From sstubbs at shout.net Mon May 1 00:05:04 2006 From: sstubbs at shout.net (The Other) Date: Mon May 1 00:05:50 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Edirol UM-2EX USB Midi Interface Message-ID: <200604302305.04539.sstubbs@shout.net> Hello All, I currently have Debian Sarge and DeMuDi 1.3x systems installed, and am awaiting SuSE 10.1RC3. How is this device with ALSA and these versions of Linux? Will the standard USB SND module pick the Edirol up without problems? Thank you, Stephen. From joelz at pobox.com Mon May 1 02:31:18 2006 From: joelz at pobox.com (Joel Roth) Date: Mon May 1 02:25:48 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [ANN] Ecmd 0.82 - now JACK'able Message-ID: <20060501063118.GA12940@sprite> Basic I/O using the Jack server. Click the JACK button at the end of the outputs list for chainsetups to be adjusted accordingly. Some fixes to the muting function. http://ecmdr.infogami.com -- Joel Roth From BJaY at safe-mail.net Mon May 1 05:03:57 2006 From: BJaY at safe-mail.net (BJaY) Date: Mon May 1 05:03:59 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Mastering without mastering In-Reply-To: <44554D97.4010700@gmail.com> Message-ID: I don't think I explained it very well. The idea is to have no mastering (or minimal mastering - after this process) but to create a balanced mix by changing the arrangement. Each track is fed into the program on a separate channel, and analysed for envelope and spectral characteristics. A comparison is then made to instruments in the Prot?g? database to find ones with spectral characteristics that when combined will create a more balanced (or just different) mix. People often try many different patches for there recorded midi material during mixing and this is part of the creative process - seeing what fits. This would be an extension of that, with the program making multiple suggestions as to what it thinks might sound good. It would also very likely discover arrangements that would not occur to the user (maybe because they usually work in a particular genre). I get the feeling that my first post was interpreted as an automated mastering solution and replies were made with that interpretation. If this isn't a new idea could anyone point me to info on previous attempts. The 'magic button' also has validity in my opinion because it is potentially a source of inspiration (which in my experience is a fickle beast). On numerous occasions I've taken home a stomp box and been inspired by it's sound, same here - it offers creative possibilities which can be adopted or rejected as the artist desires. Thanks very much for the pointers to the jamin presets, I'm off to try them out. -----Original Message----- From: linux-audio-user-bounces@music.columbia.edu [mailto:linux-audio-user-bounces@music.columbia.edu]On Behalf Of Carlos Pino Sent: 01 May 2006 00:52 To: A list for linux audio users Subject: Re: [linux-audio-user] Mastering without mastering Patrick Shirkey wrote: > T-rex has a bunch of presets but most people decide that they want to > tweak the sound anyway. > > I can't recall if Jamin has any presets available. > > Cheers. > > > Hi ,you could check this: http://www.musicaeeducacao.mus.br/Linux/JaminPresetsGilbertoABorges.tar.gz Saludos. --Carlos. From t_w_ at freenet.de Mon May 1 05:12:40 2006 From: t_w_ at freenet.de (Thorsten Wilms) Date: Mon May 1 05:12:47 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Progress In-Reply-To: <20060501012249.0a08cefd@office> References: <20060501012249.0a08cefd@office> Message-ID: <20060501091239.GA7357@charly.SWORD> On Mon, May 01, 2006 at 01:22:49AM +0100, Folderol wrote: > Awakening The Avenger has a drum track, although I really am not very > happy with it. Some of the instruments have also been re-balanced > slightly. I realy dig Awakening the Avenger, except for the drums, which sound like you have to learn/practice drum programming a lot ;) I'm vaguely reminded of the Alan Parson Projects "Hyper Gamma Spaces" and "Lucifer", but that might be because I have been listening to them frequently these days ;) First, this GM drumkit is no good. You need sounds with some depth and style. One of Hydrogen's kits should do, if your hardware hasn't something better to offer. Then you need breaks and fills in places, ghostnotes (barely hearable hits inbetween) ... think of how a real drummer keeps being busy. >From "traditional" drumming over big beat to breakbeats I could imagine everything, though. Cheers, Thorsten Wilms From eun.sung at no-log.org Mon May 1 05:53:57 2006 From: eun.sung at no-log.org (eun.sung@no-log.org) Date: Mon May 1 05:54:06 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] evolution uc-16 Message-ID: <57843.AQACVQlWDHk=.1146477237.squirrel@webmail.no-log.org> hi list i try to use an evolution uc-16 midi/usb controller. using the snd-usb-audio module makes my system recognize my box but as i connect its midi output to any appz midi input i can't sned any midi message. i use the alsa drivers compiled as kernel modules. could it be the reason that it can't work? i use Advanced Linux Sound Architecture Driver Version 1.0.10rc3 compiled as 2.6.15.5 kernel modules if anyone could help me thank you greetings From reakinator at gmail.com Mon May 1 06:08:40 2006 From: reakinator at gmail.com (Rich E) Date: Mon May 1 06:08:48 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] rme hdsp latency and irq settings Message-ID: I've been running a RME hdsp multiface2 with pci on the PlanetCCRMA low latency kernel for a couple months now, and while it runs nice, I can't get the latency in Pd below about 20ms. If I set anything lower, there are dropouts. I've messed around with the Pd settings a bit, but I haven't touched any system settings because I'm confused by the stats of my soundcard. lspci -v tells me the hdsp card is on irq 187 and it has 255ms latency. According to all the documentation I have seen (which is all at least a couple years old, most the time around 2000), neither of these numbers should be possible. I think the low latency kernel, with "realtime preemption patch by Ingo Molnar", is messing with these, but I really don't know. Does anyone know anything about what the hdsp's irq and latency settings should be on a realtime linux system? Thanks for all help, Richie From mista.tapas at gmx.net Mon May 1 07:36:18 2006 From: mista.tapas at gmx.net (Florian Paul Schmidt) Date: Mon May 1 07:36:44 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] rme hdsp latency and irq settings In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20060501133618.09eda677@mango.fruits> On Mon, 1 May 2006 03:08:40 -0700 "Rich E" wrote: > I've been running a RME hdsp multiface2 with pci on the PlanetCCRMA > low latency kernel for a couple months now, and while it runs nice, I > can't get the latency in Pd below about 20ms. If I set anything > lower, there are dropouts. I've messed around with the Pd settings a > bit, but I haven't touched any system settings because I'm confused by > the stats of my soundcard. lspci -v tells me the hdsp card is on irq > 187 and it has 255ms latency. According to all the documentation I > have seen (which is all at least a couple years old, most the time > around 2000), neither of these numbers should be possible. I think > the low latency kernel, with "realtime preemption patch by Ingo > Molnar", is messing with these, but I really don't know. > > Does anyone know anything about what the hdsp's irq and latency > settings should be on a realtime linux system? Forget what lspci tells you about latency. It's not a millisecond number. It should actually not interest you in any way. Anyways, i suppose you use a system with a local APIC. That explains the high interrupt numbers. Contrary to the previous XT-PIC older systems had, and which assigned irq numbers in the range of 0-15 [with some oddnesses], the local APIC uses a very different scheme. The old XT-PIC scheme was severely limited due to the small number of irq's available for devices. Anyways, you might want to read around on the webpage in my signature. It gives some clues on how to setup a system with a -rt kernel. To inspect your priority setup i'd recommend htop which can sort for priority. Regards, Flo P.S.: I don't know how well jack'ified Pd is. I never tried it. Maybe it simply sucks ;) Do you use it with jack at all? If you do run it with the ALSA backend, does it have a way to set its priority? -- Palimm Palimm! http://tapas.affenbande.org From b0ef at esben-stien.name Mon May 1 10:29:04 2006 From: b0ef at esben-stien.name (Esben Stien) Date: Mon May 1 08:30:56 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] rme hdsp latency and irq settings In-Reply-To: (Rich E.'s message of "Mon, 1 May 2006 03:08:40 -0700") References: Message-ID: <871wvdq0nj.fsf@esben-stien.name> "Rich E" writes: > running a RME hdsp multiface2 Can you try without the mingo patch? -- Esben Stien is b0ef@e s a http://www. s t n m irc://irc. b - i . e/%23contact [sip|iax]: e e jid:b0ef@ n n From phil at rephil.org Mon May 1 09:00:36 2006 From: phil at rephil.org (Phil Mendelsohn) Date: Mon May 1 09:00:47 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Mastering without mastering In-Reply-To: <20060501113647.29DA013DD1AC@music.columbia.edu> References: <20060501113647.29DA013DD1AC@music.columbia.edu> Message-ID: <63340.64.201.190.96.1146488436.squirrel@webmail.non-prophet.org> > Message: 5 > I don't think I explained it very well. The idea is to have no mastering > (or > minimal mastering - after this process) but to create a balanced mix by > changing the arrangement. Well, I hope I didn't misunderstand what you're after, but thinking about it from other angles, my answer doesn't change. I wish it had been that easy when I had to do arranging courses! And as a mastering engineer, I would point out that you haven't considered that one of the big things we do is to match *different* songs. Mastering is like proofreading, if you're assembling an album (which people don't necessarily do as much in these days of .ogg and .mp3). But it's always a good idea to separate writing (mixing) from editing and proofreading (mastering.) As you say, though, all's fair when looking for inspiration! :) Cheers, Phil M -- Dept. of Mathematics, 342 Machray Hall U. of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada R3T 2N2 Office: 446 Machray Hall, 204-474-6470 http://www.rephil.org/ phil at rephil dot org From atte.jensen at gmail.com Mon May 1 10:19:16 2006 From: atte.jensen at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Atte_Andr=E9_Jensen?=) Date: Mon May 1 10:19:31 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] evolution uc-16 In-Reply-To: <57843.AQACVQlWDHk=.1146477237.squirrel@webmail.no-log.org> References: <57843.AQACVQlWDHk=.1146477237.squirrel@webmail.no-log.org> Message-ID: <445618E4.9060502@gmail.com> eun.sung@no-log.org wrote: > i use the alsa drivers compiled as kernel modules. could it be the reason > that it can't work? I think you really need to compile all alsa stuff as modules for alsa to work properly/at all. -- peace, love & harmony Atte http://www.atte.dk | quartet: http://www.anagrammer.dk http://www.atte.dk/gps | compositions: http://www.atte.dk/compositions From fbar at footils.org Mon May 1 11:25:29 2006 From: fbar at footils.org (Frank Barknecht) Date: Mon May 1 11:25:37 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Video/Audio editor for Ogg-Theora files Message-ID: <20060501152529.GI8279@fliwatut.scifi> Hallo, I'd like to add properly synced sound to one of the LAC2006 recordings (mine, of course). The video files are in Ogg-Theroa, so basically I'm interested in a video editor that can open these videos and allows importing an aiff/wave soundtrack to it. I briefly tried Kino, but it seems it cannot open theora files. Are there some other editors that can open theora? Or maybe any converter tools? I guess transcode can convert to anything, but transcode is a little bit over my head, so I could need a help with that, too. Ciao -- Frank Barknecht _ ______footils.org_ __goto10.org__ From markus at herhoffer.net Mon May 1 12:09:39 2006 From: markus at herhoffer.net (Markus Herhoffer) Date: Mon May 1 12:10:16 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Video/Audio editor for Ogg-Theora files In-Reply-To: <20060501152529.GI8279@fliwatut.scifi> References: <20060501152529.GI8279@fliwatut.scifi> Message-ID: <445632C3.2040509@herhoffer.net> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 This should work to convert your compressed theora to raw avi/pcm: # mencoder in.ogg -oac pcm -ovc raw -o out.avi pcm und raw are the uncommpressed formats. You can use something different if you want small file sizes. # mencoder -ovc help tells you more about the available codecs. Choose one that you can open with Kino. Kino is the best choice for easy video editing. Markus Frank Barknecht wrote: > Hallo, > > I'd like to add properly synced sound to one of the LAC2006 recordings > (mine, of course). The video files are in Ogg-Theroa, so basically I'm > interested in a video editor that can open these videos and allows > importing an aiff/wave soundtrack to it. I briefly tried Kino, but it > seems it cannot open theora files. Are there some other editors that > can open theora? Or maybe any converter tools? I guess transcode can > convert to anything, but transcode is a little bit over my head, so I > could need a help with that, too. > > Ciao -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFEVjLDuXdsp50C0vMRAjYqAJ4tGr9J2ZJ2fT8OWHIWLli+OAZxYQCgkf27 My2ZO4Vog/6zQoBJphF19sM= =jOBH -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From brad at sonaural.com Mon May 1 12:11:49 2006 From: brad at sonaural.com (Brad Fuller) Date: Mon May 1 12:12:50 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Video/Audio editor for Ogg-Theora files In-Reply-To: <20060501152529.GI8279@fliwatut.scifi> References: <20060501152529.GI8279@fliwatut.scifi> Message-ID: <44563345.1040505@sonaural.com> Frank Barknecht wrote: > Hallo, > > I'd like to add properly synced sound to one of the LAC2006 recordings > (mine, of course). The video files are in Ogg-Theroa, so basically I'm > interested in a video editor that can open these videos and allows > importing an aiff/wave soundtrack to it. I briefly tried Kino, but it > seems it cannot open theora files. Are there some other editors that > can open theora? Or maybe any converter tools? I guess transcode can > convert to anything, but transcode is a little bit over my head, so I > could need a help with that, too. > > Ciao > I don't have an answer for you, but was wondering if the videos of the presentations will be available? Didn't see them on the site. brad From ce at christeck.de Mon May 1 12:16:44 2006 From: ce at christeck.de (Christoph Eckert) Date: Mon May 1 12:15:26 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] LAC2006 Photos Message-ID: <200605011816.44731.ce@christeck.de> Hi all, I just uploaded some Photos taken during LAC 2006. It one huge tgz archive, no web gallery available. It will be up in 15 minutes: http://christeck.de/stuff/LAC2006.tar.gz To save bandwidth, I scaled them down a bit. If anyone is interested in a particular high resolution image, don't hesitate to send me an e-mail. Any further resources? Best regards ce From fbar at footils.org Mon May 1 12:34:23 2006 From: fbar at footils.org (Frank Barknecht) Date: Mon May 1 12:34:24 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Video/Audio editor for Ogg-Theora files In-Reply-To: <445632C3.2040509@herhoffer.net> References: <20060501152529.GI8279@fliwatut.scifi> <445632C3.2040509@herhoffer.net> Message-ID: <20060501163423.GL8279@fliwatut.scifi> Hallo, Markus Herhoffer hat gesagt: // Markus Herhoffer wrote: > This should work to convert your compressed theora to raw avi/pcm: > > # mencoder in.ogg -oac pcm -ovc raw -o out.avi > > pcm und raw are the uncommpressed formats. You can use something > different if you want small file sizes. > > # mencoder -ovc help > > tells you more about the available codecs. Choose one that you can open > with Kino. Kino is the best choice for easy video editing. Ah, thanks for this hint. I managed to convert the file to a format kino can use. I used "-ovc libdv" with rescaling to PAL or NTSC, I'll maybe try raw as well later. Now I'll only need to learn how to work with Kino. Ciao -- Frank Barknecht _ ______footils.org_ __goto10.org__ From fbar at footils.org Mon May 1 12:35:32 2006 From: fbar at footils.org (Frank Barknecht) Date: Mon May 1 12:35:37 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Video/Audio editor for Ogg-Theora files In-Reply-To: <44563345.1040505@sonaural.com> References: <20060501152529.GI8279@fliwatut.scifi> <44563345.1040505@sonaural.com> Message-ID: <20060501163532.GM8279@fliwatut.scifi> Hallo, Brad Fuller hat gesagt: // Brad Fuller wrote: > I don't have an answer for you, but was wondering if the videos of the > presentations will be available? Didn't see them on the site. Try here: http://lad.linuxaudio.org/contrib/ and here: http://lac.zkm.de/2006/papers/ Ciao -- Frank Barknecht _ ______footils.org_ __goto10.org__ From cave.dnb at tiscali.fr Mon May 1 15:50:26 2006 From: cave.dnb at tiscali.fr (Nigel Henry) Date: Mon May 1 15:50:40 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Midi problems with Yamaha PSR-273 In-Reply-To: <44550E09.4040501@kolumbus.fi> References: <444F906C.3040007@kolumbus.fi> <4454B0EA.4020204@kabelfoon.net> <44550E09.4040501@kolumbus.fi> Message-ID: <200605012150.26571.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> On Sunday 30 April 2006 21:20, Esa Linna wrote: > Bert Visser kirjoitti: > > It looks very much like there is no communication between the PSR and > > the computer. Nigel mentioned the module snd-mpu401; this may be the > > solution as on my system this one is loaded and everything is working. > > This is strange: > > I tried with 2.6.14-0.mm.4mdk kernel and it returned "FATAL: no module > found" > after "modprobe snd-mpu401" > > Then I tried with other kernel 2.6.14-0.mm.7mdk and it returned: > "FATAL: Error inserting snd-mpu401 > (/lib/modules/2.6.14-0.mm.7mdk/kernel/sound/drivers/mpu401/snd-mpu401.ko.gz >): No such device" Hi Esa. I don't know how you are getting on with this problem. snd-mpu401 should show up in, /lib/modules/your_kernel/sound/drivers/mpu401, if it is there. I read there were some problems with snd-usb-audio in 2.6.14, and the basic version of 2.6.15. In later revisions of 2.6.15 this problem is fixed. Whether midi was involved I don't know, but it might be worth trying an earlier version than 2.6.14, or if it is available for you, one of the later revisions of 2.6.15. While your at it, see if you can modprobe snd-usb-audio with your 2.6.14 kernel. It would be interesting to know if it works. Nigel. From folderol at ukfsn.org Mon May 1 16:19:14 2006 From: folderol at ukfsn.org (Folderol) Date: Mon May 1 16:18:48 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Progress In-Reply-To: <20060501091239.GA7357@charly.SWORD> References: <20060501012249.0a08cefd@office> <20060501091239.GA7357@charly.SWORD> Message-ID: <20060501211914.6f0a2711@office> On Mon, 1 May 2006 11:12:40 +0200 Thorsten Wilms wrote: > On Mon, May 01, 2006 at 01:22:49AM +0100, Folderol wrote: > > > Awakening The Avenger has a drum track, although I really am not very > > happy with it. Some of the instruments have also been re-balanced > > slightly. > > I realy dig Awakening the Avenger, except for the drums, which > sound like you have to learn/practice drum programming a lot ;) > > I'm vaguely reminded of the Alan Parson Projects "Hyper Gamma Spaces" > and "Lucifer", but that might be because I have been listening to them > frequently these days ;) > > First, this GM drumkit is no good. You need sounds with some depth and > style. One of Hydrogen's kits should do, if your hardware hasn't something > better to offer. > > Then you need breaks and fills in places, ghostnotes (barely hearable > hits inbetween) ... think of how a real drummer keeps being busy. > >From "traditional" drumming over big beat to breakbeats I could imagine > everything, though. > > > Cheers, > Thorsten Wilms I am painfully aware than my drum skills are vanishingly above zero :( It is a real struggle for me to achieve anything at all with this. I seem to have a complete musical deaf spot when it comes to percussion and have to do a lot of work for many hours to get anything even remotely presentable. The result is it always tends to sound rather laboured. Put a keyboard in front of me and I'll really enjoy myself, guitar to a lesser degree as well, and even some wind instruments, but drums... Disaster! -- F From folderol at ukfsn.org Mon May 1 16:33:25 2006 From: folderol at ukfsn.org (Folderol) Date: Mon May 1 16:33:01 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Progress In-Reply-To: <44555D72.3080400@boosthardware.com> References: <20060501012249.0a08cefd@office> <44555D72.3080400@boosthardware.com> Message-ID: <20060501213325.73c6085e@office> On Mon, 01 May 2006 07:59:30 +0700 Patrick Shirkey wrote: > Folderol wrote: > > Oh rats! > > Is it REALLY 1:20am? > > > > You're not even trying ;) Don't come back until you've been online for > 24 hours and your eyes are bleeding from the monitor burn ;-] Huh! I did all that years ago with electronics, when transistors (aka wickless wonders) were new and exciting. Spent one Saturday continuous through to Sunday night rebuilding a local Rock group's ONLY amplifier as they had an engagement (didn't call them gigs in those days) the following Monday. Their roadie was keeping me supplied with food, drink and (ahem) stimulant, while the lead guitarist was having kittens in my Mum's lounge :) -- F From renatoftato at yahoo.com Mon May 1 17:12:26 2006 From: renatoftato at yahoo.com (Renato Fabbri) Date: Mon May 1 17:12:33 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Problems installing sound apps on Kanotix In-Reply-To: <20060501213325.73c6085e@office> Message-ID: <20060501211226.29036.qmail@web52307.mail.yahoo.com> Hi, I am having some problems making my kanotix a DAW. Help? Below are some specifications. thanks, ref Hardware: P4 3.6 HT, 1G Ram, M-audio Delta 66. It is a Dell computer, a GX280. Problems: 1- Kmenu->Control Center->Sound & Multimedia->Sound System There is a jack option there, but, when it is started it, displays a window: "Sound server informational message: Error while initializing the sound driver: Couldn´t connect to jackd The sound server will continue using the null output device" Alsa starts ok. Autodetect is ok too. 2-Making a /home/ref/jack-audio-connection-kit and ./configure builds with no alsa support and with oss support. (with alsa loaded or oss turned loaded). 3-When Pd 0.38.4-extended is installed, the pd command issues: "pd: error while loading shared libraries: libjack0.80.0.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory". Even wit the oss jack installed (wich doen´t run). 4- There is no "alsa" or "alsasound" file to do the usual: ..path/alsa stop ..path/alsa start (commonly at /etc/rc.d/init.d/alsa) There is, though, a /etc/init.d/alsa that accepts "unload, reload, resolve" commands. Are they a like? 5- While borwsing menus like Kmenu, we hear sound hickups. (thanks again) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From atte.jensen at gmail.com Mon May 1 17:40:23 2006 From: atte.jensen at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-15?Q?Atte_Andr=E9_Jensen?=) Date: Mon May 1 17:40:27 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] LAC2006 Photos In-Reply-To: <200605011816.44731.ce@christeck.de> References: <200605011816.44731.ce@christeck.de> Message-ID: <44568047.4050201@gmail.com> Christoph Eckert wrote: > I just uploaded some Photos taken during LAC 2006. It one huge tgz > archive, no web gallery available. It will be up in 15 minutes: I wanted so badly to be there. This makes it even worse! -- peace, love & harmony Atte http://www.atte.dk | quartet: http://www.anagrammer.dk http://www.atte.dk/gps | compositions: http://www.atte.dk/compositions From christhemonkey at gmail.com Mon May 1 17:40:57 2006 From: christhemonkey at gmail.com (chris beagles) Date: Mon May 1 17:41:35 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] A song Message-ID: <79eea87e0605011440w63322b16v165b979f5b67a9c2@mail.gmail.com> Hello, thought i would just share what i have been up to for the past couple of days, Have been doing some recording with one of my friends (all open sourcey type stuff) you can have a listen at: http://www.myspace.com/markdnichols Hope you enjoy! Chris (I would love to say this is GPL or the like, but it isnt my song to release under a license! sorry, but you can still have a listen, also it is nowhere near done!) From ce at christeck.de Mon May 1 17:47:30 2006 From: ce at christeck.de (Christoph Eckert) Date: Mon May 1 17:46:07 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] LAC2006 Photos In-Reply-To: <44568047.4050201@gmail.com> References: <200605011816.44731.ce@christeck.de> <44568047.4050201@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200605012347.31235.ce@christeck.de> Hi Atte, > > I wanted so badly to be there. This makes it even worse! > sorry, this was not my intention :-) . Maybe next year? Best regards ce From atte.jensen at gmail.com Mon May 1 17:49:23 2006 From: atte.jensen at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-15?Q?Atte_Andr=E9_Jensen?=) Date: Mon May 1 17:49:24 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] LAC2006 Photos In-Reply-To: <200605012347.31235.ce@christeck.de> References: <200605011816.44731.ce@christeck.de> <44568047.4050201@gmail.com> <200605012347.31235.ce@christeck.de> Message-ID: <44568263.1090904@gmail.com> Christoph Eckert wrote: > Maybe next year? You bet! -- peace, love & harmony Atte http://www.atte.dk | quartet: http://www.anagrammer.dk http://www.atte.dk/gps | compositions: http://www.atte.dk/compositions From ce at christeck.de Mon May 1 18:22:25 2006 From: ce at christeck.de (Christoph Eckert) Date: Mon May 1 18:20:56 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] LAC2006 Photos In-Reply-To: <44568263.1090904@gmail.com> References: <200605011816.44731.ce@christeck.de> <200605012347.31235.ce@christeck.de> <44568263.1090904@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200605020022.25735.ce@christeck.de> > > Maybe next year? > > You bet! cu in Berlin then :) . Best regards ce From lau at ballen.fastmail.fm Mon May 1 20:06:08 2006 From: lau at ballen.fastmail.fm (Bill Allen) Date: Mon May 1 20:06:17 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Edirol UM-2EX USB Midi Interface In-Reply-To: <200604302305.04539.sstubbs@shout.net> References: <200604302305.04539.sstubbs@shout.net> Message-ID: <4456A270.5050501@ballen.fastmail.fm> The Other wrote: > Hello All, > > I currently have Debian Sarge and DeMuDi 1.3x systems installed, and > am awaiting SuSE 10.1RC3. > > How is this device with ALSA and these versions of Linux? Will the > standard USB SND module pick the Edirol up without problems? > > Thank you, > Stephen. > I have the Edirol UM-2 and it worked without any problem whatsoever. Bill From loki.davison at gmail.com Mon May 1 21:16:49 2006 From: loki.davison at gmail.com (Loki Davison) Date: Mon May 1 21:16:55 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Help creating digital sound production box In-Reply-To: <44550B71.6080805@kolumbus.fi> References: <4454C0A1.9070605@ctcministries.org> <44550B71.6080805@kolumbus.fi> Message-ID: On 5/1/06, Esa Linna wrote: > Ronald Vazquez kirjoitti: > > What software is there that would be comparable to Windows' Sonar? > - Ardour > - Wired seems nice, but maybe not comparable to Sonar yet. > http://bloodshed.net/wired/ > Or ever, last release December 8th 2004 : Wired 0.11 released mmm looks somewhat dead. Loki From drunkenbird at gmail.com Mon May 1 21:29:06 2006 From: drunkenbird at gmail.com (grae) Date: Mon May 1 21:29:14 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Help creating digital sound production box In-Reply-To: References: <4454C0A1.9070605@ctcministries.org> <44550B71.6080805@kolumbus.fi> Message-ID: <73802df70605011829x155741d4y735f296f51e9345c@mail.gmail.com> It wouldn't be the first OSS site that wasn't properly maintained. I don't know much about Wired but it appears their sourceforge page is a little more current. :) version 0.2.1 as of april 10, 2006 appears to be the latest http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=120022 On 5/1/06, Loki Davison wrote: > On 5/1/06, Esa Linna wrote: > > Ronald Vazquez kirjoitti: > > > What software is there that would be comparable to Windows' Sonar? > > - Ardour > > - Wired seems nice, but maybe not comparable to Sonar yet. > > http://bloodshed.net/wired/ > > > > Or ever, last release > > December 8th 2004 : Wired 0.11 released > > mmm looks somewhat dead. > > Loki > From james at dis-dot-dat.net Tue May 2 02:42:38 2006 From: james at dis-dot-dat.net (james@dis-dot-dat.net) Date: Tue May 2 02:41:48 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] A song In-Reply-To: <79eea87e0605011440w63322b16v165b979f5b67a9c2@mail.gmail.com> References: <79eea87e0605011440w63322b16v165b979f5b67a9c2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20060502064238.GH29248@fitz.Belkin> On Mon, 01 May, 2006 at 10:40PM +0100, chris beagles spake thus: > Hello, > > thought i would just share what i have been up to for the past couple of > days, > > Have been doing some recording with one of my friends (all open > sourcey type stuff) > you can have a listen at: > http://www.myspace.com/markdnichols > > Hope you enjoy! I did! Unfortunately for you, compression (the encodey/mp3 kind) is a bugger for guitars. When you're closer to a final version, a high bitrate ogg or mp3 would be nice. Or a flac, I suppose. James > Chris > > (I would love to say this is GPL or the like, but it isnt my song to > release under a license! sorry, but you can still have a listen, also > it is nowhere near done!) Well, just put pressure on the other people with claims to copyright :) From christhemonkey at gmail.com Tue May 2 04:04:13 2006 From: christhemonkey at gmail.com (chris beagles) Date: Tue May 2 04:04:19 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] A song In-Reply-To: <20060502064238.GH29248@fitz.Belkin> References: <79eea87e0605011440w63322b16v165b979f5b67a9c2@mail.gmail.com> <20060502064238.GH29248@fitz.Belkin> Message-ID: <79eea87e0605020104r47e622d0o4967e1a37b030317@mail.gmail.com> On 5/2/06, james@dis-dot-dat.net wrote: > On Mon, 01 May, 2006 at 10:40PM +0100, chris beagles spake thus: > > Hello, > > > > thought i would just share what i have been up to for the past couple of > > days, > > > > Have been doing some recording with one of my friends (all open > > sourcey type stuff) > > you can have a listen at: > > http://www.myspace.com/markdnichols > > > > Hope you enjoy! > > I did! Unfortunately for you, compression (the encodey/mp3 kind) is a > bugger for guitars. > Glad you enjoyed it! > When you're closer to a final version, a high bitrate ogg or mp3 would > be nice. Or a flac, I suppose. I'll see what i can do... Though i have a feeling its just me being a crap soundman. > > James > > > Chris > > > > (I would love to say this is GPL or the like, but it isnt my song to > > release under a license! sorry, but you can still have a listen, also > > it is nowhere near done!) > > Well, just put pressure on the other people with claims to copyright :) > Hehehe il give it a go Chris From clemens at ladisch.de Tue May 2 04:38:43 2006 From: clemens at ladisch.de (Clemens Ladisch) Date: Tue May 2 04:39:06 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Edirol UM-2EX USB Midi Interface In-Reply-To: <200604302305.04539.sstubbs@shout.net> References: <200604302305.04539.sstubbs@shout.net> Message-ID: <20060502083843.GB18807@turing.informatik.uni-halle.de> The Other wrote: > Will the standard USB SND module pick the Edirol up without problems? There is no module named "SND", but it will work in both modes. HTH Clemens From clemens at ladisch.de Tue May 2 04:40:59 2006 From: clemens at ladisch.de (Clemens Ladisch) Date: Tue May 2 04:42:14 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] evolution uc-16 In-Reply-To: <57843.AQACVQlWDHk=.1146477237.squirrel@webmail.no-log.org> References: <57843.AQACVQlWDHk=.1146477237.squirrel@webmail.no-log.org> Message-ID: <20060502084059.GC18807@turing.informatik.uni-halle.de> eun.sung@no-log.org wrote: > i try to use an evolution uc-16 midi/usb controller. > using the snd-usb-audio module makes my system recognize my box but as i > connect its midi output to any appz midi input i can't sned any midi > message. What are the contents of /proc/asound/cards and the output of "amidi -l"? > i use the alsa drivers compiled as kernel modules. could it be the reason > that it can't work? This should not make any difference. Regards, Clemens From james at dis-dot-dat.net Tue May 2 04:50:53 2006 From: james at dis-dot-dat.net (james@dis-dot-dat.net) Date: Tue May 2 04:50:01 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] A song In-Reply-To: <79eea87e0605020104r47e622d0o4967e1a37b030317@mail.gmail.com> References: <79eea87e0605011440w63322b16v165b979f5b67a9c2@mail.gmail.com> <20060502064238.GH29248@fitz.Belkin> <79eea87e0605020104r47e622d0o4967e1a37b030317@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20060502085053.GI29248@fitz.Belkin> On Tue, 02 May, 2006 at 09:04AM +0100, chris beagles spake thus: > On 5/2/06, james@dis-dot-dat.net wrote: > >On Mon, 01 May, 2006 at 10:40PM +0100, chris beagles spake thus: > >> Hello, > >> > >> thought i would just share what i have been up to for the past couple of > >> days, > >> > >> Have been doing some recording with one of my friends (all open > >> sourcey type stuff) > >> you can have a listen at: > >> http://www.myspace.com/markdnichols > >> > >> Hope you enjoy! > > > >I did! Unfortunately for you, compression (the encodey/mp3 kind) is a > >bugger for guitars. > > > Glad you enjoyed it! > > >When you're closer to a final version, a high bitrate ogg or mp3 would > >be nice. Or a flac, I suppose. > > I'll see what i can do... > Though i have a feeling its just me being a crap soundman. No no! It's the myspace player's compression. A 192kbps (lame --preset 192) mp3 or a high quality ogg (oggenc -q 9) will be fine for normal listening. People with nice hi-fis might appreciate higher bitrates or flac, but you can worry about that later. If you're using the myspace player because you don't have hosting, give me a shout and I can host a track or two for you. James > > > >James > > > >> Chris > >> > >> (I would love to say this is GPL or the like, but it isnt my song to > >> release under a license! sorry, but you can still have a listen, also > >> it is nowhere near done!) > > > >Well, just put pressure on the other people with claims to copyright :) > > > Hehehe il give it a go > > Chris > From clemens at ladisch.de Tue May 2 04:49:38 2006 From: clemens at ladisch.de (Clemens Ladisch) Date: Tue May 2 04:50:51 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Midi problems with Yamaha PSR-273 In-Reply-To: <200604301359.40638.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> References: <444F906C.3040007@kolumbus.fi> <44548C6C.7000500@kolumbus.fi> <44548F22.8040407@kolumbus.fi> <200604301359.40638.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> Message-ID: <20060502084938.GD18807@turing.informatik.uni-halle.de> Nigel Henry wrote: > Hi Esa. /sbin/lspci for my Audigy2 soundblaster shows amongst other lines, one > for the "gameport" on the card, as below. > Input device controller: Creative Labs SB Audigy Midi/Game port (rev 04). > and my lsmod shows 2 lines referring to this. > emu10k1_gp 3584 0 > gameport 4608 emu10k1_gp > > Neither of those shows up on your lsmod, so I presume that your card does not > have a gameport. These modules are for joysticks and have nothing to do with the MIDI pins of the gameport. > If you have a midi in connection, there is another module snd-mpu401. I don't > have a midi in, but this may be the module that needs to be loaded. The MPU-401 modules are not needed, the emu10k1 driver hat its own code for handling MIDI. Regards, Clemens From t_w_ at freenet.de Tue May 2 05:05:21 2006 From: t_w_ at freenet.de (Thorsten Wilms) Date: Tue May 2 05:05:29 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Progress In-Reply-To: <20060501211914.6f0a2711@office> References: <20060501012249.0a08cefd@office> <20060501091239.GA7357@charly.SWORD> <20060501211914.6f0a2711@office> Message-ID: <20060502090521.GA8979@charly.SWORD> On Mon, May 01, 2006 at 09:19:14PM +0100, Folderol wrote: > > It is a real struggle for me to achieve anything at all with this. I > seem to have a complete musical deaf spot when it comes to percussion > and have to do a lot of work for many hours to get anything even > remotely presentable. The result is it always tends to sound rather > laboured. Well, if you want to do nice drums, you have to practice. Starting with a drum pattern is easier than adding it later on. Using chromatic sounds in a very groove oriented way, that is playing them almost like percussion, might help you. But otherwise ... don't do it if it's all work and no fun. You managed to make some very nice drum-less tracks ;) Best, Thorsten Wilms From capocasa at gmx.net Tue May 2 07:37:31 2006 From: capocasa at gmx.net (Carlo Capocasa) Date: Tue May 2 07:38:11 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Video/Audio editor for Ogg-Theora files In-Reply-To: <20060501152529.GI8279@fliwatut.scifi> References: <20060501152529.GI8279@fliwatut.scifi> Message-ID: Cinelerra edits theora and I think it's a great editor... In case you're using debian you can convert ('alien') from the Fedora package for least-possible-hassle installation. Carlo Frank Barknecht schrieb: > Hallo, > > I'd like to add properly synced sound to one of the LAC2006 recordings > (mine, of course). The video files are in Ogg-Theroa, so basically I'm > interested in a video editor that can open these videos and allows > importing an aiff/wave soundtrack to it. I briefly tried Kino, but it > seems it cannot open theora files. Are there some other editors that > can open theora? Or maybe any converter tools? I guess transcode can > convert to anything, but transcode is a little bit over my head, so I > could need a help with that, too. > > Ciao From sstubbs at shout.net Tue May 2 08:32:54 2006 From: sstubbs at shout.net (The Other) Date: Tue May 2 08:33:52 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Edirol UM-2EX USB Midi Interface In-Reply-To: <200604302305.04539.sstubbs@shout.net> References: <200604302305.04539.sstubbs@shout.net> Message-ID: <200605020732.54409.sstubbs@shout.net> On Sunday 30 April 2006 11:05 pm, The Other wrote: > How is this device with ALSA and these versions of Linux? Will the > standard USB SND module pick the Edirol up without problems? I have the Edirol UM-2 and it worked without any problem whatsoever. Bill There is no module named "SND", but it will work in both modes. Clemens Thank you Bill, Clemens. I thought I'd read the Edirol's worked without problems, but I couldn't find the reference. Your replies are much appreciated. Regards, Stephen. From sstubbs at shout.net Tue May 2 08:59:51 2006 From: sstubbs at shout.net (The Other) Date: Tue May 2 09:00:49 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Progress In-Reply-To: <20060501211914.6f0a2711@office> References: <20060501012249.0a08cefd@office> <20060501091239.GA7357@charly.SWORD> <20060501211914.6f0a2711@office> Message-ID: <200605020759.51444.sstubbs@shout.net> On Monday 01 May 2006 03:19 pm, Folderol wrote: > It is a real struggle for me to achieve anything at all with this. > I seem to have a complete musical deaf spot when it comes to > percussion and have to do a lot of work for many hours to get > anything even remotely presentable. The result is it always tends > to sound rather laboured. Why do you have to have a percussion track? Leave it out if you like, I do. I prefer ballads and melodies. I'm not a dancer. So percussion has no appeal for me. Focus on where your natural talents and interests lie and leave the rest to someone else. That's what corraborations are for! HTH Stephen. From pgclarke at beeb.net Tue May 2 10:41:38 2006 From: pgclarke at beeb.net (Peter Clarke) Date: Tue May 2 10:39:53 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] USB audio interface - Terratec Phase26 any good? Message-ID: <200605022241.38639.pgclarke@beeb.net> Dear all, In the hope of getting my Novation Speedio USB audio interface to work properly, I've updated my Gentoo box to kernel 2.6.16, ALSA 1.0.11... but it still sounds like underwater gargling. So, it's time to give up on this and get me a USB audio interface that WILL work. It looks like the Terratec Phase26 would do what I want quite nicely (except for those nasty RCA connectors - too unreliable for my liking). Has anyone used this successfully? If that's not suitable, maybe I'll go for an Edirol UA-25, which is often highly praised on this list. Unfortunately it lacks a coax digital input, which would be helpful (cos my hardware synth has a coax digital output). Thanks for any comments, Peter C From kouhia at nic.funet.fi Tue May 2 11:12:41 2006 From: kouhia at nic.funet.fi (Juhana Sadeharju) Date: Tue May 2 11:14:13 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: distorting Linuxsampler Message-ID: >From: Paul Davis > >this assumption that inclusion in a distro is the only way to get >software to linux users needs careful examination. No need to examine anything. Take a look at Windows: it does not include a single usable software. If that is what people want, I move to Mac. Also, take a look at how software are downloaded from the webpages: too much clicking, waiting, and expected user intervention. Waste of time. If it only would be Ardour, would there be no big problem. But we are talking about hundreds of programs, including the required libraries. With distributions it is a matter of a single click for thousands of programs. Summer 2002 Debian has 7 GB of source codes in 6500 program directories. The distributions could be better: because the documentation is not included, I have had to download from the original site in any case. The sites could be better: most of the time I give up and download the entire site and the entire sourceforge file folder, only because downloading N files and pages would require too much user intervention. The documentation often is not in downloadable format but distributed over tens of pages. A couple of wgets takes 15 seconds to type and I'm free for other projects. The latest program package is then easily found with the find program. Note that webbrowsers cannot provide a complete view to the site: files are hard to find and often are missed even after hours of browsing! Last, the distributions are valuable as historical archives. Many software gets old but the algorithms and technology in them may well be usable in new software. The distributions also work as reference material when coding. If software authors don't understand the usability of distributions and software archives, that is ok but they never should make it impossible for others to create the distributions and archives. Juhana -- http://music.columbia.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-graphics-dev for developers of open source graphics software From mail at jensgulden.de Tue May 2 12:24:21 2006 From: mail at jensgulden.de (Jens Gulden) Date: Tue May 2 12:23:50 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] LAC2006 Photos In-Reply-To: <200605020022.25735.ce@christeck.de> References: <200605011816.44731.ce@christeck.de> <200605012347.31235.ce@christeck.de> <44568263.1090904@gmail.com> <200605020022.25735.ce@christeck.de> Message-ID: <445787B5.4010601@jensgulden.de> Christoph Eckert schrieb: > cu in Berlin then :) . Great to read that LAC 2007 will be Berlin. Being a Berliner, this will allow me to apply what I call "inverse movement": stay where you are, and wait until they all come to you... Jens From dto at gnu.org Tue May 2 13:18:00 2006 From: dto at gnu.org (David O'Toole) Date: Tue May 2 13:18:07 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Announcing the "KarmaPod" Message-ID: Hey out there LAU-ers, I'd like to make a little announcement for a fun custom hardware box I built specially for PlanetCCRMA, PureData, and Ardour usage. I'm sharing my experiences building and configuring such machines, in the hopes that it will help create a community of people who swap tips and configuration info to help each other be the most productive (and most creative) with their Linux Audio Workstations. More details and photos at http://dto.freeshell.org/notebook/KarmaPod.html -- Dave O'Toole dto@gnu.org From christhemonkey at gmail.com Tue May 2 13:33:12 2006 From: christhemonkey at gmail.com (chris beagles) Date: Tue May 2 13:33:20 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Announcing the "KarmaPod" In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <79eea87e0605021033t61af6d41k6dedae4ec735888@mail.gmail.com> On 5/2/06, David O'Toole wrote: > > Hey out there LAU-ers, > > I'd like to make a little announcement for a fun custom hardware box I > built specially for PlanetCCRMA, PureData, and Ardour usage. > > I'm sharing my experiences building and configuring such machines, in > the hopes that it will help create a community of people who swap tips > and configuration info to help each other be the most productive (and > most creative) with their Linux Audio Workstations. > > More details and photos at http://dto.freeshell.org/notebook/KarmaPod.html Wow that is such a sweet setup! *wants one* > > -- > Dave O'Toole > dto@gnu.org > Chris From markknecht at gmail.com Tue May 2 13:51:41 2006 From: markknecht at gmail.com (Mark Knecht) Date: Tue May 2 13:51:47 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Announcing the "KarmaPod" In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5bdc1c8b0605021051o175c4719h82d6a008ffb303a2@mail.gmail.com> Life is good. Life is fun. Life is KarmaPod. Have fun and cheers, Mark On 5/2/06, David O'Toole wrote: > > Hey out there LAU-ers, > > I'd like to make a little announcement for a fun custom hardware box I > built specially for PlanetCCRMA, PureData, and Ardour usage. > > I'm sharing my experiences building and configuring such machines, in > the hopes that it will help create a community of people who swap tips > and configuration info to help each other be the most productive (and > most creative) with their Linux Audio Workstations. > > More details and photos at http://dto.freeshell.org/notebook/KarmaPod.html > > -- > Dave O'Toole > dto@gnu.org > From brad at sonaural.com Tue May 2 13:58:02 2006 From: brad at sonaural.com (Brad Fuller) Date: Tue May 2 13:59:09 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Announcing the "KarmaPod" In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <44579DAA.6000602@sonaural.com> David O'Toole wrote: > Hey out there LAU-ers, > > I'd like to make a little announcement for a fun custom hardware box I > built specially for PlanetCCRMA, PureData, and Ardour usage. > > I'm sharing my experiences building and configuring such machines, in > the hopes that it will help create a community of people who swap tips > and configuration info to help each other be the most productive (and > most creative) with their Linux Audio Workstations. > > More details and photos at http://dto.freeshell.org/notebook/KarmaPod.html > > I just scanned your page and didn't see any benchmarks on quietness and temperature. Can you elaborate on how quiet the unit is and more importantly, the temperature inside the rack and inside the PC? brad From dto at gnu.org Tue May 2 14:16:09 2006 From: dto at gnu.org (David O'Toole) Date: Tue May 2 14:16:20 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Announcing the "KarmaPod" In-Reply-To: <44579DAA.6000602@sonaural.com> (Brad Fuller's message of "Tue, 02 May 2006 10:58:02 -0700") References: <44579DAA.6000602@sonaural.com> Message-ID: Hi there, the typical ambient temperature inside the PC chassis is about 24-30 degrees Celsius. Typical CPU temp in the 40s or 50s. I've never had any overheating problems with the machine, despite it being on for months at a time in the summer. I do not have a temperature probe inside the rack but outside the PC. Because the particular rack case I have is quite open, I imagine it's usually room temperature. I don't have one of those nifty decibel meters, so I can't give distance + decibels for the machine. I consider it very quiet, when you factor in all the drives etc. It's obviously better when the fans have just been cleaned. Is there a way to get accurate decibel readings using my Delta 1010 and Pd? I'd do it and post the results. . . Brad Fuller writes: > David O'Toole wrote: >> Hey out there LAU-ers, >> >> I'd like to make a little announcement for a fun custom hardware box I >> built specially for PlanetCCRMA, PureData, and Ardour usage. >> >> I'm sharing my experiences building and configuring such machines, in >> the hopes that it will help create a community of people who swap tips >> and configuration info to help each other be the most productive (and >> most creative) with their Linux Audio Workstations. >> >> More details and photos at http://dto.freeshell.org/notebook/KarmaPod.html >> >> > I just scanned your page and didn't see any benchmarks on quietness and > temperature. Can you elaborate on how quiet the unit is and more > importantly, the temperature inside the rack and inside the PC? > > > brad > -- Dave O'Toole dto@gnu.org From zettberlin at linuxuse.de Tue May 2 15:06:53 2006 From: zettberlin at linuxuse.de (Hartmut Noack) Date: Tue May 2 14:58:05 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Announcing the "KarmaPod" In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4457ADCD.7000203@linuxuse.de> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Thank you David! Such Info is most valuable for me since i am about to build a smaller workstation dedicated to beginners - i will keep you informed how i get along :-) David O'Toole schrieb: > Hey out there LAU-ers, > > I'd like to make a little announcement for a fun custom hardware box I > built specially for PlanetCCRMA, PureData, and Ardour usage. > > I'm sharing my experiences building and configuring such machines, in > the hopes that it will help create a community of people who swap tips > and configuration info to help each other be the most productive (and > most creative) with their Linux Audio Workstations. > > More details and photos at http://dto.freeshell.org/notebook/KarmaPod.html > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.0 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFEV63N1Aecwva1SWMRAqJLAJ9RzUbLkntOyIzWLQZnojwDan9sGACggmWs GANmstwIFwcM7vZh4/oMQSQ= =uysM -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From dto at gnu.org Tue May 2 15:00:58 2006 From: dto at gnu.org (David O'Toole) Date: Tue May 2 15:01:31 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Announcing the "KarmaPod" In-Reply-To: <4457ADCD.7000203@linuxuse.de> (Hartmut Noack's message of "Tue, 02 May 2006 21:06:53 +0200") References: <4457ADCD.7000203@linuxuse.de> Message-ID: Hi Harmut, Didn't you do a presentation at LAC this past weekend? I think I watched it, it was about making linux audio boxes that Just Work :-) We should definitely keep in touch on these issues. Hartmut Noack writes: > Thank you David! > Such Info is most valuable for me since i am about to build a smaller > workstation dedicated to beginners - i will keep you informed how i get > along :-) > > David O'Toole schrieb: >> Hey out there LAU-ers, >> >> I'd like to make a little announcement for a fun custom hardware box I >> built specially for PlanetCCRMA, PureData, and Ardour usage. >> >> I'm sharing my experiences building and configuring such machines, in >> the hopes that it will help create a community of people who swap tips >> and configuration info to help each other be the most productive (and >> most creative) with their Linux Audio Workstations. >> >> More details and photos at http://dto.freeshell.org/notebook/KarmaPod.html >> -- Dave O'Toole dto@gnu.org From cave.dnb at tiscali.fr Tue May 2 15:17:01 2006 From: cave.dnb at tiscali.fr (Nigel Henry) Date: Tue May 2 15:17:32 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Midi problems with Yamaha PSR-273 In-Reply-To: <20060502084938.GD18807@turing.informatik.uni-halle.de> References: <444F906C.3040007@kolumbus.fi> <200604301359.40638.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> <20060502084938.GD18807@turing.informatik.uni-halle.de> Message-ID: <200605022117.01464.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> On Tuesday 02 May 2006 10:49, Clemens Ladisch wrote: > Nigel Henry wrote: > > Hi Esa. /sbin/lspci for my Audigy2 soundblaster shows amongst other > > lines, one for the "gameport" on the card, as below. > > Input device controller: Creative Labs SB Audigy Midi/Game port (rev 04). > > and my lsmod shows 2 lines referring to this. > > emu10k1_gp 3584 0 > > gameport 4608 emu10k1_gp > > > > Neither of those shows up on your lsmod, so I presume that your card does > > not have a gameport. > > These modules are for joysticks and have nothing to do with the MIDI > pins of the gameport. > > > If you have a midi in connection, there is another module snd-mpu401. I > > don't have a midi in, but this may be the module that needs to be loaded. > > The MPU-401 modules are not needed, the emu10k1 driver hat its own code > for handling MIDI. > > > Regards, > Clemens Hi Clemens. Thank you for putting me right on this. You say that the emu10k1 driver has its own code for handling MIDI. I presume, but correct me if I'm wrong, that, that is using snd-seq-midi. I say this because if snd-seq-midi is not loaded, you have no midi connections showing in Qjackctl's midi connections. Just out of interest. On FC3 my Qjackctl midi connections show. 62:Midi Through 64:Audigy MPU-401 (UART) 72:MK-225C USB MIDI keyboard Now I don't have the backplate with the gameport on it with me, as its in the UK, so I can't try it. The keyboard works fine on port 72. If I had the keyboard plugged into the gameport, should it now show up on port 64? (It is both midi and usb capable). Of course. None of this helps Esa with his Yamaha PSR-273 midi problems. Any ideas? Thanks for all the support you give. Nigel. From brad at sonaural.com Tue May 2 15:30:14 2006 From: brad at sonaural.com (Brad Fuller) Date: Tue May 2 15:31:47 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Announcing the "KarmaPod" In-Reply-To: References: <44579DAA.6000602@sonaural.com> Message-ID: <4457B346.6070500@sonaural.com> David O'Toole wrote: > I don't have one of those nifty decibel meters, so I can't give > distance + decibels for the machine. I consider it very quiet, when > you factor in all the drives etc. It's obviously better when the fans > have just been cleaned. > > Is there a way to get accurate decibel readings using my Delta 1010 > and Pd? I'd do it and post the results. . . > Looks like you are in NY (right?) so you could take a trip to the local Radio Shack and get their cheap SPL meter. To get an unscientific, ballpark reading you could get/borrow a mic - with as flat as a response as you can find. The mic and the environment tested within would be your biggest variables. Depending on what mic is used, and the environment you test in, you'll get different results. I'm sure you don't have an anechoic room to test in, :-( but just some basic readings at a distance of 1/2 meter, 1 meter, 3 meters from the loudest producing area would be helpful. Take the case to the quietest (of external sounds), and most carpeted (to reduce reflections) that you can find. I'm sure there's gotta be a pink noise generator in pd and a module that can plot the resultant frequency spectrum from the mic. You might also indicate the mic used -- maybe the published freq response and polar response of the mic can be used to help interpret the result. Not scientific in the least, but a reasonable approach for a ballpark reading. From zettberlin at linuxuse.de Tue May 2 15:46:08 2006 From: zettberlin at linuxuse.de (Hartmut Noack) Date: Tue May 2 15:37:47 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Announcing the "KarmaPod" In-Reply-To: References: <4457ADCD.7000203@linuxuse.de> Message-ID: <4457B700.9030507@linuxuse.de> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hi David, David O'Toole schrieb: > Hi Harmut, > > Didn't you do a presentation at LAC this past weekend? yes :-) > > We should definitely keep in touch on these issues. absolutely - though i have some experience in hardware too by installing and setting up Linux for friends and customers, it is not my strongest side - i am most focussed on helpsystems, integration and usersupport. right now i am still on my little spring-campaign for Linuxaudio ;-) riding to Wiesbaden for the Linuxtag tomorrow. The set of scripts for my workstationproject will be available in a new version with major improvements thanks the help of Rui Nuno Capela (qjackctl). As i return i will start getting recent offers for the hardware and within about 2 weeks i will start to set up a first box. i have contacted 2 local bands and a soloartist, that will test the box in june to find out, how it works out in the real world ;-) until then ... :-) > Hartmut Noack writes: > > >>Thank you David! >>Such Info is most valuable for me since i am about to build a smaller >>workstation dedicated to beginners - i will keep you informed how i get >>along :-) >> >>David O'Toole schrieb: >> >>>Hey out there LAU-ers, >>> >>>I'd like to make a little announcement for a fun custom hardware box I >>>built specially for PlanetCCRMA, PureData, and Ardour usage. >>> >>>I'm sharing my experiences building and configuring such machines, in >>>the hopes that it will help create a community of people who swap tips >>>and configuration info to help each other be the most productive (and >>>most creative) with their Linux Audio Workstations. >>> >>>More details and photos at http://dto.freeshell.org/notebook/KarmaPod.html >>> > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.0 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFEV7cA1Aecwva1SWMRAihVAJ9le8lEKMtw7s+VfgxhZCxtLjq29QCfUISA vphUsNAPGAwV4AY8vdD/yLg= =MKbg -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From bigwavedave at gmail.com Tue May 2 16:28:59 2006 From: bigwavedave at gmail.com (Big Wave Dave) Date: Tue May 2 16:29:06 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Announcing the "KarmaPod" In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8e124f160605021328m2f54aaa7q177829e7f099244a@mail.gmail.com> On 5/2/06, David O'Toole wrote: > > Hey out there LAU-ers, > > I'd like to make a little announcement for a fun custom hardware box I > built specially for PlanetCCRMA, PureData, and Ardour usage. > > I'm sharing my experiences building and configuring such machines, in > the hopes that it will help create a community of people who swap tips > and configuration info to help each other be the most productive (and > most creative) with their Linux Audio Workstations. > > More details and photos at http://dto.freeshell.org/notebook/KarmaPod.html > > -- > Dave O'Toole > dto@gnu.org > I just tried to access it and got: "quota exceeded. The page you are trying to reach is inaccessible because the user has exceeded their allotted daily quota. Please try this page again tomorrow after 00:00:00 UTC. " Does anyone have a mirror of it? Dave ---------------------------------------------------------- Are Your Friends Lemmings? -- http://www.lemmingshirts.com From dto at gnu.org Tue May 2 16:37:16 2006 From: dto at gnu.org (David O'Toole) Date: Tue May 2 16:37:24 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Announcing the "KarmaPod" In-Reply-To: <8e124f160605021328m2f54aaa7q177829e7f099244a@mail.gmail.com> (Big Wave Dave's message of "Tue, 2 May 2006 13:28:59 -0700") References: <8e124f160605021328m2f54aaa7q177829e7f099244a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: I'm sorry, I have a free account and I probably shouldn't have posted an image-heavy URL to such a big mailing list :-/ I don't have anyplace to mirror it but I am planning to upgrade my account as soon as possible, so that I get more transfer... "Big Wave Dave" writes: > On 5/2/06, David O'Toole wrote: >> >> Hey out there LAU-ers, >> >> I'd like to make a little announcement for a fun custom hardware box I >> built specially for PlanetCCRMA, PureData, and Ardour usage. >> >> I'm sharing my experiences building and configuring such machines, in >> the hopes that it will help create a community of people who swap tips >> and configuration info to help each other be the most productive (and >> most creative) with their Linux Audio Workstations. >> >> More details and photos at http://dto.freeshell.org/notebook/KarmaPod.html >> >> -- >> Dave O'Toole >> dto@gnu.org >> > > I just tried to access it and got: > > "quota exceeded. > The page you are trying to reach is inaccessible because the > user has exceeded their allotted daily quota. > > Please try this page again tomorrow after 00:00:00 UTC. " > > Does anyone have a mirror of it? > > Dave > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > Are Your Friends Lemmings? > -- http://www.lemmingshirts.com -- Dave O'Toole dto@gnu.org From zettberlin at linuxuse.de Tue May 2 16:53:57 2006 From: zettberlin at linuxuse.de (Hartmut Noack) Date: Tue May 2 16:45:06 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Announcing the "KarmaPod" In-Reply-To: References: <8e124f160605021328m2f54aaa7q177829e7f099244a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4457C6E5.70403@linuxuse.de> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hello David, David O'Toole schrieb: > I'm sorry, I have a free account and I probably shouldn't have posted > an image-heavy URL to such a big mailing list :-/ > > I don't have anyplace to mirror it but I am planning to upgrade my > account as soon as possible, so that I get more transfer... If you wish, we could talk about hosting your big stuff at my server (it is not the fastes of beasts but comes with virtually unlimited traffic ;-)) >>"quota exceeded. >>The page you are trying to reach is inaccessible because the >>user has exceeded their allotted daily quota. >> >>Please try this page again tomorrow after 00:00:00 UTC. " >> >>Does anyone have a mirror of it? >> >>Dave >> >> >> >> >>---------------------------------------------------------- >>Are Your Friends Lemmings? >>-- http://www.lemmingshirts.com > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.0 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFEV8bl1Aecwva1SWMRAryPAKCFuff4tgY6VfKcHzptXIbGwaZNgQCfXgqH ol+J4og9HTPuo+gJN8ngXHM= =wV3N -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From julien at c-lab.de Tue May 2 17:40:21 2006 From: julien at c-lab.de (Julien Claassen) Date: Tue May 2 17:40:38 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] midi connection question Message-ID: Hi! I want to connect some midi-player to csound. Problem is: csound only seems to support alsa rawmidi and all simple midi-players I use seem only to support alsa-sequencer. So what to do? Thanks for any help in advance! Kindest regards Julien -------- Music was my first love and it will be my last (John Miles) ======== FIND MY WEB-PROJECT AT: ======== http://ltsb.sourceforge.net - the Linux TextBased Studio guide From esa.linna at kolumbus.fi Tue May 2 18:01:42 2006 From: esa.linna at kolumbus.fi (Esa Linna) Date: Tue May 2 17:58:33 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Midi problems with Yamaha PSR-273 In-Reply-To: <200605022117.01464.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> References: <444F906C.3040007@kolumbus.fi> <200604301359.40638.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> <20060502084938.GD18807@turing.informatik.uni-halle.de> <200605022117.01464.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> Message-ID: <4457D6C6.6050405@kolumbus.fi> Nigel Henry kirjoitti: > > Now I don't have the backplate with the gameport on it with me, as its in the > UK, so I can't try it. The keyboard works fine on port 72. If I had the > keyboard plugged into the gameport, should it now show up on port 64? (It is > both midi and usb capable). > > Of course. None of this helps Esa with his Yamaha PSR-273 midi problems. Any > ideas? > > Thanks for all the support you give. Nigel. > Thanks again for all, have tried every possible trick that you have gave me. I guess the bracket isn't after all suitable for my Audigy 2 ZS. From Creative help desk they told that bulk versions of Audigy are for the big companies' like IBM and DELL, and therefore there might be some modifications done - so that these cards work with their specs. I am thinking about Edirol UM-1EX, which is a cheap midi/usb -cable, and it seems that they work fine with linux & alsa. But if I try once more..., should I check that BIOS settings are correct? Sound Blaster enabled/disabled? PNP OS yes/no? Any hints? From carotinobg at yahoo.it Tue May 2 18:04:28 2006 From: carotinobg at yahoo.it (Carotinho) Date: Tue May 2 18:01:47 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] LAC2006 Photos In-Reply-To: <445787B5.4010601@jensgulden.de> References: <200605011816.44731.ce@christeck.de> <200605020022.25735.ce@christeck.de> <445787B5.4010601@jensgulden.de> Message-ID: <200605030004.28544.carotinobg@yahoo.it> Hi! Alle 18:24, marted? 2 maggio 2006, Jens Gulden ha scritto: > Being a Berliner, you mean, that kind of sweet cake?:) I've being there last August, and there were 10 ?C or so... but nice city!:) Byez! Carotinho Chiacchiera con i tuoi amici in tempo reale! http://it.yahoo.com/mail_it/foot/*http://it.messenger.yahoo.com From wes at infosink.com Tue May 2 19:05:25 2006 From: wes at infosink.com (wes schreiner) Date: Tue May 2 19:05:26 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] USB audio interface - Terratec Phase26 any good? In-Reply-To: <200605022241.38639.pgclarke@beeb.net> References: <200605022241.38639.pgclarke@beeb.net> Message-ID: <4457E5B5.5010209@infosink.com> Peter Clarke wrote: > If that's not suitable, maybe I'll go for an Edirol UA-25, > which is often highly praised on this list. Unfortunately > it lacks a coax digital input, which would be helpful (cos > my hardware synth has a coax digital output). The Edirol UA-5 has a coaxial digital input, but unlike the UA-25 it isn't USB bus powered. wes From cave.dnb at tiscali.fr Tue May 2 19:31:36 2006 From: cave.dnb at tiscali.fr (Nigel Henry) Date: Tue May 2 19:31:45 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Midi problems with Yamaha PSR-273 In-Reply-To: <4457D6C6.6050405@kolumbus.fi> References: <444F906C.3040007@kolumbus.fi> <200605022117.01464.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> <4457D6C6.6050405@kolumbus.fi> Message-ID: <200605030131.36642.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> On Wednesday 03 May 2006 00:01, Esa Linna wrote: > Nigel Henry kirjoitti: > > Now I don't have the backplate with the gameport on it with me, as its in > > the UK, so I can't try it. The keyboard works fine on port 72. If I had > > the keyboard plugged into the gameport, should it now show up on port 64? > > (It is both midi and usb capable). > > > > Of course. None of this helps Esa with his Yamaha PSR-273 midi problems. > > Any ideas? > > > > Thanks for all the support you give. Nigel. > > Thanks again for all, have tried every possible trick that you have gave > me. I guess the bracket isn't after all suitable for my Audigy 2 ZS. > From Creative help desk they told that bulk versions of Audigy are for > the big companies' like IBM and DELL, and therefore there might be some > modifications done - so that these cards work with their specs. > > I am thinking about Edirol UM-1EX, which is a cheap midi/usb -cable, and > it seems that they work fine with linux & alsa. > > But if I try once more..., should I check that BIOS settings are > correct? Sound Blaster enabled/disabled? PNP OS yes/no? Any hints? Hi Esa. PNP OS in the BIOS is best set to NO. It didn't seem to make any difference with the Sound Blaster if it was enabled or disabled, in my case. I already had the onboard soundcard disabled by jumpers on the mobo, and the BIOS options were a bit vague. IIRC it stilled showed the physically disabled onboard card as enabled. Nigel. Nigel. From clemens at ladisch.de Wed May 3 03:10:17 2006 From: clemens at ladisch.de (Clemens Ladisch) Date: Wed May 3 03:10:31 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] midi connection question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20060503071017.GA3792@turing.informatik.uni-halle.de> Julien Claassen wrote: > I want to connect some midi-player to csound. Problem is: csound only seems > to support alsa rawmidi and all simple midi-players I use seem only to support > alsa-sequencer. So what to do? To convert between rawmidi and sequencer ports, load the snd-virmidi module. HTH Clemens From tech at glastonburymusic.org.uk Wed May 3 03:57:37 2006 From: tech at glastonburymusic.org.uk (tim hall) Date: Wed May 3 03:57:46 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] the sc-patch I just played with on the linux audio night in Karlsruhe In-Reply-To: <888384e60604291601w56608a4id3c717e2ea74af58@mail.gmail.com> References: <888384e60604291601w56608a4id3c717e2ea74af58@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200605030857.37508.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> Thanks for that. I think you have just convinced me to seriously consider learning sc. :) -- cheers, tim hall http://glastonburymusic.org.uk/tim From mail at jensgulden.de Wed May 3 04:22:55 2006 From: mail at jensgulden.de (Jens Gulden) Date: Wed May 3 04:22:17 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] LAC2006 Photos In-Reply-To: <200605030004.28544.carotinobg@yahoo.it> References: <200605011816.44731.ce@christeck.de> <200605020022.25735.ce@christeck.de> <445787B5.4010601@jensgulden.de> <200605030004.28544.carotinobg@yahoo.it> Message-ID: <4458685F.3050202@jensgulden.de> Carotinho schrieb: >> you mean, that kind of sweet cake?:) While everywhere else they're called "Berliner", inside Berlin those are called "Pfannkuchen" ("pancake"). And the cake called "Pfannkuchen" everywhere else in Germany is called "Eierkuchen" ("eggcake") in Berlin. However, I don't know how those cakes called "Eierkuchen" everywhere else are called in Berlin... ;-) Do you also have "Berliners" in Italian bakeries? >> I've being there last August, and there were 10 ?C or so... but nice city!:) You should come today, it's one of the first beautiful sunshine days of the year (and hopefully not one of the only ones...). Jens > Hi! > > Alle 18:24, marted? 2 maggio 2006, Jens Gulden ha scritto: > >>Being a Berliner, > > > you mean, that kind of sweet cake?:) > I've being there last August, and there were 10 ?C or so... but nice city!:) > > Byez! > > Carotinho > Chiacchiera con i tuoi amici in tempo reale! > http://it.yahoo.com/mail_it/foot/*http://it.messenger.yahoo.com From tech at glastonburymusic.org.uk Wed May 3 04:31:12 2006 From: tech at glastonburymusic.org.uk (tim hall) Date: Wed May 3 04:31:30 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Audio Kanotix In-Reply-To: <20060430124044.4c0c5923@mango.fruits> References: <20060430095705.35587.qmail@web52307.mail.yahoo.com> <20060430124044.4c0c5923@mango.fruits> Message-ID: <200605030931.13251.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> On Sunday 30 April 2006 11:40, Florian Paul Schmidt was like: > On Sun, 30 Apr 2006 02:57:05 -0700 (PDT) > > Renato Fabbri wrote: > > I am having some problems compiling jack and some apps > > for Kanotix, has anyone some advice (paths etc). > > As we aren't telepaths, you could start by telling us about the problem > in errrm a bit more detail. Like showing us error messages, etc.. I knew you were going to say that. ;) -- cheers, tim hall http://glastonburymusic.org.uk/tim From norb at dscape.freeserve.co.uk Wed May 3 04:34:06 2006 From: norb at dscape.freeserve.co.uk (Nigel Gilbert) Date: Wed May 3 04:42:23 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Hard lock up when using ALSA midi in Message-ID: <1146645246.8331.26.camel@maltbury3.norbnet.org> Hi all, I've been trying to use Rosegarden or Museseq to compose some music and have discovered that, when software connects to the MIDI IN on my sound card, the machine locks up totally (a reboot is required). I've done the following tests: - Installed vkeybd (virtual midi keyboard) and fluidsynth (virtual synth). - Initially, aconnect shows the following as input and output MIDI ports: nige@sully ~ $ aconnect -i -o client 0: 'System' [type=kernel] 0 'Timer ' 1 'Announce ' client 14: 'Midi Through' [type=kernel] 0 'Midi Through Port-0' client 16: 'MPU-401 MIDI 0-0' [type=kernel] 0 'MPU-401 MIDI 0-0' - After starting vkeybd and fluidsynth: nige@sully ~ $ aconnect -i -o client 0: 'System' [type=kernel] 0 'Timer ' 1 'Announce ' client 14: 'Midi Through' [type=kernel] 0 'Midi Through Port-0' client 16: 'MPU-401 MIDI 0-0' [type=kernel] 0 'MPU-401 MIDI 0-0' client 128: 'Virtual Keyboard' [type=user] 0 'Virtual Keyboard' client 129: 'FLUID Synth (7495)' [type=user] 0 'Synth input port (7495:0)' - Hooking together the keyboard and fluidsynth works (after loading a soundfont into fluidsynth). Playing notes on the virtual keyboard makes audio from the sound card: nige@sully ~ $ aconnect 128:0 129:0 - Disconnect fluidsynth and vkeybd and connect vkeybd to the MIDI port (with a hardware synth attached). Playing notes on the virtual keyboard makes noises from the external synth: nige@sully ~ $ aconnect -d 128:0 129:0 nige@sully ~ $ aconnect 128:0 16:0 - Trying to connect the MIDI port (with external keyboard attached) to fluidsynth causes the system lock up: nige@sully ~ $ aconnect 16:0 129:0 An even simpler way to get the system to lock up is to use aseqdump, this can be done straight after boot up without having to start X or anything: nige@sully ~ $ aseqdump -p 16:0 I presume that the system locking up means it's a kernel thing (in either a module or the main kernel). Oddly, it has worked in the past. Though possibly using OSS only rather than ALSA (it was a while ago). I have a C-Media 8378 card and am using cmipci as my sound card in the kernel (2.6.16). lspci | grep audio 00:0b.0 Multimedia audio controller: C-Media Electronics Inc CM8738 (rev 10) My kernel config: Device Drivers Sound <*> Sound card support Advanced Linux Sound Architecture Advanced Linux Sound Architecture Sequencer support Sequencer dummy client OSS Mixer API OSS PCM (digital audio) API [ ] OSS Sequencer API [ ] Support old ALSA API Generic devices Generic MPU-401 UART driver PCI devices C-Media 8738, 8338 Open Sound System < > Open Sound System (DEPRECATED) Any insight into this problem or help getting it working again would be greatly appreciated. I've definitely hit the limit of my understanding of how MIDI should work under ALSA! Thanks in advance, -Nige -- Nigel Gilbert From tech at glastonburymusic.org.uk Wed May 3 05:05:08 2006 From: tech at glastonburymusic.org.uk (tim hall) Date: Wed May 3 05:05:26 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Mastering without mastering In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200605031005.09020.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> On Monday 01 May 2006 10:03, BJaY was like: > I don't think I explained it very well. The idea is to have no mastering > (or minimal mastering - after this process) but to create a balanced mix by > changing the arrangement. I'm a fan of minimal mixing. Without knowledge of the specific software you are discussing, I would say that it is always my preference to arrange and record in such a way as the piece virtually mixes itself if possible. The less ducking/diving/eqing the better. To my ears this gives all the instruments a level platform. Sometimes you have to accept that a certain phrase either needs tweaking or won't be heard, that decision has to be made based on the musical relevance of the phrase. Learning to accept the way the piece turned out in the moment can be very liberating. I think it probably is a good general rule to put more energy into pre-production rather than post. It is also an ideal of mine to go with first takes, the reality is usually the third, beyond that I would start questioning my approach. It's a good exercise to make a piece entirely on first takes, rough mix it minimally and have done with it. Of course you may not consider the results releasable unless your name is Mark Kramer. ;) -- cheers, tim hall http://glastonburymusic.org.uk/tim From dto at gnu.org Wed May 3 05:29:49 2006 From: dto at gnu.org (David O'Toole) Date: Wed May 3 05:29:59 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Announcing the "KarmaPod" In-Reply-To: <4457C6E5.70403@linuxuse.de> (Hartmut Noack's message of "Tue, 02 May 2006 22:53:57 +0200") References: <8e124f160605021328m2f54aaa7q177829e7f099244a@mail.gmail.com> <4457C6E5.70403@linuxuse.de> Message-ID: Hi Hartmut, I just increased my quota by 5x due to upgrading my account. But, if this continues to be a problem, would you consider hosting about 1.2 MB of images on your site? What type of server is it---always online? Hartmut Noack writes: > Hello David, > > David O'Toole schrieb: >> I'm sorry, I have a free account and I probably shouldn't have posted >> an image-heavy URL to such a big mailing list :-/ >> >> I don't have anyplace to mirror it but I am planning to upgrade my >> account as soon as possible, so that I get more transfer... > > If you wish, we could talk about hosting your big stuff at my server (it > is not the fastes of beasts but comes with virtually unlimited traffic ;-)) > > >>>"quota exceeded. >>>The page you are trying to reach is inaccessible because the >>>user has exceeded their allotted daily quota. >>> >>>Please try this page again tomorrow after 00:00:00 UTC. " >>> >>>Does anyone have a mirror of it? >>> >>>Dave >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>---------------------------------------------------------- >>>Are Your Friends Lemmings? >>>-- http://www.lemmingshirts.com >> >> -- Dave O'Toole dto@gnu.org From mista.tapas at gmx.net Wed May 3 05:33:25 2006 From: mista.tapas at gmx.net (Florian Paul Schmidt) Date: Wed May 3 05:34:00 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Hard lock up when using ALSA midi in In-Reply-To: <1146645246.8331.26.camel@maltbury3.norbnet.org> References: <1146645246.8331.26.camel@maltbury3.norbnet.org> Message-ID: <20060503113325.5ce58c96@mango.fruits> On Wed, 03 May 2006 09:34:06 +0100 Nigel Gilbert wrote: > - Trying to connect the MIDI port (with external keyboard attached) to > fluidsynth causes the system lock up: > nige@sully ~ $ aconnect 16:0 129:0 This shouldn't happen. > An even simpler way to get the system to lock up is to use aseqdump, > this can be done straight after boot up without having to start X or > anything: > nige@sully ~ $ aseqdump -p 16:0 Good, do you get a kernel BUG? Or a dump when doing this on the console? BTW: i suppose this should really be asked on ALSA-devel [it's open to nonsubscribers]. Flo -- Palimm Palimm! http://tapas.affenbande.org From tech at glastonburymusic.org.uk Wed May 3 05:39:28 2006 From: tech at glastonburymusic.org.uk (tim hall) Date: Wed May 3 05:39:39 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Problems installing sound apps on Kanotix In-Reply-To: <20060501211226.29036.qmail@web52307.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20060501211226.29036.qmail@web52307.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <200605031039.29722.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> On Monday 01 May 2006 22:12, Renato Fabbri was like: > I am having some problems making my kanotix a DAW. Please could you repost this as a new post. I use threading in my email client, as do many others on this list. If you just reply to a random message and change the subject it makes your posting look like an irrelevant reply. The kind of people you want answers from tend to be very busy and may overlook your question. Use 'New' or 'Compose' or whatever if you want to start a new thread, use 'Reply' only if you are actually replying to something. You will get better answers this way. -- cheers, tim hall http://glastonburymusic.org.uk/tim From mista.tapas at gmx.net Wed May 3 05:45:39 2006 From: mista.tapas at gmx.net (Florian Paul Schmidt) Date: Wed May 3 05:45:50 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Audio Kanotix In-Reply-To: <20060430214552.91842.qmail@web52308.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20060430124044.4c0c5923@mango.fruits> <20060430214552.91842.qmail@web52308.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20060503114539.0a65995a@mango.fruits> On Sun, 30 Apr 2006 14:45:52 -0700 (PDT) Renato Fabbri wrote: > Hardware: P4 3.6 HT, 1G Ram, M-audio Delta 66. It is a > Dell computer, a GX280. > > Problems: > > 1- Kmenu->Control Center->Sound & Multimedia->Sound > System > > There is a jack option there, but, when I start it, I > see a window: > > "Sound server informational message: > Error while initializing the sound driver: > Couldn´t connect to jackd > The sound server will continue using the null output > device" Ok, seems either a] jack is not installed properly b] it is run with options that won't work on your box c] kde sux ;) what happens if you do this from the console: jackd -d alsa -p 512 pkg-config jack --cflags --libs > 2-Making a /home/ref/jack-audio-connection-kit and > ./configure builds with no alsa support and with oss > support. (with alsa loaded or oss turned loaded) I don't fully understand what you say, but: Do you have the ALSA development files installed? In pretty much all distros there's a distinction between just a library package and a corresponding development packages which you need when you want to compile stuff against that lib. > 3-When Pd 0.38.4-extended is installed, the pd command > issues: > "pd: error while loading shared libraries: > libjack0.80.0.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No > such file or directory Did you install jack by hand or from a package? > 4- There is no "alsa" or "alsasound" file to do the > usual: > ..path/alsa stop > ..path/alsa start > (commonly at /etc/rc.d/init.d/alsa) > There is, though, a /etc/init.d/alsa that accepts > "unload, reload, resolve" commands. Hmm, not sure about this one. > 5- While borwsing menus like Kmenu, we hear sound > hickups. This can have soooooooooooooo many reasons. Try usign a bigger buffersize. I also think i saw that artsd can run with reltime priv, too. Check the kontrol center for that. Keep in mind you probably need rtlimits setup correctly or the realtime lsm. Flo -- Palimm Palimm! http://tapas.affenbande.org From tech at glastonburymusic.org.uk Wed May 3 05:46:52 2006 From: tech at glastonburymusic.org.uk (tim hall) Date: Wed May 3 05:47:17 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Progress In-Reply-To: <20060501211914.6f0a2711@office> References: <20060501012249.0a08cefd@office> <20060501091239.GA7357@charly.SWORD> <20060501211914.6f0a2711@office> Message-ID: <200605031046.53093.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> On Monday 01 May 2006 21:19, Folderol was like: > It is a real struggle for me to achieve anything at all with this. I > seem to have a complete musical deaf spot when it comes to percussion > and have to do a lot of work for many hours to get anything even > remotely presentable. The result is it always tends to sound rather > laboured. Use drum loops, or even better do stuff without drums, release it on a free license and encourage people to do some remixes, you'll probably find plenty of enthusiasm for that sort of thing here. But play around with Hydrogen too. Drums are my weak point also, but I find Hydrogen very forgiving of my lack of talent in this area. -- cheers, tim hall http://glastonburymusic.org.uk/tim From arnold.krille at gmail.com Wed May 3 05:58:51 2006 From: arnold.krille at gmail.com (Arnold Krille) Date: Wed May 3 05:58:59 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: LAC2006 Photos In-Reply-To: <4458685F.3050202@jensgulden.de> References: <200605011816.44731.ce@christeck.de> <200605020022.25735.ce@christeck.de> <445787B5.4010601@jensgulden.de> <200605030004.28544.carotinobg@yahoo.it> <4458685F.3050202@jensgulden.de> Message-ID: <2def88b80605030258x310b9672m1d82d072cd5a3fe3@mail.gmail.com> 2006/5/3, Jens Gulden : > While everywhere else they're called "Berliner", inside Berlin those are > called "Pfannkuchen" > ("pancake"). And the cake called "Pfannkuchen" everywhere else in Germany is > called "Eierkuchen" > ("eggcake") in Berlin. However, I don't know how those cakes called > "Eierkuchen" everywhere else are > called in Berlin... ;-) It seems as if Berlin stretches out at least over Sachsen-Anhalt and Th?ringen. :-) Berliner are friends! Not food! Arnold -- visit http://dillenburg.dyndns.org/~arnold/ --- Wenn man mit Raubkopien Bands wie Brosis oder Britney Spears wirklich verhindern k?nnte, w?rde ich mir noch heute einen Stapel Brenner und einen Sack Rohlinge kaufen. From tech at glastonburymusic.org.uk Wed May 3 06:13:27 2006 From: tech at glastonburymusic.org.uk (tim hall) Date: Wed May 3 06:13:38 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Smack 0.3 Released. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200605031113.28221.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> On Saturday 29 April 2006 05:17, Loki Davison was like: > Smack 0.3 is now out. Smack is a drum synth, 100% sample free. It's > built with LADSPA plugins and the Om modular synth. 11 new drums in > this release thanks to contributions from Thorsten Wilms. These are > mostly covering a harder sound though include some nice metallic > percussion, shakers and snares. > You need cvs om to use this release. > Get it at http://smack.berlios.de/ Please don't take this as a massive flame or anything, it is merely intended as feedback. I have not tried your application yet, largely I realise because I find the name you have chosen for the project utterly repellant. The word has no positive connotations for me at all. I wonder if more people would try, what otherwise appears to be a very cool idea, if you used a name that sounded more appealing? Compare the phrases "Now I'm going to teach you how to use a GIMP mask" and "Those drums would sound better on smack". I'm being deliberately ironic here, but my serious point is how do they make you feel? -- cheers, tim hall http://glastonburymusic.org.uk/tim From mle+la at mega-nerd.com Wed May 3 06:29:15 2006 From: mle+la at mega-nerd.com (Erik de Castro Lopo) Date: Wed May 3 06:29:52 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Smack 0.3 Released. In-Reply-To: <200605031113.28221.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> References: <200605031113.28221.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> Message-ID: <20060503202915.efcc1027.mle+la@mega-nerd.com> tim hall wrote: > Please don't take this as a massive flame or anything, it is merely intended > as feedback. Please don't take this as massive flame, but this is nuts. > I have not tried your application yet, largely I realise because > I find the name you have chosen for the project utterly repellant. You're from the UK, so I guess english is your main language. From: http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=smack Smack : - a blow from a flat object - the taste experience when a savoury condiment is taken into the mouth - a sailing ship (usually rigged like a sloop or cutter) - street names for heroin [syn: big H, hell dust, nose drops, thunder] - an enthusiastic kiss [syn: smooch] - the act of smacking something; a blow delivered with an open hand - deliver a hard blow to - have an element suggestive (of something) - have a distinctive or characteristic taste - kiss lightly - eat noisily by smacking one's lips Yes, the heroin thing is there, but who cares. I think that using the meaning "deliver a hard blow to" makes smack is a very appropriate name for a drum synth. > The word > has no positive connotations for me at all. Really? Not even "deliver a hard blow to"? Erik -- +-----------------------------------------------------------+ Erik de Castro Lopo +-----------------------------------------------------------+ "These are the finest moments in (post)modern life, when satire is completly indistinguishable from reality... I usually have to rely on the presidential elections for such dada." -- frenomulax on Jesux a christian Linux distro. From dlphillips at woh.rr.com Wed May 3 07:07:14 2006 From: dlphillips at woh.rr.com (Dave Phillips) Date: Wed May 3 07:04:34 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Smack 0.3 Released. In-Reply-To: <20060503202915.efcc1027.mle+la@mega-nerd.com> References: <200605031113.28221.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> <20060503202915.efcc1027.mle+la@mega-nerd.com> Message-ID: <44588EE2.3080406@woh.rr.com> Greetings: [re: Smack - the name] First thing I thought of (contextually) was slapping a conga drum head. Then I thought about slapping a conga drum head while my girlfriend kissed me lightly and said I resembled a junkie... dp From loki.davison at gmail.com Wed May 3 07:43:38 2006 From: loki.davison at gmail.com (Loki Davison) Date: Wed May 3 07:43:44 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Smack 0.3 Released. In-Reply-To: <200605031113.28221.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> References: <200605031113.28221.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> Message-ID: On 5/3/06, tim hall wrote: > On Saturday 29 April 2006 05:17, Loki Davison was like: > > Smack 0.3 is now out. Smack is a drum synth, 100% sample free. It's > > built with LADSPA plugins and the Om modular synth. 11 new drums in > > this release thanks to contributions from Thorsten Wilms. These are > > mostly covering a harder sound though include some nice metallic > > percussion, shakers and snares. > > You need cvs om to use this release. > > Get it at http://smack.berlios.de/ > > Please don't take this as a massive flame or anything, it is merely intended > as feedback. I have not tried your application yet, largely I realise > because > I find the name you have chosen for the project utterly repellant. The word > has no positive connotations for me at all. I wonder if more people would > try, what otherwise appears to be a very cool idea, if you used a name that > sounded more appealing? > > Compare the phrases "Now I'm going to teach you how to use a GIMP mask" > and "Those drums would sound better on smack". I'm being deliberately ironic > here, but my serious point is how do they make you feel? > -- > cheers, > > tim hall > http://glastonburymusic.org.uk/tim > I like all the connotations of the name. Your drums are on acid would also be cool, but the name is already popular for another style. ;) It's really related to hitting a drum though. I think it's catchy. I may however have wacky taste in names. Khagan is one of my other programs the word meaning khan of khan. Do you know what the word gimp means btw? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gimp_(sadomasochism) Loki From eun.sung at no-log.org Wed May 3 07:54:59 2006 From: eun.sung at no-log.org (eun.sung@no-log.org) Date: Wed May 3 07:55:07 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] evolution uc-16 In-Reply-To: <20060502084059.GC18807@turing.informatik.uni-halle.de> References: <57843.AQACVQlWDHk=.1146477237.squirrel@webmail.no-log.org> <20060502084059.GC18807@turing.informatik.uni-halle.de> Message-ID: <40661.AQACVQlWDHk=.1146657299.squirrel@webmail.no-log.org> > eun.sung@no-log.org wrote: >> i try to use an evolution uc-16 midi/usb controller. >> using the snd-usb-audio module makes my system recognize my box but as i >> connect its midi output to any appz midi input i can't sned any midi >> message. > > What are the contents of /proc/asound/cards and the output of > "amidi -l"? cat /proc/asound/cards 0 [Intel ]: HDA-Intel - HDA Intel HDA Intel at 0xdfebc000 irq 16 1 [Controller ]: USB-Audio - UC-16 USB MIDI Controller Evolution Electronics Ltd. UC-16 USB MIDI Controller at usb-0000:00:1d.3-1, ful amidi -l Device Name hw:1,0,0 UC-16 USB MIDI Controller MIDI >> i use the alsa drivers compiled as kernel modules. could it be the >> reason >> that it can't work? > > This should not make any difference. > > Regards, > Clemens > thanks jim From eun.sung at no-log.org Wed May 3 08:01:27 2006 From: eun.sung at no-log.org (eun.sung@no-log.org) Date: Wed May 3 08:01:35 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] evolution uc-16 In-Reply-To: <40661.AQACVQlWDHk=.1146657299.squirrel@webmail.no-log.org> References: <57843.AQACVQlWDHk=.1146477237.squirrel@webmail.no-log.org> <20060502084059.GC18807@turing.informatik.uni-halle.de> <40661.AQACVQlWDHk=.1146657299.squirrel@webmail.no-log.org> Message-ID: <57174.AQACVQlWDHk=.1146657687.squirrel@webmail.no-log.org> >> eun.sung@no-log.org wrote: >>> i try to use an evolution uc-16 midi/usb controller. >>> using the snd-usb-audio module makes my system recognize my box but as >>> i >>> connect its midi output to any appz midi input i can't sned any midi >>> message. >> >> What are the contents of /proc/asound/cards and the output of >> "amidi -l"? > > cat /proc/asound/cards > 0 [Intel ]: HDA-Intel - HDA Intel > HDA Intel at 0xdfebc000 irq 16 > 1 [Controller ]: USB-Audio - UC-16 USB MIDI Controller > Evolution Electronics Ltd. UC-16 USB MIDI Controller > at usb-0000:00:1d.3-1, ful > > > amidi -l > Device Name > hw:1,0,0 UC-16 USB MIDI Controller MIDI > > > >>> i use the alsa drivers compiled as kernel modules. could it be the >>> reason >>> that it can't work? >> >> This should not make any difference. >> >> Regards, >> Clemens >> > > thanks > jim > sorry for that second post, i forgot to say that my system behaves weird as i've conneected the usb-audio midi port to an app. so i try to map a midi controller to anything, that that doesn't work, and then my jack deamon seems to freeze, so the app. and that's really unpleasant. From jri at broadpark.no Wed May 3 08:08:56 2006 From: jri at broadpark.no (Johannes Mario Ringheim) Date: Wed May 3 08:09:10 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Smack 0.3 Released. In-Reply-To: <200605031113.28221.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> References: <200605031113.28221.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> Message-ID: <44589D58.3050007@broadpark.no> tim hall wrote: > Please don't take this as a massive flame or anything, it is merely intended > as feedback. I have not tried your application yet, largely I realise because > I find the name you have chosen for the project utterly repellant. The word > has no positive connotations for me at all. I wonder if more people would > try, what otherwise appears to be a very cool idea, if you used a name that > sounded more appealing? > > Compare the phrases "Now I'm going to teach you how to use a GIMP mask" > and "Those drums would sound better on smack". I'm being deliberately ironic > here, but my serious point is how do they make you feel? We shouldn't forget to mention these too: -Nuendo -CakeWalk -Reason -Reaktor (is that radioactive?) -Logic Not that proprietary apps is a reference point, but it seems that's there are just so many phrases one can make with the words "drum", "audio", "sound" and "music" in them. LADSPA plugins tend to be better: "Comb Filter", "Rate Shifter", "Stereo Reverb". My favourite to date is "Barry's Satan Maximiser", tells me exactly what to expect... -- Ringheims Auto - Fri musikk for bilstereo! http://ringheimsauto.1go.dk/ From dto at gnu.org Wed May 3 08:42:39 2006 From: dto at gnu.org (David O'Toole) Date: Wed May 3 08:42:52 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] "KarmaPod" page back online... In-Reply-To: <8e124f160605021328m2f54aaa7q177829e7f099244a@mail.gmail.com> (Big Wave Dave's message of "Tue, 2 May 2006 13:28:59 -0700") References: <8e124f160605021328m2f54aaa7q177829e7f099244a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi folks, Sorry about the "quota exceeded" messages you may have got. I've temporarily moved the KarmaPod images to another server, so the following URL should work now: http://dto.freeshell.org/notebook/KarmaPod.html You shouldn't notice any glitches, but let me know if you do. "Big Wave Dave" writes: > On 5/2/06, David O'Toole wrote: >> >> Hey out there LAU-ers, >> >> I'd like to make a little announcement for a fun custom hardware box I >> built specially for PlanetCCRMA, PureData, and Ardour usage. >> >> I'm sharing my experiences building and configuring such machines, in >> the hopes that it will help create a community of people who swap tips >> and configuration info to help each other be the most productive (and >> most creative) with their Linux Audio Workstations. >> >> More details and photos at http://dto.freeshell.org/notebook/KarmaPod.html >> >> -- >> Dave O'Toole >> dto@gnu.org >> > > I just tried to access it and got: > > "quota exceeded. > The page you are trying to reach is inaccessible because the > user has exceeded their allotted daily quota. > > Please try this page again tomorrow after 00:00:00 UTC. " > > Does anyone have a mirror of it? > > Dave > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > Are Your Friends Lemmings? > -- http://www.lemmingshirts.com -- Dave O'Toole dto@gnu.org From dlphillips at woh.rr.com Wed May 3 09:06:00 2006 From: dlphillips at woh.rr.com (Dave Phillips) Date: Wed May 3 09:03:20 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] "KarmaPod" page back online... In-Reply-To: References: <8e124f160605021328m2f54aaa7q177829e7f099244a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4458AAB8.80302@woh.rr.com> David O'Toole wrote: >Hi folks, > >Sorry about the "quota exceeded" messages you may have got. I've >temporarily moved the KarmaPod images to another server, so the >following URL should work now: > >http://dto.freeshell.org/notebook/KarmaPod.html > > Two words: "Wow!" and "Wow!". Ultracool, David. :) Best, dp From carotinobg at yahoo.it Wed May 3 09:34:25 2006 From: carotinobg at yahoo.it (Carotinho) Date: Wed May 3 09:31:47 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] LAC2006 Photos In-Reply-To: <4458685F.3050202@jensgulden.de> References: <200605011816.44731.ce@christeck.de> <200605030004.28544.carotinobg@yahoo.it> <4458685F.3050202@jensgulden.de> Message-ID: <200605031534.25984.carotinobg@yahoo.it> Hi! Alle 10:22, mercoled? 3 maggio 2006, Jens Gulden ha scritto: > Do you also have "Berliners" in Italian bakeries? Well, we call them "krafen" (don't worry about the spelling), and we do have them in bakeries:) I first heard the joke about Kennedy "ich bin ein Berliner" last year in Westfalia, maybe there they call it berliner Pfannkuchen or something like this. Byez! Carotinho Chiacchiera con i tuoi amici in tempo reale! http://it.yahoo.com/mail_it/foot/*http://it.messenger.yahoo.com From rtp405 at yahoo.com Wed May 3 10:38:32 2006 From: rtp405 at yahoo.com (R Parker) Date: Wed May 3 10:38:43 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Anyone in DC or Atlanta? Message-ID: <20060503143832.80957.qmail@web32410.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi, I'll be in DC from the 4th through the 11th and in Atlanta from the 15th through the 26th. We must have some coffee drinkers in those cities. Send me a phone number off the list and I'll try to call when I'm in town. Ron Parker Mirror Image Studios; owner, producer, engineer Showcore; A1 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From lau at kudla.org Wed May 3 10:53:03 2006 From: lau at kudla.org (Rob) Date: Wed May 3 10:54:04 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Smack 0.3 Released. In-Reply-To: <200605031113.28221.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> References: <200605031113.28221.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> Message-ID: <200605031053.03969.lau@kudla.org> On Wed May 3 2006 06:13, tim hall wrote: > Compare the phrases "Now I'm going to teach you how to use a > GIMP mask" and "Those drums would sound better on smack". I'm > being deliberately ironic here, but my serious point is how do > they make you feel? I had a lover who was a heroin addict and contracted HIV through shared needles and later died. (No, I'm not trolling or being facetious; I just don't have time to write how it affected me or how my life changed.) Nonetheless, "smack" still means "the sound something makes when you hit it" to me, and not "street term for heroin." I think it's a fine name. (I don't feel that way about the Gimp.) Maybe if we get some other people whose lives have been impacted by heroin to chime in, the question will be settled quickly one way or the other. Rob From drh at niptron.com Wed May 3 12:20:51 2006 From: drh at niptron.com (DuWayne Holsbeck) Date: Wed May 3 12:12:29 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Anyone in DC or Atlanta? In-Reply-To: <20060503143832.80957.qmail@web32410.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060503143832.80957.qmail@web32410.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1146673251.16506.0.camel@drhdeb.factorymotorparts.net> Traveling with the carnival again ;-) DRH On Wed, 2006-05-03 at 07:38 -0700, R Parker wrote: > Hi, > > I'll be in DC from the 4th through the 11th and in > Atlanta from the 15th through the 26th. We must have > some coffee drinkers in those cities. > > Send me a phone number off the list and I'll try to > call when I'm in town. > > Ron Parker > Mirror Image Studios; owner, producer, engineer > Showcore; A1 > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > From job17and9 at sbcglobal.net Wed May 3 12:31:35 2006 From: job17and9 at sbcglobal.net (Brian Dunn) Date: Wed May 3 12:31:42 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Hard lock up when using ALSA midi in In-Reply-To: <20060503113325.5ce58c96@mango.fruits> References: <1146645246.8331.26.camel@maltbury3.norbnet.org> <20060503113325.5ce58c96@mango.fruits> Message-ID: <4458DAE7.2040602@sbcglobal.net> That's funny 'cause i sent this fella over here from forums.gentoo.org. I think we're inadvertantly giving Nigel a bit of a run-around. Sorry, Nigel, but he is probably right. Oh well, you'll eventually be glad you joined this list, when you get your stuff working and start looking for more ways to make noise. brian (Higgaion) >BTW: i suppose this should really be asked on ALSA-devel [it's open to >nonsubscribers]. > >Flo > > From gn at hetnet.nl Wed May 3 13:47:55 2006 From: gn at hetnet.nl (Gerrit Niestijl) Date: Wed May 3 13:48:05 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Serial midi trouble Message-ID: <20060503174755.GA6975@reus> Hi, I am having some problems connecting my Roland XP-30 synth through the serial port. I can send midi data from the synth to the computer (eg record them with seq24) and i can send midi data from the computer to the synth (eg play the synth with vkeybd). But i as soon as i connect the serial midi input with the serial midi output (the synth has its 'local' set to 'off') and hit a note on the synth there appears to be a feedback loop, because an endless amount of midi notes is being generated, flooding my synth. The serial midi driver is loaded like this: modprobe snd-serial-u16550 port=0x3f8 irq=4 adaptor=4 outs=1 I also tried 'adapter=1' (soundcanvas mode) but with the same result. Am i doing something wrong? Missing something? -- gerrit From pw_lists at slinkp.com Wed May 3 13:48:23 2006 From: pw_lists at slinkp.com (Paul Winkler) Date: Wed May 3 13:49:12 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Anyone in DC or Atlanta? In-Reply-To: <20060503143832.80957.qmail@web32410.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060503143832.80957.qmail@web32410.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20060503174823.GC20436@slinkp.com> Hey Ron! I live in NY but I *may* be working in DC on the 11th-12th. When do you depart? -PW 347-564-4711 On Wed, May 03, 2006 at 07:38:32AM -0700, R Parker wrote: > Hi, > > I'll be in DC from the 4th through the 11th and in > Atlanta from the 15th through the 26th. We must have > some coffee drinkers in those cities. > > Send me a phone number off the list and I'll try to > call when I'm in town. > > Ron Parker > Mirror Image Studios; owner, producer, engineer > Showcore; A1 > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com -- Paul Winkler http://www.slinkp.com From eun.sung at no-log.org Wed May 3 15:10:35 2006 From: eun.sung at no-log.org (eun.sung@no-log.org) Date: Wed May 3 15:10:49 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] evolution uc-16 In-Reply-To: <57174.AQACVQlWDHk=.1146657688.squirrel@webmail.no-log.org> References: <57843.AQACVQlWDHk=.1146477237.squirrel@webmail.no-log.org> <20060502084059.GC18807@turing.informatik.uni-halle.de> <40661.AQACVQlWDHk=.1146657299.squirrel@webmail.no-log.org> <57174.AQACVQlWDHk=.1146657688.squirrel@webmail.no-log.org> Message-ID: <13364.VwMBDl4GCy8=.1146683435.squirrel@webmail.no-log.org> >>> eun.sung@no-log.org wrote: >>>> i try to use an evolution uc-16 midi/usb controller. >>>> using the snd-usb-audio module makes my system recognize my box but as >>>> i >>>> connect its midi output to any appz midi input i can't sned any midi >>>> message. >>> >>> What are the contents of /proc/asound/cards and the output of >>> "amidi -l"? >> >> cat /proc/asound/cards >> 0 [Intel ]: HDA-Intel - HDA Intel >> HDA Intel at 0xdfebc000 irq 16 >> 1 [Controller ]: USB-Audio - UC-16 USB MIDI Controller >> Evolution Electronics Ltd. UC-16 USB MIDI >> Controller >> at usb-0000:00:1d.3-1, ful >> >> >> amidi -l >> Device Name >> hw:1,0,0 UC-16 USB MIDI Controller MIDI >> >> >> >>>> i use the alsa drivers compiled as kernel modules. could it be the >>>> reason >>>> that it can't work? >>> >>> This should not make any difference. >>> >>> Regards, >>> Clemens >>> >> >> thanks >> jim >> > > sorry for that second post, i forgot to say that my system behaves weird > as i've conneected the usb-audio midi port to an app. so i try to map a > midi controller to anything, that that doesn't work, and then my jack > deamon seems to freeze, so the app. and that's really unpleasant. > i've just seen a serie of post dating from january 2006, concerning some troubles with usb-audio and 2.6.15 kernel, which is the version i use. so i've tried with an old kernel and my controller works perfectly. but i'd like to use a recent kernel, which i'm compiling. From julien at c-lab.de Wed May 3 15:11:28 2006 From: julien at c-lab.de (Julien Claassen) Date: Wed May 3 15:11:57 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] midi connection question In-Reply-To: <20060503071017.GA3792@turing.informatik.uni-halle.de> References: <20060503071017.GA3792@turing.informatik.uni-halle.de> Message-ID: Hi Clemens! When I loaded the snd-virmidi module, then I give csound the rawmidi port of the virmidi-card showing up and use the sequencer ports of virmidi with my other players/sequencers? Did I deduce that correctly? Thanks already! Kindest regards Julien -------- Music was my first love and it will be my last (John Miles) ======== FIND MY WEB-PROJECT AT: ======== http://ltsb.sourceforge.net - the Linux TextBased Studio guide From folderol at ukfsn.org Wed May 3 15:32:10 2006 From: folderol at ukfsn.org (Folderol) Date: Wed May 3 15:31:38 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Copyright/Ownership Warning Message-ID: <20060503203210.1102a7ef@office> Somebody recently posted on here a URL for a song on Myspace.com. Please NEVER do this again. It appears that since being taken over by Murdoch the hosting agent has re-written the contract terms with unbelievable rights claims. They now claim copyright on EVERYTHING posted, including all text, pictures and music. They also reserve the right to modify re-post and even sell all material they host, without notifying you. This applies even after you take down the material yourself - so presumably they archive everything. In most parts of the world such contract terms can not be made retrospective so presumably anything put on there before the Murdoch takeover is safe...ish. However, do you fancy a legal battle with that organisation? -- F From cave.dnb at tiscali.fr Wed May 3 15:14:08 2006 From: cave.dnb at tiscali.fr (Nigel Henry) Date: Wed May 3 15:32:57 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] evolution uc-16 In-Reply-To: <13364.VwMBDl4GCy8=.1146683435.squirrel@webmail.no-log.org> References: <57843.AQACVQlWDHk=.1146477237.squirrel@webmail.no-log.org> <57174.AQACVQlWDHk=.1146657688.squirrel@webmail.no-log.org> <13364.VwMBDl4GCy8=.1146683435.squirrel@webmail.no-log.org> Message-ID: <200605032114.08954.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> On Wednesday 03 May 2006 21:10, eun.sung@no-log.org wrote: > >>> eun.sung@no-log.org wrote: > >>>> i try to use an evolution uc-16 midi/usb controller. > >>>> using the snd-usb-audio module makes my system recognize my box but as > >>>> i > >>>> connect its midi output to any appz midi input i can't sned any midi > >>>> message. > >>> > >>> What are the contents of /proc/asound/cards and the output of > >>> "amidi -l"? > >> > >> cat /proc/asound/cards > >> 0 [Intel ]: HDA-Intel - HDA Intel > >> HDA Intel at 0xdfebc000 irq 16 > >> 1 [Controller ]: USB-Audio - UC-16 USB MIDI Controller > >> Evolution Electronics Ltd. UC-16 USB MIDI > >> Controller > >> at usb-0000:00:1d.3-1, ful > >> > >> > >> amidi -l > >> Device Name > >> hw:1,0,0 UC-16 USB MIDI Controller MIDI > >> > >>>> i use the alsa drivers compiled as kernel modules. could it be the > >>>> reason > >>>> that it can't work? > >>> > >>> This should not make any difference. > >>> > >>> Regards, > >>> Clemens > >> > >> thanks > >> jim > > > > sorry for that second post, i forgot to say that my system behaves weird > > as i've conneected the usb-audio midi port to an app. so i try to map a > > midi controller to anything, that that doesn't work, and then my jack > > deamon seems to freeze, so the app. and that's really unpleasant. > > i've just seen a serie of post dating from january 2006, concerning some > troubles with usb-audio and 2.6.15 kernel, which is the version i use. so > i've tried with an old kernel and my controller works perfectly. but i'd > like to use a recent kernel, which i'm compiling. Hi. 2.6.14, and the non revised 2.6.15 kernels had problems with usb audio, but later revisions of the 2.6.15 should be ok. Nigel. From idragosani at chapelperilous.net Wed May 3 15:33:37 2006 From: idragosani at chapelperilous.net (Brett McCoy) Date: Wed May 3 15:34:27 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Copyright/Ownership Warning In-Reply-To: <20060503203210.1102a7ef@office> References: <20060503203210.1102a7ef@office> Message-ID: <44590591.2020106@chapelperilous.net> Folderol wrote: > Somebody recently posted on here a URL for a song on Myspace.com. > Please NEVER do this again. > > It appears that since being taken over by Murdoch the hosting agent has > re-written the contract terms with unbelievable rights claims. They now > claim copyright on EVERYTHING posted, including all text, pictures and > music. They also reserve the right to modify re-post and even sell all > material they host, without notifying you. This applies even after you > take down the material yourself - so presumably they archive everything. > > In most parts of the world such contract terms can not be made > retrospective so presumably anything put on there before the Murdoch > takeover is safe...ish. However, do you fancy a legal battle with that > organisation? Can you provide substantiation to this claim? -- Brett McCoy: Programmer by Day, Guitarist by Night http://www.alhazred.com http://www.cassandrasyndrome.com http://www.revelmoon.com From christhemonkey at gmail.com Wed May 3 15:34:13 2006 From: christhemonkey at gmail.com (chris beagles) Date: Wed May 3 15:34:59 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Copyright/Ownership Warning In-Reply-To: <20060503203210.1102a7ef@office> References: <20060503203210.1102a7ef@office> Message-ID: <79eea87e0605031234r525d799w69bf0b14127a0f68@mail.gmail.com> On 5/3/06, Folderol wrote: > Somebody recently posted on here a URL for a song on Myspace.com. > Please NEVER do this again. Oh eck very sorry, didnt realise this! obviously my friend should have read the fineprint closer. I shall notify him and try and find him another way to let his music be heard. > > It appears that since being taken over by Murdoch the hosting agent has > re-written the contract terms with unbelievable rights claims. They now > claim copyright on EVERYTHING posted, including all text, pictures and > music. They also reserve the right to modify re-post and even sell all > material they host, without notifying you. This applies even after you > take down the material yourself - so presumably they archive everything. > > In most parts of the world such contract terms can not be made > retrospective so presumably anything put on there before the Murdoch > takeover is safe...ish. However, do you fancy a legal battle with that > organisation? > > -- > F > From christhemonkey at gmail.com Wed May 3 15:37:35 2006 From: christhemonkey at gmail.com (chris beagles) Date: Wed May 3 15:37:47 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Copyright/Ownership Warning In-Reply-To: <79eea87e0605031234r525d799w69bf0b14127a0f68@mail.gmail.com> References: <20060503203210.1102a7ef@office> <79eea87e0605031234r525d799w69bf0b14127a0f68@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <79eea87e0605031237q24089972yccdc7a997b16a1e8@mail.gmail.com> Although on a very quick readthrough of the terms and conditions (http://www1.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=misc.terms) i noticed this part: "This license will terminate at the time you remove such Content from the Services." so when the music is removed from myspace they should no longer have any claim on the copyright of such music? On 5/3/06, chris beagles wrote: > On 5/3/06, Folderol wrote: > > Somebody recently posted on here a URL for a song on Myspace.com. > > Please NEVER do this again. > > Oh eck very sorry, didnt realise this! > obviously my friend should have read the fineprint closer. > I shall notify him and try and find him another way to let his music be heard. > > > > > It appears that since being taken over by Murdoch the hosting agent has > > re-written the contract terms with unbelievable rights claims. They now > > claim copyright on EVERYTHING posted, including all text, pictures and > > music. They also reserve the right to modify re-post and even sell all > > material they host, without notifying you. This applies even after you > > take down the material yourself - so presumably they archive everything. > > > > In most parts of the world such contract terms can not be made > > retrospective so presumably anything put on there before the Murdoch > > takeover is safe...ish. However, do you fancy a legal battle with that > > organisation? > > > > -- > > F > > > From idragosani at chapelperilous.net Wed May 3 15:41:17 2006 From: idragosani at chapelperilous.net (Brett McCoy) Date: Wed May 3 15:41:29 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] The MySpace terms for content Message-ID: <4459075D.4000808@chapelperilous.net> It looks like (as of May 1), that MySpace is claiming license to redistribute any content on their site, but the license goes away after you remove the content: "By displaying or publishing ("posting") any Content, messages, text, files, images, photos, video, sounds, profiles, works of authorship, or any other materials (collectively, "Content") on or through the Services, you hereby grant to MySpace.com, a non-exclusive, fully-paid and royalty-free, worldwide license (with the right to sublicense through unlimited levels of sublicensees) to use, copy, modify, adapt, translate, publicly perform, publicly display, store, reproduce, transmit, and distribute such Content on and through the Services. This license will terminate at the time you remove such Content from the Services. You represent and warrant that: (i) you own the Content posted by you on or through the Services or otherwise have the right to grant the license set forth in this section, and (ii) the posting of your Content on or through the Services does not violate the privacy rights, publicity rights, copyrights, contract rights or any other rights of any person. You agree to pay for all royalties, fees, and any other monies owing any person by reason of any Content posted by you to or through the Services." Yikes -- Brett McCoy: Programmer by Day, Guitarist by Night http://www.alhazred.com http://www.cassandrasyndrome.com http://www.revelmoon.com From folderol at ukfsn.org Wed May 3 15:44:18 2006 From: folderol at ukfsn.org (Folderol) Date: Wed May 3 15:44:12 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Progress In-Reply-To: <200605031046.53093.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> References: <20060501012249.0a08cefd@office> <20060501091239.GA7357@charly.SWORD> <20060501211914.6f0a2711@office> <200605031046.53093.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> Message-ID: <20060503204418.4e582b7a@office> On Wed, 3 May 2006 10:46:52 +0100 tim hall wrote: > On Monday 01 May 2006 21:19, Folderol was like: > > It is a real struggle for me to achieve anything at all with this. I > > seem to have a complete musical deaf spot when it comes to percussion > > and have to do a lot of work for many hours to get anything even > > remotely presentable. The result is it always tends to sound rather > > laboured. > > Use drum loops, or even better do stuff without drums, release it on a free > license and encourage people to do some remixes, you'll probably find plenty > of enthusiasm for that sort of thing here. But play around with Hydrogen too. > Drums are my weak point also, but I find Hydrogen very forgiving of my lack > of talent in this area. Drum loops are probably good for trying ideas out, but wouldn't work for much of my stuff. I usually play live with NO metronome so there are nearly always some speed variations which (in my opinion) gives a better feel but can be a nightmare to synchronise with anything else. Once again, thanks everyone for your comments. I think I will stick to drum-less compositions (which most of my stuff is anyway). Also, everything on my website is already covered by a Creative Commons 2.5 (attribution, non-commercial) license so you are free to play with my music anyway. If anyone is interested in adding drums (or anything else for that matter). I'm quite happy to send a Rosegarden or plain Midi file along with the ZynAddSubFX parameter file so that you can re-create from source. Thorsten is already having a look at Awakening The Avenger and I look forward to hearing what he can add to it. I will, of course, acknowledge any additions to the material I put on my website. -- F From brad at sonaural.com Wed May 3 15:49:16 2006 From: brad at sonaural.com (Brad Fuller) Date: Wed May 3 15:50:22 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Copyright/Ownership Warning In-Reply-To: <20060503203210.1102a7ef@office> References: <20060503203210.1102a7ef@office> Message-ID: <4459093C.5000408@sonaural.com> Folderol wrote: > Somebody recently posted on here a URL for a song on Myspace.com. > Please NEVER do this again. > > It appears that since being taken over by Murdoch the hosting agent has > re-written the contract terms with unbelievable rights claims. They now > claim copyright on EVERYTHING posted, including all text, pictures and > music. They also reserve the right to modify re-post and even sell all > material they host, without notifying you. This applies even after you > take down the material yourself - so presumably they archive everything. > > In most parts of the world such contract terms can not be made > retrospective so presumably anything put on there before the Murdoch > takeover is safe...ish. However, do you fancy a legal battle with that > organisation? > Why are you suggesting not to place a URL on here about a song on myspace.com? I don't understand. The URL is not a copyright violation and posting the URL is not either. Are you merely indicating that you don't people visiting myspace.com because of terms have changed because of ownership change? From idragosani at chapelperilous.net Wed May 3 15:55:40 2006 From: idragosani at chapelperilous.net (Brett McCoy) Date: Wed May 3 15:55:52 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Copyright/Ownership Warning In-Reply-To: <79eea87e0605031237q24089972yccdc7a997b16a1e8@mail.gmail.com> References: <20060503203210.1102a7ef@office> <79eea87e0605031234r525d799w69bf0b14127a0f68@mail.gmail.com> <79eea87e0605031237q24089972yccdc7a997b16a1e8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <44590ABC.4020000@chapelperilous.net> chris beagles wrote: > Although on a very quick readthrough of the terms and conditions > (http://www1.