From loki.davison at gmail.com Wed Nov 1 00:55:58 2006 From: loki.davison at gmail.com (Loki Davison) Date: Wed Nov 1 00:56:07 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Digital DJ control In-Reply-To: <200610311131.33218.noven@sincorp.org> References: <200610271212.47656.noven@sincorp.org> <45462FA4.5030208@joow.be> <200610311131.33218.noven@sincorp.org> Message-ID: On 10/31/06, Novensiles divi Flamen wrote: > On Tuesday 31 October 2006 00:00, Pieter Palmers wrote: > > Loki Davison wrote: > > > > One thing I miss on all these is a decent way to 'push' the track a > > little, to correct sync when the pitch is (almost) ok and the track is > > running. > > Exactly what I was loking for in a DJ control > > > > And this too: > > http://www.pcdj.com/products/hardware/dac3.asp > > > This one wins for me based on looks (so similar to my Denons) and rack > mountability. Anyone tried it under linux? The other two look worthwhile > testing too though. > > One of my problems has been in Australia very few shoops stock these items > to > test out. I don't want to buy online before playing with something. > Hopefully > Hong Kong / Singapore will be better places to shop - can anyone recommend > good shops? > > - Noven > -- > >-- Novensiles divi Flamen --< > >---- Miles Militis Fons ----< > > Where in Australia? Melbourne has shops with most of this stuff, for instance in Richmond and Fitzroy. Loki From noven at sincorp.org Wed Nov 1 01:05:30 2006 From: noven at sincorp.org (Novensiles divi Flamen) Date: Wed Nov 1 01:08:07 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Digital DJ control In-Reply-To: References: <200610271212.47656.noven@sincorp.org> <200610311131.33218.noven@sincorp.org> Message-ID: <200611011305.37597.noven@sincorp.org> On Wednesday 01 November 2006 12:55, Loki Davison wrote: > > Where in Australia? Melbourne has shops with most of this stuff, for > instance in Richmond and Fitzroy. > > Loki Adelaide is the closest city to where I live, and Brisbane is the one I visit most often otherwise. For some reason Melbourne always zaps my cash (no matter how much I have to begin with) before ever going looking for such gear :) - Noven -- >-- Novensiles divi Flamen --< >---- Miles Militis Fons ----< -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://music.columbia.edu/pipermail/linux-audio-user/attachments/20061101/5092a340/attachment-0001.bin From tech at glastonburymusic.org.uk Wed Nov 1 10:30:59 2006 From: tech at glastonburymusic.org.uk (tim hall) Date: Wed Nov 1 10:31:28 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Lionstracs In-Reply-To: <20061031211507.1d76e4a3@localhost> References: <200610311526.33071.gregwilder@gregwilder.com> <20061031211507.1d76e4a3@localhost> Message-ID: <200611011531.00453.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> On Tuesday 31 October 2006 21:15, Folderol was like: > Am I right in thinking the synth inside this is based on ZynAddSubFX? No, the mediastation can run Zyn, however. -- cheers, tim hall http://glastonburymusic.org.uk/tim We are the people We've been waiting for. From k.s.matheussen at notam02.no Wed Nov 1 11:47:58 2006 From: k.s.matheussen at notam02.no (Kjetil S. Matheussen) Date: Wed Nov 1 11:48:33 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [ANN] Snd-ls 0.9.7.7 and Ceres V0.46 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Snd-ls v0.9.7.7 =============== Snd-ls is a distribution of Bill Schottstaedt's sound editor SND. Its target is people that don't know scheme very well, and don't want to spend too much time configuring Snd. It can also serve as a quick introduction to Snd and how it can be set up. Changes 0.9.7.1 -> 0.9.7.6: -Seems like the full menu patch was missing for all versions after 0.9.7.2, causing cutting (and probably other things) not to work. Download from http://www.notam02.no/arkiv/src/snd/ Ceres v0.46 =========== Ceres is a large program for doing various sound effects in the frequency domain and displaying sonograms. The program has been developed for about 10 years, and is mainly made by ?yvind Hammer with contributions from Jonathan Lee, Stanko Juzbasic and many others. Changes 0.45 -> 0.46 ------------------ -Fix to make pygtk1 build for Python 2.5. Bug found by Dave Phillips. Download from http://www.notam02.no/arkiv/src/ From bruceslists at ntlworld.com Wed Nov 1 13:31:17 2006 From: bruceslists at ntlworld.com (BJaY) Date: Wed Nov 1 13:30:40 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] fluidsynth multi channel output Message-ID: Hi, I've been using a shell scipt to load the various applications used for my projects and one of these applications is qsynth. As far as I can see, qsynth does not alow a configuration file to be specified, so I can't vary the sound fonts I use from project to project - please correct me if I am wrong, it will solve my problem. I turned to lash / fluidsynth combination but one of the fonts I use as multiple outputs (one for each drum). This worked OK in qsynth, I set each channel to the same prog / channel and the different drums would pop out of each channel as dictated by my qmidiroute config. I've been trying to do the same with fluidsynth but everythings coming out of the first channel. I use fluidsynth -a jack -C no -g 1 -o audio.output-channels=2 -o synth.audio-channels=13 -o synth.audio-groups=13 -o audio.jack.id=test -o audio.jack.multi=yes -R no -o audio.periods=2 -o audio.period-size=128 -o synth.verbose=yes -r 48000 /mnt/audioHD/SoundFonts/percussion/ns_kit7freesf2lite/ns_kit7free\ lite.sf2 to start the synth then select to set each midi channel to font 0. Any help would be appreciated. Cheers, Bruce. From perodog at gmx.net Wed Nov 1 14:18:35 2006 From: perodog at gmx.net (Dragan Noveski) Date: Wed Nov 1 14:18:29 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [ANN] Snd-ls 0.9.7.7 and Ceres V0.46 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4548F30B.6030408@gmx.net> Kjetil S. Matheussen wrote: > > > Ceres v0.46 > =========== > Ceres is a large program for doing various sound effects in the > frequency domain and displaying sonograms. The program has been > developed for about 10 years, and is mainly made by ?yvind Hammer with > contributions from Jonathan Lee, Stanko Juzbasic and many others. > > Changes 0.45 -> 0.46 > ------------------ > -Fix to make pygtk1 build for Python 2.5. Bug found by Dave Phillips. > > Download from http://www.notam02.no/arkiv/src/ hi, dont know what is missing here, i have libxml-1.8.17-14 installed (and the -dev package too): nowhiskey@murija2:~/software/nove/ceres/ceres-0.46/src$ make gcc -Wall -shared gakk.o -o check -L/usr/X11R6/lib -lXm -L/usr/X11R6/lib -lXt -lX11 packages/sndlib/sndlib.a -L/usr/local/lib -lsndfile `cat jacklib.comp` -lm -lpthread -ldl -L. -ljack -lsamplerate /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lXm collect2: ld returned 1 exit status make: *** [check] Fehler 1 nowhiskey@murija2:~/software/nove/ceres/ceres-0.46/src$ cheers, doc From dplist at free.fr Wed Nov 1 14:26:53 2006 From: dplist at free.fr (David) Date: Wed Nov 1 14:27:17 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [ANN] Snd-ls 0.9.7.7 and Ceres V0.46 In-Reply-To: <4548F30B.6030408@gmx.net> References: <4548F30B.6030408@gmx.net> Message-ID: <20061101202653.4fed840e.dplist@free.fr> On Wed, 01 Nov 2006 20:18:35 +0100 Dragan Noveski wrote: > /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lXm I think this relates to X/Motif, a (ancient) widget library. HTH. -- David From perodog at gmx.net Wed Nov 1 14:31:12 2006 From: perodog at gmx.net (Dragan Noveski) Date: Wed Nov 1 14:31:07 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [ANN] Snd-ls 0.9.7.7 and Ceres V0.46 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4548F600.7010705@gmx.net> Kjetil S. Matheussen wrote: > > Snd-ls v0.9.7.7 > =============== > Snd-ls is a distribution of Bill Schottstaedt's sound editor SND. > Its target is people that don't know scheme very well, and don't want > to spend too much time configuring Snd. It can also serve > as a quick introduction to Snd and how it can be set up. > > Changes 0.9.7.1 -> 0.9.7.6: > -Seems like the full menu patch was missing for all versions after > 0.9.7.2, causing cutting (and probably other things) not to work. > hi, snd-ls compiles good, but crashes on start on my machine: Backtrace: In /usr/local/snd-ls/snd-8/snd_conffile.scm: 2274: 0* (if *c-restore-previous-session* (let (#) (system #) ...)) 2275: 1 (let ((filename #f)) (system (string-append "touch " # ...)) ...) 2289: 2* (if filename (begin (set! *c-is-starting-up* #f) (open-sound filename) ...)) 2290: 3 (begin (set! *c-is-starting-up* #f) (open-sound filename) ...) 2292: 4* [open-sound "/home/nowhiskey/diverses/sound/Blub.wav"] ERROR! Snd-ls did not start correctly. Please report this bug to k.s.matheussen@notam02.no and bil@ccrma.stanford.edu (and please include the terminal output in the mail, Thanks.) -> destructor Some deprecated features have been used. Set the environment variable GUILE_WARN_DEPRECATED to "detailed" and rerun the program to get more information. Set it to "no" to suppress this message. nowhiskey@murija2:~/software/nove/snd/snd-ls-0.9.7.7$ ................ the same if i try starting with snd-ls /path/to/some/soundfile cheers, doc From perodog at gmx.net Wed Nov 1 14:31:39 2006 From: perodog at gmx.net (Dragan Noveski) Date: Wed Nov 1 14:32:22 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [ANN] Snd-ls 0.9.7.7 and Ceres V0.46 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4548F61B.3000708@gmx.net> Kjetil S. Matheussen wrote: > > Snd-ls v0.9.7.7 > =============== > Snd-ls is a distribution of Bill Schottstaedt's sound editor SND. > Its target is people that don't know scheme very well, and don't want > to spend too much time configuring Snd. It can also serve > as a quick introduction to Snd and how it can be set up. > > Changes 0.9.7.1 -> 0.9.7.6: > -Seems like the full menu patch was missing for all versions after > 0.9.7.2, causing cutting (and probably other things) not to work. > hi, snd-ls compiles good, but crashes on start on my machine: Backtrace: In /usr/local/snd-ls/snd-8/snd_conffile.scm: 2274: 0* (if *c-restore-previous-session* (let (#) (system #) ...)) 2275: 1 (let ((filename #f)) (system (string-append "touch " # ...)) ...) 2289: 2* (if filename (begin (set! *c-is-starting-up* #f) (open-sound filename) ...)) 2290: 3 (begin (set! *c-is-starting-up* #f) (open-sound filename) ...) 2292: 4* [open-sound "/home/nowhiskey/diverses/sound/Blub.wav"] ERROR! Snd-ls did not start correctly. Please report this bug to k.s.matheussen@notam02.no and bil@ccrma.stanford.edu (and please include the terminal output in the mail, Thanks.) -> destructor Some deprecated features have been used. Set the environment variable GUILE_WARN_DEPRECATED to "detailed" and rerun the program to get more information. Set it to "no" to suppress this message. nowhiskey@murija2:~/software/nove/snd/snd-ls-0.9.7.7$ ................ the same if i try starting with snd-ls /path/to/some/soundfile cheers, doc From wagi at monom.org Wed Nov 1 14:35:16 2006 From: wagi at monom.org (Daniel Wagner) Date: Wed Nov 1 14:33:42 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Help me set the volume for Freebob, please! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4548F6F4.4090200@monom.org> > I'm used to compiling software, just give me a quick > n dirty solution, any solution! Thank you. Hmm, the bad news is that there is nothing available to control the device. It is on my plate to implement it but I haven't started with it. There are some other todos as well. So the only q'n'd is the one you really don't like. Sorry about that. But there is light :) daniel From perodog at gmx.net Wed Nov 1 14:40:57 2006 From: perodog at gmx.net (Dragan Noveski) Date: Wed Nov 1 14:40:45 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [ANN] Snd-ls 0.9.7.7 and Ceres V0.46 In-Reply-To: <20061101202653.4fed840e.dplist@free.fr> References: <4548F30B.6030408@gmx.net> <20061101202653.4fed840e.dplist@free.fr> Message-ID: <4548F849.5060607@gmx.net> David wrote: > On Wed, 01 Nov 2006 20:18:35 +0100 > Dragan Noveski wrote: > > >> /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lXm >> > > I think this relates to X/Motif, a (ancient) widget library. > > HTH. > > allright, i am missing openmotif! so i try to install openmotif-2.2.3, ok? cheers, doc From yves at jazzcomputer.org Wed Nov 1 14:45:03 2006 From: yves at jazzcomputer.org (Yves Potin) Date: Wed Nov 1 14:45:12 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] fluidsynth multi channel output In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20061101194502.GA25445@localhost> Le 01 Nov ? 18:31, BJaY ecrivait: > I've been using a shell scipt to load the various applications used for my > projects and one of these applications is qsynth. As far as I can see, > qsynth does not alow a configuration file to be specified, so I can't vary > the sound fonts I use from project to project - please correct me if I am > wrong, it will solve my problem. The conf file is ~/.qt/qsynthrc, so your script can do, for example : cd ~/.qt cat qsynthrc-song1 > qsythrc qsynth & and for antother song : cd ~/.qt cat qsynthrc-song2 > qsythrc qsynth & and after creating a third setup, don't forget to cat ~/.qt/.qsynthrc > ~/.qt/qsynthrc-song3 I hope I understood the question... Y. From capocasa at gmx.net Wed Nov 1 14:51:22 2006 From: capocasa at gmx.net (Carlo Capocasa) Date: Wed Nov 1 14:51:22 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Help me set the volume for Freebob, please! In-Reply-To: <4548F6F4.4090200@monom.org> References: <4548F6F4.4090200@monom.org> Message-ID: > Hmm, the bad news is that there is nothing available to control the > device. It is on my plate to implement it but I haven't started with > it. > There are some other todos as well. So the only q'n'd is the one you > really don't like. Sorry about that. But there is light :) Oh my god, no! THAT dirty? And you're sure this would take more than ten lines of code if you would hard-code the volume-level? I wouldn't even mind compiling the program each time I want to change the volume as long as I do not have to wade in the evil waters of software dependency. Pretty please? Carlo From bruceslists at ntlworld.com Wed Nov 1 15:30:29 2006 From: bruceslists at ntlworld.com (BJaY) Date: Wed Nov 1 15:29:27 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] fluidsynth multi channel output In-Reply-To: <20061101194502.GA25445@localhost> Message-ID: >> I've been using a shell scipt to load the various applications used for my >> projects and one of these applications is qsynth. As far as I can see, >> qsynth does not alow a configuration file to be specified, so I can't vary >> the sound fonts I use from project to project - please correct me if I am >> wrong, it will solve my problem. > > The conf file is ~/.qt/qsynthrc, so your script can do, for >example : >cd ~/.qt >cat qsynthrc-song1 > qsythrc >qsynth & > >and for antother song : >cd ~/.qt >cat qsynthrc-song2 > qsythrc >qsynth & > >and after creating a third setup, don't forget to cat ~/.qt/.qsynthrc > >~/.qt/qsynthrc-song3 > > I hope I understood the question... > >Y. Yea, I thought of doing somthing like that but hoped there was a more elegant solution, it's the sort of thing one would like to be able to do with lash. From k.s.matheussen at notam02.no Wed Nov 1 15:42:52 2006 From: k.s.matheussen at notam02.no (Kjetil S. Matheussen) Date: Wed Nov 1 15:43:05 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [ANN] Snd-ls 0.9.7.7 and Ceres V0.46 In-Reply-To: <4548F61B.3000708@gmx.net> References: <4548F61B.3000708@gmx.net> Message-ID: On Wed, 1 Nov 2006, Dragan Noveski wrote: > Kjetil S. Matheussen wrote: >> >> Snd-ls v0.9.7.7 >> =============== >> Snd-ls is a distribution of Bill Schottstaedt's sound editor SND. >> Its target is people that don't know scheme very well, and don't want >> to spend too much time configuring Snd. It can also serve >> as a quick introduction to Snd and how it can be set up. >> >> Changes 0.9.7.1 -> 0.9.7.6: >> -Seems like the full menu patch was missing for all versions after >> 0.9.7.2, causing cutting (and probably other things) not to work. >> > hi, snd-ls compiles good, but crashes on start on my machine: > > Backtrace: > In /usr/local/snd-ls/snd-8/snd_conffile.scm: > 2274: 0* (if *c-restore-previous-session* (let (#) (system #) ...)) > 2275: 1 (let ((filename #f)) (system (string-append "touch " # ...)) ...) > 2289: 2* (if filename (begin (set! *c-is-starting-up* #f) (open-sound > filename) ...)) > 2290: 3 (begin (set! *c-is-starting-up* #f) (open-sound filename) ...) > 2292: 4* [open-sound "/home/nowhiskey/diverses/sound/Blub.wav"] > Thanks for the report. How did you start the program? (with, or without the filename on the command line?) Does /home/nowhiskey/diverses/sound/Blub.wav exist?, What does /home/nowhiskey/.snd_soundfilelist contain? From folderol at ukfsn.org Wed Nov 1 17:56:45 2006 From: folderol at ukfsn.org (Folderol) Date: Wed Nov 1 17:54:08 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Sad Angel (n) Message-ID: <20061101225645.52eff5d5@localhost> Well, I just knew I would still be dissatisfied with this, so I've tried again. One day I'll get it right - but probably only for one day :( Actually I've changed the voices quite a bit this time, and sort of rediscovered harmonies that had got lost. Here is the (n)th version. (I don't know. I've lost count) http://www.musically.me.uk/music/Sad_Angel.ogg http://www.musically.me.uk/music/Sad_Angel.ogg -- Will J G From wagi at monom.org Wed Nov 1 18:18:20 2006 From: wagi at monom.org (Daniel Wagner) Date: Wed Nov 1 18:16:37 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Help me set the volume for Freebob, please! In-Reply-To: References: <4548F6F4.4090200@monom.org> Message-ID: <45492B3C.7090507@monom.org> > And you're sure this would take more than ten lines of code if you would > hard-code the volume-level? I wouldn't even mind compiling the program > each time I want to change the volume as long as I do not have to wade > in the evil waters of software dependency. The thing is not the length of the program or the how you would to use it even if it were dirty. The problem is to figure out what kind of AV/C command has to be send to which subunit etc. Though I have access to the documentation this is still not an easy thing to find out. Since you seem extremely eager to get something I'll try to look into it asap. But no promise it will be available soon. daniel From lala.land at freenet.de Wed Nov 1 19:19:05 2006 From: lala.land at freenet.de (lala) Date: Wed Nov 1 19:18:56 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Lionstracs In-Reply-To: <200610311526.33071.gregwilder@gregwilder.com> References: <200610311526.33071.gregwilder@gregwilder.com> Message-ID: <45493979.4010802@freenet.de> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Greg Wilder schrieb: > Many contributors to this list have been involved with the > linux-based Lionstracs products, and recently I was very fortunate > to find one in the US through ebay. > > My thoughts? WOW and WOW. > > These machines are killer! I you're new to the list and don't > already know about them, check 'em out: > http://www.lionstracs.com/store/ > > Amazing. > > > yeah really nice... didnt know that. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFFSTl4h0Sf8rYIKd8RAteiAJ44FGJrFDIDzzzZL5aSRRLcFmTVzQCgwPmr 2eUzAcePzYxq0Mg/KRbF3iQ= =zZIY -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From lala.land at freenet.de Wed Nov 1 19:23:01 2006 From: lala.land at freenet.de (lala) Date: Wed Nov 1 19:22:37 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] DeMudi In-Reply-To: <4547BEDF.9040502@tobiah.org> References: <4547BEDF.9040502@tobiah.org> Message-ID: <45493A65.2070907@freenet.de> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 st schrieb: > I am going to put either Fedora Core, or AGNULA on a laptop that > will be used for recording sound. Any comments? > > Thanks, > > Toby > > dont have much experience with agnula... i use SuSE with jacklab kernel... but currently downloading www.64studio.com :D lets see ;) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFFSTpkh0Sf8rYIKd8RAqIlAJ9KAziCMezOOLVLtv/pa5ZZsV0/hwCfQ/K/ daIEfV186lEI5GfE5N+SONs= =Zvxo -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From jmacdermott at dopd.com Wed Nov 1 19:42:27 2006 From: jmacdermott at dopd.com (jmacdermott@dopd.com) Date: Wed Nov 1 19:42:37 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Radio Interference problems when recording Message-ID: <1162428147.45493ef36d809@ssl.mecca.ca> This is a bit OT, but since I do all my recording on Linux machines, I thought I'd see if anyone on the list can help... I used to do all my recording in a basement, but since we've moved I got a new computer setup in our finished attic. 64studio is loaded on it (and works GREAT out of the box on my HP Athlon 64), and everything was working tickety-boo, audio running in and out of my M-Audio 1010LT via an old, beat-up, road-weary 16-channel mixing panel. This basic setup (different computer and distro, same sound card, cables, mics, etc.) was working fine at the old place in the basement. But now when I plug my mics (ie: Shure SM58) via XLR into the panel, I hear a LOT of radio interference. I never used to get any of this. My first thought is that the location (way up in the air) is what is causing it. I already tried the cheapest/quickest/easiest fix, new cables. That made no change. I will try plugging the unit into another outlet and see if that helps. I have the following questions for the more experienced readers on the list: 1) Could it be my beat-up old board? Does a newer, better board (ie: modern Mackie, etc.) have fewer problems with RF? (I know it would be quieter!) 2) I'm afraid that the RF might be coming through the power lines. Any tips on eliminating this? 3) Is the location of my equipment (3rd storey attic) an issue? Any way around this without shielding the entire roof? :-P Thanks for any help! Jay From tdhoward at gmail.com Wed Nov 1 20:10:45 2006 From: tdhoward at gmail.com (Tim Howard) Date: Wed Nov 1 20:11:02 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Radio Interference problems when recording In-Reply-To: <1162428147.45493ef36d809@ssl.mecca.ca> References: <1162428147.45493ef36d809@ssl.mecca.ca> Message-ID: On 11/1/06, jmacdermott@dopd.com wrote: > This basic setup (different computer and distro, same sound card, cables, mics, > etc.) was working fine at the old place in the basement. But now when I plug > my mics (ie: Shure SM58) via XLR into the panel, I hear a LOT of radio > interference. I never used to get any of this. > > My first thought is that the location (way up in the air) is what is causing it. > I already tried the cheapest/quickest/easiest fix, new cables. That made no > change. > > I will try plugging the unit into another outlet and see if that helps. I have > the following questions for the more experienced readers on the list: > > 1) Could it be my beat-up old board? Does a newer, better board (ie: modern > Mackie, etc.) have fewer problems with RF? (I know it would be quieter!) > > 2) I'm afraid that the RF might be coming through the power lines. Any tips on > eliminating this? > > 3) Is the location of my equipment (3rd storey attic) an issue? Any way around > this without shielding the entire roof? :-P > > Thanks for any help! Jay > Are you hearing radio stations, 60 Hz hum, static, or what? Are you near florescent lighting? (like in the floor under your feet...) -TimH From capocasa at gmx.net Wed Nov 1 20:24:16 2006 From: capocasa at gmx.net (Carlo Capocasa) Date: Wed Nov 1 20:23:38 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Help me set the volume for Freebob, please! In-Reply-To: <45492B3C.7090507@monom.org> References: <4548F6F4.4090200@monom.org> <45492B3C.7090507@monom.org> Message-ID: > The thing is not the length of the program or the how you would to use > it even if it were dirty. The problem is to figure out what kind of AV/C > command has to be send to which subunit etc. Though I have access to the > documentation this is still not an easy thing to find out. Since you > seem extremely eager to get something I'll try to look into it asap. But > no promise it will be available soon. LOL! Oh man I'm like a kid IN FRONT of a candy store. Well, reason being: I got this great device, got my web site set up, wrote a GREAT song (I believe it has hit potential in Switzerland, no exaggeration), sequenced an AWESOME beat, wrote some fantastic lyrics, and now I can't record it because my device volume is too low and the background hiss would ruin the fun on the big club amps I intend my song to be played on. Oh yeah, did I mention it was done with free software according to the most purist standards? You bet I'm eager. Carlo PS: I didn't mention yet that my future survival depends on my success in the newly-born free music industry and my ability to play gigs. From capocasa at gmx.net Wed Nov 1 20:27:42 2006 From: capocasa at gmx.net (Carlo Capocasa) Date: Wed Nov 1 20:31:17 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Help me set the volume for Freebob, please! In-Reply-To: <45492B3C.7090507@monom.org> References: <4548F6F4.4090200@monom.org> <45492B3C.7090507@monom.org> Message-ID: > seem extremely eager to get something I'll try to look into it asap. But I should mention: Volume control for the first input channel would be enough to get me started. From gnome at hawaii.rr.com Wed Nov 1 21:12:40 2006 From: gnome at hawaii.rr.com (david) Date: Wed Nov 1 21:12:56 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Radio Interference problems when recording In-Reply-To: <1162428147.45493ef36d809@ssl.mecca.ca> References: <1162428147.45493ef36d809@ssl.mecca.ca> Message-ID: <45495418.3080907@hawaii.rr.com> jmacdermott@dopd.com wrote: > This is a bit OT, but since I do all my recording on Linux machines, I thought > I'd see if anyone on the list can help... > > I used to do all my recording in a basement, but since we've moved I got a new > computer setup in our finished attic. 64studio is loaded on it (and works > GREAT out of the box on my HP Athlon 64), and everything was working > tickety-boo, audio running in and out of my M-Audio 1010LT via an old, beat-up, > road-weary 16-channel mixing panel. > > This basic setup (different computer and distro, same sound card, cables, mics, > etc.) was working fine at the old place in the basement. But now when I plug > my mics (ie: Shure SM58) via XLR into the panel, I hear a LOT of radio > interference. I never used to get any of this. > > My first thought is that the location (way up in the air) is what is causing it. > I already tried the cheapest/quickest/easiest fix, new cables. That made no > change. Double check all of your connecting cables to make sure that each of them is OK. My band has found new cables that had sloppy soldering jobs that generated neat, mysterious hums. > I will try plugging the unit into another outlet and see if that helps. I have > the following questions for the more experienced readers on the list: > > 1) Could it be my beat-up old board? Does a newer, better board (ie: modern > Mackie, etc.) have fewer problems with RF? (I know it would be quieter!) Possibly. I'd try some RF filters first - cheaper (see below). > 2) I'm afraid that the RF might be coming through the power lines. Any tips on > eliminating this? Check your local electronics places for RF filters. A number of power strips or surge protectors include them. > 3) Is the location of my equipment (3rd storey attic) an issue? Possibly, if there are any radio broadcast antenna around the area. I used to work for a company that occupied the 15th floor of one building. Several blocks to the east of it was a broadcast tower with several radio station antennae on it. Any computer monitor on that side of the building suffered from what we called "televators" - a narrow horizontal ripple that slowly ascended from bottom to top. The same monitor on the other side of the building wouldn't have the problem. The monitors were shielded, it was just that we were so close to the tower. If you're in that situation, you might have to see about shielding your attic. -- David gnome@hawaii.rr.com authenticity, honesty, community From wagi at monom.org Thu Nov 2 03:32:13 2006 From: wagi at monom.org (Daniel Wagner) Date: Thu Nov 2 03:32:24 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Help me set the volume for Freebob, please! In-Reply-To: References: <4548F6F4.4090200@monom.org> <45492B3C.7090507@monom.org> Message-ID: <4549AD0D.3090108@monom.org> > You bet I'm eager. Hehe, you know how to make pressure, right? :) Since your convenience standard regarding controlling the device is not that high (even recompiling for new settings is not a problem) this can be done in quick and dirty way. cheers, daniel From ka1iic at prexar.com Thu Nov 2 09:49:44 2006 From: ka1iic at prexar.com (Vince Werber) Date: Thu Nov 2 09:49:47 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Radio Interference problems when recording In-Reply-To: <1162428147.45493ef36d809@ssl.mecca.ca> References: <1162428147.45493ef36d809@ssl.mecca.ca> Message-ID: HI... What you are experiencing is called rectification... a major pain but fixable with a little work... And yes your basement was sheilding you from the radio signals. but that is moot in this case... You were right to check your cables but have you checked your connectors for dirt and corrotion(sp) ?? You may need to buy some ferrite beads and place them on the cables where they break out to your sound panels... generally you wind it around the hot leads (not the ground) and reconnect them to there respective terminals... Allot of work... yes... but it will work... Also... high impedence mikes etc tend to do this more that balanced 600 ohm runs so you might want to check that out... More when I get the coffee into me :-) vince ka1iic@prexar.com > This is a bit OT, but since I do all my recording on Linux machines, I thought > I'd see if anyone on the list can help... > > I used to do all my recording in a basement, but since we've moved I got a new > computer setup in our finished attic. 64studio is loaded on it (and works > GREAT out of the box on my HP Athlon 64), and everything was working > tickety-boo, audio running in and out of my M-Audio 1010LT via an old, beat-up, > road-weary 16-channel mixing panel. > > This basic setup (different computer and distro, same sound card, cables, mics, > etc.) was working fine at the old place in the basement. But now when I plug > my mics (ie: Shure SM58) via XLR into the panel, I hear a LOT of radio > interference. I never used to get any of this. > > My first thought is that the location (way up in the air) is what is causing it. > I already tried the cheapest/quickest/easiest fix, new cables. That made no > change. > > I will try plugging the unit into another outlet and see if that helps. I have > the following questions for the more experienced readers on the list: > > 1) Could it be my beat-up old board? Does a newer, better board (ie: modern > Mackie, etc.) have fewer problems with RF? (I know it would be quieter!) > > 2) I'm afraid that the RF might be coming through the power lines. Any tips on > eliminating this? > > 3) Is the location of my equipment (3rd storey attic) an issue? Any way around > this without shielding the entire roof? :-P > > Thanks for any help! Jay > From tdhoward at gmail.com Thu Nov 2 11:10:30 2006 From: tdhoward at gmail.com (Tim Howard) Date: Thu Nov 2 11:10:39 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Trying to compile VST support in Ardour Message-ID: Hello, I have compiled fst 1.8 (correctly, I think), and now I'm trying to recompile Ardour 0.99.2 with VST support. These are the errors I'm getting: [root@localhost ardour-0.99.2]# scons VST=1 VSTPATH=/usr/local/bin scons: Reading SConscript files ... Package libfst was not found in the pkg-config search path. Perhaps you should add the directory containing `libfst.pc' to the PKG_CONFIG_PATH environment variable No package 'libfst' found ... In the documentation for fst on Joe Button's site, it says: 5) Optional: To build Ardour 0.99.x with FST support : Copy the SC* files from the Ardour directory into your Ardour build path, then compile Ardour with these options : scons VST=1 VSTPATH=/path/to/compiled/fst I have copied fst and fst.exe.so to /usr/local/bin, and as far as I can tell, fst works perfectly by itself. What is going on here? Should libfst have been created, or is Ardour looking for something from an outdated version of fst? Any help would be much appreciated! -TimH From b0ef at esben-stien.name Thu Nov 2 07:51:08 2006 From: b0ef at esben-stien.name (Esben Stien) Date: Thu Nov 2 11:32:11 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] VOIP and JACK In-Reply-To: <20061029230440.GA11825@replic.net> (carmen's message of "Sun, 29 Oct 2006 23:04:40 +0000") References: <87y7qymy3o.fsf@esben-stien.name> <20061029230440.GA11825@replic.net> Message-ID: <87fyd2ggg3.fsf@esben-stien.name> carmen <_@whats-your.name> writes: > does that require OSS emulation? For the moment; only thing that works for me without too much problems is twinkle. > sounds like a lot of work. Not really, it's just compiling a firing up oss2jack, but it's not a clean solution and it has its limitations. > is there a good wiki entry on using oss2jack? After I compile it and load the kfusd module, I: #mv /dev/dsp /dev/dsp-org #ln -s /dev/dsp5 /dev/dsp $oss2jack -V -n 5 > twinkle doesnt work with plug:jack I have found plug:jack to not work with anything. My setup is 96kHz and that's the reason for a lot of it. > something that just autoconnects Auto connection is evil, pure evil, as in the fruits of the devil;). > maybe a small ncurses daemon A jacked daemon, then have your choice of client to use;). > you can use asterisk as a softphone Yeah, I did use that before with oss2jack. I'm happily a non asterisk user now, cause that piece of software has got some serious vitamin b deficiencies;). I use freeswitch at the time. > ekiga isnt perfect, i get nothing but silence My mother uses ekiga without problems, but that's ALSA. > you cant run asterisk and ekiga on the same host without manualy > overring the port 5060 Well, sure, the server should have 5060 and all clients can have whatever. > VOIP on linux? totall sucks . as a user.. It's a little jungle;), but much works without JACK. -- Esben Stien is b0ef@e s a http://www. s t n m irc://irc. b - i . e/%23contact sip:b0ef@ e e jid:b0ef@ n n From t_w_ at freenet.de Thu Nov 2 08:09:33 2006 From: t_w_ at freenet.de (Thorsten Wilms) Date: Thu Nov 2 12:14:28 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Sad Angel (n) In-Reply-To: <20061101225645.52eff5d5@localhost> References: <20061101225645.52eff5d5@localhost> Message-ID: <20061102130933.GA6048@charly.SWORD> On Wed, Nov 01, 2006 at 10:56:45PM +0000, Folderol wrote: > Well, I just knew I would still be dissatisfied with this, so I've > tried again. > > One day I'll get it right - but probably only for one day :( > > Actually I've changed the voices quite a bit this time, and sort of > rediscovered harmonies that had got lost. > > Here is the (n)th version. > > (I don't know. I've lost count) > > http://www.musically.me.uk/music/Sad_Angel.ogg Sheesh, you really make one want to download this ... ;) This piece makes me expect movements like I know from church music, but they just don't happen. Should come down to some inbetween-notes. Being rather ignorant in that area, I wouldn't know how to be more specific. Keeping to a specific style, fullfilling cliches ... not necessarily a good thing, but in this case it would be quite fitting, I think. -- Thorsten Wilms From paul at linuxaudiosystems.com Thu Nov 2 13:14:20 2006 From: paul at linuxaudiosystems.com (Paul Davis) Date: Thu Nov 2 13:16:02 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Trying to compile VST support in Ardour In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1162491260.26663.84.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Thu, 2006-11-02 at 08:10 -0800, Tim Howard wrote: > Hello, > > I have compiled fst 1.8 (correctly, I think), and now I'm trying to > recompile Ardour 0.99.2 with VST support. These are the errors I'm > getting: Ardour 0.99 cannot use newer versions of FST. FST was redesigned to use a completely different approach that makes it Wine-version-agnostic. If you really want VST support in Ardour 0.99, you need to get old versions of everything (wine, fst, VST SDK). And you need to like pain. It is significantly easier to build VST support for Ardour 2.0 (see http://ardour.org/building_vst_support), but 2.0 is still very much in beta now (though stabilizing nicely). --p From Stuart.Allie at hydro.com.au Thu Nov 2 17:23:10 2006 From: Stuart.Allie at hydro.com.au (Stuart Allie) Date: Thu Nov 2 17:26:53 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Struggling with jack_convolve Message-ID: <125CC89D8E2DC84DA44D812598376752012597B6@swhexprod.hydrotasmania.com.au> Hi all, I've just started playing with jack_convolve and I'm having a few problems. If I run the program with the default gain factor (1.0) and a room-type impulse, the output is horribly clipped - it clips on even a small input signal. In order to get a clean output, I have to reduce the gain to something like 0.01. Is that normal/expected behaviour? It seems odd that the default gain would be 1.0 if a useful value is around 0.01... For the record, I tried a bunch of different impulses from noisevault.com, all giving the same result. Cheers, Stuart ------------------------------------- allie.opensrc.org stuart _dot_ allie _AT_ (gee)mail.com ------------------------------------- From fons.adriaensen at skynet.be Thu Nov 2 17:49:02 2006 From: fons.adriaensen at skynet.be (Fons Adriaensen) Date: Thu Nov 2 17:46:38 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Struggling with jack_convolve In-Reply-To: <125CC89D8E2DC84DA44D812598376752012597B6@swhexprod.hydrotasmania.com.au> References: <125CC89D8E2DC84DA44D812598376752012597B6@swhexprod.hydrotasmania.com.au> Message-ID: <20061102224902.GH7287@linux-1.site> On Fri, Nov 03, 2006 at 09:23:10AM +1100, Stuart Allie wrote: > I've just started playing with jack_convolve and I'm having a few > problems. If I run the program with the default gain factor (1.0) and a > room-type impulse, the output is horribly clipped - it clips on even a > small input signal. In order to get a clean output, I have to reduce the > gain to something like 0.01. Is that normal/expected behaviour? It seems > odd that the default gain would be 1.0 if a useful value is around > 0.01... It depends on the energy in the IR. If it is a single strong pulse followed by much lower samples, then a gain of 1 should work. If the IR contains a lot of high amplitude samples, you will have to reduce the gain. You may want to have a look at JACE : http://users.skynet.be/solaris/linuxaudio -- FA Lascia la spina, cogli la rosa. From mista.tapas at gmx.net Thu Nov 2 20:03:42 2006 From: mista.tapas at gmx.net (Florian Schmidt) Date: Thu Nov 2 20:03:55 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Struggling with jack_convolve In-Reply-To: <20061102224902.GH7287@linux-1.site> References: <125CC89D8E2DC84DA44D812598376752012597B6@swhexprod.hydrotasmania.com.au> <20061102224902.GH7287@linux-1.site> Message-ID: <200611030203.43013.mista.tapas@gmx.net> On Thursday 02 November 2006 23:49, Fons Adriaensen wrote: > On Fri, Nov 03, 2006 at 09:23:10AM +1100, Stuart Allie wrote: > > I've just started playing with jack_convolve and I'm having a few > > problems. If I run the program with the default gain factor (1.0) and a > > room-type impulse, the output is horribly clipped - it clips on even a > > small input signal. In order to get a clean output, I have to reduce the > > gain to something like 0.01. Is that normal/expected behaviour? It seems > > odd that the default gain would be 1.0 if a useful value is around > > 0.01... > > It depends on the energy in the IR. If it is a single strong pulse > followed by much lower samples, then a gain of 1 should work. If the > IR contains a lot of high amplitude samples, you will have to reduce > the gain. > > You may want to have a look at JACE : > > http://users.skynet.be/solaris/linuxaudio And i have to admit that i'm not sure that i got the gain thing right in jack_convolve. So, as, contrary to me, Fons knows what he's doing, try his JACE :) I will, too ;) I only wrote jack_convolve because it seemed faster to do to me than understanding/using brutefir's config files (back in the days when brutefir was the only usable convolution engine existing. And it still has millions more features than jack_convolve) ;) Flo -- Palimm Palimm! http://tapas.affenbande.org From tdhoward at gmail.com Thu Nov 2 21:55:49 2006 From: tdhoward at gmail.com (Tim Howard) Date: Thu Nov 2 21:56:26 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Trying to compile VST support in Ardour In-Reply-To: <1162491260.26663.84.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1162491260.26663.84.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: On 11/2/06, Paul Davis wrote: > Ardour 0.99 cannot use newer versions of FST. FST was redesigned to use > a completely different approach that makes it Wine-version-agnostic. > > If you really want VST support in Ardour 0.99, you need to get old > versions of everything (wine, fst, VST SDK). And you need to like pain. > > It is significantly easier to build VST support for Ardour 2.0 (see > http://ardour.org/building_vst_support), but 2.0 is still very much in > beta now (though stabilizing nicely). > That explains a lot. Thanks for the info! <...downloading 2.0 beta 6.2...> BTW, I like the new ardour logo... -TimH From nomoa at wanadoo.fr Fri Nov 3 07:52:36 2006 From: nomoa at wanadoo.fr (David Causse) Date: Fri Nov 3 07:52:10 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] PC Keyboard questions Message-ID: <454B3B94.8020405@wanadoo.fr> Hi, I plan to make live music with a computer. My problem is I want to control the PC with the PC keyboard. Freewheeling permits to control with the PC keyboard. My keyboard have some annoying limitations for example I can press at the same time the letters 'azer', 'qsdf', 'uiop' but I am unable to press 'rtyu' at the same time, nothing is printed. I guess it is due to some limitations in its design. I'm afraid it's a hardware issue and I won't find an easy workaround. I'm also afraid that this special use of a keyboard is not the mind of manufacturers... So what solutions do I have? - keyboard macros : good idea but I will have to predefine everything and I consider it as a limitation for improvisation. - use only keys that works together, same here - find a keyboard that works well : good idea, how to find it, how can I explain to a pc resellers my needs... - use midi controllers : the best professional solution, but it's to much expensive... and I like the idea to make music with minimal requirements. So do you thing there is some good designed keyboard to perform this kind of stuff? Can some of you test their keyboard by opening a xterm and press at the same time 'rtyu' and see if all letters are printed and whenever they press more than one letter key all are printed in the term? Maybe gamers should be more aware of this kind of problem :) Thank you. David. From paul at linuxaudiosystems.com Fri Nov 3 08:37:56 2006 From: paul at linuxaudiosystems.com (Paul Davis) Date: Fri Nov 3 08:38:23 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] PC Keyboard questions In-Reply-To: <454B3B94.8020405@wanadoo.fr> References: <454B3B94.8020405@wanadoo.fr> Message-ID: <1162561076.26663.127.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Fri, 2006-11-03 at 13:52 +0100, David Causse wrote: > Hi, > > I plan to make live music with a computer. My problem is I want to > control the PC with the PC keyboard. Freewheeling permits to control > with the PC keyboard. > > My keyboard have some annoying limitations for example I can press at > the same time the letters 'azer', 'qsdf', 'uiop' but I am unable to > press 'rtyu' at the same time, nothing is printed. I guess it is due to > some limitations in its design. I'm afraid it's a hardware issue and I > won't find an easy workaround. I'm also afraid that this special use of > a keyboard is not the mind of manufacturers... it is in fact a hardware problem. AFAIK, it is common in some form to every keyboard ever made, although the precise impossible combinations vary when you compare things like a Sun keyboard to a standard PC one. its caused by the "matrix" below the keys - its like a bus system in which several keys share the same bus. if one of them is using the bus, the others can't. --p From cucullin at wtfisthat.net Fri Nov 3 10:29:51 2006 From: cucullin at wtfisthat.net (Joseph M. Gaffney) Date: Fri Nov 3 10:47:20 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] New A/V Workstation Message-ID: <200611031029.51811.cucullin@wtfisthat.net> All, Very shortly I plan on building out my new workstation, specifically for audio and video editing and production. Might do some music, but mostly speech content on the audio side of things. The video will be mostly video of presentations, but may be some more intensive items. Here's the basic idea right now: 4U Rack Mount Case - From New Egg, like $70-$80. Intel Mobo - Not sure which one, anything with a decent amount of PCI slots available I suppose Intel Proc - I'm probably going to go for a Core 2 Duo I suppose. Best I can afford. Ram - 2GB or greater, Crucial or some such Hard drives - SATA, atleast 3, 2 of which would be mirrored (data drive). Looking at 250GB or greater for those. Audio Card - M-Audio Delta 66 most likely, but possibly the 1010 if I can swing it. Audio Hardware - I've got an AT849 boundary mic, a few SM57's, etc., which will be going through an ART TPS II mic pre. That should cover me on audio, whether I'm doing speech, or mic'ing up the piano, etc. Video Card - Having a bit of an issue here. I'm borderline zealot, and REALLY want to stick with Intel here due to their pledge of open source drivers... but it seems to me that noone is making an intel based standalone video card anymore - only on the mobo. Display - I'd like to stick to CRT for color correction issues, but I do worry a bit about any noise because of a CRT monitor. Also, since my intent is to go widescreen... I dunno. Maybe I should just go LCD from the start. Video Hardware - I've got a canon elura 1-chip minidv camcorder, a sony 3 chip with horrible audio, and access to recordings from the new canon hdv camcorder. Plus whatever else I get my hands on through work :) Control Surface - I'd LOVE to be able to use something like the new TASCAM FW-1082, but I have no idea how well any control surfaces work with Linux. Software-wise, I'm a KDE guy, but I'll probably be using Ardour, jack, Cinellera/Kino, so on. I don't know how KDENLiVES is working nowadays, I'll have to test it out. Probably use Kubuntu, though I might go the Gentoo route. So anyone have any recommendations for me? Better heat sinks to reduce fan noise, mobo, vid card, etc? Know a control system that works nicely? I've been through most of the FAQ's and such, just looking for input from the general user community :) Thanks, -Joseph M. Gaffney aka CuCullin From daneasley at gmail.com Fri Nov 3 11:14:00 2006 From: daneasley at gmail.com (Dan Easley) Date: Fri Nov 3 11:14:08 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] PC Keyboard questions In-Reply-To: <454B3B94.8020405@wanadoo.fr> References: <454B3B94.8020405@wanadoo.fr> Message-ID: On 11/3/06, David Causse wrote: > Hi, > > I plan to make live music with a computer. My problem is I want to > control the PC with the PC keyboard. Freewheeling permits to control > with the PC keyboard. > > My keyboard have some annoying limitations for example I can press at > the same time the letters 'azer', 'qsdf', 'uiop' but I am unable to > press 'rtyu' at the same time, nothing is printed. I guess it is due to Paul's right on regarding inherent limitations in the PC keyboard protocol. I'm not sure how you're using Freewheeling - for instance, if you've set it to play loops while the keys are pressed down, but not when they're released, this won't help, but - in the standard config, with tap tempo and sync on, I've been able to start/stop multiple loops "at once" by sort of rolling my hand across the keys I want to hit - so that I'm not hitting the keys at the same time, but within a short enough span of time that it's still musical. Ultimately, the cheap midi foot controllers now available make it an easier system to work with, simply because it frees one's hands to play instruments, gesture wildly, etc. -- daneasley@gmail.com dan@towndowner.com dan@burntpossum.com http://towndowner.com http://burntpossum.com From riwright at vt.edu Fri Nov 3 12:52:11 2006 From: riwright at vt.edu (Rick Wright) Date: Fri Nov 3 12:52:33 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Looking for a Simple(ish) WAV editor In-Reply-To: References: <454B3B94.8020405@wanadoo.fr> Message-ID: <454B81CB.6040802@vt.edu> Greetings, I am looking for a WAV file editor that will do just a few basic things. Ideally, the editor would allow precise cutting/pasting without introducing gaps/silence, selection reversal, high/low pass filtering, and (hopefully) cross-fading between segment interfaces at the cut/paste points. I'd like to be able to export these as 32bit float WAV's. For the interested, all I'm trying to do is to cut out sections of various noise recordings (that don't have voices or other undesirables) and create clips/samples that I can filter the very lowest <15Hz frequencies from, so the result can be looped by a player without getting "clicks/pops" at the loop wraparound. Ultimately creating a library of "continuous" souces of various noise sources. So far I've tried: 1) Audacity, which seems to meet my needs, but I can't figure out how to tell it *not* to add ~3 secs of silence at the end when I export the finished product. 2) Ardour2 (latest beta), but here we have a situation with a far more capable application than user. I believe this app would be overkill for my needs and the learning curve looks steep. 3) a few Win32 shareware (cr)apps. Before I wade into the many GNU/Linux options in the GNU/Linux community (I'll probably start in the list found here: http://sound.condorow.net/snded.html), I had hoped some of the more experienced members of this list might point me in promising directions. Another avenue to possibly meet my goal could be to use a player (must be JACK compatible) that can play continuously and cross-fade between tracks, but have only the single WAV file in the playlist, thus effectively looping w/cross-fading. I would appreciate any guidance here as well. (In this case, I would still need to filter the low frequencies from the WAV file, so I'd still need some sort of editor.) Thanks in advance for any help, Rick From georg.holzmann at student.kug.ac.at Fri Nov 3 13:56:04 2006 From: georg.holzmann at student.kug.ac.at (Georg Holzmann) Date: Fri Nov 3 12:55:04 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Looking for a Simple(ish) WAV editor In-Reply-To: <454B81CB.6040802@vt.edu> References: <454B3B94.8020405@wanadoo.fr> <454B81CB.6040802@vt.edu> Message-ID: <454B90C4.3080408@student.kug.ac.at> Hallo! > 1) Audacity, which seems to meet my needs, but I can't figure out how to > tell it *not* to add ~3 secs of silence at the end when I export the > finished product. really ? You could also try Rezound ! LG Georg From idragosani at gmail.com Fri Nov 3 12:56:38 2006 From: idragosani at gmail.com (Brett W. McCoy) Date: Fri Nov 3 12:57:45 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Looking for a Simple(ish) WAV editor In-Reply-To: <454B81CB.6040802@vt.edu> References: <454B3B94.8020405@wanadoo.fr> <454B81CB.6040802@vt.edu> Message-ID: <18b65aac0611030956x6fa17d94j83cfd621b65242e6@mail.gmail.com> On 11/3/06, Rick Wright wrote: > I am looking for a WAV file editor that will do just a few basic > things. Ideally, the editor would allow precise cutting/pasting without > introducing gaps/silence, selection reversal, high/low pass filtering, > and (hopefully) cross-fading between segment interfaces at the cut/paste > points. I'd like to be able to export these as 32bit float WAV's. ReZound! -- Brett McCoy: Programmer by Day, Guitarist by Night http://www.alhazred.com http://www.cassandrasyndrome.com http://www.revelmoon.com From nomoa at wanadoo.fr Fri Nov 3 13:00:44 2006 From: nomoa at wanadoo.fr (David Causse) Date: Fri Nov 3 13:00:30 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] PC Keyboard questions In-Reply-To: References: <454B3B94.8020405@wanadoo.fr> Message-ID: <454B83CC.9080601@wanadoo.fr> > > Paul's right on regarding inherent limitations in the PC keyboard > protocol. > > I'm not sure how you're using Freewheeling - for instance, if you've > set it to play loops while the keys are pressed down, but not when > they're released, this won't help, but - in the standard config, with > tap tempo and sync on, I've been able to start/stop multiple loops "at > once" by sort of rolling my hand across the keys I want to hit - so > that I'm not hitting the keys at the same time, but within a short > enough span of time that it's still musical. > > Ultimately, the cheap midi foot controllers now available make it an > easier system to work with, simply because it frees one's hands to > play instruments, gesture wildly, etc. > Yes I tried to roll, but it's very difficult in some condition and sometimes one or more loops doesn't start due to this keyboard limitiation. Maybe I should work on this more like learning a new instrument... Also, I don't make music alone it's impossible for what I want to do, one control, one play and vice versa, I don't plan to make music like with a jamin guitar pedal effect. I don't know exactly how I will achieve this, maybe by learning more precisely my keyboard behaviour and configure the look of freewheeling to help me in that way. I want to be able to make the music evolutive and it's the main reason why I need to activate/desactivate multiple loops. I don't know how to explain clearly what I want to do, maybe I could define it as a mix of dj style music (with predefined loops samples a la dj shadow) and instrumentals to be short. I hope freewheeling will help me in the way to make it impossible to distinghish what was instrumental (played live) and what comes from samples. David. From _ at whats-your.name Fri Nov 3 13:03:15 2006 From: _ at whats-your.name (carmen) Date: Fri Nov 3 13:03:20 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Looking for a Simple(ish) WAV editor In-Reply-To: <454B90C4.3080408@student.kug.ac.at> Message-ID: <20061103180315.GA27355@replic.net> On Fri Nov 03, 2006 at 07:56:04PM +0100, Georg Holzmann wrote: > Hallo! > > >1) Audacity, which seems to meet my needs, but I can't figure out how to tell it *not* to add ~3 secs of silence at the end when I export the finished product. > > really ? > > You could also try Rezound ! or Sweep, or MHWaveedit, or Snd-ls, or GNUSound, or wavesurfer, or ecawave the only one that works properly with jack is MH, and theo nly one you have a feleeting chance of doing that loop playback thing you mentioned is snd/ecawave, but youll proably haev to learn a bit of elisp or scheme first.. for the actual loop playback, id paorbly use sooperlooper (or pd if youre on x86_32) > > LG > Georg > From paniq at paniq.org Fri Nov 3 14:32:09 2006 From: paniq at paniq.org (Leonard "paniq" Ritter) Date: Fri Nov 3 14:36:47 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Looking for a Simple(ish) WAV editor In-Reply-To: <454B81CB.6040802@vt.edu> References: <454B3B94.8020405@wanadoo.fr> <454B81CB.6040802@vt.edu> Message-ID: <1162582329.14264.4.camel@localhost> have a look at rezound first. newest version at least properly supports alsa. it doesn't use my favorite gui toolkit, but it's really pop. On Fri, 2006-11-03 at 12:52 -0500, Rick Wright wrote: > Greetings, > > I am looking for a WAV file editor that will do just a few basic > things. Ideally, the editor would allow precise cutting/pasting without > introducing gaps/silence, selection reversal, high/low pass filtering, > and (hopefully) cross-fading between segment interfaces at the cut/paste > points. I'd like to be able to export these as 32bit float WAV's. > > For the interested, all I'm trying to do is to cut out sections of > various noise recordings (that don't have voices or other undesirables) > and create clips/samples that I can filter the very lowest <15Hz > frequencies from, so the result can be looped by a player without > getting "clicks/pops" at the loop wraparound. Ultimately creating a > library of "continuous" souces of various noise sources. > > > So far I've tried: > 1) Audacity, which seems to meet my needs, but I can't figure out how to > tell it *not* to add ~3 secs of silence at the end when I export the > finished product. > 2) Ardour2 (latest beta), but here we have a situation with a far more > capable application than user. I believe this app would be overkill for > my needs and the learning curve looks steep. > 3) a few Win32 shareware (cr)apps. > > > Before I wade into the many GNU/Linux options in the GNU/Linux community > (I'll probably start in the list found here: > http://sound.condorow.net/snded.html), I had hoped some of the more > experienced members of this list might point me in promising directions. > > > Another avenue to possibly meet my goal could be to use a player (must > be JACK compatible) that can play continuously and cross-fade between > tracks, but have only the single WAV file in the playlist, thus > effectively looping w/cross-fading. I would appreciate any guidance > here as well. (In this case, I would still need to filter the low > frequencies from the WAV file, so I'd still need some sort of editor.) > > > Thanks in advance for any help, > Rick -- -- Leonard Ritter -- http://www.leonard-ritter.com -- http://www.paniq.org From gnome at hawaii.rr.com Fri Nov 3 15:15:57 2006 From: gnome at hawaii.rr.com (david) Date: Fri Nov 3 15:16:09 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] New A/V Workstation In-Reply-To: <200611031029.51811.cucullin@wtfisthat.net> References: <200611031029.51811.cucullin@wtfisthat.net> Message-ID: <454BA37D.5080204@hawaii.rr.com> Joseph M. Gaffney wrote: > Display - I'd like to stick to CRT for color correction issues, but I do worry > a bit about any noise because of a CRT monitor. Also, since my intent is to > go widescreen... I dunno. Maybe I should just go LCD from the start. You can color-correct LCDs, too, as far as I know. At least the companies that make equipment etc for doing it on CRTs claim to be able to. -- David gnome@hawaii.rr.com authenticity, honesty, community From cucullin at wtfisthat.net Fri Nov 3 15:17:27 2006 From: cucullin at wtfisthat.net (Joseph M. Gaffney) Date: Fri Nov 3 15:34:43 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] New A/V Workstation In-Reply-To: <454BA37D.5080204@hawaii.rr.com> References: <200611031029.51811.cucullin@wtfisthat.net> <454BA37D.5080204@hawaii.rr.com> Message-ID: <200611031517.27618.cucullin@wtfisthat.net> On Friday 03 November 2006 15:15, david wrote: > Joseph M. Gaffney wrote: > > Display - I'd like to stick to CRT for color correction issues, but I do > > worry a bit about any noise because of a CRT monitor. Also, since my > > intent is to go widescreen... I dunno. Maybe I should just go LCD from > > the start. > > You can color-correct LCDs, too, as far as I know. At least the > companies that make equipment etc for doing it on CRTs claim to be able to. Hmmm... might be time to upgrade my spider :-/ -Joseph M. Gaffney From k.s.matheussen at notam02.no Fri Nov 3 15:38:17 2006 From: k.s.matheussen at notam02.no (Kjetil S. Matheussen) Date: Fri Nov 3 15:38:54 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Looking for a Simple(ish) WAV editor In-Reply-To: <20061103201617.681063D76FA2@music.columbia.edu> References: <20061103201617.681063D76FA2@music.columbia.edu> Message-ID: carmen: > > On Fri Nov 03, 2006 at 07:56:04PM +0100, Georg Holzmann wrote: >> Hallo! >> >>> 1) Audacity, which seems to meet my needs, but I can't figure out how to tell it *not* to add ~3 secs of silence at the end when I export the finished product. >> >> really ? >> >> You could also try Rezound ! > > or Sweep, or MHWaveedit, or Snd-ls, or GNUSound, or wavesurfer, or ecawave > > the only one that works properly with jack is MH, and theo nly one you What is not working properly with jack in Snd and Snd-ls? At least in Snd-ls, the jack support is almost perfectly programmed... (I think...) From _ at whats-your.name Fri Nov 3 15:53:50 2006 From: _ at whats-your.name (carmen) Date: Fri Nov 3 15:53:50 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Snd-ls linking In-Reply-To: References: <20061103201617.681063D76FA2@music.columbia.edu> Message-ID: <20061103205350.GC30496@replic.net> > What is not working properly with jack in Snd and Snd-ls? nothing :) ive experienced some stability (crash/freezeup) issues which tend to spread to jackd, however. given how fast the updates are coming, i should try again, my version is a few weeks old. to be fair, mhwaveedit carshes when exporting to mp3. > At least in Snd-ls, the jack support is almost perfectly programmed... (I think...) > > love that compiling/linking step on launch. never seen a program do that before. maybe in a few years, someone can release 'gentoo 2.0' where it compiles a program fresh on each launch From k.s.matheussen at notam02.no Fri Nov 3 16:17:05 2006 From: k.s.matheussen at notam02.no (Kjetil S. Matheussen) Date: Fri Nov 3 16:21:44 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Snd-ls linking Message-ID: carmen: >> What is not working properly with jack in Snd and Snd-ls? > > nothing :) ive experienced some stability (crash/freezeup) issues which > tend to spread to jackd, however. given how fast the updates are coming, > i should try again, my version is a few weeks old. to be fair, > mhwaveedit carshes when exporting to mp3. Yeah, I have experienced those crashes too. But I think it is because it runs out of memory, which doesn't work very well with jacks memory-locking policy. For snd, this problem is solved very easely by just calling memunlockall, but that shouldn't be done when running the realtime extension (and manually locking used memory is not very doable), so its a quite unsolvable problem. (Well, you could buy more memory, or snd+guile could be reprogrammed to use less memory, or the linux kernel could be more gentle with its killing-policy.) From lala.land at freenet.de Fri Nov 3 17:51:22 2006 From: lala.land at freenet.de (lala) Date: Fri Nov 3 17:51:01 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Looking for a Simple(ish) WAV editor In-Reply-To: <1162582329.14264.4.camel@localhost> References: <454B3B94.8020405@wanadoo.fr> <454B81CB.6040802@vt.edu> <1162582329.14264.4.