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=misc.terms) i noticed > this part: > > "This license will terminate at the time you remove such Content from > the Services." > > so when the music is removed from myspace they should no longer have > any claim on the copyright of such music? Note they are not claiming your copyright... they are saying that when you post content, you are automatically granting them a license to use your stuff as they list in the terms. You still hold the copyright and they do have a grievance process in place if you think someone is using your material online illegally. -- Brett -- Brett McCoy: Programmer by Day, Guitarist by Night http://www.alhazred.com http://www.cassandrasyndrome.com http://www.revelmoon.com From folderol at ukfsn.org Wed May 3 15:57:54 2006 From: folderol at ukfsn.org (Folderol) Date: Wed May 3 15:57:55 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] The MySpace terms for content In-Reply-To: <4459075D.4000808@chapelperilous.net> References: <4459075D.4000808@chapelperilous.net> Message-ID: <20060503205754.7b0be48d@office> On Wed, 03 May 2006 15:41:17 -0400 Brett McCoy wrote: > It looks like (as of May 1), that MySpace is claiming license to > redistribute any content on their site, but the license goes away after > you remove the content: > > "By displaying or publishing ("posting") any Content, messages, text, > files, images, photos, video, sounds, profiles, works of authorship, or > any other materials (collectively, "Content") on or through the > Services, you hereby grant to MySpace.com, a non-exclusive, fully-paid > and royalty-free, worldwide license (with the right to sublicense > through unlimited levels of sublicensees) to use, copy, modify, adapt, > translate, publicly perform, publicly display, store, reproduce, > transmit, and distribute such Content on and through the Services. How can anyone ever possibly track this sort of thing? > This > license will terminate at the time you remove such Content from the > Services. This is the exact reverse of what it used to say, so maybe they've already had legal beagles breathing down their necks. > You represent and warrant that: (i) you own the Content posted > by you on or through the Services or otherwise have the right to grant > the license set forth in this section, and (ii) the posting of your > Content on or through the Services does not violate the privacy rights, > publicity rights, copyrights, contract rights or any other rights of any > person. You agree to pay for all royalties, fees, and any other monies > owing any person by reason of any Content posted by you to or through > the Services." > > Yikes Exactly! Even with the change above it's still a horrendous piece of spagetti -- F From idragosani at chapelperilous.net Wed May 3 16:01:56 2006 From: idragosani at chapelperilous.net (Brett McCoy) Date: Wed May 3 16:02:06 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] The MySpace terms for content In-Reply-To: <20060503205754.7b0be48d@office> References: <4459075D.4000808@chapelperilous.net> <20060503205754.7b0be48d@office> Message-ID: <44590C34.1080803@chapelperilous.net> Folderol wrote: >> Yikes > > Exactly! Even with the change above it's still a horrendous piece of > spagetti Yep, I've taken down all of the music I had on Myspace... it's a violation of the Creative Commons terms under which my music is available. -- Brett -- Brett McCoy: Programmer by Day, Guitarist by Night http://www.alhazred.com http://www.cassandrasyndrome.com http://www.revelmoon.com From brad at sonaural.com Wed May 3 16:08:02 2006 From: brad at sonaural.com (Brad Fuller) Date: Wed May 3 16:09:08 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] The MySpace terms for content In-Reply-To: <44590C34.1080803@chapelperilous.net> References: <4459075D.4000808@chapelperilous.net> <20060503205754.7b0be48d@office> <44590C34.1080803@chapelperilous.net> Message-ID: <44590DA2.9010009@sonaural.com> Brett McCoy wrote: > Folderol wrote: > >>> Yikes >> >> Exactly! Even with the change above it's still a horrendous piece of >> spagetti > > Yep, I've taken down all of the music I had on Myspace... it's a > violation of the Creative Commons terms under which my music is > available. > Can you indicate how it violates the Creative Commons terms? From lau at kudla.org Wed May 3 16:11:50 2006 From: lau at kudla.org (Rob) Date: Wed May 3 16:12:02 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] The MySpace terms for content In-Reply-To: <4459075D.4000808@chapelperilous.net> References: <4459075D.4000808@chapelperilous.net> Message-ID: <200605031611.50983.lau@kudla.org> On Wed May 3 2006 15:41, Brett McCoy wrote: > (collectively, "Content") on or through the Services, you > hereby grant to MySpace.com, a non-exclusive, fully-paid and > royalty-free, worldwide license (with the right to sublicense > through unlimited levels of sublicensees) to use, copy, > modify, adapt, translate, publicly perform, publicly display, > store, reproduce, transmit, and distribute such Content on and > through the Services. This license will terminate at the time > you remove such Content from the Services. You represent and I'm no lawyer, but to me it seems that all those rights you're giving them only applies to Myspace itself ("to use, ... and distribute such Content on and through the Services.") Regardless, I don't think you're giving them the right to sell it on CD or use it in a soundtrack, or a commercial (unless it's airing on Myspace itself.) There's no "including but not limited to", just "on and through the Services". But millions have been lost through the presence or absence of a comma, so who knows. I also don't see where this agreement allows them to "claim copyright on EVERYTHING posted, including all text, pictures and music" as Folderol suggested, and it doesn't appear that "This applies even after you take down the material yourself". My lay interpretation of this agreement is, "You agree not to sue us for sharing the stuff you've uploaded, or at least not before you delete it. You promise you're legally allowed to upload it under these terms in the first place and if it turns out you're not, you promise to pay the offended parties whatever they're due and not try to stick us with it." I don't think that's incompatible with any free/open content licenses, nor at all draconian. If I were foolish enough to try to start a social music hosting site, I'd certainly have words to that effect in my signup agreement to cover my own ass. Not that I'm fond of Myspace or anything.... at all... but I don't think the sky is falling yet, either. Is the above agreement even any worse than the one in place before Murdoch came into the picture? Rob From idragosani at chapelperilous.net Wed May 3 16:12:36 2006 From: idragosani at chapelperilous.net (Brett McCoy) Date: Wed May 3 16:13:08 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] The MySpace terms for content In-Reply-To: <44590DA2.9010009@sonaural.com> References: <4459075D.4000808@chapelperilous.net> <20060503205754.7b0be48d@office> <44590C34.1080803@chapelperilous.net> <44590DA2.9010009@sonaural.com> Message-ID: <44590EB4.1070803@chapelperilous.net> Brad Fuller wrote: >>>> Yikes >>> Exactly! Even with the change above it's still a horrendous piece of >>> spagetti >> Yep, I've taken down all of the music I had on Myspace... it's a >> violation of the Creative Commons terms under which my music is >> available. >> > Can you indicate how it violates the Creative Commons terms? It depends on the terms... I have selected the non-commercial distribution terms, which means no modifying, public performance, etc., without permission. Myspace's terms specifically say they can modify, publicly perform, etc.... I guess it's really not a violation, but it's kind of sneaky that posting content to the site automatically grants them the license... bet a lot of people didn't even realize they are giving permission implicitly when they upload files to the site. -- Brett McCoy: Programmer by Day, Guitarist by Night http://www.alhazred.com http://www.cassandrasyndrome.com http://www.revelmoon.com From idragosani at chapelperilous.net Wed May 3 16:14:33 2006 From: idragosani at chapelperilous.net (Brett McCoy) Date: Wed May 3 16:15:21 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] The MySpace terms for content In-Reply-To: <200605031611.50983.lau@kudla.org> References: <4459075D.4000808@chapelperilous.net> <200605031611.50983.lau@kudla.org> Message-ID: <44590F29.5080909@chapelperilous.net> Rob wrote: > I also don't see where this agreement allows them to "claim > copyright on EVERYTHING posted, including all text, pictures and > music" as Folderol suggested, and it doesn't appear that "This > applies even after you take down the material yourself". That was what I was pointing out earlier... Myspace is not claiming any copyright or ownership, but instead you implicitly grant them a license when you post content to the site. It was the mention of modifying content that bothered me the most, though. -- Brett McCoy: Programmer by Day, Guitarist by Night http://www.alhazred.com http://www.cassandrasyndrome.com http://www.revelmoon.com From folderol at ukfsn.org Wed May 3 17:11:53 2006 From: folderol at ukfsn.org (Folderol) Date: Wed May 3 17:11:23 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Copyright/Ownership Warning In-Reply-To: <44590ABC.4020000@chapelperilous.net> References: <20060503203210.1102a7ef@office> <79eea87e0605031234r525d799w69bf0b14127a0f68@mail.gmail.com> <79eea87e0605031237q24089972yccdc7a997b16a1e8@mail.gmail.com> <44590ABC.4020000@chapelperilous.net> Message-ID: <20060503221153.02f46352@office> On Wed, 03 May 2006 15:55:40 -0400 Brett McCoy wrote: > chris beagles wrote: > > Although on a very quick readthrough of the terms and conditions > > (http://www1.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=misc.terms) i noticed > > this part: > > > > "This license will terminate at the time you remove such Content from > > the Services." > > > > so when the music is removed from myspace they should no longer have > > any claim on the copyright of such music? > > Note they are not claiming your copyright... they are saying that when > you post content, you are automatically granting them a license to use > your stuff as they list in the terms. You still hold the copyright and > they do have a grievance process in place if you think someone is using > your material online illegally. > > -- Brett I've miss-read something at some point. I thought they had claimed copyright, but reading the current document, that is clearly wrong. It is not as bad as I first thought but still quite unacceptable. -- F From folderol at ukfsn.org Wed May 3 17:14:16 2006 From: folderol at ukfsn.org (Folderol) Date: Wed May 3 17:13:38 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Copyright/Ownership Warning In-Reply-To: <4459093C.5000408@sonaural.com> References: <20060503203210.1102a7ef@office> <4459093C.5000408@sonaural.com> Message-ID: <20060503221416.2f56c00d@office> On Wed, 03 May 2006 12:49:16 -0700 Brad Fuller wrote: > > Are you merely indicating that you don't people visiting myspace.com > because of terms have changed because of ownership change? No, communications error :) I'm asking that nobody actually places their own, valuable, work on myspace itself. It could cause them much grief later on. -- F From BJaY at safe-mail.net Wed May 3 19:39:26 2006 From: BJaY at safe-mail.net (BJaY) Date: Wed May 3 19:39:29 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] "KarmaPod" page back online... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Can I just ask about the raid set up, I recently put a box together and "The man in the shop" said that most motherboards that say they do raid arn't doing proper raid, some part of it is being done in software, with an associated CPU overhead. Can somone tell me if this is correct ? Can you get the keyboard/monitor in the flight case for transport ? Hi folks, Sorry about the "quota exceeded" messages you may have got. I've temporarily moved the KarmaPod images to another server, so the following URL should work now: http://dto.freeshell.org/notebook/KarmaPod.html You shouldn't notice any glitches, but let me know if you do. "Big Wave Dave" writes: > On 5/2/06, David O'Toole wrote: >> >> Hey out there LAU-ers, >> >> I'd like to make a little announcement for a fun custom hardware box I >> built specially for PlanetCCRMA, PureData, and Ardour usage. >> >> I'm sharing my experiences building and configuring such machines, in >> the hopes that it will help create a community of people who swap tips >> and configuration info to help each other be the most productive (and >> most creative) with their Linux Audio Workstations. >> >> More details and photos at http://dto.freeshell.org/notebook/KarmaPod.html >> >> -- >> Dave O'Toole >> dto@gnu.org >> > > I just tried to access it and got: > > "quota exceeded. > The page you are trying to reach is inaccessible because the > user has exceeded their allotted daily quota. > > Please try this page again tomorrow after 00:00:00 UTC. " > > Does anyone have a mirror of it? > > Dave > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > Are Your Friends Lemmings? > -- http://www.lemmingshirts.com -- Dave O'Toole dto@gnu.org From dto at gnu.org Wed May 3 19:48:44 2006 From: dto at gnu.org (David O'Toole) Date: Wed May 3 19:48:53 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] "KarmaPod" page back online... In-Reply-To: (BJaY@safe-mail.net's message of "Thu, 4 May 2006 00:39:26 +0100") References: Message-ID: Hi there, I've heard that before but I have no idea whether it's true. I could fit the monitor inside the empty space above the PC chassis, but I would never transport it that way without lots of padding. Same with the keyboard---that fits nicely inside the toolbox you can see beneath the table in the last few shots. "BJaY" writes: > Can I just ask about the raid set up, I recently put a box together and "The > man in the shop" said that most motherboards that say they do raid arn't > doing proper raid, some part of it is being done in software, with an > associated CPU overhead. Can somone tell me if this is correct ? Can you get > the keyboard/monitor in the flight case for transport ? > > Hi folks, > > Sorry about the "quota exceeded" messages you may have got. I've > temporarily moved the KarmaPod images to another server, so the > following URL should work now: > > http://dto.freeshell.org/notebook/KarmaPod.html > > > You shouldn't notice any glitches, but let me know if you do. > > > > "Big Wave Dave" writes: > >> On 5/2/06, David O'Toole wrote: >>> >>> Hey out there LAU-ers, >>> >>> I'd like to make a little announcement for a fun custom hardware box I >>> built specially for PlanetCCRMA, PureData, and Ardour usage. >>> >>> I'm sharing my experiences building and configuring such machines, in >>> the hopes that it will help create a community of people who swap tips >>> and configuration info to help each other be the most productive (and >>> most creative) with their Linux Audio Workstations. >>> >>> More details and photos at > http://dto.freeshell.org/notebook/KarmaPod.html >>> >>> -- >>> Dave O'Toole >>> dto@gnu.org >>> >> >> I just tried to access it and got: >> >> "quota exceeded. >> The page you are trying to reach is inaccessible because the >> user has exceeded their allotted daily quota. >> >> Please try this page again tomorrow after 00:00:00 UTC. " >> >> Does anyone have a mirror of it? >> >> Dave >> >> >> >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------- >> Are Your Friends Lemmings? >> -- http://www.lemmingshirts.com > > -- > Dave O'Toole > dto@gnu.org > -- Dave O'Toole dto@gnu.org From bigwavedave at gmail.com Wed May 3 20:35:07 2006 From: bigwavedave at gmail.com (Big Wave Dave) Date: Wed May 3 20:35:12 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] "KarmaPod" page back online... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8e124f160605031735j14ccdc25y50af228f7107ba25@mail.gmail.com> On 5/3/06, BJaY wrote: > Can I just ask about the raid set up, I recently put a box together and "The > man in the shop" said that most motherboards that say they do raid arn't > doing proper raid, some part of it is being done in software, with an > associated CPU overhead. Can somone tell me if this is correct ? Can you get > the keyboard/monitor in the flight case for transport ? > You may want to look at: http://linuxmafia.com/faq/Hardware/sata.html#fakeraid Dave From ljc at internet.com.uy Wed May 3 20:29:21 2006 From: ljc at internet.com.uy (luis jure) Date: Wed May 3 20:38:13 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Mastering without mastering In-Reply-To: <200605031005.09020.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> References: <200605031005.09020.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> Message-ID: <20060503212921.0e88cf70@acme.acmenet> el Wed, 3 May 2006 10:05:08 +0100 tim hall escribi?: > It is also an ideal of mine to go with first takes, the reality is > usually the third, beyond that I would start questioning my approach. > It's a good exercise to make a piece entirely on first takes, rough mix > it minimally and have done with it. Of course you may not consider the > results releasable unless your name is Mark Kramer. ;) i have no idea who mark kramer might be (although i suspect saying this will make people wonder what i'm doing on this list...), but the better part of my cd collection was done just as you describe. and the results were more than just releasable. but then again, in front of the microphones you had people like sonny rollins and max roach, and behind the microphones people like rudy van gelder... From rtp405 at yahoo.com Wed May 3 20:51:37 2006 From: rtp405 at yahoo.com (R Parker) Date: Wed May 3 20:51:43 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Anyone in DC or Atlanta? In-Reply-To: <1146673251.16506.0.camel@drhdeb.factorymotorparts.net> Message-ID: <20060504005137.48630.qmail@web32410.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- DuWayne Holsbeck wrote: > Traveling with the carnival again ;-) You die for that one. :) Hey, did you guys do anymore shows in that theatre? ron > DRH > > > On Wed, 2006-05-03 at 07:38 -0700, R Parker wrote: > > Hi, > > > > I'll be in DC from the 4th through the 11th and in > > Atlanta from the 15th through the 26th. We must > have > > some coffee drinkers in those cities. > > > > Send me a phone number off the list and I'll try > to > > call when I'm in town. > > > > Ron Parker > > Mirror Image Studios; owner, producer, engineer > > Showcore; A1 > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > protection around > > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From rtp405 at yahoo.com Wed May 3 20:56:56 2006 From: rtp405 at yahoo.com (R Parker) Date: Wed May 3 20:57:01 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Anyone in DC or Atlanta? In-Reply-To: <20060503174823.GC20436@slinkp.com> Message-ID: <20060504005656.283.qmail@web32415.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hey Paul, > Hey Ron! I live in NY but I *may* be working in DC > on the 11th-12th. When do you depart? About 1:00 PM. I'm not sure what our plans are upon arrival. I imagine we'll hook up with the client. I'll try to call you and Brett when I get to DC and have a minute. It would be fun to meet up. Bring lots of cash. I like to borrow money from people whenever I can. My hotel is three blocks from the job site so I won't have car. Ron > -PW > > 347-564-4711 > > On Wed, May 03, 2006 at 07:38:32AM -0700, R Parker > wrote: > > Hi, > > > > I'll be in DC from the 4th through the 11th and in > > Atlanta from the 15th through the 26th. We must > have > > some coffee drinkers in those cities. > > > > Send me a phone number off the list and I'll try > to > > call when I'm in town. > > > > Ron Parker > > Mirror Image Studios; owner, producer, engineer > > Showcore; A1 > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > protection around > > http://mail.yahoo.com > > -- > > Paul Winkler > http://www.slinkp.com > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From georg.rudolph at schwaben.de Thu May 4 00:20:14 2006 From: georg.rudolph at schwaben.de (Georg Rudolph) Date: Thu May 4 00:19:44 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] LAC2006 Photos In-Reply-To: <44568047.4050201@gmail.com> References: <200605011816.44731.ce@christeck.de> <44568047.4050201@gmail.com> Message-ID: <445980FE.7050000@schwaben.de> Excuse me, can't find the link for the photos. May somebody post it again? Many thanks, Georg Atte Andr? Jensen schrieb: > Christoph Eckert wrote: > >> I just uploaded some Photos taken during LAC 2006. It one huge tgz >> archive, no web gallery available. It will be up in 15 minutes: From groups at xscd.com Thu May 4 02:43:33 2006 From: groups at xscd.com (Steve D) Date: Thu May 4 02:43:57 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] homemade music--notated score Message-ID: <20060504064333.GV3941@xscd.com> Hello all-- Some time ago I mentioned a recording I made, playing one of my recent piano compositions, "Arabesque 1"-- http://www.xscd.com/pub/music/audio/ogg/steve-doonan_arabesque-1.ogg I had begun to work on the notated score of the piece at that time, using the excellent program LilyPond-- http://www.lilypond.org/ --but my work was delayed twice by encountering bugs or issues with the program. The primary developer (Han-Wen Nienhuys) kindly fixed those two bugs (and I donated some money--I enjoy helping to support free software that I use and love to the extent my budget allows) and I was finally able to complete the score. If anyone is interested, or curious to see what the above audio file looks like on paper ;-), it's here: Arabesque 1 A4 paper size http://www.xscd.com/pub/music/scores__notation/pdf/paper_a4/stephen-doonan_arabesque-1_a4.pdf US "letter" paper size http://www.xscd.com/pub/music/scores__notation/pdf/paper_letter/stephen-doonan_arabesque-1_letter.pdf best wishes all, Steve D -- ---------------------------------------------------------------- How fortunate for governments that the people they administer don't think. -Adolf Hitler ---------------------------------------------------------------- From clemens at ladisch.de Thu May 4 03:57:27 2006 From: clemens at ladisch.de (Clemens Ladisch) Date: Thu May 4 03:57:56 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] midi connection question In-Reply-To: References: <20060503071017.GA3792@turing.informatik.uni-halle.de> Message-ID: <20060504075727.GA27561@turing.informatik.uni-halle.de> Julien Claassen wrote: > When I loaded the snd-virmidi module, then I give csound the rawmidi port of > the virmidi-card showing up and use the sequencer ports of virmidi with my > other players/sequencers? Did I deduce that correctly? Yes. Anything sent to the rawmidi ports (/dev/midiX and /dev/amidiX) will be sent out of the corresponding sequencer port, and vice versa. HTH Clemens From atte.jensen at gmail.com Thu May 4 04:03:30 2006 From: atte.jensen at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Atte_Andr=E9_Jensen?=) Date: Thu May 4 04:03:38 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] evolution uc-16 In-Reply-To: <20060502084059.GC18807@turing.informatik.uni-halle.de> References: <57843.AQACVQlWDHk=.1146477237.squirrel@webmail.no-log.org> <20060502084059.GC18807@turing.informatik.uni-halle.de> Message-ID: <4459B552.2040006@gmail.com> Clemens Ladisch wrote: >>i use the alsa drivers compiled as kernel modules. could it be the reason >>that it can't work? > This should not make any difference. Really, I had some problems that vanished when I compiled things as modules. AFAIR is was something with ordering of the different cards, for instance I want my USB soundcard to show up as card #1 and they keyboards to get #2 - #4 regardless of what is plugged in when. Maybe something changed since I had these problems or maybe I remember wrong. -- peace, love & harmony Atte http://www.atte.dk | quartet: http://www.anagrammer.dk http://www.atte.dk/gps | compositions: http://www.atte.dk/compositions From atte.jensen at gmail.com Thu May 4 04:05:01 2006 From: atte.jensen at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Atte_Andr=E9_Jensen?=) Date: Thu May 4 04:05:10 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] evolution uc-16 In-Reply-To: <200605032114.08954.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> References: <57843.AQACVQlWDHk=.1146477237.squirrel@webmail.no-log.org> <57174.AQACVQlWDHk=.1146657688.squirrel@webmail.no-log.org> <13364.VwMBDl4GCy8=.1146683435.squirrel@webmail.no-log.org> <200605032114.08954.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> Message-ID: <4459B5AD.1070706@gmail.com> Nigel Henry wrote: > Hi. 2.6.14, and the non revised 2.6.15 kernels had problems with usb audio, > but later revisions of the 2.6.15 should be ok. Nigel. I'm on 2.6.15.6 here and it works fine: [atte@aarhus new]$ uname -r 2.6.15.6-rt21 -- peace, love & harmony Atte http://www.atte.dk | quartet: http://www.anagrammer.dk http://www.atte.dk/gps | compositions: http://www.atte.dk/compositions From fbar at footils.org Thu May 4 06:50:53 2006 From: fbar at footils.org (Frank Barknecht) Date: Thu May 4 06:50:53 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] The MySpace terms for content In-Reply-To: <44590EB4.1070803@chapelperilous.net> References: <4459075D.4000808@chapelperilous.net> <20060503205754.7b0be48d@office> <44590C34.1080803@chapelperilous.net> <44590DA2.9010009@sonaural.com> <44590EB4.1070803@chapelperilous.net> Message-ID: <20060504105053.GB2505@fliwatut.scifi> Hallo, Brett McCoy hat gesagt: // Brett McCoy wrote: > Brad Fuller wrote: > >Can you indicate how it violates the Creative Commons terms? > > It depends on the terms... I have selected the non-commercial > distribution terms, which means no modifying, public performance, etc., > without permission. Myspace's terms specifically say they can modify, > publicly perform, etc.... I guess it's really not a violation, but it's > kind of sneaky that posting content to the site automatically grants > them the license... bet a lot of people didn't even realize they are > giving permission implicitly when they upload files to the site. If MySpace or whoever is hosting your music, then of course they need to be given the right to do just that: distribute your music through their website. If MySpace is ad-funded, they are a commercial company and are basically using the music hosted there in a commercial way: to get people to view their website and the advertisments shown there. But nobody forced you to upload your music to their site, they didn't upload it on their own and so I don't quite see, how MySpace did something wrong? Or didn't they have ads when you uploaded? Ah, the wonders of Creative Commons' "non-commercial" clause... Ciao -- Frank Barknecht _ ______footils.org_ __goto10.org__ From cesare at poeticstudios.com Thu May 4 10:27:54 2006 From: cesare at poeticstudios.com (Cesare Marilungo) Date: Thu May 4 08:28:15 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] The MySpace terms for content In-Reply-To: <20060504105053.GB2505@fliwatut.scifi> References: <4459075D.4000808@chapelperilous.net> <20060503205754.7b0be48d@office> <44590C34.1080803@chapelperilous.net> <44590DA2.9010009@sonaural.com> <44590EB4.1070803@chapelperilous.net> <20060504105053.GB2505@fliwatut.scifi> Message-ID: <445A0F6A.8000005@poeticstudios.com> Frank Barknecht wrote: > >Ah, the wonders of Creative Commons' "non-commercial" clause... > > > Good point Frank. IANAL, but Creative Commons nc-licenses says that music released with it cannot be used commercially without permission. By uploading your music on myspace or whatever and signing their agreement you're giving them this permission. So there's no contradiction. And no risks at all, IMHO. Artist that are still publishing their music with a record label should be more concerned, and this is true even for most of the so-called independent labels. It's not uncommon that niche artists that sold no more than 5000-10000 copies of each album in the past can't publish their *own* music on the web because the music isn't their anymore. Ciao, c. -- www.cesaremarilungo.com From tech at glastonburymusic.org.uk Thu May 4 08:56:07 2006 From: tech at glastonburymusic.org.uk (tim hall) Date: Thu May 4 08:56:20 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Smack 0.3 Released. In-Reply-To: <200605031053.03969.lau@kudla.org> References: <200605031113.28221.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> <200605031053.03969.lau@kudla.org> Message-ID: <200605041356.07768.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> On Wednesday 03 May 2006 15:53, Rob was like: > On Wed May 3 2006 06:13, tim hall wrote: > > Compare the phrases "Now I'm going to teach you how to use a > > GIMP mask" and "Those drums would sound better on smack". I'm > > being deliberately ironic here, but my serious point is how do > > they make you feel? > > I had a lover who was a heroin addict and contracted HIV through > shared needles and later died. ?(No, I'm not trolling or being > facetious; I just don't have time to write how it affected me or > how my life changed.) ?Nonetheless, "smack" still means "the > sound something makes when you hit it" to me, and not "street > term for heroin." ? > > I think it's a fine name. ?(I don't feel that way about the > Gimp.) ?Maybe if we get some other people whose lives have been > impacted by heroin to chime in, the question will be settled > quickly one way or the other. OK, so I'm out on a limb here. It's just that the only colloquial usage of the word 'smack' round these parts is drug abuse and violence. Perhaps I've just seen too much of both. I know full well what GIMP means, but I find it mildly amusing, perhaps because I'm naive when it comes to s&m. It is entirely up to the developer what they call their software, I'm not going to get all righteous about it, because that _would_ be nuts. However it is an issue that I feel strongly enough about to be moved to post something. Mostly I wanted to check that you were aware of colloquial usage. I understand that the Rolls-Royce Silver Mist was renamed because it didn't sound so good in German. Now I know that the issue has been considered I will keep my peace. Thanks for your passionate replies!-) -- cheers, tim hall http://glastonburymusic.org.uk/tim From ivalladolidt at terra.es Thu May 4 09:33:20 2006 From: ivalladolidt at terra.es (Ismael Valladolid Torres) Date: Thu May 4 09:33:37 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Smack 0.3 Released. In-Reply-To: <200605041356.07768.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> References: <200605031113.28221.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> <200605031053.03969.lau@kudla.org> <200605041356.07768.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> Message-ID: <20060504133320.GA1404@spma33> tim hall escribe: > I understand that the Rolls-Royce Silver Mist was renamed because it > didn't sound so good in German. What does "Silver Mist" mean in german? In Spain, another car, the Mitsubishi Pajero, was renamed as Montero. In spanish, "pajero" means "wanker", or somebody who masturbates obsessively. Nevertheless I would not mind having a car with such a funny name... > Thanks for your passionate replies!-) We were just wanking, ups! :) Cordially, Ismael -- Ismael Valladolid Torres OpenPGP key ID: 0xDE721AF4 [^[$B$?$S$?$S$9$_$^$;$s^[(B] Jabber ID: ivalladt@jabberes.org http://lamediahostia.blogspot.com =?iso-2022-jp?B?GyJE0hREjAGyhC?= -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 188 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://music.columbia.edu/pipermail/linux-audio-user/attachments/20060504/d535fa26/attachment.bin From hans at fugal.net Thu May 4 09:36:49 2006 From: hans at fugal.net (Hans Fugal) Date: Thu May 4 09:37:12 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] The MySpace terms for content In-Reply-To: <20060504105053.GB2505@fliwatut.scifi> References: <4459075D.4000808@chapelperilous.net> <20060503205754.7b0be48d@office> <44590C34.1080803@chapelperilous.net> <44590DA2.9010009@sonaural.com> <44590EB4.1070803@chapelperilous.net> <20060504105053.GB2505@fliwatut.scifi> Message-ID: <20060504133649.GA879@falcon.fugal.net> On Thu, 4 May 2006 at 12:50 +0200, Frank Barknecht wrote: > Ah, the wonders of Creative Commons' "non-commercial" clause... Ignoring the other points, do remember that you are free to give MySpace or anyone else permission to host/upload/perform/whatever your music even after you have licensed it under a cc non-commercial license. You are free to sell it to someone as traditional music, give it away to someone else with tighter or looser restrictions than the cc non-commercial license, etc. In short, YOU are not bound by the CC non-commercial clause (or any other) just because YOU released it previously that way. You are simply bound by your end of the bargain, e.g. don't sue people if they follow the license you released it under. This of course gets complicated if other people contributed (need their permission), or if it's a derivative work based on other cc-licensed stuff, but you knew that. -- Hans Fugal ; http://hans.fugal.net There's nothing remarkable about it. All one has to do is hit the right keys at the right time and the instrument plays itself. -- Johann Sebastian Bach -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 191 bytes Desc: Digital signature Url : http://music.columbia.edu/pipermail/linux-audio-user/attachments/20060504/756e0a91/attachment.bin From georg.holzmann at student.kug.ac.at Thu May 4 10:40:16 2006 From: georg.holzmann at student.kug.ac.at (Georg Holzmann) Date: Thu May 4 09:39:53 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Smack 0.3 Released. In-Reply-To: <20060504133320.GA1404@spma33> References: <200605031113.28221.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> <200605031053.03969.lau@kudla.org> <200605041356.07768.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> <20060504133320.GA1404@spma33> Message-ID: <445A1250.1070001@student.kug.ac.at> Hallo! > What does "Silver Mist" mean in german? "mist" means crap, bullshit, or something like that ... ;) LG Georg From tech at glastonburymusic.org.uk Thu May 4 09:48:35 2006 From: tech at glastonburymusic.org.uk (tim hall) Date: Thu May 4 09:48:44 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] The MySpace terms for content In-Reply-To: <445A0F6A.8000005@poeticstudios.com> References: <4459075D.4000808@chapelperilous.net> <20060504105053.GB2505@fliwatut.scifi> <445A0F6A.8000005@poeticstudios.com> Message-ID: <200605041448.35586.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> On Thursday 04 May 2006 15:27, Cesare Marilungo was like: > IANAL, but Creative Commons nc-licenses says that music released with it > cannot be used commercially without permission. > > By uploading your music on myspace or whatever and signing their > agreement you're giving them this permission. So there's no > contradiction. And no risks at all, IMHO. For once I shall agree with you. The point that Frank makes is also very good. Most websites that carry music have to make some kind of license agreement that allows them to put the stuff on their site in the first place. So Brett, in this instance would be agreeing that both himself and Myspace can make money out of his music, but no-one else can. His license to Myspace expired when that material was removed. On the face of it that is not so bad. However, Myspace do seem to have stretched the agreement so they can do pretty much as they like. And ... would you trust a man named Murdoch? > Artist that are still publishing their music with a record label should > be more concerned, and this is true even for most of the so-called > independent labels. It's not uncommon that niche artists that sold no > more than ?5000-10000 copies of each album in the past can't publish > their *own* music on the web because the music isn't their anymore. Absolutely. I have watched a couple of friends go through that one. At the time I thought they were getting a lucky break. One came back after three years of staring at hotel ceilings, shook my hand and said "You did the right thing." It's nice to get a little reassurance once in a while. ;) -- cheers, tim hall http://glastonburymusic.org.uk/tim From idragosani at chapelperilous.net Thu May 4 09:51:15 2006 From: idragosani at chapelperilous.net (Brett McCoy) Date: Thu May 4 09:51:25 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] The MySpace terms for content In-Reply-To: <200605041448.35586.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> References: <4459075D.4000808@chapelperilous.net> <20060504105053.GB2505@fliwatut.scifi> <445A0F6A.8000005@poeticstudios.com> <200605041448.35586.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> Message-ID: <445A06D3.9090408@chapelperilous.net> tim hall wrote: > For once I shall agree with you. The point that Frank makes is also very good. > Most websites that carry music have to make some kind of license agreement > that allows them to put the stuff on their site in the first place. So Brett, > in this instance would be agreeing that both himself and Myspace can make > money out of his music, but no-one else can. His license to Myspace expired > when that material was removed. On the face of it that is not so bad. > However, Myspace do seem to have stretched the agreement so they can do > pretty much as they like. And ... would you trust a man named Murdoch? Who is this Murdoch guy anyway? -- Brett -- Brett McCoy: Programmer by Day, Guitarist by Night http://www.alhazred.com http://www.cassandrasyndrome.com http://www.revelmoon.com From tech at glastonburymusic.org.uk Thu May 4 10:03:59 2006 From: tech at glastonburymusic.org.uk (tim hall) Date: Thu May 4 10:04:10 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] The MySpace terms for content In-Reply-To: <445A06D3.9090408@chapelperilous.net> References: <4459075D.4000808@chapelperilous.net> <200605041448.35586.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> <445A06D3.9090408@chapelperilous.net> Message-ID: <200605041503.59751.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> On Thursday 04 May 2006 14:51, Brett McCoy was like: > Who is this Murdoch guy anyway? If that wasn't supposed to be ironic, have a Google for Rupert Murdoch. else: Yeah right. !-D -- cheers, tim hall http://glastonburymusic.org.uk/tim We are the people we've been waiting for. From idragosani at chapelperilous.net Thu May 4 10:08:42 2006 From: idragosani at chapelperilous.net (Brett McCoy) Date: Thu May 4 10:08:52 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] The MySpace terms for content In-Reply-To: <200605041503.59751.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> References: <4459075D.4000808@chapelperilous.net> <200605041448.35586.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> <445A06D3.9090408@chapelperilous.net> <200605041503.59751.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> Message-ID: <445A0AEA.1030905@chapelperilous.net> tim hall wrote: > On Thursday 04 May 2006 14:51, Brett McCoy was like: >> Who is this Murdoch guy anyway? > > If that wasn't supposed to be ironic, have a Google for Rupert Murdoch. > else: Yeah right. !-D Oh, *that* Murdoch. *retches* -- Brett McCoy: Programmer by Day, Guitarist by Night http://www.alhazred.com http://www.cassandrasyndrome.com http://www.revelmoon.com From tech at glastonburymusic.org.uk Thu May 4 10:48:43 2006 From: tech at glastonburymusic.org.uk (tim hall) Date: Thu May 4 10:48:53 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] The MySpace terms for content In-Reply-To: <445A0AEA.1030905@chapelperilous.net> References: <4459075D.4000808@chapelperilous.net> <200605041503.59751.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> <445A0AEA.1030905@chapelperilous.net> Message-ID: <200605041548.43867.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> On Thursday 04 May 2006 15:08, Brett McCoy was like: > tim hall wrote: > > On Thursday 04 May 2006 14:51, Brett McCoy was like: > >> Who is this Murdoch guy anyway? > > > > If that wasn't supposed to be ironic, have a Google for Rupert Murdoch. > > else: Yeah right. !-D > > Oh, *that* Murdoch. *retches* Exactly. -- cheers, tim hall http://glastonburymusic.org.uk/tim We are the people We've been waiting for. From bigwavedave at gmail.com Thu May 4 12:32:33 2006 From: bigwavedave at gmail.com (Big Wave Dave) Date: Thu May 4 12:32:39 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] "KarmaPod" page back online... In-Reply-To: References: <8e124f160605021328m2f54aaa7q177829e7f099244a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <8e124f160605040932x6f0d99daiad5f6f7653ee584b@mail.gmail.com> I actually had built something fairly similar a few years back (obvious from the hardware inside it): http://www.godgeek.com/images/top_rack.jpg http://www.godgeek.com/images/bottom_rack.jpg Basically made up of: -ST Audio DSP2000 C-Port -ST Audio ADC III -Custom Built CPU (Intel 1.6Ghz) -Behringer 8 Channel Tube Warmth -Alesis MidiVerb4 -Alesis 3630 Compressor / Limiter -Ultramizer Pro I built it using Windows... since Linux support wasn't great at the time. I'm in the process of getting back into the hobby and have been researching putting Linux on it (hence why I'm on the list). While the processor doesn't sound like much... it was plenty to record 8 channels at once. I've recently purchased more hardware to pump it up to the max 32 channels... which will likely require me to upgrade the CPU... and plan more on the hard drive scenario. The main difference between our setups is that I built mine to be portable... but not necessarily as rugged (shock mounting). Just figured I'd share.... Dave On 5/3/06, David O'Toole wrote: > > Hi folks, > > Sorry about the "quota exceeded" messages you may have got. I've > temporarily moved the KarmaPod images to another server, so the > following URL should work now: > > http://dto.freeshell.org/notebook/KarmaPod.html > > > You shouldn't notice any glitches, but let me know if you do. > > > > "Big Wave Dave" writes: > > > On 5/2/06, David O'Toole wrote: > >> > >> Hey out there LAU-ers, > >> > >> I'd like to make a little announcement for a fun custom hardware box I > >> built specially for PlanetCCRMA, PureData, and Ardour usage. > >> > >> I'm sharing my experiences building and configuring such machines, in > >> the hopes that it will help create a community of people who swap tips > >> and configuration info to help each other be the most productive (and > >> most creative) with their Linux Audio Workstations. > >> > >> More details and photos at http://dto.freeshell.org/notebook/KarmaPod.html > >> > >> -- > >> Dave O'Toole > >> dto@gnu.org From hardbop200 at gmail.com Thu May 4 12:43:54 2006 From: hardbop200 at gmail.com (Josh Lawrence) Date: Thu May 4 12:43:59 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] My MIDI latency is crap Message-ID: Hey all, So I sat down last night to do a little sequencing with my Roland RD-700SX. Since Rosegarden was giving me fits, I jumped over to MusE, got everything setup, and started trying to play. The latency was awful. I'm curious what I'm doing wrong...here's a quick rundown on what I have going: Ubuntu 6.06 Dapper, using the default kernel (I wonder if this is it? Does MIDI latency depend on having a preemptable kernel?) Jack wasn't running, I was doing all of the MIDI connections via MusE. Finally, I was connecting the RD directly to my computer via the USB port for my MIDI interface. aconnect recognized it just fine. My guess is that, somehow, good MIDI latency somehow depends on having a preemptable kernel running, but that is just a guess. Or maybe I need to be making all of my MIDI connections via jack? Normally I wouldn't pester the list with something like this, but I have to have this sequence done tonight. I didn't adequately test my new setup prior to committing to having this done, so I'm kinda in a pinch. Any direction you can give me on troubleshooting this would be appreciated. Thanks, Josh -- Josh Lawrence http://www.hardbop200.com From cezar at mixandgo.ro Thu May 4 08:33:25 2006 From: cezar at mixandgo.ro (cezar@mixandgo.ro) Date: Thu May 4 12:48:20 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] linux audio interface Message-ID: <87bquenf56.fsf@mixandgo.ro> Hello list, I'd like to hear some recommendations about buying a 100% linux supported audio board. I own a M-Audio Firewire 410 and I am thinking to sell it cause I cannot use it with linux. I saw a few posts about M-Audio Delta 1010 and (in my opinion) is the best choice but I would like some opinions with the following scenario: 1. Price is not an issue. 2. Don't want additional gear like ADATs, just a working audio interface. 3. I/O ports >= 2 4. Mobility would be nice (for laptop) but not necessary. 5. Minimum 16bit / 44Khz. 6. MIDI is necessary and also lowest latency possible. (which I don't know what it is on linux) Thanks ! From sunnan at handgranat.org Thu May 4 12:57:15 2006 From: sunnan at handgranat.org (Sunnan) Date: Thu May 4 12:57:31 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Smack 0.3 Released. In-Reply-To: <200605041356.07768.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> References: <200605031113.28221.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> <200605031053.03969.lau@kudla.org> <200605041356.07768.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> Message-ID: <445A326B.9000305@handgranat.org> tim hall wrote: >OK, so I'm out on a limb here. It's just that the only colloquial usage of the >word 'smack' round these parts is drug abuse and violence. Perhaps I've just >seen too much of both. I know full well what GIMP means, but I find it mildly >amusing, perhaps because I'm naive when it comes to s&m. > Gimp is not only an S&M term for a submissive in a leather suit; it's also a historical synonym for a person with crippled legs. I think it's a horrible name and I've often taken steps to pronounce the acronym fully; e.g. "GNU Image Manipulation Program". I love the program, by the way. I've must've used it over a thousand times by now. Smack would've been a better name if it weren't for the less ambiguous slogan; "A new fetish in Linux audio". YMMV on all above topics, of course. Sunnan From hardbop200 at gmail.com Thu May 4 13:14:09 2006 From: hardbop200 at gmail.com (Josh Lawrence) Date: Thu May 4 13:14:18 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] linux audio interface In-Reply-To: <87bquenf56.fsf@mixandgo.ro> References: <87bquenf56.fsf@mixandgo.ro> Message-ID: On 5/4/06, cezar@mixandgo.ro wrote: > 3. I/O ports >= 2 > 4. Mobility would be nice (for laptop) but not necessary. You might look at the Edirol UA-25. I don't personally own it, but have heard a lot of good reports from people who are using it. 100% supported in Linux AFAIK, but you may want to confirm that with someone that actually owns one. As for PCI cards, you are on the right track - M-Audio's line of stuff is generally considered to be a "no hassle" solution. Delta 1010, 44, 66, etc. are great options. I personally have the Delta 44, and have had absolutely no problems with it. -- Josh Lawrence http://www.hardbop200.com From clemens at ladisch.de Thu May 4 13:22:26 2006 From: clemens at ladisch.de (Clemens Ladisch) Date: Thu May 4 13:22:50 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] evolution uc-16 In-Reply-To: <4459B552.2040006@gmail.com> References: <57843.AQACVQlWDHk=.1146477237.squirrel@webmail.no-log.org> <20060502084059.GC18807@turing.informatik.uni-halle.de> <4459B552.2040006@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20060504172226.GB26321@turing.informatik.uni-halle.de> Atte Andr? Jensen wrote: > Clemens Ladisch wrote: > >>i use the alsa drivers compiled as kernel modules. could it be the reason > >>that it can't work? > >This should not make any difference. > > Really, I had some problems that vanished when I compiled things as > modules. AFAIR is was something with ordering of the different cards, > for instance I want my USB soundcard to show up as card #1 and they > keyboards to get #2 - #4 regardless of what is plugged in when. When modules are compiled in the kernel, their options are not longer read from /etc/modprobe.conf but must be passed on the kernel command line. HTH Clemens From link at sumerianbabyl.com Thu May 4 13:45:15 2006 From: link at sumerianbabyl.com (Link Swanson) Date: Thu May 4 13:45:22 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] linux audio interface In-Reply-To: References: <87bquenf56.fsf@mixandgo.ro> Message-ID: <26874.64.8.162.146.1146764715.squirrel@www.sumerianbabyl.com> >> 3. I/O ports >= 2 >> 4. Mobility would be nice (for laptop) but not necessary. Delta 44 is a great card - "No hassle" indeed! I moved up to RME's Multiface II which is an awesome 8-input card. It has the option of a PCMCIA interface, too, so mobility is possible. Beware of $$$ on this one though. Link From clemens at ladisch.de Thu May 4 14:04:42 2006 From: clemens at ladisch.de (Clemens Ladisch) Date: Thu May 4 14:05:08 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Serial midi trouble In-Reply-To: <20060503174755.GA6975@reus> References: <20060503174755.GA6975@reus> Message-ID: <20060504180442.GI26321@turing.informatik.uni-halle.de> Gerrit Niestijl wrote: > I am having some problems connecting my Roland XP-30 synth through the > serial port. I can send midi data from the synth to the computer (eg > record them with seq24) and i can send midi data from the computer to the > synth (eg play the synth with vkeybd). But i as soon as i connect the > serial midi input with the serial midi output (the synth has its 'local' > set to 'off') and hit a note on the synth there appears to be a feedback > loop, because an endless amount of midi notes is being generated, flooding > my synth. Apparently, the synth has "MIDI Through" or something like this enabled. HTH Clemens From esa.linna at kolumbus.fi Thu May 4 14:29:06 2006 From: esa.linna at kolumbus.fi (Esa Linna) Date: Thu May 4 14:25:51 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Live CD's you can dock Message-ID: <445A47F2.7020903@kolumbus.fi> Dyne:bolic live CD has a wonderful option, where you can just copy the files of distribution to another partition and add it to LILO - it is called "docking". Extremely handy since you don't have to install it any other way to hard disk, and it's safe too. Too bad that latest beta of Dyne:bolic doesn't recognize my wireless keyboard & mouse. But can you do that (docking) with other live CD's? From gn at hetnet.nl Thu May 4 14:28:29 2006 From: gn at hetnet.nl (Gerrit Niestijl) Date: Thu May 4 14:28:42 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Serial midi trouble In-Reply-To: <20060504180442.GI26321@turing.informatik.uni-halle.de> References: <20060503174755.GA6975@reus> <20060504180442.GI26321@turing.informatik.uni-halle.de> Message-ID: <20060504182829.GB9850@reus> On Thu, May 04, 2006 at 08:04:42PM +0200, Clemens Ladisch wrote: > Gerrit Niestijl wrote: > > I am having some problems connecting my Roland XP-30 synth through the > > serial port. I can send midi data from the synth to the computer (eg > > record them with seq24) and i can send midi data from the computer to the > > synth (eg play the synth with vkeybd). But i as soon as i connect the > > serial midi input with the serial midi output (the synth has its 'local' > > set to 'off') and hit a note on the synth there appears to be a feedback > > loop, because an endless amount of midi notes is being generated, flooding > > my synth. > > Apparently, the synth has "MIDI Through" or something like this enabled. Hm, that does not seem to be the case. When i connect the synth with the same settings to a harware sequencer (through midi cables) everything works like expected. -- gerrit From cezar at mixandgo.ro Thu May 4 14:28:13 2006 From: cezar at mixandgo.ro (cezar@mixandgo.ro) Date: Thu May 4 14:28:48 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: linux audio interface References: <87bquenf56.fsf@mixandgo.ro> <26874.64.8.162.146.1146764715.squirrel@www.sumerianbabyl.com> Message-ID: <87ac9x8x1e.fsf@mixandgo.ro> could you be more specific ? what's the latency ? "Link Swanson" writes: >>> 3. I/O ports >= 2 >>> 4. Mobility would be nice (for laptop) but not necessary. > > > > Delta 44 is a great card - "No hassle" indeed! > > I moved up to RME's Multiface II which is an awesome 8-input card. It has > the option of a PCMCIA interface, too, so mobility is possible. Beware of > $$$ on this one though. > > > Link From larsl at users.sourceforge.net Thu May 4 14:32:57 2006 From: larsl at users.sourceforge.net (Lars Luthman) Date: Thu May 4 14:33:04 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Live CD's you can dock In-Reply-To: <445A47F2.7020903@kolumbus.fi> References: <445A47F2.7020903@kolumbus.fi> Message-ID: <1146767577.7952.8.camel@localhost> On Thu, 2006-05-04 at 21:29 +0300, Esa Linna wrote: > Dyne:bolic live CD has a wonderful option, where you can just copy the > files of distribution to another partition and add it to LILO - it is > called "docking". Extremely handy since you don't have to install it any > other way to hard disk, and it's safe too. Too bad that latest beta of > Dyne:bolic doesn't recognize my wireless keyboard & mouse. > > But can you do that (docking) with other live CD's? I think almost all live CDs can do that. I played a bit with Knoppix a while ago and I'm pretty sure all Knoppix derivatives can. -- Lars Luthman PGP key: http://www.student.nada.kth.se/~d00-llu/pgp_key.php Fingerprint: FCA7 C790 19B9 322D EB7A E1B3 4371 4650 04C7 7E2E -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Too bad that latest beta of >> Dyne:bolic doesn't recognize my wireless keyboard & mouse. >> >> But can you do that (docking) with other live CD's? >> > > I think almost all live CDs can do that. I played a bit with Knoppix a > while ago and I'm pretty sure all Knoppix derivatives can. > > Thanks! Any tips - what files should I copy ? -- ----------------------- http://www.emvg.net/esa http://www.emvg.net ----------------------- From larsl at users.sourceforge.net Thu May 4 14:43:31 2006 From: larsl at users.sourceforge.net (Lars Luthman) Date: Thu May 4 14:43:39 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Live CD's you can dock In-Reply-To: <445A4B4C.7070006@kolumbus.fi> References: <445A47F2.7020903@kolumbus.fi> <1146767577.7952.8.camel@localhost> <445A4B4C.7070006@kolumbus.fi> Message-ID: <1146768211.7952.10.camel@localhost> On Thu, 2006-05-04 at 21:43 +0300, Esa Linna wrote: > Lars Luthman kirjoitti: > > On Thu, 2006-05-04 at 21:29 +0300, Esa Linna wrote: > > > >> Dyne:bolic live CD has a wonderful option, where you can just copy the > >> files of distribution to another partition and add it to LILO - it is > >> called "docking". Extremely handy since you don't have to install it any > >> other way to hard disk, and it's safe too. Too bad that latest beta of > >> Dyne:bolic doesn't recognize my wireless keyboard & mouse. > >> > >> But can you do that (docking) with other live CD's? > >> > > > > I think almost all live CDs can do that. I played a bit with Knoppix a > > while ago and I'm pretty sure all Knoppix derivatives can. > > > > > Thanks! > > Any tips - what files should I copy ? The ones I have seen come with a program to do the hard disk installation for you. I don't remember what it's called though. -- Lars Luthman PGP key: http://www.student.nada.kth.se/~d00-llu/pgp_key.php Fingerprint: FCA7 C790 19B9 322D EB7A E1B3 4371 4650 04C7 7E2E -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 191 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part Url : http://music.columbia.edu/pipermail/linux-audio-user/attachments/20060504/64323585/attachment.bin From lau at kudla.org Thu May 4 14:54:32 2006 From: lau at kudla.org (Rob) Date: Thu May 4 14:54:44 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Smack 0.3 Released. In-Reply-To: <200605041356.07768.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> References: <200605031053.03969.lau@kudla.org> <200605041356.07768.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> Message-ID: <200605041454.32856.lau@kudla.org> On Thu May 4 2006 08:56, tim hall wrote: > know full well what GIMP means, but I find it mildly amusing, > perhaps because I'm naive when it comes to s&m. It is entirely Where I'm sitting, "gimp" is an insulting term for a handicapped person, and only became a BDSM related term after the movie Pulp Fiction had a character by that name. It'd be like calling a KDE image editor "kike". (Don't know if that's a naughty word over there too, but it is here.) I think no matter what collection of vowels and consonants you put together, sooner or later it's going to upset somebody. Rob From esa.linna at kolumbus.fi Thu May 4 15:42:41 2006 From: esa.linna at kolumbus.fi (Esa Linna) Date: Thu May 4 15:39:26 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Live CD's you can dock In-Reply-To: <1146768211.7952.10.camel@localhost> References: <445A47F2.7020903@kolumbus.fi> <1146767577.7952.8.camel@localhost> <445A4B4C.7070006@kolumbus.fi> <1146768211.7952.10.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <445A5931.9000001@kolumbus.fi> >> >> Any tips - what files should I copy ? >> > > The ones I have seen come with a program to do the hard disk > installation for you. I don't remember what it's called though. > I am not talking about program that installs it in the hard disk. Docking: "Dyne:bolic solves the problem of istallation in a very simple way: there is no installation! you simply copy a directory and this is called "docking". In dyne:bolic this only consists of copying one directory from the CD to the harddisk, you don't need to change anything of your partition, just copy a directory in it: drag the dyne/ folder from the CD on the icon of your harddisk, that's it! And of course, when you want to uninstall the dock is as easy: just delete the /dyne directory in your harddisk!" http://dynebolic.org/manual/dynebolic-x140.en.html http://lab.dyne.org/Docking This is extremely handy, and I am a little paranoid with hard disk install programs since I don't want to back up my data too often... -- ----------------------- http://www.emvg.net/esa http://www.emvg.net ----------------------- From lau at kudla.org Thu May 4 16:14:45 2006 From: lau at kudla.org (Rob) Date: Thu May 4 17:18:43 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Smack 0.3 Released. In-Reply-To: <445A326B.9000305@handgranat.org> References: <200605041356.07768.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> <445A326B.9000305@handgranat.org> Message-ID: <200605041614.45853.lau@kudla.org> On Thu May 4 2006 12:57, Sunnan wrote: > Smack would've been a better name if it weren't for the less > ambiguous slogan; "A new fetish in Linux audio". OK, I wasn't aware of its slogan. I have to admit that "smack" as in "the sound of something broad and flat hitting flesh" doesn't have the negative connotations for me that it might have for other people, either. Rob From bourdon at kabelfoon.net Thu May 4 17:31:43 2006 From: bourdon at kabelfoon.net (Bert Visser) Date: Thu May 4 17:31:37 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Live CD's you can dock In-Reply-To: <445A5931.9000001@kolumbus.fi> References: <445A47F2.7020903@kolumbus.fi> <1146767577.7952.8.camel@localhost> <445A4B4C.7070006@kolumbus.fi> <1146768211.7952.10.camel@localhost> <445A5931.9000001@kolumbus.fi> Message-ID: <445A72BF.5030302@kabelfoon.net> Esa Linna schreef: > >>> >>> Any tips - what files should I copy ? >>> >> >> The ones I have seen come with a program to do the hard disk >> installation for you. I don't remember what it's called though. >> > I am not talking about program that installs it in the hard disk. > Docking: > > "Dyne:bolic solves the problem of istallation in a very simple way: > there is no installation! you simply copy a directory and this is > called "docking". > In dyne:bolic this only consists of copying one directory from the CD > to the harddisk, you don't need to change anything of your partition, > just copy a directory in it: drag the dyne/ folder from the CD on the > icon of your harddisk, that's it! > And of course, when you want to uninstall the dock is as easy: just > delete the /dyne directory in your harddisk!" > > http://dynebolic.org/manual/dynebolic-x140.en.html > http://lab.dyne.org/Docking > > This is extremely handy, and I am a little paranoid with hard disk > install programs since I don't want to back up my data too often... > > Musix GNU+Linux has the option to copy the entire CD to the harddisk (like all knoppix derivates; cheatcode: tohd=/dev/hda1 for example) and boot from there; no need to install anything but to boot (just the initial part) you will need the CD (with cheatcode: fromhd=/dev/hda1 or whatever). I use a separate partition (on my machine /dev/hdb5) for this and it works great. All the details are on the CD under Boot options. regards, Bert From christhemonkey at gmail.com Thu May 4 17:38:19 2006 From: christhemonkey at gmail.com (chris beagles) Date: Thu May 4 17:38:29 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Live CD's you can dock In-Reply-To: <445A72BF.5030302@kabelfoon.net> References: <445A47F2.7020903@kolumbus.fi> <1146767577.7952.8.camel@localhost> <445A4B4C.7070006@kolumbus.fi> <1146768211.7952.10.camel@localhost> <445A5931.9000001@kolumbus.fi> <445A72BF.5030302@kabelfoon.net> Message-ID: <79eea87e0605041438r78113107q4d9de3f59cf46b1b@mail.gmail.com> Ubuntu's soon to be released Dapper Drake has a live CD with an option to install from the CD. ( ithink). It is still in the late beta testing stage atm though. On 5/4/06, Bert Visser wrote: > Esa Linna schreef: > > > >>> > >>> Any tips - what files should I copy ? > >>> > >> > >> The ones I have seen come with a program to do the hard disk > >> installation for you. I don't remember what it's called though. > >> > > I am not talking about program that installs it in the hard disk. > > Docking: > > > > "Dyne:bolic solves the problem of istallation in a very simple way: > > there is no installation! you simply copy a directory and this is > > called "docking". > > In dyne:bolic this only consists of copying one directory from the CD > > to the harddisk, you don't need to change anything of your partition, > > just copy a directory in it: drag the dyne/ folder from the CD on the > > icon of your harddisk, that's it! > > And of course, when you want to uninstall the dock is as easy: just > > delete the /dyne directory in your harddisk!" > > > > http://dynebolic.org/manual/dynebolic-x140.en.html > > http://lab.dyne.org/Docking > > > > This is extremely handy, and I am a little paranoid with hard disk > > install programs since I don't want to back up my data too often... > > > > > Musix GNU+Linux has the option to copy the entire CD to the harddisk > (like all knoppix derivates; cheatcode: tohd=/dev/hda1 for example) and > boot from there; no need to install anything but to boot (just the > initial part) you will need the CD (with cheatcode: fromhd=/dev/hda1 or > whatever). I use a separate partition (on my machine /dev/hdb5) for this > and it works great. All the details are on the CD under Boot options. > > regards, > Bert > From drobilla at connect.carleton.ca Thu May 4 18:58:19 2006 From: drobilla at connect.carleton.ca (Dave Robillard) Date: Thu May 4 17:43:25 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Smack 0.3 Released. In-Reply-To: <200605041454.32856.lau@kudla.org> References: <200605031053.03969.lau@kudla.org> <200605041356.07768.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> <200605041454.32856.lau@kudla.org> Message-ID: <1146783499.3272.10.camel@DaveLap> On Thu, 2006-05-04 at 14:54 -0400, Rob wrote: > On Thu May 4 2006 08:56, tim hall wrote: > > know full well what GIMP means, but I find it mildly amusing, > > perhaps because I'm naive when it comes to s&m. It is entirely > > Where I'm sitting, "gimp" is an insulting term for a handicapped > person, and only became a BDSM related term after the movie Pulp > Fiction had a character by that name. It'd be like calling a > KDE image editor "kike". (Don't know if that's a naughty word > over there too, but it is here.) > > I think no matter what collection of vowels and consonants you > put together, sooner or later it's going to upset somebody. The fact that a word which happens to be the street name for a drug is considered "offensive" in this thread is completely ridiculous - especially since it's glaringly obvious (being DRUMS) that it's referring to a sound. Lighten up, people. Anyway, it's Loki's project, he can name it whatever he wants. I'll call my next project CrackCocaine if I damn well want to. ;) -DR- From renatoftato at yahoo.com Thu May 4 17:49:00 2006 From: renatoftato at yahoo.com (Renato Fabbri) Date: Thu May 4 17:49:06 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] linux audio interface In-Reply-To: <26874.64.8.162.146.1146764715.squirrel@www.sumerianbabyl.com> Message-ID: <20060504214900.97858.qmail@web52307.mail.yahoo.com> Yes, I had a Delta 1010, now I am using a Delta 66. They are simply great. --- Link Swanson wrote: > > >> 3. I/O ports >= 2 > >> 4. Mobility would be nice (for laptop) but not > necessary. > > > > Delta 44 is a great card - "No hassle" indeed! > > I moved up to RME's Multiface II which is an awesome > 8-input card. It has > the option of a PCMCIA interface, too, so mobility > is possible. Beware of > $$$ on this one though. > > > Link > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From ce at christeck.de Thu May 4 18:08:02 2006 From: ce at christeck.de (Christoph Eckert) Date: Thu May 4 18:06:21 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] LAC2006 Photos In-Reply-To: <445980FE.7050000@schwaben.de> References: <200605011816.44731.ce@christeck.de> <44568047.4050201@gmail.com> <445980FE.7050000@schwaben.de> Message-ID: <200605050008.03082.ce@christeck.de> > Excuse me, can't find the link for the photos. May somebody post it > again? http://christeck.de/stuff/LAC2006.tar.gz Best regards ce From ce at christeck.de Thu May 4 18:10:19 2006 From: ce at christeck.de (Christoph Eckert) Date: Thu May 4 18:08:36 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] LAC2006 Photos In-Reply-To: <200605031534.25984.carotinobg@yahoo.it> References: <200605011816.44731.ce@christeck.de> <4458685F.3050202@jensgulden.de> <200605031534.25984.carotinobg@yahoo.it> Message-ID: <200605050010.19643.ce@christeck.de> > Well, we call them "krafen" (don't worry about the spelling), and we > do have them in bakeries:) that's what it's called in Bavaria :) . Best regards, ce From a at gaydenko.com Thu May 4 18:16:27 2006 From: a at gaydenko.com (Andrew Gaydenko) Date: Thu May 4 18:19:28 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] LAC2006 Photos In-Reply-To: <200605050008.03082.ce@christeck.de> References: <200605011816.44731.ce@christeck.de> <445980FE.7050000@schwaben.de> <200605050008.03082.ce@christeck.de> Message-ID: <200605050216.28013@goldspace.net> ======= On Friday 05 May 2006 02:08, Christoph Eckert wrote: ======= > Excuse me, can't find the link for the photos. May somebody post it > again? http://christeck.de/stuff/LAC2006.tar.gz Best regards ce ===================================================== Thanks! It's very interesting! And.. will anybody be so brave to add some comments to the photos? We must know our heroes :-) Andrew From fons.adriaensen at skynet.be Thu May 4 18:47:03 2006 From: fons.adriaensen at skynet.be (fons adriaensen) Date: Thu May 4 18:39:35 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] LAC2006 Photos In-Reply-To: <200605050010.19643.ce@christeck.de> References: <200605011816.44731.ce@christeck.de> <4458685F.3050202@jensgulden.de> <200605031534.25984.carotinobg@yahoo.it> <200605050010.19643.ce@christeck.de> Message-ID: <20060504224703.GF5292@linux-1> On Fri, May 05, 2006 at 12:10:19AM +0200, Christoph Eckert wrote: > > Well, we call them "krafen" (don't worry about the spelling), and we > > do have them in bakeries:) > > that's what it's called in Bavaria :) . Here in Belgium a 'Berlijnse bol' (Berlin ball) is a *very* sweet thing of spherical shape sold in some bakeries. In fact it's so _sickingly_ sweet that it must be more than 30 years since I ate one of them.... -- FA Follie! Follie! Delirio vano e' questo! From cesare at poeticstudios.com Thu May 4 20:51:49 2006 From: cesare at poeticstudios.com (Cesare Marilungo) Date: Thu May 4 18:51:58 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] linux audio interface In-Reply-To: <87bquenf56.fsf@mixandgo.ro> References: <87bquenf56.fsf@mixandgo.ro> Message-ID: <445AA1A5.8030501@poeticstudios.com> cezar@mixandgo.ro wrote: >Hello list, > > I'd like to hear some recommendations about buying a 100% linux supported >audio board. I own a M-Audio Firewire 410 and I am thinking to sell it cause I >cannot use it with linux. > I saw a few posts about M-Audio Delta 1010 and (in my opinion) is the best >choice but I would like some opinions with the following scenario: > > 1. Price is not an issue. > > Good for you! :-) > 2. Don't want additional gear like ADATs, just a working audio interface. > 3. I/O ports >= 2 > 4. Mobility would be nice (for laptop) but not necessary. > 5. Minimum 16bit / 44Khz. > 6. MIDI is necessary and also lowest latency possible. (which I don't know > what it is on linux) > >Thanks ! > > > > > I'm really happy with my Edirol UA-25. http://www.roland.com/products/en/_support/dld.cfm?ln=en&dsp=0&iCncd=526 Latency could be set as low as 5.8ms (2.9ms in +2.9ms out) if the CPU load of the session your're working on is not too heavy. Recording quality is superb, at least to my ears. c. -- www.cesaremarilungo.com From ce at christeck.de Thu May 4 18:55:26 2006 From: ce at christeck.de (Christoph Eckert) Date: Thu May 4 18:53:51 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] linux audio interface In-Reply-To: <445AA1A5.8030501@poeticstudios.com> References: <87bquenf56.fsf@mixandgo.ro> <445AA1A5.8030501@poeticstudios.com> Message-ID: <200605050055.26418.ce@christeck.de> > I'm really happy with my Edirol UA-25. Seconded. Best regards ce From b0ef at esben-stien.name Fri May 5 00:56:14 2006 From: b0ef at esben-stien.name (Esben Stien) Date: Thu May 4 22:58:09 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Smack 0.3 Released. In-Reply-To: <1146783499.3272.10.camel@DaveLap> (Dave Robillard's message of "Thu, 04 May 2006 18:58:19 -0400") References: <200605031053.03969.lau@kudla.org> <200605041356.07768.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> <200605041454.32856.lau@kudla.org> <1146783499.3272.10.camel@DaveLap> Message-ID: <87bqud6pe9.fsf@esben-stien.name> Dave Robillard writes: > I call my next project CrackCocaine if I damn well want to. ;) ;) -- Esben Stien is b0ef@e s a http://www. s t n m irc://irc. b - i . e/%23contact [sip|iax]: e e jid:b0ef@ n n From rlrevell at joe-job.com Fri May 5 00:48:48 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Fri May 5 00:48:56 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] My MIDI latency is crap In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1146804529.18891.7.camel@mindpipe> On Thu, 2006-05-04 at 11:43 -0500, Josh Lawrence wrote: > So I sat down last night to do a little sequencing with my Roland > RD-700SX. Since Rosegarden was giving me fits, I jumped over to MusE, > got everything setup, and started trying to play. The latency was > awful. I'm curious what I'm doing wrong...here's a quick rundown on > what I have going: > The latency between what and what? Playing the keyboard, using the seq to play back a midi file...? Please explain exactly what you're doing. > Ubuntu 6.06 Dapper, using the default kernel (I wonder if this is it? > Does MIDI latency depend on having a preemptable kernel?) > > Jack wasn't running, I was doing all of the MIDI connections via MusE. > > Finally, I was connecting the RD directly to my computer via the USB > port for my MIDI interface. aconnect recognized it just fine. > What's the "RD"? Lee From rlrevell at joe-job.com Fri May 5 00:57:04 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Fri May 5 00:57:10 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Mastering without mastering In-Reply-To: <20060503212921.0e88cf70@acme.acmenet> References: <200605031005.09020.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> <20060503212921.0e88cf70@acme.acmenet> Message-ID: <1146805025.18891.12.camel@mindpipe> On Wed, 2006-05-03 at 21:29 -0300, luis jure wrote: > i have no idea who mark kramer might be (although i suspect saying this > will make people wonder what i'm doing on this list...) He is best known by me for producing all the Galaxie 500 records ;-) Lee From mista.tapas at gmx.net Fri May 5 04:34:28 2006 From: mista.tapas at gmx.net (Florian Paul Schmidt) Date: Fri May 5 04:34:37 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] linux audio interface In-Reply-To: <445AA1A5.8030501@poeticstudios.com> References: <87bquenf56.fsf@mixandgo.ro> <445AA1A5.8030501@poeticstudios.com> Message-ID: <20060505103428.0e761509@mango.fruits> On Fri, 05 May 2006 00:51:49 +0000 Cesare Marilungo wrote: > > 6. MIDI is necessary and also lowest latency possible. (which I don't know > > what it is on linux) > I'm really happy with my Edirol UA-25. > > http://www.roland.com/products/en/_support/dld.cfm?ln=en&dsp=0&iCncd=526 > > Latency could be set as low as 5.8ms (2.9ms in +2.9ms out) if the CPU > load of the session your're working on is not too heavy. Just as a sidenote: On a -rt system, which is properly setup (irq and app priorities) and a delta 44/66/1010 you can use periodsizes down to 8 frames. 8 frames at a samplerate of 48000 corresponds to a (roundtrip) latency of 2 * (8/48000) = 0.0003333. sec = 0.3333... ms While context switching overhead gets really huge it is in principle possible to get ridicously low latency (you really don't want to use a periodsize of 8 frames though. Even jack idle load is around 20-30% with that setting -> ugh). Operation with 32 or 64 frames per period is possible without problems at all. I don't think this is possible with USB hardware, and i have no idea whether it's possible with firewire hardware. The delta card i use is a PCI card and i suppose in principle the same should be possible with a pcmcia card (which is afaik just a pci bus in disguise). Have fun, Flo -- Palimm Palimm! http://tapas.affenbande.org From tech at glastonburymusic.org.uk Fri May 5 04:38:53 2006 From: tech at glastonburymusic.org.uk (tim hall) Date: Fri May 5 04:39:01 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Mastering without mastering In-Reply-To: <1146805025.18891.12.camel@mindpipe> References: <20060503212921.0e88cf70@acme.acmenet> <1146805025.18891.12.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <200605050938.54075.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> On Friday 05 May 2006 05:57, Lee Revell was like: > On Wed, 2006-05-03 at 21:29 -0300, luis jure wrote: > > i have no idea who mark kramer might be (although i suspect saying this > > will make people wonder what i'm doing on this list...) > > He is best known by me for producing all the Galaxie 500 records ;-) Heh. Butthole Surfers too and I'm wracking my brains for the name of his 'solo'(ish) project. Also worked with Bill Laswell & Material briefly. I wouldn't have expected many people to be that familiar with his work. I believe he uses an extremely old 15 channel desk that you have to kick occasionally to get working. Ah, pure genius. ;) -- cheers, tim hall http://glastonburymusic.org.uk/tim We are the people We've been waiting for. From ernst at pulsewidth.ca Fri May 5 04:51:07 2006 From: ernst at pulsewidth.ca (Ernie Dulanowsky) Date: Fri May 5 04:51:12 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Mastering without mastering In-Reply-To: <200605050938.54075.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> References: <20060503212921.0e88cf70@acme.acmenet> <1146805025.18891.12.camel@mindpipe> <200605050938.54075.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> Message-ID: <321dfa6a0605050151g349bbb10ica3ef20f2d51bccd@mail.gmail.com> If this is the same Mark Kramer I'm thinking of, then he participated in a band called Bongwater with -the actor Ann Magnusson, producing such epics as 'The Power Of pussy' and 'The Big Sell-Out' cheers, ernst On 5/5/06, tim hall wrote: > On Friday 05 May 2006 05:57, Lee Revell was like: > > On Wed, 2006-05-03 at 21:29 -0300, luis jure wrote: > > > i have no idea who mark kramer might be (although i suspect saying this > > > will make people wonder what i'm doing on this list...) > > > > He is best known by me for producing all the Galaxie 500 records ;-) > > Heh. Butthole Surfers too and I'm wracking my brains for the name of > his 'solo'(ish) project. Also worked with Bill Laswell & Material briefly. I > wouldn't have expected many people to be that familiar with his work. > > I believe he uses an extremely old 15 channel desk that you have to kick > occasionally to get working. Ah, pure genius. ;) > -- > cheers, > > tim hall > http://glastonburymusic.org.uk/tim > We are the people We've been waiting for. > -- "Both Rob and I see sound as shapes. I only have to do this (makes a fist) and he knows what sound I mean". - Autechre ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: Ernie Dulanowsky CCNA CWLSS www.pulsewidth.ca >> test_tones on www.cjtr.ca << From tech at glastonburymusic.org.uk Fri May 5 04:58:04 2006 From: tech at glastonburymusic.org.uk (tim hall) Date: Fri May 5 04:58:14 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Smack 0.3 Released. In-Reply-To: <200605041454.32856.lau@kudla.org> References: <200605041356.07768.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> <200605041454.32856.lau@kudla.org> Message-ID: <200605050958.04638.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> On Thursday 04 May 2006 19:54, Rob was like: > Where I'm sitting, "gimp" is an insulting term for a handicapped > person, I didn't know that. > and only became a BDSM related term after the movie Pulp > Fiction had a character by that name. ? I'm sure the bdsm context has been around longer than that. > It'd be like calling a > KDE image editor "kike". ?(Don't know if that's a naughty word > over there too, but it is here.) Naughty? Huh? The word Kike is downright offensive in any context. > I think no matter what collection of vowels and consonants you > put together, sooner or later it's going to upset somebody. My original point was not about whether there was anything naughty or offensive about the word 'smack'. I don't do moral outrage generally. I was merely pointing out that it had put me off trying out some possibly excellent software because of its connotations. OK, I'll just call my next album 'Crap songs I wrote when I was depressed' if it doesn't matter. -- cheers, tim hall http://glastonburymusic.org.uk/tim We are the people We've been waiting for. From tech at glastonburymusic.org.uk Fri May 5 05:30:02 2006 From: tech at glastonburymusic.org.uk (tim hall) Date: Fri May 5 05:30:12 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Mastering without mastering In-Reply-To: <321dfa6a0605050151g349bbb10ica3ef20f2d51bccd@mail.gmail.com> References: <200605050938.54075.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> <321dfa6a0605050151g349bbb10ica3ef20f2d51bccd@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200605051030.03027.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> On Friday 05 May 2006 09:51, Ernie Dulanowsky was like: > If this is the same Mark Kramer I'm thinking of, then he participated > in a band called Bongwater with -the actor Ann Magnusson, producing > such epics as 'The Power Of pussy' and 'The Big Sell-Out' Thanks Ernie, that's the one. :) -- cheers, tim hall http://glastonburymusic.org.uk/tim We are the people We've been waiting for. From cezar at mixandgo.ro Fri May 5 05:47:51 2006 From: cezar at mixandgo.ro (cezar@mixandgo.ro) Date: Fri May 5 05:48:07 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: linux audio interface References: <87bquenf56.fsf@mixandgo.ro> <445AA1A5.8030501@poeticstudios.com> <20060505103428.0e761509@mango.fruits> Message-ID: <87y7xg9514.fsf@mixandgo.ro> I have 8ms on M-Audio FW 410 on windows, and It's ok ! for playin keys So the Ediroll board sounds ok (I guess) being portable also Florian Paul Schmidt writes: > On Fri, 05 May 2006 00:51:49 +0000 > Cesare Marilungo wrote: > >> > 6. MIDI is necessary and also lowest latency possible. (which I don't know >> > what it is on linux) > >> I'm really happy with my Edirol UA-25. >> >> http://www.roland.com/products/en/_support/dld.cfm?ln=en&dsp=0&iCncd=526 >> >> Latency could be set as low as 5.8ms (2.9ms in +2.9ms out) if the CPU >> load of the session your're working on is not too heavy. > > Just as a sidenote: On a -rt system, which is properly setup (irq and > app priorities) and a delta 44/66/1010 you can use periodsizes down to 8 > frames. 8 frames at a samplerate of 48000 corresponds to a (roundtrip) > latency of > > 2 * (8/48000) = 0.0003333. sec = 0.3333... ms > > While context switching overhead gets really huge it is in principle > possible to get ridicously low latency (you really don't want to use a > periodsize of 8 frames though. Even jack idle load is around 20-30% with > that setting -> ugh). > > Operation with 32 or 64 frames per period is possible without problems > at all. > > I don't think this is possible with USB hardware, and i have no idea > whether it's possible with firewire hardware. > > The delta card i use is a PCI card and i suppose in principle the same > should be possible with a pcmcia card (which is afaik just a pci bus in > disguise). > > Have fun, > Flo > > -- > Palimm Palimm! > http://tapas.affenbande.org From ce at christeck.de Fri May 5 07:17:24 2006 From: ce at christeck.de (Christoph Eckert) Date: Fri May 5 07:15:58 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] LAC2006 Photos In-Reply-To: <200605011816.44731.ce@christeck.de> References: <200605011816.44731.ce@christeck.de> Message-ID: <200605051317.25141.ce@christeck.de> Hi, as of request, I've just modified some of the filenames to give you a clue who some of the people are. Location same as before: http://christeck.de/stuff/LAC2006.tar.gz Will be up in half an hour. Best regards ce From ivalladolidt at terra.es Fri May 5 07:39:33 2006 From: ivalladolidt at terra.es (Ismael Valladolid Torres) Date: Fri May 5 07:39:50 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Smack 0.3 Released. In-Reply-To: <200605041454.32856.lau@kudla.org> References: <200605031053.03969.lau@kudla.org> <200605041356.07768.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> <200605041454.32856.lau@kudla.org> Message-ID: <20060505113933.GB2160@spma33> Rob escribe: > It'd be like calling a KDE image editor "kike". (Don't know if > that's a naughty word over there too, but it is here.) In Spain, "kike" is diminutive for people called "enrique", an affective way to call them. Some software names are not upsetting but simply stupid. "Windows" is one of them, but maybe also "Linux". "BSD" sounds like a drug, doesn't it? :) Cordially, Ismael -- Ismael Valladolid Torres OpenPGP key ID: 0xDE721AF4 [^[$B$?$S$?$S$9$_$^$;$s^[(B] Jabber ID: ivalladt@jabberes.org http://lamediahostia.blogspot.com =?iso-2022-jp?B?GyJE0hREjAGyhC?= From ivalladolidt at terra.es Fri May 5 07:41:03 2006 From: ivalladolidt at terra.es (Ismael Valladolid Torres) Date: Fri May 5 07:41:19 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Smack 0.3 Released. In-Reply-To: <200605050958.04638.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> References: <200605041356.07768.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> <200605041454.32856.lau@kudla.org> <200605050958.04638.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> Message-ID: <20060505114103.GC2160@spma33> tim hall escribe: > OK, I'll just call my next album 'Crap songs I wrote when I > was depressed' if it doesn't matter. It's Morrisey lurking this list!? Amazing! Cordially, Ismael -- Ismael Valladolid Torres OpenPGP key ID: 0xDE721AF4 [^[$B$?$S$?$S$9$_$^$;$s^[(B] Jabber ID: ivalladt@jabberes.org http://lamediahostia.blogspot.com =?iso-2022-jp?B?GyJE0hREjAGyhC?= From ivalladolidt at terra.es Fri May 5 07:43:57 2006 From: ivalladolidt at terra.es (Ismael Valladolid Torres) Date: Fri May 5 07:44:06 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Serial midi trouble In-Reply-To: <20060504182829.GB9850@reus> References: <20060503174755.GA6975@reus> <20060504180442.GI26321@turing.informatik.uni-halle.de> <20060504182829.GB9850@reus> Message-ID: <20060505114357.GD2160@spma33> Gerrit Niestijl escribe: > On Thu, May 04, 2006 at 08:04:42PM +0200, Clemens Ladisch wrote: > > Gerrit Niestijl wrote: > > > I am having some problems connecting my Roland XP-30 synth through the > > > serial port. I can send midi data from the synth to the computer (eg > > > record them with seq24) and i can send midi data from the computer to the > > > synth (eg play the synth with vkeybd). But i as soon as i connect the > > > serial midi input with the serial midi output (the synth has its 'local' > > > set to 'off') and hit a note on the synth there appears to be a feedback > > > loop, because an endless amount of midi notes is being generated, flooding > > > my synth. > > > > Apparently, the synth has "MIDI Through" or something like this enabled. > > Hm, that does not seem to be the case. When i connect the synth with the > same settings to a harware sequencer (through midi cables) everything > works like expected. > I think it could help trying MIDI connectors and not the serial cable. I remember having MIDI problems with a Roland XP-30 connected to my computer via SB-Live MIDI connectors that were solved simply using a better MIDI interface. The XP-30 sends soooo many aftertouch events --this can be configured, though! Cordially, Ismael -- Ismael Valladolid Torres OpenPGP key ID: 0xDE721AF4 [^[$B$?$S$?$S$9$_$^$;$s^[(B] Jabber ID: ivalladt@jabberes.org http://lamediahostia.blogspot.com =?iso-2022-jp?B?GyJE0hREjAGyhC?= From hardbop200 at gmail.com Fri May 5 09:28:03 2006 From: hardbop200 at gmail.com (Josh Lawrence) Date: Fri May 5 09:28:09 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] My MIDI latency is crap In-Reply-To: <1146804529.18891.7.camel@mindpipe> References: <1146804529.18891.7.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: On 5/4/06, Lee Revell wrote: > The latency between what and what? Playing the keyboard, using the seq > to play back a midi file...? Please explain exactly what you're doing. Okay, you're right, should have been more specific. I have the local turned off on my keyboard, so that when I play a note on the keyboard, the MIDI signal passes through MusE, and back to my keyboard's sound generator. The latency I'm referring to is the time between pressing a key on my keyboard and hearing the actual sound. It's a pretty bad lag. > What's the "RD"? Roland RD-700SX, my keyboard/MIDI controller. -- Josh Lawrence http://www.hardbop200.com From groups at xscd.com Fri May 5 10:37:44 2006 From: groups at xscd.com (Steve D) Date: Fri May 5 10:37:58 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] homemade music--notated score In-Reply-To: <20060504064333.GV3941@xscd.com> References: <20060504064333.GV3941@xscd.com> Message-ID: <20060505143744.GU4349@xscd.com> On Thu, May 04, 2006 at 12:43:33AM -0600, Steve D wrote: > Some time ago I mentioned a recording I made, playing one of my recent > piano compositions, "Arabesque 1"-- > > http://www.xscd.com/pub/music/audio/ogg/steve-doonan_arabesque-1.ogg > > I had begun to work on the notated score of the piece at that time, > using the excellent program LilyPond-- > [...] Since I posted the note above, yesterday, I rewrote the terribly messy and confusing Moderato section of the piano score at measure 51 - 62 of "Arabesque 1" (thank you, Gavin for your comments and help :-) The new version, which may be the final draft or very close to it, replaced the files at the same location: Arabesque 1 (work for piano) A4 paper size http://www.xscd.com/pub/music/scores__notation/pdf/paper_a4/stephen-doonan_arabesque-1_a4.pdf US "letter" paper size http://www.xscd.com/pub/music/scores__notation/pdf/paper_letter/stephen-doonan_arabesque-1_letter.pdf Best wishes all, -Steve D New Mexico, US -- ---------------------------------------------------------------- Common sense in an uncommon degree is what the world calls wisdom. -Samuel Coleridge (1772-1834) ---------------------------------------------------------------- From cesare at poeticstudios.com Fri May 5 13:00:03 2006 From: cesare at poeticstudios.com (Cesare Marilungo) Date: Fri May 5 11:00:16 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: linux audio interface In-Reply-To: <87y7xg9514.fsf@mixandgo.ro> References: <87bquenf56.fsf@mixandgo.ro> <445AA1A5.8030501@poeticstudios.com> <20060505103428.0e761509@mango.fruits> <87y7xg9514.fsf@mixandgo.ro> Message-ID: <445B8493.8090307@poeticstudios.com> In fact I don't think you can achieve lower latency with an USB card. Anyway if you play a softsynth (like the great ZynAddSubFx, or Om) with a midi keyboard, the sum of the latency of the softsynth (that you can adjust by setting the buffer size) plus the interface ->out latency (~3ms with the UA-25), you'll have the same or even less delay (from pressing the key to hearing the sound) that you'll get on an hardware digital synth (6-8ms, AFAIK). When you need to record an external source you can also use the direct monitor (available on the UA-25). cezar@mixandgo.ro wrote: >I have 8ms on M-Audio FW 410 on windows, and It's ok ! for playin keys > >So the Ediroll board sounds ok (I guess) being portable also > >Florian Paul Schmidt writes: > > > >>On Fri, 05 May 2006 00:51:49 +0000 >>Cesare Marilungo wrote: >> >> >> >>>>6. MIDI is necessary and also lowest latency possible. (which I don't know >>>> what it is on linux) >>>> >>>> >>>I'm really happy with my Edirol UA-25. >>> >>>http://www.roland.com/products/en/_support/dld.cfm?ln=en&dsp=0&iCncd=526 >>> >>>Latency could be set as low as 5.8ms (2.9ms in +2.9ms out) if the CPU >>>load of the session your're working on is not too heavy. >>> >>> >>Just as a sidenote: On a -rt system, which is properly setup (irq and >>app priorities) and a delta 44/66/1010 you can use periodsizes down to 8 >>frames. 8 frames at a samplerate of 48000 corresponds to a (roundtrip) >>latency of >> >>2 * (8/48000) = 0.0003333. sec = 0.3333... ms >> >>While context switching overhead gets really huge it is in principle >>possible to get ridicously low latency (you really don't want to use a >>periodsize of 8 frames though. Even jack idle load is around 20-30% with >>that setting -> ugh). >> >>Operation with 32 or 64 frames per period is possible without problems >>at all. >> >>I don't think this is possible with USB hardware, and i have no idea >>whether it's possible with firewire hardware. >> >>The delta card i use is a PCI card and i suppose in principle the same >>should be possible with a pcmcia card (which is afaik just a pci bus in >>disguise). >> >>Have fun, >>Flo >> >>-- >>Palimm Palimm! >>http://tapas.affenbande.org >> >> > > > > > c. -- www.cesaremarilungo.com From rlrevell at joe-job.com Fri May 5 11:08:56 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Fri May 5 11:09:04 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] SOLVED - was Re: [Alsa-user] VxPocket and hotplug - need help getting it working In-Reply-To: <20060317083348.GC32182@stud.ntnu.no> References: <20060314110256.GA26047@stud.ntnu.no> <20060314145233.GA14443@stud.ntnu.no> <1142357467.13256.135.camel@mindpipe> <20060315140313.GA16222@stud.ntnu.no> <20060317083348.GC32182@stud.ntnu.no> Message-ID: <1146841737.20878.5.camel@mindpipe> On Fri, 2006-03-17 at 09:33 +0100, Asbj?rn S?b? wrote: > On Wed, Mar 15, 2006 at 03:16:02PM +0100, Takashi Iwai wrote: > > At Wed, 15 Mar 2006 15:03:13 +0100, > > [...] > > > > OK, I have installed DeMuDi 1.3.0rc1, which has kernel 2.6.14, and alsa > > > version 1.0.10. > > > > Still way too old to debug... > > What is too old, the kernel, alsa or both? We got this working at LAC. Did not have time to methodically debug it (we ended up changing several kernel config options) but I think the critical one was to enable CONFIG_ISAPNP. Is it an ALSA bug that the driver compiled but failed silently if this was missing? Lee From denisfalqueto at gmail.com Fri May 5 11:37:27 2006 From: denisfalqueto at gmail.com (Denis Alessandro Altoe Falqueto) Date: Fri May 5 11:37:34 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Smack 0.3 Released. In-Reply-To: <20060505113933.GB2160@spma33> References: <200605031053.03969.lau@kudla.org> <200605041356.07768.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> <200605041454.32856.lau@kudla.org> <20060505113933.GB2160@spma33> Message-ID: On 5/5/06, Ismael Valladolid Torres wrote: > Rob escribe: > > It'd be like calling a KDE image editor "kike". (Don't know if > > that's a naughty word over there too, but it is here.) > > In Spain, "kike" is diminutive for people called "enrique", an > affective way to call them. > I was tempted to say this many times before in this thread, but was a little shy: in brazilian portuguese, the pronounce of Khagan means plainly defacating, in coloquial speak. I have nothing against it, let that be clear! But the first time I read it in the announce message, I lol and thought what Loki would say if he knew that... Well, now he knows... :-) Hi, Loki, you are a great maker of names!!! -- ------------------------------------------- Denis A. Altoe Falqueto ------------------------------------------- From rlrevell at joe-job.com Fri May 5 11:55:53 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Fri May 5 11:56:15 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] My MIDI latency is crap In-Reply-To: References: <1146804529.18891.7.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <1146844554.21322.1.camel@mindpipe> On Fri, 2006-05-05 at 08:28 -0500, Josh Lawrence wrote: > On 5/4/06, Lee Revell wrote: > > The latency between what and what? Playing the keyboard, using the seq > > to play back a midi file...? Please explain exactly what you're doing. > > Okay, you're right, should have been more specific. I have the local > turned off on my keyboard, so that when I play a note on the keyboard, > the MIDI signal passes through MusE, and back to my keyboard's sound > generator. The latency I'm referring to is the time between pressing > a key on my keyboard and hearing the actual sound. It's a pretty bad > lag. > > > What's the "RD"? > > Roland RD-700SX, my keyboard/MIDI controller. What is HZ set to in your kernel config? Lee From sonicx_ at gmx.net Fri May 5 12:19:59 2006 From: sonicx_ at gmx.net (SoNicX) Date: Fri May 5 12:20:12 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] audio-dvd and linux In-Reply-To: <4436C683.5090904@sonaural.com> References: <4436BA5E.4020102@sonaural.com> <1144437783.22490.79.camel@mindpipe> <4436C683.5090904@sonaural.com> Message-ID: <200605051819.59615.sonicx_@gmx.net> so, i bought myself a bunch of fine advds. they all say 24/96 inside, but for some reason theres only 24/48 sound, which is also supposed to be on these disks. my sound system itself is setup properly and usually plays 24/96 quite fine, flacs for example. i think the 24/96 files are those residing in the AUDIO_TS dir of those dvds. it seems that this is the audiodvd portion, the rest is thought to be 24/48. but well i cant find a way to play those damn *.AOB files (some mpeg format). xine just keeps quiet. if anybody has some experience with this, maybe that person couild give me a hint, maybe theres a special advd playerr out there which i just havent found yet. i thought bout using ffmpeg to get the audio out of these files, but it seems to get only 16/48 out of this files, which feels entirely wrong. as there is no 16 bit sound supposed to be on these disks. it feels like i am not able to grasp the problem in its wholeness. heeeeeeelp please =) mfg jonas From rlrevell at joe-job.com Fri May 5 12:57:00 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Fri May 5 12:57:21 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] audio-dvd and linux In-Reply-To: <200605051819.59615.sonicx_@gmx.net> References: <4436BA5E.4020102@sonaural.com> <1144437783.22490.79.camel@mindpipe> <4436C683.5090904@sonaural.com> <200605051819.59615.sonicx_@gmx.net> Message-ID: <1146848220.3098.18.camel@mindpipe> On Fri, 2006-05-05 at 18:19 +0200, SoNicX wrote: > so, i bought myself a bunch of fine advds. they all say 24/96 inside, but for > some reason theres only 24/48 sound, which is also supposed to be on these > disks. my sound system itself is setup properly and usually plays 24/96 quite > fine, flacs for example. i think the 24/96 files are those residing in the > AUDIO_TS dir of those dvds. it seems that this is the audiodvd portion, the > rest is thought to be 24/48. but well i cant find a way to play those damn > *.AOB files (some mpeg format). xine just keeps quiet. if anybody has some > experience with this, maybe that person couild give me a hint, maybe theres a > special advd playerr out there which i just havent found yet. i thought bout > using ffmpeg to get the audio out of these files, but it seems to get only > 16/48 out of this files, which feels entirely wrong. as there is no 16 bit > sound supposed to be on these disks. it feels like i am not able to grasp the > problem in its wholeness. heeeeeeelp please =) Isn't ADVD a proprietary DRM'ed format? Lee From cesare at poeticstudios.com Fri May 5 15:19:20 2006 From: cesare at poeticstudios.com (Cesare Marilungo) Date: Fri May 5 13:19:31 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] audio-dvd and linux In-Reply-To: <200605051819.59615.sonicx_@gmx.net> References: <4436BA5E.4020102@sonaural.com> <1144437783.22490.79.camel@mindpipe> <4436C683.5090904@sonaural.com> <200605051819.59615.sonicx_@gmx.net> Message-ID: <445BA538.6050701@poeticstudios.com> SoNicX wrote: >so, i bought myself a bunch of fine advds. they all say 24/96 inside, but for >some reason theres only 24/48 sound, which is also supposed to be on these >disks. my sound system itself is setup properly and usually plays 24/96 quite >fine, flacs for example. i think the 24/96 files are those residing in the >AUDIO_TS dir of those dvds. it seems that this is the audiodvd portion, the >rest is thought to be 24/48. but well i cant find a way to play those damn >*.AOB files (some mpeg format). xine just keeps quiet. if anybody has some >experience with this, maybe that person couild give me a hint, maybe theres a >special advd playerr out there which i just havent found yet. i thought bout >using ffmpeg to get the audio out of these files, but it seems to get only >16/48 out of this files, which feels entirely wrong. as there is no 16 bit >sound supposed to be on these disks. it feels like i am not able to grasp the >problem in its wholeness. heeeeeeelp please =) >mfg >jonas > > > > Try the tools on this page: http://rarewares.org/others.html They're compiled for Win32 (some include source), but being command line tools they should work under Wine without problems. c. -- www.cesaremarilungo.com From hardbop200 at gmail.com Fri May 5 13:32:56 2006 From: hardbop200 at gmail.com (Josh Lawrence) Date: Fri May 5 13:33:05 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] My MIDI latency is crap In-Reply-To: <1146844554.21322.1.camel@mindpipe> References: <1146804529.18891.7.camel@mindpipe> <1146844554.21322.1.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: On 5/5/06, Lee Revell wrote: > What is HZ set to in your kernel config? This is a new term to me. What does HZ mean, and how do I grep for it in my kernel config? -- Josh Lawrence http://www.hardbop200.com From rzewnickie at rfa.org Fri May 5 13:41:25 2006 From: rzewnickie at rfa.org (Eric Dantan Rzewnicki) Date: Fri May 5 13:41:39 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] My MIDI latency is crap In-Reply-To: References: <1146804529.18891.7.camel@mindpipe> <1146844554.21322.1.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <20060505174124.GA5858@rfa.org> On Fri, May 05, 2006 at 12:32:56PM -0500, Josh Lawrence wrote: > On 5/5/06, Lee Revell wrote: > > What is HZ set to in your kernel config? > > This is a new term to me. What does HZ mean, and how do I grep for it > in my kernel config? grep HZ CONFIG_HZ_1000=y CONFIG_HZ=1000 -- Eric Dantan Rzewnicki Apprentice Linux Audio Developer and Mostly Harmless Sysadmin (text below this line mandated by management) Technical Operations Division | Radio Free Asia 2025 M Street, NW | Washington, DC 20036 | 202-530-4900 CONFIDENTIAL COMMUNICATION This e-mail message is intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. Any unauthorized dissemination, distribution, or copying is strictly prohibited. If you receive this transmission in error, please contact network@rfa.org. From rlrevell at joe-job.com Fri May 5 13:44:25 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Fri May 5 13:44:48 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] My MIDI latency is crap In-Reply-To: References: <1146804529.18891.7.camel@mindpipe> <1146844554.21322.1.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <1146851065.10662.33.camel@mindpipe> On Fri, 2006-05-05 at 12:32 -0500, Josh Lawrence wrote: > On 5/5/06, Lee Revell wrote: > > What is HZ set to in your kernel config? > > This is a new term to me. What does HZ mean, and how do I grep for it > in my kernel config? It's the kernel's internal tick rate and will determine the best achievable MIDI output latency. The default changed from 1000 (1ms ticks) to 250 (2.5 ms ticks) around 2.6.12, over the objections of the linux audio community. grep HZ /boot/config-`uname -r` or zgrep HZ /proc/config.gz if you have those files. It should be 1000 for optimal MIDI latency. I actually discussed this with Joachim from the MuSE team at LAC - we need a way for applications that need a low latency capable kernel to discover whether the kernel is good enough. One option would be to simply make MuSE depend on a "known good for audio" kernel in the package manager which is probably too aggressive, and not reliable enough. A better solution would be to have a simple, user friendly app that does a latency test and reports the results, and if a problem is found would recommend that the user upgrade the kernel, change some config options or file a bug report with their distro. Unfortunately it's a tricky problem, as you can see there's not even a distro independent way to check the kernel config. Lee From plutek at infinity.net Fri May 5 14:00:03 2006 From: plutek at infinity.net (plutek) Date: Fri May 5 14:00:09 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] lost user access to alsa Message-ID: <20060505140003.56dbd562@localhost> greetings! i'm using a laptop with ubuntu dapper, 2.6.15 kernel (with ingo's patch), alsa 1.0.10, and jackd 0.100.0. this system was working flawlessly with with both the onboard soundcard and my RME Multiface, with realtime access as user, until a recent install of some dvd-playing apps. now, when i try to bring up jack *as user* i get: --------------------------- |~: /usr/bin/jackd -R -m -dalsa -r44100 -p128 -n2 -D -Chw:1,0 -Phw:1,0 jackd 0.100.0 Copyright 2001-2005 Paul Davis and others. jackd comes with ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY This is free software, and you are welcome to redistribute it under certain conditions; see the file COPYING for details JACK compiled with System V SHM support. loading driver .. apparent rate = 44100 creating alsa driver ... hw:1,0|hw:1,0|128|2|44100|0|0|nomon|swmeter|-|32bit control device hw:1 ALSA lib confmisc.c:1107:(snd_func_refer) Unable to find definition 'defaults.pcm.subdevice' ALSA lib conf.c:3493:(_snd_config_evaluate) function snd_func_refer returned error: No such file or directory ALSA lib conf.c:3951:(snd_config_expand) Args evaluate error: No such file or directory ALSA lib pcm.c:2102:(snd_pcm_open_noupdate) Unknown PCM hw:1,0 ALSA lib confmisc.c:1107:(snd_func_refer) Unable to find definition 'defaults.pcm.subdevice' ALSA lib conf.c:3493:(_snd_config_evaluate) function snd_func_refer returned error: No such file or directory ALSA lib conf.c:3951:(snd_config_expand) Args evaluate error: No such file or directory ALSA lib pcm.c:2102:(snd_pcm_open_noupdate) Unknown PCM hw:1,0 ALSA: Cannot open PCM device alsa_pcm for playback. Falling back to capture-only mode cannot load driver module alsa Segmentation fault ------------------------------- the same command line *as root* works fine. i don't know what has changed.... can someone help me sort this out? many thanks in advance! .pltk. From plutek at infinity.net Fri May 5 14:09:09 2006 From: plutek at infinity.net (plutek) Date: Fri May 5 14:09:16 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] lost user access to alsa In-Reply-To: <20060505140003.56dbd562@localhost> References: <20060505140003.56dbd562@localhost> Message-ID: <20060505140909.13d95c29@localhost> On Fri, 5 May 2006 14:00:03 -0400 plutek wrote: > greetings! > > i'm using a laptop with ubuntu dapper, 2.6.15 kernel (with ingo's patch), alsa 1.0.10, and jackd 0.100.0. > > this system was working flawlessly with with both the onboard soundcard and my RME Multiface, with realtime access as user, until a recent install of some dvd-playing apps. now, when i try to bring up jack *as user* i get: > > --------------------------- > |~: /usr/bin/jackd -R -m -dalsa -r44100 -p128 -n2 -D -Chw:1,0 -Phw:1,0 > jackd 0.100.0 > Copyright 2001-2005 Paul Davis and others. > jackd comes with ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY > This is free software, and you are welcome to redistribute it > under certain conditions; see the file COPYING for details > > JACK compiled with System V SHM support. > loading driver .. > apparent rate = 44100 > creating alsa driver ... hw:1,0|hw:1,0|128|2|44100|0|0|nomon|swmeter|-|32bit > control device hw:1 > ALSA lib confmisc.c:1107:(snd_func_refer) Unable to find definition 'defaults.pcm.subdevice' > ALSA lib conf.c:3493:(_snd_config_evaluate) function snd_func_refer returned error: No such file or > directory ALSA lib conf.c:3951:(snd_config_expand) Args evaluate error: No such file or directory > ALSA lib pcm.c:2102:(snd_pcm_open_noupdate) Unknown PCM hw:1,0 > ALSA lib confmisc.c:1107:(snd_func_refer) Unable to find definition 'defaults.pcm.subdevice' > ALSA lib conf.c:3493:(_snd_config_evaluate) function snd_func_refer returned error: No such file or > directory ALSA lib conf.c:3951:(snd_config_expand) Args evaluate error: No such file or directory > ALSA lib pcm.c:2102:(snd_pcm_open_noupdate) Unknown PCM hw:1,0 > ALSA: Cannot open PCM device alsa_pcm for playback. Falling back to capture-only mode > cannot load driver module alsa > Segmentation fault > ------------------------------- > > the same command line *as root* works fine. > i don't know what has changed.... can someone help me sort this out? more possible clues.... when i run hdspmixer, i get this: ----------------------------------- ~: hdspmixer HDSPMixer 1.6 - Copyright (C) 2003 Thomas Charbonnel This program comes with ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY HDSPMixer is free software, see the file COPYING for details Looking for HDSP cards : Card 0 : Intel 82801DB-ICH4 with unknown codec at 0xe0100c00, irq 10 Card 1 : RME Hammerfall DSP + Multiface at 0x54000000, irq 10 Multiface found ! 1 Hammerfall DSP card found. Initializing default presets ALSA lib confmisc.c:1107:(snd_func_refer) Unable to find definition 'defaults.hwdep.device' ALSA lib conf.c:3493:(_snd_config_evaluate) function snd_func_refer returned error: No such file or directory ALSA lib confmisc.c:242:(snd_func_getenv) error evaluating default ALSA lib conf.c:3493:(_snd_config_evaluate) function snd_func_igetenv returned error: No such file or directory ALSA lib conf.c:3951:(snd_config_expand) Args evaluate error: No such file or directory ALSA lib hwdep.c:151:(snd_hwdep_open_noupdate) Unknown HwDep hw:1 Couldn't open hwdep device. Metering stopped ------------------------------------ .pltk. From rlrevell at joe-job.com Fri May 5 14:15:51 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Fri May 5 14:16:41 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] lost user access to alsa In-Reply-To: <20060505140003.56dbd562@localhost> References: <20060505140003.56dbd562@localhost> Message-ID: <1146852951.10662.49.camel@mindpipe> On Fri, 2006-05-05 at 14:00 -0400, plutek wrote: > greetings! > > i'm using a laptop with ubuntu dapper, 2.6.15 kernel (with ingo's > patch), alsa 1.0.10, and jackd 0.100.0. > > this system was working flawlessly with with both the onboard > soundcard and my RME Multiface, with realtime access as user, until a > recent install of some dvd-playing apps. now, when i try to bring up > jack *as user* i get: Sounds like the Ubuntu sound card configurator made an invalid ~/.asoundrc. Try deleting it, and definitely report this bug in malone (the Ubuntu bug tracker) lEE From rlrevell at joe-job.com Fri May 5 14:27:32 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Fri May 5 14:27:44 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Smack 0.3 Released. In-Reply-To: <200605031053.03969.lau@kudla.org> References: <200605031113.28221.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> <200605031053.03969.lau@kudla.org> Message-ID: <1146853652.10662.60.camel@mindpipe> On Wed, 2006-05-03 at 10:53 -0400, Rob wrote: > Maybe if we get some other people whose lives have been > impacted by heroin to chime in, the question will be settled > quickly one way or the other. I live in a city with a terrible heroin problem, knew several people who got messed up on the stuff and one who died and I'm not bothered one bit by the name. The first thing I thought of was smacking a drum. This was years ago though, I can see how someone recently affected by it would object. IOW I agree with Rob 100% Lee From rlrevell at joe-job.com Fri May 5 14:33:51 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Fri May 5 14:33:58 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] "KarmaPod" page back online... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1146854031.10662.66.camel@mindpipe> On Thu, 2006-05-04 at 00:39 +0100, BJaY wrote: > Can I just ask about the raid set up, I recently put a box together > and "The > man in the shop" said that most motherboards that say they do raid > arn't > doing proper raid, some part of it is being done in software, with an > associated CPU overhead. Can somone tell me if this is correct ? Yep, it's commonly referred to as "fakeraid", you can read the LKML archives for details. Vendors submit kernel drivers for this crap all the time, they are of course mocked and their code rejected with some variation of "why do you want to bloat the kernel to reimplement Linux software raid" ;-) Some of the vendors ship closed source fakeraid drivers for the truly gullible. Lee From plutek at infinity.net Fri May 5 14:47:24 2006 From: plutek at infinity.net (plutek) Date: Fri May 5 14:47:31 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] lost user access to alsa In-Reply-To: <1146852951.10662.49.camel@mindpipe> References: <20060505140003.56dbd562@localhost> <1146852951.10662.49.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <20060505144724.216ae53c@localhost> On Fri, 05 May 2006 14:15:51 -0400 Lee Revell wrote: > On Fri, 2006-05-05 at 14:00 -0400, plutek wrote: > > greetings! > > > > i'm using a laptop with ubuntu dapper, 2.6.15 kernel (with ingo's > > patch), alsa 1.0.10, and jackd 0.100.0. > > > > this system was working flawlessly with with both the onboard > > soundcard and my RME Multiface, with realtime access as user, until a > > recent install of some dvd-playing apps. now, when i try to bring up > > jack *as user* i get: > > Sounds like the Ubuntu sound card configurator made an invalid > ~/.asoundrc. Try deleting it, and definitely report this bug in malone > (the Ubuntu bug tracker) > > lEE > thanks, lee! i've tracked down the culprit: gnome-sound-properties writes both .asoundrc and .asoundrc.asoundconf --- deleting those returns things to normal. .pltk. From esa.linna at kolumbus.fi Fri May 5 15:04:31 2006 From: esa.linna at kolumbus.fi (Esa Linna) Date: Fri May 5 15:01:51 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Live CD's you can dock In-Reply-To: <445A72BF.5030302@kabelfoon.net> References: <445A47F2.7020903@kolumbus.fi> <1146767577.7952.8.camel@localhost> <445A4B4C.7070006@kolumbus.fi> <1146768211.7952.10.camel@localhost> <445A5931.9000001@kolumbus.fi> <445A72BF.5030302@kabelfoon.net> Message-ID: <445BA1BF.1050704@kolumbus.fi> Bert Visser kirjoitti: >> > Musix GNU+Linux has the option to copy the entire CD to the harddisk > (like all knoppix derivates; cheatcode: tohd=/dev/hda1 for example) > and boot from there; no need to install anything but to boot (just the > initial part) you will need the CD (with cheatcode: fromhd=/dev/hda1 > or whatever). I use a separate partition (on my machine /dev/hdb5) for > this and it works great. All the details are on the CD under Boot > options. > Great, thank you. This is just what I was looking for. Esa -- ----------------------- http://www.emvg.net/esa http://www.emvg.net ----------------------- From paniq at paniq.org Fri May 5 15:10:24 2006 From: paniq at paniq.org (Leonard "paniq" Ritter) Date: Fri May 5 15:02:19 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] mjoo.org reachable again Message-ID: <1146856224.2862.33.camel@localhost> For those who had trouble reaching mjoo.org: the server was not setup correctly and had wrong netmask/broadcast ips. everything should work fine now. -- -- leonard "paniq" ritter -- http://www.mjoo.org -- http://www.paniq.org From rlrevell at joe-job.com Fri May 5 15:12:13 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Fri May 5 15:12:26 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] lost user access to alsa In-Reply-To: <20060505144724.216ae53c@localhost> References: <20060505140003.56dbd562@localhost> <1146852951.10662.49.camel@mindpipe> <20060505144724.216ae53c@localhost> Message-ID: <1146856333.10662.69.camel@mindpipe> On Fri, 2006-05-05 at 14:47 -0400, plutek wrote: > thanks, lee! i've tracked down the culprit: gnome-sound-properties > writes both .asoundrc and .asoundrc.asoundconf --- deleting those > returns things to normal. > Please make sure to file it in malone and the Gnome bug tracker, it would be a disaster if Dapper shipped with this. Thanks, Lee From pedro.lopez.cabanillas at gmail.com Fri May 5 15:39:08 2006 From: pedro.lopez.cabanillas at gmail.com (Pedro Lopez-Cabanillas) Date: Fri May 5 15:39:17 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] My MIDI latency is crap In-Reply-To: <20060505174449.7FC5314BD752@music.columbia.edu> References: <20060505174449.7FC5314BD752@music.columbia.edu> Message-ID: <200605052139.08663.pedro.lopez.cabanillas@gmail.com> On Friday, 5 May 2006 13:44, Lee Revell wrote: > I actually discussed this with Joachim from the MuSE team at LAC - we > need a way for applications that need a low latency capable kernel to > discover whether the kernel is good enough. ?One option would be to > simply make MuSE depend on a "known good for audio" kernel in the > package manager which is probably too aggressive, and not reliable > enough. ?A better solution would be to have a simple, user friendly app > that does a latency test and reports the results, and if a problem is > found would recommend that the user upgrade the kernel, change some > config options or file a bug report with their distro. > > Unfortunately it's a tricky problem, as you can see there's not even a > distro independent way to check the kernel config. If the program uses the ALSA Sequencer, there can be several timer sources available. The ALSA-RTC timer driver had very bad luck, plagued with problems in many kernel versions, but gives good resolution when it is available. The system timer is always present, but its resolution depends on the HZ setting in the kernel. You can use the timer interface from ALSA to retrieve the resolution of the system timer (or any other timer driver): http://www.alsa-project.org/alsa-doc/alsa-lib/group___timer.html Of course, this ALSA timer infrastructure is relevant only if your program uses ALSA Sequencer scheduling capabilities or event timestamping. Regards, Pedro From gn at hetnet.nl Fri May 5 16:33:32 2006 From: gn at hetnet.nl (Gerrit Niestijl) Date: Fri May 5 16:33:41 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Serial midi trouble In-Reply-To: <20060505114357.GD2160@spma33> References: <20060503174755.GA6975@reus> <20060504180442.GI26321@turing.informatik.uni-halle.de> <20060504182829.GB9850@reus> <20060505114357.GD2160@spma33> Message-ID: <20060505203332.GA7008@reus> On Fri, May 05, 2006 at 01:43:57PM +0200, Ismael Valladolid Torres wrote: > Gerrit Niestijl escribe: > > On Thu, May 04, 2006 at 08:04:42PM +0200, Clemens Ladisch wrote: > > > Gerrit Niestijl wrote: > > > > I am having some problems connecting my Roland XP-30 synth through the > > > > serial port. I can send midi data from the synth to the computer (eg > > > > record them with seq24) and i can send midi data from the computer to the > > > > synth (eg play the synth with vkeybd). But i as soon as i connect the > > > > serial midi input with the serial midi output (the synth has its 'local' > > > > set to 'off') and hit a note on the synth there appears to be a feedback > > > > loop, because an endless amount of midi notes is being generated, flooding > > > > my synth. > > > > > > Apparently, the synth has "MIDI Through" or something like this enabled. > > > > Hm, that does not seem to be the case. When i connect the synth with the > > same settings to a harware sequencer (through midi cables) everything > > works like expected. > > > > I think it could help trying MIDI connectors and not the serial cable. > > I remember having MIDI problems with a Roland XP-30 connected to my > computer via SB-Live MIDI connectors that were solved simply using a > better MIDI interface. The XP-30 sends soooo many aftertouch events > --this can be configured, though! Indeed, i discovered that my cmipci card has a game port that can be used as midi port through a module parameter, just like the SB-Live. I even have a suitable midi cable for it. First tests show that it works well. But i am considering bying a better midi interface though, with at least 2 in/out ports, so i can connect other equipment as well. It will have to be a usb thing, because i am out of pci slots. Any suggestions are welcome, by the way. -- gerrit From drobilla at connect.carleton.ca Fri May 5 16:59:24 2006 From: drobilla at connect.carleton.ca (Dave Robillard) Date: Fri May 5 16:38:22 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Smack 0.3 Released. In-Reply-To: <20060505113933.GB2160@spma33> References: <200605031053.03969.lau@kudla.org> <200605041356.07768.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> <200605041454.32856.lau@kudla.org> <20060505113933.GB2160@spma33> Message-ID: <1146862765.4190.1.camel@DaveLap> On Fri, 2006-05-05 at 13:39 +0200, Ismael Valladolid Torres wrote: > Rob escribe: > > It'd be like calling a KDE image editor "kike". (Don't know if > > that's a naughty word over there too, but it is here.) > > In Spain, "kike" is diminutive for people called "enrique", an > affective way to call them. > > Some software names are not upsetting but simply stupid. "Windows" is > one of them, but maybe also "Linux". "BSD" sounds like a drug, doesn't > it? :) One letter off from LSD - and it came from Berkeley. Coincidence? :) -DR- From juan at nixbox.com.ar Fri May 5 17:46:08 2006 From: juan at nixbox.com.ar (=?ISO-8859-15?Q?Juan_Marcelo_Rodr=EDguez?=) Date: Fri May 5 17:43:06 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] LAC2006 Photos In-Reply-To: <200605011816.44731.ce@christeck.de> References: <200605011816.44731.ce@christeck.de> Message-ID: <445BC7A0.9000109@nixbox.com.ar> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Christoph Eckert wrote: | Hi all, | | | I just uploaded some Photos taken during LAC 2006. It one huge tgz | archive, no web gallery available. It will be up in 15 minutes: | | http://christeck.de/stuff/LAC2006.tar.gz | Truly amazing. From here, so far from those lands, I hope someday I would be able to stay there :) Best Juan -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFEW8egwWB8GXdhYbcRAkPdAJ9KHBkZZkbMqUH0gOj/cgNN2cGZ8gCgiXDZ cL70aF4g3w/XD0OpUigP/fc= =NBW5 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From ce at christeck.de Fri May 5 18:11:29 2006 From: ce at christeck.de (Christoph Eckert) Date: Fri May 5 18:09:46 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] LAC2006 Photos In-Reply-To: <445BC7A0.9000109@nixbox.com.ar> References: <200605011816.44731.ce@christeck.de> <445BC7A0.9000109@nixbox.com.ar> Message-ID: <200605060011.29772.ce@christeck.de> > Truly amazing. From here, so far from those lands, I hope someday I > would be able to stay there :) OK, it's really far from argentinia; if it's too far, why not do something similar in southern america ;-) ? Best regards ce From mail at jensgulden.de Fri May 5 18:33:26 2006 From: mail at jensgulden.de (Jens Gulden) Date: Fri May 5 18:32:55 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] LAC2006 Photos In-Reply-To: <200605051317.25141.ce@christeck.de> References: <200605011816.44731.ce@christeck.de> <200605051317.25141.ce@christeck.de> Message-ID: <445BD2B6.3090508@jensgulden.de> Christoph Eckert schrieb: > I've just modified some of the filenames to give you a > clue who some of the people are. > http://christeck.de/stuff/LAC2006.tar.gz 20060430/img_0954-PastAndFutureOrganisators-FrankNeumann_GoetzDipper_ vs_MarijeBaalman_and_NameForgotten.jpg: Mr. "Name Forgotten" is Stefan Kersten, if I'm not totally wrong. Jens From dana at ubuntustudio.com Fri May 5 18:37:13 2006 From: dana at ubuntustudio.com (Dana Olson) Date: Fri May 5 18:35:57 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] My MIDI latency is crap In-Reply-To: <1146851065.10662.33.camel@mindpipe> References: <1146804529.18891.7.camel@mindpipe> <1146844554.21322.1.camel@mindpipe> <1146851065.10662.33.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <1146868633.5207.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Fri, 2006-05-05 at 13:44 -0400, Lee Revell wrote: > On Fri, 2006-05-05 at 12:32 -0500, Josh Lawrence wrote: > > On 5/5/06, Lee Revell wrote: > > > What is HZ set to in your kernel config? > > > > This is a new term to me. What does HZ mean, and how do I grep for it > > in my kernel config? > > It's the kernel's internal tick rate and will determine the best > achievable MIDI output latency. The default changed from 1000 (1ms > ticks) to 250 (2.5 ms ticks) around 2.6.12, over the objections of the > linux audio community. > > grep HZ /boot/config-`uname -r` > > or > > zgrep HZ /proc/config.gz > > if you have those files. It should be 1000 for optimal MIDI latency. > > I actually discussed this with Joachim from the MuSE team at LAC - we > need a way for applications that need a low latency capable kernel to > discover whether the kernel is good enough. One option would be to > simply make MuSE depend on a "known good for audio" kernel in the > package manager which is probably too aggressive, and not reliable > enough. A better solution would be to have a simple, user friendly app > that does a latency test and reports the results, and if a problem is > found would recommend that the user upgrade the kernel, change some > config options or file a bug report with their distro. > > Unfortunately it's a tricky problem, as you can see there's not even a > distro independent way to check the kernel config. > > Lee I'm pretty sure Josh is using Dapper Beta 2 with the stock i686 kernel option, which is very likely set to HZ=y/1000, as the i386 kernel on Dapper is. Josh, did you recompile MuSE as you mentioned you were going to do? Maybe there is a setting that you missed resulting in a sub-optimal build? I'm not really familiar with MuSE at all, but if you're still on Dapper's stock kernel, I think your issue might be elsewhere. Have you tried routing into another app instead of MuSE (Seq24 for example)? Does your keyboard connect via USB or your soundcard or other MIDI I/O? Dana -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 191 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part Url : http://music.columbia.edu/pipermail/linux-audio-user/attachments/20060505/4f416d5b/attachment.bin From rlrevell at joe-job.com Fri May 5 19:07:43 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Fri May 5 19:07:57 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] jacks runs fine until I login to fluxbox?!?!?! In-Reply-To: <4450C0C2.1080502@sbcglobal.net> References: <1145931032.6009.33.camel@cmn3.stanford.edu> <200604250343.39594.stuff@trackingsolutions.ca> <4450C0C2.1080502@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <1146870464.12995.18.camel@mindpipe> On Thu, 2006-04-27 at 08:01 -0500, Brian Dunn wrote: > i've seen the same errors here, but it is on an old P3 750 i was just > testing to see if realtime jack was possible, and i took that string > of delay messages as a no. interesting thing is i'm a fluxbox user > too... Are either of you using the binary nvidia driver? If not what video hardware/driver are you using? Display activity can causes problems like this if the driver is buggy. Lee From rlrevell at joe-job.com Fri May 5 19:46:40 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Fri May 5 19:46:50 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Midi problems with Yamaha PSR-273 In-Reply-To: <444F906C.3040007@kolumbus.fi> References: <444F906C.3040007@kolumbus.fi> Message-ID: <1146872800.12995.21.camel@mindpipe> On Wed, 2006-04-26 at 18:23 +0300, Esa Linna wrote: > Everything seems to be allright with midi, module snd-seq-midi is > loaded, Rosegarden says Midi OK, audio OK. ZynAddSubFx works when > using > notation editor, but can't get PSR-273 keyboard to produce sound via > midi. I turned "PC mode" on from Yamaha, as the guidebook tells. > This "PC mode" is a switch on the back of the keyboard right? What are the other options beside "PC mode"? I think you need "MIDI mode" (if it's like my friend's Yamaha). Lee From rlrevell at joe-job.com Fri May 5 19:48:07 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Fri May 5 19:48:16 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Advice on FC5 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1146872888.12995.23.camel@mindpipe> On Tue, 2006-04-25 at 08:48 -0700, Tim Howard wrote: > Thanks a bunch, Fernando! I just realized last night that my system > (FC5 OOTB + Jack and Ardour) has about 42ms of latency, which I don't > think qualifies as low latency... > > I do really like FC5, though. We'll stay tuned for a kernel release! > Are you sure you're running realtime? How do you test latency? What happens if you try to go lower than 42ms? Lee From rlrevell at joe-job.com Fri May 5 19:48:40 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Fri May 5 19:49:13 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] MIDI tools in latest wine, success and ... In-Reply-To: <200604261538.17841.d_baron@012.net.il> References: <200604261538.17841.d_baron@012.net.il> Message-ID: <1146872921.12995.25.camel@mindpipe> On Wed, 2006-04-26 at 15:38 +0300, David Baron wrote: > Caveats: > 1. MIDI timing seems unsteady. Make sure HZ is 1000 in the kernel config. Lee From loki.davison at gmail.com Fri May 5 21:23:48 2006 From: loki.davison at gmail.com (Loki Davison) Date: Fri May 5 21:23:56 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Smack 0.3 Released. In-Reply-To: References: <200605031053.03969.lau@kudla.org> <200605041356.07768.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> <200605041454.32856.lau@kudla.org> <20060505113933.GB2160@spma33> Message-ID: On 5/6/06, Denis Alessandro Altoe Falqueto wrote: > On 5/5/06, Ismael Valladolid Torres wrote: > > Rob escribe: > > > It'd be like calling a KDE image editor "kike". (Don't know if > > > that's a naughty word over there too, but it is here.) > > > > In Spain, "kike" is diminutive for people called "enrique", an > > affective way to call them. > > > > I was tempted to say this many times before in this thread, but was a > little shy: in brazilian portuguese, the pronounce of Khagan means > plainly defacating, in coloquial speak. I have nothing against it, let > that be clear! But the first time I read it in the announce message, I > lol and thought what Loki would say if he knew that... Well, now he > knows... :-) > > Hi, Loki, you are a great maker of names!!! > Arrrg! ;) Choose a pretty much random word and you seem certain to end up with something dodgy. Great, my projects end up meaning drugs and crap. I was listening to lots of reggae when i decided on the name and something that pretty much means king of kings seemed pretty cool. Mongolia rocks in obscure way anyway. I'm pretty happy about all the noise about smack/khagan anyway maybe now i can get someone submitting bug reports/feature requests or patches? ;) The smack bug page is looking a little lonely with zero bugs. Same for features... ;) Loki From tech at glastonburymusic.org.uk Fri May 5 22:38:07 2006 From: tech at glastonburymusic.org.uk (tim hall) Date: Fri May 5 22:38:22 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Smack 0.3 Released. In-Reply-To: <20060505114103.GC2160@spma33> References: <200605050958.04638.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> <20060505114103.GC2160@spma33> Message-ID: <200605060338.07672.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> On Friday 05 May 2006 12:41, Ismael Valladolid Torres was like: > tim hall escribe: > > OK, I'll just call my next album 'Crap songs I wrote when I > > was depressed' if it doesn't matter. > > It's Morrisey lurking this list!? Amazing! Heaven knows, I'm miserable now! Now I know how Joan of Arc felt, la la la la! etc. -- cheers, tim hall http://glastonburymusic.org.uk/tim We are the people We've been waiting for. From gkjoyce at gmail.com Fri May 5 22:46:06 2006 From: gkjoyce at gmail.com (greg) Date: Fri May 5 22:46:19 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] molnar patch Message-ID: <1146883567.5417.8.camel@localhost> Ok I don't know how I didn't find this out but I couldn't find any docs on how to get apps running w/ realtime once you use the molnar patch. I know ubuntustudio.com has a launcher app but i'm curious. also this list is great. I've lurked / asked some noob questions for a while now. From hardbop200 at gmail.com Sat May 6 01:23:34 2006 From: hardbop200 at gmail.com (Josh Lawrence) Date: Sat May 6 01:23:41 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] My MIDI latency is crap In-Reply-To: <20060505174124.GA5858@rfa.org> References: <1146804529.18891.7.camel@mindpipe> <1146844554.21322.1.camel@mindpipe> <20060505174124.GA5858@rfa.org> Message-ID: On 5/5/06, Eric Dantan Rzewnicki wrote: > grep HZ Here's mine: CONFIG_HZ_1000=y CONFIG_HZ=1000 CONFIG_MACHZ_WDT=m -- Josh Lawrence http://www.hardbop200.com From mista.tapas at gmx.net Sat May 6 05:35:01 2006 From: mista.tapas at gmx.net (Florian Paul Schmidt) Date: Sat May 6 05:35:09 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] My MIDI latency is crap In-Reply-To: References: <1146804529.18891.7.camel@mindpipe> <1146844554.21322.1.camel@mindpipe> <20060505174124.GA5858@rfa.org> Message-ID: <20060506113501.4ca5473f@mango.fruits> On Sat, 6 May 2006 00:23:34 -0500 "Josh Lawrence" wrote: > On 5/5/06, Eric Dantan Rzewnicki wrote: > > grep HZ > > Here's mine: > > CONFIG_HZ_1000=y > CONFIG_HZ=1000 > CONFIG_MACHZ_WDT=m Hi, do you get such a huge latency, too, when not using any sequencer, but connecting the midi input to the output directly via aconnect or alsa-patch-bay or qjackctl? Flo -- Palimm Palimm! http://tapas.affenbande.org From jamesmichaelmcdermott at gmail.com Sat May 6 08:29:52 2006 From: jamesmichaelmcdermott at gmail.com (James McDermott) Date: Sat May 6 08:30:02 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Mastering without mastering In-Reply-To: <200605051030.03027.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> References: <200605050938.54075.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> <321dfa6a0605050151g349bbb10ica3ef20f2d51bccd@mail.gmail.com> <200605051030.03027.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> Message-ID: Did anyone ever hear of The Mark Kramer Band? - not sure if it's the same Mark Kramer or not - I had an ep by the band about 10 years ago, it was really great, in the style of Jeff Buckley but bluesier... there were tracks called Dust Bowl Rain and Wild Prairie Dog. No results from Google... From dlphillips at woh.rr.com Sat May 6 08:58:54 2006 From: dlphillips at woh.rr.com (Dave Phillips) Date: Sat May 6 08:55:52 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] MIDI tools in latest wine, success and ... In-Reply-To: <200604261538.17841.d_baron@012.net.il> References: <200604261538.17841.d_baron@012.net.il> Message-ID: <445C9D8E.3030900@woh.rr.com> David Baron wrote: >Question: The new setup dialog (run wine with no argument an click configure) >apparently is not using the ~/.wine/config file. What does it use? I note >provision for more than one sound "driver" in that dialog--right now I only >have OSS (what I chose in ~/.wine/config because others did not work). So: > >Are all the sound libraries on winelib as they were or do I need to download >separate alsa and jack, etc, packages to activate these options? (Using jack >might solve the timing issues.) > > Hi David: Lately I've been using the pre-packaged WINE system from Demudi/Debian Etch. The configuration stuff is now done via the wineconf utility (or winecfg, I don't remember and I'm away from the relevant machine). WINE will cheerfully ignore any previous ~/.wine/config file. For Debian, I had to download the libwine-alsa and libwine-jack packages before those choices appeared in the wineconf panel. I have not severely tested the latest JACK support, I hope it's improving. Best, dp From rlrevell at joe-job.com Sat May 6 09:54:23 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Sat May 6 09:54:41 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Mastering without mastering In-Reply-To: References: <200605050938.54075.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> <321dfa6a0605050151g349bbb10ica3ef20f2d51bccd@mail.gmail.com> <200605051030.03027.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> Message-ID: <1146923663.15364.68.camel@mindpipe> On Sat, 2006-05-06 at 13:29 +0100, James McDermott wrote: > Did anyone ever hear of The Mark Kramer Band? - not sure if it's the > same Mark Kramer or not - I had an ep by the band about 10 years ago, > it was really great, in the style of Jeff Buckley but bluesier... > there were tracks called Dust Bowl Rain and Wild Prairie Dog. > > No results from Google... I doubt it's the same Kramer - the Mark Kramer I know makes music that's aggressively weird, too weird for my tastes. The closest thing to a blues I heard them do was the country fried Bongwater cover of the 13th Floor Elevators "Splash 1" Lee From folderol at ukfsn.org Sat May 6 10:20:12 2006 From: folderol at ukfsn.org (Folderol) Date: Sat May 6 10:20:20 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Mastering without mastering In-Reply-To: <1146923663.15364.68.camel@mindpipe> References: <200605050938.54075.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> <321dfa6a0605050151g349bbb10ica3ef20f2d51bccd@mail.gmail.com> <200605051030.03027.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> <1146923663.15364.68.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <20060506152012.01934823@office> On Sat, 06 May 2006 09:54:23 -0400 Lee Revell wrote: > On Sat, 2006-05-06 at 13:29 +0100, James McDermott wrote: > > Did anyone ever hear of The Mark Kramer Band? - not sure if it's the > > same Mark Kramer or not - I had an ep by the band about 10 years ago, > > it was really great, in the style of Jeff Buckley but bluesier... > > there were tracks called Dust Bowl Rain and Wild Prairie Dog. > > > > No results from Google... > > I doubt it's the same Kramer - the Mark Kramer I know makes music that's > aggressively weird, too weird for my tastes. The closest thing to a > blues I heard them do was the country fried Bongwater cover of the 13th > Floor Elevators "Splash 1" > > Lee I remember Billy J Kramer but that was a loooong time ago, and very mainstream! -- F From larsl at users.sourceforge.net Sat May 6 10:45:01 2006 From: larsl at users.sourceforge.net (Lars Luthman) Date: Sat May 6 10:45:24 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [ANN] Dino 0.2 Message-ID: <1146926701.7945.6.camel@localhost> Dino is a MIDI sequencer for GNU/Linux that uses JACK MIDI and JACK transport to send MIDI events to synths and synchronise with other sequencers or transport aware programs. It uses LASH to save and restore sessions. This is the first release. Get it at http://dinoseq.sf.net . Requirements: * libglademm >= 2.4.1 * libxml++ >= 2.6.1 * JACK >= 0.100 with the MIDI patch available here: http://www.custard.org/~deviant/jack-midi/ * LASH >= 0.5.0 -- Lars Luthman PGP key: http://www.student.nada.kth.se/~d00-llu/pgp_key.php Fingerprint: FCA7 C790 19B9 322D EB7A E1B3 4371 4650 04C7 7E2E -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 191 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part Url : http://music.columbia.edu/pipermail/linux-audio-user/attachments/20060506/cad85300/attachment.bin From rlrevell at joe-job.com Sat May 6 11:26:01 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Sat May 6 11:26:14 2006 Subject: SOLVED - was Re: [linux-audio-user] Digigram VX Pocket firmware help In-Reply-To: <1145660660.14426.3.camel@mindpipe> References: <444963B5.9000902@yahoo.co.nz> <1145660660.14426.3.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <1146929162.15364.94.camel@mindpipe> On Fri, 2006-04-21 at 19:04 -0400, Lee Revell wrote: > On Sat, 2006-04-22 at 10:59 +1200, Hamish Low wrote: > > Have you already tried re-compiling the > > kernel? > > > > Hamish > > > > This was covered in a previous thread that ended with no resolution - we > tried everything. No luck. > > I think the next step is to try it in another laptop with a different > chipset if possible - it could be an issue at the kernel PCMCIA layer. We solved this at LAC. I am 99% sure the fix was to enable CONFIG_ISAPNP in the kernel config. I think it's a bug in ALSA that the lack of this option causes it to fail silently. Lee From cave.dnb at tiscali.fr Sat May 6 11:42:08 2006 From: cave.dnb at tiscali.fr (Nigel Henry) Date: Sat May 6 11:42:33 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Mastering without mastering In-Reply-To: <20060506152012.01934823@office> References: <1146923663.15364.68.camel@mindpipe> <20060506152012.01934823@office> Message-ID: <200605061742.09148.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> On Saturday 06 May 2006 16:20, Folderol wrote: > On Sat, 06 May 2006 09:54:23 -0400 > > Lee Revell wrote: > > On Sat, 2006-05-06 at 13:29 +0100, James McDermott wrote: > > > Did anyone ever hear of The Mark Kramer Band? - not sure if it's the > > > same Mark Kramer or not - I had an ep by the band about 10 years ago, > > > it was really great, in the style of Jeff Buckley but bluesier... > > > there were tracks called Dust Bowl Rain and Wild Prairie Dog. > > > > > > No results from Google... > > > > I doubt it's the same Kramer - the Mark Kramer I know makes music that's > > aggressively weird, too weird for my tastes. The closest thing to a > > blues I heard them do was the country fried Bongwater cover of the 13th > > Floor Elevators "Splash 1" > > > > Lee > > I remember Billy J Kramer but that was a loooong time ago, and very > mainstream! Hi Folderol. Me too, and still have Billy J Kramer and the Dakotas, " Do you want to know a secret" . Written by Lennon and Mc Cartney, but always thought Billy J's version was better than the Beatles version. And do you remember the Philip's 45 record player, that you could install in your car? Just like a cd player, but you posted 45's in the slot. Nigel. From rncbc at rncbc.org Sat May 6 16:36:29 2006 From: rncbc at rncbc.org (Rui Nuno Capela) Date: Sat May 6 16:37:15 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] My LAC2006 Photos In-Reply-To: <200605011816.44731.ce@christeck.de> References: <200605011816.44731.ce@christeck.de> Message-ID: <445D08CD.2090003@rncbc.org> Hi everybody, Some (lousy) photos taken by myself during LAC2006 ZKM Karlsruhe. Presented in some hacky web gallery at my own personal home server: http://www.rncbc.org/lac2006 Subjects are: netjack-workshop, jacklab-workshop, linux-sound-night + plug-n-chill, final-group-photo and last-night-at-the-restaurant. Timestamps are local times. Click on a thumbnail to download the developed copy ;) Cheers. -- rncbc aka Rui Nuno Capela rncbc@rncbc.org From rlrevell at joe-job.com Sat May 6 18:18:25 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Sat May 6 18:18:46 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] My LAC2006 Photos In-Reply-To: <445D08CD.2090003@rncbc.org> References: <200605011816.44731.ce@christeck.de> <445D08CD.2090003@rncbc.org> Message-ID: <1146953906.15364.148.camel@mindpipe> On Sat, 2006-05-06 at 21:36 +0100, Rui Nuno Capela wrote: > Hi everybody, > > Some (lousy) photos taken by myself during LAC2006 ZKM Karlsruhe. > Presented in some hacky web gallery at my own personal home server: > > http://www.rncbc.org/lac2006 > > Subjects are: netjack-workshop, jacklab-workshop, linux-sound-night + > plug-n-chill, final-group-photo and last-night-at-the-restaurant. > Timestamps are local times. > > Click on a thumbnail to download the developed copy ;) Good stuff! I wish berlin was next week ;-) Lee From ce at christeck.de Sat May 6 20:15:38 2006 From: ce at christeck.de (Christoph Eckert) Date: Sat May 6 20:14:08 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] My LAC2006 Photos In-Reply-To: <1146953906.15364.148.camel@mindpipe> References: <200605011816.44731.ce@christeck.de> <445D08CD.2090003@rncbc.org> <1146953906.15364.148.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <200605070215.38912.ce@christeck.de> > Good stuff! ?I wish berlin was next week ;-) Nice you enjoyed the show ;-) . Best regards ce From lee at rockingtiger.com Sat May 6 20:46:08 2006 From: lee at rockingtiger.com (Lee A. Azzarello) Date: Sat May 6 20:46:37 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] The MySpace terms for content Message-ID: <11822790.7221146962768937.JavaMail.root@mugen.rockingtiger.com> ----- Rob wrote: > On Wed May 3 2006 15:41, Brett McCoy wrote: > > (collectively, "Content") on or through the Services, you > > hereby grant to MySpace.com, a non-exclusive, fully-paid and > > royalty-free, worldwide license (with the right to sublicense > > through unlimited levels of sublicensees) to use, copy, > > modify, adapt, translate, publicly perform, publicly display, > > store, reproduce, transmit, and distribute such Content on and > > through the Services. This license will terminate at the time > > you remove such Content from the Services. You represent and > > I'm no lawyer, but to me it seems that all those rights you're > giving them only applies to Myspace itself ("to use, ... and > distribute such Content on and through the Services.") > Regardless, I don't think you're giving them the right to sell > it on CD or use it in a soundtrack, or a commercial (unless it's > airing on Myspace itself.) There's no "including but not > limited to", just "on and through the Services". But millions > have been lost through the presence or absence of a comma, so > who knows. You missed the part about sublicense: "(with the right to sublicense through unlimited levels of sublicensees)" MySpace just said they can steal your shit and use it for anything they want for fun and profit. Let's rename it to "ourspace.com" -lee From lee at rockingtiger.com Sat May 6 20:53:07 2006 From: lee at rockingtiger.com (Lee A. Azzarello) Date: Sat May 6 20:53:48 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] The MySpace terms for content Message-ID: <23788578.7251146963187044.JavaMail.root@mugen.rockingtiger.com> ----- tim hall wrote: > On Thursday 04 May 2006 15:27, Cesare Marilungo was like: > pretty much as they like. And ... would you trust a man named > Murdoch? Murdoch doesn't own Myspace, Samy does: http://fast.info/myspace/ -lee From lee at rockingtiger.com Sat May 6 21:12:05 2006 From: lee at rockingtiger.com (Lee A. Azzarello) Date: Sat May 6 21:12:26 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] USB audio interface - Terratec Phase26 any good? Message-ID: <22565955.7281146964325572.JavaMail.root@mugen.rockingtiger.com> ----- Peter Clarke wrote: > Dear all, > So, it's time to give up on this and get me a USB audio > interface that WILL work. It looks like the Terratec > Phase26 would do what I want quite nicely (except for those > nasty RCA connectors - too unreliable for my liking). Has > anyone used this successfully? I use an Emagic 2|6 with a Pentium 4 laptop for live performance. It works well with jack. I keep the latency at around 20ms because I don't need anything lower for my music. -lee From cesare at poeticstudios.com Sat May 6 23:33:43 2006 From: cesare at poeticstudios.com (Cesare Marilungo) Date: Sat May 6 21:33:54 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] The MySpace terms for content In-Reply-To: <11822790.7221146962768937.JavaMail.root@mugen.rockingtiger.com> References: <11822790.7221146962768937.JavaMail.root@mugen.rockingtiger.com> Message-ID: <445D6A97.5050204@poeticstudios.com> Lee A. Azzarello wrote: >----- Rob wrote: > > >>On Wed May 3 2006 15:41, Brett McCoy wrote: >> >> >>>(collectively, "Content") on or through the Services, you >>>hereby grant to MySpace.com, a non-exclusive, fully-paid and >>>royalty-free, worldwide license (with the right to sublicense >>>through unlimited levels of sublicensees) to use, copy, >>>modify, adapt, translate, publicly perform, publicly display, >>>store, reproduce, transmit, and distribute such Content on and >>>through the Services. This license will terminate at the time >>>you remove such Content from the Services. You represent and >>> >>> >>I'm no lawyer, but to me it seems that all those rights you're >>giving them only applies to Myspace itself ("to use, ... and >>distribute such Content on and through the Services.") >>Regardless, I don't think you're giving them the right to sell >>it on CD or use it in a soundtrack, or a commercial (unless it's >>airing on Myspace itself.) There's no "including but not >>limited to", just "on and through the Services". But millions >>have been lost through the presence or absence of a comma, so >>who knows. >> >> > >You missed the part about sublicense: >"(with the right to sublicense through unlimited levels of sublicensees)" > >MySpace just said they can steal your shit and use it for anything they want for fun and profit. Let's rename it to "ourspace.com" > >-lee > > > > Oh my gosh! :-P c. -- www.cesaremarilungo.com From lee at rockingtiger.com Sat May 6 21:43:45 2006 From: lee at rockingtiger.com (Lee A. Azzarello) Date: Sat May 6 21:44:00 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] webbased composer Message-ID: <9954092.7311146966225293.JavaMail.root@mugen.rockingtiger.com> ----- Patrick Shirkey wrote: > Hi, > > Found this link which some people might be interested in... > > http://www.typorganism.com/visualcomposer/visualcomposer.html > > kindof neat. No doubt someone will make a svg version pretty soon. It has all the good timing I'd expect from the Mozilla Flash plugin. Is this usable on other operating systems or CPUs? I'm on a P4 2.6ghz and Linux 2.6.15, the timing is horrible. -lee From lee at rockingtiger.com Sat May 6 21:49:51 2006 From: lee at rockingtiger.com (Lee A. Azzarello) Date: Sat May 6 21:50:04 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] jackEQ-0.4.1 released Message-ID: <7352241.7341146966591147.JavaMail.root@mugen.rockingtiger.com> ----- Patrick Shirkey wrote: > Hi, > > The demudi copy is broken but they are the people who informed me of > the > bug so if they haven't already they will update the .deb soon. Debian by way of Ubuntu by way of Demudi. I originally submitted the bug report to Debian and it made it all the way to you. http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=356990 Thanks for fixing the problem and apologies for my lack of C programming skills and the ability to fix it myself. -lee From lau at kudla.org Sun May 7 01:13:16 2006 From: lau at kudla.org (Rob) Date: Sun May 7 01:13:48 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] The MySpace terms for content In-Reply-To: <11822790.7221146962768937.JavaMail.root@mugen.rockingtiger.com> References: <11822790.7221146962768937.JavaMail.root@mugen.rockingtiger.com> Message-ID: <200605070113.17113.lau@kudla.org> On Sat May 6 2006 20:46, Lee A. Azzarello wrote: > You missed the part about sublicense: > "(with the right to sublicense through unlimited levels of > sublicensees)" I don't think the right to sublicense trumps the limitation to "on and through the Services", but again, I'm no lawyer. If it doesn't, then that clause merely exists to cover their asses when they decide to outsource hosting, management, et al. to Sites'R'Us in Bangalore. Rob From lee at rockingtiger.com Sun May 7 01:28:37 2006 From: lee at rockingtiger.com (Lee A. Azzarello) Date: Sun May 7 01:28:48 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] The MySpace terms for content Message-ID: <25601084.7381146979717970.JavaMail.root@mugen.rockingtiger.com> ----- Rob wrote: > On Sat May 6 2006 20:46, Lee A. Azzarello wrote: > > You missed the part about sublicense: > > "(with the right to sublicense through unlimited levels of > > sublicensees)" > > I don't think the right to sublicense trumps the limitation to > "on and through the Services", but again, I'm no lawyer. > > If it doesn't, then that clause merely exists to cover their > asses when they decide to outsource hosting, management, et al. > to Sites'R'Us in Bangalore. Here's my scenario: Lots of famous bands are on myspace's music section. Let's imagine myspace.com decides to release a compilation album of TV On The Radio[1] and the Yeah Yeah Yeahs[2] along with some other local Brooklyn bands. Because of this license they can release the compilation album and sell it from a "sublicencee" company without notifying the bands who composed or performed the music. They own this product through and through. The bands might not be entitled to a percentage of the profit unless they or their laywers get involved. That's the point. -lee [1] http://www.myspace.com/tvotr [2] http://www.myspace.com/yeahyeahyeahs From lau at kudla.org Sun May 7 01:48:51 2006 From: lau at kudla.org (Rob) Date: Sun May 7 01:49:04 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] The MySpace terms for content In-Reply-To: <25601084.7381146979717970.JavaMail.root@mugen.rockingtiger.com> References: <25601084.7381146979717970.JavaMail.root@mugen.rockingtiger.com> Message-ID: <200605070148.51798.lau@kudla.org> On Sun May 7 2006 01:28, Lee A. Azzarello wrote: > other local Brooklyn bands. Because of this license they can > release the compilation album and sell it from a "sublicencee" > company without notifying the bands who composed or performed > the music. They own this product through and through. The > bands might not be entitled to a percentage of the profit > unless they or their laywers get involved. That's the point. And what I'm saying is that I think they and their sublicencees would have to only distribute said album through myspace.com in order to satisfy the "on or through the Service" part of the terms. But I guess it's ambiguous enough that it'd have to go to court, and lord only knows they'll change it again before that happens. Rob From atte.jensen at gmail.com Sun May 7 02:46:24 2006 From: atte.jensen at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Atte_Andr=E9_Jensen?=) Date: Sun May 7 02:46:39 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] music made with linux Message-ID: <445D97C0.6030004@gmail.com> Hi I just finished another piece made with realtime csound and mondrian: http://atte.dk/compositions/#spiders -- peace, love & harmony Atte http://www.atte.dk | quartet: http://www.anagrammer.dk http://www.atte.dk/gps | compositions: http://www.atte.dk/compositions From folderol at ukfsn.org Sun May 7 03:59:20 2006 From: folderol at ukfsn.org (Folderol) Date: Sun May 7 03:58:45 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] The MySpace terms for content In-Reply-To: <200605070148.51798.lau@kudla.org> References: <25601084.7381146979717970.JavaMail.root@mugen.rockingtiger.com> <200605070148.51798.lau@kudla.org> Message-ID: <20060507085920.2ab5f826@office> On Sun, 7 May 2006 01:48:51 -0400 Rob wrote: > On Sun May 7 2006 01:28, Lee A. Azzarello wrote: > > other local Brooklyn bands. Because of this license they can > > release the compilation album and sell it from a "sublicencee" > > company without notifying the bands who composed or performed > > the music. They own this product through and through. The > > bands might not be entitled to a percentage of the profit > > unless they or their laywers get involved. That's the point. > > And what I'm saying is that I think they and their sublicencees > would have to only distribute said album through myspace.com in > order to satisfy the "on or through the Service" part of the > terms. But I guess it's ambiguous enough that it'd have to go > to court, and lord only knows they'll change it again before > that happens. > > Rob I think the bottom line is that, whatever the fine details are, anyone who wants to retain a semblance of control over their creative work should avoid this organisation like it were the plague. I have looked at their home page twice now. I will NEVER go there again, unless someone tells me they think they have seen some of my work on there. -- F From fbar at footils.org Sun May 7 04:36:25 2006 From: fbar at footils.org (Frank Barknecht) Date: Sun May 7 04:36:47 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] USB audio interface - Terratec Phase26 any good? In-Reply-To: <22565955.7281146964325572.JavaMail.root@mugen.rockingtiger.com> References: <22565955.7281146964325572.JavaMail.root@mugen.rockingtiger.com> Message-ID: <20060507083625.GA20747@fliwatut.scifi> Hallo, Lee A. Azzarello hat gesagt: // Lee A. Azzarello wrote: > ----- Peter Clarke wrote: > > Dear all, So, it's time to give up on this and get me a USB audio > > interface that WILL work. It looks like the Terratec Phase26 > > would do what I want quite nicely (except for those nasty RCA > > connectors - too unreliable for my liking). Has anyone used this > > successfully? > > I use an Emagic 2|6 with a Pentium 4 laptop for live performance. It > works well with jack. I keep the latency at around 20ms because I > don't need anything lower for my music. I have the Terratec Phase26 and I know some other Linux users who have it as well. It is fully supported and works very well. I used it in my concert at the Linux Audio Conference. The hum that you can hear at the end of the aiff-recording [1] is not the Terratec's fault, we had some issues with another machine plugged into the same mixing desk even with a DI-box, that may be what you hear there. Some vendors carry a version of the Phase26-package without the useless Windows software CD bundle. This version is even cheaper than the full retail package - I paid 139 Euro - and a real steal. [1] http://lad.linuxaudio.org/contrib/zkm_meeting_2006/linux_sound_night/LAC/LAC%2307.aif Ciao -- Frank Barknecht _ ______footils.org_ __goto10.org__ From pinojazz at gmail.com Sun May 7 05:12:39 2006 From: pinojazz at gmail.com (Carlos Pino) Date: Sun May 7 05:14:16 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] music made with linux In-Reply-To: <445D97C0.6030004@gmail.com> References: <445D97C0.6030004@gmail.com> Message-ID: <445DBA07.3030701@gmail.com> Atte Andr? Jensen wrote: > Hi > > I just finished another piece made with realtime csound and mondrian: > > http://atte.dk/compositions/#spiders Very nice,but your jazz stuff is really cool ;-) . Saludos. --Carlos. From pshirkey at boosthardware.com Sun May 7 05:21:27 2006 From: pshirkey at boosthardware.com (Patrick Shirkey) Date: Sun May 7 05:22:08 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] jackEQ-0.4.1 released In-Reply-To: <7352241.7341146966591147.JavaMail.root@mugen.rockingtiger.com> References: <7352241.7341146966591147.JavaMail.root@mugen.rockingtiger.com> Message-ID: <445DBC17.4080309@boosthardware.com> Hi Lee, No probs. Thanks for filing the bug. It's good to see the Debian system is in working order. Lee A. Azzarello wrote: > ----- Patrick Shirkey wrote: >> Hi, >> >> The demudi copy is broken but they are the people who informed me of >> the >> bug so if they haven't already they will update the .deb soon. > > Debian by way of Ubuntu by way of Demudi. I originally submitted the bug report to Debian and it made it all the way to you. > http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=356990 > Thanks for fixing the problem and apologies for my lack of C programming skills and the ability to fix it myself. > > -lee > -- Patrick Shirkey - Boost Hardware Ltd. Http://www.boosthardware.com Http://www.djcj.org/LAU/guide/ - The Linux Audio Users guide ======================================== "Anything your mind can see you can manifest physically, then it will become reality" - Macka B From ce at christeck.de Sun May 7 08:10:36 2006 From: ce at christeck.de (Christoph Eckert) Date: Sun May 7 08:08:54 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] LAC2006 Photos In-Reply-To: <445BD2B6.3090508@jensgulden.de> References: <200605011816.44731.ce@christeck.de> <200605051317.25141.ce@christeck.de> <445BD2B6.3090508@jensgulden.de> Message-ID: <200605071410.36413.ce@christeck.de> > > http://christeck.de/stuff/LAC2006.tar.gz > > 20060430/img_0954-PastAndFutureOrganisators-FrankNeumann_GoetzDipper_ > vs_MarijeBaalman_and_NameForgotten.jpg: > > Mr. "Name Forgotten" is Stefan Kersten, if I'm not totally wrong. thanks & fixed :) . Best regards ce From capocasa at gmx.net Sun May 7 08:34:32 2006 From: capocasa at gmx.net (Carlo Capocasa) Date: Sun May 7 08:35:24 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Apogee Ensemble with Ardour Message-ID: Hi all... After my brief flirt with the Ultra-Low-End I decided it's time to look into something more fun. Following Paul's recommendations I looked into Apogee products and I have to say I like what I see. I want a mobile recording interface with excellent D/A conversion and four Mic pre-amps, preferably in one device. So the Apogee Ensemble looks very good. (Rosetta 800 might also be an option but I don't want to lug a rack to gigs and I'd be happier with a tried-and tested device for the complete analogue signal chain). My goal is ultimately to have an all-MIDI four person band, plus vocals, and do all mixing, synthing and FX processing on x86 CPU. Could I kindly be educated on the linux compatibility of the Ensemble please? Thanks tons. Carlo From atte.jensen at gmail.com Sun May 7 10:44:05 2006 From: atte.jensen at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Atte_Andr=E9_Jensen?=) Date: Sun May 7 10:44:14 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] music made with linux In-Reply-To: <445DBA07.3030701@gmail.com> References: <445D97C0.6030004@gmail.com> <445DBA07.3030701@gmail.com> Message-ID: <445E07B5.8090309@gmail.com> Carlos Pino wrote: > Very nice,but your jazz stuff is really cool ;-) . Thanks. I must admit I'm only a jazz pianist :-) I do like to make electric noises, though, and this one is in a "style" that I'm not that familiar with. Just trying to open up, listen and learn. -- peace, love & harmony Atte http://www.atte.dk | quartet: http://www.anagrammer.dk http://www.atte.dk/gps | compositions: http://www.atte.dk/compositions From lau at kudla.org Sun May 7 15:14:46 2006 From: lau at kudla.org (Rob) Date: Sun May 7 15:15:25 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] The MySpace terms for content In-Reply-To: <20060507085920.2ab5f826@office> References: <25601084.7381146979717970.JavaMail.root@mugen.rockingtiger.com> <200605070148.51798.lau@kudla.org> <20060507085920.2ab5f826@office> Message-ID: <200605071514.46806.lau@kudla.org> On Sun May 7 2006 03:59, Folderol wrote: > I think the bottom line is that, whatever the fine details > are, anyone who wants to retain a semblance of control over > their creative work should avoid this organisation like it > were the plague. I'm no fan of Myspace, but I think you could say the exact same thing about most of the Creative Commons licenses. Whatever you may think of their terms, they are nothing like the "sign over all copyright in perpetuity" terms you described at the beginning of this thread. Rob From dubphil at free.fr Sun May 7 16:24:44 2006 From: dubphil at free.fr (Dubphil) Date: Sun May 7 16:24:52 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] USB audio interface - Terratec Phase26 any good? In-Reply-To: <22565955.7281146964325572.JavaMail.root@mugen.rockingtiger.com> References: <22565955.7281146964325572.JavaMail.root@mugen.rockingtiger.com> Message-ID: <445E578C.5080207@free.fr> >> Has >> anyone used this successfully? Of course ! me ... I don't regret this purchase Regards Philippe From reuben.m at gmail.com Sun May 7 16:52:17 2006 From: reuben.m at gmail.com (Reuben Martin) Date: Sun May 7 16:52:24 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Apogee Ensemble with Ardour In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 5/7/06, Carlo Capocasa wrote: > Hi all... After my brief flirt with the Ultra-Low-End I decided it's > time to look into something more fun. Following Paul's recommendations I > looked into Apogee products and I have to say I like what I see. I want > a mobile recording interface with excellent D/A conversion and four Mic > pre-amps, preferably in one device. > > So the Apogee Ensemble looks very good. (Rosetta 800 might also be an > option but I don't want to lug a rack to gigs and I'd be happier with a > tried-and tested device for the complete analogue signal chain). The Ensemble is a rack unit as well. > > My goal is ultimately to have an all-MIDI four person band, plus vocals, > and do all mixing, synthing and FX processing on x86 CPU. > > Could I kindly be educated on the linux compatibility of the Ensemble > please? Apogee makes some of the very best hardware. But linux support for these devices is just now starting to be useable, so be careful. With the freebob backend to jack (freebob.sf.net) Apogee's devices that use firewire connections are now supported. However this support was only merged into the jack CVS a couple weeks ago. It's probably not very stable. I know the Rosetta 200/800 and the AD/DA-16x units should work ok, but I'm not sure about the Ensemble unit. It uses some software to controll it, and it there is no other way to controll the device other than through the software they provide then you would be in trouble because that software is not designed to run on Linux. If all the functionality is accessable from the hareware interface though then you should be alright. But again, consider support for Apogee firewire devices on linux right now to be "experimental" and not really recommended for production use yet. > > Thanks tons. > > Carlo > > From dana at ubuntustudio.com Sun May 7 18:04:56 2006 From: dana at ubuntustudio.com (Dana Olson) Date: Sun May 7 18:03:26 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] molnar patch In-Reply-To: <1146883567.5417.8.camel@localhost> References: <1146883567.5417.8.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <1147039497.7838.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Fri, 2006-05-05 at 22:46 -0400, greg wrote: > Ok I don't know how I didn't find this out but I couldn't find any docs > on how to get apps running w/ realtime once you use the molnar patch. I > know ubuntustudio.com has a launcher app but i'm curious. > > also this list is great. I've lurked / asked some noob questions for a > while now. Did you bother reading the rest of the stuff on my site? Or did you just stop reading once you got to the kernel part? The kernel is only one part of it, and even that is optional if you get acceptable performance without Ingo's patch. Here is a hint: http://www.ubuntustudio.com/wiki/index.php/Breezy:Studio_Preparation#Real-Time_Support -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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A page with example sounds or > >>music from the various packages would be helpful I think. > > All of these programs benefit immensly from a fair bit of a > > theoretical background, which you can only get from books, IMO. I > > would very much recommend to get hold of Dodge/Jerse: "Computer > > Music". It's the best introduction into the topic of Computer-based > > synthesis. > > > > Another slightly older, but very good book is Moore: "Elements of > > Computer Music". I like it even more than the Dodge/Jerse, but some > > important topics are missing because of its age, e.g. granular > > synthesis. I would avoid Roads: "Computer Music Tutorial" for now, it > > is more an encyclopedia than an introductory book. > > I'm curious to know what you, or any others here, might have to say > about Eduardo Miranda's books > > -Eric Rz. > I think they are vague anda bit rambly. I'm not really a fan. They have a nice vibe but it's really more of a general discussion than anything to the point. i didn't get much out of reading the ones of his i read. Haven't read the latest one though. Loki From zettberlin at linuxuse.de Sun May 7 19:41:51 2006 From: zettberlin at linuxuse.de (Hartmut Noack) Date: Sun May 7 19:32:39 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Announcing the "KarmaPod" In-Reply-To: References: <8e124f160605021328m2f54aaa7q177829e7f099244a@mail.gmail.com> <4457C6E5.70403@linuxuse.de> Message-ID: <445E85BF.1090906@linuxuse.de> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hello David, David O'Toole schrieb: > But, if > this continues to be a problem, would you consider hosting about 1.2 > MB of images on your site? No Problem ;-) > > What type of server is it---always online? a simple rootserver, static IP, always up, 2 Terabytes traffic/Month included (i need about 2 Gig/Month of that...) Hartmut Z Noack http://linuxuse.de/snd -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.0 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFEXoW/1Aecwva1SWMRAl50AJ90dc8JgIY2FV8mQoLy9y3XiQHVcACfUkWq 5KfEr8zIxEf11qUqbyqH03E= =EFee -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From eun.sung at no-log.org Mon May 8 01:22:24 2006 From: eun.sung at no-log.org (eun.sung@no-log.org) Date: Mon May 8 01:22:34 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [ANN] Dino 0.2 In-Reply-To: <1146926701.7945.6.camel@localhost> References: <1146926701.7945.6.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <10773.VwMBDwsGUSs=.1147065744.squirrel@webmail.no-log.org> hi i'd really like to use dino, as it seems simple and efficient. i tried to sequence zynaddsubfx but when i create a nex track in dino i can't choose the zynadd channel output. i've not tried with another midi client (what i should do). and could you please explain me how edit patterns? by the way i really like the interface thanks > Dino is a MIDI sequencer for GNU/Linux that uses JACK MIDI and JACK > transport to send MIDI events to synths and synchronise with other > sequencers or transport aware programs. It uses LASH to save and restore > sessions. This is the first release. Get it at http://dinoseq.sf.net . > > Requirements: > * libglademm >= 2.4.1 > * libxml++ >= 2.6.1 > * JACK >= 0.100 with the MIDI patch available here: > http://www.custard.org/~deviant/jack-midi/ > * LASH >= 0.5.0 > > -- > Lars Luthman > PGP key: http://www.student.nada.kth.se/~d00-llu/pgp_key.php > Fingerprint: FCA7 C790 19B9 322D EB7A E1B3 4371 4650 04C7 7E2E > From clemens at ladisch.de Mon May 8 03:41:45 2006 From: clemens at ladisch.de (Clemens Ladisch) Date: Mon May 8 03:42:20 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Serial midi trouble In-Reply-To: <20060505203332.GA7008@reus> References: <20060503174755.GA6975@reus> <20060504180442.GI26321@turing.informatik.uni-halle.de> <20060504182829.GB9850@reus> <20060505114357.GD2160@spma33> <20060505203332.GA7008@reus> Message-ID: <20060508074145.GE11272@turing.informatik.uni-halle.de> Gerrit Niestijl wrote: > ... > Indeed, i discovered that my cmipci card has a game port that can be used > as midi port through a module parameter, just like the SB-Live. I even > have a suitable midi cable for it. First tests show that it works well. > > But i am considering bying a better midi interface though, with at least 2 > in/out ports, so i can connect other equipment as well. It will have to be > a usb thing, because i am out of pci slots. There's no need to drop the gameport interface; USB interface have a slightly higher latency (about 1 ms more). > Any suggestions are welcome, by the way. http://qbik.ch/usb/devices/search_res.php?pattern=midi+interface HTH Clemens From clemens at ladisch.de Mon May 8 04:08:15 2006 From: clemens at ladisch.de (Clemens Ladisch) Date: Mon May 8 04:08:57 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] My MIDI latency is crap In-Reply-To: References: <1146804529.18891.7.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <20060508080815.GF11272@turing.informatik.uni-halle.de> Josh Lawrence wrote: > I have the local turned off on my keyboard, so that when I play a note > on the keyboard, the MIDI signal passes through MusE, and back to my > keyboard's sound generator. I tried to look at MuSE's source to see how it implements MIDI Through, but apparently MuSE doesn't do anything MIDI related. How did you connect the keyboard to MuSE? Are you using Jack MIDI? Regards, Clemens From capocasa at gmx.net Mon May 8 05:10:17 2006 From: capocasa at gmx.net (Carlo Capocasa) Date: Mon May 8 05:10:51 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Apogee Ensemble with Ardour In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Reuben! Thank you very much for your very helpful information... It looks right now as if I will continue the Ultra-Low-End for a while until Apogee has better support. > The Ensemble is a rack unit as well. Yes, I don't mind carrying around one rack-mountable device. I just want to avoid a complete heavy-duty rack with several devices if possible so I can use public transport to get to smaller gigs (quite possible in Switzerland without a lot of luggage). > than through the software they provide then you would be in trouble > because that software is not designed to run on Linux. If all the > functionality is accessable from the hareware interface though then > you should be alright. >From their web site it looks as if the software's the only way to control things. Which would mean the Rosetta with seperate pre-amps looks like the best option... Too bad. Maybe I'll have to compromise on audio quality (maybe the Motu UltraLite or something from RME) in order to get the portability. Thanks Again, Reuben! Carlo From larsl at users.sourceforge.net Mon May 8 06:18:57 2006 From: larsl at users.sourceforge.net (Lars Luthman) Date: Mon May 8 06:19:09 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [ANN] Dino 0.2 In-Reply-To: <10773.VwMBDwsGUSs=.1147065744.squirrel@webmail.no-log.org> References: <1146926701.7945.6.camel@localhost> <10773.VwMBDwsGUSs=.1147065744.squirrel@webmail.no-log.org> Message-ID: <1147083537.8291.13.camel@localhost> On Mon, 2006-05-08 at 07:22 +0200, eun.sung@no-log.org wrote: > hi > i'd really like to use dino, as it seems simple and efficient. > i tried to sequence zynaddsubfx but when i create a nex track in dino i > can't choose the zynadd channel output. i've not tried with another midi > client (what i should do). Dino only works with synths that have JACK MIDI ports. The standard version of ZynAddSubFX does not have that, you need to patch it with one of these patches: http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=1310895&group_id=62934&atid=502314 http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=1310897&group_id=62934&atid=502314 The second one is better since that adds support for LASH as well. These patches add a JACK MIDI port that work simultaneously with the ALSA sequencer port, so you can use Dino and e.g. your ALSA-supported keyboard with ZynAddSubFX at the same time. > and could you please explain me how edit patterns? There is a brief description in the README. Basically it's like this: * Ctrl-left click adds notes * Ctrl-right click removes notes * Middle click and drag left/right changes the length of notes * Ctrl-middle click and drag up/down changes the velocity of notes * Left clicking and dragging outside notes selects all notes inside the dragged box * Shift-left click selects or unselects a single note * Clicking and dragging a note moves that note (or the entire selection) * Middle-clicking outside notes inserts a copy of the current selection at that point * "Cut", "Copy", "Paste", "Delete", "Select all" work as expected (except that when you "Paste" you have to click where you want the notes in the clipboard to appear) * Left clicking and/or dragging in the controller box adds controller events, right clicking and/or dragging removes them > by the way i really like the interface Thank you. -- Lars Luthman PGP key: http://www.student.nada.kth.se/~d00-llu/pgp_key.php Fingerprint: FCA7 C790 19B9 322D EB7A E1B3 4371 4650 04C7 7E2E -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 191 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part Url : http://music.columbia.edu/pipermail/linux-audio-user/attachments/20060508/b1199a29/attachment-0001.bin From eun.sung at no-log.org Mon May 8 09:43:00 2006 From: eun.sung at no-log.org (eun.sung@no-log.org) Date: Mon May 8 09:43:14 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [ANN] Dino 0.2 In-Reply-To: <1147083537.8291.13.camel@localhost> References: <1146926701.7945.6.camel@localhost> <10773.VwMBDwsGUSs=.1147065744.squirrel@webmail.no-log.org> <1147083537.8291.13.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <50914.B1dVX15TX38=.1147095780.squirrel@webmail.no-log.org> > On Mon, 2006-05-08 at 07:22 +0200, eun.sung@no-log.org wrote: >> hi >> i'd really like to use dino, as it seems simple and efficient. >> i tried to sequence zynaddsubfx but when i create a nex track in dino i >> can't choose the zynadd channel output. i've not tried with another midi >> client (what i should do). > > Dino only works with synths that have JACK MIDI ports. The standard > version of ZynAddSubFX does not have that, you need to patch it with one > of these patches: > > http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=1310895&group_id=62934&atid=502314 > > http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=1310897&group_id=62934&atid=502314 > ok thanks for info > The second one is better since that adds support for LASH as well. These > patches add a JACK MIDI port that work simultaneously with the ALSA > sequencer port, so you can use Dino and e.g. your ALSA-supported > keyboard with ZynAddSubFX at the same time. > >> and could you please explain me how edit patterns? > > There is a brief description in the README. Basically it's like this: > > * Ctrl-left click adds notes > * Ctrl-right click removes notes > * Middle click and drag left/right changes the length of notes > * Ctrl-middle click and drag up/down changes the velocity of notes > * Left clicking and dragging outside notes selects all notes inside the > dragged box > * Shift-left click selects or unselects a single note > * Clicking and dragging a note moves that note (or the entire > selection) > * Middle-clicking outside notes inserts a copy of the current selection > at that point > * "Cut", "Copy", "Paste", "Delete", "Select all" work as expected > (except that when you "Paste" you have to click where you want the > notes in the clipboard to appear) > * Left clicking and/or dragging in the controller box adds controller > events, right clicking and/or dragging removes them > >> by the way i really like the interface > > Thank you. > oh sorry, i haven't check the README file, but if i dare an advice, maybe you should put this "manual" online? > -- > Lars Luthman > PGP key: http://www.student.nada.kth.se/~d00-llu/pgp_key.php > Fingerprint: FCA7 C790 19B9 322D EB7A E1B3 4371 4650 04C7 7E2E > From vfunc at talktalk.net Mon May 8 09:51:29 2006 From: vfunc at talktalk.net (Daniel) Date: Mon May 8 09:52:40 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] segmentation fault using miniFMsynth test program Message-ID: <0dba01c672a6$8249cc90$27510d54@DANSHOME> Hi, I've got ALSA, installed and configured. esdplay can playback a wav file. When I compiled and ran miniFMsynth I get a segmentation fault error. What can I do to probe the setup and check the ALSA configuration is alright. Thanks, Daniel From lee at rockingtiger.com Mon May 8 10:45:01 2006 From: lee at rockingtiger.com (Lee A. Azzarello) Date: Mon May 8 10:45:16 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Apogee Ensemble with Ardour Message-ID: <24859634.7781147099501785.JavaMail.root@mugen.rockingtiger.com> ----- Carlo Capocasa wrote: > Hi Reuben! Thank you very much for your very helpful information... > It > looks right now as if I will continue the Ultra-Low-End for a while > until Apogee has better support. The PCI interfaces by RME are supported in the kernel last time I checked. Their converters and I/O options are excellent, though it's been four years since I used the multiface. -lee From hardbop200 at gmail.com Mon May 8 13:03:34 2006 From: hardbop200 at gmail.com (Josh Lawrence) Date: Mon May 8 13:03:43 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] molnar patch In-Reply-To: <1147039497.7838.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1146883567.5417.8.camel@localhost> <1147039497.7838.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: On 5/7/06, Dana Olson wrote: > Did you bother reading the rest of the stuff on my site? Or did you just > stop reading once you got to the kernel part? The kernel is only one > part of it, and even that is optional if you get acceptable performance > without Ingo's patch. > > Here is a hint: > http://www.ubuntustudio.com/wiki/index.php/Breezy:Studio_Preparation#Real-Time_Support fyi, I've followed Dana's instructions more than once and found them to be excellent. Just use a little common sense when following them (there are newer versions of the kernel and the patch out) and you'll be fine. As Dana mentioned, there's a LOT more to getting realtime working than just the kernel - be sure to read everything there. -- Josh Lawrence http://www.hardbop200.com From parumi at iua.upf.edu Mon May 8 13:33:06 2006 From: parumi at iua.upf.edu (Pau Arumi) Date: Mon May 8 13:24:09 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] CLAM Music Annotator 0.3.1 released Message-ID: <445F80D2.70406@iua.upf.edu> May 8th 2006, CLAM Music Annotator 0.3.1 released What is the CLAM Music Annotator? --------------------------------- Is an application of the CLAM framework [1] that can be used to visualise, check and modify music information extracted from audio: low level features, note segmentation, chords, structure... The tool is intended to be useful for (though not limited to) the music information retrieval research whenever you need to: - Supervise and correct the results of automated audio feature extraction algorithms - Generate manually edited annotations of audio as training examples or ground truth for those algorithms. You can learn more about Music Annotator in its wiki page, which includes screenshots and videos galleries: http://iua-share.upf.es/wikis/clam/index.php/Music_Annotator The application comes with two example extractors. One that computes low level descriptors and another that performs chord detection. It also features useful views such as the "tonnetz" and "key space" to visualise the tonal features (chords, notes...) CLAM Music Annotator is GPL. What's new from last (0.2) version ? ------------------------------------ This is a major release which have at least duplicated the number of important features. - Ported to Qt4 - New chord extractor - Colourful animated visualisations - Improved application work-flow (project building, etc.) - It also works as a collaborative annotation tool (BOCA client) See the changelog [2] for a complete list of changes. or the wiki [3] for general information. How to install it? ------------------ In Windows we provide a binary installer which includes all the needed libraries (including Qt4) and ready-to-use sample data. For Linux and Mac OSX we don't provide binaries at this moment (though we plan to do in short). Source tarballs can be downloaded from the web and complete build instructions can be found in the INSTALL file. http://clam.iua.upf.edu/download.html Acknowledgements ----------------- This project is partially founded by SIMAC European Project, IST-507142 and Catalunya's Government, exp 200/05 ST The chord extractor extracts segments labeled with chords. It uses Christopher Harte algorithm with some minor variations. It has been developed as a collaboration between the Queen Mary University of London and the Universitat Pompeu Fabra (UPF) of Barcelona. The "keyspace" view is a great contribution of Jordi Bonada and Emilia Gomez, at UPF. The CLAM team Music Tecnology Group Universitat Pompeu Fabra (Barcelona) References: 1. http://clam.iua.upf.edu 2. http://iua-share.upf.es/wikis/clam/index.php/Music_Annotator_Changelog 3. http://iua-share.upf.es/wikis/clam/index.php/Music_Annotator From mista.tapas at gmx.net Mon May 8 14:14:53 2006 From: mista.tapas at gmx.net (Florian Paul Schmidt) Date: Mon May 8 14:15:02 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] molnar patch In-Reply-To: References: <1146883567.5417.8.camel@localhost> <1147039497.7838.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <20060508201453.02c19dbe@mango.fruits> On Mon, 8 May 2006 12:03:34 -0500 "Josh Lawrence" wrote: > On 5/7/06, Dana Olson wrote: > > Did you bother reading the rest of the stuff on my site? Or did you just > > stop reading once you got to the kernel part? The kernel is only one > > part of it, and even that is optional if you get acceptable performance > > without Ingo's patch. > > > > Here is a hint: > > http://www.ubuntustudio.com/wiki/index.php/Breezy:Studio_Preparation#Real-Time_Support > > fyi, I've followed Dana's instructions more than once and found them > to be excellent. Just use a little common sense when following them > (there are newer versions of the kernel and the patch out) and you'll > be fine. > > As Dana mentioned, there's a LOT more to getting realtime working than > just the kernel - be sure to read everything there. I browsed over that page and didn't find any info on setting up the irq handler priorities which is _the_ essential feature of -rt. Flo -- Palimm Palimm! http://tapas.affenbande.org From lists at pelvoux.nildram.co.uk Mon May 8 14:28:35 2006 From: lists at pelvoux.nildram.co.uk (Steve Fosdick) Date: Mon May 8 14:26:36 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Reel to Reel Tape, Speeds and Software Equalisation Message-ID: <20060508192835.41c25d64.lists@pelvoux.nildram.co.uk> A friend of mine has some old reel-to-reel tapes which we'd like to transfer to CD. Unfortunately most of the material was recorded at 3 3/4 inch/sec or 1 7/8 inch/sec and the only speed my reel to reel machine will do reliably is 7 1/2 inch/sec. I can record the output of the tape machine running at 7 1/2 inch/sec and then use software re-sampling (sox, or sndfile-resample) to get a file that plays at the correct speed but I wonder if I should also be applying some equalisation in software as multi-speed machines usually have different equalisation constants for different speeds. So, does the equalisation compensate for the record process or playback process at a given speed or a combination of both. If it compensating only for playback then I should be OK, otherwise I presumably should be applying extra EQ in software - anyone know how I could calculate what, assuming I have the usual LADSPA plugins at my disposal and that the signal has already been through the playback EQ for 7 1/2 inch/sec? TiA, Steve. From nando at ccrma.Stanford.EDU Mon May 8 14:38:53 2006 From: nando at ccrma.Stanford.EDU (Fernando Lopez-Lezcano) Date: Mon May 8 14:39:16 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] molnar patch In-Reply-To: <20060508201453.02c19dbe@mango.fruits> References: <1146883567.5417.8.camel@localhost> <1147039497.7838.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20060508201453.02c19dbe@mango.fruits> Message-ID: <1147113533.17812.3.camel@cmn3.stanford.edu> On Mon, 2006-05-08 at 20:14 +0200, Florian Paul Schmidt wrote: > On Mon, 8 May 2006 12:03:34 -0500 > "Josh Lawrence" wrote: > > > On 5/7/06, Dana Olson wrote: > > > Did you bother reading the rest of the stuff on my site? Or did you just > > > stop reading once you got to the kernel part? The kernel is only one > > > part of it, and even that is optional if you get acceptable performance > > > without Ingo's patch. > > > > > > Here is a hint: > > > http://www.ubuntustudio.com/wiki/index.php/Breezy:Studio_Preparation#Real-Time_Support > > > > fyi, I've followed Dana's instructions more than once and found them > > to be excellent. Just use a little common sense when following them > > (there are newer versions of the kernel and the patch out) and you'll > > be fine. > > > > As Dana mentioned, there's a LOT more to getting realtime working than > > just the kernel - be sure to read everything there. > > I browsed over that page and didn't find any info on setting up the irq > handler priorities which is _the_ essential feature of -rt. You should look at the rtirq startup script by Rui Nuno Capela: http://www.rncbc.org/jack/ I use it successfully to get everything prioritized right automagically. Jack itself should be below the priority of the soundcard interrupt as set by rtirq. -- Fernando From folderol at ukfsn.org Mon May 8 15:02:24 2006 From: folderol at ukfsn.org (Folderol) Date: Mon May 8 15:01:33 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Reel to Reel Tape, Speeds and Software Equalisation In-Reply-To: <20060508192835.41c25d64.lists@pelvoux.nildram.co.uk> References: <20060508192835.41c25d64.lists@pelvoux.nildram.co.uk> Message-ID: <20060508200224.2773f55c@office> On Mon, 8 May 2006 19:28:35 +0100 Steve Fosdick wrote: > A friend of mine has some old reel-to-reel tapes which we'd like to transfer to CD. Unfortunately most of the material was recorded at 3 3/4 inch/sec or 1 7/8 inch/sec and the only speed my reel to reel machine will do reliably is 7 1/2 inch/sec. > > I can record the output of the tape machine running at 7 1/2 inch/sec and then use software re-sampling (sox, or sndfile-resample) to get a file that plays at the correct speed but I wonder if I should also be applying some equalisation in software as multi-speed machines usually have different equalisation constants for different speeds. > > So, does the equalisation compensate for the record process or playback process at a given speed or a combination of both. If it compensating only for playback then I should be OK, otherwise I presumably should be applying extra EQ in software - anyone know how I could calculate what, assuming I have the usual LADSPA plugins at my disposal and that the signal has already been through the playback EQ for 7 1/2 inch/sec? > > TiA, > Steve. Wow! That's a biggie :( From (not perfect) memory. Recording Eq is mostly Treble pre-emphisis and some Bass boost, to compensate both for recording losses and to provide a recorded (on tape) response that is substantially flat up to about 5kHz, then rises till about 15kHz then levels off again. The first complication is that, surprisingly, the faster the tape speed the more Bass boost is required. Not so surprisingly, the faster the tape speed, the less pre-emphisis is used, but this is not a linear relationship. Doubling the tape speed does NOT double the turnover frequencies that are used. On playback any remaining Bass lift is supposed to be removed partly by the failing LF response of the playback head (which will again be different at different tape speeds and partly by filtering which is also intended to reduce LF noise. At the HF end a lot of tricks are used, especially at the lower tape speeds to get just that last bit of 'top-end'. It's all there on tape but the head gap size is critical. By playing back at the 'wrong' speed you mess up all the clever balancing acts and, especially for recordings made at 1..7/8 you are likely to have all sorts of dips and peaks. Top end was never especially good at this speed but you will make it even worse. Consider, a 10kHz recorded signal will now be coming back at 40kHz, and unless you have an exceptional machine, it probably won't be coming back at all. I suggest that the best you can do is see if you can find a vynl or CD copy of just one of the tracks and use this as a reference to set up a graphic equaliser to get somewhere near the right sound for all the tracks. Better of course would be to find some kind soul with a multispeed tapedeck! -- F From gn at hetnet.nl Mon May 8 15:41:40 2006 From: gn at hetnet.nl (Gerrit Niestijl) Date: Mon May 8 15:41:49 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Serial midi trouble In-Reply-To: <20060508074145.GE11272@turing.informatik.uni-halle.de> References: <20060503174755.GA6975@reus> <20060504180442.GI26321@turing.informatik.uni-halle.de> <20060504182829.GB9850@reus> <20060505114357.GD2160@spma33> <20060505203332.GA7008@reus> <20060508074145.GE11272@turing.informatik.uni-halle.de> Message-ID: <20060508194139.GA7028@reus> On Mon, May 08, 2006 at 09:41:45AM +0200, Clemens Ladisch wrote: > Gerrit Niestijl wrote: > > ... > > Indeed, i discovered that my cmipci card has a game port that can be used > > as midi port through a module parameter, just like the SB-Live. I even > > have a suitable midi cable for it. First tests show that it works well. > > > > But i am considering bying a better midi interface though, with at least 2 > > in/out ports, so i can connect other equipment as well. It will have to be > > a usb thing, because i am out of pci slots. > > There's no need to drop the gameport interface; USB interface have a > slightly higher latency (about 1 ms more). > > > Any suggestions are welcome, by the way. > > http://qbik.ch/usb/devices/search_res.php?pattern=midi+interface Thanks! Like usual i couldn't wait so i went ahead and bought the only thing that was in stock in the local store, a 'Phonic midi hub', an USB device with 2 ins and 2 outs and a 'thru' switch that is supposed to work also when the device is not connected to a computer. It is not listed on the site above but it does work OK. It shows itself as 'USB Device 0x170b:0x21'. -- gerrit From woho at woho.de Mon May 8 15:54:53 2006 From: woho at woho.de (Wolfgang Hoffmann) Date: Mon May 8 15:58:11 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] -rt IRQ handler priorities (was: Re: molnar patch) In-Reply-To: <20060508201453.02c19dbe@mango.fruits> References: <1146883567.5417.8.camel@localhost> <20060508201453.02c19dbe@mango.fruits> Message-ID: <200605082154.53499.woho@woho.de> On Monday 08 May 2006 20:14, Florian Paul Schmidt wrote: > On Mon, 8 May 2006 12:03:34 -0500 > > "Josh Lawrence" wrote: > > fyi, I've followed Dana's instructions more than once and found them > > to be excellent. Just use a little common sense when following them > > (there are newer versions of the kernel and the patch out) and you'll > > be fine. > > > > As Dana mentioned, there's a LOT more to getting realtime working than > > just the kernel - be sure to read everything there. > > I browsed over that page and didn't find any info on setting up the irq > handler priorities which is _the_ essential feature of -rt. Apropos: on your page on -rt setup (excellent page, btw., many thanks! :-), you suggest raising "softirq-timer/0" to prio 99, to make sleep() function right (http://tapas.affenbande.org/?page_id=40 sleep() based/system timer). I did so, and got strange latencies (> 40 ms) exactly once every 10 minutes, caused by some routing-related action (rt_secret_rebuild) being run by the softirq-timer/0 thread. Don't you get bit by that, too? Kernel is 2.6.16-rt16 My solution is to configure with CONFIG_HIGH_RES_TIMERS=y. Then, sleep() wakes up correctly even with softirq-timer/0 being low-priority (SCHED_FIFO 1 or even SCHED_OTHER). In general I find adjusting priorities of the various softirq kernel threads a bit of secret art. I can't find much documentation about "what kernel thread runs which job" that would help making some proper decisions here. I found my desktop "feels" most responsive when demoting all softirq thread to SCHED_OTHER. I did so after seeing that with a non-rt kernel, bottom-half handler don't run SCHED_FIFO/_RR at all. So -rt now gives me robust low latencies for jackd, and still proper desktop feeling. Well, maybe this is getting off-topic for this list. But it seems to me trimming priorities between kernel and userland threads is a bit like no man's land. Wolfgang From rj at spamatica.se Mon May 8 17:15:55 2006 From: rj at spamatica.se (Robert Jonsson) Date: Mon May 8 16:14:40 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] My MIDI latency is crap In-Reply-To: <20060508080815.GF11272@turing.informatik.uni-halle.de> References: <20060508080815.GF11272@turing.informatik.uni-halle.de> Message-ID: <200605082215.56529.rj@spamatica.se> Hi Clemens, On Monday 08 May 2006 09:08, Clemens Ladisch wrote: > Josh Lawrence wrote: > > I have the local turned off on my keyboard, so that when I play a note > > on the keyboard, the MIDI signal passes through MusE, and back to my > > keyboard's sound generator. > > I tried to look at MuSE's source to see how it implements MIDI Through, > but apparently MuSE doesn't do anything MIDI related. The unfortunate truth is that there are two muse projects. MuSE which you probably looked at, a streaming server I think.. and MusE, a sequencer, which is likely the one being talked about here. http://muse-sequencer.org. Think I missed most of this thread.. the issue is midi roundtrip latency I gather. How much latency is 'crap'? To my knowledge MusE reschedules incoming midi events using the best timing source at hand (if available rtc is used, if not, alsa), latency should be negligible. Regards, Robert > > How did you connect the keyboard to MuSE? Are you using Jack MIDI? > > > Regards, > Clemens -- http://spamatica.se/musicsite/ From rlrevell at joe-job.com Mon May 8 16:30:14 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Mon May 8 16:30:26 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] My MIDI latency is crap In-Reply-To: <200605082215.56529.rj@spamatica.se> References: <20060508080815.GF11272@turing.informatik.uni-halle.de> <200605082215.56529.rj@spamatica.se> Message-ID: <1147120215.2980.39.camel@mindpipe> On Mon, 2006-05-08 at 22:15 +0100, Robert Jonsson wrote: > Hi Clemens, > > On Monday 08 May 2006 09:08, Clemens Ladisch wrote: > > Josh Lawrence wrote: > > > I have the local turned off on my keyboard, so that when I play a note > > > on the keyboard, the MIDI signal passes through MusE, and back to my > > > keyboard's sound generator. > > > > I tried to look at MuSE's source to see how it implements MIDI Through, > > but apparently MuSE doesn't do anything MIDI related. > > The unfortunate truth is that there are two muse projects. MuSE which you > probably looked at, a streaming server I think.. and MusE, a sequencer, which > is likely the one being talked about here. > http://muse-sequencer.org. > > Think I missed most of this thread.. the issue is midi roundtrip latency I > gather. > How much latency is 'crap'? To my knowledge MusE reschedules incoming midi > events using the best timing source at hand (if available rtc is used, if > not, alsa), latency should be negligible. > What is /proc/sys/dev/rtc/max-user-freq set to? Lee > Regards, > Robert > > > > > How did you connect the keyboard to MuSE? Are you using Jack MIDI? > > > > > > Regards, > > Clemens > From phil at rephil.org Mon May 8 16:31:31 2006 From: phil at rephil.org (Phil Mendelsohn) Date: Mon May 8 16:31:42 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Reel to Reel Tape, Speeds and Software Equalisation (Steve Fosdick) In-Reply-To: <20060508183918.6282B154AB93@music.columbia.edu> References: <20060508183918.6282B154AB93@music.columbia.edu> Message-ID: <61545.64.201.190.96.1147120291.squirrel@webmail.non-prophet.org> > 7. Reel to Reel Tape, Speeds and Software Equalisation > (Steve Fosdick) Hi, Steve, > I can record the output of the tape machine running at 7 1/2 inch/sec and > then use software re-sampling (sox, or sndfile-resample) to get a file > that plays at the correct speed but I wonder if I should also be applying > some equalisation in software as multi-speed machines usually have > different equalisation constants for different speeds. The idea thing would be to record it at 88.1kHz, then you'd only have to decimate it (i.e., downsample by 2, with no filtering) to get the result you're after. Reconstruction filters on playback would be giving you free anti-aliasing. :) This would also have some (really mild) noise reduction benefits. > So, does the equalisation compensate for the record process or playback > process at a given speed or a combination of both. If it compensating > only for playback then I should be OK, otherwise I presumably should be > applying extra EQ in software - anyone know how I could calculate what, > assuming I have the usual LADSPA plugins at my disposal and that the > signal has already been through the playback EQ for 7 1/2 inch/sec? You probably don't need to get very uptight. I think what you're referring to are the NAB/IEC/DIN EQ curves, but I don't believe those were ever specified for the speeds you're talking about. If you were worried about the response for 15ips or 30ips, then sure, it would make sense. But the odds are that the EQ circuits at your disposal are fairly funky to begin with, so I'd really recommend doing it by ear. (It always chafed a little, but even doing pro level mastering, that's what it comes down to for a lot of tape decks.) In fact, unless you were given a set of calibration tones for the partcular machine that *made* the recordings, you really have no other choice. This is a really long way of saying, "Yes, EQ compensates for _both_ record and playback." HTH. Phil M P.S.: If these are mono recordings, you will get about 6dB of noise reduction by summing the two channels of a stereo playback machine to mono! -- Dept. of Mathematics, 342 Machray Hall U. of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada R3T 2N2 Office: 446 Machray Hall, 204-474-6470 http://www.rephil.org/ phil at rephil dot org From julien at c-lab.de Mon May 8 18:08:53 2006 From: julien at c-lab.de (Julien Claassen) Date: Mon May 8 18:09:14 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] segmentation fault using miniFMsynth test program In-Reply-To: <0dba01c672a6$8249cc90$27510d54@DANSHOME> References: <0dba01c672a6$8249cc90$27510d54@DANSHOME> Message-ID: Hi! I'd first try running miniFmSynth in a debugger. gdb in the console or something else in a gui. with gdb it would look like: bash-prompt:~ # gdb ./miniFmSynth [options you like] gdb> run [some error message] gdb> traceback Not sure about the traceback command, but you could try help. It will tell you, where it failed. If you can't understand this directly, someone else here most certainly can. You could check your alsa-version should be >0.9.4 You can try using aplay to play a sound (which is alsa-basic equipment) and you could try some other midi-sequencer/synth to test midi/audio. Try fluidsynth, ams, ZynAddSubFX or the like... HTH. Kindest regards Julien -------- Music was my first love and it will be my last (John Miles) ======== FIND MY WEB-PROJECT AT: ======== http://ltsb.sourceforge.net - the Linux TextBased Studio guide From mista.tapas at gmx.net Mon May 8 18:47:50 2006 From: mista.tapas at gmx.net (Florian Paul Schmidt) Date: Mon May 8 18:48:01 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] -rt IRQ handler priorities (was: Re: molnar patch) In-Reply-To: <200605082154.53499.woho@woho.de> References: <1146883567.5417.8.camel@localhost> <20060508201453.02c19dbe@mango.fruits> <200605082154.53499.woho@woho.de> Message-ID: <20060509004750.3f9556ca@mango.fruits> On Mon, 8 May 2006 21:54:53 +0200 Wolfgang Hoffmann wrote: > > I browsed over that page and didn't find any info on setting up the irq > > handler priorities which is _the_ essential feature of -rt. > > Apropos: on your page on -rt setup (excellent page, btw., many thanks! :-), > you suggest raising "softirq-timer/0" to prio 99, to make sleep() function > right (http://tapas.affenbande.org/?page_id=40 sleep() based/system timer). > > I did so, and got strange latencies (> 40 ms) exactly once every 10 minutes, > caused by some routing-related action (rt_secret_rebuild) being run by the > softirq-timer/0 thread. Don't you get bit by that, too? Kernel is 2.6.16-rt16 I haven't been bitten by that. Do you also get xruns with [i suppose so, just asking to make sure]? I haven't had as much time as before to play around and test things, so maybe it has crept into the kernel recently or maybe i just always had high-res timers enabled. > My solution is to configure with CONFIG_HIGH_RES_TIMERS=y. Then, sleep() wakes > up correctly even with softirq-timer/0 being low-priority (SCHED_FIFO 1 or > even SCHED_OTHER). > > In general I find adjusting priorities of the various softirq kernel threads a > bit of secret art. I can't find much documentation about "what kernel thread > runs which job" that would help making some proper decisions here. I found my > desktop "feels" most responsive when demoting all softirq thread to > SCHED_OTHER. I did so after seeing that with a non-rt kernel, bottom-half > handler don't run SCHED_FIFO/_RR at all. So -rt now gives me robust low > latencies for jackd, and still proper desktop feeling. > > Well, maybe this is getting off-topic for this list. But it seems to me > trimming priorities between kernel and userland threads is a bit like no > man's land. I agree. Maybe Lee Revell knows more [CC'ing him]. Lee, you know something about all these softirq threads? What exactly do they do? Regards, Flo -- Palimm Palimm! http://tapas.affenbande.org From rlrevell at joe-job.com Mon May 8 19:08:24 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Mon May 8 19:08:32 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] -rt IRQ handler priorities (was: Re: molnar patch) In-Reply-To: <20060509004750.3f9556ca@mango.fruits> References: <1146883567.5417.8.camel@localhost> <20060508201453.02c19dbe@mango.fruits> <200605082154.53499.woho@woho.de> <20060509004750.3f9556ca@mango.fruits> Message-ID: <1147129704.9116.21.camel@mindpipe> On Tue, 2006-05-09 at 00:47 +0200, Florian Paul Schmidt wrote: > On Mon, 8 May 2006 21:54:53 +0200 > Wolfgang Hoffmann wrote: > > > > I browsed over that page and didn't find any info on setting up the irq > > > handler priorities which is _the_ essential feature of -rt. > > > > Apropos: on your page on -rt setup (excellent page, btw., many thanks! :-), > > you suggest raising "softirq-timer/0" to prio 99, to make sleep() function > > right (http://tapas.affenbande.org/?page_id=40 sleep() based/system timer). > > > > I did so, and got strange latencies (> 40 ms) exactly once every 10 minutes, > > caused by some routing-related action (rt_secret_rebuild) being run by the > > softirq-timer/0 thread. Don't you get bit by that, too? Kernel is 2.6.16-rt16 > > I haven't been bitten by that. Do you also get xruns with [i suppose so, > just asking to make sure]? I haven't had as much time as before to play > around and test things, so maybe it has crept into the kernel recently > or maybe i just always had high-res timers enabled. > > > My solution is to configure with CONFIG_HIGH_RES_TIMERS=y. Then, sleep() wakes > > up correctly even with softirq-timer/0 being low-priority (SCHED_FIFO 1 or > > even SCHED_OTHER). > > > > In general I find adjusting priorities of the various softirq kernel threads a > > bit of secret art. I can't find much documentation about "what kernel thread > > runs which job" that would help making some proper decisions here. I found my > > desktop "feels" most responsive when demoting all softirq thread to > > SCHED_OTHER. I did so after seeing that with a non-rt kernel, bottom-half > > handler don't run SCHED_FIFO/_RR at all. So -rt now gives me robust low > > latencies for jackd, and still proper desktop feeling. > > > > Well, maybe this is getting off-topic for this list. But it seems to me > > trimming priorities between kernel and userland threads is a bit like no > > man's land. > > I agree. Maybe Lee Revell knows more [CC'ing him]. Lee, you know > something about all these softirq threads? What exactly do they do? Not really. The problem with making the softirq timer thread high priority is that lots of random code gets run from softirq timer context, including rt_secret_rebuild() which is a well known latency killer. Lately I've been focused on getting mainline usable for audio - I have not run -rt in a while. It is a bit of a black art because you need lots of knowledge of the kernel to know how to set the priorities. But that's the nature of hard realtime - you really need to know a lot about the system to get the priorities right. I've never had to alter the priority of the softirq timer thread myself - does it work OK if you leave the softirq thread alone? If not try setting the softirq thread to a lower RT priority than your soundcard, JACK, and all other interrupt threads. I've added Ingo to the cc: list, maybe he has some input. Lee From hardbop200 at gmail.com Tue May 9 00:30:16 2006 From: hardbop200 at gmail.com (Josh Lawrence) Date: Tue May 9 00:30:24 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] -rt IRQ handler priorities (was: Re: molnar patch) In-Reply-To: <1147129704.9116.21.camel@mindpipe> References: <1146883567.5417.8.camel@localhost> <20060508201453.02c19dbe@mango.fruits> <200605082154.53499.woho@woho.de> <20060509004750.3f9556ca@mango.fruits> <1147129704.9116.21.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: On 5/8/06, Lee Revell wrote: > Lately I've been focused on getting mainline usable for audio - I have > not run -rt in a while. Lee, Can you speak a little more to this, i.e., what have you done specifically to make the mainline "usable for audio?" I'd be really interested in learning a way to get out of having to patch often. -- Josh Lawrence http://www.hardbop200.com From woho at woho.de Tue May 9 01:21:06 2006 From: woho at woho.de (Wolfgang Hoffmann) Date: Tue May 9 01:24:32 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] -rt IRQ handler priorities (was: Re: molnar patch) In-Reply-To: <1147129704.9116.21.camel@mindpipe> References: <1146883567.5417.8.camel@localhost> <20060509004750.3f9556ca@mango.fruits> <1147129704.9116.21.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <200605090721.06442.woho@woho.de> On Tuesday 09 May 2006 01:08, Lee Revell wrote: > On Tue, 2006-05-09 at 00:47 +0200, Florian Paul Schmidt wrote: > > On Mon, 8 May 2006 21:54:53 +0200 > > > > Wolfgang Hoffmann wrote: > > > Apropos: on your page on -rt setup (excellent page, btw., many thanks! > > > :-), you suggest raising "softirq-timer/0" to prio 99, to make sleep() > > > function right (http://tapas.affenbande.org/?page_id=40 sleep() > > > based/system timer). > > > > > > I did so, and got strange latencies (> 40 ms) exactly once every 10 > > > minutes, caused by some routing-related action (rt_secret_rebuild) > > > being run by the softirq-timer/0 thread. Don't you get bit by that, > > > too? Kernel is 2.6.16-rt16 > > > > I haven't been bitten by that. Do you also get xruns with [i suppose so, > > just asking to make sure]? I haven't had as much time as before to play > > around and test things, so maybe it has crept into the kernel recently > > or maybe i just always had high-res timers enabled. To be more precise, I get xruns, not scheduling latencies. Scheduling latency is low (~50us), but softirq-timer/0 preempts all other threads when boosted to prio 99, leading to xruns in jackd. It's not a scheduler or -rt latency problem, it's a priority problem, since softirq-timer/0 runs different jobs that would require different priorities: wakeup sleep() at highest prio, rt_secret_rebuild et. al. at low prio. With CONFIG_HIGH_RES_TIMERS=y it seems thatt softirq-timer/0 is no longer needed for waking up sleep()ing threads, so it can be left at it's default low prio (or even demoted to SCHED_OTHER?). > > > My solution is to configure with CONFIG_HIGH_RES_TIMERS=y. Then, > > > sleep() wakes up correctly even with softirq-timer/0 being low-priority > > > (SCHED_FIFO 1 or even SCHED_OTHER). > > > > > > In general I find adjusting priorities of the various softirq kernel > > > threads a bit of secret art. I can't find much documentation about > > > "what kernel thread runs which job" that would help making some proper > > > decisions here. I found my desktop "feels" most responsive when > > > demoting all softirq thread to SCHED_OTHER. I did so after seeing that > > > with a non-rt kernel, bottom-half handler don't run SCHED_FIFO/_RR at > > > all. So -rt now gives me robust low latencies for jackd, and still > > > proper desktop feeling. > > > > > > Well, maybe this is getting off-topic for this list. But it seems to me > > > trimming priorities between kernel and userland threads is a bit like > > > no man's land. > > > > I agree. Maybe Lee Revell knows more [CC'ing him]. Lee, you know > > something about all these softirq threads? What exactly do they do? > > Not really. The problem with making the softirq timer thread high > priority is that lots of random code gets run from softirq timer > context, including rt_secret_rebuild() which is a well known latency > killer. Ah, ok. Now well known to me, too ;-) > Lately I've been focused on getting mainline usable for audio - I have > not run -rt in a while. > > It is a bit of a black art because you need lots of knowledge of the > kernel to know how to set the priorities. But that's the nature of hard > realtime - you really need to know a lot about the system to get the > priorities right. > > I've never had to alter the priority of the softirq timer thread myself > - does it work OK if you leave the softirq thread alone? With CONFIG_HIGH_RES_TIMERS=y, yes. With CONFIG_HIGH_RES_TIMERS=n, no. Then, high-prio theads don't wake up from sleep() if a mid-prio CPU hog is running. Typical scenario is a high-prio watchdog like Florians rt_watchdog (http://tapas.affenbande.org/?page_id=38), which fails to work unless softirq-timer/0 runs with higher prio than the CPU hog. It seems that softirq-timer/0 has to be scheduled for any thread to wake up. It's a bit like priority inversion. > If not try setting the softirq thread to a lower RT priority than your > soundcard, JACK, and all other interrupt threads. Yes, that should cure the xruns. But I wonder if jackd's watchdog can do it's job when a jack client is running wild? Probably not. softirq-timer/0 would not get to run then, so the watchdog wouldn't wake up. > I've added Ingo to the cc: list, maybe he has some input. That would be helpful. Also adding Steve to cc: as he mentioned writing a section in an O'Reilly book about how to use the -rt patch in http://www.ussg.iu.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/0604.2/0340.html Wolfgang From clemens at ladisch.de Tue May 9 03:20:22 2006 From: clemens at ladisch.de (Clemens Ladisch) Date: Tue May 9 03:21:58 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] My MIDI latency is crap In-Reply-To: <200605082215.56529.rj@spamatica.se> References: <20060508080815.GF11272@turing.informatik.uni-halle.de> <200605082215.56529.rj@spamatica.se> Message-ID: <20060509072022.GA7748@turing.informatik.uni-halle.de> Robert Jonsson wrote: > On Monday 08 May 2006 09:08, Clemens Ladisch wrote: > > Josh Lawrence wrote: > > > I have the local turned off on my keyboard, so that when I play a note > > > on the keyboard, the MIDI signal passes through MusE, and back to my > > > keyboard's sound generator. > > > > I tried to look at MuSE's source to see how it implements MIDI Through, > > but apparently MuSE doesn't do anything MIDI related. > > The unfortunate truth is that there are two muse projects. MuSE which you > probably looked at, a streaming server I think.. and MusE, a sequencer, which > is likely the one being talked about here. > http://muse-sequencer.org. Oops ... > How much latency is 'crap'? To my knowledge MusE reschedules incoming midi > events using the best timing source at hand (if available rtc is used, if > not, alsa), latency should be negligible. It shouldn't be necessary to reschedule the events, they could be sent back out immediately; no timer is needed for that. Additionally, it seems MusE doesn't use ALSA's timestamps for received events but manually looks at the timer when it comes around to reading the events. This will somewhat degrade the accuracy of received events. Regards, Clemens From BJaY at safe-mail.net Tue May 9 05:27:09 2006 From: BJaY at safe-mail.net (BJaY) Date: Tue May 9 05:27:06 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] ntfs & smb in ccrma kernel Message-ID: Hi, I installed kernel-2.6.16-1.2080.13.rdt.rhfc4.ccrma.i686.rpm and support for ntfs and smbfs seems to have dissappeared. Can I put this back in without rebuilding the kernel ? Also I tried out the rrt version of above, worked OK for audio but hard locked when I tried to use tvtime and my webcam (Creative). Does this mean I should'nt use it for audio because at some time it will lock up or, could it just be somthing to do with the camera driver and tvtime. Cheers, Bruce. From ws at seh.de Tue May 9 06:28:15 2006 From: ws at seh.de (Werner Schweer) Date: Tue May 9 05:29:32 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] My MIDI latency is crap In-Reply-To: <1147120215.2980.39.camel@mindpipe> References: <200605082215.56529.rj@spamatica.se> <1147120215.2980.39.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <200605091228.15927.ws@seh.de> On Monday 08 May 2006 22:30, Lee Revell wrote: > On Mon, 2006-05-08 at 22:15 +0100, Robert Jonsson wrote: > > Hi Clemens, > > > > On Monday 08 May 2006 09:08, Clemens Ladisch wrote: > > > Josh Lawrence wrote: > > > > I have the local turned off on my keyboard, so that when I play a > > > > note on the keyboard, the MIDI signal passes through MusE, and back > > > > to my keyboard's sound generator. > > > > > > I tried to look at MuSE's source to see how it implements MIDI Through, > > > but apparently MuSE doesn't do anything MIDI related. > > > > The unfortunate truth is that there are two muse projects. MuSE which you > > probably looked at, a streaming server I think.. and MusE, a sequencer, > > which is likely the one being talked about here. > > http://muse-sequencer.org. > > > > Think I missed most of this thread.. the issue is midi roundtrip latency > > I gather. > > How much latency is 'crap'? To my knowledge MusE reschedules incoming > > midi events using the best timing source at hand (if available rtc is > > used, if not, alsa), latency should be negligible. > > What is /proc/sys/dev/rtc/max-user-freq set to? its the highest freq a normal user (without root priviledges) can request. I would recommend 1024 (Hz). This is the default tick rate MusE uses to time midi events. Some tests i did a long time ago show that higher rates did not give better precision. /Werner From alewis at systemsfusion.com Tue May 9 05:43:45 2006 From: alewis at systemsfusion.com (Andrew Lewis) Date: Tue May 9 05:44:34 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] ntfs & smb in ccrma kernel In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <44606451.9010607@systemsfusion.com> BJaY wrote: > I installed kernel-2.6.16-1.2080.13.rdt.rhfc4.ccrma.i686.rpm and support > for ntfs and smbfs seems to have dissappeared. Can I put this back in > without rebuilding the kernel ? Try load it them as modules: modprobe ntfs modprobe smbfs -- Andrew Lewis From ws at seh.de Tue May 9 06:43:29 2006 From: ws at seh.de (Werner Schweer) Date: Tue May 9 05:45:11 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] My MIDI latency is crap In-Reply-To: <20060509072022.GA7748@turing.informatik.uni-halle.de> References: <200605082215.56529.rj@spamatica.se> <20060509072022.GA7748@turing.informatik.uni-halle.de> Message-ID: <200605091243.30002.ws@seh.de> On Tuesday 09 May 2006 09:20, Clemens Ladisch wrote: > Robert Jonsson wrote: > > On Monday 08 May 2006 09:08, Clemens Ladisch wrote: > > > Josh Lawrence wrote: > > > > I have the local turned off on my keyboard, so that when I play a > > > > note on the keyboard, the MIDI signal passes through MusE, and back > > > > to my keyboard's sound generator. > > > > > > I tried to look at MuSE's source to see how it implements MIDI Through, > > > but apparently MuSE doesn't do anything MIDI related. > > > > The unfortunate truth is that there are two muse projects. MuSE which you > > probably looked at, a streaming server I think.. and MusE, a sequencer, > > which is likely the one being talked about here. > > http://muse-sequencer.org. > > Oops ... > > > How much latency is 'crap'? To my knowledge MusE reschedules incoming > > midi events using the best timing source at hand (if available rtc is > > used, if not, alsa), latency should be negligible. > > It shouldn't be necessary to reschedule the events, they could be sent > back out immediately; no timer is needed for that. Its not that easy. If you play a software synthesizer, the received midi events can only be processed on the next JACK cycle. To reduce jitter, all events in MusE are delayed by two JACK cycles. So the minimum midi latency is two JACK cycles. Immediate processing of midi events whould mean to align them to JACK cycle boundaries which is something you do not want. A musician can easily deal with even huge latencies but not with jitter. > > Additionally, it seems MusE doesn't use ALSA's timestamps for received > events but manually looks at the timer when it comes around to reading > the events. This will somewhat degrade the accuracy of received events. yes, thats true, but as the receiving thread runs with RT priorities its negligible in practice. /Werner From loki.davison at gmail.com Tue May 9 06:13:45 2006 From: loki.davison at gmail.com (Loki Davison) Date: Tue May 9 06:13:54 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: -rt IRQ handler priorities (was: Re: molnar patch) In-Reply-To: <200605090721.06442.woho@woho.de> References: <1146883567.5417.8.camel@localhost> <20060509004750.3f9556ca@mango.fruits> <1147129704.9116.21.camel@mindpipe> <200605090721.06442.woho@woho.de> Message-ID: On 5/9/06, Wolfgang Hoffmann wrote: > On Tuesday 09 May 2006 01:08, Lee Revell wrote: > > On Tue, 2006-05-09 at 00:47 +0200, Florian Paul Schmidt wrote: > > > On Mon, 8 May 2006 21:54:53 +0200 > > > > > > Wolfgang Hoffmann wrote: > > > > Apropos: on your page on -rt setup (excellent page, btw., many thanks! > > > > :-), you suggest raising "softirq-timer/0" to prio 99, to make sleep() > > > > function right (http://tapas.affenbande.org/?page_id=40 sleep() > > > > based/system timer). > > > > > > > > I did so, and got strange latencies (> 40 ms) exactly once every 10 > > > > minutes, caused by some routing-related action (rt_secret_rebuild) > > > > being run by the softirq-timer/0 thread. Don't you get bit by that, > > > > too? Kernel is 2.6.16-rt16 > > > > > > I haven't been bitten by that. Do you also get xruns with [i suppose so, > > > just asking to make sure]? I haven't had as much time as before to play > > > around and test things, so maybe it has crept into the kernel recently > > > or maybe i just always had high-res timers enabled. > > To be more precise, I get xruns, not scheduling latencies. Scheduling > latency > is low (~50us), but softirq-timer/0 preempts all other threads when boosted > to prio 99, leading to xruns in jackd. > > It's not a scheduler or -rt latency problem, it's a priority problem, since > softirq-timer/0 runs different jobs that would require different priorities: > wakeup sleep() at highest prio, rt_secret_rebuild et. al. at low prio. > > With CONFIG_HIGH_RES_TIMERS=y it seems thatt softirq-timer/0 is no longer > needed for waking up sleep()ing threads, so it can be left at it's default > low prio (or even demoted to SCHED_OTHER?). > > > > > My solution is to configure with CONFIG_HIGH_RES_TIMERS=y. Then, > > > > sleep() wakes up correctly even with softirq-timer/0 being > low-priority > > > > (SCHED_FIFO 1 or even SCHED_OTHER). > > > > > > > > In general I find adjusting priorities of the various softirq kernel > > > > threads a bit of secret art. I can't find much documentation about > > > > "what kernel thread runs which job" that would help making some proper > > > > decisions here. I found my desktop "feels" most responsive when > > > > demoting all softirq thread to SCHED_OTHER. I did so after seeing that > > > > with a non-rt kernel, bottom-half handler don't run SCHED_FIFO/_RR at > > > > all. So -rt now gives me robust low latencies for jackd, and still > > > > proper desktop feeling. > > > > > > > > Well, maybe this is getting off-topic for this list. But it seems to > me > > > > trimming priorities between kernel and userland threads is a bit like > > > > no man's land. > > > > > > I agree. Maybe Lee Revell knows more [CC'ing him]. Lee, you know > > > something about all these softirq threads? What exactly do they do? > > > > Not really. The problem with making the softirq timer thread high > > priority is that lots of random code gets run from softirq timer > > context, including rt_secret_rebuild() which is a well known latency > > killer. > > Ah, ok. Now well known to me, too ;-) > > > Lately I've been focused on getting mainline usable for audio - I have > > not run -rt in a while. > > > > It is a bit of a black art because you need lots of knowledge of the > > kernel to know how to set the priorities. But that's the nature of hard > > realtime - you really need to know a lot about the system to get the > > priorities right. > > > > I've never had to alter the priority of the softirq timer thread myself > > - does it work OK if you leave the softirq thread alone? > > With CONFIG_HIGH_RES_TIMERS=y, yes. > > With CONFIG_HIGH_RES_TIMERS=n, no. Then, high-prio theads don't wake up from > sleep() if a mid-prio CPU hog is running. Typical scenario is a high-prio > watchdog like Florians rt_watchdog > (http://tapas.affenbande.org/?page_id=38), > which fails to work unless softirq-timer/0 runs with higher prio than the > CPU > hog. It seems that softirq-timer/0 has to be scheduled for any thread to > wake > up. It's a bit like priority inversion. > > > If not try setting the softirq thread to a lower RT priority than your > > soundcard, JACK, and all other interrupt threads. > > Yes, that should cure the xruns. But I wonder if jackd's watchdog can do > it's > job when a jack client is running wild? Probably not. softirq-timer/0 would > not get to run then, so the watchdog wouldn't wake up. > > > I've added Ingo to the cc: list, maybe he has some input. > > That would be helpful. Also adding Steve to cc: as he mentioned writing a > section in an O'Reilly book about how to use the -rt patch in > http://www.ussg.iu.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/0604.2/0340.html > > Wolfgang > Has anyone got a working x86_64 RT system? I can't boot rt kernels here, hangs after loading the schedulers. Loki From mista.tapas at gmx.net Tue May 9 06:23:07 2006 From: mista.tapas at gmx.net (Florian Paul Schmidt) Date: Tue May 9 06:23:18 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] My MIDI latency is crap In-Reply-To: <200605091243.30002.ws@seh.de> References: <200605082215.56529.rj@spamatica.se> <20060509072022.GA7748@turing.informatik.uni-halle.de> <200605091243.30002.ws@seh.de> Message-ID: <20060509122307.5e25bf56@mango.fruits> On Tue, 9 May 2006 12:43:29 +0200 Werner Schweer wrote: > Its not that easy. If you play a software synthesizer, the received midi > events can only be processed on the next JACK cycle. To reduce jitter, all > events in MusE are delayed by two JACK cycles. So the minimum midi latency > is two JACK cycles. Immediate processing of midi events whould mean to align > them to JACK cycle boundaries which is something you do not want. > A musician can easily deal with even huge latencies but not with jitter. Reducing jitter and providing a constant latency is the softsynth's job, Not MusE's [well, MusE should of course introduce as little extra delay as possible to minimize latency and jitter]. MusE should simply send out the MIDI event as soon as it has received it [we do still talk about MIDI _through_ right now, no?]. If MusE actually added another two JACK cycles, the resulting latency would be four JACK cycles as the softsynth would add another two JACK cycles itself. The only case where MusE would have to care about this would be when itself were a softsynth. Or maybe when playing recorded tracks of which one goes to a hw synth outside the computer and the other goes to a softsynth. In this case it would make sense to delay the MIDI stream that goes to the hw synth outside the computer by two JACK periods because that's the delay the softsynth will have, too, resulting in both being again played in sync. Maybe we have a complete misunderstanding here, though. > > Additionally, it seems MusE doesn't use ALSA's timestamps for received > > events but manually looks at the timer when it comes around to reading > > the events. This will somewhat degrade the accuracy of received events. > > yes, thats true, but as the receiving thread runs with RT priorities its > negligible in practice. Flo -- Palimm Palimm! http://tapas.affenbande.org From ws at seh.de Tue May 9 08:00:07 2006 From: ws at seh.de (Werner Schweer) Date: Tue May 9 07:01:24 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] My MIDI latency is crap In-Reply-To: <20060509122307.5e25bf56@mango.fruits> References: <200605091243.30002.ws@seh.de> <20060509122307.5e25bf56@mango.fruits> Message-ID: <200605091400.07892.ws@seh.de> On Tuesday 09 May 2006 12:23, Florian Paul Schmidt wrote: > On Tue, 9 May 2006 12:43:29 +0200 > > Werner Schweer wrote: > > Its not that easy. If you play a software synthesizer, the received midi > > events can only be processed on the next JACK cycle. To reduce jitter, > > all events in MusE are delayed by two JACK cycles. So the minimum midi > > latency is two JACK cycles. Immediate processing of midi events whould > > mean to align them to JACK cycle boundaries which is something you do not > > want. A musician can easily deal with even huge latencies but not with > > jitter. > > Reducing jitter and providing a constant latency is the softsynth's job, > Not MusE's [well, MusE should of course introduce as little extra delay > as possible to minimize latency and jitter]. MusE should simply send out > the MIDI event as soon as it has received it [we do still talk about > MIDI _through_ right now, no?]. > > If MusE actually added another two JACK cycles, the resulting latency > would be four JACK cycles as the softsynth would add another two JACK > cycles itself. > > The only case where MusE would have to care about this would be when > itself were a softsynth. Or maybe when playing recorded tracks of which > one goes to a hw synth outside the computer and the other goes to a > softsynth. In this case it would make sense to delay the MIDI stream > that goes to the hw synth outside the computer by two JACK periods > because that's the delay the softsynth will have, too, resulting in both > being again played in sync. > > Maybe we have a complete misunderstanding here, though. I was talking about live playing an MusE internal SW synthesizer. For an external SW synti you use a direct connection to ALSA. A proper designed SW synti should then do the same thing as MusE does resulting in the same latency. The fact is that every SW synth has at least a two cycle latency. A problem with an (MusE-) external SW synti is that it has to use an extra RT thread to collect midi events in realtime. This RT thread muse have a higher priority than JACK. If not, all your midi events will be aligned to JACK period time. I suspect this is the main reason for horrible midi timings some people experienced. My expectation is that the upcoming JACK midi implementation will cure all this problems by eleminating that extra RT thread needed for midi. Of course only the sequencer can provide a constant latency across several instruments. An external synthesizer has to provide a as low as possible latency. The sequencer should do a "latency compensation". > > > > Additionally, it seems MusE doesn't use ALSA's timestamps for received > > > events but manually looks at the timer when it comes around to reading > > > the events. This will somewhat degrade the accuracy of received events. > > > > yes, thats true, but as the receiving thread runs with RT priorities its > > negligible in practice. > > Flo /Werner From jmn20 at bath.ac.uk Tue May 9 07:12:06 2006 From: jmn20 at bath.ac.uk (Jonty Needham) Date: Tue May 9 07:12:12 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] YASQ: Soundfonts and Audigy Message-ID: <1147173125.13281.48.camel@jmn.cs.bath.ac.uk> Hi, Yet Another Stupid Question: I have a Creative Labs Soundblaster Audigy, with no soundfonts loaded onto it. I have placed the CL CD in and found no soundfonts with it. I do have the PC51f.sf2 soundfont, which I assume you load onto the soundcard with asfxload, but the last time I tried this I couldn't make my any noise. Could anyone point out what I should do/have done wrong/which friendly manual I should read? Jonty From julien.brule at noos.fr Tue May 9 07:41:24 2006 From: julien.brule at noos.fr (julien =?iso-8859-15?q?Brul=E9?=) Date: Tue May 9 07:43:11 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] YASQ: Soundfonts and Audigy In-Reply-To: <1147173125.13281.48.camel@jmn.cs.bath.ac.uk> References: <1147173125.13281.48.camel@jmn.cs.bath.ac.uk> Message-ID: <200605091341.24274.julien.brule@noos.fr> Le Mardi 9 Mai 2006 13:12, Jonty Needham a ?crit?: > Hi, > hello, > Yet Another Stupid Question: I have a Creative Labs Soundblaster Audigy, > with no soundfonts loaded onto it. I have placed the CL CD in and found > no soundfonts with it. i found it in a french CL CD....it is in a sub-sub-subdirectorie..... > I do have the PC51f.sf2 soundfont, which I assume > you load onto the soundcard with asfxload, but the last time I tried > this I couldn't make my any noise. after that you should use aconnect....with aconnect -lio (list input ouput) and aconnect client:port recept:port maybe you need to tweak the alsamixer... > > Could anyone point out what I should do/have done wrong/which friendly > manual I should read? > > Jonty From BJaY at safe-mail.net Tue May 9 08:30:42 2006 From: BJaY at safe-mail.net (BJaY) Date: Tue May 9 08:30:38 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] ntfs & smb in ccrma kernel In-Reply-To: <44606451.9010607@systemsfusion.com> Message-ID: BJaY wrote: > I installed kernel-2.6.16-1.2080.13.rdt.rhfc4.ccrma.i686.rpm and support > for ntfs and smbfs seems to have dissappeared. Can I put this back in > without rebuilding the kernel ? >Try load it them as modules: >modprobe ntfs >modprobe smbfs Says module not found, I tried apt-get install *ntfs* (also yum) but it complains about the wildcards - I've had this problem a few times, can anyone tell me what I'm doing wrong here ? -- Andrew Lewis From rlrevell at joe-job.com Tue May 9 10:12:56 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Tue May 9 10:13:08 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] -rt IRQ handler priorities (was: Re: molnar patch) In-Reply-To: References: <1146883567.5417.8.camel@localhost> <20060508201453.02c19dbe@mango.fruits> <200605082154.53499.woho@woho.de> <20060509004750.3f9556ca@mango.fruits> <1147129704.9116.21.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <1147183977.9116.94.camel@mindpipe> On Mon, 2006-05-08 at 23:30 -0500, Josh Lawrence wrote: > On 5/8/06, Lee Revell wrote: > > Lately I've been focused on getting mainline usable for audio - I have > > not run -rt in a while. > > Lee, > > Can you speak a little more to this, i.e., what have you done > specifically to make the mainline "usable for audio?" I'd be really > interested in learning a way to get out of having to patch often. > Page 21: http://lac.zkm.de/2006/papers/lac2006_proceedings.pdf Lee From rlrevell at joe-job.com Tue May 9 10:18:56 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Tue May 9 10:19:06 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] ntfs & smb in ccrma kernel In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1147184337.9116.97.camel@mindpipe> On Tue, 2006-05-09 at 13:30 +0100, BJaY wrote: > BJaY wrote: > > I installed kernel-2.6.16-1.2080.13.rdt.rhfc4.ccrma.i686.rpm and support > > for ntfs and smbfs seems to have dissappeared. Can I put this back in > > without rebuilding the kernel ? > > >Try load it them as modules: > >modprobe ntfs > >modprobe smbfs > > Says module not found, I tried apt-get install *ntfs* (also yum) but it > complains about the wildcards - I've had this problem a few times, can > anyone tell me what I'm doing wrong here ? You're doing nothing wrong, it sounds like that kernel is simply missing ntfs and smbfs support. This is really a better question for the CCRMA list than LAU. Lee From larsl at users.sourceforge.net Tue May 9 10:41:23 2006 From: larsl at users.sourceforge.net (Lars Luthman) Date: Tue May 9 10:41:49 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [ANN] Dino 0.2 In-Reply-To: <50914.B1dVX15TX38=.1147095780.squirrel@webmail.no-log.org> References: <1146926701.7945.6.camel@localhost> <10773.VwMBDwsGUSs=.1147065744.squirrel@webmail.no-log.org> <1147083537.8291.13.camel@localhost> <50914.B1dVX15TX38=.1147095780.squirrel@webmail.no-log.org> Message-ID: <1147185683.8881.0.camel@localhost> On Mon, 2006-05-08 at 15:43 +0200, eun.sung@no-log.org wrote: > > On Mon, 2006-05-08 at 07:22 +0200, eun.sung@no-log.org wrote: > >> hi > >> i'd really like to use dino, as it seems simple and efficient. > >> i tried to sequence zynaddsubfx but when i create a nex track in dino i > >> can't choose the zynadd channel output. i've not tried with another midi > >> client (what i should do). > > > > Dino only works with synths that have JACK MIDI ports. The standard > > version of ZynAddSubFX does not have that, you need to patch it with one > > of these patches: > > > > http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=1310895&group_id=62934&atid=502314 > > > > http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=1310897&group_id=62934&atid=502314 > > > ok thanks for info > > > The second one is better since that adds support for LASH as well. These > > patches add a JACK MIDI port that work simultaneously with the ALSA > > sequencer port, so you can use Dino and e.g. your ALSA-supported > > keyboard with ZynAddSubFX at the same time. > > > >> and could you please explain me how edit patterns? > > > > There is a brief description in the README. Basically it's like this: > > > > * Ctrl-left click adds notes > > * Ctrl-right click removes notes > > * Middle click and drag left/right changes the length of notes > > * Ctrl-middle click and drag up/down changes the velocity of notes > > * Left clicking and dragging outside notes selects all notes inside the > > dragged box > > * Shift-left click selects or unselects a single note > > * Clicking and dragging a note moves that note (or the entire > > selection) > > * Middle-clicking outside notes inserts a copy of the current selection > > at that point > > * "Cut", "Copy", "Paste", "Delete", "Select all" work as expected > > (except that when you "Paste" you have to click where you want the > > notes in the clipboard to appear) > > * Left clicking and/or dragging in the controller box adds controller > > events, right clicking and/or dragging removes them > > > >> by the way i really like the interface > > > > Thank you. > > > oh sorry, i haven't check the README file, but if i dare an advice, maybe > you should put this "manual" online? Yes, I'm going to write a proper manual at some point and put it on the webpage as well as in the source package. -- Lars Luthman PGP key: http://www.student.nada.kth.se/~d00-llu/pgp_key.php Fingerprint: FCA7 C790 19B9 322D EB7A E1B3 4371 4650 04C7 7E2E -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 191 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part Url : http://music.columbia.edu/pipermail/linux-audio-user/attachments/20060509/e048150f/attachment.bin From cave.dnb at tiscali.fr Tue May 9 11:02:30 2006 From: cave.dnb at tiscali.fr (nigel henry) Date: Tue May 9 11:03:17 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] YASQ: Soundfonts and Audigy In-Reply-To: <1147173125.13281.48.camel@jmn.cs.bath.ac.uk> References: <1147173125.13281.48.camel@jmn.cs.bath.ac.uk> Message-ID: <200605091702.30988.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> On Tuesday 09 May 2006 13:12, Jonty Needham wrote: > Hi, > > Yet Another Stupid Question: I have a Creative Labs Soundblaster Audigy, > with no soundfonts loaded onto it. I have placed the CL CD in and found > no soundfonts with it. I do have the PC51f.sf2 soundfont, which I assume > you load onto the soundcard with asfxload, but the last time I tried > this I couldn't make my any noise. > > Could anyone point out what I should do/have done wrong/which friendly > manual I should read? > > Jonty Hi Jonty. Which is the exact card name, and on which OS? The fact that you couldn't find soundfonts on the CD may indicate that the card does not use the emu10k1 driver. EMU (emu10k1 etc) are the only Creative cards with a wavetable synth that are supported. My CDROM has the sounfonts in. Audio/common/SFBANK/CT4MGM.SF2. Check the output of lsmod, /sbin/lsmod, to see if snd-emu10k1 is on the list. If you have snd-ca0106 on the list, then that is a No-Go for loading soundfonts, and would explain why you can't find them on the CDROM. If snd-emu10k1 is on the list, check also that snd-emu10k1-synth , is also on the list. asfxload is the Alsa version. and sfxload is the OSS version. On Slackware 10.0 which has both, asfload would not load the fonts, but sfxload did. Try sfxload if the other one doesn't work. To verify if soundfonts are loaded on the card, see the output of. cat /proc/asound/card0/wavetableD1 . Change the card No, for that of your card. If the card is not a supported one for soundfont loading, you can still use soundfonts, but will have to load them onto Qsynth, for instance. About all I can think of for now. Nigel. From capocasa at gmx.net Tue May 9 11:31:26 2006 From: capocasa at gmx.net (Carlo Capocasa) Date: Tue May 9 11:32:35 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Apogee Ensemble with Ardour In-Reply-To: <24859634.7781147099501785.JavaMail.root@mugen.rockingtiger.com> References: <24859634.7781147099501785.JavaMail.root@mugen.rockingtiger.com> Message-ID: Hi Lee! Considered that... Well, I would like to have that 192kHz option and the Fireface 800 would have to be reverse-engineered by the driver people as far as I know. Also, it does approach Apogee pricing so I'll probably just wait for 'The Real Thing'... But thanks for the hint! Carlo From benjamin.fabricius at lawo.de Tue May 9 13:26:20 2006 From: benjamin.fabricius at lawo.de (Benjamin Fabricius) Date: Tue May 9 13:19:43 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] fst source not available Message-ID: <1147195580.6710.20.camel@barney.linux.lawo.de> Hello all, Slowly but surely Im progressing on my vst server project ive got jack, alsa and my hdsp madi card up and running under my embedded linux. next step is wine... before starting on that i wanted to take a look at the current fst source. it seems to be the most popular solution for running vst/vsti plugins at the moment. unfortunately i am constantly running into dead links. do you have any idea where i can get the fst source? tried http://galan.sf.net/fst-1.7.tar.gz linked at http://joebutton.co.uk/fst/. .. no luck there. I can also not reach www.linuxaudiosystems.com where fst is also supposed to be available for download. Is there any central ressource currently up from where i can download fst? is there any ftp available where the releases of wine, jack and fst or dssi-vst that work best together have been located? Id be glad for any help, Cheers, --bf From seablaede at gmail.com Tue May 9 13:41:45 2006 From: seablaede at gmail.com (Thomas Vecchione) Date: Tue May 9 13:38:05 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Apogee Ensemble with Ardour In-Reply-To: References: <24859634.7781147099501785.JavaMail.root@mugen.rockingtiger.com> Message-ID: <4460D459.2080104@gmail.com> > Hi Lee! Considered that... Well, I would like to have that 192kHz option > and the Fireface 800 would have to be reverse-engineered by the driver > people as far as I know. Also, it does approach Apogee pricing so I'll > probably just wait for 'The Real Thing'... But thanks for the hint! > > Carlo Well there has been some debate as to the feasibility of 192 in Linux I believe, however the RME 96/32 works well and is hardware capable of 192. Seablade From seablaede at gmail.com Tue May 9 13:45:14 2006 From: seablaede at gmail.com (Thomas Vecchione) Date: Tue May 9 13:41:29 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: -rt IRQ handler priorities In-Reply-To: References: <1146883567.5417.8.camel@localhost> <20060509004750.3f9556ca@mango.fruits> <1147129704.9116.21.camel@mindpipe> <200605090721.06442.woho@woho.de> Message-ID: <4460D52A.8000802@gmail.com> > > Has anyone got a working x86_64 RT system? I can't boot rt kernels > here, hangs after loading the schedulers. Gentoo Kernel, patched with Ingo's patch, compiled for AMD Opteron(64 Bit) here if that is what you are looking for. Kernel is where my knowledge is lacking though. Seablade From rlrevell at joe-job.com Tue May 9 13:49:03 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Tue May 9 13:49:13 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: -rt IRQ handler priorities In-Reply-To: <4460D52A.8000802@gmail.com> References: <1146883567.5417.8.camel@localhost> <20060509004750.3f9556ca@mango.fruits> <1147129704.9116.21.camel@mindpipe> <200605090721.06442.woho@woho.de> <4460D52A.8000802@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1147196943.9116.144.camel@mindpipe> On Tue, 2006-05-09 at 13:45 -0400, Thomas Vecchione wrote: > > > > Has anyone got a working x86_64 RT system? I can't boot rt kernels > > here, hangs after loading the schedulers. > > Gentoo Kernel, patched with Ingo's patch, compiled for AMD Opteron(64 > Bit) here if that is what you are looking for. Kernel is where my > knowledge is lacking though. Need more info so we can compare working and non working configs. After talking to some AMD64 users at LAC it seems that it's possible to create a config that compiles but won't boot. Can you both post your kernel .config? Lee From lee at rockingtiger.com Tue May 9 14:03:49 2006 From: lee at rockingtiger.com (Lee A. Azzarello) Date: Tue May 9 14:04:05 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Apogee Ensemble with Ardour Message-ID: <27035453.101147197829282.JavaMail.root@mugen.rockingtiger.com> ----- Carlo Capocasa wrote: > Hi Lee! Considered that... Well, I would like to have that 192kHz > option > and the Fireface 800 would have to be reverse-engineered by the > driver > people as far as I know. Also, it does approach Apogee pricing so > I'll > probably just wait for 'The Real Thing'... But thanks for the hin I think that firewire audio is only recently supported with the freebob package. I would recommend the RME Hammerfall PCI card, which IIRC has ALSA drivers in the kernel: http://www.rme-audio.com/english/hdsp/cardpci.htm#PCI -lee From seablaede at gmail.com Tue May 9 14:11:01 2006 From: seablaede at gmail.com (Thomas Vecchione) Date: Tue May 9 14:07:20 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: -rt IRQ handler priorities In-Reply-To: <1147196943.9116.144.camel@mindpipe> References: <1146883567.5417.8.camel@localhost> <20060509004750.3f9556ca@mango.fruits> <1147129704.9116.21.camel@mindpipe> <200605090721.06442.woho@woho.de> <4460D52A.8000802@gmail.com> <1147196943.9116.144.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <4460DB35.1070509@gmail.com> Sure thought itll be a couple of days before I can do it. How you want me to post it? I figure most of the list probably dont want it posted to the list;) Just to confirm by -rt all you are referring to is a stock kernel with Ingo's patch right? The sources I got from the gentoo-sources package outta emerge. Just makin sure I am understanding correctly. Seablade From kjetil at ccrma.stanford.edu Tue May 9 15:56:47 2006 From: kjetil at ccrma.stanford.edu (Kjetil S. Matheussen) Date: Tue May 9 15:56:55 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] -rt IRQ handler priorities In-Reply-To: <20060509094441.46F741570DEA@music.columbia.edu> References: <20060509094441.46F741570DEA@music.columbia.edu> Message-ID: Lee Revell: > Subject: Re: [linux-audio-user] -rt IRQ handler priorities (was: Re: > molnar patch) > To: Florian Paul Schmidt > Cc: Ingo Molnar , linux-audio-user@music.columbia.edu > Message-ID: <1147129704.9116.21.camel@mindpipe> > Content-Type: text/plain > > On Tue, 2006-05-09 at 00:47 +0200, Florian Paul Schmidt wrote: >> On Mon, 8 May 2006 21:54:53 +0200 >> Wolfgang Hoffmann wrote: >> >>>> I browsed over that page and didn't find any info on setting up the irq >>>> handler priorities which is _the_ essential feature of -rt. >>> >>> Apropos: on your page on -rt setup (excellent page, btw., many thanks! :-), >>> you suggest raising "softirq-timer/0" to prio 99, to make sleep() function >>> right (http://tapas.affenbande.org/?page_id=40 sleep() based/system timer). >>> >>> I did so, and got strange latencies (> 40 ms) exactly once every 10 minutes, >>> caused by some routing-related action (rt_secret_rebuild) being run by the >>> softirq-timer/0 thread. Don't you get bit by that, too? Kernel is 2.6.16-rt16 >> >> I haven't been bitten by that. Do you also get xruns with [i suppose so, >> just asking to make sure]? I haven't had as much time as before to play >> around and test things, so maybe it has crept into the kernel recently >> or maybe i just always had high-res timers enabled. >> >>> My solution is to configure with CONFIG_HIGH_RES_TIMERS=y. Then, sleep() wakes >>> up correctly even with softirq-timer/0 being low-priority (SCHED_FIFO 1 or >>> even SCHED_OTHER). >>> >>> In general I find adjusting priorities of the various softirq kernel threads a >>> bit of secret art. I can't find much documentation about "what kernel thread >>> runs which job" that would help making some proper decisions here. I found my >>> desktop "feels" most responsive when demoting all softirq thread to >>> SCHED_OTHER. I did so after seeing that with a non-rt kernel, bottom-half >>> handler don't run SCHED_FIFO/_RR at all. So -rt now gives me robust low >>> latencies for jackd, and still proper desktop feeling. >>> >>> Well, maybe this is getting off-topic for this list. But it seems to me >>> trimming priorities between kernel and userland threads is a bit like no >>> man's land. >> >> I agree. Maybe Lee Revell knows more [CC'ing him]. Lee, you know >> something about all these softirq threads? What exactly do they do? > > Not really. The problem with making the softirq timer thread high > priority is that lots of random code gets run from softirq timer > context, including rt_secret_rebuild() which is a well known latency > killer. > Then theres a latency problem in the kernel. A sleeping high priorioty SCHED_FIFO thread must be woken up in time even if another lower priority SCHED_FIFO thread is buzy-looping. And currently, unless the softirq timer has priority 99, that condition can not be fullfilled. So, the softirq timer must run with priority 99. From rlrevell at joe-job.com Tue May 9 16:04:39 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Tue May 9 16:04:56 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] -rt IRQ handler priorities In-Reply-To: References: <20060509094441.46F741570DEA@music.columbia.edu> Message-ID: <1147205080.18750.15.camel@mindpipe> Steven, can you suggest a way forward? Briefly the problem is that arbitrary latency killing code can run from the softirq timer thread, but this thread needs to run at max RT priority for sleep(), select() & friends to work. I guess it hasn't been a problem yet because most RT threads want to be awakened by some external event like an interrupt, rather than a timer. Lee On Tue, 2006-05-09 at 12:56 -0700, Kjetil S. Matheussen wrote: > Lee Revell: > > Subject: Re: [linux-audio-user] -rt IRQ handler priorities (was: Re: > > molnar patch) > > To: Florian Paul Schmidt > > Cc: Ingo Molnar , linux-audio-user@music.columbia.edu > > Message-ID: <1147129704.9116.21.camel@mindpipe> > > Content-Type: text/plain > > > > On Tue, 2006-05-09 at 00:47 +0200, Florian Paul Schmidt wrote: > >> On Mon, 8 May 2006 21:54:53 +0200 > >> Wolfgang Hoffmann wrote: > >> > >>>> I browsed over that page and didn't find any info on setting up the irq > >>>> handler priorities which is _the_ essential feature of -rt. > >>> > >>> Apropos: on your page on -rt setup (excellent page, btw., many thanks! :-), > >>> you suggest raising "softirq-timer/0" to prio 99, to make sleep() function > >>> right (http://tapas.affenbande.org/?page_id=40 sleep() based/system timer). > >>> > >>> I did so, and got strange latencies (> 40 ms) exactly once every 10 minutes, > >>> caused by some routing-related action (rt_secret_rebuild) being run by the > >>> softirq-timer/0 thread. Don't you get bit by that, too? Kernel is 2.6.16-rt16 > >> > >> I haven't been bitten by that. Do you also get xruns with [i suppose so, > >> just asking to make sure]? I haven't had as much time as before to play > >> around and test things, so maybe it has crept into the kernel recently > >> or maybe i just always had high-res timers enabled. > >> > >>> My solution is to configure with CONFIG_HIGH_RES_TIMERS=y. Then, sleep() wakes > >>> up correctly even with softirq-timer/0 being low-priority (SCHED_FIFO 1 or > >>> even SCHED_OTHER). > >>> > >>> In general I find adjusting priorities of the various softirq kernel threads a > >>> bit of secret art. I can't find much documentation about "what kernel thread > >>> runs which job" that would help making some proper decisions here. I found my > >>> desktop "feels" most responsive when demoting all softirq thread to > >>> SCHED_OTHER. I did so after seeing that with a non-rt kernel, bottom-half > >>> handler don't run SCHED_FIFO/_RR at all. So -rt now gives me robust low > >>> latencies for jackd, and still proper desktop feeling. > >>> > >>> Well, maybe this is getting off-topic for this list. But it seems to me > >>> trimming priorities between kernel and userland threads is a bit like no > >>> man's land. > >> > >> I agree. Maybe Lee Revell knows more [CC'ing him]. Lee, you know > >> something about all these softirq threads? What exactly do they do? > > > > Not really. The problem with making the softirq timer thread high > > priority is that lots of random code gets run from softirq timer > > context, including rt_secret_rebuild() which is a well known latency > > killer. > > > > Then theres a latency problem in the kernel. A sleeping high priorioty > SCHED_FIFO thread must be woken up in time even if another lower > priority SCHED_FIFO thread is buzy-looping. And currently, unless the > softirq timer has priority 99, that condition can not be fullfilled. > > So, the softirq timer must run with priority 99. > > > From rlrevell at joe-job.com Tue May 9 16:07:00 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Tue May 9 16:07:29 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] -rt IRQ handler priorities In-Reply-To: References: <20060509094441.46F741570DEA@music.columbia.edu> Message-ID: <1147205220.18750.19.camel@mindpipe> On Tue, 2006-05-09 at 12:56 -0700, Kjetil S. Matheussen wrote: > > Then theres a latency problem in the kernel. A sleeping high priorioty > SCHED_FIFO thread must be woken up in time even if another lower > priority SCHED_FIFO thread is buzy-looping. And currently, unless the > softirq timer has priority 99, that condition can not be fullfilled. > > So, the softirq timer must run with priority 99. I think it's unusual to want a high priority SCHED_FIFO thread to be awakened by a timer. What are you trying to do? Lee From kjetil at ccrma.stanford.edu Tue May 9 16:27:59 2006 From: kjetil at ccrma.stanford.edu (Kjetil S. Matheussen) Date: Tue May 9 16:28:08 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] -rt IRQ handler priorities In-Reply-To: <1147205220.18750.19.camel@mindpipe> References: <20060509094441.46F741570DEA@music.columbia.edu> <1147205220.18750.19.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: On Tue, 9 May 2006, Lee Revell wrote: > On Tue, 2006-05-09 at 12:56 -0700, Kjetil S. Matheussen wrote: >> >> Then theres a latency problem in the kernel. A sleeping high priorioty >> SCHED_FIFO thread must be woken up in time even if another lower >> priority SCHED_FIFO thread is buzy-looping. And currently, unless the >> softirq timer has priority 99, that condition can not be fullfilled. >> >> So, the softirq timer must run with priority 99. > > I think it's unusual to want a high priority SCHED_FIFO thread to be > awakened by a timer. What are you trying to do? > Well, the reason for stumble upon this problem is when I ported/tested the general watchdog program "das_watchdog" from 2.4 to 2.6. For some reason, it just didn't work. But after reading the instructions for Florians rt_watchdog program, it became clear that the softirq thread must have priority 99. But lets say that you have program with two SCHED_FIFO threads. One of them is a high priority (between 2 and 98) timer that is only used to signal other threads. The other SCHED_FIFO thread has priority 1 and needs to run realtime for some reason, and it might not even be a good reason. However, if that other thread have to do some hard work, it stalls your high priority timer thread for a small time, and your sleep-based timer suddenly becomes shaky. I don't know any real-world examples of this, but I don't find it unlikely to already happen, because its not always obviously noticable. For example, that cpu-hogging thread can very well be a jack client like jamin, and that timer process might very well be muse or rosegarden. And for all we know, the scenario drawn up above, can be already be relevant for a large percentage of all linux audio users, its just not obviously noticable. From ndrw_grn at yahoo.com.mx Tue May 9 16:46:22 2006 From: ndrw_grn at yahoo.com.mx (Andrew Green) Date: Tue May 9 16:46:31 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Simple automated audio processing: newbie question Message-ID: <20060509204622.98876.qmail@web32006.