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <454BC7EA.1060509@freenet.de> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Leonard "paniq" Ritter schrieb: > have a look at rezound first. newest version at least properly supports > alsa. it doesn't use my favorite gui toolkit, but it's really pop. > > On Fri, 2006-11-03 at 12:52 -0500, Rick Wright wrote: >> Greetings, >> >> I am looking for a WAV file editor that will do just a few basic >> things. Ideally, the editor would allow precise cutting/pasting without >> introducing gaps/silence, selection reversal, high/low pass filtering, >> and (hopefully) cross-fading between segment interfaces at the cut/paste >> points. I'd like to be able to export these as 32bit float WAV's. >> >> For the interested, all I'm trying to do is to cut out sections of >> various noise recordings (that don't have voices or other undesirables) >> and create clips/samples that I can filter the very lowest <15Hz >> frequencies from, so the result can be looped by a player without >> getting "clicks/pops" at the loop wraparound. Ultimately creating a >> library of "continuous" souces of various noise sources. >> >> >> So far I've tried: >> 1) Audacity, which seems to meet my needs, but I can't figure out how to >> tell it *not* to add ~3 secs of silence at the end when I export the >> finished product. >> 2) Ardour2 (latest beta), but here we have a situation with a far more >> capable application than user. I believe this app would be overkill for >> my needs and the learning curve looks steep. >> 3) a few Win32 shareware (cr)apps. >> >> >> Before I wade into the many GNU/Linux options in the GNU/Linux community >> (I'll probably start in the list found here: >> http://sound.condorow.net/snded.html), I had hoped some of the more >> experienced members of this list might point me in promising directions. >> >> >> Another avenue to possibly meet my goal could be to use a player (must >> be JACK compatible) that can play continuously and cross-fade between >> tracks, but have only the single WAV file in the playlist, thus >> effectively looping w/cross-fading. I would appreciate any guidance >> here as well. (In this case, I would still need to filter the low >> frequencies from the WAV file, so I'd still need some sort of editor.) >> >> >> Thanks in advance for any help, >> Rick audacity has some issues here too... i read a lot of some 'null' errors, different errors on different languages (same package) and so on... dont know if this is a packagers fault (packman.links2linux.de) or the software itself... -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFFS8fph0Sf8rYIKd8RAud1AJ0REf68Jarnfz9fAOOHfkFP+M4txACguljC jciID0rcZVk9KouSWY9Fabo= =jNS7 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From lanas at securenet.net Fri Nov 3 18:11:33 2006 From: lanas at securenet.net (lanas) Date: Fri Nov 3 18:10:07 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Making a CD... Message-ID: <20061103181133.4ba8a80f@mistral.stie> Folks, I have a few sketches I'd like to put on a CD so that it can be played in any CD player, computer or off-the-shelf. So I export from Ardour in .wav format. Usually I oggencode them but that's not OK for making a standard CD. So what format are the files on a CD ? There are picked-up by grip for instance as .wav files, but are they .wav on a CD ? If so, can I just put all my .wav files from Ardour ina directory, make an ISO image from that, and then burn the ISO on a RW CD ? Cheers. Al From daneasley at gmail.com Fri Nov 3 18:38:20 2006 From: daneasley at gmail.com (Dan Easley) Date: Fri Nov 3 18:38:29 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Making a CD... In-Reply-To: <20061103181133.4ba8a80f@mistral.stie> References: <20061103181133.4ba8a80f@mistral.stie> Message-ID: On 11/3/06, lanas wrote: > Folks, > > I have a few sketches I'd like to put on a CD so that it can be > played in any CD player, computer or off-the-shelf. > > So I export from Ardour in .wav format. Usually I oggencode them but > that's not OK for making a standard CD. So what format are the files > on a CD ? There are picked-up by grip for instance as .wav files, but > are they .wav on a CD ? If so, can I just put all my .wav files from > Ardour ina directory, make an ISO image from that, and then burn the > ISO on a RW CD ? > > Cheers. > Al > CD audio is stereo 44.1kHz 16-bit WAV format, but it's not a standard data filesystem. You'll need to use an audio cd burning program such as k3b to burn those wav files to audio cd. Some standalone players have trouble reading RW CD's - you might go with CD(+/-)R instead. -- daneasley@gmail.com dan@towndowner.com dan@burntpossum.com http://towndowner.com http://burntpossum.com From jh at brainiac.com Fri Nov 3 18:42:52 2006 From: jh at brainiac.com (Joe Hartley) Date: Fri Nov 3 18:43:02 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Making a CD... In-Reply-To: <20061103181133.4ba8a80f@mistral.stie> References: <20061103181133.4ba8a80f@mistral.stie> Message-ID: <20061103184252.d8328f82.jh@brainiac.com> On Fri, 3 Nov 2006 18:11:33 -0500 lanas wrote: > There are picked-up by grip for instance as .wav files, but > are they .wav on a CD ? If so, can I just put all my .wav files from > Ardour ina directory, make an ISO image from that, and then burn the > ISO on a RW CD ? No, ISO images are data CD formats. I'd either use a program like cd-roast or K3B to burn an audio disk, or make a TOC (table of contents) file and use cdrecord to make the audio disk. Since you're already familiar with Ardour, this might be of some use: http://ardour.org/manual/export/cdtoc A TOC file is a pretty simple thing that can be done quickly in a simple text editor if you want. Here's an example from a project of mine: CD_DA CD_TEXT { LANGUAGE_MAP { 0 : EN } LANGUAGE 0 { TITLE "Big Society 6" PERFORMER "Big Society" COMPOSER "" } } TRACK AUDIO COPY NO PRE_EMPHASIS CD_TEXT { LANGUAGE 0 { TITLE "Martyr's Life" PERFORMER "Big Society" COMPOSER "Tom Shields" } } PREGAP 00:02:00 FILE "/tape/BigSociety/MartyrsLife/MartyrsLife.wav" 0 TRACK AUDIO COPY NO PRE_EMPHASIS CD_TEXT { LANGUAGE 0 { TITLE "Dirty" PERFORMER "Big Society" COMPOSER "Tom Shields" } } PREGAP 00:02:00 FILE "/tape/BigSociety/Dirty/dirty.wav" 0 TRACK AUDIO COPY NO PRE_EMPHASIS CD_TEXT { LANGUAGE 0 { TITLE "Snails On the Move" PERFORMER "Big Society" COMPOSER "Tom Shields" } } PREGAP 00:02:00 FILE "/tape/BigSociety/SnailsOnTheMove/SnailsOnTheMove.wav" 0 .... and so on. -- ====================================================================== Joe Hartley - UNIX/network Consultant - jh@brainiac.com Without deviation from the norm, "progress" is not possible. - FZappa From lala.land at freenet.de Fri Nov 3 22:00:59 2006 From: lala.land at freenet.de (lala) Date: Fri Nov 3 22:00:40 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Making a CD... In-Reply-To: <20061103184252.d8328f82.jh@brainiac.com> References: <20061103181133.4ba8a80f@mistral.stie> <20061103184252.d8328f82.jh@brainiac.com> Message-ID: <454C026B.5010805@freenet.de> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Joe Hartley schrieb: > On Fri, 3 Nov 2006 18:11:33 -0500 lanas > wrote: >> There are picked-up by grip for instance as .wav files, but are >> they .wav on a CD ? If so, can I just put all my .wav files from >> Ardour ina directory, make an ISO image from that, and then burn >> the ISO on a RW CD ? > > No, ISO images are data CD formats. I'd either use a program like > cd-roast or K3B to burn an audio disk, or make a TOC (table of > contents) file and use cdrecord to make the audio disk. > > Since you're already familiar with Ardour, this might be of some > use: http://ardour.org/manual/export/cdtoc > > A TOC file is a pretty simple thing that can be done quickly in a > simple text editor if you want. Here's an example from a project > of mine: > > CD_DA CD_TEXT { LANGUAGE_MAP { 0 : EN } LANGUAGE 0 { TITLE "Big > Society 6" PERFORMER "Big Society" COMPOSER "" } } > > TRACK AUDIO COPY NO PRE_EMPHASIS CD_TEXT { LANGUAGE 0 { TITLE > "Martyr's Life" PERFORMER "Big Society" COMPOSER "Tom Shields" } } > PREGAP 00:02:00 FILE "/tape/BigSociety/MartyrsLife/MartyrsLife.wav" > 0 > > TRACK AUDIO COPY NO PRE_EMPHASIS CD_TEXT { LANGUAGE 0 { TITLE > "Dirty" PERFORMER "Big Society" COMPOSER "Tom Shields" } } PREGAP > 00:02:00 FILE "/tape/BigSociety/Dirty/dirty.wav" 0 > > TRACK AUDIO COPY NO PRE_EMPHASIS CD_TEXT { LANGUAGE 0 { TITLE > "Snails On the Move" PERFORMER "Big Society" COMPOSER "Tom Shields" > } } PREGAP 00:02:00 FILE > "/tape/BigSociety/SnailsOnTheMove/SnailsOnTheMove.wav" 0 > > .... and so on. > like a .cue-sheet :) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFFTAJqh0Sf8rYIKd8RAvWxAJ4gUmKw+JLbIEA/NnUMrdp3wBzmzQCfS7+W fpuWvsyLEKc914v/ChAQ7ik= =aynp -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From b0ef at esben-stien.name Sat Nov 4 07:32:18 2006 From: b0ef at esben-stien.name (Esben Stien) Date: Sat Nov 4 05:47:10 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] PC Keyboard questions In-Reply-To: <454B83CC.9080601@wanadoo.fr> (David Causse's message of "Fri, 03 Nov 2006 19:00:44 +0100") References: <454B3B94.8020405@wanadoo.fr> <454B83CC.9080601@wanadoo.fr> Message-ID: <87slgzcrzh.fsf@esben-stien.name> David Causse writes: > I want to be able to make the music evolutive and it's the main > reason why I need to activate/desactivate multiple loops. This is in some way similar to what I'm doing, but I don't need precise activation by using my fingers. Let me try to explain: I'm doing mostly synthesis, but as I'm making hip-hop, it's very much loop based. I've made a sequencer in supercollider and I use my MIDI controller to activate my different "live" loops. I always activate loops before they're supposed to start and they start exactly where I tell them to start. After that, since it's real time synthesis, I manipulate the synths. All synths in the loop are bound to their own MIDI control. All the events in the loop are also bound to individual MIDI control, so that I can adjust the timing of each event in the loops individually by turning knobs;). I do all synthesis in supercollider today, but I'm trying very hard to do the synthesis in common lisp music and keep the sequencer in supercollider. You see, supercollider is about manipulating the graph in a music v style, but I need a functional language to do the synthesis I want. I guess this sequencer is somehow what you're looking for?. I don't use samples, but there is nothing wrong with triggering samples instead of synths in my sequencer. If you want to trigger the loops yourself, without cheating like I do;), maybe get a pad and make what you want in supercollider. -- Esben Stien is b0ef@e s a http://www. s t n m irc://irc. b - i . e/%23contact sip:b0ef@ e e jid:b0ef@ n n From nomoa at wanadoo.fr Sat Nov 4 12:36:38 2006 From: nomoa at wanadoo.fr (David Causse) Date: Sat Nov 4 12:36:05 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] PC Keyboard questions In-Reply-To: <87slgzcrzh.fsf@esben-stien.name> References: <454B3B94.8020405@wanadoo.fr> <454B83CC.9080601@wanadoo.fr> <87slgzcrzh.fsf@esben-stien.name> Message-ID: <20061104173638.GA654@darkstar> On Sat, Nov 04, 2006 at 01:32:18PM +0100, Esben Stien wrote: > David Causse writes: > > > I want to be able to make the music evolutive and it's the main > > reason why I need to activate/desactivate multiple loops. > > This is in some way similar to what I'm doing, but I don't need > precise activation by using my fingers. Let me try to explain: > > I'm doing mostly synthesis, but as I'm making hip-hop, it's very much > loop based. I've made a sequencer in supercollider and I use my MIDI > controller to activate my different "live" loops. > > I always activate loops before they're supposed to start and they > start exactly where I tell them to start. After that, since it's real > time synthesis, I manipulate the synths. All synths in the loop are > bound to their own MIDI control. > > All the events in the loop are also bound to individual MIDI control, > so that I can adjust the timing of each event in the loops > individually by turning knobs;). > > I do all synthesis in supercollider today, but I'm trying very hard to > do the synthesis in common lisp music and keep the sequencer in > supercollider. You see, supercollider is about manipulating the graph > in a music v style, but I need a functional language to do the > synthesis I want. > > I guess this sequencer is somehow what you're looking for?. I don't > use samples, but there is nothing wrong with triggering samples > instead of synths in my sequencer. > > If you want to trigger the loops yourself, without cheating like I > do;), maybe get a pad and make what you want in supercollider. > In fact I don't need a new software, I have found the right one freewheeling acts very well as my looper. I don't do synthesis right now, I tried to generate sound with computer but I think it's not my feeling right now, I'm not convinced by the sound I make :) Also I don't want to purchase midi controllers fwheeling can do well with PC keyboard and I want to investigate more with this. Why not just making music with a live CD, go everywhere and plug your live cd into a friend computer and play :). Like a MC with a MD player. And I don't understand this phrase "You see, supercollider is about manipulating the graph in a music v style", what is music v style? Have you ever heard about french hip-hop band named TTC? You may want have look at their dj :) Thank you, David. From paniq at paniq.org Sat Nov 4 13:02:37 2006 From: paniq at paniq.org (Leonard "paniq" Ritter) Date: Sat Nov 4 13:03:11 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [ANN] Aldrin 0.4 (Harvestman) Message-ID: <1162663357.14264.11.camel@localhost> Aldrin is an extensible open source modular sequencer/tracker, designed to be 1:1 compatible to Jeskola Buzz. We're proud to announce the release of Aldrin 0.4 (Harvestman), featuring the hard disk recorder we are all used to, two new effects, mute/solo functionality, various ui improvements and the usual set of bugfixes. http://www.leonard-ritter.com/announcement_aldrin_0_4_harvestman -- Leonard Ritter -- Freelance Art & Logic -- http://www.leonard-ritter.com From dfro at umich.edu Sat Nov 4 14:47:16 2006 From: dfro at umich.edu (David Froseth) Date: Sat Nov 4 14:49:12 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Cannot get qjackctl, jackd, alsa working. Message-ID: <454CEE44.6040601@umich.edu> I am trying to get jackd, qjackctl, and alsa working on a pentium d desktop running ubuntu edgy. I am getting these error messages when I start qjackctl: .......... ALSA: final selected sample format for capture: 32bit little-endian ALSA: use 2 periods for capture ALSA: final selected sample format for playback: 32bit little-endian ALSA: use 2 periods for playback 12:38:49.469 Could not connect to JACK server as client. Please check the messages window for more info. **** alsa_pcm: xrun of at least 0.024 msecs **** alsa_pcm: xrun of at least 0.012 msecs 12:38:57.669 MIDI connection change. **** alsa_pcm: xrun of at least 0.534 msecs 12:38:58.077 Could not connect to JACK server as client. Please check the messages window for more info. **** alsa_pcm: xrun of at least 0.124 msecs **** alsa_pcm: xrun of at least 2.709 msecs 12:39:01.196 JACK is stopping... **** alsa_pcm: xrun of at least 2.769 msecs jack main caught signal 15 no message buffer overruns 12:39:01.333 JACK was stopped successfully. Any ideas on how to fix this? From chip.vandan at gmail.com Sat Nov 4 14:50:44 2006 From: chip.vandan at gmail.com (Chip VanDan) Date: Sat Nov 4 14:51:00 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Midi Woes Message-ID: Okay, I know this question comes up way too often, but I've been struggling with this for years and for some reason have never been able to accomplish this, let alone grasp it. I have a Yamaha Clavinova CLP930 that I wish to use as a MIDI controller for my computer. Basically I want to be able to play MIDI events to things like Swami or amSynth through Jack from the Clavinova. I have an old-style MIDI cable, one with a joystick plug on the end and a MIDI in and a MIDI out on the other end, which to the best of my knowledge is hooked up properly. My system is Fedora Core 3 with Planet CCRMA packages and the RDT (?) kernel working properly as far as I know. Now if there is a better distribution to be using for this let me know because I plan on getting a new hard drive soon. I've tried quite a variety and have recently settled on Fedora. Now when I start Jack up I get an error that claims Jack wasn't able to connect to the sequencer. I can close Jack and if I type /sbin/modprobe snd_seq, Jack won't give me this error. I can also load snd_mpu401uart, but this doesn't seem to have any effect. When I try to load snd_mpu401 it gives me an error as follows: FATAL: Error inserting snd_mpu401 (/lib/modules/2.6.11-0.3.rdt.rhfc3.ccrma/updates/drivers/mpu401/snd-mpu401.ko): No such device I'm not quite sure what to do about that, but as it stands when I start Jack now I only have the MIDI Through port listed in my connections and I'm pretty sure that MPU401 is supposed to be listed. I can play to all of my MIDI based programs (amSynth and Swami) with the Virtual Keyboard, and I've tried using Kmidimon to see if any events are coming across from the Clavinova, there's nothing. As you can probably tell, I've struggled trying to figure this out for a while, and still have barely anything. I just don't get the right feel off of Virtual Keyboard to actually perform. If anybody could explain this process I promise to make an in-depth howto because I keep seeing these sorts of questions, but nobody seems to cover everything (probably because there's a lot to cover). For reference purposes, because I know somebody will ask for it, I've added my output of /sbin/lsmod at the bottom of this email. Chip Module Size Used by snd_seq_dummy 4100 0 realtime 5128 0 commoncap 8064 1 realtime snd_seq 76816 5 snd_seq_dummy snd_seq_device 9740 2 snd_seq_dummy,snd_seq parport_pc 29380 1 lp 12780 0 parport 42440 2 parport_pc,lp autofs4 28932 0 sunrpc 186724 1 ipt_REJECT 7168 1 ipt_state 1792 2 ip_conntrack 45748 1 ipt_state iptable_filter 3584 1 ip_tables 18944 3 ipt_REJECT,ipt_state,iptable_filter md5 4096 1 ipv6 284864 8 usblp 13184 0 ohci1394 39812 0 ieee1394 314580 1 ohci1394 uhci_hcd 36368 0 i2c_i801 8460 0 i2c_core 23040 1 i2c_i801 snd_intel8x0 36032 3 snd_ac97_codec 81784 1 snd_intel8x0 snd_pcm_oss 65312 0 snd_mixer_oss 21760 1 snd_pcm_oss snd_pcm 124296 5 snd_intel8x0,snd_ac97_codec,snd_pcm_oss snd_timer 38276 2 snd_seq,snd_pcm snd 76164 15 snd_seq_dummy,snd_seq,snd_seq_device,snd_intel8x0,snd_ac97_codec,snd_pcm_oss,snd_mixer_oss,snd_pcm,snd_timer soundcore 11360 1 snd snd_page_alloc 10884 2 snd_intel8x0,snd_pcm e100 50816 0 mii 5120 1 e100 floppy 66992 0 dm_snapshot 18628 0 dm_zero 2432 0 dm_mirror 27884 2 ext3 135560 2 jbd 92184 1 ext3 dm_mod 64148 6 dm_snapshot,dm_zero,dm_mirror From chazkiser at alltel.net Sat Nov 4 22:32:34 2006 From: chazkiser at alltel.net (chaz kiser) Date: Sat Nov 4 22:32:44 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Fretless Dobro Bass Distortion In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <454D5B52.7000903@alltel.net> I'm recording my fretless dobro bass via Audacity. I noticed this program came coupled with many plug-in's and effects (I'm running Agnula, DeMUDI) but I dont' readily see one for distortion or bass distortion. I would like to get my bass super distorted. Much like the guitar in "Spirt in the Sky" by Norm Greenbaum. I want a warm, extremely fuzzy distortion on my fretless dobro. I think that would give the song I'm working on a very cool sound. I'd rather record it dry and add the distortion later. any suggetions? chaz From pw_lists at slinkp.com Sat Nov 4 23:09:16 2006 From: pw_lists at slinkp.com (Paul Winkler) Date: Sat Nov 4 23:09:42 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Fretless Dobro Bass Distortion In-Reply-To: <454D5B52.7000903@alltel.net> References: <454D5B52.7000903@alltel.net> Message-ID: <20061105040916.GC7535@slinkp.com> On Sat, Nov 04, 2006 at 10:32:34PM -0500, chaz kiser wrote: > I'm recording my fretless dobro bass via Audacity. I noticed this > program came coupled with many plug-in's and effects (I'm running > Agnula, DeMUDI) but I dont' readily see one for distortion or bass > distortion. > > I would like to get my bass super distorted. Much like the guitar in > "Spirt in the Sky" by Norm Greenbaum. I want a warm, extremely fuzzy > distortion on my fretless dobro. I think that would give the song I'm > working on a very cool sound. I'd rather record it dry and add the > distortion later. > > any suggetions? I'd start with the CAPS plugins, http://quitte.de/dsp/caps.html maybe Amp V set for very high gain, followed by Cabinet II to warm it up and tame the excessive highs. If that's too "amp-like" and not fuzzy enough for you, look at the various distortions in the SWH ladspa set. http://plugin.org.uk/ladspa-swh/docs/ladspa-swh.html Pre-EQ also makes a huge difference in distortion character. More bass on the input = more of a "fuzz" sound. Less bass and more treble = more of a biting "distortion" effect. -- Paul Winkler http://www.slinkp.com From pw_lists at slinkp.com Sat Nov 4 23:18:31 2006 From: pw_lists at slinkp.com (Paul Winkler) Date: Sat Nov 4 23:18:53 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Fretless Dobro Bass Distortion In-Reply-To: <20061105040916.GC7535@slinkp.com> References: <454D5B52.7000903@alltel.net> <20061105040916.GC7535@slinkp.com> Message-ID: <20061105041831.GD7535@slinkp.com> On Sat, Nov 04, 2006 at 11:09:16PM -0500, Paul Winkler wrote: > On Sat, Nov 04, 2006 at 10:32:34PM -0500, chaz kiser wrote: > > I'm recording my fretless dobro bass via Audacity. (snip) Sorry, I forgot to say one thing: FRETLESS DOBRO BASS???? :) -- Paul Winkler http://www.slinkp.com From pshirkey at boosthardware.com Sun Nov 5 04:13:46 2006 From: pshirkey at boosthardware.com (Patrick Shirkey) Date: Sun Nov 5 04:14:38 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Cannot get qjackctl, jackd, alsa working. In-Reply-To: <454CEE44.6040601@umich.edu> References: <454CEE44.6040601@umich.edu> Message-ID: <454DAB4A.5040907@boosthardware.com> David Froseth wrote: > I am trying to get jackd, qjackctl, and alsa working on a pentium d > desktop running ubuntu edgy. I am getting these error messages when I > start qjackctl: > > .......... > > ALSA: final selected sample format for capture: 32bit little-endian > ALSA: use 2 periods for capture > ALSA: final selected sample format for playback: 32bit little-endian > ALSA: use 2 periods for playback > 12:38:49.469 Could not connect to JACK server as client. Please check > the messages window for more info. > **** alsa_pcm: xrun of at least 0.024 msecs > **** alsa_pcm: xrun of at least 0.012 msecs > 12:38:57.669 MIDI connection change. > **** alsa_pcm: xrun of at least 0.534 msecs > 12:38:58.077 Could not connect to JACK server as client. Please check > the messages window for more info. > **** alsa_pcm: xrun of at least 0.124 msecs > **** alsa_pcm: xrun of at least 2.709 msecs > 12:39:01.196 JACK is stopping... > **** alsa_pcm: xrun of at least 2.769 msecs > jack main caught signal 15 > no message buffer overruns > 12:39:01.333 JACK was stopped successfully. > > Any ideas on how to fix this? > There are a few possibilities. - How are you starting the jack server and which user - root or normal? - Is this the output from the qjackctrl error window or the command line? -- Patrick Shirkey - Boost Hardware Ltd. Http://www.boosthardware.com Http://lau.linuxaudio.org - The Linux Audio Users guide ======================================== "Anything your mind can see you can manifest physically, then it will become reality" - Macka B From pshirkey at boosthardware.com Sun Nov 5 04:19:28 2006 From: pshirkey at boosthardware.com (Patrick Shirkey) Date: Sun Nov 5 04:20:01 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Midi Woes In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <454DACA0.90208@boosthardware.com> Chip VanDan wrote: > Okay, I know this question comes up way too often, but I've been > struggling with this for years and for some reason have never been > able to accomplish this, let alone grasp it. > snip. - There are some basic testing programs that are included with the alsa-tools package. ex aseqview - You could also have a look at Takashi Iwai's homepage for more info on how to use them http://www.alsa-project.org/~iwai/alsa.html - IIUC you need to enable serial port support in the kernel or as a module for the old cables. -- Patrick Shirkey - Boost Hardware Ltd. Http://www.boosthardware.com Http://lau.linuxaudio.org - The Linux Audio Users guide ======================================== "Anything your mind can see you can manifest physically, then it will become reality" - Macka B From wagi at monom.org Sun Nov 5 15:43:07 2006 From: wagi at monom.org (Daniel Wagner) Date: Sun Nov 5 15:40:44 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Help me set the volume for Freebob, please! In-Reply-To: References: <4548F6F4.4090200@monom.org> <45492B3C.7090507@monom.org> Message-ID: <454E4CDB.2050005@monom.org> >> seem extremely eager to get something I'll try to look into it asap. But > > I should mention: Volume control for the first input channel would be > enough to get me started. I have check in on the trunk a test command which is suppose to set the volume. I haven't tested it completely since I'm tired and my head starts to hurt... Anyway you don't have to install the 1.4.0 version just do following to set the volume: 0) download trunk/libfreebob 1) compile libfreebob 2) cd libfreebob/tests 3) export LD_LIBRARY_PATH=../src/.libs (assuming you are using a bash) 4) ./test_volume 0 1 200 argument 1: device id argument 2: feature function block. 1=input1/2, 2=input3/4 ... argument 3: volume. the range is 0x0000 = 0.0000 dB, 0x7ffe=127.9922dB hope that helps. cheers, daniel From wagi at monom.org Sun Nov 5 15:45:08 2006 From: wagi at monom.org (Daniel Wagner) Date: Sun Nov 5 15:42:51 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Help me set the volume for Freebob, please! In-Reply-To: <454E4CDB.2050005@monom.org> References: <4548F6F4.4090200@monom.org> <45492B3C.7090507@monom.org> <454E4CDB.2050005@monom.org> Message-ID: <454E4D54.2010201@monom.org> > I have check in on the trunk a test command which is suppose to set the > volume. I haven't tested it completely since I'm tired and my head > starts to hurt... you don't have to test. it wont work. From Stuart.Allie at hydro.com.au Sun Nov 5 17:13:00 2006 From: Stuart.Allie at hydro.com.au (Stuart Allie) Date: Sun Nov 5 17:16:03 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Struggling with jack_convolve Message-ID: <125CC89D8E2DC84DA44D8125983767520125984F@swhexprod.hydrotasmania.com.au> > > I've just started playing with jack_convolve and I'm having a few > > problems. If I run the program with the default gain factor [snip] > You may want to have a look at JACE : > > http://users.skynet.be/solaris/linuxaudio Fons and Florian, Thanks for your replies. As long as I'm not doing anything incredibly dumb, that's alright. I just thought I should check. I will indeed have a look at jace. BTW Fons, thanks for jaaa and japa - I'm finding them most useful. Stuart From jh at brainiac.com Sun Nov 5 18:26:15 2006 From: jh at brainiac.com (Joe Hartley) Date: Sun Nov 5 18:26:25 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] cdrdao TOC weirdness Message-ID: <20061105182615.22be9b21.jh@brainiac.com> I've just upgraded my system from Fedora Core 4/Planet CCRMA to FC5 with the Planet, and hit a very odd problem. I'm at the end of a project mastering a compilation disk done by employees of a company I used to work for, and went to burn a test copy of the CD. This works fine under FC4 with cdrdao 1.1.9, but broke under FC5 with cdrdao 1.2.1. It gacks with the following errors: ERROR: heartlab.toc:23: START 00:02:00 behind or at track end. ERROR: heartlab.toc:36: START 00:02:00 behind or at track end. The track sections look like this: TRACK AUDIO COPY NO PRE_EMPHASIS CD_TEXT { LANGUAGE 0 { TITLE "Struttin'" PERFORMER "Brad Pseudonym" COMPOSER "" } } PREGAP 00:02:00 FILE "/tape/Heartlab/Struttin.wav" 0 As far as I can tell, this is exactly what I should have for a Redbook compliant audio disk, and should have no problems at all. Does anyone know what's up with the TOC files and the new version of cdrdao? Thanks. -- ====================================================================== Joe Hartley - UNIX/network Consultant - jh@brainiac.com Without deviation from the norm, "progress" is not possible. - FZappa From capocasa at gmx.net Sun Nov 5 23:22:12 2006 From: capocasa at gmx.net (Carlo Capocasa) Date: Sun Nov 5 23:22:44 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Help me set the volume for Freebob, please! In-Reply-To: <454E4D54.2010201@monom.org> References: <4548F6F4.4090200@monom.org> <45492B3C.7090507@monom.org> <454E4CDB.2050005@monom.org> <454E4D54.2010201@monom.org> Message-ID: Thanks anyway, Daniel. I really appreciate your effort. Although I am very satisfied with the pressure I was able to create, I do feel obliged to point out there is probably more wrong with my device than the low volume. I sent the vendor a similar e-mail. Carlo Daniel Wagner schrieb: >> I have check in on the trunk a test command which is suppose to set >> the volume. I haven't tested it completely since I'm tired and my head >> starts to hurt... > > you don't have to test. it wont work. > From v2 at iki.fi Mon Nov 6 02:13:39 2006 From: v2 at iki.fi (Sampo Savolainen) Date: Mon Nov 6 02:13:57 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] cdrdao TOC weirdness Message-ID: <1162797219.454ee0a32dd08@www3.helsinki.fi> Quoting Joe Hartley : > ERROR: heartlab.toc:23: START 00:02:00 behind or at track end. > ERROR: heartlab.toc:36: START 00:02:00 behind or at track end. > > The track sections look like this: > TRACK AUDIO > COPY > NO PRE_EMPHASIS > CD_TEXT { > LANGUAGE 0 { > TITLE "Struttin'" > PERFORMER "Brad Pseudonym" > COMPOSER "" > } > } > PREGAP 00:02:00 > FILE "/tape/Heartlab/Struttin.wav" 0 You haven't specified the length of the track. I'm guessing the correct format in this case would be something like: FILE "/foo/bar.wav" 0 03:40:02 Specified in minutes:seconds:cd-frames (cd-frames are 75 in a second iirc). Sampo From cladisch at fastmail.net Mon Nov 6 05:01:58 2006 From: cladisch at fastmail.net (Clemens Ladisch) Date: Mon Nov 6 05:02:10 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Midi Woes In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1162807318.27635.275093661@webmail.messagingengine.com> Chip VanDan wrote: > I have an old-style MIDI cable, one with a joystick plug on the end > and a MIDI in and a MIDI out on the other end, which to the best of my > knowledge is hooked up properly. > > Error inserting snd_mpu401: No such device Using a gameport-MIDI interface with a gameport on the motherboard should work automatically if the MIDI port is enabled in the BIOS setup and if ACPI is enabled. Without ACPI, you have to specify port address and interrupt manually, as in: modprobe snd-mpu401 port=0x330 irq=10 (however, look up the actual values in the BIOS setup) HTH Clemens From jh at brainiac.com Mon Nov 6 11:35:43 2006 From: jh at brainiac.com (Joe Hartley) Date: Mon Nov 6 11:36:05 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] cdrdao TOC weirdness In-Reply-To: <1162797219.454ee0a32dd08@www3.helsinki.fi> References: <1162797219.454ee0a32dd08@www3.helsinki.fi> Message-ID: <20061106113543.358402eb.jh@brainiac.com> On Mon, 6 Nov 2006 09:13:39 +0200 Sampo Savolainen wrote: > Quoting Joe Hartley : > > > ERROR: heartlab.toc:23: START 00:02:00 behind or at track end. > > ERROR: heartlab.toc:36: START 00:02:00 behind or at track end. > > > > The track sections look like this: > > TRACK AUDIO > > COPY > > NO PRE_EMPHASIS > > CD_TEXT { > > LANGUAGE 0 { > > TITLE "Struttin'" > > PERFORMER "Brad Pseudonym" > > COMPOSER "" > > } > > } > > PREGAP 00:02:00 > > FILE "/tape/Heartlab/Struttin.wav" 0 > > You haven't specified the length of the track. I'm guessing the correct > format in this case would be something like: > > FILE "/foo/bar.wav" 0 03:40:02 > > Specified in minutes:seconds:cd-frames (cd-frames are 75 in a second iirc). Thanks for the pointer on this. Interestingly, cdrdao calculated this from the audio file in an earlier version, but must not now. I'll have to research the best way to determine this canonically now. Seems like a step backwards to me, but what do I know? -- ====================================================================== Joe Hartley - UNIX/network Consultant - jh@brainiac.com Without deviation from the norm, "progress" is not possible. - FZappa From kpanic at muppetslab.org Mon Nov 6 12:08:17 2006 From: kpanic at muppetslab.org (Marco Milanesi) Date: Mon Nov 6 12:08:20 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Mailing list italiana linuxaudio-it -- Italian mailing list linuxaudio-it Message-ID: <20061106170816.GM4639@innerloop.it> Ciao a tutti!/hi all! -[ Versione Italiana ]- Io ed emillo (di http://emillo.net) abbiamo creato una mailing list italiana che vuole ricalcare la filosofia di linux-audio-user. Sono benvenuti gli argomenti che trattano la discussione dei programmi, l'aiuto alla configurazione/compilazione dei programmi, la condivisione di musica libera fatta con GNU/Linux, condivisione di esperienza 'su strada', trucchi e consigli, etc. L'indirizzo per la sottoscrizione e`: http://gnufunk.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/linuxaudio-it Vi aspettiamo numerosi! -[ English version ]- we have created (me and emillo of http://emillo.net fame) an italian mailing list branch of linux-audio-user. The arguments that are welcome are surely discussion of programs, help on configuring/compiling programs, share of links to music made with GNU/Linux, hands on experience and tips and tricks with programs, etc. All things linux audio related. The address that you can use for subscription is: http://gnufunk.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/linuxaudio-it ciao, Marco :) -- ,= ,-_-. =. ------------------------------------------------------- + ((_/)o o(\_)) jabber:kpanic@jabber.linux.it/msn:kpanic@muppetslab.org | `-'(. .)`- #muppetslab@irc.freenode.net | \_/ The more I see, the less I know | From pcoccoli at gmail.com Mon Nov 6 13:15:21 2006 From: pcoccoli at gmail.com (Paul Coccoli) Date: Mon Nov 6 13:15:45 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Fretless Dobro Bass Distortion In-Reply-To: <20061105040916.GC7535@slinkp.com> References: <454D5B52.7000903@alltel.net> <20061105040916.GC7535@slinkp.com> Message-ID: <8d27a0610611061015x2430d93aq9e23b030067dba92@mail.gmail.com> On 11/4/06, Paul Winkler wrote: > On Sat, Nov 04, 2006 at 10:32:34PM -0500, chaz kiser wrote: > > I'm recording my fretless dobro bass via Audacity. I noticed this > > program came coupled with many plug-in's and effects (I'm running > > Agnula, DeMUDI) but I dont' readily see one for distortion or bass > > distortion. > > > > I would like to get my bass super distorted. Much like the guitar in > > "Spirt in the Sky" by Norm Greenbaum. I want a warm, extremely fuzzy > > distortion on my fretless dobro. I think that would give the song I'm > > working on a very cool sound. I'd rather record it dry and add the > > distortion later. > > > > any suggetions? > > I'd start with the CAPS plugins, http://quitte.de/dsp/caps.html > maybe Amp V set for very high gain, followed by Cabinet II to warm it > up and tame the excessive highs. > > If that's too "amp-like" and not fuzzy enough for you, look at the various > distortions in the SWH ladspa set. > http://plugin.org.uk/ladspa-swh/docs/ladspa-swh.html > > Pre-EQ also makes a huge difference in distortion character. > More bass on the input = more of a "fuzz" sound. > Less bass and more treble = more of a biting "distortion" effect. > > -- > > Paul Winkler > http://www.slinkp.com > I like to follow the CAPS Amp plugins with a low-pass filter. I think I use the 4 Pole Low Pass from the Blop package. I've never gotten a good sound out of the CAPS Cabinet plugin (it seems to kill all the low-end). From yves at jazzcomputer.org Mon Nov 6 14:01:24 2006 From: yves at jazzcomputer.org (Yves Potin) Date: Mon Nov 6 14:01:48 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Fretless Dobro Bass Distortion In-Reply-To: <8d27a0610611061015x2430d93aq9e23b030067dba92@mail.gmail.com> References: <454D5B52.7000903@alltel.net> <20061105040916.GC7535@slinkp.com> <8d27a0610611061015x2430d93aq9e23b030067dba92@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20061106190124.GE25445@localhost> Le 06 Nov ? 13:15, Paul Coccoli ecrivait: > I like to follow the CAPS Amp plugins with a low-pass filter. I think > I use the 4 Pole Low Pass from the Blop package. Hi. You should try Barry's Satan Maximiser with a limiter, the fast lookahead one for example (for distortion, I mean). Take care, it's violent :). > I've never gotten a good sound out of the CAPS Cabinet plugin (it > seems to kill all the low-end). The problem is maybe that it's a cabinet simulator for guitar, simulating guitar amp speakers ? Y. From t_w_ at freenet.de Mon Nov 6 14:30:54 2006 From: t_w_ at freenet.de (Thorsten Wilms) Date: Mon Nov 6 14:32:20 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [Music] Five-Three Message-ID: <20061106193054.GB5458@charly.SWORD> Hi! http://www.archive.org/details/five-three So how could this happen ... ah right, started with layering beats in 5/4 and 3/4. Continued with stacked chords (2 x 3 voices) and worked from there. First line of chords, second, both at the end. So there's more dissonance than usualy for me ... I think I kept it under control. As an addition to my toolset of MusE, Om, Jamin, Sweep, Timemachine I used Paulstretch :) I have a cold, hope my ears havn't fooled me ;) All comments, especialy descriptive ones, welcome. -- Thorsten Wilms From folderol at ukfsn.org Mon Nov 6 14:46:53 2006 From: folderol at ukfsn.org (Folderol) Date: Mon Nov 6 14:46:44 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Sad Angel (n) In-Reply-To: <20061102130933.GA6048@charly.SWORD> References: <20061101225645.52eff5d5@localhost> <20061102130933.GA6048@charly.SWORD> Message-ID: <20061106194653.5cf33a04@localhost> On Thu, 2 Nov 2006 14:09:33 +0100 Thorsten Wilms wrote: > On Wed, Nov 01, 2006 at 10:56:45PM +0000, Folderol wrote: > > Well, I just knew I would still be dissatisfied with this, so I've > > tried again. > > > > One day I'll get it right - but probably only for one day :( > > > > Actually I've changed the voices quite a bit this time, and sort of > > rediscovered harmonies that had got lost. > > > > Here is the (n)th version. > > > > (I don't know. I've lost count) > > > > http://www.musically.me.uk/music/Sad_Angel.ogg > > > Sheesh, you really make one want to download this ... ;) Well that's got to be good :) > This piece makes me expect movements like I know from church > music, but they just don't happen. Should come down to some > inbetween-notes. Being rather ignorant in that area, I > wouldn't know how to be more specific. I'm really not at all sure what you mean here. However, I've worked on this piece (off and on) for such a long time that one problem I have is that ANY change now sounds 'wrong' for quite a while. > Keeping to a specific style, fullfilling cliches ... not > necessarily a good thing, but in this case it would be > quite fitting, I think. I really don't have any idea as to what style this should be regarded as. I just played what I felt. -- Will J G From t_w_ at freenet.de Mon Nov 6 16:00:12 2006 From: t_w_ at freenet.de (Thorsten Wilms) Date: Mon Nov 6 16:03:51 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Sad Angel (n) In-Reply-To: <20061106194653.5cf33a04@localhost> References: <20061101225645.52eff5d5@localhost> <20061102130933.GA6048@charly.SWORD> <20061106194653.5cf33a04@localhost> Message-ID: <20061106210012.GD5458@charly.SWORD> On Mon, Nov 06, 2006 at 07:46:53PM +0000, Folderol wrote: > > This piece makes me expect movements like I know from church > > music, but they just don't happen. Should come down to some > > inbetween-notes. Being rather ignorant in that area, I > > wouldn't know how to be more specific. > > I'm really not at all sure what you mean here. However, I've worked on > this piece (off and on) for such a long time that one problem I have is > that ANY change now sounds 'wrong' for quite a while. Well, some pieces make me anticipate the next note. This one does in between, but I'm wrong again and again. That what I do anticipate would make it be more like church organ music. If you don't see/hear it ... there's a reason people make different music in varying ways ;) But don't allow this to confuse you, if you can't get anything out of it, just ignore it ;) If any change sounds wrong at first, you should either call this finished, or put it aside for at least a week. -- Thorsten Wilms From wagi at monom.org Mon Nov 6 16:09:36 2006 From: wagi at monom.org (Daniel Wagner) Date: Mon Nov 6 16:07:41 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Help me set the volume for Freebob, please! In-Reply-To: References: <4548F6F4.4090200@monom.org> <45492B3C.7090507@monom.org> <454E4CDB.2050005@monom.org> <454E4D54.2010201@monom.org> Message-ID: <454FA490.2070008@monom.org> > Although I am very satisfied with the pressure I was able to create, I > do feel obliged to point out there is probably more wrong with my device > than the low volume. The volume setting test program is now functional. I haven't tested it listening to the output or input because I don't have a working environment right now but from what I see what's going on it looks good. wagi@newton:~/src/libfreebob/tests$ ./test-volume 0 1 -1000 max volume value = 0 min volume value = -32768 old volume value = 0 new volume value = -896 "The min and max attributes can range from 127.9922db (0x7ffe) down to -127.9961 dB (0x8001) in steps of 1/256 dB or 0.00390625 dB (0x0001). Code 0x8000 represents silence." AV/C Audio Subunit Specification 1.0 In reality the max value seems to be 0 (0 dB) and the minimum value -32768 (-inf dB, silence). The firmware will round the to something meaningful. The FA-101 has only input feature function blocks. So you can't control the output level directly. I guess one can control that with the mixer (missing feature). wagi@newton:~/src/libfreebob/tests$ ./test-volume usage: NODE_ID FFB_ID VOL Feature function blocks ids for the FA-101: Id 1: Input 1/2 Id 2: Input 3/4 Id 3: Input 5/6 Id 4: Input 7/8 Id 5: Input 9/10 The default values for the FA-101 are 0 dB so you don't seem to suffer from that problem... cheers, daniel From magnus.hjorth at home.se Mon Nov 6 18:19:55 2006 From: magnus.hjorth at home.se (Magnus Hjorth) Date: Mon Nov 6 16:59:09 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Snd-ls linking In-Reply-To: <20061103205350.GC30496@replic.net> References: <20061103201617.681063D76FA2@music.columbia.edu> <20061103205350.GC30496@replic.net> Message-ID: <20061107001955.d815e1fe.magnus.hjorth@home.se> On Fri, 3 Nov 2006 20:53:50 +0000 carmen <_@whats-your.name> wrote: > > What is not working properly with jack in Snd and Snd-ls? > > nothing :) ive experienced some stability (crash/freezeup) issues which tend to spread to jackd, however. given how fast the updates are coming, i should try again, my version is a few weeks old. to be fair, mhwaveedit carshes when exporting to mp3. Hi! Could you please tell me more (on or off list) about how/when mhWaveEdit crashes for you so I can fix it for future versions? /Magnus From fons.adriaensen at skynet.be Mon Nov 6 17:37:22 2006 From: fons.adriaensen at skynet.be (Fons Adriaensen) Date: Mon Nov 6 17:35:01 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Sad Angel (n) In-Reply-To: <20061106194653.5cf33a04@localhost> References: <20061101225645.52eff5d5@localhost> <20061102130933.GA6048@charly.SWORD> <20061106194653.5cf33a04@localhost> Message-ID: <20061106223722.GA5917@linux-1.site> On Mon, Nov 06, 2006 at 07:46:53PM +0000, Folderol wrote: > I really don't have any idea as to what style this should be regarded > as. I just played what I felt. What I liked very much about 'Sad Angel' is that the harmony always goes just the way you don't expect it to go. But why should angels be sad ??? -- FA Lascia la spina, cogli la rosa. From chip.vandan at gmail.com Mon Nov 6 17:38:28 2006 From: chip.vandan at gmail.com (Chip VanDan) Date: Mon Nov 6 17:38:40 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Midi Woes In-Reply-To: <1162807318.27635.275093661@webmail.messagingengine.com> References: <1162807318.27635.275093661@webmail.messagingengine.com> Message-ID: > Using a gameport-MIDI interface with a gameport on the motherboard > should work automatically if the MIDI port is enabled in the BIOS setup > and if ACPI is enabled. Without ACPI, you have to specify port address > and interrupt manually, as in: > > modprobe snd-mpu401 port=0x330 irq=10 > > (however, look up the actual values in the BIOS setup) I went to the BIOS and found the actual values, however I don't understand what I am looking at exactly. There is only one serial port on my computer, but in the BIOS there were two different addresses listed, A and B. One was listed at 3F8H/IRQ4 and the other was at 2F8H/IRQ3. I don't understand hex, so I'm not sure what to do with those numbers. >- IIUC you need to enable serial port support in the kernel or as a module for the old cables. Any pointers as to where to look for this information? What I seemed to find on the topic was either sparse or more technical than I can wrap my head around right now. From markus at herhoffer.net Tue Nov 7 07:27:49 2006 From: markus at herhoffer.net (Markus Herhoffer) Date: Tue Nov 7 07:34:48 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Gentoo: Alsa/Snd-usb-audio not working anymore Message-ID: <45507BC5.5090601@herhoffer.net> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA256 Hello! I've already posted this topic to the official Gentoo forums, but nobody was able to help me. I've successfully run my Maya 44 USB together with the snd-usb-audio module for more than a year. But after the last update of ALSA some strange things are going on. "Alsaconf" doesn't find the USB soundcard although snd-usb-audio is loaded. mpg123 gives the following error: === Could not load default driver and no driver specified in config file. Exiting. jackd prints the following errors: Code: JACK compiled with System V SHM support. loading driver .. apparent rate = 48000 creating alsa driver ... hw:0|hw:0|1024|2|48000|0|0|hwmon|hwmeter|-|32bit control device hw:0 ALSA: Cannot open PCM device alsa_pcm for playback. Falling back to capture-only mode cannot load driver module alsa Mplayer is able to play media through SDL (I've no idea what this means), but complains about missing ALSA: [AO OSS] audio_setup: Kann Audioger?t /dev/dsp nicht ?ffnen: No such file or directory alsa-init: using device default alsa-init: playback open error: No such file or directory [AO ESD] esd_open_sound fehlgeschlagen: Connection refused [JACK] cannot open server [AO SDL] Samplerate: 44100Hz Kan?le: Stereo Format s16le AO: [sdl] 44100Hz 2ch s16le (2 bytes per sample) Video: kein Video Starte Wiedergabe... That means that ALSA is obviously not usable. Some more infos: # cat /etc/modules.d/alsa alias char-major-116 snd alias char-major-14 soundcore alias snd-card-0 snd-usb-audio alias sound-slot-0 snd-card-0 alias sound-service-0-0 snd-mixer-oss alias sound-service-0-1 snd-seq-oss alias sound-service-0-3 snd-pcm-oss alias sound-service-0-8 snd-seq-oss alias sound-service-0-12 snd-pcm-oss alias /dev/dsp snd-pcm-oss options snd cards_limit=1 #lsusb Bus 003 Device 002: ID 0a92:0091 EGO SYStems, Inc. //Maya44USB Bus 003 Device 001: ID 0000:0000 Bus 002 Device 002: ID 0763:1002 Midiman Bus 002 Device 001: ID 0000:0000 Bus 001 Device 001: ID 0000:0000 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFFUHvFuXdsp50C0vMRCM1BAJsFu0cAZlw254hdVSSYAPHBos3HtACfXS2I Rh/xtIQBR5q+u7Il2LAfFqs= =DDUe -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From ce at christeck.de Tue Nov 7 14:13:43 2006 From: ce at christeck.de (Christoph Eckert) Date: Tue Nov 7 14:13:04 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Gentoo: Alsa/Snd-usb-audio not working anymore In-Reply-To: <45507BC5.5090601@herhoffer.net> References: <45507BC5.5090601@herhoffer.net> Message-ID: <200611072013.44141.ce@christeck.de> > I've successfully run my Maya 44 USB together with the snd-usb-audio > module for more than a year. But after the last update of ALSA some > strange things are going on. "Alsaconf" doesn't find the USB > soundcard although snd-usb-audio is loaded. AFAIR alsaconf is not able to configure USB cards at all. Check the following: /etc/init.d/alsasound status modprobe snd_usb_audio cat /proc/asound/cards ce From cladisch at fastmail.net Tue Nov 7 14:16:49 2006 From: cladisch at fastmail.net (Clemens Ladisch) Date: Tue Nov 7 14:16:54 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Midi Woes In-Reply-To: References: <1162807318.27635.275093661@webmail.messagingengine.com> Message-ID: <1162927009.30574.275240877@webmail.messagingengine.com> Chip VanDan wrote: > > Using a gameport-MIDI interface with a gameport on the motherboard > > should work automatically if the MIDI port is enabled in the BIOS setup > > and if ACPI is enabled. Without ACPI, you have to specify port address > > and interrupt manually, as in: > > > > modprobe snd-mpu401 port=0x330 irq=10 > > > > (however, look up the actual values in the BIOS setup) > > I went to the BIOS and found the actual values, however I don't > understand what I am looking at exactly. There is only one serial > port on my computer, but in the BIOS there were two different > addresses listed, A and B. One was listed at 3F8H/IRQ4 and the other > was at 2F8H/IRQ3. The serial ports have nothing to do with MIDI. The MIDI port should be listed under "gameport" or "MIDI" or "MPU-401". HTH Clemens From capocasa at gmx.net Tue Nov 7 14:28:25 2006 From: capocasa at gmx.net (Carlo Capocasa) Date: Tue Nov 7 14:37:44 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: [Music] Five-Three In-Reply-To: <20061106193054.GB5458@charly.SWORD> References: <20061106193054.GB5458@charly.SWORD> Message-ID: Extravagant :) Best wishes, Carlo From markus at herhoffer.net Tue Nov 7 15:03:33 2006 From: markus at herhoffer.net (Markus Herhoffer) Date: Tue Nov 7 15:04:09 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Gentoo: Alsa/Snd-usb-audio not working anymore In-Reply-To: <200611072013.44141.ce@christeck.de> References: <45507BC5.5090601@herhoffer.net> <200611072013.44141.ce@christeck.de> Message-ID: <4550E695.40100@herhoffer.net> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA256 ./alsasound status and the modules are ok. But this is *very* interesting: # cat /proc/asound/cards 0 [M2x2 ]: USB-Audio - MidiSport 2x2 M-Audio MidiSport 2x2 at usb-0000:00:02.0-2, full speed 1 [USB ]: USB-Audio - MAYA44 USB AUDIOTRAK MAYA44 USB at usb-0000:00:02.1-1, full speed WTF? My soundcard is numberd as 1 while my MIDI device is 0. I've unplugged the MIDI dev, replugged it and everything worked fine :-) Thanks for the hint! Now I just need a solution that the MAYA44 stays number 0. I usually unplug and replug the devices to use them on other systems. Markus Christoph Eckert wrote: >> I've successfully run my Maya 44 USB together with the snd-usb-audio >> module for more than a year. But after the last update of ALSA some >> strange things are going on. "Alsaconf" doesn't find the USB >> soundcard although snd-usb-audio is loaded. > > AFAIR alsaconf is not able to configure USB cards at all. > > Check the following: > /etc/init.d/alsasound status > modprobe snd_usb_audio > cat /proc/asound/cards > > ce > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFFUOaVuXdsp50C0vMRCClbAJ9TG05YrE6lFN6TWllJtlTj6WkgegCeKZB6 OAMkUgoEf113boKklgPmCJw= =Ajhq -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From folderol at ukfsn.org Tue Nov 7 15:10:51 2006 From: folderol at ukfsn.org (Folderol) Date: Tue Nov 7 15:11:03 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [Music] Five-Three In-Reply-To: <20061106193054.GB5458@charly.SWORD> References: <20061106193054.GB5458@charly.SWORD> Message-ID: <20061107201051.4b730b21@localhost> On Mon, 6 Nov 2006 20:30:54 +0100 Thorsten Wilms wrote: > Hi! > > http://www.archive.org/details/five-three > > So how could this happen ... ah right, started with layering > beats in 5/4 and 3/4. Continued with stacked chords (2 x 3 > voices) and worked from there. First line of chords, second, > both at the end. So there's more dissonance than usualy for > me ... I think I kept it under control. > > As an addition to my toolset of MusE, Om, Jamin, Sweep, > Timemachine I used Paulstretch :) > > I have a cold, hope my ears havn't fooled me ;) > All comments, especialy descriptive ones, welcome. This is very well done, but I'm afraid it really is too far out on its own for my tastes. -- Will J G From rlrevell at joe-job.com Tue Nov 7 15:47:00 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Tue Nov 7 15:46:58 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Gentoo: Alsa/Snd-usb-audio not working anymore In-Reply-To: <4550E695.40100@herhoffer.net> References: <45507BC5.5090601@herhoffer.net> <200611072013.44141.ce@christeck.de> <4550E695.40100@herhoffer.net> Message-ID: <1162932421.22849.156.camel@mindpipe> On Tue, 2006-11-07 at 21:03 +0100, Markus Herhoffer wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA256 > > ./alsasound status and the modules are ok. But this is *very* interesting: > > # cat /proc/asound/cards > 0 [M2x2 ]: USB-Audio - MidiSport 2x2 > M-Audio MidiSport 2x2 at usb-0000:00:02.0-2, full speed > 1 [USB ]: USB-Audio - MAYA44 USB > AUDIOTRAK MAYA44 USB at usb-0000:00:02.1-1, full speed > > WTF? My soundcard is numberd as 1 while my MIDI device is 0. I've > unplugged the MIDI dev, replugged it and everything worked fine :-) > > Thanks for the hint! > > Now I just need a solution that the MAYA44 stays number 0. I usually > unplug and replug the devices to use them on other systems. > Really should not matter - ALSA supports addressing devices by name which is what apps should be doing. > Markus > > > > Christoph Eckert wrote: > >> I've successfully run my Maya 44 USB together with the snd-usb-audio > >> module for more than a year. But after the last update of ALSA some > >> strange things are going on. "Alsaconf" doesn't find the USB > >> soundcard although snd-usb-audio is loaded. > > > > AFAIR alsaconf is not able to configure USB cards at all. > > > > Check the following: > > /etc/init.d/alsasound status > > modprobe snd_usb_audio > > cat /proc/asound/cards > > > > ce > > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) > Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org > > iD8DBQFFUOaVuXdsp50C0vMRCClbAJ9TG05YrE6lFN6TWllJtlTj6WkgegCeKZB6 > OAMkUgoEf113boKklgPmCJw= > =Ajhq > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > From t_w_ at freenet.de Tue Nov 7 16:16:34 2006 From: t_w_ at freenet.de (Thorsten Wilms) Date: Tue Nov 7 16:16:47 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Here we go punk - Call for collaboration Message-ID: <20061107211634.GG5405@charly.SWORD> Hi! One of the leftovers of the time when I emulated punk-rock is this piece that never went beyond being basicaly just a MIDI-file. Now I would love to see life breathed into it and so this is a call to the instrumentalists, but especialy guitarists out there ... I hope someone likes it enough to record a track or 2 for me :) A rough-cut demo produced with bloody GM sounds and bad timing thanks to any combination of MusE, Cabling and my synthesizer keyboard: http://thorwil.affenbande.org/here_we_go_punk_demo.ogg It's not set in stone, we can talk about all kinds of changes and improvisation :) -- Thorsten Wilms From paul at linuxaudiosystems.com Tue Nov 7 16:14:27 2006 From: paul at linuxaudiosystems.com (Paul Davis) Date: Tue Nov 7 16:23:09 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Gentoo: Alsa/Snd-usb-audio not working anymore In-Reply-To: <1162932421.22849.156.camel@mindpipe> References: <45507BC5.5090601@herhoffer.net> <200611072013.44141.ce@christeck.de> <4550E695.40100@herhoffer.net> <1162932421.22849.156.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <1162934067.15613.72.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Tue, 2006-11-07 at 15:47 -0500, Lee Revell wrote: > On Tue, 2006-11-07 at 21:03 +0100, Markus Herhoffer wrote: > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > Hash: SHA256 > > > > ./alsasound status and the modules are ok. But this is *very* interesting: > > > > # cat /proc/asound/cards > > 0 [M2x2 ]: USB-Audio - MidiSport 2x2 > > M-Audio MidiSport 2x2 at usb-0000:00:02.0-2, full speed > > 1 [USB ]: USB-Audio - MAYA44 USB > > AUDIOTRAK MAYA44 USB at usb-0000:00:02.1-1, full speed > > > > WTF? My soundcard is numberd as 1 while my MIDI device is 0. I've > > unplugged the MIDI dev, replugged it and everything worked fine :-) > > > > Thanks for the hint! > > > > Now I just need a solution that the MAYA44 stays number 0. I usually > > unplug and replug the devices to use them on other systems. > > > > > > Really should not matter - ALSA supports addressing devices by name > which is what apps should be doing. > > Maybe users should use names, but apps shouldn't be doing this. They would become totally non-portable. what actually is the method to refer to them by name anyway? i've never seen it ... From rlrevell at joe-job.com Tue Nov 7 16:37:45 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Tue Nov 7 16:38:03 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Gentoo: Alsa/Snd-usb-audio not working anymore In-Reply-To: <1162934067.15613.72.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <45507BC5.5090601@herhoffer.net> <200611072013.44141.ce@christeck.de> <4550E695.40100@herhoffer.net> <1162932421.22849.156.camel@mindpipe> <1162934067.15613.72.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1162935466.22849.181.camel@mindpipe> On Tue, 2006-11-07 at 16:14 -0500, Paul Davis wrote: > On Tue, 2006-11-07 at 15:47 -0500, Lee Revell wrote: > > On Tue, 2006-11-07 at 21:03 +0100, Markus Herhoffer wrote: > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > > Hash: SHA256 > > > > > > ./alsasound status and the modules are ok. But this is *very* interesting: > > > > > > # cat /proc/asound/cards > > > 0 [M2x2 ]: USB-Audio - MidiSport 2x2 > > > M-Audio MidiSport 2x2 at usb-0000:00:02.0-2, full speed > > > 1 [USB ]: USB-Audio - MAYA44 USB > > > AUDIOTRAK MAYA44 USB at usb-0000:00:02.1-1, full speed > > > > > > WTF? My soundcard is numberd as 1 while my MIDI device is 0. I've > > > unplugged the MIDI dev, replugged it and everything worked fine :-) > > > > > > Thanks for the hint! > > > > > > Now I just need a solution that the MAYA44 stays number 0. I usually > > > unplug and replug the devices to use them on other systems. > > > > > > > > > > > Really should not matter - ALSA supports addressing devices by name > > which is what apps should be doing. > > > > > > > Maybe users should use names, but apps shouldn't be doing this. They > would become totally non-portable. > > How so? The app just enumerates the devices and the user selects one. The app remembers the setting. If the selected device does not exist, make the user select another one, or fall back to the next available device. > what actually is the method to refer to them by name anyway? i've never > seen it ... > For the case above, Maya44 is "default:USB", other device is "default:M2x2". (Probably the USB audio driver should use a better short name, and of course this should be documented somewhere) > > From ce at christeck.de Tue Nov 7 17:23:38 2006 From: ce at christeck.de (Christoph Eckert) Date: Tue Nov 7 17:30:45 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Gentoo: Alsa/Snd-usb-audio not working anymore In-Reply-To: <4550E695.40100@herhoffer.net> References: <45507BC5.5090601@herhoffer.net> <200611072013.44141.ce@christeck.de> <4550E695.40100@herhoffer.net> Message-ID: <200611072323.38888.ce@christeck.de> > Now I just need a solution that the MAYA44 stays number 0. I usually > unplug and replug the devices to use them on other systems. Index both cards. Works perfectly on my box. Don't wonder about the sheer amount of my cards, grown historically :) : Gentoo box: vi /etc/modules.d/alsa alias /dev/mixer snd-mixer-oss alias /dev/dsp snd-pcm-oss alias /dev/midi snd-seq-oss options snd device_mode=0666 options snd cards_limit=8 alias snd-card-0 snd-intel8x0 alias sound-slot-0 snd-intel8x0 alias snd-card-1 snd-intel8x0m alias snd-card-2 snd-usb-audio alias snd-card-3 snd-usb-audio alias snd-card-4 snd-usb-audio alias snd-card-5 snd-usb-audio alias snd-card-6 snd-usb-audio options snd-intel8x0 index=0 options snd-intel8x0m index=1 options snd-usb-audio index=2,3,4,5,6 vid=0x0582,0x0763,0x0763,0x0582,0x0ccd pid=0x0074,0x1033,0x0117,0x0009,0x0028 nrpacks=1 ce, a happy snd_usb_audio user :) From ce at christeck.de Tue Nov 7 17:40:09 2006 From: ce at christeck.de (Christoph Eckert) Date: Tue Nov 7 17:39:26 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Gentoo: Alsa/Snd-usb-audio not =?iso-8859-15?q?working=09anymore?= In-Reply-To: <1162935466.22849.181.camel@mindpipe> References: <45507BC5.5090601@herhoffer.net> <1162934067.15613.72.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1162935466.22849.181.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <200611072340.09942.ce@christeck.de> > (Probably the USB audio driver should use a better short name, and of > course this should be documented somewhere) ...and it should be i18n'ed... I doubt it is possible to do it automatically. At least an app needs to ask the user. When running GarageBand (am I going to be crucified now?!? :) and I remove the USB card, I get asked if I want to use the onboard soundcard instead. I think it's just fine that ALSA numbers the cards. It's up to the GUI programs to prompt the user with "human readable" names. BTW: I once told Paul that JACK would lock my machine when removing the USB device. The current version doesn't do so, instead JACK properly quits. That's a huge improvement, guys! ce From atte.jensen at gmail.com Tue Nov 7 17:39:50 2006 From: atte.jensen at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Atte_Andr=E9_Jensen?=) Date: Tue Nov 7 17:40:49 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Gentoo: Alsa/Snd-usb-audio not working anymore In-Reply-To: <1162934067.15613.72.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <45507BC5.5090601@herhoffer.net> <200611072013.44141.ce@christeck.de> <4550E695.40100@herhoffer.net> <1162932421.22849.156.camel@mindpipe> <1162934067.15613.72.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <45510B36.7040001@gmail.com> Paul Davis wrote: > Maybe users should use names, but apps shouldn't be doing this. They > would become totally non-portable. Well, I just rolled 2.6.18-rt7 (was on 2.6.15) and the device numbers are completely reshuffled. I would imagine any setup that relies on the device numbers (and not names) would be totally messed up in situations such as these. -- peace, love & harmony Atte http://www.atte.dk | quintet: http://www.anagrammer.dk | compositions: http://www.atte.dk/compositions From atte.jensen at gmail.com Tue Nov 7 18:39:10 2006 From: atte.jensen at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Atte_Andr=E9_Jensen?