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi, I have a whole bunch of MP3's for which I would like to do the following: 1) detect a few seconds of silence near the end of the recording; 2) cut off the end of the recording from the silence onward; and 3) save the recording without re-encoding, or save it in a manner that neither diminishes quality nor increases file size unreasonably. Any ideas on how to do this automatically? Many thanks in advance, Andrew Green ___________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? La mejor conexi?n a Internet y 2GB extra a tu correo por $100 al mes. http://net.yahoo.com.mx From sayhi2guy at tiscali.co.uk Tue May 9 17:51:01 2006 From: sayhi2guy at tiscali.co.uk (guy) Date: Tue May 9 17:51:11 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] fst source not available In-Reply-To: <1147195580.6710.20.camel@barney.linux.lawo.de> References: <1147195580.6710.20.camel@barney.linux.lawo.de> Message-ID: <44610EC5.9040406@tiscali.co.uk> Benjamin Fabricius wrote: > Hello all, > > do you have any idea where i can get the fst source? > > Cheers, > --bf > http://joebutton.co.uk/fst/ Regards Guy > > > ___________________________________________________________ 24 FIFA World Cup tickets to be won with Yahoo! Mail http://uk.mail.yahoo.com From rlrevell at joe-job.com Tue May 9 18:33:28 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Tue May 9 18:33:49 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] -rt IRQ handler priorities In-Reply-To: References: <20060509094441.46F741570DEA@music.columbia.edu> <1147205220.18750.19.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <1147214009.18750.37.camel@mindpipe> On Tue, 2006-05-09 at 13:27 -0700, Kjetil S. Matheussen wrote: > On Tue, 9 May 2006, Lee Revell wrote: > > > On Tue, 2006-05-09 at 12:56 -0700, Kjetil S. Matheussen wrote: > >> > >> Then theres a latency problem in the kernel. A sleeping high priorioty > >> SCHED_FIFO thread must be woken up in time even if another lower > >> priority SCHED_FIFO thread is buzy-looping. And currently, unless the > >> softirq timer has priority 99, that condition can not be fullfilled. > >> > >> So, the softirq timer must run with priority 99. > > > > I think it's unusual to want a high priority SCHED_FIFO thread to be > > awakened by a timer. What are you trying to do? > > > > Well, the reason for stumble upon this problem is when I ported/tested > the general watchdog program "das_watchdog" from 2.4 to 2.6. For some > reason, it just didn't work. But after reading the instructions for > Florians rt_watchdog program, it became clear that the softirq > thread must have priority 99. > > But lets say that you have program with two SCHED_FIFO threads. One > of them is a high priority (between 2 and 98) timer that is only > used to signal other threads. The other SCHED_FIFO thread has priority > 1 and needs to run realtime for some reason, and it might not even be > a good reason. However, if that other thread have to do > some hard work, it stalls your high priority timer thread for a small > time, and your sleep-based timer suddenly becomes shaky. > Hmm, it sounds like a solution could be to separate timers that just wake up a process from ones that do actual work and run them in separate kernel threads. Lee From kjetil at ccrma.stanford.edu Tue May 9 18:45:22 2006 From: kjetil at ccrma.stanford.edu (Kjetil S. Matheussen) Date: Tue May 9 18:45:34 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] -rt IRQ handler priorities In-Reply-To: <1147214009.18750.37.camel@mindpipe> References: <20060509094441.46F741570DEA@music.columbia.edu> <1147205220.18750.19.camel@mindpipe> <1147214009.18750.37.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: On Tue, 9 May 2006, Lee Revell wrote: > On Tue, 2006-05-09 at 13:27 -0700, Kjetil S. Matheussen wrote: >> On Tue, 9 May 2006, Lee Revell wrote: >> >>> On Tue, 2006-05-09 at 12:56 -0700, Kjetil S. Matheussen wrote: >>>> >>>> Then theres a latency problem in the kernel. A sleeping high priorioty >>>> SCHED_FIFO thread must be woken up in time even if another lower >>>> priority SCHED_FIFO thread is buzy-looping. And currently, unless the >>>> softirq timer has priority 99, that condition can not be fullfilled. >>>> >>>> So, the softirq timer must run with priority 99. >>> >>> I think it's unusual to want a high priority SCHED_FIFO thread to be >>> awakened by a timer. What are you trying to do? >>> >> >> Well, the reason for stumble upon this problem is when I ported/tested >> the general watchdog program "das_watchdog" from 2.4 to 2.6. For some >> reason, it just didn't work. But after reading the instructions for >> Florians rt_watchdog program, it became clear that the softirq >> thread must have priority 99. >> >> But lets say that you have program with two SCHED_FIFO threads. One >> of them is a high priority (between 2 and 98) timer that is only >> used to signal other threads. The other SCHED_FIFO thread has priority >> 1 and needs to run realtime for some reason, and it might not even be >> a good reason. However, if that other thread have to do >> some hard work, it stalls your high priority timer thread for a small >> time, and your sleep-based timer suddenly becomes shaky. >> > > Hmm, it sounds like a solution could be to separate timers that just > wake up a process from ones that do actual work and run them in separate > kernel threads. > I don't understand why you want that. To me (which knows about nothing about how the kernel works), the solution to the problem is crystal clear: The softirq timer needs to have the highest priority, and the only thing the sofirq timer threads does is to make sure threads that should be woken up are put into some kernel schedule queue somehow. I don't understand why the softirq timer threads should cause any latency problems, what does it do except scheduling waiting threads? From rlrevell at joe-job.com Tue May 9 18:57:27 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Tue May 9 18:57:42 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] -rt IRQ handler priorities In-Reply-To: References: <20060509094441.46F741570DEA@music.columbia.edu> <1147205220.18750.19.camel@mindpipe> <1147214009.18750.37.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <1147215448.18750.40.camel@mindpipe> On Tue, 2006-05-09 at 15:45 -0700, Kjetil S. Matheussen wrote: > > Hmm, it sounds like a solution could be to separate timers that just > > wake up a process from ones that do actual work and run them in separate > > kernel threads. > > > > I don't understand why you want that. To me (which > knows about nothing about how the kernel works), the solution to > the problem is crystal clear: The softirq timer needs to have the highest > priority, and the only thing the sofirq timer threads does is to > make sure threads that should be woken up are put into some kernel > schedule queue somehow. I don't understand why the softirq timer threads > should cause any latency problems, what does it do except scheduling > waiting threads? > Well as you have seen the softirq timer thread apparently does route cache flushing and a bunch of other things we don't want it to do. I was under the impression these were already done by separate threads. I think we are in agreement. I have to double check how it works in -rt - I've been running mainline lately which still has a single ksoftirqd process. Lee From loki.davison at gmail.com Tue May 9 19:05:29 2006 From: loki.davison at gmail.com (Loki Davison) Date: Tue May 9 19:05:37 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: -rt IRQ handler priorities In-Reply-To: <1147196943.9116.144.camel@mindpipe> References: <1146883567.5417.8.camel@localhost> <20060509004750.3f9556ca@mango.fruits> <1147129704.9116.21.camel@mindpipe> <200605090721.06442.woho@woho.de> <4460D52A.8000802@gmail.com> <1147196943.9116.144.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: On 5/10/06, Lee Revell wrote: > On Tue, 2006-05-09 at 13:45 -0400, Thomas Vecchione wrote: > > > > > > Has anyone got a working x86_64 RT system? I can't boot rt kernels > > > here, hangs after loading the schedulers. > > > > Gentoo Kernel, patched with Ingo's patch, compiled for AMD Opteron(64 > > Bit) here if that is what you are looking for. Kernel is where my > > knowledge is lacking though. > > Need more info so we can compare working and non working configs. After > talking to some AMD64 users at LAC it seems that it's possible to create > a config that compiles but won't boot. > > Can you both post your kernel .config? > > Lee > > I'll upload my .config that compiles fine but doesn't boot when i get back from work. I'd like to try someones that actually run okay too though ;) Loki From kjetil at ccrma.stanford.edu Tue May 9 19:15:30 2006 From: kjetil at ccrma.stanford.edu (Kjetil S. Matheussen) Date: Tue May 9 19:15:39 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] -rt IRQ handler priorities In-Reply-To: <1147215448.18750.40.camel@mindpipe> References: <20060509094441.46F741570DEA@music.columbia.edu> <1147205220.18750.19.camel@mindpipe> <1147214009.18750.37.camel@mindpipe> <1147215448.18750.40.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: On Tue, 9 May 2006, Lee Revell wrote: > On Tue, 2006-05-09 at 15:45 -0700, Kjetil S. Matheussen wrote: >>> Hmm, it sounds like a solution could be to separate timers that just >>> wake up a process from ones that do actual work and run them in separate >>> kernel threads. >>> >> >> I don't understand why you want that. To me (which >> knows about nothing about how the kernel works), the solution to >> the problem is crystal clear: The softirq timer needs to have the highest >> priority, and the only thing the sofirq timer threads does is to >> make sure threads that should be woken up are put into some kernel >> schedule queue somehow. I don't understand why the softirq timer threads >> should cause any latency problems, what does it do except scheduling >> waiting threads? >> > > Well as you have seen the softirq timer thread apparently does route > cache flushing and a bunch of other things we don't want it to do. I > was under the impression these were already done by separate threads. > > I think we are in agreement. Good. :-) > I have to double check how it works in -rt > - I've been running mainline lately which still has a single ksoftirqd > process. > I think the ksoftirqd processes have the same problem. At least for das_watchdog, it must be set to 99 for the watchdog to work. There is even code to check that it/they have priority 99. From ireneshusband at yahoo.co.uk Wed May 10 02:51:33 2006 From: ireneshusband at yahoo.co.uk (Robert Persson) Date: Wed May 10 02:51:41 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] gentoo proaudio portage overlay Message-ID: <200605092351.34383.ireneshusband@yahoo.co.uk> I don't know if the other gentoo users on this list are aware of this, but someone who goes by the name of nevermind has created a proaudio portage overlay. You can find out about it at http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-427211.html , or download a live svn snapshot directly from http://svnweb.tuxfamily.org/dl.php?repname=proaudio+%28ckpp%29&path=%2F&rev=0&isdir=1 . Overall it is very useful, containing both packages that are missing from the main portage tree and more recent versions of existing packages. There are several very nice apps I had not heard of before, such as aeolus, the pipe organ emulator. One thing I have found I have needed to do has been to manually download some of the tarballs to /usr/portage/distfiles, and then to delete some of the digests and manifests and rebuild them (using "ebuild packagename-1.2.3 manifest digest") in order to generate new checksums. In one case (I think it was the vst sdk) I had to roll my own tarball in place of the one one of the ebuilds was unable to download. There were one or two other ebuild tweaks I had to do as well. So not problem free, but very useful nonetheless. Robert -- Robert Persson Conspiracy Bears: Once upon a time there were lots of conspiracy bears... From benjamin.fabricius at lawo.de Wed May 10 03:55:11 2006 From: benjamin.fabricius at lawo.de (Benjamin Fabricius) Date: Wed May 10 03:48:33 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] fst source not available In-Reply-To: <44610EC5.9040406@tiscali.co.uk> References: <1147195580.6710.20.camel@barney.linux.lawo.de> <44610EC5.9040406@tiscali.co.uk> Message-ID: <1147247711.6588.1.camel@barney.linux.lawo.de> Am Dienstag, den 09.05.2006, 22:51 +0100 schrieb guy: > > Benjamin Fabricius wrote: > > Hello all, > > > > do you have any idea where i can get the fst source? > > > > Cheers, > > --bf > > > http://joebutton.co.uk/fst/ > Thanks Guy, Tried there all day yesterday and it didnt work! Anyway worked just now thx, -bf > Regards > > Guy > > > > > > > > > ___________________________________________________________ > 24 FIFA World Cup tickets to be won with Yahoo! Mail http://uk.mail.yahoo.com From jmn20 at bath.ac.uk Wed May 10 04:07:41 2006 From: jmn20 at bath.ac.uk (Jonty Needham) Date: Wed May 10 04:07:50 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] YASQ: Soundfonts and Audigy In-Reply-To: <200605091341.24274.julien.brule@noos.fr> References: <1147173125.13281.48.camel@jmn.cs.bath.ac.uk> <200605091341.24274.julien.brule@noos.fr> Message-ID: <1147248461.13281.67.camel@jmn.cs.bath.ac.uk> Many thanks Julien. I found I was windozed; the soundfonts on the CL cd were labelled *.SF2, not *.sf2, which was why I couldn't find them. I have since loaded PC51f onto my soundcard, but as my sound card only appears to have 8 megs of space on it, I have a somewhat cut down collection. Does anyone have any reccomendations on which soundfonts to use, or whether it's better to use a softsynth, or maybe I should just try these things out... Many Thanks Jonty On Tue, 2006-05-09 at 12:41, julien Brul? wrote: > Le Mardi 9 Mai 2006 13:12, Jonty Needham a ?crit : > > Hi, > > > hello, > > > Yet Another Stupid Question: I have a Creative Labs Soundblaster Audigy, > > with no soundfonts loaded onto it. I have placed the CL CD in and found > > no soundfonts with it. > > i found it in a french CL CD....it is in a sub-sub-subdirectorie..... > > > I do have the PC51f.sf2 soundfont, which I assume > > you load onto the soundcard with asfxload, but the last time I tried > > this I couldn't make my any noise. > > after that you should use aconnect....with aconnect -lio (list input ouput) > and aconnect client:port recept:port > > maybe you need to tweak the alsamixer... > > > > > Could anyone point out what I should do/have done wrong/which friendly > > manual I should read? > > > > Jonty From julien.brule at noos.fr Wed May 10 04:15:05 2006 From: julien.brule at noos.fr (julien =?utf-8?q?Brul=C3=A9?=) Date: Wed May 10 04:19:41 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] YASQ: Soundfonts and Audigy In-Reply-To: <1147248461.13281.67.camel@jmn.cs.bath.ac.uk> References: <1147173125.13281.48.camel@jmn.cs.bath.ac.uk> <200605091341.24274.julien.brule@noos.fr> <1147248461.13281.67.camel@jmn.cs.bath.ac.uk> Message-ID: <200605101015.05711.julien.brule@noos.fr> Le Mercredi 10 Mai 2006 10:07, Jonty Needham a ?crit?: > Many thanks Julien. I found I was windozed; the soundfonts on the CL cd > were labelled *.SF2, not *.sf2, which was why I couldn't find them. I > have since loaded PC51f onto my soundcard, but as my sound card only > appears to have 8 megs of space on it, I have a somewhat cut down > collection. > no problem, it was a pleasure... > Does anyone have any reccomendations on which soundfonts to use, or > whether it's better to use a softsynth, or maybe I should just try these > things out... you can found have good sound fount with emu CD, or with akai some of tihs can be load with asfxload. otherwelse you can use qsynth, fluidsynth, or follow linux sampler to have good soft synth sound you can make your own sound with zynaddsubfx, pd, jmax cheers julien > > Many Thanks > Jonty > > On Tue, 2006-05-09 at 12:41, julien Brul? wrote: > > Le Mardi 9 Mai 2006 13:12, Jonty Needham a ?crit : > > > Hi, > > > > hello, > > > > > Yet Another Stupid Question: I have a Creative Labs Soundblaster > > > Audigy, with no soundfonts loaded onto it. I have placed the CL CD in > > > and found no soundfonts with it. > > > > i found it in a french CL CD....it is in a sub-sub-subdirectorie..... > > > > > I do have the PC51f.sf2 soundfont, which I assume > > > you load onto the soundcard with asfxload, but the last time I tried > > > this I couldn't make my any noise. > > > > after that you should use aconnect....with aconnect -lio (list input > > ouput) and aconnect client:port recept:port > > > > maybe you need to tweak the alsamixer... > > > > > Could anyone point out what I should do/have done wrong/which friendly > > > manual I should read? > > > > > > Jonty From rlrevell at joe-job.com Wed May 10 06:49:36 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Wed May 10 06:49:53 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] -rt IRQ handler priorities In-Reply-To: <1147242344.27820.239.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <20060509094441.46F741570DEA@music.columbia.edu> <1147205080.18750.15.camel@mindpipe> <1147242344.27820.239.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1147258178.18750.72.camel@mindpipe> On Wed, 2006-05-10 at 08:25 +0200, Thomas Gleixner wrote: > On Wed, 2006-05-10 at 02:15 -0400, Steven Rostedt wrote: > > I've CC'd Thomas Gleixner. I beleive that the hrtimers code now uses > > priorities. That is, when a timer is to go off, the hrtimer softirq > > inherits the priority of the task that created the timer. Thomas, correct > > me if I'm wrong. But I also believe this code is a work in progress, and > > the more feedback of what people want/need the better we can make the code > > do just that. > > > > Is the high res timers turned on? > > http://www.linutronix.de/index.php?module=News&id=cntnt01&cntnt01action=detail&cntnt01articleid=8&cntnt01dateformat=%b%20%d,%20%Y&cntnt01returnid=31 > > This is only true, when high resolution timers are enabled. Is there any solution for the !CONFIG_HIGH_RES_TIMERS case? I for one can't use it because my hardware doesn't support it (no local APIC). Lee From rlrevell at joe-job.com Wed May 10 07:00:16 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Wed May 10 07:00:36 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] YASQ: Soundfonts and Audigy In-Reply-To: <1147248461.13281.67.camel@jmn.cs.bath.ac.uk> References: <1147173125.13281.48.camel@jmn.cs.bath.ac.uk> <200605091341.24274.julien.brule@noos.fr> <1147248461.13281.67.camel@jmn.cs.bath.ac.uk> Message-ID: <1147258818.18750.78.camel@mindpipe> On Wed, 2006-05-10 at 09:07 +0100, Jonty Needham wrote: > Many thanks Julien. I found I was windozed; the soundfonts on the CL cd > were labelled *.SF2, not *.sf2, which was why I couldn't find them. I > have since loaded PC51f onto my soundcard, but as my sound card only > appears to have 8 megs of space on it, I have a somewhat cut down > collection. > This does not make sense. The PC51 soundfont should work perfectly - it does here. Soundfonts don't get loaded into the card, they are loaded into system memory. > Does anyone have any reccomendations on which soundfonts to use, or > whether it's better to use a softsynth, or maybe I should just try these > things out... > The PC51 soundfont is considered one of the best. > Many Thanks > Jonty > > On Tue, 2006-05-09 at 12:41, julien Brul? wrote: > > Le Mardi 9 Mai 2006 13:12, Jonty Needham a ?crit : > > > Hi, > > > > > hello, > > > > > Yet Another Stupid Question: I have a Creative Labs Soundblaster Audigy, > > > with no soundfonts loaded onto it. I have placed the CL CD in and found > > > no soundfonts with it. > > > > i found it in a french CL CD....it is in a sub-sub-subdirectorie..... > > > > > I do have the PC51f.sf2 soundfont, which I assume > > > you load onto the soundcard with asfxload, but the last time I tried > > > this I couldn't make my any noise. > > > > after that you should use aconnect....with aconnect -lio (list input ouput) > > and aconnect client:port recept:port > > > > maybe you need to tweak the alsamixer... > > > > > > > > Could anyone point out what I should do/have done wrong/which friendly > > > manual I should read? > > > > > > Jonty > > From rlrevell at joe-job.com Wed May 10 07:03:18 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Wed May 10 07:03:46 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] -rt IRQ handler priorities In-Reply-To: <1147258618.27820.272.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <20060509094441.46F741570DEA@music.columbia.edu> <1147205080.18750.15.camel@mindpipe> <1147242344.27820.239.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1147258178.18750.72.camel@mindpipe> <1147258618.27820.272.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1147258999.18750.82.camel@mindpipe> On Wed, 2006-05-10 at 12:56 +0200, Thomas Gleixner wrote: > On Wed, 2006-05-10 at 06:49 -0400, Lee Revell wrote: > > > > > > This is only true, when high resolution timers are enabled. > > > > Is there any solution for the !CONFIG_HIGH_RES_TIMERS case? I for one > > can't use it because my hardware doesn't support it (no local APIC). > > What hardware platform ? > Via C3 mini ITX board. > HRT works with PIT only too. I was not aware of that. > Otherwise you really need to chrt the > hrtimers softirq prio statically. > The problem was that setting the thread's priority to 99 caused long latencies every 10 minutes when rt_secret_rebuild() ran, as if the timer callbacks that do real work and the ones that just deliver a signal are all running from the softirq timer thread. Lee > tglx > > > From jmn20 at bath.ac.uk Wed May 10 07:22:22 2006 From: jmn20 at bath.ac.uk (Jonty Needham) Date: Wed May 10 07:22:31 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] YASQ: Soundfonts and Audigy In-Reply-To: <1147258818.18750.78.camel@mindpipe> References: <1147173125.13281.48.camel@jmn.cs.bath.ac.uk> <200605091341.24274.julien.brule@noos.fr> <1147248461.13281.67.camel@jmn.cs.bath.ac.uk> <1147258818.18750.78.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <1147260142.13281.79.camel@jmn.cs.bath.ac.uk> Ok, thanks Lee. What I did was (quite naively) $ asfxload PC51f.sf2 After doing this I got the message "no memory left on card" or equivalent. Rosegarden then played the instruments, but many of the instruments did not make any sound when selected. This may be (almost certainly is) a problem with my understanding of Rosegarden, having used it for almost 15 minutes. I don't really understand what is going on in full yet -- I'm really very new hence the many yasq's. Jonty On Wed, 2006-05-10 at 12:00, Lee Revell wrote: > On Wed, 2006-05-10 at 09:07 +0100, Jonty Needham wrote: > > Many thanks Julien. I found I was windozed; the soundfonts on the CL cd > > were labelled *.SF2, not *.sf2, which was why I couldn't find them. I > > have since loaded PC51f onto my soundcard, but as my sound card only > > appears to have 8 megs of space on it, I have a somewhat cut down > > collection. > > > > This does not make sense. The PC51 soundfont should work perfectly - it > does here. Soundfonts don't get loaded into the card, they are loaded > into system memory. > > > Does anyone have any reccomendations on which soundfonts to use, or > > whether it's better to use a softsynth, or maybe I should just try these > > things out... > > > > The PC51 soundfont is considered one of the best. > > > Many Thanks > > Jonty > > > > On Tue, 2006-05-09 at 12:41, julien Brul? wrote: > > > Le Mardi 9 Mai 2006 13:12, Jonty Needham a ?crit : > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > hello, > > > > > > > Yet Another Stupid Question: I have a Creative Labs Soundblaster Audigy, > > > > with no soundfonts loaded onto it. I have placed the CL CD in and found > > > > no soundfonts with it. > > > > > > i found it in a french CL CD....it is in a sub-sub-subdirectorie..... > > > > > > > I do have the PC51f.sf2 soundfont, which I assume > > > > you load onto the soundcard with asfxload, but the last time I tried > > > > this I couldn't make my any noise. > > > > > > after that you should use aconnect....with aconnect -lio (list input ouput) > > > and aconnect client:port recept:port > > > > > > maybe you need to tweak the alsamixer... > > > > > > > > > > > Could anyone point out what I should do/have done wrong/which friendly > > > > manual I should read? > > > > > > > > Jonty > > > > > From rlrevell at joe-job.com Wed May 10 07:34:12 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Wed May 10 07:34:40 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] YASQ: Soundfonts and Audigy In-Reply-To: <1147260142.13281.79.camel@jmn.cs.bath.ac.uk> References: <1147173125.13281.48.camel@jmn.cs.bath.ac.uk> <200605091341.24274.julien.brule@noos.fr> <1147248461.13281.67.camel@jmn.cs.bath.ac.uk> <1147258818.18750.78.camel@mindpipe> <1147260142.13281.79.camel@jmn.cs.bath.ac.uk> Message-ID: <1147260853.18750.91.camel@mindpipe> On Wed, 2006-05-10 at 12:22 +0100, Jonty Needham wrote: > Ok, thanks Lee. What I did was (quite naively) > $ asfxload PC51f.sf2 > After doing this I got the message "no memory left on card" or > equivalent. > Try rebooting and load the soundfont from an init script. If your memory is very fragmented it can fail. Lee From woho at woho.de Wed May 10 07:32:28 2006 From: woho at woho.de (Wolfgang Hoffmann) Date: Wed May 10 07:36:14 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] -rt IRQ handler priorities In-Reply-To: <1147258178.18750.72.camel@mindpipe> References: <20060509094441.46F741570DEA@music.columbia.edu> <1147242344.27820.239.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1147258178.18750.72.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <200605101332.28329.woho@woho.de> On Wednesday 10 May 2006 12:49, Lee Revell wrote: > On Wed, 2006-05-10 at 08:25 +0200, Thomas Gleixner wrote: > > On Wed, 2006-05-10 at 02:15 -0400, Steven Rostedt wrote: > > > I've CC'd Thomas Gleixner. I beleive that the hrtimers code now uses > > > priorities. That is, when a timer is to go off, the hrtimer softirq > > > inherits the priority of the task that created the timer. Thomas, > > > correct me if I'm wrong. But I also believe this code is a work in > > > progress, and the more feedback of what people want/need the better we > > > can make the code do just that. > > > > > > Is the high res timers turned on? > > > > http://www.linutronix.de/index.php?module=News&id=cntnt01&cntnt01action=detail&cntnt01articleid=8&cntnt01dateformat=%b%20%d, %20%Y&cntnt01returnid=31 > > > > This is only true, when high resolution timers are enabled. > > Is there any solution for the !CONFIG_HIGH_RES_TIMERS case? I for one > can't use it because my hardware doesn't support it (no local APIC). Thanks for forwarding the link, Lee. That's helpful information. Thomas, does this dynamic priority support work when running softirq-timer/0 at SCHED_OTHER? I tried, and it seems to work here, I just want to make sure it's valid to do so. Wolfgang From listreader at lupulin.net Wed May 10 08:09:01 2006 From: listreader at lupulin.net (paul wisehart) Date: Wed May 10 08:10:18 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] YASQ: Soundfonts and Audigy In-Reply-To: <1147260853.18750.91.camel@mindpipe> References: <1147173125.13281.48.camel@jmn.cs.bath.ac.uk> <200605091341.24274.julien.brule@noos.fr> <1147248461.13281.67.camel@jmn.cs.bath.ac.uk> <1147258818.18750.78.camel@mindpipe> <1147260142.13281.79.camel@jmn.cs.bath.ac.uk> <1147260853.18750.91.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <20060510120901.GB11719@seraph.office.techtarget.com> On Wed, May 10, 2006 at 07:34:12AM -0400, Lee Revell wrote: > On Wed, 2006-05-10 at 12:22 +0100, Jonty Needham wrote: > > Ok, thanks Lee. What I did was (quite naively) > > $ asfxload PC51f.sf2 > > After doing this I got the message "no memory left on card" or > > equivalent. > > > > Try rebooting and load the soundfont from an init script. If your > memory is very fragmented it can fail. I also have this problem with an older SB Live! card. When I try to load "FluidR3-GM.sf2" it gives the not enoough memory error. But, that soundfont is 142 megabytes ... -- paul w From bourdon at kabelfoon.net Wed May 10 08:18:18 2006 From: bourdon at kabelfoon.net (Bert Visser) Date: Wed May 10 08:18:27 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] YASQ: Soundfonts and Audigy In-Reply-To: <20060510120901.GB11719@seraph.office.techtarget.com> References: <1147173125.13281.48.camel@jmn.cs.bath.ac.uk> <200605091341.24274.julien.brule@noos.fr> <1147248461.13281.67.camel@jmn.cs.bath.ac.uk> <1147258818.18750.78.camel@mindpipe> <1147260142.13281.79.camel@jmn.cs.bath.ac.uk> <1147260853.18750.91.camel@mindpipe> <20060510120901.GB11719@seraph.office.techtarget.com> Message-ID: <4461DA0A.40603@kabelfoon.net> paul wisehart schreef: > On Wed, May 10, 2006 at 07:34:12AM -0400, Lee Revell wrote: > >> On Wed, 2006-05-10 at 12:22 +0100, Jonty Needham wrote: >> >>> Ok, thanks Lee. What I did was (quite naively) >>> $ asfxload PC51f.sf2 >>> After doing this I got the message "no memory left on card" or >>> equivalent. >>> >>> >> Try rebooting and load the soundfont from an init script. If your >> memory is very fragmented it can fail. >> > > I also have this problem with an older SB Live! card. > When I try to load "FluidR3-GM.sf2" it gives the not enoough memory > error. But, that soundfont is 142 megabytes ... > > The Live! cards have a 32 MB limit no matter how much system memory you have, so for this one you will need an Audigy card. Regards, Bert From bourdon at kabelfoon.net Wed May 10 08:23:03 2006 From: bourdon at kabelfoon.net (Bert Visser) Date: Wed May 10 08:23:26 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] YASQ: Soundfonts and Audigy In-Reply-To: <1147260142.13281.79.camel@jmn.cs.bath.ac.uk> References: <1147173125.13281.48.camel@jmn.cs.bath.ac.uk> <200605091341.24274.julien.brule@noos.fr> <1147248461.13281.67.camel@jmn.cs.bath.ac.uk> <1147258818.18750.78.camel@mindpipe> <1147260142.13281.79.camel@jmn.cs.bath.ac.uk> Message-ID: <4461DB27.5070204@kabelfoon.net> Jonty Needham schreef: > Ok, thanks Lee. What I did was (quite naively) > $ asfxload PC51f.sf2 > After doing this I got the message "no memory left on card" or > equivalent. > > Rosegarden then played the instruments, but many of the instruments did > not make any sound when selected. This may be (almost certainly is) a > problem with my understanding of Rosegarden, having used it for almost > 15 minutes. > > I don't really understand what is going on in full yet -- I'm really > very new hence the many yasq's. > > Jonty > > How much system memory do you have? Bert From rlrevell at joe-job.com Wed May 10 08:26:08 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Wed May 10 08:26:59 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] -rt IRQ handler priorities In-Reply-To: <1147263229.27820.276.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <20060509094441.46F741570DEA@music.columbia.edu> <1147242344.27820.239.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1147258178.18750.72.camel@mindpipe> <200605101332.28329.woho@woho.de> <1147263229.27820.276.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1147263969.18750.107.camel@mindpipe> On Wed, 2006-05-10 at 14:13 +0200, Thomas Gleixner wrote: > On Wed, 2006-05-10 at 13:32 +0200, Wolfgang Hoffmann wrote: > > Thomas, does this dynamic priority support work when running softirq-timer/0 > > at SCHED_OTHER? I tried, and it seems to work here, I just want to make sure > > it's valid to do so. > > The softirq-timer/0 is not affected by this. Only the timers which are > in the hrtimer subsystem are handled that way. > > Thats currently: nano_sleep, itimer, posix_timers Sorry, I'm more confused than I was at the beginning of the thread. How can the OP's problem (setting softirq-timer to SCHED_FIFO priority 99 is required to get sleep() to work, but causes large latencies when rt_secret_rebuild() runs) be addressed? Is the only solution to enable high res timers? Lee From rlrevell at joe-job.com Wed May 10 08:40:44 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Wed May 10 08:41:00 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] -rt IRQ handler priorities In-Reply-To: <1147264638.27820.279.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <20060509094441.46F741570DEA@music.columbia.edu> <1147242344.27820.239.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1147258178.18750.72.camel@mindpipe> <200605101332.28329.woho@woho.de> <1147263229.27820.276.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1147263969.18750.107.camel@mindpipe> <1147264638.27820.279.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1147264845.18750.115.camel@mindpipe> On Wed, 2006-05-10 at 14:37 +0200, Thomas Gleixner wrote: > > It should be not that hard to seperate them also for non highres mode, > but I never thought about it though. OK. It's not a problem to require high res timers for this, however many users disable them as the code was not stable until recently. I think the separation would be useful if high res timers and realtime preemption will be independently submitted upstream. Lee From listreader at lupulin.net Wed May 10 08:48:58 2006 From: listreader at lupulin.net (paul wisehart) Date: Wed May 10 08:50:14 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] YASQ: Soundfonts and Audigy In-Reply-To: <4461DA0A.40603@kabelfoon.net> References: <1147173125.13281.48.camel@jmn.cs.bath.ac.uk> <200605091341.24274.julien.brule@noos.fr> <1147248461.13281.67.camel@jmn.cs.bath.ac.uk> <1147258818.18750.78.camel@mindpipe> <1147260142.13281.79.camel@jmn.cs.bath.ac.uk> <1147260853.18750.91.camel@mindpipe> <20060510120901.GB11719@seraph.office.techtarget.com> <4461DA0A.40603@kabelfoon.net> Message-ID: <20060510124858.GA12251@seraph.office.techtarget.com> On Wed, May 10, 2006 at 02:18:18PM +0200, Bert Visser wrote: > paul wisehart schreef: > > > >I also have this problem with an older SB Live! card. > >When I try to load "FluidR3-GM.sf2" it gives the not enoough memory > >error. But, that soundfont is 142 megabytes ... > > > > > > The Live! cards have a 32 MB limit no matter how much system memory you > have, so for this one you will need an Audigy card. Thanks, is there somewhere I can read up on the details of this issue? I might buy an audigy card just to get the bigger soundfont capability, but it would be *only* for that reason so I wanna make sure I get the right audigy card. thanks, -- paul w From jmn20 at bath.ac.uk Wed May 10 08:55:50 2006 From: jmn20 at bath.ac.uk (Jonty Needham) Date: Wed May 10 08:55:57 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] YASQ: Soundfonts and Audigy In-Reply-To: <1147260853.18750.91.camel@mindpipe> References: <1147173125.13281.48.camel@jmn.cs.bath.ac.uk> <200605091341.24274.julien.brule@noos.fr> <1147248461.13281.67.camel@jmn.cs.bath.ac.uk> <1147258818.18750.78.camel@mindpipe> <1147260142.13281.79.camel@jmn.cs.bath.ac.uk> <1147260853.18750.91.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <1147265750.12203.2.camel@jmn.cs.bath.ac.uk> On Wed, 2006-05-10 at 12:34, Lee Revell wrote: > On Wed, 2006-05-10 at 12:22 +0100, Jonty Needham wrote: > > Ok, thanks Lee. What I did was (quite naively) > > $ asfxload PC51f.sf2 > > After doing this I got the message "no memory left on card" or > > equivalent. > > > > Try rebooting and load the soundfont from an init script. If your > memory is very fragmented it can fail. > > Lee Thanks Lee. Could you tell me which fm I should rt for this? Does it involve me simply adding the line asfxload PC51f.sf2 to /etc/init.d/alsasound? From jmn20 at bath.ac.uk Wed May 10 08:56:46 2006 From: jmn20 at bath.ac.uk (Jonty Needham) Date: Wed May 10 08:57:00 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] YASQ: Soundfonts and Audigy In-Reply-To: <4461DB27.5070204@kabelfoon.net> References: <1147173125.13281.48.camel@jmn.cs.bath.ac.uk> <200605091341.24274.julien.brule@noos.fr> <1147248461.13281.67.camel@jmn.cs.bath.ac.uk> <1147258818.18750.78.camel@mindpipe> <1147260142.13281.79.camel@jmn.cs.bath.ac.uk> <4461DB27.5070204@kabelfoon.net> Message-ID: <1147265805.12203.5.camel@jmn.cs.bath.ac.uk> On Wed, 2006-05-10 at 13:23, Bert Visser wrote: > Jonty Needham schreef: > > Ok, thanks Lee. What I did was (quite naively) > > $ asfxload PC51f.sf2 > > After doing this I got the message "no memory left on card" or > > equivalent. > > > > Rosegarden then played the instruments, but many of the instruments did > > not make any sound when selected. This may be (almost certainly is) a > > problem with my understanding of Rosegarden, having used it for almost > > 15 minutes. > > > > I don't really understand what is going on in full yet -- I'm really > > very new hence the many yasq's. > > > > Jonty > > > > > How much system memory do you have? > > Bert I'm not sure. Is that the same as ram? (512 Mbytes). Else I don't know quite what you mean. Jonty From rlrevell at joe-job.com Wed May 10 09:00:11 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Wed May 10 09:00:23 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] YASQ: Soundfonts and Audigy In-Reply-To: <1147265750.12203.2.camel@jmn.cs.bath.ac.uk> References: <1147173125.13281.48.camel@jmn.cs.bath.ac.uk> <200605091341.24274.julien.brule@noos.fr> <1147248461.13281.67.camel@jmn.cs.bath.ac.uk> <1147258818.18750.78.camel@mindpipe> <1147260142.13281.79.camel@jmn.cs.bath.ac.uk> <1147260853.18750.91.camel@mindpipe> <1147265750.12203.2.camel@jmn.cs.bath.ac.uk> Message-ID: <1147266012.18750.123.camel@mindpipe> On Wed, 2006-05-10 at 13:55 +0100, Jonty Needham wrote: > On Wed, 2006-05-10 at 12:34, Lee Revell wrote: > > On Wed, 2006-05-10 at 12:22 +0100, Jonty Needham wrote: > > > Ok, thanks Lee. What I did was (quite naively) > > > $ asfxload PC51f.sf2 > > > After doing this I got the message "no memory left on card" or > > > equivalent. > > > > > > > Try rebooting and load the soundfont from an init script. If your > > memory is very fragmented it can fail. > > > > Lee > > Thanks Lee. Could you tell me which fm I should rt for this? Does it > involve me simply adding the line asfxload PC51f.sf2 to > /etc/init.d/alsasound? > Yes that's messy but should work. Lee From bourdon at kabelfoon.net Wed May 10 09:31:33 2006 From: bourdon at kabelfoon.net (Bert Visser) Date: Wed May 10 09:31:40 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] YASQ: Soundfonts and Audigy In-Reply-To: <1147265805.12203.5.camel@jmn.cs.bath.ac.uk> References: <1147173125.13281.48.camel@jmn.cs.bath.ac.uk> <200605091341.24274.julien.brule@noos.fr> <1147248461.13281.67.camel@jmn.cs.bath.ac.uk> <1147258818.18750.78.camel@mindpipe> <1147260142.13281.79.camel@jmn.cs.bath.ac.uk> <4461DB27.5070204@kabelfoon.net> <1147265805.12203.5.camel@jmn.cs.bath.ac.uk> Message-ID: <4461EB35.4070209@kabelfoon.net> >> How much system memory do you have? >> >> Bert >> > > I'm not sure. Is that the same as ram? (512 Mbytes). Else I don't know > quite what you mean. > > Jonty > > > Yes, it is. 512 MB should be more than enough for the PC51f.sf2 Bert From dsbaikov at gmail.com Wed May 10 09:54:52 2006 From: dsbaikov at gmail.com (Dmitry Baikov) Date: Wed May 10 09:55:00 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] gentoo proaudio portage overlay In-Reply-To: <200605092351.34383.ireneshusband@yahoo.co.uk> References: <200605092351.34383.ireneshusband@yahoo.co.uk> Message-ID: <70a871c80605100654o322fabd5g3a15d11f1d40602@mail.gmail.com> Yes, very useful overlay. I definetely recommend it ;) From pw_lists at slinkp.com Wed May 10 10:00:32 2006 From: pw_lists at slinkp.com (Paul Winkler) Date: Wed May 10 09:58:41 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] gentoo proaudio portage overlay In-Reply-To: <200605092351.34383.ireneshusband@yahoo.co.uk> References: <200605092351.34383.ireneshusband@yahoo.co.uk> Message-ID: <20060510140032.GA8861@slinkp.com> On Tue, May 09, 2006 at 11:51:33PM -0700, Robert Persson wrote: > I don't know if the other gentoo users on this list are aware of this, but > someone who goes by the name of nevermind has created a proaudio portage > overlay. You can find out about it at > http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-427211.html , or download a live svn > snapshot directly from > http://svnweb.tuxfamily.org/dl.php?repname=proaudio+%28ckpp%29&path=%2F&rev=0&isdir=1 . (snip) > So not problem free, but very useful nonetheless. Yep, I've been using it here so far and had much the same experience. The maintainer is pretty responsive to issue reports and patches, too. -- Paul Winkler http://www.slinkp.com From dsbaikov at gmail.com Wed May 10 10:08:47 2006 From: dsbaikov at gmail.com (Dmitry Baikov) Date: Wed May 10 10:08:55 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: First trip to Europe In-Reply-To: <20060420195102.672972e1@office> References: <70a871c80604190639i15088fb3x30a717f07aa40513@mail.gmail.com> <44470447.8050005@bigfoot.com> <70a871c80604192331m2ad6644cj65b579e49e4e77e4@mail.gmail.com> <200604201327.11170.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> <20060420195102.672972e1@office> Message-ID: <70a871c80605100708u363d5306k3e0cab97b1e95776@mail.gmail.com> To close this thread for now. Thank you all for your kind and useful responces. However, it turned out that the main showstopper is visa. We can't get it for such a long time (a month), as it would be our first one. Things get even more complicated, since my girlfriend right now is not a student and does not have a job. They say we should build our "Shengen history" and after one-two (more - better) short and regular tours we can hope to get month-long visa anywhere we want. Taking this into account, we have to postpone our Trip to the next year and try to make two tours to shengen this year. It's a pity, since tours via travel agencies are about twice as expensive, but they are our only legal gates to europe. Moveover, the choice of the first place to visit is also restricted. We wanted to make London-Paris tour, but GB has very strict rules and rules us out. Possibly, it will be France and/or Italy as the most permissive ones. Will try to match our DreamTrip with the next LAC. Kind regards, Dmitry. From bourdon at kabelfoon.net Wed May 10 10:21:54 2006 From: bourdon at kabelfoon.net (Bert Visser) Date: Wed May 10 10:22:29 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] YASQ: Soundfonts and Audigy In-Reply-To: <20060510124858.GA12251@seraph.office.techtarget.com> References: <1147173125.13281.48.camel@jmn.cs.bath.ac.uk> <200605091341.24274.julien.brule@noos.fr> <1147248461.13281.67.camel@jmn.cs.bath.ac.uk> <1147258818.18750.78.camel@mindpipe> <1147260142.13281.79.camel@jmn.cs.bath.ac.uk> <1147260853.18750.91.camel@mindpipe> <20060510120901.GB11719@seraph.office.techtarget.com> <4461DA0A.40603@kabelfoon.net> <20060510124858.GA12251@seraph.office.techtarget.com> Message-ID: <4461F702.6010904@kabelfoon.net> paul wisehart schreef: >> The Live! cards have a 32 MB limit no matter how much system memory you >> have, so for this one you will need an Audigy card. >> > > Thanks, is there somewhere I can read up on the details of this issue? > I might buy an audigy card just to get the bigger soundfont capability, > but it would be *only* for that reason so I wanna make sure I get the > right audigy card. > > thanks, > > -- > paul w > > > I have to correct myself; it looks like the 32 MB limit as mentioned in Creative's knowledgebase is only with the original Windows driver. In my machine - a dual boot WinXP / FC4 - I have an Audigy and a Live! card and on the WinXP side with the driver from the kxproject I can easily load much, much more on the Live! card than just 32 MB. In Linux, when loading the Fluid soundfont I get a message "no memory left" but the font is loaded and usable. This happens on both the Audigy and on the Live. So I guess this means that in your case there probably is another problem which won't be solved by getting an Audigy card. Could you try the PC51f.sf2 soundfont and see if this one loads without messages? You can get it at http://www.personalcopy.com/home.htm (ca. 51 MB) Sorry for the initial misinformation. Regards, Bert From listreader at lupulin.net Wed May 10 10:52:09 2006 From: listreader at lupulin.net (paul wisehart) Date: Wed May 10 10:53:40 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] YASQ: Soundfonts and Audigy In-Reply-To: <4461F702.6010904@kabelfoon.net> References: <1147173125.13281.48.camel@jmn.cs.bath.ac.uk> <200605091341.24274.julien.brule@noos.fr> <1147248461.13281.67.camel@jmn.cs.bath.ac.uk> <1147258818.18750.78.camel@mindpipe> <1147260142.13281.79.camel@jmn.cs.bath.ac.uk> <1147260853.18750.91.camel@mindpipe> <20060510120901.GB11719@seraph.office.techtarget.com> <4461DA0A.40603@kabelfoon.net> <20060510124858.GA12251@seraph.office.techtarget.com> <4461F702.6010904@kabelfoon.net> Message-ID: <20060510145209.GA12633@seraph.office.techtarget.com> On Wed, May 10, 2006 at 04:21:54PM +0200, Bert Visser wrote: > > load much, much more on the Live! card than just 32 MB. In Linux, when > loading the Fluid soundfont I get a message "no memory left" but the > font is loaded and usable. This happens on both the Audigy and on the > Live. So I guess this means that in your case there probably is another > problem which won't be solved by getting an Audigy card. > > Could you try the PC51f.sf2 soundfont and see if this one loads without > messages? You can get it at http://www.personalcopy.com/home.htm (ca. 51 MB) > Thanks for the update. I just tried FLuid on my friend's Audigy machine (linux), and got the same results as you. The "no memory left" error came up, but I *was* able to use the font just fine. (I just used pmidi on some random piano type midi file.) I'm downloading the PC51f.sf2 soundfont now, and will try it when I get home. thanks, -- paul w From hardbop200 at gmail.com Wed May 10 11:17:29 2006 From: hardbop200 at gmail.com (Josh Lawrence) Date: Wed May 10 11:17:36 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Patching the kernel - question Message-ID: I'm confused about how to properly patch a kernel. I tried to patch a kernel recently with Mingo's patch, and it failed. In researching the problem, I came up with this: http://kernelnewbies.org/FAQ/HowToApplyAPatch >From what I can understand, this document is telling me that I would need to download kernel 2.6 (no incremental versions), and apply the most recent Mingo patch (as of today, 2.6.16-rt20) from there. Prior to reading this, I always thought that you downloaded the most recent full kernel (as of today, 2.6.16.15), the most recent patch (as of today, 2.6.16-rt20), and go from there. Which way is the proper way? -- Josh Lawrence http://www.hardbop200.com From gimpel at sonnenkinder.org Wed May 10 11:38:13 2006 From: gimpel at sonnenkinder.org (Thomas Kuther) Date: Wed May 10 11:38:23 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] gentoo proaudio portage overlay In-Reply-To: <200605092351.34383.ireneshusband@yahoo.co.uk> References: <200605092351.34383.ireneshusband@yahoo.co.uk> Message-ID: <20060510173813.4ff619cf@SiRiUS.home> On Tue, 9 May 2006 23:51:33 -0700 Robert Persson wrote: > I don't know if the other gentoo users on this list are aware of > this, but someone who goes by the name of nevermind has created a > proaudio portage overlay. You can find out about it at > http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-427211.html , or download a live > svn snapshot directly from > http://svnweb.tuxfamily.org/dl.php?repname=proaudio+%28ckpp%29&path=%2F&rev=0&isdir=1 . > > Overall it is very useful, containing both packages that are missing > from the main portage tree and more recent versions of existing > packages. There are several very nice apps I had not heard of before, > such as aeolus, the pipe organ emulator. > > One thing I have found I have needed to do has been to manually > download some of the tarballs to /usr/portage/distfiles, and then to > delete some of the digests and manifests and rebuild them (using > "ebuild packagename-1.2.3 manifest digest") in order to generate new > checksums. In one case (I think it was the vst sdk) I had to roll my > own tarball in place of the one one of the ebuilds was unable to > download. There were one or two other ebuild tweaks I had to do as > well. So not problem free, but very useful nonetheless. > > Robert Hi Robert, could you please post the error message you get from ebuild's digest verification? Maybe directly in the thread on the forums, not here on the list. I smell a problem with arch portage vs. ~arch portage's new SHA256 digest method on some ebuilds... also other tweaks, fixes etc are allways very welcome! Regards, Tom (gimpel) From shulmang at colorado.edu Wed May 10 11:42:43 2006 From: shulmang at colorado.edu (Garett Shulman) Date: Wed May 10 11:42:58 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Patching the kernel - question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <446209F3.6080301@colorado.edu> Josh Lawrence wrote: > I'm confused about how to properly patch a kernel. I tried to patch a > kernel recently with Mingo's patch, and it failed. In researching the > problem, I came up with this: > > http://kernelnewbies.org/FAQ/HowToApplyAPatch > > >From what I can understand, this document is telling me that I would > need to download kernel 2.6 (no incremental versions), and apply the > most recent Mingo patch (as of today, 2.6.16-rt20) from there. Prior > to reading this, I always thought that you downloaded the most recent > full kernel (as of today, 2.6.16.15), the most recent patch (as of > today, 2.6.16-rt20), and go from there. Which way is the proper way? > > Downloading kernel 2.6.16.15 and patch 2.6.16-rt20 is correct. The FAQ likely applies to patches for getting 2.6.0 to 2.6.15. What error do you see when you try applying 2.6.16-rt20 to 2.6.16.15? > -- > Josh Lawrence > http://www.hardbop200.com > From hardbop200 at gmail.com Wed May 10 11:46:58 2006 From: hardbop200 at gmail.com (Josh Lawrence) Date: Wed May 10 11:47:06 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Patching the kernel - question In-Reply-To: <446209F3.6080301@colorado.edu> References: <446209F3.6080301@colorado.edu> Message-ID: On 5/10/06, Garett Shulman wrote: > Downloading kernel 2.6.16.15 and patch 2.6.16-rt20 is correct. The FAQ > likely applies to patches for getting 2.6.0 to 2.6.15. What error do you > see when you try applying 2.6.16-rt20 to 2.6.16.15? Unfortunately, I did not save any of the output. I intend to try this again this week, I will post back to this thread with the results. While this may not be enough info to be helpful, I do remember getting something that asked about "patch already being applied, assume -R?", which was confusing. How could a vanilla kernel already have information from Mingo's patches? -- Josh Lawrence http://www.hardbop200.com From dominic.sacre at gmx.de Wed May 10 11:55:49 2006 From: dominic.sacre at gmx.de (Dominic =?iso-8859-1?q?Sacr=E9?=) Date: Wed May 10 11:57:18 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Patching the kernel - question In-Reply-To: <446209F3.6080301@colorado.edu> References: <446209F3.6080301@colorado.edu> Message-ID: <200605101755.49493.dominic.sacre@gmx.de> On Wednesday, 10. May 2006 17:42, Garett Shulman wrote: > Downloading kernel 2.6.16.15 and patch 2.6.16-rt20 is correct. The FAQ > likely applies to patches for getting 2.6.0 to 2.6.15. What error do > you see when you try applying 2.6.16-rt20 to 2.6.16.15? 2.6.16-rt20 is not guaranteed to apply cleanly to 2.6.16.15. In fact, it does not. The errors are trivial to resolve, but only if you have some idea of what you are doing. Ingo's patches are against 2.6.16, so you should download that and then apply 2.6.16-rt20. This way you don't get the bugfixes between 2.6.16 and 2.6.16.15, but then again, who said you'd get a stable kernel if you use -rt patches? ;) From listreader at lupulin.net Wed May 10 11:56:29 2006 From: listreader at lupulin.net (paul wisehart) Date: Wed May 10 11:58:40 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Patching the kernel - question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20060510155629.GB12633@seraph.office.techtarget.com> On Wed, May 10, 2006 at 10:17:29AM -0500, Josh Lawrence wrote: > to reading this, I always thought that you downloaded the most recent > full kernel (as of today, 2.6.16.15), the most recent patch (as of > today, 2.6.16-rt20), and go from there. Which way is the proper way? I recently built my first -rt kernel. WRT 2.6.16-rt20, I wasn't sure whether to apply this patch to the latest kernel (2.6.16.) or just 2.6.16. To be safe I patched to 2.6.16, and it worked fine. I did this because following the "prepatch" example: (for example, the 2.6.12-rc4 prepatch should be applied to the 2.6.11 kernel sources, not, for example, 2.6.11.10.) -- paul w From mista.tapas at gmx.net Wed May 10 11:58:38 2006 From: mista.tapas at gmx.net (Florian Paul Schmidt) Date: Wed May 10 11:59:47 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Patching the kernel - question In-Reply-To: References: <446209F3.6080301@colorado.edu> Message-ID: <20060510175838.205665c8@mango.fruits> On Wed, 10 May 2006 10:46:58 -0500 "Josh Lawrence" wrote: > On 5/10/06, Garett Shulman wrote: > > Downloading kernel 2.6.16.15 and patch 2.6.16-rt20 is correct. The FAQ > > likely applies to patches for getting 2.6.0 to 2.6.15. What error do you > > see when you try applying 2.6.16-rt20 to 2.6.16.15? Actually, if the -rt patches follow the normal patch name convention, they should be applied to 2.6.16 not any of the stable team releases [2.6.16.x]. You might be lucky though if the patches that the stable team applied are compatible to the -rt patches [which they probably are most of the time]. > Unfortunately, I did not save any of the output. I intend to try this > again this week, I will post back to this thread with the results. > > While this may not be enough info to be helpful, I do remember getting > something that asked about "patch already being applied, assume -R?", > which was confusing. How could a vanilla kernel already have > information from Mingo's patches? If you use the wrong patchlevel [-p0, -p1, etc] the program patch might get confused because the patchfile doesn't seem to fit. The canonical way to apply the -rt patch to a kernel ist: tar xjf linux-2.6.16.tar.bz2 cd linux 2.6.16 patch --dry-run -p1 < /path/to/patch-2.6.16-rt20 #if previous line ran without errors do: patch -p1 < /path/to/patch-2.6.16-rt20 Have fun, Flo -- Palimm Palimm! http://tapas.affenbande.org From rlrevell at joe-job.com Wed May 10 12:37:42 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Wed May 10 12:37:54 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Patching the kernel - question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1147279063.6535.6.camel@mindpipe> On Wed, 2006-05-10 at 10:17 -0500, Josh Lawrence wrote: > I'm confused about how to properly patch a kernel. I tried to patch a > kernel recently with Mingo's patch, and it failed. In researching the > problem, I came up with this: > > http://kernelnewbies.org/FAQ/HowToApplyAPatch > > >From what I can understand, this document is telling me that I would > need to download kernel 2.6 (no incremental versions), and apply the > most recent Mingo patch (as of today, 2.6.16-rt20) from there. Prior > to reading this, I always thought that you downloaded the most recent > full kernel (as of today, 2.6.16.15), the most recent patch (as of > today, 2.6.16-rt20), and go from there. Which way is the proper way? It's easier than you think it is - the name of the mingo patch tells you exactly which kernel to apply it against. In this case it's 2.6.16. Lee From hardbop200 at gmail.com Wed May 10 12:59:07 2006 From: hardbop200 at gmail.com (Josh Lawrence) Date: Wed May 10 12:59:16 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Patching the kernel - question In-Reply-To: <1147279063.6535.6.camel@mindpipe> References: <1147279063.6535.6.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: On 5/10/06, Lee Revell wrote: > It's easier than you think it is - the name of the mingo patch tells you > exactly which kernel to apply it against. In this case it's 2.6.16. Thank you very much for all your responses. It is very clear to me now. In an effort to be helpful, I'm going to compile all of this information into a HOWTO and post it on my website. Once it's done I'll send a link. Josh -- Josh Lawrence http://www.hardbop200.com From fbar at footils.org Wed May 10 15:08:55 2006 From: fbar at footils.org (Frank Barknecht) Date: Wed May 10 15:09:20 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] a concert (May 18 2006, Cologne) Message-ID: <20060510190855.GI29358@fliwatut.scifi> Hi, I'll do a concert at May 18 2006 as part of the Scene NRW: Baltics festival. It will be an evening with literature and music, where besides me the Latvian writer Pauls Bankovskis will read and Selfish from Lativa will do a DJ set. All this will happen at the Elektra bar in Cologne, Germany. I will perform an extended version of the stuff I did at the Linux Audio Conference 2006, which means lots of physical modelling with [msd2D] and [msd3D] for visuals and sound in Pure Data. Some more info, pics and URLs at http://footils.org/cms/show/53 I still haven't found a good name for this performance. Code name always was: "Faltig" but today another name occured to me with may be even cuter: "Einst?rzende Baukl?tze". Or maybe not. Ciao -- Frank Barknecht _ ______footils.org_ __goto10.org__ From folderol at ukfsn.org Wed May 10 15:28:12 2006 From: folderol at ukfsn.org (Folderol) Date: Wed May 10 15:27:11 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] a concert (May 18 2006, Cologne) In-Reply-To: <20060510190855.GI29358@fliwatut.scifi> References: <20060510190855.GI29358@fliwatut.scifi> Message-ID: <20060510202812.4bab7f3e@office> On Wed, 10 May 2006 21:08:55 +0200 Frank Barknecht wrote: > Hi, > > I'll do a concert at May 18 2006 as part of the Scene NRW: Baltics > festival. It will be an evening with literature and music, where > besides me the Latvian writer Pauls Bankovskis will read and Selfish > from Lativa will do a DJ set. > > All this will happen at the Elektra bar in Cologne, Germany. I will > perform an extended version of the stuff I did at the Linux Audio > Conference 2006, which means lots of physical modelling with [msd2D] > and [msd3D] for visuals and sound in Pure Data. > > Some more info, pics and URLs at http://footils.org/cms/show/53 > > I still haven't found a good name for this performance. Code name > always was: "Faltig" but today another name occured to me with may be > even cuter: > > "Einst?rzende Baukl?tze". > > Or maybe not. > > Ciao I'd love to go to some of these sort of events, but mid-week means no chance as I'll be working :( It would also be quite expensive to get there from England at such short notice. -- F From b0ef at esben-stien.name Wed May 10 18:14:44 2006 From: b0ef at esben-stien.name (Esben Stien) Date: Wed May 10 16:16:48 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Patching the kernel - question In-Reply-To: (Josh Lawrence's message of "Wed, 10 May 2006 11:59:07 -0500") References: <1147279063.6535.6.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <87ody5o7cb.fsf@esben-stien.name> "Josh Lawrence" writes: > Once it's done I'll send a link. Remember to put this on the JACK wiki. You will find its link on the top of the applications page on the JACK[1] site. [1]http://jackaudio.org -- Esben Stien is b0ef@e s a http://www. s t n m irc://irc. b - i . e/%23contact [sip|iax]: e e jid:b0ef@ n n From hardbop200 at gmail.com Wed May 10 17:09:26 2006 From: hardbop200 at gmail.com (Josh Lawrence) Date: Wed May 10 17:09:33 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Patching the kernel - question In-Reply-To: <87ody5o7cb.fsf@esben-stien.name> References: <1147279063.6535.6.camel@mindpipe> <87ody5o7cb.fsf@esben-stien.name> Message-ID: On 5/10/06, Esben Stien wrote: > Remember to put this on the JACK wiki. You will find its link on the > top of the applications page on the JACK[1] site. > > [1]http://jackaudio.org I already have the beginning of it, you can check it out here: http://www.hardbop200.com/howto-compiling-an-rt-kernel/ -- Josh Lawrence http://www.hardbop200.com From dana at ubuntustudio.com Wed May 10 17:40:39 2006 From: dana at ubuntustudio.com (Dana Olson) Date: Wed May 10 17:38:56 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] molnar patch In-Reply-To: <20060508201453.02c19dbe@mango.fruits> References: <1146883567.5417.8.camel@localhost> <1147039497.7838.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20060508201453.02c19dbe@mango.fruits> Message-ID: <1147297239.5012.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Mon, 2006-05-08 at 20:14 +0200, Florian Paul Schmidt wrote: > On Mon, 8 May 2006 12:03:34 -0500 > "Josh Lawrence" wrote: > > > On 5/7/06, Dana Olson wrote: > > > Did you bother reading the rest of the stuff on my site? Or did you just > > > stop reading once you got to the kernel part? The kernel is only one > > > part of it, and even that is optional if you get acceptable performance > > > without Ingo's patch. > > > > > > Here is a hint: > > > http://www.ubuntustudio.com/wiki/index.php/Breezy:Studio_Preparation#Real-Time_Support > > > > fyi, I've followed Dana's instructions more than once and found them > > to be excellent. Just use a little common sense when following them > > (there are newer versions of the kernel and the patch out) and you'll > > be fine. > > > > As Dana mentioned, there's a LOT more to getting realtime working than > > just the kernel - be sure to read everything there. > > I browsed over that page and didn't find any info on setting up the irq > handler priorities which is _the_ essential feature of -rt. > > Flo FYI: It is a wiki, you can add to it. I do not know everything there is to know, and I have been short on free time lately. Also, if things like kernel versions and patches are outdated, then they can be modified. Because, after all, it is a wiki. Dana -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 191 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part Url : http://music.columbia.edu/pipermail/linux-audio-user/attachments/20060510/643563e0/attachment.bin From tdhoward at gmail.com Wed May 10 18:18:15 2006 From: tdhoward at gmail.com (Tim Howard) Date: Wed May 10 18:18:27 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Advice on FC5 Message-ID: Lee Revell wrote: > On Tue, 2006-04-25 at 08:48 -0700, Tim Howard wrote: > > Thanks a bunch, Fernando! I just realized last night that my system > > (FC5 OOTB + Jack and Ardour) has about 42ms of latency, which I don't > > think qualifies as low latency... > > > > I do really like FC5, though. We'll stay tuned for a kernel release! > > > > Are you sure you're running realtime? How do you test latency? What > happens if you try to go lower than 42ms? > > Lee > Lee, I'm a real newbie at this... But I'm learning slowly. I didn't realize that the "42ms" of latency displayed by qjackctl in the setup section was NOT my system's "absolute lowest latency, take-it-or-leave-it." So when I loaded CCRMA's RT kernel for FC5, I was surprised to see that latency number stay the same... Then I started messing around with the frames per second setting, and got the number down to 5.333 msec (128 frames/sec), with a noticeably improved response time for softsynths, for example. I have tested this setting for xruns, and I haven't gotten any yet. I was playing back with 8 tracks, about 12 LADSPA effects, and recording 1 stereo track, and it was fine. (That's about the most I ever do.) What I'm wondering now is whether the stock kernel would have also been able to work acceptably, since it could also run in RT... Hmm, I'll have to go back and check that out. Is there a better way to check latency, BTW? Thanks for clueing me in, Lee. -TimH From markknecht at gmail.com Wed May 10 20:03:43 2006 From: markknecht at gmail.com (Mark Knecht) Date: Wed May 10 20:03:52 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Advice on FC5 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5bdc1c8b0605101703s417b46ddo204cf5b98928529@mail.gmail.com> On 5/10/06, Tim Howard wrote: > > What I'm wondering now is whether the stock kernel would have also > been able to work acceptably, since it could also run in RT... Hmm, > I'll have to go back and check that out. > Tim, I run a stock Gentoo kernel at 64/2 with an HDSP 9652 on an AMD64 machine with no xruns. Most of my work is pretty lite these days - much like you describe above. I don't have any problems. It doesn't hurt to give a stock kernel a try, but it's also pretty easy to patch with Ingo's stuff so there's no real reason to avoid it either. Take care, Mark From rlrevell at joe-job.com Wed May 10 20:12:40 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Wed May 10 20:12:52 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Advice on FC5 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1147306361.6535.51.camel@mindpipe> On Wed, 2006-05-10 at 15:18 -0700, Tim Howard wrote: > Is there a better way to check latency, BTW? > Nope. It's the same as Windows or Mac - you just have to experiment to find the lowest latency that works for you. There are far too many variables to tell a priori what the best achievable latency will be with a given setup. Sounds like you are doing OK. Lee From b0ef at esben-stien.name Wed May 10 22:45:40 2006 From: b0ef at esben-stien.name (Esben Stien) Date: Wed May 10 20:47:45 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Patching the kernel - question In-Reply-To: (Josh Lawrence's message of "Wed, 10 May 2006 16:09:26 -0500") References: <1147279063.6535.6.camel@mindpipe> <87ody5o7cb.fsf@esben-stien.name> Message-ID: <87irodnusr.fsf@esben-stien.name> "Josh Lawrence" writes: > check it Added to the wiki. http://lawiki.fugal.net/linuxaudio/show/Kernels -- Esben Stien is b0ef@e s a http://www. s t n m irc://irc. b - i . e/%23contact [sip|iax]: e e jid:b0ef@ n n From b0ef at esben-stien.name Thu May 11 00:09:34 2006 From: b0ef at esben-stien.name (Esben Stien) Date: Wed May 10 22:11:42 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Linux Audio SIP Conference Room! In-Reply-To: <32357910.12301145250419535.JavaMail.root@mugen.rockingtiger.com> (Lee A. Azzarello's message of "Mon, 17 Apr 2006 01:06:59 -0400 (EDT)") References: <32357910.12301145250419535.JavaMail.root@mugen.rockingtiger.com> Message-ID: <87ejz1nqwx.fsf@esben-stien.name> "Lee A. Azzarello" writes: > lau@ash.97montrose.org It gives invalid extension now. -- Esben Stien is b0ef@e s a http://www. s t n m irc://irc. b - i . e/%23contact [sip|iax]: e e jid:b0ef@ n n From job17and9 at sbcglobal.net Thu May 11 08:33:36 2006 From: job17and9 at sbcglobal.net (Brian Dunn) Date: Thu May 11 08:33:48 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] gentoo proaudio portage overlay In-Reply-To: <200605092351.34383.ireneshusband@yahoo.co.uk> References: <200605092351.34383.ireneshusband@yahoo.co.uk> Message-ID: <44632F20.20308@sbcglobal.net> Robert Persson wrote: >I don't know if the other gentoo users on this list are aware of this, but >someone who goes by the name of nevermind has created a proaudio portage >overlay. You can find out about it at >http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-427211.html , or download a live svn >snapshot directly from >http://svnweb.tuxfamily.org/dl.php?repname=proaudio+%28ckpp%29&path=%2F&rev=0&isdir=1 . > >Overall it is very useful, containing both packages that are missing from the >main portage tree and more recent versions of existing packages. There are >several very nice apps I had not heard of before, such as aeolus, the pipe >organ emulator. > >One thing I have found I have needed to do has been to manually download some >of the tarballs to /usr/portage/distfiles, and then to delete some of the >digests and manifests and rebuild them (using "ebuild packagename-1.2.3 >manifest digest") in order to generate new checksums. In one case (I think it >was the vst sdk) I had to roll my own tarball in place of the one one of the >ebuilds was unable to download. There were one or two other ebuild tweaks I >had to do as well. So not problem free, but very useful nonetheless. > >Robert > > I'm not sure what to do about the lash use flag. it conflicts with ladcca in the gentoo portage tree. that's fine i guess, since i never got ladcca working (for lack of trying). Also i found myself forced to upgrade gcc from 3.3 to 3.4, and the revdep-rebuild process choked at almost every package from the overlay. So i commented it (the overlay) out of etc/make.conf, and still got complaints. i ended up basically un installing all of the overlay packages and then commenting out the overlay and revdep-rebuild, then uncomment it and emerge -uDN world. I guess this would be better suited for the forums... but i agree that the overlay is not problem free. brian From ivalladolidt at terra.es Thu May 11 09:13:27 2006 From: ivalladolidt at terra.es (Ismael Valladolid Torres) Date: Thu May 11 09:13:47 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Patching the kernel - question In-Reply-To: References: <1147279063.6535.6.camel@mindpipe> <87ody5o7cb.fsf@esben-stien.name> Message-ID: <20060511131327.GA2772@spma33> Josh Lawrence escribe: > On 5/10/06, Esben Stien wrote: > >Remember to put this on the JACK wiki. You will find its link on the > >top of the applications page on the JACK[1] site. > > > >[1]http://jackaudio.org > > I already have the beginning of it, you can check it out here: > > http://www.hardbop200.com/howto-compiling-an-rt-kernel/ > I've not seen any reference in your (very nice btw) blog about whether your entries are freely redistribuible or not. I'd love translating this howto to spanish and publish it in my blog. Would I be authorized? Cordially, Ismael -- Ismael Valladolid Torres OpenPGP key ID: 0xDE721AF4 [^[$B$?$S$?$S$9$_$^$;$s^[(B] Jabber ID: ivalladt@jabberes.org http://lamediahostia.blogspot.com =?iso-2022-jp?B?GyJE0hREjAGyhC?= From hardbop200 at gmail.com Thu May 11 09:40:05 2006 From: hardbop200 at gmail.com (Josh Lawrence) Date: Thu May 11 09:40:15 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Patching the kernel - question In-Reply-To: <20060511131327.GA2772@spma33> References: <1147279063.6535.6.camel@mindpipe> <87ody5o7cb.fsf@esben-stien.name> <20060511131327.GA2772@spma33> Message-ID: On 5/11/06, Ismael Valladolid Torres wrote: > I've not seen any reference in your (very nice btw) blog about whether > your entries are freely redistribuible or not. I'd love translating > this howto to spanish and publish it in my blog. Would I be > authorized? Of course, please do whatever you need to. I'll see to it that a share-alike license gets put on the site today. Josh -- Josh Lawrence http://www.hardbop200.com From pgclarke at beeb.net Thu May 11 09:53:42 2006 From: pgclarke at beeb.net (Peter Clarke) Date: Thu May 11 10:01:24 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Rip sound from a VCD Message-ID: <200605112153.43283.pgclarke@beeb.net> Dear all, I was trying to rip some sound from a VCD today. I was hoping to play it in one ALSA application (Kaffeine) and simultaneously record in another (Rosegarden or Rezound). But when I tried to launch the recording application, it said it had no access to the audio. I also tried launching Rezound, then Kaffeine. This time, Kaffeine said it couldn't access the PCM, and it played without audio. Does this mean applications can't share the sound under ALSA? Or am I missing something? I'm running Gentoo with 2.6.16 kernel, ALSA 1.0.10 (I think - not quite sure how to check this). Any hints welcome. Peter C From rzewnickie at rfa.org Thu May 11 11:21:20 2006 From: rzewnickie at rfa.org (Eric Dantan Rzewnicki) Date: Thu May 11 11:21:33 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Rip sound from a VCD In-Reply-To: <200605112153.43283.pgclarke@beeb.net> References: <200605112153.43283.pgclarke@beeb.net> Message-ID: <20060511152119.GB6542@rfa.org> On Thu, May 11, 2006 at 09:53:42PM +0800, Peter Clarke wrote: > Dear all, > I was trying to rip some sound from a VCD today. I was > hoping to play it in one ALSA application (Kaffeine) and > simultaneously record in another (Rosegarden or Rezound). > But when I tried to launch the recording application, it > said it had no access to the audio. > > I also tried launching Rezound, then Kaffeine. This time, > Kaffeine said it couldn't access the PCM, and it played > without audio. > > Does this mean applications can't share the sound under > ALSA? Or am I missing something? They can share via the alsa dmix plugin. http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php?page=DmixPlugin or if they are jack enabled, via jack. http://jackaudio.org/ > I'm running Gentoo with 2.6.16 kernel, ALSA 1.0.10 (I think > - not quite sure how to check this). cat /proc/asound/version -- Eric Dantan Rzewnicki Apprentice Linux Audio Developer and Mostly Harmless Sysadmin (text below this line mandated by management) Technical Operations Division | Radio Free Asia 2025 M Street, NW | Washington, DC 20036 | 202-530-4900 CONFIDENTIAL COMMUNICATION This e-mail message is intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. Any unauthorized dissemination, distribution, or copying is strictly prohibited. If you receive this transmission in error, please contact network@rfa.org. From linux-stuff at arcor.de Thu May 11 11:54:52 2006 From: linux-stuff at arcor.de (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Frieder_B=FCrzele?=) Date: Thu May 11 11:55:02 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] gentoo proaudio portage overlay In-Reply-To: <44632F20.20308@sbcglobal.net> References: <200605092351.34383.ireneshusband@yahoo.co.uk> <44632F20.20308@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <44635E4C.90008@arcor.de> Hi, I'm the author of the proaudio overlay Tom and me maintain the overlay please report problems directly to the gentoo forums topic: http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-427211.html or send me a mail directly Greetings Frieder Brian Dunn wrote: > Robert Persson wrote: > >> I don't know if the other gentoo users on this list are aware of >> this, but someone who goes by the name of nevermind has created a >> proaudio portage overlay. You can find out about it at >> http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-427211.html , or download a live >> svn snapshot directly from >> http://svnweb.tuxfamily.org/dl.php?repname=proaudio+%28ckpp%29&path=%2F&rev=0&isdir=1 >> . >> >> Overall it is very useful, containing both packages that are missing >> from the main portage tree and more recent versions of existing >> packages. There are several very nice apps I had not heard of before, >> such as aeolus, the pipe organ emulator. >> >> One thing I have found I have needed to do has been to manually >> download some of the tarballs to /usr/portage/distfiles, and then to >> delete some of the digests and manifests please be more specific which downloads fail so I can fix them >> and rebuild them (using "ebuild packagename-1.2.3 manifest digest") >> in order to generate new checksums. In one case (I think it was the >> vst sdk) I had to roll my own tarball in place of the one one of the >> ebuilds was unable to download. There were one or two other ebuild >> tweaks I had to do as well. So not problem free, but very useful >> nonetheless. >> >> Robert In the case of vst-sdk your forced to download it manually because we are not allowed to distribute it (look at its license) I've fixed/changed the the ebuild a bit to point that out > I'm not sure what to do about the lash use flag. it conflicts with > ladcca in the gentoo please read 00-OVERLAY-INFO: http://svnweb.tuxfamily.org/filedetails.php?repname=proaudio+%28ckpp%29&path=%2F00-OVERLAY-INFO > portage tree. that's fine i guess, since i never got ladcca working > (for lack of trying). Also i found myself forced to upgrade gcc from > 3.3 to 3.4, and the revdep-rebuild process choked at almost every > package from the overlay. So i commented it (the overlay) out of > etc/make.conf, and still got complaints. i ended up basically un > installing all of the overlay packages and then commenting out the > overlay and revdep-rebuild, then uncomment it and emerge -uDN world. I > guess this would be better suited for the forums... but i agree that > the overlay is not problem free. > brian From lee at rockingtiger.com Thu May 11 19:40:28 2006 From: lee at rockingtiger.com (Lee A. Azzarello) Date: Thu May 11 19:40:38 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Linux Audio SIP Conference Room! Message-ID: <27153457.1421147390828574.JavaMail.root@mugen.rockingtiger.com> I upgraded Asterisk for another project and it broke unauthenticated SIP calls. I don't really know how to fix it but I'll figure it out. If you know it would be a lot of help. -lee ----- Esben Stien wrote: > "Lee A. Azzarello" writes: > > > lau@ash.97montrose.org > > It gives invalid extension now. > > -- > Esben Stien is b0ef@e s a > http://www. s t n m > irc://irc. b - i . e/%23contact > [sip|iax]: e e > jid:b0ef@ n n From ivalladolidt at terra.es Fri May 12 05:08:20 2006 From: ivalladolidt at terra.es (Ismael Valladolid Torres) Date: Fri May 12 05:08:41 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] gentoo proaudio portage overlay In-Reply-To: <44635E4C.90008@arcor.de> References: <200605092351.34383.ireneshusband@yahoo.co.uk> <44632F20.20308@sbcglobal.net> <44635E4C.90008@arcor.de> Message-ID: <20060512090820.GA1608@spma33> Frieder B?rzele escribe: > I'm the author of the proaudio overlay > Tom and me maintain the overlay > please report problems directly to the gentoo forums topic: > http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-427211.html > or send me a mail directly Is any "press note" for your project available? I just started mantaining a web site devoted to audio and multimedia using open sourced software in spanish. I'd like to translate an as complete as posible description of your project so the spanish audience can start using it! Feel free to add me to any mailing list for announcements of updates to your project, if any exists. Cordially, Ismael -- Ismael Valladolid Torres OpenPGP key ID: 0xDE721AF4 [^[$B$?$S$?$S$9$_$^$;$s^[(B] Jabber ID: ivalladt@jabberes.org http://lamediahostia.blogspot.com =?iso-2022-jp?B?GyJE0hREjAGyhC?= From dsen at homemail.com Fri May 12 07:27:42 2006 From: dsen at homemail.com (D. Sen) Date: Fri May 12 07:29:11 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Recording Level using Audacity and a Multiface card Message-ID: <4464712E.6020502@homemail.com> Just wondering if I am doing things right. Trying to record a 94 dB SPL sinusoid using a B&K microphone connected into the analogue input of an RME multiface card, I see levels at about -37 dB. This is when the hdspmixer is set such the recording level is the most sensitive. Is this about right? This means that I can potentially record very high levels but I am worried about missing out the lower levels. DS From plutek at infinity.net Fri May 12 07:58:03 2006 From: plutek at infinity.net (plutek) Date: Fri May 12 07:58:10 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Recording Level using Audacity and a Multiface card In-Reply-To: <4464712E.6020502@homemail.com> References: <4464712E.6020502@homemail.com> Message-ID: <20060512075803.297c2824@localhost> On Fri, 12 May 2006 21:27:42 +1000 "D. Sen" wrote: > ...microphone connected into the analogue input of an > RME multiface card not good practice; multiface inputs are at line level. you need a microphone preamp between the mic and the multiface. .pltk. From dsen at homemail.com Fri May 12 08:14:41 2006 From: dsen at homemail.com (D. Sen) Date: Fri May 12 08:16:12 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Recording Level using Audacity and a Multiface card In-Reply-To: <20060512075803.297c2824@localhost> References: <4464712E.6020502@homemail.com> <20060512075803.297c2824@localhost> Message-ID: <44647C31.903@homemail.com> plutek wrote: > On Fri, 12 May 2006 21:27:42 +1000 > "D. Sen" wrote: > >> ...microphone connected into the analogue input of an >> RME multiface card > > not good practice; multiface inputs are at line level. > you need a microphone preamp between the mic and the multiface. > There is circuitry between the micrphone and the multiface to ensure line-level outputs. DS > > > .pltk. > > From pinojazz at gmail.com Fri May 12 08:41:26 2006 From: pinojazz at gmail.com (Carlos Pino) Date: Fri May 12 08:42:10 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Hola =?iso-8859-1?q?amigos=2Cm=E1s_m=FAsica____-______Hello_world?= =?iso-8859-1?q?=2Cit=27s_time_for_music_again?= Message-ID: <44648276.1090801@gmail.com> Muchas gracias a _*todos*_ los que pon?is empe?o en la libertad,ah? va mi peque?a aportaci?n a este magn?fico mundo. I want to give a big big *_thank you_* to all that people who make my life easier for making music and "making" freedom,you know who you are. (excuse my english) Ardour,Muse,Qjackctl,Qsynth,Hydrogen,Seq24,Zynaddsubfx,Jamin,Linux,Debian,Musix,Demudi,PlanetCCRMA... grace,obrigado,thank you,tanke,tak,mercy..... http://www.telefonica.net/web2/pinojazz/open_horizon.ogg Saludos. --Carlos From linux-stuff at arcor.de Fri May 12 09:03:43 2006 From: linux-stuff at arcor.de (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Frieder_B=FCrzele?=) Date: Fri May 12 09:06:12 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] gentoo proaudio portage overlay In-Reply-To: <20060512090820.GA1608@spma33> References: <200605092351.34383.ireneshusband@yahoo.co.uk> <44632F20.20308@sbcglobal.net> <44635E4C.90008@arcor.de> <20060512090820.GA1608@spma33> Message-ID: <446487AF.9070402@arcor.de> Ismael Valladolid Torres wrote: > Frieder B?rzele escribe: > >> I'm the author of the proaudio overlay >> Tom and me maintain the overlay >> please report problems directly to the gentoo forums topic: >> http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-427211.html >> or send me a mail directly >> > > Is any "press note" for your project available? > nope, just 00-README and 00-OVERLAY-INFO > I just started mantaining a web site devoted to audio and multimedia > using open sourced software in spanish. I'd like to translate an as > complete as posible description of your project so the spanish > audience can start using it! > > Feel free to add me to any mailing list for announcements of updates > to your project, if any exists. > There is no mailing list available. All you can do is to subscribe to the gentoo-forum thread or regulary check the svn-logs to see what changed eg. with svn --limit 5 log svn://svn.tuxfamily.org/svnroot/ckpp/proaudio > Cordially, Ismael > Frieder From plutek at infinity.net Fri May 12 09:22:25 2006 From: plutek at infinity.net (plutek) Date: Fri May 12 09:22:32 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Recording Level using Audacity and a Multiface card In-Reply-To: <44647C31.903@homemail.com> References: <4464712E.6020502@homemail.com> <20060512075803.297c2824@localhost> <44647C31.903@homemail.com> Message-ID: <20060512092225.5c924c7e@localhost> On Fri, 12 May 2006 22:14:41 +1000 "D. Sen" wrote: > plutek wrote: > > On Fri, 12 May 2006 21:27:42 +1000 > > "D. Sen" wrote: > > > >> ...microphone connected into the analogue input of an > >> RME multiface card > > > > not good practice; multiface inputs are at line level. > > you need a microphone preamp between the mic and the multiface. > > > There is circuitry between the micrphone and the multiface to ensure > line-level outputs. ok... i can only question the design of that circuitry, whatever it is, because i have no trouble getting full digital levels on my multiface when fed by any of my microphones and preamps, from a 94dB acoustic source. .pltk. From bjesus at gmail.com Fri May 12 09:36:06 2006 From: bjesus at gmail.com (Yo'av Moshe) Date: Fri May 12 09:36:14 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Firewire devices and Linux Message-ID: Hello! Me and some of my friends are going to live together for a while in a couple of months. One friend of mine is a musician, and he wants to be be able to record his tunes in our new place. I'm going to bring my PC with me, so we thought he'd buy some recording device and we'll connect it to my computer and will share it. I'm running Linux of course, and he got no problem with it, but after looking for a recording device for a while, it seems like Linux doesn't support most of them. The most appealing ones are those which can be connected via Firewire. They're cheap and functional. I heard about FreeBoB, but it seems like it's an (very) early project, and that I shouldn't count on it. Are there any recording devices like the "Focusrite Saffire", the "Alesis iO-26", the "RME Fireface 400", the "M-Audio Firewire 410", etc, that are around 350$USD and that Linux supports? In the worst case, I can always dual-boot, but I really wanted us to use Linux for the music stuff. Thanks! Yo'av. From paul at linuxaudiosystems.com Fri May 12 09:42:50 2006 From: paul at linuxaudiosystems.com (Paul Davis) Date: Fri May 12 09:42:58 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Firewire devices and Linux In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1147441370.4826.21.camel@localhost.localdomain> > I heard about FreeBoB, but it seems like it's an (very) early project, > and that I shouldn't count on it. > > Are there any recording devices like the "Focusrite Saffire", the > "Alesis iO-26", the "RME Fireface 400", the "M-Audio Firewire 410", > etc, that are around 350$USD and that Linux supports? no. From pieterp at joow.be Fri May 12 10:13:04 2006 From: pieterp at joow.be (Pieter Palmers) Date: Fri May 12 10:13:12 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Firewire devices and Linux In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <446497F0.30508@joow.be> Yo'av Moshe wrote: > I heard about FreeBoB, but it seems like it's an (very) early project, > and that I shouldn't count on it. Don't be misguided by the fact that we only have (pre-)alpha software on our site. The alpha's have become more like beta verions, and we are preparing a first release for the near future. If the sourceforge cvs servers would still be up and running, it would probably be ready. But untill they fix their CVS, we can't access our code and we have to wait. There are still some issues with our native ALSA driver support, but we have a functional jackd backend which should enable you to do whatever you want. If you use the jack2alsa plugin, you can even run ALSA programs pretty decent. I wouldn't say that you can't count on us. > Are there any recording devices like the "Focusrite Saffire", the > "Alesis iO-26", the "RME Fireface 400", the "M-Audio Firewire 410", > etc, that are around 350$USD and that Linux supports? check http://freebob.sourceforge.net/index.php/List_of_Supported_Devices to see what we support. Note that the M-Audio 410 isn't supported ( http://freebob.sourceforge.net/index.php/FAQ#Will_the_M-Audio_410_.2F_1814_be_supported.3F) $350 isn't a big budget though. > In the worst case, I can always dual-boot, but I really wanted us to > use Linux for the music stuff. If you want to use Linux, and you want a firewire device, get one of the devices on our supported device list. They all work on windows too. They give you the best chance of good linux support for the moment. Greets, Pieter Palmers FreeBob developer From paul at linuxaudiosystems.com Fri May 12 10:15:03 2006 From: paul at linuxaudiosystems.com (Paul Davis) Date: Fri May 12 10:15:11 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Firewire devices and Linux In-Reply-To: <1147441370.4826.21.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1147441370.4826.21.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1147443303.4826.25.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Fri, 2006-05-12 at 09:42 -0400, Paul Davis wrote: > > I heard about FreeBoB, but it seems like it's an (very) early project, > > and that I shouldn't count on it. > > > > Are there any recording devices like the "Focusrite Saffire", the > > "Alesis iO-26", the "RME Fireface 400", the "M-Audio Firewire 410", > > etc, that are around 350$USD and that Linux supports? > > no. to be clear, they will work with freebob (except the RME fireface, which will never work on linux unless RME changes its mind about drivers for it). --p From tech at glastonburymusic.org.uk Fri May 12 10:20:25 2006 From: tech at glastonburymusic.org.uk (tim hall) Date: Fri May 12 10:20:34 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Firewire devices and Linux In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200605121520.25771.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> On Friday 12 May 2006 14:36, Yo'av Moshe was like: > Are there any recording devices like the "Focusrite Saffire", the > "Alesis iO-26", the "RME Fireface 400", the "M-Audio Firewire 410", > etc, that are around 350$USD and that Linux supports? You are looking in exactly the right places. These are the products that should support Linux. Various of us have spoken to the manufacturers of these devices at great length. There is no lack of will from the Linux end to support these devices, however they seem to be still unwilling to open up their specifications to our developers. Check out the non-firewire devices which are available from these manufacturers here: http://www.alsa-project.org/alsa-doc/ -- cheers, tim hall http://glastonburymusic.org.uk/tim We are the people We've been waiting for. From rncbc at rncbc.org Fri May 12 10:32:38 2006 From: rncbc at rncbc.org (Rui Nuno Capela) Date: Fri May 12 10:32:48 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Hola =?ISO-8859-1?Q?amigos=2Cm=E1s_m=FA?= =?ISO-8859-1?Q?sica____-______Hello_world=2Cit=27s?= =?ISO-8859-1?Q?_time_for_music_again?= In-Reply-To: <44648276.1090801@gmail.com> References: <44648276.1090801@gmail.com> Message-ID: <44649C86.7030209@rncbc.org> Carlos Pino wrote: > Muchas gracias a _*todos*_ los que pon?is empe?o en la libertad,ah? va > mi peque?a aportaci?n a este magn?fico mundo. > > I want to give a big big *_thank you_* to all that people who make my > life easier for making music and "making" freedom,you know who you are. > (excuse my english) > > Ardour,Muse,Qjackctl,Qsynth,Hydrogen,Seq24,Zynaddsubfx,Jamin,Linux,Debian,Musix,Demudi,PlanetCCRMA... > > > grace,obrigado,thank you,tanke,tak,mercy..... > > > > http://www.telefonica.net/web2/pinojazz/open_horizon.ogg > Damn you, Carlos -- envy is killing me smoothly ;) Just thinking that you're using some of my code (yet again:) just makes it all worth of my time :P I really love your style. When's that album coming out? -- rncbc aka Rui Nuno Capela rncbc@rncbc.org From jayv at synth.net Fri May 12 10:52:21 2006 From: jayv at synth.net (Jay Vaughan) Date: Fri May 12 10:53:13 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Firewire devices and Linux In-Reply-To: <446497F0.30508@joow.be> References: <446497F0.30508@joow.be> Message-ID: At 16:13 +0200 12/5/06, Pieter Palmers wrote: >http://freebob.sourceforge.net/index.php/List_of_Supported_Devices >to see what we support. hey, it looks like the whole audio setup for my linux rig just got a heck of a lot easier .. i just confirmed that this works great on my MEPIS laptop (Dell) and Presonus FirePOD (which i love) firewire audio interface, so this is really great news for me! well done, freeBob'ers! (PS Yo'av: the firepod is a lovely audio interface, btw .. it may not be in the 350bux budget, but maybe it is, if you shop around, affordable after all..) -- ; Jay Vaughan From pw_lists at slinkp.com Fri May 12 11:54:38 2006 From: pw_lists at slinkp.com (Paul Winkler) Date: Fri May 12 11:52:22 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Firewire devices and Linux In-Reply-To: <446497F0.30508@joow.be> References: <446497F0.30508@joow.be> Message-ID: <20060512155438.GB8670@slinkp.com> On Fri, May 12, 2006 at 04:13:04PM +0200, Pieter Palmers wrote: > check http://freebob.sourceforge.net/index.php/List_of_Supported_Devices > to see what we support. FYI, while browsing I noticed a couple stale links there, and I can't seem to create an account to fix the page. So here's the new links: Edirol FA-101 http://www.rolandus.com/products/productdetails.aspx?ObjectId=702&ParentId=114 Edirol FA-66 http://www.rolandus.com/products/productdetails.aspx?ObjectId=731&ParentId=114 -- Paul Winkler http://www.slinkp.com From pw_lists at slinkp.com Fri May 12 11:55:48 2006 From: pw_lists at slinkp.com (Paul Winkler) Date: Fri May 12 11:54:12 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Firewire devices and Linux In-Reply-To: References: <446497F0.30508@joow.be> Message-ID: <20060512155548.GC8670@slinkp.com> On Fri, May 12, 2006 at 04:52:21PM +0200, Jay Vaughan wrote: > At 16:13 +0200 12/5/06, Pieter Palmers wrote: > >http://freebob.sourceforge.net/index.php/List_of_Supported_Devices > >to see what we support. > > hey, it looks like the whole audio setup for my linux rig just got a > heck of a lot easier .. i just confirmed that this works great on my > MEPIS laptop (Dell) and Presonus FirePOD (which i love) firewire > audio interface, so this is really great news for me! well done, > freeBob'ers! > > (PS Yo'av: the firepod is a lovely audio interface, btw .. it may not > be in the 350bux budget, but maybe it is, if you shop around, > affordable after all..) Looks to be about $600 US, not bad for the feature set (8 mic inputs). I might pick up one of these. Jay, what kind of latency are you getting with it? -- Paul Winkler http://www.slinkp.com From acominu at tiscali.it Fri May 12 11:54:55 2006 From: acominu at tiscali.it (Alessandro Cominu) Date: Fri May 12 11:54:22 2006 Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Re:_[linux-audio-user]_Hola_amigos,m=E1s_m=FAsica?= =?ISO-8859-1?Q?____-______Hello_world,it's_time_for_music_again?= In-Reply-To: <44648276.1090801@gmail.com> References: <44648276.1090801@gmail.com> Message-ID: <846D3CED-BE3B-4E15-A926-B0803CE28F61@tiscali.it> Il giorno 12/mag/06, alle ore 14:41, Carlos Pino ha scritto: > Muchas gracias a _*todos*_ los que pon?is empe?o en la > libertad,ah? va mi peque?a aportaci?n a este magn?fico mundo. > > I want to give a big big *_thank you_* to all that people who make > my life easier for making music and "making" freedom,you know who > you are. (excuse my english) > > Ardour,Muse,Qjackctl,Qsynth,Hydrogen,Seq24,Zynaddsubfx,Jamin,Linux,Deb > ian,Musix,Demudi,PlanetCCRMA... > grace,obrigado,thank you,tanke,tak,mercy..... wow :) nice songs, I really like it! how about releasing the "sources"? I'm really interested in h2song files ;-) -- comix From gimpel at sonnenkinder.org Fri May 12 11:53:20 2006 From: gimpel at sonnenkinder.org (Thomas Kuther) Date: Fri May 12 11:54:37 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] rosegarden, chionic and mixxx hardlock my box Message-ID: <20060512175320.0be3ddca@SiRiUS.home> Hi people! Just tried mixxx-1.5.0-beta1 and unfortunately i have to count it to my list of "box killers". This list currently contains * rosegarden * chionic * mixxx Interestingly those are all QT apps. But QT works fine here, for example MusE just works like a charm. And now im interested in finding out what causes those three apps to completely hardlock my system. And they _really_ HARDlock it, in a way that the kernel doesn't even react on a sysrq+s/u/b call anymore. no keyboard, no mouse, nothing in any logs.. just dead. Crappy hardware also is not the cause i guess, as card 1 is a M-Audio Audiophile 2496, and card 2 is a ESI Juli@ - and as said apps like MusE, LMMS and a big number of other apps work just fine. I tested it on both cards, in case of rosegarden with both, direct ALSA and jack output, and it hardlocks the system shortly after the splash is displayed. I have no idea what could be the cause because i can't get a trace or anything and have to hard-reset the box. I would be very pleased if anyone has an idea where to start with debugging that. Thanks in advance Tom From gimpel at sonnenkinder.org Fri May 12 12:03:29 2006 From: gimpel at sonnenkinder.org (Thomas Kuther) Date: Fri May 12 12:03:41 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] rosegarden, chionic and mixxx hardlock my box In-Reply-To: <20060512175320.0be3ddca@SiRiUS.home> References: <20060512175320.0be3ddca@SiRiUS.home> Message-ID: <20060512180329.739fd4e5@SiRiUS.home> On Fri, 12 May 2006 17:53:20 +0200 Thomas Kuther wrote: > Hi people! > > Just tried mixxx-1.5.0-beta1 and unfortunately i have to count it to > my list of "box killers". This list currently contains > * rosegarden > * chionic > * mixxx > > Interestingly those are all QT apps. But QT works fine here, for > example MusE just works like a charm. > And now im interested in finding out what causes those three apps to > completely hardlock my system. And they _really_ HARDlock it, in a way > that the kernel doesn't even react on a sysrq+s/u/b call anymore. no > keyboard, no mouse, nothing in any logs.. just dead. > > Crappy hardware also is not the cause i guess, as card 1 is a M-Audio > Audiophile 2496, and card 2 is a ESI Juli@ - and as said apps like > MusE, LMMS and a big number of other apps work just fine. > > I tested it on both cards, in case of rosegarden with both, direct > ALSA and jack output, and it hardlocks the system shortly after the > splash is displayed. I have no idea what could be the cause because i > can't get a trace or anything and have to hard-reset the box. > > I would be very pleased if anyone has an idea where to start with > debugging that. > > Thanks in advance > Tom > Ok.. 5 mins after wrinting the mail another guy with the same problem told me that it is not the kernel that hardlocks, but it's X that completely freezes. He was able to remotely login, kill & restart X and all was fine again. I tried that too from flatmates notebook and indeed it is X that dies... ..one step closer.. but still: searching for the reason why. From pcoccoli at gmail.com Fri May 12 12:23:17 2006 From: pcoccoli at gmail.com (Paul Coccoli) Date: Fri May 12 12:23:25 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] rosegarden, chionic and mixxx hardlock my box In-Reply-To: <20060512180329.739fd4e5@SiRiUS.home> References: <20060512175320.0be3ddca@SiRiUS.home> <20060512180329.739fd4e5@SiRiUS.home> Message-ID: <8d27a0610605120923h5807253eree8d1d15a15a8f79@mail.gmail.com> On 5/12/06, Thomas Kuther wrote: > Ok.. 5 mins after wrinting the mail another guy with the same problem > told me that it is not the kernel that hardlocks, but it's X that > completely freezes. He was able to remotely login, kill & restart X and > all was fine again. > > I tried that too from flatmates notebook and indeed it is X that dies... > ..one step closer.. but still: searching for the reason why. > What video card and driver are you using? From gimpel at sonnenkinder.org Fri May 12 12:30:37 2006 From: gimpel at sonnenkinder.org (Thomas Kuther) Date: Fri May 12 12:30:46 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] rosegarden, chionic and mixxx hardlock my box In-Reply-To: <8d27a0610605120923h5807253eree8d1d15a15a8f79@mail.gmail.com> References: <20060512175320.0be3ddca@SiRiUS.home> <20060512180329.739fd4e5@SiRiUS.home> <8d27a0610605120923h5807253eree8d1d15a15a8f79@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20060512183037.30454094@SiRiUS.home> On Fri, 12 May 2006 12:23:17 -0400 "Paul Coccoli" wrote: > On 5/12/06, Thomas Kuther wrote: > > Ok.. 5 mins after wrinting the mail another guy with the same > > problem told me that it is not the kernel that hardlocks, but it's > > X that completely freezes. He was able to remotely login, kill & > > restart X and all was fine again. > > > > I tried that too from flatmates notebook and indeed it is X that > > dies... ..one step closer.. but still: searching for the reason why. > > > > What video card and driver are you using? > It's a nvidia FX5200 using nvidia's proprietary drivers on Xorg7 modular atm.. but in case of rosegarden i have that prob for almost a year already From pieterp at joow.be Fri May 12 12:32:01 2006 From: pieterp at joow.be (Pieter Palmers) Date: Fri May 12 12:32:16 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Firewire devices and Linux In-Reply-To: <20060512155548.GC8670@slinkp.com> References: <446497F0.30508@joow.be> <20060512155548.GC8670@slinkp.com> Message-ID: <4464B881.4000800@joow.be> Paul Winkler wrote: > On Fri, May 12, 2006 at 04:52:21PM +0200, Jay Vaughan wrote: > >>At 16:13 +0200 12/5/06, Pieter Palmers wrote: >> >>>http://freebob.sourceforge.net/index.php/List_of_Supported_Devices >>>to see what we support. >> >>hey, it looks like the whole audio setup for my linux rig just got a >>heck of a lot easier .. i just confirmed that this works great on my >>MEPIS laptop (Dell) and Presonus FirePOD (which i love) firewire >>audio interface, so this is really great news for me! well done, >>freeBob'ers! >> >>(PS Yo'av: the firepod is a lovely audio interface, btw .. it may not >>be in the 350bux budget, but maybe it is, if you shop around, >>affordable after all..) > > > Looks to be about $600 US, not bad for the feature set > (8 mic inputs). > > I might pick up one of these. Jay, what kind of latency are you getting > with it? > The current freebob code + recent firmware should give you around 350frames of latency at 44100/48000 (about 7ms). Round trip including AD / DA, measured using jdelay. Pieter From gimpel at sonnenkinder.org Fri May 12 12:38:36 2006 From: gimpel at sonnenkinder.org (Thomas Kuther) Date: Fri May 12 12:38:47 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Rosegarden4 Freezes my machine, needtosystem reset. In-Reply-To: <3244092.post@talk.nabble.com> References: <3178614.post@talk.nabble.com> <1141215413.10456.3.camel@yo-machine> <004a01c63d59$54e56020$0501a8c0@lappie> <1141237027.11101.7.camel@yo-machine> <004c01c63d66$ae45b400$0501a8c0@lappie> <200603012043.34089.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> <200603012139.49633.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> <009a01c63ee9$d50fea90$0501a8c0@lappie> <200603032102.59012.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> <3244092.post@talk.nabble.com> Message-ID: <20060512183836.1f959986@SiRiUS.home> On Sat, 4 Mar 2006 15:57:19 -0800 (PST) baldobe wrote: > > OK problem solved by removing ESI Julia Pro Soundcard and inserting > ESI Julia pro. > > Rosegarden now works in all my distros. > > Lets close this topic now and move on to the next problem. > > Many thanks to everyone that helped. > > Bal Could you please explain in more detail what you mean with removing ESI Juli@ and inserting it again (as reading it like that sounds a bit like nonsens) I experience the same problem with rosegarden, but also on a M-Audio device. Anyways if it has to do with the devices i would be pleased to get it working with the Juliette at least. Greets, Tom From petespin at att.net Fri May 12 12:44:58 2006 From: petespin at att.net (Peter Finnegan) Date: Fri May 12 12:44:09 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Firewire devices and Linux In-Reply-To: References: <446497F0.30508@joow.be> Message-ID: <4464BB8A.8000201@att.net> I use the presonus firebox, which can be found for around $300, and it works great with freebob. Be sure to check out Pieter's instructions for installing, they work great! http://freebob.sourceforge.net/index.php/Compiling_from_CVS_HOWTO Jay Vaughan wrote: > At 16:13 +0200 12/5/06, Pieter Palmers wrote: >> http://freebob.sourceforge.net/index.php/List_of_Supported_Devices >> to see what we support. > > hey, it looks like the whole audio setup for my linux rig just got a > heck of a lot easier .. i just confirmed that this works great on my > MEPIS laptop (Dell) and Presonus FirePOD (which i love) firewire audio > interface, so this is really great news for me! well done, freeBob'ers! > > (PS Yo'av: the firepod is a lovely audio interface, btw .. it may not be > in the 350bux budget, but maybe it is, if you shop around, affordable > after all..) > From pieterp at joow.be Fri May 12 12:48:06 2006 From: pieterp at joow.be (Pieter Palmers) Date: Fri May 12 12:49:26 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Firewire devices and Linux In-Reply-To: <1147443303.4826.25.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1147441370.4826.21.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1147443303.4826.25.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <4464BC46.3030702@joow.be> Paul Davis wrote: > On Fri, 2006-05-12 at 09:42 -0400, Paul Davis wrote: > >>>I heard about FreeBoB, but it seems like it's an (very) early project, >>>and that I shouldn't count on it. >>> >>>Are there any recording devices like the "Focusrite Saffire", the >>>"Alesis iO-26", the "RME Fireface 400", the "M-Audio Firewire 410", >>>etc, that are around 350$USD and that Linux supports? >> >>no. > > > to be clear, they will work with freebob (except the RME fireface, which > will never work on linux unless RME changes its mind about drivers for > it). To be really clear: "... to be clear, they will work with [future versions of] freebob ..." There are plans to include support for more firewire devices into freebob, but currently only the devices based on the BridgeCo DM1000 & DM1500 are supported. And not even all of these due to some excessive customisation of the reference firmware by some device manufacturers (most notably M-Audio for the 410 and the 1418). Currently there are two other chipsets/solutions that are planned to be supported: - Metric Halo devices (Mobile I/O 2882 & Mobile I/O ULN-2) - Devices based on the DICE-II chipset, as far as the actual device manufactureres cooperate. According to my information, almost all current firewire interfaces use either a BridgeCo chipset or a DICE-II chipset. Having support for these two majors, and adding some smaller full-custom devices (like the Metric Halo's) will have us covering a lot of devices. In the case of full custom devices, like the Metric Halo or the RME Fireface, support will be completely dependant on the stance of the device manufacturer. So no RME support. Nor any MOTU support. To summarize: if you want to buy a FW interface, go ahead and buy one of the supported ones. They do work on linux. Some more advanced features are missing, but that's only a matter of time. Pieter From pieterp at joow.be Fri May 12 12:51:32 2006 From: pieterp at joow.be (Pieter Palmers) Date: Fri May 12 12:51:30 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Firewire devices and Linux In-Reply-To: <4464BB8A.8000201@att.net> References: <446497F0.30508@joow.be> <4464BB8A.8000201@att.net> Message-ID: <4464BD14.1000103@joow.be> Peter Finnegan wrote: > I use the presonus firebox, which can be found for around $300, and it > works great with freebob. Be sure to check out Pieter's instructions > for installing, they work great! > > http://freebob.sourceforge.net/index.php/Compiling_from_CVS_HOWTO > Unless you are a debian/ubuntu user. If someone has the right way to perform the steps indicated on such a system, please help us out. I am running Fedora+PlanetCCRMA, and apparently it is pretty different. > Jay Vaughan wrote: > >> At 16:13 +0200 12/5/06, Pieter Palmers wrote: >> >>> http://freebob.sourceforge.net/index.php/List_of_Supported_Devices >>> to see what we support. >> >> >> hey, it looks like the whole audio setup for my linux rig just got a >> heck of a lot easier .. i just confirmed that this works great on my >> MEPIS laptop (Dell) and Presonus FirePOD (which i love) firewire audio >> interface, so this is really great news for me! well done, freeBob'ers! >> >> (PS Yo'av: the firepod is a lovely audio interface, btw .. it may not >> be in the 350bux budget, but maybe it is, if you shop around, >> affordable after all..) >> From pw_lists at slinkp.com Fri May 12 12:56:07 2006 From: pw_lists at slinkp.com (Paul Winkler) Date: Fri May 12 12:56:27 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Firewire devices and Linux In-Reply-To: <4464B881.4000800@joow.be> References: <446497F0.30508@joow.be> <20060512155548.GC8670@slinkp.com> <4464B881.4000800@joow.be> Message-ID: <20060512165607.GD8670@slinkp.com> On Fri, May 12, 2006 at 06:32:01PM +0200, Pieter Palmers wrote: > Paul Winkler wrote: > > (re. presonus Firepod latency)... what kind of latency are you getting > >with it? > > > > The current freebob code + recent firmware should give you around > 350frames of latency at 44100/48000 (about 7ms). Round trip including AD > / DA, measured using jdelay. Not bad at all! I haven't measured with jdelay, but if I understand correctly, round-trip latency is d + (p + p*n)/sr, where p is the -p arg to the jackd backend, n is the -n argument, sr is the sampling rate, and d is the latency introduced by DA and AD conversions. Assuming d is about 1-2 ms, that means you're running with something like jackd -d alsa ... -p 64 -n 3 or -p 64 -n 2 ? If so, that's really pretty nice, I haven't done any better on my delta 66 (but I haven't tried aggressively to go lower). I can sort of run at -p 32 -n 3 (3ms + d) but I get dropouts. -- Paul Winkler http://www.slinkp.com From v2 at iki.fi Fri May 12 12:57:56 2006 From: v2 at iki.fi (Sampo Savolainen) Date: Fri May 12 12:58:30 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Recording Level using Audacity and a Multiface card In-Reply-To: <4464712E.6020502@homemail.com> References: <4464712E.6020502@homemail.com> Message-ID: <1147453076.7867.4.camel@puppeli> On Fri, 2006-05-12 at 21:27 +1000, D. Sen wrote: > Just wondering if I am doing things right. Trying to record a 94 dB SPL > sinusoid using a B&K microphone connected into the analogue input of an > RME multiface card, I see levels at about -37 dB. This is when the > hdspmixer is set such the recording level is the most sensitive. > > Is this about right? This means that I can potentially record very high > levels but I am worried about missing out the lower levels. So you don't have a microphone preamp? The line inputs of your multiface are meant for line level inputs. A microphone produces very low output compared to line level, that is why microphone pre-amplifiers are used. If you don't have one, you need one. Trust me. :) -- Sampo Savolainen From dsen at homemail.com Fri May 12 14:16:28 2006 From: dsen at homemail.com (D. Sen) Date: Fri May 12 14:18:07 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Recording Level using Audacity and a Multiface card In-Reply-To: <1147453076.7867.4.camel@puppeli> References: <4464712E.6020502@homemail.com> <1147453076.7867.4.camel@puppeli> Message-ID: <4464D0FC.7020901@homemail.com> This is what is being used between the microphone and the multiface: http://www.bksv.com/pdf/4416B.pdf This is providing line-level output to the multiface. DS Sampo Savolainen wrote: > On Fri, 2006-05-12 at 21:27 +1000, D. Sen wrote: >> Just wondering if I am doing things right. Trying to record a 94 dB SPL >> sinusoid using a B&K microphone connected into the analogue input of an >> RME multiface card, I see levels at about -37 dB. This is when the >> hdspmixer is set such the recording level is the most sensitive. >> >> Is this about right? This means that I can potentially record very high >> levels but I am worried about missing out the lower levels. > > So you don't have a microphone preamp? The line inputs of your multiface > are meant for line level inputs. A microphone produces very low output > compared to line level, that is why microphone pre-amplifiers are used. > > If you don't have one, you need one. Trust me. :) > From qb at f2s.com Fri May 12 15:13:18 2006 From: qb at f2s.com (Q) Date: Fri May 12 15:13:28 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Denormal problems with some LADSPA plugins Message-ID: <4464DE4E.1000900@f2s.com> Hi everyone I'm having denormal problems with some LADSPA plugins, mainly the Triple Band Parametric with Shelves, Plate Reverb and Glame High Pass filter (which I started to use to replace that function in the Parametric). They are really useful plugins but after a short space of time an instance of one of them will start racking up thousands of Xruns and processor usage climbs inexorably towards 100%. I occasionally had problems before but it seems a lot worse since I moved to DeMuDi 1.3 and the later version of Ardour that ships with it, but it's probably just a case of selective memory. Sampo suggested on the Ardour forum that I should try compiling the SWH plugins using SSE instructions -- thanks for that. I got the latest tar of the plugs and compiled them using those instructions but unfortunately it hasn't cured the problem. Probably I did something wrong -- I can't say I fully understood the options in the Readme. Has anyone any advice on how to cure this problem, or any ideas where I might have gone wrong compiling with SSE instructions? Preferably in words of one syllable or fewer ;-) I'm using a Pentium 4 if that makes any difference to anything. Thanks in advance, qb From juan at nixbox.com.ar Fri May 12 15:45:46 2006 From: juan at nixbox.com.ar (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Juan_Marcelo_Rodr=EDguez?=) Date: Fri May 12 15:41:37 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Fst and Wine problem Message-ID: <4464E5EA.8070509@nixbox.com.ar> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hello, I'm trying to work with FST to load some VST instruments. The GUI starts OK, and if I don't change the preset, or If I don't modify any key of the virtual synth in case, it works. But, for example, with Crystal, a widely-know working Synth, I can start the synth, and also I can setup connections through qjackctl, and it works nice; but when I try to change the preset it fails, as all the other plugins later or sonnner do, the error message is: $ fst Crystal.dll gui_thread_id = 10 The program 'fst.exe.so' received an X Window System error. This probably reflects a bug in the program. The error was 'RenderBadPicture (invalid Picture parameter)'. (Details: serial 8753 error_code 174 request_code 152 minor_code 7) (Note to programmers: normally, X errors are reported asynchronously; that is, you will receive the error a while after causing it. To debug your program, run it with the --sync command line option to change this behavior. You can then get a meaningful backtrace from your debugger if you break on the gdk_x_error() function.) Sometimes this error "breaks" the environment and I need to restart all the apps to get it working again. I talk with the one of the FST developers, and he suggested me that is a Wine problem. I searched the net and I didn't find too much information about. Any ideas are welcome. Also If it's OffTopic, I'm going to send this to the Wine list, but Imho it's more suitable to talk with people from this list about this. I'm running kernel 2.6.16 patched rt, Jackd 0.100.0, Wine CVS four days old, and fst-1.7 with vstsdk 2.3. Thanks in advance, Juan. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFEZOXpwWB8GXdhYbcRAgvXAJ9ZEo0hKRfInwDPlBs6n/RXAkujSACfZIde oNZg7Iv9KNos5oVjvJqKiOk= =cfAN -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From pw_lists at slinkp.com Fri May 12 15:45:36 2006 From: pw_lists at slinkp.com (Paul Winkler) Date: Fri May 12 15:45:46 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Recording Level using Audacity and a Multiface card In-Reply-To: <4464D0FC.7020901@homemail.com> References: <4464712E.6020502@homemail.com> <1147453076.7867.4.camel@puppeli> <4464D0FC.7020901@homemail.com> Message-ID: <20060512194536.GG8670@slinkp.com> On Sat, May 13, 2006 at 04:16:28AM +1000, D. Sen wrote: > This is what is being used between the microphone and the multiface: > > http://www.bksv.com/pdf/4416B.pdf > > This is providing line-level output to the multiface. What you have there isn't really a microphone preamp. Max gain of 10 isn't very much at all, it's what, 20 dB? Commercial mic preamps typically have at least 60 dB of gain available. -- Paul Winkler http://www.slinkp.com From seablaede at gmail.com Fri May 12 16:01:01 2006 From: seablaede at gmail.com (Thomas Vecchione) Date: Fri May 12 15:57:12 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: -rt IRQ handler priorities In-Reply-To: <1147196943.9116.144.camel@mindpipe> References: <1146883567.5417.8.camel@localhost> <20060509004750.3f9556ca@mango.fruits> <1147129704.9116.21.camel@mindpipe> <200605090721.06442.woho@woho.de> <4460D52A.8000802@gmail.com> <1147196943.9116.144.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <4464E97D.5090503@gmail.com> >>> Has anyone got a working x86_64 RT system? I can't boot rt kernels >>> > > here, hangs after loading the schedulers. >> > >> > Gentoo Kernel, patched with Ingo's patch, compiled for AMD Opteron(64 >> > Bit) here if that is what you are looking for. Kernel is where my >> > knowledge is lacking though. > > Need more info so we can compare working and non working configs. After > talking to some AMD64 users at LAC it seems that it's possible to create > a config that compiles but won't boot. > > Can you both post your kernel .config? > > Lee > > Took a couple days sorry... see if this is what you are looking for? Also I wont complain about suggestions to improve performance, this machine is getting dedicated to audio and 3D work now I think, will boot straight up into Ardour ready to roll. http://linuxaudio.leviathan-avc.com/files/.config Seablade From dsen at homemail.com Fri May 12 16:00:52 2006 From: dsen at homemail.com (D. Sen) Date: Fri May 12 16:02:27 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Recording Level using Audacity and a Multiface card In-Reply-To: <20060512194536.GG8670@slinkp.com> References: <4464712E.6020502@homemail.com> <1147453076.7867.4.camel@puppeli> <4464D0FC.7020901@homemail.com> <20060512194536.GG8670@slinkp.com> Message-ID: <4464E974.1080809@homemail.com> Look at the specs. The output is definitely line-level. The function of a pre-amp is to produce line-level output and this does it. It is sold by B&K and they swear by it. DS Paul Winkler wrote: > On Sat, May 13, 2006 at 04:16:28AM +1000, D. Sen wrote: >> This is what is being used between the microphone and the multiface: >> >> http://www.bksv.com/pdf/4416B.pdf >> >> This is providing line-level output to the multiface. > > What you have there isn't really a microphone preamp. Max gain of 10 > isn't very much at all, it's what, 20 dB? > > Commercial mic preamps typically have at least 60 dB of gain available. > From dsen at homemail.com Fri May 12 16:03:19 2006 From: dsen at homemail.com (D. Sen) Date: Fri May 12 16:04:47 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Recording Level using Audacity and a Multiface card In-Reply-To: <20060512194536.GG8670@slinkp.com> References: <4464712E.6020502@homemail.com> <1147453076.7867.4.camel@puppeli> <4464D0FC.7020901@homemail.com> <20060512194536.GG8670@slinkp.com> Message-ID: <4464EA07.9060104@homemail.com> Besides all of that, we have used the same setup, into a FOSTEX digital recorder and DAT recorders and it works flawlessly. Paul Winkler wrote: > On Sat, May 13, 2006 at 04:16:28AM +1000, D. Sen wrote: >> This is what is being used between the microphone and the multiface: >> >> http://www.bksv.com/pdf/4416B.pdf >> >> This is providing line-level output to the multiface. > > What you have there isn't really a microphone preamp. Max gain of 10 > isn't very much at all, it's what, 20 dB? > > Commercial mic preamps typically have at least 60 dB of gain available. > From rlrevell at joe-job.com Fri May 12 16:15:36 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Fri May 12 16:15:43 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: -rt IRQ handler priorities In-Reply-To: <4464E97D.5090503@gmail.com> References: <1146883567.5417.8.camel@localhost> <20060509004750.3f9556ca@mango.fruits> <1147129704.9116.21.camel@mindpipe> <200605090721.06442.woho@woho.de> <4460D52A.8000802@gmail.com> <1147196943.9116.144.camel@mindpipe> <4464E97D.5090503@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1147464937.6535.195.camel@mindpipe> On Fri, 2006-05-12 at 16:01 -0400, Thomas Vecchione wrote: > >>> Has anyone got a working x86_64 RT system? I can't boot rt kernels > >>> > > here, hangs after loading the schedulers. > >> > > >> > Gentoo Kernel, patched with Ingo's patch, compiled for AMD Opteron(64 > >> > Bit) here if that is what you are looking for. Kernel is where my > >> > knowledge is lacking though. > > > > Need more info so we can compare working and non working configs. After > > talking to some AMD64 users at LAC it seems that it's possible to create > > a config that compiles but won't boot. > > > > Can you both post your kernel .config? > > > > Lee > > > > > > Took a couple days sorry... see if this is what you are looking for? > Also I wont complain about suggestions to improve performance, this > machine is getting dedicated to audio and 3D work now I think, will boot > straight up into Ardour ready to roll. > > http://linuxaudio.leviathan-avc.com/files/.config Sorry I lost track of the thread (please don't trim the '$PERSON said...' line!). Is this the config that works or hangs after loading the schedulers? Lee From rlrevell at joe-job.com Fri May 12 16:16:55 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Fri May 12 16:17:04 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] rosegarden, chionic and mixxx hardlock my box In-Reply-To: <20060512183037.30454094@SiRiUS.home> References: <20060512175320.0be3ddca@SiRiUS.home> <20060512180329.739fd4e5@SiRiUS.home> <8d27a0610605120923h5807253eree8d1d15a15a8f79@mail.gmail.com> <20060512183037.30454094@SiRiUS.home> Message-ID: <1147465016.6535.197.camel@mindpipe> On Fri, 2006-05-12 at 18:30 +0200, Thomas Kuther wrote: > It's a nvidia FX5200 using nvidia's proprietary drivers on Xorg7 > modular atm.. but in case of rosegarden i have that prob for almost a > year already Can you reproduce the problem without the nvidia binary driver loaded? The nvidia driver + -rt kernel is a completely unsupported combo and I'm not surprised if it blows up. Lee From nando at ccrma.Stanford.EDU Fri May 12 16:28:23 2006 From: nando at ccrma.Stanford.EDU (Fernando Lopez-Lezcano) Date: Fri May 12 16:28:32 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Recording Level using Audacity and a Multiface card In-Reply-To: <4464E974.1080809@homemail.com> References: <4464712E.6020502@homemail.com> <1147453076.7867.4.camel@puppeli> <4464D0FC.7020901@homemail.com> <20060512194536.GG8670@slinkp.com> <4464E974.1080809@homemail.com> Message-ID: <1147465703.2752.28.camel@cmn3.stanford.edu> On Sat, 2006-05-13 at 06:00 +1000, D. Sen wrote: > Look at the specs. The output is definitely line-level. The function of > a pre-amp is to produce line-level output and this does it. Not really. Please compare to the specs of a real mic preamp, please, for example: http://www.rme-audio.com/english/micpreamps/quadmic.htm (which would be an appropriate companion to the multiface) In particular: "Amplification can be set between 10 and 60 dB". 