=) Date: Tue Nov 7 18:39:19 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] jack: "unlock memory" and "soft mode" Message-ID: <4551191E.9050804@gmail.com> Hi I'm wondering *exactly* "unlock memory" and "soft mode" (as they appear in qjackctl) do? Moreover: 1) Are they advised to be selected or not? 2) Under what circumstances would a check in either be beneficial and when not? -- peace, love & harmony Atte http://www.atte.dk | quintet: http://www.anagrammer.dk | compositions: http://www.atte.dk/compositions From nomoa at wanadoo.fr Tue Nov 7 19:24:46 2006 From: nomoa at wanadoo.fr (David Causse) Date: Tue Nov 7 19:24:03 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Gentoo: Alsa/Snd-usb-audio not working anymore In-Reply-To: <45510B36.7040001@gmail.com> References: <45507BC5.5090601@herhoffer.net> <200611072013.44141.ce@christeck.de> <4550E695.40100@herhoffer.net> <1162932421.22849.156.camel@mindpipe> <1162934067.15613.72.camel@localhost.localdomain> <45510B36.7040001@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20061108002446.GA9440@localdomain> On Tue, Nov 07, 2006 at 11:39:50PM +0100, Atte Andr? Jensen wrote: > Paul Davis wrote: > > >Maybe users should use names, but apps shouldn't be doing this. They > >would become totally non-portable. > > Well, I just rolled 2.6.18-rt7 (was on 2.6.15) and the device numbers > are completely reshuffled. I would imagine any setup that relies on the > device numbers (and not names) would be totally messed up in situations > such as these. IMHO card number should be static and setup by system conf (index=xx module option), that sounds much cleaner to me. David. From rlrevell at joe-job.com Tue Nov 7 19:33:53 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Tue Nov 7 19:33:56 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Gentoo: Alsa/Snd-usb-audio not working anymore In-Reply-To: <20061108002446.GA9440@localdomain> References: <45507BC5.5090601@herhoffer.net> <200611072013.44141.ce@christeck.de> <4550E695.40100@herhoffer.net> <1162932421.22849.156.camel@mindpipe> <1162934067.15613.72.camel@localhost.localdomain> <45510B36.7040001@gmail.com> <20061108002446.GA9440@localdomain> Message-ID: <1162946034.22849.219.camel@mindpipe> On Wed, 2006-11-08 at 01:24 +0100, David Causse wrote: > On Tue, Nov 07, 2006 at 11:39:50PM +0100, Atte Andr? Jensen wrote: > > Paul Davis wrote: > > > > >Maybe users should use names, but apps shouldn't be doing this. They > > >would become totally non-portable. > > > > Well, I just rolled 2.6.18-rt7 (was on 2.6.15) and the device numbers > > are completely reshuffled. I would imagine any setup that relies on the > > device numbers (and not names) would be totally messed up in situations > > such as these. > > IMHO card number should be static and setup by system conf (index=xx > module option), that sounds much cleaner to me. How could this possibly be cleaner or simpler than addressing devices by name like every other OS does? Lee From paul at linuxaudiosystems.com Tue Nov 7 19:40:44 2006 From: paul at linuxaudiosystems.com (Paul Davis) Date: Tue Nov 7 19:41:15 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Gentoo: Alsa/Snd-usb-audio not working anymore In-Reply-To: <1162946034.22849.219.camel@mindpipe> References: <45507BC5.5090601@herhoffer.net> <200611072013.44141.ce@christeck.de> <4550E695.40100@herhoffer.net> <1162932421.22849.156.camel@mindpipe> <1162934067.15613.72.camel@localhost.localdomain> <45510B36.7040001@gmail.com> <20061108002446.GA9440@localdomain> <1162946034.22849.219.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <1162946444.15613.92.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Tue, 2006-11-07 at 19:33 -0500, Lee Revell wrote: > On Wed, 2006-11-08 at 01:24 +0100, David Causse wrote: > > On Tue, Nov 07, 2006 at 11:39:50PM +0100, Atte Andr? Jensen wrote: > > > Paul Davis wrote: > > > > > > >Maybe users should use names, but apps shouldn't be doing this. They > > > >would become totally non-portable. > > > > > > Well, I just rolled 2.6.18-rt7 (was on 2.6.15) and the device numbers > > > are completely reshuffled. I would imagine any setup that relies on the > > > device numbers (and not names) would be totally messed up in situations > > > such as these. > > > > IMHO card number should be static and setup by system conf (index=xx > > module option), that sounds much cleaner to me. > > How could this possibly be cleaner or simpler than addressing devices by > name like every other OS does? what happens in ALSA when you install two devices of the same type? From rlrevell at joe-job.com Tue Nov 7 19:54:50 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Tue Nov 7 19:54:52 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Gentoo: Alsa/Snd-usb-audio not working anymore In-Reply-To: <1162946444.15613.92.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <45507BC5.5090601@herhoffer.net> <200611072013.44141.ce@christeck.de> <4550E695.40100@herhoffer.net> <1162932421.22849.156.camel@mindpipe> <1162934067.15613.72.camel@localhost.localdomain> <45510B36.7040001@gmail.com> <20061108002446.GA9440@localdomain> <1162946034.22849.219.camel@mindpipe> <1162946444.15613.92.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1162947292.22849.228.camel@mindpipe> On Tue, 2006-11-07 at 19:40 -0500, Paul Davis wrote: > On Tue, 2006-11-07 at 19:33 -0500, Lee Revell wrote: > > On Wed, 2006-11-08 at 01:24 +0100, David Causse wrote: > > > IMHO card number should be static and setup by system conf (index=xx > > > module option), that sounds much cleaner to me. > > > > How could this possibly be cleaner or simpler than addressing devices by > > name like every other OS does? > > what happens in ALSA when you install two devices of the same type? > IIRC this currently does not work unless you use module params to set a unique ID. I don't have hw to test it. I believe udev can also do this for you. Not sure how well distros implement it - last time I checked not well. What happens on other OSes with multiple identical devices? Lee From jmacdermott at dopd.com Tue Nov 7 20:05:35 2006 From: jmacdermott at dopd.com (jmacdermott@dopd.com) Date: Tue Nov 7 20:06:03 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Radio Interference problems when recording In-Reply-To: <20061102163219.4D32F3D1502B@music.columbia.edu> References: <20061102163219.4D32F3D1502B@music.columbia.edu> Message-ID: <1162947935.45512d5fcc001@ssl.mecca.ca> Thanks to everyone who offered suggestions to my radio interference problem. I am hoping thay I'll get some more time on the weekend to investigate it further. Sorry for the delay in responding to the replies I received, but here goes... "Tim Howard" wrote: > > Are you hearing radio stations, 60 Hz hum, static, or what? > Are you near florescent lighting? (like in the floor under your feet...) It's radio. I don't think lighting is the problem, nothing unusual around the equipment that wasn't there before. david wrote: > Check your local electronics places for RF filters. A number of power > strips or surge protectors include them. Thanks for the tip, I may have to look into something like this. Vince Werber wrote: > What you are experiencing is called rectification... a major pain but > fixable with a little work... <...snip...> > You may need to buy some ferrite beads and place them on the cables where > they break out to your sound panels... generally you wind it around the > hot leads (not the ground) and reconnect them to there respective > terminals... > > Allot of work... yes... but it will work... I'm not sure what you mean by ferrite beads, or how to place them on the cables? What leads are the hot leads on the cables (I assume you are referring to the XLRs?) Sorry for being so dense, but I'd appreciate it if you could explain this to me in greater detail (like a two year old, say?) ;) Thanks again to everyone who replied! Jay From lars.luthman at gmail.com Tue Nov 7 20:09:45 2006 From: lars.luthman at gmail.com (Lars Luthman) Date: Tue Nov 7 20:09:57 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] jack: "unlock memory" and "soft mode" In-Reply-To: <4551191E.9050804@gmail.com> References: <4551191E.9050804@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1162948185.21605.14.camel@c213-100-20-9.swipnet.se> On Wed, 2006-11-08 at 00:39 +0100, Atte Andr? Jensen wrote: > Hi > > I'm wondering *exactly* "unlock memory" and "soft mode" (as they appear > in qjackctl) do? Moreover: > > 1) Are they advised to be selected or not? > > 2) Under what circumstances would a check in either be beneficial and > when not? From the jackd manual: -u, --unlock Unlock libraries GTK+, QT, FLTK, Wine. This means that even if you are running jackd in realtime mode (and thus locking all memory of the clients into physical RAM), the actual code from the GTK+, Qt, FLTK, and Wine libraries will be recognised and unlocked (if the clients link to those libraries) so the kernel can swap it to disk if it wants. The idea is that the code from those libraries is typically not used in the JACK clients' realtime threads, so it is OK to have to wait a while for it to get swapped back to RAM before you use it. May be useful if you are running low on RAM. -s, --softmode Ignore xruns reported by the ALSA driver. This makes JACK less likely to disconnect unresponsive ports when running without --realtime. What it says. Probably useful when you are playing live or care more about keeping all your synths connected than about keeping the xruns at a minimum (by kicking badly behaved clients from the graph). -- Lars Luthman - please encrypt any email sent to me if possible PGP key: http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x04C77E2E Fingerprint: FCA7 C790 19B9 322D EB7A E1B3 4371 4650 04C7 7E2E -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part Url : http://music.columbia.edu/pipermail/linux-audio-user/attachments/20061108/a3851192/attachment.bin From rlrevell at joe-job.com Tue Nov 7 20:42:50 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Tue Nov 7 20:42:41 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Radio Interference problems when recording In-Reply-To: <1162947935.45512d5fcc001@ssl.mecca.ca> References: <20061102163219.4D32F3D1502B@music.columbia.edu> <1162947935.45512d5fcc001@ssl.mecca.ca> Message-ID: <1162950171.22849.235.camel@mindpipe> On Tue, 2006-11-07 at 20:05 -0500, jmacdermott@dopd.com wrote: > I'm not sure what you mean by ferrite beads, or how to place them on the cables? > What leads are the hot leads on the cables (I assume you are referring to the > XLRs?) Sorry for being so dense, but I'd appreciate it if you could explain > this to me in greater detail (like a two year old, say?) ;) If it hasn't been suggested already, get one of those cheap plug-in circuit testers from a hardware store and make sure all circuits are grounded properly. I keep one in my guitar case. This is a good idea for safety reasons anyway. Lee From set at pobox.com Tue Nov 7 22:00:54 2006 From: set at pobox.com (Paul) Date: Tue Nov 7 22:01:05 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: cdrdao TOC weirdness In-Reply-To: <20061106113543.358402eb.jh@brainiac.com> References: <1162797219.454ee0a32dd08@www3.helsinki.fi> <20061106113543.358402eb.jh@brainiac.com> Message-ID: <20061108030054.GB7288@squish.home.loc> Joe Hartley , on Mon Nov 06, 2006 [11:35:43 AM] said: > On Mon, 6 Nov 2006 09:13:39 +0200 > Sampo Savolainen wrote: > > > Quoting Joe Hartley : > > > > > ERROR: heartlab.toc:23: START 00:02:00 behind or at track end. > > > ERROR: heartlab.toc:36: START 00:02:00 behind or at track end. > > > > > > The track sections look like this: > > > TRACK AUDIO > > > COPY > > > NO PRE_EMPHASIS > > > CD_TEXT { > > > LANGUAGE 0 { > > > TITLE "Struttin'" > > > PERFORMER "Brad Pseudonym" > > > COMPOSER "" > > > } > > > } > > > PREGAP 00:02:00 > > > FILE "/tape/Heartlab/Struttin.wav" 0 > > > > You haven't specified the length of the track. I'm guessing the correct > > format in this case would be something like: > > > > FILE "/foo/bar.wav" 0 03:40:02 > > > > Specified in minutes:seconds:cd-frames (cd-frames are 75 in a second iirc). > > Thanks for the pointer on this. Interestingly, cdrdao calculated this > from the audio file in an earlier version, but must not now. I'll have to > research the best way to determine this canonically now. Seems like a step > backwards to me, but what do I know? > Hi; Sounds like a bug to me. From the cdrdao man page: [ FILE | AUDIOFILE ] "" [ ] Adds the audio data of specified file to the current audio track. It is possible to select a portion of an audio file with and which allows non destructive cutting. The first sample of an audio file is addressed with = 0. If is omitted or set to 0 all audio data from until the end of file is used. Paul set@pobox.com From gnome at hawaii.rr.com Tue Nov 7 23:26:03 2006 From: gnome at hawaii.rr.com (david) Date: Tue Nov 7 23:41:30 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Radio Interference problems when recording In-Reply-To: <1162950171.22849.235.camel@mindpipe> References: <20061102163219.4D32F3D1502B@music.columbia.edu> <1162947935.45512d5fcc001@ssl.mecca.ca> <1162950171.22849.235.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <45515C5B.50307@hawaii.rr.com> Lee Revell wrote: > On Tue, 2006-11-07 at 20:05 -0500, jmacdermott@dopd.com wrote: >> I'm not sure what you mean by ferrite beads, or how to place them on the cables? >> What leads are the hot leads on the cables (I assume you are referring to the >> XLRs?) Sorry for being so dense, but I'd appreciate it if you could explain >> this to me in greater detail (like a two year old, say?) ;) > > If it hasn't been suggested already, get one of those cheap plug-in > circuit testers from a hardware store and make sure all circuits are > grounded properly. I keep one in my guitar case. This is a good idea > for safety reasons anyway. I second that suggestion. You changed locations, so the circuits your equipment is on now are different from before. If your circuits are shared with notoriously-noisy electrical equipment (washers, dryers, stuff with electrical motors in them, IIRC), RF filters and power conditioners will make the difference. -- David gnome@hawaii.rr.com authenticity, honesty, community From atte.jensen at gmail.com Wed Nov 8 02:12:50 2006 From: atte.jensen at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Atte_Andr=E9_Jensen?=) Date: Wed Nov 8 02:13:09 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] jack: "unlock memory" and "soft mode" In-Reply-To: <1162948185.21605.14.camel@c213-100-20-9.swipnet.se> References: <4551191E.9050804@gmail.com> <1162948185.21605.14.camel@c213-100-20-9.swipnet.se> Message-ID: <45518372.8070509@gmail.com> Lars Luthman wrote: > so the kernel can swap > it to disk if it wants. I never run out of ram. In a realtime situation I think this would generally be a thing to really, really try to avoid. So "unlock memory" is doing anything the moment I used all my ram and the kernel starts to swap to disc? > What it says. Probably useful when you are playing live or care more > about keeping all your synths connected than about keeping the xruns at > a minimum (by kicking badly behaved clients from the graph). Would that be like a zynaddsubfx being zombified because it takes too long to save patches? :-) -- peace, love & harmony Atte http://www.atte.dk | quintet: http://www.anagrammer.dk | compositions: http://www.atte.dk/compositions From k.s.matheussen at notam02.no Wed Nov 8 03:27:29 2006 From: k.s.matheussen at notam02.no (Kjetil S. Matheussen) Date: Wed Nov 8 03:28:21 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [ANN] Snd-ls V0.9.7.12 and jack_capture V0.3.9 Message-ID: Snd-ls v0.9.7.7 =============== Snd-ls is a distribution of Bill Schottstaedt's sound editor SND. Its target is people that don't know scheme very well, and don't want to spend too much time configuring Snd. It can also serve as a quick introduction to Snd and how it can be set up. Changes 0.9.7.7 -> 0.9.7.12: ---------------------------- -Fixed listener. -Removed various debug printing. -added --without-builtin-gtkrc configuration option. -Downgraded Snd from 8.4/26.9 back to 8.4/12.9 again. That upgrade was a mindless mistake. -Copied all files from my private snd three into snd-ls. Hopefully, this should make everything work again. -Added fix to make jackdmp work with standard installation of guile. -Don't quit snd-ls in case file can't be opened during startup. Bug reported by Dragan Noveski. -Disable FAM for now, because it fails for no reason during startup. Problem reported by Dragan Noveski. Download from http://www.notam02.no/arkiv/src/snd/ jack_capture v0.3.9 =================== jack_capture is a program for recording soundfiles with jack. Its default operation is to capture whatever sound is going out to your speakers into a file. This is the program I always wanted to have for jack, but no one made. So here it is. Changes 0.3.8 -> 0.3.9: ----------------------- *Changed the -rt option name to -d, to be compatible with jackrec. *Do not stop recording in case of disk errors. *Replaced deprecated libsndfile functions. *Added the --format/-f option. ("jack_capture -f flac", nice :-) ) (adding "-f w64" solves the 4GB limitation of wav files) From t_w_ at freenet.de Wed Nov 8 03:44:12 2006 From: t_w_ at freenet.de (Thorsten Wilms) Date: Wed Nov 8 03:44:23 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [Music] Five-Three In-Reply-To: <20061107201051.4b730b21@localhost> References: <20061106193054.GB5458@charly.SWORD> <20061107201051.4b730b21@localhost> Message-ID: <20061108084412.GA5460@charly.SWORD> On Tue, Nov 07, 2006 at 08:28:25PM +0100, Carlo Capocasa wrote: > > Extravagant :) Hmm, thanks :) On Tue, Nov 07, 2006 at 08:10:51PM +0000, Folderol wrote: > > > > http://www.archive.org/details/five-three > This is very well done, but I'm afraid it really is too far out on its > own for my tastes. Thank you. Well, my journey took me to a strange place :) -- Thorsten Wilms From dubphil at free.fr Wed Nov 8 04:03:23 2006 From: dubphil at free.fr (Dubphil) Date: Wed Nov 8 04:02:52 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [ANN] Snd-ls V0.9.7.12 and jack_capture V0.3.9 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <45519D5B.4090903@free.fr> Kjetil S. Matheussen a ?crit : > operation is to capture whatever sound is going out to your speakers > into a file. This is the program I always wanted to have for jack, but no > one made. and what about Timemachine ? Regards Philippe From atte.jensen at gmail.com Wed Nov 8 04:07:42 2006 From: atte.jensen at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?B?QXR0ZSBBbmRyw6kgSmVuc2Vu?=) Date: Wed Nov 8 04:08:08 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Gentoo: Alsa/Snd-usb-audio not working anymore In-Reply-To: <1162946444.15613.92.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <45507BC5.5090601@herhoffer.net> <200611072013.44141.ce@christeck.de> <4550E695.40100@herhoffer.net> <1162932421.22849.156.camel@mindpipe> <1162934067.15613.72.camel@localhost.localdomain> <45510B36.7040001@gmail.com> <20061108002446.GA9440@localdomain> <1162946034.22849.219.camel@mindpipe> <1162946444.15613.92.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <45519E5E.7020503@gmail.com> Paul Davis wrote: > what happens in ALSA when you install two devices of the same type? The first device that's plugged in gets the number you planned. The next gets the first free number. Unless of course you setup both devices in your configuration. Then the first plugged device gets the lowest number the second the highest. -- peace, love & harmony Atte http://www.atte.dk | quintet: http://www.anagrammer.dk | compositions: http://www.atte.dk/compositions From atte.jensen at gmail.com Wed Nov 8 04:17:27 2006 From: atte.jensen at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Atte_Andr=E9_Jensen?=) Date: Wed Nov 8 04:17:38 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Gentoo: Alsa/Snd-usb-audio not working anymore In-Reply-To: <20061108002446.GA9440@localdomain> References: <45507BC5.5090601@herhoffer.net> <200611072013.44141.ce@christeck.de> <4550E695.40100@herhoffer.net> <1162932421.22849.156.camel@mindpipe> <1162934067.15613.72.camel@localhost.localdomain> <45510B36.7040001@gmail.com> <20061108002446.GA9440@localdomain> Message-ID: <4551A0A7.8020604@gmail.com> David Causse wrote: > IMHO card number should be static and setup by system conf (index=xx > module option), that sounds much cleaner to me. This is not possible in this case as far as I understood it. It's a decision from the kernel guys to change device number of practically everything. It includes stuff like "Midi Through". I use (or used to use) static device numbers setup via /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base, but in my scripting I now totally avoid devise numbers (for instance when connecting alsa clients). Using names or program some logic that looks for substrings in names instead, have proven to be much more robust. -- peace, love & harmony Atte http://www.atte.dk | quintet: http://www.anagrammer.dk | compositions: http://www.atte.dk/compositions From atte.jensen at gmail.com Wed Nov 8 04:20:00 2006 From: atte.jensen at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Atte_Andr=E9_Jensen?=) Date: Wed Nov 8 04:20:10 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Gentoo: Alsa/Snd-usb-audio not working anymore In-Reply-To: <200611072323.38888.ce@christeck.de> References: <45507BC5.5090601@herhoffer.net> <200611072013.44141.ce@christeck.de> <4550E695.40100@herhoffer.net> <200611072323.38888.ce@christeck.de> Message-ID: <4551A140.9040903@gmail.com> Christoph Eckert wrote: > /etc/modules.d/alsa At some point around 2.6.15 I found that I needed to make /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base a symlink to /etc/modules.d/alsa in order for this to work (under debian, though)... -- peace, love & harmony Atte http://www.atte.dk | quintet: http://www.anagrammer.dk | compositions: http://www.atte.dk/compositions From t_w_ at freenet.de Wed Nov 8 05:06:21 2006 From: t_w_ at freenet.de (Thorsten Wilms) Date: Wed Nov 8 05:07:02 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Here we go punk - Call for collaboration In-Reply-To: <20061107211634.GG5405@charly.SWORD> References: <20061107211634.GG5405@charly.SWORD> Message-ID: <20061108100621.GB5460@charly.SWORD> On Tue, Nov 07, 2006 at 10:16:34PM +0100, Thorsten Wilms wrote: > http://thorwil.affenbande.org/here_we_go_punk_demo.ogg And heres a MusE .med and MIDI export: http://thorwil.affenbande.org/here_we_go_punk_demo.med.bz2 http://thorwil.affenbande.org/here_we_go_punk_demo_export.mid.bz2 -- Thorsten Wilms From zettberlin at linuxuse.de Wed Nov 8 05:12:00 2006 From: zettberlin at linuxuse.de (Hartmut Noack) Date: Wed Nov 8 05:12:14 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] jack: "unlock memory" and "soft mode" In-Reply-To: <45518372.8070509@gmail.com> References: <4551191E.9050804@gmail.com> <1162948185.21605.14.camel@c213-100-20-9.swipnet.se> <45518372.8070509@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4551AD70.9050801@linuxuse.de> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Atte Andr? Jensen schrieb: > Lars Luthman wrote: > >> so the kernel can swap >> it to disk if it wants. > > I never run out of ram. In a realtime situation I think this would > generally be a thing to really, really try to avoid. So "unlock memory" > is doing anything the moment I used all my ram and the kernel starts to > swap to disc? The swapping is the end of fun anyway ;-). Still I run jackd with that option enabeled because I experienced much less trouble with Zynaddsubfx. I doubt that could be an issue with tcl-tk be it or not - I have this checked and it works better than whithout.... best Z -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.3 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFFUa1w1Aecwva1SWMRAjYtAKCQSQhuCPMdiCebDPxNK9W+WGOrUACfVp3r lhBiaXrECB3A1d7sUYVMhHE= =syQY -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From atte.jensen at gmail.com Wed Nov 8 05:58:10 2006 From: atte.jensen at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?B?QXR0ZSBBbmRyw6kgSmVuc2Vu?=) Date: Wed Nov 8 05:58:59 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] jack: "unlock memory" and "soft mode" In-Reply-To: <4551AD70.9050801@linuxuse.de> References: <4551191E.9050804@gmail.com> <1162948185.21605.14.camel@c213-100-20-9.swipnet.se> <45518372.8070509@gmail.com> <4551AD70.9050801@linuxuse.de> Message-ID: <4551B842.3060801@gmail.com> Hartmut Noack wrote: > I have this checked and it works better than > whithout.... Thanks for the report. Others? -- peace, love & harmony Atte http://www.atte.dk | quintet: http://www.anagrammer.dk | compositions: http://www.atte.dk/compositions From cannam at all-day-breakfast.com Wed Nov 8 06:29:10 2006 From: cannam at all-day-breakfast.com (Chris Cannam) Date: Wed Nov 8 06:28:29 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] jack: "unlock memory" and "soft mode" In-Reply-To: <1162948185.21605.14.camel@c213-100-20-9.swipnet.se> References: <4551191E.9050804@gmail.com> <1162948185.21605.14.camel@c213-100-20-9.swipnet.se> Message-ID: <200611081129.10511.cannam@all-day-breakfast.com> [cc'ing jackit-devel for technical bit] On Wednesday 08 Nov 2006 01:09, Lars Luthman wrote: > From the jackd manual: > > -u, --unlock > Unlock libraries GTK+, QT, FLTK, Wine. > > This means that even if you are running jackd in realtime mode (and thus > locking all memory of the clients into physical RAM), the actual code > from the GTK+, Qt, FLTK, and Wine libraries will be recognised and > unlocked (if the clients link to those libraries) so the kernel can swap > it to disk if it wants. That reminds me -- this option doesn't seem to work any more for me, as the format of /proc//maps appears to have changed slightly since the code was written. A patch to libjack/client.c is attached below. I don't pretend to understand the format of the maps file, but there's an assumption in the original client.c that any line in the file such as b58db000-b60da000 rwxp b58db000 00:00 0 that has 0 as its final numeric field, will have no further text following that 0. However, on this machine there are routinely several lines like this 0804e000-08070000 rwxp 0804e000 00:00 0 [heap] with additional text. When one of those is encountered, the zero is read into the aptly named "whoknows" variable, the loop continues, the following iteration's fscanf (which is intended to read the next line) fails as it gets the spare text as input instead, and parsing ends. This patch just pulls the fscanf for the path field up a few lines, so it can eat any spare text that may be present before moving on to the next line. It should be backward compatible. I've only tested this against one kernel so far, and it's not a very new one (2.6.13-something). Chris -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: unlock.patch Type: text/x-diff Size: 337 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://music.columbia.edu/pipermail/linux-audio-user/attachments/20061108/41150457/unlock-0001.bin From k.s.matheussen at notam02.no Wed Nov 8 06:49:55 2006 From: k.s.matheussen at notam02.no (Kjetil S. Matheussen) Date: Wed Nov 8 06:50:07 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: [ANN] Snd-ls V0.9.7.12 and jack_capture V0.3.9 In-Reply-To: <20061108112836.CB71E3F04058@music.columbia.edu> References: <20061108112836.CB71E3F04058@music.columbia.edu> Message-ID: Dubphil: > > Kjetil S. Matheussen a ?crit : >> operation is to capture whatever sound is going out to your speakers >> into a file. This is the program I always wanted to have for jack, but no >> one made. > and what about Timemachine ? > Old disussion. Check out the archives. Personally, I don't quite understand why the two programs are even being compared. But a short version is that Timemachine is steve harris' emulation of a special minidisk player he has in a studio, while jack_capture is a general recording tool. From nomoa at wanadoo.fr Wed Nov 8 07:11:48 2006 From: nomoa at wanadoo.fr (David Causse) Date: Wed Nov 8 07:11:05 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Re: Gentoo: Alsa/Snd-usb-audio not working anymore In-Reply-To: <1162946034.22849.219.camel@mindpipe> References: <45507BC5.5090601@herhoffer.net> <200611072013.44141.ce@christeck.de> <4550E695.40100@herhoffer.net> <1162932421.22849.156.camel@mindpipe> <1162934067.15613.72.camel@localhost.localdomain> <45510B36.7040001@gmail.com> <20061108002446.GA9440@localdomain> <1162946034.22849.219.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <20061108121148.GB9440@localdomain> On Tue, Nov 07, 2006 at 07:33:53PM -0500, Lee Revell wrote: > On Wed, 2006-11-08 at 01:24 +0100, David Causse wrote: > > On Tue, Nov 07, 2006 at 11:39:50PM +0100, Atte Andr? Jensen wrote: > > > Paul Davis wrote: > > > > > > >Maybe users should use names, but apps shouldn't be doing this. They > > > >would become totally non-portable. > > > > > > Well, I just rolled 2.6.18-rt7 (was on 2.6.15) and the device numbers > > > are completely reshuffled. I would imagine any setup that relies on the > > > device numbers (and not names) would be totally messed up in situations > > > such as these. > > > > IMHO card number should be static and setup by system conf (index=xx > > module option), that sounds much cleaner to me. > > How could this possibly be cleaner or simpler than addressing devices by > name like every other OS does? I don't know what OS you talk about but if I take windows as example, name is not the only parameter to identify devices, if I plug my usb key in an another port I use to, windows consider it as a new device. And device name will be something like "Storage Key (2)" but it is the same device. So 2 names for one device, doesn't work to fixate an app config. I don't have very good knowledge especially how usb-audio works but when I look at /proc/asound/cards I see a table and columns, and if I have to select one and only one the "much cleaner" way to do so is to identify what column is unique and I consider that index is the right parameter to restrict for. Maybe it is not practical especially for usb but usb ease of use (plug/unplug do what ever you want) is maybe not compatible with someone who want to fixate its app config. User should restrict himself in the way he uses his usb devices. You have better knowledge of this so I don't want to contradict but I can't understand why you consider that name is a good way to identify device. I have a rdms point of view so it's why when I heard something like you have to select something by it's label or even part of its label it sounds very ugly in my ears :). David. From dubphil at free.fr Wed Nov 8 07:12:42 2006 From: dubphil at free.fr (Dubphil) Date: Wed Nov 8 07:12:38 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: [ANN] Snd-ls V0.9.7.12 and jack_capture V0.3.9 In-Reply-To: References: <20061108112836.CB71E3F04058@music.columbia.edu> Message-ID: <4551C9BA.1030308@free.fr> Kjetil S. Matheussen a ?crit : > Old disussion. Check out the archives. Personally, I don't quite > understand why the two programs are even being compared. But a short > version is that Timemachine is steve harris' emulation of a special > minidisk player he has in a studio, while jack_capture is a general > recording tool. > ok if this has been already debated I stop here, but the description you give in your announce should IMHO turned differently to avoid the comparison. Regards Philippe From dsbaikov at gmail.com Wed Nov 8 07:34:37 2006 From: dsbaikov at gmail.com (Dmitry Baikov) Date: Wed Nov 8 07:34:50 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Here we go punk - Call for collaboration In-Reply-To: <20061108100621.GB5460@charly.SWORD> References: <20061107211634.GG5405@charly.SWORD> <20061108100621.GB5460@charly.SWORD> Message-ID: <70a871c80611080434n180e7676oa0c7027375fa76c1@mail.gmail.com> Subject made me interested, but after listening I can hardly call it punk-rock :) Even taking into account that guitars should be real, not GM. Dmitry. From nomoa at wanadoo.fr Wed Nov 8 07:40:17 2006 From: nomoa at wanadoo.fr (David Causse) Date: Wed Nov 8 07:39:30 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Re: Gentoo: Alsa/Snd-usb-audio not working anymore In-Reply-To: <4551A0A7.8020604@gmail.com> References: <45507BC5.5090601@herhoffer.net> <200611072013.44141.ce@christeck.de> <4550E695.40100@herhoffer.net> <1162932421.22849.156.camel@mindpipe> <1162934067.15613.72.camel@localhost.localdomain> <45510B36.7040001@gmail.com> <20061108002446.GA9440@localdomain> <4551A0A7.8020604@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20061108124017.GC9440@localdomain> On Wed, Nov 08, 2006 at 10:17:27AM +0100, Atte Andr? Jensen wrote: > David Causse wrote: > > >IMHO card number should be static and setup by system conf (index=xx > >module option), that sounds much cleaner to me. > > This is not possible in this case as far as I understood it. It's a > decision from the kernel guys to change device number of practically > everything. It includes stuff like "Midi Through". > > I use (or used to use) static device numbers setup via > /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base, but in my scripting I now totally avoid > devise numbers (for instance when connecting alsa clients). Using names > or program some logic that looks for substrings in names instead, have > proven to be much more robust. What about the usb-audio vid/pid options to determine the devices order? David. From contact at sciss.de Wed Nov 8 07:58:32 2006 From: contact at sciss.de (Sciss) Date: Wed Nov 8 07:58:41 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] pc suggestions Message-ID: <71FE1AD8-69AB-4447-91EF-6837E3402C05@sciss.de> hello, i have been off the list for a while. i need a rather _urgent_ advice on the buying of a PC for combined Linux / WinXP audio. as a personal Mac user, i'm rather bad concerning the different CPUs, mother boards, firmwares etc. the budget is 3000 EUR, which must cover the whole computer including soundcard (= HDSP 9652 which is 500 EUR here). monitors we have already. the setup suggested to me is intel core 2 duo (which one? also i don't know if there are 64bit problems with windows or linux?), like 2.33 GHz or better, and ubuntu distribution, PCI architecture (to my knowledge RME hasn't released any PCIe versions of its cards), matrox graphicscard. the machine is standing in a separate room, so space / housing / noise is a rather low priority. the graphicscard must be able to feed two TFT monitors analogue (but digital-option would be cool), so the suggestion is matrox millenium p650 (costs 220 EUR approx. however 64 MB RAM doesn't sound extremely fancy nowadays??). it should have a couple of USB2 and a firewire connector. for people reading in germany, if you have any recommendation of companies selling those boxes (preferably "all in one") with linux compatibility in mind, i'm thankfull for receiving hints offlist. is there anything that certainly won't work? thanks, -sciss- From atte.jensen at gmail.com Wed Nov 8 08:00:32 2006 From: atte.jensen at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Atte_Andr=E9_Jensen?=) Date: Wed Nov 8 08:00:48 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Re: Gentoo: Alsa/Snd-usb-audio not working anymore In-Reply-To: <20061108124017.GC9440@localdomain> References: <45507BC5.5090601@herhoffer.net> <200611072013.44141.ce@christeck.de> <4550E695.40100@herhoffer.net> <1162932421.22849.156.camel@mindpipe> <1162934067.15613.72.camel@localhost.localdomain> <45510B36.7040001@gmail.com> <20061108002446.GA9440@localdomain> <4551A0A7.8020604@gmail.com> <20061108124017.GC9440@localdomain> Message-ID: <4551D4F0.7060109@gmail.com> David Causse wrote: > What about the usb-audio vid/pid options to determine the devices order? That works. But as I said, something happened in alsa 1.0.11rc1 that moved my index=0 from 72 to 14 in aconnect. You might want to take a look at Clemens Ladisch's reply to me on the matter when it first happened: http://lalists.stanford.edu/lau/2006/04/0576.html -- peace, love & harmony Atte http://www.atte.dk | quintet: http://www.anagrammer.dk | compositions: http://www.atte.dk/compositions From Tobias.Gehrig at ira.uka.de Wed Nov 8 08:29:44 2006 From: Tobias.Gehrig at ira.uka.de (Tobias Gehrig) Date: Wed Nov 8 08:41:33 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] VOIP and JACK In-Reply-To: <87fyd2ggg3.fsf@esben-stien.name> References: <87y7qymy3o.fsf@esben-stien.name> <20061029230440.GA11825@replic.net> <87fyd2ggg3.fsf@esben-stien.name> Message-ID: <1162992584.5694.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> Hi, linphone has jack-support for quite a while now. And there is even a console version of it. But I haven't used it for some time. So I cannot say anything about the current status of it. MfG Tobias Am Donnerstag, den 02.11.2006, 13:51 +0100 schrieb Esben Stien: > carmen <_@whats-your.name> writes: > > > does that require OSS emulation? > > For the moment; only thing that works for me without too much problems > is twinkle. > > > sounds like a lot of work. > > Not really, it's just compiling a firing up oss2jack, but it's not a > clean solution and it has its limitations. > > > is there a good wiki entry on using oss2jack? > > After I compile it and load the kfusd module, I: > > #mv /dev/dsp /dev/dsp-org > #ln -s /dev/dsp5 /dev/dsp > $oss2jack -V -n 5 > > > twinkle doesnt work with plug:jack > > I have found plug:jack to not work with anything. My setup is 96kHz > and that's the reason for a lot of it. > > > something that just autoconnects > > Auto connection is evil, pure evil, as in the fruits of the devil;). > > > maybe a small ncurses daemon > > A jacked daemon, then have your choice of client to use;). > > > you can use asterisk as a softphone > > Yeah, I did use that before with oss2jack. I'm happily a non asterisk > user now, cause that piece of software has got some serious vitamin b > deficiencies;). I use freeswitch at the time. > > > ekiga isnt perfect, i get nothing but silence > > My mother uses ekiga without problems, but that's ALSA. > > > you cant run asterisk and ekiga on the same host without manualy > > overring the port 5060 > > Well, sure, the server should have 5060 and all clients can have > whatever. > > > VOIP on linux? totall sucks . as a user.. > > It's a little jungle;), but much works without JACK. From t_w_ at freenet.de Wed Nov 8 09:38:41 2006 From: t_w_ at freenet.de (Thorsten Wilms) Date: Wed Nov 8 09:38:55 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Here we go punk - Call for collaboration In-Reply-To: <70a871c80611080434n180e7676oa0c7027375fa76c1@mail.gmail.com> References: <20061107211634.GG5405@charly.SWORD> <20061108100621.GB5460@charly.SWORD> <70a871c80611080434n180e7676oa0c7027375fa76c1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20061108143841.GC5460@charly.SWORD> On Wed, Nov 08, 2006 at 03:34:37PM +0300, Dmitry Baikov wrote: > Subject made me interested, but after listening I can hardly call it > punk-rock :) > Even taking into account that guitars should be real, not GM. I'm well aware that especialy the intro hasn't much to do with punk. Still it's a good label to describe the direction I aim in. You might think it's too tame ... I can only say that this has quiet a lot to do with sounds/instruments ;) Should have mentioned that the subject is just the working title. -- Thorsten Wilms From ivalladolidt at terra.es Wed Nov 8 10:28:47 2006 From: ivalladolidt at terra.es (Ismael Valladolid Torres) Date: Wed Nov 8 10:29:04 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Ingo Molnar patches outdated? Message-ID: <20061108152847.GA1792@gmail.com> Latest preempt patch available on Ingo Molnar's site is patch-2.6.18-rt7. However kernel up to 2.6.19-rc4 is available. Does this mean that preempt patches merged into the kernel in 2.6.19, or does this mean that I must stick to 2.6.18 if I want preemption? Cordially, Ismael -- Ismael Valladolid Torres "Il est vain de pleurer sur l'esprit, il suffit de travailler pour lui." Albert Camus http://digitrazos.info/ http://lamediahostia.blogspot.com/ OpenPGP key ID: 0xDE721AF4 http://www.hispasonic.com/foro73.html Jabber ID: ivalladt@jabberes.org From markknecht at gmail.com Wed Nov 8 10:30:26 2006 From: markknecht at gmail.com (Mark Knecht) Date: Wed Nov 8 10:30:44 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Ingo Molnar patches outdated? In-Reply-To: <20061108152847.GA1792@gmail.com> References: <20061108152847.GA1792@gmail.com> Message-ID: <5bdc1c8b0611080730k7c4de045m8b59b05d697a404a@mail.gmail.com> Stick with 2.6.18 until Ingo releases something for 2.6.19. HTH, Mark On 11/8/06, Ismael Valladolid Torres wrote: > Latest preempt patch available on Ingo Molnar's site is > patch-2.6.18-rt7. However kernel up to 2.6.19-rc4 is available. Does > this mean that preempt patches merged into the kernel in 2.6.19, or > does this mean that I must stick to 2.6.18 if I want preemption? > > Cordially, Ismael > -- > Ismael Valladolid Torres "Il est vain de pleurer sur l'esprit, il suffit > de travailler pour lui." Albert Camus > http://digitrazos.info/ > http://lamediahostia.blogspot.com/ OpenPGP key ID: 0xDE721AF4 > http://www.hispasonic.com/foro73.html Jabber ID: ivalladt@jabberes.org > > From ivalladolidt at terra.es Wed Nov 8 11:27:12 2006 From: ivalladolidt at terra.es (Ismael Valladolid Torres) Date: Wed Nov 8 11:27:40 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Ingo Molnar patches outdated? In-Reply-To: <5bdc1c8b0611080730k7c4de045m8b59b05d697a404a@mail.gmail.com> References: <20061108152847.GA1792@gmail.com> <5bdc1c8b0611080730k7c4de045m8b59b05d697a404a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20061108162712.GD1792@gmail.com> Mark Knecht escribe: > Stick with 2.6.18 until Ingo releases something for 2.6.19. Then if patch-2.6.18-rt7 is available, downloading kernel 2.6.18.2 is ok or must I use mere 2.6.18 instead? Cordially, Ismael -- Ismael Valladolid Torres "Il est vain de pleurer sur l'esprit, il suffit de travailler pour lui." Albert Camus http://digitrazos.info/ http://lamediahostia.blogspot.com/ OpenPGP key ID: 0xDE721AF4 http://www.hispasonic.com/foro73.html Jabber ID: ivalladt@jabberes.org From markknecht at gmail.com Wed Nov 8 11:33:13 2006 From: markknecht at gmail.com (Mark Knecht) Date: Wed Nov 8 11:34:34 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Ingo Molnar patches outdated? In-Reply-To: <20061108162712.GD1792@gmail.com> References: <20061108152847.GA1792@gmail.com> <5bdc1c8b0611080730k7c4de045m8b59b05d697a404a@mail.gmail.com> <20061108162712.GD1792@gmail.com> Message-ID: <5bdc1c8b0611080833y4c1fee43g47181680ac24a1e2@mail.gmail.com> On 11/8/06, Ismael Valladolid Torres wrote: > Mark Knecht escribe: > > Stick with 2.6.18 until Ingo releases something for 2.6.19. > > Then if patch-2.6.18-rt7 is available, downloading kernel 2.6.18.2 is > ok or must I use mere 2.6.18 instead? > > Cordially, Ismae The base 2.6.18 kernel, not the revision 2.6.18.x kernel. Have fun, Mark From markus at herhoffer.net Wed Nov 8 11:56:30 2006 From: markus at herhoffer.net (Markus Herhoffer) Date: Wed Nov 8 11:57:20 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Musical linuxsampler? Message-ID: <45520C3E.8040709@herhoffer.net> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA256 Hello! I am not a big friend of sampling as I am used to the sounds of real instruments. But I decided to give qsampler/linuxsampler (CVS version from Gentoo pro-audio overlay) a try. And as expected my virtual symphonic orchestra sounds disgusting. It seems to me that this is not a problem of the sampling quality. I use some mid-price samples in Gigasampler format. The real problem is the "statics" of the sound. Every tone sounds the same. This is extremely annoying on woodwinds and brasses. Now my question: Are there any dynamic MIDI parameters linuxsampler/libgig is able to react to? I've noticed that the engine interprets the pitch data. Are there any other parameters (like aftertouch, sustain, breath ctrl etc.) the engine responds to? Or are there other concepts for making the music more sound like real music? Markus -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFFUgw+uXdsp50C0vMRCLmHAKDBOUOp+d3gWhc+UtKcGQrQKtyEfQCcCCKT PMGsa/pnoltyQ/sWQ3um+pE= =uOKv -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From stuff at trackingsolutions.ca Wed Nov 8 12:24:44 2006 From: stuff at trackingsolutions.ca (stuff@trackingsolutions.ca) Date: Wed Nov 8 12:25:01 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Musical linuxsampler? In-Reply-To: <45520C3E.8040709@herhoffer.net> References: <45520C3E.8040709@herhoffer.net> Message-ID: <200611081024.44784.stuff@trackingsolutions.ca> Do the samples sound good in GigaStudio/GigaSampler? I am running Vienna Symphonic Library Horizon Series with linuxsampler and have compared it running in GigaStudio and it sounds great. You could always ask this question at the linux sampler list: https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/linuxsampler-devel On Wednesday 08 November 2006 9:56 am, Markus Herhoffer wrote: > Hello! > > I am not a big friend of sampling as I am used to the sounds of real > instruments. But I decided to give qsampler/linuxsampler (CVS version > from Gentoo pro-audio overlay) a try. And as expected my virtual > symphonic orchestra sounds disgusting. > > It seems to me that this is not a problem of the sampling quality. I use > some mid-price samples in Gigasampler format. The real problem is the > "statics" of the sound. Every tone sounds the same. This is extremely > annoying on woodwinds and brasses. > > Now my question: Are there any dynamic MIDI parameters > linuxsampler/libgig is able to react to? I've noticed that the engine > interprets the pitch data. Are there any other parameters (like > aftertouch, sustain, breath ctrl etc.) the engine responds to? Or are > there other concepts for making the music more sound like real music? > > Markus From markknecht at gmail.com Wed Nov 8 12:50:49 2006 From: markknecht at gmail.com (Mark Knecht) Date: Wed Nov 8 12:50:58 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Musical linuxsampler? In-Reply-To: <45520C3E.8040709@herhoffer.net> References: <45520C3E.8040709@herhoffer.net> Message-ID: <5bdc1c8b0611080950m5cb71fe4v1bf9120325a4b3a3@mail.gmail.com> On 11/8/06, Markus Herhoffer wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA256 > > Hello! > > I am not a big friend of sampling as I am used to the sounds of real > instruments. But I decided to give qsampler/linuxsampler (CVS version > from Gentoo pro-audio overlay) a try. And as expected my virtual > symphonic orchestra sounds disgusting. > > It seems to me that this is not a problem of the sampling quality. I use > some mid-price samples in Gigasampler format. The real problem is the > "statics" of the sound. Every tone sounds the same. This is extremely > annoying on woodwinds and brasses. > > Now my question: Are there any dynamic MIDI parameters > linuxsampler/libgig is able to react to? I've noticed that the engine > interprets the pitch data. Are there any other parameters (like > aftertouch, sustain, breath ctrl etc.) the engine responds to? Or are > there other concepts for making the music more sound like real music? > > Markus > Reduce your MIDI velocities and you'll start to get more expressiveness. This is true with both LS (which I don't use anymore) and GSt. (which I use all the time) I find keeping average velocity way down in the 40, 50, 60 ranges is what more library vendows expect for average notes. The libraries I use are all 4, 8 & 16 level libraries. If you are using an inexpensive 1 or 2 level library then your results will likely not be as good. IIRC LS had some problems when you used high velocities with some sound cards. LS created distortions that GSt did not. Set up orchestral based panning to place the sounds in more real locations and things will likely also improve. good luck, Mark From folderol at ukfsn.org Wed Nov 8 15:34:08 2006 From: folderol at ukfsn.org (Folderol) Date: Wed Nov 8 15:34:40 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Sad Angel (n) In-Reply-To: <20061106223722.GA5917@linux-1.site> References: <20061101225645.52eff5d5@localhost> <20061102130933.GA6048@charly.SWORD> <20061106194653.5cf33a04@localhost> <20061106223722.GA5917@linux-1.site> Message-ID: <20061108203408.252d0bd8@localhost> On Mon, 6 Nov 2006 23:37:22 +0100 Fons Adriaensen wrote: > On Mon, Nov 06, 2006 at 07:46:53PM +0000, Folderol wrote: > > > I really don't have any idea as to what style this should be regarded > > as. I just played what I felt. > > What I liked very much about 'Sad Angel' is that the harmony always > goes just the way you don't expect it to go. Thanks. My mother always said I was 'difficult' :) > But why should angels be sad ??? They shouldn't be, but with what humanity is doing to itself and all other creatures of earth they probably weep continuously. -- Will J G From b0ef at esben-stien.name Wed Nov 8 18:03:37 2006 From: b0ef at esben-stien.name (Esben Stien) Date: Wed Nov 8 16:19:03 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] VOIP and JACK In-Reply-To: <1162992584.5694.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> (Tobias Gehrig's message of "Wed, 08 Nov 2006 14:29:44 +0100") References: <87y7qymy3o.fsf@esben-stien.name> <20061029230440.GA11825@replic.net> <87fyd2ggg3.fsf@esben-stien.name> <1162992584.5694.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <87ac31y20m.fsf@esben-stien.name> Tobias Gehrig writes: > linphone has jack-support for quite a while Yeah, used it for a long time, but this piece of jack code has horrible bugs;). I'm so glad I found a solution outside linphone. The new linphone does not even use this code, so a buggy JACK capable linphone is only available in the old linphone. I really like its core/UI separation part, though; really proper way to make software;). -- Esben Stien is b0ef@e s a http://www. s t n m irc://irc. b - i . e/%23contact sip:b0ef@ e e jid:b0ef@ n n From b0ef at esben-stien.name Wed Nov 8 18:07:22 2006 From: b0ef at esben-stien.name (Esben Stien) Date: Wed Nov 8 16:22:50 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] PC Keyboard questions In-Reply-To: <20061104173638.GA654@darkstar> (David Causse's message of "Sat, 4 Nov 2006 18:36:38 +0100") References: <454B3B94.8020405@wanadoo.fr> <454B83CC.9080601@wanadoo.fr> <87slgzcrzh.fsf@esben-stien.name> <20061104173638.GA654@darkstar> Message-ID: <873b8ty1ud.fsf@esben-stien.name> David Causse writes: > I don't understand this phrase "You see, supercollider is about > manipulating the graph in a music v style", what is music v style? Well, basically connecting modules with not much flow control;). You'll find lots of info on music v;) - it's how most modular synths work. -- Esben Stien is b0ef@e s a http://www. s t n m irc://irc. b - i . e/%23contact sip:b0ef@ e e jid:b0ef@ n n From gnome at hawaii.rr.com Wed Nov 8 19:02:08 2006 From: gnome at hawaii.rr.com (david) Date: Wed Nov 8 19:02:21 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [ANN] Snd-ls V0.9.7.12 and jack_capture V0.3.9 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <45527000.2030900@hawaii.rr.com> Kjetil S. Matheussen wrote: > jack_capture v0.3.9 > =================== > jack_capture is a program for recording soundfiles with jack. Its default > operation is to capture whatever sound is going out to your speakers > into a file. This is the program I always wanted to have for jack, but no > one made. So here it is. > > Changes 0.3.8 -> 0.3.9: > ----------------------- > *Changed the -rt option name to -d, to be compatible with jackrec. > *Do not stop recording in case of disk errors. > *Replaced deprecated libsndfile functions. > *Added the --format/-f option. ("jack_capture -f flac", nice :-) ) > (adding "-f w64" solves the 4GB limitation of wav files) OK, downloaded the RPM, converted it with alien, installed it on my Debian system. Trying to start it from a root command line gives message "jack_capture: error while loading shared libraries: libjack.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory." Jack is installed and works. Is there documentation for this program that sounds like something I need, also? -- David gnome@hawaii.rr.com authenticity, honesty, community From jack.oquin at gmail.com Wed Nov 8 19:10:27 2006 From: jack.oquin at gmail.com (Jack O'Quin) Date: Wed Nov 8 19:11:16 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [ANN] Snd-ls V0.9.7.12 and jack_capture V0.3.9 In-Reply-To: <45527000.2030900@hawaii.rr.com> References: <45527000.2030900@hawaii.rr.com> Message-ID: On 11/8/06, david wrote: > Kjetil S. Matheussen wrote: > > > jack_capture v0.3.9 > > =================== > > jack_capture is a program for recording soundfiles with jack. Its default > > operation is to capture whatever sound is going out to your speakers > > into a file. This is the program I always wanted to have for jack, but no > > one made. So here it is. > > > > Changes 0.3.8 -> 0.3.9: > > ----------------------- > > *Changed the -rt option name to -d, to be compatible with jackrec. > > *Do not stop recording in case of disk errors. > > *Replaced deprecated libsndfile functions. > > *Added the --format/-f option. ("jack_capture -f flac", nice :-) ) > > (adding "-f w64" solves the 4GB limitation of wav files) > > OK, downloaded the RPM, converted it with alien, installed it on my > Debian system. Trying to start it from a root command line gives message > "jack_capture: error while loading shared libraries: libjack.so.0: > cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory." > > Jack is installed and works. Is there documentation for this program > that sounds like something I need, also? The Debian JACK package uses a different library name than most others. You may be able to finesse this problem by symlinking /usr/lib/libjack-0.100.0.so.0 to libjack-0.100.0.so.0.0.23 (or something like that). You may find it easier just to build and install it yourself. Alien is not easy to use with JACK clients. -- joq From drucer99 at yahoo.com Thu Nov 9 05:39:38 2006 From: drucer99 at yahoo.com (Drucer Ninetynine) Date: Thu Nov 9 05:39:50 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] "Import drum tabulature" feature? Message-ID: <20061109103938.52397.qmail@web52214.mail.yahoo.com> Ciao! I was wondering if any of the drum machine applications can import drum tabulatures? Anyone have any idea? I looked at Hydrogen's feature set but seems like Hydrogen does not support such feature yet. Any other drum software that supports this feature? Here's an example of drum tabulature: C = Crash H = Hi-Hat S = Snare B = Bass Verse 1 C|x-------x-------| H|--x-x-x---x-x-x-| S|--o---o---o---o-| B|o---o---o---o---| ____________________________________________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail. http://new.mail.yahoo.com From dlphillips at woh.rr.com Thu Nov 9 06:06:02 2006 From: dlphillips at woh.rr.com (Dave Phillips) Date: Thu Nov 9 06:01:58 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] "Import drum tabulature" feature? In-Reply-To: <20061109103938.52397.qmail@web52214.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20061109103938.52397.qmail@web52214.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <45530B9A.4090703@woh.rr.com> Drucer Ninetynine wrote: >I was wondering if any of the drum machine >applications can import drum tabulatures? > Gneutronica. I recently profiled it in my blog at LJ. http://gneutronica.sourceforge.net/ http://www.linuxjournal.com/node/1000117 Best, dp From smcameron at yahoo.com Thu Nov 9 09:08:38 2006 From: smcameron at yahoo.com (Stephen Cameron) Date: Thu Nov 9 09:08:53 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] "Import drum tabulature" feature? In-Reply-To: <45530B9A.4090703@woh.rr.com> Message-ID: <20061109140838.69889.qmail@web33014.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- Dave Phillips wrote: > Drucer Ninetynine wrote: > > >I was wondering if any of the drum machine > >applications can import drum tabulatures? > > > Gneutronica. I recently profiled it in my blog at LJ. > > http://gneutronica.sourceforge.net/ > > http://www.linuxjournal.com/node/1000117 > Yep, you can either use the menu items to do it, or just highlight the tablature with the mouse and paste it via the clipboard or with the middle mouse button into the arranger window. It's not the most sophisticated tablature parser in the world, but better than nothing. BTW, thanks for writing about my little program Dave! -- steve ____________________________________________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta. http://new.mail.yahoo.com From lilli.chiffon at free.fr Thu Nov 9 13:23:16 2006 From: lilli.chiffon at free.fr (Lilli Chiffon) Date: Thu Nov 9 13:23:32 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] GUI problem on Ardour Message-ID: <45537214.5010508@free.fr> Hi the list, I have a problem with the GUI of Ardour. I manipulated the main windows of Ardour with the mouse to resize it ant some inside windows, as the regions/name window and all windows on the left side, disapear (the leftbottom part of the window editor overlap the region/name window) I tryed to fix it by recompiling but no change, the appearance of the editor window still the same, and it's not very convenient to workwith. I'm working on gnome but I've got the same problem on fluxbox. Someone have an idea where i can search (Am i enough clear ?) Best regards P'tit Louis From redfox at 99b.org Thu Nov 9 13:30:33 2006 From: redfox at 99b.org (Chris Abbott) Date: Thu Nov 9 13:31:09 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] GUI problem on Ardour In-Reply-To: <45537214.5010508@free.fr> References: <45537214.5010508@free.fr> Message-ID: <455373C9.8000801@99b.org> Lilli Chiffon wrote: > Hi the list, > > I have a problem with the GUI of Ardour. > > I manipulated the main windows of Ardour with the mouse to resize it > ant some inside windows, as the regions/name window and all windows on > the left side, disapear (the leftbottom part of the window editor > overlap the region/name window) > > I tryed to fix it by recompiling but no change, the appearance of the > editor window still the same, and it's not very convenient to > workwith. I'm working on gnome but I've got the same problem on fluxbox. > > Someone have an idea where i can search (Am i enough clear ?) > Have you tried removing .ardour in your home directory? That's where the file for the window sizes and such are. Hope that helps. -Chris > Best regards > > P'tit Louis > > From k.s.matheussen at notam02.no Thu Nov 9 13:47:18 2006 From: k.s.matheussen at notam02.no (Kjetil S. Matheussen) Date: Thu Nov 9 13:47:34 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: [ANN] Snd-ls V0.9.7.12 and jack_capture V0.3.9 In-Reply-To: <20061109183118.3E9C63F81587@music.columbia.edu> References: <20061109183118.3E9C63F81587@music.columbia.edu> Message-ID: david: > > Kjetil S. Matheussen wrote: > >> jack_capture v0.3.9 >> =================== >> jack_capture is a program for recording soundfiles with jack. Its default >> operation is to capture whatever sound is going out to your speakers >> into a file. This is the program I always wanted to have for jack, but no >> one made. So here it is. >> >> Changes 0.3.8 -> 0.3.9: >> ----------------------- >> *Changed the -rt option name to -d, to be compatible with jackrec. >> *Do not stop recording in case of disk errors. >> *Replaced deprecated libsndfile functions. >> *Added the --format/-f option. ("jack_capture -f flac", nice :-) ) >> (adding "-f w64" solves the 4GB limitation of wav files) > > OK, downloaded the RPM, converted it with alien, installed it on my > Debian system. Trying to start it from a root command line gives message > "jack_capture: error while loading shared libraries: libjack.so.0: > cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory." > > Jack is installed and works. Is there documentation for this program > that sounds like something I need, also? > I don't know of any RPM... Installing jack_capture is very very though: apt-get install jack-devel apt-get install libsndfile-devel wget http://www.notam02.no/arkiv/src/jack_capture-0.3.9.tar.gz tar xvzf jack_capture-0.3.9.tar.gz cd jack_capture-0.3.9 make make install /usr/local/bin/jack_capture -h From lilli.chiffon at free.fr Thu Nov 9 14:51:53 2006 From: lilli.chiffon at free.fr (Lilli Chiffon) Date: Thu Nov 9 14:52:09 2006 Subject: [Resolve][linux-audio-user] GUI problem on Ardour In-Reply-To: <455373C9.8000801@99b.org> References: <45537214.5010508@free.fr> <455373C9.8000801@99b.org> Message-ID: <455386D9.1020002@free.fr> Chris Abbott a ?crit : > > > Lilli Chiffon wrote: > >> Hi the list, >> >> I have a problem with the GUI of Ardour. >> >> I manipulated the main windows of Ardour with the mouse to resize it >> ant some inside windows, as the regions/name window and all windows >> on the left side, disapear (the leftbottom part of the window editor >> overlap the region/name window) >> >> I tryed to fix it by recompiling but no change, the appearance of the >> editor window still the same, and it's not very convenient to >> workwith. I'm working on gnome but I've got the same problem on fluxbox. >> >> Someone have an idea where i can search (Am i enough clear ?) >> > Have you tried removing .ardour in your home directory? That's where > the file for the window sizes and such are. Hope that helps. > > -Chris I just tryed this and it works, thanks a lot Chris, i never think about hiden files in my home directory. Cheers P'tit Louis > > >> Best regards >> >> P'tit Louis >> >> > > From wagi at monom.org Thu Nov 9 16:23:42 2006 From: wagi at monom.org (Daniel Wagner) Date: Thu Nov 9 16:22:16 2006 Subject: [Freebob-devel] [linux-audio-user] Re: Help me set the volume for Freebob, please! In-Reply-To: References: <4548F6F4.4090200@monom.org> <45492B3C.7090507@monom.org> <454E4CDB.2050005@monom.org> <454E4D54.2010201@monom.org> <454FA490.2070008@monom.org> Message-ID: <45539C5E.1050303@monom.org> > Daniel, it might have not been this specific problem, but your replying > to help me immediately, that means something to me. Thank you so much > for that... it was really more than kindness. Maybe a little bit of > ardour. I feel really enriched. You're welcome. It was on my list to do but not in that order. So you just reordered my todo list a bit :) Because of that I have started to look into the mixer. Looks interesting. cheers, daniel From gnome at hawaii.rr.com Thu Nov 9 16:21:41 2006 From: gnome at hawaii.rr.com (david) Date: Thu Nov 9 16:22:39 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: [ANN] Snd-ls V0.9.7.12 and jack_capture V0.3.9 In-Reply-To: References: <20061109183118.3E9C63F81587@music.columbia.edu> Message-ID: <45539BE5.9040006@hawaii.rr.com> Kjetil S. Matheussen wrote: > david: >> >> Kjetil S. Matheussen wrote: >> >>> jack_capture v0.3.9 >>> =================== >>> jack_capture is a program for recording soundfiles with jack. Its >>> default >>> operation is to capture whatever sound is going out to your speakers >>> into a file. This is the program I always wanted to have for jack, >>> but no >>> one made. So here it is. >>> >>> Changes 0.3.8 -> 0.3.9: >>> ----------------------- >>> *Changed the -rt option name to -d, to be compatible with jackrec. >>> *Do not stop recording in case of disk errors. >>> *Replaced deprecated libsndfile functions. >>> *Added the --format/-f option. ("jack_capture -f flac", nice :-) ) >>> (adding "-f w64" solves the 4GB limitation of wav files) >> >> OK, downloaded the RPM, converted it with alien, installed it on my >> Debian system. Trying to start it from a root command line gives message >> "jack_capture: error while loading shared libraries: libjack.so.0: >> cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory." >> >> Jack is installed and works. Is there documentation for this program >> that sounds like something I need, also? >> > > I don't know of any RPM... > Installing jack_capture is very very though: > > apt-get install jack-devel > apt-get install libsndfile-devel Each of those lines gives me the messages "Couldn't find package" > wget http://www.notam02.no/arkiv/src/jack_capture-0.3.9.tar.gz > tar xvzf jack_capture-0.3.9.tar.gz > cd jack_capture-0.3.9 Those worked. > make And the results: gcc -O3 jack_capture.c -o jack_capture -ljack -lsndfile -Wall jack_capture.c:28:21: error: sndfile.h: No such file or directory jack_capture.c:32:23: error: jack/jack.h: No such file or directory jack_capture.c:33:29: error: jack/ringbuffer.h: No such file or directory jack_capture.c:53: error: expected '=', ',', ';', 'asm' or '__attribute__' before '*' token jack_capture.c:64: error: expected '=', ',', ';', 'asm' or '__attribute__' before '*' token jack_capture.c:65: error: expected '=', ',', ';', 'asm' or '__attribute__' before 'sample_t' jack_capture.c:81: error: expected '=', ',', ';', 'asm' or '__attribute__' before '*' token jack_capture.c:84: error: expected specifier-qualifier-list before 'sample_t' jack_capture.c:100: error: expected '=', ',', ';', 'asm' or '__attribute__' before '*' token jack_capture.c:101: error: expected '=', ',', ';', 'asm' or '__attribute__' before '*' token jack_capture.c: In function 'buffers_init': jack_capture.c:114: error: expected '=', ',', ';', 'asm' or '__attribute__' before '*' token jack_capture.c:114: error: 'das_buffer' undeclared (first use in this function) jack_capture.c:114: error: (Each undeclared identifier is reported only once jack_capture.c:114: error: for each function it appears in.) jack_capture.c:118: error: 'buffers' undeclared (first use in this function) jack_capture.c:119: error: 'empty_buffer' undeclared (first use in this function) jack_capture.c:122: error: 'sample_t' undeclared (first use in this function) jack_capture.c:131: error: 'rb' undeclared (first use in this function) jack_capture.c:132: warning: implicit declaration of function 'jack_ringbuffer_free' jack_capture.c:134: warning: implicit declaration of function 'jack_ringbuffer_create' jack_capture.c:155: error: expected expression before ')' token jack_capture.c: At top level: jack_capture.c:172: error: expected '=', ',', ';', 'asm' or '__attribute__' before '*' token jack_capture.c: In function 'portnames_add_defaults': jack_capture.c:210: warning: implicit declaration of function 'jack_get_ports' jack_capture.c:210: error: 'client' undeclared (first use in this function) jack_capture.c:210: error: 'JackPortIsPhysical' undeclared (first use in this function) jack_capture.c:210: error: 'JackPortIsInput' undeclared (first use in this function) jack_capture.c: In function 'portnames_add': jack_capture.c:226: error: 'client' undeclared (first use in this function) jack_capture.c: In function 'portnames_get_connections': jack_capture.c:248: error: 'jack_port_t' undeclared (first use in this function) jack_capture.c:248: error: 'port' undeclared (first use in this function) jack_capture.c:248: warning: implicit declaration of function 'jack_port_by_name' jack_capture.c:248: error: 'client' undeclared (first use in this function) jack_capture.c:251: warning: implicit declaration of function 'jack_port_flags' jack_capture.c:251: error: 'JackPortIsInput' undeclared (first use in this function) jack_capture.c:252: warning: implicit declaration of function 'jack_port_get_all_connections' jack_capture.c: At top level: jack_capture.c:269: error: expected ')' before '*' token jack_capture.c:282: error: expected ')' before '*' token jack_capture.c: In function 'disk_thread_func': jack_capture.c:298: error: 'SNDFILE' undeclared (first use in this function) jack_capture.c:298: error: 'soundfile' undeclared (first use in this function) jack_capture.c:302: error: 'SF_INFO' undeclared (first use in this function) jack_capture.c:302: error: expected ';' before 'sf_info' jack_capture.c:304: error: 'sf_info' undeclared (first use in this function) jack_capture.c:304: warning: implicit declaration of function 'jack_get_sample_rate' jack_capture.c:304: error: 'client' undeclared (first use in this function) jack_capture.c:308: error: 'SF_FORMAT_AIFF' undeclared (first use in this function) jack_capture.c:309: error: 'SF_FORMAT_AU' undeclared (first use in this function) jack_capture.c:310: error: 'SF_FORMAT_RAW' undeclared (first use in this function) jack_capture.c:311: error: 'SF_FORMAT_SVX' undeclared (first use in this function) jack_capture.c:312: error: 'SF_FORMAT_NIST' undeclared (first use in this function) jack_capture.c:313: error: 'SF_FORMAT_VOC' undeclared (first use in this function) jack_capture.c:314: error: 'SF_FORMAT_IRCAM' undeclared (first use in this function) jack_capture.c:315: error: 'SF_FORMAT_W64' undeclared (first use in this function) jack_capture.c:317: error: 'SF_FORMAT_MAT5' undeclared (first use in this function) jack_capture.c:318: error: 'SF_FORMAT_MAT4' undeclared (first use in this function) jack_capture.c:319: error: 'SF_FORMAT_PVF' undeclared (first use in this function) jack_capture.c:320: error: 'SF_FORMAT_XI' undeclared (first use in this function) jack_capture.c:321: error: 'SF_FORMAT_HTK' undeclared (first use in this function) jack_capture.c:322: error: 'SF_FORMAT_SDS' undeclared (first use in this function) jack_capture.c:323: error: 'SF_FORMAT_AVR' undeclared (first use in this function) jack_capture.c:324: error: 'SF_FORMAT_WAVEX' undeclared (first use in this function) jack_capture.c:325: error: 'SF_FORMAT_SD2' undeclared (first use in this function) jack_capture.c:326: error: 'SF_FORMAT_FLAC' undeclared (first use in this function) jack_capture.c:328: error: 'SF_FORMAT_CAF' undeclared (first use in this function) jack_capture.c:329: error: 'SF_FORMAT_WAV' undeclared (first use in this function) jack_capture.c:332: error: 'SF_FORMAT_PCM_U8' undeclared (first use in this function) jack_capture.c:334: error: 'SF_FORMAT_PCM_16' undeclared (first use in this function) jack_capture.c:336: error: 'SF_FORMAT_PCM_24' undeclared (first use in this function) jack_capture.c:338: error: 'SF_FORMAT_PCM_32' undeclared (first use in this function) jack_capture.c:343: error: 'SF_FORMAT_FLOAT' undeclared (first use in this function) jack_capture.c:349: warning: implicit declaration of function 'sf_open' jack_capture.c:349: error: 'SFM_WRITE' undeclared (first use in this function) jack_capture.c:351: warning: implicit declaration of function 'sf_strerror' jack_capture.c:351: warning: format '%s' expects type 'char *', but argument 4 has type 'int' jack_capture.c:352: warning: implicit declaration of function 'jack_client_close' jack_capture.c:362: warning: implicit declaration of function 'jack_ringbuffer_read_space' jack_capture.c:362: error: 'rb' undeclared (first use in this function) jack_capture.c:364: error: 'sample_t' undeclared (first use in this function) jack_capture.c:364: error: 'buffer' undeclared (first use in this function) jack_capture.c:366: warning: implicit declaration of function 'jack_ringbuffer_read' jack_capture.c:367: error: 'struct ringbuffer_block' has no member named 'buffer' jack_capture.c:370: warning: implicit declaration of function 'disk_write_overruns' jack_capture.c:374: warning: implicit declaration of function 'disk_write' jack_capture.c:398: warning: implicit declaration of function 'sf_close' jack_capture.c: At top level: jack_capture.c:436: error: expected ')' before '*' token jack_capture.c:449: error: expected ')' before '*' token jack_capture.c:463: error: expected ')' before 'nframes' jack_capture.c: In function 'reconnect_ports_questionmark': jack_capture.c:503: error: 'client' undeclared (first use in this function) jack_capture.c:503: error: 'ports' undeclared (first use in this function) jack_capture.c:503: warning: initialization makes pointer from integer without a cast jack_capture.c: In function 'disconnect_ports': jack_capture.c:541: error: 'client' undeclared (first use in this function) jack_capture.c:541: error: 'ports' undeclared (first use in this function) jack_capture.c:541: warning: initialization makes pointer from integer without a cast jack_capture.c:543: warning: implicit declaration of function 'jack_disconnect' jack_capture.c:543: warning: implicit declaration of function 'jack_port_name' jack_capture.c: In function 'connect_ports': jack_capture.c:557: warning: implicit declaration of function 'jack_connect' jack_capture.c:557: error: 'client' undeclared (first use in this function) jack_capture.c:557: error: 'ports' undeclared (first use in this function) jack_capture.c:559: warning: format '%s' expects type 'char *', but argument 3 has type 'int' jack_capture.c: In function 'create_ports': jack_capture.c:609: error: 'ports' undeclared (first use in this function) jack_capture.c:609: error: 'jack_port_t' undeclared (first use in this function) jack_capture.c:609: error: expected expression before ')' token jack_capture.c:615: warning: implicit declaration of function 'jack_port_register' jack_capture.c:615: error: 'client' undeclared (first use in this function) jack_capture.c:615: error: 'JACK_DEFAULT_AUDIO_TYPE' undeclared (first use in this function) jack_capture.c:615: error: 'JackPortIsInput' undeclared (first use in this function) jack_capture.c: In function 'do_exit': jack_capture.c:640: error: 'client' undeclared (first use in this function) jack_capture.c: At top level: jack_capture.c:663: error: expected '=', ',', ';', 'asm' or '__attribute__' before '*' token jack_capture.c: In function 'start_jack': jack_capture.c:685: error: 'client' undeclared (first use in this function) jack_capture.c:685: warning: implicit declaration of function 'new_jack_client' jack_capture.c:687: warning: implicit declaration of function 'jack_get_buffer_size' jack_capture.c: In function 'main': jack_capture.c:788: warning: implicit declaration of function 'jack_set_process_callback' jack_capture.c:788: error: 'client' undeclared (first use in this function) jack_capture.c:788: error: 'process' undeclared (first use in this function) jack_capture.c:789: warning: implicit declaration of function 'jack_on_shutdown' jack_capture.c:791: warning: implicit declaration of function 'jack_set_graph_order_callback' jack_capture.c:792: warning: implicit declaration of function 'jack_set_buffer_size_callback' jack_capture.c:794: warning: implicit declaration of function 'jack_activate' make: *** [all] Error 1 I suspect they're all due to the missing jack-devel and libsndfile-devel packages. Neither of them seem to be in my repository (ftp.de.debian.org). > make install > /usr/local/bin/jack_capture -h Not even going to try those yet. -- David gnome@hawaii.rr.com authenticity, honesty, community From lilli.chiffon at free.fr Thu Nov 9 16:23:12 2006 From: lilli.chiffon at free.fr (Lilli Chiffon) Date: Thu Nov 9 16:24:09 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Ardour, Recorded Track in advance Message-ID: <45539C40.8080600@free.fr> Hi the list, My apologize for all this noise tonight from me. I still have a little problem with ardour. When i record a track, from analog material (my guitar to be precise), i play with a click and i'm on the time. But when i'm listening the result, it's allways a little bit in advance (i can hear it) I compiled my kernel with realtime and preempt patch and when i run ardour and jack, ardour indicate a 0.7 ms latency time but jack setup latency is 92.7 ms. For the moment i move the region to fix it, but it's very usefull. Is there someone to met this problem before ? Cheers P'tit Louis From mzilikazi at mzilikazix.org Thu Nov 9 17:06:06 2006 From: mzilikazi at mzilikazix.org (Glenn Greenfield) Date: Thu Nov 9 17:07:40 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: [ANN] Snd-ls V0.9.7.12 and jack_capture V0.3.9 In-Reply-To: <45539BE5.9040006@hawaii.rr.com> References: <20061109183118.3E9C63F81587@music.columbia.edu> <45539BE5.9040006@hawaii.rr.com> Message-ID: <4553A64E.8050108@mzilikazix.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 david wrote: > Kjetil S. Matheussen wrote: > >> david: >>> >>> Kjetil S. Matheussen wrote: >>> >>>> jack_capture v0.3.9 >>>> =================== >>>> jack_capture is a program for recording soundfiles with jack. Its >>>> default >>>> operation is to capture whatever sound is going out to your speakers >>>> into a file. This is the program I always wanted to have for jack, >>>> but no >>>> one made. So here it is. >>>> >>>> Changes 0.3.8 -> 0.3.9: >>>> ----------------------- >>>> *Changed the -rt option name to -d, to be compatible with jackrec. >>>> *Do not stop recording in case of disk errors. >>>> *Replaced deprecated libsndfile functions. >>>> *Added the --format/-f option. ("jack_capture -f flac", nice :-) ) >>>> (adding "-f w64" solves the 4GB limitation of wav files) >>> >>> OK, downloaded the RPM, converted it with alien, installed it on my >>> Debian system. Trying to start it from a root command line gives message >>> "jack_capture: error while loading shared libraries: libjack.so.0: >>> cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory." >>> >>> Jack is installed and works. Is there documentation for this program >>> that sounds like something I need, also? >>> >> >> I don't know of any RPM... >> Installing jack_capture is very very though: >> >> apt-get install jack-devel >> apt-get install libsndfile-devel > > Each of those lines gives me the messages "Couldn't find package" > >> wget http://www.notam02.no/arkiv/src/jack_capture-0.3.9.tar.gz >> tar xvzf jack_capture-0.3.9.tar.gz >> cd jack_capture-0.3.9 > > Those worked. > >> make > > And the results: > gcc -O3 jack_capture.c -o jack_capture -ljack -lsndfile -Wall > jack_capture.c:28:21: error: sndfile.h: No such file or directory > jack_capture.c:32:23: error: jack/jack.h: No such file or directory > jack_capture.c:33:29: error: jack/ringbuffer.h: No such file or directory > jack_capture.c:53: error: expected '=', ',', ';', 'asm' or > '__attribute__' before '*' token > jack_capture.c:64: error: expected '=', ',', ';', 'asm' or > '__attribute__' before '*' token > jack_capture.c:65: error: expected '=', ',', ';', 'asm' or > '__attribute__' before 'sample_t' > jack_capture.c:81: error: expected '=', ',', ';', 'asm' or > '__attribute__' before '*' token > jack_capture.c:84: error: expected specifier-qualifier-list before > 'sample_t' > jack_capture.c:100: error: expected '=', ',', ';', 'asm' or > '__attribute__' before '*' token > jack_capture.c:101: error: expected '=', ',', ';', 'asm' or > '__attribute__' before '*' token > jack_capture.c: In function 'buffers_init': > jack_capture.c:114: error: expected '=', ',', ';', 'asm' or > '__attribute__' before '*' token > jack_capture.c:114: error: 'das_buffer' undeclared (first use in this > function) > jack_capture.c:114: error: (Each undeclared identifier is reported only > once > jack_capture.c:114: error: for each function it appears in.) > jack_capture.c:118: error: 'buffers' undeclared (first use in this > function) > jack_capture.c:119: error: 'empty_buffer' undeclared (first use in this > function) > jack_capture.c:122: error: 'sample_t' undeclared (first use in this > function) > jack_capture.c:131: error: 'rb' undeclared (first use in this function) > jack_capture.c:132: warning: implicit declaration of function > 'jack_ringbuffer_free' > jack_capture.c:134: warning: implicit declaration of function > 'jack_ringbuffer_create' > jack_capture.c:155: error: expected expression before ')' token > jack_capture.c: At top level: > jack_capture.c:172: error: expected '=', ',', ';', 'asm' or > '__attribute__' before '*' token > jack_capture.c: In function 'portnames_add_defaults': > jack_capture.c:210: warning: implicit declaration of function > 'jack_get_ports' > jack_capture.c:210: error: 'client' undeclared (first use in this function) > jack_capture.c:210: error: 'JackPortIsPhysical' undeclared (first use in > this function) > jack_capture.c:210: error: 'JackPortIsInput' undeclared (first use in > this function) > jack_capture.c: In function 'portnames_add': > jack_capture.c:226: error: 'client' undeclared (first use in this function) > jack_capture.c: In function 'portnames_get_connections': > jack_capture.c:248: error: 'jack_port_t' undeclared (first use in this > function) > jack_capture.c:248: error: 'port' undeclared (first use in this function) > jack_capture.c:248: warning: implicit declaration of function > 'jack_port_by_name' > jack_capture.c:248: error: 'client' undeclared (first use in this function) > jack_capture.c:251: warning: implicit declaration of function > 'jack_port_flags' > jack_capture.c:251: error: 'JackPortIsInput' undeclared (first use in > this function) > jack_capture.c:252: warning: implicit declaration of function > 'jack_port_get_all_connections' > jack_capture.c: At top level: > jack_capture.c:269: error: expected ')' before '*' token > jack_capture.c:282: error: expected ')' before '*' token > jack_capture.c: In function 'disk_thread_func': > jack_capture.c:298: error: 'SNDFILE' undeclared (first use in this > function) > jack_capture.c:298: error: 'soundfile' undeclared (first use in this > function) > jack_capture.c:302: error: 'SF_INFO' undeclared (first use in this > function) > jack_capture.c:302: error: expected ';' before 'sf_info' > jack_capture.c:304: error: 'sf_info' undeclared (first use in this > function) > jack_capture.c:304: warning: implicit declaration of function > 'jack_get_sample_rate' > jack_capture.c:304: error: 'client' undeclared (first use in this function) > jack_capture.c:308: error: 'SF_FORMAT_AIFF' undeclared (first use in > this function) > jack_capture.c:309: error: 'SF_FORMAT_AU' undeclared (first use in this > function) > jack_capture.c:310: error: 'SF_FORMAT_RAW' undeclared (first use in this > function) > jack_capture.c:311: error: 'SF_FORMAT_SVX' undeclared (first use in this > function) > jack_capture.c:312: error: 'SF_FORMAT_NIST' undeclared (first use in > this function) > jack_capture.c:313: error: 'SF_FORMAT_VOC' undeclared (first use in this > function) > jack_capture.c:314: error: 'SF_FORMAT_IRCAM' undeclared (first use in > this function) > jack_capture.c:315: error: 'SF_FORMAT_W64' undeclared (first use in this > function) > jack_capture.c:317: error: 'SF_FORMAT_MAT5' undeclared (first use in > this function) > jack_capture.c:318: error: 'SF_FORMAT_MAT4' undeclared (first use in > this function) > jack_capture.c:319: error: 'SF_FORMAT_PVF' undeclared (first use in this > function) > jack_capture.c:320: error: 'SF_FORMAT_XI' undeclared (first use in this > function) > jack_capture.c:321: error: 'SF_FORMAT_HTK' undeclared (first use in this > function) > jack_capture.c:322: error: 'SF_FORMAT_SDS' undeclared (first use in this > function) > jack_capture.c:323: error: 'SF_FORMAT_AVR' undeclared (first use in this > function) > jack_capture.c:324: error: 'SF_FORMAT_WAVEX' undeclared (first use in > this function) > jack_capture.c:325: error: 'SF_FORMAT_SD2' undeclared (first use in this > function) > jack_capture.c:326: error: 'SF_FORMAT_FLAC' undeclared (first use in > this function) > jack_capture.c:328: error: 'SF_FORMAT_CAF' undeclared (first use in this > function) > jack_capture.c:329: error: 'SF_FORMAT_WAV' undeclared (first use in this > function) > jack_capture.c:332: error: 'SF_FORMAT_PCM_U8' undeclared (first use in > this function) > jack_capture.c:334: error: 'SF_FORMAT_PCM_16' undeclared (first use in > this function) > jack_capture.c:336: error: 'SF_FORMAT_PCM_24' undeclared (first use in > this function) > jack_capture.c:338: error: 'SF_FORMAT_PCM_32' undeclared (first use in > this function) > jack_capture.c:343: error: 'SF_FORMAT_FLOAT' undeclared (first use in > this function) > jack_capture.c:349: warning: implicit declaration of function 'sf_open' > jack_capture.c:349: error: 'SFM_WRITE' undeclared (first use in this > function) > jack_capture.c:351: warning: implicit declaration of function 'sf_strerror' > jack_capture.c:351: warning: format '%s' expects type 'char *', but > argument 4 has type 'int' > jack_capture.c:352: warning: implicit declaration of function > 'jack_client_close' > jack_capture.c:362: warning: implicit declaration of function > 'jack_ringbuffer_read_space' > jack_capture.c:362: error: 'rb' undeclared (first use in this function) > jack_capture.c:364: error: 'sample_t' undeclared (first use in this > function) > jack_capture.c:364: error: 'buffer' undeclared (first use in this function) > jack_capture.c:366: warning: implicit declaration of function > 'jack_ringbuffer_read' > jack_capture.c:367: error: 'struct ringbuffer_block' has no member named > 'buffer' > jack_capture.c:370: warning: implicit declaration of function > 'disk_write_overruns' > jack_capture.c:374: warning: implicit declaration of function 'disk_write' > jack_capture.c:398: warning: implicit declaration of function 'sf_close' > jack_capture.c: At top level: > jack_capture.c:436: error: expected ')' before '*' token > jack_capture.c:449: error: expected ')' before '*' token > jack_capture.c:463: error: expected ')' before 'nframes' > jack_capture.c: In function 'reconnect_ports_questionmark': > jack_capture.c:503: error: 'client' undeclared (first use in this function) > jack_capture.c:503: error: 'ports' undeclared (first use in this function) > jack_capture.c:503: warning: initialization makes pointer from integer > without a cast > jack_capture.c: In function 'disconnect_ports': > jack_capture.c:541: error: 'client' undeclared (first use in this function) > jack_capture.c:541: error: 'ports' undeclared (first use in this function) > jack_capture.c:541: warning: initialization makes pointer from integer > without a cast > jack_capture.c:543: warning: implicit declaration of function > 'jack_disconnect' > jack_capture.c:543: warning: implicit declaration of function > 'jack_port_name' > jack_capture.c: In function 'connect_ports': > jack_capture.c:557: warning: implicit declaration of function > 'jack_connect' > jack_capture.c:557: error: 'client' undeclared (first use in this function) > jack_capture.c:557: error: 'ports' undeclared (first use in this function) > jack_capture.c:559: warning: format '%s' expects type 'char *', but > argument 3 has type 'int' > jack_capture.c: In function 'create_ports': > jack_capture.c:609: error: 'ports' undeclared (first use in this function) > jack_capture.c:609: error: 'jack_port_t' undeclared (first use in this > function) > jack_capture.c:609: error: expected expression before ')' token > jack_capture.c:615: warning: implicit declaration of function > 'jack_port_register' > jack_capture.c:615: error: 'client' undeclared (first use in this function) > jack_capture.c:615: error: 'JACK_DEFAULT_AUDIO_TYPE' undeclared (first > use in this function) > jack_capture.c:615: error: 'JackPortIsInput' undeclared (first use in > this function) > jack_capture.c: In function 'do_exit': > jack_capture.c:640: error: 'client' undeclared (first use in this function) > jack_capture.c: At top level: > jack_capture.c:663: error: expected '=', ',', ';', 'asm' or > '__attribute__' before '*' token > jack_capture.c: In function 'start_jack': > jack_capture.c:685: error: 'client' undeclared (first use in this function) > jack_capture.c:685: warning: implicit declaration of function > 'new_jack_client' > jack_capture.c:687: warning: implicit declaration of function > 'jack_get_buffer_size' > jack_capture.c: In function 'main': > jack_capture.c:788: warning: implicit declaration of function > 'jack_set_process_callback' > jack_capture.c:788: error: 'client' undeclared (first use in this function) > jack_capture.c:788: error: 'process' undeclared (first use in this > function) > jack_capture.c:789: warning: implicit declaration of function > 'jack_on_shutdown' > jack_capture.c:791: warning: implicit declaration of function > 'jack_set_graph_order_callback' > jack_capture.c:792: warning: implicit declaration of function > 'jack_set_buffer_size_callback' > jack_capture.c:794: warning: implicit declaration of function > 'jack_activate' > make: *** [all] Error 1 > > I suspect they're all due to the missing jack-devel and libsndfile-devel > packages. Neither of them seem to be in my repository (ftp.de.debian.org). > >> make install >> /usr/local/bin/jack_capture -h > > Not even going to try those yet. > I built jack_capture on my Debian Sid box with no problems. I have these installed: libjack0.100.0-dev libsndfile1-dev - -glenn -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFFU6ZOqUIEvHpYFKoRAkfuAJ94joB7HUEUBiTt9o5Bc9lHC79evACeOArL Pb+MCmLdxXSSvAsKdRpcXVo= =qGuP -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From paul at linuxaudiosystems.com Thu Nov 9 17:07:11 2006 From: paul at linuxaudiosystems.com (Paul Davis) Date: Thu Nov 9 17:08:45 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Ardour, Recorded Track in advance In-Reply-To: <45539C40.8080600@free.fr> References: <45539C40.8080600@free.fr> Message-ID: <1163110031.15613.183.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Thu, 2006-11-09 at 22:23 +0100, Lilli Chiffon wrote: > Hi the list, > > My apologize for all this noise tonight from me. > > I still have a little problem with ardour. > > When i record a track, from analog material (my guitar to be precise), i > play with a click and i'm on the time. But when i'm listening the > result, it's allways a little bit in advance (i can hear it) > > I compiled my kernel with realtime and preempt patch and when i run > ardour and jack, ardour indicate a 0.7 ms latency time but jack setup > latency is 92.7 ms. > > For the moment i move the region to fix it, but it's very usefull. > > Is there someone to met this problem before ? what version of JACK? alignment is believed to be perfect running with the latest version of JACK. you may also need to take into account the latency of the converters, see the -I and -O options of the ALSA backend. --p From hcengar at gmail.com Thu Nov 9 18:09:02 2006 From: hcengar at gmail.com (Hector Centeno) Date: Thu Nov 9 18:09:13 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Xjadeo not working in Ubuntu Edgy Message-ID: <695e1a650611091509l10bb329eof81faf476b77df80@mail.gmail.com> Hi, Anyone here using Xjadeo with Ubuntu Edgy? It used to work in the previous Dapper but now I only get a white window and no video. In Dapper I had the same problem before and the solution was to remove Option "Composite" "Enable" from the X11/xorg.conf file. This time that didn't work. Any ideas? Thanks, Hector From tdhoward at gmail.com Thu Nov 9 18:11:44 2006 From: tdhoward at gmail.com (Tim Howard) Date: Thu Nov 9 18:13:21 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] "Import drum tabulature" feature? In-Reply-To: <20061109140838.69889.qmail@web33014.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <45530B9A.4090703@woh.rr.com> <20061109140838.69889.qmail@web33014.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On 11/9/06, Stephen Cameron wrote: > > BTW, thanks for writing about my little program Dave! Steve, do you happen to have a mailing list for this program, or a forum of some sort? -TimH From gnome at hawaii.rr.com Thu Nov 9 18:28:26 2006 From: gnome at hawaii.rr.com (david) Date: Thu Nov 9 18:28:57 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: [ANN] Snd-ls V0.9.7.12 and jack_capture V0.3.9 In-Reply-To: <4553A64E.8050108@mzilikazix.org> References: <20061109183118.3E9C63F81587@music.columbia.edu> <45539BE5.9040006@hawaii.rr.com> <4553A64E.8050108@mzilikazix.org> Message-ID: <4553B99A.7080907@hawaii.rr.com> Glenn Greenfield wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > david wrote: >> Kjetil S. Matheussen wrote: >> >>> david: >>>> Kjetil S. Matheussen wrote: >>>> >>>>> jack_capture v0.3.9 >>>>> =================== >>>>> jack_capture is a program for recording soundfiles with jack. Its >>>>> default >>>>> operation is to capture whatever sound is going out to your speakers >>>>> into a file. This is the program I always wanted to have for jack, >>>>> but no >>>>> one made. So here it is. >>>>> >>>>> Changes 0.3.8 -> 0.3.9: >>>>> ----------------------- >>>>> *Changed the -rt option name to -d, to be compatible with jackrec. >>>>> *Do not stop recording in case of disk errors. >>>>> *Replaced deprecated libsndfile functions. >>>>> *Added the --format/-f option. ("jack_capture -f flac", nice :-) ) >>>>> (adding "-f w64" solves the 4GB limitation of wav files) >>>> OK, downloaded the RPM, converted it with alien, installed it on my >>>> Debian system. Trying to start it from a root command line gives message >>>> "jack_capture: error while loading shared libraries: libjack.so.0: >>>> cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory." >>>> >>>> Jack is installed and works. Is there documentation for this program >>>> that sounds like something I need, also? >>>> >>> I don't know of any RPM... >>> Installing jack_capture is very very though: >>> >>> apt-get install jack-devel >>> apt-get install libsndfile-devel >> Each of those lines gives me the messages "Couldn't find package" [snips] > I built jack_capture on my Debian Sid box with no problems. I have > these installed: > > libjack0.100.0-dev > libsndfile1-dev I did not have those installed. I guess those are the correct packages, vs the *-devel ones mentioned above. Compiled and installed here with no problems. Let the fun begin! 8-) -- David gnome@hawaii.rr.com authenticity, honesty, community From gnome at hawaii.rr.com Thu Nov 9 18:38:19 2006 From: gnome at hawaii.rr.com (david) Date: Thu Nov 9 18:38:32 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: [ANN] Snd-ls V0.9.7.12 and jack_capture V0.3.9 In-Reply-To: <4553A64E.8050108@mzilikazix.org> References: <20061109183118.3E9C63F81587@music.columbia.edu> <45539BE5.9040006@hawaii.rr.com> <4553A64E.8050108@mzilikazix.org> Message-ID: <4553BBEB.3010807@hawaii.rr.com> Glenn Greenfield wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > david wrote: >> Kjetil S. Matheussen wrote: >> >>> david: >>>> Kjetil S. Matheussen wrote: >>>> >>>>> jack_capture v0.3.9 >>>>> =================== >>>>> jack_capture is a program for recording soundfiles with jack. Its >>>>> default >>>>> operation is to capture whatever sound is going out to your speakers >>>>> into a file. This is the program I always wanted to have for jack, >>>>> but no >>>>> one made. So here it is. >>>>> >>>>> Changes 0.3.8 -> 0.3.9: >>>>> ----------------------- >>>>> *Changed the -rt option name to -d, to be compatible with jackrec. >>>>> *Do not stop recording in case of disk errors. >>>>> *Replaced deprecated libsndfile functions. >>>>> *Added the --format/-f option. ("jack_capture -f flac", nice :-) ) >>>>> (adding "-f w64" solves the 4GB limitation of wav files) >>>> OK, downloaded the RPM, converted it with alien, installed it on my >>>> Debian system. Trying to start it from a root command line gives message >>>> "jack_capture: error while loading shared libraries: libjack.so.0: >>>> cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory." >>>> >>>> Jack is installed and works. Is there documentation for this program >>>> that sounds like something I need, also? >>>> >>> I don't know of any RPM... >>> Installing jack_capture is very very though: >>> >>> apt-get install jack-devel >>> apt-get install libsndfile-devel >> Each of those lines gives me the messages "Couldn't find package" >> >>> wget http://www.notam02.no/arkiv/src/jack_capture-0.3.9.tar.gz >>> tar xvzf jack_capture-0.3.9.tar.gz >>> cd jack_capture-0.3.9 >> Those worked. >> >>> make >> And the results: >> gcc -O3 jack_capture.c -o jack_capture -ljack -lsndfile -Wall >> jack_capture.c:28:21: error: sndfile.h: No such file or directory >> jack_capture.c:32:23: error: jack/jack.h: No such file or directory >> jack_capture.c:33:29: error: jack/ringbuffer.h: No such file or directory >> jack_capture.c:53: error: expected '=', ',', ';', 'asm' or >> '__attribute__' before '*' token >> jack_capture.c:64: error: expected '=', ',', ';', 'asm' or >> '__attribute__' before '*' token >> jack_capture.c:65: error: expected '=', ',', ';', 'asm' or >> '__attribute__' before 'sample_t' >> jack_capture.c:81: error: expected '=', ',', ';', 'asm' or >> '__attribute__' before '*' token >> jack_capture.c:84: error: expected specifier-qualifier-list before >> 'sample_t' >> jack_capture.c:100: error: expected '=', ',', ';', 'asm' or >> '__attribute__' before '*' token >> jack_capture.c:101: error: expected '=', ',', ';', 'asm' or >> '__attribute__' before '*' token >> jack_capture.c: In function 'buffers_init': >> jack_capture.c:114: error: expected '=', ',', ';', 'asm' or >> '__attribute__' before '*' token >> jack_capture.c:114: error: 'das_buffer' undeclared (first use in this >> function) >> jack_capture.c:114: error: (Each undeclared identifier is reported only >> once >> jack_capture.c:114: error: for each function it appears in.) >> jack_capture.c:118: error: 'buffers' undeclared (first use in this >> function) >> jack_capture.c:119: error: 'empty_buffer' undeclared (first use in this >> function) >> jack_capture.c:122: error: 'sample_t' undeclared (first use in this >> function) >> jack_capture.c:131: error: 'rb' undeclared (first use in this function) >> jack_capture.c:132: warning: implicit declaration of function >> 'jack_ringbuffer_free' >> jack_capture.c:134: warning: implicit declaration of function >> 'jack_ringbuffer_create' >> jack_capture.c:155: error: expected expression before ')' token >> jack_capture.c: At top level: >> jack_capture.c:172: error: expected '=', ',', ';', 'asm' or >> '__attribute__' before '*' token >> jack_capture.c: In function 'portnames_add_defaults': >> jack_capture.c:210: warning: implicit declaration of function >> 'jack_get_ports' >> jack_capture.c:210: error: 'client' undeclared (first use in this function) >> jack_capture.c:210: error: 'JackPortIsPhysical' undeclared (first use in >> this function) >> jack_capture.c:210: error: 'JackPortIsInput' undeclared (first use in >> this function) >> jack_capture.c: In function 'portnames_add': >> jack_capture.c:226: error: 'client' undeclared (first use in this function) >> jack_capture.c: In function 'portnames_get_connections': >> jack_capture.c:248: error: 'jack_port_t' undeclared (first use in this >> function) >> jack_capture.c:248: error: 'port' undeclared (first use in this function) >> jack_capture.c:248: warning: implicit declaration of function >> 'jack_port_by_name' >> jack_capture.c:248: error: 'client' undeclared (first use in this function) >> jack_capture.c:251: warning: implicit declaration of function >> 'jack_port_flags' >> jack_capture.c:251: error: 'JackPortIsInput' undeclared (first use in >> this function) >> jack_capture.c:252: warning: implicit declaration of function >> 'jack_port_get_all_connections' >> jack_capture.c: At top level: >> jack_capture.c:269: error: expected ')' before '*' token >> jack_capture.c:282: error: expected ')' before '*' token >> jack_capture.c: In function 'disk_thread_func': >> jack_capture.c:298: error: 'SNDFILE' undeclared (first use in this >> function) >> jack_capture.c:298: error: 'soundfile' undeclared (first use in this >> function) >> jack_capture.c:302: error: 'SF_INFO' undeclared (first use in this >> function) >> jack_capture.c:302: error: expected ';' before 'sf_info' >> jack_capture.c:304: error: 'sf_info' undeclared (first use in this >> function) >> jack_capture.c:304: warning: implicit declaration of function >> 'jack_get_sample_rate' >> jack_capture.c:304: error: 'client' undeclared (first use in this function) >> jack_capture.c:308: error: 'SF_FORMAT_AIFF' undeclared (first use in >> this function) >> jack_capture.c:309: error: 'SF_FORMAT_AU' undeclared (first use in this >> function) >> jack_capture.c:310: error: 'SF_FORMAT_RAW' undeclared (first use in this >> function) >> jack_capture.c:311: error: 'SF_FORMAT_SVX' undeclared (first use in this >> function) >> jack_capture.c:312: error: 'SF_FORMAT_NIST' undeclared (first use in >> this function) >> jack_capture.c:313: error: 'SF_FORMAT_VOC' undeclared (first use in this >> function) >> jack_capture.c:314: error: 'SF_FORMAT_IRCAM' undeclared (first use in >> this function) >> jack_capture.c:315: error: 'SF_FORMAT_W64' undeclared (first use in this >> function) >> jack_capture.c:317: error: 'SF_FORMAT_MAT5' undeclared (first use in >> this function) >> jack_capture.c:318: error: 'SF_FORMAT_MAT4' undeclared (first use in >> this function) >> jack_capture.c:319: error: 'SF_FORMAT_PVF' undeclared (first use in this >> function) >> jack_capture.c:320: error: 'SF_FORMAT_XI' undeclared (first use in this >> function) >> jack_capture.c:321: error: 'SF_FORMAT_HTK' undeclared (first use in this >> function) >> jack_capture.c:322: error: 'SF_FORMAT_SDS' undeclared (first use in this >> function) >> jack_capture.c:323: error: 'SF_FORMAT_AVR' undeclared (first use in this >> function) >> jack_capture.c:324: error: 'SF_FORMAT_WAVEX' undeclared (first use in >> this function) >> jack_capture.c:325: error: 'SF_FORMAT_SD2' undeclared (first use in this >> function) >> jack_capture.c:326: error: 'SF_FORMAT_FLAC' undeclared (first use in >> this function) >> jack_capture.c:328: error: 'SF_FORMAT_CAF' undeclared (first use in this >> function) >> jack_capture.c:329: error: 'SF_FORMAT_WAV' undeclared (first use in this >> function) >> jack_capture.c:332: error: 'SF_FORMAT_PCM_U8' undeclared (first use in >> this function) >> jack_capture.c:334: error: 'SF_FORMAT_PCM_16' undeclared (first use in >> this function) >> jack_capture.c:336: error: 'SF_FORMAT_PCM_24' undeclared (first use in >> this function) >> jack_capture.c:338: error: 'SF_FORMAT_PCM_32' undeclared (first use in >> this function) >> jack_capture.c:343: error: 'SF_FORMAT_FLOAT' undeclared (first use in >> this function) >> jack_capture.c:349: warning: implicit declaration of function 'sf_open' >> jack_capture.c:349: error: 'SFM_WRITE' undeclared (first use in this >> function) >> jack_capture.c:351: warning: implicit declaration of function 'sf_strerror' >> jack_capture.c:351: warning: format '%s' expects type 'char *', but >> argument 4 has type 'int' >> jack_capture.c:352: warning: implicit declaration of function >> 'jack_client_close' >> jack_capture.c:362: warning: implicit declaration of function >> 'jack_ringbuffer_read_space' >> jack_capture.c:362: error: 'rb' undeclared (first use in this function) >> jack_capture.c:364: error: 'sample_t' undeclared (first use in this >> function) >> jack_capture.c:364: error: 'buffer' undeclared (first use in this function) >> jack_capture.c:366: warning: implicit declaration of function >> 'jack_ringbuffer_read' >> jack_capture.c:367: error: 'struct ringbuffer_block' has no member named >> 'buffer' >> jack_capture.c:370: warning: implicit declaration of function >> 'disk_write_overruns' >> jack_capture.c:374: warning: implicit declaration of function 'disk_write' >> jack_capture.c:398: warning: implicit declaration of function 'sf_close' >> jack_capture.c: At top level: >> jack_capture.c:436: error: expected ')' before '*' token >> jack_capture.c:449: error: expected ')' before '*' token >> jack_capture.c:463: error: expected ')' before 'nframes' >> jack_capture.c: In function 'reconnect_ports_questionmark': >> jack_capture.c:503: error: 'client' undeclared (first use in this function) >> jack_capture.c:503: error: 'ports' undeclared (first use in this function) >> jack_capture.c:503: warning: initialization makes pointer from integer >> without a cast >> jack_capture.c: In function 'disconnect_ports': >> jack_capture.c:541: error: 'client' undeclared (first use in this function) >> jack_capture.c:541: error: 'ports' undeclared (first use in this function) >> jack_capture.c:541: warning: initialization makes pointer from integer >> without a cast >> jack_capture.c:543: warning: implicit declaration of function >> 'jack_disconnect' >> jack_capture.c:543: warning: implicit declaration of function >> 'jack_port_name' >> jack_capture.c: In function 'connect_ports': >> jack_capture.c:557: warning: implicit declaration of function >> 'jack_connect' >> jack_capture.c:557: error: 'client' undeclared (first use in this function) >> jack_capture.c:557: error: 'ports' undeclared (first use in this function) >> jack_capture.c:559: warning: format '%s' expects type 'char *', but >> argument 3 has type 'int' >> jack_capture.c: In function 'create_ports': >> jack_capture.c:609: error: 'ports' undeclared (first use in this function) >> jack_capture.c:609: error: 'jack_port_t' undeclared (first use in this >> function) >> jack_capture.c:609: error: expected expression before ')' token >> jack_capture.c:615: warning: implicit declaration of function >> 'jack_port_register' >> jack_capture.c:615: error: 'client' undeclared (first use in this function) >> jack_capture.c:615: error: 'JACK_DEFAULT_AUDIO_TYPE' undeclared (first >> use in this function) >> jack_capture.c:615: error: 'JackPortIsInput' undeclared (first use in >> this function) >> jack_capture.c: In function 'do_exit': >> jack_capture.c:640: error: 'client' undeclared (first use in this function) >> jack_capture.c: At top level: >> jack_capture.c:663: error: expected '=', ',', ';', 'asm' or >> '__attribute__' before '*' token >> jack_capture.c: In function 'start_jack': >> jack_capture.c:685: error: 'client' undeclared (first use in this function) >> jack_capture.c:685: warning: implicit declaration of function >> 'new_jack_client' >> jack_capture.c:687: warning: implicit declaration of function >> 'jack_get_buffer_size' >> jack_capture.c: In function 'main': >> jack_capture.c:788: warning: implicit declaration of function >> 'jack_set_process_callback' >> jack_capture.c:788: error: 'client' undeclared (first use in this function) >> jack_capture.c:788: error: 'process' undeclared (first use in this >> function) >> jack_capture.c:789: warning: implicit declaration of function >> 'jack_on_shutdown' >> jack_capture.c:791: warning: implicit declaration of function >> 'jack_set_graph_order_callback' >> jack_capture.c:792: warning: implicit declaration of function >> 'jack_set_buffer_size_callback' >> jack_capture.c:794: warning: implicit declaration of function >> 'jack_activate' >> make: *** [all] Error 1 >> >> I suspect they're all due to the missing jack-devel and libsndfile-devel >> packages. Neither of them seem to be in my repository (ftp.de.debian.org). >> >>> make install >>> /usr/local/bin/jack_capture -h >> Not even going to try those yet. >> > > I built jack_capture on my Debian Sid box with no problems. I have > these installed: > > libjack0.100.0-dev > libsndfile1-dev Well, so far, all jack_capture tells me is "No valid ports found." JACK is running, Rosegarden is playing something via fluidsynth (my Toshiba laptop's chipset doesn't include MIDI hardware). -- David gnome@hawaii.rr.com authenticity, honesty, community From hcengar at gmail.com Thu Nov 9 18:40:13 2006 From: hcengar at gmail.com (Hector Centeno) Date: Thu Nov 9 18:40:22 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Xjadeo not working in Ubuntu Edgy In-Reply-To: <695e1a650611091509l10bb329eof81faf476b77df80@mail.gmail.com> References: <695e1a650611091509l10bb329eof81faf476b77df80@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <695e1a650611091540r480cf97fw9664909d5fcb7102@mail.gmail.com> ....anyway, I found it. You have to now explicitly disable Composite adding: Section "Extensions" Option "Composite" "Disable" EndSection Cheers, Hector On 11/9/06, Hector Centeno wrote: > Hi, > > Anyone here using Xjadeo with Ubuntu Edgy? It used to work in the > previous Dapper but now I only get a white window and no video. In > Dapper I had the same problem before and the solution was to remove > Option "Composite" "Enable" from the X11/xorg.conf file. This time > that didn't work. > > Any ideas? > > Thanks, > > > Hector > From smcameron at yahoo.com Thu Nov 9 19:38:26 2006 From: smcameron at yahoo.com (Stephen Cameron) Date: Thu Nov 9 19:38:34 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] "Import drum tabulature" feature? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20061110003826.85508.qmail@web33014.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- Tim Howard wrote: > Steve, do you happen to have a mailing list for this program, or a > forum of some sort? > Well, there is the forum on sourceforge: http://sourceforge.net/forum/?group_id=143063 You can see for yourself how much interest that has generated, heh! -- steve ____________________________________________________________________________________ Want to start your own business? Learn how on Yahoo! Small Business. http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/r-index From capocasa at gmx.net Thu Nov 9 21:15:20 2006 From: capocasa at gmx.net (Carlo Capocasa) Date: Thu Nov 9 21:16:00 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: [Freebob-devel] Re: Help me set the volume for Freebob, please! In-Reply-To: <45539C5E.1050303@monom.org> References: <4548F6F4.4090200@monom.org> <45492B3C.7090507@monom.org> <454E4CDB.2050005@monom.org> <454E4D54.2010201@monom.org> <454FA490.2070008@monom.org> <45539C5E.1050303@monom.org> Message-ID: > You're welcome. It was on my list to do but not in that order. So you > just reordered my todo list a bit :) If there is any pasttime I enjoy more than sex, it's rearranging people's priorities. > Because of that I have started to look into the mixer. Looks interesting. Cool :) Well I've got it down that the hum only happens when phantom power is switched on... Or, more precisely, that it is a LOT louder then. It is the same hum I've been having with Jack for ages, only softer than on my internal sound card. It happens as soon as I start jack and stops when I stop jack and is louder the less latency there is. WTF??? How odd. Dying to get a solution, it's been plaguing me for years. Note: It does get softer when I used an adapter to remove grounding of the notebook, but it's still there. How odd. Well :) Just an update here and the slight hope someone who has the answer might see this! Thanks again, Daniel! Carlo PS: You don't happen to know whether the Apogee Ensemble could be run using freebob? If so, I am eager to test. From capocasa at gmx.net Thu Nov 9 21:28:00 2006 From: capocasa at gmx.net (Carlo Capocasa) Date: Thu Nov 9 21:28:30 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] The famous "Jack Hum" (Can't record and desparate) Message-ID: There are a lot of hums that are very friendly and encouraging, but the hum that comes out of my speaker when I start up Jack is way more than that. It's sharp pitched and I believe it penetrates deep into the soul and causes unrest there. It comes about when I use jack at low latencies. I experimented with ground loops and found it is the same hum (or a similar hum) and simply gets softer when I use my homebrew ground prong removal cable (it's just a small extension cord with a three prong socket and a two prong plug. I must be violating every safety standard in the Universe, and I probably wouldn't be the first desperate musician to die in an unfortunate accident caused by valuing artistic purity higher than corporal safety.) It actually also comes about when I use a pure Alsa program realtime and at low latencies, but I'm still calling the thing 'Jack Hum' because I like you jack people so much. That's what you get for being so friendly! I also don't know any good low latency alsa programs any more. So... I wonder if someone's looking into this. It's preventing me from recording stuff. And I've got some insanely good music coming up and people are actually responding well to my newsletter, which is quite flabbergasting to me. I'm not used to people responding well to what I do. I should also mention that I have a firewire audio interface with included microphone pre-amp, and that the hum gets REALLY lound on the Mic channels when phantom power is turned on. So please, please, please help me! I'm desparate. I've been working on linux audio for over four years and my music's starting to get good enough to be published and I can't record because of some dumb analogue engineering problem. Are any smart analogue engineers reading this? Heck, i'll go for the dumb ones too if it will make my problem go away. Help! Carlo From gnome at hawaii.rr.com Thu Nov 9 21:38:00 2006 From: gnome at hawaii.rr.com (david) Date: Thu Nov 9 21:38:23 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: [Freebob-devel] Re: Help me set the volume for Freebob, please! In-Reply-To: References: <4548F6F4.4090200@monom.org> <45492B3C.7090507@monom.org> <454E4CDB.2050005@monom.org> <454E4D54.2010201@monom.org> <454FA490.2070008@monom.org> <45539C5E.1050303@monom.org> Message-ID: <4553E608.1050105@hawaii.rr.com> Carlo Capocasa wrote: > Well I've got it down that the hum only happens when phantom power ?? > is > switched on... Or, more precisely, that it is a LOT louder then. It is > the same hum I've been having with Jack for ages, only softer than on my > internal sound card. It happens as soon as I start jack and stops when I > stop jack and is louder the less latency there is. > > WTF??? How odd. Dying to get a solution, it's been plaguing me for > years. Note: It does get softer when I used an adapter to remove > grounding of the notebook, but it's still there. How odd. Hmmm - does it get louder when your CPU is working harder? When the CPU works really hard, is the computer's internal fan(s) running? Perhaps a small internal ground problem? I would assume that the lower your latency, the faster your CPU is doing things .. so the more need it has for cooling? -- David gnome@hawaii.rr.com authenticity, honesty, community From gnome at hawaii.rr.com Thu Nov 9 21:49:39 2006 From: gnome at hawaii.rr.com (david) Date: Thu Nov 9 21:49:49 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] The famous "Jack Hum" (Can't record and desparate) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4553E8C3.1010008@hawaii.rr.com> Carlo Capocasa wrote: > I should also mention that I have a firewire audio interface with > included microphone pre-amp, and that the hum gets REALLY lound on the > Mic channels when phantom power is turned on. > > So please, please, please help me! I'm desparate. I've been working on > linux audio for over four years and my music's starting to get good > enough to be published and I can't record because of some dumb analogue > engineering problem. Are any smart analogue engineers reading this? Methinks there is Somewheres (note the forced plural!) in your hardware setup one or more pieces with bad shielding and/or bad grounding. The problems might not be limited to cabling - they could be something inside your hardware. A possible candidate - your fireware audio interface w/ microphone pre-amp. It may be originating the hum in the first place, and the mic pre-amp makes it really loud. -- David gnome@hawaii.rr.com authenticity, honesty, community From julien.lociuro at gmail.com Thu Nov 9 23:29:09 2006 From: julien.lociuro at gmail.com (julien bodd) Date: Thu Nov 9 23:29:25 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [Music] Sea call Message-ID: <31d6485d0611092029sd37a4e6g1aa99ac858a6ef06@mail.gmail.com> Hi all, First time I post here. I've been reading you for a couple of days. Here is a draft composition made with Rosegarden, ZynAddSubFX and Hydrogen : http://www.archive.org/details/sea_call The track isn't finished, it's just a first idea. What do you think? Any advice is welcome. Thank you. Julien Lociuro. From k.s.matheussen at notam02.no Fri Nov 10 01:51:01 2006 From: k.s.matheussen at notam02.no (Kjetil S. Matheussen) Date: Fri Nov 10 01:51:28 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Re: [ANN] Snd-ls V0.9.7.12 and jack_capture V0.3.9 In-Reply-To: <20061109234029.8F2C13F957E2@music.columbia.edu> References: <20061109234029.8F2C13F957E2@music.columbia.edu> Message-ID: david: >>> >>> I suspect they're all due to the missing jack-devel and libsndfile-devel >>> packages. Neither of them seem to be in my repository (ftp.de.debian.org). >>> >>>> make install >>>> /usr/local/bin/jack_capture -h >>> Not even going to try those yet. >>> >> >> I built jack_capture on my Debian Sid box with no problems. I have >> these installed: >> >> libjack0.100.0-dev >> libsndfile1-dev > > Well, so far, all jack_capture tells me is "No valid ports found." JACK > is running, Rosegarden is playing something via fluidsynth (my Toshiba > laptop's chipset doesn't include MIDI hardware). Did you mean "No valid ports selected"? In case, you only need to write "jack_capture", and thats it, the --port argument is not necessary. Please also write why you felt the need to use the --port argument, I probably have to change the documentation. In case not, please post the complete output from the terminal, including the command you used to start jack_capture. From gnome at hawaii.rr.com Fri Nov 10 02:44:26 2006 From: gnome at hawaii.rr.com (david) Date: Fri Nov 10 02:45:02 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: [ANN] Snd-ls V0.9.7.12 and jack_capture V0.3.9 In-Reply-To: References: <20061109234029.8F2C13F957E2@music.columbia.edu> Message-ID: <45542DDA.3040200@hawaii.rr.com> Kjetil S. Matheussen wrote: > david: >>>> >>>> I suspect they're all due to the missing jack-devel and >>>> libsndfile-devel >>>> packages. Neither of them seem to be in my repository >>>> (ftp.de.debian.org). >>>> >>>>> make install >>>>> /usr/local/bin/jack_capture -h >>>> Not even going to try those yet. >>>> >>> >>> I built jack_capture on my Debian Sid box with no problems. I have >>> these installed: >>> >>> libjack0.100.0-dev >>> libsndfile1-dev >> >> Well, so far, all jack_capture tells me is "No valid ports found." JACK >> is running, Rosegarden is playing something via fluidsynth (my Toshiba >> laptop's chipset doesn't include MIDI hardware). > > Did you mean "No valid ports selected"? Yes - sorry. > In case, you only need to write "jack_capture", and thats it, the --port > argument is not necessary. Please also write why you felt the need to > use the --port argument, I probably have to change the documentation. > > In case not, please post the complete output from the terminal, > including the command you used to start jack_capture. david@eurolap:~$ jack_capture No valid ports selected. david@eurolap:~$ I started trying the "--port" option figuring that maybe I needed to specify a port. I don't really know what I'm doing with MIDI under Linux. The fact that I've gotten it this far has amazed both me and a friend of mine who also uses Linux (he doesn't do music with it, though). I'm sure my setup isn't complete and probably isn't done right ... Rosegarden works, but KMid doesn't always produce any output when it plays a file. For example, KMid produces no sound when I play a MIDI file recorded on one of my keyboards, but if I open it in Rosegarden and export it as a MIDI, KMid can play it. Rosegarden can play the original MIDI just fine. MIDI and Linux seems to be a very tangled thing, and I'm just barely getting started. -- David gnome@hawaii.rr.com authenticity, honesty, community From k.s.matheussen at notam02.no Fri Nov 10 03:05:24 2006 From: k.s.matheussen at notam02.no (Kjetil S. Matheussen) Date: Fri Nov 10 03:05:56 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: [ANN] Snd-ls V0.9.7.12 and jack_capture V0.3.9 In-Reply-To: <20061110074501.ADAAB3FAD23F@music.columbia.edu> References: <20061110074501.ADAAB3FAD23F@music.columbia.edu> Message-ID: david: >> In case, you only need to write "jack_capture", and thats it, the --port >> argument is not necessary. Please also write why you felt the need to >> use the --port argument, I probably have to change the documentation. >> >> In case not, please post the complete output from the terminal, >> including the command you used to start jack_capture. > > david@eurolap:~$ jack_capture > No valid ports selected. > david@eurolap:~$ > Thats actually impossible. :-) Maybe you are starting an older version of jack_capture? Which version of jack_capture did you install from RPM? Please also try "type -a jack_capture" and "/usr/local/bin/jack_capture". From k.s.matheussen at notam02.no Fri Nov 10 03:22:42 2006 From: k.s.matheussen at notam02.no (Kjetil S. Matheussen) Date: Fri Nov 10 03:23:13 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: [ANN] Snd-ls V0.9.7.12 and jack_capture V0.3.9 In-Reply-To: References: <20061110074501.ADAAB3FAD23F@music.columbia.edu> Message-ID: On Fri, 10 Nov 2006, Kjetil S. Matheussen wrote: > > david: >> > In case, you only need to write "jack_capture", and thats it, the --port >> > argument is not necessary. Please also write why you felt the need to >> > use the --port argument, I probably have to change the documentation. >> > >> > In case not, please post the complete output from the terminal, >> > including the command you used to start jack_capture. >> >> david@eurolap:~$ jack_capture >> No valid ports selected. >> david@eurolap:~$ >> > > Thats actually impossible. :-) > Well, I found a bug that probably explains it. But I wonder what gcc you have. What does "gcc -v" output? Anyway, please try: wget http://www.notam02.no/~kjetism/jack_capture-0.3.10-pre1.tar.gz tar xvzf jack_capture-0.3.10-pre1.tar.gz cd jack_capture-0.3.10-pre1 make make install /usr/local/bin/jack_capture From gnome at hawaii.rr.com Fri Nov 10 03:41:50 2006 From: gnome at hawaii.rr.com (david) Date: Fri Nov 10 03:42:05 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: [ANN] Snd-ls V0.9.7.12 and jack_capture V0.3.9 In-Reply-To: References: <20061110074501.ADAAB3FAD23F@music.columbia.edu> Message-ID: <45543B4E.3060201@hawaii.rr.com> Kjetil S. Matheussen wrote: > david: >>> In case, you only need to write "jack_capture", and thats it, the --port >>> argument is not necessary. Please also write why you felt the need to >>> use the --port argument, I probably have to change the documentation. >>> >>> In case not, please post the complete output from the terminal, >>> including the command you used to start jack_capture. >> >> david@eurolap:~$ jack_capture >> No valid ports selected. >> david@eurolap:~$ > > Thats actually impossible. :-) > > Maybe you are starting an older version of jack_capture? > Which version of jack_capture did you install from RPM? Converted RPM - I'm running Debian. jack_capture-0.3.9. > Please also try "type -a jack_capture" Results: david@eurolap:~$ type -a jack_capture jack_capture is /usr/local/bin/jack_capture jack_capture is /usr/bin/jack_capture jack_capture is /usr/bin/X11/jack_capture and "/usr/local/bin/jack_capture". Results: david@eurolap:~$ /usr/local/bin/jack_capture No valid ports selected. And finally: david@eurolap:~$ /usr/bin/jack_capture /usr/bin/jack_capture: error while loading shared libraries: libjack.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory david@eurolap:~$ /usr/bin/X11/jack_capture /usr/bin/X11/jack_capture: error while loading shared libraries: libjack.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory At the moment, I'm trying to record the output of fluidsynth, which is being driven by Rosegarden through JACK. -- David gnome@hawaii.rr.com authenticity, honesty, community From t_w_ at freenet.de Fri Nov 10 04:14:20 2006 From: t_w_ at freenet.de (Thorsten Wilms) Date: Fri Nov 10 04:14:39 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [Music] Sea call In-Reply-To: <31d6485d0611092029sd37a4e6g1aa99ac858a6ef06@mail.gmail.com> References: <31d6485d0611092029sd37a4e6g1aa99ac858a6ef06@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20061110091420.GA5459@charly.SWORD> On Thu, Nov 09, 2006 at 11:29:09PM -0500, julien bodd wrote: Hi Julien! > http://www.archive.org/details/sea_call > > The track isn't finished, it's just a first idea. > > What do you think? Any advice is welcome. The bassdrum on the intro is too strict. Actualy I think the intro would be better without it, with just a short fill to start the beat instead. The snare sounds weak, just like filtered noise. I know it's not easy with fully synthesized snares to get away from that impression. The sound is best split into 3 parts: stick, snares, body. Stick is a short burst for the sound the stick hitting the makes. It's optional. Snares can be made from noise, but it tends to be too smooth and static on its own. Ringmodulated Saws can be used for a more metallic sound. The body is for the low end, somewhat similar to a bassdrum and can be made from sines. A clipped envelope with a short plateau before decay might help with the punch. One could simply use a sample, though :) The filtered pad could be made more reminiscent of waves. The melody is ok, but doesn't get me before 1:44 ... that's a realy nice theme. Now the hard part: extend it ;) -- Thorsten Wilms From folderol at ukfsn.org Fri Nov 10 04:25:10 2006 From: folderol at ukfsn.org (Folderol) Date: Fri Nov 10 04:25:48 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [Music] Sea call In-Reply-To: <31d6485d0611092029sd37a4e6g1aa99ac858a6ef06@mail.gmail.com> References: <31d6485d0611092029sd37a4e6g1aa99ac858a6ef06@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20061110092510.761e0f29@localhost> On Thu, 9 Nov 2006 23:29:09 -0500 "julien bodd" wrote: > Hi all, > > First time I post here. I've been reading you for a couple of days. > Here is a draft composition made with Rosegarden, ZynAddSubFX and Hydrogen : > > http://www.archive.org/details/sea_call > > The track isn't finished, it's just a first idea. > > What do you think? Any advice is welcome. > > Thank you. > > Julien Lociuro. I think this has a lot of promise and has a well matched title too. I agree with Thorsten about the Snare sound, but otherwise I think it'd pretty much in balance. It needs to be much longer though. I find I'm just getting comfortable as it ends ! -- Will J G From tech at glastonburymusic.org.uk Fri Nov 10 05:08:59 2006 From: tech at glastonburymusic.org.uk (tim hall) Date: Fri Nov 10 05:09:09 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Xjadeo not working in Ubuntu Edgy In-Reply-To: <695e1a650611091540r480cf97fw9664909d5fcb7102@mail.gmail.com> References: <695e1a650611091509l10bb329eof81faf476b77df80@mail.gmail.com> <695e1a650611091540r480cf97fw9664909d5fcb7102@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200611101008.59767.