60dB of gain expressed as a voltage ratio would be amplifying the signal by 1000. I would imagine you would need to use 40 to 60dB to amplify a mic to line level so you are at least a factor of 10 below what would be needed. > It is sold by B&K and they swear by it. (they can swear all they want but that's not gonna make it amplify the signal more :-) The key here (as outlined before in the thread) is gain. This signal conditioner's gain is too low (probably by a factor of at least 10) to act as a mic preamp _unless_ your line input has additional gain you can dial in (which is probably why you can use it with other equipment). -- Fernando > Paul Winkler wrote: > > On Sat, May 13, 2006 at 04:16:28AM +1000, D. Sen wrote: > >> This is what is being used between the microphone and the multiface: > >> > >> http://www.bksv.com/pdf/4416B.pdf > >> > >> This is providing line-level output to the multiface. > > > > What you have there isn't really a microphone preamp. Max gain of 10 > > isn't very much at all, it's what, 20 dB? > > > > Commercial mic preamps typically have at least 60 dB of gain available. > > From v2 at iki.fi Fri May 12 16:28:26 2006 From: v2 at iki.fi (Sampo Savolainen) Date: Fri May 12 16:29:47 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Denormal problems with some LADSPA plugins In-Reply-To: <4464DE4E.1000900@f2s.com> References: <4464DE4E.1000900@f2s.com> Message-ID: <1147465706.7867.12.camel@puppeli> On Fri, 2006-05-12 at 20:13 +0100, Q wrote: > Sampo suggested on the Ardour forum that I should try compiling the SWH > plugins using SSE instructions -- thanks for that. I got the latest tar > of the plugs and compiled them using those instructions but > unfortunately it hasn't cured the problem. Probably I did something > wrong -- I can't say I fully understood the options in the Readme. Sorry to hear you're still having problems. Quick guide to compile the plugins (assuming your setup is pretty standard, which it is, if you haven't done something really weird). tar xf swh-plugins-[version].tar.bz2 cd swh-plugins-[version]/ ./configure --prefix=/usr --enable-sse make su [enter your root password] make install exit [the exit command drops out of the super user shell] Then start ardour and try again. Swh's plugins include the "Triple band parametric with shelves" and the glame butterworth filters, so you should see if doing this will make these plugin work better. Recompiling & installing swh plugins will not change how the plate reverb you are using, as it's not part of swh plugins (it's part of the caps set, most likely). -- Sampo Savolainen From pw_lists at slinkp.com Fri May 12 16:33:18 2006 From: pw_lists at slinkp.com (Paul Winkler) Date: Fri May 12 16:32:56 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Recording Level using Audacity and a Multiface card In-Reply-To: <4464E974.1080809@homemail.com> References: <4464712E.6020502@homemail.com> <1147453076.7867.4.camel@puppeli> <4464D0FC.7020901@homemail.com> <20060512194536.GG8670@slinkp.com> <4464E974.1080809@homemail.com> Message-ID: <20060512203318.GA26068@slinkp.com> On Sat, May 13, 2006 at 06:00:52AM +1000, D. Sen wrote: > Look at the specs. The output is definitely line-level. I did look at the specs! Maybe you posted the wrong link? What I'm looking at has nothing in common with a mic preamp, except that it provides some gain. >>http://www.bksv.com/pdf/4416B.pdf Some relevant excerpts : "Endevco model 4416B Battery Powered ISOTRON Conditioner" ... "is a small, battery-operated, low noise signal conditioner for use with ISOTRON or other piezoelectric voltage mode transducers." ... "TRANSFER CHARACTERISTICS GAIN 1 or 10 selectable" ... "CONNECTIONS BNC for both Input and Output" To misuse Magritte: Leci n'est pas une microphone preamplifier. Did you maybe post the wrong link? -- Paul Winkler http://www.slinkp.com From christhemonkey at gmail.com Fri May 12 16:39:21 2006 From: christhemonkey at gmail.com (chris beagles) Date: Fri May 12 16:39:26 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Midi and computer freezing Message-ID: <79eea87e0605121339o2093c41dm2510b7b75057e728@mail.gmail.com> Hi, After months of searching, have finally found my old midi to serial port cables. They seem to be working fine, i can play music back using aplaymidi --port 64:0 file.mid. But when i go into qjackctl to connect the input to jack, it abruplty causes the pc to hault. No keyboard response, no mouse. Nothing. I have to hard reset the computer. Not sure how to go about checking what goes wrong, probably should view some kernel logs or something, but have no idea where to start. The problem happens everytime i try and connect the input to something (Zyn, rosegarden, etc..) I am using ubuntu dapper drake, kernel 2.6.15-22 for i686. Using some rubishy Cmedia soundcard serial port. Connected to piano with random midi cables. Any help appreciated! From dsen at homemail.com Fri May 12 16:42:42 2006 From: dsen at homemail.com (D. Sen) Date: Fri May 12 16:44:23 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Recording Level using Audacity and a Multiface card In-Reply-To: <1147465703.2752.28.camel@cmn3.stanford.edu> References: <4464712E.6020502@homemail.com> <1147453076.7867.4.camel@puppeli> <4464D0FC.7020901@homemail.com> <20060512194536.GG8670@slinkp.com> <4464E974.1080809@homemail.com> <1147465703.2752.28.camel@cmn3.stanford.edu> Message-ID: <4464F342.5010507@homemail.com> Ok, so the gain option quoted by the device isnt the gain quoted by the conventional pre-amps. However, you are assuming a lot here. In essence, you are assuming that just because you dont see "60 dB gain", the device is not amplifying the signal to line-level when in-fact, even at x1 gain, the device is producing line-level and the extra 20 dB gain using the x10 setting is beyond what is required for line-level inputs. The gain does not tell you anything about the voltage at the output. The pre-amp from RME quotes an output of 21 dBu max. This converts to about 24 V p-p. The device I am using produces an output of 10 V p-p. This is a difference of slightly above 6 dB. If at the end, the gain was the root of the problem, I would surely see the same kind of low level recording on other digital recorders (namely a FOSTEX and a SONY line-level input recorders), and I dont. Fernando Lopez-Lezcano wrote: > On Sat, 2006-05-13 at 06:00 +1000, D. Sen wrote: >> Look at the specs. The output is definitely line-level. The function of >> a pre-amp is to produce line-level output and this does it. > > Not really. Please compare to the specs of a real mic preamp, please, > for example: > http://www.rme-audio.com/english/micpreamps/quadmic.htm > (which would be an appropriate companion to the multiface) > > In particular: "Amplification can be set between 10 and 60 dB". 60dB of > gain expressed as a voltage ratio would be amplifying the signal by > 1000. I would imagine you would need to use 40 to 60dB to amplify a mic > to line level so you are at least a factor of 10 below what would be > needed. > >> It is sold by B&K and they swear by it. > > (they can swear all they want but that's not gonna make it amplify the > signal more :-) > > The key here (as outlined before in the thread) is gain. This signal > conditioner's gain is too low (probably by a factor of at least 10) to > act as a mic preamp _unless_ your line input has additional gain you can > dial in (which is probably why you can use it with other equipment). > > -- Fernando > > >> Paul Winkler wrote: >>> On Sat, May 13, 2006 at 04:16:28AM +1000, D. Sen wrote: >>>> This is what is being used between the microphone and the multiface: >>>> >>>> http://www.bksv.com/pdf/4416B.pdf >>>> >>>> This is providing line-level output to the multiface. >>> What you have there isn't really a microphone preamp. Max gain of 10 >>> isn't very much at all, it's what, 20 dB? >>> >>> Commercial mic preamps typically have at least 60 dB of gain available. >>> > > > From rlrevell at joe-job.com Fri May 12 16:49:03 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Fri May 12 16:49:14 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Midi and computer freezing In-Reply-To: <79eea87e0605121339o2093c41dm2510b7b75057e728@mail.gmail.com> References: <79eea87e0605121339o2093c41dm2510b7b75057e728@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1147466944.6535.211.camel@mindpipe> On Fri, 2006-05-12 at 21:39 +0100, chris beagles wrote: > I am using ubuntu dapper drake, kernel 2.6.15-22 for i686. > Using some rubishy Cmedia soundcard serial port. > Connected to piano with random midi cables. Try newer kernel. Also try it without X running (of course you'll have to use aconnect rather than qjackctl), you might get a kernel Oops on the screen. Lee From dsen at homemail.com Fri May 12 16:50:58 2006 From: dsen at homemail.com (D. Sen) Date: Fri May 12 16:52:31 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Recording Level using Audacity and a Multiface card In-Reply-To: <20060512203318.GA26068@slinkp.com> References: <4464712E.6020502@homemail.com> <1147453076.7867.4.camel@puppeli> <4464D0FC.7020901@homemail.com> <20060512194536.GG8670@slinkp.com> <4464E974.1080809@homemail.com> <20060512203318.GA26068@slinkp.com> Message-ID: <4464F532.3060401@homemail.com> No, the relevant part of the specs is not the gain. Just because you dont read "microphone preamplifier" anywhere or "60 dB gain" does not mean it is not producing line level outputs. The relevent part of the specs is: LINEAR OUTPUT VOLTAGE 10 volts pk-pk (3.535 V rms) or greater. Consumer equipment line-level requires 0.316 V RMS and professional equipment line-level requires 1.228 V RMS. The link I posted provides the required levels for a line-level input device (from my previous posts, you will see that it works fine for other line-level input devices). Paul Winkler wrote: > On Sat, May 13, 2006 at 06:00:52AM +1000, D. Sen wrote: >> Look at the specs. The output is definitely line-level. > > I did look at the specs! Maybe you posted the wrong link? What I'm > looking at has nothing in common with a mic preamp, except that > it provides some gain. >>> http://www.bksv.com/pdf/4416B.pdf > > Some relevant excerpts : > "Endevco model 4416B Battery Powered ISOTRON Conditioner" > ... "is a small, battery-operated, low noise signal conditioner for use > with ISOTRON or other piezoelectric voltage mode transducers." > ... > "TRANSFER CHARACTERISTICS > GAIN 1 or 10 selectable" > ... > "CONNECTIONS BNC for both Input and Output" > > To misuse Magritte: Leci n'est pas une microphone preamplifier. > > Did you maybe post the wrong link? > > From christhemonkey at gmail.com Fri May 12 16:53:42 2006 From: christhemonkey at gmail.com (chris beagles) Date: Fri May 12 16:53:52 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Midi and computer freezing In-Reply-To: <1147466944.6535.211.camel@mindpipe> References: <79eea87e0605121339o2093c41dm2510b7b75057e728@mail.gmail.com> <1147466944.6535.211.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <79eea87e0605121353l2e7d0203w4d996df6cdee3d15@mail.gmail.com> On 5/12/06, Lee Revell wrote: > On Fri, 2006-05-12 at 21:39 +0100, chris beagles wrote: > > I am using ubuntu dapper drake, kernel 2.6.15-22 for i686. > > Using some rubishy Cmedia soundcard serial port. > > Connected to piano with random midi cables. > > Try newer kernel. My kernel is the latest one supplied by ubuntu. And my attempts at compiling my own kernels all failed miserably : ) > > Also try it without X running (of course you'll have to use aconnect > rather than qjackctl), you might get a kernel Oops on the screen. I shall try using aconnect, see what messages get dumped on screen. > > Lee > Chris From v2 at iki.fi Fri May 12 16:53:42 2006 From: v2 at iki.fi (Sampo Savolainen) Date: Fri May 12 16:54:42 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Recording Level using Audacity and a Multiface card In-Reply-To: <4464F342.5010507@homemail.com> References: <4464712E.6020502@homemail.com> <1147453076.7867.4.camel@puppeli> <4464D0FC.7020901@homemail.com> <20060512194536.GG8670@slinkp.com> <4464E974.1080809@homemail.com> <1147465703.2752.28.camel@cmn3.stanford.edu> <4464F342.5010507@homemail.com> Message-ID: <1147467223.7867.17.camel@puppeli> On Sat, 2006-05-13 at 06:42 +1000, D. Sen wrote: > Ok, so the gain option quoted by the device isnt the gain quoted by the > conventional pre-amps. However, you are assuming a lot here. In essence, > you are assuming that just because you dont see "60 dB gain", the device > is not amplifying the signal to line-level when in-fact, even at x1 > gain, the device is producing line-level and the extra 20 dB gain using > the x10 setting is beyond what is required for line-level inputs. We are just flabbergasted by the gear you are using. What sort of mics are you using? what do you record with the gear? Most of us use dynamic & condenser microphones which use XLR cables, the XLR->XLR cables are plugged into our 10-60dB preamps which are normally connected via XLR->plug or plug->plug cords to the soundcard. I for once have never seen a microphone use a BNC connector, and even less heard of anyone using a "POSITRON Conditioner" as a microphone preamplifier. The multiface has a switchable input gain via a switch internal in the box. Maybe your box is set to the lower gain instead of the higher +4dB (so called consumer-grade) gain? Sampo -- Sampo Savolainen From link at sumerianbabyl.com Fri May 12 17:13:03 2006 From: link at sumerianbabyl.com (Link Swanson) Date: Fri May 12 17:13:22 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Hard disk choice and partitioning Message-ID: <38903.216.17.51.98.1147468383.squirrel@www.sumerianbabyl.com> If y'all were gonna set up a brand new Linux DAW (with WinXP on there too), what hard disk choices would you make concerning interface, partitioning, and filesystems? Specifically: 1. How many hard disks? 2. IDE or SATA? 3. Partition order and size? 4. Filesystem type? I'm not too concerned about price: I want the best setup for a DAW that will run PlanetCCRMA, 64Studio, and WinXP. Thanks! Link From qb at f2s.com Fri May 12 17:34:04 2006 From: qb at f2s.com (Q) Date: Fri May 12 17:34:23 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Denormal problems with some LADSPA plugins In-Reply-To: <1147465706.7867.12.camel@puppeli> References: <4464DE4E.1000900@f2s.com> <1147465706.7867.12.camel@puppeli> Message-ID: <4464FF4C.1080800@f2s.com> Hi Sampo Thanks for this. I noticed that I missed out one of the hyphens from the "--prefix=/usr" bit. I compiled them exactly as you said (with the correct number of hyphens this time) but I'm still getting problems with an instance of the Triple Band. The plate reverb I've been using says "by Steve Harris" in the titlebar and there is a plate reverb listed in the SWH set. Q Sampo Savolainen wrote: > On Fri, 2006-05-12 at 20:13 +0100, Q wrote: > > >>Sampo suggested on the Ardour forum that I should try compiling the SWH >>plugins using SSE instructions -- thanks for that. I got the latest tar >>of the plugs and compiled them using those instructions but >>unfortunately it hasn't cured the problem. Probably I did something >>wrong -- I can't say I fully understood the options in the Readme. > > > Sorry to hear you're still having problems. Quick guide to compile the > plugins (assuming your setup is pretty standard, which it is, if you > haven't done something really weird). > > tar xf swh-plugins-[version].tar.bz2 > cd swh-plugins-[version]/ > ./configure --prefix=/usr --enable-sse > make > su > [enter your root password] > make install > exit > [the exit command drops out of the super user shell] > > Then start ardour and try again. Swh's plugins include the "Triple band > parametric with shelves" and the glame butterworth filters, so you > should see if doing this will make these plugin work better. > > Recompiling & installing swh plugins will not change how the plate > reverb you are using, as it's not part of swh plugins (it's part of the > caps set, most likely). > From pw_lists at slinkp.com Fri May 12 17:34:06 2006 From: pw_lists at slinkp.com (Paul Winkler) Date: Fri May 12 17:34:34 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Recording Level using Audacity and a Multiface card In-Reply-To: <4464F532.3060401@homemail.com> References: <4464712E.6020502@homemail.com> <1147453076.7867.4.camel@puppeli> <4464D0FC.7020901@homemail.com> <20060512194536.GG8670@slinkp.com> <4464E974.1080809@homemail.com> <20060512203318.GA26068@slinkp.com> <4464F532.3060401@homemail.com> Message-ID: <20060512213406.GA4134@slinkp.com> On Sat, May 13, 2006 at 06:50:58AM +1000, D. Sen wrote: > No, the relevant part of the specs is not the gain. Just because you > dont read "microphone preamplifier" anywhere or "60 dB gain" does not > mean it is not producing line level outputs. > > The relevent part of the specs is: > > LINEAR OUTPUT VOLTAGE 10 volts pk-pk (3.535 V rms) or greater. But that depends also on the voltage present on the input, no? -- Paul Winkler http://www.slinkp.com From dsen at homemail.com Fri May 12 18:03:48 2006 From: dsen at homemail.com (D. Sen) Date: Fri May 12 18:05:16 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Recording Level using Audacity and a Multiface card In-Reply-To: <20060512213406.GA4134@slinkp.com> References: <4464712E.6020502@homemail.com> <1147453076.7867.4.camel@puppeli> <4464D0FC.7020901@homemail.com> <20060512194536.GG8670@slinkp.com> <4464E974.1080809@homemail.com> <20060512203318.GA26068@slinkp.com> <4464F532.3060401@homemail.com> <20060512213406.GA4134@slinkp.com> Message-ID: <44650644.7090109@homemail.com> Yes, sure. Here are the relevant links for the 4189 + 2671 microphone housing in our setup, that connects to the Deltatron power supply. http://www.bksv.com/pdf/Bp1380.pdf http://www.bksv.com/pdf/bp2111.pdf Thanks for the suggestion about an internal switch, Sampo. I will look for it when I get back to the lab. DS Paul Winkler wrote: > On Sat, May 13, 2006 at 06:50:58AM +1000, D. Sen wrote: >> No, the relevant part of the specs is not the gain. Just because you >> dont read "microphone preamplifier" anywhere or "60 dB gain" does not >> mean it is not producing line level outputs. >> >> The relevent part of the specs is: >> >> LINEAR OUTPUT VOLTAGE 10 volts pk-pk (3.535 V rms) or greater. > > But that depends also on the voltage present on the input, no? > From ireneshusband at yahoo.co.uk Fri May 12 18:09:24 2006 From: ireneshusband at yahoo.co.uk (Robert Persson) Date: Fri May 12 18:09:39 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] gentoo proaudio portage overlay In-Reply-To: <20060510173813.4ff619cf@SiRiUS.home> References: <200605092351.34383.ireneshusband@yahoo.co.uk> <20060510173813.4ff619cf@SiRiUS.home> Message-ID: <200605121509.27393.ireneshusband@yahoo.co.uk> On Wednesday 10 May 2006 08:38 Thomas Kuther was like: > could you please post the error message you get from ebuild's digest > verification? Maybe directly in the thread on the forums, not here on > the list. I smell a problem with arch portage vs. ~arch portage's new > SHA256 digest method on some ebuilds... also other tweaks, fixes etc > are allways very welcome! I can't remember exactly what the problem was in this case. I dealt with it and forgot about it. I'm sure I will find some more bugs to deal with before too long. I've also written a couple of ebuilds (my first, so they probably need checking, but they work for me) that I could post. One thing though. I think the forum thread is starting to get a bit out of hand -- nine pages and growing. It's already at the stage where it is very difficult to see whether a bug has already been reported. I'm starting to find it a bit intimidating, to be honest. I think your overlay needs its own forum rather than a single thread. Or a mailing list maybe. -- Robert Persson Conspiracy Bears: Once upon a time there were lots of conspiracy bears... From nando at ccrma.Stanford.EDU Fri May 12 18:16:22 2006 From: nando at ccrma.Stanford.EDU (Fernando Lopez-Lezcano) Date: Fri May 12 18:16:41 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Recording Level using Audacity and a Multiface card In-Reply-To: <1147467223.7867.17.camel@puppeli> References: <4464712E.6020502@homemail.com> <1147453076.7867.4.camel@puppeli> <4464D0FC.7020901@homemail.com> <20060512194536.GG8670@slinkp.com> <4464E974.1080809@homemail.com> <1147465703.2752.28.camel@cmn3.stanford.edu> <4464F342.5010507@homemail.com> <1147467223.7867.17.camel@puppeli> Message-ID: <1147472182.2752.67.camel@cmn3.stanford.edu> On Fri, 2006-05-12 at 23:53 +0300, Sampo Savolainen wrote: > On Sat, 2006-05-13 at 06:42 +1000, D. Sen wrote: > > Ok, so the gain option quoted by the device isnt the gain quoted by the > > conventional pre-amps. However, you are assuming a lot here. In essence, > > you are assuming that just because you dont see "60 dB gain", the device > > is not amplifying the signal to line-level when in-fact, even at x1 > > gain, the device is producing line-level and the extra 20 dB gain using > > the x10 setting is beyond what is required for line-level inputs. > > We are just flabbergasted by the gear you are using. What sort of mics > are you using? what do you record with the gear? > > Most of us use dynamic & condenser microphones which use XLR cables, the > XLR->XLR cables are plugged into our 10-60dB preamps which are normally > connected via XLR->plug or plug->plug cords to the soundcard. I for once > have never seen a microphone use a BNC connector, and even less heard of > anyone using a "POSITRON Conditioner" as a microphone preamplifier. > > The multiface has a switchable input gain via a switch internal in the > box. Maybe your box is set to the lower gain instead of the higher +4dB > (so called consumer-grade) gain? Hmmm, I think it is the other way around, it should be set to -10dBv for more sensitivity - the +4dB will be less sensitive, right? It is meant to interface with "pro" equipment which will send hotter balanced signals AFAIK. That may fall short because he is getting a -37dB signal at full sound pressure level, that switch may get that up to -23dB or so, still low I guess (but better than no change). -- Fernando From hardbop200 at gmail.com Fri May 12 18:16:39 2006 From: hardbop200 at gmail.com (Josh Lawrence) Date: Fri May 12 18:17:00 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Midi and computer freezing In-Reply-To: <79eea87e0605121353l2e7d0203w4d996df6cdee3d15@mail.gmail.com> References: <79eea87e0605121339o2093c41dm2510b7b75057e728@mail.gmail.com> <1147466944.6535.211.camel@mindpipe> <79eea87e0605121353l2e7d0203w4d996df6cdee3d15@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On 5/12/06, chris beagles wrote: > My kernel is the latest one supplied by ubuntu. > And my attempts at compiling my own kernels all failed miserably : ) I'm writing a HOWTO to address this. Please give it a read at http://www.hardbop200.com/howto-compiling-an-rt-kernel/ and let me know if this helps. I haven't conquered the config part yet, so it is still incomplete. -- Josh Lawrence http://www.hardbop200.com From nando at ccrma.Stanford.EDU Fri May 12 18:32:55 2006 From: nando at ccrma.Stanford.EDU (Fernando Lopez-Lezcano) Date: Fri May 12 18:33:07 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Recording Level using Audacity and a Multiface card In-Reply-To: <4464F342.5010507@homemail.com> References: <4464712E.6020502@homemail.com> <1147453076.7867.4.camel@puppeli> <4464D0FC.7020901@homemail.com> <20060512194536.GG8670@slinkp.com> <4464E974.1080809@homemail.com> <1147465703.2752.28.camel@cmn3.stanford.edu> <4464F342.5010507@homemail.com> Message-ID: <1147473175.2752.81.camel@cmn3.stanford.edu> On Sat, 2006-05-13 at 06:42 +1000, D. Sen wrote: > Ok, so the gain option quoted by the device isnt the gain quoted by the > conventional pre-amps. However, you are assuming a lot here. In essence, > you are assuming that just because you dont see "60 dB gain", the device > is not amplifying the signal to line-level when in-fact, even at x1 > gain, the device is producing line-level and the extra 20 dB gain using > the x10 setting is beyond what is required for line-level inputs. AFAIK I'm not assuming anything about the box[I _am_ assuming that the microphones you use produce typical mic level output]. I can only read what the spec you posted says. It clearly states that the box can act as a unity gain signal conditioner (X1 gain) or as a X10 amplifier. That's all it says - it does not talk about line levels or anything like that. It then says that the linear output voltage is going to be 10V p-p or greater. In my understanding that is the clipping voltage or max voltage at the distortion levels they specify (ie: you can't get more than that without introducing distortion). The actual output voltage you get will depend on the input voltage you feed it. > The gain does not tell you anything about the voltage at the output. > The pre-amp from RME quotes an output of 21 dBu max. This converts to > about 24 V p-p. The device I am using produces an output of 10 V p-p. > This is a difference of slightly above 6 dB. [I don't mean to patronize you] Gain multiplied by the input voltage gives you the output voltage: vo = vi * gain You have a fixed gain (X10) and you want a given output voltage (10V p-p, just an example), to get that you need to supply a 1V p-p input signal. What I don't know is what output signal you are getting from the http://www.bksv.com/pdf/Bp1380.pdf (BTW, very very nice :-) at the sound pressure you are measuring, but your results would indicate it is not enough to get full scale output from the signal conditioner, as seen by the RME card. > If at the end, the gain was the root of the problem, I would surely see > the same kind of low level recording on other digital recorders (namely > a FOSTEX and a SONY line-level input recorders), and I dont. I imagine that depends on what kind of input stage you have in those machines. Usually they have a gain control which you can use to increase the input stage gain (and thus maybe compensate for the gain of your conditioner box). It could also be as Sampo suggested that the RME multiface is set for the less sensitive input gain (both gains are considered "line level" - quite confusing). -- Fernando > Fernando Lopez-Lezcano wrote: > > On Sat, 2006-05-13 at 06:00 +1000, D. Sen wrote: > >> Look at the specs. The output is definitely line-level. The function of > >> a pre-amp is to produce line-level output and this does it. > > > > Not really. Please compare to the specs of a real mic preamp, please, > > for example: > > http://www.rme-audio.com/english/micpreamps/quadmic.htm > > (which would be an appropriate companion to the multiface) > > > > In particular: "Amplification can be set between 10 and 60 dB". 60dB of > > gain expressed as a voltage ratio would be amplifying the signal by > > 1000. I would imagine you would need to use 40 to 60dB to amplify a mic > > to line level so you are at least a factor of 10 below what would be > > needed. > > > >> It is sold by B&K and they swear by it. > > > > (they can swear all they want but that's not gonna make it amplify the > > signal more :-) > > > > The key here (as outlined before in the thread) is gain. This signal > > conditioner's gain is too low (probably by a factor of at least 10) to > > act as a mic preamp _unless_ your line input has additional gain you can > > dial in (which is probably why you can use it with other equipment). > > > > -- Fernando > > > > > >> Paul Winkler wrote: > >>> On Sat, May 13, 2006 at 04:16:28AM +1000, D. Sen wrote: > >>>> This is what is being used between the microphone and the multiface: > >>>> > >>>> http://www.bksv.com/pdf/4416B.pdf > >>>> > >>>> This is providing line-level output to the multiface. > >>> What you have there isn't really a microphone preamp. Max gain of 10 > >>> isn't very much at all, it's what, 20 dB? > >>> > >>> Commercial mic preamps typically have at least 60 dB of gain available. From saint_luna at yahoo.com Fri May 12 18:36:21 2006 From: saint_luna at yahoo.com (Moon) Date: Fri May 12 18:36:28 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] RME Hammerfall setup trouble Message-ID: <20060512223621.27632.qmail@web32108.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi there, been lurking a while and reading and have run into this problem trying to initialize my Multiface (ubuntu dapper) hdsploader - firmware loader for RME Hammerfall DSP cards Looking for HDSP + Multiface or Digiface cards : Card 0 : NVidia CK804 with ALC850 at 0xd3103000, irq 225 Card 1 : RME Hammerfall DSP at 0xd3000000, irq 58 Upload firmware for card hw:1 Hwdep ioctl error on card hw:1 : Input/output error. Card 2 : MPU-401 UART at 0x330, irq 10 and pardon my noobness where did Card 2 come from? Thanks in advance M __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From illth at gmx.de Fri May 12 20:07:28 2006 From: illth at gmx.de (Thomas Ilnseher) Date: Fri May 12 20:07:37 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Hard disk choice and partitioning In-Reply-To: <38903.216.17.51.98.1147468383.squirrel@www.sumerianbabyl.com> References: <38903.216.17.51.98.1147468383.squirrel@www.sumerianbabyl.com> Message-ID: <44652340.3050509@gmx.de> Link Swanson wrote: > If y'all were gonna set up a brand new Linux DAW (with WinXP on there > too), what hard disk choices would you make concerning interface, > partitioning, and filesystems? Specifically: > > 1. How many hard disks? > > 2. IDE or SATA? > this is the only question thats somewhat easy to answer: if your mobo has builtin sata ports: it's much better to get sata disks. not that this would give you any performance benefits, but i think the ide-bus will die soon, and sata hdd's are nowerdays priced approx. the same as their corresponding ide counterparts. if you need to get a pci controller: it might have a performance hit to use a pci sata controller, especially w/ some via and nvidia chipsets. peak bandwith of 32bit / 33MHz bus is 133MB/s, thats exact the same as with UDMA133. but some chipset offer even less performance on the pci bus. in this case ide hdds would be worth consdering. > 3. Partition order and size? > > 4. Filesystem type? > if you ask 100 linux user, 50 will say they use the default fs of their distro, the other 50 will argue which of the fs's is the best... > I'm not too concerned about price: I want the best setup for a DAW that > will run PlanetCCRMA, 64Studio, and WinXP. > there might arise a few other questions, like: how much disk size do you need ? is performance/reliabilty/noise level of interest ? if yes, what is the most important ? > Thanks! > > Link > > > From rlrevell at joe-job.com Fri May 12 20:15:54 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Fri May 12 20:16:04 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Hard disk choice and partitioning In-Reply-To: <44652340.3050509@gmx.de> References: <38903.216.17.51.98.1147468383.squirrel@www.sumerianbabyl.com> <44652340.3050509@gmx.de> Message-ID: <1147479355.6535.223.camel@mindpipe> On Sat, 2006-05-13 at 02:07 +0200, Thomas Ilnseher wrote: > > 4. Filesystem type? > > > if you ask 100 linux user, 50 will say they use the default fs of > their > distro, > the other 50 will argue which of the fs's is the best... I can't tell you what the "best" is but ext3 is the best tested FS for low latency work. Lee From dominic.sacre at gmx.de Fri May 12 20:14:42 2006 From: dominic.sacre at gmx.de (Dominic =?iso-8859-1?q?Sacr=E9?=) Date: Fri May 12 20:18:52 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Alsa Midi patchbay/processor Message-ID: <200605130214.42706.dominic.sacre@gmx.de> Hi, I'm looking for some kind of midi patchbay (in software, using alsa), that can also process midi events, like, for example, converting note on to control change events, etc. In particular, I'd like to be able to: - route midi events between input and output ports, and activate different setups by sending midi messages - split midi channels, e.g. to send the upper part of a keyboard to one output port, and the lower part to another - change midi velocity curves - convert sustain pedal (cc 64) to appropriate note off events (I know this one is very specific) Is there any tool (or set of tools) that can do this? Thanks, Dominic From ix at replic.net Fri May 12 20:29:04 2006 From: ix at replic.net (carmen) Date: Fri May 12 20:29:10 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Hard disk choice and partitioning In-Reply-To: <44652340.3050509@gmx.de> References: <38903.216.17.51.98.1147468383.squirrel@www.sumerianbabyl.com> <44652340.3050509@gmx.de> Message-ID: <20060513002904.GA14392@replic.net> > >2. IDE or SATA? this might have been a valid question 4 years ago.. > >4. Filesystem type? reiser4 or XFS if you want performance. when not dealing with lots of small files and the issue is mainly throughput, (ev in a DAW situation) ext3 is probably going to be fine.. > there might arise a few other questions, like: > how much disk size do you need ? > > is performance/reliabilty/noise level of interest ? > if yes, what is the most important ? ive been buying Samsungs for several years now, and none of them have died, and none of them make any noise. i mean if you put your ear 1/4" away you can hear a faint whirring sound, but its not a single pitched high frequency whine like ive experienced with IBM, WD and others.. From jesse at essej.net Fri May 12 22:33:53 2006 From: jesse at essej.net (Jesse Chappell) Date: Fri May 12 22:34:00 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] RME Hammerfall setup trouble In-Reply-To: <20060512223621.27632.qmail@web32108.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060512223621.27632.qmail@web32108.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On 5/12/06, Moon wrote: > Hi there, > been lurking a while and reading and have run into this problem trying > to initialize my Multiface (ubuntu dapper) > > hdsploader - firmware loader for RME Hammerfall DSP cards > Looking for HDSP + Multiface or Digiface cards : > Card 0 : NVidia CK804 with ALC850 at 0xd3103000, irq 225 > Card 1 : RME Hammerfall DSP at 0xd3000000, irq 58 > Upload firmware for card hw:1 > Hwdep ioctl error on card hw:1 : Input/output error. > Card 2 : MPU-401 UART at 0x330, irq 10 Make sure that the Multiface is plugged in to the card and powered before booting. Sometimes, just doing a soft reboot after you get the message above will resolve the problem. But I don't have experience with ubuntu's alsa configuration, there might be other issues. jlc From seablaede at gmail.com Fri May 12 23:49:23 2006 From: seablaede at gmail.com (Thomas Vecchione) Date: Fri May 12 23:45:35 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: -rt IRQ handler priorities In-Reply-To: <1147464937.6535.195.camel@mindpipe> References: <1146883567.5417.8.camel@localhost> <20060509004750.3f9556ca@mango.fruits> <1147129704.9116.21.camel@mindpipe> <200605090721.06442.woho@woho.de> <4460D52A.8000802@gmail.com> <1147196943.9116.144.camel@mindpipe> <4464E97D.5090503@gmail.com> <1147464937.6535.195.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <44655743.5080703@gmail.com> > Sorry I lost track of the thread (please don't trim the '$PERSON > said...' line!). > > Is this the config that works or hangs after loading the schedulers? > He not a matter of trimming it, mine doesnt set it up;) Primarily so I dont accidently quote an entire long message and resend it to a list I am a part of. The aforementioned kernel config at... > http://linuxaudio.leviathan-avc.com/files/.config Is a working config on a Tyan K8WE motherboard, with a single Opteron(Even though it is compiled for SMP as I plan to add another, possibly even upgrade to twin dual cores this summer) and patch with Ingo's realtime preemption patch. I have had relatively few problems running it, none that I believe to be a kernel issue. The ALSA modules are compiled seperately to allow me to upgrade them easier. Seablade From chris at mccormick.cx Sat May 13 01:33:07 2006 From: chris at mccormick.cx (Chris McCormick) Date: Sat May 13 01:34:27 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] =?iso-8859-15?Q?Hol?= =?iso-8859-15?Q?a_amigos=2Cm=E1s_m=FAsic?= =?iso-8859-15?Q?a?= - Hello world,it's time for music again In-Reply-To: <44648276.1090801@gmail.com> References: <44648276.1090801@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20060513053307.GA10019@mccormick.cx> On Fri, May 12, 2006 at 02:41:26PM +0200, Carlos Pino wrote: > > http://www.telefonica.net/web2/pinojazz/open_horizon.ogg Very nice! Chris. ------------------- chris@mccormick.cx http://mccormick.cx From bourdon at kabelfoon.net Sat May 13 04:02:59 2006 From: bourdon at kabelfoon.net (Bert Visser) Date: Sat May 13 04:03:05 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Alsa Midi patchbay/processor In-Reply-To: <200605130214.42706.dominic.sacre@gmx.de> References: <200605130214.42706.dominic.sacre@gmx.de> Message-ID: <446592B3.4060101@kabelfoon.net> Dominic Sacr? schreef: > Hi, > > I'm looking for some kind of midi patchbay (in software, using alsa), that > can also process midi events, like, for example, converting note on to > control change events, etc. > > In particular, I'd like to be able to: > > - route midi events between input and output ports, and activate different > setups by sending midi messages > - split midi channels, e.g. to send the upper part of a keyboard to one > output port, and the lower part to another > - change midi velocity curves > - convert sustain pedal (cc 64) to appropriate note off events (I know > this one is very specific) > > Is there any tool (or set of tools) that can do this? > > Thanks, > Dominic > > Try Qmidiroute; you can get it at http://alsamodular.sourceforge.net/ Bert From tim at orford.org Sat May 13 05:59:45 2006 From: tim at orford.org (Tim Orford) Date: Sat May 13 05:59:31 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Fst and Wine problem In-Reply-To: <4464E5EA.8070509@nixbox.com.ar> References: <4464E5EA.8070509@nixbox.com.ar> Message-ID: <20060513095945.GF7721@sofa> On Fri, May 12, 2006 at 04:45:46PM -0300, Juan Marcelo Rodr?guez wrote: > $ fst Crystal.dll > gui_thread_id = 10 > The program 'fst.exe.so' received an X Window System error. > This probably reflects a bug in the program. > The error was 'RenderBadPicture (invalid Picture parameter)'. > (Details: serial 8753 error_code 174 request_code 152 minor_code 7) > (Note to programmers: normally, X errors are reported asynchronously; > that is, you will receive the error a while after causing it. > To debug your program, run it with the --sync command line > option to change this behavior. You can then get a meaningful > backtrace from your debugger if you break on the gdk_x_error() > function.) I've had similar wine problems this week on a new fedora 5 install (unrelated to fst). On some of my machines, Wine is just broken, while on others it works great - no idea why. And i agree, it seems difficult to find information on this. Do you get these X errors running other apps under Wine? > Any ideas are welcome. Also If it's OffTopic, I'm going to send this > to the Wine list, but Imho it's more suitable to talk with people from > this list about this. Please keep us informed how you get on -- Tim Orford From jouni.rinne at luukku.com Sat May 13 06:44:48 2006 From: jouni.rinne at luukku.com (Jouni Rinne) Date: Sat May 13 06:44:56 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Alsa Midi patchbay/processor In-Reply-To: <446592B3.4060101@kabelfoon.net> References: <200605130214.42706.dominic.sacre@gmx.de> <446592B3.4060101@kabelfoon.net> Message-ID: <4465B8A0.3080504@luukku.com> Bert Visser kirjoitti: > Dominic Sacr? schreef: >> Hi, >> >> I'm looking for some kind of midi patchbay (in software, using alsa), >> that can also process midi events, like, for example, converting note >> on to control change events, etc. >> >> In particular, I'd like to be able to: >> >> - route midi events between input and output ports, and activate >> different setups by sending midi messages >> - split midi channels, e.g. to send the upper part of a keyboard to >> one output port, and the lower part to another >> - change midi velocity curves >> - convert sustain pedal (cc 64) to appropriate note off events (I know >> this one is very specific) >> >> Is there any tool (or set of tools) that can do this? >> >> Thanks, >> Dominic >> >> > Try Qmidiroute; you can get it at http://alsamodular.sourceforge.net/ > > Bert I have been interested in Qmidiroute, too, but never managed to figure out how to build it from sources. It doesn't even have a proper Makefile, just a bunch of .h and .cpp files. How does one build programs like that? JR -- | me@home ~$whoami ^ ^ | "Trust me, I know what I'm doing!" | | Jouni 'Mad Max' Rinne ('x') | - Sledge Hammer | | me@home ~$man woman C " " | -------[ph34r t3h p3Ngu1n]-------- | | Segmentation fault (core dumped) | l33tmmx at sci dot fi | From ce at christeck.de Sat May 13 07:05:39 2006 From: ce at christeck.de (Christoph Eckert) Date: Sat May 13 07:03:49 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Alsa Midi patchbay/processor In-Reply-To: <4465B8A0.3080504@luukku.com> References: <200605130214.42706.dominic.sacre@gmx.de> <446592B3.4060101@kabelfoon.net> <4465B8A0.3080504@luukku.com> Message-ID: <200605131305.40091.ce@christeck.de> > I have been interested in Qmidiroute, too, but never managed to > figure out how to build it from sources. It doesn't even have a > proper Makefile, just a bunch of .h and .cpp files. How does one > build programs like that? if it contains a .pro file: qmake make Best regards ce From yves_p at nnx.com Sat May 13 07:53:16 2006 From: yves_p at nnx.com (Yves Potin) Date: Sat May 13 07:53:31 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Alsa Midi patchbay/processor In-Reply-To: <200605131305.40091.ce@christeck.de> References: <200605130214.42706.dominic.sacre@gmx.de> <446592B3.4060101@kabelfoon.net> <4465B8A0.3080504@luukku.com> <200605131305.40091.ce@christeck.de> Message-ID: <20060513115316.GB22506@localhost> Le 13 May ? 13:05, Christoph Eckert ecrivait: > if it contains a .pro file: > > qmake > make It doesn't : ~/temp/qmidiroute-0.2.1 > l total 116K -rw-r--r-- 1 yves users 148 sep 21 2004 aeolus01.qmr -rw-r--r-- 1 yves users 7,9K sep 21 2004 gui.cpp -rw-r--r-- 1 yves users 1,1K sep 21 2004 gui.h -rw-r--r-- 1 yves users 15K sep 21 2004 LICENSE -rw-r--r-- 1 yves users 2,3K sep 21 2004 logwidget.cpp -rw-r--r-- 1 yves users 683 sep 21 2004 logwidget.h -rw-r--r-- 1 yves users 1,8K sep 21 2004 main.cpp -rw-r--r-- 1 yves users 100 sep 21 2004 main.h -rw-r--r-- 1 yves users 2,1K sep 21 2004 make_qmidiroute -rw-r--r-- 1 yves users 1,2K sep 21 2004 mapdata.cpp -rw-r--r-- 1 yves users 839 sep 21 2004 mapdata.h -rw-r--r-- 1 yves users 14K sep 21 2004 mapwidget.cpp -rw-r--r-- 1 yves users 2,2K sep 21 2004 mapwidget.h -rw-r--r-- 1 yves users 8,2K sep 21 2004 midimap.cpp -rw-r--r-- 1 yves users 1,2K sep 21 2004 midimap.h -rw-r--r-- 1 yves users 1,6K sep 21 2004 passwidget.cpp -rw-r--r-- 1 yves users 755 sep 21 2004 passwidget.h -rw-r--r-- 1 yves users 874 sep 21 2004 README -rw-r--r-- 1 yves users 3,0K sep 21 2004 seqdriver.cpp -rw-r--r-- 1 yves users 954 sep 21 2004 seqdriver.h Thanks in advance, Y. From larsl at users.sourceforge.net Sat May 13 08:00:17 2006 From: larsl at users.sourceforge.net (Lars Luthman) Date: Sat May 13 08:00:53 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Alsa Midi patchbay/processor In-Reply-To: <20060513115316.GB22506@localhost> References: <200605130214.42706.dominic.sacre@gmx.de> <446592B3.4060101@kabelfoon.net> <4465B8A0.3080504@luukku.com> <200605131305.40091.ce@christeck.de> <20060513115316.GB22506@localhost> Message-ID: <1147521617.9037.8.camel@localhost> On Sat, 2006-05-13 at 13:53 +0200, Yves Potin wrote: > Le 13 May ? 13:05, Christoph Eckert ecrivait: > > > if it contains a .pro file: > > > > qmake > > make > > > It doesn't : > > ~/temp/qmidiroute-0.2.1 > l > total 116K > -rw-r--r-- 1 yves users 148 sep 21 2004 aeolus01.qmr > -rw-r--r-- 1 yves users 7,9K sep 21 2004 gui.cpp > -rw-r--r-- 1 yves users 1,1K sep 21 2004 gui.h > -rw-r--r-- 1 yves users 15K sep 21 2004 LICENSE > -rw-r--r-- 1 yves users 2,3K sep 21 2004 logwidget.cpp > -rw-r--r-- 1 yves users 683 sep 21 2004 logwidget.h > -rw-r--r-- 1 yves users 1,8K sep 21 2004 main.cpp > -rw-r--r-- 1 yves users 100 sep 21 2004 main.h > -rw-r--r-- 1 yves users 2,1K sep 21 2004 make_qmidiroute > -rw-r--r-- 1 yves users 1,2K sep 21 2004 mapdata.cpp > -rw-r--r-- 1 yves users 839 sep 21 2004 mapdata.h > -rw-r--r-- 1 yves users 14K sep 21 2004 mapwidget.cpp > -rw-r--r-- 1 yves users 2,2K sep 21 2004 mapwidget.h > -rw-r--r-- 1 yves users 8,2K sep 21 2004 midimap.cpp > -rw-r--r-- 1 yves users 1,2K sep 21 2004 midimap.h > -rw-r--r-- 1 yves users 1,6K sep 21 2004 passwidget.cpp > -rw-r--r-- 1 yves users 755 sep 21 2004 passwidget.h > -rw-r--r-- 1 yves users 874 sep 21 2004 README > -rw-r--r-- 1 yves users 3,0K sep 21 2004 seqdriver.cpp > -rw-r--r-- 1 yves users 954 sep 21 2004 seqdriver.h make -f make_qmidiroute -- Lars Luthman PGP key: http://www.student.nada.kth.se/~d00-llu/pgp_key.php Fingerprint: FCA7 C790 19B9 322D EB7A E1B3 4371 4650 04C7 7E2E -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Best regards ce From tech at glastonburymusic.org.uk Sat May 13 08:13:59 2006 From: tech at glastonburymusic.org.uk (tim hall) Date: Sat May 13 08:14:08 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Firewire devices and Linux In-Reply-To: <4464BC46.3030702@joow.be> References: <1147443303.4826.25.camel@localhost.localdomain> <4464BC46.3030702@joow.be> Message-ID: <200605131314.00185.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> On Friday 12 May 2006 17:48, Pieter Palmers was like: > To be really clear: > "... to be clear, they will work with [future versions of] freebob ..." > > There are plans to include support for more firewire devices into > freebob, but currently only the devices based on the BridgeCo DM1000 & > DM1500 are supported. And not even all of these due to some excessive > customisation of the reference firmware by some device manufacturers > (most notably M-Audio for the 410 and the 1418). > > Currently there are two other chipsets/solutions that are planned to be > supported: > - Metric Halo devices (Mobile I/O 2882 & Mobile I/O ULN-2) > - Devices based on the DICE-II chipset, as far as the actual device > manufactureres cooperate. > > According to my information, almost all current firewire interfaces use > either a BridgeCo chipset or a DICE-II chipset. Having support for these > two majors, and adding some smaller full-custom devices (like the Metric > Halo's) will have us covering a lot of devices. > > In the case of full custom devices, like the Metric Halo or the RME > Fireface, support will be completely dependant on the stance of the > device manufacturer. So no RME support. Nor any MOTU support. > > To summarize: if you want to buy a FW interface, go ahead and buy one of > the supported ones. They do work on linux. Some more advanced features > are missing, but that's only a matter of time. Thanks for such a clear statement Pieter. Great work! I'm interested, how much of this work has been supported by the various hardware manufacturers in terms of information or even hardware (? ;) or have you bootstrapped this project entirely from the Linux end? -- cheers, tim hall http://glastonburymusic.org.uk/tim We are the people We've been waiting for. From tech at glastonburymusic.org.uk Sat May 13 08:25:08 2006 From: tech at glastonburymusic.org.uk (tim hall) Date: Sat May 13 08:25:20 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Denormal problems with some LADSPA plugins In-Reply-To: <4464DE4E.1000900@f2s.com> References: <4464DE4E.1000900@f2s.com> Message-ID: <200605131325.08772.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> On Friday 12 May 2006 20:13, Q was like: > I'm having denormal problems with some LADSPA plugins, mainly the Triple > Band Parametric with Shelves, Plate Reverb and Glame High Pass filter > (which I started to use to replace that function in the Parametric). > They are really useful plugins but after a short space of time an > instance of one of them will start racking up thousands of Xruns and > processor usage climbs inexorably towards 100%. > > I occasionally had problems before but it seems a lot worse since I > moved to DeMuDi 1.3 and the later version of Ardour that ships with it, > but it's probably just a case of selective memory. > > Sampo suggested on the Ardour forum that I should try compiling the SWH > plugins using SSE instructions -- thanks for that. I got the latest tar > of the plugs and compiled them using those instructions but > unfortunately it hasn't cured the problem. Probably I did something > wrong -- I can't say I fully understood the options in the Readme. > > Has anyone any advice on how to cure this problem, or any ideas where I > might have gone wrong compiling with SSE instructions? Preferably in > words of one syllable or fewer ;-) > > I'm using a Pentium 4 if that makes any difference to anything. I have had problems with the symptoms you're discussing, using the same set-up and the stock demudi kernel (which is very old). I have had much more steady CPU and DSP usage since I upgraded and recompiled my kernel to 2.6.16 - I have been using the TAP plugins more than the SWH ones you mention. I will test them out when I get a spare moment, as the only difference on my system is likely to be the kernel and hardware. -- cheers, tim hall http://glastonburymusic.org.uk/tim We are the people We've been waiting for. From jouni.rinne at luukku.com Sat May 13 08:36:40 2006 From: jouni.rinne at luukku.com (Jouni Rinne) Date: Sat May 13 08:36:46 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Alsa Midi patchbay/processor In-Reply-To: <200605131407.50108.ce@christeck.de> References: <200605130214.42706.dominic.sacre@gmx.de> <20060513115316.GB22506@localhost> <1147521617.9037.8.camel@localhost> <200605131407.50108.ce@christeck.de> Message-ID: <4465D2D8.5010300@luukku.com> Christoph Eckert kirjoitti: >> make -f make_qmidiroute > > depending on your distro, it may be neccessary to adjust paths in > make_qmidiroute. As it was developed on SuSE, it contains SuSE paths. > > > Best regards > > > ce Thank you all for the tips'n'hints, QMidiRoute works now :) . BTW, the abovementioned instructions can be applied to all Qt-based little utilities found in http://alsamodular.sourceforge.net/ JR -- | me@home ~$whoami ^ ^ | "Trust me, I know what I'm doing!" | | Jouni 'Mad Max' Rinne ('x') | - Sledge Hammer | | me@home ~$man woman C " " | -------[ph34r t3h p3Ngu1n]-------- | | Segmentation fault (core dumped) | l33tmmx at sci dot fi | From torbenh at gmx.de Sat May 13 08:48:19 2006 From: torbenh at gmx.de (torbenh@gmx.de) Date: Sat May 13 08:51:18 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Fst and Wine problem In-Reply-To: <4464E5EA.8070509@nixbox.com.ar> References: <4464E5EA.8070509@nixbox.com.ar> Message-ID: <20060513124754.GA8315@mobilat> On Fri, May 12, 2006 at 04:45:46PM -0300, Juan Marcelo Rodr?guez wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Hello, > I'm trying to work with FST to load some VST instruments. The GUI > starts OK, and if I don't change the preset, or If I don't modify any > key of the virtual synth in case, it works. > > But, for example, with Crystal, a widely-know working Synth, I can > start the synth, and also I can setup connections through qjackctl, > and it works nice; but when I try to change the preset it fails, as > all the other plugins later or sonnner do, the error message is: > > $ fst Crystal.dll > gui_thread_id = 10 > The program 'fst.exe.so' received an X Window System error. > This probably reflects a bug in the program. > The error was 'RenderBadPicture (invalid Picture parameter)'. > (Details: serial 8753 error_code 174 request_code 152 minor_code 7) > (Note to programmers: normally, X errors are reported asynchronously; > that is, you will receive the error a while after causing it. > To debug your program, run it with the --sync command line > option to change this behavior. You can then get a meaningful > backtrace from your debugger if you break on the gdk_x_error() > function.) > > > Sometimes this error "breaks" the environment and I need to restart > all the apps to get it working again. > > I talk with the one of the FST developers, and he suggested me that is > a Wine problem. I searched the net and I didn't find too much > information about. mmhmm... who said it was a wine problem ? this rather looks like a gtk problem... what version of gtk are you using ? > > Any ideas are welcome. Also If it's OffTopic, I'm going to send this > to the Wine list, but Imho it's more suitable to talk with people from > this list about this. > > I'm running kernel 2.6.16 patched rt, Jackd 0.100.0, Wine CVS four > days old, and fst-1.7 with vstsdk 2.3. > > Thanks in advance, > Juan. > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.2.2 (GNU/Linux) > Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org > > iD8DBQFEZOXpwWB8GXdhYbcRAgvXAJ9ZEo0hKRfInwDPlBs6n/RXAkujSACfZIde > oNZg7Iv9KNos5oVjvJqKiOk= > =cfAN > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > -- torben Hohn http://galan.sourceforge.net -- The graphical Audio language From rlrevell at joe-job.com Sat May 13 09:00:49 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Sat May 13 09:00:59 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: -rt IRQ handler priorities In-Reply-To: <44655743.5080703@gmail.com> References: <1146883567.5417.8.camel@localhost> <20060509004750.3f9556ca@mango.fruits> <1147129704.9116.21.camel@mindpipe> <200605090721.06442.woho@woho.de> <4460D52A.8000802@gmail.com> <1147196943.9116.144.camel@mindpipe> <4464E97D.5090503@gmail.com> <1147464937.6535.195.camel@mindpipe> <44655743.5080703@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1147525250.6535.267.camel@mindpipe> On Fri, 2006-05-12 at 23:49 -0400, Thomas Vecchione wrote: > > Sorry I lost track of the thread (please don't trim the '$PERSON > > said...' line!). > > > > Is this the config that works or hangs after loading the schedulers? > > > > He not a matter of trimming it, mine doesnt set it up;) Primarily so I > dont accidently quote an entire long message and resend it to a list I > am a part of. > I can't make sense out of this statement, but it's extremely rude to quote without attribution like this. > The aforementioned kernel config at... > > > http://linuxaudio.leviathan-avc.com/files/.config > > Is a working config on a Tyan K8WE motherboard, with a single > Opteron(Even though it is compiled for SMP as I plan to add another, > possibly even upgrade to twin dual cores this summer) and patch with > Ingo's realtime preemption patch. I have had relatively few problems > running it, none that I believe to be a kernel issue. The ALSA modules > are compiled seperately to allow me to upgrade them easier. Um, a working config is not helpful. I need the non-working config as well (but I don't know who to ask for it as you've stripped all the attributions from the email)! Sigh... Lee From qb at f2s.com Sat May 13 09:04:13 2006 From: qb at f2s.com (Q) Date: Sat May 13 09:04:20 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Denormal problems with some LADSPA plugins In-Reply-To: <200605131325.08772.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> References: <4464DE4E.1000900@f2s.com> <200605131325.08772.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> Message-ID: <4465D94D.8080702@f2s.com> tim hall wrote: I have had problems with the symptoms you're discussing, using the same set-up > and the stock demudi kernel (which is very old). I have had much more steady > CPU and DSP usage since I upgraded and recompiled my kernel to 2.6.16 - I > have been using the TAP plugins more than the SWH ones you mention. I will > test them out when I get a spare moment, as the only difference on my system > is likely to be the kernel and hardware. I did wonder about just trying to make do with other plugins, but the Triple Band parametric is just so useful. I use it on just about every track, both for the high pass and the EQ. I have just discovered the 4-band parametric, but I've had problems with the Glame High Pass where I've tried using that. How easy is it to recompile a kernel? Could it cause more problems than it would solve? It sounds rather daunting for a newb like me. But on the other hand, my mixing is grinding to a halt -- quite literally! Perhaps I'll just get a load of tracking done until I find a solution. Cheers Q From pieterp at joow.be Sat May 13 09:19:07 2006 From: pieterp at joow.be (Pieter Palmers) Date: Sat May 13 09:19:00 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Firewire devices and Linux In-Reply-To: <20060512165607.GD8670@slinkp.com> References: <446497F0.30508@joow.be> <20060512155548.GC8670@slinkp.com> <4464B881.4000800@joow.be> <20060512165607.GD8670@slinkp.com> Message-ID: <4465DCCB.6010309@joow.be> Paul Winkler wrote: > On Fri, May 12, 2006 at 06:32:01PM +0200, Pieter Palmers wrote: > >>Paul Winkler wrote: >> >>>(re. presonus Firepod latency)... what kind of latency are you getting >>>with it? >>> >> >>The current freebob code + recent firmware should give you around >>350frames of latency at 44100/48000 (about 7ms). Round trip including AD >>/ DA, measured using jdelay. > > > Not bad at all! > I haven't measured with jdelay, but if I understand correctly, > round-trip latency is d + (p + p*n)/sr, where p is the -p > arg to the jackd backend, n is the -n argument, sr is the sampling rate, > and d is the latency introduced by DA and AD conversions. > > Assuming d is about 1-2 ms, that means you're running with > something like jackd -d alsa ... -p 64 -n 3 > or -p 64 -n 2 ? -p 64 -n 3 > > If so, that's really pretty nice, I haven't done any better > on my delta 66 (but I haven't tried aggressively to go lower). > I can sort of run at -p 32 -n 3 (3ms + d) but I get dropouts. > You need a very well tuned system in order for the -p64 -n3 setup to work without dropouts though, and even then... We are working on improving the ieee1394 kernel support in order to improve this. Pieter From gimpel at sonnenkinder.org Sat May 13 09:26:21 2006 From: gimpel at sonnenkinder.org (Thomas Kuther) Date: Sat May 13 09:26:33 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] rosegarden, chionic and mixxx hardlock my box In-Reply-To: <1147465016.6535.197.camel@mindpipe> References: <20060512175320.0be3ddca@SiRiUS.home> <20060512180329.739fd4e5@SiRiUS.home> <8d27a0610605120923h5807253eree8d1d15a15a8f79@mail.gmail.com> <20060512183037.30454094@SiRiUS.home> <1147465016.6535.197.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <20060513152621.551cf5c4@SiRiUS.home> On Fri, 12 May 2006 16:16:55 -0400 Lee Revell wrote: > On Fri, 2006-05-12 at 18:30 +0200, Thomas Kuther wrote: > > It's a nvidia FX5200 using nvidia's proprietary drivers on Xorg7 > > modular atm.. but in case of rosegarden i have that prob for almost > > a year already > > Can you reproduce the problem without the nvidia binary driver loaded? > > The nvidia driver + -rt kernel is a completely unsupported combo and > I'm not surprised if it blows up. > > Lee > Hmm.. i'm not running -rt. So that can't be the problem. And as said, other Qt apps like LMMS, MusE, hydrogen work flawlessly.. Just tried with the nv driver, same same. Anyway thanks for the suggestion. Tom From tito at rumford.de Sat May 13 09:40:44 2006 From: tito at rumford.de (Wolfgang Woehl) Date: Sat May 13 09:45:31 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Denormal problems with some LADSPA plugins In-Reply-To: <4465D94D.8080702@f2s.com> References: <4464DE4E.1000900@f2s.com> <200605131325.08772.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> <4465D94D.8080702@f2s.com> Message-ID: <200605131540.44281.tito@rumford.de> Saturday 13 May 2006 15:04, Q: > tim hall wrote: > I have had problems with the symptoms you're discussing, using the > same set-up > > > and the stock demudi kernel (which is very old). I have had much more > > steady CPU and DSP usage since I upgraded and recompiled my kernel to > > 2.6.16 - I have been using the TAP plugins more than the SWH ones you > > mention. I will test them out when I get a spare moment, as the only > > difference on my system is likely to be the kernel and hardware. > > I did wonder about just trying to make do with other plugins, but the > Triple Band parametric is just so useful. I use it on just about every > track, both for the high pass and the EQ. I have just discovered the > 4-band parametric, but I've had problems with the Glame High Pass where > I've tried using that. Does Ardour's Options -> Misc -> Stop plugins with transport setting make any difference? -- Wolfgang From b0ef at esben-stien.name Sat May 13 12:21:50 2006 From: b0ef at esben-stien.name (Esben Stien) Date: Sat May 13 10:24:01 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] RME Hammerfall setup trouble In-Reply-To: <20060512223621.27632.qmail@web32108.mail.mud.yahoo.com> (Moon's message of "Fri, 12 May 2006 15:36:21 -0700 (PDT)") References: <20060512223621.27632.qmail@web32108.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <87bqu1j3oh.fsf@esben-stien.name> Moon writes: > Hwdep ioctl error on card hw:1 : Input/output error. Can you try: Unplug the power of the unit as well as the 1394 interface for some seconds, then replug and run hdsploader. -- Esben Stien is b0ef@e s a http://www. s t n m irc://irc. b - i . e/%23contact [sip|iax]: e e jid:b0ef@ n n From rlrevell at joe-job.com Sat May 13 11:19:08 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Sat May 13 11:19:17 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] RME Hammerfall setup trouble In-Reply-To: <87bqu1j3oh.fsf@esben-stien.name> References: <20060512223621.27632.qmail@web32108.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <87bqu1j3oh.fsf@esben-stien.name> Message-ID: <1147533549.6535.276.camel@mindpipe> On Sat, 2006-05-13 at 18:21 +0200, Esben Stien wrote: > Moon writes: > > > Hwdep ioctl error on card hw:1 : Input/output error. > > Can you try: > > Unplug the power of the unit as well as the 1394 interface for some > seconds, then replug and run hdsploader. > Is the firmware installed? Ubuntu does not supply it, you'll have to install alsa-firmware from the ALSA site Lee From linux-stuff at arcor.de Sat May 13 11:26:16 2006 From: linux-stuff at arcor.de (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Frieder_B=FCrzele?=) Date: Sat May 13 11:26:24 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] gentoo proaudio portage overlay In-Reply-To: <200605121509.27393.ireneshusband@yahoo.co.uk> References: <200605092351.34383.ireneshusband@yahoo.co.uk> <20060510173813.4ff619cf@SiRiUS.home> <200605121509.27393.ireneshusband@yahoo.co.uk> Message-ID: <4465FA98.2000808@arcor.de> Robert Persson wrote: > On Wednesday 10 May 2006 08:38 Thomas Kuther was like: > >> could you please post the error message you get from ebuild's digest >> verification? Maybe directly in the thread on the forums, not here on >> the list. I smell a problem with arch portage vs. ~arch portage's new >> SHA256 digest method on some ebuilds... also other tweaks, fixes etc >> are allways very welcome! >> > > I can't remember exactly what the problem was in this case. I dealt with it > and forgot about it. I'm sure I will find some more bugs to deal with before > too long. I've also written a couple of ebuilds (my first, so they probably > need checking, but they work for me) that I could post. > > One thing though. I think the forum thread is starting to get a bit out of > hand -- nine pages and growing. It's already at the stage where it is very > difficult to see whether a bug has already been reported. I'm starting to > find it a bit intimidating, to be honest. I think your overlay needs its own > forum rather than a single thread. Or a mailing list maybe. > thx tuxfamily.org we now have a mailinglist send bugs, questions, contributions to our mailinglist: proaudio@lists.tuxfamily.org you need to be subscibed to post messages subscribe: send a email to proaudio-request@lists.tuxfamily.org with subject: subscribe unsubscribe: same as above but subject: unsubscribe From seablaede at gmail.com Sat May 13 12:19:31 2006 From: seablaede at gmail.com (Thomas Vecchione) Date: Sat May 13 12:15:39 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: -rt IRQ handler priorities In-Reply-To: <1147525250.6535.267.camel@mindpipe> References: <1146883567.5417.8.camel@localhost> <20060509004750.3f9556ca@mango.fruits> <1147129704.9116.21.camel@mindpipe> <200605090721.06442.woho@woho.de> <4460D52A.8000802@gmail.com> <1147196943.9116.144.camel@mindpipe> <4464E97D.5090503@gmail.com> <1147464937.6535.195.camel@mindpipe> <44655743.5080703@gmail.com> <1147525250.6535.267.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <44660713.1010001@gmail.com> Re: Lee > I can't make sense out of this statement, but it's extremely rude to > quote without attribution like this. Didnt realise it was considered rude, but what I was saying is my mail program by default at the moment DOESNT quote so attribution is a bit tougher. It isnt a matter of stripping, which requires actually removing something, in order to quote I copy and paste from a previous email and as a habit havent been putting the last name from who I quoted, though in most cases I do copy the sig which covers that(Which in this case, and previous cases, would have been yours) as I kinda figured most people would know what they wrote within a couple of days. It saves me a bit of typing and time which I dont have to much of. In other words, I trimmed nothing, I just didnt manually retype. Loki Davison is who I am showing in my archives as having a config that compiles that wont run. However I dont think I have gotten an email yet in as far as a non working kernel. In regards to Yves Potion, sorry I havent tried XOrg 7 yet. Seablade From rlrevell at joe-job.com Sat May 13 12:31:48 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Sat May 13 12:31:57 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: -rt IRQ handler priorities In-Reply-To: <44660713.1010001@gmail.com> References: <1146883567.5417.8.camel@localhost> <20060509004750.3f9556ca@mango.fruits> <1147129704.9116.21.camel@mindpipe> <200605090721.06442.woho@woho.de> <4460D52A.8000802@gmail.com> <1147196943.9116.144.camel@mindpipe> <4464E97D.5090503@gmail.com> <1147464937.6535.195.camel@mindpipe> <44655743.5080703@gmail.com> <1147525250.6535.267.camel@mindpipe> <44660713.1010001@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1147537909.6535.279.camel@mindpipe> On Sat, 2006-05-13 at 12:19 -0400, Thomas Vecchione wrote: > my mail > program by default at the moment DOESNT quote so attribution is a bit > tougher ... > It saves me a bit of typing and time which I dont have to much of. Well if you want to have more time it sounds like you should consider upgrading to a better mail client ;-) Lee From christhemonkey at gmail.com Sat May 13 13:00:21 2006 From: christhemonkey at gmail.com (chris beagles) Date: Sat May 13 13:00:28 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Midi and computer freezing In-Reply-To: References: <79eea87e0605121339o2093c41dm2510b7b75057e728@mail.gmail.com> <1147466944.6535.211.camel@mindpipe> <79eea87e0605121353l2e7d0203w4d996df6cdee3d15@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <79eea87e0605131000l30aff70bx925455fe60de78eb@mail.gmail.com> On 5/12/06, Josh Lawrence wrote: > On 5/12/06, chris beagles wrote: > > My kernel is the latest one supplied by ubuntu. > > And my attempts at compiling my own kernels all failed miserably : ) > > I'm writing a HOWTO to address this. Please give it a read at > http://www.hardbop200.com/howto-compiling-an-rt-kernel/ and let me > know if this helps. I haven't conquered the config part yet, so it is > still incomplete. > > -- > Josh Lawrence > http://www.hardbop200.com > Ok i tried using aconnect with no X server running, but, realised that i dont really have any command line midi clients. So i just used aplaymidi -p 64:0 and then had a look at it with aconnect -o And this gave me another hard frozen computer, and no errors displayed onscreen. I shall try compiling my own kernel again at some point. Chris From job17and9 at sbcglobal.net Sat May 13 14:21:31 2006 From: job17and9 at sbcglobal.net (Brian Dunn) Date: Sat May 13 14:21:43 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Midi and computer freezing In-Reply-To: <79eea87e0605131000l30aff70bx925455fe60de78eb@mail.gmail.com> References: <79eea87e0605121339o2093c41dm2510b7b75057e728@mail.gmail.com> <1147466944.6535.211.camel@mindpipe> <79eea87e0605121353l2e7d0203w4d996df6cdee3d15@mail.gmail.com> <79eea87e0605131000l30aff70bx925455fe60de78eb@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <446623AB.7010202@sbcglobal.net> chris beagles wrote: > On 5/12/06, Josh Lawrence wrote: > >> On 5/12/06, chris beagles wrote: >> > My kernel is the latest one supplied by ubuntu. >> > And my attempts at compiling my own kernels all failed miserably : ) >> >> I'm writing a HOWTO to address this. Please give it a read at >> http://www.hardbop200.com/howto-compiling-an-rt-kernel/ and let me >> know if this helps. I haven't conquered the config part yet, so it is >> still incomplete. >> >> -- >> Josh Lawrence >> http://www.hardbop200.com >> > Ok i tried using aconnect with no X server running, but, > realised that i dont really have any command line midi clients. > > So i just used aplaymidi -p 64:0 and then had a look at it with > aconnect -o > And this gave me another hard frozen computer, and no errors displayed > onscreen. > > I shall try compiling my own kernel again at some point. > > Chris > Chris, what is your sound hardware? Do you have a joy/midi port you could use instead? Mine has worked perfectly on my SBLive Value emu10k1. From christhemonkey at gmail.com Sat May 13 15:02:51 2006 From: christhemonkey at gmail.com (chris beagles) Date: Sat May 13 15:03:04 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Midi and computer freezing In-Reply-To: <446623AB.7010202@sbcglobal.net> References: <79eea87e0605121339o2093c41dm2510b7b75057e728@mail.gmail.com> <1147466944.6535.211.camel@mindpipe> <79eea87e0605121353l2e7d0203w4d996df6cdee3d15@mail.gmail.com> <79eea87e0605131000l30aff70bx925455fe60de78eb@mail.gmail.com> <446623AB.7010202@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <79eea87e0605131202s7460a045s22db39b3a1f3895b@mail.gmail.com> On 5/13/06, Brian Dunn wrote: > chris beagles wrote: > > > On 5/12/06, Josh Lawrence wrote: > > > >> On 5/12/06, chris beagles wrote: > >> > My kernel is the latest one supplied by ubuntu. > >> > And my attempts at compiling my own kernels all failed miserably : ) > >> > >> I'm writing a HOWTO to address this. Please give it a read at > >> http://www.hardbop200.com/howto-compiling-an-rt-kernel/ and let me > >> know if this helps. I haven't conquered the config part yet, so it is > >> still incomplete. > >> > >> -- > >> Josh Lawrence > >> http://www.hardbop200.com > >> > > Ok i tried using aconnect with no X server running, but, > > realised that i dont really have any command line midi clients. > > > > So i just used aplaymidi -p 64:0 and then had a look at it with > > aconnect -o > > And this gave me another hard frozen computer, and no errors displayed > > onscreen. > > > > I shall try compiling my own kernel again at some point. > > > > Chris > > > Chris, what is your sound hardware? Do you have a joy/midi port you > could use instead? Mine has worked perfectly on my SBLive Value emu10k1. > That is what i meant i was using : ) I have a Cmedia soundcard. (its cheap and naff but it gets the job done) Oh and whilst im mailing the list, my kernel compiling fails everytime. Complains about undefined symbols. Ingos patch didnt apply very well. Am i meant to use the latest version or subversion kernel from kernel.org? (i mean like 2.6.16 or 2.6.16.16?) Chris From qb at f2s.com Sat May 13 15:35:55 2006 From: qb at f2s.com (Q) Date: Sat May 13 15:36:44 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Denormal problems with some LADSPA plugins In-Reply-To: <200605131540.44281.tito@rumford.de> References: <4464DE4E.1000900@f2s.com> <200605131325.08772.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> <4465D94D.8080702@f2s.com> <200605131540.44281.tito@rumford.de> Message-ID: <4466351B.2020102@f2s.com> Wolfgang Woehl wrote: > Does Ardour's Options -> Misc -> Stop plugins with transport setting make any > difference? > Cheers, I think that might have made a difference -- there's certainly no noise bubbling on the master channel when playback is stopped and I've just managed to play a _really_ intensive track all the way through without anything barfing. Q From juan at nixbox.com.ar Sat May 13 15:57:01 2006 From: juan at nixbox.com.ar (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Juan_Marcelo_Rodr=EDguez?=) Date: Sat May 13 15:52:31 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Fst and Wine problem In-Reply-To: <20060513095945.GF7721@sofa> References: <4464E5EA.8070509@nixbox.com.ar> <20060513095945.GF7721@sofa> Message-ID: <44663A0D.4060207@nixbox.com.ar> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Tim Orford wrote: | On Fri, May 12, 2006 at 04:45:46PM -0300, Juan Marcelo Rodr?guez | wrote: || $ fst Crystal.dll gui_thread_id = 10 The program 'fst.exe.so' || received an X Window System error. This probably reflects a bug || in the program. The error was 'RenderBadPicture (invalid Picture || parameter)'. (Details: serial 8753 error_code 174 request_code || 152 minor_code 7) (Note to programmers: normally, X errors are || reported asynchronously; that is, you will receive the error a || while after causing it. To debug your program, run it with the || --sync command line option to change this behavior. You can then || get a meaningful backtrace from your debugger if you break on the || gdk_x_error() function.) | | I've had similar wine problems this week on a new fedora 5 install | (unrelated to fst). | | On some of my machines, Wine is just broken, while on others it | works great - no idea why. And i agree, it seems difficult to find | information on this. Agreed | | Do you get these X errors running other apps under Wine? | I got similar errors once, with a terminal emulator. However, I dropped this idea because some skilled guys told me that this problem was about Wine. | || Any ideas are welcome. Also If it's OffTopic, I'm going to send || this to the Wine list, but Imho it's more suitable to talk with || people from this list about this. | | Please keep us informed how you get on Sure. Thanks in advance, Juan. | | -- Tim Orford | -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFEZjoCwWB8GXdhYbcRAu2sAJ9y91kYedckNQK/YKmWtnu4hb7AJQCfZVPd 1mwSVDVxQmiHucK9BbXHmX4= =66pj -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From juan at nixbox.com.ar Sat May 13 16:03:03 2006 From: juan at nixbox.com.ar (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Juan_Marcelo_Rodr=EDguez?=) Date: Sat May 13 15:58:20 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Fst and Wine problem In-Reply-To: <20060513124754.GA8315@mobilat> References: <4464E5EA.8070509@nixbox.com.ar> <20060513124754.GA8315@mobilat> Message-ID: <44663B77.4010406@nixbox.com.ar> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 torbenh@gmx.de wrote: | On Fri, May 12, 2006 at 04:45:46PM -0300, Juan Marcelo Rodr?guez | wrote: Hello, I'm trying to work with FST to load some VST | instruments. The GUI starts OK, and if I don't change the preset, | or If I don't modify any key of the virtual synth in case, it | works. | | But, for example, with Crystal, a widely-know working Synth, I can | start the synth, and also I can setup connections through qjackctl, | and it works nice; but when I try to change the preset it fails, | as all the other plugins later or sonnner do, the error message is: | | | $ fst Crystal.dll gui_thread_id = 10 The program 'fst.exe.so' | received an X Window System error. This probably reflects a bug in | the program. The error was 'RenderBadPicture (invalid Picture | parameter)'. (Details: serial 8753 error_code 174 request_code 152 | minor_code 7) (Note to programmers: normally, X errors are reported | asynchronously; that is, you will receive the error a while after | causing it. To debug your program, run it with the --sync command | line option to change this behavior. You can then get a meaningful | backtrace from your debugger if you break on the gdk_x_error() | function.) | | | Sometimes this error "breaks" the environment and I need to restart | all the apps to get it working again. | | I talk with the one of the FST developers, and he suggested me that | is a Wine problem. I searched the net and I didn't find too much | information about. | || mmhmm... who said it was a wine problem ? this rather looks like || a gtk problem... It may be. Read the last mail to see why I guessed it's a Wine problem. | || what version of gtk are you using ? I'm using gtk+-1.2.10, GTK+ version 2 2-2.8.17, gtk-engines-2.6.5, gtk-sharp-1.0.6, gtkhtml-3.8.0, gtkmm-2.8.0, gtksourceview-1.4.1, gtksourceview-sharp-0.5. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFEZjt2wWB8GXdhYbcRAlmmAJ0Q3PkpZde23ct4eFn9DPGET00IBACfVV5E UrqsB54OoMgF62hOBb86N90= =9FhO -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From hardbop200 at gmail.com Sat May 13 16:12:13 2006 From: hardbop200 at gmail.com (Josh Lawrence) Date: Sat May 13 16:12:21 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Midi and computer freezing In-Reply-To: <79eea87e0605131202s7460a045s22db39b3a1f3895b@mail.gmail.com> References: <79eea87e0605121339o2093c41dm2510b7b75057e728@mail.gmail.com> <1147466944.6535.211.camel@mindpipe> <79eea87e0605121353l2e7d0203w4d996df6cdee3d15@mail.gmail.com> <79eea87e0605131000l30aff70bx925455fe60de78eb@mail.gmail.com> <446623AB.7010202@sbcglobal.net> <79eea87e0605131202s7460a045s22db39b3a1f3895b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On 5/13/06, chris beagles wrote: > Oh and whilst im mailing the list, my kernel compiling fails everytime. > Complains about undefined symbols. > > Ingos patch didnt apply very well. > Am i meant to use the latest version or subversion kernel from kernel.org? > (i mean like 2.6.16 or 2.6.16.16?) Chris, I just went through this *exact* same issue with the list. I've compiled the answers here: http://www.hardbop200.com/howto-compiling-an-rt-kernel/ -- Josh Lawrence http://www.hardbop200.com From dominic.sacre at gmx.de Sat May 13 16:13:36 2006 From: dominic.sacre at gmx.de (Dominic =?iso-8859-1?q?Sacr=E9?=) Date: Sat May 13 16:16:30 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Alsa Midi patchbay/processor In-Reply-To: <446592B3.4060101@kabelfoon.net> References: <200605130214.42706.dominic.sacre@gmx.de> <446592B3.4060101@kabelfoon.net> Message-ID: <200605132213.36670.dominic.sacre@gmx.de> On Saturday, 13. May 2006 10:02, Bert Visser wrote: > > I'm looking for some kind of midi patchbay (in software, using alsa), > > that can also process midi events, like, for example, converting note > > on to control change events, etc. > > > > In particular, I'd like to be able to: > > > > - route midi events between input and output ports, and activate > > different setups by sending midi messages > > - split midi channels, e.g. to send the upper part of a keyboard to > > one output port, and the lower part to another > > - change midi velocity curves > > - convert sustain pedal (cc 64) to appropriate note off events (I > > know this one is very specific) > > > > Is there any tool (or set of tools) that can do this? > > Try Qmidiroute; you can get it at http://alsamodular.sourceforge.net/ Thanks, Qmidiroute seems to let me do at least some of the things I'm looking for. But what's missing for me is, most importantly, the ability to switch between different setups, controlled via midi. So if there's something that I can use in addition to (or instead of) Qmidiroute to do this, please let me know! Dominic From christhemonkey at gmail.com Sat May 13 17:01:26 2006 From: christhemonkey at gmail.com (chris beagles) Date: Sat May 13 17:01:35 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Midi and computer freezing In-Reply-To: References: <79eea87e0605121339o2093c41dm2510b7b75057e728@mail.gmail.com> <1147466944.6535.211.camel@mindpipe> <79eea87e0605121353l2e7d0203w4d996df6cdee3d15@mail.gmail.com> <79eea87e0605131000l30aff70bx925455fe60de78eb@mail.gmail.com> <446623AB.7010202@sbcglobal.net> <79eea87e0605131202s7460a045s22db39b3a1f3895b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <79eea87e0605131401l5408f99w2cb630c89b6461c9@mail.gmail.com> On 5/13/06, Josh Lawrence wrote: > On 5/13/06, chris beagles wrote: > > Oh and whilst im mailing the list, my kernel compiling fails everytime. > > Complains about undefined symbols. > > > > Ingos patch didnt apply very well. > > Am i meant to use the latest version or subversion kernel from kernel.org? > > (i mean like 2.6.16 or 2.6.16.16?) > > Chris, > > I just went through this *exact* same issue with the list. I've > compiled the answers here: > http://www.hardbop200.com/howto-compiling-an-rt-kernel/ Ok, very sorry, didnt get time to check out your post before! Just come back from a gig. Now iv read it, whilst i was out i tried compiling the 2.6.16-rt21 patch against 2.6.16 It patched fine, but when it came to compiling it failed. Again errors about undefined symbols in config, although this time it got a lot further! Chris (very sorry if im repeating issues that have already been adressed, but i cant for the life of me find the lau mail archive!) > > -- > Josh Lawrence > http://www.hardbop200.com > From pshirkey at boosthardware.com Sat May 13 17:03:33 2006 From: pshirkey at boosthardware.com (Patrick Shirkey) Date: Sat May 13 17:04:00 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Hola =?ISO-8859-1?Q?amigos=2Cm=E1s_m=FA?= =?ISO-8859-1?Q?sica____-______Hello_world=2Cit=27s?= =?ISO-8859-1?Q?_time_for_music_again?= In-Reply-To: <20060513053307.GA10019@mccormick.cx> References: <44648276.1090801@gmail.com> <20060513053307.GA10019@mccormick.cx> Message-ID: <446649A5.7030907@boosthardware.com> Chris McCormick wrote: > On Fri, May 12, 2006 at 02:41:26PM +0200, Carlos Pino wrote: >> http://www.telefonica.net/web2/pinojazz/open_horizon.ogg > > Very nice! > I agree. Nice work Carlos. Smooth and soulful :) -- Patrick Shirkey - Boost Hardware Ltd. Http://www.boosthardware.com Http://www.djcj.org/LAU/guide/ - The Linux Audio Users guide ======================================== "Anything your mind can see you can manifest physically, then it will become reality" - Macka B From rlrevell at joe-job.com Sat May 13 17:07:33 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Sat May 13 17:07:49 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Midi and computer freezing In-Reply-To: <79eea87e0605131401l5408f99w2cb630c89b6461c9@mail.gmail.com> References: <79eea87e0605121339o2093c41dm2510b7b75057e728@mail.gmail.com> <1147466944.6535.211.camel@mindpipe> <79eea87e0605121353l2e7d0203w4d996df6cdee3d15@mail.gmail.com> <79eea87e0605131000l30aff70bx925455fe60de78eb@mail.gmail.com> <446623AB.7010202@sbcglobal.net> <79eea87e0605131202s7460a045s22db39b3a1f3895b@mail.gmail.com> <79eea87e0605131401l5408f99w2cb630c89b6461c9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1147554453.6535.311.camel@mindpipe> On Sat, 2006-05-13 at 22:01 +0100, chris beagles wrote: > It patched fine, but when it came to compiling it failed. > Again errors about undefined symbols in config, although this time it > got a lot further! > Try 2.6.17-rc4 (unpatched) Lee From rlrevell at joe-job.com Sat May 13 17:13:38 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Sat May 13 17:14:01 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Midi and computer freezing In-Reply-To: <79eea87e0605131401l5408f99w2cb630c89b6461c9@mail.gmail.com> References: <79eea87e0605121339o2093c41dm2510b7b75057e728@mail.gmail.com> <1147466944.6535.211.camel@mindpipe> <79eea87e0605121353l2e7d0203w4d996df6cdee3d15@mail.gmail.com> <79eea87e0605131000l30aff70bx925455fe60de78eb@mail.gmail.com> <446623AB.7010202@sbcglobal.net> <79eea87e0605131202s7460a045s22db39b3a1f3895b@mail.gmail.com> <79eea87e0605131401l5408f99w2cb630c89b6461c9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1147554819.6535.314.camel@mindpipe> On Sat, 2006-05-13 at 22:01 +0100, chris beagles wrote: > > (very sorry if im repeating issues that have already been adressed, > but i cant for the life of me find the lau mail archive!) > http://lalists.stanford.edu/lau/2006/ From christhemonkey at gmail.com Sat May 13 17:14:17 2006 From: christhemonkey at gmail.com (chris beagles) Date: Sat May 13 17:14:51 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Midi and computer freezing In-Reply-To: <1147554453.6535.311.camel@mindpipe> References: <79eea87e0605121339o2093c41dm2510b7b75057e728@mail.gmail.com> <1147466944.6535.211.camel@mindpipe> <79eea87e0605121353l2e7d0203w4d996df6cdee3d15@mail.gmail.com> <79eea87e0605131000l30aff70bx925455fe60de78eb@mail.gmail.com> <446623AB.7010202@sbcglobal.net> <79eea87e0605131202s7460a045s22db39b3a1f3895b@mail.gmail.com> <79eea87e0605131401l5408f99w2cb630c89b6461c9@mail.gmail.com> <1147554453.6535.311.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <79eea87e0605131414w5b63026at5a2291bebf87a878@mail.gmail.com> On 5/13/06, Lee Revell wrote: > On Sat, 2006-05-13 at 22:01 +0100, chris beagles wrote: > > It patched fine, but when it came to compiling it failed. > > Again errors about undefined symbols in config, although this time it > > got a lot further! > > > > Try 2.6.17-rc4 (unpatched) > Ok trying that one now. Do i just apply the release candidate patch to the vanilla 2.6.16? Never was any good at this whole kernel compiling thing, cheers for your patience guys! (and gals) > Lee > Chris From rlrevell at joe-job.com Sat May 13 17:19:04 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Sat May 13 17:19:27 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Midi and computer freezing In-Reply-To: <79eea87e0605131414w5b63026at5a2291bebf87a878@mail.gmail.com> References: <79eea87e0605121339o2093c41dm2510b7b75057e728@mail.gmail.com> <1147466944.6535.211.camel@mindpipe> <79eea87e0605121353l2e7d0203w4d996df6cdee3d15@mail.gmail.com> <79eea87e0605131000l30aff70bx925455fe60de78eb@mail.gmail.com> <446623AB.7010202@sbcglobal.net> <79eea87e0605131202s7460a045s22db39b3a1f3895b@mail.gmail.com> <79eea87e0605131401l5408f99w2cb630c89b6461c9@mail.gmail.com> <1147554453.6535.311.camel@mindpipe> <79eea87e0605131414w5b63026at5a2291bebf87a878@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1147555145.6535.319.camel@mindpipe> On Sat, 2006-05-13 at 22:14 +0100, chris beagles wrote: > On 5/13/06, Lee Revell wrote: > > On Sat, 2006-05-13 at 22:01 +0100, chris beagles wrote: > > > It patched fine, but when it came to compiling it failed. > > > Again errors about undefined symbols in config, although this time it > > > got a lot further! > > > > > > > Try 2.6.17-rc4 (unpatched) > > > > Ok trying that one now. > Do i just apply the release candidate patch to the vanilla 2.6.16? > Yes. > Never was any good at this whole kernel compiling thing, cheers for > your patience guys! (and gals) > I think you are on to something, there was an identical unresolved report just a week ago. It's definitely a kernel/ALSA bug, we need to confirm it's present in the latest version now > > Lee > > > Chris > From folderol at ukfsn.org Sat May 13 17:27:58 2006 From: folderol at ukfsn.org (Folderol) Date: Sat May 13 17:26:48 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: [a-users] Hola =?iso-8859-1?q?amigos=2Cm=E1s_m=FAsica?= - Hello world,it's time for music again In-Reply-To: <44648276.1090801@gmail.com> References: <44648276.1090801@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20060513222758.1575967d@office> On Fri, 12 May 2006 14:41:26 +0200 Carlos Pino wrote: > Muchas gracias a _*todos*_ los que pon?is empe?o en la libertad,ah? > va mi peque?a aportaci?n a este magn?fico mundo. > > I want to give a big big *_thank you_* to all that people who make my > life easier for making music and "making" freedom,you know who you are. > (excuse my english) > > Ardour,Muse,Qjackctl,Qsynth,Hydrogen,Seq24,Zynaddsubfx,Jamin,Linux,Debian,Musix,Demudi,PlanetCCRMA... > > grace,obrigado,thank you,tanke,tak,mercy..... > > > > http://www.telefonica.net/web2/pinojazz/open_horizon.ogg Nice one. It's in my permanent collection now :) -- F From folderol at ukfsn.org Sat May 13 17:30:05 2006 From: folderol at ukfsn.org (Folderol) Date: Sat May 13 17:29:47 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Mastering without mastering In-Reply-To: <200605061742.09148.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> References: <1146923663.15364.68.camel@mindpipe> <20060506152012.01934823@office> <200605061742.09148.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> Message-ID: <20060513223005.3480882b@office> On Sat, 6 May 2006 17:42:08 +0200 Nigel Henry wrote: > On Saturday 06 May 2006 16:20, Folderol wrote: > > On Sat, 06 May 2006 09:54:23 -0400 > > > > Lee Revell wrote: > > > On Sat, 2006-05-06 at 13:29 +0100, James McDermott wrote: > > > > Did anyone ever hear of The Mark Kramer Band? - not sure if it's the > > > > same Mark Kramer or not - I had an ep by the band about 10 years ago, > > > > it was really great, in the style of Jeff Buckley but bluesier... > > > > there were tracks called Dust Bowl Rain and Wild Prairie Dog. > > > > > > > > No results from Google... > > > > > > I doubt it's the same Kramer - the Mark Kramer I know makes music that's > > > aggressively weird, too weird for my tastes. The closest thing to a > > > blues I heard them do was the country fried Bongwater cover of the 13th > > > Floor Elevators "Splash 1" > > > > > > Lee > > > > I remember Billy J Kramer but that was a loooong time ago, and very > > mainstream! > > Hi Folderol. Me too, and still have Billy J Kramer and the Dakotas, " Do you > want to know a secret" . Written by Lennon and Mc Cartney, but always thought > Billy J's version was better than the Beatles version. > > And do you remember the Philip's 45 record player, that you could install in > your car? Just like a cd player, but you posted 45's in the slot. > > Nigel. Nope, but I do remember the player they produced that played LPs vertically! Tracking force was about 15g and you could almost see the plastic being scraped off :( -- F From bjesus at gmail.com Sat May 13 17:35:06 2006 From: bjesus at gmail.com (Yo'av Moshe) Date: Sat May 13 17:35:13 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Firewire devices and Linux In-Reply-To: <4465DCCB.6010309@joow.be> References: <446497F0.30508@joow.be> <20060512155548.GC8670@slinkp.com> <4464B881.4000800@joow.be> <20060512165607.GD8670@slinkp.com> <4465DCCB.6010309@joow.be> Message-ID: Hey, thanks for all the respones. I guess I'll go with FreeBoB then, and find a device that suites me the best and is on the Supported Devices list. I'd like to contribute to the FreeBoB, but probably that's off-topic so I'll contact Pieter personally. Thanks again! Yo'av Moshe From eviltwin69 at cableone.net Sat May 13 17:28:45 2006 From: eviltwin69 at cableone.net (Jan Depner) Date: Sat May 13 17:36:40 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Hola =?ISO-8859-1?Q?amigos=2Cm=E1s?= =?ISO-8859-1?Q?_m=FAsica?= - Hello world, it's time for music again In-Reply-To: <44649C86.7030209@rncbc.org> References: <44648276.1090801@gmail.com> <44649C86.7030209@rncbc.org> Message-ID: <1147555725.8986.0.camel@eviltwin> On Fri, 2006-05-12 at 15:32 +0100, Rui Nuno Capela wrote: > Carlos Pino wrote: > > Muchas gracias a _*todos*_ los que pon?is empe?o en la libertad,ah? va > > mi peque?a aportaci?n a este magn?fico mundo. > > > > I want to give a big big *_thank you_* to all that people who make my > > life easier for making music and "making" freedom,you know who you are. > > (excuse my english) > > > > Ardour,Muse,Qjackctl,Qsynth,Hydrogen,Seq24,Zynaddsubfx,Jamin,Linux,Debian,Musix,Demudi,PlanetCCRMA... > > > > > > grace,obrigado,thank you,tanke,tak,mercy..... > > > > > > > > http://www.telefonica.net/web2/pinojazz/open_horizon.ogg > > > > Damn you, Carlos -- envy is killing me smoothly ;) > > Just thinking that you're using some of my code (yet again:) just makes > it all worth of my time :P > > I really love your style. When's that album coming out? Wow! Great stuff. I too am wondering when the album is coming out. -- Jan 'Evil Twin' Depner The Fuzzy Dice http://myweb.cableone.net/eviltwin69/fuzzy.html "As we enjoy great advantages from the invention of others, we should be glad of an opportunity to serve others by any invention of ours, and this we should do freely and generously." Benjamin Franklin, on declining patents offered by the governor of Pennsylvania for his "Pennsylvania Fireplace", c. 1744 From eviltwin69 at cableone.net Sat May 13 17:33:53 2006 From: eviltwin69 at cableone.net (Jan Depner) Date: Sat May 13 17:41:19 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Hola =?ISO-8859-1?Q?amigos=2Cm=E1s?= =?ISO-8859-1?Q?_m=FAsica?= - Hello world, it's time for music again In-Reply-To: <1147555725.8986.0.camel@eviltwin> References: <44648276.1090801@gmail.com> <44649C86.7030209@rncbc.org> <1147555725.8986.0.camel@eviltwin> Message-ID: <1147556033.8986.2.camel@eviltwin> On Sat, 2006-05-13 at 16:28 -0500, Jan Depner wrote: > On Fri, 2006-05-12 at 15:32 +0100, Rui Nuno Capela wrote: > > Carlos Pino wrote: > > > Muchas gracias a _*todos*_ los que pon?is empe?o en la libertad,ah? va > > > mi peque?a aportaci?n a este magn?fico mundo. > > > > > > I want to give a big big *_thank you_* to all that people who make my > > > life easier for making music and "making" freedom,you know who you are. > > > (excuse my english) > > > > > > Ardour,Muse,Qjackctl,Qsynth,Hydrogen,Seq24,Zynaddsubfx,Jamin,Linux,Debian,Musix,Demudi,PlanetCCRMA... > > > > > > > > > grace,obrigado,thank you,tanke,tak,mercy..... > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.telefonica.net/web2/pinojazz/open_horizon.ogg > > > > > > > Damn you, Carlos -- envy is killing me smoothly ;) > > > > Just thinking that you're using some of my code (yet again:) just makes > > it all worth of my time :P > > > > I really love your style. When's that album coming out? > > Wow! Great stuff. I too am wondering when the album is coming out. > Oh, I forgot to mention - the guitar style reminds me of Gabor Szabo (my all-time favorite guitarist). -- Jan 'Evil Twin' Depner The Fuzzy Dice http://myweb.cableone.net/eviltwin69/fuzzy.html "As we enjoy great advantages from the invention of others, we should be glad of an opportunity to serve others by any invention of ours, and this we should do freely and generously." Benjamin Franklin, on declining patents offered by the governor of Pennsylvania for his "Pennsylvania Fireplace", c. 1744 From ireneshusband at yahoo.co.uk Sat May 13 18:21:35 2006 From: ireneshusband at yahoo.co.uk (Robert Persson) Date: Sat May 13 18:21:41 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] rt-sources and cpufreq; rt-sources and realtime-lsm Message-ID: <200605131521.35899.ireneshusband@yahoo.co.uk> I have just built a kernel from the rt-sources-2.6.16-rt21 ebuild from the gentoo proaudio overlay. I used more or less the same config as I used for my previous 2.6.15-gentoo kernel (with custom reiser4 and suspend2 patches), except of course for the bits to do with preemption. With the previous kernel, cpu frequency scaling worked (despite a message I always got on boot telling me that it didn't). But with the new one it really doesn't work. Is this a know issue? I read one post from some other list suggesting that it was an issue for much earlier versions of the 2.6 kernel, but I couldn't really work out what was going on there. Also, there was a thread on this list a little while back which said that the realtime-lsm module is now deprecated. If this is so, what should I do instead to get realtime rights for non-root users? Many thanks robert -- Robert Persson Conspiracy Bears: Once upon a time there were lots of conspiracy bears... From mariusjanssen at gmx.de Sat May 13 18:22:14 2006 From: mariusjanssen at gmx.de (Marius) Date: Sat May 13 18:21:59 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Hola =?ISO-8859-1?Q?amigos=2Cm=E1s_m=FA?= =?ISO-8859-1?Q?sica____-______Hello_world=2Cit=27s?= =?ISO-8859-1?Q?_time_for_music_again?= In-Reply-To: <44648276.1090801@gmail.com> References: <44648276.1090801@gmail.com> Message-ID: <44665C16.8020506@gmx.de> Carlos Pino schrieb: > Muchas gracias a _*todos*_ los que pon?is empe?o en la libertad,ah? > va mi peque?a aportaci?n a este magn?fico mundo. > > I want to give a big big *_thank you_* to all that people who make my > life easier for making music and "making" freedom,you know who you > are. (excuse my english) > > Ardour,Muse,Qjackctl,Qsynth,Hydrogen,Seq24,Zynaddsubfx,Jamin,Linux,Debian,Musix,Demudi,PlanetCCRMA... > > > grace,obrigado,thank you,tanke,tak,mercy..... > > > > http://www.telefonica.net/web2/pinojazz/open_horizon.ogg > > > Saludos. > --Carlos > > Thanks Carlos! This is so beautiful. I enjoyed it twice because of my birthday yesterday and the weather here in germany staying almost dry to make barbecue, take a couple of drinks and relax. This is real holiday music. Thank you!! God bless you, Marius From plutek at infinity.net Sat May 13 18:26:28 2006 From: plutek at infinity.net (plutek) Date: Sat May 13 18:27:09 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] mx44 midi controller input Message-ID: <20060513182628.2f6081a2@localhost> greetings! i am very much enjoying working with mx44 (http://hem.passagen.se/ja_linux/), but am wondering if any of you know whether or not incoming midi controller data can be routed to the many control parameters in this softsynth. the console from which the program is started shows all incoming controller data in realtime, but i cannot find any means to assign that data to synth parameters. note on/off messages and pitch bend do work, so i know midi data is available to the synth - perhaps it's not programmed to accept other controller data? i've written to Jens, but have no response yet. if anyone has any helpful experience with this wonderful software, i'd be delighted to hear it. many thanks in advance! .pltk. From fbar at footils.org Sun May 14 03:42:58 2006 From: fbar at footils.org (Frank Barknecht) Date: Sun May 14 03:43:10 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Alsa Midi patchbay/processor In-Reply-To: <200605132213.36670.dominic.sacre@gmx.de> References: <200605130214.42706.dominic.sacre@gmx.de> <446592B3.4060101@kabelfoon.net> <200605132213.36670.dominic.sacre@gmx.de> Message-ID: <20060514074258.GE18479@fliwatut.scifi> Hallo, Dominic Sacr? hat gesagt: // Dominic Sacr? wrote: > On Saturday, 13. May 2006 10:02, Bert Visser wrote: > > Try Qmidiroute; you can get it at http://alsamodular.sourceforge.net/ > > Thanks, Qmidiroute seems to let me do at least some of the things I'm > looking for. But what's missing for me is, most importantly, the ability > to switch between different setups, controlled via midi. > > So if there's something that I can use in addition to (or instead of) > Qmidiroute to do this, please let me know! You could use Pd to build yourself a custom midi transformer. Pd can do everything, that qmidiroute does, as well, but you need to learn the Pd language a bit. It shouldn't be too hard, though. One afternoon with the manual and the example patches should be enough to let you build a midi router in Pd yourself (It only needs a handful of Pd objects anyway). Ciao -- Frank Barknecht _ ______footils.org_ __goto10.org__ From christhemonkey at gmail.com Sun May 14 04:23:00 2006 From: christhemonkey at gmail.com (chris beagles) Date: Sun May 14 04:23:12 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Midi and computer freezing In-Reply-To: <1147555145.6535.319.camel@mindpipe> References: <79eea87e0605121339o2093c41dm2510b7b75057e728@mail.gmail.com> <79eea87e0605131000l30aff70bx925455fe60de78eb@mail.gmail.com> <446623AB.7010202@sbcglobal.net> <79eea87e0605131202s7460a045s22db39b3a1f3895b@mail.gmail.com> <79eea87e0605131401l5408f99w2cb630c89b6461c9@mail.gmail.com> <1147554453.6535.311.camel@mindpipe> <79eea87e0605131414w5b63026at5a2291bebf87a878@mail.gmail.com> <1147555145.6535.319.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <79eea87e0605140123m5df359b7rf592a56f66fcaec3@mail.gmail.com> On 5/13/06, Lee Revell wrote: > On Sat, 2006-05-13 at 22:14 +0100, chris beagles wrote: > > On 5/13/06, Lee Revell wrote: > > > On Sat, 2006-05-13 at 22:01 +0100, chris beagles wrote: > > > > It patched fine, but when it came to compiling it failed. > > > > Again errors about undefined symbols in config, although this time it > > > > got a lot further! > > > > > > > > > > Try 2.6.17-rc4 (unpatched) > > > > > > > Ok trying that one now. > > Do i just apply the release candidate patch to the vanilla 2.6.16? > > > > Yes. > > > Never was any good at this whole kernel compiling thing, cheers for > > your patience guys! (and gals) > > > Ok, last night, i was waiting for the rc4 to download and so decided to try again to patch and compile a kernel using 2.6.16 and ingos patch. Left it going overnight, and this morning i have my own working realtime preemptible kernel! It installs, boots and works (nearly) fine. But... It still hard locks when i try and connect my midi port to anything with qjackctl. (and also wont let me log in, goes straight back to gdm, but i can live with that) So back to the original problem. I am unsure what to try next. Maybe, as i have two soundcards. one builtin and the cmedia one, and they each hav a gameport/midi connection on them, maybe they are providing conflicting irqs or something? As i said i am unsure and a little out of my depth. > I think you are on to something, there was an identical unresolved > report just a week ago. It's definitely a kernel/ALSA bug, we need to > confirm it's present in the latest version now Anyone else getting this? > > > > Lee > > > > > Chris > > > > From vfunc at talktalk.net Sun May 14 06:41:37 2006 From: vfunc at talktalk.net (Daniel) Date: Sun May 14 06:41:50 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: segmentation fault using miniFMsynth test program Message-ID: <001901c67742$fa289bb0$d0fe0d54@DANSHOME> Thanks OK miniFMsynth did not seem to like the parameters when it is run via gdb, it just relayed the parameter usage message miniFMsynth don't I have to tell gdb what the parameters are ? How do I check my version of alsa ? From music at chemie.fu-berlin.de Sun May 14 08:19:16 2006 From: music at chemie.fu-berlin.de (Michael Iber) Date: Sun May 14 08:19:12 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] LAC-Konzertreport auf SWR2 15.5. 23h (German only) Message-ID: <44672044.8090300@chemie.fu-berlin.de> Hi lists, my little report on the lac-concerts and some other subjects of the lac in Karlsruhe will be broadcasted tomorrow on SWR2 JetztMusik Magazin at 23h. Michael From dlphillips at woh.rr.com Sun May 14 08:24:45 2006 From: dlphillips at woh.rr.com (Dave Phillips) Date: Sun May 14 08:21:32 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Alsa Midi patchbay/processor In-Reply-To: <20060514074258.GE18479@fliwatut.scifi> References: <200605130214.42706.dominic.sacre@gmx.de> <446592B3.4060101@kabelfoon.net> <200605132213.36670.dominic.sacre@gmx.de> <20060514074258.GE18479@fliwatut.scifi> Message-ID: <4467218D.1070005@woh.rr.com> Frank Barknecht wrote: >Hallo, >Dominic Sacr? hat gesagt: // Dominic Sacr? wrote: > > > >>On Saturday, 13. May 2006 10:02, Bert Visser wrote: >> >> >>>Try Qmidiroute; you can get it at http://alsamodular.sourceforge.net/ >>> >>> >>Thanks, Qmidiroute seems to let me do at least some of the things I'm >>looking for. But what's missing for me is, most importantly, the ability >>to switch between different setups, controlled via midi. >> >>So if there's something that I can use in addition to (or instead of) >>Qmidiroute to do this, please let me know! >> >> > >You could use Pd to build yourself a custom midi transformer. Pd can >do everything, that qmidiroute does, as well, but you need to learn >the Pd language a bit. It shouldn't be too hard, though. One afternoon >with the manual and the example patches should be enough to let you >build a midi router in Pd yourself (It only needs a handful of Pd >objects anyway). > > I've asked for this type of utility a few times before. Qmidiroute and midirgui do some of what I've asked for but no stand-alone app does what the Yamaha MEP4 did, i.e., rechannelize, convert from one controller type to another, value scaling, event filtering, etc. It seems like these functions should be rather easy to add to an app like midirgui. I think most of the math is simple integer stuff. Yes, Pd can do all this, but you have to have Pd on your machine. I love Pd, but unless it can generate a stand-alone application (that doesn't require Pd) then it isn't really meeting the need. It's a shame Matthias stopped writing his MIDI utilities. I've tried to reach "holborn" (aka the author of midirgui) but had no success. A software clone of the MEP4 clone would be a very sweet MIDI utility. Perhaps a bounty would convince a developer to spend an afternoon writing such a tool ? Best, dp From fbar at footils.org Sun May 14 09:18:18 2006 From: fbar at footils.org (Frank Barknecht) Date: Sun May 14 09:18:20 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Alsa Midi patchbay/processor In-Reply-To: <4467218D.1070005@woh.rr.com> References: <200605130214.42706.dominic.sacre@gmx.de> <446592B3.4060101@kabelfoon.net> <200605132213.36670.dominic.sacre@gmx.de> <20060514074258.GE18479@fliwatut.scifi> <4467218D.1070005@woh.rr.com> Message-ID: <20060514131817.GA18996@fliwatut.scifi> Hallo, Dave Phillips hat gesagt: // Dave Phillips wrote: > Yes, Pd can do all this, but you have to have Pd on your machine. I love > Pd, but unless it can generate a stand-alone application (that doesn't > require Pd) then it isn't really meeting the need. I kindly disagree here: Why should a standalone app be better than having an application written in a glue language like Pd is here? Using Pd the way I proposed is similar to using a Python or Perl script. Yes, you need to have Perl or Python installed, but these are pretty standard on every distribution. IMO Pd is pretty standard as well on a Linux musician's computer. And for this midi route stuff no Pd externals are needed. Not everyone can programm in Python or Perl, and especially GUI programming can be tricky with both, however GUI programming in Pd really is trivial. The real advantage of using Pd or whatever "scripting language" is that one is not bound to the ideas the programmer had, who wrote the midi translator: It's easy to add or remove features. IMO there is no need for a developer to spend an afternoon writing something like Qmidiroute, when in Pd custom translators can be built in a couple of seconds. And one doesn't even have to be a Pd meister for doing it. Proof: [notein] | | [pgmout] This "patch" translates every note played to a program-change. Ciao -- Frank Barknecht _ ______footils.org_ __goto10.org__ From ce at christeck.de Sun May 14 09:59:28 2006 From: ce at christeck.de (Christoph Eckert) Date: Sun May 14 09:57:53 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Alsa Midi patchbay/processor In-Reply-To: <4467218D.1070005@woh.rr.com> References: <200605130214.42706.dominic.sacre@gmx.de> <20060514074258.GE18479@fliwatut.scifi> <4467218D.1070005@woh.rr.com> Message-ID: <200605141559.29455.ce@christeck.de> > I've asked for this type of utility a few times before. Qmidiroute > and midirgui do some of what I've asked for but no stand-alone app > does what the Yamaha MEP4 did, i.e., rechannelize, convert from one > controller type to another, value scaling, event filtering, etc. It > seems like these functions should be rather easy to add to an app > like midirgui. I think most of the math is simple integer stuff. using Qt4 and RtMidi, it should be easy to create such an app. You "only" need someone who has the time to do it :) . Best regards ce From sunnan at handgranat.org Sun May 14 11:22:48 2006 From: sunnan at handgranat.org (sunnan@handgranat.org) Date: Sun May 14 11:23:04 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Alsa Midi patchbay/processor In-Reply-To: <4467218D.1070005@woh.rr.com> References: <200605130214.42706.dominic.sacre@gmx.de> <446592B3.4060101@kabelfoon.net> <200605132213.36670.dominic.sacre@gmx.de> <20060514074258.GE18479@fliwatut.scifi> <4467218D.1070005@woh.rr.com> Message-ID: <2416.85.226.146.64.1147620168.squirrel@handgranat.org> > Yes, Pd can do all this, but you have to have Pd on your machine. I love > Pd, but unless it can generate a stand-alone application (that doesn't > require Pd) then it isn't really meeting the need. ?!?!? qmidiroute requires qt and the c library. I haven't seen a stand-alone app since the 8-bit era. From ico.bukvic at gmail.com Sun May 14 12:06:55 2006 From: ico.bukvic at gmail.com (Ivica Ico Bukvic) Date: Sun May 14 12:07:10 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Alsa Midi patchbay/processor In-Reply-To: <4467218D.1070005@woh.rr.com> Message-ID: <000401c67770$6e42ec80$3402a8c0@64BitBadass> > I've asked for this type of utility a few times before. Qmidiroute and > midirgui do some of what I've asked for but no stand-alone app does what > the Yamaha MEP4 did, i.e., rechannelize, convert from one controller > type to another, value scaling, event filtering, etc. It seems like > these functions should be rather easy to add to an app like midirgui. I > think most of the math is simple integer stuff. > > Yes, Pd can do all this, but you have to have Pd on your machine. I love > Pd, but unless it can generate a stand-alone application (that doesn't > require Pd) then it isn't really meeting the need. > > It's a shame Matthias stopped writing his MIDI utilities. I've tried to > reach "holborn" (aka the author of midirgui) but had no success. > > A software clone of the MEP4 clone would be a very sweet MIDI utility. > Perhaps a bounty would convince a developer to spend an afternoon > writing such a tool ? Hey Dave, Although RTMix has not been updated for a while, you can do this in 3 lines of script and do so not only for MIDI->MIDI, but also for any combinations of MIDI, OSC, generic network protocol and computer keyboard events. You can also involve any type of MIDI/OSC/network-capable controller, keyboard keys, and/or 6 different types of random number generation to alter parameters of a particular data conversion. Actually, come to think of it, you might be able to do some of what you are trying to do in 1 line...* *Obligatory handicap: the only real nuisance with RTMix is that it's still using the old /dev/midi junk, but you can alleviate that easily with the virmidi module. If interested, see tutorials for more info, and if that fails, please do not hesitate to bug me ;-) Ico From christhemonkey at gmail.com Sun May 14 12:21:49 2006 From: christhemonkey at gmail.com (chris beagles) Date: Sun May 14 12:22:04 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Midi and computer freezing In-Reply-To: <79eea87e0605140123m5df359b7rf592a56f66fcaec3@mail.gmail.com> References: <79eea87e0605121339o2093c41dm2510b7b75057e728@mail.gmail.com> <79eea87e0605131000l30aff70bx925455fe60de78eb@mail.gmail.com> <446623AB.7010202@sbcglobal.net> <79eea87e0605131202s7460a045s22db39b3a1f3895b@mail.gmail.com> <79eea87e0605131401l5408f99w2cb630c89b6461c9@mail.gmail.com> <1147554453.6535.311.camel@mindpipe> <79eea87e0605131414w5b63026at5a2291bebf87a878@mail.gmail.com> <1147555145.6535.319.camel@mindpipe> <79eea87e0605140123m5df359b7rf592a56f66fcaec3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <79eea87e0605140921q69a12d07t6afa948cc809ec8d@mail.gmail.com> On 5/14/06, chris beagles wrote: > On 5/13/06, Lee Revell wrote: > > On Sat, 2006-05-13 at 22:14 +0100, chris beagles wrote: > > > On 5/13/06, Lee Revell wrote: > > > > On Sat, 2006-05-13 at 22:01 +0100, chris beagles wrote: > > > > > It patched fine, but when it came to compiling it failed. > > > > > Again errors about undefined symbols in config, although this time it > > > > > got a lot further! > > > > > > > > > > > > > Try 2.6.17-rc4 (unpatched) > > > > > > > > > > Ok trying that one now. > > > Do i just apply the release candidate patch to the vanilla 2.6.16? > > > > > > > Yes. > > > > > Never was any good at this whole kernel compiling thing, cheers for > > > your patience guys! (and gals) > > > > > > > Ok, last night, i was waiting for the rc4 to download > and so decided to try again to patch and compile a kernel using 2.6.16 > and ingos patch. > Left it going overnight, and this morning i have my own working > realtime preemptible kernel! > > It installs, boots and works (nearly) fine. > > > But... > > It still hard locks when i try and connect my midi port to anything > with qjackctl. > (and also wont let me log in, goes straight back to gdm, but i can > live with that) > > So back to the original problem. > > I am unsure what to try next. > > Maybe, as i have two soundcards. one builtin and the cmedia one, and > they each hav a gameport/midi connection on them, maybe they are > providing conflicting irqs or something? > > As i said i am unsure and a little out of my depth. > > > > I think you are on to something, there was an identical unresolved > > report just a week ago. It's definitely a kernel/ALSA bug, we need to > > confirm it's present in the latest version now > > Anyone else getting this? > > > > > > > Lee > > > > > > > Chris > > > > > > > > Ok have just tried using the midi gameport on the builtin soundcard, and this works fine! No hard freezes or anything. But even now if i try and select that other midiport with qjackctl, it gives me a hard lock. Not that i mind too much now though, as i have working midi in and out. Been sat playing on Zyn et al for most of this afternoon... Chris From gimpel at sonnenkinder.org Sun May 14 13:08:39 2006 From: gimpel at sonnenkinder.org (Thomas Kuther) Date: Sun May 14 13:08:49 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] gentoo proaudio portage overlay In-Reply-To: <446487AF.9070402@arcor.de> References: <200605092351.34383.ireneshusband@yahoo.co.uk> <44632F20.20308@sbcglobal.net> <44635E4C.90008@arcor.de> <20060512090820.GA1608@spma33> <446487AF.9070402@arcor.de> Message-ID: <20060514190839.0ec598d0@SiRiUS.home> On Fri, 12 May 2006 15:03:43 +0200 Frieder B?rzele wrote: > Ismael Valladolid Torres wrote: > > Frieder B?rzele escribe: > > > >> I'm the author of the proaudio overlay > >> Tom and me maintain the overlay > >> please report problems directly to the gentoo forums topic: > >> http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-427211.html > >> or send me a mail directly > >> > > > > Is any "press note" for your project available? > > > > nope, just 00-README and 00-OVERLAY-INFO > > I just started mantaining a web site devoted to audio and multimedia > > using open sourced software in spanish. I'd like to translate an as > > complete as posible description of your project so the spanish > > audience can start using it! > > > > Feel free to add me to any mailing list for announcements of updates > > to your project, if any exists. > > > There is no mailing list available. > All you can do is to subscribe to the gentoo-forum thread > or regulary check the svn-logs to see what changed > eg. with > svn --limit 5 log svn://svn.tuxfamily.org/svnroot/ckpp/proaudio > > Cordially, Ismael > > > Frieder > There is now a small wiki and a mailinglist available. See http://proaudio.tuxfamily.org/wiki Thanks tuxfamily for hosting! :) Cheers, Tom From yves_p at nnx.com Sun May 14 14:26:59 2006 From: yves_p at nnx.com (Yves Potin) Date: Sun May 14 14:27:08 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Another song - asking for advices Message-ID: <20060514182659.GC22506@localhost> Hello. I've just achieved this track : http://ypotin.nerim.net/clouds.ogg (8,1 Mo). It's made with MuSE, Linuxsampler, Zyndaddsubfx, CAPS, Tap and other LADSPA plugins, Ardour and Jamin. And a guitar :). All comments are really welcome :). Cheers, Y. From markknecht at gmail.com Sun May 14 15:05:12 2006 From: markknecht at gmail.com (Mark Knecht) Date: Sun May 14 15:05:17 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Another song - asking for advices In-Reply-To: <20060514182659.GC22506@localhost> References: <20060514182659.GC22506@localhost> Message-ID: <5bdc1c8b0605141205sa5aae7dqebda7ace5e2b3d63@mail.gmail.com> On 5/14/06, Yves Potin wrote: > Hello. > I've just achieved this track : > http://ypotin.nerim.net/clouds.ogg (8,1 Mo). > It's made with MuSE, Linuxsampler, Zyndaddsubfx, CAPS, Tap and > other LADSPA plugins, Ardour and Jamin. And a guitar :). > All comments are really welcome :). > Cheers, > > Y. > Yves, Really excellent work. Great stuff. Drums were done in LS I presume? Good programming no matter what tools. Thanks for sharing your work. Cheers, Mark From lanas at securenet.net Sun May 14 15:34:02 2006 From: lanas at securenet.net (lanas) Date: Sun May 14 15:34:50 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Another song - asking for advices In-Reply-To: <20060514182659.GC22506@localhost> References: <20060514182659.GC22506@localhost> Message-ID: <20060514153402.1e30c3a4@mistral.stie> On Sun, 14 May 2006 20:26:59 +0200 yves_p@nnx.com (Yves Potin) wrote: > I've just achieved this track : > http://ypotin.nerim.net/clouds.ogg (8,1 Mo). > It's made with MuSE, Linuxsampler, Zyndaddsubfx, CAPS, Tap and > other LADSPA plugins, Ardour and Jamin. And a guitar :). Hi, It's actually quite good. The mix good be a bit better, especially concerning the repeating (eg. 'ostinato') bass near the beginning, but that could very well be a matter of taste. I'd presume that's about the same kind of setup I'd like to eventually get. I.e. guitar input + MIDI stuff. In fact, I'd like to also get plain audio input for flutes and accoustic guitar as well. And who knows, maybe voice or some kind of vocals one of these days. But I'm presently far from there. I don't even have an audio card. So I'd like to ask a few questions if you don't mind ;-) What kind of audio card do you have ? Do you mike the guitar from it's amplifier or does it go as line input ? If it's a line input, what kind or (pre-) amp are you using ? The guitar sound on your recording is very good. Is it a MIDI guitar ? Thanks, Al From lilli.chiffon at free.fr Sun May 14 16:20:45 2006 From: lilli.chiffon at free.fr (lilli chiffon) Date: Sun May 14 16:20:55 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] How to avoid noise with Ardour Message-ID: <1147638045.16607.11.camel@yo-machine> Hi the list. I have a trouble when i try to transfer music from a analogique source to my computer. I've got a noise in the background, betwen 3000 and 6000 Hz. For the moment i use the soundcard of my pc. Here the answer of lspci 0000:00:04.0 Multimedia audio controller: nVidia Corporation CK804 AC'97 Audio Controller (rev a2) By default jackd is launch with this following setup : Priority 0 Frames/period 1024 Sample rate 48000 Periods/buffer 2 Dither none Any of you have a idea to reduce this annoying noise, this setup is good according to my soudcard ? Thanks for your help. Cheers P'tit Louis From rlrevell at joe-job.com Sun May 14 17:21:58 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Sun May 14 17:22:10 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] How to avoid noise with Ardour In-Reply-To: <1147638045.16607.11.camel@yo-machine> References: <1147638045.16607.11.camel@yo-machine> Message-ID: <1147641719.27252.97.camel@mindpipe> On Sun, 2006-05-14 at 22:20 +0200, lilli chiffon wrote: > Hi the list. > > I have a trouble when i try to transfer music from a analogique source > to my computer. I've got a noise in the background, betwen 3000 and 6000 > Hz. > > For the moment i use the soundcard of my pc. Here the answer of lspci > > 0000:00:04.0 Multimedia audio controller: nVidia Corporation CK804 AC'97 > Audio Controller (rev a2) > > By default jackd is launch with this following setup : > > Priority 0 > Frames/period 1024 > Sample rate 48000 > Periods/buffer 2 > > Dither none > > Any of you have a idea to reduce this annoying noise, this setup is good > according to my soudcard ? Hard to say - most onboard soundcards are shite. Do you get the same results testing with "arecord"? Lee From pinojazz at gmail.com Sun May 14 05:39:49 2006 From: pinojazz at gmail.com (Carlos Pino) Date: Sun May 14 17:51:50 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Hola =?ISO-8859-1?Q?amigos=2Cm=E1s_m=FA?= =?ISO-8859-1?Q?sica____-______Hello_world=2Cit=27s?= =?ISO-8859-1?Q?_time_for_music_again?= In-Reply-To: <44665C16.8020506@gmx.de> References: <44648276.1090801@gmail.com> <44665C16.8020506@gmx.de> Message-ID: <4466FAE5.30201@gmail.com> Marius wrote: > Carlos Pino schrieb: > >> Muchas gracias a _*todos*_ los que pon?is empe?o en la libertad,ah? >> va mi peque?a aportaci?n a este magn?fico mundo. >> >> I want to give a big big *_thank you_* to all that people who make >> my life easier for making music and "making" freedom,you know who >> you are. (excuse my english) >> >> Ardour,Muse,Qjackctl,Qsynth,Hydrogen,Seq24,Zynaddsubfx,Jamin,Linux,Debian,Musix,Demudi,PlanetCCRMA... >> >> >> grace,obrigado,thank you,tanke,tak,mercy..... >> >> >> >> http://www.telefonica.net/web2/pinojazz/open_horizon.ogg >> >> >> Saludos. >> --Carlos >> >> > Thanks Carlos! > > This is so beautiful. I enjoyed it twice because of my birthday > yesterday and the weather > here in germany staying almost dry to make barbecue, take a couple of > drinks and relax. > > This is real holiday music. Thank you!! > > God bless you, Marius > > Marius,happy birthday!!!!! :-D ,I'm glad you like,enjoy it. Saludos. -- Carlos. From pinojazz at gmail.com Sun May 14 05:52:02 2006 From: pinojazz at gmail.com (Carlos Pino) Date: Sun May 14 18:03:59 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Hola =?ISO-8859-1?Q?amigos=2Cm=E1s_m=FA?= =?ISO-8859-1?Q?sica____-______Hello_world=2Cit=27s?= =?ISO-8859-1?Q?_time_for_music_again?= In-Reply-To: <446649A5.7030907@boosthardware.com> References: <44648276.1090801@gmail.com> <20060513053307.GA10019@mccormick.cx> <446649A5.7030907@boosthardware.com> Message-ID: <4466FDC2.6060306@gmail.com> Patrick Shirkey wrote: > Chris McCormick wrote: > >> On Fri, May 12, 2006 at 02:41:26PM +0200, Carlos Pino wrote: >> >>> http://www.telefonica.net/web2/pinojazz/open_horizon.ogg >> >> >> Very nice! >> > > I agree. Nice work Carlos. Smooth and soulful :) > > Chris,Patrick , Thank you very much I'm glad very much you like the tune.Enjoy it!!! Saludos. -- Carlos. From paul at linuxaudiosystems.com Sun May 14 18:13:38 2006 From: paul at linuxaudiosystems.com (Paul Davis) Date: Sun May 14 18:13:46 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Another song - asking for advices In-Reply-To: <20060514182659.GC22506@localhost> References: <20060514182659.GC22506@localhost> Message-ID: <1147644818.5507.38.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Sun, 2006-05-14 at 20:26 +0200, Yves Potin wrote: > Hello. > I've just achieved this track : > http://ypotin.nerim.net/clouds.ogg (8,1 Mo). > It's made with MuSE, Linuxsampler, Zyndaddsubfx, CAPS, Tap and > other LADSPA plugins, Ardour and Jamin. And a guitar :). > All comments are really welcome :). > Cheers, this is very nice piece of work. the echoes of pink floyd's "sheep" (or is it "pigs" ?) are nice and clear (next thing you'll say: "i've never heard that"). my main complaint would be that the drums, although the actual sounds are nice, sound too wooden for this style of music in many places. i am not sure what you need to do to improve it - its mostly the rolls across the set of toms that are a problem to my ears. the harp-ish is a very nice tone - zyn i would imagine ? i would maybe try to find a richer string pad sound for the whole piece if you have the MIDI available. the one you picked is a bit anemic, and could use a little more menace. thats my US$0.02 ... glad to hear that ardour and these other tools are working for you. --p From pinojazz at gmail.com Sun May 14 06:12:37 2006 From: pinojazz at gmail.com (Carlos Pino) Date: Sun May 14 18:24:44 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Hola =?ISO-8859-1?Q?amigos=2Cm=E1s_m=FA?= =?ISO-8859-1?Q?sica____-______Hello_world=2Cit=27s?= =?ISO-8859-1?Q?_time_for_music_again?= In-Reply-To: <846D3CED-BE3B-4E15-A926-B0803CE28F61@tiscali.it> References: <44648276.1090801@gmail.com> <846D3CED-BE3B-4E15-A926-B0803CE28F61@tiscali.it> Message-ID: <44670295.5000405@gmail.com> Alessandro Cominu wrote: > > Il giorno 12/mag/06, alle ore 14:41, Carlos Pino ha scritto: > >> Muchas gracias a _*todos*_ los que pon?is empe?o en la >> libertad,ah? va mi peque?a aportaci?n a este magn?fico mundo. >> >> I want to give a big big *_thank you_* to all that people who make >> my life easier for making music and "making" freedom,you know who >> you are. (excuse my english) >> >> Ardour,Muse,Qjackctl,Qsynth,Hydrogen,Seq24,Zynaddsubfx,Jamin,Linux,Deb >> ian,Musix,Demudi,PlanetCCRMA... >> grace,obrigado,thank you,tanke,tak,mercy..... > > > wow :) > nice songs, I really like it! how about releasing the "sources"? I'm > really interested in h2song files ;-) > Hi Alessandro,thank you very much ,hydrogen is one of my favourites appz ;-) Saludos --Carlos. From rlrevell at joe-job.com Sun May 14 18:39:42 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Sun May 14 18:39:58 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Another song - asking for advices In-Reply-To: <1147644818.5507.38.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <20060514182659.GC22506@localhost> <1147644818.5507.38.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1147646383.27252.119.camel@mindpipe> On Sun, 2006-05-14 at 18:13 -0400, Paul Davis wrote: > > this is very nice piece of work. the echoes of pink floyd's > "sheep" (or > is it "pigs" ?) are nice and clear (next thing you'll say: "i've never > heard that"). The B part reminds me of Steely Dan's "Your Gold Teeth". Good stuff. Lee From BJaY at safe-mail.net Sun May 14 18:44:58 2006 From: BJaY at safe-mail.net (BJaY) Date: Sun May 14 18:44:59 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Another song - asking for advices In-Reply-To: <20060514182659.GC22506@localhost> Message-ID: Very nice, love the drums - very dave wekyl. What sample patch did you use for them ? the toms sound geat for that fusion'y stuff. Snare could do with a little low-mid boost I think. Bruce. Hello. I've just achieved this track : http://ypotin.nerim.net/clouds.ogg (8,1 Mo). It's made with MuSE, Linuxsampler, Zyndaddsubfx, CAPS, Tap and other LADSPA plugins, Ardour and Jamin. And a guitar :). All comments are really welcome :). Cheers, Y. From gavin-stevens at gavmusic.freeserve.co.uk Sun May 14 18:41:49 2006 From: gavin-stevens at gavmusic.freeserve.co.uk (Gavin Stevens) Date: Sun May 14 18:46:36 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Hola amigos,m?s m?sica - Hello > world,it's time for music again In-Reply-To: <20060512142038.69F7B161A958@music.columbia.edu> References: <20060512142038.69F7B161A958@music.columbia.edu> Message-ID: <20060514234149.6ddce88c@localhost> Hi Carlos, Wow! this is a gorgeous track, thanks for sharing it with us. If you have an album available or upcoming, then I for one would be a willing customer. Gavin. > Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 14:41:26 +0200 > From: Carlos Pino > Subject: [linux-audio-user] Hola amigos,m?s m?sica - Hello > world,it's time for music again > Muchas gracias a _*todos*_ los que pon_is empe_o en la libertad,ah_ > > va mi peque_a aportaci_n a este magn_fico mundo. > > I want to give a big big *_thank you_* to all that people who make > my > life easier for making music and "making" freedom,you know who you > are. (excuse my english) > > Ardour,Muse,Qjackctl,Qsynth,Hydrogen,Seq24,Zynaddsubfx,Jamin,Linux,De > bian,Musix,Demudi,PlanetCCRMA... > > grace,obrigado,thank you,tanke,tak,mercy..... > > > > http://www.telefonica.net/web2/pinojazz/open_horizon.ogg > > > Saludos. > --Carlos From pinojazz at gmail.com Sun May 14 06:50:14 2006 From: pinojazz at gmail.com (Carlos Pino) Date: Sun May 14 19:02:12 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Hola amigos,m?s m?sica - Hello > world,it's time for music again In-Reply-To: <20060514234149.6ddce88c@localhost> References: <20060512142038.69F7B161A958@music.columbia.edu> <20060514234149.6ddce88c@localhost> Message-ID: <44670B66.6030305@gmail.com> Gavin Stevens wrote: >Hi Carlos, > >Wow! this is a gorgeous track, thanks for sharing it with us. > >If you have an album available or upcoming, then I for one would be a >willing customer. > >Gavin. > > > > hi Gavin ,I'm glad you like.The album is a work in procces and this tune is part of it. ,thanks for listening and for your support intention :-) . Enjoy. Saludos . -- Carlos. > > > From tito at rumford.de Mon May 15 02:24:01 2006 From: tito at rumford.de (Wolfgang Woehl) Date: Mon May 15 02:29:19 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] How to avoid noise with Ardour In-Reply-To: <1147641719.27252.97.camel@mindpipe> References: <1147638045.16607.11.camel@yo-machine> <1147641719.27252.97.