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> On Thursday 09 November 2006 23:40, Hector Centeno was like: > ....anyway, I found it. You have to now explicitly disable Composite > adding: > > Section "Extensions" > ? ? Option ? ? ? ? "Composite" "Disable" > EndSection Hmm, I have to try this. -- cheers, tim hall http://glastonburymusic.org.uk/tim We are the people We've been waiting for. From zettberlin at linuxuse.de Fri Nov 10 05:20:25 2006 From: zettberlin at linuxuse.de (Hartmut Noack) Date: Fri Nov 10 05:20:47 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] The famous "Jack Hum" (Can't record and desparate) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <45545269.400@linuxuse.de> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Carlo Capocasa schrieb: > There are a lot of hums that are very friendly and encouraging, but the > hum that comes out of my speaker when I start up Jack is way more than > that. It's sharp pitched and I believe it penetrates deep into the soul > and causes unrest there. I had a quite similar Problem (that ceased after i stop using a Lamp-dimmer in the room next door) and i am sure to call it "network-hum" instead of "jack-hum". Little poor innocent jack is just software - has no capabilities to fetch stuff from the real world, that is not *there* in the first place ;-) some 20 Years of fightig (unwanted) noise in audioelectronics give me the strong feel, that your problem is caused by hardware/cabeling/powersupply. You have mentioned, that you have a fw-sounddevice and that the hum unfolds, as you start up jackd. Jackd fetches the stream from the fw-device and if it causes humming jackd naively thinks, you want everything you precious soundcard generates ;-) here are some suspects: power-supply of the device: try changing its connection to the ac-net (vulgo: connect it to another powerline - preferably the same, you have your Computer connected to, rule of thumb: all devices should share the same fuse.) cabeling of the stuff, that is connected to the device: Microphone-cables should be hi-class, adapters shall be at the same fuse (see above) if you need phantom-power, fetch it from a mixer/preamp, that gets its current from the same etc... Neon-lights, dimmers, everything that needs a power-transformator. It can be the cute lights for the aquarium in the room next door... those produce electromagnetic waves that can pollute badly grounded/shielded cables, device-hulls etc etc If you play Guitars, Synths etc hardwired (eg. with an electric connection to the network/system), try to use direct-injection-boxes. network means: everything that has an electrical connection to whatever device you use, including stuff like modems, ethernet AND ac-plugs, electronical instruments, Lamps, hair-dryers, chainsaws, peripherals like printers, scanners, cameras etc. connected via USB, Firewire, ethernet, guitarcables, ac-adapters - you name it. good luck -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.3 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFFVFJp1Aecwva1SWMRAtinAJ0eTN5HrT0ZfOh68SmSkJPF1K93oQCcC+Fr 7rLSkwELjmhMeDU8EvY9JJQ= =+HoB -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From nettings at folkwang-hochschule.de Fri Nov 10 07:40:25 2006 From: nettings at folkwang-hochschule.de (Joern Nettingsmeier) Date: Fri Nov 10 07:41:06 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [admin] new linux-audio-* maintainer wanted... Message-ID: <45547339.5000102@folkwang-hochschule.de> hi everyone! over the last couple of months, i have not been able to tend to the lists very much - moderation latency on laa was sometimes as high as 5 days while i was on tour... sorry for that. since my workload is not likely to go down in the future, and since i have unfortunately lost some touch with the linux audio community (i haven't actually read the lists very much lately, as my main occupations were live audio and [YUCK!] web development), i'd like to pass on the baton of the list maintainer. a few months ago, some people have already volunteered - please drop me a mail again, i may have lost the old ones. if you think about taking on the job: we have 3 lists, linux-audio-[dev|user|announce], all run by mailman on a darwin server at columbia university, new york. you can have shell access on that box for admin tasks, and there is a neat web interface for common admin jobs. basic understanding of mail-related rfcs is certainly helpful, but i'm not exactly a mail god myself and found the job not too daunting :) some good spam filter will certainly help with the job - the admin addresses are getting spammed so heavily that i can't really process them anymore. please speak up if you're interested. best regards, j?rn -- j?rn nettingsmeier home://germany/45128 essen/lortzingstr. 11/ http://spunk.dnsalias.org phone://+49/201/491621 if you are a free (as in "free speech") software developer and you happen to be travelling near my home, drop me a line and come round for a free (as in "free beer") beer. :-D From J.M.Needham at bath.ac.uk Fri Nov 10 08:55:40 2006 From: J.M.Needham at bath.ac.uk (J.M.Needham@bath.ac.uk) Date: Fri Nov 10 08:55:51 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Audacity and Suse 10.1 and Jack... Message-ID: <20061110135540.l2mi8vqbogogswg0@webmail.bath.ac.uk> Don't seem to play well together. So I have Jack running happilly, open Audacity and both die on audacity startup. Audacity then runs. Have got Audacity running through Alsa. Any ideas? -- Jonty Needham From dlphillips at woh.rr.com Fri Nov 10 09:21:24 2006 From: dlphillips at woh.rr.com (Dave Phillips) Date: Fri Nov 10 09:17:22 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] M$/SuSE/ALSA ? Message-ID: <45548AE4.2080208@woh.rr.com> Greetings: As many of you already know, SuSE has entered into an interesting 5-year plan with Microsoft. You can find the details on Slashdot and elsewheres, so I won't rehash them here. What isn't mentioned is the ALSA/SuSE connection. I'm pretty sure some of the ALSA developers read these lists, and I'd like to hear from them regarding the significance of their employer's new connections and ALSA's IP and its continued development. Is this marriage happy news for Linux sound or is it an unholy alliance signifying doom and destruction for the world at large (and not just the Linux audio community ;) ? Or will things just cruise along in business-as-usual mode ? Any and all insight vastly appreciated. Best, dp From dlphillips at woh.rr.com Fri Nov 10 09:24:20 2006 From: dlphillips at woh.rr.com (Dave Phillips) Date: Fri Nov 10 09:20:30 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: [linux-audio-dev] M$/SuSE/ALSA ? In-Reply-To: <45548AE4.2080208@woh.rr.com> References: <45548AE4.2080208@woh.rr.com> Message-ID: <45548B94.4050201@woh.rr.com> My apologies, I should have written "Novell/SuSE". From julien.lociuro at gmail.com Fri Nov 10 09:43:05 2006 From: julien.lociuro at gmail.com (julien bodd) Date: Fri Nov 10 09:43:15 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: [Music] Sea call (Julien Lociuro) Message-ID: <31d6485d0611100643g7079ed6bhd308eb2c4571fab@mail.gmail.com> Hi all, thanks for the replies. The problem is, Thorsten, that I don't understand most of what you said. > The sound is best split into 3 parts: stick, snares, body. > Stick is a short burst for the sound the stick hitting the > makes. It's optional. Snares can be made from noise, but > it tends to be too smooth and static on its own. > Ringmodulated Saws can be used for a more metallic sound. > The body is for the low end, somewhat similar to a bassdrum > and can be made from sines. Could you explain the above more simply? > A clipped envelope with a short plateau before decay might > help with the punch. And this? Excuse me, but I'm pretty new in computer music, and still not used with this terminology. Bye. -- Julien Lociuro. From rncbc at rncbc.org Fri Nov 10 11:11:41 2006 From: rncbc at rncbc.org (Rui Nuno Capela) Date: Fri Nov 10 11:08:32 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: [linux-audio-dev] M$/SuSE/ALSA ? In-Reply-To: <45548AE4.2080208@woh.rr.com> References: <45548AE4.2080208@woh.rr.com> Message-ID: <4554A4BD.4090007@rncbc.org> Dave Phillips wrote: > Greetings: > > As many of you already know, SuSE has entered into an interesting 5-year > plan with Microsoft. You can find the details on Slashdot and > elsewheres, so I won't rehash them here. > > What isn't mentioned is the ALSA/SuSE connection. I'm pretty sure some > of the ALSA developers read these lists, and I'd like to hear from them > regarding the significance of their employer's new connections and > ALSA's IP and its continued development. Is this marriage happy news for > Linux sound or is it an unholy alliance signifying doom and destruction > for the world at large (and not just the Linux audio community ;) ? > > Or will things just cruise along in business-as-usual mode ? > > Any and all insight vastly appreciated. > Let's put this whole thing as a mental graph. SUSE has brought us ALSA and KDE support. Novell bought SUSE. MS accepts a (bilateral?) deal from Novell to make (old on new) Novell's customers happier, at least on the midterm (5 years). OTOH there's insiders among us that can speak for themselves. Now comes my personal thought: I will still do prefer openSUSE as my Linux distro of choice, and will do pass the message. But, ...be warned. At the slightest hint that ALSA and KDE is getting behind the community idea, I will step ahead (i.e flee :) But again, mind you, I have no problem in doing it all in the LFS way :D Cheers. -- rncbc aka Rui Nuno Capela rncbc@rncbc.org From atte.jensen at gmail.com Fri Nov 10 11:21:20 2006 From: atte.jensen at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Atte_Andr=E9_Jensen?=) Date: Fri Nov 10 11:21:32 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] reverse reverb Message-ID: <4554A700.6060106@gmail.com> Hi I'm looking for a "reverse reverb" effect to use in ardour. I'm not sure what the appropriate term is, but on an old analog tape it could be achieved by butting the tape in "wrong" so that it plays back in reverse, running the sound through a reverb, recording the reverb to separate tracks and putting the tape back in for normal playback. Is such an effect available as a LADSPA plugin (in that case I apologize for being unable to spot it in the vast list of plugins), or could it be build/emulated by using several LADSPA plugins? -- peace, love & harmony Atte http://www.atte.dk | quintet: http://www.anagrammer.dk | compositions: http://www.atte.dk/compositions From lilli.chiffon at free.fr Fri Nov 10 11:22:23 2006 From: lilli.chiffon at free.fr (Lilli Chiffon) Date: Fri Nov 10 11:23:20 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Ardour, Recorded Track in advance In-Reply-To: <45539C40.8080600@free.fr> References: <45539C40.8080600@free.fr> Message-ID: <4554A73F.9020406@free.fr> Lilli Chiffon a ?crit : > Hi the list, > > My apologize for all this noise tonight from me. > > I still have a little problem with ardour. > > When i record a track, from analog material (my guitar to be precise), > i play with a click and i'm on the time. But when i'm listening the > result, it's allways a little bit in advance (i can hear it) > > I compiled my kernel with realtime and preempt patch and when i run > ardour and jack, ardour indicate a 0.7 ms latency time but jack setup > latency is 92.7 ms. > > For the moment i move the region to fix it, but it's very usefull. > > Is there someone to met this problem before ? > > Cheers > > P'tit Louis > > I reply to myself with more informations. My soundcard is a M-audio Delta 66. I made some test and the gap between the sound i hear and the sound i record is around 4 frames (30 franes per second) e.g around 160 ms. P'tit Louis From paul at linuxaudiosystems.com Fri Nov 10 11:25:35 2006 From: paul at linuxaudiosystems.com (Paul Davis) Date: Fri Nov 10 11:26:10 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] reverse reverb In-Reply-To: <4554A700.6060106@gmail.com> References: <4554A700.6060106@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1163175935.2846.28.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Fri, 2006-11-10 at 17:21 +0100, Atte Andr? Jensen wrote: > Hi > > I'm looking for a "reverse reverb" effect to use in ardour. I'm not sure > what the appropriate term is, but on an old analog tape it could be > achieved by butting the tape in "wrong" so that it plays back in > reverse, running the sound through a reverb, recording the reverb to > separate tracks and putting the tape back in for normal playback. > > Is such an effect available as a LADSPA plugin (in that case I apologize > for being unable to spot it in the vast list of plugins), or could it be > build/emulated by using several LADSPA plugins? > i don't how useful it is, but the region context menu contains "Reverse" ... you might be able to work out something with that depending on whether you need realtime or not From atte.jensen at gmail.com Fri Nov 10 11:40:30 2006 From: atte.jensen at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?B?QXR0ZSBBbmRyw6kgSmVuc2Vu?=) Date: Fri Nov 10 11:40:45 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] reverse reverb In-Reply-To: <1163175935.2846.28.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <4554A700.6060106@gmail.com> <1163175935.2846.28.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <4554AB7E.8070707@gmail.com> Paul Davis wrote: > i don't how useful it is, but the region context menu contains > "Reverse" ... you might be able to work out something with that > depending on whether you need realtime or not Ok, I see. Other options? -- peace, love & harmony Atte http://www.atte.dk | quintet: http://www.anagrammer.dk | compositions: http://www.atte.dk/compositions From pw_lists at slinkp.com Fri Nov 10 11:42:59 2006 From: pw_lists at slinkp.com (Paul Winkler) Date: Fri Nov 10 11:43:18 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] reverse reverb In-Reply-To: <4554A700.6060106@gmail.com> References: <4554A700.6060106@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20061110164259.GA7461@slinkp.com> On Fri, Nov 10, 2006 at 05:21:20PM +0100, Atte Andr? Jensen wrote: > Is such an effect available as a LADSPA plugin Sadly, LADSPA plugin developers have been unable to invent a time machine ;-) There are "reverse" reverb effects available in commercial devices (my old crappy Alesis Microverb had such a setting), which I believe work by doing a gated reverb effect and applying a rising envelope to the wet signal. This sounds vaguely like the old analog reverse-tape trick but crucially, the reverb still happens after the dry signal. and no, I haven't seen that in any LADSPA plugins. -- Paul Winkler http://www.slinkp.com From atte.jensen at gmail.com Fri Nov 10 11:46:35 2006 From: atte.jensen at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Atte_Andr=E9_Jensen?=) Date: Fri Nov 10 11:50:19 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] reverse reverb In-Reply-To: <20061110164259.GA7461@slinkp.com> References: <4554A700.6060106@gmail.com> <20061110164259.GA7461@slinkp.com> Message-ID: <4554ACEB.105@gmail.com> Paul Winkler wrote: > Sadly, LADSPA plugin developers have been unable to invent a time > machine ;-) I was under the impression that LADSPA plugins could report a latency which would be compensated for if used in ardour. Wouldn't such a mechanism be sufficient to implement a lookahead plugin? -- peace, love & harmony Atte http://www.atte.dk | quintet: http://www.anagrammer.dk | compositions: http://www.atte.dk/compositions From fons.adriaensen at skynet.be Fri Nov 10 11:49:17 2006 From: fons.adriaensen at skynet.be (Fons Adriaensen) Date: Fri Nov 10 11:50:28 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] reverse reverb In-Reply-To: <4554A700.6060106@gmail.com> References: <4554A700.6060106@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20061110164917.GA5955@linux-1.site> On Fri, Nov 10, 2006 at 05:21:20PM +0100, Atte Andr? Jensen wrote: > I'm looking for a "reverse reverb" effect to use in ardour. I'm not sure > what the appropriate term is, but on an old analog tape it could be > achieved by butting the tape in "wrong" so that it plays back in > reverse, running the sound through a reverb, recording the reverb to > separate tracks and putting the tape back in for normal playback. > > Is such an effect available as a LADSPA plugin (in that case I apologize > for being unable to spot it in the vast list of plugins), or could it be > build/emulated by using several LADSPA plugins? You can make a reversed, 'gated', or whatever shape reverb using convolution. You'll need a reverb impulse response, mangle it in any way you like (in this case reverse it, or part of it), and use this with e.g. JACE. Or you could generate the IR using a soft synth: any burst of noise will produce a reverb effect having the same shape as the noise burst's envelope. Then in Ardour use a post-fade send to JACE, and mix in its output using a 'bus' module. -- FA Lascia la spina, cogli la rosa. From k.s.matheussen at notam02.no Fri Nov 10 11:50:19 2006 From: k.s.matheussen at notam02.no (Kjetil S. Matheussen) Date: Fri Nov 10 11:53:17 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: reverse reverb In-Reply-To: <20061110164326.7BC053FC9509@music.columbia.edu> References: <20061110164326.7BC053FC9509@music.columbia.edu> Message-ID: Paul Winkler: > > On Fri, Nov 10, 2006 at 05:21:20PM +0100, Atte Andr? Jensen wrote: >> Is such an effect available as a LADSPA plugin > > Sadly, LADSPA plugin developers have been unable to invent a time > machine ;-) > However, the LADSPA standard has full support for time machines. Thats what the latency port is for. (Not very fun running ardour with a 10 seconds latency perhaps though...) From t_w_ at freenet.de Fri Nov 10 11:50:26 2006 From: t_w_ at freenet.de (Thorsten Wilms) Date: Fri Nov 10 11:53:38 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: [Music] Sea call (Julien Lociuro) In-Reply-To: <31d6485d0611100643g7079ed6bhd308eb2c4571fab@mail.gmail.com> References: <31d6485d0611100643g7079ed6bhd308eb2c4571fab@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20061110165025.GB5459@charly.SWORD> On Fri, Nov 10, 2006 at 09:43:05AM -0500, julien bodd wrote: > The problem is, Thorsten, that I don't understand most of what you said. Ouch :) > >The sound is best split into 3 parts: stick, snares, body. > >Stick is a short burst for the sound the stick hitting the > >makes. It's optional. Snares can be made from noise, but > >it tends to be too smooth and static on its own. > >Ringmodulated Saws can be used for a more metallic sound. > >The body is for the low end, somewhat similar to a bassdrum > >and can be made from sines. > > Could you explain the above more simply? I got carried away a bit. It's only relevant if you want to synthesize your own drumsounds and thinking about it, I don't advice you to do that. Better just switch to another hydrogen kit and concentrate on composition. Now I'm sure you can find a nice introduction into (modular) synthesis online. Got my own mainly from Keys/Keyboards magazines years ago, that's why I have no links at hand ... except http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/allsynthsecrets.htm > >A clipped envelope with a short plateau before decay might > >help with the punch. Envelopes are used to control sounds over time. The most simple envelope has 2 steps, attack and decay, which can be used to fade a sound in and out. Now if you hold the maximum after attack for a short while, the sound can appear to have more power. If overdone, the sound will appear less crisp, a bit flat. -- Thorsten Wilms From chip.vandan at gmail.com Fri Nov 10 12:20:20 2006 From: chip.vandan at gmail.com (Chip VanDan) Date: Fri Nov 10 12:20:29 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Midi Woes In-Reply-To: <1162927009.30574.275240877@webmail.messagingengine.com> References: <1162807318.27635.275093661@webmail.messagingengine.com> <1162927009.30574.275240877@webmail.messagingengine.com> Message-ID: Well there was nothing about gameports or MIDI ports in the BIOS except that they were "enabled" so I'm not sure how else to find the physical address of the port. Perhaps I just need to put more research time into finding a module to enable it in the OS, but if it's not a serial port then what is it? > The serial ports have nothing to do with MIDI. > The MIDI port should be listed under "gameport" or "MIDI" or "MPU-401". -- -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- Version: 3.12 GCA/FA/S/O d+(--) s+: a-- C+++ L++ P E-- W++ N- o K? w O-- M- V- PS+ PE- Y+ PGP t- 5-- X R- !tv b++ DI++ D+ G+ e+/++ h--- r--/+++ z+++(*) ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------ From atte.jensen at gmail.com Fri Nov 10 12:27:05 2006 From: atte.jensen at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Atte_Andr=E9_Jensen?=) Date: Fri Nov 10 12:27:37 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] reverse reverb In-Reply-To: <20061110164917.GA5955@linux-1.site> References: <4554A700.6060106@gmail.com> <20061110164917.GA5955@linux-1.site> Message-ID: <4554B669.1020209@gmail.com> Fons Adriaensen wrote: > You can make a reversed, 'gated', or whatever shape reverb using > convolution. You'll need a reverb impulse response, mangle it in > any way you like (in this case reverse it, or part of it), and use > this with e.g. JACE. This sounds very interresting. Could you direct me to additional reading about how this is done, as I'm not sure exactly what steps are needed in which pieces of software? -- peace, love & harmony Atte http://www.atte.dk | quintet: http://www.anagrammer.dk | compositions: http://www.atte.dk/compositions From lilli.chiffon at free.fr Fri Nov 10 12:45:35 2006 From: lilli.chiffon at free.fr (Lilli Chiffon) Date: Fri Nov 10 12:45:47 2006 Subject: [Solved]Re: [linux-audio-user] Ardour, Recorded Track in advance In-Reply-To: <4554A73F.9020406@free.fr> References: <45539C40.8080600@free.fr> <4554A73F.9020406@free.fr> Message-ID: <4554BABF.9000305@free.fr> I found it, the trouble come from the buffersize setup in jack, to high !! Thanks. P'tit Louis From lau at kudla.org Fri Nov 10 12:52:17 2006 From: lau at kudla.org (Rob) Date: Fri Nov 10 12:52:48 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: M$/SuSE/ALSA ? In-Reply-To: <4554A4BD.4090007@rncbc.org> References: <45548AE4.2080208@woh.rr.com> <4554A4BD.4090007@rncbc.org> Message-ID: <200611101252.17159.lau@kudla.org> On Friday 10 November 2006 11:11, Rui Nuno Capela wrote: > and will do pass the message. But, ...be warned. At the > slightest hint that ALSA and KDE is getting behind the > community idea, I will step ahead (i.e flee :) While SuSE may have contributed to KDE, Novell actually owns Ximian, which for all intents and purposes created GNOME. I've always been wary of the movement to incorporate Mono into GNOME, and now I'm much, much more so. I don't see any particular threat to Linux audio users that isn't also present for Linux users in general, though. Rob From capocasa at gmx.net Fri Nov 10 13:10:03 2006 From: capocasa at gmx.net (Carlo Capocasa) Date: Fri Nov 10 13:11:17 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: The famous "Jack Hum" (Can't record and desparate) In-Reply-To: <4553E8C3.1010008@hawaii.rr.com> References: <4553E8C3.1010008@hawaii.rr.com> Message-ID: > Methinks there is Somewheres (note the forced plural!) in your hardware > setup one or more pieces with bad shielding and/or bad grounding. The > problems might not be limited to cabling - they could be something > inside your hardware. Me thinksesss this beesss precioussss advicessssss. > A possible candidate - your fireware audio interface w/ microphone > pre-amp. It may be originating the hum in the first place, and the mic > pre-amp makes it really loud. I have the same problem going over the internal sound card, and it is more intense there. The odd part is, the lower the latency, the more intense the hum; and even weirder, I CAN EVEN HEAR THE HUM WHEN THE COMPUTER IS HOOKED UP TO SPEAKERS THAT ARE TURNED OFF. So you can actually hear the hum; it's just that whatever sound adapter is hooked up, firewire or interal, amplifies it. First I thought it was hard drive noise; but I tried putting Jack's tempfiles on a ram disk and that had no effect. Could it actually be that the CPU itself is causing electromagnetic effects because it has to work so hard? Curious. Carlo From cesare at poeticstudios.com Fri Nov 10 14:20:26 2006 From: cesare at poeticstudios.com (Cesare Marilungo) Date: Fri Nov 10 13:22:06 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: The famous "Jack Hum" (Can't record and desparate) In-Reply-To: References: <4553E8C3.1010008@hawaii.rr.com> Message-ID: <4554D0FA.4040709@poeticstudios.com> Carlo Capocasa wrote: >>Methinks there is Somewheres (note the forced plural!) in your hardware >>setup one or more pieces with bad shielding and/or bad grounding. The >>problems might not be limited to cabling - they could be something >>inside your hardware. >> >> > >Me thinksesss this beesss precioussss advicessssss. > > > >>A possible candidate - your fireware audio interface w/ microphone >>pre-amp. It may be originating the hum in the first place, and the mic >>pre-amp makes it really loud. >> >> > >I have the same problem going over the internal sound card, and it is >more intense there. The odd part is, the lower the latency, the more >intense the hum; and even weirder, I CAN EVEN HEAR THE HUM WHEN THE >COMPUTER IS HOOKED UP TO SPEAKERS THAT ARE TURNED OFF. So you can >actually hear the hum; it's just that whatever sound adapter is hooked >up, firewire or interal, amplifies it. > >First I thought it was hard drive noise; but I tried putting Jack's >tempfiles on a ram disk and that had no effect. > >Could it actually be that the CPU itself is causing electromagnetic >effects because it has to work so hard? > > > I think it could be the cpu fan. If you've an AMD with Cool 'n Quiet (or something similar) the fan adjust its speed according to the cpu usage. Have you tried to experiment with the pc chassis opened? Hope this helps. c. >Curious. > >Carlo > > > > > -- www.cesaremarilungo.com On the Internet, no one knows you're using Windows NT -- Submitted by Ramiro Estrugo, restrugo@fateware.com From fons.adriaensen at skynet.be Fri Nov 10 13:24:30 2006 From: fons.adriaensen at skynet.be (Fons Adriaensen) Date: Fri Nov 10 13:22:38 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: The famous "Jack Hum" (Can't record and desparate) In-Reply-To: References: <4553E8C3.1010008@hawaii.rr.com> Message-ID: <20061110182430.GB5955@linux-1.site> On Fri, Nov 10, 2006 at 07:10:03PM +0100, Carlo Capocasa wrote: > I CAN EVEN HEAR THE HUM WHEN THE > COMPUTER IS HOOKED UP TO SPEAKERS THAT ARE TURNED OFF. And where is it coming from then, if not from the speakers ? -- FA Lascia la spina, cogli la rosa. From capocasa at gmx.net Fri Nov 10 13:24:16 2006 From: capocasa at gmx.net (Carlo Capocasa) Date: Fri Nov 10 13:24:52 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: The famous "It is not proven that it is because of Jack Hum" (Can't record and desparate) In-Reply-To: <45545269.400@linuxuse.de> References: <45545269.400@linuxuse.de> Message-ID: Thanks, Hartmut! Actually I was able to get rid of one kind of hum with my forced ground remover. Quite possible that there's lamp dimmers somewhere near every single place I start making music, but I found that the hum originates somewhere in my computer is a more credible explanation, especially since I can hear it with bare ears; a soft noise, almost like hard drive spinup noise, but a bit louder and continuous. Only comes up when using realtime live audio. > I had a quite similar Problem (that ceased after i stop using a > Lamp-dimmer in the room next door) and i am sure to call it > "network-hum" instead of "jack-hum". Little poor innocent jack is just > software - has no capabilities to fetch stuff from the real world, that > is not *there* in the first place ;-) LOL... agreed on Jack, I guess... Unless, of course, the hum really does originate inside the computer, in which case 'CPU kernel controlled by jack hum' would be probably most accurate. > some 20 Years of fightig (unwanted) noise in audioelectronics give me > the strong feel, that your problem is caused by > hardware/cabeling/powersupply. You have mentioned, that you have a > fw-sounddevice and that the hum unfolds, as you start up jackd. Jackd > fetches the stream from the fw-device and if it causes humming jackd > naively thinks, you want everything you precious soundcard generates ;-) > here are some suspects: > > power-supply of the device: try changing its connection to the ac-net > (vulgo: connect it to another powerline - preferably the same, you have > your Computer connected to, rule of thumb: all devices should share the > same fuse.) Already done... no noticable effect. > cabeling of the stuff, that is connected to the device: > Microphone-cables should be hi-class, adapters shall be at the same fuse > (see above) if you need phantom-power, fetch it from a mixer/preamp, > that gets its current from the same etc... Done. The hum is also there when there is no microphone connected. > Neon-lights, dimmers, everything that needs a power-transformator. It > can be the cute lights for the aquarium in the room next door... those > produce electromagnetic waves that can pollute badly grounded/shielded > cables, device-hulls etc etc I do suspect the noise originates inside the computer... Since I can hear it with bare ears and it just gets amplified by whatever sound card I happen to be using. > If you play Guitars, Synths etc hardwired (eg. with an electric > connection to the network/system), try to use direct-injection-boxes. > > network means: everything that has an electrical connection to whatever > device you use, including stuff like modems, ethernet AND ac-plugs, > electronical instruments, Lamps, hair-dryers, chainsaws, peripherals > like printers, scanners, cameras etc. connected via USB, Firewire, > ethernet, guitarcables, ac-adapters - you name it. K guess I'll try some more... But I still think jack is making my computer hum, if only because of the stress the guy is putting on my museal notebook computer created by the ancient Romans in 200 B.C. The front plaque reads 'Dellus' and it runs a kernel called 'Linus'. The vendor assured me the new stone roads would ensure excellent technical support by the educated greek slave nerds, but they let me know that ridding hum was 'not among the things they get forced to do.'. Carlo From b0ef at esben-stien.name Fri Nov 10 15:14:12 2006 From: b0ef at esben-stien.name (Esben Stien) Date: Fri Nov 10 13:30:07 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] reverse reverb In-Reply-To: <4554A700.6060106@gmail.com> (Atte =?utf-8?q?Andr=C3=A9?= Jensen's message of "Fri, 10 Nov 2006 17:21:20 +0100") References: <4554A700.6060106@gmail.com> Message-ID: <87ac2zukiz.fsf@esben-stien.name> Atte Andr? Jensen writes: > looking for a "reverse reverb" effect You talking about pre echo?. Snd has some code on this. -- Esben Stien is b0ef@e s a http://www. s t n m irc://irc. b - i . e/%23contact sip:b0ef@ e e jid:b0ef@ n n From paul at linuxaudiosystems.com Fri Nov 10 13:42:52 2006 From: paul at linuxaudiosystems.com (Paul Davis) Date: Fri Nov 10 13:43:18 2006 Subject: [Solved]Re: [linux-audio-user] Ardour, Recorded Track in advance In-Reply-To: <4554BABF.9000305@free.fr> References: <45539C40.8080600@free.fr> <4554A73F.9020406@free.fr> <4554BABF.9000305@free.fr> Message-ID: <1163184172.2846.43.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Fri, 2006-11-10 at 18:45 +0100, Lilli Chiffon wrote: > I found it, the trouble come from the buffersize setup in jack, to high !! thats not a solution, thats a workaround. it just makes the latency smaller so you can't hear the effect as easily. any chance you could answer my previous question? From cladisch at fastmail.net Fri Nov 10 14:14:47 2006 From: cladisch at fastmail.net (Clemens Ladisch) Date: Fri Nov 10 14:14:56 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Midi Woes In-Reply-To: References: <1162807318.27635.275093661@webmail.messagingengine.com> <1162927009.30574.275240877@webmail.messagingengine.com> Message-ID: <1163186087.10256.275524626@webmail.messagingengine.com> Chip VanDan wrote: > Well there was nothing about gameports or MIDI ports in the BIOS > except that they were "enabled" so I'm not sure how else to find the > physical address of the port. In that case, the BIOS probably assigns some address automatically. > Perhaps I just need to put more research time into finding a module > to enable it in the OS, but if it's not a serial port then what is it? The MIDI port is not accessed like a standard serial port. The module to use is snd-mpu401. HTH Clemens From eun.sung at no-log.org Fri Nov 10 14:14:53 2006 From: eun.sung at no-log.org (eun.sung) Date: Fri Nov 10 14:15:18 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] reverse reverb In-Reply-To: <4554A700.6060106@gmail.com> References: <4554A700.6060106@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4554CFAD.2000803@no-log.org> Atte Andr? Jensen a ?crit : > Hi > > I'm looking for a "reverse reverb" effect to use in ardour. I'm not sure > what the appropriate term is, but on an old analog tape it could be > achieved by butting the tape in "wrong" so that it plays back in > reverse, running the sound through a reverb, recording the reverb to > separate tracks and putting the tape back in for normal playback. > > Is such an effect available as a LADSPA plugin (in that case I apologize > for being unable to spot it in the vast list of plugins), or could it be > build/emulated by using several LADSPA plugins? > hi maybe you can achieve to get what you'd like with the reverse delay from steve harri's ladspa effects pack http://plugin.org.uk/ladspa-swh/docs/ladspa-swh.html in fact it would surely be not enough precise for your needs, i don't know From tdhoward at gmail.com Fri Nov 10 14:22:00 2006 From: tdhoward at gmail.com (Tim Howard) Date: Fri Nov 10 14:22:29 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: The famous "Jack Hum" (Can't record and desparate) In-Reply-To: <20061110182430.GB5955@linux-1.site> References: <4553E8C3.1010008@hawaii.rr.com> <20061110182430.GB5955@linux-1.site> Message-ID: On Fri, Nov 10, 2006 at 07:10:03PM +0100, Carlo Capocasa wrote: > I CAN EVEN HEAR THE HUM WHEN THE > COMPUTER IS HOOKED UP TO SPEAKERS THAT ARE TURNED OFF. My computer had a barely audible whine when KDE started, but when I started JACK, it would quit. As soon as I stopped JACK, the whine came back. I finally discovered that if I disabled KDE's normal sound daemon, the whine went away. I still have no clue what was whining, since it would do this even with no speakers connected. -TimH From rncbc at rncbc.org Fri Nov 10 14:40:13 2006 From: rncbc at rncbc.org (Rui Nuno Capela) Date: Fri Nov 10 14:37:00 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: M$/SuSE/ALSA ? In-Reply-To: <200611101252.17159.lau@kudla.org> References: <45548AE4.2080208@woh.rr.com> <4554A4BD.4090007@rncbc.org> <200611101252.17159.lau@kudla.org> Message-ID: <4554D59D.2090404@rncbc.org> Rob wrote: > On Friday 10 November 2006 11:11, Rui Nuno Capela wrote: >> and will do pass the message. But, ...be warned. At the >> slightest hint that ALSA and KDE is getting behind the >> community idea, I will step ahead (i.e flee :) > > While SuSE may have contributed to KDE, Novell actually owns > Ximian, which for all intents and purposes created GNOME. I've > always been wary of the movement to incorporate Mono into GNOME, > and now I'm much, much more so. > you should have read between the lines that I'm not very found of gnome and all that. my reasoning is simple: miguel started it just because someone told KDE was evil because Qt wasn't pure GPL at the time; then a whole wasteful effort begun to make gnome as the official gnu/fsf desktop; then come ximian; then miguel found that not.net was some kind of bethelem star. go figure why people didn't stuck with (imho) higher brained C++ and KDE just for the doctrine, go figure. :)) (what a waste of great minds) ... and what we have now? Yes, we do still have JACK and Ardour, ALSA, KDE and Linux as true high-tech, open-source, top-of-the-notch projects in the whole known universe. Go catch it, corporate-BS-savvy-boys :))) > I don't see any particular threat to Linux audio users that isn't > also present for Linux users in general, though. > Nor do I. After all, we the guys/gals are few and numbered, but do it for the fun and love, not for the money. Bah, did I say "love" ? Ah, for you who that don't know me, I was a hardcore windows developer once before. Ah, read "once" with emphasis :) thing of the first-half-nineties, blerk! Bottom line is, and that's not an opinion, the F/OSS (r)evolution is already unstoppable. Evidence comes to that IBM knows it. Ultimately, MS knows it too. And you just got to face it now? If you stay with me, and I believe MS strategy cannot be far behind, the OS business is already a dead-end. People are in charge. If you speak BS-like, you can read: the customer is in charge. And don't reply that was RH who come original with that slogan. I do remember something of the sort from Hammer's "reengineering the corporation". Yes early nineties gone old :) Just for the topic, funny thing is, a copy of gamma's/GOF is still around here somewhere and being a mid-nineties foundation truth must be told,... I'm just an old donkey who doesn't learn new languages anymore :D Cheers. -- rncbc aka Rui Nuno Capela rncbc@rncbc.org From g.meurisse at laposte.net Fri Nov 10 15:32:22 2006 From: g.meurisse at laposte.net (guillaume Meurisse) Date: Fri Nov 10 15:32:01 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] echo3g module fails to load firmware Message-ID: <4554E1D6.80907@laposte.net> Hi, I bought a layla3g last month. I cant manage to get it work. when i load the module i can read this in /var/log/messages: install_resident_loader: Failed to write DSP code If i retry the error message changes to this: install_resident_loader: Failed to write word count! I tried both 1.0.11 and 1.0.13 alsa versions. The sound card has worked a few times and i dont understand why. Here is kernel option relative to either kernel module loading or firmware loading that are activated: -module unloading -automatic kernel module loading -select only drivers that don't need compile-time external firmware -prevent firmware from being built -Userspace firmware loading support(M) This soundcards works well under windows, so this is not a hardware issue. What can i do to get it work with linux? Cordialement, Guillaume Meurisse From lala.land at freenet.de Fri Nov 10 15:47:27 2006 From: lala.land at freenet.de (lala) Date: Fri Nov 10 15:46:50 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] echo3g module fails to load firmware In-Reply-To: <4554E1D6.80907@laposte.net> References: <4554E1D6.80907@laposte.net> Message-ID: <4554E55F.8010409@freenet.de> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 guillaume Meurisse schrieb: > Hi, > > I bought a layla3g last month. I cant manage to get it work. when i > load the module i can read this in /var/log/messages: > > install_resident_loader: Failed to write DSP code > > If i retry the error message changes to this: > > install_resident_loader: Failed to write word count! > > I tried both 1.0.11 and 1.0.13 alsa versions. The sound card has > worked a few times and i dont understand why. > > Here is kernel option relative to either kernel module loading or > firmware loading that are activated: > > -module unloading -automatic kernel module loading -select only > drivers that don't need compile-time external firmware -prevent > firmware from being built -Userspace firmware loading support(M) > > This soundcards works well under windows, so this is not a hardware > issue. What can i do to get it work with linux? > > Cordialement, Guillaume Meurisse > > take a look at this --> http://www.alsa-project.org/alsa-doc/doc-php/template.php?company=Echo+Digital+Audio+Corporation&card=Layla+3G.&chip=Motorola+56361%2C+FPGA&module=echo3g perhaps it helps :) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFFVOVeh0Sf8rYIKd8RAi2MAKCWAvf3K+fmCbVJIB3kOIQ9UX28PACgwtzk ORaeVi+N9dilFQ8kuduccwI= =Y/37 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From dominic.sacre at gmx.de Fri Nov 10 19:52:05 2006 From: dominic.sacre at gmx.de (Dominic =?iso-8859-15?q?Sacr=E9?=) Date: Fri Nov 10 19:54:45 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: The famous "Jack Hum" (Can't record and desparate) In-Reply-To: References: <4553E8C3.1010008@hawaii.rr.com> Message-ID: <200611110152.05922.dominic.sacre@gmx.de> On Friday, 10. November 2006 19:10, Carlo Capocasa wrote: > I have the same problem going over the internal sound card, and it is > more intense there. The odd part is, the lower the latency, the more > intense the hum; and even weirder, I CAN EVEN HEAR THE HUM WHEN THE > COMPUTER IS HOOKED UP TO SPEAKERS THAT ARE TURNED OFF. So you can > actually hear the hum; it's just that whatever sound adapter is hooked > up, firewire or interal, amplifies it. A while ago I had a very similar problem, on an Athlon XP desktop machine. Whenever I ran jack at low latency, there was a high pitched noise coming from somewhere inside the case. I was unable to pinpoint where exactly it came from, but I'm pretty sure it originated somewhere on the mainboard, maybe the CPU or the PCI cards. But it didn't just come from the case, it was also audible on headphones, on both my PCI sound cards! At 256 frames/second, the noise was barely audible... At 128 it was quite easily noticable, and at 64 it became downright annoying. At 32 or 16 frames/second it was even worse... But the most intriguing part of the whole story: Not only did the noise get louder at a lower latency, it also seemed to precisely double its frequency when running at halve the number of frames. I even tried to measure the frequency of the noise. As far as I remember, when running jack for instance at 44100Hz, periodsize 32, the noise was at exactly 44100/32 = 1378Hz! Anyway, this whole issue went away after I disabled athcool (a utility to reduce heat and power consumption on Athlon CPUs) while running jack. But still all of this remains a mystery to me... Dominic From dfro at umich.edu Fri Nov 10 20:16:34 2006 From: dfro at umich.edu (David Froseth) Date: Fri Nov 10 20:17:01 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Cannot get qjackctl, jackd, alsa working. In-Reply-To: <454DAB4A.5040907@boosthardware.com> References: <454CEE44.6040601@umich.edu> <454DAB4A.5040907@boosthardware.com> Message-ID: <45552472.90108@umich.edu> Patrick, Thanks for responding. The output in my previous message is from the 'Messages - JACK Audio Connection Kit' window. I start this from the Applications menu. If I run qjackclt from the command line, I get: :~$ qjackctl X Error: BadDevice, invalid or uninitialized input device 166 Major opcode: 144 Minor opcode: 3 Resource id: 0x0 Failed to open device X Error: BadDevice, invalid or uninitialized input device 166 Major opcode: 144 Minor opcode: 3 Resource id: 0x0 Failed to open device Warning: no locale found: /usr/share/locale/qjackctl_en_US.UTF-8.qm Any ideas? Dave Patrick Shirkey wrote: > David Froseth wrote: > >> I am trying to get jackd, qjackctl, and alsa working on a pentium d >> desktop running ubuntu edgy. I am getting these error messages when I >> start qjackctl: >> >> .......... >> >> ALSA: final selected sample format for capture: 32bit little-endian >> ALSA: use 2 periods for capture >> ALSA: final selected sample format for playback: 32bit little-endian >> ALSA: use 2 periods for playback >> 12:38:49.469 Could not connect to JACK server as client. Please check >> the messages window for more info. >> **** alsa_pcm: xrun of at least 0.024 msecs >> **** alsa_pcm: xrun of at least 0.012 msecs >> 12:38:57.669 MIDI connection change. >> **** alsa_pcm: xrun of at least 0.534 msecs >> 12:38:58.077 Could not connect to JACK server as client. Please check >> the messages window for more info. >> **** alsa_pcm: xrun of at least 0.124 msecs >> **** alsa_pcm: xrun of at least 2.709 msecs >> 12:39:01.196 JACK is stopping... >> **** alsa_pcm: xrun of at least 2.769 msecs >> jack main caught signal 15 >> no message buffer overruns >> 12:39:01.333 JACK was stopped successfully. >> >> Any ideas on how to fix this? >> > > There are a few possibilities. > > - How are you starting the jack server and which user - root or normal? > > - Is this the output from the qjackctrl error window or the command line? > > From loki.davison at gmail.com Fri Nov 10 21:52:50 2006 From: loki.davison at gmail.com (Loki Davison) Date: Fri Nov 10 21:52:59 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] reverse reverb In-Reply-To: <4554CFAD.2000803@no-log.org> References: <4554A700.6060106@gmail.com> <4554CFAD.2000803@no-log.org> Message-ID: On 11/11/06, eun.sung wrote: > Atte Andr? Jensen a ?crit : > > Hi > > > > I'm looking for a "reverse reverb" effect to use in ardour. I'm not sure > > what the appropriate term is, but on an old analog tape it could be > > achieved by butting the tape in "wrong" so that it plays back in > > reverse, running the sound through a reverb, recording the reverb to > > separate tracks and putting the tape back in for normal playback. > > > > Is such an effect available as a LADSPA plugin (in that case I apologize > > for being unable to spot it in the vast list of plugins), or could it be > > build/emulated by using several LADSPA plugins? > > > hi > > maybe you can achieve to get what you'd like with the reverse delay from > steve harri's ladspa effects pack > > http://plugin.org.uk/ladspa-swh/docs/ladspa-swh.html > > > in fact it would surely be not enough precise for your needs, i don't know > The tap reverberator has a reverse echo chamber mode (called reverse afterburn or something like that... i can check i'm at a net cafe) which sounds pretty cool. Not sure if it's exactly what you want though. Loki From atte.jensen at gmail.com Sat Nov 11 02:40:25 2006 From: atte.jensen at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Atte_Andr=E9_Jensen?=) Date: Sat Nov 11 02:40:37 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] reverse reverb In-Reply-To: References: <4554A700.6060106@gmail.com> <4554CFAD.2000803@no-log.org> Message-ID: <45557E69.3000703@gmail.com> Loki Davison wrote: > The tap reverberator has a reverse echo chamber mode (called reverse > afterburn or something like that... i can check i'm at a net cafe) > which sounds pretty cool. Not sure if it's exactly what you want > though. Thanks, I'll give it a try! -- peace, love & harmony Atte http://www.atte.dk | quintet: http://www.anagrammer.dk | compositions: http://www.atte.dk/compositions From wagi at monom.org Sat Nov 11 07:35:16 2006 From: wagi at monom.org (Daniel Wagner) Date: Sat Nov 11 07:32:35 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: [Freebob-devel] Re: Help me set the volume for Freebob, please! In-Reply-To: References: <4548F6F4.4090200@monom.org> <45492B3C.7090507@monom.org> <454E4CDB.2050005@monom.org> <454E4D54.2010201@monom.org> <454FA490.2070008@monom.org> <45539C5E.1050303@monom.org> Message-ID: <4555C384.1040100@monom.org> > Well I've got it down that the hum only happens when phantom power is > switched on... Or, more precisely, that it is a LOT louder then. It is > the same hum I've been having with Jack for ages, only softer than on my > internal sound card. It happens as soon as I start jack and stops when I > stop jack and is louder the less latency there is. Apart from the ground loop problem the other thing I can image is that you hear you hardware 'sing'. For example, I can hear the interrupts fired from the ohci1394 card when I start a stream. > WTF??? How odd. Dying to get a solution, it's been plaguing me for > years. Note: It does get softer when I used an adapter to remove > grounding of the notebook, but it's still there. How odd. Don't think its odd. You seem to suffer from ground loops. > Thanks again, Daniel! no problemo. > PS: You don't happen to know whether the Apogee Ensemble could be run > using freebob? If so, I am eager to test. According the the schema the Apogee Ensemble has a DM1500 inside. I'm almost sure that there is a BeBoB running. And if Apogee has not removed the AV/C model it should be running fine with freebob. Hmm, thinking about Apogee they are closely tight to Apple. This means the device has almost for sure a working AV/C model inside. But to be sure someone has to test it first. cheers, daniel From wagi at monom.org Sat Nov 11 07:51:04 2006 From: wagi at monom.org (Daniel Wagner) Date: Sat Nov 11 07:48:38 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: The famous "Jack Hum" (Can't record and desparate) In-Reply-To: <200611110152.05922.dominic.sacre@gmx.de> References: <4553E8C3.1010008@hawaii.rr.com> <200611110152.05922.dominic.sacre@gmx.de> Message-ID: <4555C738.9050809@monom.org> > But the most intriguing part of the whole story: Not only did the noise > get louder at a lower latency, it also seemed to precisely double its > frequency when running at halve the number of frames. I even tried to > measure the frequency of the noise. As far as I remember, when running > jack for instance at 44100Hz, periodsize 32, the noise was at exactly > 44100/32 = 1378Hz! Is an interrupt fired at each period? If so the cpu will use more power (or woken if it was asleep); a small power 'surge' which can of course have an influence on any analog hardware near by. daniel From rncbc at rncbc.org Sat Nov 11 08:04:32 2006 From: rncbc at rncbc.org (Rui Nuno Capela) Date: Sat Nov 11 08:01:08 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Cannot get qjackctl, jackd, alsa working. In-Reply-To: <45552472.90108@umich.edu> References: <454CEE44.6040601@umich.edu> <454DAB4A.5040907@boosthardware.com> <45552472.90108@umich.edu> Message-ID: <4555CA60.70108@rncbc.org> David Froseth wrote: > Patrick, > Thanks for responding. The output in my previous message is from > the 'Messages - JACK Audio Connection Kit' window. I start this from > the Applications menu. If I run qjackclt from the command line, I get: > > :~$ qjackctl > X Error: BadDevice, invalid or uninitialized input device 166 > Major opcode: 144 > Minor opcode: 3 > Resource id: 0x0 > Failed to open device > X Error: BadDevice, invalid or uninitialized input device 166 > Major opcode: 144 > Minor opcode: 3 > Resource id: 0x0 > Failed to open device > Warning: no locale found: /usr/share/locale/qjackctl_en_US.UTF-8.qm > Those are perfectly normal messages from qjackctl startup. You can just ignore. Bye. -- rncbc aka Rui Nuno Capela rncbc@rncbc.org From rncbc at rncbc.org Sat Nov 11 08:10:08 2006 From: rncbc at rncbc.org (Rui Nuno Capela) Date: Sat Nov 11 08:06:49 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Cannot get qjackctl, jackd, alsa working. In-Reply-To: <45552472.90108@umich.edu> References: <454CEE44.6040601@umich.edu> <454DAB4A.5040907@boosthardware.com> <45552472.90108@umich.edu> Message-ID: <4555CBB0.6020700@rncbc.org> > Patrick Shirkey wrote: >> David Froseth wrote: >> >>> I am trying to get jackd, qjackctl, and alsa working on a pentium d >>> desktop running ubuntu edgy. I am getting these error messages when >>> I start qjackctl: >>> >>> .......... >>> >>> ALSA: final selected sample format for capture: 32bit little-endian >>> ALSA: use 2 periods for capture >>> ALSA: final selected sample format for playback: 32bit little-endian >>> ALSA: use 2 periods for playback >>> 12:38:49.469 Could not connect to JACK server as client. Please check >>> the messages window for more info. >>> **** alsa_pcm: xrun of at least 0.024 msecs >>> **** alsa_pcm: xrun of at least 0.012 msecs >>> 12:38:57.669 MIDI connection change. >>> **** alsa_pcm: xrun of at least 0.534 msecs >>> 12:38:58.077 Could not connect to JACK server as client. Please check >>> the messages window for more info. >>> **** alsa_pcm: xrun of at least 0.124 msecs >>> **** alsa_pcm: xrun of at least 2.709 msecs >>> 12:39:01.196 JACK is stopping... >>> **** alsa_pcm: xrun of at least 2.769 msecs >>> jack main caught signal 15 >>> no message buffer overruns >>> 12:39:01.333 JACK was stopped successfully. >>> >>> Any ideas on how to fix this? >>> >> >> There are a few possibilities. >> >> - How are you starting the jack server and which user - root or normal? >> >> - Is this the output from the qjackctrl error window or the command line? >> >> You didn't answer to the first question, which I think is the major. You have three possibilities: 1) run everything as root, it might work then but not recommended; 2) run everything as regular user with realtime-lsm module loaded and properly setup; 3) run everything as regular user with pam security rlimits properly set; Bye. -- rncbc aka Rui Nuno Capela rncbc@rncbc.org From zettberlin at linuxuse.de Sat Nov 11 09:40:44 2006 From: zettberlin at linuxuse.de (Hartmut Noack) Date: Sat Nov 11 09:41:11 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Cannot get qjackctl, jackd, alsa working. In-Reply-To: <454CEE44.6040601@umich.edu> References: <454CEE44.6040601@umich.edu> Message-ID: <4555E0EC.9030402@linuxuse.de> David Froseth schrieb: > I am trying to get jackd, qjackctl, and alsa working on a pentium d > desktop running ubuntu edgy. I am getting these error messages when I jackd does not run sufficiently in ubuntu edgy, you need to alter the system to make jackd start and run properly: 1.) have you started alsa-seq? ALSA Sequencer If you are planning on using MIDI at all, you will want to load the ALSA sequencer module. sudo modprobe snd-seq To have your system load it at bootup, you have to add it to the /etc/modules file. sudo su -c 'echo snd-seq >> /etc/modules' 2) you need a kernel, that has the capabilities needed by jackd. Unfortunately these are not provided anymore by the Ubuntu-Standardkernel but you can still use edgy if you install the "testing"-kernel from ubuntumusique: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=261821 works very well for me on edgy good luck Z From siliconjoe at gmail.com Sat Nov 11 12:15:50 2006 From: siliconjoe at gmail.com (Giuseppe Zompatori) Date: Sat Nov 11 12:16:01 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Midi Woes In-Reply-To: References: <1162807318.27635.275093661@webmail.messagingengine.com> <1162927009.30574.275240877@webmail.messagingengine.com> Message-ID: <3a5df3c20611110915h5f745376mb9e04164846df5ee@mail.gmail.com> Hi Clemens, try those 3 commands as root from a sheel: "rmmod snd-mpu401 snd-mpu401_uart" "modprobe mpu_port pnp=1" Make sure no appliction is using the midi port before entering the above commands. then type this command: "cat /proc/interrupts /proc/ioports |grep MPU" The last command should output dma and IRQ addresses of your mpu interface. That's what it outputs in my case: cat /proc/interrupts /proc/ioports | grep MPU 5: 14 IO-APIC-edge MPU401 UART 0330-0331 : MPU401 UART The MPU is sitting at dma is 5 on IRQ 0x330. And those are the very same values I have the MPU401 setup in my bios. Not that it matters, it should work already, as in: $~/ pmidi -l Port Client name Port name 14:0 Midi Through Midi Through Port-0 20:0 MPU-401 UART MPU-401 UART MIDI The problem in my case is it doesn't work... Onboard MPU401 has never worked too well for me in the latest kernels, tested on a an asus nforce2 based MB and on an ASRock "el-cheapo" SIS7012 based MB, both of them using the intel8x0 sound module. It doesn't work in that if I try playing a midi file the kernel complains on syslog about weird erros. That kinda worked with the older alsa versions that still had the "mpu_port" parameter for the onboard sound module. The midi port worked for some random amount of time untill it completely locked my box. I tested this under various distros. I am thinking about buying an extrenal/USB midi box, I am stuck without midi right now. Hopefully you'll be luckier than I was. Cheers, -gzed 2006/11/10, Chip VanDan : > Well there was nothing about gameports or MIDI ports in the BIOS > except that they were "enabled" so I'm not sure how else to find the > physical address of the port. Perhaps I just need to put more > research time into finding a module to enable it in the OS, but if > it's not a serial port then what is it? > > > The serial ports have nothing to do with MIDI. > > The MIDI port should be listed under "gameport" or "MIDI" or "MPU-401". > > > > -- > -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- > Version: 3.12 > GCA/FA/S/O d+(--) s+: a-- C+++ L++ P E-- W++ N- > o K? w O-- M- V- PS+ PE- Y+ PGP t- 5-- X R- !tv > b++ DI++ D+ G+ e+/++ h--- r--/+++ z+++(*) > ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------ > From chip.vandan at gmail.com Sat Nov 11 12:19:30 2006 From: chip.vandan at gmail.com (Chip VanDan) Date: Sat Nov 11 12:19:40 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Midi Woes In-Reply-To: <1163186087.10256.275524626@webmail.messagingengine.com> References: <1162807318.27635.275093661@webmail.messagingengine.com> <1162927009.30574.275240877@webmail.messagingengine.com> <1163186087.10256.275524626@webmail.messagingengine.com> Message-ID: Well I can load snd-mpu401-uart, but it doesn't seem to make a difference to anything, I still don't have anything but Midi Through to connect to in Jack. When I try to load snd-mpu401 I get : FATAL: Error inserting snd_mpu401 (/lib/modules/2.6.10-2.1.ll.rhfc3.ccrma/updates/drivers/mpu401/snd-mpu401.ko): No such device On 10/11/06, Clemens Ladisch wrote: > The MIDI port is not accessed like a standard serial port. > > The module to use is snd-mpu401. From siliconjoe at gmail.com Sat Nov 11 12:57:14 2006 From: siliconjoe at gmail.com (Giuseppe Zompatori) Date: Sat Nov 11 12:57:22 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Midi Woes In-Reply-To: References: <1162807318.27635.275093661@webmail.messagingengine.com> <1162927009.30574.275240877@webmail.messagingengine.com> <1163186087.10256.275524626@webmail.messagingengine.com> Message-ID: <3a5df3c20611110957h62315db1ye66f4cf98005a2cd@mail.gmail.com> Are you loading the module with the "pnp=1" param? Try re-removing both snd-mpu401 and snd-mpu401_uart as snd-mpu401_uart You shouldn't need to manually load snd-mpu401_uart as it is being loaded by snd-mpu401 itself. Try removing both modules again, and then to just load snd-mpu401. # modprobe snd-mpu401 pnp=1 and confirm it pulled in snd-mpu401_uart automatically: # lsmod | grep mpu401 snd_mpu401 9640 0 snd_mpu401_uart 10240 1 snd_mpu401 If you got troubles freeing up the midi devices try logging out and in again, it might quicker. good luck. 2006/11/11, Chip VanDan : > Well I can load snd-mpu401-uart, but it doesn't seem to make a > difference to anything, I still don't have anything but Midi Through > to connect to in Jack. > > When I try to load snd-mpu401 I get : > > FATAL: Error inserting snd_mpu401 > (/lib/modules/2.6.10-2.1.ll.rhfc3.ccrma/updates/drivers/mpu401/snd-mpu401.ko): > No such device > > > On 10/11/06, Clemens Ladisch wrote: > > The MIDI port is not accessed like a standard serial port. > > > > The module to use is snd-mpu401. > From dfro at umich.edu Sat Nov 11 13:24:53 2006 From: dfro at umich.edu (David Froseth) Date: Sat Nov 11 13:25:32 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Cannot get qjackctl, jackd, alsa working. In-Reply-To: <4555CBB0.6020700@rncbc.org> References: <454CEE44.6040601@umich.edu> <454DAB4A.5040907@boosthardware.com> <45552472.90108@umich.edu> <4555CBB0.6020700@rncbc.org> Message-ID: <45561575.80400@umich.edu> Rui, I clicked 'Applications > Sound & Video > JACK Control' from the Ubuntu/Gnome GUI as normal user. I do not know what the realtime-lsm module is or pam security rlimits are. Could you elabourate or direct me to some reading material? Thanks, Dave Rui Nuno Capela wrote: >>Patrick Shirkey wrote: >> >>>David Froseth wrote: >>> >>> >>>>I am trying to get jackd, qjackctl, and alsa working on a pentium d >>>>desktop running ubuntu edgy. I am getting these error messages when >>>>I start qjackctl: >>>> >>>>.......... >>>> >>>>ALSA: final selected sample format for capture: 32bit little-endian >>>>ALSA: use 2 periods for capture >>>>ALSA: final selected sample format for playback: 32bit little-endian >>>>ALSA: use 2 periods for playback >>>>12:38:49.469 Could not connect to JACK server as client. Please check >>>>the messages window for more info. >>>>**** alsa_pcm: xrun of at least 0.024 msecs >>>>**** alsa_pcm: xrun of at least 0.012 msecs >>>>12:38:57.669 MIDI connection change. >>>>**** alsa_pcm: xrun of at least 0.534 msecs >>>>12:38:58.077 Could not connect to JACK server as client. Please check >>>>the messages window for more info. >>>>**** alsa_pcm: xrun of at least 0.124 msecs >>>>**** alsa_pcm: xrun of at least 2.709 msecs >>>>12:39:01.196 JACK is stopping... >>>>**** alsa_pcm: xrun of at least 2.769 msecs >>>>jack main caught signal 15 >>>>no message buffer overruns >>>>12:39:01.333 JACK was stopped successfully. >>>> >>>>Any ideas on how to fix this? >>>> >>> >>>There are a few possibilities. >>> >>>- How are you starting the jack server and which user - root or normal? >>> >>>- Is this the output from the qjackctrl error window or the command line? >>> >>> > > > You didn't answer to the first question, which I think is the major. You > have three possibilities: > > 1) run everything as root, it might work then but not recommended; > 2) run everything as regular user with realtime-lsm module loaded and > properly setup; > 3) run everything as regular user with pam security rlimits properly set; > > Bye. From siliconjoe at gmail.com Sat Nov 11 13:30:49 2006 From: siliconjoe at gmail.com (Giuseppe Zompatori) Date: Sat Nov 11 13:31:01 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Midi Woes In-Reply-To: <3a5df3c20611110957h62315db1ye66f4cf98005a2cd@mail.gmail.com> References: <1162807318.27635.275093661@webmail.messagingengine.com> <1162927009.30574.275240877@webmail.messagingengine.com> <1163186087.10256.275524626@webmail.messagingengine.com> <3a5df3c20611110957h62315db1ye66f4cf98005a2cd@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <3a5df3c20611111030q453b682fse26e74e464a64257@mail.gmail.com> hmm... my first email was directed to you not Clemens, sorry for the confusion. Reading the older emails on this subject I realize you might not have the MPU port enabled in your BIOS at all as Clemens was suggesting... All of this this won't work unless you enable the midi port DMA and IRQ from your particoular BIOS. 2006/11/11, Giuseppe Zompatori : > Are you loading the module with the "pnp=1" param? > > Try re-removing both snd-mpu401 and snd-mpu401_uart as snd-mpu401_uart > You shouldn't need to manually load snd-mpu401_uart as it is being > loaded by snd-mpu401 itself. > Try removing both modules again, and then to just load snd-mpu401. > > # modprobe snd-mpu401 pnp=1 > > and confirm it pulled in snd-mpu401_uart automatically: > > # lsmod | grep mpu401 > snd_mpu401 9640 0 > snd_mpu401_uart 10240 1 snd_mpu401 > > > If you got troubles freeing up the midi devices try logging out and in > again, it might quicker. > > good luck. > > 2006/11/11, Chip VanDan : > > Well I can load snd-mpu401-uart, but it doesn't seem to make a > > difference to anything, I still don't have anything but Midi Through > > to connect to in Jack. > > > > When I try to load snd-mpu401 I get : > > > > FATAL: Error inserting snd_mpu401 > > (/lib/modules/2.6.10-2.1.ll.rhfc3.ccrma/updates/drivers/mpu401/snd-mpu401.ko): > > No such device > > > > > > On 10/11/06, Clemens Ladisch wrote: > > > The MIDI port is not accessed like a standard serial port. > > > > > > The module to use is snd-mpu401. > > > From cave.dnb at tiscali.fr Sat Nov 11 13:30:52 2006 From: cave.dnb at tiscali.fr (Nigel Henry) Date: Sat Nov 11 13:31:42 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] problems starting Breakage (the drum sequencer) Message-ID: <200611111930.52180.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> I DL'd Breakage from http://www.blackholeprojector.com/ . This needs chuck to be installed, so I built, and installed it with no problems. Also it needs java as it's a java app. So I DL'd jdk1.5.0_09 from Sun, and installed it in /usr/local/jdk1.5.0_09. I already have Sun's jre installed on another couple of distros, and creating links has enabled me to load applets on Firefox for sites that use java. I've done the same on this jdk install, and Firefox will load applets ok, but I've never used Java apps before. This is on Fedora Core 2. The insructions for starting Breakage are to double click on the "Breakage2.jar" file. I do this, but all that happens is that a load of files are printed out in Konqueror. these are .class, and .gif files, under various headings. Obviously I have some problem with Java. Either links or something. Can anyone offer any help to fix this? I have GB's of .wav files, and Breakage can use them, so it would be nice to try it. Nigel. From rncbc at rncbc.org Sat Nov 11 13:52:39 2006 From: rncbc at rncbc.org (Rui Nuno Capela) Date: Sat Nov 11 13:49:35 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Cannot get qjackctl, jackd, alsa working. In-Reply-To: <45561575.80400@umich.edu> References: <454CEE44.6040601@umich.edu> <454DAB4A.5040907@boosthardware.com> <45552472.90108@umich.edu> <4555CBB0.6020700@rncbc.org> <45561575.80400@umich.edu> Message-ID: <45561BF7.3030508@rncbc.org> David Froseth wrote: > Rui, > I clicked 'Applications > Sound & Video > JACK Control' from the > Ubuntu/Gnome GUI as normal user. I do not know what the realtime-lsm > module is or pam security rlimits are. Could you elabourate or direct > me to some reading material? > Unbuntustudio.org might have something for you spending some time reading. I found this primordial url: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuStudioPreparation Don't know if it will do on your particular case, but I guess you'll be on the right track in adding your regular username to the "audio" group and check whether your /etc/security/limits.conf file has something similar as I have on my opensuse boxes, like the following: @audio - rtprio 90 @audio - nice -10 @audio - memlock 4000000 Bye. -- rncbc aka Rui Nuno Capela rncbc@rncbc.org From ish at sarai.net Sat Nov 11 14:16:02 2006 From: ish at sarai.net (ish@sarai.net) Date: Sat Nov 11 14:16:14 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] frEeMuZik.net presents Live Music @ Forum Radio, ISF Delhi 12 Nov 2006 Message-ID: <75ff7906095a9220c0405187d8f04ce1@sarai.net> frEeMuZik.net presents The Revolution a live act from TaTva Kundalini, Dale, Electronic Fakir and ISh on the Forum Radio(India Social Forum) on 12 Nov from 4.30pm - 7 pm IST. Read about it at http://users.sarai.net/ish/live.htm TaTva Kundalini is an Electro-enthnic outfit from Delhi and have performed around India. ISh is a guitarist/composer also based in Delhi. You can download some of his music at http://users.sarai.net/ish/audio1.htm and more of his compositions can be found at myspace.com/freakopus Download more music and video by Various Artists from the frEeMuZik.net website at http://freemuzik.net For streaming the radio you can open the following link/URL http://radio.dyne.org:8000/isf.mp3 in your media player like WinAmp/ Win Media Player/ Quicktime/ Itunes/ XMMS etc and press play Best ISh Following are the relative time of the gig/Stream in Various Cities: Greenwich - 11:00:00 a.m. Sunday November 12, 2006 in Etc Amsterdam - 12:00:00 Noon Sunday November 12, 2006 in Europe Zurich - 12:00:00 Noon Sunday November 12, 2006 in Europe Japan - 08:00:00 p.m. Sunday November 12, 2006 in Tel_Aviv - 01:00:00 p.m. Sunday November 12, 2006 Nairobi - 02:00:00 p.m. Sunday November 12, 2006 in Africa East-Indiana - 06:00:00 a.m. Sunday November 12, 2006 in US Cairo - 01:00:00 p.m. Sunday November 12, 2006 in Africa Buenos_Aires - 08:00:00 a.m. Sunday November 12, 2006 in America/Argentina Barbados- 07:00:00 a.m. Sunday November 12, 2006 in America05:00:00 a.m. Costa_Rica - 05:00:00 a.m. Sunday November 12, 2006 Bangkok - 06:00:00 p.m. Sunday November 12, 2006 in Asia From nando at ccrma.Stanford.EDU Sat Nov 11 14:43:06 2006 From: nando at ccrma.Stanford.EDU (Fernando Lopez-Lezcano) Date: Sat Nov 11 14:43:16 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: The famous "Jack Hum" (Can't record and desparate) In-Reply-To: <4555C738.9050809@monom.org> References: <4553E8C3.1010008@hawaii.rr.com> <200611110152.05922.dominic.sacre@gmx.de> <4555C738.9050809@monom.org> Message-ID: <1163274186.12338.8.camel@cmn3.stanford.edu> On Sat, 2006-11-11 at 13:51 +0100, Daniel Wagner wrote: > > But the most intriguing part of the whole story: Not only did the noise > > get louder at a lower latency, it also seemed to precisely double its > > frequency when running at halve the number of frames. I even tried to > > measure the frequency of the noise. As far as I remember, when running > > jack for instance at 44100Hz, periodsize 32, the noise was at exactly > > 44100/32 = 1378Hz! > > Is an interrupt fired at each period? If so the cpu will use more power > (or woken if it was asleep); a small power 'surge' which can of course > have an influence on any analog hardware near by. Really sounds like the power supply, the high frequency transformers can "sing" with changes in load if the windings are a bit loose. I think capacitors can also do that. Somebody I know had a fanless computer in his room (a very old machine that really did not need fans if the case was left wide open) and the only remaining sound was some component singing with the network traffic... -- Fernando From paniq at paniq.org Sat Nov 11 15:44:26 2006 From: paniq at paniq.org (Leonard "paniq" Ritter) Date: Sat Nov 11 15:44:47 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [ANN] Aldrin 0.5 (Rat) Message-ID: <1163277866.5816.23.camel@localhost> Aldrin is an extensible open source modular sequencer/tracker, designed to be 1:1 compatible to Jeskola Buzz. We're proud to announce the release of Aldrin 0.5 (Rat), featuring support for DSSI plugins, new plugins such as FireSledge ParamEQ and Graue SoftSat, more preference settings, more keyboard shortcuts, various visual and handling improvements and the usual set of bugfixes. http://www.leonard-ritter.com/announcement_aldrin_0_5_rat -- Leonard Ritter -- Freelance Art & Logic -- http://www.leonard-ritter.com From bourdon at kabelfoon.net Sat Nov 11 16:15:11 2006 From: bourdon at kabelfoon.net (Bert Visser) Date: Sat Nov 11 16:15:17 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] problems starting Breakage (the drum sequencer) In-Reply-To: <200611111930.52180.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> References: <200611111930.52180.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> Message-ID: <45563D5F.2030600@kabelfoon.net> > I DL'd Breakage from http://www.blackholeprojector.com/ . This needs chuck to > be installed, so I built, and installed it with no problems. Also it needs > java as it's a java app. So I DL'd jdk1.5.0_09 from Sun, and installed it > in /usr/local/jdk1.5.0_09. > > I already have Sun's jre installed on another couple of distros, and creating > links has enabled me to load applets on Firefox for sites that use java. I've > done the same on this jdk install, and Firefox will load applets ok, but I've > never used Java apps before. > > This is on Fedora Core 2. The insructions for starting Breakage are to double > click on the "Breakage2.jar" file. I do this, but all that happens is that a > load of files are printed out in Konqueror. these are .class, and .gif files, > under various headings. > > Obviously I have some problem with Java. Either links or something. > > Can anyone offer any help to fix this? > > I have GB's of .wav files, and Breakage can use them, so it would be nice to > try it. > > Nigel. > > Hi. Try: java -jar /path/to/Breakage2.jar If java is installed correctly this should fire up the app. Doubleclicking only works on Windows as far as I know. greetings, Bert From g.meurisse at laposte.net Sat Nov 11 17:00:21 2006 From: g.meurisse at laposte.net (guillaume Meurisse) Date: Sat Nov 11 16:59:48 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] echo3g module fails to load firmware In-Reply-To: <4554E55F.8010409@freenet.de> References: <4554E1D6.80907@laposte.net> <4554E55F.8010409@freenet.de> Message-ID: <455647F5.8060405@laposte.net> lala a ?crit : > take a look at this --> > http://www.alsa-project.org/alsa-doc/doc-php/template.php?company=Echo+Digital+Audio+Corporation&card=Layla+3G.&chip=Motorola+56361%2C+FPGA&module=echo3g > > perhaps it helps :) > I have already read this pages and there is nothing related to my problem. here is the full listing of /var/log/messages Oct 17 18:17:58 Navi ALSA /.../pci/echoaudio/echoaudio_dsp.c:336: load_dsp: Set bad_board to TRUE Oct 17 18:17:58 Navi ALSA /.../pci/echoaudio/echoaudio.c:42: firmware requested: loader_dsp.fw Oct 17 18:18:09 Navi ALSA /.../pci/echoaudio/echoaudio_dsp.c:105: write_dsp: Set bad_board to TRUE Oct 17 18:18:09 Navi ALSA /.../pci/echoaudio/echoaudio_dsp.c:292: install_resident_loader: Failed to write DSP code Oct 17 18:18:09 Navi ALSA /.../pci/echoaudio/echoaudio.c:52: firmware released Oct 17 18:18:09 Navi ALSA /.../pci/echoaudio/echoaudio.c:52: firmware released Oct 17 18:18:09 Navi ALSA /.../pci/echoaudio/echoaudio.c:1850: init_hw err=-5 Oct 17 18:18:09 Navi ALSA /.../pci/echoaudio/echoaudio.c:1745: Stop DSP... Oct 17 18:18:09 Navi ALSA /.../pci/echoaudio/echoaudio_dsp.c:863: rest_in_peace() open=0 Oct 17 18:18:09 Navi ALSA /.../pci/echoaudio/echoaudio_dsp.c:827: stop_transport 0 Oct 17 18:18:09 Navi ALSA /.../pci/echoaudio/echoaudio_dsp.c:846: stop_transport: No pipes to stop! Oct 17 18:18:09 Navi ALSA /.../pci/echoaudio/midi.c:38: enable_midi_input(0) Oct 17 18:18:09 Navi ALSA /.../pci/echoaudio/echoaudio_dsp.c:81: timeout on send_vector Oct 17 18:18:09 Navi ALSA /.../pci/echoaudio/echoaudio.c:1750: Stopped. Oct 17 18:18:09 Navi ALSA /.../pci/echoaudio/echoaudio.c:1762: MMIO freed. Oct 17 18:18:09 Navi ALSA /.../pci/echoaudio/echoaudio.c:1768: Chip freed. Oct 17 18:18:09 Navi Echoaudio Echo3G: probe of 0000:01:08.0 failed with error -5 Cordialement, Guillaume Meurisse From songshop at bizmedia.com.au Sat Nov 11 17:04:10 2006 From: songshop at bizmedia.com.au (Geoff Beasley) Date: Sat Nov 11 17:05:02 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: The famous "Jack Hum" (Can't > record and desparate ) In-Reply-To: <20061110193701.19B713FD7116@music.columbia.edu> References: <20061110193701.19B713FD7116@music.columbia.edu> Message-ID: <200611120904.10459.songshop@bizmedia.com.au> another serious candidate for this kind of hum are "wall wort" power supplies.they can radiate AC hum for up to 2-3 meters from source. Do your speakers have power this way ? move the power supply towards and away from any audio hook-up cable and see ! best, g. From redfox at 99b.org Sat Nov 11 17:48:37 2006 From: redfox at 99b.org (Chris Abbott) Date: Sat Nov 11 17:48:56 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Clicks/pops in recording Message-ID: <45565345.6000603@99b.org> Just recently I recorded a live piano concerto. All of this was done using an ART Pre-amp, a Soundphone(I believe is the brand) CD burner, M-audio Omnistudio USB, and an iBook G4. Now, the pre-amp had a digital out that went to the CD burner. The 1/4" outputs of the pre-amp went to the M-audio which was connected to the ibook. Well, the burned CDs turned at great(note-I had the digital sample rate set to 48Khz). I had my Omnistudio set at 96Khz. Every so often in the recoding, you hear a bit of pop, which to me seems like some other system resource got priority. The only thing that occurred while recording was the display going to sleep. The airport was off, and Ardour, X11, and JackPilot were the only programs running. I'm curious as to what could have caused this, how to fix it. The next time I do a recording with it, I will probably have to drop the sample rate to 48Khz. -Chris From redfox at 99b.org Sat Nov 11 18:14:17 2006 From: redfox at 99b.org (Chris Abbott) Date: Sat Nov 11 18:14:31 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Clicks/pops in recording In-Reply-To: <45565345.6000603@99b.org> References: <45565345.6000603@99b.org> Message-ID: <45565949.6030107@99b.org> Chris Abbott wrote: > Just recently I recorded a live piano concerto. All of this was done > using an ART Pre-amp, a Soundphone(I believe is the brand) CD burner, > M-audio Omnistudio USB, and an iBook G4. Now, the pre-amp had a digital > out that went to the CD burner. The 1/4" outputs of the pre-amp went to > the M-audio which was connected to the ibook. Well, the burned CDs > turned at great(note-I had the digital sample rate set to 48Khz). I had > my Omnistudio set at 96Khz. Every so often in the recoding, you hear a > bit of pop, which to me seems like some other system resource got > priority. The only thing that occurred while recording was the display > going to sleep. The airport was off, and Ardour, X11, and JackPilot were > the only programs running. I'm curious as to what could have caused > this, how to fix it. The next time I do a recording with it, I will > probably have to drop the sample rate to 48Khz. > I forget to mention that I was in OSX at the time all of this occurred. Unfortunately, Linux doesn't support the M-Audio Omnistudio USB that well. > -Chris From cave.dnb at tiscali.fr Sat Nov 11 18:18:52 2006 From: cave.dnb at tiscali.fr (Nigel Henry) Date: Sat Nov 11 18:19:13 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] problems starting Breakage (the drum sequencer) In-Reply-To: <45563D5F.2030600@kabelfoon.net> References: <200611111930.52180.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> <45563D5F.2030600@kabelfoon.net> Message-ID: <200611120018.52784.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> On Saturday 11 November 2006 22:15, Bert Visser wrote: > > I DL'd Breakage from http://www.blackholeprojector.com/ . This needs > > chuck to be installed, so I built, and installed it with no problems. > > Also it needs java as it's a java app. So I DL'd jdk1.5.0_09 from Sun, > > and installed it in /usr/local/jdk1.5.0_09. > > > > I already have Sun's jre installed on another couple of distros, and > > creating links has enabled me to load applets on Firefox for sites that > > use java. I've done the same on this jdk install, and Firefox will load > > applets ok, but I've never used Java apps before. > > > > This is on Fedora Core 2. The insructions for starting Breakage are to > > double click on the "Breakage2.jar" file. I do this, but all that happens > > is that a load of files are printed out in Konqueror. these are .class, > > and .gif files, under various headings. > > > > Obviously I have some problem with Java. Either links or something. > > > > Can anyone offer any help to fix this? > > > > I have GB's of .wav files, and Breakage can use them, so it would be nice > > to try it. > > > > Nigel. > > Hi. > > Try: > > java -jar /path/to/Breakage2.jar > > If java is installed correctly this should fire up the app. > Doubleclicking only works on Windows as far as I know. > > greetings, > Bert All I get from trying the java -jar command is a return saying "no such command". Nigel. From zettberlin at linuxuse.de Sat Nov 11 18:44:40 2006 From: zettberlin at linuxuse.de (Hartmut Noack) Date: Sat Nov 11 18:44:56 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Cannot get qjackctl, jackd, alsa working. In-Reply-To: <45561575.80400@umich.edu> References: <454CEE44.6040601@umich.edu> <454DAB4A.5040907@boosthardware.com> <45552472.90108@umich.edu> <4555CBB0.6020700@rncbc.org> <45561575.80400@umich.edu> Message-ID: <45566068.1050504@linuxuse.de> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 David Froseth schrieb: > Rui, > I clicked 'Applications > Sound & Video > JACK Control' from the > Ubuntu/Gnome GUI as normal user. I do not know what the realtime-lsm > module is or pam security rlimits are. cut this for now, once you got a usable kernel installed, and have alsa-seq working. you can start jackd Realtime as a normal user and start to find out what the system is all about. Further tuning is usefull and can give better overall performance but the basics must be established before. Plus: to set up the ubuntumusique-repo and having the kernel working is quite easy, before you apply further tuning, read, look, learn how the whole thing ticks. z -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.3 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFFVmBo1Aecwva1SWMRArtiAJ99pJEWx+EKSKtkBIWESHxcjPtj4ACfWLoi Maxl5JZ2YMN+a45/buS3BEg= =9hx+ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From dlphillips at woh.rr.com Sat Nov 11 18:51:18 2006 From: dlphillips at woh.rr.com (Dave Phillips) Date: Sat Nov 11 18:46:47 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] problems starting Breakage (the drum sequencer) In-Reply-To: <200611120018.52784.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> References: <200611111930.52180.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> <45563D5F.2030600@kabelfoon.net> <200611120018.52784.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> Message-ID: <455661F6.1080702@woh.rr.com> Hi Nigel: Try this: /usr/local/jdk1.5.0_09/bin/java -jar /path/to/Breakage.jar The Sun JDK doesn't install its binaries to anywhere in your PATH. Best, dp From dfro at umich.edu Sun Nov 12 00:12:42 2006 From: dfro at umich.edu (David Froseth) Date: Sun Nov 12 00:13:04 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Cannot get qjackctl, jackd, alsa working. In-Reply-To: <45561BF7.3030508@rncbc.org> References: <454CEE44.6040601@umich.edu> <454DAB4A.5040907@boosthardware.com> <45552472.90108@umich.edu> <4555CBB0.6020700@rncbc.org> <45561575.80400@umich.edu> <45561BF7.3030508@rncbc.org> Message-ID: <4556AD4A.8090506@umich.edu> Rui, I went through the UbuntuStudioPreparation steps when I first set up my system. I asked for help on the Ubuntu Studio forum and nobody would reply. My limits.conf file contains the lines: @audio - rtprio 99 @audio - memlock 250000 @audio - nice -10 I have no idea what this stuff means but it is there. And Hartmut, I have a Pentium D 930 Dual-core Processor. I don't think the ubuntumusique-repo kernel will work with this. Any more thoughts on what I should do? Dave Rui Nuno Capela wrote: > David Froseth wrote: > >>Rui, >> I clicked 'Applications > Sound & Video > JACK Control' from the >>Ubuntu/Gnome GUI as normal user. I do not know what the realtime-lsm >>module is or pam security rlimits are. Could you elabourate or direct >>me to some reading material? >> > > > Unbuntustudio.org might have something for you spending some time > reading. I found this primordial url: > > https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuStudioPreparation > > Don't know if it will do on your particular case, but I guess you'll be > on the right track in adding your regular username to the "audio" group > and check whether your /etc/security/limits.conf file has something > similar as I have on my opensuse boxes, like the following: > > @audio - rtprio 90 > @audio - nice -10 > @audio - memlock 4000000 > > Bye. From tech at glastonburymusic.org.uk Sun Nov 12 04:52:48 2006 From: tech at glastonburymusic.org.uk (tim hall) Date: Sun Nov 12 04:53:04 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Clicks/pops in recording In-Reply-To: <45565949.6030107@99b.org> References: <45565345.6000603@99b.org> <45565949.6030107@99b.org> Message-ID: <200611120952.48418.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> On Saturday 11 November 2006 23:14, Chris Abbott was like: > Chris Abbott wrote: > > Just recently I recorded a live piano concerto. All of this was done > > using an ART Pre-amp, a Soundphone(I believe is the brand) CD burner, > > M-audio Omnistudio USB, and an iBook G4. Now, the pre-amp had a digital > > out that went to the CD burner. The 1/4" outputs of the pre-amp went to > > the M-audio which was connected to the ibook. Well, the burned CDs > > turned at great(note-I had the digital sample rate set to 48Khz). I had > > my Omnistudio set at 96Khz. Every so often in the recoding, you hear a > > bit of pop, which to me seems like some other system resource got > > priority. The only thing that occurred while recording was the display > > going to sleep. The airport was off, and Ardour, X11, and JackPilot were > > the only programs running. I'm curious as to what could have caused > > this, how to fix it. The next time I do a recording with it, I will > > probably have to drop the sample rate to 48Khz. > > I forget to mention that I was in OSX at the time all of this occurred. > Unfortunately, Linux doesn't support the M-Audio Omnistudio USB that well. Try asking on an OSX / Darwin Audio mailing list. Unfortunately for you, the Linux Audio Users list doesn't provide support for Darwin based systems at all. Maybe worth asking at the GNU/Darwin project? -- cheers, tim hall http://glastonburymusic.org.uk/tim We are the people We've been waiting for. From dlphillips at woh.rr.com Sun Nov 12 05:29:01 2006 From: dlphillips at woh.rr.com (Dave Phillips) Date: Sun Nov 12 05:24:36 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Dave's Prelude In-Reply-To: <20061016213706.6677ff61@localhost> References: <20061014003019.6d6652b0@localhost> <4530C5C1.4020300@woh.rr.com> <20061016213706.6677ff61@localhost> Message-ID: <4556F76D.7070805@woh.rr.com> Folderol wrote: >I think anyone recording piano pieces is very brave! I know, from my >childhood piano lesson days, it is a particularly unforgiving >instrument - probably why it is so often used for teaching. > >To any other keyboard users, if you want to find out exactly how bad >your timing is, or how weak the melody, change the voices to piano - >best have a stiff drink handy :/ > Just to be precise: I don't play piano or any other musical keyboard. My MIDI pieces are composed note by individual note, i.e. in what used to be called step-time, using the Insert key on my QWERTY keyboard. If the recording conveys the effect is of a more-or-less real player, it's due to the tempo and velocity work done after the note entry. And as always, thank you for listening to my music. :) Best, dp From rncbc at rncbc.org Sun Nov 12 05:47:53 2006 From: rncbc at rncbc.org (Rui Nuno Capela) Date: Sun Nov 12 05:44:37 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Cannot get qjackctl, jackd, alsa working. In-Reply-To: <4556AD4A.8090506@umich.edu> References: <454CEE44.6040601@umich.edu> <454DAB4A.5040907@boosthardware.com> <45552472.90108@umich.edu> <4555CBB0.6020700@rncbc.org> <45561575.80400@umich.edu> <45561BF7.3030508@rncbc.org> <4556AD4A.8090506@umich.edu> Message-ID: <4556FBD9.8040402@rncbc.org> David Froseth wrote: > Rui, > I went through the UbuntuStudioPreparation steps when I first set up > my system. I asked for help on the Ubuntu Studio forum and nobody would > reply. My limits.conf file contains the lines: > > @audio - rtprio 99 > @audio - memlock 250000 > @audio - nice -10 > > I have no idea what this stuff means but it is there. > > And Hartmut, I have a Pentium D 930 Dual-core Processor. I don't think > the ubuntumusique-repo kernel will work with this. > > Any more thoughts on what I should do? > Is your username part of the "audio" group as I implied? -- rncbc aka Rui Nuno Capela rncbc@rncbc.org From cave.dnb at tiscali.fr Sun Nov 12 08:50:03 2006 From: cave.dnb at tiscali.fr (Nigel Henry) Date: Sun Nov 12 08:50:25 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] problems starting Breakage (the drum sequencer) In-Reply-To: <455661F6.1080702@woh.rr.com> References: <200611111930.52180.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> <200611120018.52784.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> <455661F6.1080702@woh.rr.com> Message-ID: <200611121450.03806.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> On Sunday 12 November 2006 00:51, Dave Phillips wrote: > Hi Nigel: > > Try this: > > /usr/local/jdk1.5.0_09/bin/java -jar /path/to/Breakage.jar > > > The Sun JDK doesn't install its binaries to anywhere in your PATH. > > Best, > > dp Hi Dave. That path works ok, but there seems to be a problem between Java, and Chuck, see below. [djmons@localhost djmons]$ /usr/local/jdk1.5.0_09/bin/java -jar /home/djmons/Downloads/Breakage/Breakage/Breakage2.jar [breakage.OscComm] Starting ChucK process... java.io.IOException: java.io.IOException: ./chuck: not found at java.lang.UNIXProcess.(UNIXProcess.java:148) at java.lang.ProcessImpl.start(ProcessImpl.java:65) at java.lang.ProcessBuilder.start(ProcessBuilder.java:451) at java.lang.Runtime.exec(Runtime.java:591) at java.lang.Runtime.exec(Runtime.java:429) at java.lang.Runtime.exec(Runtime.java:326) at breakage.util.ExecHelper.exec(ExecHelper.java:63) at breakage.OscComm.startChuck(OscComm.java:62) at breakage.App.(App.java:63) at breakage.App.main(App.java:56) [breakage.OscComm] ChucK started, waiting for hello... It stops at the "waiting for hello..." . The version of Chuck is 1.2.0.7 , and I ran Make with the linux-alsa option, then make install put the binary in /usr/bin . I ran the "chuck" command, and got a return of " [chuck] : no input files", which the install notes said was correct, but running "./chuck" gives me a "no such file or directory" , which is what the "java.io.IOException" line above seems to be complaining about. The 2 versions of Breakage I DL'd are Breakage-21, and Breakage-22b, and if I try the path to run version 22b, I don't even get the last line of output, "the waiting for hello one". Any suggestions? Nigel. From dlphillips at woh.rr.com Sun Nov 12 09:05:48 2006 From: dlphillips at woh.rr.com (Dave Phillips) Date: Sun Nov 12 09:01:54 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] problems starting Breakage (the drum sequencer) In-Reply-To: <200611121450.03806.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> References: <200611111930.52180.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> <200611120018.52784.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> <455661F6.1080702@woh.rr.com> <200611121450.03806.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> Message-ID: <45572A3C.302@woh.rr.com> Hi Nigel: Make a symlink from /usr/local/bin/chuck (or wherever it's located) to /home/nigel/Breakage/chuck (or wherever Breakage is located). The form ./chuck indicates that Breakage (or Java) is looking for the chuck binary in the current directory (which should be the Breakage directory). Best, dp From pieterp at joow.be Sun Nov 12 09:42:31 2006 From: pieterp at joow.be (Pieter Palmers) Date: Sun Nov 12 09:42:48 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: The famous "Jack Hum" (Can't record and desparate) In-Reply-To: <1163274186.12338.8.camel@cmn3.stanford.edu> References: <4553E8C3.1010008@hawaii.rr.com> <200611110152.05922.dominic.sacre@gmx.de> <4555C738.9050809@monom.org> <1163274186.12338.8.camel@cmn3.stanford.edu> Message-ID: <455732D7.5070502@joow.be> Fernando Lopez-Lezcano wrote: >On Sat, 2006-11-11 at 13:51 +0100, Daniel Wagner wrote: > > >>>But the most intriguing part of the whole story: Not only did the noise >>>get louder at a lower latency, it also seemed to precisely double its >>>frequency when running at halve the number of frames. I even tried to >>>measure the frequency of the noise. As far as I remember, when running >>>jack for instance at 44100Hz, periodsize 32, the noise was at exactly >>>44100/32 = 1378Hz! >>> >>> >>Is an interrupt fired at each period? If so the cpu will use more power >>(or woken if it was asleep); a small power 'surge' which can of course >>have an influence on any analog hardware near by. >> >> > >Really sounds like the power supply, the high frequency transformers can >"sing" with changes in load if the windings are a bit loose. I think >capacitors can also do that. > >Somebody I know had a fanless computer in his room (a very old machine >that really did not need fans if the case was left wide open) and the >only remaining sound was some component singing with the network >traffic... > > A simple test to see if the load is causing the hum: Open a PDF in acroread (if you have it installed). I noticed that I can make some computer sing by dragging the view (hand tool) in acrobat reader. acroread seems to contignously redraw when you use the hand tool. The solution: get a high quality power supply & possibly a high quality mainboard too. But as you are experiencing this with a laptop there's not much you can do. Pieter PS: Maybe this is the one good reason to choose Apple over Dell... ? From pshirkey at boosthardware.com Sun Nov 12 10:02:23 2006 From: pshirkey at boosthardware.com (Patrick Shirkey) Date: Sun Nov 12 10:02:48 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: [linux-audio-dev] M$/SuSE/ALSA ? In-Reply-To: <45548B94.4050201@woh.rr.com> References: <45548AE4.2080208@woh.rr.com> <45548B94.4050201@woh.rr.com> Message-ID: <4557377F.20801@boosthardware.com> Dave Phillips wrote: > > My apologies, I should have written "Novell/SuSE". > Well, their stated aim is to make Linux and MS work together so as they are about to start on the Zune marketing drive that could mean we will see some action otherwise there's probably nothing else that isn't already done or being done that M$ will want to add to Linux Audio. Oh, apart from native VST support but I can't really see that being a priority for Redmond. They might pay Stephane Letz some money to port JACK though ;-) -- Patrick Shirkey - Boost Hardware Ltd. Http://www.boosthardware.com Http://lau.linuxaudio.org - The Linux Audio Users guide ======================================== "Anything your mind can see you can manifest physically, then it will become reality" - Macka B From paul at linuxaudiosystems.com Sun Nov 12 10:07:54 2006 From: paul at linuxaudiosystems.com (Paul Davis) Date: Sun Nov 12 10:08:25 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: [linux-audio-dev] M$/SuSE/ALSA ? In-Reply-To: <4557377F.20801@boosthardware.com> References: <45548AE4.2080208@woh.rr.com> <45548B94.4050201@woh.rr.com> <4557377F.20801@boosthardware.com> Message-ID: <1163344074.2846.122.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Sun, 2006-11-12 at 22:02 +0700, Patrick Shirkey wrote: > They might pay Stephane Letz some money to port JACK though ;-) Stephane has already ported JACK to windows. From cave.dnb at tiscali.fr Sun Nov 12 10:38:58 2006 From: cave.dnb at tiscali.fr (Nigel Henry) Date: Sun Nov 12 10:39:18 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] problems starting Breakage (the drum sequencer) In-Reply-To: <45572A3C.302@woh.rr.com> References: <200611111930.52180.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> <200611121450.03806.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> <45572A3C.302@woh.rr.com> Message-ID: <200611121638.59033.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> On Sunday 12 November 2006 15:05, Dave Phillips wrote: > Hi Nigel: > > Make a symlink from /usr/local/bin/chuck (or wherever it's located) to > /home/nigel/Breakage/chuck (or wherever Breakage is located). > > The form ./chuck indicates that Breakage (or Java) is looking for the > chuck binary in the current directory (which should be the Breakage > directory). > > Best, > > dp Hi again Dave. This is fun. The chuck symlinks didn't work in the Breakage directory, but I created one in the /home/user directory, and now the java complaints are gone, and running ./chuck on the CLI gives the correct response. Now breakage is complaining about a missing file "Channel.ck", which is there because I'm looking at it. Output below. [djmons@localhost djmons]$ /usr/local/jdk1.5.0_09/bin/java -jar /home/djmons/Breakage/Breakage2.jar [breakage.OscComm] Starting ChucK process... [breakage.OscComm] ER: [breakage.OscComm] IN: [breakage.OscComm] ER: [Channel.ck]: [breakage.OscComm] ER: [breakage.OscComm] ER: no such file or directory [breakage.OscComm] ER: [breakage.OscComm] END: 1 [breakage.OscComm] ChucK started, waiting for hello... Any further thoughts. Nigel. From pshirkey at boosthardware.com Sun Nov 12 10:47:05 2006 From: pshirkey at boosthardware.com (Patrick Shirkey) Date: Sun Nov 12 10:47:25 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: [linux-audio-dev] M$/SuSE/ALSA ? In-Reply-To: <1163344074.2846.122.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <45548AE4.2080208@woh.rr.com> <45548B94.4050201@woh.rr.com> <4557377F.20801@boosthardware.com> <1163344074.2846.122.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <455741F9.6000600@boosthardware.com> Paul Davis wrote: > On Sun, 2006-11-12 at 22:02 +0700, Patrick Shirkey wrote: > >> They might pay Stephane Letz some money to port JACK though ;-) > > Stephane has already ported JACK to windows. > > Bummer huh... I guess that revenue stream has been lost by being pro-active and forward thinking... -- Patrick Shirkey - Boost Hardware Ltd. Http://www.boosthardware.com Http://lau.linuxaudio.org - The Linux Audio Users guide ======================================== "Anything your mind can see you can manifest physically, then it will become reality" - Macka B From lanas at securenet.net Sun Nov 12 11:16:14 2006 From: lanas at securenet.net (lanas) Date: Sun Nov 12 11:16:48 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] M$/SuSE/ALSA ? In-Reply-To: <45548AE4.2080208@woh.rr.com> References: <45548AE4.2080208@woh.rr.com> Message-ID: <20061112111614.70795231@mistral.stie> On Fri, 10 Nov 2006 09:21:24 -0500 Dave Phillips ?crivait: > from them regarding the significance of their employer's new > connections and ALSA's IP and its continued development. Well, surely there is a way to incoporate DRM into ALSA... ;-)))) Cheers, Al From dlphillips at woh.rr.com Sun Nov 12 12:21:04 2006 From: dlphillips at woh.rr.com (Dave Phillips) Date: Sun Nov 12 12:19:58 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] problems starting Breakage (the drum sequencer) In-Reply-To: <200611121638.59033.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> References: <200611111930.52180.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> <200611121450.03806.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> <45572A3C.302@woh.rr.com> <200611121638.59033.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> Message-ID: <45575800.8040207@woh.rr.com> Nigel Henry wrote: >Any further thoughts. > Closer, closer he creeps... ;) Alas, I'm away from the home machine, we'll have to wait until tomorrow to get it all straight. However, IIRC I took these steps before starting Breakage: Install ChucK with default installation path (I assumed it's the /usr/local tree). Install Sun JDK 1.5, symlink to /usr/local/java Install Breakage to /home/dlphilp/Breakage Link /usr/local/bin/chuck to /home/dlphilp/Breakage/chuck Enter /home/dlphilp/Breakage and run '/usr/local/java/bin/java -jar Breakage.jar' I'll have more details re: versions tomorrow. Best, dp From rlrevell at joe-job.com Sun Nov 12 13:07:49 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Sun Nov 12 13:09:44 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: The famous "Jack Hum" (Can't record and desparate) In-Reply-To: <455732D7.5070502@joow.be> References: <4553E8C3.1010008@hawaii.rr.com> <200611110152.05922.dominic.sacre@gmx.de> <4555C738.9050809@monom.org> <1163274186.12338.8.camel@cmn3.stanford.edu> <455732D7.5070502@joow.be> Message-ID: <1163354869.30649.24.camel@mindpipe> On Sun, 2006-11-12 at 15:42 +0100, Pieter Palmers wrote: > PS: Maybe this is the one good reason to choose Apple over Dell... ? Apple's quality control is as bad as the PC guys these days (google "Macbook random shutdown"). Lee From jack.oquin at gmail.com Sun Nov 12 13:32:06 2006 From: jack.oquin at gmail.com (Jack O'Quin) Date: Sun Nov 12 13:32:23 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Clicks/pops in recording In-Reply-To: <200611120952.48418.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> References: <45565345.6000603@99b.org> <45565949.6030107@99b.org> <200611120952.48418.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> Message-ID: > On Saturday 11 November 2006 23:14, Chris Abbott was like: > > Chris Abbott wrote: > > > Just recently I recorded a live piano concerto. All of this was done > > > using an ART Pre-amp, a Soundphone(I believe is the brand) CD burner, > > > M-audio Omnistudio USB, and an iBook G4. Now, the pre-amp had a digital > > > out that went to the CD burner. The 1/4" outputs of the pre-amp went to > > > the M-audio which was connected to the ibook. Well, the burned CDs > > > turned at great(note-I had the digital sample rate set to 48Khz). I had > > > my Omnistudio set at 96Khz. Every so often in the recoding, you hear a > > > bit of pop, which to me seems like some other system resource got > > > priority. The only thing that occurred while recording was the display > > > going to sleep. The airport was off, and Ardour, X11, and JackPilot were > > > the only programs running. I'm curious as to what could have caused > > > this, how to fix it. The next time I do a recording with it, I will > > > probably have to drop the sample rate to 48Khz. Darwin generally has good support for realtime scheduling. Do ardour or jackd report any xruns? How large a period size are you using? (That can be a problem with many USB devices.) For recording, large -p settings are generally safer. > > I forget to mention that I was in OSX at the time all of this occurred. > > Unfortunately, Linux doesn't support the M-Audio Omnistudio USB that well. Many Linux users have reported problems with various M-Audio USB devices. A pity, because their PCI devices work great. This could very well be a device problem, but people here are unlikely to know much about that. I certainly don't. On 11/12/06, tim hall wrote: > Try asking on an OSX / Darwin Audio mailing list. > Unfortunately for you, the Linux Audio Users list doesn't provide support for > Darwin based systems at all. Maybe worth asking at the GNU/Darwin project? This is not entirely true. Many "Linux" audio developers actively support OSX as well. This list is a good way to reach quite a few of them. However, as Tim suggests, answers to questions about Darwin hardware support for a specific USB device are unlikely to receive good answers here. -- joq From cave.dnb at tiscali.fr Sun Nov 12 14:26:39 2006 From: cave.dnb at tiscali.fr (Nigel Henry) Date: Sun Nov 12 14:27:19 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] problems starting Breakage (the drum sequencer) In-Reply-To: <45575800.8040207@woh.rr.com> References: <200611111930.52180.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> <200611121638.59033.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> <45575800.8040207@woh.rr.com> Message-ID: <200611122026.39583.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> On Sunday 12 November 2006 18:21, Dave Phillips wrote: > Nigel Henry wrote: > >Any further thoughts. > > Closer, closer he creeps... ;) > > Alas, I'm away from the home machine, we'll have to wait until tomorrow > to get it all straight. However, IIRC I took these steps before starting > Breakage: > > Install ChucK with default installation path (I assumed it's the > /usr/local tree). > Install Sun JDK 1.5, symlink to /usr/local/java > Install Breakage to /home/dlphilp/Breakage > Link /usr/local/bin/chuck to /home/dlphilp/Breakage/chuck > Enter /home/dlphilp/Breakage and run '/usr/local/java/bin/java -jar > Breakage.jar' > > I'll have more details re: versions tomorrow. > > Best, > > dp Hi Dave. Now that's interesting. I set things up as per your last post, and also had Qjackctl, and jackd started. Ran the command you said while CD'd to the Breakage directory, but Zilch. Left it running for a while, and have just shutdown Jack. got a big audible bunch of drum sounds, with a lot of output on the CLI, and wonder of all wonders, Breakage has opened it's GUI. It's playing one of the demo's but I can't hear it. Alsamixer settings are ok. I think I'll make uninstall chuck, and remake it using linux-jack as the option rather than linux-alsa, although having got some drum sounds just prior to the GUI opening with chuck setup to use Alsa, perhaps this isn't necessary. Also, at the moment, when the sequencer is running, it's using close on 100% CPU, and that's on a 1.3GHZ machine with 1GB RAM. Anyway I can see what it looks like now, as in your Linux Journal article, and ion the Breakage site. Getting somewhere. Graphics, but no sound on a drum sequencer is a bit of a downer, but moving forward all the same. Nigel. From tech at glastonburymusic.org.uk Sun Nov 12 15:13:34 2006 From: tech at glastonburymusic.org.uk (tim hall) Date: Sun Nov 12 15:17:28 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Clicks/pops in recording In-Reply-To: References: <45565345.6000603@99b.org> <200611120952.48418.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> Message-ID: <200611122013.35017.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> On Sunday 12 November 2006 18:32, Jack O'Quin was like: > On 11/12/06, tim hall wrote: > > Try asking on an OSX / Darwin Audio mailing list. > > Unfortunately for you, the Linux Audio Users list doesn't provide support > > for Darwin based systems at all. Maybe worth asking at the GNU/Darwin > > project? > > This is not entirely true. ?Many "Linux" audio developers actively > support OSX as well. ?This list is a good way to reach quite a few of > them. I stand informed and corrected. ;) -- cheers, tim hall http://glastonburymusic.org.uk/tim We are the people We've been waiting for. From capocasa at gmx.net Sun Nov 12 15:29:49 2006 From: capocasa at gmx.net (Carlo Capocasa) Date: Sun Nov 12 15:30:16 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: The famous "Jack Hum" (Can't record and desparate) In-Reply-To: <200611110152.05922.dominic.sacre@gmx.de> References: <4553E8C3.1010008@hawaii.rr.com> <200611110152.05922.dominic.sacre@gmx.de> Message-ID: > A while ago I had a very similar problem, on an Athlon XP desktop machine. > Whenever I ran jack at low latency, there was a high pitched noise coming > from somewhere inside the case. I was unable to pinpoint where exactly it > came from, but I'm pretty sure it originated somewhere on the mainboard, > maybe the CPU or the PCI cards. > But it didn't just come from the case, it was also audible on headphones, > on both my PCI sound cards! This is EXACTLY the problem I faced, and EXACTLY the response I had to it. Where the hell is that faint hum coming from? What was especially confusing is that it was audible both without headphones, very slightly, and with headphones, amplified. > At 256 frames/second, the noise was barely audible... At 128 it was quite > easily noticable, and at 64 it became downright annoying. At 32 or 16 > frames/second it was even worse... This is exactly the behavior I experienced. Very slight at higher latencies; however, I tried it at my friend's club and over the high-powered amps it is still a clear annoyance, not to mention not being able to sing and run effects over it at low latency. > But the most intriguing part of the whole story: Not only did the noise > get louder at a lower latency, it also seemed to precisely double its > frequency when running at halve the number of frames. I even tried to > measure the frequency of the noise. As far as I remember, when running > jack for instance at 44100Hz, periodsize 32, the noise was at exactly > 44100/32 = 1378Hz! That is absolutely fascinating. I WILL investigate this; if it coincides, we have a VERY strong case that this is the same problem. > Anyway, this whole issue went away after I disabled athcool (a utility to > reduce heat and power consumption on Athlon CPUs) while running jack. But > still all of this remains a mystery to me... What would be the corresponding utility for a Pentium 4 mobile (used before centrinos, slightly modified for notebook assemblage but still a full Pentium 4) be? How could I completely de-activate power management and open the case and put some ice cubes in? (IE manage power myself, with a room fan, or liquid cooling, or whatever...) Carlo From capocasa at gmx.net Sun Nov 12 15:35:00 2006 From: capocasa at gmx.net (Carlo Capocasa) Date: Sun Nov 12 15:35:22 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: The famous "Jack Hum" (Can't record and desparate) In-Reply-To: <4554D0FA.4040709@poeticstudios.com> References: <4553E8C3.1010008@hawaii.rr.com> <4554D0FA.4040709@poeticstudios.com> Message-ID: > I think it could be the cpu fan. If you've an AMD with Cool 'n Quiet (or > something similar) the fan adjust its speed according to the cpu usage. > Have you tried to experiment with the pc chassis opened? Thanks for caring, Cesare. It's a notebook, but I'll just do it anyway. I already did a little while back to put some thermal paste on the CPU when I was having the Dell Heatwaves a little while back. I also found a CPU cooling management tool for dell books a while bac (i8k), but that won't wrestle thermal control out of the Dell Bios' evil hands. It will only argue (IE Bios will turn fans on, a millisecond later the tool will turn it off, etc.) I'll probably also look into the Open Source bios project to see if I can flash my notebook bios with something new, possibly custom-developed. I'm so desperate to get a working solution out of my old book I'll do just about ANYTHING. Carlo From dfro at umich.edu Sun Nov 12 15:58:25 2006 From: dfro at umich.edu (David Froseth) Date: Sun Nov 12 15:58:51 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Cannot get qjackctl, jackd, alsa working. In-Reply-To: <4556FBD9.8040402@rncbc.org> References: <454CEE44.6040601@umich.edu> <454DAB4A.5040907@boosthardware.com> <45552472.90108@umich.edu> <4555CBB0.6020700@rncbc.org> <45561575.80400@umich.edu> <45561BF7.3030508@rncbc.org> <4556AD4A.8090506@umich.edu> <4556FBD9.8040402@rncbc.org> Message-ID: <45578AF1.2060703@umich.edu> Rui, I do not know what an "audio" group is. Is that a file permissions group? An explanation in newbiese would be greatly appreciated. Dave Rui Nuno Capela wrote: > David Froseth wrote: > >>Rui, >> I went through the UbuntuStudioPreparation steps when I first set up >>my system. I asked for help on the Ubuntu Studio forum and nobody would >>reply. My limits.conf file contains the lines: >> >>@audio - rtprio 99 >>@audio - memlock 250000 >>@audio - nice -10 >> >>I have no idea what this stuff means but it is there. >> >>And Hartmut, I have a Pentium D 930 Dual-core Processor. I don't think >>the ubuntumusique-repo kernel will work with this. >> >>Any more thoughts on what I should do? >> > > > Is your username part of the "audio" group as I implied? From rlrevell at joe-job.com Sun Nov 12 19:28:46 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Sun Nov 12 19:29:35 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: The famous "Jack Hum" (Can't record and desparate) In-Reply-To: References: <4553E8C3.1010008@hawaii.rr.com> <200611110152.05922.dominic.sacre@gmx.de> Message-ID: <1163377726.30649.44.camel@mindpipe> On Sun, 2006-11-12 at 21:29 +0100, Carlo Capocasa wrote: > > But the most intriguing part of the whole story: Not only did the noise > > get louder at a lower latency, it also seemed to precisely double its > > frequency when running at halve the number of frames. I even tried to > > measure the frequency of the noise. As far as I remember, when running > > jack for instance at 44100Hz, periodsize 32, the noise was at exactly > > 44100/32 = 1378Hz! > > That is absolutely fascinating. I WILL investigate this; if it > coincides, we have a VERY strong case that this is the same problem. Really sounds like you have a singing capacitor. IOW your problem is cheap hardware. If this is the case, you won't be able to fix it. Lee From annabellesgarden at yahoo.de Sun Nov 12 21:01:48 2006 From: annabellesgarden at yahoo.de (Karsten Wiese) Date: Sun Nov 12 21:01:58 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: The famous "Jack Hum" (Can't record and desparate) In-Reply-To: <1163377726.30649.44.camel@mindpipe> References: <1163377726.30649.44.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <200611130301.48984.annabellesgarden@yahoo.de> Am Montag, 13. November 2006 01:28 schrieb Lee Revell: > On Sun, 2006-11-12 at 21:29 +0100, Carlo Capocasa wrote: > > > But the most intriguing part of the whole story: Not only did the noise > > > get louder at a lower latency, it also seemed to precisely double its > > > frequency when running at halve the number of frames. I even tried to > > > measure the frequency of the noise. As far as I remember, when running > > > jack for instance at 44100Hz, periodsize 32, the noise was at exactly > > > 44100/32 = 1378Hz! > > > > That is absolutely fascinating. I WILL investigate this; if it > > coincides, we have a VERY strong case that this is the same problem. > > Really sounds like you have a singing capacitor. IOW your problem is > cheap hardware. If this is the case, you won't be able to fix it. > Guess Lee is right. Does noise vanish when laptop is running on battery? Erm, and what exactly is that laptop called?, so I can avoid to buy one of those ;-) Karsten From nickmurtagh at gmail.com Sun Nov 12 21:09:14 2006 From: nickmurtagh at gmail.com (Nick Murtagh) Date: Sun Nov 12 21:10:31 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] HDSP + CardBus + Multiface Message-ID: <9768a1c60611121809v76c978cah8ffa9133dc222151@mail.gmail.com> Hi! I'm unable to play audio through my hdsp cardbus + multiface setup. I have a Dell Latitude D420 running Ubuntu Edgy. I have booted with noapic and I am able to load the firmware and run hdspmixer. I can play audio through the SPDIF inputs and I can monitor the audio on headphones attached to the line out. I have the following .asoundrc: pcm.dsp0 { type plug slave.pcm "hw:1,0" } CPU0 CPU1 0: 177555 0 XT-PIC timer 1: 3035 0 XT-PIC i8042 2: 0 0 XT-PIC cascade 5: 0 0 XT-PIC uhci_hcd:usb4 7: 21234 0 XT-PIC uhci_hcd:usb3, ohci1394, ipw3945 8: 3 0 XT-PIC rtc 9: 197833 0 XT-PIC acpi, uhci_hcd:usb1, ehci_hcd:usb5 10: 621 0 XT-PIC uhci_hcd:usb2, sdhci:slot0, HDA Intel 11: 1 0 XT-PIC yenta, i915@pci:0000:00:02.0, hdsp 12: 15623 0 XT-PIC i8042 14: 7633 0 XT-PIC ide0 NMI: 0 0 LOC: 177311 177310 ERR: 0 MIS: 0 pcm.hdsp { type hw card 1 } ctl.hdsp { type hw card 1 } pcm.hdsp_analog { type plug ttable.0.0 1 ttable.1.1 1 ttable.2.2 1 ttable.3.3 1 ttable.4.4 1 ttable.5.5 1 ttable.6.6 1 ttable.7.7 1 slave.pcm hdsp } I tried to play a wav file through the system like this: nickm@D420:~$ aplay -D hdsp_analog /usr/share/sounds/startup.wav Playing WAVE '/usr/share/sounds/startup.wav' : Signed 16 bit Little Endian, Rate 44100 Hz, Stereo At this point hdspmixer shows all channels at maximum volume with the OVR lights on. No sound is played. The aplay command never returns. If I remove the CardBus card and reinsert it hdspmixer returns to normal, but sometimes the mouse pointer hangs erratically when I do this, but the keyboard still works. If I try to start jackd, it seems to succeed initially, but then gets killed by the watchdog: 02:07:14.241 Patchbay deactivated. 02:07:14.263 Statistics reset. 02:07:14.322 MIDI connection graph change. 02:07:14.475 MIDI connection change. 02:07:16.695 Startup script... 02:07:16.696 artsshell -q terminate sh: artsshell: not found 02:07:16.905 Startup script terminated with exit status=32512. 02:07:16.905 JACK is starting... 02:07:16.905 jackd -R -t2000 -dalsa -dhw:1,0 -r48000 -p512 -n2 02:07:16.932 JACK was started with PID=5695 (0x163f). jackd 0.101.1 Copyright 2001-2005 Paul Davis and others. jackd comes with ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY This is free software, and you are welcome to redistribute it under certain conditions; see the file COPYING for details JACK compiled with System V SHM support. loading driver .. apparent rate = 48000 creating alsa driver ... hw:1,0|hw:1,0|512|2|48000|0|0|nomon|swmeter|-|32bit control device hw:1 configuring for 48000Hz, period = 512 frames, buffer = 2 periods nperiods = 2 for capture nperiods = 2 for playback 02:07:18.979 Server configuration saved to "/home/nickm/.jackdrc". 02:07:18.993 Statistics reset. 02:07:19.226 Client activated. 02:07:19.231 Audio connection change. 02:07:19.256 Audio connection graph change. jackd watchdog: timeout - killing jackd zombified - calling shutdown handler 02:07:22.412 Shutdown notification. 02:07:22.413 Client deactivated. 02:07:22.416 JACK was stopped successfully. cannot send request type 7 to server cannot read result for request type 7 from server (Broken pipe) cannot send request type 7 to server cannot read result for request type 7 from server (Broken pipe) Here's the output of lspci -vv (the hdsp is 03:00.0!): 00:00.0 Host bridge: Intel Corporation Mobile 945GM/PM/GMS/940GML and 945GT Express Memory Controller Hub (rev 03) Subsystem: Dell Unknown device 01d6 Control: I/O- Mem+ BusMaster+ SpecCycle- MemWINV- VGASnoop- ParErr- Stepping- SERR- FastB2B- Status: Cap+ 66MHz- UDF- FastB2B+ ParErr- DEVSEL=fast >TAbort- SERR- TAbort- SERR- TAbort- SERR- TAbort- SERR- TAbort- SERR- TAbort- Reset- FastB2B- Capabilities: [40] Express Root Port (Slot+) IRQ 0 Device: Supported: MaxPayload 128 bytes, PhantFunc 0, ExtTag- Device: Latency L0s unlimited, L1 unlimited Device: Errors: Correctable- Non-Fatal- Fatal- Unsupported- Device: RlxdOrd- ExtTag- PhantFunc- AuxPwr- NoSnoop- Device: MaxPayload 128 bytes, MaxReadReq 128 bytes Link: Supported Speed 2.5Gb/s, Width x1, ASPM L0s L1, Port 1 Link: Latency L0s <1us, L1 <4us Link: ASPM Disabled RCB 64 bytes CommClk- ExtSynch- Link: Speed 2.5Gb/s, Width x1 Slot: AtnBtn- PwrCtrl- MRL- AtnInd- PwrInd- HotPlug+ Surpise+ Slot: Number 2, PowerLimit 6.500000 Slot: Enabled AtnBtn- PwrFlt- MRL- PresDet+ CmdCplt- HPIrq- Slot: AttnInd Unknown, PwrInd Unknown, Power- Root: Correctable- Non-Fatal- Fatal- PME- Capabilities: [80] Message Signalled Interrupts: 64bit- Queue=0/0 Enable+ Address: fee00000 Data: 4041 Capabilities: [90] #0d [0000] Capabilities: [a0] Power Management version 2 Flags: PMEClk- DSI- D1- D2- AuxCurrent=0mA PME(D0+,D1-,D2-,D3hot+,D3cold+) Status: D0 PME-Enable- DSel=0 DScale=0 PME- Capabilities: [100] Virtual Channel Capabilities: [180] Unknown (5) 00:1c.1 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation 82801G (ICH7 Family) PCI Express Port 2 (rev 01) (prog-if 00 [Normal decode]) Control: I/O+ Mem+ BusMaster+ SpecCycle- MemWINV- VGASnoop- ParErr- Stepping- SERR+ FastB2B- Status: Cap+ 66MHz- UDF- FastB2B- ParErr- DEVSEL=fast >TAbort- SERR- TAbort- Reset- FastB2B- Capabilities: [40] Express Root Port (Slot+) IRQ 0 Device: Supported: MaxPayload 128 bytes, PhantFunc 0, ExtTag- Device: Latency L0s unlimited, L1 unlimited Device: Errors: Correctable- Non-Fatal- Fatal- Unsupported- Device: RlxdOrd- ExtTag- PhantFunc- AuxPwr- NoSnoop- Device: MaxPayload 128 bytes, MaxReadReq 128 bytes Link: Supported Speed 2.5Gb/s, Width x1, ASPM L0s L1, Port 2 Link: Latency L0s <256ns, L1 <4us Link: ASPM L1 Enabled RCB 64 bytes CommClk+ ExtSynch- Link: Speed 2.5Gb/s, Width x1 Slot: AtnBtn- PwrCtrl- MRL- AtnInd- PwrInd- HotPlug+ Surpise+ Slot: Number 3, PowerLimit 6.500000 Slot: Enabled AtnBtn- PwrFlt- MRL- PresDet+ CmdCplt- HPIrq- Slot: AttnInd Unknown, PwrInd Unknown, Power- Root: Correctable- Non-Fatal- Fatal- PME- Capabilities: [80] Message Signalled Interrupts: 64bit- Queue=0/0 Enable+ Address: fee00000 Data: 4049 Capabilities: [90] #0d [0000] Capabilities: [a0] Power Management version 2 Flags: PMEClk- DSI- D1- D2- AuxCurrent=0mA PME(D0+,D1-,D2-,D3hot+,D3cold+) Status: D0 PME-Enable- DSel=0 DScale=0 PME- Capabilities: [100] Virtual Channel Capabilities: [180] Unknown (5) 00:1c.2 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation 82801G (ICH7 Family) PCI Express Port 3 (rev 01) (prog-if 00 [Normal decode]) Control: I/O+ Mem+ BusMaster+ SpecCycle- MemWINV- VGASnoop- ParErr- Stepping- SERR- FastB2B- Status: Cap+ 66MHz- UDF- FastB2B- ParErr- DEVSEL=fast >TAbort- SERR- TAbort- Reset- FastB2B- Capabilities: [40] Express Root Port (Slot+) IRQ 0 Device: Supported: MaxPayload 128 bytes, PhantFunc 0, ExtTag- Device: Latency L0s unlimited, L1 unlimited Device: Errors: Correctable- Non-Fatal- Fatal- Unsupported- Device: RlxdOrd- ExtTag- PhantFunc- AuxPwr- NoSnoop- Device: MaxPayload 128 bytes, MaxReadReq 128 bytes Link: Supported Speed 2.5Gb/s, Width x1, ASPM L0s L1, Port 3 Link: Latency L0s <256ns, L1 <4us Link: ASPM L1 Enabled RCB 64 bytes Disabled CommClk+ ExtSynch- Link: Speed 2.5Gb/s, Width x1 Slot: AtnBtn- PwrCtrl- MRL- AtnInd- PwrInd- HotPlug+ Surpise+ Slot: Number 4, PowerLimit 6.500000 Slot: Enabled AtnBtn- PwrFlt- MRL- PresDet+ CmdCplt- HPIrq- Slot: AttnInd Unknown, PwrInd Unknown, Power- Root: Correctable- Non-Fatal- Fatal- PME- Capabilities: [80] Message Signalled Interrupts: 64bit- Queue=0/0 Enable+ Address: fee00000 Data: 4051 Capabilities: [90] #0d [0000] Capabilities: [a0] Power Management version 2 Flags: PMEClk- DSI- D1- D2- AuxCurrent=0mA PME(D0+,D1-,D2-,D3hot+,D3cold+) Status: D0 PME-Enable- DSel=0 DScale=0 PME- Capabilities: [100] Virtual Channel Capabilities: [180] Unknown (5) 00:1d.0 USB Controller: Intel Corporation 82801G (ICH7 Family) USB UHCI #1 (rev 01) (prog-if 00 [UHCI]) Subsystem: Dell Unknown device 01d6 Control: I/O+ Mem- BusMaster+ SpecCycle- MemWINV- VGASnoop- ParErr- Stepping- SERR- FastB2B- Status: Cap- 66MHz- UDF- FastB2B+ ParErr- DEVSEL=medium >TAbort- SERR- TAbort- SERR- TAbort- SERR- TAbort- SERR- TAbort- SERR- TAbort- SERR- TAbort- Reset- FastB2B- Capabilities: [50] #0d [0000] 00:1f.0 ISA bridge: Intel Corporation 82801GBM (ICH7-M) LPC Interface Bridge (rev 01) Subsystem: Dell Unknown device 01d6 Control: I/O+ Mem+ BusMaster+ SpecCycle- MemWINV- VGASnoop- ParErr- Stepping- SERR+ FastB2B- Status: Cap+ 66MHz- UDF- FastB2B- ParErr- DEVSEL=medium >TAbort- SERR- TAbort- SERR- Region 1: I/O ports at Region 2: I/O ports at Region 3: I/O ports at Region 4: I/O ports at bfa0 [size=16] 00:1f.3 SMBus: Intel Corporation 82801G (ICH7 Family) SMBus Controller (rev 01) Subsystem: Dell Unknown device 01d6 Control: I/O+ Mem- BusMaster- SpecCycle- MemWINV- VGASnoop- ParErr- Stepping- SERR+ FastB2B- Status: Cap- 66MHz- UDF- FastB2B+ ParErr- DEVSEL=medium >TAbort- SERR- TAbort- SERR- Reset- 16bInt- PostWrite+ 16-bit legacy interface ports at 0001 02:01.1 FireWire (IEEE 1394): Ricoh Co Ltd R5C552 IEEE 1394 Controller (rev 09) (prog-if 10 [OHCI]) Subsystem: Dell Unknown device 01d6 Control: I/O- Mem+ BusMaster+ SpecCycle- MemWINV- VGASnoop- ParErr- Stepping- SERR+ FastB2B- Status: Cap+ 66MHz- UDF- FastB2B- ParErr- DEVSEL=medium >TAbort- SERR- TAbort- SERR- TAbort- SERR- References: <1163377726.30649.44.camel@mindpipe> <200611130301.48984.annabellesgarden@yahoo.de> Message-ID: <20061113022248.GA7691@slinkp.com> On Mon, Nov 13, 2006 at 03:01:48AM +0100, Karsten Wiese wrote: > Am Montag, 13. November 2006 01:28 schrieb Lee Revell: > > On Sun, 2006-11-12 at 21:29 +0100, Carlo Capocasa wrote: > > > > But the most intriguing part of the whole story: Not only did the noise > > > > get louder at a lower latency, it also seemed to precisely double its > > > > frequency when running at halve the number of frames. I even tried to > > > > measure the frequency of the noise. As far as I remember, when running > > > > jack for instance at 44100Hz, periodsize 32, the noise was at exactly > > > > 44100/32 = 1378Hz! > > > > > > That is absolutely fascinating. I WILL investigate this; if it > > > coincides, we have a VERY strong case that this is the same problem. > > > > Really sounds like you have a singing capacitor. IOW your problem is > > cheap hardware. If this is the case, you won't be able to fix it. > > > Guess Lee is right. > Does noise vanish when laptop is running on battery? Oooh yeah, I didn't notice you guys were talking about a laptop. Try unplugging the power supply. I found with all three laptops I've had (all Dells) that the power supply makes a lot of really horrible noise that leaks into all my audio gear. Only solution I've found is to use a 3-prong-to-2-prong power adapter and leave the grounding tab unconnected to anything. Dunno how safe that is :-\ -- Paul Winkler http://www.slinkp.com From paul at linuxaudiosystems.com Sun Nov 12 21:30:43 2006 From: paul at linuxaudiosystems.com (Paul Davis) Date: Sun Nov 12 21:32:28 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] HDSP + CardBus + Multiface In-Reply-To: <9768a1c60611121809v76c978cah8ffa9133dc222151@mail.gmail.com> References: <9768a1c60611121809v76c978cah8ffa9133dc222151@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1163385043.2846.139.