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <200605150824.01406.tito@rumford.de> Sunday 14 May 2006 23:21, Lee Revell: > On Sun, 2006-05-14 at 22:20 +0200, lilli chiffon wrote: > > Hi the list. > > > > I have a trouble when i try to transfer music from a analogique source > > to my computer. I've got a noise in the background, betwen 3000 and 6000 > > Hz. Why not post a snippet? How exactly do you connect? > > > > For the moment i use the soundcard of my pc. Here the answer of lspci > > > > 0000:00:04.0 Multimedia audio controller: nVidia Corporation CK804 AC'97 > > Audio Controller (rev a2) > > > > By default jackd is launch with this following setup : > > > > Priority 0 > > Frames/period 1024 > > Sample rate 48000 > > Periods/buffer 2 > > > > Dither none > > > > Any of you have a idea to reduce this annoying noise, this setup is good > > according to my soudcard ? Apparently your setup is not good. Need one say you can exclude jack and ardour from the list of possible sources? -- Wolfgang From yves_p at nnx.com Mon May 15 03:24:14 2006 From: yves_p at nnx.com (Yves Potin) Date: Mon May 15 03:24:23 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Another song - asking for advices In-Reply-To: <1147644818.5507.38.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <20060514182659.GC22506@localhost> <1147644818.5507.38.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <20060515072414.GD22506@localhost> Le 14 May ? 18:13, Paul Davis ecrivait: > this is very nice piece of work. the echoes of pink floyd's "sheep" (or > is it "pigs" ?) are nice and clear (next thing you'll say: "i've never > heard that"). Thank you very much :). I started this tune as a clear reminiscence of ? one of these days ? and I know very well the ? animals ? album even if I didn't had it present on my mind. > my main complaint would be that the drums, although the > actual sounds are nice, sound too wooden for this style of music in many > places. i am not sure what you need to do to improve it - its mostly the > rolls across the set of toms that are a problem to my ears. > > the harp-ish is a very nice tone - zyn i would imagine ? i would maybe > try to find a richer string pad sound for the whole piece if you have > the MIDI available. the one you picked is a bit anemic, and could use a > little more menace. I will take care of these advices, which are of a real help for me. The problem is that I'm really not easy with non ? wooden ? percussion sounds... The first harp is a sample of a harp, and the other sound is a mix of Guzhen and Luan samples. Zyn produces only part of the pad, and I realize it could effectively be richer. > thats my US$0.02 ... glad to hear that ardour and these other tools are > working for you. Great thanks to you and the software developpers, especially Robert Jonsson, who provide real tools for working, and for making all these software free (as in free speech, not free beer :) ). Y. From yves_p at nnx.com Mon May 15 03:34:47 2006 From: yves_p at nnx.com (Yves Potin) Date: Mon May 15 03:34:56 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Another song - asking for advices In-Reply-To: <20060514153402.1e30c3a4@mistral.stie> References: <20060514182659.GC22506@localhost> <20060514153402.1e30c3a4@mistral.stie> Message-ID: <20060515073447.GE22506@localhost> Thank you very much for the advices :). Le 14 May ? 15:34, lanas ecrivait: > What kind of audio card do you have ? Hammerfall Multiface. > Do you mike the guitar from > it's amplifier or does it go as line input ? If it's a line input, > what kind or (pre-) amp are you using ? The guitar sound on your > recording is very good. Is it a MIDI guitar ? I have a Mesa Boogie preamp directly pluggued in the RME, without amp. The distortion comes exclusively from the preamp. There's a GK2 / GR50 on this guitar, but they're not used for the guitar recording of this track. And I'm glad to read what you say about the sound :). The cabinet simulator of the CAPS suite is essential and really permits to daily play and record without amp, great thanks to the author of this great set of plugins. Y. From asbjs at stud.ntnu.no Mon May 15 03:43:36 2006 From: asbjs at stud.ntnu.no (=?iso-8859-1?B?QXNiavhybiBT5mL4?=) Date: Mon May 15 03:43:49 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Recording Level using Audacity and a Multiface card In-Reply-To: <4464D0FC.7020901@homemail.com> References: <4464712E.6020502@homemail.com> <1147453076.7867.4.camel@puppeli> <4464D0FC.7020901@homemail.com> Message-ID: <20060515074336.GA7955@stud.ntnu.no> On Sat, May 13, 2006 at 04:16:28AM +1000, D. Sen wrote: > This is what is being used between the microphone and the multiface: > > http://www.bksv.com/pdf/4416B.pdf This is not a microphone amplifier. It says "[...] signal conditioner for for use with ISOTRON(R) or other piezoelectric voltage mode transducers." According to the figure, it is intended for accelerometers and the like. > This is providing line-level output to the multiface. That depends on its input. It will give line-level output given the input for which it is intended. But it will not give a line-level output regardless of what its input is. Asbj?rn From yves_p at nnx.com Mon May 15 03:44:09 2006 From: yves_p at nnx.com (Yves Potin) Date: Mon May 15 03:45:34 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Another song - asking for advices In-Reply-To: References: <20060514182659.GC22506@localhost> Message-ID: <20060515074409.GF22506@localhost> Le 14 May ? 23:44, BJaY ecrivait: > Very nice, love the drums - very dave wekyl. Thanks, that was the goal :). > What sample patch did you use for them ? Mostly a mix of purrfect drums and real giga drums, and lots of plugins. For Mark, drums were made in MuSE much more than in linuxsampler :). > the toms sound geat for that fusion'y stuff. Snare could do with > a little low-mid boost I think. Yes, completely true. Thanks for the advice. Y. From clemens at ladisch.de Mon May 15 04:11:23 2006 From: clemens at ladisch.de (Clemens Ladisch) Date: Mon May 15 04:11:54 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Midi and computer freezing In-Reply-To: <79eea87e0605140123m5df359b7rf592a56f66fcaec3@mail.gmail.com> References: <79eea87e0605131000l30aff70bx925455fe60de78eb@mail.gmail.com> <446623AB.7010202@sbcglobal.net> <79eea87e0605131202s7460a045s22db39b3a1f3895b@mail.gmail.com> <79eea87e0605131401l5408f99w2cb630c89b6461c9@mail.gmail.com> <1147554453.6535.311.camel@mindpipe> <79eea87e0605131414w5b63026at5a2291bebf87a878@mail.gmail.com> <1147555145.6535.319.camel@mindpipe> <79eea87e0605140123m5df359b7rf592a56f66fcaec3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20060515081123.GA18345@turing.informatik.uni-halle.de> chris beagles wrote: > Maybe, as i have two soundcards. one builtin and the cmedia one, and > they each hav a gameport/midi connection on them, maybe they are > providing conflicting irqs or something? No, the C-Media's port uses the PCI interrupt of that card. However, there was a bug in the snd-cmipci driver that has exactly the symptoms you described. The fix is not yet in the kernel. Please replace the following line in sound/pci/cmipci.c (should be about line 2935): if (integrated_midi) with: if (integrated_midi && mpu_port[dev] == 1) HTH Clemens From asbjs at stud.ntnu.no Mon May 15 04:22:41 2006 From: asbjs at stud.ntnu.no (=?iso-8859-1?B?QXNiavhybiBT5mL4?=) Date: Mon May 15 04:22:28 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Recording Level using Audacity and a Multiface card In-Reply-To: <44650644.7090109@homemail.com> References: <4464712E.6020502@homemail.com> <1147453076.7867.4.camel@puppeli> <4464D0FC.7020901@homemail.com> <20060512194536.GG8670@slinkp.com> <4464E974.1080809@homemail.com> <20060512203318.GA26068@slinkp.com> <4464F532.3060401@homemail.com> <20060512213406.GA4134@slinkp.com> <44650644.7090109@homemail.com> Message-ID: <20060515082241.GB7955@stud.ntnu.no> On Sat, May 13, 2006 at 08:03:48AM +1000, D. Sen wrote: > Yes, sure. > > Here are the relevant links for the 4189 + 2671 microphone housing in > our setup, that connects to the Deltatron power supply. > > http://www.bksv.com/pdf/Bp1380.pdf That is a microphone, indeed. A B&K measurement microphone, that is. (A note to those not familiar with B&K measurement equipment: These are not quite like "normal" microphones. But they are of very high quality.) According to your linke, this microphone has a sensitivity of 50mV/Pa. > http://www.bksv.com/pdf/bp2111.pdf And this is the preamplifier. (Which would, in audio, normally be considered part of the microphone.) This one has, according to the link, a peak output of 7 volts, corresponding to an SPL of 138dB for a 50mV/Pa microphone. Your 94dB signal is 44 dB below that. Which means that the output level after the preamplifier will be l = 7 * 10^(-44/20) = 0.044 And 0.044 volts is quite a bit below full scale line-level. However, adding the 10x gain of your amplifier you should be at 0.44 v, which is certainly in the ballpark of consumer line-level. After looking closer at it, your setup actually seems to make some sense. Your amplifier (the 4416) is not one normally used for amplifying microphone signals, but rather accelerometers and the like. (As your links says: "conditioner for use with ISOTRON(R) or other piezoelectric voltage mode transducuers.") But the preamplifier (the 2111) _seems_ to be of a special kind intended just for interfacing microphones to this kind of amplifier, so you are probably right in that it should work. Asbj?rn From tech at glastonburymusic.org.uk Mon May 15 06:46:55 2006 From: tech at glastonburymusic.org.uk (tim hall) Date: Mon May 15 06:47:08 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: -rt IRQ handler priorities In-Reply-To: <44660713.1010001@gmail.com> References: <1146883567.5417.8.camel@localhost> <1147525250.6535.267.camel@mindpipe> <44660713.1010001@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200605151146.56270.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> On Saturday 13 May 2006 17:19, Thomas Vecchione was like: > I kinda > figured most people would know what they wrote within a couple of days. That is a really big assumption. I often look at things I wrote the previous day and think "did I write that? Oops!" -- cheers, tim hall http://glastonburymusic.org.uk/tim We are the people We've been waiting for. From tech at glastonburymusic.org.uk Mon May 15 06:56:17 2006 From: tech at glastonburymusic.org.uk (tim hall) Date: Mon May 15 06:56:23 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Hola amigos, =?iso-8859-1?q?m=E1s_m=FAsica____-______Hello?= world, it's time for music again In-Reply-To: <44648276.1090801@gmail.com> References: <44648276.1090801@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200605151156.18119.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> On Friday 12 May 2006 13:41, Carlos Pino was like: > http://www.telefonica.net/web2/pinojazz/open_horizon.ogg Finally got round to listening to this. My, I have been busy. Gorgeous Carlo! Nice fretwangling. -- cheers, tim hall http://glastonburymusic.org.uk/tim We are the people We've been waiting for. From lilli.chiffon at free.fr Mon May 15 08:48:48 2006 From: lilli.chiffon at free.fr (lilli chiffon) Date: Mon May 15 08:48:56 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] How to avoid noise with Ardour In-Reply-To: <1147641719.27252.97.camel@mindpipe> References: <1147638045.16607.11.camel@yo-machine> <1147641719.27252.97.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <1147697328.7051.6.camel@yo-machine> Le dimanche 14 mai 2006 ? 17:21 -0400, Lee Revell a ?crit : > On Sun, 2006-05-14 at 22:20 +0200, lilli chiffon wrote: > > Hi the list. > > > > I have a trouble when i try to transfer music from a analogique source > > to my computer. I've got a noise in the background, betwen 3000 and 6000 > > Hz. > > > > For the moment i use the soundcard of my pc. Here the answer of lspci > > > > 0000:00:04.0 Multimedia audio controller: nVidia Corporation CK804 AC'97 > > Audio Controller (rev a2) > > > > By default jackd is launch with this following setup : > > > > Priority 0 > > Frames/period 1024 > > Sample rate 48000 > > Periods/buffer 2 > > > > Dither none > > > > Any of you have a idea to reduce this annoying noise, this setup is good > > according to my soudcard ? > > Hard to say - most onboard soundcards are shite. I think you're right, i've plan to by a new soundcard, but for the moment i need money. > > Do you get the same results testing with "arecord"? Not yet, it's a command line recorder and i must admit that i'm lazy, but i will try. Thanks for your help. > > Lee > P'tit Louis From lilli.chiffon at free.fr Mon May 15 08:55:14 2006 From: lilli.chiffon at free.fr (lilli chiffon) Date: Mon May 15 08:55:29 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] How to avoid noise with Ardour In-Reply-To: <200605150824.01406.tito@rumford.de> References: <1147638045.16607.11.camel@yo-machine> <1147641719.27252.97.camel@mindpipe> <200605150824.01406.tito@rumford.de> Message-ID: <1147697714.7051.13.camel@yo-machine> Le lundi 15 mai 2006 ? 08:24 +0200, Wolfgang Woehl a ?crit : > Sunday 14 May 2006 23:21, Lee Revell: > > On Sun, 2006-05-14 at 22:20 +0200, lilli chiffon wrote: > > > Hi the list. > > > > > > I have a trouble when i try to transfer music from a analogique source > > > to my computer. I've got a noise in the background, betwen 3000 and 6000 > > > Hz. > > Why not post a snippet? How exactly do you connect? I'm sorry, i don't know this word, what is a snippet ? I connect the device by a soundcraft and rca connector. > > > > > > > For the moment i use the soundcard of my pc. Here the answer of lspci > > > > > > 0000:00:04.0 Multimedia audio controller: nVidia Corporation CK804 AC'97 > > > Audio Controller (rev a2) > > > > > > By default jackd is launch with this following setup : > > > > > > Priority 0 > > > Frames/period 1024 > > > Sample rate 48000 > > > Periods/buffer 2 > > > > > > Dither none > > > > > > Any of you have a idea to reduce this annoying noise, this setup is good > > > according to my soudcard ? > > Apparently your setup is not good. Need one say you can exclude jack and > ardour from the list of possible sources? Yep, i tryed with audacity and there's the same noise. P'tit Louis From pinojazz at gmail.com Sun May 14 21:11:02 2006 From: pinojazz at gmail.com (Carlos Pino) Date: Mon May 15 09:22:55 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Hola amigos, =?ISO-8859-1?Q?m=E1s_m=FAs?= =?ISO-8859-1?Q?ica____-______Hello_world=2C_it=27?= =?ISO-8859-1?Q?s_time_for_music_again?= In-Reply-To: <200605151156.18119.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> References: <44648276.1090801@gmail.com> <200605151156.18119.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> Message-ID: <4467D526.7060508@gmail.com> tim hall wrote: >On Friday 12 May 2006 13:41, Carlos Pino was like: > > >>http://www.telefonica.net/web2/pinojazz/open_horizon.ogg >> >> >Finally got round to listening to this. My, I have been busy. >Gorgeous Carlo! Nice fretwangling. > > thank you Tim,I'm glad you like.Enjoy. Saludos. -- Carlos. From dominic.sacre at gmx.de Mon May 15 09:57:18 2006 From: dominic.sacre at gmx.de (Dominic =?iso-8859-15?q?Sacr=E9?=) Date: Mon May 15 09:58:38 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Alsa Midi patchbay/processor In-Reply-To: <20060514074258.GE18479@fliwatut.scifi> References: <200605130214.42706.dominic.sacre@gmx.de> <200605132213.36670.dominic.sacre@gmx.de> <20060514074258.GE18479@fliwatut.scifi> Message-ID: <200605151557.19044.dominic.sacre@gmx.de> On Sunday, 14. May 2006 09:42, Frank Barknecht wrote: > > Thanks, Qmidiroute seems to let me do at least some of the things I'm > > looking for. But what's missing for me is, most importantly, the > > ability to switch between different setups, controlled via midi. > > > > So if there's something that I can use in addition to (or instead of) > > Qmidiroute to do this, please let me know! > > You could use Pd to build yourself a custom midi transformer. Pd can > do everything, that qmidiroute does, as well, but you need to learn > the Pd language a bit. It shouldn't be too hard, though. One afternoon > with the manual and the example patches should be enough to let you > build a midi router in Pd yourself (It only needs a handful of Pd > objects anyway). Somehow I knew when I asked this question that sooner or later someone would suggest Pd ;) I've never really looked into it, maybe now is the time to do so. But I have to agree that a simple GUI tool to do these things would be a very useful addition to the Linux audio desktop. Cheers, Dominic From pinojazz at gmail.com Sun May 14 22:07:06 2006 From: pinojazz at gmail.com (Carlos Pino) Date: Mon May 15 10:19:06 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Another song - asking for advices In-Reply-To: <20060514182659.GC22506@localhost> References: <20060514182659.GC22506@localhost> Message-ID: <4467E24A.8030909@gmail.com> Yves Potin wrote: > Hello. > I've just achieved this track : >http://ypotin.nerim.net/clouds.ogg (8,1 Mo). > It's made with MuSE, Linuxsampler, Zyndaddsubfx, CAPS, Tap and >other LADSPA plugins, Ardour and Jamin. And a guitar :). > All comments are really welcome :). > Cheers, > >Y. > > > Very nice tune,and good guitar soloing.Thanks for sharing. Saludos. -- Carlos. From tito at rumford.de Mon May 15 11:27:28 2006 From: tito at rumford.de (Wolfgang Woehl) Date: Mon May 15 11:32:54 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] How to avoid noise with Ardour In-Reply-To: <1147697714.7051.13.camel@yo-machine> References: <1147638045.16607.11.camel@yo-machine> <200605150824.01406.tito@rumford.de> <1147697714.7051.13.camel@yo-machine> Message-ID: <200605151727.28653.tito@rumford.de> Monday 15 May 2006 14:55, lilli chiffon: > I'm sorry, i don't know this word, what is a snippet ? A short piece (from one of your "noisy" recordings). -- Wolfgang From fbar at footils.org Mon May 15 11:34:18 2006 From: fbar at footils.org (Frank Barknecht) Date: Mon May 15 11:34:46 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Alsa Midi patchbay/processor In-Reply-To: <200605151557.19044.dominic.sacre@gmx.de> References: <200605130214.42706.dominic.sacre@gmx.de> <200605132213.36670.dominic.sacre@gmx.de> <20060514074258.GE18479@fliwatut.scifi> <200605151557.19044.dominic.sacre@gmx.de> Message-ID: <20060515153418.GD24735@fliwatut.scifi> Hallo, Dominic Sacr? hat gesagt: // Dominic Sacr? wrote: > Somehow I knew when I asked this question that sooner or later someone > would suggest Pd ;) And course it was me: I always suggest Pd for everything, so don't take me too seriously. ;) > I've never really looked into it, maybe now is the time to do so. I guess most of us started to learn how to do a bit of programming when we wanted to do something specific, but nobody had already written the tool to do it or we were dissatisfied with the available tools. As you seem to be in such a situation, now seems to be a good time to start to learn Pd or some other language. Ciao -- Frank Barknecht _ ______footils.org_ __goto10.org__ From markknecht at gmail.com Mon May 15 13:12:42 2006 From: markknecht at gmail.com (Mark Knecht) Date: Mon May 15 13:12:49 2006 Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Re:_[linux-audio-user]_Hola_amigos, _m=E1s_m=FAs?= =?ISO-8859-1?Q?ica_-_Hello_world, _it's_time_for_music_again?= In-Reply-To: <4467D526.7060508@gmail.com> References: <44648276.1090801@gmail.com> <200605151156.18119.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> <4467D526.7060508@gmail.com> Message-ID: <5bdc1c8b0605151012r68af1a1fn2be1d435c453a5e4@mail.gmail.com> Carlos, Enjoyed it. This tune has a very Ronny Jordan thing going on. Nice work. Cheers, Mark On 5/14/06, Carlos Pino wrote: > tim hall wrote: > > >On Friday 12 May 2006 13:41, Carlos Pino was like: > > > > > >>http://www.telefonica.net/web2/pinojazz/open_horizon.ogg > >> > >> > >Finally got round to listening to this. My, I have been busy. > >Gorgeous Carlo! Nice fretwangling. > > > > > thank you Tim,I'm glad you like.Enjoy. > > Saludos. > -- Carlos. > From lilli.chiffon at free.fr Mon May 15 13:51:38 2006 From: lilli.chiffon at free.fr (lilli chiffon) Date: Mon May 15 13:51:53 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] How to avoid noise with Ardour In-Reply-To: <200605151727.28653.tito@rumford.de> References: <1147638045.16607.11.camel@yo-machine> <200605150824.01406.tito@rumford.de> <1147697714.7051.13.camel@yo-machine> <200605151727.28653.tito@rumford.de> Message-ID: <1147715498.17547.1.camel@yo-machine> Le lundi 15 mai 2006 ? 17:27 +0200, Wolfgang Woehl a ?crit : > Monday 15 May 2006 14:55, lilli chiffon: > > I'm sorry, i don't know this word, what is a snippet ? > > A short piece (from one of your "noisy" recordings). > I made it ! It's a pure noisy noise ! But how to send it ? I'm a little bit a newbie P'tit Louis From pinojazz at gmail.com Mon May 15 15:08:36 2006 From: pinojazz at gmail.com (Carlos Pino) Date: Mon May 15 15:08:49 2006 Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Re:_[linux-audio-user]_Hola_amigos, _m=E1s_m=FAs?= =?ISO-8859-1?Q?ica_-_Hello_world, _it's_time_for_music_again?= In-Reply-To: <5bdc1c8b0605151012r68af1a1fn2be1d435c453a5e4@mail.gmail.com> References: <44648276.1090801@gmail.com> <200605151156.18119.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> <4467D526.7060508@gmail.com> <5bdc1c8b0605151012r68af1a1fn2be1d435c453a5e4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4468D1B4.2000002@gmail.com> Mark Knecht wrote: > Carlos, > Enjoyed it. This tune has a very Ronny Jordan thing going on. Nice > work. Hi Mark ,thank you.This comparison make me flush ,I like very much the Ronny's playing. > > Cheers, > Mark > Saludos -- Carlos. From markknecht at gmail.com Mon May 15 16:01:27 2006 From: markknecht at gmail.com (Mark Knecht) Date: Mon May 15 16:01:33 2006 Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Re:_Re:_[linux-audio-user]_Hola_amigos, _m=E1s_m?= =?ISO-8859-1?Q?=FAsica_-_Hello_world, _it's_time_for_music_again?= In-Reply-To: <4468D1B4.2000002@gmail.com> References: <44648276.1090801@gmail.com> <200605151156.18119.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> <4467D526.7060508@gmail.com> <5bdc1c8b0605151012r68af1a1fn2be1d435c453a5e4@mail.gmail.com> <4468D1B4.2000002@gmail.com> Message-ID: <5bdc1c8b0605151301y6fb1aae2lc63a33976dd505a8@mail.gmail.com> On 5/15/06, Carlos Pino wrote: > Mark Knecht wrote: > > > Carlos, > > Enjoyed it. This tune has a very Ronny Jordan thing going on. Nice > > work. > > Hi Mark ,thank you.This comparison make me flush ,I like very much the > Ronny's playing. > Carlos, It was not lost on me that you might. Keep it up and put out some more for us to enjoy. cheers, Mark From ce at christeck.de Mon May 15 17:31:00 2006 From: ce at christeck.de (Christoph Eckert) Date: Mon May 15 17:29:14 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: LAC-Konzertreport auf SWR2 15.5. 23h (German only) In-Reply-To: <44672044.8090300@chemie.fu-berlin.de> References: <44672044.8090300@chemie.fu-berlin.de> Message-ID: <200605152331.01685.ce@christeck.de> Hi, > my little report on the lac-concerts and some other subjects of the > lac in Karlsruhe will be broadcasted tomorrow on SWR2 JetztMusik > Magazin at 23h. recording... :) . Best regards ce From fons.adriaensen at skynet.be Mon May 15 17:55:30 2006 From: fons.adriaensen at skynet.be (fons adriaensen) Date: Mon May 15 17:48:07 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: LAC-Konzertreport auf SWR2 15.5. 23h (German only) In-Reply-To: <200605152331.01685.ce@christeck.de> References: <44672044.8090300@chemie.fu-berlin.de> <200605152331.01685.ce@christeck.de> Message-ID: <20060515215530.GA4970@linux-1> On Mon, May 15, 2006 at 11:31:00PM +0200, Christoph Eckert wrote: > recording... :) . + oggenc + ftp + mail LAD ??? :-) :-) :-) -- FA Follie! Follie! Delirio vano e' questo! From ce at christeck.de Mon May 15 18:06:24 2006 From: ce at christeck.de (Christoph Eckert) Date: Mon May 15 18:05:00 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: LAC-Konzertreport auf SWR2 15.5. 23h (German only) In-Reply-To: <20060515215530.GA4970@linux-1> References: <44672044.8090300@chemie.fu-berlin.de> <200605152331.01685.ce@christeck.de> <20060515215530.GA4970@linux-1> Message-ID: <200605160006.25107.ce@christeck.de> Hi, > + oggenc + ftp + mail LAD ??? :-) :-) :-) of course, but not tonight :) . Gn8, ce From ce at christeck.de Mon May 15 18:37:03 2006 From: ce at christeck.de (Christoph Eckert) Date: Mon May 15 18:35:29 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: LAC-Konzertreport auf SWR2 15.5. 23h (German only) In-Reply-To: <20060515215530.GA4970@linux-1> References: <44672044.8090300@chemie.fu-berlin.de> <200605152331.01685.ce@christeck.de> <20060515215530.GA4970@linux-1> Message-ID: <200605160037.06714.ce@christeck.de> Hi, I guess it is a legal issue posting the recording to the public. Any idea via PM is appreciated :) . Best regards, ce From tech at glastonburymusic.org.uk Tue May 16 01:54:17 2006 From: tech at glastonburymusic.org.uk (tim hall) Date: Tue May 16 01:54:22 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Alsa Midi patchbay/processor In-Reply-To: <2416.85.226.146.64.1147620168.squirrel@handgranat.org> References: <200605130214.42706.dominic.sacre@gmx.de> <4467218D.1070005@woh.rr.com> <2416.85.226.146.64.1147620168.squirrel@handgranat.org> Message-ID: <200605160654.17896.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> On Sunday 14 May 2006 16:22, sunnan@handgranat.org was like: > > Yes, Pd can do all this, but you have to have Pd on your machine. I love > > Pd, but unless it can generate a stand-alone application (that doesn't > > require Pd) then it isn't really meeting the need. > > ?!?!? > > qmidiroute requires qt and the c library. I haven't seen a stand-alone app > since the 8-bit era. We also talk about doing things 'By Hand' which is also an inaccurate description. I don't think that being overly pedantic really solves this one. -- cheers, tim hall http://glastonburymusic.org.uk/tim We are the people We've been waiting for. From ivalladolidt at terra.es Tue May 16 04:20:48 2006 From: ivalladolidt at terra.es (Ismael Valladolid Torres) Date: Tue May 16 04:21:11 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Linux audio blogroll and tutorials Message-ID: <20060516082048.GA2776@spma33> I am setting up a web site in spanish devoted to multimedia "what's on" and creation using open source software. Regarding audio, I suspect that, before creating my own content, there's too much good stuff out there just in english waiting for someone to translate it. So, the game is: Let's say you don't speak a word on english and that you'd like to have some tutorials regarding open sourced audio work to be translated to your idiom. Which pages would you encourage a volunteer to translate? Here are my first candidates: http://quicktoots.linuxaudio.org/toots/vst-plugins/ http://ubuntustudio.com/wiki/index.php/Welcome%2C_Musicians%21 But about the "Quick Toot" from Dave Phillips I am not even sure up to what point it's outdated. Also, I'd like to set up a blogroll in my page. Let's say I want to include up to 10 links regarding audio. Which are the links I should put, the links regarding Linux audio you consider the most significative? Yes, feel free to consider this post a poll. :) Cordially, Ismael -- Ismael Valladolid Torres OpenPGP key ID: 0xDE721AF4 [^[$B$?$S$?$S$9$_$^$;$s^[(B] Jabber ID: ivalladt@jabberes.org http://lamediahostia.blogspot.com =?iso-2022-jp?B?GyJE0hREjAGyhC?= From alban.peignier at free.fr Tue May 16 04:26:37 2006 From: alban.peignier at free.fr (Alban Peignier) Date: Tue May 16 04:27:23 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [ANN] FreeCast 20060515 Message-ID: <1147767997.10871.40.camel@localhost> FreeCast 20060515 - FreeCast traverses NAT After a busy winter, the FreeCast team is proud to publish this new major release. FreeCast is a peer-to-peer streaming solution based on Ogg encoding format. Audio (Ogg/Vorbis) or video (Ogg/Theora) streaming content are thus allowed. FreeCast is now two years old, and the experience we gained through its development and use led us to a deep rewriting of the protocol since the transport layer was switched from TCP to UDP. We also added the long-awaited NAT traversal: FreeCast networks won't be stopped anymore by misconfigured NATs. FreeCast Manager has been thoroughly reviewed by our user community, and we added some new features, such as the ability of broadcasting a playlist/list of files thanks to an integrated Ogg Vorbis encoder. To ease the use of FreeCast Mananager, one simple dialog allows you to setup your broadcast. With FreeCast's "Click & Broadcast", broadcasting your own content has never been so easy. Changelog in brief: UDP transport layer, NAT traversal, STUN support, Latency analysis, Embedded Ogg Vorbis encoder, FreeCast Manager Setup GUI, Improved Windows installer Links : - freecast.org: http://www.freecast.org - Listening with Freecast: http://www.freecast.org/listen - Streaming with FreeCast: http://www.freecast.org/broadcast - Complete changelog: http://download.freecast.org/README.html - Debian package: http://debian.tryphon.org -- Alban Peignier http://people.tryphon.org/~alban -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part Url : http://music.columbia.edu/pipermail/linux-audio-user/attachments/20060516/f8d82bd8/attachment.bin From christhemonkey at gmail.com Tue May 16 05:56:33 2006 From: christhemonkey at gmail.com (chris beagles) Date: Tue May 16 05:56:39 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Midi and computer freezing In-Reply-To: <20060515081123.GA18345@turing.informatik.uni-halle.de> References: <446623AB.7010202@sbcglobal.net> <79eea87e0605131202s7460a045s22db39b3a1f3895b@mail.gmail.com> <79eea87e0605131401l5408f99w2cb630c89b6461c9@mail.gmail.com> <1147554453.6535.311.camel@mindpipe> <79eea87e0605131414w5b63026at5a2291bebf87a878@mail.gmail.com> <1147555145.6535.319.camel@mindpipe> <79eea87e0605140123m5df359b7rf592a56f66fcaec3@mail.gmail.com> <20060515081123.GA18345@turing.informatik.uni-halle.de> Message-ID: <79eea87e0605160256p777e7ac6mfd60c6c36b4974f9@mail.gmail.com> On 5/15/06, Clemens Ladisch wrote: > chris beagles wrote: > > Maybe, as i have two soundcards. one builtin and the cmedia one, and > > they each hav a gameport/midi connection on them, maybe they are > > providing conflicting irqs or something? > > No, the C-Media's port uses the PCI interrupt of that card. > > However, there was a bug in the snd-cmipci driver that has exactly the > symptoms you described. The fix is not yet in the kernel. > > Please replace the following line in sound/pci/cmipci.c (should be about > line 2935): > > if (integrated_midi) > > with: > > if (integrated_midi && mpu_port[dev] == 1) > > > HTH > Clemens > Cheers very much! I shall go try that now and let you know how it goes. Chris From fbar at footils.org Tue May 16 06:52:12 2006 From: fbar at footils.org (Frank Barknecht) Date: Tue May 16 06:52:18 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-dev] Re: [linux-audio-user] Re: LAC-Konzertreport auf SWR2 15.5. 23h (German only) In-Reply-To: <44698DEA.7030506@chemie.fu-berlin.de> References: <44672044.8090300@chemie.fu-berlin.de> <200605152331.01685.ce@christeck.de> <44698DEA.7030506@chemie.fu-berlin.de> Message-ID: <20060516105212.GK24735@fliwatut.scifi> Hallo, Michael Iber hat gesagt: // Michael Iber wrote: > unfortunately, for legal reasons it is not possible to make the > audio-data public. I discussed this with the broadcast station before, > and their lawyers said definitely: no. The background is GEMA. Working for the website of a public radio in Germany myself (www.dradio.de) I know these issues a bit. We have a very big audio on demand section on our website (and Ogg streaming btw.) but we have to or at least try hard to filter out everything that is music or radio play. Only words allowed. Of course the authors get paid additional money if their work is also offered as a download, which is another issue to consider. Ciao -- Frank Barknecht _ ______footils.org_ __goto10.org__ From christhemonkey at gmail.com Tue May 16 07:02:18 2006 From: christhemonkey at gmail.com (chris beagles) Date: Tue May 16 07:02:24 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Midi and computer freezing In-Reply-To: <79eea87e0605160256p777e7ac6mfd60c6c36b4974f9@mail.gmail.com> References: <79eea87e0605131202s7460a045s22db39b3a1f3895b@mail.gmail.com> <79eea87e0605131401l5408f99w2cb630c89b6461c9@mail.gmail.com> <1147554453.6535.311.camel@mindpipe> <79eea87e0605131414w5b63026at5a2291bebf87a878@mail.gmail.com> <1147555145.6535.319.camel@mindpipe> <79eea87e0605140123m5df359b7rf592a56f66fcaec3@mail.gmail.com> <20060515081123.GA18345@turing.informatik.uni-halle.de> <79eea87e0605160256p777e7ac6mfd60c6c36b4974f9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <79eea87e0605160402r302a1b95n6682b42f9f3cb4fa@mail.gmail.com> On 5/16/06, chris beagles wrote: > On 5/15/06, Clemens Ladisch wrote: > > chris beagles wrote: > > > Maybe, as i have two soundcards. one builtin and the cmedia one, and > > > they each hav a gameport/midi connection on them, maybe they are > > > providing conflicting irqs or something? > > > > No, the C-Media's port uses the PCI interrupt of that card. > > > > However, there was a bug in the snd-cmipci driver that has exactly the > > symptoms you described. The fix is not yet in the kernel. > > > > Please replace the following line in sound/pci/cmipci.c (should be about > > line 2935): > > > > if (integrated_midi) > > > > with: > > > > if (integrated_midi && mpu_port[dev] == 1) > > > > > > HTH > > Clemens > > > Cheers very much! > I shall go try that now and let you know how it goes. > > Chris > I take it that i have to recompile my kernel now? Oh the fun and games! Chris From zettberlin at linuxuse.de Tue May 16 07:28:42 2006 From: zettberlin at linuxuse.de (Hartmut Noack) Date: Tue May 16 07:18:40 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-dev] Re: [linux-audio-user] Re: LAC-Konzertreport auf SWR2 15.5. 23h (German only) In-Reply-To: <20060516105212.GK24735@fliwatut.scifi> References: <44672044.8090300@chemie.fu-berlin.de> <200605152331.01685.ce@christeck.de> <44698DEA.7030506@chemie.fu-berlin.de> <20060516105212.GK24735@fliwatut.scifi> Message-ID: <4469B76A.6000000@linuxuse.de> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Frank Barknecht schrieb: > Hallo, > Michael Iber hat gesagt: // Michael Iber wrote: > > >>unfortunately, for legal reasons it is not possible to make the >>audio-data public. I discussed this with the broadcast station before, >>and their lawyers said definitely: no. > > > The background is GEMA. The policy of the GEMA is to claim some more than what is lawful and to wait if somebody complains. So *if* you complain, GEMA becomes quite fast quite liberal... Fact is, that in germ authorrights are bound to the person (in contrast to anglosaxon law, that allows to give away every right to a company for instance) So it is indeed the responsabiltiy and decision of every single author/composer/player if a recording is streamed or not. GEMA claims to organize such rightful use of *every* piece of music in Germany BUT: if you as the author state, that neither you nor your work is affiliated in any way with GEMA or any of GEMAs international partners - then it is up to *you* what goes on with the recording, Such statement must be made in a formal way (piece of paper, signed), then the odds are good, that GEMA will revoke its claim on your music... At the other hand i agree with Frank: GEMA is the big mighty Dinosaur of Copyright in Germ, that nobody wants to be in trouble with. To scare awy that beast is risky and if not each and every involved artist cooperates properly, it brings tons of trouble.. Still it can be done Hartmut Z Noack http://linuxuse.de/snd -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.0 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFEabdq1Aecwva1SWMRAt8fAJwIsXUp43FA1Ern+cZ1LoYpxCdvnwCeKwfZ 5airLnWGBW51dilkwlIGhzs= =32Ja -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From rlrevell at joe-job.com Tue May 16 10:33:37 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Tue May 16 10:33:48 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Midi and computer freezing In-Reply-To: <79eea87e0605160402r302a1b95n6682b42f9f3cb4fa@mail.gmail.com> References: <79eea87e0605131202s7460a045s22db39b3a1f3895b@mail.gmail.com> <79eea87e0605131401l5408f99w2cb630c89b6461c9@mail.gmail.com> <1147554453.6535.311.camel@mindpipe> <79eea87e0605131414w5b63026at5a2291bebf87a878@mail.gmail.com> <1147555145.6535.319.camel@mindpipe> <79eea87e0605140123m5df359b7rf592a56f66fcaec3@mail.gmail.com> <20060515081123.GA18345@turing.informatik.uni-halle.de> <79eea87e0605160256p777e7ac6mfd60c6c36b4974f9@mail.gmail.com> <79eea87e0605160402r302a1b95n6682b42f9f3cb4fa@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1147790017.13948.103.camel@mindpipe> On Tue, 2006-05-16 at 12:02 +0100, chris beagles wrote: > I take it that i have to recompile my kernel now? > No, only the ALSA modules. You don't even have to reboot. You would only have to recompile the entire kernel if you had build ALSA into the kernel. Lee From yves_p at nnx.com Tue May 16 11:05:51 2006 From: yves_p at nnx.com (Yves Potin) Date: Tue May 16 11:06:01 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Another song - asking for advices In-Reply-To: <4467E24A.8030909@gmail.com> References: <20060514182659.GC22506@localhost> <4467E24A.8030909@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20060516150551.GI22506@localhost> Le 15 May ? 04:07, Carlos Pino ecrivait: > Very nice tune,and good guitar soloing.Thanks for sharing. Thanks Carlos :). I also did appreciate the tracks you made, and I enjoyed hearing things very closed to Metheny in your style. Good luck for the following of your CD. Y. From christhemonkey at gmail.com Tue May 16 13:28:02 2006 From: christhemonkey at gmail.com (chris beagles) Date: Tue May 16 13:28:11 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Midi and computer freezing In-Reply-To: <1147790017.13948.103.camel@mindpipe> References: <79eea87e0605131401l5408f99w2cb630c89b6461c9@mail.gmail.com> <1147554453.6535.311.camel@mindpipe> <79eea87e0605131414w5b63026at5a2291bebf87a878@mail.gmail.com> <1147555145.6535.319.camel@mindpipe> <79eea87e0605140123m5df359b7rf592a56f66fcaec3@mail.gmail.com> <20060515081123.GA18345@turing.informatik.uni-halle.de> <79eea87e0605160256p777e7ac6mfd60c6c36b4974f9@mail.gmail.com> <79eea87e0605160402r302a1b95n6682b42f9f3cb4fa@mail.gmail.com> <1147790017.13948.103.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <79eea87e0605161028q27112bfbhe86c2fc190509719@mail.gmail.com> On 5/16/06, Lee Revell wrote: > On Tue, 2006-05-16 at 12:02 +0100, chris beagles wrote: > > I take it that i have to recompile my kernel now? > > > > No, only the ALSA modules. You don't even have to reboot. Ok, i shall have a quick google on how to do this. Feel free to save me the time here though... > > You would only have to recompile the entire kernel if you had build ALSA > into the kernel. > > Lee > > Chris From hardbop200 at gmail.com Tue May 16 14:00:37 2006 From: hardbop200 at gmail.com (Josh Lawrence) Date: Tue May 16 14:00:44 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] OT: need a mixer Message-ID: Okay guys, A little off-topic here, but I need a mixer. I've got Ardour working great now, and I'm ready to do some recording, possibly some live recording of my trio. Here's my problem: I need a mixer that will let me listen to the current mix, and only send what I want to record to my inputs. My Mackie 1202-VLZ did this via "Alt Outs." I could press a button on a channel, and only that channel went to the alt outputs, meaning I could listen to the whole mix on my mixer and only record what I wanted to. So the obvious answer here is "buy another Mackie," but they are a little pricey. If I can get out cheap, or maybe buy a higher quality mixer used, I would do that. I've looked into Behringer mixers, but they don't seem to be able to do the alt output trick. Also, there are a lot of digital mixers on eBay (EZ-Bus, Tascam, Roland, Yamaha 01-V) that look good and only cost around $300 or less. Any opinions? What are you guys using in your home studios? -- Josh Lawrence http://www.hardbop200.com From capocasa at gmx.net Tue May 16 14:49:41 2006 From: capocasa at gmx.net (Carlo Capocasa) Date: Tue May 16 14:50:09 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: OT: need a mixer In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I consider mixers obsolete in the studio. I recommend you simply hook up your sound interface's outputs to active studio monitors and control which tracks are to be recorded and played with ardour's per-track 'mute' and 'rec' buttons. Carlo From idragosani at chapelperilous.net Tue May 16 15:05:54 2006 From: idragosani at chapelperilous.net (Brett McCoy) Date: Tue May 16 15:06:08 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] OT: need a mixer In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <446A2292.9070402@chapelperilous.net> Josh Lawrence wrote: > A little off-topic here, but I need a mixer. I've got Ardour working > great now, and I'm ready to do some recording, possibly some live > recording of my trio. Here's my problem: I need a mixer that will > let me listen to the current mix, and only send what I want to record > to my inputs. My Mackie 1202-VLZ did this via "Alt Outs." I could > press a button on a channel, and only that channel went to the alt > outputs, meaning I could listen to the whole mix on my mixer and only > record what I wanted to. > > So the obvious answer here is "buy another Mackie," but they are a > little pricey. If I can get out cheap, or maybe buy a higher quality > mixer used, I would do that. I've looked into Behringer mixers, but > they don't seem to be able to do the alt output trick. Also, there > are a lot of digital mixers on eBay (EZ-Bus, Tascam, Roland, Yamaha > 01-V) that look good and only cost around $300 or less. > > Any opinions? What are you guys using in your home studios? I use Ardour and a Delta1010 (with some outboard DSP gear and mike pre-amps). With the Delta1010 and a pair of monitors and a headphone amp, I find an outboard mixer superfluous. What are you using for your audio interface? -- Brett -- Brett McCoy: Programmer by Day, Guitarist by Night http://www.alhazred.com http://www.cassandrasyndrome.com http://www.revelmoon.com From fons.adriaensen at skynet.be Tue May 16 15:25:23 2006 From: fons.adriaensen at skynet.be (fons adriaensen) Date: Tue May 16 15:17:36 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: OT: need a mixer In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20060516192523.GD4744@linux-1> On Tue, May 16, 2006 at 08:49:41PM +0200, Carlo Capocasa wrote: > I consider mixers obsolete in the studio. > > I recommend you simply hook up your sound interface's outputs to active > studio monitors and control which tracks are to be recorded and played > with ardour's per-track 'mute' and 'rec' buttons. In principle this is of course correct. But: - if you do all mixing in Ardour you need a sound card with lots of inputs, - if you need to provide (headphone) monitoring for the musicians you also need multiple outputs, - ardour is not very well equipped to make monitor mixes (as each send fader is in a separate window), - there is some additional latency. So for a setup with just a 2-ch soundcard an external mixer is no luxury. But then you could of course consider spending the money for the mixer on a multichannel interface... In my case, I do have 8 in/outs on the computer, and a mixer fully equipped for 8-track recording, and I wouldn't want to work without it. Being able to do monitor mixes independent of the work on the computer is very handy. It's also very practical just for connecting and routing everything. -- FA Follie! Follie! Delirio vano e' questo! From dsen at homemail.com Tue May 16 15:36:59 2006 From: dsen at homemail.com (D. Sen) Date: Tue May 16 15:38:26 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Recording Level using Audacity and a Multiface card In-Reply-To: <20060515082241.GB7955@stud.ntnu.no> References: <4464712E.6020502@homemail.com> <1147453076.7867.4.camel@puppeli> <4464D0FC.7020901@homemail.com> <20060512194536.GG8670@slinkp.com> <4464E974.1080809@homemail.com> <20060512203318.GA26068@slinkp.com> <4464F532.3060401@homemail.com> <20060512213406.GA4134@slinkp.com> <44650644.7090109@homemail.com> <20060515082241.GB7955@stud.ntnu.no> Message-ID: <446A29DB.5020405@homemail.com> Actually, after Sampo's hint, everything does indeed work fine (without the 10x gain of the power-supply/conditioner, I might add). Cheers, DS Asbj?rn S?b? wrote: > On Sat, May 13, 2006 at 08:03:48AM +1000, D. Sen wrote: >> Yes, sure. >> >> Here are the relevant links for the 4189 + 2671 microphone housing in >> our setup, that connects to the Deltatron power supply. >> >> http://www.bksv.com/pdf/Bp1380.pdf > > That is a microphone, indeed. A B&K measurement microphone, that is. > (A note to those not familiar with B&K measurement equipment: These are > not quite like "normal" microphones. But they are of very high > quality.) > > According to your linke, this microphone has a sensitivity of 50mV/Pa. > > >> http://www.bksv.com/pdf/bp2111.pdf > > And this is the preamplifier. (Which would, in audio, normally be > considered part of the microphone.) > > This one has, according to the link, a peak output of 7 volts, > corresponding to an SPL of 138dB for a 50mV/Pa microphone. Your 94dB > signal is 44 dB below that. Which means that the output level after the > preamplifier will be > > l = 7 * 10^(-44/20) = 0.044 > > And 0.044 volts is quite a bit below full scale line-level. However, > adding the 10x gain of your amplifier you should be at 0.44 v, which is > certainly in the ballpark of consumer line-level. > > > After looking closer at it, your setup actually seems to make some > sense. Your amplifier (the 4416) is not one normally used for > amplifying microphone signals, but rather accelerometers and the like. > (As your links says: "conditioner for use with ISOTRON(R) or other > piezoelectric voltage mode transducuers.") > But the preamplifier (the 2111) _seems_ to be of a special kind intended > just for interfacing microphones to this kind of amplifier, so you are > probably right in that it should work. > > > Asbj?rn > > From hardbop200 at gmail.com Tue May 16 15:58:18 2006 From: hardbop200 at gmail.com (Josh Lawrence) Date: Tue May 16 15:58:24 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: OT: need a mixer In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 5/16/06, Carlo Capocasa wrote: > I consider mixers obsolete in the studio. > > I recommend you simply hook up your sound interface's outputs to active > studio monitors and control which tracks are to be recorded and played > with ardour's per-track 'mute' and 'rec' buttons. That's exactly what I've been getting hung up on, but I think I might have found a solution: use a headphone amp. I don't have monitors (I have young children, and most of my work is done at night, so I have to keep it quiet). I think I'll just run the output into a headphone amp. That should work, shouldn't it? -- Josh Lawrence http://www.hardbop200.com From hardbop200 at gmail.com Tue May 16 15:59:50 2006 From: hardbop200 at gmail.com (Josh Lawrence) Date: Tue May 16 15:59:56 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] OT: need a mixer In-Reply-To: <446A2292.9070402@chapelperilous.net> References: <446A2292.9070402@chapelperilous.net> Message-ID: On 5/16/06, Brett McCoy wrote: > I use Ardour and a Delta1010 (with some outboard DSP gear and mike > pre-amps). With the Delta1010 and a pair of monitors and a headphone > amp, I find an outboard mixer superfluous. What are you using for your > audio interface? > > -- Brett I'm using a Delta 44, but I'm thinking about replacing it since it has no XLR ins for mics. Maybe an Edirol UA-1000 or UA-25 and a headphone amp (as mentioned before). Man, I'm sure glad I emailed this list. It never occured to me that I wouldn't need a mixer it all. Sometimes the simplest solutions are so hard to come to... -- Josh Lawrence http://www.hardbop200.com From rob at curates-egg.org Tue May 16 16:16:44 2006 From: rob at curates-egg.org (Rob Fell) Date: Tue May 16 16:16:56 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] OT: need a mixer In-Reply-To: References: <446A2292.9070402@chapelperilous.net> Message-ID: <446A332C.7000609@curates-egg.org> Josh Lawrence wrote: > I'm using a Delta 44, but I'm thinking about replacing it since it has > no XLR ins for mics. Maybe an Edirol UA-1000 or UA-25 and a headphone > amp (as mentioned before). When I bought an interface I chose the Delta1010 because of it's balanced I/O - leaving me free to upgrade my mic-pre's whenever I like. RE the bigger picture; A small 'fix' to my mixer (documented in it's manual) allowed the 4 mic pre's to be assigned to independent outs, thus leaving the tape-monitor/output section free for headphone amp duties (I also added external switching to route the playback/monitor to hifi, monitor or none - independent of the headphone). Add to this the Envy chipset's zero-latency monitor, and I have the choice of low-latency 'wet' monitor, or higher latency 'dry' monitor. I don't know your equipment, but this may be a useful setup for you (single headphone of course). HTH Rob From idragosani at chapelperilous.net Tue May 16 16:19:33 2006 From: idragosani at chapelperilous.net (Brett McCoy) Date: Tue May 16 16:19:49 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] OT: need a mixer In-Reply-To: References: <446A2292.9070402@chapelperilous.net> Message-ID: <446A33D5.4010803@chapelperilous.net> Josh Lawrence wrote: > On 5/16/06, Brett McCoy wrote: >> I use Ardour and a Delta1010 (with some outboard DSP gear and mike >> pre-amps). With the Delta1010 and a pair of monitors and a headphone >> amp, I find an outboard mixer superfluous. What are you using for your >> audio interface? >> >> -- Brett > > I'm using a Delta 44, but I'm thinking about replacing it since it has > no XLR ins for mics. Maybe an Edirol UA-1000 or UA-25 and a headphone > amp (as mentioned before). Are the ins balanced (TRS 1/4)? You should be able to use XLR->TRS for the inputs (might need a pre-amp also, don't know if the 44 has 'em built in). A headphone amp is a good idea -- and since the Delta cards have that zero-latency hardware monitoring, you should be set. On my setup, I use one pair of outs for the monitors and one pair for the headphone amp. -- Brett -- Brett McCoy: Programmer by Day, Guitarist by Night http://www.alhazred.com http://www.cassandrasyndrome.com http://www.revelmoon.com From aaron at akjmusic.com Tue May 16 16:24:24 2006 From: aaron at akjmusic.com (Aaron Krister Johnson) Date: Tue May 16 16:24:52 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] fst problems Message-ID: <200605161524.24391.aaron@akjmusic.com> Hi, I've recently compiled fst-1.7 on a Slackware 10.1 system. Wine version is wine-20050310. I get the following error when I issue this command to try the "Kontakt2Demo.dll": root@aaron:~/fst-1.7# ./fst /home/akj/Desktop/Kontakt2Demo.dll and this is what happens: wine: Unhandled exception (thread 0009), starting debugger... WineDbg starting on pid 0x8 Unhandled exception: page fault on read access to 0x40fffd80 in 32-bit code (0x4000a753). In 32 bit mode. Register dump: CS:0073 SS:007b DS:007b ES:007b FS:0033 GS:0000 EIP:4000a753 ESP:40e5f8e4 EBP:40e5f9dc EFLAGS:00210202( - 00 - -RI1) EAX:40fffd80 EBX:40015ff8 ECX:00000000 EDX:40e5f90c ESI:40e5fa24 EDI:40015cc0 Stack dump: 0x40e5f8e4: 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 0x40e5f8f4: 00000302 40166d20 7800305c 78003058 0x40e5f904: 000041ed 00000000 00000000 00000000 0x40e5f914: 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000238 0x40e5f924: 00000000 00020000 00000001 00000000 0x40e5f934: 446a1bb0 00000000 443fcf84 00000000 Backtrace: =>1 0x4000a753 _dl_catch_error in ld-linux.so.2 (0x40e5f9dc) 2 0x401672c1 _dlerror_run in libdl.so.2 (0x40e5fa0c) 3 0x40166cf1 GLIBC_2 in libdl.so.2 (0x40e5fa3c) 4 0x400335cc wine_dlopen in libwine.so.1 (0x40e5fa58) 5 0x40032d17 wine_get_es in libwine.so.1 (0x40e5fa88) 6 0x400332b8 wine_dll_load in libwine.so.1 (0x40e5fab4) 7 0x401a92bf in ntdll (+0x292bf) (0x40e5fd04) 8 0x401a9c10 in ntdll (+0x29c10) (0x40e5fd9c) 9 0x401a75c7 call_dll_entry_point in ntdll (0x40e5fe44) 10 0x401a7b27 call_dll_entry_point in ntdll (0x40e5fe78) 11 0x401aa758 LdrInitializeThunk in ntdll (0x40e5ff20) 12 0x404e7f8b in kernel32 (+0x47f8b) (0x40e5fff4) 13 0x40033cbd wine_switch_to_stack in libwine.so.1 (0x00000000) 0x4000a753 _dl_catch_error+0x43 in ld-linux.so.2: movl 0x0(%eax),%ecx Wine-dbg> Any thoughts? Best, Aaron. From capocasa at gmx.net Tue May 16 16:43:42 2006 From: capocasa at gmx.net (Carlo Capocasa) Date: Tue May 16 16:44:18 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: OT: need a mixer In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: > That's exactly what I've been getting hung up on, but I think I might > have found a solution: use a headphone amp. I don't have monitors (I > have young children, and most of my work is done at night, so I have > to keep it quiet). I think I'll just run the output into a headphone > amp. That should work, shouldn't it? You might not even need that. Simply get two lover's style headphone splitters and plug them in your sound card's headphone out. I suspect you will get enough volume to record. Carlo From capocasa at gmx.net Tue May 16 16:48:57 2006 From: capocasa at gmx.net (Carlo Capocasa) Date: Tue May 16 16:49:25 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: OT: need a mixer In-Reply-To: <20060516192523.GD4744@linux-1> References: <20060516192523.GD4744@linux-1> Message-ID: Fons, just think out of the box and mix digital. It will save you thousands of dollars when you go ultra-high-end. Carlo From gimpel at sonnenkinder.org Tue May 16 16:55:38 2006 From: gimpel at sonnenkinder.org (Thomas Kuther) Date: Tue May 16 16:55:51 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] fst problems In-Reply-To: <200605161524.24391.aaron@akjmusic.com> References: <200605161524.24391.aaron@akjmusic.com> Message-ID: <20060516225538.365d4063@SiRiUS.home> On Tue, 16 May 2006 15:24:24 -0500 Aaron Krister Johnson wrote: > Hi, > > I've recently compiled fst-1.7 on a Slackware 10.1 system. Wine > version is wine-20050310. I get the following error when I issue this > command to try the "Kontakt2Demo.dll": > > root@aaron:~/fst-1.7# ./fst /home/akj/Desktop/Kontakt2Demo.dll > > and this is what happens: Hi Aaaron, your wine seems very old. Works flawlessly here with wine-0.9.12 & fst-1.7 Regrds, Tom From gimpel at sonnenkinder.org Tue May 16 17:03:24 2006 From: gimpel at sonnenkinder.org (Thomas Kuther) Date: Tue May 16 17:03:34 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] fst problems In-Reply-To: <20060516225538.365d4063@SiRiUS.home> References: <200605161524.24391.aaron@akjmusic.com> <20060516225538.365d4063@SiRiUS.home> Message-ID: <20060516230324.07d83601@SiRiUS.home> On Tue, 16 May 2006 22:55:38 +0200 Thomas Kuther wrote: > On Tue, 16 May 2006 15:24:24 -0500 > Aaron Krister Johnson wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > I've recently compiled fst-1.7 on a Slackware 10.1 system. Wine > > version is wine-20050310. I get the following error when I issue > > this command to try the "Kontakt2Demo.dll": > > > > root@aaron:~/fst-1.7# ./fst /home/akj/Desktop/Kontakt2Demo.dll > > > > and this is what happens: > > > > Hi Aaaron, > your wine seems very old. Works flawlessly here with > wine-0.9.12 & fst-1.7 ...he said, and 30 seconds later his box freezed :P couldn't even access it over ssh anymore... hehe. From capocasa at gmx.net Tue May 16 17:36:27 2006 From: capocasa at gmx.net (Carlo Capocasa) Date: Tue May 16 17:37:01 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Samson C01U USB Mic Low Noise HowTo Message-ID: What's up, all! Just treated myself to my first condensor microphone, a USB-powered specimen of fiendishly convenient technology that includes a pre-amp and d/a converter. For entry-level it probably doesn't come any better than this. I have heard reports that this device was noisy, however I was able to fix that: 1. Set the device pre-amp to 75% volume in ALSA mixer. 2. Sing with your mouth right before the grate above the Samson logo. The device is calibrated to be relatively distortion-free when singing moderately loud, and this way you will have enough signal to be very happy with the noise level. 3. Pop-effects are disturbing singing this way; the manual recommends the famous engineer's trick of stretching a bit of nylon stocking over a hoop and singing through that. I now have the privilege of asking a girl I know for used stocking to provide some extra suggestive edge to my kinky songs while doing something technically beneficial. Life is good. Carlo From larsl at users.sourceforge.net Tue May 16 17:40:19 2006 From: larsl at users.sourceforge.net (Lars Luthman) Date: Tue May 16 17:40:30 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Samson C01U USB Mic Low Noise HowTo In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1147815619.8816.1.camel@localhost> On Tue, 2006-05-16 at 23:36 +0200, Carlo Capocasa wrote: > What's up, all! > > Just treated myself to my first condensor microphone, a USB-powered > specimen of fiendishly convenient technology that includes a pre-amp and > d/a converter. For entry-level it probably doesn't come any better than > this. Good to hear that it works - I've been planning to get one of those for a long time but never got around to it. Have you used it in a JACK graph with another sound device for output? Does that work well? Have you tried the alsa_in and alsa_out tools in the netjack package? -- Lars Luthman PGP key: http://www.student.nada.kth.se/~d00-llu/pgp_key.php Fingerprint: FCA7 C790 19B9 322D EB7A E1B3 4371 4650 04C7 7E2E -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 191 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part Url : http://music.columbia.edu/pipermail/linux-audio-user/attachments/20060516/4bdb18a6/attachment.bin From rob at curates-egg.org Tue May 16 17:57:53 2006 From: rob at curates-egg.org (Rob Fell) Date: Tue May 16 17:57:59 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Samson C01U USB Mic Low Noise HowTo In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <446A4AE1.9020708@curates-egg.org> Carlo Capocasa wrote: > hoop and singing through that. I now have the privilege of asking a girl > I know for used stocking to provide some extra suggestive edge to my > kinky songs while doing something technically beneficial. Life is good. Damn. The engineer in me substituted a frying pan splash screen. Foolish engineer... From tim at orford.org Tue May 16 18:39:40 2006 From: tim at orford.org (Tim Orford) Date: Tue May 16 18:39:01 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] fst problems In-Reply-To: <20060516230324.07d83601@SiRiUS.home> References: <200605161524.24391.aaron@akjmusic.com> <20060516225538.365d4063@SiRiUS.home> <20060516230324.07d83601@SiRiUS.home> Message-ID: <20060516223940.GL7721@sofa> On Tue, May 16, 2006 at 11:03:24PM +0200, Thomas Kuther wrote: > On Tue, 16 May 2006 22:55:38 +0200 > Thomas Kuther wrote: > > > On Tue, 16 May 2006 15:24:24 -0500 > > Aaron Krister Johnson wrote: > > > > > I've recently compiled fst-1.7 on a Slackware 10.1 system. Wine > > > version is wine-20050310. I get the following error when I issue > > > this command to try the "Kontakt2Demo.dll": > > > > > > root@aaron:~/fst-1.7# ./fst /home/akj/Desktop/Kontakt2Demo.dll > > > > > your wine seems very old. Works flawlessly here with > > wine-0.9.12 & fst-1.7 and fine here with wine 20050211, fst-1.7 (though thats the Full, not the Demo version) i must say, i'm very happy with the latest batch of linux vst hosts. > ...he said, and 30 seconds later his box freezed :P > > couldn't even access it over ssh anymore... hehe. hmmmm, getting similar lockups here. But only with the rt kernel (2.6.15-rt from gentoo proaudio overlay (which rocks!!) - i'm about to try 2.6.16-rt). regards -- Tim Orford From fons.adriaensen at skynet.be Tue May 16 18:49:40 2006 From: fons.adriaensen at skynet.be (fons adriaensen) Date: Tue May 16 18:41:52 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: OT: need a mixer In-Reply-To: References: <20060516192523.GD4744@linux-1> Message-ID: <20060516224940.GA4960@linux-1> On Tue, May 16, 2006 at 10:48:57PM +0200, Carlo Capocasa wrote: > Fons, just think out of the box and mix digital. It will save you > thousands of dollars when you go ultra-high-end. No problem, final mixes are always done using just Ardour, and I have no intention to buy a 40 input external mixer... But the one I do have is very useful, for the reasons I gave in the previous post - flexible routing and monitoring while recording. Also for simple but practical things like talkback. And in many cases I do mix 'live' and just record the stereo result. For some types of music that's the natural way to do things - you don't want to fiddle with it afterwards. -- FA Follie! Follie! Delirio vano e' questo! From philicorda at ntlworld.com Tue May 16 19:53:53 2006 From: philicorda at ntlworld.com (philicorda) Date: Tue May 16 19:52:42 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Samson C01U USB Mic Low Noise HowTo In-Reply-To: <20060516213710.7D0A916EE259@music.columbia.edu> References: <20060516213710.7D0A916EE259@music.columbia.edu> Message-ID: <1147823633.10337.54.camel@localhost> > From: Carlo Capocasa > Subject: [linux-audio-user] Samson C01U USB Mic Low Noise HowTo > To: linux-audio-user@music.columbia.edu > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15 > > What's up, all! > > Just treated myself to my first condensor microphone, a USB-powered > specimen of fiendishly convenient technology that includes a pre-amp and > d/a converter. For entry-level it probably doesn't come any better than > this. > > I have heard reports that this device was noisy, however I was able to > fix that: I might have been one of the people saying it was noisy. I don't know if you saw the post I sent here about it, but I was completely wrong about it having a fixed gain and using a digital gain control after the a/d. There was a web page about it with some messages from samson techs, but I cannot find the url now. It uses a little stereo a/d chip with built in preamps and feeds the output of one side back into the other to get more gain. So.. the output is actually stereo, with the right side being quieter than the left as it's only gone through one stage of amplification. One amusing thing to try is this.... Use alsamixer and set the input gain so the right side is 100 and the left 60. Route each side to it's own track in ardour. Sing into it a bit. Both inputs should show the same level. Record a bit. The right one has a tiny bit less background hiss and is a tiny bit cleaner as it's only been through one gain stage. It's also out of phase for some reason. The difference is much too small to be worth the bother, but I thought it was kinda interesting. Perhaps there are some other hacks to be found by combining both gains/sides..... > > 1. Set the device pre-amp to 75% volume in ALSA mixer. > 2. Sing with your mouth right before the grate above the Samson logo. > The device is calibrated to be relatively distortion-free when singing > moderately loud, and this way you will have enough signal to be very > happy with the noise level. > 3. Pop-effects are disturbing singing this way; the manual recommends > the famous engineer's trick of stretching a bit of nylon stocking over a > hoop and singing through that. I now have the privilege of asking a girl > I know for used stocking to provide some extra suggestive edge to my > kinky songs while doing something technically beneficial. Life is good. Rock n roll! By the way, have you managed to get it working at less than 512 frames/period latency? It refuses to let jack connect on my computer when I try it at 256. > > Carlo From ireneshusband at yahoo.co.uk Tue May 16 20:06:44 2006 From: ireneshusband at yahoo.co.uk (Robert Persson) Date: Tue May 16 20:06:52 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] how to force an alsa midi cleanup? Message-ID: <200605161706.45021.ireneshusband@yahoo.co.uk> How can I force a midi cleanup? The situation I have right at the moment is that the connection graph in qjackctl is showing midi ports for rosegarden, even though there is no rosegarden running (I have double-checked using "ps -A | grep rose"). I have tried a whole lot of things, including rmmodding a whole raft of midi-related modules, but I haven't been able to find a way to clean up my midi graph short of rebooting (which I am about to do). What should I have done? Thanks Robert -- Robert Persson Conspiracy Bears: Once upon a time there were lots of conspiracy bears... From aaron at akjmusic.com Tue May 16 20:19:03 2006 From: aaron at akjmusic.com (Aaron Krister Johnson) Date: Tue May 16 20:19:25 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] fst problems In-Reply-To: <20060516223940.GL7721@sofa> References: <200605161524.24391.aaron@akjmusic.com> <20060516230324.07d83601@SiRiUS.home> <20060516223940.GL7721@sofa> Message-ID: <200605161919.03227.aaron@akjmusic.com> On Tuesday 16 May 2006 5:39 pm, Tim Orford wrote: > On Tue, May 16, 2006 at 11:03:24PM +0200, Thomas Kuther wrote: > > On Tue, 16 May 2006 22:55:38 +0200 > > > > Thomas Kuther wrote: > > > On Tue, 16 May 2006 15:24:24 -0500 > > > > > > Aaron Krister Johnson wrote: > > > > I've recently compiled fst-1.7 on a Slackware 10.1 system. Wine > > > > version is wine-20050310. I get the following error when I issue > > > > this command to try the "Kontakt2Demo.dll": > > > > > > > > root@aaron:~/fst-1.7# ./fst /home/akj/Desktop/Kontakt2Demo.dll > > > > > > your wine seems very old. Works flawlessly here with > > > wine-0.9.12 & fst-1.7 > > and fine here with wine 20050211, fst-1.7 > (though thats the Full, not the Demo version) > Hi, I've read that certain glibc versions might be a culprit--here's the output of executing /lib/libc.so.6: GNU C Library stable release version 2.3.4, by Roland McGrath et al. Copyright (C) 2004 Free Software Foundation, Inc. This is free software; see the source for copying conditions. There is NO warranty; not even for MERCHANTABILITY or FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE. Compiled by GNU CC version 3.3.4. Compiled on a Linux 2.4.29 system on 2005-01-28. Available extensions: GNU libio by Per Bothner crypt add-on version 2.1 by Michael Glad and others GNU Libidn by Simon Josefsson linuxthreads-0.10 by Xavier Leroy BIND-8.2.3-T5B libthread_db work sponsored by Alpha Processor Inc NIS(YP)/NIS+ NSS modules 0.19 by Thorsten Kukuk For bug reporting instructions, please see: . Does anyone recognize any telltale signs that I should change my glibc version? If so, how do I do that without breaking a running system? -Aaron. From plutek at infinity.net Tue May 16 21:04:31 2006 From: plutek at infinity.net (plutek) Date: Tue May 16 21:04:43 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] how to force an alsa midi cleanup? In-Reply-To: <200605161706.45021.ireneshusband@yahoo.co.uk> References: <200605161706.45021.ireneshusband@yahoo.co.uk> Message-ID: <20060516210431.01258600@localhost> On Tue, 16 May 2006 17:06:44 -0700 Robert Persson wrote: > How can I force a midi cleanup? > > The situation I have right at the moment is that the connection graph in > qjackctl is showing midi ports for rosegarden, even though there is no > rosegarden running (I have double-checked using "ps -A | grep rose"). > > I have tried a whole lot of things, including rmmodding a whole raft of > midi-related modules, but I haven't been able to find a way to clean up my > midi graph short of rebooting (which I am about to do). > > What should I have done? possibly stupid question here, but just in case, since you didn't mention it: did you try hitting the "refresh" button in the qjackctl midi connections window? i've occasionally had ports still showing there from terminated programs -- not often at all, but it has happened. .pltk. From Stuart.Allie at hydro.com.au Tue May 16 21:31:49 2006 From: Stuart.Allie at hydro.com.au (Stuart Allie) Date: Tue May 16 21:34:46 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: OT: need a mixer Message-ID: <3FFEDE09D8DF1C4F8DAC977A920A76B6102E499F@swhexprod.hydrotasmania.com.au> > No problem, final mixes are always done using just Ardour, and I > have no intention to buy a 40 input external mixer... > > But the one I do have is very useful, for the reasons I gave > in the previous post - flexible routing and monitoring while recording. Also for simple but > practical things like talkback. > > And in many cases I do mix 'live' and just record the stereo result. For some types of music > that's the natural way to do things - you don't want to fiddle with it afterwards. Fons, To respond to your original question, I believe that the behringer 1204 (not 1202) has the same "alt out" buttons as the mackie that you had. Another alternative is the yamaha mg12/4 - basically the same routing options as the mackie and the behringer. Both these come in a "fx" version that I've found useful for, say, adding a bit of reverb when monitoring but sending a dry signal to the pc for recording. Cheers, Stuart From hardbop200 at gmail.com Tue May 16 21:58:36 2006 From: hardbop200 at gmail.com (Josh Lawrence) Date: Tue May 16 21:58:44 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: OT: need a mixer In-Reply-To: <3FFEDE09D8DF1C4F8DAC977A920A76B6102E499F@swhexprod.hydrotasmania.com.au> References: <3FFEDE09D8DF1C4F8DAC977A920A76B6102E499F@swhexprod.hydrotasmania.com.au> Message-ID: On 5/16/06, Stuart Allie wrote: > To respond to your original question, I believe that the behringer 1204 > (not 1202) has the same "alt out" buttons as the mackie that you had. > Another alternative is the yamaha mg12/4 - basically the same routing > options as the mackie and the behringer. Both these come in a "fx" > version that I've found useful for, say, adding a bit of reverb when > monitoring but sending a dry signal to the pc for recording. > > Cheers, > > Stuart Stuart, Thanks, but I think Fons is an innocent party here. :) I'll definitely check out the mixer. In the meantime, I think your (or someones) suggestion of using a multichannel interface with a headphone amp is a good one for my setup. It's something that I haven't thought of before, so we'll see if I can get that together. Thanks for all of the advice, Josh -- Josh Lawrence http://www.hardbop200.com From hardbop200 at gmail.com Tue May 16 22:56:24 2006 From: hardbop200 at gmail.com (Josh Lawrence) Date: Tue May 16 22:56:43 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] how to force an alsa midi cleanup? In-Reply-To: <200605161706.45021.ireneshusband@yahoo.co.uk> References: <200605161706.45021.ireneshusband@yahoo.co.uk> Message-ID: On 5/16/06, Robert Persson wrote: > The situation I have right at the moment is that the connection graph in > qjackctl is showing midi ports for rosegarden, even though there is no > rosegarden running (I have double-checked using "ps -A | grep rose"). I've been having this problem a lot lately with Rosegarden. I'm using Rosegarden4. I've been getting rid of it by doing "killall rosegarden4". The Rosegarden sequencer process is named something different, like "rosegardensequencer". You might try killing that as well. -- Josh Lawrence http://www.hardbop200.com From jan at talentex.demon.co.uk Wed May 17 00:53:50 2006 From: jan at talentex.demon.co.uk (jan) Date: Wed May 17 00:54:00 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Firewire sound - which HW? Message-ID: <446AAC5E.6090108@talentex.demon.co.uk> I'm looking to buy some sound recording equipment for my computer, but what should I get? The shop I went to recommended Motu Ultralite, Motu 828 MKII, Edirol FA101 or Focusrite Sapphire, all of which look fairly nice. But how about support for them in Linux? From v2 at iki.fi Wed May 17 02:06:35 2006 From: v2 at iki.fi (Sampo Savolainen) Date: Wed May 17 02:06:44 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Firewire sound - which HW? Message-ID: <1147845995.446abd6bc5ae9@www1.helsinki.fi> Quoting jan : > I'm looking to buy some sound recording equipment for my computer, but > what should I get? The shop I went to recommended Motu Ultralite, Motu > 828 MKII, Edirol FA101 or Focusrite Sapphire, all of which look fairly > nice. But how about support for them in Linux? > To get an audio device to work with all software under linux, you need ALSA support. See http://www.alsa-project.org/alsa-doc/ for a complete list. None of the above are supported by ALSA. Firewire device support currently relies on the freebob project. Freebob doesn't currently provide an ALSA driver, but jackd includes a freebob backend. This means, that while you can't use normal consumer audio software (typical mp3 players, flashplugin, etc), you can use a firewire device with software using jackd. (Some mp3 players, etc. also support jackd). Freebob is aiming for proper ALSA support, but they aren't there yet. For which devices freebob supports, see: http://freebob.sourceforge.net/index.php/List_of_Supported_Devices >From your list, the FA101 and the Focusrite Saffire are supported. At the moment it looks like MOTU devices will never get support, as MOTU is refusing to release specifications. The same goes (sadly) for the RME fireface. Sampo From loki.davison at gmail.com Wed May 17 03:08:00 2006 From: loki.davison at gmail.com (Loki Davison) Date: Wed May 17 03:08:07 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Firewire sound - which HW? In-Reply-To: <446AAC5E.6090108@talentex.demon.co.uk> References: <446AAC5E.6090108@talentex.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: On 5/17/06, jan wrote: > I'm looking to buy some sound recording equipment for my computer, but > what should I get? The shop I went to recommended Motu Ultralite, Motu > 828 MKII, Edirol FA101 or Focusrite Sapphire, all of which look fairly > nice. But how about support for them in Linux? > is this a laptop? why this strange new obsession with firewire everyone has.... pci cards arn't worse. Quite the other way actually. Loki From gmureddu at prodigy.net.mx Wed May 17 04:25:19 2006 From: gmureddu at prodigy.net.mx (Gain Paolo Mureddu) Date: Wed May 17 04:21:44 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Sound cards inquiry (onboard solutions). Message-ID: <446ADDEF.3040903@prodigy.net.mx> Hello list, I know my inquiry is more suited for the ALSA list, but I thought I would ask you guys here first (more like the users, than users having issues with drivers). Well, the thing is that I would like to know which "embedded" audio solutions, in your experience provide the best set of features? Let me explain, I am conducting a research on Linux for the average user on commodity hardware. The thing is that for some tasks, the embedded audio solutions, simply won't "cut it", particularly for VoIP applications which are gaining strength and the overall multimedia experience. To this end, we all know audio plays a key role. However right now on Linux there is a big problem: A mixed audio environment. Why do I say this? well, on one hand we've got the incredible efforts made by the good folks over at the ALSA project, an on the other hand, we've got the number of applications that still use the Open Sound System for compatibility with other Unix systems. This is not a bad thing, the problem, in my experience, is that as a general rule commodity hardware (i.e motherboard embedded audio solutions) do not, at large, support hardware mixing with the ALSA drivers. This is a problem, because in the mixed environment with ALSA drivers, and OSS applications it is simply next to impossible to have proper software mixing. ALSA can do soft mix, but it can do so with applications which "talk" ALSA. Fortunately ALSA can decode OSS applications' audio calls, but can't soft mix the streams. This is the problem (IMO a big problem) for the average user who may want to play a game of supertux while talking with mom in Ekiga, and having some music in the background while keeping the game's SFX. These are not uncommon scenarios any more. So, if a user asks what components would he have to buy in oder of being able to experience all these sound-rich environments with Linux, or a user who may be in the hunt for components for a new Linux PC with commodity hardware that would do the job; which embedded solutions support hardware mixing with ALSA in Linux? I know the obvious answer is "Go check the ALSA sound card matrix", but here's a problem: which chipsets are actually used for motherboard audio solutions and which are used for separate cards? I know a plethora of users have opted to some solutions like running two cards, the embedded and a cheap add-on card, or stuff like that, while others are lucky to have, say a VIA VT8235/37 southbridge based motherboard with an audio controller, which supports up to 4 channels (voices/devices) in hardware, or some others are even luckier and have one of the rare 4DWave based audio solutions (which support as much as 32 channels/voices/devices). I know some chipsets like ALi and VIA (VT8235/37) support hardware mixing, but there might be a problem: the offering of VIA based motherboards is not that great anymore ever since ATi and nVidia started playing SLI/Crossfire, and as such have flooded the market with these boards, which include an ALC audio codec or the atiixp controller which both do not support hardware mixing (in my experience, anyway, things might have changed). The majority of audio solutions "in the wild" use the snd-intel8x0 driver which to the best of my knowledge does not support hardware mixing or the chips used with it do not support it. Given the mixed audio environment in Linux, and hence the lack of ability to successfully soft mix with either drivers (ALSA/OSS) while using an application written for the other, is why in my opinion, hardware mixing is a must for Linux for the average user as it stands today. I realize this will slowly change overtime as even more abstractions are made available to make this transparent across Unix systems (like the use of Gstreamer as the platform-dependant sound backend) and the audio system, applications and drivers used will no longer be a problem, but in the mean time, a great deal of users who want to use Linux experience some problems that for some may not be showstoppers, but for others they deffinitely are. By the way, I asked first here, to gather *user* information, rather than developers, as different users usually have different experiences with the same or similar hardware. I am so terribly sorry if this is completely off-topic in the list and if the e-mail is too large. From georg.holzmann at student.kug.ac.at Wed May 17 05:11:23 2006 From: georg.holzmann at student.kug.ac.at (Georg Holzmann) Date: Wed May 17 05:11:13 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] multichannel streaming Message-ID: <446AE8BB.3020609@student.kug.ac.at> Hallo! We are searching for a streaming-server for a e-learning system at a university, which can manage the following requirements: - open source - multichannel streaming in ogg (or mp3) - one audio-stream is only for one listener (it should be integrated in a zope/plone system, where only registered user can hear the stream - they can choose between various (copy-protected) pieces they want to hear, then a stream should be opened and only the one who opened it can hear it ...) - user should be able to control the audio-stream: play, pause, stop, forward, backward, time seek ... Any suggestions which of the various open source streaming-servers (icecast, freecast, ...) come close to that or already have those features ? Many thanks in advance, LG Georg From tito at rumford.de Wed May 17 05:52:26 2006 From: tito at rumford.de (Wolfgang Woehl) Date: Wed May 17 05:58:14 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Huygens' Titan descent with music Message-ID: <200605171152.26783.tito@rumford.de> There is a movie of Huygens' Titan descent on http://photojournal.jpl.nasa.gov/catalog/PIA08117 which has interesting music. Sounds triggered by events and tuned by parameters of the probe make it appear like a tourist happily doodling downward. It's technical but so cute too. -- Wolfgang From ireneshusband at yahoo.co.uk Wed May 17 06:12:10 2006 From: ireneshusband at yahoo.co.uk (Robert Persson) Date: Wed May 17 06:12:21 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] how to force an alsa midi cleanup? In-Reply-To: References: <200605161706.45021.ireneshusband@yahoo.co.uk> Message-ID: <200605170312.11815.ireneshusband@yahoo.co.uk> On Tuesday 16 May 2006 19:56 you were like: > On 5/16/06, Robert Persson wrote: > > The situation I have right at the moment is that the connection graph in > > qjackctl is showing midi ports for rosegarden, even though there is no > > rosegarden running (I have double-checked using "ps -A | grep rose"). > > I've been having this problem a lot lately with Rosegarden. I'm using > Rosegarden4. I've been getting rid of it by doing "killall > rosegarden4". The Rosegarden sequencer process is named something > different, like "rosegardensequencer". You might try killing that as > well. I've done all those things -- clicked refresh, killalled rosegarden and anything like rosegarden, kill -9ed rosegarden, kill -9ed anything to do with wine or dssi, then chopped them up and fed them to the wolves, and then blown up the wolves. But it's still there. And now it's been joined by non-existent session of muse sequencer (which hadn't been behaving at all even when it did exist, at least as far as midi connections went). I guess I've got to get around to that reboot I was planning. -- Robert Persson Conspiracy Bears: Once upon a time there were lots of conspiracy bears... From salvuz_78 at virgilio.it Wed May 17 07:05:28 2006 From: salvuz_78 at virgilio.it (Salvatore Di Pietro) Date: Wed May 17 07:06:08 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] OT: need a mixer In-Reply-To: References: <446A2292.9070402@chapelperilous.net> Message-ID: <446B0378.70701@virgilio.it> Josh Lawrence wrote: [cut] > I'm using a Delta 44, but I'm thinking about replacing it since it has > no XLR ins for mics. >Maybe an Edirol UA-1000 or UA-25 and a headphone > amp (as mentioned before). The Delta44 does have balanced input-outputs. I use it with M-Audio DMP3 mic preamp (which has balanced IO as well) using TRS->XLR adapters and I'm very satisfied with the quality (well, if I could lay my hands on a good mic now... ;) ) ciao -- salvuz POST FATA RESVRGO Linux registered user #291700 | machine #174619 get counted on ---> http://counter.li.org/ <--- From mr at ramendik.ru Wed May 17 08:34:29 2006 From: mr at ramendik.ru (Mikhail Ramendik) Date: Wed May 17 08:34:41 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] record in/out sound for an app Message-ID: <200605171634.29683.mr@ramendik.ru> 15:52 ??? 17-???-06 Hello, I have a sound card with alsa, and an IP telephony app that inputs and outputs sound (via OSS or ALSA, it can be set up both ways). I need to record a conversation, i.e. to save both captured and putput sound into a file. (If these will be two different files, it's OK). Is there a way I could do this? -- Yours, Mikhail Ramendik From bjesus at gmail.com Wed May 17 08:52:37 2006 From: bjesus at gmail.com (Yo'av Moshe) Date: Wed May 17 08:52:46 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Firewire sound - which HW? In-Reply-To: References: <446AAC5E.6090108@talentex.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: On 5/17/06, Loki Davison wrote: > is this a laptop? why this strange new obsession with firewire > everyone has.... pci cards arn't worse. Quite the other way actually. What PCI cards? Those I've seen doesn't have much inputs. Do you some recommendations? > Loki Yo'av. From v2 at iki.fi Wed May 17 08:59:50 2006 From: v2 at iki.fi (Sampo Savolainen) Date: Wed May 17 09:00:18 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Firewire sound - which HW? In-Reply-To: References: <446AAC5E.6090108@talentex.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: <1147870790.7236.1.camel@puppeli> On Wed, 2006-05-17 at 14:52 +0200, Yo'av Moshe wrote: > On 5/17/06, Loki Davison wrote: > > is this a laptop? why this strange new obsession with firewire > > everyone has.... pci cards arn't worse. Quite the other way actually. > > What PCI cards? Those I've seen doesn't have much inputs. www.rme-audio.com Check out the multiface, digiface, HDSP MADI, etc .. Their PCI cards have enough bandwidth to close mic a medium-sized classical orchestra. ;) -- Sampo Savolainen From loki.davison at gmail.com Wed May 17 09:25:59 2006 From: loki.davison at gmail.com (Loki Davison) Date: Wed May 17 09:26:27 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Firewire sound - which HW? In-Reply-To: References: <446AAC5E.6090108@talentex.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: On 5/17/06, Yo'av Moshe wrote: > On 5/17/06, Loki Davison wrote: > > is this a laptop? why this strange new obsession with firewire > > everyone has.... pci cards arn't worse. Quite the other way actually. > > What PCI cards? Those I've seen doesn't have much inputs. > > Do you some recommendations? > > > Loki > > Yo'av. > ahh..... ;) pci has way, way more options that firewire. Personally i'd only use firewire if i had a laptop, and i didn't have cardbus slots in the laptop, and i couldn't buy a laptop that did.... ;) I.e i wouldn't use firewire without some freak event. M-audio, RME and echo pci gear all works well under linux. M-audio 1010, echo layla seem like nice options for a decent amount of inputs. The layla can do adat as well, and with both cards you can have multiple cards in one machine. So a few m-audio 1010's should satisfy any need. Depends if you need 24+ inputs or what. 8 is fine for me. From toka at freebits.de Wed May 17 11:06:49 2006 From: toka at freebits.de (Marcel Karras) Date: Wed May 17 11:07:06 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Combining regions with ardour Message-ID: <20060517170649.3be950f4.toka@freebits.de> Hello, I'd like to combine some regions of a track that a overlayed. A search on Google didn't solve the problem - so can anyone of you tell me how to make one region out of n other ones? (like combining layers in gimp) Greetings - Marcel Karras -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Contact: toka@freebits.de karma@informatik.tu-chemnitz.de http://www.freebits.de http://www.tu-chemnitz.de Unix, Linux && OpenSource Student of Chemnitz University of Technology ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From rlrevell at joe-job.com Wed May 17 11:07:09 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Wed May 17 11:07:50 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Sound cards inquiry (onboard solutions). In-Reply-To: <446ADDEF.3040903@prodigy.net.mx> References: <446ADDEF.3040903@prodigy.net.mx> Message-ID: <1147878430.13948.233.camel@mindpipe> On Wed, 2006-05-17 at 03:25 -0500, Gain Paolo Mureddu wrote: > Hello list, I know my inquiry is more suited for the ALSA list, but I > thought I would ask you guys here first (more like the users, than users > having issues with drivers). The problem you describe has been solved since about ALSA 1.0.9. ALSA uses software mixing by default for all devices that require it, and OSS apps must be run with the "aoss" wrapper to make use of it. Apps that don't work with this simply need to be fixed. Lee From pcoccoli at gmail.com Wed May 17 12:23:23 2006 From: pcoccoli at gmail.com (Paul Coccoli) Date: Wed May 17 12:24:39 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: OT: need a mixer In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8d27a0610605170923k418e1dccy44274c46adb39447@mail.gmail.com> On 5/16/06, Josh Lawrence wrote: > On 5/16/06, Carlo Capocasa wrote: > > I consider mixers obsolete in the studio. > > > > I recommend you simply hook up your sound interface's outputs to active > > studio monitors and control which tracks are to be recorded and played > > with ardour's per-track 'mute' and 'rec' buttons. > > That's exactly what I've been getting hung up on, but I think I might > have found a solution: use a headphone amp. I don't have monitors (I > have young children, and most of my work is done at night, so I have > to keep it quiet). I think I'll just run the output into a headphone > amp. That should work, shouldn't it? > > -- > Josh Lawrence > http://www.hardbop200.com > This is exactly what I do now: I use a headphone amp connected to outputs 1 and 2 of my Delta 66. The headphone amp has pass-through line outputs so I also connect my hifi for when I want to use speakers. I like this a lot more than trying to use a small mixer for both mic inputs and monitoring, since I'm incapable of remembering to mute the mixer channels I'm using for monitoring while recording! The on-board Delta mixer, when used with envy24control, works out pretty well. From aaron at akjmusic.com Wed May 17 14:35:28 2006 From: aaron at akjmusic.com (Aaron Krister Johnson) Date: Wed May 17 14:35:57 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] more questions on FST Message-ID: <200605171335.28231.aaron@akjmusic.com> Hi all- I tried fst-1.7 under the latest version of wine on my Slackware 10.1 system--no luck still. I'm beginning to think that fst is not playing nice with glibc-2.3.4 Can someone who has used Kontakt under Linux share the output of /lib/libc.so.6 here with me so I can compare? Also, if glibc is indeed the problem, is there smething I can change in the fst code that would make it work with my current version if I can show debugging info--I prefer not to go through the headache of overhauling my entire system if there's a uick fix in fst code instead. Another question--barring that, if I do replace glibc, will I have to recompile my kernel, wine, etc? Best, Aaron. From nando at ccrma.Stanford.EDU Wed May 17 15:09:47 2006 From: nando at ccrma.Stanford.EDU (Fernando Lopez-Lezcano) Date: Wed May 17 15:09:59 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] how to force an alsa midi cleanup? In-Reply-To: <200605170312.11815.ireneshusband@yahoo.co.uk> References: <200605161706.45021.ireneshusband@yahoo.co.uk> <200605170312.11815.ireneshusband@yahoo.co.uk> Message-ID: <1147892988.23782.62.camel@cmn3.stanford.edu> On Wed, 2006-05-17 at 03:12 -0700, Robert Persson wrote: > On Tuesday 16 May 2006 19:56 you were like: > > On 5/16/06, Robert Persson wrote: > > > The situation I have right at the moment is that the connection graph in > > > qjackctl is showing midi ports for rosegarden, even though there is no > > > rosegarden running (I have double-checked using "ps -A | grep rose"). > > > > I've been having this problem a lot lately with Rosegarden. I'm using > > Rosegarden4. I've been getting rid of it by doing "killall > > rosegarden4". The Rosegarden sequencer process is named something > > different, like "rosegardensequencer". You might try killing that as > > well. > > I've done all those things -- clicked refresh, killalled rosegarden and > anything like rosegarden, kill -9ed rosegarden, kill -9ed anything to do with > wine or dssi, then chopped them up and fed them to the wolves, and then blown > up the wolves. But it's still there. And now it's been joined by non-existent > session of muse sequencer (which hadn't been behaving at all even when it did > exist, at least as far as midi connections went). > > I guess I've got to get around to that reboot I was planning. Most probably. Have you checked /var/log/messages and/or the output of dmesg? Most probably you will find a kernel oops that somehow touched the alsa driver only. A reboot is the only option if that happened. -- Fernando From torbenh at gmx.de Wed May 17 15:12:18 2006 From: torbenh at gmx.de (torbenh@gmx.de) Date: Wed May 17 15:15:06 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] fst problems In-Reply-To: <200605161919.03227.aaron@akjmusic.com> References: <200605161524.24391.aaron@akjmusic.com> <20060516230324.07d83601@SiRiUS.home> <20060516223940.GL7721@sofa> <200605161919.03227.aaron@akjmusic.com> Message-ID: <20060517191218.GA16124@mobilat> On Tue, May 16, 2006 at 07:19:03PM -0500, Aaron Krister Johnson wrote: > On Tuesday 16 May 2006 5:39 pm, Tim Orford wrote: > > On Tue, May 16, 2006 at 11:03:24PM +0200, Thomas Kuther wrote: > > > On Tue, 16 May 2006 22:55:38 +0200 > > > > > > Thomas Kuther wrote: > > > > On Tue, 16 May 2006 15:24:24 -0500 > > > > > > > > Aaron Krister Johnson wrote: > > > > > I've recently compiled fst-1.7 on a Slackware 10.1 system. Wine > > > > > version is wine-20050310. I get the following error when I issue > > > > > this command to try the "Kontakt2Demo.dll": > > > > > > > > > > root@aaron:~/fst-1.7# ./fst /home/akj/Desktop/Kontakt2Demo.dll > > > > > > > > your wine seems very old. Works flawlessly here with > > > > wine-0.9.12 & fst-1.7 > > > > and fine here with wine 20050211, fst-1.7 > > (though thats the Full, not the Demo version) > > > > Hi, > > I've read that certain glibc versions might be a culprit--here's the output of > executing /lib/libc.so.6: > > GNU C Library stable release version 2.3.4, by Roland McGrath et al. > Copyright (C) 2004 Free Software Foundation, Inc. > This is free software; see the source for copying conditions. > There is NO warranty; not even for MERCHANTABILITY or FITNESS FOR A > PARTICULAR PURPOSE. > Compiled by GNU CC version 3.3.4. > Compiled on a Linux 2.4.29 system on 2005-01-28. > Available extensions: > GNU libio by Per Bothner > crypt add-on version 2.1 by Michael Glad and others > GNU Libidn by Simon Josefsson > linuxthreads-0.10 by Xavier Leroy > BIND-8.2.3-T5B > libthread_db work sponsored by Alpha Processor Inc > NIS(YP)/NIS+ NSS modules 0.19 by Thorsten Kukuk > For bug reporting instructions, please see: > . > > Does anyone recognize any telltale signs that I should change my glibc > version? If so, how do I do that without breaking a running system? yep. linuxthreads. you NEED posix threads. > > -Aaron. > -- torben Hohn http://galan.sourceforge.net -- The graphical Audio language From gmureddu at prodigy.net.mx Wed May 17 15:28:39 2006 From: gmureddu at prodigy.net.mx (Gain Paolo Mureddu) Date: Wed May 17 15:25:26 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Sound cards inquiry (onboard solutions). In-Reply-To: <1147878430.13948.233.camel@mindpipe> References: <446ADDEF.3040903@prodigy.net.mx> Message-ID: <446B7967.6050702@prodigy.net.mx> Lee Revell escribi?: > The problem you describe has been solved since about ALSA 1.0.9. > > ALSA uses software mixing by default for all devices that require it, > and OSS apps must be run with the "aoss" wrapper to make use of it. > Apps that don't work with this simply need to be fixed. > > Lee > I realize this, however as a sys admin I still have to struggle to explain to users why popular applications such as Skype makes their system produce no sound whatsoever or why do their media player stops woking whenever they have open Skype or why do the messages stop sounding when... etc, etc. That is what I meant. Not that technically this wasn't possible. Still I've been unable to make some OSS applications play nice with aoss (for instance the Quake3 game, the TeamSpeak VoIP app, Skype, etc). These problems obviously do not happen with hardware mixing capable hardware (like aging and trusty Sound Blaster Live! Value), and as such , we've decided to try and see which commodity audio solutions support hardware mixing beyond ALi and some VIA chipsets (BTW, does any body know if/when the Envy series of chips will support HW mixing, or if they even do HW mixing in Windows?... I was asked the other day about this) From rlrevell at joe-job.com Wed May 17 15:40:44 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Wed May 17 15:41:11 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] more questions on FST In-Reply-To: <200605171335.28231.aaron@akjmusic.com> References: <200605171335.28231.aaron@akjmusic.com> Message-ID: <1147894844.2473.5.camel@mindpipe> On Wed, 2006-05-17 at 13:35 -0500, Aaron Krister Johnson wrote: > Another question--barring that, if I do replace glibc, will I have to > recompile my kernel, wine, etc? You would have to recompile EVERYTHING. Replacing glibc is major surgery. It's best to just upgrade to a newer distro. Lee From capocasa at gmx.net Wed May 17 16:20:22 2006 From: capocasa at gmx.net (Carlo Capocasa) Date: Wed May 17 16:21:08 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Firewire sound - which HW? In-Reply-To: <1147845995.446abd6bc5ae9@www1.helsinki.fi> References: <1147845995.446abd6bc5ae9@www1.helsinki.fi> Message-ID: > To get an audio device to work with all software under linux, you need ALSA > support. See http://www.alsa-project.org/alsa-doc/ for a complete list. ... unless, of course, you use the new 'Freebob' firewire driver which connects directly to Jack. See the recent 'firewire' thread for some info by a premiere Freebob developer. Here is the list of supported devices: http://freebob.sourceforge.net/index.php/List_of_Supported_Devices Carlo From ce at christeck.de Wed May 17 16:30:36 2006 From: ce at christeck.de (Christoph Eckert) Date: Wed May 17 16:28:59 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Firewire sound - which HW? In-Reply-To: References: <1147845995.446abd6bc5ae9@www1.helsinki.fi> Message-ID: <200605172230.36540.ce@christeck.de> > ... unless, of course, you use the new 'Freebob' firewire driver > which connects directly to Jack. See the recent 'firewire' thread for > some info by a premiere Freebob developer. Here is the list of > supported devices: > > http://freebob.sourceforge.net/index.php/List_of_Supported_Devices and I've heard a first beta release is planned "real soon now (TM)". Good news! :) Best regards ce From dubphil at free.fr Wed May 17 17:03:49 2006 From: dubphil at free.fr (Dubphil) Date: Wed May 17 17:04:03 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] multichannel streaming In-Reply-To: <446AE8BB.3020609@student.kug.ac.at> References: <446AE8BB.3020609@student.kug.ac.at> Message-ID: <446B8FB5.60001@free.fr> > Any suggestions which of the various open source streaming-servers > (icecast, freecast, ...) come close to that or already have those > features ? You can setup an icecast server to stream different channels and you build an embeded player dedicated to play a stream for each channel in your web pages. You can use several darkices, one by channel to stream, connected with jack to the application outputs or the sound card inputs (I don't know exactly what is the source of audio). It is just a question of configuration. so it is possible to achieve what you need and it looks funny to setup, if you need more help contact me. Best regards. Philippe From joelz at pobox.com Wed May 17 17:28:31 2006 From: joelz at pobox.com (Joel Roth) Date: Wed May 17 17:21:45 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] more questions on FST In-Reply-To: <1147894844.2473.5.camel@mindpipe> References: <200605171335.28231.aaron@akjmusic.com> <1147894844.2473.5.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <20060517212831.GA25030@sprite> On Wed, May 17, 2006 at 03:40:44PM -0400, Lee Revell wrote: > On Wed, 2006-05-17 at 13:35 -0500, Aaron Krister Johnson wrote: > > Another question--barring that, if I do replace glibc, will I have to > > recompile my kernel, wine, etc? > > You would have to recompile EVERYTHING. Replacing glibc is major > surgery. > > It's best to just upgrade to a newer distro. I found this out the hard way. Using debian, dselect is a large-caliber gun aimed directly at the foot of the user, who just wants to install some innocent package. Fortunately, enlightened users know about apt-get, so that if you know how to use the command line, you can just add the --force argument and shoot your foot with equal efficiency. But then freedom is what enables backhoe drivers to work near the edges of ravines. How could we live without it? > Lee -- Joel Roth From hardbop200 at gmail.com Wed May 17 17:27:24 2006 From: hardbop200 at gmail.com (Josh Lawrence) Date: Wed May 17 17:27:31 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] more questions on FST In-Reply-To: <20060517212831.GA25030@sprite> References: <200605171335.28231.aaron@akjmusic.com> <1147894844.2473.5.camel@mindpipe> <20060517212831.GA25030@sprite> Message-ID: On 5/17/06, Joel Roth wrote: > I found this out the hard way. Using debian, dselect is a > large-caliber gun aimed directly at the foot of the user, > who just wants to install some innocent package. > > Fortunately, enlightened users know about apt-get, so that > if you know how to use the command line, you can just add > the --force argument and shoot your foot with equal > efficiency. > > But then freedom is what enables backhoe drivers to work > near the edges of ravines. How could we live without it? This is the funniest thing I've read all day. :) We need a quote archive... -- Josh Lawrence http://www.hardbop200.com From rlrevell at joe-job.com Wed May 17 17:51:00 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Wed May 17 17:51:10 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Sound cards inquiry (onboard solutions). In-Reply-To: <446B7967.6050702@prodigy.net.mx> References: <446ADDEF.3040903@prodigy.net.mx> <446B7967.6050702@prodigy.net.mx> Message-ID: <1147902661.10153.9.camel@mindpipe> On Wed, 2006-05-17 at 14:28 -0500, Gain Paolo Mureddu wrote: > Lee Revell escribi?: > > The problem you describe has been solved since about ALSA 1.0.9. > > > > ALSA uses software mixing by default for all devices that require it, > > and OSS apps must be run with the "aoss" wrapper to make use of it. > > Apps that don't work with this simply need to be fixed. > > > > Lee > > > I realize this, however as a sys admin I still have to struggle to > explain to users why popular applications such as Skype makes their > system produce no sound whatsoever or why do their media player stops > woking whenever they have open Skype or why do the messages stop > sounding when... etc, etc. That is what I meant. Not that technically > this wasn't possible. Still I've been unable to make some OSS > applications play nice with aoss (for instance the Quake3 game, the > TeamSpeak VoIP app, Skype, etc). Yep, it sucks. The impossibility of making in-kernel OSS emulation with the advanced features of ALSA is probably the #1 unresolved sound issue afflicting the Linux desktop. The only solution I see is to get these apps fixed. Skype and Macromedia (flash plugin) have been promising native ALSA support for some time now - maybe that will happen someday ;-). We should try to educate closed source vendors that OSS is not a reasonable option. You could help by trying to figure out why these apps won't work with aoss - there are a few open ALSA bug reports with lots of info already. > These problems obviously do not happen > with hardware mixing capable hardware (like aging and trusty Sound > Blaster Live! Value), and as such , we've decided to try and see which > commodity audio solutions support hardware mixing beyond ALi and some > VIA chipsets (BTW, does any body know if/when the Envy series of chips > will support HW mixing, or if they even do HW mixing in Windows?... I > was asked the other day about this) > I don't think anyone has designed a new hardware mixing device in years. It's all single-access with software mixing these days because it makes the hardware cheaper. The Envy stuff will never support hardware mixing because it works on Windows without it ;-) Lee From gmureddu at prodigy.net.mx Wed May 17 19:30:34 2006 From: gmureddu at prodigy.net.mx (Gain Paolo Mureddu) Date: Wed May 17 19:28:08 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Sound cards inquiry (onboard solutions). In-Reply-To: <1147902661.10153.9.camel@mindpipe> References: <446ADDEF.3040903@prodigy.net.mx> <446B7967.6050702@prodigy.net.mx> <1147902661.10153.9.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <446BB21A.30302@prodigy.net.mx> Lee Revell escribi?: > Yep, it sucks. The impossibility of making in-kernel OSS emulation with > the advanced features of ALSA is probably the #1 unresolved sound issue > afflicting the Linux desktop. The only solution I see is to get these > apps fixed. Skype and Macromedia (flash plugin) have been promising > native ALSA support for some time now - maybe that will happen > someday ;-). We should try to educate closed source vendors that OSS is > not a reasonable option. > > You could help by trying to figure out why these apps won't work with > aoss - there are a few open ALSA bug reports with lots of info already. > I also realize that having a drive agnostic system like GStreamer is a good thing too (sort of like a HAL for multimedia apps), as GStreamer would communicate with the driver which would do soft mix via dmix and it would also be completely compatible with other Unix systems like *BSD, regardless if they use OSS for their sound drivers (as 4Front OSS is still the main driver supplier for pretty much all of the other Unix systems), this seems like a good idea especially for media players, but for other applications that require more direct access, having an ALSA compatible output would be best (like Skype, games, TeamSpeak, etc) > I don't think anyone has designed a new hardware mixing device in years. > It's all single-access with software mixing these days because it makes > the hardware cheaper. The Envy stuff will never support hardware mixing > because it works on Windows without it ;-) > > Lee > I kind of figured that much (the Envy24 arch not having a hardware mixing DSP), just needed to be sure about that. Indeed hardware mixing cards are quite expensive, as still today an Audgy 2 ZS sells for nearly as much as an X-Fi Extreme Music edition (about $160 USD) down here. From rlrevell at joe-job.com Wed May 17 19:51:13 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Wed May 17 19:51:26 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Sound cards inquiry (onboard solutions). In-Reply-To: <446BB21A.30302@prodigy.net.mx> References: <446ADDEF.3040903@prodigy.net.mx> <446B7967.6050702@prodigy.net.mx> <1147902661.10153.9.camel@mindpipe> <446BB21A.30302@prodigy.net.mx> Message-ID: <1147909874.10153.59.camel@mindpipe> On Wed, 2006-05-17 at 18:30 -0500, Gain Paolo Mureddu wrote: > Lee Revell escribi?: > > Yep, it sucks. The impossibility of making in-kernel OSS emulation with > > the advanced features of ALSA is probably the #1 unresolved sound issue > > afflicting the Linux desktop. The only solution I see is to get these > > apps fixed. Skype and Macromedia (flash plugin) have been promising > > native ALSA support for some time now - maybe that will happen > > someday ;-). We should try to educate closed source vendors that OSS is > > not a reasonable option. > > > > You could help by trying to figure out why these apps won't work with > > aoss - there are a few open ALSA bug reports with lots of info already. > > > I also realize that having a drive agnostic system like GStreamer is a > good thing too (sort of like a HAL for multimedia apps), as GStreamer > would communicate with the driver which would do soft mix via dmix and > it would also be completely compatible with other Unix systems like > *BSD, regardless if they use OSS for their sound drivers (as 4Front OSS > is still the main driver supplier for pretty much all of the other Unix > systems) IMHO Linux and OSX are the only relevant Unices today. I can't believe that Skype would cripple the Linux version just to run on FreeBSD or Solaris if they knew what they were doing... I suspect they were simply not aware that the in-kernel OSS emulation lacks so many features compared with native ALSA. Or maybe they assumed that it was something that could be fixed eventually (which is impossible as ALSA implements mixing, routing, volume control, SRC, etc in userspace). > , this seems like a good idea especially for media players, but > for other applications that require more direct access, having an ALSA > compatible output would be best (like Skype, games, TeamSpeak, etc) > True, but then you get into sound server dependencies, Gnome vs KDE issues, etc. ALSA is the one option that's guaranteed to work on any modern Linux distro. > > I don't think anyone has designed a new hardware mixing device in years. > > It's all single-access with software mixing these days because it makes > > the hardware cheaper. The Envy stuff will never support hardware mixing > > because it works on Windows without it ;-) > > > > Lee > > > I kind of figured that much (the Envy24 arch not having a hardware > mixing DSP), just needed to be sure about that. Indeed hardware mixing > cards are quite expensive, as still today an Audgy 2 ZS sells for nearly > as much as an X-Fi Extreme Music edition (about $160 USD) down here. > Well, you can still get a hardware mixing SBLive! for $10 or Audigy 2 Value for $30 IIRC... Lee From tito at rumford.de Wed May 17 20:14:31 2006 From: tito at rumford.de (Wolfgang Woehl) Date: Wed May 17 20:20:28 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Combining regions with ardour In-Reply-To: <20060517170649.3be950f4.toka@freebits.de> References: <20060517170649.3be950f4.toka@freebits.de> Message-ID: <200605180214.32081.tito@rumford.de> Wednesday 17 May 2006 17:06, Marcel Karras: > I'd like to combine some regions of a track that a overlayed. A search > on Google didn't solve the problem - so can anyone of you tell me how > to make one region out of n other ones? (like combining layers in gimp) Actually there would be no sane reason to want that but I do it too. Nail a track with many edits and gain envelopes down to the ground just to make sure. I record it to a new track which is paranoid and a waste of space but, hell, it feels good. Commitment :) To answer your question: Currently there is no other way to "combine" a number of regions into one. What you ask for technically is a container with some gui means to keep the regions' resizable (Remember: A region is a resizable view of a soundfile. Split a region, delete the first half and pull the handle of the rest back to the left side: You get to see the whole thing again. Senor Nondestructivo in action). Would be neat but it ain't there. -- Wolfgang From gmureddu at prodigy.net.mx Wed May 17 20:34:45 2006 From: gmureddu at prodigy.net.mx (Gain Paolo Mureddu) Date: Wed May 17 20:31:03 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Sound cards inquiry (onboard solutions). In-Reply-To: <1147909874.10153.59.camel@mindpipe> References: <446ADDEF.3040903@prodigy.net.mx> <446B7967.6050702@prodigy.net.mx> <1147902661.10153.9.camel@mindpipe> <446BB21A.30302@prodigy.net.mx> <1147909874.10153.59.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <446BC125.1060600@prodigy.net.mx> Lee Revell escribi?: > Well, you can still get a hardware mixing SBLive! for $10 or Audigy 2 > Value for $30 IIRC... > > Lee > > I haven't seen any Live! cards or Audigy 2 Value anywhere (maybe they don't get down here any more [I live in Mexico]), all you see are crappier 'generic' cards or top knotch Audigy/X-Fi... I wonder if I could get hold of 10 original Live! cards or a couple Adigy 2 Values, hehe. From seb at cine7.net Wed May 17 20:40:07 2006 From: seb at cine7.net (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?S=E9bastien?= Cevey) Date: Wed May 17 20:40:20 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Korg Legacy controller (MS-20 usb-midi) under Linux? Message-ID: <87ejysjhco.wl%seb@cine7.net> Hello! I am very tempted by the Korg Legacy Collection package [1], which includes the Legacy emulation software (for win32/MacOS X) and a USB-Midi controller keyboard mimicking the design of the Korg MS-20. Obviously, the software would not run under Linux, but I was wondering if anyone has tried to use the keyboard as a standard midi controller (keys+knobs) under Linux? The manual says it works out-of-the-box on MacOS X using the standard midi drivers ; would this mean that it uses standard usbmidi protocol and would work with the generic kernel module? Thanks in advance! [1] http://www.korg.co.uk/products/software_controllers/legacy/sc_legacy.asp -- S?bastien Cevey | http://sirius.cine7.net/ | GPG: AEE9D6B9 Jabber: theefer@albus.cine7.net | ICQ: 48895760 | MSN: theefer@hotmail.com " To condense fact from the vapor of nuance. " Neal Stephenson [ Snow Crash ] From aaron at akjmusic.com Wed May 17 20:53:54 2006 From: aaron at akjmusic.com (Aaron Krister Johnson) Date: Wed May 17 20:54:32 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] more questions on FST In-Reply-To: <1147894844.2473.5.camel@mindpipe> References: <200605171335.28231.aaron@akjmusic.com> <1147894844.2473.5.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <200605171953.55094.aaron@akjmusic.com> On Wednesday 17 May 2006 2:40 pm, you wrote: > On Wed, 2006-05-17 at 13:35 -0500, Aaron Krister Johnson wrote: > > Another question--barring that, if I do replace glibc, will I have to > > recompile my kernel, wine, etc? > > You would have to recompile EVERYTHING. Replacing glibc is major > surgery. > > It's best to just upgrade to a newer distro. If I make that choice, I want to know for sure that I can run fst on it....and from the reviews, if I switch to anything, it would be Ubuntu...does anyone know for sure that fst will work on Ubuntu? From rlrevell at joe-job.com Wed May 17 21:00:28 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Wed May 17 21:00:42 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] more questions on FST In-Reply-To: <200605171953.55094.aaron@akjmusic.com> References: <200605171335.28231.aaron@akjmusic.com> <1147894844.2473.5.camel@mindpipe> <200605171953.55094.aaron@akjmusic.com> Message-ID: <1147914029.10153.65.camel@mindpipe> On Wed, 2006-05-17 at 19:53 -0500, Aaron Krister Johnson wrote: > On Wednesday 17 May 2006 2:40 pm, you wrote: > > On Wed, 2006-05-17 at 13:35 -0500, Aaron Krister Johnson wrote: > > > Another question--barring that, if I do replace glibc, will I have to > > > recompile my kernel, wine, etc? > > > > You would have to recompile EVERYTHING. Replacing glibc is major > > surgery. > > > > It's best to just upgrade to a newer distro. > > > If I make that choice, I want to know for sure that I can run fst on it....and > from the reviews, if I switch to anything, it would be Ubuntu...does anyone > know for sure that fst will work on Ubuntu? > The answer will depend on the plugin. Did you have the same problem with all VST plugins or just Kontakt? Lee From jan at talentex.demon.co.uk Thu May 18 01:40:45 2006 From: jan at talentex.demon.co.uk (jan) Date: Thu May 18 01:40:52 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Firewire sound - which HW? In-Reply-To: References: <446AAC5E.6090108@talentex.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: <446C08DD.3090604@talentex.demon.co.uk> Loki Davison wrote: > On 5/17/06, jan wrote: > >> I'm looking to buy some sound recording equipment for my computer, but >> what should I get? The shop I went to recommended Motu Ultralite, Motu >> 828 MKII, Edirol FA101 or Focusrite Sapphire, all of which look fairly >> nice. But how about support for them in Linux? >> > > is this a laptop? why this strange new obsession with firewire > everyone has.... pci cards arn't worse. Quite the other way actually. > > Loki > No, not a laptop. Firewire has been recommended to me by several people who ought to know about these things (musicians); the main reason being that while a pCI card may have all the functionality, it also has much more of a tendency to pick up electrical noise from the computer. This may of course not be a big problem, especially if the music you record fills out the entire sound spectrum all the time, but it is clearly not satisfactory if you record, say, a single instrument (in my case a renaissance lute). Also, of course, a box with firewire would be a lot easier to carry around and share; and even connect to a laptop in an emergency. /jan From seablaede at gmail.com Thu May 18 02:31:21 2006 From: seablaede at gmail.com (Thomas Vecchione) Date: Thu May 18 02:27:43 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Firewire sound - which HW? In-Reply-To: <446C08DD.3090604@talentex.demon.co.uk> References: <446AAC5E.6090108@talentex.demon.co.uk> <446C08DD.3090604@talentex.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: <446C14B9.5040002@gmail.com> >> > No, not a laptop. Firewire has been recommended to me by several people who ought to know about these things (musicians); the main reason being that while a pCI card may have all the functionality, it also has much more of a tendency to pick up electrical noise from the computer. This may of course not be a big problem, especially if the music you record fills out the entire sound spectrum all the time, but it is clearly not satisfactory if you record, say, a single instrument (in my case a renaissance lute). I could be wrong but I believe the Multiface or Digiface may be an option for you if you are worried about pickup from the internals of the computer and arent comfortable shielding your sound card yourself. I suppose that primarily depends on where the A/D happens on that card though, obviously with the Digiface it is before you even get to the card on most of it, I think the multiface it is in the breakout box, so electrical pickup shouldnt be a problem. That being said, I run a RME HDSP 9632 in my box, havent had a single problem with electrical interference. I dont do classical recording, I DO do a variety of sound effects for theater though so I get a range of dynamics and frequencies. YMMV of course, but even in those cases where you do there are some shielding techniques you can apply, I believe Sound On Sound did an article or two on this about a year back by Martin Walker. Firewire is a nice handy interface spec, but is not the answer to every situation. Seablade From pshirkey at boosthardware.com Thu May 18 02:57:04 2006 From: pshirkey at boosthardware.com (Patrick Shirkey) Date: Thu May 18 02:57:32 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Combining regions with ardour In-Reply-To: <200605180214.32081.tito@rumford.de> References: <20060517170649.3be950f4.toka@freebits.de> <200605180214.32081.tito@rumford.de> Message-ID: <446C1AC0.2080905@boosthardware.com> Wolfgang Woehl wrote: > > To answer your question: Currently there is no other way to "combine" a number > of regions into one. What you ask for technically is a container with some > gui means to keep the regions' resizable (Remember: A region is a resizable > view of a soundfile. Split a region, delete the first half and pull the > handle of the rest back to the left side: You get to see the whole thing > again. Senor Nondestructivo in action). Would be neat but it ain't there. > You can do this in ardour. Yeah! -- Patrick Shirkey - Boost Hardware Ltd. Http://www.boosthardware.com Http://www.djcj.org/LAU/guide/ - The Linux Audio Users guide ======================================== "Anything your mind can see you can manifest physically, then it will become reality" - Macka B From pieterp at joow.be Thu May 18 04:22:40 2006 From: pieterp at joow.be (Pieter Palmers) Date: Thu May 18 04:22:25 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Firewire sound - which HW? In-Reply-To: <200605172230.36540.ce@christeck.de> References: <1147845995.446abd6bc5ae9@www1.helsinki.fi> <200605172230.36540.ce@christeck.de> Message-ID: <446C2ED0.7030909@joow.be> Christoph Eckert wrote: >>... unless, of course, you use the new 'Freebob' firewire driver >>which connects directly to Jack. See the recent 'firewire' thread for >>some info by a premiere Freebob developer. Here is the list of >>supported devices: >> >>http://freebob.sourceforge.net/index.php/List_of_Supported_Devices > > > and I've heard a first beta release is planned "real soon now (TM)". > Good news! :) > "Real Soon Now" being something like next week. Greets, Pieter Palmers Freebob developer From loki.davison at gmail.com Thu May 18 05:01:53 2006 From: loki.davison at gmail.com (Loki Davison) Date: Thu May 18 05:02:00 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Firewire sound - which HW? In-Reply-To: <446C08DD.3090604@talentex.demon.co.uk> References: <446AAC5E.6090108@talentex.demon.co.uk> <446C08DD.3090604@talentex.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: On 5/18/06, jan wrote: > Loki Davison wrote: > > On 5/17/06, jan wrote: > > > >> I'm looking to buy some sound recording equipment for my computer, but > >> what should I get? The shop I went to recommended Motu Ultralite, Motu > >> 828 MKII, Edirol FA101 or Focusrite Sapphire, all of which look fairly > >> nice. But how about support for them in Linux? > >> > > > > is this a laptop? why this strange new obsession with firewire > > everyone has.... pci cards arn't worse. Quite the other way actually. > > > > Loki > > > No, not a laptop. Firewire has been recommended to me by several people > who ought to know about these things (musicians); the main reason being > that while a pCI card may have all the functionality, it also has much > more of a tendency to pick up electrical noise from the computer. This > may of course not be a big problem, especially if the music you record > fills out the entire sound spectrum all the time, but it is clearly not > satisfactory if you record, say, a single instrument (in my case a > renaissance lute). > > Also, of course, a box with firewire would be a lot easier to carry > around and share; and even connect to a laptop in an emergency. > > /jan umm... bullshit? Look at the layla for example. Or rme's offerings. The pci card doesn't do anything to do with analog signals. The ad/da's are in the external box, and it's just digital signals going to the pci card, same as with a firewire solution, only you don't have to deal with dodgy firewire controllers on the motherboard, etc. Look at rme's pro cards, eg the amazingly expensive madi cards, they are pci too. I find you're reply quite insultingly toned btw, >Firewire has been recommended to me by several people > who ought to know about these things (musicians) mmm... i'm not on lau because i want my onboard soundcard to play back system sounds better.... shocking as it may seem some of us are also musicians. Loki From pshirkey at boosthardware.com Thu May 18 05:20:22 2006 From: pshirkey at boosthardware.com (Patrick Shirkey) Date: Thu May 18 05:21:04 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Firewire sound - which HW? In-Reply-To: References: <446AAC5E.6090108@talentex.demon.co.uk> <446C08DD.3090604@talentex.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: <446C3C56.2050506@boosthardware.com> Loki Davison wrote: > >> > >> > is this a laptop? why this strange new obsession with firewire >> > everyone has.... pci cards arn't worse. Quite the other way actually. >> > Does it matter? It's a new technology and currently "cool" so plenty of people are going to want to have access to it. The best part is that we now have support for a broad spectrum of the available devices thanks to the freebob team. me => Ducking for cover ;) -- Patrick Shirkey - Boost Hardware Ltd. Http://www.boosthardware.com Http://www.djcj.org/LAU/guide/ - The Linux Audio Users guide ======================================== "Anything your mind can see you can manifest physically, then it will become reality" - Macka B From lists at tim.euro1net.com Thu May 18 05:21:54 2006 From: lists at tim.euro1net.com (Tim Orford) Date: Thu May 18 05:21:13 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] more questions on FST In-Reply-To: <200605171335.28231.aaron@akjmusic.com> References: <200605171335.28231.aaron@akjmusic.com> Message-ID: <20060518092154.GR7721@sofa> On Wed, May 17, 2006 at 01:35:28PM -0500, Aaron Krister Johnson wrote: > Can someone who has used Kontakt under Linux share the output > of /lib/libc.so.6 here with me so I can compare? GNU C Library stable release version 2.3.5, by Roland McGrath et al. Copyright (C) 2005 Free Software Foundation, Inc. This is free software; see the source for copying conditions. There is NO warranty; not even for MERCHANTABILITY or FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE. Compiled by GNU CC version 3.2.3 20030422 (Gentoo Linux 1.4 3.2.3-r1, propolice). Compiled on a Linux 2.6.11 system on 2006-02-04. Available extensions: GNU libio by Per Bothner crypt add-on version 2.1 by Michael Glad and others linuxthreads-0.10 by Xavier Leroy The C stubs add-on version 2.1.2. GNU Libidn by Simon Josefsson BIND-8.2.3-T5B libthread_db work sponsored by Alpha Processor Inc NIS(YP)/NIS+ NSS modules 0.19 by Thorsten Kukuk Thread-local storage support included. For bug reporting instructions, please see: . (this system appears to run Kontakt2 fine) -- Tim Orford From loki.davison at gmail.com Thu May 18 06:27:16 2006 From: loki.davison at gmail.com (Loki Davison) Date: Thu May 18 06:27:23 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Firewire sound - which HW? In-Reply-To: <446C3C56.2050506@boosthardware.com> References: <446AAC5E.6090108@talentex.demon.co.uk> <446C08DD.3090604@talentex.demon.co.uk> <446C3C56.2050506@boosthardware.com> Message-ID: On 5/18/06, Patrick Shirkey wrote: > Loki Davison wrote: > > > >> > > >> > is this a laptop? why this strange new obsession with firewire > >> > everyone has.... pci cards arn't worse. Quite the other way actually. > >> > > > Does it matter? > > It's a new technology and currently "cool" so plenty of people are going > to want to have access to it. The best part is that we now have support > for a broad spectrum of the available devices thanks to the freebob team. > > me => Ducking for cover ;) Yeah, that makes sense, and it's got the word fire in it! it must be cool. Loki From debian at fastwebnet.it Thu May 18 07:37:10 2006 From: debian at fastwebnet.it (Antonino Ingargiola) Date: Thu May 18 07:36:57 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Denormal problems with some LADSPA plugins In-Reply-To: <4465D94D.8080702@f2s.com> References: <4464DE4E.1000900@f2s.com> <200605131325.08772.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> <4465D94D.8080702@f2s.com> Message-ID: <20060518133710.6ffdcfbc@fulmine> On Sat, 13 May 2006 14:04:13 +0100 Q wrote: > How easy is it to recompile a kernel? Could it cause more problems > than it would solve? It sounds rather daunting for a newb like me. > But on the other hand, my mixing is grinding to a halt -- quite > literally! Perhaps I'll just get a load of tracking done until I find > a solution. If you want to recompile the kernel here is a complete guide for demudi (it applies to debian too): http://demudi.agnula.org/wiki/Low-latencyKernelBuildingHowto There's also a sample .config file to start with. It's a bit time consuming the first time, but I think it's feasible even for a (motivated) newbye. If something is not clear or you have any doubt report it to the demudi mailing list and we'll help you, and fix the unclarities ;-). Cheers, ~ Antonio From rlrevell at joe-job.com Thu May 18 08:07:17 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Thu May 18 08:07:29 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Firewire sound - which HW? In-Reply-To: References: <446AAC5E.6090108@talentex.demon.co.uk> <446C08DD.3090604@talentex.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: <1147954038.12531.30.camel@mindpipe> On Thu, 2006-05-18 at 19:01 +1000, Loki Davison wrote: > umm... bullshit? > > Look at the layla for example. Or rme's offerings. The pci card > doesn't do anything to do with analog signals. The ad/da's are in the > external box, and it's just digital signals going to the pci card, > same as with a firewire solution, only you don't have to deal with > dodgy firewire controllers on the motherboard, etc. Look at rme's pro > cards, eg the amazingly expensive madi cards, they are pci too. I find > you're reply quite insultingly toned btw, Also AFAICT firewire will never be capable of latency as low as a good PCI device. Lee From listreader at lupulin.net Thu May 18 08:36:51 2006 From: listreader at lupulin.net (paul wisehart) Date: Thu May 18 08:39:56 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Sound cards inquiry (onboard solutions). In-Reply-To: <1147909874.10153.59.camel@mindpipe> References: <446ADDEF.3040903@prodigy.net.mx> <446B7967.6050702@prodigy.net.mx> <1147902661.10153.9.camel@mindpipe> <446BB21A.30302@prodigy.net.mx> <1147909874.10153.59.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <20060518123651.GD5785@seraph.office.techtarget.com> On Wed, May 17, 2006 at 07:51:13PM -0400, Lee Revell wrote: > IMHO Linux and OSX are the only relevant Unices today. I think you should have qualified that with; "for audio/multimedia work". -- paul w From georg.holzmann at student.kug.ac.at Thu May 18 08:50:18 2006 From: georg.holzmann at student.kug.ac.at (Georg Holzmann) Date: Thu May 18 08:50:12 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] multichannel streaming In-Reply-To: <446B8FB5.60001@free.fr> References: <446AE8BB.3020609@student.kug.ac.at> <446B8FB5.60001@free.fr> Message-ID: <446C6D8A.5000405@student.kug.ac.at> Hallo! > You can setup an icecast server to stream different channels and you > build an embeded player dedicated to play a stream for each channel in > your web pages. yes, that's what I thought too ... I think the bigger problem is the right-management: There is a database of recordings on the server, and only registered users (students) are allowed to hear those. So if a user wants to hear record A, then a stream should be opened (maybe a new mount point ?) and only this user should be allowed to hear the stream ... Is this possible with icecast or with something else ? (but I think I should write that to the icecast list ... ;) Many thanks, LG Georg From paul at linuxaudiosystems.com Thu May 18 09:41:02 2006 From: paul at linuxaudiosystems.com (Paul Davis) Date: Thu May 18 09:41:11 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Firewire sound - which HW? In-Reply-To: <446C08DD.3090604@talentex.demon.co.uk> References: <446AAC5E.6090108@talentex.demon.co.uk> <446C08DD.3090604@talentex.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: <1147959662.17100.65.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Thu, 2006-05-18 at 06:40 +0100, jan wrote: > No, not a laptop. Firewire has been recommended to me by several people > who ought to know about these things (musicians); the main reason being > that while a pCI card may have all the functionality, it also has much > more of a tendency to pick up electrical noise from the computer. This you're "friends who ought to know more about these things" don't know enough. consumer audio devices may (and do) suffer from this, but serious pro/pro-sumer devices do not. its not even required that the analog i/o be outside the box - lots of people love the iZ RADAR system and it puts all of its converters *inside* a 4U chassis with a regular intel-based computer. of course, iZ does know a bit about high end power regulation and converter clock coupling :) > Also, of course, a box with firewire would be a lot easier to carry > around and share; and even connect to a laptop in an emergency. this is true. From pw_lists at slinkp.com Thu May 18 10:48:58 2006 From: pw_lists at slinkp.com (Paul Winkler) Date: Thu May 18 10:49:17 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Firewire sound - which HW? In-Reply-To: <1147959662.17100.65.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <446AAC5E.6090108@talentex.demon.co.uk> <446C08DD.3090604@talentex.demon.co.uk> <1147959662.17100.65.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <20060518144858.GA11222@slinkp.com> On Thu, May 18, 2006 at 09:41:02AM -0400, Paul Davis wrote: > you're "friends who ought to know more about these things" don't know > enough. consumer audio devices may (and do) suffer from this, but > serious pro/pro-sumer devices do not. its not even required that the > analog i/o be outside the box - lots of people love the iZ RADAR system > and it puts all of its converters *inside* a 4U chassis with a regular > intel-based computer. of course, iZ does know a bit about high end power > regulation and converter clock coupling :) Another example: the Delta 66 and Delta 44 do conversion inside the chassis as well. Noise specs are still pretty darn good for the money. The Delta 1010 puts the converters outside the box and does have a slightly better S/N ratio. But frankly, most of us with home studios will struggle to get a quiet enough recording environment that *acoustic* noises don't totally obscure the noise floor of the 66 or 44. To me, the attraction of firewire is purely its ease of portability. -- Paul Winkler http://www.slinkp.com From ljc at internet.com.uy Thu May 18 11:39:35 2006 From: ljc at internet.com.uy (luis jure) Date: Thu May 18 11:43:08 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Firewire sound - which HW? In-Reply-To: <446C08DD.3090604@talentex.demon.co.uk> References: <446AAC5E.6090108@talentex.demon.co.uk> <446C08DD.3090604@talentex.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: <20060518123935.7b9a32b8@acme.acmenet> el Thu, 18 May 2006 06:40:45 +0100 jan escribi?: > people who ought to know about these things (musicians); if you analyze this expression a bit more carefully, you'll soon realize it's an oxymoron. -- From clemens at ladisch.de Thu May 18 12:39:41 2006 From: clemens at ladisch.de (Clemens Ladisch) Date: Thu May 18 12:40:35 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Korg Legacy controller (MS-20 usb-midi) under Linux? In-Reply-To: <87ejysjhco.wl%seb@cine7.net> References: <87ejysjhco.wl%seb@cine7.net> Message-ID: <20060518163941.GB14873@turing.informatik.uni-halle.de> S?bastien Cevey wrote: > The manual says it works out-of-the-box on MacOS X using the standard > midi drivers ; would this mean that it uses standard usbmidi protocol > and would work with the generic kernel module? Yes. HTH Clemens From clemens at ladisch.de Thu May 18 12:49:31 2006 From: clemens at ladisch.de (Clemens Ladisch) Date: Thu May 18 12:51:54 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Sound cards inquiry (onboard solutions). In-Reply-To: <446ADDEF.3040903@prodigy.net.mx> References: <446ADDEF.3040903@prodigy.net.mx> Message-ID: <20060518164931.GC14873@turing.informatik.uni-halle.de> Gain Paolo Mureddu wrote: > which embedded solutions support hardware mixing with ALSA in Linux? VIA's VT8235/7 is the only one. Regards, Clemens From folderol at ukfsn.org Thu May 18 15:11:35 2006 From: folderol at ukfsn.org (Folderol) Date: Thu May 18 15:10:07 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Nothing new! Message-ID: <20060518201135.6c66a618@office> Well that says it all really :) I've oggificated a few more of my tracks and also re-balanced the instruments - That doesn't make them play any faster but might make them sound smoother :) The tracks affected are Raspberry Jam, Trixie & Sad Angel I'm hoping I might have something new by the end of the weekend, but the better the weather, the less likely that is happen. I'm seriously in need of prolonged photon bombardment and corporeal rejuvenation. folderol.ukfsn.org P.S. I also got bored with a plain white background! -- F From atte.jensen at gmail.com Thu May 18 15:37:12 2006 From: atte.jensen at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Atte_Andr=E9_Jensen?=) Date: Thu May 18 15:37:26 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] audio on ibm x31 Message-ID: <446CCCE8.2000503@gmail.com> Hi I'm thinking about getting an ibm x31, pentium M, 1.6ghz laptop. Anyone has this or knows how well it would perform for low latency, linux audio? 1) How good/decent/crappy is the onboard soundcard? 2) How much of it's hardware can I expect *not* to get working? 3) How would the 1.6 pentium M compare to my pentium 2.4 laptop in performance? My main sound app is csound, and I normally run debian/stable... Link (danish, but you might be able to see more specs): http://www.laptops.dk/product_info.php?products_id=444&osCsid=4ae0fe9028214b358fdb446346428ba5 -- peace, love & harmony Atte http://www.atte.dk | quartet: http://www.anagrammer.dk http://www.atte.dk/gps | compositions: http://www.atte.dk/compositions From listreader at lupulin.net Thu May 18 16:00:02 2006 From: listreader at lupulin.net (paul wisehart) Date: Thu May 18 16:02:20 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] audio on ibm x31 In-Reply-To: <446CCCE8.2000503@gmail.com> References: <446CCCE8.2000503@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20060518200002.GA17505@seraph.office.techtarget.com> On Thu, May 18, 2006 at 09:37:12PM +0200, Atte Andr? Jensen wrote: > I'm thinking about getting an ibm x31, pentium M, 1.6ghz laptop. Anyone > has this or knows how well it would perform for low latency, linux audio? > > 1) How good/decent/crappy is the onboard soundcard? > 2) How much of it's hardware can I expect *not* to get working? > 3) How would the 1.6 pentium M compare to my pentium 2.4 laptop in > performance? Pentium M's are awesome. It will probably outperform a p4. I was looking at one of those refurbed X31s on IBM's website. Thats a real nice machine. -- paul w From pshirkey at boosthardware.com Thu May 18 19:01:50 2006 From: pshirkey at boosthardware.com (Patrick Shirkey) Date: Thu May 18 19:02:33 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Quicktoots back online Message-ID: <446CFCDE.4010906@boosthardware.com> Hi, Just a short announcement to let everyone know the new and slightly improved Quicktoots homepage is now online at it's new address: http://quicktoots.linuxaudio.org As always we would love to have more submissions on new ways to use the latest tools. If you are interested in having your name up in lights let me know. ----------------------- Background: The purpose of the Quicktoots are to provide a community resource of informative guides for using Linux audio applications. The Quicktoots are the brainchild of Dave Phillips the man responsible for the most comprehensive webpage devoted to Linux audio applications. The Linux Sound and Midi page. Your one stop resource for Linux sound software. http://www.linux-sound.org If you are in the position to link to any of the quicktoots please link to the main page. That way we can keep more accurate statistics on the amount of people viewing the pages. If you are interested in contributing to the Quicktoots please let us know. All work must be submitted to either Dave or myself and we will give advice or make changes to ensure our publishing standard is met. If you are not able to send html don't worry because I am willing to format any braindumps. Enjoy. ----------------------- Cheers. -- Patrick Shirkey - Boost Hardware Ltd. Http://www.boosthardware.com Http://www.djcj.org/LAU/guide/ - The Linux Audio Users guide ======================================== "Anything your mind can see you can manifest physically, then it will become reality" - Macka B From pshirkey at boosthardware.com Fri May 19 05:27:10 2006 From: pshirkey at boosthardware.com (Patrick Shirkey) Date: Fri May 19 05:27:48 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] commmunity portals Message-ID: <446D8F6E.8080901@boosthardware.com> Hi, In the past couple of years a few new portals have been created and now have momentum. If you have a suggestion for a linux audio portal to include in the right hand banners/logo column on the quicktoots site please let me know. If you can send me a link to the image/logo and a url to ref that would be even better. Cheers. -- Patrick Shirkey - Boost Hardware Ltd. Http://www.boosthardware.com Http://www.djcj.org/LAU/guide/ - The Linux Audio Users guide ======================================== "Anything your mind can see you can manifest physically, then it will become reality" - Macka B From capocasa at gmx.net Fri May 19 10:16:29 2006 From: capocasa at gmx.net (Carlo Capocasa) Date: Fri May 19 10:17:09 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Samson C01U USB Mic Low Noise HowTo In-Reply-To: <1147815619.8816.1.camel@localhost> References: <1147815619.8816.1.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <446DD33D.1000909@gmx.net> > Good to hear that it works - I've been planning to get one of those for > a long time but never got around to it. Have you used it in a JACK graph > with another sound device for output? Does that work well? Have you > tried the alsa_in and alsa_out tools in the netjack package? Really neat device it is. You can hold it in your hand like a stage mike without noise. What I did is configure jack to use hw:0 (internal sound card) as the output device and hw:1 (the Samson) as input device (have a look in the QJactCtl options). I also set one input channel and two output channels to avoid confusion. (As philicordia kindly pointed out, the second channel on the Samson is a slightly less amplified version of the first, and is there simply because it was easier and cheaper to keep it in). Lowest latency I could go was 2/512, 2/1024 with real time effects. Carlo From ivalladolidt at terra.es Fri May 19 10:22:26 2006 From: ivalladolidt at terra.es (Ismael Valladolid Torres) Date: Fri May 19 10:22:43 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Quicktoots back online In-Reply-To: <446CFCDE.4010906@boosthardware.com> References: <446CFCDE.4010906@boosthardware.com> Message-ID: <20060519142226.GA1692@spma33> Patrick Shirkey escribe: > The Quicktoots are the brainchild of Dave Phillips the man responsible > for the most comprehensive webpage devoted to Linux audio applications. > The Linux Sound and Midi page. Your one stop resource for Linux sound > software. The image links in the Using VST/VSTi Plugins In Linux tutorial are broken. Is this tutorial strictly deprecated!? I mean, I was thinking of translating it to spanish for my web page, but it does make no sense if I would be providing too outdated information. Cordially, Ismael -- Ismael Valladolid Torres OpenPGP key ID: 0xDE721AF4 [^[$B$?$S$?$S$9$_$^$;$s^[(B] Jabber ID: ivalladt@jabberes.org http://lamediahostia.blogspot.com =?iso-2022-jp?B?GyJE0hREjAGyhC?= From cannam at all-day-breakfast.com Fri May 19 10:27:23 2006 From: cannam at all-day-breakfast.com (Chris Cannam) Date: Fri May 19 10:26:44 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [ANN] Sonic Visualiser: An application for audio visualisation and analysis Message-ID: <200605191527.23245.cannam@all-day-breakfast.com> Announcing Sonic Visualiser, an application for viewing and analysing the contents of music audio files. http://www.sonicvisualiser.org/ Sonic Visualiser contains advanced waveform and spectrogram viewers, as well as editors for many sorts of audio annotations. Besides visualisation, it can make and play selections based on the locations of automatically detected features, seamlessly loop playback of single or multiple noncontiguous regions, synthesise annotations for playback, and slow down playback while retaining display synchronisation. Sonic Visualiser also introduces the Vamp plugin API, for plugins that extract descriptive or analytical data from audio. Vamp plugins for onset, pitch and note detection using the Aubio library are available, as well as plugins for tempo tracking, chromagram analysis, constant-Q spectrogram, spectral centroid, power curve and tonal change detection. There is also a comprehensive SDK for use by developers of Vamp plugins and hosts. Sonic Visualiser is Free Software distributed under the GNU General Public License. The 0.9 release is available now in source code form or as binaries for Linux, OS/X, and Windows. For more information and downloads, please see http://www.sonicvisualiser.org/ For more information about Vamp plugins, please see http://www.sonicvisualiser.org/vamp.html See also the SourceForge page for this project at http://www.sourceforge.net/projects/sv1/ Sonic Visualiser was developed at the Centre for Digital Music, Queen Mary, University of London and partially funded by the European Commission through the SIMAC project IST-FP6-507142. Chris From dlphillips at woh.rr.com Fri May 19 10:40:27 2006 From: dlphillips at woh.rr.com (Dave Phillips) Date: Fri May 19 10:35:55 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Quicktoots back online In-Reply-To: <20060519142226.GA1692@spma33> References: <446CFCDE.4010906@boosthardware.com> <20060519142226.GA1692@spma33> Message-ID: <446DD8DB.4080606@woh.rr.com> Ismael Valladolid Torres wrote: >Patrick Shirkey escribe: > > >>The Quicktoots are the brainchild of Dave Phillips the man responsible >>for the most comprehensive webpage devoted to Linux audio applications. >>The Linux Sound and Midi page. Your one stop resource for Linux sound >>software. >> >> > >The image links in the Using VST/VSTi Plugins In Linux tutorial are >broken. > >Is this tutorial strictly deprecated!? I mean, I was thinking of >translating it to spanish for my web page, but it does make no sense >if I would be providing too outdated information. > > Hi Ismael: Yes, I consider the page deprecated. You are, of course, free to do what you like with it. Best, dp From siliconjoe at gmail.com Fri May 19 11:24:52 2006 From: siliconjoe at gmail.com (Giuseppe Zompatori) Date: Fri May 19 11:25:01 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [ANN] Sonic Visualiser: An application for audio visualisation and analysis In-Reply-To: <200605191527.23245.cannam@all-day-breakfast.com> References: <200605191527.23245.cannam@all-day-breakfast.com> Message-ID: <3a5df3c20605190824h764644abpfed13d29139fb41a@mail.gmail.com> Hello, Speaking about the vamp name you might not be aware of this already existing products: http://www.behringer.com/LX1-PRO/index.cfm?lang=ENG http://www.behringer.com/V-AMP2/index.cfm?lang=ENG http://www.behringer.com/X-V-AMP/index.cfm?lang=ENG http://www.behringer.com/LX1-B-PRO/index.cfm?lang=ENG http://www.behringer.com/LX1-B/index.cfm?lang=ENG This name fits much better a virtual amp modeller than a plugin API IMHO. Nota Bene: I am not affiliated with Behringerin any way, I just happen to own a vamp pro. Cheers, -Giuseppe 2006/5/19, Chris Cannam : > > Announcing Sonic Visualiser, an application for viewing and analysing > the contents of music audio files. > > http://www.sonicvisualiser.org/ > > Sonic Visualiser contains advanced waveform and spectrogram viewers, > as well as editors for many sorts of audio annotations. Besides > visualisation, it can make and play selections based on the locations > of automatically detected features, seamlessly loop playback of single > or multiple noncontiguous regions, synthesise annotations for playback, > and slow down playback while retaining display synchronisation. > > Sonic Visualiser also introduces the Vamp plugin API, for plugins that > extract descriptive or analytical data from audio. Vamp plugins for > onset, pitch and note detection using the Aubio library are available, > as well as plugins for tempo tracking, chromagram analysis, constant-Q > spectrogram, spectral centroid, power curve and tonal change > detection. There is also a comprehensive SDK for use by developers of > Vamp plugins and hosts. > > Sonic Visualiser is Free Software distributed under the GNU General > Public License. The 0.9 release is available now in source code form > or as binaries for Linux, OS/X, and Windows. > > For more information and downloads, please see > > http://www.sonicvisualiser.org/ > > For more information about Vamp plugins, please see > > http://www.sonicvisualiser.org/vamp.html > > See also the SourceForge page for this project at > > http://www.sourceforge.net/projects/sv1/ > > Sonic Visualiser was developed at the Centre for Digital Music, Queen > Mary, University of London and partially funded by the European > Commission through the SIMAC project IST-FP6-507142. > > > Chris > From esa.linna at kolumbus.fi Fri May 19 11:37:16 2006 From: esa.linna at kolumbus.fi (Esa Linna) Date: Fri May 19 11:33:40 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Edirol UM-1X, Mandriva and connection problems Message-ID: <446DE62C.5070503@kolumbus.fi> Struggling with midi again, but this time there is hope... Midi works perfectly with Studio to Go! demo & Edirol UM-1x and my Yamaha PSR-273 keyboard. But Mandriva 2006 doesn't recognize Edirol as USB midi device. ################################################# "amidi -l" says: Device Name hw:0,0 Audigy MPU-401 (UART) hw:0,1 Audigy MPU-401 #2 hw:1,0 EMU10K1 MPU-401 (UART) (i got both Audigy & SB Live! in my machine, btw) ################################################## "/sbin/lsmod" says (after typing "modprobe snd-usb-audio"): Module Size Used by snd_usb_audio 75456 0 snd_usb_lib 16128 1 snd_usb_audio binfmt_misc 11656 1 raw 8992 1 ipv6 248704 8 ipt_limit 2432 8 iptable_mangle 2816 0 ipt_LOG 6656 8 ipt_MASQUERADE 3328 0 ip_nat 18996 1 ipt_MASQUERADE ipt_TOS 2432 0 ipt_REJECT 5504 1 ip_conntrack_irc 6640 0 ip_conntrack_ftp 7792 0 ipt_state 1920 6 ip_conntrack 52912 5 ipt_MASQUERADE,ip_nat,ip_conntrack_irc,ip_conntrack_ftp,ipt_state nfnetlink 6552 2 ip_nat,ip_conntrack iptable_filter 2944 1 ip_tables 19968 8 ipt_limit,iptable_mangle,ipt_LOG,ipt_MASQUERADE,ipt_TOS,ipt_REJECT,ipt_state,iptable_filter 3c59x 42024 0 mii 5504 1 3c59x af_packet 21768 2 floppy 61380 0 ide_cd 40964 0 cdrom 37792 1 ide_cd loop 16264 0 via_agp 9728 1 agpgart 34248 1 via_agp bt878 10424 0 tuner 37544 0 tda9887 13840 0 bttv 159056 1 bt878 video_buf 21124 1 bttv firmware_class 10368 1 bttv i2c_algo_bit 9352 1 bttv v4l2_common 5888 1 bttv btcx_risc 5000 1 bttv tveeprom 13456 1 bttv i2c_core 21648 5 tuner,tda9887,bttv,i2c_algo_bit,tveeprom videodev 9472 1 bttv snd_emu10k1 109220 0 snd_ac97_codec 90272 1 snd_emu10k1 snd_pcm 85512 3 snd_usb_audio,snd_emu10k1,snd_ac97_codec snd_ac97_bus 2304 1 snd_ac97_codec snd_page_alloc 10632 2 snd_emu10k1,snd_pcm snd_util_mem 4736 1 snd_emu10k1 snd_hwdep 9120 2 snd_usb_audio,snd_emu10k1 snd_seq_midi 9120 0 snd_rawmidi 24480 3 snd_usb_lib,snd_emu10k1,snd_seq_midi snd_seq_midi_event 7168 1 snd_seq_midi snd_seq 48784 2 snd_seq_midi,snd_seq_midi_event snd_timer 23940 3 snd_emu10k1,snd_pcm,snd_seq snd_seq_device 8716 4 snd_emu10k1,snd_seq_midi,snd_rawmidi,snd_seq snd 53348 9 snd_usb_audio,snd_emu10k1,snd_ac97_codec,snd_pcm,snd_hwdep,snd_rawmidi,snd_seq,snd_timer,snd_seq_device realtime 5384 0 commoncap 7168 1 realtime pcspkr 3552 0 psmouse 35844 0 mousedev 11552 1 usb_midi 23428 0 soundcore 9440 2 snd,usb_midi usbkbd 6912 0 usbmouse 5376 0 faketty 12100 0 usbhid 48160 0 uhci_hcd 32016 0 usbcore 118016 8 snd_usb_audio,snd_usb_lib,usb_midi,usbkbd,usbmouse,usbhid,uhci_hcd ext3 130568 8 jbd 51604 1 ext3 #####################################################################################3 /etc/modprobe.conf contains: # --- BEGIN: Generated by ALSACONF, do not edit. --- # --- ALSACONF version 1.0.11 --- alias sound-slot-0 snd-emu10k1 # --- END: Generated by ALSACONF, do not edit. --- alias snd-1 snd-usb-audio alias snd-0 snd-emu10k1 alias eth0 3c59x options snd cards_limit=2 options snd-usb-audio index=1 vid=0x0582 pid=0x0052 From torbenh at gmx.de Fri May 19 13:41:37 2006 From: torbenh at gmx.de (torbenh@gmx.de) Date: Fri May 19 13:44:19 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] more questions on FST In-Reply-To: <20060518092154.GR7721@sofa> References: <200605171335.28231.aaron@akjmusic.com> <20060518092154.GR7721@sofa> Message-ID: <20060519174137.GB8229@mobilat> On Thu, May 18, 2006 at 10:21:54AM +0100, Tim Orford wrote: > On Wed, May 17, 2006 at 01:35:28PM -0500, Aaron Krister Johnson wrote: > > Can someone who has used Kontakt under Linux share the output > > of /lib/libc.so.6 here with me so I can compare? > > GNU C Library stable release version 2.3.5, by Roland McGrath et al. > Copyright (C) 2005 Free Software Foundation, Inc. > This is free software; see the source for copying conditions. > There is NO warranty; not even for MERCHANTABILITY or FITNESS FOR A > PARTICULAR PURPOSE. > Compiled by GNU CC version 3.2.3 20030422 (Gentoo Linux 1.4 3.2.3-r1, propolice). > Compiled on a Linux 2.6.11 system on 2006-02-04. > Available extensions: > GNU libio by Per Bothner > crypt add-on version 2.1 by Michael Glad and others > linuxthreads-0.10 by Xavier Leroy > The C stubs add-on version 2.1.2. > GNU Libidn by Simon Josefsson > BIND-8.2.3-T5B > libthread_db work sponsored by Alpha Processor Inc > NIS(YP)/NIS+ NSS modules 0.19 by Thorsten Kukuk > Thread-local storage support included. here it is: Threas-local storage (only works with 2.6.x BTW) > For bug reporting instructions, please see: > . > > (this system appears to run Kontakt2 fine) > > -- > Tim Orford > -- torben Hohn http://galan.sourceforge.net -- The graphical Audio language From chazkiser at alltel.net Sat May 20 12:16:23 2006 From: chazkiser at alltel.net (Chaz Kiser) Date: Sat May 20 12:16:33 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] fake audience Message-ID: <446F40D7.1090008@alltel.net> I would like to add a fake audience to my "live" recording. Ideally I want to get them to clap out a rhythm to a song. Any ideas? chaz From hardbop200 at gmail.com Sat May 20 12:31:42 2006 From: hardbop200 at gmail.com (Josh Lawrence) Date: Sat May 20 12:31:46 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] fake audience In-Reply-To: <446F40D7.1090008@alltel.net> References: <446F40D7.1090008@alltel.net> Message-ID: On 5/20/06, Chaz Kiser wrote: > > I would like to add a fake audience to my "live" recording. Ideally I > want to get them to clap out a rhythm to a song. Any ideas? > > chaz I would probably record some background noise from a bar. Beyond that, I think it would be a lot of fun to gather up 10 friends and have them clap along in your studio. Make it a BYOB party. -- Josh Lawrence http://www.hardbop200.com From jri at broadpark.no Sat May 20 13:45:42 2006 From: jri at broadpark.no (Johannes Mario Ringheim) Date: Sat May 20 13:45:47 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] fake audience In-Reply-To: References: <446F40D7.1090008@alltel.net> Message-ID: <446F55C6.6080001@broadpark.no> Josh Lawrence wrote: > I would probably record some background noise from a bar. Beyond > that, I think it would be a lot of fun to gather up 10 friends and > have them clap along in your studio. Make it a BYOB party. > This is known as "studio crowd" in hiphop terminology. In my experience 10 people sounds like many more when recorded as a studiocrowd, but you can of course record several layers etc. Throw them a party and have fun...! -- Ringheims Auto - Fri musikk for bilstereo! http://ringheimsauto.1go.dk/ From folderol at ukfsn.org Sat May 20 13:51:20 2006 From: folderol at ukfsn.org (Folderol) Date: Sat May 20 13:49:44 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] fake audience In-Reply-To: References: <446F40D7.1090008@alltel.net> Message-ID: <20060520185120.44b8ff4f@office> On Sat, 20 May 2006 11:31:42 -0500 "Josh Lawrence" wrote: > On 5/20/06, Chaz Kiser wrote: > > > > I would like to add a fake audience to my "live" recording. Ideally I > > want to get them to clap out a rhythm to a song. Any ideas? > > > > chaz > > I would probably record some background noise from a bar. Beyond > that, I think it would be a lot of fun to gather up 10 friends and > have them clap along in your studio. Make it a BYOB party. Years ago I did something similar with open reel tape recorders. I kept swapping tapes from one machine to the other while overdubbing. The reason for the swapping of tapes was so that the tiny speed difference between the two machines gave small timing differences that turned 4-5 people into a vast crowd. As well as applause, I did crowds shouting the same way. Today I imagine you could get similar results using some combination of chorus and reverb effects. -- F From loki.davison at gmail.com Sat May 20 21:36:57 2006 From: loki.davison at gmail.com (Loki Davison) Date: Sat May 20 21:37:04 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Edirol UM-1X, Mandriva and connection problems In-Reply-To: <446DE62C.5070503@kolumbus.fi> References: <446DE62C.5070503@kolumbus.fi> Message-ID: On 5/20/06, Esa Linna wrote: > Struggling with midi again, but this time there is hope... > > Midi works perfectly with Studio to Go! demo & Edirol UM-1x and my > Yamaha PSR-273 keyboard. But Mandriva 2006 doesn't recognize Edirol as > USB midi device. > > > ################################################# > "amidi -l" says: > > Device Name > hw:0,0 Audigy MPU-401 (UART) > hw:0,1 Audigy MPU-401 #2 > hw:1,0 EMU10K1 MPU-401 (UART) > > (i got both Audigy & SB Live! in my machine, btw) > > ################################################## > "/sbin/lsmod" says (after typing "modprobe snd-usb-audio"): > > Module Size Used by > snd_usb_audio 75456 0 > snd_usb_lib 16128 1 snd_usb_audio > binfmt_misc 11656 1 > raw 8992 1 > ipv6 248704 8 > ipt_limit 2432 8 > iptable_mangle 2816 0 > ipt_LOG 6656 8 > ipt_MASQUERADE 3328 0 > ip_nat 18996 1 ipt_MASQUERADE > ipt_TOS 2432 0 > ipt_REJECT 5504 1 > ip_conntrack_irc 6640 0 > ip_conntrack_ftp 7792 0 > ipt_state 1920 6 > ip_conntrack 52912 5 > ipt_MASQUERADE,ip_nat,ip_conntrack_irc,ip_conntrack_ftp,ipt_state > nfnetlink 6552 2 ip_nat,ip_conntrack > iptable_filter 2944 1 > ip_tables 19968 8 > ipt_limit,iptable_mangle,ipt_LOG,ipt_MASQUERADE,ipt_TOS,ipt_REJECT,ipt_state,iptable_filter > 3c59x 42024 0 > mii 5504 1 3c59x > af_packet 21768 2 > floppy 61380 0 > ide_cd 40964 0 > cdrom 37792 1 ide_cd > loop 16264 0 > via_agp 9728 1 > agpgart 34248 1 via_agp > bt878 10424 0 > tuner 37544 0 > tda9887 13840 0 > bttv 159056 1 bt878 > video_buf 21124 1 bttv > firmware_class 10368 1 bttv > i2c_algo_bit 9352 1 bttv > v4l2_common 5888 1 bttv > btcx_risc 5000 1 bttv > tveeprom 13456 1 bttv > i2c_core 21648 5 tuner,tda9887,bttv,i2c_algo_bit,tveeprom > videodev 9472 1 bttv > snd_emu10k1 109220 0 > snd_ac97_codec 90272 1 snd_emu10k1 > snd_pcm 85512 3 snd_usb_audio,snd_emu10k1,snd_ac97_codec > snd_ac97_bus 2304 1 snd_ac97_codec > snd_page_alloc 10632 2 snd_emu10k1,snd_pcm > snd_util_mem 4736 1 snd_emu10k1 > snd_hwdep 9120 2 snd_usb_audio,snd_emu10k1 > snd_seq_midi 9120 0 > snd_rawmidi 24480 3 snd_usb_lib,snd_emu10k1,snd_seq_midi > snd_seq_midi_event 7168 1 snd_seq_midi > snd_seq 48784 2 snd_seq_midi,snd_seq_midi_event > snd_timer 23940 3 snd_emu10k1,snd_pcm,snd_seq > snd_seq_device 8716 4 snd_emu10k1,snd_seq_midi,snd_rawmidi,snd_seq > snd 53348 9 > snd_usb_audio,snd_emu10k1,snd_ac97_codec,snd_pcm,snd_hwdep,snd_rawmidi,snd_seq,snd_timer,snd_seq_device > realtime 5384 0 > commoncap 7168 1 realtime > pcspkr 3552 0 > psmouse 35844 0 > mousedev 11552 1 > usb_midi 23428 0 > soundcore 9440 2 snd,usb_midi > usbkbd 6912 0 > usbmouse 5376 0 > faketty 12100 0 > usbhid 48160 0 > uhci_hcd 32016 0 > usbcore 118016 8 > snd_usb_audio,snd_usb_lib,usb_midi,usbkbd,usbmouse,usbhid,uhci_hcd > ext3 130568 8 > jbd 51604 1 ext3 > > #####################################################################################3 > /etc/modprobe.conf contains: > # --- BEGIN: Generated by ALSACONF, do not edit. --- > # --- ALSACONF version 1.0.11 --- > alias sound-slot-0 snd-emu10k1 > # --- END: Generated by ALSACONF, do not edit. --- > > alias snd-1 snd-usb-audio > alias snd-0 snd-emu10k1 > alias eth0 3c59x > > options snd cards_limit=2 > options snd-usb-audio index=1 vid=0x0582 pid=0x0052 You have the oss driver loaded as well, which has stolen the card. EVIL bad oss. It's called usb_midi, crush kill destroy! You can blacklist the module in modprobe.conf but make sure nothing autobreaks it, i.e each time you boot rewriting modprobe.conf. I'd recommend compiling a kernel with RT patches and without oss support. It's quite annoying that mandriva has it still in the kernel. I'm still very happy with the rest of mandriva. If you are a new mandriva user http://www.mde.djura.org/ is the best advice ;) Loki From rlrevell at joe-job.com Sat May 20 21:55:57 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Sat May 20 21:56:02 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Edirol UM-1X, Mandriva and connection problems In-Reply-To: References: <446DE62C.5070503@kolumbus.fi> Message-ID: <1148176558.20472.51.camel@mindpipe> On Sun, 2006-05-21 at 11:36 +1000, Loki Davison wrote: > I'd recommend compiling a > kernel with RT patches and without oss support. Actually this was the bug that caused all the distros to get it wrong at first - disabling OSS in the kernel did not disable the OSS USB drivers. It was fixed 6-12 months ago. > It's quite annoying > that mandriva has it still in the kernel Every distro suffered from this bug at one point and AFAIK they all fixed it... are you running an old version? Lee From loki.davison at gmail.com Sun May 21 01:25:28 2006 From: loki.davison at gmail.com (Loki Davison) Date: Sun May 21 01:25:33 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Edirol UM-1X, Mandriva and connection problems In-Reply-To: <1148176558.20472.51.camel@mindpipe> References: <446DE62C.5070503@kolumbus.fi> <1148176558.20472.51.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: On 5/21/06, Lee Revell wrote: > On Sun, 2006-05-21 at 11:36 +1000, Loki Davison wrote: > > I'd recommend compiling a > > kernel with RT patches and without oss support. > > Actually this was the bug that caused all the distros to get it wrong at > first - disabling OSS in the kernel did not disable the OSS USB drivers. > It was fixed 6-12 months ago. > > > It's quite annoying > > that mandriva has it still in the kernel > > Every distro suffered from this bug at one point and AFAIK they all > fixed it... are you running an old version? > > Lee 2006 x86_64. So no, but i don't know if the problem still exists in recent kernels as i use a custom one. Loki From saint_luna at yahoo.com Sun May 21 02:35:54 2006 From: saint_luna at yahoo.com (Moon) Date: Sun May 21 02:36:00 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] RME Multiface firmware problem In-Reply-To: <20060521013705.B369817C830A@music.columbia.edu> Message-ID: <20060521063554.12414.qmail@web36314.mail.mud.yahoo.com> So I'm coming to the conclusion that the RME Multiface/dsp hardware rev. 1.08 hates the ASUS A8N-E motherboard. I get an hwdep ioctl error no matter how I set up the (limited) bios options and boot options with Ubuntu dapper 2.6.15.22 or 2.6.15.23 (i386, i686, k7 of each tried). Yes I got the firmware from alsa, yes the thing is plugged in. what 939 pin (AMD 64x2) motherboards(desktop) have people had sucess with the RME Multiface on and/or other linux os with asus a8n-e mobo? Sorry i have no dmesg, lspci etc (though they all seemed to be in fine shape) as I'm on another system Thanks m __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From saint_luna at yahoo.com Sun May 21 02:47:36 2006 From: saint_luna at yahoo.com (Moon) Date: Sun May 21 02:47:45 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: RME Multiface firmware problem... continued Message-ID: <20060521064736.45507.qmail@web36304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I'll mention also that the DSP/Multiface works in win2000 and the same ubuntu kernels(save k7 as my other system is very old) on another machine m --- Moon wrote: > So I'm coming to the conclusion that the RME Multiface/dsp hardware > rev. 1.08 hates the ASUS A8N-E motherboard. I get an hwdep ioctl > error > no matter how I set up the (limited) bios options and boot options > with > Ubuntu dapper 2.6.15.22 or 2.6.15.23 (i386, i686, k7 of each tried). > Yes I got the firmware from alsa, yes the thing is plugged in. what > 939 > pin (AMD 64x2) motherboards(desktop) have people had sucess with the > RME Multiface on and/or other linux os with asus a8n-e mobo? > Sorry i have no dmesg, lspci etc (though they all seemed to be in > fine > shape) as I'm on another system > Thanks > m > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From pshirkey at boosthardware.com Sun May 21 03:14:07 2006 From: pshirkey at boosthardware.com (Patrick Shirkey) Date: Sun May 21 03:14:45 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] OT: latest usb/digital DJ mixers Message-ID: <4470133F.5010301@boosthardware.com> Hi, Just spotted these new models yet to be released. It looks like Numark might be running open source software as the features list is very similar to what I would like to do. I wonder what which company will compete with these first? http://www.numark.com/products/product_view.php?v=view&n=166 http://www.numark.com/products/product_view.php?v=overview&n=169 Cheers. -- Patrick Shirkey - Boost Hardware Ltd. Http://www.boosthardware.com Http://lau.linuxaudio.org - The Linux Audio Users guide ======================================== "Anything your mind can see you can manifest physically, then it will become reality" - Macka B From tito at rumford.de Mon May 22 04:23:08 2006 From: tito at rumford.de (Wolfgang Woehl) Date: Sun May 21 04:21:20 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] fake audience In-Reply-To: <446F40D7.1090008@alltel.net> References: <446F40D7.1090008@alltel.net> Message-ID: <200605221023.09178.tito@rumford.de> Saturday 20 May 2006 18:16, Chaz Kiser: > I would like to add a fake audience to my "live" recording. Ideally I > want to get them to clap out a rhythm to a song. Any ideas? Get a real crowd in a ninjam session? Might be overkill though as I'm sure that Barknecht will say "PD can do it". -- Wolfgang From ljc at internet.com.uy Sun May 21 08:33:19 2006 From: ljc at internet.com.uy (luis jure) Date: Sun May 21 08:38:02 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] fake audience In-Reply-To: <200605221023.09178.tito@rumford.de> References: <446F40D7.1090008@alltel.net> <200605221023.09178.tito@rumford.de> Message-ID: <20060521093319.1134e3f7@acme.acmenet> el Mon, 22 May 2006 10:23:08 +0200 Wolfgang Woehl escribi?: > Get a real crowd in a ninjam session? Might be overkill though as I'm > sure that Barknecht will say "PD can do it". i was just about to suggest csound... From fons.adriaensen at skynet.be Sun May 21 09:02:58 2006 From: fons.adriaensen at skynet.be (fons adriaensen) Date: Sun May 21 08:55:00 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] fake audience In-Reply-To: <20060521093319.1134e3f7@acme.acmenet> References: <446F40D7.1090008@alltel.net> <200605221023.09178.tito@rumford.de> <20060521093319.1134e3f7@acme.acmenet> Message-ID: <20060521130258.GB6400@linux-1> On Sun, May 21, 2006 at 09:33:19AM -0300, luis jure wrote: > el Mon, 22 May 2006 10:23:08 +0200 > Wolfgang Woehl escribi?: > > > Get a real crowd in a ninjam session? Might be overkill though as I'm > > sure that Barknecht will say "PD can do it". > > i was just about to suggest csound... or SuperCollider. To make this from scratch: - Record a number of claps (you own hands). Cut up the recording into separate claps, e.g. create a wave file for each of them. - Write a SC3 synth, Csound instrument, or Pd patch that when triggered plays one of these files (random selection), with some random delay and random panning. Maybe add some random resampling to get even more variation. - Write whatever is necessary in your favourite tool to trigger a number of these in the required tempo. - Add some reflections (delays) and reverb to create the correct room atmosphere. -- FA Follie! Follie! Delirio vano e' questo! From esa.linna at kolumbus.fi Sun May 21 09:14:03 2006 From: esa.linna at kolumbus.fi (Esa Linna) Date: Sun May 21 09:10:16 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Edirol UM-1X, Mandriva and connection problems In-Reply-To: References: <446DE62C.5070503@kolumbus.fi> Message-ID: <4470679B.5090903@kolumbus.fi> Loki Davison kirjoitti: > > It's called usb_midi, crush kill destroy! You can blacklist the > module in modprobe.conf but make sure nothing autobreaks it, i.e each > time you boot rewriting modprobe.conf. That was it! Thanks! World is a better place for this tip, and because Lordi won the Eurovision song contest! Yyyeeeaaaaaahhhhh! http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/in_pictures/5001448.stm -- ----------------------- http://www.emvg.net/esa http://www.emvg.net ----------------------- From jan at talentex.demon.co.uk Sun May 21 10:05:01 2006 From: jan at talentex.demon.co.uk (jan) Date: Sun May 21 10:05:08 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Firewire sound - which HW? In-Reply-To: References: <446AAC5E.6090108@talentex.demon.co.uk> <446C08DD.3090604@talentex.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: <4470738D.20904@talentex.demon.co.uk> Just back from abroad - thanks, everybody who replied. So firewire isn't really the way forward, it would seem. First time I thought about this everybody seemed to say 'RME Hammerfall'; but then my pet-musician explained that 'the only proper way' was something with tape-reels and valve-amplifiers, but if I must use a computer it should be Macintosh and something with Firewire. I have never used Macintosh, and probably never will (being a UNIX person), and since I not a musician myself, I thought I'd better ask somebody whom I assume would know better. Loki Davison wrote: > > umm... bullshit? > [...] > cards, eg the amazingly expensive madi cards, they are pci too. I find > you're reply quite insultingly toned btw, > Really? Would you care to elaborate? Not that I am adverse to insulting people, but I didn't intend to this time. /jan From dlphillips at woh.rr.com Sun May 21 10:23:59 2006 From: dlphillips at woh.rr.com (Dave Phillips) Date: Sun May 21 10:18:41 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Firewire sound - which HW? In-Reply-To: <4470738D.20904@talentex.demon.co.uk> References: <446AAC5E.6090108@talentex.demon.co.uk> <446C08DD.3090604@talentex.demon.co.uk> <4470738D.20904@talentex.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: <447077FF.6040008@woh.rr.com> jan wrote: >> I find you're reply quite insultingly toned btw, >> > Really? Would you care to elaborate? Not that I am adverse to > insulting people, but I didn't intend to this time. > I think it was the reference to the Renaissance lute. I wondered about that too. No accountng for skin depth, I guess. :) Best, dp From jan at talentex.demon.co.uk Sun May 21 11:05:23 2006 From: jan at talentex.demon.co.uk (jan) Date: Sun May 21 11:05:32 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Firewire sound - which HW? In-Reply-To: <447077FF.6040008@woh.rr.com> References: <446AAC5E.6090108@talentex.demon.co.uk> <446C08DD.3090604@talentex.demon.co.uk> <4470738D.20904@talentex.demon.co.uk> <447077FF.6040008@woh.rr.com> Message-ID: <447081B3.4060907@talentex.demon.co.uk> Dave Phillips wrote: > jan wrote: > >>> I find you're reply quite insultingly toned btw, >>> >> Really? Would you care to elaborate? Not that I am adverse to >> insulting people, but I didn't intend to this time. >> > I think it was the reference to the Renaissance lute. > > I wondered about that too. No accountng for skin depth, I guess. :) > Are you serious? I remember how the establishment used to shrivel up in disgust at the sight of long hair and a guitar; is it now the other way round? How odd. /jan From dlphillips at woh.rr.com Sun May 21 11:34:43 2006 From: dlphillips at woh.rr.com (Dave Phillips) Date: Sun May 21 11:29:30 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Firewire sound - which HW? In-Reply-To: <447081B3.4060907@talentex.demon.co.uk> References: <446AAC5E.6090108@talentex.demon.co.uk> <446C08DD.3090604@talentex.demon.co.uk> <4470738D.20904@talentex.demon.co.uk> <447077FF.6040008@woh.rr.com> <447081B3.4060907@talentex.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: <44708893.5040001@woh.rr.com> jan wrote: > Dave Phillips wrote: > >> jan wrote: >> >>>> I find you're reply quite insultingly toned btw, >>>> >>> Really? Would you care to elaborate? Not that I am adverse to >>> insulting people, but I didn't intend to this time. >>> >> I think it was the reference to the Renaissance lute. >> >> I wondered about that too. No accountng for skin depth, I guess. :) >> > Are you serious? I remember how the establishment used to shrivel up > in disgust at the sight of long hair and a guitar; is it now the other > way round? How odd. I'm being facetious, of course. Loki's usually pretty level-headed, maybe he got irked by the reference to "people who ought to know about these things (musicians)", though that didn't strike me as an insult in any way. Best, dp From cave.dnb at tiscali.fr Sun May 21 13:25:16 2006 From: cave.dnb at tiscali.fr (Nigel Henry) Date: Sun May 21 13:25:42 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: [LAM] 3 new tunes! In-Reply-To: <200605211010.05294.mathias.lundgren@dataductus.se> References: <200605211010.05294.mathias.lundgren@dataductus.se> Message-ID: <200605211925.17263.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> On Sunday 21 May 2006 10:10, Mathias Lundgren wrote: > Hi! > > Last 6 months or so, I've managed to put 3 more songs down to a final mix. > These can be found on: > > http://www.helgo.net/gavel/lunar > or > http://mattematik.is-a-geek.com/audio/mathias_eget/Lunar_Shuttle_Disaster/ > > and are titled: > > - Heatwave > - Security Issues > - Steam valve > > Direct links: > http://mattematik.is-a-geek.com/audio/mathias_eget/Lunar_Shuttle_Disaster/L >unar_Shuttle_Disaster-Heatwave.ogg > http://mattematik.is-a-geek.com/audio/mathias_eget/Lunar_Shuttle_Disaster/L >unar_Shuttle_Disaster-Security_Issues.ogg > http://mattematik.is-a-geek.com/audio/mathias_eget/Lunar_Shuttle_Disaster/L >unar_Shuttle_Disaster-Steam_valve.ogg > > Hope you'll like something there. > /Mathias Hi Mathias. Nice tunes. The first one at the start made me think of Midnight Oil, the Australian band from a few years back. The second one (Security Issues) sent shivers down my neck, always a good sign of a good tune. Steam Valve was a lot heavier, and sort of has a David Bowie feel to it on the vocals. Really nice work. What software did you use? I've CC'd this reply to the LAU list for folks that not might be on James's list. Nigel. > > _______________________________________________ > LAM mailing list > LAM@dis-dot-dat.net > http://dis-dot-dat.net/mailman/listinfo/lam_dis-dot-dat.net From capocasa at gmx.net Sun May 21 14:50:07 2006 From: capocasa at gmx.net (Carlo Capocasa) Date: Sun May 21 14:51:18 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Link: Extremely high quality free music Message-ID: For all of you who have been waiting for some amazing sounds that are high quality music first and libre second, I have found just that here: http://www.chillheimer.com Some of these sounds simply brought me to other places... they even have a song called 'Mind Travel'. I can't say exactly in what way but listening to the stuff is enlightening. Ambient, Jungle, Deep house genres and a lot of blending a few completely new styles, 61 tunes. Carlo From cave.dnb at tiscali.fr Sun May 21 15:12:01 2006 From: cave.dnb at tiscali.fr (Nigel Henry) Date: Sun May 21 15:12:20 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: [LAM] 3 new tunes! In-Reply-To: <200605212014.01754.mathias.lundgren@dataductus.se> References: <200605211010.05294.mathias.lundgren@dataductus.se> <200605211925.17263.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> <200605212014.01754.mathias.lundgren@dataductus.se> Message-ID: <200605212112.01991.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> On Sunday 21 May 2006 20:14, Mathias Lundgren wrote: > s?ndagen den 21 maj 2006 19.25 skrev Nigel Henry: > > On Sunday 21 May 2006 10:10, Mathias Lundgren wrote: > > > Hi! > > > > > > Last 6 months or so, I've managed to put 3 more songs down to a final > > > mix. These can be found on: > > > > > > http://www.helgo.net/gavel/lunar > > > or > > > http://mattematik.is-a-geek.com/audio/mathias_eget/Lunar_Shuttle_Disast > > >er / > > > > > > and are titled: > > > > > > - Heatwave > > > - Security Issues > > > - Steam valve > > > > > > Direct links: > > > http://mattematik.is-a-geek.com/audio/mathias_eget/Lunar_Shuttle_Disast > > >er /L unar_Shuttle_Disaster-Heatwave.ogg > > > http://mattematik.is-a-geek.com/audio/mathias_eget/Lunar_Shuttle_Disast > > >er /L unar_Shuttle_Disaster-Security_Issues.ogg > > > http://mattematik.is-a-geek.com/audio/mathias_eget/Lunar_Shuttle_Disast > > >er /L unar_Shuttle_Disaster-Steam_valve.ogg > > > > > > Hope you'll like something there. > > > /Mathias > > > > Hi Mathias. Nice tunes. The first one at the start made me think of > > Midnight Oil, the Australian band from a few years back. The second one > > (Security Issues) sent shivers down my neck, always a good sign of a good > > tune. Steam Valve was a lot heavier, and sort of has a David Bowie feel > > to it on the vocals. Really nice work. > > > > What software did you use? > > > > I've CC'd this reply to the LAU list for folks that not might be on > > James's list. > > > > Nigel. > > Hi and thanks a lot! > > I'm not subscribed to LAU anymore, and I recall some discussion from the > time I was that there were some ppl thinking postings like these didn't > belong there, so.... Hi Mathias. I've been on the LAU list for quite some time, and am always gratefull to see more music posted to it. I mix stuff, trance, etc, on the decks, but am not very clever when it comes to creating music. Quite a few folks post their latest creations to the list, and I've never seen any adverse comments about this. You may get some positive critisism on how the track may be improved, but apart from that everything is welcome, even if you have a band and have just recorded live onto Ardour, for instance. Looking forward to more stuff from you. Nigel. > > About software, I'm using MusE as sequencer, ZynAddSubFX for all the synth > stuff (I just looooove it!), MusE internal softsynths (a version of > fluidsynth + simpledrums - haven't switched to hydrogen yet, just because > I'm lazy). Wav editing is done in MusE and sweep. Finally, jamin is used > for the the final touch. > > /Mathias From markknecht at gmail.com Sun May 21 15:42:25 2006 From: markknecht at gmail.com (Mark Knecht) Date: Sun May 21 15:42:32 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: [LAM] 3 new tunes! In-Reply-To: <200605211925.17263.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> References: <200605211010.05294.mathias.lundgren@dataductus.se> <200605211925.17263.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> Message-ID: <5bdc1c8b0605211242nd8d22fai331acf5d8f91bdc8@mail.gmail.com> On Sunday 21 May 2006 10:10, Mathias Lundgren wrote: > Hi! > > Last 6 months or so, I've managed to put 3 more songs down to a final mix. > These can be found on: > > http://www.helgo.net/gavel/lunar > or > http://mattematik.is-a-geek.com/audio/mathias_eget/Lunar_Shuttle_Disaster/ > > and are titled: > > - Heatwave > - Security Issues > - Steam valve > > Hope you'll like something there. > /Mathias Thanks to Nigel for forwarding this info. I'm not on the other list. Probably should be if music of this quality os coming out of the community and I'm missing out. I enjoyed all the tunes, the last one especially. Thanks! Cheers, Mark From pshirkey at boosthardware.com Sun May 21 16:23:55 2006 From: pshirkey at boosthardware.com (Patrick Shirkey) Date: Sun May 21 16:24:30 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: [LAM] 3 new tunes! In-Reply-To: <5bdc1c8b0605211242nd8d22fai331acf5d8f91bdc8@mail.gmail.com> References: <200605211010.05294.mathias.lundgren@dataductus.se> <200605211925.17263.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> <5bdc1c8b0605211242nd8d22fai331acf5d8f91bdc8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4470CC5B.60200@boosthardware.com> Mark Knecht wrote: > > > Thanks to Nigel for forwarding this info. I'm not on the other list. > Probably should be if music of this quality os coming out of the > community and I'm missing out. > > I enjoyed all the tunes, the last one especially. > I have to agree with you about that. Steam Valve is an instant classic. It's a well executed excursion into the thoughts of a LAMer... Er, Can I say that and not have it taken as an insult? Anyway I will put it in the double backed up archives so I know it will be safe from potential destruction and if we have a Linux audio radio station it should go on high rotation for the next four weeks at least. Cheers. -- Patrick Shirkey - Boost Hardware Ltd. Http://www.boosthardware.com Http://lau.linuxaudio.org - The Linux Audio Users guide ======================================== "Anything your mind can see you can manifest physically, then it will become reality" - Macka B From pshirkey at boosthardware.com Sun May 21 17:16:47 2006 From: pshirkey at boosthardware.com (Patrick Shirkey) Date: Sun May 21 17:17:18 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Link: Extremely high quality free music In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4470D8BF.30307@boosthardware.com> Carlo Capocasa wrote: > For all of you who have been waiting for some amazing sounds that are > high quality music first and libre second, I have found just that here: > > http://www.chillheimer.com > > Some of these sounds simply brought me to other places... they even have > a song called 'Mind Travel'. I can't say exactly in what way but > listening to the stuff is enlightening. > > Ambient, Jungle, Deep house genres and a lot of blending a few > completely new styles, 61 tunes. > Thanks for the links. I can hear he's trying to do something a little different there. I like how mind travel progresses. It's fairly uplifting. How much of it do you think was composed with libre software? Cheers. -- Patrick Shirkey - Boost Hardware Ltd. Http://www.boosthardware.com Http://lau.linuxaudio.org - The Linux Audio Users guide ======================================== "Anything your mind can see you can manifest physically, then it will become reality" - Macka B From zettberlin at linuxuse.de Sun May 21 17:58:52 2006 From: zettberlin at linuxuse.de (Hartmut Noack) Date: Sun May 21 17:48:29 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Link: Extremely high quality free music In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4470E29C.70306@linuxuse.de> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hello Carlo Capocasa schrieb: > Some of these sounds simply brought me to other places... they even have > a song called 'Mind Travel'. I can't say exactly in what way but > listening to the stuff is enlightening. Well, the piece is pretty OKayish. good sound, tastfully chosen bassriff... loaded another one called blurred thought - nice too, to me this goes for feel-OK Ambientstuff - yet it is quite conventional too, neither sound nor composition is something never heared before, though the mix is highclass at a level, one heares not very often in free downloadables. And another question aroused, when you browse chillheimer: "with Cubase SX and loads of software synthesizers and effects." so the fellow is nice and i agree with him, as he talks about MusicIndustry but has nothing to do with free Audiosoft let alone with Linux... Still: as i live in Berlin/germ also i will try to contact him and ask him to test the Linux Audio Workstation, i am about to build....;-) bets regards Z http://linuxuse.de/snd/ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.0 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFEcOKc1Aecwva1SWMRAhcrAJ4k4vhL0VfTsIuKBwkp0AtEH133NACfSGVJ kRRKPvfgVrmaq/mshvQU0X8= =oy6V -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From loki.davison at gmail.com Sun May 21 18:03:43 2006 From: loki.davison at gmail.com (Loki Davison) Date: Sun May 21 18:03:50 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Firewire sound - which HW? In-Reply-To: <44708893.5040001@woh.rr.com> References: <446AAC5E.6090108@talentex.demon.co.uk> <446C08DD.3090604@talentex.demon.co.uk> <4470738D.20904@talentex.demon.co.uk> <447077FF.6040008@woh.rr.com> <447081B3.4060907@talentex.demon.co.uk> <44708893.5040001@woh.rr.com> Message-ID: On 5/22/06, Dave Phillips wrote: > jan wrote: > > > Dave Phillips wrote: > > > >> jan wrote: > >> > >>>> I find you're reply quite insultingly toned btw, > >>>> > >>> Really? Would you care to elaborate? Not that I am adverse to > >>> insulting people, but I didn't intend to this time. > >>> > >> I think it was the reference to the Renaissance lute. > >> > >> I wondered about that too. No accountng for skin depth, I guess. :) > >> > > Are you serious? I remember how the establishment used to shrivel up > > in disgust at the sight of long hair and a guitar; is it now the other > > way round? How odd. > > I'm being facetious, of course. Loki's usually pretty level-headed, > maybe he got irked by the reference to "people who ought to know about > these things (musicians)", though that didn't strike me as an insult in > any way. > > Best, > > dp I'm fine with lutes!!! ;) It's was the people who ought to know better comment. It seemed to me he was suggesting the people on this list are not actually musicans and out comments would be disregardable, which i think is far from true. Much of the music produced by this list is of quite high calibre and it isn't just recording engineers that use linux. It may however be i'd prefer to help a Balalaika player. Damn instruments with too many strings..... ;) Lutes remind me of jerzy drozd 10 string basses. Loki From qb at f2s.com Sun May 21 17:34:40 2006 From: qb at f2s.com (Q) Date: Sun May 21 18:34:54 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [Music] First track =?windows-1252?q?=96_prog_rock_instrumental?= Message-ID: <4470DCF0.6090304@f2s.com> Hi everyone *gulp* Here goes... Finally everyone is happy with this. It's a prog(ish) rock instrumental called "Laetoli (a fragment of a track)". Ogg-5 (6.47 MB) http://www.spitfireq.f2s.com/music/Laetoli_%28a_fragment_of_a_track%29_ogg5.ogg Ogg-10 (18.6 MB) http://www.spitfireq.f2s.com/music/Laetoli_%28a_fragment_of_a_track%29.ogg Flac (35.4 MB) http://www.spitfireq.f2s.com/music/Laetoli_%28a_fragment_of_a_track%29.flac Two or three of the wavs were recorded under Windows, shortly before I discovered DeMuDi. Everything else has been recorded, mixed etc under Linux. It was, perhaps, not the easiest choice for the first piece to record ? it's been a steep learning curve, not only making the transition from Windows to Linux but also learning music software and DAW recording from scratch. It has been fun though and made easier by all the useful information and help and advice on the lists and elsewhere. It might have been finished sooner had the guitarist not bought a new axe partway through and insisted on re-recording a load of parts ;-) Hope you like it, feedback welcome. Q From mrmoo at nc.rr.com Sun May 21 19:40:08 2006 From: mrmoo at nc.rr.com (mrmoo@nc.rr.com) Date: Sun May 21 19:40:14 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Not sure of right app to relay an audio stream -- icecast? Message-ID: What I would like to do with a home network (of only two machines) is to relay mp3 audio stream from one box to another (in another room, of course). How would this be done, or what kind of network model best accomplishes this? Is it possible to have only the box with the cable modem (linux box runs dhclient, of course) connected to the Internet, and "pipe" the data stream to the other box? Is this what the existing mp3 streaming server apps do, (gnump3d or icecast) or do they only stream static mp3 files? Please point me to the relevant docs & apps-- I'm bewildered by it all. Thanks, Mark -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- Version: 3.12 (to decode, see www.geekcode.com/geek.html) GLS$ d+ s+: a C+ UL--- P L++ E--- W+ N+ o+ K- w-- O-- M- V-- PS+ PE Y+ PGP- t 5-- X- R- tv+ b+ DI++ D++ G e+++ h--- r+++ y+++ ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------ From jh at brainiac.com Sun May 21 19:56:03 2006 From: jh at brainiac.com (Joe Hartley) Date: Sun May 21 19:56:10 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Not sure of right app to relay an audio stream -- icecast? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20060521195603.163c292d.jh@brainiac.com> On Sun, 21 May 2006 19:40:08 -0400 mrmoo@nc.rr.com wrote: > What I would like to do with a home network (of only two machines) is > to relay mp3 audio stream from one box to another (in another room, of > course). How would this be done, or what kind of network model best > accomplishes this? Is it possible to have only the box with the cable > modem (linux box runs dhclient, of course) connected to the Internet, > and "pipe" the data stream to the other box? > Is this what the existing mp3 streaming server apps do, (gnump3d or > icecast) or do they only stream static mp3 files? > > Please point me to the relevant docs & apps-- I'm bewildered by it all. I have used the software at slimdevices.com to set up an audio server which can stream to one or more devices. I happen to have a Squeezebox in my living room, and use the Softsqueeze software client to play the same feed down in the studio. Nice for a party! The client and server software are all open source - awfully nice of them! -- ====================================================================== Joe Hartley - UNIX/network Consultant - jh@brainiac.com Without deviation from the norm, "progress" is not possible. - FZappa From kjetil at ccrma.stanford.edu Sun May 21 22:43:07 2006 From: kjetil at ccrma.stanford.edu (Kjetil S. Matheussen) Date: Sun May 21 22:43:14 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Edirol UM-1X In-Reply-To: <20060521140520.B3AFE17DDAFB@music.columbia.edu> References: <20060521140520.B3AFE17DDAFB@music.columbia.edu> Message-ID: Esa Linna: > for this tip, and because Lordi won the Eurovision song contest! > Yyyeeeaaaaaahhhhh! Yeah, I think that was hysterically. Really cool. :-) gmplayer -ss 03:11:56 http://www.notam02.no/~kjetism/Eurovision_Song_Contest_2006__Finale_900_166110_20060520_210001.wmv From letterrip at gmail.com Sun May 21 23:30:17 2006 From: letterrip at gmail.com (Tom M) Date: Sun May 21 23:30:23 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Funding a open/free equivalent to major instrument sampling libraries Message-ID: <584fe5640605212030k46524edbo48f9b7ba1965faac@mail.gmail.com> I'm curious if there would be interest in organizing a free equivalent to the major symphonic orchestral libraries? I've read that the EW/QL Symphonic Orchestra cost 1.5 million to record, master etc. The obvious big costs are the orchestral players, the orchestral recording hall, and the sound engineers time and equipment. My thoughts are that the orchestral players and hall there are two options - see if an orchestra and its hall would be willing to donate playing time, or to use a professional orchestra in a country where the cost for the players and hall time is drastically lower. For the first option possibly one of the orchestras affiliated with an academic instution might be a possibility. For the second I suspect that China, India, and Russia, for instance all have a number of quality professional orchestras that might be hired for prices significantly below what an EU or US orchestras would cost. For funding perhaps contact the instructors at each College/University (there are 2600 in the US). If there is a target funding goal, set things up as individuals agree to contribute x$ once y% of individuals agree to contribute - so say if the goal is half a million and the minimal contribution is 200$ once 2500 people agree to participate then everyone donates. Perhaps seek a matching funds agreement with Carnegie Mellon foundation or such. Is this something of interest? Tom M. LetterRip From pshirkey at boosthardware.com Mon May 22 03:36:30 2006 From: pshirkey at boosthardware.com (Patrick Shirkey) Date: Mon May 22 03:36:53 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] DnB/Jungle tunes Message-ID: <447169FE.5040606@boosthardware.com> Hi, Is anyone round here making DnB/Jungle? I have an opportunity to promote this style with a fairly well known DJ/Producer. He is also interested in finding new acts to release on his label. If not is anyone here interested in collaborating with me on some new tunes. I have a few that could be made better with a second or third influence. The event is not until August so that gives 3 months to get a few tracks nailed to the wall. Cheers. -- Patrick Shirkey - Boost Hardware Ltd. Http://www.boosthardware.com Http://lau.linuxaudio.org - The Linux Audio Users guide ======================================== "Anything your mind can see you can manifest physically, then it will become reality" - Macka B From james at dis-dot-dat.net Mon May 22 03:57:41 2006 From: james at dis-dot-dat.net (james@dis-dot-dat.net) Date: Mon May 22 03:55:24 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] DnB/Jungle tunes In-Reply-To: <447169FE.5040606@boosthardware.com> References: <447169FE.5040606@boosthardware.com> Message-ID: <20060522075741.GM32183@fitz.Belkin> On Mon, 22 May, 2006 at 02:36PM +0700, Patrick Shirkey spake thus: > Hi, > > Is anyone round here making DnB/Jungle? I have an opportunity to promote > this style with a fairly well known DJ/Producer. He is also interested > in finding new acts to release on his label. When I started making music with my computer, drum and bass was all I ever did. Over the past few years, I seem to have done very little of it, for some reason. Probably after listening to the Jon B album and knowing he was just 19 when he made it. Git. Anyway, my stuff is at http://dis-dot-dat.net/index.cgi?item=music/ Try "dn505" and "chamber". There's also "dasub", but it uses uncleared samples. > If not is anyone here interested in collaborating with me on some new > tunes. I have a few that could be made better with a second or third > influence. I'm up for giving it a go. You can probably tell from my stuff that I like crunchy distorted sounds, but I'd quite like to make something super clean and sparkly for a change. James > The event is not until August so that gives 3 months to get a few tracks > nailed to the wall. > Cheers. > From viceic at net2000.ch Mon May 22 04:07:05 2006 From: viceic at net2000.ch (Predrag Viceic) Date: Mon May 22 04:07:11 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] DnB/Jungle tunes In-Reply-To: <447169FE.5040606@boosthardware.com> References: <447169FE.5040606@boosthardware.com> Message-ID: <200605221007.06359.viceic@net2000.ch> Hi Patrick, We (Flying Red Fish) are making DnB tracks since 1998.. you can listen to them here (Flash player): http://www.flyingredfish.com/ Cheers, Predrag http://freecycle.redsteamrecords.com Le Lundi 22 Mai 2006 09:36, Patrick Shirkey a ?crit?: > Hi, > > Is anyone round here making DnB/Jungle? I have an opportunity to promote > this style with a fairly well known DJ/Producer. He is also interested > in finding new acts to release on his label. > > If not is anyone here interested in collaborating with me on some new > tunes. I have a few that could be made better with a second or third > influence. > > The event is not until August so that gives 3 months to get a few tracks > nailed to the wall. > > Cheers. From seppstefano at yahoo.com Mon May 22 04:09:41 2006 From: seppstefano at yahoo.com (Stefano Papini) Date: Mon May 22 04:09:49 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [OT]: any relax music links? Message-ID: <20060522080941.18267.qmail@web61313.mail.yahoo.com> Hi all, sorry for being slightly OT. Would you recommend me some links in order to make my pregnant wife listen to some relax music? Many thanks for your help, Stefano __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From pshirkey at boosthardware.com Mon May 22 04:27:45 2006 From: pshirkey at boosthardware.com (Patrick Shirkey) Date: Mon May 22 04:28:10 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [OT]: any relax music links? In-Reply-To: <20060522080941.18267.qmail@web61313.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20060522080941.18267.qmail@web61313.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <44717601.30702@boosthardware.com> Hi, Try this one: http://draves.org/blog/archives/000275.html My pregnant wife just listened/watched it and it was exactly what she wanted. Took a day to download with bittorrent but well worth it. Cheers. Stefano Papini wrote: > Hi all, > sorry for being slightly OT. Would you recommend me > some links in order to make my pregnant wife listen to > some relax music? > > Many thanks for your help, > > Stefano > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > -- Patrick Shirkey - Boost Hardware Ltd. Http://www.boosthardware.com Http://lau.linuxaudio.org - The Linux Audio Users guide ======================================== "Anything your mind can see you can manifest physically, then it will become reality" - Macka B From pshirkey at boosthardware.com Mon May 22 04:29:21 2006 From: pshirkey at boosthardware.com (Patrick Shirkey) Date: Mon May 22 04:29:46 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] DnB/Jungle tunes In-Reply-To: <20060522075741.GM32183@fitz.Belkin> References: <447169FE.5040606@boosthardware.com> <20060522075741.GM32183@fitz.Belkin> Message-ID: <44717661.6060407@boosthardware.com> Hi, I'm having some trouble getting things to download from the site. Will keep trying. Cheers. james@dis-dot-dat.net wrote: > On Mon, 22 May, 2006 at 02:36PM +0700, Patrick Shirkey spake thus: >> Hi, >> >> Is anyone round here making DnB/Jungle? I have an opportunity to promote >> this style with a fairly well known DJ/Producer. He is also interested >> in finding new acts to release on his label. > > When I started making music with my computer, drum and bass was all I > ever did. Over the past few years, I seem to have done very little of > it, for some reason. Probably after listening to the Jon B album and > knowing he was just 19 when he made it. Git. > > Anyway, my stuff is at http://dis-dot-dat.net/index.cgi?item=music/ > > Try "dn505" and "chamber". > > There's also "dasub", but it uses uncleared samples. > >> If not is anyone here interested in collaborating with me on some new >> tunes. I have a few that could be made better with a second or third >> influence. > > I'm up for giving it a go. You can probably tell from my stuff that I > like crunchy distorted sounds, but I'd quite like to make something > super clean and sparkly for a change. > > > James > >> The event is not until August so that gives 3 months to get a few tracks >> nailed to the wall. > >> Cheers. >> > > -- Patrick Shirkey - Boost Hardware Ltd. Http://www.boosthardware.com Http://lau.linuxaudio.org - The Linux Audio Users guide ======================================== "Anything your mind can see you can manifest physically, then it will become reality" - Macka B From pshirkey at boosthardware.com Mon May 22 04:32:01 2006 From: pshirkey at boosthardware.com (Patrick Shirkey) Date: Mon May 22 04:32:32 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] DnB/Jungle tunes In-Reply-To: <200605221007.06359.viceic@net2000.ch> References: <447169FE.5040606@boosthardware.com> <200605221007.06359.viceic@net2000.ch> Message-ID: <44717701.1010004@boosthardware.com> Hi Predrag, Didn't know you were on this list. I listened to some of these a few weeks ago. They are very polished. Do you use open source tools to create? Can you recommend any that are specifically Jungle flavored? Cheers. Predrag Viceic wrote: > Hi Patrick, > > We (Flying Red Fish) are making DnB tracks since 1998.. you can listen to them > here (Flash player): > > http://www.flyingredfish.com/ > > Cheers, > Predrag > > http://freecycle.redsteamrecords.com > > > > Le Lundi 22 Mai 2006 09:36, Patrick Shirkey a ?crit : >> Hi, >> >> Is anyone round here making DnB/Jungle? I have an opportunity to promote >> this style with a fairly well known DJ/Producer. He is also interested >> in finding new acts to release on his label. >> >> If not is anyone here interested in collaborating with me on some new >> tunes. I have a few that could be made better with a second or third >> influence. >> >> The event is not until August so that gives 3 months to get a few tracks >> nailed to the wall. >> >> Cheers. > -- Patrick Shirkey - Boost Hardware Ltd. Http://www.boosthardware.com Http://lau.linuxaudio.org - The Linux Audio Users guide ======================================== "Anything your mind can see you can manifest physically, then it will become reality" - Macka B From alewis at systemsfusion.com Mon May 22 04:33:23 2006 From: alewis at systemsfusion.com (Andrew Lewis) Date: Mon May 22 04:34:39 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] DnB/Jungle tunes In-Reply-To: <44717661.6060407@boosthardware.com> References: <447169FE.5040606@boosthardware.com> <20060522075741.GM32183@fitz.Belkin> <44717661.6060407@boosthardware.com> Message-ID: <44717753.7030103@systemsfusion.com> Hi, Patrick Shirkey wrote: > I'm having some trouble getting things to download from the site. Will > keep trying. Hmm, odd... I just successfully downloaded the lot... I have some DnB (drillnbass/breakcore/spazcore?)'ish tunes on my uhm as of yet to be put out the door EP of aging tunes: preview @ http://www.myspace.com/binkyvonsopwith - though these were made w Windoze freeware (Soundclub) not anything *nix-based. :( As of while ago, however, I'm totally off Windoze and focussing on using Linux to produce music. :) Not much to show for it yet tho I'm afraid. :-\ Older Windoze music here: http://subversion.za.org/binky/deadbeat -- Andrew Lewis From james at dis-dot-dat.net Mon May 22 04:52:21 2006 From: james at dis-dot-dat.net (james@dis-dot-dat.net) Date: Mon May 22 04:50:04 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] DnB/Jungle tunes In-Reply-To: <200605221007.06359.viceic@net2000.ch> References: <447169FE.5040606@boosthardware.com> <200605221007.06359.viceic@net2000.ch> Message-ID: <20060522085221.GN32183@fitz.Belkin> On Mon, 22 May, 2006 at 10:07AM +0200, Predrag Viceic spake thus: > Hi Patrick, > > We (Flying Red Fish) are making DnB tracks since 1998.. you can listen to them > here (Flash player): > > http://www.flyingredfish.com/ Are these abailable in any other format? The flash player doesn't seem to make a sound on my machine. From james at dis-dot-dat.net Mon May 22 04:54:27 2006 From: james at dis-dot-dat.net (james@dis-dot-dat.net) Date: Mon May 22 04:52:10 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] DnB/Jungle tunes In-Reply-To: <44717661.6060407@boosthardware.com> References: <447169FE.5040606@boosthardware.com> <20060522075741.GM32183@fitz.Belkin> <44717661.6060407@boosthardware.com> Message-ID: <20060522085427.GO32183@fitz.Belkin> On Mon, 22 May, 2006 at 03:29PM +0700, Patrick Shirkey spake thus: > Hi, > > I'm having some trouble getting things to download from the site. Will > keep trying. What problem are you having? Is it a server problem or a client problem? James > Cheers. > > james@dis-dot-dat.net wrote: > >On Mon, 22 May, 2006 at 02:36PM +0700, Patrick Shirkey spake thus: > >>Hi, > >> > >>Is anyone round here making DnB/Jungle? I have an opportunity to promote > >>this style with a fairly well known DJ/Producer. He is also interested > >>in finding new acts to release on his label. > > > >When I started making music with my computer, drum and bass was all I > >ever did. Over the past few years, I seem to have done very little of > >it, for some reason. Probably after listening to the Jon B album and > >knowing he was just 19 when he made it. Git. > > > >Anyway, my stuff is at http://dis-dot-dat.net/index.cgi?item=music/ > > > >Try "dn505" and "chamber". > > > >There's also "dasub", but it uses uncleared samples. > > > >>If not is anyone here interested in collaborating with me on some new > >>tunes. I have a few that could be made better with a second or third > >>influence. > > > >I'm up for giving it a go. You can probably tell from my stuff that I > >like crunchy distorted sounds, but I'd quite like to make something > >super clean and sparkly for a change. > > > > > >James > > > >>The event is not until August so that gives 3 months to get a few tracks > >>nailed to the wall. > > > >>Cheers. > >> > > > > > > From viceic at net2000.ch Mon May 22 04:52:36 2006 From: viceic at net2000.ch (Predrag Viceic) Date: Mon May 22 04:53:00 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] DnB/Jungle tunes In-Reply-To: <44717701.1010004@boosthardware.com> References: <447169FE.5040606@boosthardware.com> <200605221007.06359.viceic@net2000.ch> <44717701.1010004@boosthardware.com> Message-ID: <200605221052.37001.viceic@net2000.ch> Le Lundi 22 Mai 2006 10:32, Patrick Shirkey a ?crit?: > Hi Predrag, > > Didn't know you were on this list. Well, I'm Freecycle author :) > > I listened to some of these a few weeks ago. They are very polished. Do > you use open source tools to create? Not really, some tunes (in Atrophyne..) are made with ams, but generally speaking, we are using macs (I'm the only one that works on Linux) I didn't give up the fight, but it's very difficult ot argue when you cannot use the Souncard (digi2) etc.. Another problem is that when people get used to their tools (Cubase, Prootols, VST plugins..etc) and OS, it is very difficult to change the habits. You must provide better tools (totaly subjective perpception..) and not just the equivalent.. Predrag > > Can you recommend any that are specifically Jungle flavored? > > Cheers. > > Predrag Viceic wrote: > > Hi Patrick, > > > > We (Flying Red Fish) are making DnB tracks since 1998.. you can listen to > > them here (Flash player): > > > > http://www.flyingredfish.com/ > > > > Cheers, > > Predrag > > > > http://freecycle.redsteamrecords.com > > > > Le Lundi 22 Mai 2006 09:36, Patrick Shirkey a ?crit : > >> Hi, > >> > >> Is anyone round here making DnB/Jungle? I have an opportunity to promote > >> this style with a fairly well known DJ/Producer. He is also interested > >> in finding new acts to release on his label. > >> > >> If not is anyone here interested in collaborating with me on some new > >> tunes. I have a few that could be made better with a second or third > >> influence. > >> > >> The event is not until August so that gives 3 months to get a few tracks > >> nailed to the wall. > >> > >> Cheers. From james at dis-dot-dat.net Mon May 22 05:02:53 2006 From: james at dis-dot-dat.net (james@dis-dot-dat.net) Date: Mon May 22 05:00:38 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] DnB/Jungle tunes In-Reply-To: <20060522085221.GN32183@fitz.Belkin> References: <447169FE.5040606@boosthardware.com> <200605221007.06359.viceic@net2000.ch> <20060522085221.GN32183@fitz.Belkin> Message-ID: <20060522090253.GP32183@fitz.Belkin> On Mon, 22 May, 2006 at 09:52AM +0100, James Shuttleworth spake thus: > On Mon, 22 May, 2006 at 10:07AM +0200, Predrag Viceic spake thus: > > Hi Patrick, > > > > We (Flying Red Fish) are making DnB tracks since 1998.. you can listen to them > > here (Flash player): > > > > http://www.flyingredfish.com/ > > Are these abailable in any other format? The flash player doesn't > seem to make a sound on my machine. Forget that, I got it working. Damn flash on linux, damn its eyes. These are beautiful tracks. Cathy's Song, especially is very very nice. James From viceic at net2000.ch Mon May 22 05:02:51 2006 From: viceic at net2000.ch (Predrag Viceic) Date: Mon May 22 05:02:55 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] DnB/Jungle tunes In-Reply-To: <20060522090253.GP32183@fitz.Belkin> References: <447169FE.5040606@boosthardware.com> <20060522085221.GN32183@fitz.Belkin> <20060522090253.GP32183@fitz.Belkin> Message-ID: <200605221102.51519.viceic@net2000.ch> feed://www.redsteamrecords.com/podcast/podcastTracks.xml :) P Le Lundi 22 Mai 2006 11:02, james@dis-dot-dat.net a ?crit?: > On Mon, 22 May, 2006 at 09:52AM +0100, James Shuttleworth spake thus: > > On Mon, 22 May, 2006 at 10:07AM +0200, Predrag Viceic spake thus: > > > Hi Patrick, > > > > > > We (Flying Red Fish) are making DnB tracks since 1998.. you can listen > > > to them here (Flash player): > > > > > > http://www.flyingredfish.com/ > > > > Are these abailable in any other format? The flash player doesn't > > seem to make a sound on my machine. > > Forget that, I got it working. Damn flash on linux, damn its eyes. > > These are beautiful tracks. Cathy's Song, especially is very very > nice. > > James From seppstefano at yahoo.com Mon May 22 05:20:39 2006 From: seppstefano at yahoo.com (Stefano Papini) Date: Mon May 22 05:20:44 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [OT]: any relax music links? In-Reply-To: <44717601.30702@boosthardware.com> Message-ID: <20060522092039.37678.qmail@web61317.mail.yahoo.com> Ciao Patrick, many thanks! Stefano --- Patrick Shirkey wrote: > Hi, > > Try this one: > > http://draves.org/blog/archives/000275.html > > My pregnant wife just listened/watched it and it was > exactly what she > wanted. > > Took a day to download with bittorrent but well > worth it. > > Cheers. > > > Stefano Papini wrote: > > Hi all, > > sorry for being slightly OT. Would you recommend > me > > some links in order to make my pregnant wife > listen to > > some relax music? > > > > Many thanks for your help, > > > > Stefano > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > protection around > > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > -- > Patrick Shirkey - Boost Hardware Ltd. > Http://www.boosthardware.com > Http://lau.linuxaudio.org - The Linux Audio Users > guide > ======================================== > > "Anything your mind can see you can manifest > physically, then it will > become reality" - Macka B > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From t_w_ at freenet.de Mon May 22 07:02:05 2006 From: t_w_ at freenet.de (Thorsten Wilms) Date: Mon May 22 07:02:20 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Call for LV2 logo designs Message-ID: <20060522110205.GA7328@charly.SWORD> Hi! LV2 is the upcoming LADSPA Version 2 plugin standard that has been in discussion on the developers list and in #lad channel on irc.freenode.org since a few weeks. This effort is mainly driven by Steve Harris and Dave Robillard, with input from several others. Different from the current LADSPA, it will be extendable and not be limited to processing audio, allthough that will most likely remain the focus. This is a call for designs for the LV2 logo to all of you! :) It was not easy to choose a name, but now you can consider it set in stone. So don't put it to question, please ;) It's not called LADSPA2, because it will not be compatible at all. Designs to be considered have to be announced on this list, preferably in this thread, until the 5th of June, 12:00 GMT (in 2 weeks). Requirements: - It should not be too similar to any well known logo to avoid legal trouble. - It must be based on the name, or be a combination of a sign/symbol with the name. - the name part must be legible. - It should be printable in pure black on white and work for packaging art, books, websites, about dialogs. - it should work well in small print (at least down to 12pt) - it should be characteristic, recognisable. - It should look good ;) Regards, Thorsten Wilms From capocasa at gmx.net Mon May 22 08:20:40 2006 From: capocasa at gmx.net (Carlo Capocasa) Date: Mon May 22 08:21:19 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Link: Extremely high quality free music In-Reply-To: <4470D8BF.30307@boosthardware.com> References: <4470D8BF.30307@boosthardware.com> Message-ID: Yeah that's correct, absolutely no free software with this guy as far as I can tell, but he's sure one one ripe plum of a prospective convert :) Do you worst! Carlo Patrick Shirkey wrote: > Carlo Capocasa wrote: >> For all of you who have been waiting for some amazing sounds that are >> high quality music first and libre second, I have found just that here: >> >> http://www.chillheimer.com >> >> Some of these sounds simply brought me to other places... they even >> have a song called 'Mind Travel'. I can't say exactly in what way but >> listening to the stuff is enlightening. >> >> Ambient, Jungle, Deep house genres and a lot of blending a few >> completely new styles, 61 tunes. >> > > Thanks for the links. > > I can hear he's trying to do something a little different there. I like > how mind travel progresses. It's fairly uplifting. > > How much of it do you think was composed with libre software? > > Cheers. > > From gkjoyce at gmail.com Mon May 22 08:35:26 2006 From: gkjoyce at gmail.com (greg) Date: Mon May 22 08:35:37 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [OT]: any relax music links? In-Reply-To: <20060522080941.18267.qmail@web61313.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20060522080941.18267.qmail@web61313.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1148301327.4939.4.camel@localhost> I don't know if this is "relaxing" exactly : Raymond Scott - Soothing Sounds for Baby. And why not Bruce Haack's "Way-Out Record For Children." Start that kid off right. On Mon, 2006-05-22 at 01:09 -0700, Stefano Papini wrote: > Hi all, > sorry for being slightly OT. Would you recommend me > some links in order to make my pregnant wife listen to > some relax music? > > Many thanks for your help, > > Stefano > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com From seppstefano at yahoo.com Mon May 22 09:20:06 2006 From: seppstefano at yahoo.com (Stefano Papini) Date: Mon May 22 09:20:34 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [OT]: any relax music links? In-Reply-To: <1148301327.4939.4.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <20060522132006.64533.qmail@web61315.mail.yahoo.com> Thanks Greg, anyway please consider that so much Mozart, Bach and others have already been played ;) In particular, she (my daughter) seems to like piano. My wife didn't like before...! Stefano --- greg wrote: > I don't know if this is "relaxing" exactly : Raymond > Scott - Soothing > Sounds for Baby. And why not Bruce Haack's "Way-Out > Record For > Children." Start that kid off right. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From cesare at poeticstudios.com Mon May 22 12:14:48 2006 From: cesare at poeticstudios.com (Cesare Marilungo) Date: Mon May 22 10:18:45 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [OT]: any relax music links? In-Reply-To: <20060522080941.18267.qmail@web61313.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20060522080941.18267.qmail@web61313.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4471E378.2000809@poeticstudios.com> Stefano Papini wrote: >Hi all, >sorry for being slightly OT. Would you recommend me >some links in order to make my pregnant wife listen to >some relax music? > >Many thanks for your help, > >Stefano > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around >http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > People keep saying that they find my own music 'relaxing'. Haven't understood yet if I should consider it a compliment. Some of my earlier tracks were even made with foetuses as a target audience. Really. I was inspired by the books (about hearing and sound in general) by Alfred Tomatis. An interesting reading if you don't know about him. He speculated a lot about how foetuses hear sounds and how they interpret them. You can download my music at: http://www.cesaremarilungo.com/music c. -- www.cesaremarilungo.com From dlphillips at woh.rr.com Mon May 22 10:52:07 2006 From: dlphillips at woh.rr.com (Dave Phillips) Date: Mon May 22 10:46:38 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] anyone remember Music Mouse ? Message-ID: <4471D017.4070505@woh.rr.com> Greetings: While browsing Tim's Atari MIDI World I noticed that Laurie Spiegel's Music Mouse was listed. Alas, it isn't a freebie, but for $15US I figured I'd go for it. I'm playing with it under the Xsteem Atari emulator, with the MIDI output routed to an ALSA virtual MIDI port and on to [your favorite synth here]. Great fun, very musical software. Working with Debian etch, Demudi 1.3, hand-rolled 2.6.15 kernel with high-resolution timing. And now we return to our regularly scheduled program ... Best, dp From seppstefano at yahoo.com Mon May 22 10:55:29 2006 From: seppstefano at yahoo.com (Stefano Papini) Date: Mon May 22 10:55:36 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [OT]: any relax music links? In-Reply-To: <4471E378.2000809@poeticstudios.com> Message-ID: <20060522145529.93660.qmail@web61321.mail.yahoo.com> Hi Cesare, many many thanks! Stefano --- Cesare Marilungo wrote: > Stefano Papini wrote: > > >Hi all, > >sorry for being slightly OT. Would you recommend me > >some links in order to make my pregnant wife listen > to > >some relax music? > > > >Many thanks for your help, > > > >Stefano > > > >__________________________________________________ > >Do You Yahoo!? > >Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > protection around > >http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > > > > > People keep saying that they find my own music > 'relaxing'. Haven't > understood yet if I should consider it a compliment. > > Some of my earlier tracks were even made with > foetuses as a target > audience. Really. > > I was inspired by the books (about hearing and sound > in general) by > Alfred Tomatis. An interesting reading if you don't > know about him. He > speculated a lot about how foetuses hear sounds and > how they interpret them. > > You can download my music at: > > http://www.cesaremarilungo.com/music > > c. > -- > www.cesaremarilungo.com > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From link at sumerianbabyl.com Mon May 22 11:12:12 2006 From: link at sumerianbabyl.com (Link Swanson) Date: Mon May 22 11:12:33 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] RME Multiface firmware problem In-Reply-To: <20060521063554.12414.qmail@web36314.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060521013705.B369817C830A@music.columbia.edu> <20060521063554.12414.qmail@web36314.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <57534.64.8.162.146.1148310732.squirrel@www.sumerianbabyl.com> I'm running FC4 CCRMA with the Multiface on a Biostar T-Force 939 with a Sempron 939. I have to open hdspmixer in order to hear any sound sometimes. I have recorded 8 simultaneous tracks with Ardour with no problems. I can run JACK, Ardour, Hydrogen, Zynaddsubfx, Jack-Rack, and Jamin all at once with no problems (maybe 1 or 2 xruns). Here's the board I use: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16813138264 On Sun, May 21, 2006 1:35 am, Moon wrote: > So I'm coming to the conclusion that the RME Multiface/dsp hardware > rev. 1.08 hates the ASUS A8N-E motherboard. I get an hwdep ioctl error > no matter how I set up the (limited) bios options and boot options with > Ubuntu dapper 2.6.15.22 or 2.6.15.23 (i386, i686, k7 of each tried). > Yes I got the firmware from alsa, yes the thing is plugged in. what 939 > pin (AMD 64x2) motherboards(desktop) have people had sucess with the > RME Multiface on and/or other linux os with asus a8n-e mobo? > Sorry i have no dmesg, lspci etc (though they all seemed to be in fine > shape) as I'm on another system > Thanks > m > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > -- e-mail is . . . From lanas at securenet.net Mon May 22 12:33:26 2006 From: lanas at securenet.net (lanas) Date: Mon May 22 12:34:16 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [Music] First track =?UTF-8?B?4oCT?= prog rock instrumental In-Reply-To: <4470DCF0.6090304@f2s.com> References: <4470DCF0.6090304@f2s.com> Message-ID: <20060522123326.4e5c301c@mistral.stie> On Sun, 21 May 2006 22:34:40 +0100 Q wrote: Hi, > Ogg-10 (18.6 MB) > http://www.spitfireq.f2s.com/music/Laetoli_%28a_fragment_of_a_track%29.ogg It's OK, but for my own tastes, it revolves a bit too much around the same. Though I almost heard some Mellotron in there a bit after the electric guitar kicks in ;-) And of course, if there was a voice somewhere in there that'd be great. Cheers. Al From jmn20 at bath.ac.uk Mon May 22 12:47:11 2006 From: jmn20 at bath.ac.uk (Jonty Needham) Date: Mon May 22 12:47:22 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [Music] First track =?windows-1251?Q?=96?= prog rock instrumental In-Reply-To: <4470DCF0.6090304@f2s.com> References: <4470DCF0.6090304@f2s.com> Message-ID: <1148316430.6566.10.camel@jmn.cs.bath.ac.uk> Sounds great IMO. What stuff did you use -- software, hardware etc. Jonty On Sun, 2006-05-21 at 22:34, Q wrote: > Hi everyone > > *gulp* Here goes... > > Finally everyone is happy with this. It's a prog(ish) rock instrumental > called "Laetoli (a fragment of a track)". > > Ogg-5 (6.47 MB) > http://www.spitfireq.f2s.com/music/Laetoli_%28a_fragment_of_a_track%29_ogg5.ogg > > Ogg-10 (18.6 MB) > http://www.spitfireq.f2s.com/music/Laetoli_%28a_fragment_of_a_track%29.ogg > > Flac (35.4 MB) > http://www.spitfireq.f2s.com/music/Laetoli_%28a_fragment_of_a_track%29.flac > > > Two or three of the wavs were recorded under Windows, shortly before I > discovered DeMuDi. Everything else has been recorded, mixed etc under Linux. > > It was, perhaps, not the easiest choice for the first piece to record ? > it's been a steep learning curve, not only making the transition from > Windows to Linux but also learning music software and DAW recording from > scratch. It has been fun though and made easier by all the useful > information and help and advice on the lists and elsewhere. It might > have been finished sooner had the guitarist not bought a new axe partway > through and insisted on re-recording a load of parts ;-) > > Hope you like it, feedback welcome. > > Q From mrmoo at nc.rr.com Mon May 22 12:47:23 2006 From: mrmoo at nc.rr.com (mrmoo@nc.rr.com) Date: Mon May 22 12:48:06 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Not sure of right app to relay an audio stream -- icecast? In-Reply-To: <20060522075535.1ED1F17FD4F7@music.columbia.edu> References: <20060522075535.1ED1F17FD4F7@music.columbia.edu> Message-ID: > I have used the software at slimdevices.com to set up an audio server > which can stream to one or more devices. I happen to have a > Squeezeboxin my living room, and use the Softsqueeze software > client to play the > same feed down in the studio. Nice for a party! > > The client and server software are all open source - awfully nice > of them! Thanks! I took a look at their wiki, and the network diagrams look like they'll be very helpful. That is pretty cool for them to share the software. Cheers, Mark -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- Version: 3.12 (to decode, see www.geekcode.com/geek.html) GLS$ d+ s+: a C+ UL--- P L++ E--- W+ N+ o+ K- w-- O-- M- V-- PS+ PE Y+ PGP- t 5-- X- R- tv+ b+ DI++ D++ G e+++ h--- r+++ y+++ ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------ From lanas at securenet.net Mon May 22 13:23:04 2006 From: lanas at securenet.net (lanas) Date: Mon May 22 13:23:42 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Getting some hardware... Message-ID: <20060522132304.004ca0ea@mistral.stie> Hi folks, I'm close now to getting some hardware, so I have more precise questions before I hit one of the music stores. I'd like ot have to suggestions/comments concerning a setup for doing what I'd liek to do. And that is: being able to input sequencer data using three different approaches: percussion, guitar and keyboard. For the sound sources, I'm presently partial to hardware synths/samplers. Although I've got some good sounds in the past (using soundfonts and a Live ! card and MuSE) I still feel that the best sounds are from actual hardware synths and samplers. I'd like to have some feedback on this. Are 'software' sounds really that good when compared to actual hardware synths ? What about samplers ? Are there any pro or semi-pro hardware synth and sampler cards for the PC that could turn a PC (with an additional external MIDI keyboard) into such a beast as these Korg (or others') workstations ? First of all I do not yet have a sound card for the AMD64 MSI K8N Neo4 board I have (4GB RAM and lots of disk space). So far I see these Hammerfall and M-Audio series. I'd also like to get accoustic input from accoustic guitars, flutes, and possibly voices/vocals. And then there's the playback using good speakers. And then there's the MIDI input when more than one MIDI instrument is used at the same time. Surely there must be a patch bay of some sorts. And there are the special effects, of which reverb would be mandatory to start with. So, if I choose the hardware sounds, I'll have to get some kind of external mixer for the line outs of the synths and mikes, isn't it ? What does Ardour mixes after all ? Can it control some kind of hardware mixers of which the knobs were removed (cheaper price ?) so to speak ? Thanks a lot for any comments ! Cheers, Al From qb at f2s.com Mon May 22 13:25:39 2006 From: qb at f2s.com (Q) Date: Mon May 22 14:25:50 2006 Subject: =?windows-1252?Q?Re=3A_=5Blinux-audio-user=5D_=5BMusic=5D_?= =?windows-1252?Q?First_track_=96_prog_rock_instrumental?= In-Reply-To: <20060522123326.4e5c301c@mistral.stie> References: <4470DCF0.6090304@f2s.com> <20060522123326.4e5c301c@mistral.stie> Message-ID: <4471F413.4020406@f2s.com> lanas wrote: > It's OK, but for my own tastes, it revolves a bit too much around the > same. Though I almost heard some Mellotron in there a bit after the > electric guitar kicks in ;-) And of course, if there was a voice > somewhere in there that'd be great. > > Cheers. > > Al > Fair point, I suppose it is a bit monotonous ? the same chord progression all the way through. I think I read an interview with the Floyd somewhere where they said they'd a bad habit of dragging one chord progression out for as long as they could, so maybe I've been listening to them too much and picked up their bad habits! I suppose I could drag it out to ten minutes if I really tried ;-) You definitely didn't hear Mellotron: if I could've squeezed it in somewhere I would have done :D It's probably the Hammond. Thanks for listening. Q From _ at whats-your.name Mon May 22 14:38:31 2006 From: _ at whats-your.name (c) Date: Mon May 22 14:40:18 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Not sure of right app to relay an audio stream -- icecast? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20060522183831.GD21295@replic.net> On Sun May 21, 2006 at 07:40:08PM -0400, mrmoo@nc.rr.com wrote: > What I would like to do with a home network (of only two machines) is > to relay mp3 audio stream from one box to another mt-daapd + rhythmbox(gnome), vlc(wx), banshee(mono) or itunes(wine) ices+icecast+playerofyourchoice amarok + (nfs + mysql) or nmm jack+netjack are 5 ways. if you want to share a collection of mp3s around the place, id try mt-daapd which manages the collection database and serving the files to a number of players. or if you are willing to have KDE everywhere, mount your files to the same path on each, and point all the amarok's to a single mysql database. the daapd players arent as useful otherwise, and the only one ive found that can properly skip through files playing over DAAP is iTunes, which is kind of hard to get going in WINE. mpd sounds good, until you realize its the inverse of the above setup. a bunch of clients controlling a single output point. maybe useful if you have a HTPD and some kind of linux wireless remote with a ncurses display, i donno... for physical streams (eg, ive got a radio reciever plugged into my server, but often want to listen to the radio from my notebook without fiddling with a USB tuner), ices->icecast is great. the 'kh' branch of ices includes an ices-jack client which is quite cool. if youve got a fast LAN, check out netjack, which is the same thing but uncompressed PCM instead of ogg/mp3.. ive never tried amarok's nmm support, but i think its some kind of integrated streaming thing that can output to other nmm 'nodes'... From allan_wind at lifeintegrity.com Mon May 22 14:42:45 2006 From: allan_wind at lifeintegrity.com (Allan Wind) Date: Mon May 22 14:44:56 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [Music] =?utf-8?Q?F?= =?utf-8?Q?irst_track_=E2=80=93?= prog rock instrumental In-Reply-To: <4471F413.4020406@f2s.com> References: <4470DCF0.6090304@f2s.com> <20060522123326.4e5c301c@mistral.stie> <4471F413.4020406@f2s.com> Message-ID: <20060522184245.GA25906@lifeintegrity.com> On 2006-05-22T18:25:39+0100, Q wrote: > I think I read an interview with the Floyd somewhere where they said > they'd a bad habit of dragging one chord progression out for as long > as they could, so maybe I've been listening to them too much and > picked up their bad habits! Sounded very much like Floyd to me (and nothing bad about that). /Allan From qb at f2s.com Mon May 22 14:22:48 2006 From: qb at f2s.com (Q) Date: Mon May 22 15:22:56 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [Music] First track =?UTF-8?B?4oCTIHByb2cg?= =?UTF-8?B?cm9jayBpbnN0cnVtZW50YWw=?= In-Reply-To: <1148316430.6566.10.camel@jmn.cs.bath.ac.uk> References: <4470DCF0.6090304@f2s.com> <1148316430.6566.10.camel@jmn.cs.bath.ac.uk> Message-ID: <44720178.8060508@f2s.com> Jonty Needham wrote: > Sounds great IMO. What stuff did you use -- software, hardware etc. > > Jonty Thanks, I'm glad you liked it. Software wise, it's recorded in Ardour. One or two wavs were recorded under Windows: I think probably the ORGANized Trio VSTi (Hammond emulator) was rendered to wav that way rather than recorded in Ardour, mainly because I'd not then taken the plunge and moved to Linux. I used shedloads of LADSPA plugins (which has caused me a lot of grief as I'm suffering badly with denormal problems). It's mastered using a combination of Ardour, Jamin and ReZound. I think some of the earliest recorded live parts (bass and rhythm guitar) were probably pre-amped through my old Yamaha MD4 four-track and the guitar recorded with an AKG D3700 dynamic mic and quite possibly using my onboard soundcard, eurgh! The newest recorded live parts (all the lap steel bits) were done with an SE Electronics SE2200A condensor through a Focusrite TwinTrak Pro, into an Audiophile 24/96 and out through a pair of Wharfedale Diamond 8.2 Pro actives ? I've spent a lot of cash in the past few months! Bass is a cheap Tanglewood P-bass copy. Rhythm guitar is a Blueshawk and the lap steel is my recently-acquired beautiful, bright green, hand-built Bennett that's become known as the Marrow (another recent purchase!). Oh and an Edirol PCR80 midi controller... I think I might have GAS :D Oops, sorry, information overload! Q From qb at f2s.com Mon May 22 14:23:42 2006 From: qb at f2s.com (Q) Date: Mon May 22 15:23:58 2006 Subject: =?windows-1252?Q?Re=3A_=5Blinux-audio-user=5D_=5BMusic=5D_?= =?windows-1252?Q?First_track_=96_prog_rock_instrumental?= In-Reply-To: <20060522184245.GA25906@lifeintegrity.com> References: <4470DCF0.6090304@f2s.com> <20060522123326.4e5c301c@mistral.stie> <4471F413.4020406@f2s.com> <20060522184245.GA25906@lifeintegrity.com> Message-ID: <447201AE.8090805@f2s.com> Allan Wind wrote: > On 2006-05-22T18:25:39+0100, Q wrote: >> I think I read an interview with the Floyd somewhere where they said >> they'd a bad habit of dragging one chord progression out for as long >> as they could, so maybe I've been listening to them too much and >> picked up their bad habits! > > Sounded very much like Floyd to me (and nothing bad about that). > > > /Allan > Thanks! Hopefully not _too_ much like Floyd though, I can't afford lawyers! Q From petter.sundlof at findus.dhs.org Mon May 22 15:46:02 2006 From: petter.sundlof at findus.dhs.org (=?windows-1252?Q?Petter_Sundl=F6f?=) Date: Mon May 22 15:46:16 2006 Subject: =?windows-1252?Q?Re=3A_=5Blinux-audio-user=5D_=5BMusic=5D_?= =?windows-1252?Q?First_track_=96_prog_rock_instrumental?= In-Reply-To: <4470DCF0.6090304@f2s.com> References: <4470DCF0.6090304@f2s.com> Message-ID: <447214FA.7090506@findus.dhs.org> Very nice! Good work. What recording hardware did you use? One mixing nitpick I might have is that the bass is perhaps a little high at the beginning? Cheers Q wrote: > Hi everyone > > *gulp* Here goes... > > Finally everyone is happy with this. It's a prog(ish) rock instrumental > called "Laetoli (a fragment of a track)". > > Ogg-5 (6.47 MB) > http://www.spitfireq.f2s.com/music/Laetoli_%28a_fragment_of_a_track%29_ogg5.ogg > > > Ogg-10 (18.6 MB) > http://www.spitfireq.f2s.com/music/Laetoli_%28a_fragment_of_a_track%29.ogg > > Flac (35.4 MB) > http://www.spitfireq.f2s.com/music/Laetoli_%28a_fragment_of_a_track%29.flac > > > Two or three of the wavs were recorded under Windows, shortly before I > discovered DeMuDi. Everything else has been recorded, mixed etc under > Linux. > > It was, perhaps, not the easiest choice for the first piece to record ? > it's been a steep learning curve, not only making the transition from > Windows to Linux but also learning music software and DAW recording from > scratch. It has been fun though and made easier by all the useful > information and help and advice on the lists and elsewhere. It might > have been finished sooner had the guitarist not bought a new axe partway > through and insisted on re-recording a load of parts ;-) > > Hope you like it, feedback welcome. > > Q From smetoyer at comcast.net Mon May 22 15:46:55 2006 From: smetoyer at comcast.net (smetoyer@comcast.net) Date: Mon May 22 15:47:18 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Ubuntu, ALSA, and the Roland UA-100 Message-ID: <052220061946.19453.4472152F000C3B8C00004BFD22092246279D0A97019B0A039C@comcast.net> Hey everyone... I'm a bit of a linux newb, so please bear with me. I'm using Ubuntu and attempting to get a Roland UA-100 setup with ALSA. The driver appears to load ok, however aplay will hang when trying to play any wave files (doesn't play any sound, has to be forcibly ended). Attempting to test in the Multimedia Systems Selector results in the 'Failed to construct test pipeline for Alsa' message. qjackctl actually starts Jack ok, but pressing the play button on the transport will not start it (it immediately flashes back to stopped)... Here's the results of aplay -l: card 0: UA100 [UA-100], device 0: USB Audio [USB Audio] Subdevices: 0/1 Subdevice #0: subdevice #0 and the results of lsmod | grep snd: snd_usb_audio 68160 3 snd_pcm_oss 46368 0 snd_mixer_oss 16128 2 snd_pcm_oss snd_pcm 78344 3 snd_usb_audio,snd_pcm_oss snd_page_alloc 10120 1 snd_pcm snd_usb_lib 13824 1 snd_usb_audio snd_hwdep 8608 1 snd_usb_audio snd_seq_dummy 3844 0 snd_seq_oss 29440 0 snd_seq_midi 8608 0 snd_rawmidi 22816 2 snd_usb_lib,snd_seq_midi snd_seq_midi_event 6656 2 snd_seq_oss,snd_seq_midi snd_seq 44688 6 snd_seq_dummy,snd_seq_oss,snd_seq_midi,snd_seq_midi_event snd_timer 21764 2 snd_pcm,snd_seq snd_seq_device 8204 5 snd_seq_dummy,snd_seq_oss,snd_seq_midi,snd_rawmidi,snd_seq snd 48644 13 snd_usb_audio,snd_pcm_oss,snd_mixer_oss,snd_pcm,snd_hwdep,snd_seq_oss,snd_rawmidi,snd_seq,snd_timer,snd_seq_device soundcore 9184 2 snd usbcore 104316 5 snd_usb_audio,snd_usb_lib,ndiswrapper,uhci_hcd and a cat /proc/asound/cards: 0 [UA100 ]: USB-Audio - UA-100 Roland UA-100 at usb-0000:00:1f.4-2.2, full speed Am I overlooking something simple? TIA for any help getting this thing working! From qb at f2s.com Mon May 22 15:02:48 2006 From: qb at f2s.com (Q) Date: Mon May 22 16:04:59 2006 Subject: =?windows-1252?Q?Re=3A_=5Blinux-audio-user=5D_=5BMusic=5D_?= =?windows-1252?Q?First_track_=96_prog_rock_instrumental?= In-Reply-To: <447214FA.7090506@findus.dhs.org> References: <4470DCF0.6090304@f2s.com> <447214FA.7090506@findus.dhs.org> Message-ID: <44720AD8.1030601@f2s.com> Petter Sundl?f wrote: > Very nice! Good work. What recording hardware did you use? > > One mixing nitpick I might have is that the bass is perhaps a little > high at the beginning? > > Cheers > Many thanks for your comments. I mentioned hardware in a follow-up to Jonty Needham's post ? our emails probably crossed in the ether. I think you might have a point about the bass; it's pretty exposed to start with and probably doesn't need to be quite that high. I need to play around with some of the timing in the bass part anyway so I'll probably bring the level down a little at the same time. Thanks for listening. Q From sonicx_ at gmx.net Mon May 22 17:08:27 2006 From: sonicx_ at gmx.net (SoNicX) Date: Mon May 22 17:08:40 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Getting some hardware... In-Reply-To: <20060522132304.004ca0ea@mistral.stie> References: <20060522132304.004ca0ea@mistral.stie> Message-ID: <200605222308.27839.sonicx_@gmx.net> hey. thats a lot of questions, i am not quite sure what you are planning to do. to compare "hw" vs "sw" in this case is a bit inappropriate - as all digital solutions use hw and some kind of sw. with a fast pc you can surely build an audioworkstation far superior to most standalone boxes that, in most cases, wont be able to give you as much features and tweakability as a real workstation. id say this small boxes are just little cheap audioworkstations with a limit range of uses. i suggest you take a look at http://ccrma.stanford.edu/planetccrma/software/ then go and buy yourself a rme hammerfall spu, and install the above mentioned software, newest alsa and newest jack-audio-system to the rme-pc. then start adding applications to that system as soon as it runs. use qjackctl to control the audiosystem of that workstation on a lightweight desktop, maybe a small gnome or even just a mwm. this will give you a basis for almost anything possible with sound. soundcards usually have a mixerdevice on them, and a good soundcard will have a good hw-mixer on it that will let you controll more than just the volumes of your channels and the midi-functionality. there apps for jack for almost every need, and some, like ardour and even many old stuff like eca or snd. you have to do some hours of reading on all this, but it sure is worth it. to answer your hardware questions a bit more specific: as i said, get a rme card which fullfills your needs, use the fastet bus options avaible, and go for a overall low latency system. fast ram, fast disk... and keep the installed system as small and light as possible. if your have gotten this far you will sure have a clue how to connect a midikeyboard to your workstation and so on. a major plus doing this the linux way is that it is cheap, and once stable it just rocks. hope you find something to fit your audioneeds. mfg jonas beck On Monday 22 May 2006 19:23, lanas wrote: > Hi folks, > > I'm close now to getting some hardware, so I have more precise > questions before I hit one of the music stores. I'd like ot have to > suggestions/comments concerning a setup for doing what I'd liek to do. > > And that is: being able to input sequencer data using three different > approaches: percussion, guitar and keyboard. For the sound sources, > I'm presently partial to hardware synths/samplers. Although I've got > some good sounds in the past (using soundfonts and a Live ! card and > MuSE) I still feel that the best sounds are from actual hardware synths > and samplers. I'd like to have some feedback on this. Are 'software' > sounds really that good when compared to actual hardware synths ? What > about samplers ? Are there any pro or semi-pro hardware synth and > sampler cards for the PC that could turn a PC (with an additional > external MIDI keyboard) into such a beast as these Korg (or > others') workstations ? > > First of all I do not yet have a sound card for the AMD64 MSI K8N > Neo4 board I have (4GB RAM and lots of disk space). So far I see these > Hammerfall and M-Audio series. > > I'd also like to get accoustic input from accoustic guitars, flutes, > and possibly voices/vocals. > > And then there's the playback using good speakers. > > And then there's the MIDI input when more than one MIDI instrument is > used at the same time. Surely there must be a patch bay of some sorts. > > And there are the special effects, of which reverb would be mandatory > to start with. > > So, if I choose the hardware sounds, I'll have to get some kind of > external mixer for the line outs of the synths and mikes, isn't it ? > What does Ardour mixes after all ? Can it control some kind of > hardware mixers of which the knobs were removed (cheaper price ?) so to > speak ? > > Thanks a lot for any comments ! > > Cheers, > > Al From markknecht at gmail.com Mon May 22 17:28:25 2006 From: markknecht at gmail.com (Mark Knecht) Date: Mon May 22 17:28:35 2006 Subject: =?WINDOWS-1252?Q?Re:_[linux-audio-user]_[Music]_Fi?= =?WINDOWS-1252?Q?rst_track_=96_prog_rock_instrumental?= In-Reply-To: <4470DCF0.6090304@f2s.com> References: <4470DCF0.6090304@f2s.com> Message-ID: <5bdc1c8b0605221428o4564f47eg12203843be333a3a@mail.gmail.com> On 5/21/06, Q wrote: > Hi everyone > > *gulp* Here goes... > > Finally everyone is happy with this. It's a prog(ish) rock instrumental > called "Laetoli (a fragment of a track)". > Hi Q, Good start. I like parts of it. Others not so much. Clearly it's worth working on further IMHO. It starts well and goes along nicely for about the first minute. Reminded me just a tiny bit of maybe Glass Hammer or someone like that. I like the picked guitar in the background running through the early parts of the song. However, where the guitar playing seems focused on driving the rhythm of the early parts, after the lead comes in then the guitar seems to lose focus and the playing drifts around a bit. It may be partly the way the bit of delay on the guitar part is mixing in. Not sure. I think I'd really try to develop all of that a bit more as it's an interesting part. I think like others I don't much care for the bass part too much when it comes in. Melodically I don't think it does much of anything to drive your themes forward. I like when the guitar comes in around 2:25. If I were working on the song I think I'd cut the early bass part completely and have it come in with or slightly before the guitar part. I'd keep it just operating as a bass and not as a lead at all, at least until the guitar has come in and made some headway in developing the themes. Anyway, I hope you don't take my comments to strongly. They are not meant to be anything more than observations. Keep going. I'll be interested in hearing it again as you get it more focused and together. Good luck, Mark From pshirkey at boosthardware.com Mon May 22 17:29:58 2006 From: pshirkey at boosthardware.com (Patrick Shirkey) Date: Mon May 22 17:30:44 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Air/fan noise simulation Message-ID: <44722D56.3050309@boosthardware.com> Hi, I never thought I would want this but I am experiencing a strange artifact of my crappy headphones mixed with the harmonics from a noisy cpu fan. Essentially the dynamics of the music I am listening to are greatly enhanced to the point where it sounds like a large group in an auditorium are playing along in time on wooden drums. I would love to figure out how to emulate this sound as it will mean I don't have to create any percussive sounds. It almost sounds like a windtunnel or a seashell. Any ideas? Cheers. -- Patrick Shirkey - Boost Hardware Ltd. Http://www.boosthardware.com Http://lau.linuxaudio.org - The Linux Audio Users guide ======================================== "Anything your mind can see you can manifest physically, then it will become reality" - Macka B From folderol at ukfsn.org Mon May 22 17:56:25 2006 From: folderol at ukfsn.org (Folderol) Date: Mon May 22 17:54:45 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [OT]: any relax music links? In-Reply-To: <20060522080941.18267.qmail@web61313.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20060522080941.18267.qmail@web61313.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20060522225625.0d2f12f4@office> On Mon, 22 May 2006 01:09:41 -0700 (PDT) Stefano Papini wrote: > Hi all, > sorry for being slightly OT. Would you recommend me > some links in order to make my pregnant wife listen to > some relax music? > > Many thanks for your help, > > Stefano Hmmm, well I don't know if my stuff is any good. Maybe you'd like to try it. http://www.folderol.ukfsn.org To anyone else who's interested There are three new tracks on there. Hear The News, Antartica & The Story Continues. Actually only Antartica is really new, the others are recycled :) -- F From qb at f2s.com Mon May 22 16:56:02 2006 From: qb at f2s.com (Q) Date: Mon May 22 17:57:51 2006 Subject: =?windows-1252?Q?Re=3A_=5Blinux-audio-user=5D_=5BMusic=5D_?= =?windows-1252?Q?First_track_=96_prog_rock_instrumental?= In-Reply-To: <5bdc1c8b0605221428o4564f47eg12203843be333a3a@mail.gmail.com> References: <4470DCF0.6090304@f2s.com> <5bdc1c8b0605221428o4564f47eg12203843be333a3a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <44722562.8050002@f2s.com> Mark Knecht wrote: > Hi Q, > Good start. I like parts of it. Others not so much. Clearly it's > worth working on further IMHO. It starts well and goes along nicely > for about the first minute. Reminded me just a tiny bit of maybe Glass > Hammer or someone like that. > > I like the picked guitar in the background running through the > early parts of the song. However, where the guitar playing seems > focused on driving the rhythm of the early parts, after the lead comes > in then the guitar seems to lose focus and the playing drifts around a > bit. It may be partly the way the bit of delay on the guitar part is > mixing in. Not sure. I think I'd really try to develop all of that a > bit more as it's an interesting part. > > I think like others I don't much care for the bass part too much > when it comes in. Melodically I don't think it does much of anything > to drive your themes forward. I like when the guitar comes in around > 2:25. If I were working on the song I think I'd cut the early bass > part completely and have it come in with or slightly before the guitar > part. I'd keep it just operating as a bass and not as a lead at all, > at least until the guitar has come in and made some headway in > developing the themes. > > Anyway, I hope you don't take my comments to strongly. They are not > meant to be anything more than observations. Keep going. I'll be > interested in hearing it again as you get it more focused and > together. > > Good luck, > Mark > Hi Mark Thanks for listening and for commenting. I'll have to read your post again in the morning ? I'm too tired to get my head round it at the moment. My initial reaction though is Eeek! ? I'm a bit worried now because I had considered it more or less finished and you suggest that it could do with more development! BTW, I've never heard of Glass Hammer before so I shall have to look them up. Cheers Q PS My spell-checker thinks your name should be Anechoic rather than Knecht :-) From folderol at ukfsn.org Mon May 22 18:01:11 2006 From: folderol at ukfsn.org (Folderol) Date: Mon May 22 17:59:28 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Air/fan noise simulation In-Reply-To: <44722D56.3050309@boosthardware.com> References: <44722D56.3050309@boosthardware.com> Message-ID: <20060522230111.7823f375@office> On Tue, 23 May 2006 04:29:58 +0700 Patrick Shirkey wrote: > Hi, > > I never thought I would want this but I am experiencing a strange > artifact of my crappy headphones mixed with the harmonics from a noisy > cpu fan. > > Essentially the dynamics of the music I am listening to are greatly > enhanced to the point where it sounds like a large group in an > auditorium are playing along in time on wooden drums. > > I would love to figure out how to emulate this sound as it will mean I > don't have to create any percussive sounds. > > It almost sounds like a windtunnel or a seashell. > > Any ideas? > > Cheers. You can get some very good wind effects with ZynAddSubFX. If you have this, I can e-mail you a couple that I have concocted. I use then in some of my music. One I call Bottle, the other Rushes. They probably won't be exactly what you want, but should give you a couple of starting points. -- F From pshirkey at boosthardware.com Mon May 22 18:03:47 2006 From: pshirkey at boosthardware.com (Patrick Shirkey) Date: Mon May 22 18:04:25 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Air/fan noise simulation In-Reply-To: <20060522230111.7823f375@office> References: <44722D56.3050309@boosthardware.com> <20060522230111.7823f375@office> Message-ID: <44723543.4020308@boosthardware.com> Hi, Unfortunately for me I cannot use Zyndubsfxaddd. Maybe there's another option? Cheers. Folderol wrote: > On Tue, 23 May 2006 04:29:58 +0700 > Patrick Shirkey wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> I never thought I would want this but I am experiencing a strange >> artifact of my crappy headphones mixed with the harmonics from a noisy >> cpu fan. >> >> Essentially the dynamics of the music I am listening to are greatly >> enhanced to the point where it sounds like a large group in an >> auditorium are playing along in time on wooden drums. >> >> I would love to figure out how to emulate this sound as it will mean I >> don't have to create any percussive sounds. >> >> It almost sounds like a windtunnel or a seashell. >> >> Any ideas? >> >> Cheers. > > You can get some very good wind effects with ZynAddSubFX. If you have > this, I can e-mail you a couple that I have concocted. I use then in > some of my music. One I call Bottle, the other Rushes. They probably > won't be exactly what you want, but should give you a couple of > starting points. > -- Patrick Shirkey - Boost Hardware Ltd. Http://www.boosthardware.com Http://lau.linuxaudio.org - The Linux Audio Users guide ======================================== "Anything your mind can see you can manifest physically, then it will become reality" - Macka B From pshirkey at boosthardware.com Mon May 22 18:17:09 2006 From: pshirkey at boosthardware.com (Patrick Shirkey) Date: Mon May 22 18:17:41 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] DnB/Jungle tunes In-Reply-To: <20060522085427.GO32183@fitz.Belkin> References: <447169FE.5040606@boosthardware.com> <20060522075741.GM32183@fitz.Belkin> <44717661.6060407@boosthardware.com> <20060522085427.GO32183@fitz.Belkin> Message-ID: <44723865.9060005@boosthardware.com> james@dis-dot-dat.net wrote: > On Mon, 22 May, 2006 at 03:29PM +0700, Patrick Shirkey spake thus: >> Hi, >> >> I'm having some trouble getting things to download from the site. Will >> keep trying. > > What problem are you having? Is it a server problem or a client > problem? > I got Chamber to download eventually. You listen to DJ Shadow much? Pretty raw and tight. Nice Snare sound. Did you record the sample or use a library? Cheers. -- Patrick Shirkey - Boost Hardware Ltd. Http://www.boosthardware.com Http://lau.linuxaudio.org - The Linux Audio Users guide ======================================== "Anything your mind can see you can manifest physically, then it will become reality" - Macka B From paul at linuxaudiosystems.com Mon May 22 18:54:02 2006 From: paul at linuxaudiosystems.com (Paul Davis) Date: Mon May 22 18:54:15 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] RME Multiface firmware problem In-Reply-To: <20060521063554.12414.qmail@web36314.