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Mon, 2006-11-13 at 02:09 +0000, Nick Murtagh wrote: > Hi! > > I'm unable to play audio through my hdsp cardbus + multiface setup. > > I have a Dell Latitude D420 running Ubuntu Edgy. I have booted with > noapic and I am able to load the firmware and run hdspmixer. I can > play audio through the SPDIF inputs and I can monitor the audio on > headphones attached to the line out. no immediate insights, but do stop messing around with .asoundrc while debugging this. just use aplay -D plughw:1 , which should multiplex the sound across all channels. also, although it works better than it used to, do not remove the card while the machine stays up. let us know if anything changes. From gnome at hawaii.rr.com Sun Nov 12 21:31:30 2006 From: gnome at hawaii.rr.com (david) Date: Sun Nov 12 21:33:01 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: The famous "Jack Hum" (Can't record and desparate) In-Reply-To: <20061113022248.GA7691@slinkp.com> References: <1163377726.30649.44.camel@mindpipe> <200611130301.48984.annabellesgarden@yahoo.de> <20061113022248.GA7691@slinkp.com> Message-ID: <4557D902.3090004@hawaii.rr.com> Paul Winkler wrote: >> Does noise vanish when laptop is running on battery? > > Oooh yeah, I didn't notice you guys were talking about a laptop. > Try unplugging the power supply. > I found with all three laptops I've had (all Dells) I don't trust Dell hardware. I spent 11 years working on a help desk for a large local corporation. When they switched from IBM hardware to Dell hardware, our hardware trouble call counts TRIPLED. I can't find any such noise on my Toshiba laptop. -- David gnome@hawaii.rr.com authenticity, honesty, community From annabellesgarden at yahoo.de Sun Nov 12 21:36:44 2006 From: annabellesgarden at yahoo.de (Karsten Wiese) Date: Sun Nov 12 21:36:51 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] good capture and playback quality laptop sought! Message-ID: <200611130336.44769.annabellesgarden@yahoo.de> Hi I#m looking for a good audio laptop. Good means no capture nor playback noise and low latency under load. I've got a 1990ish guitar amp with effect loop plugs here, which I'd like to hook up to a linuxed laptop to apply effects. I want to use the laptop's built in soundcard. Candidates? Thanks Karsten From gnome at hawaii.rr.com Sun Nov 12 22:13:31 2006 From: gnome at hawaii.rr.com (david) Date: Sun Nov 12 22:13:43 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] good capture and playback quality laptop sought! In-Reply-To: <200611130336.44769.annabellesgarden@yahoo.de> References: <200611130336.44769.annabellesgarden@yahoo.de> Message-ID: <4557E2DB.4010108@hawaii.rr.com> Karsten Wiese wrote: > I#m looking for a good audio laptop. > Good means no capture nor playback noise and low latency under load. > > I've got a 1990ish guitar amp with effect loop plugs here, > which I'd like to hook up to a linuxed laptop to apply effects. > I want to use the laptop's built in soundcard. > > Candidates? I don't have any specifics, but I'd look at Toshiba and Sony. My church uses a couple of Sony laptops for multimedia during services, and their sound quality seems very clean, even when run through the big sound system we use. My Toshiba seems fine, too, but I've only run it into a small 50-watt RMS home stereo amp, so might not be hearing everything that comes out. -- David gnome@hawaii.rr.com authenticity, honesty, community From dfro at umich.edu Mon Nov 13 00:02:25 2006 From: dfro at umich.edu (David Froseth) Date: Mon Nov 13 00:03:16 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Cannot get qjackctl, jackd, alsa working. In-Reply-To: <45578AF1.2060703@umich.edu> References: <454CEE44.6040601@umich.edu> <454DAB4A.5040907@boosthardware.com> <45552472.90108@umich.edu> <4555CBB0.6020700@rncbc.org> <45561575.80400@umich.edu> <45561BF7.3030508@rncbc.org> <4556AD4A.8090506@umich.edu> <4556FBD9.8040402@rncbc.org> <45578AF1.2060703@umich.edu> Message-ID: <4557FC61.2060509@umich.edu> Rui, I looked in /etc/group and found this in the list of groups: audio:x:29:dfro Is this what you are talking about? Thanks, Dave David Froseth wrote: > Rui, > I do not know what an "audio" group is. Is that a file permissions > group? An explanation in newbiese would be greatly appreciated. > > Dave > > Rui Nuno Capela wrote: > >> David Froseth wrote: >> >>> Rui, >>> I went through the UbuntuStudioPreparation steps when I first set up >>> my system. I asked for help on the Ubuntu Studio forum and nobody would >>> reply. My limits.conf file contains the lines: >>> >>> @audio - rtprio 99 >>> @audio - memlock 250000 >>> @audio - nice -10 >>> >>> I have no idea what this stuff means but it is there. >>> >>> And Hartmut, I have a Pentium D 930 Dual-core Processor. I don't think >>> the ubuntumusique-repo kernel will work with this. >>> >>> Any more thoughts on what I should do? >>> >> >> >> Is your username part of the "audio" group as I implied? > > > > From wagi at monom.org Mon Nov 13 01:47:25 2006 From: wagi at monom.org (Daniel Wagner) Date: Mon Nov 13 01:47:38 2006 Subject: [Freebob-devel] [linux-audio-user] Re: Re: Help me set the volume for Freebob, please! In-Reply-To: References: <4548F6F4.4090200@monom.org> <45492B3C.7090507@monom.org> <454E4CDB.2050005@monom.org> <454E4D54.2010201@monom.org> <454FA490.2070008@monom.org> <45539C5E.1050303@monom.org> <4555C384.1040100@monom.org> Message-ID: <455814FD.5030100@monom.org> > Well, this just might be me. I will have $2500 eventually and I'm > definitely crazy enough to spend it on a device I don't know will work. I think there is an Ensemble at bridgeco. I'll try to lay my hands on that device. Then you don't have to spend the money for a test :) cheers, daniel From rncbc at rncbc.org Mon Nov 13 04:10:51 2006 From: rncbc at rncbc.org (Rui Nuno Capela) Date: Mon Nov 13 04:11:51 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Cannot get qjackctl, jackd, alsa working. In-Reply-To: <4557FC61.2060509@umich.edu> References: <454CEE44.6040601@umich.edu> <454DAB4A.5040907@boosthardware.com> <45552472.90108@umich.edu> <4555CBB0.6020700@rncbc.org> <45561575.80400@umich.edu> <45561BF7.3030508@rncbc.org> <4556AD4A.8090506@umich.edu> <4556FBD9.8040402@rncbc.org> <45578AF1.2060703@umich.edu> <4557FC61.2060509@umich.edu> Message-ID: <24298.213.58.131.130.1163409051.squirrel@www.rncbc.org> On Mon, November 13, 2006 05:02, David Froseth wrote: > Rui, > I looked in /etc/group and found this in the list of groups: > > > audio:x:29:dfro > > > Is this what you are talking about? > Yes, exactly. I guess "dfro" is your username, which is the one you use to run the jack applications, is it? If yes, my last question doesn't apply anymore :) lets get back to initial and give us a complete qjackctl messages output, since you press the start button. The jackd command line is the most precious. Bye. -- rncbc aka Rui Nuno Capela rncbc@rncbc.org From cladisch at fastmail.net Mon Nov 13 04:15:57 2006 From: cladisch at fastmail.net (Clemens Ladisch) Date: Mon Nov 13 04:16:06 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Midi Woes In-Reply-To: References: <1162807318.27635.275093661@webmail.messagingengine.com> <1162927009.30574.275240877@webmail.messagingengine.com> <1163186087.10256.275524626@webmail.messagingengine.com> Message-ID: <1163409357.24348.275662158@webmail.messagingengine.com> Chip VanDan wrote: > When I try to load snd-mpu401 I get : > FATAL: Error inserting snd_mpu401: No such device Apparently, your BIOS does have ACPI, but does not have ACPI PnP entries for the MPU-401 port. Try to load it with modprobe snd-mpu401 pnp=0 port=0x330 irq=5 The port address us almost always 330; when not, there will be error messages in the system log when you try to send something. The interrupt number may be wrong (i.e., MIDI input will not work), so you should try several values (5 and 10 are the most likely). What mainboard are you using? HTH Clemens From cladisch at fastmail.net Mon Nov 13 04:21:20 2006 From: cladisch at fastmail.net (Clemens Ladisch) Date: Mon Nov 13 04:21:26 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Midi Woes In-Reply-To: <3a5df3c20611110915h5f745376mb9e04164846df5ee@mail.gmail.com> References: <1162807318.27635.275093661@webmail.messagingengine.com> <1162927009.30574.275240877@webmail.messagingengine.com> <3a5df3c20611110915h5f745376mb9e04164846df5ee@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1163409680.24874.275662647@webmail.messagingengine.com> Giuseppe Zompatori wrote: > modprobe mpu_port pnp=1 "pnp=1" is the default. To manually specify port and interrupt values, you have to use "pnp=0". > The problem in my case is it doesn't work... > Onboard MPU401 has never worked too well for me in the latest kernels, > tested on a an asus nforce2 based MB and on an ASRock "el-cheapo" > SIS7012 based MB, both of them using the intel8x0 sound module. The intel8x0 modules has nothing to do with MIDI. > It doesn't work in that if I try playing a midi file the kernel > complains on syslog about weird erros. "weird" doesn't tell me much, but it's probably because of a wrong port address. > The midi port worked for some random amount of time untill it > completely locked my box. This were problems with the RTC used for MIDI playback timing (not related to any particular driver). Please try the latest ALSA drivers. HTH Clemens From zettberlin at linuxuse.de Mon Nov 13 05:19:34 2006 From: zettberlin at linuxuse.de (Hartmut Noack) Date: Mon Nov 13 05:20:46 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Cannot get qjackctl, jackd, alsa working. In-Reply-To: <4556AD4A.8090506@umich.edu> References: <454CEE44.6040601@umich.edu> <454DAB4A.5040907@boosthardware.com> <45552472.90108@umich.edu> <4555CBB0.6020700@rncbc.org> <45561575.80400@umich.edu> <45561BF7.3030508@rncbc.org> <4556AD4A.8090506@umich.edu> Message-ID: <455846B6.6050408@linuxuse.de> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 David Froseth schrieb: > And Hartmut, I have a Pentium D 930 Dual-core Processor. I don't think > the ubuntumusique-repo kernel will work with this. > I think it would, yet it would of course not get the best out of your processor so build a kernel from source may be th better way to get the thing working. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.3 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFFWEa21Aecwva1SWMRAplSAJ4yy3f12uZ1O7lmLZ9VSlJ5mUQ8NgCfW3s9 /iOhdT6Qzdvc1dycTyYU6Eg= =W5Je -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From siliconjoe at gmail.com Mon Nov 13 05:42:58 2006 From: siliconjoe at gmail.com (Giuseppe Zompatori) Date: Mon Nov 13 05:43:05 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Midi Woes In-Reply-To: <1163409680.24874.275662647@webmail.messagingengine.com> References: <1162807318.27635.275093661@webmail.messagingengine.com> <1162927009.30574.275240877@webmail.messagingengine.com> <3a5df3c20611110915h5f745376mb9e04164846df5ee@mail.gmail.com> <1163409680.24874.275662647@webmail.messagingengine.com> Message-ID: <3a5df3c20611130242q46fc9868nabf005ec092bfe40@mail.gmail.com> 2006/11/13, Clemens Ladisch : > > The problem in my case is it doesn't work... > > Onboard MPU401 has never worked too well for me in the latest kernels, > > tested on a an asus nforce2 based MB and on an ASRock "el-cheapo" > > SIS7012 based MB, both of them using the intel8x0 sound module. > > The intel8x0 modules has nothing to do with MIDI. It had to do with MIDI until a few kernel revisions ago. The intel8x0 had an "mpu_port" parameter which would activate the midi port (yes from within the codec module). In fact the mpu401 module wasn't even being loaded when the module was working this way, if I remember correctly. That has been changed recently, mpu401 management has been moved from the intel8x0 module into the mpu401* ones and the mpu_port has been deprecated. You can hunt ALSA changelogs for the intel8x0 module if you don't believe me ;) > > > It doesn't work in that if I try playing a midi file the kernel > > complains on syslog about weird erros. > > "weird" doesn't tell me much, > but it's probably because of a wrong port address. I didn't have a syslog from the box handy when I replied that's why I haven't included it, I'll do it now. Whenever I try to access the MPU port (like when playing a midi file) I am getting this: cmd: 0xff failed at 0x300 (status = 0xff, data = 0xff) My MPU port is set at IRQ 0x300 DMA 5, loading the module with or without pnp as in: modprobe -v snd_mpu401 pnp=1 (Yes I know pnp=1 it's the default I am just being paranoid here) or: modprobe -v snd_mpu401 pnp=0 port=0x300 irq=5 leads to this syslog: [17179872.004000] pnp: Device 00:09 activated. [17179872.004000] pnp: Device 00:09 disabled. I just noticed this now, it seems like it's trying to initialize the MPU port but silently fails? I tried setting my DMA and IRQ to different combos and have passed those parameters to the mpu module accordingly, but that didn't help either. There wasn't any address sharing going on for any of the combination I tried, although that shouldn't cause any problem in principle. I am starting to think that this particular motherboard audio codec is either buggy, or not well supported by ALSA as I also have issues with the HW mixer... things are swapped around, and there is no "ac97_quirk" module parameter for remapping things that works. > > > The midi port worked for some random amount of time untill it > > completely locked my box. > > This were problems with the RTC used for MIDI playback timing > (not related to any particular driver). I see. > Please try the latest ALSA drivers. Latest as in latest released or CVS-checkout? The latest kernel/ALSA drivers I tried this on was 2.6.18(-rt something) and I had the same problems. I am currently using 2.6.17-10 Cheers, -gzed From v2 at iki.fi Mon Nov 13 06:40:13 2006 From: v2 at iki.fi (Sampo Savolainen) Date: Mon Nov 13 06:40:33 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Clicks/pops in recording Message-ID: <1163418013.4558599dcb7fa@www3.helsinki.fi> Quoting Chris Abbott : > Just recently I recorded a live piano concerto. All of this was done > using an ART Pre-amp, a Soundphone(I believe is the brand) CD burner, > M-audio Omnistudio USB, and an iBook G4. Now, the pre-amp had a digital > out that went to the CD burner. The 1/4" outputs of the pre-amp went to > the M-audio which was connected to the ibook. Well, the burned CDs > turned at great(note-I had the digital sample rate set to 48Khz). I had > my Omnistudio set at 96Khz. Every so often in the recoding, you hear a > bit of pop, which to me seems like some other system resource got > priority. The only thing that occurred while recording was the display > going to sleep. The airport was off, and Ardour, X11, and JackPilot were > the only programs running. I'm curious as to what could have caused > this, how to fix it. The next time I do a recording with it, I will > probably have to drop the sample rate to 48Khz. Did jack report xruns during the time you were recording? Sampo From v2 at iki.fi Mon Nov 13 06:45:00 2006 From: v2 at iki.fi (Sampo Savolainen) Date: Mon Nov 13 06:50:21 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: The famous "Jack Hum" (Can't record and desparate) Message-ID: <1163418300.45585abc5d7d0@www3.helsinki.fi> Quoting david : > Paul Winkler wrote: > > I don't trust Dell hardware. I spent 11 years working on a help desk for > > a large local corporation. When they switched from IBM hardware to Dell > hardware, our hardware trouble call counts TRIPLED. I've found people to have very differing opinions about dell. My Dell D820 laptop is an engineering masterpiece (altough it doesn't look as cool as those *books). > I can't find any such noise on my Toshiba laptop. No such noise here either.. Sampo From pieterp at joow.be Mon Nov 13 07:56:00 2006 From: pieterp at joow.be (Pieter Palmers) Date: Mon Nov 13 07:56:22 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: The famous "Jack Hum" (Can't record and desparate) In-Reply-To: <1163418300.45585abc5d7d0@www3.helsinki.fi> References: <1163418300.45585abc5d7d0@www3.helsinki.fi> Message-ID: <45586B60.8060601@joow.be> Sampo Savolainen wrote: >Quoting david : > > > >>Paul Winkler wrote: >> >>I don't trust Dell hardware. I spent 11 years working on a help desk for >> >>a large local corporation. When they switched from IBM hardware to Dell >>hardware, our hardware trouble call counts TRIPLED. >> >> > >I've found people to have very differing opinions about dell. My Dell D820 >laptop is an engineering masterpiece (altough it doesn't look as cool as >those *books). > > My experience with Dell is that you get what you pay for. The Precision workstations I use at work are great machines. Especially compared to the Dimension's I worked with. But a Precision is twice as expensive. I guess the same goes for the Latitude vs the Inspiron laptops. Pieter From cave.dnb at tiscali.fr Mon Nov 13 08:06:03 2006 From: cave.dnb at tiscali.fr (Nigel Henry) Date: Mon Nov 13 08:06:27 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] problems starting Breakage (the drum sequencer) In-Reply-To: <200611122026.39583.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> References: <200611111930.52180.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> <45575800.8040207@woh.rr.com> <200611122026.39583.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> Message-ID: <200611131406.04362.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> On Sunday 12 November 2006 20:26, Nigel Henry wrote: > On Sunday 12 November 2006 18:21, Dave Phillips wrote: > > Nigel Henry wrote: > > >Any further thoughts. > > > > Closer, closer he creeps... ;) > > > > Alas, I'm away from the home machine, we'll have to wait until tomorrow > > to get it all straight. However, IIRC I took these steps before starting > > Breakage: > > > > Install ChucK with default installation path (I assumed it's the > > /usr/local tree). > > Install Sun JDK 1.5, symlink to /usr/local/java > > Install Breakage to /home/dlphilp/Breakage > > Link /usr/local/bin/chuck to /home/dlphilp/Breakage/chuck > > Enter /home/dlphilp/Breakage and run '/usr/local/java/bin/java -jar > > Breakage.jar' > > > > I'll have more details re: versions tomorrow. > > > > Best, > > > > dp > > Hi Dave. Now that's interesting. I set things up as per your last post, and > also had Qjackctl, and jackd started. Ran the command you said while CD'd > to the Breakage directory, but Zilch. Left it running for a while, and have > just shutdown Jack. got a big audible bunch of drum sounds, with a lot of > output on the CLI, and wonder of all wonders, Breakage has opened it's GUI. > It's playing one of the demo's but I can't hear it. Alsamixer settings are > ok. I think I'll make uninstall chuck, and remake it using linux-jack as > the option rather than linux-alsa, although having got some drum sounds > just prior to the GUI opening with chuck setup to use Alsa, perhaps this > isn't necessary. Also, at the moment, when the sequencer is running, it's > using close on 100% CPU, and that's on a 1.3GHZ machine with 1GB RAM. > > Anyway I can see what it looks like now, as in your Linux Journal article, > and ion the Breakage site. > > Getting somewhere. Graphics, but no sound on a drum sequencer is a bit of a > downer, but moving forward all the same. > > Nigel. Update: Hi Dave. There's nothing wrong with the sound. I must have been a bit tired and not thinking straight. I thought it was supposed to start with playing a demo, which is wasn't. Of course to get some sound out, it does help to load some samples. Doh! Now to try and put some sounds together. Thanks for all your help in getting it running. Nigel. From paul at linuxaudiosystems.com Mon Nov 13 09:33:26 2006 From: paul at linuxaudiosystems.com (Paul Davis) Date: Mon Nov 13 09:34:04 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Cannot get qjackctl, jackd, alsa working. In-Reply-To: <455846B6.6050408@linuxuse.de> References: <454CEE44.6040601@umich.edu> <454DAB4A.5040907@boosthardware.com> <45552472.90108@umich.edu> <4555CBB0.6020700@rncbc.org> <45561575.80400@umich.edu> <45561BF7.3030508@rncbc.org> <4556AD4A.8090506@umich.edu> <455846B6.6050408@linuxuse.de> Message-ID: <1163428406.2846.162.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Mon, 2006-11-13 at 11:19 +0100, Hartmut Noack wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > David Froseth schrieb: > > > And Hartmut, I have a Pentium D 930 Dual-core Processor. I don't think > > the ubuntumusique-repo kernel will work with this. > > > > I think it would, yet it would of course not get the best out of your > processor so build a kernel from source may be th better way to get the > thing working. david is a newcomer to linux, isn't confident about what "groups" are, and you're suggesting to him that he should build his kernel from source? david, have you tried running jack from the command line, without qjackctl? From rj at spamatica.se Mon Nov 13 09:43:35 2006 From: rj at spamatica.se (rj@spamatica.se) Date: Mon Nov 13 09:43:51 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Cannot get qjackctl, jackd, alsa working. In-Reply-To: <1163428406.2846.162.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <454CEE44.6040601@umich.edu> <454DAB4A.5040907@boosthardware.com> <45552472.90108@umich.edu> <4555CBB0.6020700@rncbc.org> <45561575.80400@umich.edu> <45561BF7.3030508@rncbc.org> <4556AD4A.8090506@umich.edu> <455846B6.6050408@linuxuse.de> <1163428406.2846.162.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <45588497.7060006@spamatica.se> > david is a newcomer to linux, isn't confident about what "groups" are, > and you're suggesting to him that he should build his kernel from > source? > Actually I found that barring it's daunting appearance, building a new kernel is a quite well documented and trivial procedure. Often it's just a question of following a step by step guide for the distribution in question. Granted if it goes wrong you better know what you are doing to get the boat afloat again... Robert/ From dubphil at free.fr Mon Nov 13 09:49:19 2006 From: dubphil at free.fr (Dubphil) Date: Mon Nov 13 09:49:39 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Cannot get qjackctl, jackd, alsa working. In-Reply-To: <45588497.7060006@spamatica.se> References: <454CEE44.6040601@umich.edu> <454DAB4A.5040907@boosthardware.com> <45552472.90108@umich.edu> <4555CBB0.6020700@rncbc.org> <45561575.80400@umich.edu> <45561BF7.3030508@rncbc.org> <4556AD4A.8090506@umich.edu> <455846B6.6050408@linuxuse.de> <1163428406.2846.162.camel@localhost.localdomain> <45588497.7060006@spamatica.se> Message-ID: <3097.80.124.137.204.1163429359.squirrel@webmail.migratis.net> > >> david is a newcomer to linux, isn't confident about what "groups" are, >> and you're suggesting to him that he should build his kernel from >> source? >> > > > Actually I found that barring it's daunting appearance, building a new > kernel is a quite well documented and trivial procedure. Often it's just > a question of following a step by step guide for the distribution in > question. Granted if it goes wrong you better know what you are doing to > get the boat afloat again... > > and straigthforward suggesting to the linux newcommer to use the command line is quite a joke ;) Regards Philippe From jamesmichaelmcdermott at gmail.com Mon Nov 13 10:10:57 2006 From: jamesmichaelmcdermott at gmail.com (James McDermott) Date: Mon Nov 13 10:11:06 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: The famous "Jack Hum" (Can't record and desparate) In-Reply-To: <45586B60.8060601@joow.be> References: <1163418300.45585abc5d7d0@www3.helsinki.fi> <45586B60.8060601@joow.be> Message-ID: > >>I don't trust Dell hardware. > >I've found people to have very differing opinions about dell. > My experience with Dell is that you get what you pay for. Yes, from talking to someone who works on the assembly line in Dell here in Limerick, they seem to have totally different manufacturing standards, tolerances, etc, for the high-end laptops and for the cheap ones. From capocasa at gmx.net Mon Nov 13 11:04:07 2006 From: capocasa at gmx.net (Carlo Capocasa) Date: Mon Nov 13 11:05:25 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: The famous "Jack Hum" (Can't record and desparate) In-Reply-To: References: <1163418300.45585abc5d7d0@www3.helsinki.fi> <45586B60.8060601@joow.be> Message-ID: > Yes, from talking to someone who works on the assembly line in Dell > here in Limerick, they seem to have totally different manufacturing > standards, tolerances, etc, for the high-end laptops and for the cheap > ones. I must own an inspironingly cheap one. Say so there is absolutely no software way to get rid of the singing capacitor? That's pretty much what I assume it to be. Singing capacitor caused by the interrupts at the end of each buffering cycle. I only have a vague idea what that means, but maybe you kernel people can help. Please? Carlo From rlrevell at joe-job.com Mon Nov 13 11:08:46 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Mon Nov 13 11:09:39 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: The famous "Jack Hum" (Can't record and desparate) In-Reply-To: References: <1163418300.45585abc5d7d0@www3.helsinki.fi> <45586B60.8060601@joow.be> Message-ID: <1163434127.30649.78.camel@mindpipe> On Mon, 2006-11-13 at 17:04 +0100, Carlo Capocasa wrote: > > Yes, from talking to someone who works on the assembly line in Dell > > here in Limerick, they seem to have totally different manufacturing > > standards, tolerances, etc, for the high-end laptops and for the cheap > > ones. > > I must own an inspironingly cheap one. Say so there is absolutely no > software way to get rid of the singing capacitor? That's pretty much > what I assume it to be. Singing capacitor caused by the interrupts at > the end of each buffering cycle. I only have a vague idea what that > means, but maybe you kernel people can help. Please? No, there's no possible software fix for this hardware problem. Lee From capocasa at gmx.net Mon Nov 13 11:11:22 2006 From: capocasa at gmx.net (Carlo Capocasa) Date: Mon Nov 13 11:13:22 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Wanted: Singing Capacitor Fix (was: blaming Jack) Message-ID: As always when blaming someone it turns out this has absolutely nothing to do with the supposed culprit. Apparently, my lower-end Dell notebook has a singing capacitor, which gets induced by the jack daemon calling an interrupt, as indicated by the frequency of the noise problem correlating to the jack buffer size. Interestingly, the noise is not audible when the system is under some load. My current approach is to find a load generator that will place a little load on the system to make the hum go away while still leaving some room for softsynths. The next best approach is replacing the darn thing. Of course, a kernel based fix would be, how should I say, shmoozy. Carlo From capocasa at gmx.net Mon Nov 13 11:13:42 2006 From: capocasa at gmx.net (Carlo Capocasa) Date: Mon Nov 13 11:17:02 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: The famous "Jack Hum" (Can't record and desparate) In-Reply-To: <20061113022248.GA7691@slinkp.com> References: <1163377726.30649.44.camel@mindpipe> <200611130301.48984.annabellesgarden@yahoo.de> <20061113022248.GA7691@slinkp.com> Message-ID: > tab unconnected to anything. Dunno how safe that is :-\ I can think of worse ways to die. Actually I already did that, and it did remove the ground loop. Apparently I have a singing capacitor as well. Carlo From nickmurtagh at gmail.com Mon Nov 13 12:02:17 2006 From: nickmurtagh at gmail.com (Nick Murtagh) Date: Mon Nov 13 12:02:28 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] HDSP + CardBus + Multiface In-Reply-To: <1163385043.2846.139.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <9768a1c60611121809v76c978cah8ffa9133dc222151@mail.gmail.com> <1163385043.2846.139.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <9768a1c60611130902p66cfce6epe276a05b66e887e8@mail.gmail.com> On 11/13/06, Paul Davis wrote: > no immediate insights, but do stop messing around with .asoundrc while > debugging this. just use aplay -D plughw:1 , which should multiplex the > sound across all channels. also, although it works better than it used > to, do not remove the card while the machine stays up. let us know if > anything changes. Hi Paul, I got rid of .asoundrc and used plughw:1, same result, hdspmixer lit up like a christmas tree, no sound, and aplay never returns. Here's a screenshot of hdspmixer: http://nickm.net/hdspmixer.png I'll try a few different kernels and try disabling SMP... Nick From annabellesgarden at yahoo.de Mon Nov 13 12:07:20 2006 From: annabellesgarden at yahoo.de (Karsten Wiese) Date: Mon Nov 13 12:07:32 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Wanted: Singing Capacitor Fix (was: blaming Jack) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200611131807.20897.annabellesgarden@yahoo.de> Am Montag, 13. November 2006 17:11 schrieb Carlo Capocasa: > As always when blaming someone it turns out this has absolutely nothing > to do with the supposed culprit. Apparently, my lower-end Dell notebook > has a singing capacitor, which gets induced by the jack daemon calling > an interrupt, as indicated by the frequency of the noise problem > correlating to the jack buffer size. Interestingly, the noise is not > audible when the system is under some load. > > My current approach is to find a load generator that will place a little > load on the system to make the hum go away while still leaving some room > for softsynths. A simple load generator with low scheduling priority: echo 'for ((;1;)); do i=0; done;'|nice -n 19 sh Run it in a shell. Stop it with Ctrl+C. No need for kernel fix here ;-) Karsten From cladisch at fastmail.net Mon Nov 13 12:09:07 2006 From: cladisch at fastmail.net (Clemens Ladisch) Date: Mon Nov 13 12:09:13 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Midi Woes In-Reply-To: <3a5df3c20611130242q46fc9868nabf005ec092bfe40@mail.gmail.com> References: <1162807318.27635.275093661@webmail.messagingengine.com> <1162927009.30574.275240877@webmail.messagingengine.com> <3a5df3c20611110915h5f745376mb9e04164846df5ee@mail.gmail.com> <1163409680.24874.275662647@webmail.messagingengine.com> <3a5df3c20611130242q46fc9868nabf005ec092bfe40@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1163437747.10508.275696849@webmail.messagingengine.com> Giuseppe Zompatori wrote: > 2006/11/13, Clemens Ladisch : > > The intel8x0 modules has nothing to do with MIDI. > > It had to do with MIDI until a few kernel revisions ago. > The intel8x0 had an "mpu_port" parameter which would activate the midi > port (yes from within the codec module). In fact the mpu401 module > wasn't even being loaded when the module was working this way, if I > remember correctly. It loaded the snd-mpu401-lib module, just as the snd-mpu401 module does the PnP stuff and then loads the -lib module to do the actual work. > That has been changed recently, mpu401 management has been moved from > the intel8x0 module into the mpu401* ones and the mpu_port has been deprecated. > You can hunt ALSA changelogs for the intel8x0 module if you don't believe me ;) I do believe you - it was I who made the change. :-) The reason this was removed from intel8x0 was that it didn't actually work, i.e., it would work only if the port address had the same value that was already set by the BIOS. > cmd: 0xff failed at 0x300 (status = 0xff, data = 0xff) ???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? This means there is no MPU-401 device at this address (either the port address is wrong, or the device is disabled). > My MPU port is set at IRQ 0x300 DMA 5, Is that how your BIOS labels these numbers? :) > modprobe -v snd_mpu401 pnp=0 port=0x300 irq=5 Oops, the module actually supports eight devices, and PnP is enabled by default for all of them. Use: modprobe snd-mpu401 pnp=0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0 port=0x300 irq=5 (Unless you have configured the kernel to use dynamic device numbers for ALSA devices, then it supports 32 devices ...) > [17179872.004000] pnp: Device 00:09 activated. > [17179872.004000] pnp: Device 00:09 disabled. > > I just noticed this now, it seems like it's trying to initialize the > MPU port but silently fails? There should be some message in case of an error. > I am starting to think that this particular motherboard audio codec is > either buggy, or not well supported by ALSA The MIDI port is implemented in a different chip. > as I also have issues with the HW mixer... things are swapped around, > and there is no "ac97_quirk" module parameter for remapping things > that works. Which mixer controls are routed to which hardware outputs? What mainboard model is this? > > This were problems with the RTC used for MIDI playback timing > > (not related to any particular driver). > > Please try the latest ALSA drivers. > > Latest as in latest released or CVS-checkout? The latest release should work. The latest Hg checkout has a fix not in the release, but which shouldn't occur often. Regards, Clemens From pieterp at joow.be Mon Nov 13 12:14:35 2006 From: pieterp at joow.be (Pieter Palmers) Date: Mon Nov 13 12:14:45 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: The famous "Jack Hum" (Can't record and desparate) In-Reply-To: <1163434127.30649.78.camel@mindpipe> References: <1163418300.45585abc5d7d0@www3.helsinki.fi> <45586B60.8060601@joow.be> <1163434127.30649.78.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <4558A7FB.9030801@joow.be> Lee Revell wrote: >On Mon, 2006-11-13 at 17:04 +0100, Carlo Capocasa wrote: > > >>>Yes, from talking to someone who works on the assembly line in Dell >>>here in Limerick, they seem to have totally different manufacturing >>>standards, tolerances, etc, for the high-end laptops and for the cheap >>>ones. >>> >>> >>I must own an inspironingly cheap one. Say so there is absolutely no >>software way to get rid of the singing capacitor? That's pretty much >>what I assume it to be. Singing capacitor caused by the interrupts at >>the end of each buffering cycle. I only have a vague idea what that >>means, but maybe you kernel people can help. Please? >> >> > >No, there's no possible software fix for this hardware problem. > > If you are extremely lucky there might be... Capacitors will only sing when the current through changes rapidly, so if you can make sure your current consumption remains constant it might be better. Some things you can try: Disable all power management features and run on full power with lots of load. or Disable all power management features and fix your cpu speed to the lowest setting. There is a (very) small chance that this will help. Pieter From paul at linuxaudiosystems.com Mon Nov 13 12:18:08 2006 From: paul at linuxaudiosystems.com (Paul Davis) Date: Mon Nov 13 12:22:18 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] HDSP + CardBus + Multiface In-Reply-To: <9768a1c60611130902p66cfce6epe276a05b66e887e8@mail.gmail.com> References: <9768a1c60611121809v76c978cah8ffa9133dc222151@mail.gmail.com> <1163385043.2846.139.camel@localhost.localdomain> <9768a1c60611130902p66cfce6epe276a05b66e887e8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1163438288.2846.177.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Mon, 2006-11-13 at 17:02 +0000, Nick Murtagh wrote: > On 11/13/06, Paul Davis wrote: > > no immediate insights, but do stop messing around with .asoundrc while > > debugging this. just use aplay -D plughw:1 , which should multiplex the > > sound across all channels. also, although it works better than it used > > to, do not remove the card while the machine stays up. let us know if > > anything changes. > > Hi Paul, > > I got rid of .asoundrc and used plughw:1, same result, hdspmixer lit up like a > christmas tree, no sound, and aplay never returns. > > Here's a screenshot of hdspmixer: http://nickm.net/hdspmixer.png > > I'll try a few different kernels and try disabling SMP... you've probably got new firmware. the current ALSA drivers don't work with new firmware. you have two choices: a) downgrade to older firmware (requires access to a windows system) b) find someone who is serious about taking the files i have and updating the drivers. i am sufficiently upset by RME's attitude to Linux support for their devices that when combined with the fact that i have absolutely no time for driver work means that i can't do this myself. --p From fons.adriaensen at skynet.be Mon Nov 13 12:46:38 2006 From: fons.adriaensen at skynet.be (Fons Adriaensen) Date: Mon Nov 13 12:44:26 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: The famous "Jack Hum" (Can't record and desparate) In-Reply-To: <4558A7FB.9030801@joow.be> References: <1163418300.45585abc5d7d0@www3.helsinki.fi> <45586B60.8060601@joow.be> <1163434127.30649.78.camel@mindpipe> <4558A7FB.9030801@joow.be> Message-ID: <20061113174638.GB5907@linux-1.site> On Mon, Nov 13, 2006 at 06:14:35PM +0100, Pieter Palmers wrote: > Some things you can try: > Disable all power management features and run on full power with lots of > load. > or > Disable all power management features and fix your cpu speed to the > lowest setting. I'd be surprised if this would turn out to be singing capacitor. Every switched-mode voltage regulator needs a an inductor, and these are much more likely to 'sing'. Probably you have a badly designed or specified regulator that fails when the load is below a minimum value (a classic problem with SM regulators). To test this, load the power supply e.g. via the USB connectors (a simple USB powered keyboard light could be enough). If you can locate the component, and it turns out to be an inductor, applying a bit of epoxy glue on the winding will probably silence it. -- FA Lascia la spina, cogli la rosa. From nickmurtagh at gmail.com Mon Nov 13 12:44:44 2006 From: nickmurtagh at gmail.com (Nick Murtagh) Date: Mon Nov 13 12:45:06 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] HDSP + CardBus + Multiface In-Reply-To: <1163438288.2846.177.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <9768a1c60611121809v76c978cah8ffa9133dc222151@mail.gmail.com> <1163385043.2846.139.camel@localhost.localdomain> <9768a1c60611130902p66cfce6epe276a05b66e887e8@mail.gmail.com> <1163438288.2846.177.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <9768a1c60611130944s20dd21afg53a6f015941583aa@mail.gmail.com> On 11/13/06, Paul Davis wrote: > you've probably got new firmware. the current ALSA drivers don't work > with new firmware. you have two choices: > > a) downgrade to older firmware (requires access to a windows system) > b) find someone who is serious about taking the files i have and > updating the drivers. > > i am sufficiently upset by RME's attitude to Linux support for their > devices that when combined with the fact that i have absolutely no time > for driver work means that i can't do this myself. This is the firmware I have: nickm@D420:/usr/share/alsa/firmware/hdsploader$ md5sum * fb6da5a1dfcbf355cd7b423702c0b45d multiface_firmware.bin 0b400398a55579eb4f1a9d77c34851a1 multiface_firmware_rev11.bin This is the same firmware I have on my desktop PC, which does work using the PCI adapter. Unless you are saying that this firmware has problems specifically with the CardBus adapter? I'll see what I can find on the RME site, I do have access to Windows in work. Thanks Paul From dsbaikov at gmail.com Mon Nov 13 12:56:42 2006 From: dsbaikov at gmail.com (Dmitry Baikov) Date: Mon Nov 13 12:57:00 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] HDSP + CardBus + Multiface In-Reply-To: <1163438288.2846.177.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <9768a1c60611121809v76c978cah8ffa9133dc222151@mail.gmail.com> <1163385043.2846.139.camel@localhost.localdomain> <9768a1c60611130902p66cfce6epe276a05b66e887e8@mail.gmail.com> <1163438288.2846.177.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <70a871c80611130956j6677bd2h63fabfbdcd09236d@mail.gmail.com> On 11/13/06, Paul Davis wrote: > i am sufficiently upset by RME's attitude to Linux support for their > devices that when combined with the fact that i have absolutely no time > for driver work means that i can't do this myself. Given the recent progress of Freebob with MOTU devices, I feel user prefs may shift away from RME. Dmitry. From dsbaikov at gmail.com Mon Nov 13 13:00:10 2006 From: dsbaikov at gmail.com (Dmitry Baikov) Date: Mon Nov 13 13:00:22 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] HDSP + CardBus + Multiface In-Reply-To: <70a871c80611130956j6677bd2h63fabfbdcd09236d@mail.gmail.com> References: <9768a1c60611121809v76c978cah8ffa9133dc222151@mail.gmail.com> <1163385043.2846.139.camel@localhost.localdomain> <9768a1c60611130902p66cfce6epe276a05b66e887e8@mail.gmail.com> <1163438288.2846.177.camel@localhost.localdomain> <70a871c80611130956j6677bd2h63fabfbdcd09236d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <70a871c80611131000h159be2f3w431401969d2e65ef@mail.gmail.com> Forgot to write on topic :) Btw, I have fresh Multiface II and it works with cardbus well enough (with some minor issues with boot order and firmware loading). Dmitry. From dfro at umich.edu Mon Nov 13 14:44:36 2006 From: dfro at umich.edu (David Froseth) Date: Mon Nov 13 14:44:53 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Cannot get qjackctl, jackd, alsa working. In-Reply-To: <1163428406.2846.162.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <454CEE44.6040601@umich.edu> <454DAB4A.5040907@boosthardware.com> <45552472.90108@umich.edu> <4555CBB0.6020700@rncbc.org> <45561575.80400@umich.edu> <45561BF7.3030508@rncbc.org> <4556AD4A.8090506@umich.edu> <455846B6.6050408@linuxuse.de> <1163428406.2846.162.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <4558CB24.3080201@umich.edu> Guys, I am not a total newcomer to the command line. I have been using the CLI for about two years. I have been installing, compiling, and using *nix programs, which have been ported over to OSX's X11. I have had a linux box (which I build into a server case, so I can take it to gigs) for about a month. I have found that linux is very similar to OSX command line, so everything has carried over (and sftp'ed and scp'ed over) easily. I am a newcomer to linux audio, though. The cd player works and I can hear sound in the headphones from the motherboard soundcard. Ardour is compiled and installed, and many of the other sound programs are installed and launch fine, but I am snagged by the jack/qjackctl thing. You can suggest command line stuff. I am sure there are big holes in my understanding, but I don't think I will accidentally erase my hard drive. My current status with jack, qjackctl is as follows. If I run 'jackd' from the command line, I get: $ jackd -d alsa jackd 0.102.20 Copyright 2001-2005 Paul Davis and others. jackd comes with ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY This is free software, and you are welcome to redistribute it under certain conditions; see the file COPYING for details JACK compiled with System V SHM support. loading driver .. creating alsa driver ... hw:0|hw:0|1024|2|48000|0|0|nomon|swmeter|-|32bit control device hw:0 configuring for 48000Hz, period = 1024 frames, buffer = 2 periods ALSA: final selected sample format for capture: 32bit little-endian ALSA: use 2 periods for capture ALSA: final selected sample format for playback: 32bit little-endian ALSA: use 2 periods for playback It looks like jack is working. But when I next run 'qjackctl' from the command line, I get: $ qjackctl X Error: BadDevice, invalid or uninitialized input device 166 Major opcode: 144 Minor opcode: 3 Resource id: 0x0 Failed to open device X Error: BadDevice, invalid or uninitialized input device 166 Major opcode: 144 Minor opcode: 3 Resource id: 0x0 Failed to open device Warning: no locale found: /usr/share/locale/qjackctl_en_US.UTF-8.qm Also, the qjackctl GUI window launches and displays this message: jackd 0.102.20 Copyright 2001-2005 Paul Davis and others. jackd comes with ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY This is free software, and you are welcome to redistribute it under certain conditions; see the file COPYING for details JACK compiled with System V SHM support. `default' server already active 14:01:59.752 JACK was stopped with exit status=1. 14:01:59.945 Could not connect to JACK server as client. Please check the messages window for more info. 14:02:05.182 MIDI connection change. qjackctl cannot connect to jack server as client. (?) Thanks for the help! Dave Paul Davis wrote: > On Mon, 2006-11-13 at 11:19 +0100, Hartmut Noack wrote: > >>-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >>Hash: SHA1 >> >>David Froseth schrieb: >> >> >>>And Hartmut, I have a Pentium D 930 Dual-core Processor. I don't think >>>the ubuntumusique-repo kernel will work with this. >>> >> >>I think it would, yet it would of course not get the best out of your >>processor so build a kernel from source may be th better way to get the >>thing working. > > > david is a newcomer to linux, isn't confident about what "groups" are, > and you're suggesting to him that he should build his kernel from > source? > > david, have you tried running jack from the command line, without > qjackctl? > > > > > From rlrevell at joe-job.com Mon Nov 13 14:52:17 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Mon Nov 13 14:53:04 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Cannot get qjackctl, jackd, alsa working. In-Reply-To: <4558CB24.3080201@umich.edu> References: <454CEE44.6040601@umich.edu> <454DAB4A.5040907@boosthardware.com> <45552472.90108@umich.edu> <4555CBB0.6020700@rncbc.org> <45561575.80400@umich.edu> <45561BF7.3030508@rncbc.org> <4556AD4A.8090506@umich.edu> <455846B6.6050408@linuxuse.de> <1163428406.2846.162.camel@localhost.localdomain> <4558CB24.3080201@umich.edu> Message-ID: <1163447538.5313.34.camel@mindpipe> On Mon, 2006-11-13 at 14:44 -0500, David Froseth wrote: > My current status with jack, qjackctl is as follows. If I run > 'jackd' > from the command line, I get: What distro? How did you install JACK? Lee From gnome at hawaii.rr.com Mon Nov 13 14:54:45 2006 From: gnome at hawaii.rr.com (david) Date: Mon Nov 13 14:56:05 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: The famous "Jack Hum" (Can't record and desparate) In-Reply-To: References: <1163418300.45585abc5d7d0@www3.helsinki.fi> <45586B60.8060601@joow.be> Message-ID: <4558CD85.4020205@hawaii.rr.com> James McDermott wrote: >> >>I don't trust Dell hardware. > >> >I've found people to have very differing opinions about dell. > >> My experience with Dell is that you get what you pay for. > > Yes, from talking to someone who works on the assembly line in Dell > here in Limerick, they seem to have totally different manufacturing > standards, tolerances, etc, for the high-end laptops and for the cheap > ones. Well, my experience with Dells was desktops and laptops aimed at business. The employer I mentioned earlier, where switching to Dell hardware tripled our hardware troublecall rate, was primarily using desktops, not laptops. So I'm guessing that the hardware was not coming from the cheap end of the Dell spectrum. -- David gnome@hawaii.rr.com authenticity, honesty, community From paul at linuxaudiosystems.com Mon Nov 13 14:54:15 2006 From: paul at linuxaudiosystems.com (Paul Davis) Date: Mon Nov 13 15:04:51 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Cannot get qjackctl, jackd, alsa working. In-Reply-To: <4558CB24.3080201@umich.edu> References: <454CEE44.6040601@umich.edu> <454DAB4A.5040907@boosthardware.com> <45552472.90108@umich.edu> <4555CBB0.6020700@rncbc.org> <45561575.80400@umich.edu> <45561BF7.3030508@rncbc.org> <4556AD4A.8090506@umich.edu> <455846B6.6050408@linuxuse.de> <1163428406.2846.162.camel@localhost.localdomain> <4558CB24.3080201@umich.edu> Message-ID: <1163447655.2846.180.camel@localhost.localdomain> > > qjackctl cannot connect to jack server as client. (?) please tell us what the output of this command is: locate libjack From rncbc at rncbc.org Mon Nov 13 15:45:06 2006 From: rncbc at rncbc.org (Rui Nuno Capela) Date: Mon Nov 13 15:41:48 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Cannot get qjackctl, jackd, alsa working. In-Reply-To: <4558CB24.3080201@umich.edu> References: <454CEE44.6040601@umich.edu> <454DAB4A.5040907@boosthardware.com> <45552472.90108@umich.edu> <4555CBB0.6020700@rncbc.org> <45561575.80400@umich.edu> <45561BF7.3030508@rncbc.org> <4556AD4A.8090506@umich.edu> <455846B6.6050408@linuxuse.de> <1163428406.2846.162.camel@localhost.localdomain> <4558CB24.3080201@umich.edu> Message-ID: <4558D952.9040302@rncbc.org> David Froseth wrote: > > But when I next run 'qjackctl' from the command line, I get: > > $ qjackctl > X Error: BadDevice, invalid or uninitialized input device 166 > Major opcode: 144 > Minor opcode: 3 > Resource id: 0x0 > Failed to open device > X Error: BadDevice, invalid or uninitialized input device 166 > Major opcode: 144 > Minor opcode: 3 > Resource id: 0x0 > Failed to open device > Warning: no locale found: /usr/share/locale/qjackctl_en_US.UTF-8.qm > Please, ignore these messages, they're not related to your problem. In fact, with certain qt3/x11 installations these messages are just a nag. Don't bother with those ;) -- rncbc aka Rui Nuno Capela rncbc@rncbc.org From dfro at umich.edu Mon Nov 13 20:43:59 2006 From: dfro at umich.edu (David Froseth) Date: Mon Nov 13 20:44:15 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Cannot get qjackctl, jackd, alsa working. In-Reply-To: <1163447538.5313.34.camel@mindpipe> References: <454CEE44.6040601@umich.edu> <454DAB4A.5040907@boosthardware.com> <45552472.90108@umich.edu> <4555CBB0.6020700@rncbc.org> <45561575.80400@umich.edu> <45561BF7.3030508@rncbc.org> <4556AD4A.8090506@umich.edu> <455846B6.6050408@linuxuse.de> <1163428406.2846.162.camel@localhost.localdomain> <4558CB24.3080201@umich.edu> <1163447538.5313.34.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <45591F5F.3090402@umich.edu> Lee, I am running Ubuntu Edgy. I believe I compiled and installed JACK from source. I have version 'jackd 0.102.20'. Dave Lee Revell wrote: > On Mon, 2006-11-13 at 14:44 -0500, David Froseth wrote: > >>My current status with jack, qjackctl is as follows. If I run >>'jackd' >>from the command line, I get: > > > What distro? How did you install JACK? > > Lee > > > > From wagi at monom.org Tue Nov 14 02:04:00 2006 From: wagi at monom.org (Daniel Wagner) Date: Tue Nov 14 02:04:08 2006 Subject: [Freebob-devel] [linux-audio-user] Re: Re: Help me set the volume for Freebob, please! In-Reply-To: <455814FD.5030100@monom.org> References: <4548F6F4.4090200@monom.org> <45492B3C.7090507@monom.org> <454E4CDB.2050005@monom.org> <454E4D54.2010201@monom.org> <454FA490.2070008@monom.org> <45539C5E.1050303@monom.org> <4555C384.1040100@monom.org> <455814FD.5030100@monom.org> Message-ID: <45596A60.6060009@monom.org> Daniel Wagner wrote: >> Well, this just might be me. I will have $2500 eventually and I'm >> definitely crazy enough to spend it on a device I don't know will work. > > I think there is an Ensemble at bridgeco. I'll try to lay my hands on > that device. Then you don't have to spend the money for a test :) I have tested it against 1.0 and the head and both version can discover the device. I haven't tested the streaming but that will work, I just know :) So the basic functionality works. Of course there might be some features which do not work yet, but the basic stuff works. hope that helps, daniel [wagi@kreta tests]$ ./test-freebob discover 0 verbose level = 0 Using freebob library version: libfreebob 1.0.0 Warning (bebob_light/bebob_light_avdevice.cpp)[995] discoverStep10Plug: discoverStep10Plug: unknown stream format for channel (0) Warning (bebob_light/bebob_light_avdevice.cpp)[995] discoverStep10Plug: discoverStep10Plug: unknown stream format for channel (0) Warning (bebob_light/bebob_light_avdevice.cpp)[995] discoverStep10Plug: discoverStep10Plug: unknown stream format for channel (0) Warning (bebob_light/bebob_light_avdevice.cpp)[995] discoverStep10Plug: discoverStep10Plug: unknown stream format for channel (0) Warning (bebob_light/bebob_light_avdevice.cpp)[995] discoverStep10Plug: discoverStep10Plug: unknown stream format for channel (0) Warning (bebob_light/bebob_light_avdevice.cpp)[995] discoverStep10Plug: discoverStep10Plug: unknown stream format for channel (0) Warning (bebob_light/bebob_light_avdevice.cpp)[995] discoverStep10Plug: discoverStep10Plug: unknown stream format for channel (0) Warning (bebob_light/bebob_light_avdevice.cpp)[995] discoverStep10Plug: discoverStep10Plug: unknown stream format for channel (0) port = 0, devices_on_bus = 1 get info for device = 0, node = 1 Direction: 0 (capture) Connection Info =============== Number of connections: 1 Connection 0 ------------- [ 0] Id: 1 [ 0] Port: 0 [ 0] Node: 1 [ 0] Plug: 0 [ 0] Dimension: 18 [ 0] Samplerate: 44100 [ 0] IsoChannel: -1 [ 0] IsMaster: 0 [ 0] Number of stream infos: 18 StreamId Position Location Format Type DPort Name -------------------------------------------------- [ 0]:[ 0] 0x00 0x01 0x06 0x03 0x00 Analog 1 [ 0]:[ 1] 0x01 0x02 0x06 0x03 0x00 Analog 2 [ 0]:[ 2] 0x02 0x01 0x06 0x03 0x00 Analog 3 [ 0]:[ 3] 0x03 0x02 0x06 0x03 0x00 Analog 4 [ 0]:[ 4] 0x04 0x01 0x06 0x03 0x00 Analog 5 [ 0]:[ 5] 0x05 0x02 0x06 0x03 0x00 Analog 6 [ 0]:[ 6] 0x06 0x01 0x06 0x03 0x00 Analog 7 [ 0]:[ 7] 0x07 0x02 0x06 0x03 0x00 Analog 8 [ 0]:[ 8] 0x08 0x01 0x06 0x04 0x00 SPDIF L [ 0]:[ 9] 0x09 0x02 0x06 0x04 0x00 SPDIF R [ 0]:[10] 0x0a 0x01 0x06 0x05 0x00 Optical 1 [ 0]:[11] 0x0b 0x02 0x06 0x05 0x00 Optical 2 [ 0]:[12] 0x0c 0x03 0x06 0x05 0x00 Optical 3 [ 0]:[13] 0x0d 0x04 0x06 0x05 0x00 Optical 4 [ 0]:[14] 0x0e 0x05 0x06 0x05 0x00 Optical 5 [ 0]:[15] 0x0f 0x06 0x06 0x05 0x00 Optical 6 [ 0]:[16] 0x10 0x07 0x06 0x05 0x00 Optical 7 [ 0]:[17] 0x11 0x08 0x06 0x05 0x00 Optical 8 Direction: 1 (playback) Connection Info =============== Number of connections: 1 Connection 0 ------------- [ 0] Id: 1 [ 0] Port: 0 [ 0] Node: 1 [ 0] Plug: 0 [ 0] Dimension: 18 [ 0] Samplerate: 44100 [ 0] IsoChannel: -1 [ 0] IsMaster: 0 [ 0] Number of stream infos: 18 StreamId Position Location Format Type DPort Name -------------------------------------------------- [ 0]:[ 0] 0x00 0x01 0x06 0x03 0x00 Analog 1 [ 0]:[ 1] 0x01 0x02 0x06 0x03 0x00 Analog 2 [ 0]:[ 2] 0x02 0x01 0x06 0x03 0x00 Analog 3 [ 0]:[ 3] 0x03 0x02 0x06 0x03 0x00 Analog 4 [ 0]:[ 4] 0x04 0x01 0x06 0x03 0x00 Analog 5 [ 0]:[ 5] 0x05 0x02 0x06 0x03 0x00 Analog 6 [ 0]:[ 6] 0x06 0x01 0x06 0x03 0x00 Analog 7 [ 0]:[ 7] 0x07 0x02 0x06 0x03 0x00 Analog 8 [ 0]:[ 8] 0x08 0x01 0x06 0x04 0x00 SPDIF L [ 0]:[ 9] 0x09 0x02 0x06 0x04 0x00 SPDIF R [ 0]:[10] 0x0a 0x01 0x06 0x05 0x00 Optical 1 [ 0]:[11] 0x0b 0x02 0x06 0x05 0x00 Optical 2 [ 0]:[12] 0x0c 0x03 0x06 0x05 0x00 Optical 3 [ 0]:[13] 0x0d 0x04 0x06 0x05 0x00 Optical 4 [ 0]:[14] 0x0e 0x05 0x06 0x05 0x00 Optical 5 [ 0]:[15] 0x0f 0x06 0x06 0x05 0x00 Optical 6 [ 0]:[16] 0x10 0x07 0x06 0x05 0x00 Optical 7 [ 0]:[17] 0x11 0x08 0x06 0x05 0x00 Optical 8 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: ensemble_discovering.txt.bz2 Type: application/octet-stream Size: 1856 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://music.columbia.edu/pipermail/linux-audio-user/attachments/20061114/d20cf154/ensemble_discovering.txt.obj From rncbc at rncbc.org Tue Nov 14 03:50:17 2006 From: rncbc at rncbc.org (Rui Nuno Capela) Date: Tue Nov 14 03:51:13 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Cannot get qjackctl, jackd, alsa working. In-Reply-To: <45591F5F.3090402@umich.edu> References: <454CEE44.6040601@umich.edu> <454DAB4A.5040907@boosthardware.com> <45552472.90108@umich.edu> <4555CBB0.6020700@rncbc.org> <45561575.80400@umich.edu> <45561BF7.3030508@rncbc.org> <4556AD4A.8090506@umich.edu> <455846B6.6050408@linuxuse.de> <1163428406.2846.162.camel@localhost.localdomain> <4558CB24.3080201@umich.edu> <1163447538.5313.34.camel@mindpipe> <45591F5F.3090402@umich.edu> Message-ID: <23426.213.58.131.130.1163494217.squirrel@www.rncbc.org> On Tue, November 14, 2006 01:43, David Froseth wrote: > Lee, > I am running Ubuntu Edgy. I believe I compiled and installed JACK from > source. I have version 'jackd 0.102.20'. > Please, the real question is whether you also have installed jackd from a ubuntu/debian package. Don't know how you do it on ubuntu, you gotta look into some package manager that I don't grok. If its apt-get I can tell that you can ask something like: apt-cache search jack -- to search for jack applications apt-get install jack -- to install jack, or check if already installed apt-get remove jack -- to uninstall jack assuming "jack" is the right name. Cheers. -- rncbc aka Rui Nuno Capela rncbc@rncbc.org From k.s.matheussen at notam02.no Tue Nov 14 04:42:53 2006 From: k.s.matheussen at notam02.no (Kjetil Svalastog Matheussen) Date: Tue Nov 14 04:43:11 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Wanted: Singing Capacitor Fix (was: blaming Jack) In-Reply-To: <20061113170742.807B040B82AA@music.columbia.edu> References: <20061113170742.807B040B82AA@music.columbia.edu> Message-ID: Karsten Wiese: > > Am Montag, 13. November 2006 17:11 schrieb Carlo Capocasa: > > As always when blaming someone it turns out this has absolutely nothing > > to do with the supposed culprit. Apparently, my lower-end Dell notebook > > has a singing capacitor, which gets induced by the jack daemon calling > > an interrupt, as indicated by the frequency of the noise problem > > correlating to the jack buffer size. Interestingly, the noise is not > > audible when the system is under some load. > > > > My current approach is to find a load generator that will place a little > > load on the system to make the hum go away while still leaving some room > > for softsynths. > > A simple load generator with low scheduling priority: > > echo 'for ((;1;)); do i=0; done;'|nice -n 19 sh > > Run it in a shell. > Stop it with Ctrl+C. > No need for kernel fix here ;-) > Funny, I use something similar to heaten my bedroom. :-) From siliconjoe at gmail.com Tue Nov 14 10:06:49 2006 From: siliconjoe at gmail.com (Giuseppe Zompatori) Date: Tue Nov 14 10:13:06 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Midi Woes In-Reply-To: <1163437747.10508.275696849@webmail.messagingengine.com> References: <1162807318.27635.275093661@webmail.messagingengine.com> <1162927009.30574.275240877@webmail.messagingengine.com> <3a5df3c20611110915h5f745376mb9e04164846df5ee@mail.gmail.com> <1163409680.24874.275662647@webmail.messagingengine.com> <3a5df3c20611130242q46fc9868nabf005ec092bfe40@mail.gmail.com> <1163437747.10508.275696849@webmail.messagingengine.com> Message-ID: <3a5df3c20611140706s3143796flcc608d399963faa1@mail.gmail.com> 2006/11/13, Clemens Ladisch : > > cmd: 0xff failed at 0x300 (status = 0xff, data = 0xff) > > ???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? > This means there is no MPU-401 device at this address (either the port > address is wrong, or the device is disabled). > > > My MPU port is set at IRQ 0x300 DMA 5, > Is that how your BIOS labels these numbers? :) Sorry I made a mess out of this, the parameters for my AmiBIOS setup should have read "Port 0x300" and "IRQ 5". > > > modprobe -v snd_mpu401 pnp=0 port=0x300 irq=5 > > Oops, the module actually supports eight devices, and PnP is enabled > by default for all of them. Use: > > modprobe snd-mpu401 pnp=0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0 port=0x300 irq=5 > (Unless you have configured the kernel to use dynamic device numbers for > ALSA devices, then it supports 32 devices ...) I tried this and unfortunately that doesn't change things for me (even when passing 32 zeroes to pnp)... I am still getting this: [17180009.552000] pnp: Device 00:09 activated. [17180009.552000] pnp: Device 00:09 disabled. and [17180088.212000] cmd: 0xff failed at 0x300 (status = 0xff, data = 0xff) when trying to access the port. I have also tried passing the "enable" option to the module, no luck. Besides why shouldn't it work with pnp? ACPI is working fine for everything else. I tested a new configuration with different values by rebooting and setting the MPU IOPort to 0x330 and IRQ to 11 on the BIOS. When the system came up again I "rmmoded" and modprobed again snd-mpu401 without passing any option to it and it got the right values from the bios: # cat /proc/ioports | grep MPU 0330-0331 : MPU401 UART <- that's corret I set this to 330 int the BIOS setup cat /proc/interrupts | grep MPU 11: 1 IO-APIC-edge MPU401 UART <- that's also correct IRQ set to 11 in the BIOS I still got the same syslog entries, it didn't work. I went the trouble of upgrading the BIOS(version 1.90 to 2.60) with an msdos bootcd but that didn't help either with pnp on or off. The way AmiBios works you can't have the midi port disabled and still set it's I/O and IRQ addresses so *I am sure* it's not due to the port being disabled. I also have the gameport enabled at IOPort 0x200 but that shouldn't be a problem AFAIK, I tried disabling it but that didn't help either. Here's "an ascii screenshot" of my Bios setup (and possible values you can have): OnBoard MidiPort 300 (this can be "300", "330", or "disabled") Midi IRQ Select 5 ("5", "10", "11" or grayed out if midiport above is "disabled") OnBoard Game Port 200 ("200" or "disabled") Again those values cannot be set if those peripherals aren't enabled as they would be grayed out. Unless the HW on this MB is faulty the mpu module doesn't IMHO. > > > [17179872.004000] pnp: Device 00:09 activated. > > [17179872.004000] pnp: Device 00:09 disabled. > > > > I just noticed this now, it seems like it's trying to initialize the > > MPU port but silently fails? > > There should be some message in case of an error. > > > I am starting to think that this particular motherboard audio codec is > > either buggy, or not well supported by ALSA > > The MIDI port is implemented in a different chip. > > > as I also have issues with the HW mixer... things are swapped around, > > and there is no "ac97_quirk" module parameter for remapping things > > that works. > > Which mixer controls are routed to which hardware outputs? Hard to describe the mess that's going on with this (not saying it's your fault of course), master volume control seems to not be working but for lowering line-in monitoring levels, changing line-in monitoring does nothing. Previous kernel versions (2.6.13 or 14 if I memory serves me well) would fail to recognize this MB's HW mixer and completely fail to present it to the system, so I couldn't launch any mixer app but sound worked fine, I just could not set my levels... > What mainboard model is this? This is an old AthlonXP 2800+ system, the MB is an ASRock K7S41 (SIS7012 sound) http://www.asrock.com/product/K7S41.htm Thanks for looking into this. Regards, -Giuseppe From cladisch at fastmail.net Tue Nov 14 10:34:13 2006 From: cladisch at fastmail.net (Clemens Ladisch) Date: Tue Nov 14 10:34:18 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Midi Woes In-Reply-To: <3a5df3c20611140706s3143796flcc608d399963faa1@mail.gmail.com> References: <1162807318.27635.275093661@webmail.messagingengine.com> <1162927009.30574.275240877@webmail.messagingengine.com> <3a5df3c20611110915h5f745376mb9e04164846df5ee@mail.gmail.com> <1163409680.24874.275662647@webmail.messagingengine.com> <3a5df3c20611130242q46fc9868nabf005ec092bfe40@mail.gmail.com> <1163437747.10508.275696849@webmail.messagingengine.com> <3a5df3c20611140706s3143796flcc608d399963faa1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1163518453.11216.275792029@webmail.messagingengine.com> Giuseppe Zompatori wrote: > cmd: 0xff failed at 0x300 (status = 0xff, data = 0xff) > > when trying to access the port. > > # cat /proc/ioports | grep MPU > 0330-0331 : MPU401 UART <- that's corret I set this to 330 int the BIOS setup > cat /proc/interrupts | grep MPU > 11: 1 IO-APIC-edge MPU401 UART <- that's also correct IRQ set to 11 in the BIOS Then it's probably not a problem with the port address. In what previous kernel version did this work? Do you know which ALSA version this was? > > > as I also have issues with the HW mixer... things are swapped around, > > > and there is no "ac97_quirk" module parameter for remapping things > > > that works. > > > > Which mixer controls are routed to which hardware outputs? > > Hard to describe the mess that's going on with this (not saying it's > your fault of course), master volume control seems to not be working > but for lowering line-in monitoring levels, changing line-in > monitoring does nothing. A newer driver version might fix things. Which codec are you using? (see /proc/asound/cards) Regards, Clemens From nickmurtagh at gmail.com Tue Nov 14 11:06:03 2006 From: nickmurtagh at gmail.com (Nick Murtagh) Date: Tue Nov 14 11:08:14 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] HDSP + CardBus + Multiface In-Reply-To: <70a871c80611131000h159be2f3w431401969d2e65ef@mail.gmail.com> References: <9768a1c60611121809v76c978cah8ffa9133dc222151@mail.gmail.com> <1163385043.2846.139.camel@localhost.localdomain> <9768a1c60611130902p66cfce6epe276a05b66e887e8@mail.gmail.com> <1163438288.2846.177.camel@localhost.localdomain> <70a871c80611130956j6677bd2h63fabfbdcd09236d@mail.gmail.com> <70a871c80611131000h159be2f3w431401969d2e65ef@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <9768a1c60611140806k58125fb0t1263cad5db043574@mail.gmail.com> On 11/13/06, Dmitry Baikov wrote: > Btw, I have fresh Multiface II and it works with cardbus well enough > (with some minor issues with boot order and firmware loading). Lucky you :( I tried 2.6.18.2 and it makes no difference. Haven't gotten around to messing with firmware, I don't really know what I'm supposed to be doing - I've got an old multiface and a new cardbus adapter... At this point I'm ready to give up on RME. What's a good alsa-compatible replacement? I need something with 8 analog inputs, and SPDIF would be nice too. Already have a desk so don't need pre-amps. Looking at a Terratec Phase 88 Firewire + Freebob. Pretty cheap too considering the cost of a multiface + adapter. Anyone using this sort of setup? Nick From dsbaikov at gmail.com Tue Nov 14 11:42:11 2006 From: dsbaikov at gmail.com (Dmitry Baikov) Date: Tue Nov 14 11:44:05 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] HDSP + CardBus + Multiface In-Reply-To: <9768a1c60611121809v76c978cah8ffa9133dc222151@mail.gmail.com> References: <9768a1c60611121809v76c978cah8ffa9133dc222151@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <70a871c80611140842t2ff8543amb0bb053ca81ce360@mail.gmail.com> On 11/13/06, Nick Murtagh wrote: > At this point hdspmixer shows all channels at maximum volume with the > OVR lights on. No sound is played. The aplay command never returns. I had it once, and when it happened, syslog also has a message - "Could not provide power to carbus slot". Reinsertion of the card did nothing - all channels at maximum as well. It was curied by disconnecting everything, cardbus from laptop, multiface from cardbus, power from multiface and connecting again. Also, seems linux does not always like cardbus insertion/removal. Try to switch everything off, insert cardbus (connected to multiface), power on multiface, and then power on laptop. This is the only sequence that works always. > If I remove the CardBus card and reinsert it hdspmixer returns to normal, > but sometimes the mouse pointer hangs erratically when I do this, but the > keyboard still works. > If I try to start jackd, it seems to succeed initially, but then gets killed by > the watchdog: Seems to be some strange things with interrupt handling. Don't give up yet. Hope that helps. Dmitry. From capocasa at gmx.net Tue Nov 14 12:05:57 2006 From: capocasa at gmx.net (Carlo Capocasa) Date: Tue Nov 14 12:07:22 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Wanted: Singing Capacitor Fix (was: blaming Jack) References: <200611131807.20897.annabellesgarden@yahoo.de> Message-ID: > echo 'for ((;1;)); do i=0; done;'|nice -n 19 sh Shazam, dude shazam. The noise is gone. Together with the ground loop, this thing has been causing me headaches for FOUR YEARS. And now it's gone. Thank you. Carlo From chaosbringer at gmx.de Tue Nov 14 13:08:11 2006 From: chaosbringer at gmx.de (Julian Hagenauer) Date: Tue Nov 14 13:07:39 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Realtime not working on Debian testing... why? Message-ID: <20061114190811.366c0fd1@notebook.chaosbringer.de> Hi, i am using Debian testing with libpam-modules 0.79-4. I added @audio - rtprio 99 @audio - nice -10 @audio - memlock 250000 to /etc/security/limits.conf and i am member of the audio-group. If i start jack with 'jackd -R -d alsa' it says: jackd 0.101.1 Copyright 2001-2005 Paul Davis and others. jackd comes with ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY This is free software, and you are welcome to redistribute it under certain conditions; see the file COPYING for details JACK compiled with System V SHM support. loading driver .. creating alsa driver ... hw:0|hw:0|1024|2|48000|0|0|nomon|swmeter|-|32bit control device hw:0 configuring for 48000Hz, period = 1024 frames, buffer = 2 periods nperiods = 2 for capture nperiods = 2 for playback As you see there no warning about missing realtime-cappabilities, anyhow realtime seems not work, because i got a lot of xruns.... What i am missing? Do i need other requirements to fullfill to get realtime to work, e.g. special kernel-configuration? Thank you, Julian From rlrevell at joe-job.com Tue Nov 14 13:22:27 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Tue Nov 14 13:23:11 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Realtime not working on Debian testing... why? In-Reply-To: <20061114190811.366c0fd1@notebook.chaosbringer.de> References: <20061114190811.366c0fd1@notebook.chaosbringer.de> Message-ID: <1163528547.14674.24.camel@mindpipe> On Tue, 2006-11-14 at 19:08 +0100, Julian Hagenauer wrote: > i am using Debian testing with libpam-modules 0.79-4. Too old. You need at least PAM 0.80. Please ask the Debian maintainers to ship a newer one. Lee From perodog at gmx.net Tue Nov 14 13:26:57 2006 From: perodog at gmx.net (Dragan Noveski) Date: Tue Nov 14 13:27:06 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Realtime not working on Debian testing... why? In-Reply-To: <20061114190811.366c0fd1@notebook.chaosbringer.de> References: <20061114190811.366c0fd1@notebook.chaosbringer.de> Message-ID: <455A0A71.8090807@gmx.net> Julian Hagenauer wrote: > Hi, > i am using Debian testing with libpam-modules 0.79-4. > I added > @audio - rtprio 99 > @audio - nice -10 > @audio - memlock 250000 > to /etc/security/limits.conf and i am member of the audio-group. > If i start jack with 'jackd -R -d alsa' it says: > jackd 0.101.1 > Copyright 2001-2005 Paul Davis and others. > jackd comes with ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY > This is free software, and you are welcome to redistribute it > under certain conditions; see the file COPYING for details > > JACK compiled with System V SHM support. > loading driver .. > creating alsa driver ... hw:0|hw:0|1024|2|48000|0|0|nomon|swmeter|-|32bit > control device hw:0 > configuring for 48000Hz, period = 1024 frames, buffer = 2 periods > nperiods = 2 for capture > nperiods = 2 for playback > > As you see there no warning about missing realtime-cappabilities, anyhow realtime seems not work, because i got a lot of xruns.... > What i am missing? > Do i need other requirements to fullfill to get realtime to work, e.g. special kernel-configuration? > > Thank you, > Julian > > > i think that standard debian pam-modules are not rt cappable? we had this thread here already: Ismael Valladolid Torres wrote: > Right now libpam-modules version available for Debian etch is > 0.79-3.1. Does anybody know if this version is rlimits-aware or if it > needs to be patched? > > libpam-modules_0.79-3.2_i386.deb is not rlimit aware I found a debian package that is rlimit aware at : http://seite9.de/~burkhard/pam_debian_rlimits/ David. > Cordially, Ismael > ................. me myself using some ubuntu pam-modules on debian testing too and it worsk here. cheers, doc From pw_lists at slinkp.com Tue Nov 14 13:28:49 2006 From: pw_lists at slinkp.com (Paul Winkler) Date: Tue Nov 14 13:29:13 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Wanted: Singing Capacitor Fix (was: blaming Jack) In-Reply-To: References: <200611131807.20897.annabellesgarden@yahoo.de> Message-ID: <20061114182848.GA8179@slinkp.com> On Tue, Nov 14, 2006 at 05:05:57PM +0000, Carlo Capocasa wrote: > > > echo 'for ((;1;)); do i=0; done;'|nice -n 19 sh > > Shazam, dude shazam. The noise is gone. > > Together with the ground loop, this thing has been causing me headaches for FOUR > YEARS. And now it's gone. Thank you. Somehow this just jogged my memory... have you tried the "nohlt" kernel boot parameter? Maybe totally irrelevant. I haven't used it since I got a nice quiet Delta 66, but it used to be mandatory to reduce video-related noise with my older hardware. There seem to be several variants depending on architecture... from /usr/src/linux/Documentation/kernel-parameters.txt: nohlt [BUGS=ARM] no-hlt [BUGS=IA-32] Tells the kernel that the hlt instruction doesn't work correctly and not to use it. nohalt [IA-64] Tells the kernel not to use the power saving function PAL_HALT_LIGHT when idle. This increases power-consumption. On the positive side, it reduces interrupt wake-up latency, which may improve performance in certain environments such as networked servers or real-time systems. -- Paul Winkler http://www.slinkp.com From chaosbringer at gmx.de Tue Nov 14 13:34:15 2006 From: chaosbringer at gmx.de (Julian Hagenauer) Date: Tue Nov 14 13:33:46 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Realtime not working on Debian testing... why? In-Reply-To: <1163528547.14674.24.camel@mindpipe> References: <20061114190811.366c0fd1@notebook.chaosbringer.de> <1163528547.14674.24.