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060521063554.12414.qmail@web36314.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1148338442.32289.118.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Sat, 2006-05-20 at 23:35 -0700, Moon wrote: > So I'm coming to the conclusion that the RME Multiface/dsp hardware > rev. 1.08 hates the ASUS A8N-E motherboard. I get an hwdep ioctl error > no matter how I set up the (limited) bios options and boot options with > Ubuntu dapper 2.6.15.22 or 2.6.15.23 (i386, i686, k7 of each tried). i suspect its a new rev of the firmware not currently supported by the ALSA driver. this has been a perennial problem and so the ALSA driver tends to be cautious - rather than work with any firmware by default, it assumes that if the firmware version is not explicitly listed, it doesn't work. however, your reports of an ioctl error suggest something slightly different. what happens if you boot into windows then warm boot into linux (no power shutdown to the multiface) ? ALSA does not distribute the "real firmware". what is handled by ALSA is what RME call the "io program" and it relies on a particular version of the actual "firmware" being in place in the PCI interface. --p From james at dis-dot-dat.net Mon May 22 19:03:15 2006 From: james at dis-dot-dat.net (james@dis-dot-dat.net) Date: Mon May 22 19:01:17 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] DnB/Jungle tunes In-Reply-To: <44723865.9060005@boosthardware.com> References: <447169FE.5040606@boosthardware.com> <20060522075741.GM32183@fitz.Belkin> <44717661.6060407@boosthardware.com> <20060522085427.GO32183@fitz.Belkin> <44723865.9060005@boosthardware.com> Message-ID: <20060522230315.GR32183@fitz.Belkin> On Tue, 23 May, 2006 at 05:17AM +0700, Patrick Shirkey spake thus: > james@dis-dot-dat.net wrote: > >On Mon, 22 May, 2006 at 03:29PM +0700, Patrick Shirkey spake thus: > >>Hi, > >> > >>I'm having some trouble getting things to download from the site. Will > >>keep trying. > > > >What problem are you having? Is it a server problem or a client > >problem? > > > > I got Chamber to download eventually. I don't know what's going on there. It's downloading at 130KB/s here :/ >You listen to DJ Shadow much? Yes, big fan, > Pretty raw and tight. > > Nice Snare sound. Did you record the sample or use a library? My sample collection has been growing for about a decade. More, really, but I threw out all my 8 bit samples a while ago :) It's actually a beat from an old FM cover CD, chopped, sliced and diced. James > > Cheers. > From loki.davison at gmail.com Mon May 22 19:12:03 2006 From: loki.davison at gmail.com (Loki Davison) Date: Mon May 22 19:12:13 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: DnB/Jungle tunes In-Reply-To: <447169FE.5040606@boosthardware.com> References: <447169FE.5040606@boosthardware.com> Message-ID: On 5/22/06, Patrick Shirkey wrote: > Hi, > > Is anyone round here making DnB/Jungle? I have an opportunity to promote > this style with a fairly well known DJ/Producer. He is also interested > in finding new acts to release on his label. > > If not is anyone here interested in collaborating with me on some new > tunes. I have a few that could be made better with a second or third > influence. > > The event is not until August so that gives 3 months to get a few tracks > nailed to the wall. > > Cheers. > > -- > Patrick Shirkey - Boost Hardware Ltd. > Http://www.boosthardware.com > Http://lau.linuxaudio.org - The Linux Audio Users guide > ======================================== > > "Anything your mind can see you can manifest physically, then it will > become reality" - Macka B > I'm starting to work on some dnb at the moment. Nothing to show of it really yet apart from some very work in progress stuff. http://loki.theworldsbestdomain.com/dnbchill.ogg Using om, smack and fluid. Loki From brianwredfern at gmail.com Mon May 22 19:16:56 2006 From: brianwredfern at gmail.com (Brian Redfern) Date: Mon May 22 19:17:11 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: DnB/Jungle tunes Message-ID: <392cbd2c0605221616x4a7a2c7cja5e649b9c25f7aaa@mail.gmail.com> I did some dnb with csound, have to re-work it and post to the list, csound has a "beatchopping" algorithmn since 4.23 that's really cool. From capocasa at gmx.net Mon May 22 19:35:18 2006 From: capocasa at gmx.net (Carlo Capocasa) Date: Mon May 22 19:36:03 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Getting some hardware... In-Reply-To: <20060522132304.004ca0ea@mistral.stie> References: <20060522132304.004ca0ea@mistral.stie> Message-ID: Hi there! Glad to be loading you up with my opinions. Here we go! > And that is: being able to input sequencer data using three different > approaches: percussion, guitar and keyboard. For the sound sources, Way cool! What input devices are you using/planning to use? What MIDI interface? > I'm presently partial to hardware synths/samplers. Although I've got > some good sounds in the past (using soundfonts and a Live ! card and > MuSE) I still feel that the best sounds are from actual hardware synths > and samplers. I'd like to have some feedback on this. Are 'software' That, I believe, is a big load of baloney, unless of course you believe in the esoteric powers of the MiniMoog (which can neither be proven nor disproven). As for samplers, a sampler is simply an expensive digital tape recorder that can be triggered by MIDI. There are absolutely NO SOUNDS in a sampler before someone puts them in. What you're looking for are SAMPLES, which can be used just fine with linux. There are loads of sample CDs available commercially, and many samples are availale for free as well. I think the free stuff is WAY more interesting, simply because there are absolutely no pathetically uncreative and easily manipulated suits to make decisions for the artists. Check out this (http://freesound.iua.upf.edu/) and tell me there's no quality sound available for free. OF COURSE sampler salespeople will tell you the opposite, they're trying to sell you samplers! Of course, I'm a linux enthusiast, so I'm trying to sell you linux. The decision, as always, is up to you. As for synthesizers, the synths basically all do the same thing. There's analogue synthesis, subtractive synthesis, and physical modelling. All the marketing people are blowing a whole bunch of horns on little details that make no difference whatsoever if you're a good musician. All I ever need for synths is ZynAddSubFX, which has additive and subtractive synthesis. Of course, you need to learn to synthesize your own sounds, but you need to do that anyway if you're going to take your creative juices seriously. Believe me, when you have your first gig and all you're carrying is a lap top computer instead of twenty different 20kg devices that all need to be hooked up the exactly right of 10'000 different ways, you're gonna thank me. That's why we use linux, real time mixing, synthing, sampling and recording all in one device, and we can MIDI-control it if we want some fancy faders. > sounds really that good when compared to actual hardware synths ? What > about samplers ? Are there any pro or semi-pro hardware synth and > sampler cards for the PC that could turn a PC (with an additional > external MIDI keyboard) into such a beast as these Korg (or > others') workstations ? You need excellent D/A converters which you can get at the price of a hardware sampler. Try RME and Apogee devices. Then you will have superior audio quality and flexibility. > First of all I do not yet have a sound card for the AMD64 MSI K8N > Neo4 board I have (4GB RAM and lots of disk space). So far I see these > Hammerfall and M-Audio series. Rumours have it M-Audio suffers difficult-to-predict linux incompatibilities. Right now I like the ESI, Roland and RME stuff, or Echo if you don't need a lot of ports and have a laptop. > I'd also like to get accoustic input from accoustic guitars, flutes, > and possibly voices/vocals. For that, you need a condensor microphone with a pre-amplifier that supports phantom power. Or, you can get something like the Samson C01U USB mike, and have low-priced decent quality in an all-in-one thing. Screw the latency though for anything USB, it's hard to get below 40ms in my experience. If you go for an analogue microphone, get a condensor microphone for studio recording, a dynamic microphone for live stage vocals and winds, and a specialized acoustic guitar pick-up for the gitty. For Mics I have a good hunch about Sennheiser. I suggest you get a card like the edirol thingies that include Mic pre-amps. Unless you want to go ultra-high-end and get a rack and devices that mount there. Try Apogee if you're rich. > And then there's the playback using good speakers. Studio monitors. Pay attention to 'linear frequency response' and get what sounds good. I tested and found Behringer's to be sub-standard, aside of that I can't say much. For headphones, I have the Sennheiser HD 265 and it's gorgeous, a joy to listen, AND linear. cost me 200 big ones. > And then there's the MIDI input when more than one MIDI instrument is > used at the same time. Surely there must be a patch bay of some sorts. USB MIDI around 70 biggies, or included if you get an all-in-one card. Just be sure to get firewire and NOT USB. (latency and reliability) > And there are the special effects, of which reverb would be mandatory > to start with. Suggest you go software. That's where the big savings come in using free software. From all you wanna buy it sounds like you could possibly afford Apogee converters, and even a Neumann microphone. I would get the very best analogue signal chain and keep it short, then do the rest with Free Software. Tell you what: Get the Apogee Ensemble for the best D/A conversion around, INCLUDING pre-amps, and then PAY the freebob people to write drivers. That way your money couldn't be invested any better. Before I would buy a reverb unit I would pay some free software guy to write one and GPL it. That way you're benefitting thousands of people. Believe in Karma? So, if I choose the hardware sounds, I'll have to get some kind of > external mixer for the line outs of the synths and mikes, isn't it ? > What does Ardour mixes after all ? Can it control some kind of > hardware mixers of which the knobs were removed (cheaper price ?) so to > speak ? Yikes. LONG analogue signal chain. Bad. Very expensive to get decent quality. Invest money in good D/A conversion and pre-amps, and do everything else inside the computer. Best value for money. > Thanks a lot for any comments ! > > Cheers, > > Al You're very welcome. Hope I could help. Your thoughts on my comments very welcome. Carlo From rlrevell at joe-job.com Mon May 22 19:58:34 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Mon May 22 19:58:43 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Getting some hardware... In-Reply-To: References: <20060522132304.004ca0ea@mistral.stie> Message-ID: <1148342315.2556.110.camel@mindpipe> On Tue, 2006-05-23 at 01:35 +0200, Carlo Capocasa wrote: > Believe me, when you have your first gig and all you're carrying is a > lap top computer instead of twenty different 20kg devices that all > need to be hooked up the exactly right of 10'000 different ways, > you're gonna thank me. That's why we use linux, real time mixing, > synthing, sampling and recording all in one device, and we can > MIDI-control it if we want some fancy faders. > Well, this cuts both ways. Those 20kg devices are made to handle spilling beer into them or being whacked with the head of a guitar or a flying drumstick. Laptops are made to sit on a desk in an office or in a padded bag. Lee From pshirkey at boosthardware.com Mon May 22 20:03:21 2006 From: pshirkey at boosthardware.com (Patrick Shirkey) Date: Mon May 22 20:03:59 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: DnB/Jungle tunes In-Reply-To: References: <447169FE.5040606@boosthardware.com> Message-ID: <44725149.5070907@boosthardware.com> Loki Davison wrote: > On 5/22/06, Patrick Shirkey wrote: >> Hi, >> >> Is anyone round here making DnB/Jungle? I have an opportunity to promote >> this style with a fairly well known DJ/Producer. He is also interested >> in finding new acts to release on his label. >> >> If not is anyone here interested in collaborating with me on some new >> tunes. I have a few that could be made better with a second or third >> influence. >> >> The event is not until August so that gives 3 months to get a few tracks >> nailed to the wall. >> >> Cheers. >> >> -- >> Patrick Shirkey - Boost Hardware Ltd. >> Http://www.boosthardware.com >> Http://lau.linuxaudio.org - The Linux Audio Users guide >> ======================================== >> >> "Anything your mind can see you can manifest physically, then it will >> become reality" - Macka B >> > > I'm starting to work on some dnb at the moment. Nothing to show of it > really yet apart from some very work in progress stuff. > http://loki.theworldsbestdomain.com/dnbchill.ogg > Using om, smack and fluid. > > Loki > That's pretty cute at the moment. I think the High hats and crash need to be speed up after the forth bar once they come in. Also the bass is kind of flat. You have left a lot of room so it could be alot more powerful. After all there is no point playing it unless you have a 10KW or louder system right? But keep me informed of your developments. Especially anything that goes on a Junglist/Ragga tip. Cheers. -- Patrick Shirkey - Boost Hardware Ltd. Http://www.boosthardware.com Http://lau.linuxaudio.org - The Linux Audio Users guide ======================================== "Anything your mind can see you can manifest physically, then it will become reality" - Macka B From pshirkey at boosthardware.com Mon May 22 20:05:16 2006 From: pshirkey at boosthardware.com (Patrick Shirkey) Date: Mon May 22 20:05:54 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Getting some hardware... In-Reply-To: <1148342315.2556.110.camel@mindpipe> References: <20060522132304.004ca0ea@mistral.stie> <1148342315.2556.110.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <447251BC.8010107@boosthardware.com> Lee Revell wrote: > On Tue, 2006-05-23 at 01:35 +0200, Carlo Capocasa wrote: >> Believe me, when you have your first gig and all you're carrying is a >> lap top computer instead of twenty different 20kg devices that all >> need to be hooked up the exactly right of 10'000 different ways, >> you're gonna thank me. That's why we use linux, real time mixing, >> synthing, sampling and recording all in one device, and we can >> MIDI-control it if we want some fancy faders. >> > > Well, this cuts both ways. Those 20kg devices are made to handle > spilling beer into them or being whacked with the head of a guitar or a > flying drumstick. Laptops are made to sit on a desk in an office or in > a padded bag. > Yeah it's hard to really head bang when you have to worry about your geek bandmates laptop ;) -- Patrick Shirkey - Boost Hardware Ltd. Http://www.boosthardware.com Http://lau.linuxaudio.org - The Linux Audio Users guide ======================================== "Anything your mind can see you can manifest physically, then it will become reality" - Macka B From lanas at securenet.net Mon May 22 20:07:23 2006 From: lanas at securenet.net (lanas) Date: Mon May 22 20:08:26 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Getting some hardware... In-Reply-To: References: <20060522132304.004ca0ea@mistral.stie> Message-ID: <20060522200723.76d901e9@mistral.stie> On Tue, 23 May 2006 01:35:18 +0200 Carlo Capocasa wrote: Hi ! > Hi there! Glad to be loading you up with my opinions. Here we go! Guess what, I've printed your reply, am going through it with a pencil, and will research each item mentioned. There's an awful lot in there that I simply don't know nothing about. Overall, I can say for now that yeah, you do provide the good points of using more Linux than hardware. Get back to you with some more questions soon. Cheers, Al From forest at alittletooquiet.net Mon May 22 20:08:26 2006 From: forest at alittletooquiet.net (Forest Bond) Date: Mon May 22 20:09:24 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: DnB/Jungle tunes In-Reply-To: References: <447169FE.5040606@boosthardware.com> Message-ID: <20060523000826.GD22210@storm.local.network> > I'm starting to work on some dnb at the moment. Nothing to show of it > really yet apart from some very work in progress stuff. > http://loki.theworldsbestdomain.com/dnbchill.ogg > Using om, smack and fluid. > > Loki Out of curiousity, this isn't DJ Loki from NYC (the Konkrete Jungle guy)? -Forest -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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This module is no longer available there, so I am releasing it for download via SourceForge. The kernel developers prefer their own rlimits solution for granting realtime privileges. Since that is their responsibility, I defer to their feelings. Since their solution requires PAM updates which have been very slow to appear in end-user distributions, I continue to provide this (simpler) solution via SourceForge for those who need it. There are no new features. You need not update, if an older version still works for you. This patch is not actively being developed, but I will continue to provide support as needed for the many users of distributions still lacking the required PAM updates for the rlimits solution preferred by the kernel developers. This release only supports kernel version 2.6.6 and newer. For older kernels, realtime-lsm-0.1.1 is still available. This LSM was written by Torben Hohn and Jack O'Quin, who make no warranty concerning the safety, security or even stability of your system when using it. But, if you do have problems, please report them on the linux-audio-user@music.columbia.edu mailing list -- joq From mle+la at mega-nerd.com Mon May 22 20:17:06 2006 From: mle+la at mega-nerd.com (Erik de Castro Lopo) Date: Mon May 22 20:18:27 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: DnB/Jungle tunes In-Reply-To: <392cbd2c0605221616x4a7a2c7cja5e649b9c25f7aaa@mail.gmail.com> References: <392cbd2c0605221616x4a7a2c7cja5e649b9c25f7aaa@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20060523101706.f161e6e3.mle+la@mega-nerd.com> Brian Redfern wrote: > I did some dnb with csound, have to re-work it and post to the list, > csound has a "beatchopping" algorithmn since 4.23 that's really cool. Care to release the csound ORC and SCO files? I've been wanting to mess with csound for ages, but getting a handle on it is a rather daunting task. Erik -- +-----------------------------------------------------------+ Erik de Castro Lopo +-----------------------------------------------------------+ "I believe C++ instills fear in programmers, fear that the interaction of some details causes unpredictable results. Its unmanageable complexity has spawned more fear-preventing tools than any other language, but the solution _should_ have been to create and use a language that does not overload the whole goddamn human brain with irrelevant details." -- Erik Naggum From lanas at securenet.net Mon May 22 20:16:58 2006 From: lanas at securenet.net (lanas) Date: Mon May 22 20:18:43 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [Music] First track =?UTF-8?B?4oCT?= prog rock instrumental In-Reply-To: <4471F413.4020406@f2s.com> References: <4470DCF0.6090304@f2s.com> <20060522123326.4e5c301c@mistral.stie> <4471F413.4020406@f2s.com> Message-ID: <20060522201658.3ef1ae6c@mistral.stie> On Mon, 22 May 2006 18:25:39 +0100 Q wrote: Hi ! > > It's OK, but for my own tastes, it revolves a bit too much around > > the same. Though I almost heard some Mellotron in there a bit > > after the electric guitar kicks in ;-) And of course, if there was > > a voice somewhere in there that'd be great. > Fair point, I suppose it is a bit monotonous ? the same chord > progression all the way through. I think I read an interview with the > Floyd somewhere where they said they'd a bad habit of dragging one > chord progression out for as long as they could, so maybe I've been > listening to them too much and picked up their bad habits! I suppose > I could drag it out to ten minutes if I really tried ;-) My impression is that this style (i.e. repeating the same and building on it) is hard to get accross if there's not something quite grasping getting the listener. Could be the mood, could be the music hooks, the tension, etc... So I find it's a hard style to do. But some do it. PF was one. Tangerine Dream were another. Or take Ravel's 'Bolero'. I was listening to Asturias' 'Brillant Streams' yesterday which is also in the same vein. But it's hard to get and move the proper mood and getting and developing the tension all along the way when things are basically repeating, I find. But that's also just me. I'll try it when I'll get my setup made ! Cheers, Al From markknecht at gmail.com Mon May 22 20:35:38 2006 From: markknecht at gmail.com (Mark Knecht) Date: Mon May 22 20:35:45 2006 Subject: =?WINDOWS-1252?Q?Re:_[linux-audio-user]_[Music]_Fi?= =?WINDOWS-1252?Q?rst_track_=96_prog_rock_instrumental?= In-Reply-To: <44722562.8050002@f2s.com> References: <4470DCF0.6090304@f2s.com> <5bdc1c8b0605221428o4564f47eg12203843be333a3a@mail.gmail.com> <44722562.8050002@f2s.com> Message-ID: <5bdc1c8b0605221735h5a85f102qdfa5f09ca01d6c07@mail.gmail.com> On 5/22/06, Q wrote: > > Hi Mark > > Thanks for listening and for commenting. I'll have to read your post > again in the morning ? I'm too tired to get my head round it at the moment. > > My initial reaction though is Eeek! ? I'm a bit worried now because I > had considered it more or less finished and you suggest that it could do > with more development! Like I said, please don't over react to what I'm saying. Had you not specifically suggested 'prog rock' in your initial post I probaby wouldn't have said anything. However my normal playlist in Aqualung is over 50 hours of prog rock. It's pretty much all I listen to. From that standpoint, while I may or may not be qualified musically, at least I feel in touch with the genre. > > BTW, I've never heard of Glass Hammer before so I shall have to look > them up. Interesting band. You might like them. I do. I buy my CD's directly from the band actually. Check out their website for more info: http://www.glasshammer.com/ Cheers, Mark From capocasa at gmx.net Mon May 22 20:36:06 2006 From: capocasa at gmx.net (Carlo Capocasa) Date: Mon May 22 20:36:51 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Getting some hardware... In-Reply-To: <447251BC.8010107@boosthardware.com> References: <20060522132304.004ca0ea@mistral.stie> <1148342315.2556.110.camel@mindpipe> <447251BC.8010107@boosthardware.com> Message-ID: > Yeah it's hard to really head bang when you have to worry about your > geek bandmates laptop ;) Get a geek band. From pshirkey at boosthardware.com Mon May 22 20:51:03 2006 From: pshirkey at boosthardware.com (Patrick Shirkey) Date: Mon May 22 20:51:30 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Getting some hardware... In-Reply-To: References: <20060522132304.004ca0ea@mistral.stie> <1148342315.2556.110.camel@mindpipe> <447251BC.8010107@boosthardware.com> Message-ID: <44725C77.3030801@boosthardware.com> Carlo Capocasa wrote: > >> Yeah it's hard to really head bang when you have to worry about your >> geek bandmates laptop ;) > > Get a geek band. > > Still the same prob. Better to become a DJ. :-P -- Patrick Shirkey - Boost Hardware Ltd. Http://www.boosthardware.com Http://lau.linuxaudio.org - The Linux Audio Users guide ======================================== "Anything your mind can see you can manifest physically, then it will become reality" - Macka B From capocasa at gmx.net Mon May 22 21:02:36 2006 From: capocasa at gmx.net (Carlo Capocasa) Date: Mon May 22 21:03:07 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Getting some hardware... In-Reply-To: <44725C77.3030801@boosthardware.com> References: <20060522132304.004ca0ea@mistral.stie> <1148342315.2556.110.camel@mindpipe> <447251BC.8010107@boosthardware.com> <44725C77.3030801@boosthardware.com> Message-ID: If there's one thing I'm going to do before I die it's become the coolest, most famous musician I possibly can and lug around a laptop with a really big penguin on it. Geeks get some. From _ at whats-your.name Mon May 22 21:31:53 2006 From: _ at whats-your.name (c) Date: Mon May 22 21:32:10 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Getting some hardware... In-Reply-To: References: <20060522132304.004ca0ea@mistral.stie> <1148342315.2556.110.camel@mindpipe> <447251BC.8010107@boosthardware.com> <44725C77.3030801@boosthardware.com> Message-ID: <20060523013153.GE21295@replic.net> On Tue May 23, 2006 at 03:02:36AM +0200, Carlo Capocasa wrote: > If there's one thing I'm going to do before I die it's become the coolest, most famous musician I possibly can and lug around a laptop with a > really big penguin on it. is anyone giving away these stickers for free? the best i could find was a big pile of Gay-Flag^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^HApple stickers from my IIGS/... > > Geeks get some. > From pcoccoli at gmail.com Mon May 22 22:34:52 2006 From: pcoccoli at gmail.com (Paul Coccoli) Date: Mon May 22 22:36:21 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] ecasound interactive mode Message-ID: <8d27a0610605221934p4ee11852i90c4c64ee646a86a@mail.gmail.com> How do you add a second chain in ecasound in interactive mode? I can create one chain that reads a file for input and outputs to jack, but if I try to add another chain I get the following: ecasound ('h' for help)> c-add t2 (eca-control) WARNING: This operation requires that chainsetup is ... disconnected. Temporarily disconnecting... - [ Engine exiting ] ----------------------------------------------------------- (eca-control-objects) Disconnecting chainsetup: "command-line-setup". - [ Chainsetup disconnected ] -------------------------------------------------- (eca-control-objects) Added chains: t2. (eca-chainsetup) Unable to connect: Chain "t2" is not valid. Following errors ... were detected: (eca-chainsetup) Chain "t2" is not connected to any input. All chains must have ... exactly one valid input. (2.1-NO-CHAIN-INPUT) (eca-chainsetup) Chain "t2" is not connected to any output. All chains must have ... exactly one valid output. (2.2-NO-CHAIN-OUTPUT) ERROR: Can't reconnect chainsetup. Well, ok, so then I quit, restart with 1 chain again, THEN create new input and output, and try to create a second chain: ecasound ('h' for help)> ai-add jack_auto (eca-control-objects) Added audio input "jack_auto". ecasound ('h' for help)> ao-add jack_auto (eca-control-objects) Added audio output "jack_auto". ecasound ('h' for help)> c-add t2 (eca-control-objects) Added chains: t2. ecasound ('h' for help)> c-list t1,t2 ecasound ('h' for help)> start (eca-chainsetup) Unable to connect: Chain "t2" is not valid. Following errors ... were detected: (eca-chainsetup) Chain "t2" is not connected to any input. All chains must have ... exactly one valid input. (2.1-NO-CHAIN-INPUT) (eca-chainsetup) Chain "t2" is not connected to any output. All chains must have ... exactly one valid output. (2.2-NO-CHAIN-OUTPUT) (eca-chainsetup) WARNING: Input "track1.wav" is not connected to any chain. ... (3.1-DISCON-INPUT) (eca-chainsetup) WARNING: Output "jack_auto" is not connected to any chain. ... (3.2-DISCON-OUTPUT) ERROR: Selected chainsetup cannot be connected. Can't perform requested action. Hmm. If a chain MUST have one valid input and output, but inputs and outputs need to be connected to a chain, THEN ITS A PARADOX AND MY HEAD EXPLODES! Seriously, I'm tryin the most basic thing in the world and I can't do it. Maybe it's just too late at night... paul From rlrevell at joe-job.com Mon May 22 23:14:05 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Mon May 22 23:14:14 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Getting some hardware... In-Reply-To: References: <20060522132304.004ca0ea@mistral.stie> <1148342315.2556.110.camel@mindpipe> <447251BC.8010107@boosthardware.com> Message-ID: <1148354046.12366.1.camel@mindpipe> On Tue, 2006-05-23 at 02:36 +0200, Carlo Capocasa wrote: > > Yeah it's hard to really head bang when you have to worry about your > > geek bandmates laptop ;) > > Get a geek band. > Hey, I'm a geek, and I spill beer on things and break stuff all the time! Lee From joelz at pobox.com Mon May 22 23:55:19 2006 From: joelz at pobox.com (Joel Roth) Date: Mon May 22 23:48:05 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] ecasound interactive mode In-Reply-To: <8d27a0610605221934p4ee11852i90c4c64ee646a86a@mail.gmail.com> References: <8d27a0610605221934p4ee11852i90c4c64ee646a86a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20060523035519.GA3580@sprite> On Mon, May 22, 2006 at 10:34:52PM -0400, Paul Coccoli wrote: > How do you add a second chain in ecasound in interactive mode? I can > create one chain that reads a file for input and outputs to jack, but > if I try to add another chain I get the following: > [trials and errors snipped] > Hmm. If a chain MUST have one valid input and output, but inputs and > outputs need to be connected to a chain, THEN ITS A PARADOX AND MY > HEAD EXPLODES! > > Seriously, I'm tryin the most basic thing in the world and I can't do > it. Maybe it's just too late at night... I sympathize. You are not alone! Troubles of this nature are what prompted me to write a front end to Ecasound. There are now three GUI Ecasound interfaces: Tkeca, Visecas and Ecmd, and three scripting interfaces: Audio::Ecasound (perl), pyecas (python) and an elisp interface for Emacs. To address your question... I can't say what is wrong with what you tried, but the following is somewhat similar, and generates a valid chain setup: ecasound ('h' for help)> cs-add twochain - [ Chainsetup created (empty) ] ----------------------------------------------- (eca-control-objects) Added a new chainsetup with name "twochain". ecasound ('h' for help)> c-add t1,t2 (eca-control-objects) Added chains: t1, t2. ecasound ('h' for help)> c-select t1 ecasound ('h' for help)> ai-add jack,auto (eca-control-objects) Added audio input "jack,auto". ecasound ('h' for help)> ao-add jack,auto (eca-control-objects) Added audio output "jack,auto". ecasound ('h' for help)> c-select t2 ecasound ('h' for help)> ai-add jack,auto (eca-control-objects) Added audio input "jack,auto". ecasound ('h' for help)> ao-add jack,auto (eca-control-objects) Added audio output "jack,auto". ecasound ('h' for help)> cs-is-valid 1 ecasound ('h' for help)> fs ### Audio input/output status (chainsetup 'twochain') ### Input (1): "jack" - [JACK interface] -> connected to chains "t1": realtime-device; position 0, delay 0. -> closed, s16_le/2ch/44100Hz, buffer 1024. Input (2): "jack" - [JACK interface] [selected] -> connected to chains "t2": realtime-device; position 0, delay 0. -> closed, s16_le/2ch/44100Hz, buffer 1024. Output (1): "jack" - [JACK interface] -> connected to chains "t1": realtime-device; position 0, delay 0. -> closed, s16_le/2ch/44100Hz, buffer 1024. Output (2): "jack" - [JACK interface] [selected] -> connected to chains "t2": realtime-device; position 0, delay 0. -> closed, s16_le/2ch/44100Hz, buffer 1024. Regards, Joel > paul -- Joel Roth From Stuart.Allie at hydro.com.au Tue May 23 00:02:26 2006 From: Stuart.Allie at hydro.com.au (Stuart Allie) Date: Tue May 23 00:03:55 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] ecasound interactive mode Message-ID: <3FFEDE09D8DF1C4F8DAC977A920A76B6102E506E@swhexprod.hydrotasmania.com.au> Hi Paul, > > How do you add a second chain in ecasound in interactive > mode? I can create one chain that reads a file for input and > outputs to jack, but if I try to add another chain I get the > following: > > ecasound ('h' for help)> c-add t2 > (eca-control) WARNING: This operation requires that > chainsetup is ... disconnected. Temporarily disconnecting... > - [ Engine exiting ] [snip] Ecasound is not exactly intuitive... until you get used to it, then it's the most intuitive thing in the world :) What you are neglecting to do is to attach the inputs and outputs to the chains. The steps you need to follow are: 1. add inputs with ai-add 2. add outputs with ao-add 3. add chains with c-add 4. select the chains you want to attch to a particular input 5. attach the input with ai-attach 6. repeat for outputs A slightly quicker alternative is: 1. add chains with c-add 2. select the chains you want to attach to a particular input or output 3. use ai-add or ao-add - this will add the inputs/outputs to the setup *and* atttach them to the selected chains. One 'gotcha' to look out for is that when you call ai-attach or ao-attach it *detaches* that in/out from any chains it is currently attached to and connects it to only those chains currently selected. >From the output you posted, it looked like you were trying to add a chain while the setup was running. So ecasound disconnected the setup, added the chain, and then tried to reconnect the setup but couldn't because the new chain had no attached inputs/outputs. If you stopped the setup running, disconnected it, then added the chains and attached the ins/outs and reconnected the chain setup, all should be well. Good luck :) Stuart ---------------------------------------------- stuart.allie -AT- g[oogle]mail.com http://allie.opensrc.org ---------------------------------------------- From brianwredfern at gmail.com Tue May 23 00:43:47 2006 From: brianwredfern at gmail.com (Brian Redfern) Date: Tue May 23 00:43:55 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Re: DnB/Jungle tunes (Erik de Castro Lopo) Message-ID: <392cbd2c0605222143p3d9ddbe9o7dd48cc0fad928c5@mail.gmail.com> Some of these are techno, some dnb, but I put up all my csd files here: http://redfern.freezope.org/music I'll be working on more, I don't think I used the beat-chopping on any of these, so I'll try to get another example up with beat chopping. On 5/22/06, linux-audio-user-request@music.columbia.edu wrote: > Send linux-audio-user mailing list submissions to > linux-audio-user@music.columbia.edu > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://music.columbia.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-audio-user > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > linux-audio-user-request@music.columbia.edu > > You can reach the person managing the list at > linux-audio-user-owner@music.columbia.edu > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of linux-audio-user digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Re: DnB/Jungle tunes (Erik de Castro Lopo) > 2. Re: [Music] First track ? prog rock instrumental (lanas) > 3. Re: [Music] First track ? prog rock instrumental (Mark Knecht) > 4. Re: Getting some hardware... (Carlo Capocasa) > 5. Re: Re: Getting some hardware... (Patrick Shirkey) > 6. Re: Getting some hardware... (Carlo Capocasa) > 7. Re: Re: Getting some hardware... (c) > 8. ecasound interactive mode (Paul Coccoli) > 9. Re: Re: Getting some hardware... (Lee Revell) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 10:17:06 +1000 > From: Erik de Castro Lopo > Subject: Re: [linux-audio-user] Re: DnB/Jungle tunes > To: linux-audio-user@music.columbia.edu > Message-ID: <20060523101706.f161e6e3.mle+la@mega-nerd.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII > > Brian Redfern wrote: > > > I did some dnb with csound, have to re-work it and post to the list, > > csound has a "beatchopping" algorithmn since 4.23 that's really cool. > > Care to release the csound ORC and SCO files? > > I've been wanting to mess with csound for ages, but getting a handle > on it is a rather daunting task. > > Erik > -- > +-----------------------------------------------------------+ > Erik de Castro Lopo > +-----------------------------------------------------------+ > "I believe C++ instills fear in programmers, fear that the > interaction of some details causes unpredictable results. Its > unmanageable complexity has spawned more fear-preventing tools > than any other language, but the solution _should_ have been > to create and use a language that does not overload the > whole goddamn human brain with irrelevant details." > -- Erik Naggum > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 20:16:58 -0400 > From: lanas > Subject: Re: [linux-audio-user] [Music] First track ? prog rock > instrumental > To: linux-audio-user@music.columbia.edu > Message-ID: <20060522201658.3ef1ae6c@mistral.stie> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > On Mon, 22 May 2006 18:25:39 +0100 > Q wrote: > > Hi ! > > > > It's OK, but for my own tastes, it revolves a bit too much around > > > the same. Though I almost heard some Mellotron in there a bit > > > after the electric guitar kicks in ;-) And of course, if there was > > > a voice somewhere in there that'd be great. > > > Fair point, I suppose it is a bit monotonous ??" the same chord > > progression all the way through. I think I read an interview with the > > Floyd somewhere where they said they'd a bad habit of dragging one > > chord progression out for as long as they could, so maybe I've been > > listening to them too much and picked up their bad habits! I suppose > > I could drag it out to ten minutes if I really tried ;-) > > My impression is that this style (i.e. repeating the same and building > on it) is hard to get accross if there's not something quite > grasping getting the listener. Could be the mood, could be the music > hooks, the tension, etc... So I find it's a hard style to do. But > some do it. PF was one. Tangerine Dream were another. Or take > Ravel's 'Bolero'. I was listening to Asturias' 'Brillant Streams' > yesterday which is also in the same vein. But it's hard to get and > move the proper mood and getting and developing the tension all along > the way when things are basically repeating, I find. But that's also > just me. I'll try it when I'll get my setup made ! > > Cheers, > > Al > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 17:35:38 -0700 > From: "Mark Knecht" > Subject: Re: [linux-audio-user] [Music] First track ? prog rock > instrumental > To: "A list for linux audio users" > > Message-ID: > <5bdc1c8b0605221735h5a85f102qdfa5f09ca01d6c07@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed > > On 5/22/06, Q wrote: > > > > Hi Mark > > > > Thanks for listening and for commenting. I'll have to read your post > > again in the morning ? I'm too tired to get my head round it at the moment. > > > > My initial reaction though is Eeek! ? I'm a bit worried now because I > > had considered it more or less finished and you suggest that it could do > > with more development! > > Like I said, please don't over react to what I'm saying. Had you not > specifically suggested 'prog rock' in your initial post I probaby > wouldn't have said anything. However my normal playlist in Aqualung is > over 50 hours of prog rock. It's pretty much all I listen to. From > that standpoint, while I may or may not be qualified musically, at > least I feel in touch with the genre. > > > > > BTW, I've never heard of Glass Hammer before so I shall have to look > > them up. > > Interesting band. You might like them. I do. I buy my CD's directly > from the band actually. Check out their website for more info: > > http://www.glasshammer.com/ > > Cheers, > Mark > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 02:36:06 +0200 > From: Carlo Capocasa > Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Getting some hardware... > To: linux-audio-user@music.columbia.edu > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > > > Yeah it's hard to really head bang when you have to worry about your > > geek bandmates laptop ;) > > Get a geek band. > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 07:51:03 +0700 > From: Patrick Shirkey > Subject: Re: [linux-audio-user] Re: Getting some hardware... > To: A list for linux audio users > Message-ID: <44725C77.3030801@boosthardware.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > Carlo Capocasa wrote: > > > >> Yeah it's hard to really head bang when you have to worry about your > >> geek bandmates laptop ;) > > > > Get a geek band. > > > > > > > Still the same prob. Better to become a DJ. > > :-P > > -- > Patrick Shirkey - Boost Hardware Ltd. > Http://www.boosthardware.com > Http://lau.linuxaudio.org - The Linux Audio Users guide > ======================================== > > "Anything your mind can see you can manifest physically, then it will > become reality" - Macka B > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 03:02:36 +0200 > From: Carlo Capocasa > Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Getting some hardware... > To: linux-audio-user@music.columbia.edu > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > If there's one thing I'm going to do before I die it's become the > coolest, most famous musician I possibly can and lug around a laptop > with a really big penguin on it. > > Geeks get some. > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 7 > Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 01:31:53 +0000 > From: c <_@whats-your.name> > Subject: Re: [linux-audio-user] Re: Getting some hardware... > To: linux-audio-user@music.columbia.edu > Message-ID: <20060523013153.GE21295@replic.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > On Tue May 23, 2006 at 03:02:36AM +0200, Carlo Capocasa wrote: > > If there's one thing I'm going to do before I die it's become the coolest, most famous musician I possibly can and lug around a laptop with a > > really big penguin on it. > > is anyone giving away these stickers for free? the best i could find was a big pile of Gay-Flag^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^HApple stickers from my IIGS/... > > > > > > Geeks get some. > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 8 > Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 22:34:52 -0400 > From: "Paul Coccoli" > Subject: [linux-audio-user] ecasound interactive mode > To: "A list for linux audio users" > > Message-ID: > <8d27a0610605221934p4ee11852i90c4c64ee646a86a@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > How do you add a second chain in ecasound in interactive mode? I can > create one chain that reads a file for input and outputs to jack, but > if I try to add another chain I get the following: > > ecasound ('h' for help)> c-add t2 > (eca-control) WARNING: This operation requires that chainsetup is > ... disconnected. Temporarily disconnecting... > - [ Engine exiting ] ----------------------------------------------------------- > (eca-control-objects) Disconnecting chainsetup: "command-line-setup". > - [ Chainsetup disconnected ] -------------------------------------------------- > (eca-control-objects) Added chains: t2. > (eca-chainsetup) Unable to connect: Chain "t2" is not valid. Following errors > ... were detected: > (eca-chainsetup) Chain "t2" is not connected to any input. All chains must have > ... exactly one valid input. (2.1-NO-CHAIN-INPUT) > (eca-chainsetup) Chain "t2" is not connected to any output. All chains > must have > ... exactly one valid output. (2.2-NO-CHAIN-OUTPUT) > ERROR: Can't reconnect chainsetup. > > Well, ok, so then I quit, restart with 1 chain again, THEN create new > input and output, and try to create a second chain: > > ecasound ('h' for help)> ai-add jack_auto > (eca-control-objects) Added audio input "jack_auto". > ecasound ('h' for help)> ao-add jack_auto > (eca-control-objects) Added audio output "jack_auto". > ecasound ('h' for help)> c-add t2 > (eca-control-objects) Added chains: t2. > ecasound ('h' for help)> c-list > t1,t2 > ecasound ('h' for help)> start > (eca-chainsetup) Unable to connect: Chain "t2" is not valid. Following errors > ... were detected: > (eca-chainsetup) Chain "t2" is not connected to any input. All chains must have > ... exactly one valid input. (2.1-NO-CHAIN-INPUT) > (eca-chainsetup) Chain "t2" is not connected to any output. All chains > must have > ... exactly one valid output. (2.2-NO-CHAIN-OUTPUT) > (eca-chainsetup) WARNING: Input "track1.wav" is not connected to any chain. > ... (3.1-DISCON-INPUT) > (eca-chainsetup) WARNING: Output "jack_auto" is not connected to any chain. > ... (3.2-DISCON-OUTPUT) > ERROR: Selected chainsetup cannot be connected. Can't perform requested action. > > Hmm. If a chain MUST have one valid input and output, but inputs and > outputs need to be connected to a chain, THEN ITS A PARADOX AND MY > HEAD EXPLODES! > > Seriously, I'm tryin the most basic thing in the world and I can't do > it. Maybe it's just too late at night... > > paul > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 9 > Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 23:14:05 -0400 > From: Lee Revell > Subject: Re: [linux-audio-user] Re: Getting some hardware... > To: A list for linux audio users > Message-ID: <1148354046.12366.1.camel@mindpipe> > Content-Type: text/plain > > On Tue, 2006-05-23 at 02:36 +0200, Carlo Capocasa wrote: > > > Yeah it's hard to really head bang when you have to worry about your > > > geek bandmates laptop ;) > > > > Get a geek band. > > > > Hey, I'm a geek, and I spill beer on things and break stuff all the > time! > > Lee > > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > linux-audio-user mailing list > linux-audio-user@music.columbia.edu > http://music.columbia.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-audio-user > > > End of linux-audio-user Digest, Vol 32, Issue 80 > ************************************************ > From loki.davison at gmail.com Tue May 23 02:11:25 2006 From: loki.davison at gmail.com (Loki Davison) Date: Tue May 23 02:11:33 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: DnB/Jungle tunes In-Reply-To: <20060523000826.GD22210@storm.local.network> References: <447169FE.5040606@boosthardware.com> <20060523000826.GD22210@storm.local.network> Message-ID: On 5/23/06, Forest Bond wrote: > > I'm starting to work on some dnb at the moment. Nothing to show of it > > really yet apart from some very work in progress stuff. > > http://loki.theworldsbestdomain.com/dnbchill.ogg > > Using om, smack and fluid. > > > > Loki > > Out of curiousity, this isn't DJ Loki from NYC (the Konkrete Jungle guy)? > > -Forest Nope, i'm from melbourne, Australia. When i dj i use the name skoda. ;) I don't dj much anymore though, mostly try and write reggae and try and learn how to play guitar and bass. Just bought the most gorgeous bass week before last.... so lovely.... ;) From loki.davison at gmail.com Tue May 23 03:05:19 2006 From: loki.davison at gmail.com (Loki Davison) Date: Tue May 23 03:06:02 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Getting some hardware... In-Reply-To: References: <20060522132304.004ca0ea@mistral.stie> Message-ID: > > And then there's the playback using good speakers. > > Studio monitors. Pay attention to 'linear frequency response' and get > what sounds good. I tested and found Behringer's to be sub-standard, > aside of that I can't say much. For headphones, I have the Sennheiser HD > 265 and it's gorgeous, a joy to listen, AND linear. cost me 200 big ones. > Ultrasone are lovely headphones.... i've got the 650's and very happy with them. Are a touch expensive and you do end up with a neck like a formula one driver though. Loki From seppstefano at yahoo.com Tue May 23 03:28:32 2006 From: seppstefano at yahoo.com (Stefano Papini) Date: Tue May 23 03:28:38 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [OT]: any relax music links? In-Reply-To: <20060522225625.0d2f12f4@office> Message-ID: <20060523072832.59937.qmail@web61319.mail.yahoo.com> Thank you Folderol, Kind regards, Stefano --- Folderol wrote: > On Mon, 22 May 2006 01:09:41 -0700 (PDT) > Stefano Papini wrote: > > > Hi all, > > sorry for being slightly OT. Would you recommend > me > > some links in order to make my pregnant wife > listen to > > some relax music? > > > > Many thanks for your help, > > > > Stefano > > Hmmm, well I don't know if my stuff is any good. > Maybe you'd like to > try it. > > http://www.folderol.ukfsn.org > > To anyone else who's interested There are three new > tracks on there. > > Hear The News, Antartica & The Story Continues. > > Actually only Antartica is really new, the others > are recycled :) > > -- > F > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From fbar at footils.org Tue May 23 03:33:34 2006 From: fbar at footils.org (Frank Barknecht) Date: Tue May 23 03:33:39 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Air/fan noise simulation In-Reply-To: <44723543.4020308@boosthardware.com> References: <44722D56.3050309@boosthardware.com> <20060522230111.7823f375@office> <44723543.4020308@boosthardware.com> Message-ID: <20060523073334.GY5869@fliwatut.scifi> Hallo, Patrick Shirkey hat gesagt: // Patrick Shirkey wrote: > Unfortunately for me I cannot use Zyndubsfxaddd. > > Maybe there's another option? There's always Pd. There are a lot of sound design examples for various noises including wind, helicopters and machine guns in Obiwannabe's wonderful sound design tuts: http://obiwannabe.co.uk/padawan12/onlinetutorials/html/tutorials_main.html Ciao -- Frank Barknecht _ ______footils.org_ __goto10.org__ From tito at rumford.de Wed May 24 04:28:02 2006 From: tito at rumford.de (Wolfgang Woehl) Date: Tue May 23 04:33:21 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Low latency with 2.6.16.16 vanilla Message-ID: <200605241028.02843.tito@rumford.de> Hi, I want to try what Lee mentioned a couple of times recently: Low latency audio performance with 2.6 mainline -- no mingo-patch, no rt-lsm (athlon xp 2600+, asus a7v8x-x, hdsp. On a 2.4.26 with lck patches this system has good lowlat performance, solid jackd with -p 64 -n 2, so the hardware should be ok. Ah well, looong dropouts on deep reiserfs walks that never show up in jackd's messages but that's hopefully another story). Got 2.6.16.16 from kernel.org. If I understood Lee right I could expect a jackd with -p 64 -n 2 to work just fine but it doesn't. Loads of xruns. What am I missing? What can I do to find out? With make oldconfig I come across some questions I'm unsure about. Are these answers right? Thanks in advance. # IO Schedulers # CONFIG_IOSCHED_NOOP=y CONFIG_IOSCHED_AS=y CONFIG_IOSCHED_DEADLINE=y CONFIG_IOSCHED_CFQ=y CONFIG_DEFAULT_AS=y # CONFIG_DEFAULT_DEADLINE is not set # CONFIG_DEFAULT_CFQ is not set # CONFIG_DEFAULT_NOOP is not set CONFIG_DEFAULT_IOSCHED="anticipatory" --- # Processor type and features # # CONFIG_HPET_TIMER is not set # CONFIG_SMP is not set # CONFIG_PREEMPT_NONE is not set # CONFIG_PREEMPT_VOLUNTARY is not set CONFIG_PREEMPT=y CONFIG_PREEMPT_BKL=y --- # Firmware Drivers # # CONFIG_HZ_100 is not set # CONFIG_HZ_250 is not set CONFIG_HZ_1000=y CONFIG_HZ=1000 --- CONFIG_SND_RTCTIMER=m CONFIG_SND_SEQ_RTCTIMER_DEFAULT=y -- Wolfgang From hitmuri at no-log.org Tue May 23 04:48:41 2006 From: hitmuri at no-log.org (Hitmuri) Date: Tue May 23 04:46:14 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] DnB/Jungle tunes In-Reply-To: <447169FE.5040606@boosthardware.com> References: <447169FE.5040606@boosthardware.com> Message-ID: <4472CC69.5070900@no-log.org> Patrick Shirkey a ?crit : > Hi, > > Is anyone round here making DnB/Jungle? I have an opportunity to > promote this style with a fairly well known DJ/Producer. He is also > interested in finding new acts to release on his label. > > If not is anyone here interested in collaborating with me on some new > tunes. I have a few that could be made better with a second or third > influence. > > The event is not until August so that gives 3 months to get a few > tracks nailed to the wall. > > Cheers. > Hi , I have some dnb tracks, actually these are extracts from improvisations made with freewheeling, specimen, jack-rack and a midi drumkit. you can listen to them at : http://www.musique-libre.org//static.php?op=musiqueIndex.php&group=Hitmuri&npds=-1 I'm working on new ones ( more structured, but also live-recorded ) but i won't have much time until the end of June. I'll repost when they're done. Flo From clemens at ladisch.de Tue May 23 04:49:58 2006 From: clemens at ladisch.de (Clemens Ladisch) Date: Tue May 23 04:50:15 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Ubuntu, ALSA, and the Roland UA-100 In-Reply-To: <052220061946.19453.4472152F000C3B8C00004BFD22092246279D0A97019B0A039C@comcast.net> References: <052220061946.19453.4472152F000C3B8C00004BFD22092246279D0A97019B0A039C@comcast.net> Message-ID: <20060523084958.GA6161@turing.informatik.uni-halle.de> smetoyer@comcast.net wrote: > Hey everyone... I'm a bit of a linux newb, so please bear with me. > I'm using Ubuntu and attempting to get a Roland UA-100 setup with > ALSA. Which kernel version? ("uname -a") Which ALSA version? ("cat /proc/asound/version") > The driver appears to load ok, however aplay will hang when trying to > play any wave files (doesn't play any sound, has to be forcibly > ended). Is there an error message after ten seconds? > Attempting to test in the Multimedia Systems Selector results > in the 'Failed to construct test pipeline for Alsa' message. qjackctl > actually starts Jack ok, but pressing the play button on the transport > will not start it (it immediately flashes back to stopped)... Is there any error message in the system log? Regards, Clemens From t_w_ at freenet.de Tue May 23 05:34:27 2006 From: t_w_ at freenet.de (Thorsten Wilms) Date: Tue May 23 05:34:36 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Call for LV2 logo designs In-Reply-To: <20060522110205.GA7328@charly.SWORD> References: <20060522110205.GA7328@charly.SWORD> Message-ID: <20060523093427.GB7361@charly.SWORD> Hi! My own work for a LV2 logo went through a few iterations with feedback on the LAD-list and the #lad channel before the idea for a competition / call for designs had been mentioned at all. So here's the newest set of variations: http://affenbande.org/~thorwil/wordpress/2006/05/23/lv2-6/ I would like comments regarding likes and dislikes, suggestions for tweaks and things to try. For anyone wanting to participate, but lacking own webspace, there's free image hosting like xs.to. Or send stuff my way, I will put it on my blog. Regards, Thorsten Wilms From qb at f2s.com Tue May 23 06:06:34 2006 From: qb at f2s.com (qb@f2s.com) Date: Tue May 23 06:06:42 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [Music] First track =?iso-8859-1?b?lg==?= prog rock instrumental In-Reply-To: <5bdc1c8b0605221735h5a85f102qdfa5f09ca01d6c07@mail.gmail.com> References: <4470DCF0.6090304@f2s.com> <5bdc1c8b0605221428o4564f47eg12203843be333a3a@mail.gmail.com> <44722562.8050002@f2s.com> <5bdc1c8b0605221735h5a85f102qdfa5f09ca01d6c07@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1148378794.4472deaa79b1b@webmail.freedom2surf.net> Quoting Mark Knecht : > Clearly it's worth working on further IMHO. > >I'll be interested in hearing it again as you get it more focused and together. Something has just struck me: the parenthetical "a fragment of a track" in the title isn't intended to refer to the piece of music (other than a tenuous allusion to the fact the music fades in rather than having a definite start, as if it were perhaps part of something bigger). That is, it isn't supposed to suggest "work in progress" or "unfinished", but refers to the Laetoli footprints themselves. Mmm, perhaps it's a little confusing. That said, I am beginning to think that it is indeed in need of further development. Must go, I'm supposed to be working! Q From paulgfx at yahoo.com Tue May 23 09:47:09 2006 From: paulgfx at yahoo.com (Paul) Date: Tue May 23 09:47:16 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] How can I time-stretch the sound like this ? (with SND & CLM) Message-ID: <20060523134709.49223.qmail@web52203.mail.yahoo.com> Hi. I found out a very interesting page and a webcast about the 9'th symphony of Beethoven stretched to 24 hours here: http://www.park.nl/park_cms/public/index.php?thisarticle=118 And on this page ( http://www.notam02.no/9/tech.htm ) I found that for this was used CLM and SND. How can I do the same? It's possible to do this in batch mode? Thanks. Paul. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From aaron at akjmusic.com Tue May 23 06:25:07 2006 From: aaron at akjmusic.com (Aaron Krister Johnson) Date: Tue May 23 11:25:38 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Low latency with 2.6.16.16 vanilla In-Reply-To: <200605241028.02843.tito@rumford.de> References: <200605241028.02843.tito@rumford.de> Message-ID: <200605231025.07838.aaron@akjmusic.com> On Wednesday 24 May 2006 8:28 am, Wolfgang Woehl wrote: > Got 2.6.16.16 from kernel.org. If I understood Lee right I could expect a > jackd with -p 64 -n 2 to work just fine but it doesn't. Loads of xruns. > What am I missing? What can I do to find out? Hi Wolfgang, I was banging my head against the wall with the same issue, but after a *long* Google search, I found that disabling acpi did the trick for me. For a tutorial I wrote on the subject, go to http://www.akjmusic.com/linuxaudio.html Basically, like it says, the most critical thing was shutting off acpi with an append "acpi=off" in the lilo.conf file, and rerunning lilo and rebooting.... BTW, I tend to still get xruns with '-p 64 -n 2'. I do sr=44100, -p 128 -n 2, and never have a problem for hours on end. -Aaron. From capocasa at gmx.net Tue May 23 12:07:36 2006 From: capocasa at gmx.net (Carlo Capocasa) Date: Tue May 23 12:08:40 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Transparentize ZynAddSubFX Message-ID: User request here! I absolutely LOVE ZynAddSubFX and I haven't found any oscillators, filters, harmonics generators etc. that sound nearly as good. The sounds are simply so natural. Now what I'd like to do is hook up all these things in a modular way. You're looking for a new project to tie your name infinitely to the world audio and enjoy all the privileges of the natural way of the coder. You also have a good ear for fineness. Great! You code. I'll test. The result is a wonderful set of LV2 (new ladspa) plugins that are all the building blocks ZynAddSubFX is made of. They are called ZynAddSubFX LowPass2 Filter etc. to honor the genius of its author. Carlo From rlrevell at joe-job.com Tue May 23 13:13:07 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Tue May 23 13:13:17 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Low latency with 2.6.16.16 vanilla In-Reply-To: <200605241028.02843.tito@rumford.de> References: <200605241028.02843.tito@rumford.de> Message-ID: <1148404388.12529.83.camel@mindpipe> On Wed, 2006-05-24 at 10:28 +0200, Wolfgang Woehl wrote: > Hi, I want to try what Lee mentioned a couple of times recently: Low latency > audio performance with 2.6 mainline -- no mingo-patch, no rt-lsm (athlon xp > 2600+, asus a7v8x-x, hdsp. On a 2.4.26 with lck patches this system has good > lowlat performance, solid jackd with -p 64 -n 2, so the hardware should be > ok. Ah well, looong dropouts on deep reiserfs walks that never show up in > jackd's messages but that's hopefully another story). > > Got 2.6.16.16 from kernel.org. If I understood Lee right I could expect a > jackd with -p 64 -n 2 to work just fine but it doesn't. Loads of xruns. What > am I missing? What can I do to find out? > -p 64 -n 2 is pushing the envelope of what the mainline kernel can do. 128 or 256 should be solid. It will depend on the hardware and driver set. Reiserfs is a poor choice of filesystem for low latency. Also make sure you are in realtime mode - depending on the distro, the realtime LSM may still be required. I guess you are using the PAM method to enable non-root realtime? Lee From bumpycarrot at gmail.com Tue May 23 16:09:46 2006 From: bumpycarrot at gmail.com (Joseph Jones) Date: Tue May 23 16:09:54 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Problem with seq24: Where's the midi ports? Message-ID: So I'm looking into using seq24 as my midi sequencer (Rosegarden is slow as all hell, as well as bloated for my tastes, and MusE seems to have problems on my system). I'm fairly sure that I made some use of it when I first installed it, however, I've tried using it with qsynth over the last few days and I just can't seem to be able to connect the two at all. I'm rather concerned that seq24 doesn't seem to have any ports/clients listed in qjackctl's midi section. I can connect seq24 to busses and channels from inside seq24, but that doesn't seem to have any effect. The problem doesn't seem to lie with qsynth as I've been able to connect a software keyboard to it no problem. Has anyone else experienced this at all and can offer some advice on the subject? Cheers! -- Joe Jones -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- Version: 3.1 GIT/MU d-- s+:-- a-- C++ UL+ L++ E---- W++ w M t(++) 5++ tv D++ e+ h-- ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------ From sunnan at handgranat.org Tue May 23 16:21:33 2006 From: sunnan at handgranat.org (sunnan@handgranat.org) Date: Tue May 23 16:21:55 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Problem with seq24: Where's the midi ports? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1901.85.226.151.174.1148415693.squirrel@handgranat.org> > I'm fairly sure that I made some use of it when I first installed it, > however, I've tried using it with qsynth over the last few days and I > just can't seem to be able to connect the two at all. I'm rather > concerned that seq24 doesn't seem to have any ports/clients listed in > qjackctl's midi section. Depending on what version you're using of seq24; older versions tried to connect without using aconnect/qjackctl (i.e. it finds qsynth and others automatically), but IIRC recent versions can choose between either behaviour. I know I have it set up to show up in qjackctl at the moment. Look in the preferences or the readme (a file named SEQ24). From petter.sundlof at findus.dhs.org Tue May 23 16:52:54 2006 From: petter.sundlof at findus.dhs.org (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Petter_Sundl=F6f?=) Date: Tue May 23 16:53:05 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Problem with seq24: Where's the midi ports? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <44737626.5080701@findus.dhs.org> If you want it to revert to the old behaviour (see client names inside pattern windows -- much less of a hassle IMO), change [manual-alsa-ports] to say 0 in ~/.seq24rc, or if it was 1 -- I'm not sure. There's a bug with the rc file versus the cli flag. Joseph Jones wrote: > So I'm looking into using seq24 as my midi sequencer (Rosegarden is > slow as all hell, as well as bloated for my tastes, and MusE seems to > have problems on my system). > > I'm fairly sure that I made some use of it when I first installed it, > however, I've tried using it with qsynth over the last few days and I > just can't seem to be able to connect the two at all. I'm rather > concerned that seq24 doesn't seem to have any ports/clients listed in > qjackctl's midi section. > > I can connect seq24 to busses and channels from inside seq24, but that > doesn't seem to have any effect. The problem doesn't seem to lie with > qsynth as I've been able to connect a software keyboard to it no > problem. > > Has anyone else experienced this at all and can offer some advice on > the subject? > > Cheers! From job17and9 at sbcglobal.net Tue May 23 17:46:08 2006 From: job17and9 at sbcglobal.net (Brian Dunn) Date: Tue May 23 17:46:17 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Problem with seq24: Where's the midi ports? In-Reply-To: <1901.85.226.151.174.1148415693.squirrel@handgranat.org> References: <1901.85.226.151.174.1148415693.squirrel@handgranat.org> Message-ID: <447382A0.1070306@sbcglobal.net> sunnan@handgranat.org wrote: >>I'm fairly sure that I made some use of it when I first installed it, >>however, I've tried using it with qsynth over the last few days and I >>just can't seem to be able to connect the two at all. I'm rather >>concerned that seq24 doesn't seem to have any ports/clients listed in >>qjackctl's midi section. >> >> > >Depending on what version you're using of seq24; older versions tried to >connect without using aconnect/qjackctl (i.e. it finds qsynth and others >automatically), but IIRC recent versions can choose between either >behaviour. I know I have it set up to show up in qjackctl at the moment. > >Look in the preferences or the readme (a file named SEQ24). > > > > Wow I was just contemplating how much i would have to learn if i wanted to write a patch that would add alsa-midi ports behavior to seq24. looks like i should keep up with the change logs. thanks for the tip. Patching the midi signals to their apropriate posts is the ideal behavior for me as the synths never seem to have the same port number twice, and i was often in the position of saying to a prospective listener "just wait a sec... it's really cool, promise..." while fiddling with those pop up port lists to reconfigure the outputs every time, trying to remember what zyn channel number i put that sound on. Now it's just drag one line across the screen, and wham. sound. now if seq24 could just lash, it and zyn would be the ultimate time sucking beat looping dohicky. is any one working on adding lash support to seq24? brian From job17and9 at sbcglobal.net Tue May 23 17:50:34 2006 From: job17and9 at sbcglobal.net (Brian Dunn) Date: Tue May 23 17:50:48 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Problem with seq24: Where's the midi ports? In-Reply-To: <447382A0.1070306@sbcglobal.net> References: <1901.85.226.151.174.1148415693.squirrel@handgranat.org> <447382A0.1070306@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <447383AA.7000700@sbcglobal.net> > is any one working on adding lash support to seq24? > > brian > * 2006-3-28 * Seq24-0.8.4 CPU hog bug fix. Added LASH Support. see what i mean about needing to read the change log? :) brian From gimpel at sonnenkinder.org Tue May 23 17:52:17 2006 From: gimpel at sonnenkinder.org (Thomas Kuther) Date: Tue May 23 17:52:40 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Problem with seq24: Where's the midi ports? In-Reply-To: <447382A0.1070306@sbcglobal.net> References: <1901.85.226.151.174.1148415693.squirrel@handgranat.org> <447382A0.1070306@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <20060523235217.6d409160@SiRiUS.home> On Tue, 23 May 2006 16:46:08 -0500 Brian Dunn wrote: > Wow I was just contemplating how much i would have to learn if i > wanted to write a patch that would add alsa-midi ports behavior to > seq24. looks like i should keep up with the change logs. thanks for > the tip. Patching the midi signals to their apropriate posts is the > ideal behavior for me as the synths never seem to have the same port > number twice, and i was often in the position of saying to a > prospective listener "just wait a sec... it's really cool, > promise..." while fiddling with those pop up port lists to > reconfigure the outputs every time, trying to remember what zyn > channel number i put that sound on. Now it's just drag one line > across the screen, and wham. sound. now if seq24 could just lash, it > and zyn would be the ultimate time sucking beat looping dohicky. > is any one working on adding lash support to seq24? > > brian > If i see that right, seq24 0.8.6 has --enable-lash switch. Cheers, Tom From smetoyer at comcast.net Tue May 23 18:28:55 2006 From: smetoyer at comcast.net (Scott Metoyer) Date: Tue May 23 18:29:11 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Ubuntu, ALSA, and the Roland UA-100 In-Reply-To: <20060523084958.GA6161@turing.informatik.uni-halle.de> Message-ID: <20060523222905.84B7A185DF4D@music.columbia.edu> >> smetoyer@comcast.net wrote: >> Hey everyone... I'm a bit of a linux newb, so please bear with me. >> I'm using Ubuntu and attempting to get a Roland UA-100 setup with >> ALSA. > Which kernel version? ("uname -a") > Which ALSA version? ("cat /proc/asound/version") uname -a Linux dolores 2.6.12-10-386 #1 Fri Apr 28 13:13:44 UTC 2006 i686 GNU/Linux cat /proc/asound/version Advanced Linux Sound Architecture Driver Version 1.0.9 (Sun May 29 07:31:02 2005 UTC). >> The driver appears to load ok, however aplay will hang when trying to >> play any wave files (doesn't play any sound, has to be forcibly >> ended). > Is there an error message after ten seconds? Unfortunately, no error message. I let aplay sit for over a minute before killing it. >> Attempting to test in the Multimedia Systems Selector results >> in the 'Failed to construct test pipeline for Alsa' message. qjackctl >> actually starts Jack ok, but pressing the play button on the transport >> will not start it (it immediately flashes back to stopped)... > Is there any error message in the system log? I didn't see any errors in the system log... Is there something in particular I should be looking for in there? Thanks for taking the time to look at this! --sm From loki.davison at gmail.com Tue May 23 19:17:41 2006 From: loki.davison at gmail.com (Loki Davison) Date: Tue May 23 19:17:49 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Low latency with 2.6.16.16 vanilla In-Reply-To: <1148404388.12529.83.camel@mindpipe> References: <200605241028.02843.tito@rumford.de> <1148404388.12529.83.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: On 5/24/06, Lee Revell wrote: > On Wed, 2006-05-24 at 10:28 +0200, Wolfgang Woehl wrote: > > Hi, I want to try what Lee mentioned a couple of times recently: Low > latency > > audio performance with 2.6 mainline -- no mingo-patch, no rt-lsm (athlon > xp > > 2600+, asus a7v8x-x, hdsp. On a 2.4.26 with lck patches this system has > good > > lowlat performance, solid jackd with -p 64 -n 2, so the hardware should be > > ok. Ah well, looong dropouts on deep reiserfs walks that never show up in > > jackd's messages but that's hopefully another story). > > > > Got 2.6.16.16 from kernel.org. If I understood Lee right I could expect a > > jackd with -p 64 -n 2 to work just fine but it doesn't. Loads of xruns. > What > > am I missing? What can I do to find out? > > > > -p 64 -n 2 is pushing the envelope of what the mainline kernel can do. > 128 or 256 should be solid. It will depend on the hardware and driver > set. > > Reiserfs is a poor choice of filesystem for low latency. > > Also make sure you are in realtime mode - depending on the distro, the > realtime LSM may still be required. I guess you are using the PAM > method to enable non-root realtime? > > Lee ext3 the best choice? Is there some easy way to convert an reiserfs partition to an ext3 one? All my partitions, including my root partition are reiserfs so i'm assuming that may be something to do with my inability to record more than 2 tracks at a time in ardour with my amd64 3000+ system and sata drives. Loki From sub_acoustic at yahoo.co.nz Tue May 23 19:25:17 2006 From: sub_acoustic at yahoo.co.nz (Hamish Low) Date: Tue May 23 19:25:29 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re-compiling Demudi kernel help please: Digigram VXpocket2 Message-ID: <447399DD.3060200@yahoo.co.nz> Firstly thanks to Asbj?rn, Lee, Tim and others who have given me advice so far. I tried using Asbj?rn's vanilla kernel but it didn't work as our laptops are different, but your config settings were a good guide. I downloaded the source package for 2.6.16 I did make oldconfig, to use the config already working on my machine (just without the VXpocket support), I tried compiling the kernel as per the instructions on the Demudi page , and by referencing Asbj?rn's config settings Lee had written that CONFIG_ISAPNP must be enabled, but this wasn't an option that I could choose in menuconfig, there was just a hyphen beside this option, also this wasn't enabled in Asbj?rn's settings which reportedly works. but got this error message on reboot Kernel panic - not syncing: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(0,0) I assume this means I didn't have the exact settings configured for my laptop. So then I put the result of lspci -v into http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/ 0000:00:00.0 0600: 8086:3340 (rev 21) 0000:00:01.0 0604: 8086:3341 (rev 21) 0000:00:1d.0 0c03: 8086:24c2 (rev 03) 0000:00:1d.1 0c03: 8086:24c4 (rev 03) 0000:00:1d.2 0c03: 8086:24c7 (rev 03) 0000:00:1d.7 0c03: 8086:24cd (rev 03) 0000:00:1e.0 0604: 8086:2448 (rev 83) 0000:00:1f.0 0601: 8086:24cc (rev 03) 0000:00:1f.1 0101: 8086:24ca (rev 03) 0000:00:1f.5 0401: 8086:24c5 (rev 03) 0000:00:1f.6 0703: 8086:24c6 (rev 03) 0000:01:00.0 0300: 1002:4e50 0000:02:08.0 0200: 8086:1039 (rev 83) 0000:02:09.0 0280: 8086:4223 (rev 05) 0000:02:0a.0 0607: 1180:0475 (rev b8) 0000:02:0a.1 0c00: 1180:0551 and it requires the intel-agp driver, which reportedly works 80863340 Yes Intel Corporation 82855PM Processor to I/O Controller intel-agp in the Configuration Archive I couldn't find any kernel on any architecture where this can be enabled. Anyway then I tried to rebuild the package with initrd, as I got the impression from the Demudi page that though building a fatter kernel, at least my machine would reboot unfortunately this couldn't be built because yaird, or intramfs-tools or linux-intramafs-tool were not previously installed, and I don't seem to be able to install them, either with apt-get or synaptic, as some list is locked/unlocked so a few questions - can I salvage things at this point or do I have to start over from a fresh install? what did I do wrong and how can avoid similar problems happening again? am I going about this the right way, should i be using initrd? I hadn't got around to installing the VXpocket firmware - though I don't think this was the problem, when booting into the new kernel Alsa couldn't find the soundcard, though I assume it would be solved after the firmware was installed. As much as I enjoy re-compiling and re-installing over and over again, I rather be making some music - thanks in advance peace Hamish Send instant messages to your online friends http://au.messenger.yahoo.com From rlrevell at joe-job.com Tue May 23 19:33:19 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Tue May 23 19:33:30 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Low latency with 2.6.16.16 vanilla In-Reply-To: References: <200605241028.02843.tito@rumford.de> <1148404388.12529.83.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <1148427200.12529.190.camel@mindpipe> On Wed, 2006-05-24 at 09:17 +1000, Loki Davison wrote: > ext3 the best choice? Is there some easy way to convert an reiserfs > partition to an ext3 one? All my partitions, including my root > partition are reiserfs so i'm assuming that may be something to do > with my inability to record more than 2 tracks at a time in ardour > with my amd64 3000+ system and sata drives. > You'd have to copy off all the data, mkfs again, and copy it back. Do you have CONFIG_PREEMPT_BKL=y in the mainline kernel config? ReiserFS 3.x uses it heavily. Also, I never claimed that mainline was OK on all hardware - it does work for me and several others I have talked to. It will heavily depend on the driver set. Did you do: echo 64 > /sys/block/hd*/queue/max_sectors_kb like I described on the ML and my LAC2006 paper? You could also use Ingo's latency tracer patch for the mainline kernel o debug it. Lee From dlphillips at woh.rr.com Tue May 23 20:00:03 2006 From: dlphillips at woh.rr.com (Dave Phillips) Date: Tue May 23 19:54:31 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Problem with seq24: Where's the midi ports? In-Reply-To: <20060523235217.6d409160@SiRiUS.home> References: <1901.85.226.151.174.1148415693.squirrel@handgranat.org> <447382A0.1070306@sbcglobal.net> <20060523235217.6d409160@SiRiUS.home> Message-ID: <4473A203.4090903@woh.rr.com> Thomas Kuther wrote: >If i see that right, seq24 0.8.6 has --enable-lash switch. > > Indeed it does. And it works perfectly with LASH 0.5.1. :) Best, dp From tito at rumford.de Wed May 24 19:10:47 2006 From: tito at rumford.de (Wolfgang Woehl) Date: Tue May 23 19:55:41 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Low latency with 2.6.16.16 vanilla In-Reply-To: <200605231025.07838.aaron@akjmusic.com> References: <200605241028.02843.tito@rumford.de> <200605231025.07838.aaron@akjmusic.com> Message-ID: <200605250110.47722.tito@rumford.de> Tuesday 23 May 2006 12:25, Aaron Krister Johnson: > On Wednesday 24 May 2006 8:28 am, Wolfgang Woehl wrote: > > Got 2.6.16.16 from kernel.org. If I understood Lee right I could expect a > > jackd with -p 64 -n 2 to work just fine but it doesn't. Loads of xruns. > > What am I missing? What can I do to find out? > > Hi Wolfgang, > > I was banging my head against the wall with the same issue, but after a > *long* Google search, I found that disabling acpi did the trick for me. Aaron thanks, I'll try that. You happen to know whether this is a motherboard issue or is kernel's acpi just not there yet? What a shame, it's such a good thing to save power :) -- Wolfgang From tito at rumford.de Wed May 24 19:55:38 2006 From: tito at rumford.de (Wolfgang Woehl) Date: Tue May 23 19:56:00 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Low latency with 2.6.16.16 vanilla In-Reply-To: <1148404388.12529.83.camel@mindpipe> References: <200605241028.02843.tito@rumford.de> <1148404388.12529.83.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <200605250155.38584.tito@rumford.de> Tuesday 23 May 2006 19:13, Lee Revell: > On Wed, 2006-05-24 at 10:28 +0200, Wolfgang Woehl wrote: > > Hi, I want to try what Lee mentioned a couple of times recently: Low > > latency audio performance with 2.6 mainline -- no mingo-patch, no rt-lsm > > (athlon xp 2600+, asus a7v8x-x, hdsp. On a 2.4.26 with lck patches this > > system has good lowlat performance, solid jackd with -p 64 -n 2, so the > > hardware should be ok. Ah well, looong dropouts on deep reiserfs walks > > that never show up in jackd's messages but that's hopefully another > > story). > > > > Got 2.6.16.16 from kernel.org. If I understood Lee right I could expect a > > jackd with -p 64 -n 2 to work just fine but it doesn't. Loads of xruns. > > What am I missing? What can I do to find out? > > -p 64 -n 2 is pushing the envelope of what the mainline kernel can do. > 128 or 256 should be solid. It will depend on the hardware and driver > set. Run as root I get no xruns with a jackd -R -d alsa -p 64 -n2 (2.6.16.16-vanilla), with one of my average sessions (~8 tracks with plugins) the average jackd message is like load = 17.4066 max usecs: 207.000, spare = 1244.000 (Only with a 70 tracks ardour session there are occasionals but the disk settings in ardour.rc seem to make a difference, they shouldn't I guess.) This is great. Vanilla for me from now on. > > Reiserfs is a poor choice of filesystem for low latency. > > Also make sure you are in realtime mode - depending on the distro, the > realtime LSM may still be required. I guess you are using the PAM > method to enable non-root realtime? I hadn't done my homework and wasn't aware of the privilege separation between root and users. So I had tried without any of the 3 possible mechanisms (pam, set_rlimits, rt-lsm?). And the way things are that doesn't work, ok. Thanks for the hint, Lee. Damn, it doesn't make sense to me. If I can configure the kernel to be or not to be preemptible then what is the separation good for? Isn't overhead because of preemption the only price tag? -- Wolfgang From markknecht at gmail.com Tue May 23 20:01:28 2006 From: markknecht at gmail.com (Mark Knecht) Date: Tue May 23 20:01:35 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Low latency with 2.6.16.16 vanilla In-Reply-To: <200605250110.47722.tito@rumford.de> References: <200605241028.02843.tito@rumford.de> <200605231025.07838.aaron@akjmusic.com> <200605250110.47722.tito@rumford.de> Message-ID: <5bdc1c8b0605231701t514c136cs7a6635923c56b2a4@mail.gmail.com> On 5/24/06, Wolfgang Woehl wrote: > Tuesday 23 May 2006 12:25, Aaron Krister Johnson: > > On Wednesday 24 May 2006 8:28 am, Wolfgang Woehl wrote: > > > Got 2.6.16.16 from kernel.org. If I understood Lee right I could expect a > > > jackd with -p 64 -n 2 to work just fine but it doesn't. Loads of xruns. > > > What am I missing? What can I do to find out? > > > > Hi Wolfgang, > > > > I was banging my head against the wall with the same issue, but after a > > *long* Google search, I found that disabling acpi did the trick for me. > > Aaron thanks, I'll try that. You happen to know whether this is a motherboard > issue or is kernel's acpi just not there yet? What a shame, it's such a good > thing to save power :) > > -- > Wolfgang > Hi, I'm just echoing Lee's inputs as someone who's been down the low latency path for a while now. I am currently using 2.6.16-gentoo-r2 with no low latency patches. It works fine on my AMD64 hardware, at least for low work load low latency needs. I run at 64/2 on my HDSP 9652 and get no xruns doing mostly mixing and a very little recording. However I do require realtime-lsm be enabled and loaded. Without realtime-lsm all kernels on my machine, with or without Ingo's patches, cause xruns. I have not tried the pam enabled realtime methods as there doesn't seem to be any value spending the time to do it just yet. Cheers, Mark From rlrevell at joe-job.com Tue May 23 20:01:32 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Tue May 23 20:02:01 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Low latency with 2.6.16.16 vanilla In-Reply-To: <200605250155.38584.tito@rumford.de> References: <200605241028.02843.tito@rumford.de> <1148404388.12529.83.camel@mindpipe> <200605250155.38584.tito@rumford.de> Message-ID: <1148428893.12529.197.camel@mindpipe> On Thu, 2006-05-25 at 01:55 +0200, Wolfgang Woehl wrote: > Damn, it doesn't make sense to me. If I can configure the kernel to be > or not to be preemptible then what is the separation good for? Isn't > overhead because of preemption the only price tag? You are confusing preemption (which improves the performance of realtime processes) with the permission to run realtime processes at all (addressed by the realtime LSM, pam, or set_rtlimits). It is also confusing that if JACK is told to start in realtime mode and it does not have permission, it falls back to non-realtime rather than failing to start. This is fixed in the latest development versions. Lee From rlrevell at joe-job.com Tue May 23 20:21:19 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Tue May 23 20:21:28 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Low latency with 2.6.16.16 vanilla In-Reply-To: <5bdc1c8b0605231701t514c136cs7a6635923c56b2a4@mail.gmail.com> References: <200605241028.02843.tito@rumford.de> <200605231025.07838.aaron@akjmusic.com> <200605250110.47722.tito@rumford.de> <5bdc1c8b0605231701t514c136cs7a6635923c56b2a4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1148430080.12529.202.camel@mindpipe> On Tue, 2006-05-23 at 17:01 -0700, Mark Knecht wrote: > I have not tried the pam enabled realtime methods as there doesn't > seem to be any value spending the time to do it just yet. On Gentoo it should be as simple as, emerge some-recent-glibc version, emerge PAM-0.80-or-later, add a few lines to /etc/security/limits.conf. Of course I have never tried Gentoo, for all i know this will recompile every app or blow up your computer or something. Lee From markknecht at gmail.com Tue May 23 20:35:41 2006 From: markknecht at gmail.com (Mark Knecht) Date: Tue May 23 20:35:49 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Low latency with 2.6.16.16 vanilla In-Reply-To: <1148430080.12529.202.camel@mindpipe> References: <200605241028.02843.tito@rumford.de> <200605231025.07838.aaron@akjmusic.com> <200605250110.47722.tito@rumford.de> <5bdc1c8b0605231701t514c136cs7a6635923c56b2a4@mail.gmail.com> <1148430080.12529.202.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <5bdc1c8b0605231735i5316f025mc08a388aef50983e@mail.gmail.com> On 5/23/06, Lee Revell wrote: > On Tue, 2006-05-23 at 17:01 -0700, Mark Knecht wrote: > > I have not tried the pam enabled realtime methods as there doesn't > > seem to be any value spending the time to do it just yet. > > On Gentoo it should be as simple as, emerge some-recent-glibc version, > emerge PAM-0.80-or-later, add a few lines to /etc/security/limits.conf. > > Of course I have never tried Gentoo, for all i know this will recompile > every app or blow up your computer or something. > > Lee > > We went through this before. I'm just being a grouse. PAM-0.99.3.0 is masked in portage right now meaning it hasn't been completely tested, etc. It's easy enough to unmask, but why should I bother? I feel no need to be an early adopter in this area. When the Gentoo devs unmask pam then I'll consider it, but why now? Will it give me any fewer xruns than I'm getting with realtime-lsm? It cannot. I'm at zero right now. * sys-libs/pam Available versions: 0.78-r3 ~0.78-r5 ~0.78-r6[2] [M]0.99.3.0 Installed: 0.78-r3 Homepage: http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/libs/pam/ Description: Pluggable Authentication Modules I expect that when someone produces a kernel that won't work with realtime-lsm then I'll have to jump. Cheers, Mark From drobilla at connect.carleton.ca Tue May 23 20:35:41 2006 From: drobilla at connect.carleton.ca (Dave Robillard) Date: Tue May 23 20:36:46 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Problem with seq24: Where's the midi ports? In-Reply-To: <20060523235217.6d409160@SiRiUS.home> References: <1901.85.226.151.174.1148415693.squirrel@handgranat.org> <447382A0.1070306@sbcglobal.net> <20060523235217.6d409160@SiRiUS.home> Message-ID: <1148430942.8903.1.camel@DaveLap> On Tue, 2006-05-23 at 23:52 +0200, Thomas Kuther wrote: > On Tue, 23 May 2006 16:46:08 -0500 > Brian Dunn wrote: > > > Wow I was just contemplating how much i would have to learn if i > > wanted to write a patch that would add alsa-midi ports behavior to > > seq24. looks like i should keep up with the change logs. thanks for > > the tip. Patching the midi signals to their apropriate posts is the > > ideal behavior for me as the synths never seem to have the same port > > number twice, and i was often in the position of saying to a > > prospective listener "just wait a sec... it's really cool, > > promise..." while fiddling with those pop up port lists to > > reconfigure the outputs every time, trying to remember what zyn > > channel number i put that sound on. Now it's just drag one line > > across the screen, and wham. sound. now if seq24 could just lash, it > > and zyn would be the ultimate time sucking beat looping dohicky. > > is any one working on adding lash support to seq24? > > > > brian > > > > If i see that right, seq24 0.8.6 has --enable-lash switch. The new ports thing is in part to allow Seq24 to restore properly as a LASH client. Let me know how it works. -DR- From rlrevell at joe-job.com Tue May 23 20:40:45 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Tue May 23 20:40:59 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Low latency with 2.6.16.16 vanilla In-Reply-To: <5bdc1c8b0605231735i5316f025mc08a388aef50983e@mail.gmail.com> References: <200605241028.02843.tito@rumford.de> <200605231025.07838.aaron@akjmusic.com> <200605250110.47722.tito@rumford.de> <5bdc1c8b0605231701t514c136cs7a6635923c56b2a4@mail.gmail.com> <1148430080.12529.202.camel@mindpipe> <5bdc1c8b0605231735i5316f025mc08a388aef50983e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1148431246.12529.206.camel@mindpipe> On Tue, 2006-05-23 at 17:35 -0700, Mark Knecht wrote: > We went through this before. I'm just being a grouse. PAM-0.99.3.0 is > masked in portage right now meaning it hasn't been completely tested, > etc. It's easy enough to unmask, but why should I bother? I feel no > need to be an early adopter in this area. When the Gentoo devs unmask > pam then I'll consider it, but why now? Will it give me any fewer > xruns than I'm getting with realtime-lsm? It cannot. I'm at zero right > now. OK, thanks for clarifying this. My understanding of masking, unmasking, etc in Gentoo was incomplete :-) From joelz at pobox.com Tue May 23 20:49:01 2006 From: joelz at pobox.com (Joel Roth) Date: Tue May 23 20:42:08 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Low latency with 2.6.16.16 vanilla In-Reply-To: <5bdc1c8b0605231701t514c136cs7a6635923c56b2a4@mail.gmail.com> References: <200605241028.02843.tito@rumford.de> <200605231025.07838.aaron@akjmusic.com> <200605250110.47722.tito@rumford.de> <5bdc1c8b0605231701t514c136cs7a6635923c56b2a4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20060524004900.GB5598@sprite> On Tue, May 23, 2006 at 05:01:28PM -0700, Mark Knecht wrote: > Hi, > I'm just echoing Lee's inputs as someone who's been down the low > latency path for a while now. I am currently using 2.6.16-gentoo-r2 > with no low latency patches. It works fine on my AMD64 hardware, at > least for low work load low latency needs. I run at 64/2 on my HDSP > 9652 and get no xruns doing mostly mixing and a very little recording. > However I do require realtime-lsm be enabled and loaded. Without > realtime-lsm all kernels on my machine, with or without Ingo's > patches, cause xruns. Does realtime-lsm offer any performance benefits over simply running relevant sound apps as root? I'm aware of the security benefits. > I have not tried the pam enabled realtime methods as there doesn't > seem to be any value spending the time to do it just yet. > > Cheers, > Mark -- Joel Roth From rlrevell at joe-job.com Tue May 23 20:45:01 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Tue May 23 20:45:28 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Low latency with 2.6.16.16 vanilla In-Reply-To: <20060524004900.GB5598@sprite> References: <200605241028.02843.tito@rumford.de> <200605231025.07838.aaron@akjmusic.com> <200605250110.47722.tito@rumford.de> <5bdc1c8b0605231701t514c136cs7a6635923c56b2a4@mail.gmail.com> <20060524004900.GB5598@sprite> Message-ID: <1148431502.12529.208.camel@mindpipe> On Wed, 2006-05-24 at 09:49 +0900, Joel Roth wrote: > Does realtime-lsm offer any performance benefits over simply > running relevant sound apps as root? I'm aware of the security > benefits. No. Lee From markknecht at gmail.com Tue May 23 20:56:47 2006 From: markknecht at gmail.com (Mark Knecht) Date: Tue May 23 20:56:54 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Low latency with 2.6.16.16 vanilla In-Reply-To: <20060524004900.GB5598@sprite> References: <200605241028.02843.tito@rumford.de> <200605231025.07838.aaron@akjmusic.com> <200605250110.47722.tito@rumford.de> <5bdc1c8b0605231701t514c136cs7a6635923c56b2a4@mail.gmail.com> <20060524004900.GB5598@sprite> Message-ID: <5bdc1c8b0605231756o28f7dbc2r1739dea8de4de27a@mail.gmail.com> On 5/23/06, Joel Roth wrote: > On Tue, May 23, 2006 at 05:01:28PM -0700, Mark Knecht wrote: > > Hi, > > I'm just echoing Lee's inputs as someone who's been down the low > > latency path for a while now. I am currently using 2.6.16-gentoo-r2 > > with no low latency patches. It works fine on my AMD64 hardware, at > > least for low work load low latency needs. I run at 64/2 on my HDSP > > 9652 and get no xruns doing mostly mixing and a very little recording. > > However I do require realtime-lsm be enabled and loaded. Without > > realtime-lsm all kernels on my machine, with or without Ingo's > > patches, cause xruns. > > Does realtime-lsm offer any performance benefits over simply > running relevant sound apps as root? I'm aware of the security benefits. > No. Cheers, Mark From kjetil at ccrma.stanford.edu Tue May 23 17:38:18 2006 From: kjetil at ccrma.stanford.edu (Kjetil S. Matheussen) Date: Tue May 23 21:23:55 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] How can I time-stretch the sound like this (with SND & CLM) In-Reply-To: <20060523152550.07AE8184BFC0@music.columbia.edu> References: <20060523152550.07AE8184BFC0@music.columbia.edu> Message-ID: Paul: >Hi. >I found out a very interesting page and a webcast >about the 9'th symphony of Beethoven stretched to 24 >hours here: >http://www.park.nl/park_cms/public/index.php?thisarticle=118 >And on this page ( http://www.notam02.no/9/tech.htm ) >I found that for this was used CLM and SND. >How can I do the same? Its just a simple granulate processing with a tiny bit of reverb on top. Halfly pseudo, it can look like this: (let* ((read0 (make-readin filename #:channel 0)) (read1 (make-readin filename #:channel 1)) (gr0 (make-granulate #:expansion 22.0 #:length 0.15 #:hop 0.03)) (gr1 (make-granulate #:expansion 22.0 #:length 0.15 #:hop 0.03))) (do-X-number-of-times (output-to-file file-object (granulate gr0 (lambda () (readin read0))) (granulate gr1 (lambda () (readin read1)))))) Very simple. You have to tune the length and hop sizes though, plus volume and stuff. http://ccrma.stanford.edu/software/snd/snd/clm.html#granulate > It's possible to do this in > batch mode? Yes, the first first version of this stretch was actually run in batch I didn't want to stay up all night generating all the files. :-) From lau at ballen.fastmail.fm Tue May 23 21:34:28 2006 From: lau at ballen.fastmail.fm (Bill Allen) Date: Tue May 23 21:34:44 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Transparentize ZynAddSubFX In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4473B824.1090302@ballen.fastmail.fm> Carlo Capocasa wrote: > User request here! I absolutely LOVE ZynAddSubFX and I haven't found > any oscillators, filters, harmonics generators etc. that sound nearly > as good. The sounds are simply so natural. Now what I'd like to do is > hook up all these things in a modular way. > > You're looking for a new project to tie your name infinitely to the > world audio and enjoy all the privileges of the natural way of the > coder. You also have a good ear for fineness. > > Great! You code. I'll test. The result is a wonderful set of LV2 (new > ladspa) plugins that are all the building blocks ZynAddSubFX is made > of. They are called ZynAddSubFX LowPass2 Filter etc. to honor the > genius of its author. > > Carlo > What you're asking for is nothing short of the holy grail. ZynAddSubFX is amazing. I just hope nobody ever finds out I'm making the wrong kind of music :) Bill From dlphillips at woh.rr.com Tue May 23 23:05:19 2006 From: dlphillips at woh.rr.com (Dave Phillips) Date: Tue May 23 22:59:38 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] logomania Message-ID: <4473CD6F.3040203@woh.rr.com> Greetings: I've added some Linux audio logos to the top page at http://linux-sound.org. Yes, this action represents another pathetic attempt to breathe some life into the old frames. Best, dp From kesserich1 at comcast.net Tue May 23 23:15:24 2006 From: kesserich1 at comcast.net (paul santa clara) Date: Tue May 23 23:15:33 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Multiple Cards(sorry, i know it's an ancient topic) Message-ID: <1F72424F-C2AD-4BF6-A1F5-BB98A5E1F237@comcast.net> Hi everyone, I am attempting to utilize my asound.conf to create a virtual interface out of two delta 410 cards. There are several examples of this online, but even after digesting them and plunging into the ALSA doxygen docs, i am still unable to make jackd happy. My understanding is that a route plug is inefficient but necessary for jack to lock down the memory(unless the MMAP_COMPLEX patch is applied). Using jack 0.99.0 jackd -v -d alsa -P ttable_play results in the error... ALSA lib pcm_multi.c:970:(_snd_pcm_multi_open) Unknown field 10 ALSA: Cannot open PCM device alsa_pcm for playback. Falling back to capture-only mode. The playback portion of my asound.conf follows. Any help would be greatly appreciated. I actually thought I understood the configuration process until it failed to work. ;) thanks in advance, -paul pcm.multi_playback { type multi slaves.a.pcm hw:1 slaves.a.pcm channels 10 slaves.b.pcm hw:2 slaves.b.pcm channels 10 #note that ice1217 chip actually has 10 outs(8 analogue on 410) #first 8 analogue channels of FIRST 410 #bindings . virtual channel bindings.0.slave a bindings.0.channel 0 bindings.1.slave a bindings.1.channel 1 bindings.2.slave a bindings.2.channel 2 bindings.3.slave a bindings.3.channel 3 bindings.4.slave a bindings.4.channel 4 bindings.5.slave a bindings.5.channel 5 bindings.6.slave a bindings.6.channel 6 bindings.7.slave a bindings.7.channel 7 #first 8 analogue channels of SECOND 410 bindings.8.slave b bindings.8.channel 0 bindings.9.slave b bindings.9.channel 1 bindings.10.slave b bindings.10.channel 2 bindings.11.slave b bindings.11.channel 3 bindings.12.slave b bindings.12.channel 4 bindings.13.slave b bindings.13.channel 5 bindings.14.slave b bindings.14.channel 6 bindings.15.slave b bindings.15.channel 7 #SPDIF 1st 410 # bindings.16.slave a # bindings.16.channel 8 # bindings.17.slave a # bindings.17.channel 9 #SPDIF 2nd 410 # bindings.18.slave b # bindings.18.channel 8 # bindings.19.slave b # bindings.19.channel 9 } #end pcm.multiplayback ctl.multi_playback { type hw card 0 } #interleave playback channels #slow but required by JACK pcm.ttable_play { type route slave.pcm "multi_playback" ttable.0.0 1 ttable.1.1 1 ttable.2.2 1 ttable.3.3 1 ttable.4.4 1 ttable.5.5 1 ttable.6.6 1 ttable.7.7 1 ttable.8.8 1 ttable.9.9 1 ttable.10.10 1 ttable.11.11 1 ttable.12.12 1 ttable.13.13 1 ttable.14.14 1 ttable.15.15 1 #SPDIF playback # ttable.16.16 1 # ttable.17.17 1 } #END pcm.ttable_play ctl.ttable_play { type hw card 0 } From loki.davison at gmail.com Wed May 24 01:29:00 2006 From: loki.davison at gmail.com (Loki Davison) Date: Wed May 24 01:29:07 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Low latency with 2.6.16.16 vanilla In-Reply-To: <5bdc1c8b0605231701t514c136cs7a6635923c56b2a4@mail.gmail.com> References: <200605241028.02843.tito@rumford.de> <200605231025.07838.aaron@akjmusic.com> <200605250110.47722.tito@rumford.de> <5bdc1c8b0605231701t514c136cs7a6635923c56b2a4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On 5/24/06, Mark Knecht wrote: > On 5/24/06, Wolfgang Woehl wrote: > > Tuesday 23 May 2006 12:25, Aaron Krister Johnson: > > > On Wednesday 24 May 2006 8:28 am, Wolfgang Woehl wrote: > > > > Got 2.6.16.16 from kernel.org. If I understood Lee right I could > expect a > > > > jackd with -p 64 -n 2 to work just fine but it doesn't. Loads of > xruns. > > > > What am I missing? What can I do to find out? > > > > > > Hi Wolfgang, > > > > > > I was banging my head against the wall with the same issue, but after a > > > *long* Google search, I found that disabling acpi did the trick for me. > > > > Aaron thanks, I'll try that. You happen to know whether this is a > motherboard > > issue or is kernel's acpi just not there yet? What a shame, it's such a > good > > thing to save power :) > > > > -- > > Wolfgang > > > > Hi, > I'm just echoing Lee's inputs as someone who's been down the low > latency path for a while now. I am currently using 2.6.16-gentoo-r2 > with no low latency patches. It works fine on my AMD64 hardware, at > least for low work load low latency needs. I run at 64/2 on my HDSP > 9652 and get no xruns doing mostly mixing and a very little recording. > However I do require realtime-lsm be enabled and loaded. Without > realtime-lsm all kernels on my machine, with or without Ingo's > patches, cause xruns. > > I have not tried the pam enabled realtime methods as there doesn't > seem to be any value spending the time to do it just yet. > > Cheers, > Mark > in 64 bit? What mobo? I've given up on ingo's patches on my 64 bit machine here. From loki.davison at gmail.com Wed May 24 01:32:31 2006 From: loki.davison at gmail.com (Loki Davison) Date: Wed May 24 01:32:38 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Low latency with 2.6.16.16 vanilla In-Reply-To: <1148427200.12529.190.camel@mindpipe> References: <200605241028.02843.tito@rumford.de> <1148404388.12529.83.camel@mindpipe> <1148427200.12529.190.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: On 5/24/06, Lee Revell wrote: > On Wed, 2006-05-24 at 09:17 +1000, Loki Davison wrote: > > ext3 the best choice? Is there some easy way to convert an reiserfs > > partition to an ext3 one? All my partitions, including my root > > partition are reiserfs so i'm assuming that may be something to do > > with my inability to record more than 2 tracks at a time in ardour > > with my amd64 3000+ system and sata drives. > > > > You'd have to copy off all the data, mkfs again, and copy it back. > > Do you have CONFIG_PREEMPT_BKL=y in the mainline kernel config? > ReiserFS 3.x uses it heavily. > > Also, I never claimed that mainline was OK on all hardware - it does > work for me and several others I have talked to. It will heavily depend > on the driver set. > > Did you do: > > echo 64 > /sys/block/hd*/queue/max_sectors_kb > > like I described on the ML and my LAC2006 paper? > > You could also use Ingo's latency tracer patch for the mainline kernel o > debug it. > > Lee > > Guess i'll have to grab another drive then. My current one is pretty full copying it across somewhere would take a while. I'm thinking it's also limited ram, i've got 512 mb which is quite small for a 64 bit system. Should i have CONFIG_PREEMPT_BKL on or off? Loki From paulgfx at yahoo.com Wed May 24 03:46:20 2006 From: paulgfx at yahoo.com (Paul) Date: Wed May 24 03:46:29 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re:How can I time-stretch the sound like this (with SND & CLM) Message-ID: <20060524074620.60557.qmail@web52213.mail.yahoo.com> Thanks for reply. I wanted to try by myself and I made last night a quick hack for extreme time stretching by using FFTs. I like the results very much. Here are some demos (the links will work only for few days): Original sound is this: http://zeus.integrasoft.ro/~nop/1stretch_paul_in1.ogg Stretched (over 60x) is this: http://zeus.integrasoft.ro/~nop/1stretch_paul_out1.ogg Please tell me your opinion about the stretched sound. The program is not complete (is just a quick hack written in about one hour), but if you are interested, I can put it somewhere on net (and make it usable and improve the quality :) ). Paul >>Hi. >>I found out a very interesting page and a webcast >>about the 9'th symphony of Beethoven stretched to 24 >>hours here: >>http://www.park.nl/park_cms/public/index.php?thisarticle=118 >>And on this page ( http://www.notam02.no/9/tech.htm ) >>I found that for this was used CLM and SND. >>How can I do the same? >Its just a simple granulate processing with a tiny bit >of reverb on top. >Halfly pseudo, it can look like this: >(let* ((read0 (make-readin filename #:channel 0)) > (read1 (make-readin filename #:channel 1)) > (gr0 (make-granulate #:expansion 22.0 #:length >0.15 #:hop 0.03)) > (gr1 (make-granulate #:expansion 22.0 #:length >0.15 #:hop 0.03))) > (do-X-number-of-times > (output-to-file file-object (granulate gr0 (lambda >() (readin read0))) > (granulate gr1 (lambda >() (readin read1)))))) >Very simple. You have to tune the length and hop sizes >though, plus volume >and stuff. >http://ccrma.stanford.edu/software/snd/snd/clm.html#granulate >> It's possible to do this in >> batch mode? >Yes, the first first version of this stretch was >actually run in batch >I didn't want to stay up all night generating all the >files. :-) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From bumpycarrot at gmail.com Wed May 24 04:04:51 2006 From: bumpycarrot at gmail.com (Joseph Jones) Date: Wed May 24 04:05:44 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Problem with seq24: Where's the midi ports? In-Reply-To: <1901.85.226.151.174.1148415693.squirrel@handgranat.org> References: <1901.85.226.151.174.1148415693.squirrel@handgranat.org> Message-ID: On 5/23/06, sunnan@handgranat.org wrote: > > I'm fairly sure that I made some use of it when I first installed it, > > however, I've tried using it with qsynth over the last few days and I > > just can't seem to be able to connect the two at all. I'm rather > > concerned that seq24 doesn't seem to have any ports/clients listed in > > qjackctl's midi section. > > Depending on what version you're using of seq24; older versions tried to > connect without using aconnect/qjackctl (i.e. it finds qsynth and others > automatically), but IIRC recent versions can choose between either > behaviour. I know I have it set up to show up in qjackctl at the moment. > > Look in the preferences or the readme (a file named SEQ24). > > Ahh, I see. I tried doing an upgrade last night, as I hadn't realised that my installed version was actually older than god, which involved a partial upgrade to DeMuDi unstable. Unfortunately I seem to have broken everything audio related, so I'm gonna have another bash at it tonight, probably just do a base install and then actually follow the instructions for upgrading. -- Joe Jones -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- Version: 3.1 GIT/MU d-- s+:-- a-- C++ UL+ L++ E---- W++ w M t(++) 5++ tv D++ e+ h-- ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------ From tito at rumford.de Thu May 25 04:31:13 2006 From: tito at rumford.de (Wolfgang Woehl) Date: Wed May 24 04:30:00 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Low latency with 2.6.16.16 vanilla In-Reply-To: <1148428893.12529.197.camel@mindpipe> References: <200605241028.02843.tito@rumford.de> <200605250155.38584.tito@rumford.de> <1148428893.12529.197.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <200605251031.13601.tito@rumford.de> Wednesday 24 May 2006 02:01, Lee Revell: > On Thu, 2006-05-25 at 01:55 +0200, Wolfgang Woehl wrote: > > Damn, it doesn't make sense to me. If I can configure the kernel to be > > or not to be preemptible then what is the separation good for? Isn't > > overhead because of preemption the only price tag? > > You are confusing preemption (which improves the performance of realtime > processes) with the permission to run realtime processes at all > (addressed by the realtime LSM, pam, or set_rtlimits). Err, no. I doubt the need for this restriction. A campus server kernel wouldn't be configured for preemption, a dedicated workstation would be. Why put another roadblock in the way? -- Wolfgang From t_w_ at freenet.de Wed May 24 05:48:10 2006 From: t_w_ at freenet.de (Thorsten Wilms) Date: Wed May 24 05:48:19 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re:How can I time-stretch the sound like this (with SND & CLM) In-Reply-To: <20060524074620.60557.qmail@web52213.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20060524074620.60557.qmail@web52213.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20060524094810.GA7348@charly.SWORD> On Wed, May 24, 2006 at 12:46:20AM -0700, Paul wrote: > Original sound is this: > http://zeus.integrasoft.ro/~nop/1stretch_paul_in1.ogg > Stretched (over 60x) is this: > http://zeus.integrasoft.ro/~nop/1stretch_paul_out1.ogg > > Please tell me your opinion about the stretched sound. Pretty cool. Surprisingly smooth. This could be a nice way to generate some atmospheric sounds :) Cheers, Thorsten Wilms From parumi at iua.upf.edu Wed May 24 07:06:15 2006 From: parumi at iua.upf.edu (Pau Arumi) Date: Wed May 24 06:56:17 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Looking for a leveler (long term compressor) plugin Message-ID: <44743E27.2080803@iua.upf.edu> Hello, I'm looking for a LADSPA plugin that acts as an automatic leveler for an audio stream playing different songs, which will have (very) different volumes. A simple compressor wouldn't suit my needs since it would either sound too low for some songs or smash the sound for other songs. Actually I used such a plugin (I think it also was a command line tool) some months ago but now I don't remember its name. Any hint? Many thanks, Pau Arum? From clemens at ladisch.de Wed May 24 08:12:02 2006 From: clemens at ladisch.de (Clemens Ladisch) Date: Wed May 24 08:12:36 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Ubuntu, ALSA, and the Roland UA-100 In-Reply-To: <20060523222905.84B7A185DF4D@music.columbia.edu> References: <20060523084958.GA6161@turing.informatik.uni-halle.de> <20060523222905.84B7A185DF4D@music.columbia.edu> Message-ID: <20060524121202.GB22982@turing.informatik.uni-halle.de> Scott Metoyer wrote: > uname -a > Linux dolores 2.6.12-10-386 #1 Fri Apr 28 13:13:44 UTC 2006 i686 GNU/Linux > > cat /proc/asound/version > Advanced Linux Sound Architecture Driver Version 1.0.9 (Sun May 29 07:31:02 > 2005 UTC). You might want to try something newer. > >> The driver appears to load ok, however aplay will hang when trying to > >> play any wave files (doesn't play any sound, has to be forcibly > >> ended). > > > Is there an error message after ten seconds? > > Unfortunately, no error message. I let aplay sit for over a minute before > killing it. In theory, ALSA automatically aborts when no data has been transferred for ten seconds. What are the contents of /proc/asound/cardX/stream0 when aplay is running? > >> Attempting to test in the Multimedia Systems Selector results > >> in the 'Failed to construct test pipeline for Alsa' message. qjackctl > >> actually starts Jack ok, but pressing the play button on the transport > >> will not start it (it immediately flashes back to stopped)... > > > Is there any error message in the system log? > > I didn't see any errors in the system log... Is there something in > particular I should be looking for in there? Something like "could not submit ...". Regards, Clemens From riwright at vt.edu Wed May 24 08:32:46 2006 From: riwright at vt.edu (Rick Wright) Date: Wed May 24 08:32:56 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Multiple Cards(sorry, i know it's an ancient topic) In-Reply-To: <1F72424F-C2AD-4BF6-A1F5-BB98A5E1F237@comcast.net> References: <1F72424F-C2AD-4BF6-A1F5-BB98A5E1F237@comcast.net> Message-ID: <4474526E.4080502@vt.edu> paul santa clara wrote: > Hi everyone, > I am attempting to utilize my asound.conf to create a virtual > interface out of two delta 410 cards. There are several examples of > this online, but even after digesting them and plunging into the ALSA > doxygen docs, i am still unable to make jackd happy. My > understanding is that a route plug is inefficient but necessary for > jack to lock down the memory(unless the MMAP_COMPLEX patch is > applied). Using jack 0.99.0 > > jackd -v -d alsa -P ttable_play results in the error... > ALSA lib pcm_multi.c:970:(_snd_pcm_multi_open) Unknown field 10 > ALSA: Cannot open PCM device alsa_pcm for playback. Falling back to > capture-only mode. > > The playback portion of my asound.conf follows. Any help would be > greatly appreciated. I actually thought I understood the > configuration process until it failed to work. ;) > > thanks in advance, > -paul > > pcm.multi_playback { > type multi > slaves.a.pcm hw:1 <---------------------- "hw:0"? > slaves.a.pcm channels 10 > slaves.b.pcm hw:2 <---------------------- "hw:1"? > slaves.b.pcm channels 10 > #note that ice1217 chip actually has 10 outs(8 analogue on 410) I don't know much about .asoundrc configuration, but should the "hw" index start at 0? Rick > > #first 8 analogue channels of FIRST 410 > #bindings . virtual channel > bindings.0.slave a > bindings.0.channel 0 > bindings.1.slave a > bindings.1.channel 1 > bindings.2.slave a > bindings.2.channel 2 > bindings.3.slave a > bindings.3.channel 3 > bindings.4.slave a > bindings.4.channel 4 > bindings.5.slave a > bindings.5.channel 5 > bindings.6.slave a > bindings.6.channel 6 > bindings.7.slave a > bindings.7.channel 7 > > #first 8 analogue channels of SECOND 410 > bindings.8.slave b > bindings.8.channel 0 > bindings.9.slave b > bindings.9.channel 1 > bindings.10.slave b > bindings.10.channel 2 > bindings.11.slave b > bindings.11.channel 3 > bindings.12.slave b > bindings.12.channel 4 > bindings.13.slave b > bindings.13.channel 5 > bindings.14.slave b > bindings.14.channel 6 > bindings.15.slave b > bindings.15.channel 7 > > #SPDIF 1st 410 > # bindings.16.slave a > # bindings.16.channel 8 > # bindings.17.slave a > # bindings.17.channel 9 > > #SPDIF 2nd 410 > # bindings.18.slave b > # bindings.18.channel 8 > # bindings.19.slave b > # bindings.19.channel 9 > > } > #end pcm.multiplayback > > ctl.multi_playback { > type hw > card 0 > } > > #interleave playback channels > #slow but required by JACK > pcm.ttable_play { > type route > slave.pcm "multi_playback" > ttable.0.0 1 > ttable.1.1 1 > ttable.2.2 1 > ttable.3.3 1 > ttable.4.4 1 > ttable.5.5 1 > ttable.6.6 1 > ttable.7.7 1 > ttable.8.8 1 > ttable.9.9 1 > ttable.10.10 1 > ttable.11.11 1 > ttable.12.12 1 > ttable.13.13 1 > ttable.14.14 1 > ttable.15.15 1 > #SPDIF playback > # ttable.16.16 1 > # ttable.17.17 1 > } > #END pcm.ttable_play > > ctl.ttable_play { > type hw > card 0 > } > > > > > From paul at linuxaudiosystems.com Wed May 24 08:58:57 2006 From: paul at linuxaudiosystems.com (Paul Davis) Date: Wed May 24 08:59:10 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re:How can I time-stretch the sound like this (with SND & CLM) In-Reply-To: <20060524074620.60557.qmail@web52213.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20060524074620.60557.qmail@web52213.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1148475538.20922.9.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Wed, 2006-05-24 at 00:46 -0700, Paul wrote: > Thanks for reply. > I wanted to try by myself and I made last night a > quick hack for extreme time stretching by using FFTs. > I like the results very much. > Here are some demos (the links will work only for few > days): > Original sound is this: > http://zeus.integrasoft.ro/~nop/1stretch_paul_in1.ogg > Stretched (over 60x) is this: > http://zeus.integrasoft.ro/~nop/1stretch_paul_out1.ogg > > Please tell me your opinion about the stretched sound. > > > The program is not complete (is just a quick hack > written in about one hour), but if you are interested, > I can put it somewhere on net (and make it usable and > improve the quality :) ). that's freakin' fantastic! totally up my alley. i have a wonderful piece that a friend of mine made with an experimental musician : they recorded drumming on a 55 gallon empty molasses container, then slowed it down about 45x, sampled it and did some composition with the result. the resulting sound is deeply harmonic and moving, and totally unrelated to the source material some of that comes specifically from artifacts created by the eventide they used for the slowdown. this is lacking the artifacts (understandably), but it has similar depth and majesty. it would be interesting to run this through freqtweak to get a little more low end. --p From hans at fugal.net Wed May 24 09:44:59 2006 From: hans at fugal.net (Hans Fugal) Date: Wed May 24 09:45:14 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re-compiling Demudi kernel help please: Digigram VXpocket2 In-Reply-To: <447399DD.3060200@yahoo.co.nz> References: <447399DD.3060200@yahoo.co.nz> Message-ID: <20060524134459.GB31048@falcon.fugal.net> Your problem is that stock kernels usually use an initrd, but when you compile by hand you aren't setting up the initrd. You can either grok initrd, or compile a few more things into the kernel instead of as modules. Needless to say the latter is by far easier. You need the appropriate disk drivers (IDE/ATA, for example) and the appropriate file system(s) compiled in (ext3 for example). On Wed, 24 May 2006 at 11:25 +1200, Hamish Low wrote: > Firstly thanks to Asbj?rn, Lee, Tim and others who have given me advice > so far. > > I tried using Asbj?rn's vanilla kernel but it didn't work as our laptops > are different, but your config settings were a good guide. > > I downloaded the source package for 2.6.16 > I did make oldconfig, to use the config already working on my machine > (just without the VXpocket support), I tried compiling the kernel as per > the instructions on the Demudi page > , and by > referencing Asbj?rn's config settings > Lee had written that CONFIG_ISAPNP must be enabled, but this wasn't an > option that I could choose in menuconfig, there was just a hyphen beside > this option, also this wasn't enabled in Asbj?rn's settings which > reportedly works. > > but got this error message on reboot > > Kernel panic - not syncing: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on > unknown-block(0,0) > > I assume this means I didn't have the exact settings configured for my > laptop. > > So then I put the result of lspci -v into http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/ > > 0000:00:00.0 0600: 8086:3340 (rev 21) > 0000:00:01.0 0604: 8086:3341 (rev 21) > 0000:00:1d.0 0c03: 8086:24c2 (rev 03) > 0000:00:1d.1 0c03: 8086:24c4 (rev 03) > 0000:00:1d.2 0c03: 8086:24c7 (rev 03) > 0000:00:1d.7 0c03: 8086:24cd (rev 03) > 0000:00:1e.0 0604: 8086:2448 (rev 83) > 0000:00:1f.0 0601: 8086:24cc (rev 03) > 0000:00:1f.1 0101: 8086:24ca (rev 03) > 0000:00:1f.5 0401: 8086:24c5 (rev 03) > 0000:00:1f.6 0703: 8086:24c6 (rev 03) > 0000:01:00.0 0300: 1002:4e50 > 0000:02:08.0 0200: 8086:1039 (rev 83) > 0000:02:09.0 0280: 8086:4223 (rev 05) > 0000:02:0a.0 0607: 1180:0475 (rev b8) > 0000:02:0a.1 0c00: 1180:0551 > > and it requires the intel-agp driver, which reportedly works > > > 80863340 Yes Intel Corporation 82855PM Processor to I/O > Controller intel-agp > > in the Configuration Archive I couldn't find any kernel on any architecture > where this can be enabled. > Anyway then I tried to rebuild the package with initrd, as I got the > impression from the Demudi page that though building a fatter kernel, at > least my machine would reboot > unfortunately this couldn't be built because yaird, or intramfs-tools or > linux-intramafs-tool were not previously installed, and I don't seem to be > able to install them, either with apt-get or synaptic, as some list is > locked/unlocked > > so a few questions - can I salvage things at this point or do I have to > start over from a fresh install? > what did I do wrong and how can avoid similar problems happening again? > am I going about this the right way, should i be using initrd? > > I hadn't got around to installing the VXpocket firmware - though I don't > think this was the problem, when booting into the new kernel Alsa couldn't > find the soundcard, though I assume it would be solved after the firmware > was installed. > > As much as I enjoy re-compiling and re-installing over and over again, I > rather be making some music - thanks in advance > > peace > > Hamish > > > > > Send instant messages to your online friends http://au.messenger.yahoo.com > -- Hans Fugal ; http://hans.fugal.net There's nothing remarkable about it. All one has to do is hit the right keys at the right time and the instrument plays itself. -- Johann Sebastian Bach -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 191 bytes Desc: Digital signature Url : http://music.columbia.edu/pipermail/linux-audio-user/attachments/20060524/9a0e5a15/attachment.bin From jack.oquin at gmail.com Wed May 24 11:24:53 2006 From: jack.oquin at gmail.com (Jack O'Quin) Date: Wed May 24 11:25:01 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Low latency with 2.6.16.16 vanilla In-Reply-To: <200605251031.13601.tito@rumford.de> References: <200605241028.02843.tito@rumford.de> <200605250155.38584.tito@rumford.de> <1148428893.12529.197.camel@mindpipe> <200605251031.13601.tito@rumford.de> Message-ID: On 5/25/06, Wolfgang Woehl wrote: > Wednesday 24 May 2006 02:01, Lee Revell: > > On Thu, 2006-05-25 at 01:55 +0200, Wolfgang Woehl wrote: > > > Damn, it doesn't make sense to me. If I can configure the kernel to be > > > or not to be preemptible then what is the separation good for? Isn't > > > overhead because of preemption the only price tag? > > > > You are confusing preemption (which improves the performance of realtime > > processes) with the permission to run realtime processes at all > > (addressed by the realtime LSM, pam, or set_rtlimits). > > Err, no. I doubt the need for this restriction. A campus server kernel > wouldn't be configured for preemption, a dedicated workstation would be. Why > put another roadblock in the way? One is a mechanism, useful in many domains. The other controls who has access to that mechanism. Some systems don't care (yours pehaps?), others care very much. There is nothing wrong with this as a system design concept. What you and many of us are suffering from is the balkanized implementation of Linux kernels and distributions. The kernel group made some implementation choices a year ago. While those choices were OK, they did not worry about all the peripheral pieces needed to gather them into a useable end-user package. That is not their job. The required components are now available, and are being provided by a few leading-edge distributions. Had you installed Ubuntu Dapper Drake (which is not yet officially released), you would not have seen any problem. They chose to include the PAM patches and authorize all users to start realtime threads be default. That is a reasonable choice for them (given their goals), but would not be appropriate for most other distributions. -- joq From joelz at pobox.com Wed May 24 12:02:01 2006 From: joelz at pobox.com (Joel Roth) Date: Wed May 24 11:54:45 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re-compiling Demudi kernel help please: Digigram VXpocket2 In-Reply-To: <20060524134459.GB31048@falcon.fugal.net> References: <447399DD.3060200@yahoo.co.nz> <20060524134459.GB31048@falcon.fugal.net> Message-ID: <20060524160201.GD7001@sprite> > On Wed, 24 May 2006 at 11:25 +1200, Hamish Low wrote: > > Firstly thanks to Asbj?rn, Lee, Tim and others who have given me advice > > so far. > > > > I tried using Asbj?rn's vanilla kernel but it didn't work as our laptops > > are different, but your config settings were a good guide. > > > > I downloaded the source package for 2.6.16 > > I did make oldconfig, to use the config already working on my machine > > (just without the VXpocket support), I tried compiling the kernel as per > > the instructions on the Demudi page > > , and by > > referencing Asbj?rn's config settings > > Lee had written that CONFIG_ISAPNP must be enabled, but this wasn't an > > option that I could choose in menuconfig, there was just a hyphen beside > > this option, also this wasn't enabled in Asbj?rn's settings which > > reportedly works. > > > > but got this error message on reboot > > > > Kernel panic - not syncing: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on > > unknown-block(0,0) > > > > I assume this means I didn't have the exact settings configured for my > > laptop. On Wed, May 24, 2006 at 07:44:59AM -0600, Hans Fugal wrote: > Your problem is that stock kernels usually use an initrd, but when you > compile by hand you aren't setting up the initrd. You can either grok > initrd, or compile a few more things into the kernel instead of as > modules. Needless to say the latter is by far easier. That is a judgement call. For the former (under debian, not guaranteed, an example) apt-get initrd-tools mkinitrd -o /boot/initrd-img-2.6.16 2.6.16 Add an initrd line to GRUB or LILO For the latter (ditto, guaranteed not to work) > You need the appropriate disk drivers (IDE/ATA, for example) and the > appropriate file system(s) compiled in (ext3 for example). Here is a start, all the items containing EXT2, EXT3, IDE but not VIDEO. Just change all the 'm' or 'not set' to 'y', append to the end of .config, and compile. (Praying doesn't help, but it might make you feel better. Pizza and beer are also considered highly effective.) $ grep EXT3 /src/linux-2.6.16/.config CONFIG_EXT3_FS=m CONFIG_EXT3_FS_XATTR=y CONFIG_EXT3_FS_POSIX_ACL=y CONFIG_EXT3_FS_SECURITY=y $ grep EXT2 /src/linux-2.6.16/.config CONFIG_EXT2_FS=y CONFIG_EXT2_FS_XATTR=y CONFIG_EXT2_FS_POSIX_ACL=y CONFIG_EXT2_FS_SECURITY=y # CONFIG_EXT2_FS_XIP is not set $ grep IDE /src/linux-2.6.16/.config | grep -v VIDEO # CONFIG_PARIDE is not set CONFIG_IDE=m CONFIG_BLK_DEV_IDE=m # Please see Documentation/ide.txt for help/info on IDE drives # CONFIG_BLK_DEV_IDE_SATA is not set # CONFIG_BLK_DEV_HD_IDE is not set CONFIG_BLK_DEV_IDEDISK=m # CONFIG_IDEDISK_MULTI_MODE is not set # CONFIG_BLK_DEV_IDECS is not set CONFIG_BLK_DEV_IDECD=m CONFIG_BLK_DEV_IDETAPE=m CONFIG_BLK_DEV_IDEFLOPPY=m CONFIG_BLK_DEV_IDESCSI=m # CONFIG_IDE_TASK_IOCTL is not set # IDE chipset support/bugfixes CONFIG_IDE_GENERIC=m # CONFIG_BLK_DEV_IDEPNP is not set CONFIG_BLK_DEV_IDEPCI=y CONFIG_IDEPCI_SHARE_IRQ=y CONFIG_BLK_DEV_IDEDMA_PCI=y # CONFIG_BLK_DEV_IDEDMA_FORCED is not set CONFIG_IDEDMA_PCI_AUTO=y # CONFIG_IDEDMA_ONLYDISK is not set # CONFIG_IDE_ARM is not set CONFIG_BLK_DEV_IDEDMA=y # CONFIG_IDEDMA_IVB is not set CONFIG_IDEDMA_AUTO=y CONFIG_JOYSTICK_SIDEWINDER=m # CONFIG_FB_TRIDENT is not set # CONFIG_SND_TRIDENT is not set CONFIG_SOUND_TRIDENT=m -- Joel Roth From benjamin.fabricius at lawo.de Wed May 24 12:16:41 2006 From: benjamin.fabricius at lawo.de (Benjamin Fabricius) Date: Wed May 24 12:16:40 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] wine error using jack_fst-1.2 and fst-1.6 Message-ID: <1148487402.7552.18.camel@barney> Hi, Got a good deal of work done for my madi vst server with embedded linux. Tried wine20040505 and ran into some rather nasty errors. Did not spend a lot of time on this version then. Next I tried wine20050628 according to Gimpel's tutorial page. Got that compiled and running for my host. Then compiled fst-1.6 (and fst-1.7 but have not tried that yet) and jack-fst-1.2. After altering the Makefiles I got them compiled and running on the vst server. Then downloaded the Oberon-8 vsti. Now I get a wine error of the following sort: [snip] vst:/mnt/testsuite/oberon8 # jack_fst Oberon-8 (jack_fst:944): Gdk-WARNING **: locale not supported by Xlib (jack_fst:944): Gdk-WARNING **: cannot set