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <20061114193415.20c1f74b@notebook.chaosbringer.de> On Tue, 14 Nov 2006 13:22:27 -0500 Lee Revell wrote: > On Tue, 2006-11-14 at 19:08 +0100, Julian Hagenauer wrote: > > i am using Debian testing with libpam-modules 0.79-4. > > Too old. You need at least PAM 0.80. Please ask the Debian maintainers > to ship a newer one. > > Lee > Hi, tank you... i though 0.79-4 would be enough :-) Sincerely, Julian From slothlove at gmail.com Tue Nov 14 13:37:35 2006 From: slothlove at gmail.com (Spencer Russell) Date: Tue Nov 14 13:37:43 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Realtime not working on Debian testing... why? In-Reply-To: <455A0A71.8090807@gmx.net> References: <20061114190811.366c0fd1@notebook.chaosbringer.de> <455A0A71.8090807@gmx.net> Message-ID: On 11/14/06, Dragan Noveski wrote: > Julian Hagenauer wrote: > > Hi, > > i am using Debian testing with libpam-modules 0.79-4. > > I added > > @audio - rtprio 99 > > @audio - nice -10 > > @audio - memlock 250000 > > to /etc/security/limits.conf and i am member of the audio-group. > I very well could be wrong, but I'm not using libpam, i'm using set_rlimits. Is one of these methods considered better/cleaner? I tried to figure out for a while how to get pam set up for rlimits, but in the end this seemed much simpler. thanks, spencer From jack.oquin at gmail.com Tue Nov 14 13:38:13 2006 From: jack.oquin at gmail.com (Jack O'Quin) Date: Tue Nov 14 13:38:51 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Realtime not working on Debian testing... why? In-Reply-To: <20061114193415.20c1f74b@notebook.chaosbringer.de> References: <20061114190811.366c0fd1@notebook.chaosbringer.de> <1163528547.14674.24.camel@mindpipe> <20061114193415.20c1f74b@notebook.chaosbringer.de> Message-ID: On 11/14/06, Julian Hagenauer wrote: > tank you... i though 0.79-4 would be enough :-) That depends on the patches applied by the maintainer. Ubuntu has a similar version, but with the realtime feature back-ported. Works fine. libpam-modules/dapper uptodate 0.79-3ubuntu14 -- joq From capocasa at gmx.net Tue Nov 14 13:43:09 2006 From: capocasa at gmx.net (Carlo Capocasa) Date: Tue Nov 14 13:43:30 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: good capture and playback quality laptop sought! References: <200611130336.44769.annabellesgarden@yahoo.de> Message-ID: Assuming you want to use the laptop's internal sound card for convenience in carrying rather than as a technical challenge, you could order any laptop, fix problems like singing capacitors yourself :), and use an Echo Indigo PCMCIA card. That would give you 24/96 conversion quality with at at least decent converters, but you would still only have on device to lug around. Carlo From jack.oquin at gmail.com Tue Nov 14 13:44:47 2006 From: jack.oquin at gmail.com (Jack O'Quin) Date: Tue Nov 14 13:45:00 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Realtime not working on Debian testing... why? In-Reply-To: References: <20061114190811.366c0fd1@notebook.chaosbringer.de> <455A0A71.8090807@gmx.net> Message-ID: On 11/14/06, Spencer Russell wrote: > On 11/14/06, Dragan Noveski wrote: > > Julian Hagenauer wrote: > > > Hi, > > > i am using Debian testing with libpam-modules 0.79-4. > > > I added > > > @audio - rtprio 99 > > > @audio - nice -10 > > > @audio - memlock 250000 > > > to /etc/security/limits.conf and i am member of the audio-group. > > > > I very well could be wrong, but I'm not using libpam, i'm using > set_rlimits. Is one of these methods considered better/cleaner? I > tried to figure out for a while how to get pam set up for rlimits, but > in the end this seemed much simpler. I think the PAM solution is better, once your distribution includes the necessary update. Trying to patch PAM yourself is probably more trouble than it's worth for most of us. With limits.conf updated and your UID added to group "audio", just log out. From then on, everything should "just work". You should not have to think about this absurd problem ever again. Sad that it has taken so many years to reach this point, and that many distributions still do not contain that fix. -- joq From dplist at free.fr Tue Nov 14 14:31:43 2006 From: dplist at free.fr (David) Date: Tue Nov 14 14:32:12 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Realtime not working on Debian testing... why? In-Reply-To: <1163528547.14674.24.camel@mindpipe> References: <20061114190811.366c0fd1@notebook.chaosbringer.de> <1163528547.14674.24.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <20061114203143.8f23a550.dplist@free.fr> On Tue, 14 Nov 2006 13:22:27 -0500 Lee Revell wrote: > On Tue, 2006-11-14 at 19:08 +0100, Julian Hagenauer wrote: > > i am using Debian testing with libpam-modules 0.79-4. > > Too old. You need at least PAM 0.80. Please ask the Debian > maintainers to ship a newer one. I found the following additions in the Debian changelog for the libpam-runtime package (0.79-4) : [...] - add support for (and document) new RLIMIT_NICE and RLIMIT_RTPRIO settings in Linux 2.6.12 and above; closes: #313542, #313588. [...] Shouldn't that do it ? Thanks. -- David From nomoa at wanadoo.fr Tue Nov 14 14:40:13 2006 From: nomoa at wanadoo.fr (David Causse) Date: Tue Nov 14 14:39:21 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Realtime not working on Debian testing... why? In-Reply-To: <20061114190811.366c0fd1@notebook.chaosbringer.de> References: <20061114190811.366c0fd1@notebook.chaosbringer.de> Message-ID: <20061114194013.GA18075@localdomain> On Tue, Nov 14, 2006 at 07:08:11PM +0100, Julian Hagenauer wrote: > Hi, > i am using Debian testing with libpam-modules 0.79-4. > I added > @audio - rtprio 99 > @audio - nice -10 > @audio - memlock 250000 > to /etc/security/limits.conf and i am member of the audio-group. > If i start jack with 'jackd -R -d alsa' it says: > jackd 0.101.1 > Copyright 2001-2005 Paul Davis and others. > jackd comes with ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY > This is free software, and you are welcome to redistribute it > under certain conditions; see the file COPYING for details > > JACK compiled with System V SHM support. > loading driver .. > creating alsa driver ... hw:0|hw:0|1024|2|48000|0|0|nomon|swmeter|-|32bit > control device hw:0 > configuring for 48000Hz, period = 1024 frames, buffer = 2 periods > nperiods = 2 for capture > nperiods = 2 for playback > > As you see there no warning about missing realtime-cappabilities, anyhow realtime seems not work, because i got a lot of xruns.... > What i am missing? > Do i need other requirements to fullfill to get realtime to work, e.g. special kernel-configuration? Debian testing current libpam-modules 0.79-4 supports rtprio (I use it). To be sure just run : jackd -R -P 70 -d dummy in another shell launch : top -H -p `pidof jackd` PID USER PR NI VIRT RES SHR S %CPU %MEM TIME+ COMMAND 26812 moino 18 0 21652 21m 3892 S 0 2.1 0:00.01 jackd 26813 moino 18 0 21652 21m 3892 S 0 2.1 0:00.00 jackd 26814 moino 19 0 21652 21m 3892 S 0 2.1 0:00.00 jackd 26815 moino -81 0 21652 21m 3892 S 0 2.1 0:00.00 jackd 26816 moino *-71* 0 21652 21m 3892 S 0 2.1 0:00.00 jackd If rlimit is not working you won't see a thread at prio -71 Don't be afraid if you don't have the thread at -81 you must have an old version of jackd. If you can verify this you can be sure your problem does not come from rlimit or realtime stuff. You will have to investigate more. Goood luck. PS. If you have a dual core setup I'm not sure your jackd version is patched against some hw clock drift problems. Do you have the --clocksource option when you launch jackd -h ? David. From rlrevell at joe-job.com Tue Nov 14 14:40:52 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Tue Nov 14 14:41:35 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Realtime not working on Debian testing... why? In-Reply-To: <20061114203143.8f23a550.dplist@free.fr> References: <20061114190811.366c0fd1@notebook.chaosbringer.de> <1163528547.14674.24.camel@mindpipe> <20061114203143.8f23a550.dplist@free.fr> Message-ID: <1163533253.14674.37.camel@mindpipe> On Tue, 2006-11-14 at 20:31 +0100, David wrote: > On Tue, 14 Nov 2006 13:22:27 -0500 > Lee Revell wrote: > > > On Tue, 2006-11-14 at 19:08 +0100, Julian Hagenauer wrote: > > > i am using Debian testing with libpam-modules 0.79-4. > > > > Too old. You need at least PAM 0.80. Please ask the Debian > > maintainers to ship a newer one. > > I found the following additions in the Debian changelog for the > libpam-runtime package (0.79-4) : > > [...] > - add support for (and document) new RLIMIT_NICE and RLIMIT_RTPRIO > settings in Linux 2.6.12 and above; closes: #313542, #313588. > [...] > > Shouldn't that do it ? Yes, it should. Lee From siliconjoe at gmail.com Tue Nov 14 14:43:48 2006 From: siliconjoe at gmail.com (Giuseppe Zompatori) Date: Tue Nov 14 14:44:24 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Midi Woes In-Reply-To: <1163518453.11216.275792029@webmail.messagingengine.com> References: <1162927009.30574.275240877@webmail.messagingengine.com> <3a5df3c20611110915h5f745376mb9e04164846df5ee@mail.gmail.com> <1163409680.24874.275662647@webmail.messagingengine.com> <3a5df3c20611130242q46fc9868nabf005ec092bfe40@mail.gmail.com> <1163437747.10508.275696849@webmail.messagingengine.com> <3a5df3c20611140706s3143796flcc608d399963faa1@mail.gmail.com> <1163518453.11216.275792029@webmail.messagingengine.com> Message-ID: <3a5df3c20611141143x6fa1a967q25090849dff6cd1e@mail.gmail.com> Hi Clemens, 2006/11/14, Clemens Ladisch : > Then it's probably not a problem with the port address. > > In what previous kernel version did this work? > Do you know which ALSA version this was? Unfortunately no, I do not remember, I'd have to investigate again... I am even not so sure MIDI IO has ever been working at all with this motherboard now that I am thinking better about it. I am getting older and it shows :( I tried unloading all of the ALSA drivers and fooled around a bit with the mpu401 OSS (free OSS) module just for the sake of it and it complains there's no such port at the BIOS addresses as well. I tried installing an older version of the dreaded OS on an obsolete spare HD with the MB supplied drivers and MIDI IO (still IOPort 300 and IRQ 5 settings for the BIOS) worked perfectly, I just did this test to make sure that the HW works in the first place. > > Hard to describe the mess that's going on with this (not saying it's > > your fault of course), master volume control seems to not be working > > but for lowering line-in monitoring levels, changing line-in > > monitoring does nothing. > > A newer driver version might fix things. > > Which codec are you using? (see /proc/asound/cards) gzed@firegarden:~$ cat /proc/asound/cards 0 [SI7012 ]: ICH - SiS SI7012 SiS SI7012 with CMI9761 at 0xc800, irq 209 1 [UART ]: MPU-401 UART - MPU-401 UART MPU-401 UART at 0x300, irq 5 Cheers, -Guiseppe From brad at sonaural.com Tue Nov 14 15:16:45 2006 From: brad at sonaural.com (Brad Fuller) Date: Tue Nov 14 15:17:07 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] snd card now not working. apparently slipped from Card 1 to Card 0. Message-ID: <455A242D.6060803@sonaural.com> I sent this to PlanetCCRMA ML yesterday, no response. Thought someone here could help. For some reason I'm getting the following error when using aplay: ALSA lib confmisc.c:672:(snd_func_card_driver) cannot find card '1' ALSA lib conf.c:3492:(_snd_config_evaluate) function snd_func_card_driver returned error: No such device I believe there is some mixup during boot about my Midisport 8x8 (which was 0) and the Delta 66 (which was card 1) The Midisport doesn't seem to appear now. For another weirdness, my modprobe is now: # cat modprobe.conf alias eth0 3c59x alias snd-card-1 snd-ice1712 options snd-card-1 index=1 options snd-ice1712 index=1 remove snd-ice1712 { /usr/sbin/alsactl store 1 >/dev/null 2>&1 || : ; }; /sbin/modprobe -r --ignore-remove snd-ice1712 Would the (behind-my-back) removal of the midisport slip the Delta 66 into card 0 spot, but not tell others that the Delta 66 is now card 0 and not card 1? I don't care much about the Midisport, so why doesn't my Delta66 work? === some helpful hints: # ls /dev/snd controlC0 pcmC0D0c pcmC0D0p seq timer # cat /proc/asound/version Advanced Linux Sound Architecture Driver Version 1.0.11. Compiled on Jul 25 2006 for kernel 2.6.16-1.2080.16.rrt.rhfc5.ccrma. # cat /proc/asound/cards 0 [M66 ]: ICE1712 - M Audio Delta 66 M Audio Delta 66 at 0xece0, irq 20 # /sbin/lsmod | grep snd snd_ice1712 55784 0 snd_ice17xx_ak4xxx 4608 1 snd_ice1712 snd_ak4xxx_adda 6400 2 snd_ice1712,snd_ice17xx_ak4xxx snd_cs8427 9216 1 snd_ice1712 snd_ac97_codec 84128 1 snd_ice1712 snd_seq_dummy 4100 0 snd_seq_oss 30848 0 snd_seq_midi_event 7296 1 snd_seq_oss snd_seq 50320 5 snd_seq_dummy,snd_seq_oss,snd_seq_midi_event snd_pcm_oss 43552 0 snd_mixer_oss 16640 1 snd_pcm_oss snd_pcm 82976 3 snd_ice1712,snd_ac97_codec,snd_pcm_oss snd_timer 23068 2 snd_seq,snd_pcm snd_ac97_bus 2688 1 snd_ac97_codec snd_i2c 6272 2 snd_ice1712,snd_cs8427 snd_mpu401_uart 8064 1 snd_ice1712 snd_rawmidi 24224 1 snd_mpu401_uart snd_seq_device 8716 4 snd_seq_dummy,snd_seq_oss,snd_seq,snd_rawmidi snd 55204 17 snd_ice1712,snd_ice17xx_ak4xxx,snd_ak4xxx_adda,snd_cs8427,snd_ac97_codec,snd_seq_dummy,snd_seq_oss,snd_seq_midi_event,snd_seq,snd_pcm_oss,snd_mixer_oss,snd_pcm,snd_timer,snd_i2c,snd_mpu401_uart,snd_rawmidi,snd_seq_device soundcore 9633 1 snd snd_page_alloc 10376 1 snd_pcm From rlrevell at joe-job.com Tue Nov 14 15:28:02 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Tue Nov 14 15:28:58 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] snd card now not working. apparently slipped from Card 1 to Card 0. In-Reply-To: <455A242D.6060803@sonaural.com> References: <455A242D.6060803@sonaural.com> Message-ID: <1163536082.14674.50.camel@mindpipe> On Tue, 2006-11-14 at 12:16 -0800, Brad Fuller wrote: > I sent this to PlanetCCRMA ML yesterday, no response. Thought someone > here could help. > > For some reason I'm getting the following error when using aplay: > > ALSA lib confmisc.c:672:(snd_func_card_driver) cannot find card '1' > ALSA lib conf.c:3492:(_snd_config_evaluate) function > snd_func_card_driver returned error: No such device > > I believe there is some mixup during boot about my Midisport 8x8 (which > was 0) and the Delta 66 (which was card 1) > The Midisport doesn't seem to appear now. > You must have changed something to cause snd-usb-audio not to get loaded. > For another weirdness, my modprobe is now: > > # cat modprobe.conf > alias eth0 3c59x > alias snd-card-1 snd-ice1712 > options snd-card-1 index=1 > options snd-ice1712 index=1 > remove snd-ice1712 { /usr/sbin/alsactl store 1 >/dev/null 2>&1 || : ; }; > /sbin/modprobe -r --ignore-remove snd-ice1712 > > Would the (behind-my-back) removal of the midisport slip the Delta 66 > into card 0 spot, but not tell others that the Delta 66 is now card 0 > and not card 1? I don't care much about the Midisport, so why doesn't my > Delta66 work? > It does work, it's just card 0 now. What aplay command line are you using? Do you have an .asoundrc? You shouldn't. Lee From brad at sonaural.com Tue Nov 14 15:58:25 2006 From: brad at sonaural.com (Brad Fuller) Date: Tue Nov 14 15:58:50 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] snd card now not working. apparently slipped from Card 1 to Card 0. In-Reply-To: <1163536082.14674.50.camel@mindpipe> References: <455A242D.6060803@sonaural.com> <1163536082.14674.50.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <455A2DF1.7030802@sonaural.com> Lee Revell wrote: > On Tue, 2006-11-14 at 12:16 -0800, Brad Fuller wrote: > >> I sent this to PlanetCCRMA ML yesterday, no response. Thought someone >> here could help. >> >> For some reason I'm getting the following error when using aplay: >> >> ALSA lib confmisc.c:672:(snd_func_card_driver) cannot find card '1' >> ALSA lib conf.c:3492:(_snd_config_evaluate) function >> snd_func_card_driver returned error: No such device >> >> I believe there is some mixup during boot about my Midisport 8x8 (which >> was 0) and the Delta 66 (which was card 1) >> The Midisport doesn't seem to appear now. >> >> > > You must have changed something to cause snd-usb-audio not to get > loaded. > > >> For another weirdness, my modprobe is now: >> >> # cat modprobe.conf >> alias eth0 3c59x >> alias snd-card-1 snd-ice1712 >> options snd-card-1 index=1 >> options snd-ice1712 index=1 >> remove snd-ice1712 { /usr/sbin/alsactl store 1 >/dev/null 2>&1 || : ; }; >> /sbin/modprobe -r --ignore-remove snd-ice1712 >> >> Would the (behind-my-back) removal of the midisport slip the Delta 66 >> into card 0 spot, but not tell others that the Delta 66 is now card 0 >> and not card 1? I don't care much about the Midisport, so why doesn't my >> Delta66 work? >> >> > > It does work, it's just card 0 now. What aplay command line are you > using? Do you have an .asoundrc? You shouldn't. > I know it's card 0 now. I don't know why midisport is not loading. I didn't change anything in modprobe.conf myself. Unless something else did. Nope, I don't have an .asourcerc Here is an old FC3 modprobe.conf that worked: alias eth0 3c59x alias snd-card-0 snd-ice1712 options snd-card-0 index=0 install snd-ice1712 /sbin/modprobe --ignore-install snd-ice1712 && /usr/sbin/alsactl restore >/dev/null 2>&1 || : remove snd-ice1712 { /usr/sbin/alsactl store >/dev/null 2>&1 || : ; }; /sbin/modprobe -r --ignore-remove snd-ice1712 alias snd-card-1 snd-usb-audio options snd-usb-audio index=1 # alias snd-card-2 snd-virmidi options snd-virmidi index=2 alias usb-controller uhci-hcd alias ieee1394-controller ohci1394 options snd cards_limit=4 why is there an install and remove, and the new one has only a remove? What happened to alsaconf, is that defunct now? From mzilikazi at mzilikazix.org Tue Nov 14 17:56:21 2006 From: mzilikazi at mzilikazix.org (Glenn Greenfield) Date: Tue Nov 14 17:56:14 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Realtime not working on Debian testing... why? In-Reply-To: <20061114190811.366c0fd1@notebook.chaosbringer.de> References: <20061114190811.366c0fd1@notebook.chaosbringer.de> Message-ID: <455A4995.5000604@mzilikazix.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Julian Hagenauer wrote: > Hi, > i am using Debian testing with libpam-modules 0.79-4. > I added > @audio - rtprio 99 > @audio - nice -10 > @audio - memlock 250000 > to /etc/security/limits.conf and i am member of the audio-group. > If i start jack with 'jackd -R -d alsa' it says: > jackd 0.101.1 > Copyright 2001-2005 Paul Davis and others. > jackd comes with ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY > This is free software, and you are welcome to redistribute it > under certain conditions; see the file COPYING for details > > JACK compiled with System V SHM support. > loading driver .. > creating alsa driver ... hw:0|hw:0|1024|2|48000|0|0|nomon|swmeter|-|32bit > control device hw:0 > configuring for 48000Hz, period = 1024 frames, buffer = 2 periods > nperiods = 2 for capture > nperiods = 2 for playback > > As you see there no warning about missing realtime-cappabilities, anyhow realtime seems not work, because i got a lot of xruns.... > What i am missing? I run Debian Sid and realtime works perfectly. $ apt-cache policy libpam-modules libpam-modules: Installed: 0.79-4 Candidate: 0.79-4 Version table: *** 0.79-4 0 500 http://ftp.us.debian.org testing/main Packages 500 http://ftp.us.debian.org unstable/main Packages The /etc/security/limits.conf as shipped by Debian does still need to be edited (as you have already done). > Do i need other requirements to fullfill to get realtime to work, e.g. special kernel-configuration? > Yes - a kernel configured for realtime preemtion. $ zcat /proc/config.gz |grep PREEMPT_RT CONFIG_PREEMPT_RT=y The realtime patcheset is slowly getting incorporated into the main kernel tree. Not exactly sure what the status of that is at this time. If you don't want to build your own rt kernel you can get one here: http://mzilikazix.org These are even configured for 1000 Hz kernel timer. $ zcat /proc/config.gz |grep CONFIG_HZ_1000=y CONFIG_HZ_1000=y Several flavors to choose from with more on the way. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFFWkmVS/p1trUxzngRAsimAJ0fGu+ViIZJs3UVjdsL2qjm6zAozwCfWaRX NiP4NzkC6ih//PPZn0dfVrg= =4zyd -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From rlrevell at joe-job.com Tue Nov 14 18:11:14 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Tue Nov 14 18:11:58 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Realtime not working on Debian testing... why? In-Reply-To: <455A4995.5000604@mzilikazix.org> References: <20061114190811.366c0fd1@notebook.chaosbringer.de> <455A4995.5000604@mzilikazix.org> Message-ID: <1163545874.14674.60.camel@mindpipe> On Tue, 2006-11-14 at 15:56 -0700, Glenn Greenfield wrote: > Yes - a kernel configured for realtime preemtion. > > $ zcat /proc/config.gz |grep PREEMPT_RT > CONFIG_PREEMPT_RT=y Actually no. This is a common misconception. The point of realtime preemption is to improve realtime performance. The point of PAM and RT limits and the realtime LSM is to allow non-root users to run realtime applications. The two have nothing to do with each other. Lee From mzilikazi at mzilikazix.org Tue Nov 14 18:20:39 2006 From: mzilikazi at mzilikazix.org (Glenn Greenfield) Date: Tue Nov 14 18:20:44 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Realtime not working on Debian testing... why? In-Reply-To: <1163545874.14674.60.camel@mindpipe> References: <20061114190811.366c0fd1@notebook.chaosbringer.de> <455A4995.5000604@mzilikazix.org> <1163545874.14674.60.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <455A4F47.4010706@mzilikazix.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Lee Revell wrote: > On Tue, 2006-11-14 at 15:56 -0700, Glenn Greenfield wrote: >> Yes - a kernel configured for realtime preemtion. >> >> $ zcat /proc/config.gz |grep PREEMPT_RT >> CONFIG_PREEMPT_RT=y > > Actually no. This is a common misconception. > > The point of realtime preemption is to improve realtime performance. > The point of PAM and RT limits and the realtime LSM is to allow non-root > users to run realtime applications. > > The two have nothing to do with each other. > > Lee > > Hmm interesting - thanks for the clarification. - -glenn -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFFWk9HS/p1trUxzngRAqZAAJ9jdKUU7ikRdKIdv+y9XbrGxFcRiACff2aB bLPS9aLp3YRW5+/QN3tJ9Jo= =xRwM -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From brad at sonaural.com Tue Nov 14 20:30:11 2006 From: brad at sonaural.com (Brad Fuller) Date: Tue Nov 14 20:30:24 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] FC2->Fc3->Fc4->Fc5->FC6->FC*: it's crazy! Message-ID: <455A6DA3.6080603@sonaural.com> every time there is a new Fedora Core, I usually get around to moving to the next version. However, for me, it's a bit of a pain to do because you really have to wipe the disc and start all over.. ."upgrading" Fedora doesn't really work well. At least for me it doesn't. Don't you find this a bit irritating? I do. It's not hard, it just seems unnecessary. Are other distros better at upgrading but also provide all of the nice features that Fedora does? (there are a lot of audio apps available in rpm for Fedora. I just can't spend my time compiling each and every one when updates come along.) What do others do? From cucullin at wtfisthat.net Tue Nov 14 20:34:23 2006 From: cucullin at wtfisthat.net (Joseph M. Gaffney) Date: Tue Nov 14 20:32:54 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] FC2->Fc3->Fc4->Fc5->FC6->FC*: it's crazy! In-Reply-To: <455A6DA3.6080603@sonaural.com> References: <455A6DA3.6080603@sonaural.com> Message-ID: <200611142034.23222.cucullin@wtfisthat.net> On Tuesday 14 November 2006 20:30, Brad Fuller wrote: > every time there is a new Fedora Core, I usually get around to moving to > the next version. However, for me, it's a bit of a pain to do because > you really have to wipe the disc and start all over.. ."upgrading" > Fedora doesn't really work well. At least for me it doesn't. > > Don't you find this a bit irritating? I do. It's not hard, it just seems > unnecessary. > > Are other distros better at upgrading but also provide all of the nice > features that Fedora does? (there are a lot of audio apps available in > rpm for Fedora. I just can't spend my time compiling each and every one > when updates come along.) > > What do others do? Why not use CentOS or another such variation on FC? FC is destined to always be latest and greatest, so it comes with the territory. -Joseph M. Gaffney aka CuCullin From brad at sonaural.com Tue Nov 14 20:40:17 2006 From: brad at sonaural.com (Brad Fuller) Date: Tue Nov 14 20:41:41 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] FC2->Fc3->Fc4->Fc5->FC6->FC*: it's crazy! In-Reply-To: <200611142034.23222.cucullin@wtfisthat.net> References: <455A6DA3.6080603@sonaural.com> <200611142034.23222.cucullin@wtfisthat.net> Message-ID: <455A7001.8090706@sonaural.com> Joseph M. Gaffney wrote: > On Tuesday 14 November 2006 20:30, Brad Fuller wrote: > >> every time there is a new Fedora Core, I usually get around to moving to >> the next version. However, for me, it's a bit of a pain to do because >> you really have to wipe the disc and start all over.. ."upgrading" >> Fedora doesn't really work well. At least for me it doesn't. >> >> Don't you find this a bit irritating? I do. It's not hard, it just seems >> unnecessary. >> >> Are other distros better at upgrading but also provide all of the nice >> features that Fedora does? (there are a lot of audio apps available in >> rpm for Fedora. I just can't spend my time compiling each and every one >> when updates come along.) >> >> What do others do? >> > > Why not use CentOS or another such variation on FC? FC is destined to always > be latest and greatest, so it comes with the territory. > What's the difference? Couldn't I just keep FC5 and not go to FC6, for example. Or, does CentOS have an easy upgrade path? Is there any downside to using CentOS (except for the latest and greatest) for audio and video work? Do you use it? If so, why and what's your experience? brad From cucullin at wtfisthat.net Tue Nov 14 21:14:37 2006 From: cucullin at wtfisthat.net (Joseph M. Gaffney) Date: Tue Nov 14 21:13:22 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] FC2->Fc3->Fc4->Fc5->FC6->FC*: it's crazy! In-Reply-To: <455A7001.8090706@sonaural.com> References: <455A6DA3.6080603@sonaural.com> <200611142034.23222.cucullin@wtfisthat.net> <455A7001.8090706@sonaural.com> Message-ID: <200611142114.38007.cucullin@wtfisthat.net> On Tuesday 14 November 2006 20:40, Brad Fuller wrote: > Joseph M. Gaffney wrote: > > On Tuesday 14 November 2006 20:30, Brad Fuller wrote: > >> every time there is a new Fedora Core, I usually get around to moving to > >> the next version. However, for me, it's a bit of a pain to do because > >> you really have to wipe the disc and start all over.. ."upgrading" > >> Fedora doesn't really work well. At least for me it doesn't. > >> > >> Don't you find this a bit irritating? I do. It's not hard, it just seems > >> unnecessary. > >> > >> Are other distros better at upgrading but also provide all of the nice > >> features that Fedora does? (there are a lot of audio apps available in > >> rpm for Fedora. I just can't spend my time compiling each and every one > >> when updates come along.) > >> > >> What do others do? > > > > Why not use CentOS or another such variation on FC? FC is destined to > > always be latest and greatest, so it comes with the territory. > > What's the difference? Couldn't I just keep FC5 and not go to FC6, for > example. Or, does CentOS have an easy upgrade path? CentOS is simply RHEL (which is based on Fedora), and is supported for longer than FC, but by the CentOS developers and contributors. > Is there any downside to using CentOS (except for the latest and > greatest) for audio and video work? Its mostly meant for stability, so its geared towards that. However, they are out to maintain 100% binary compatibility. > Do you use it? If so, why and > what's your experience? > > brad Nope, I like KDE, so I tend to go with distros who focus on KDE as the core desktop. While KDE can be installed on FC no problem (and I have), the guys over at RH are much more familiar with gtk development, so thats where their focus is at. Can't complain, they do great work regardless :) Anyways, another option, if you wanted to keep your FC5 or FC6 install once they are no longer supported, is to go with the Fedora Legacy project. They maintain support for older versions of Fedora once it is no longer in RH's sight as a supported version (currently, FC4 is in the legacy project). -Joseph M. Gaffney aka CuCullin From brad at sonaural.com Tue Nov 14 21:35:27 2006 From: brad at sonaural.com (Brad Fuller) Date: Tue Nov 14 21:35:36 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] FC2->Fc3->Fc4->Fc5->FC6->FC*: it's crazy! In-Reply-To: <200611142114.38007.cucullin@wtfisthat.net> References: <455A6DA3.6080603@sonaural.com> <200611142034.23222.cucullin@wtfisthat.net> <455A7001.8090706@sonaural.com> <200611142114.38007.cucullin@wtfisthat.net> Message-ID: <455A7CEF.60801@sonaural.com> Joseph M. Gaffney wrote: > >> What's the difference? Couldn't I just keep FC5 and not go to FC6, for >> example. Or, does CentOS have an easy upgrade path? >> > > CentOS is simply RHEL (which is based on Fedora), and is supported for longer > than FC, but by the CentOS developers and contributors. > Now I remember, it's an enterprise version based on RHEL. However, I don't know how much of Fedora is in RHEL. RHEL was started years before Fedora. I imagine there is some, but doesn't Redhat pick and choose what to put in. Besides, it's built for the enterprise, and stability as you say. As their site says: CentOS-4 is a freely distributable OS built from the source at: ftp://ftp.redhat.com/pub/redhat/linux/enterprise/4/en/os/i386/SRPMS To me, that sounds like it would be a couple of steps back from FC. What do other use and are you happy with the upgrades? From dsbaikov at gmail.com Tue Nov 14 21:36:16 2006 From: dsbaikov at gmail.com (Dmitry Baikov) Date: Tue Nov 14 21:36:47 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] FC2->Fc3->Fc4->Fc5->FC6->FC*: it's crazy! In-Reply-To: <455A6DA3.6080603@sonaural.com> References: <455A6DA3.6080603@sonaural.com> Message-ID: <70a871c80611141836u3811680ah371874f6d57eda9c@mail.gmail.com> On 11/15/06, Brad Fuller wrote: > Are other distros better at upgrading but also provide all of the nice > features that Fedora does? (there are a lot of audio apps available in > rpm for Fedora. I just can't spend my time compiling each and every one > when updates come along.) I have Gentoo installed for 3.5 years, it event survived total computer upgrade. In spite of being more of a developer-friendly distribution, it has proaudio portage overlay which makes nearly all audio apps available for one-line install. But it is still compiling.... Dmitry. From dplist at free.fr Tue Nov 14 21:54:42 2006 From: dplist at free.fr (David) Date: Tue Nov 14 21:54:39 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Realtime not working on Debian testing... why? In-Reply-To: <1163545874.14674.60.camel@mindpipe> References: <20061114190811.366c0fd1@notebook.chaosbringer.de> <455A4995.5000604@mzilikazix.org> <1163545874.14674.60.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <20061115035442.372c7af9.dplist@free.fr> On Tue, 14 Nov 2006 18:11:14 -0500 Lee Revell wrote: > On Tue, 2006-11-14 at 15:56 -0700, Glenn Greenfield wrote: > > Yes - a kernel configured for realtime preemtion. > > > > $ zcat /proc/config.gz |grep PREEMPT_RT > > CONFIG_PREEMPT_RT=y > > Actually no. This is a common misconception. > > The point of realtime preemption is to improve realtime performance. > The point of PAM and RT limits and the realtime LSM is to allow > non-root users to run realtime applications. > > The two have nothing to do with each other. But there would be no point in using the realtime LSM or the RT rlimit on a non RT kernel. True ? Thanks. -- David From gnome at hawaii.rr.com Tue Nov 14 21:54:44 2006 From: gnome at hawaii.rr.com (david) Date: Tue Nov 14 21:55:20 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] FC2->Fc3->Fc4->Fc5->FC6->FC*: it's crazy! In-Reply-To: <455A7CEF.60801@sonaural.com> References: <455A6DA3.6080603@sonaural.com> <200611142034.23222.cucullin@wtfisthat.net> <455A7001.8090706@sonaural.com> <200611142114.38007.cucullin@wtfisthat.net> <455A7CEF.60801@sonaural.com> Message-ID: <455A8174.1080900@hawaii.rr.com> Brad Fuller wrote: > Joseph M. Gaffney wrote: >>> What's the difference? Couldn't I just keep FC5 and not go to FC6, for >>> example. Or, does CentOS have an easy upgrade path? >>> >> CentOS is simply RHEL (which is based on Fedora), and is supported for longer >> than FC, but by the CentOS developers and contributors. >> > Now I remember, it's an enterprise version based on RHEL. However, I > don't know how much of Fedora is in RHEL. RHEL was started years before > Fedora. I imagine there is some, but doesn't Redhat pick and choose what > to put in. Besides, it's built for the enterprise, and stability as you > say. > As their site says: > CentOS-4 is a freely distributable OS built from the source at: > ftp://ftp.redhat.com/pub/redhat/linux/enterprise/4/en/os/i386/SRPMS > > To me, that sounds like it would be a couple of steps back from FC. > > What do other use and are you happy with the upgrades? On the laptop, I started with SimplyMEPIS, a Debian-based distribution, pointed the repository list at debian.org, and just update from there. Sometimes upgrades have been "challenging" - such as the times that Xorg updates broke X, or KDE updates broke something. Considering the age of SimplyMEPIS, I don't blame Xorg or KDE for such challenges. On the server box, I started with Kanotix, pointed the repository list at Debian, and just update from there. It has also had "challenges", mostly due to partial updates. Both of my systems run tight on disk space, so I suspect that most any distro would find updates challenging on them. My wife's laptop runs an old distro, name of which I've forgotten, running Sarge. All she ever gets on updates is security updates. Hers has been challenge free as far as updates go. She has plenty of disk space available. I'm planning to check out the Debian Music Distribution (DeMuDi) from http://www.agnula.org to see how that goes. -- David gnome@hawaii.rr.com authenticity, honesty, community From drobilla at connect.carleton.ca Tue Nov 14 22:02:20 2006 From: drobilla at connect.carleton.ca (Dave Robillard) Date: Tue Nov 14 22:03:43 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] FC2->Fc3->Fc4->Fc5->FC6->FC*: it's crazy! In-Reply-To: <455A6DA3.6080603@sonaural.com> References: <455A6DA3.6080603@sonaural.com> Message-ID: <1163559740.11296.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Tue, 2006-11-14 at 17:30 -0800, Brad Fuller wrote: > every time there is a new Fedora Core, I usually get around to moving to > the next version. However, for me, it's a bit of a pain to do because > you really have to wipe the disc and start all over.. ."upgrading" > Fedora doesn't really work well. At least for me it doesn't. > > Don't you find this a bit irritating? I do. It's not hard, it just seems > unnecessary. > > Are other distros better at upgrading but also provide all of the nice > features that Fedora does? (there are a lot of audio apps available in > rpm for Fedora. I just can't spend my time compiling each and every one > when updates come along.) > > What do others do? When I get a new computer, I install Debian. Once. -DR- From forest at alittletooquiet.net Tue Nov 14 22:03:28 2006 From: forest at alittletooquiet.net (Forest Bond) Date: Tue Nov 14 22:04:28 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] FC2->Fc3->Fc4->Fc5->FC6->FC*: it's crazy! In-Reply-To: <455A6DA3.6080603@sonaural.com> References: <455A6DA3.6080603@sonaural.com> Message-ID: <20061115030328.GA21020@storm.local.network> On Tue, Nov 14, 2006 at 05:30:11PM -0800, Brad Fuller wrote: > every time there is a new Fedora Core, I usually get around to moving to > the next version. However, for me, it's a bit of a pain to do because > you really have to wipe the disc and start all over.. ."upgrading" > Fedora doesn't really work well. At least for me it doesn't. > > Don't you find this a bit irritating? I do. It's not hard, it just seems > unnecessary. I don't know why people tolerate this sort of thing. Debian and Ubuntu have _always_ upgraded well for me. These are projects that recognize that one of the most important (if not _the_ most important) responsibilty of a distribution is dependency management, including versioned dependencies through upgrades. I recently started maintaining a RHEL server at work, and up2date is one of the crudest tools I've ever seen. It just barely does anything right at all. I guess I've just been spoiled by apt-get, aptitude, synaptic, update-manager, et. al... (And the package maintainers for the above-mentioned projects -- package managers need good data to do their jobs well). -Forest -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Digital signature Url : http://music.columbia.edu/pipermail/linux-audio-user/attachments/20061114/b966fbf4/attachment.bin From brad at sonaural.com Tue Nov 14 22:17:31 2006 From: brad at sonaural.com (Brad Fuller) Date: Tue Nov 14 22:17:44 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] FC2->Fc3->Fc4->Fc5->FC6->FC*: it's crazy! In-Reply-To: <20061115030328.GA21020@storm.local.network> References: <455A6DA3.6080603@sonaural.com> <20061115030328.GA21020@storm.local.network> Message-ID: <455A86CB.10301@sonaural.com> Forest Bond wrote: > On Tue, Nov 14, 2006 at 05:30:11PM -0800, Brad Fuller wrote: > >> every time there is a new Fedora Core, I usually get around to moving to >> the next version. However, for me, it's a bit of a pain to do because >> you really have to wipe the disc and start all over.. ."upgrading" >> Fedora doesn't really work well. At least for me it doesn't. >> >> Don't you find this a bit irritating? I do. It's not hard, it just seems >> unnecessary. >> > > I don't know why people tolerate this sort of thing. Debian and Ubuntu have > _always_ upgraded well for me. These are projects that recognize that one of > the most important (if not _the_ most important) responsibilty of a distribution > is dependency management, including versioned dependencies through upgrades. > > I recently started maintaining a RHEL server at work, and up2date is one of the > crudest tools I've ever seen. It just barely does anything right at all. > > I guess I've just been spoiled by apt-get, aptitude, synaptic, update-manager, > et. al... (And the package maintainers for the above-mentioned projects -- > package managers need good data to do their jobs well). > Upgrading applications is easy as pie on Fedora, as long as you get the right repos. I use Smart Manager and it's very nice, once you get it setup. My concern is not applications, but the distro itself. If there was a way to upgrade from FC5 to FC6 using Smart Manager, I'd try it. But, I didn't know there was a way. I've always had to wipe the disc clean and start over. I tried upgrading from FC3->FC4 using the CDROMs, but it never worked quite right. I actually tried a few times. I even tried FC4->FC5 from the CDROMs. But, always had to start from scratch. brad From fullgo at dellorfano.net Tue Nov 14 22:38:33 2006 From: fullgo at dellorfano.net (Joseph Dell'Orfano) Date: Tue Nov 14 22:38:53 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] FC2->Fc3->Fc4->Fc5->FC6->FC*: it's crazy! In-Reply-To: <455A86CB.10301@sonaural.com> References: <455A6DA3.6080603@sonaural.com> <20061115030328.GA21020@storm.local.network> <455A86CB.10301@sonaural.com> Message-ID: <1163561913.1649.36.camel@Mike> I still am running FC2 on my DAW. I have upgraded my main office computer nearly every other fedora release (I figure that the even releases will be better, much like the Star Trek movies) and I haven't had much breakage (i.e. by using the upgrade option in the fedora CD-roms). I use Planet CCRMA for my DAW and find that everything (on FC2) is running perfectly, so I don't see any real reason to want to break...I mean upgrade the OS. Once I build out a 64-bit machine I will install the latest and greatest... Incidentally, I just installed FC6 on another (non-music) machine and was happy to see that they are no longer using uptodate. They are using pup I believe, which can be set to use other yum repos. And, the distro's fedora extras included Jack, Rosegarden and other music apps. -Joe On Tue, 2006-11-14 at 19:17 -0800, Brad Fuller wrote: > Forest Bond wrote: > > On Tue, Nov 14, 2006 at 05:30:11PM -0800, Brad Fuller wrote: > > > >> every time there is a new Fedora Core, I usually get around to moving to > >> the next version. However, for me, it's a bit of a pain to do because > >> you really have to wipe the disc and start all over.. ."upgrading" > >> Fedora doesn't really work well. At least for me it doesn't. > >> > >> Don't you find this a bit irritating? I do. It's not hard, it just seems > >> unnecessary. > >> > > > > I don't know why people tolerate this sort of thing. Debian and Ubuntu have > > _always_ upgraded well for me. These are projects that recognize that one of > > the most important (if not _the_ most important) responsibilty of a distribution > > is dependency management, including versioned dependencies through upgrades. > > > > I recently started maintaining a RHEL server at work, and up2date is one of the > > crudest tools I've ever seen. It just barely does anything right at all. > > > > I guess I've just been spoiled by apt-get, aptitude, synaptic, update-manager, > > et. al... (And the package maintainers for the above-mentioned projects -- > > package managers need good data to do their jobs well). > > > Upgrading applications is easy as pie on Fedora, as long as you get the > right repos. I use Smart Manager and it's very nice, once you get it setup. > > My concern is not applications, but the distro itself. If there was a > way to upgrade from FC5 to FC6 using Smart Manager, I'd try it. But, I > didn't know there was a way. I've always had to wipe the disc clean and > start over. I tried upgrading from FC3->FC4 using the CDROMs, but it > never worked quite right. I actually tried a few times. I even tried > FC4->FC5 from the CDROMs. But, always had to start from scratch. > > brad From gnome at hawaii.rr.com Tue Nov 14 22:39:49 2006 From: gnome at hawaii.rr.com (david) Date: Tue Nov 14 22:40:15 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] FC2->Fc3->Fc4->Fc5->FC6->FC*: it's crazy! In-Reply-To: <455A86CB.10301@sonaural.com> References: <455A6DA3.6080603@sonaural.com> <20061115030328.GA21020@storm.local.network> <455A86CB.10301@sonaural.com> Message-ID: <455A8C05.7020607@hawaii.rr.com> Brad Fuller wrote: > Forest Bond wrote: >> On Tue, Nov 14, 2006 at 05:30:11PM -0800, Brad Fuller wrote: >> >>> every time there is a new Fedora Core, I usually get around to moving to >>> the next version. However, for me, it's a bit of a pain to do because >>> you really have to wipe the disc and start all over.. ."upgrading" >>> Fedora doesn't really work well. At least for me it doesn't. >>> >>> Don't you find this a bit irritating? I do. It's not hard, it just seems >>> unnecessary. >>> >> I don't know why people tolerate this sort of thing. Debian and Ubuntu have >> _always_ upgraded well for me. These are projects that recognize that one of >> the most important (if not _the_ most important) responsibilty of a distribution >> is dependency management, including versioned dependencies through upgrades. >> >> I recently started maintaining a RHEL server at work, and up2date is one of the >> crudest tools I've ever seen. It just barely does anything right at all. >> >> I guess I've just been spoiled by apt-get, aptitude, synaptic, update-manager, >> et. al... (And the package maintainers for the above-mentioned projects -- >> package managers need good data to do their jobs well). >> > Upgrading applications is easy as pie on Fedora, as long as you get the > right repos. I use Smart Manager and it's very nice, once you get it setup. > > My concern is not applications, but the distro itself. apt-get, Synaptic, etc all handle distro updates, too. Even kernels. I've updated kernels a couple of times using Synaptic. I guess you could say that Debian, in a sense, really doesn't have the RH/Fedora idea of "upgrades." -- David gnome@hawaii.rr.com authenticity, honesty, community From brad at sonaural.com Tue Nov 14 22:48:56 2006 From: brad at sonaural.com (Brad Fuller) Date: Tue Nov 14 22:49:17 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] FC2->Fc3->Fc4->Fc5->FC6->FC*: it's crazy! In-Reply-To: <455A8C05.7020607@hawaii.rr.com> References: <455A6DA3.6080603@sonaural.com> <20061115030328.GA21020@storm.local.network> <455A86CB.10301@sonaural.com> <455A8C05.7020607@hawaii.rr.com> Message-ID: <455A8E28.1040409@sonaural.com> david wrote: > Brad Fuller wrote: >> Forest Bond wrote: >>> On Tue, Nov 14, 2006 at 05:30:11PM -0800, Brad Fuller wrote: >>> >>>> every time there is a new Fedora Core, I usually get around to >>>> moving to >>>> the next version. However, for me, it's a bit of a pain to do because >>>> you really have to wipe the disc and start all over.. ."upgrading" >>>> Fedora doesn't really work well. At least for me it doesn't. >>>> >>>> Don't you find this a bit irritating? I do. It's not hard, it just >>>> seems >>>> unnecessary. >>>> >>> I don't know why people tolerate this sort of thing. Debian and >>> Ubuntu have >>> _always_ upgraded well for me. These are projects that recognize >>> that one of >>> the most important (if not _the_ most important) responsibilty of a >>> distribution >>> is dependency management, including versioned dependencies through >>> upgrades. >>> >>> I recently started maintaining a RHEL server at work, and up2date is >>> one of the >>> crudest tools I've ever seen. It just barely does anything right at >>> all. >>> >>> I guess I've just been spoiled by apt-get, aptitude, synaptic, >>> update-manager, >>> et. al... (And the package maintainers for the above-mentioned >>> projects -- >>> package managers need good data to do their jobs well). >>> >> Upgrading applications is easy as pie on Fedora, as long as you get the >> right repos. I use Smart Manager and it's very nice, once you get it >> setup. >> >> My concern is not applications, but the distro itself. > > apt-get, Synaptic, etc all handle distro updates, too. Even kernels. > I've updated kernels a couple of times using Synaptic. > > I guess you could say that Debian, in a sense, really doesn't have the > RH/Fedora idea of "upgrades." Yeah... kernels are no problem for me, either. It's complete distros that's the problem. I remember one time I had instructions on how to upgrade from FC2 to FC3 (or some lower numbered Fedora distro). I think you were to change your repos to point to the next distro. I did that, but it never worked well. Has anyone upgraded FC from the repos? How well did it work? Joe just mentioned he has upgraded using the CDROMs, but it never worked well for me. There was always something that was hanging around that never got updated. What is the consensus of upgrading FC from the CDROMs? Has anyone else upgraded successfully this way? brad From capocasa at gmx.net Tue Nov 14 22:57:05 2006 From: capocasa at gmx.net (Carlo Capocasa) Date: Tue Nov 14 22:57:29 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Wanted: Singing Capacitor Fix (was: blaming Jack) In-Reply-To: <20061114182848.GA8179@slinkp.com> References: <200611131807.20897.annabellesgarden@yahoo.de> <20061114182848.GA8179@slinkp.com> Message-ID: Hi Paul! Boy, I was thinking 'Kernel Patch' when I said kernel fix, all along with recompiling kernels and testing and hoping it will go with all the other patches I need and hoping it will get included soon and so on and so forth; while I would rather be producing music. And then you came up and brought up 'Kernel Parameter'. That's just beautiful. If there exists a kernel parameter that will solve this issue you can bet that I will find it, if I have to learn every line of the linux kernel by heart... IN BINARY MACHINE CODE. > nohlt [BUGS=ARM] > > no-hlt [BUGS=IA-32] Tells the kernel that the hlt > instruction doesn't work correctly and not to > use it. > > nohalt [IA-64] Tells the kernel not to use the power I tried nohlt and no-hlt but they didn't have any effect on the noise. I did a "grep -r nohlt /proc" and it mentioned something about a nohlt, so I would assume I made no mistakes in configuring grub properly. Thanks again, Paul, this is great. Carlo From rlrevell at joe-job.com Tue Nov 14 23:12:15 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Tue Nov 14 23:13:37 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Realtime not working on Debian testing... why? In-Reply-To: <20061115035442.372c7af9.dplist@free.fr> References: <20061114190811.366c0fd1@notebook.chaosbringer.de> <455A4995.5000604@mzilikazix.org> <1163545874.14674.60.camel@mindpipe> <20061115035442.372c7af9.dplist@free.fr> Message-ID: <1163563936.14674.72.camel@mindpipe> On Wed, 2006-11-15 at 03:54 +0100, David wrote: > On Tue, 14 Nov 2006 18:11:14 -0500 > Lee Revell wrote: > > > On Tue, 2006-11-14 at 15:56 -0700, Glenn Greenfield wrote: > > > Yes - a kernel configured for realtime preemtion. > > > > > > $ zcat /proc/config.gz |grep PREEMPT_RT > > > CONFIG_PREEMPT_RT=y > > > > Actually no. This is a common misconception. > > > > The point of realtime preemption is to improve realtime performance. > > The point of PAM and RT limits and the realtime LSM is to allow > > non-root users to run realtime applications. > > > > The two have nothing to do with each other. > > But there would be no point in using the realtime LSM or the RT rlimit > on a non RT kernel. True ? No, not true. Normal kernels can run realtime applications too. They just don't perform as well. Lee From markknecht at gmail.com Tue Nov 14 23:19:07 2006 From: markknecht at gmail.com (Mark Knecht) Date: Tue Nov 14 23:19:20 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] FC2->Fc3->Fc4->Fc5->FC6->FC*: it's crazy! In-Reply-To: <455A6DA3.6080603@sonaural.com> References: <455A6DA3.6080603@sonaural.com> Message-ID: <5bdc1c8b0611142019s5c1558c5s3a58df7b668c1f6e@mail.gmail.com> On 11/14/06, Brad Fuller wrote: > every time there is a new Fedora Core, I usually get around to moving to > the next version. However, for me, it's a bit of a pain to do because > you really have to wipe the disc and start all over.. ."upgrading" > Fedora doesn't really work well. At least for me it doesn't. > > Don't you find this a bit irritating? I do. It's not hard, it just seems > unnecessary. > > Are other distros better at upgrading but also provide all of the nice > features that Fedora does? (there are a lot of audio apps available in > rpm for Fedora. I just can't spend my time compiling each and every one > when updates come along.) > > What do others do? > Gentoo. My longest running machine is 4 years this Thanksgiving. I just run emerge -pvDuN once or twice a year and it goes on chugging along. My 78 year old dad doesn't even know an upgrade has happened unless Evolution or Firefox change the way they look. Cheers, Mark From chris at mccormick.cx Tue Nov 14 23:23:21 2006 From: chris at mccormick.cx (Chris McCormick) Date: Tue Nov 14 23:36:56 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] FC2->Fc3->Fc4->Fc5->FC6->FC*: it's crazy! In-Reply-To: <1163559740.11296.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <455A6DA3.6080603@sonaural.com> <1163559740.11296.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <20061115042321.GC8547@mccormick.cx> On Tue, Nov 14, 2006 at 10:02:20PM -0500, Dave Robillard wrote: > On Tue, 2006-11-14 at 17:30 -0800, Brad Fuller wrote: > > What do others do? > > When I get a new computer, I install Debian. > > Once. Same here. Coming from Debian it's hard to see what all the upgrading fuss is about. Best, Chris. ------------------- chris@mccormick.cx http://mccormick.cx From capocasa at gmx.net Tue Nov 14 23:59:27 2006 From: capocasa at gmx.net (Carlo Capocasa) Date: Wed Nov 15 00:12:59 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Wanted: Singing Capacitor Fix In-Reply-To: References: <20061113170742.807B040B82AA@music.columbia.edu> Message-ID: > Funny, I use something similar to heaten my bedroom. :-) LMAO!!! I see what you mean after touching my heatsink. Actually, I'm in the mood for some stir-fried vegetables. I'm also telling the landlady she can take the stove out now. Carlo From _ at whats-your.name Wed Nov 15 01:02:27 2006 From: _ at whats-your.name (carmen) Date: Wed Nov 15 01:03:40 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] FC2->Fc3->Fc4->Fc5->FC6->FC*: it's crazy! In-Reply-To: <20061115042321.GC8547@mccormick.cx> References: <455A6DA3.6080603@sonaural.com> <1163559740.11296.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20061115042321.GC8547@mccormick.cx> Message-ID: <20061115060227.GA30333@replic.net> On Wed Nov 15, 2006 at 12:23:21PM +0800, Chris McCormick wrote: > On Tue, Nov 14, 2006 at 10:02:20PM -0500, Dave Robillard wrote: > > On Tue, 2006-11-14 at 17:30 -0800, Brad Fuller wrote: > > > What do others do? > > > > When I get a new computer, I install Debian. > > > > Once. > > Same here. Coming from Debian it's hard to see what all the upgrading > fuss is about. it is often annoying the way debian updates 'block' eachother, and how it wll itnerrupt the update process to request some input on configuration. and the occasions where it gets into uninstallable sitautions due to the odd file overwrite issue.. that and wanting to mix and match repos to get everything meaning yuo are stuck in dependency hell, and end up having half your system as LFS. but i digress. some people stll like debian despite all this, since they think compiling is for 'ricers'.. > > Best, > > Chris. > > ------------------- > chris@mccormick.cx > http://mccormick.cx > From brad at sonaural.com Wed Nov 15 01:21:54 2006 From: brad at sonaural.com (Brad Fuller) Date: Wed Nov 15 01:23:24 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] FC2->Fc3->Fc4->Fc5->FC6->FC*: it's crazy! In-Reply-To: <5bdc1c8b0611142019s5c1558c5s3a58df7b668c1f6e@mail.gmail.com> References: <455A6DA3.6080603@sonaural.com> <5bdc1c8b0611142019s5c1558c5s3a58df7b668c1f6e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <455AB202.10609@sonaural.com> Mark Knecht wrote: > On 11/14/06, Brad Fuller wrote: >> nd my time compiling each and every one >> when updates come along.) >> >> What do others do? >> > > Gentoo. My longest running machine is 4 years this Thanksgiving. I > just run emerge -pvDuN once or twice a year and it goes on chugging > along. My 78 year old dad doesn't even know an upgrade has happened > unless Evolution or Firefox change the way they look. Do you have any problems getting the latest audio apps? (that is, not compiling, but already packaged) brad From gnome at hawaii.rr.com Wed Nov 15 01:29:50 2006 From: gnome at hawaii.rr.com (david) Date: Wed Nov 15 01:30:02 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Wanted: Singing Capacitor Fix In-Reply-To: References: <20061113170742.807B040B82AA@music.columbia.edu> Message-ID: <455AB3DE.5020708@hawaii.rr.com> Carlo Capocasa wrote: >> Funny, I use something similar to heaten my bedroom. :-) > > LMAO!!! I see what you mean after touching my heatsink. Actually, I'm in > the mood for some stir-fried vegetables. I'm also telling the landlady > she can take the stove out now. No, for that you need an Athlon64 FX or an Intel Quad-Core Xeon processor. Or an old-school overclocked Athlon of any sort. ;-) -- David gnome@hawaii.rr.com authenticity, honesty, community From gnome at hawaii.rr.com Wed Nov 15 01:42:44 2006 From: gnome at hawaii.rr.com (david) Date: Wed Nov 15 01:42:59 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] FC2->Fc3->Fc4->Fc5->FC6->FC*: it's crazy! In-Reply-To: <455AB202.10609@sonaural.com> References: <455A6DA3.6080603@sonaural.com> <5bdc1c8b0611142019s5c1558c5s3a58df7b668c1f6e@mail.gmail.com> <455AB202.10609@sonaural.com> Message-ID: <455AB6E4.5000202@hawaii.rr.com> Brad Fuller wrote: > Mark Knecht wrote: >> On 11/14/06, Brad Fuller wrote: >>> nd my time compiling each and every one >>> when updates come along.) >>> >>> What do others do? >>> >> Gentoo. My longest running machine is 4 years this Thanksgiving. I >> just run emerge -pvDuN once or twice a year and it goes on chugging >> along. My 78 year old dad doesn't even know an upgrade has happened >> unless Evolution or Firefox change the way they look. > Do you have any problems getting the latest audio apps? (that is, not > compiling, but already packaged) I thought the entire philosophy of Gentoo was To Compile? Or is that the Linspire philosophy? Link to current list of Gentoo apps - http://packages.gentoo.org/categories -- David gnome@hawaii.rr.com authenticity, honesty, community From michael at michaelshiloh.com Wed Nov 15 01:47:09 2006 From: michael at michaelshiloh.com (michael@michaelshiloh.com) Date: Wed Nov 15 01:49:07 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Wanted: Singing Capacitor Fix In-Reply-To: <455AB3DE.5020708@hawaii.rr.com> References: <20061113170742.807B040B82AA@music.columbia.edu> <455AB3DE.5020708@hawaii.rr.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 14 Nov 2006, david wrote: > Carlo Capocasa wrote: >> > Funny, I use something similar to heaten my bedroom. :-) >> >> LMAO!!! I see what you mean after touching my heatsink. Actually, I'm in >> the mood for some stir-fried vegetables. I'm also telling the landlady >> she can take the stove out now. > > No, for that you need an Athlon64 FX or an Intel Quad-Core Xeon processor. Or > an old-school overclocked Athlon of any sort. ;-) > surely you've all seen the video (youtube i think) of the guy cooking an egg on a PS2? From julien.lociuro at gmail.com Wed Nov 15 02:19:29 2006 From: julien.lociuro at gmail.com (julien bodd) Date: Wed Nov 15 02:19:40 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: FC2->Fc3->Fc4->Fc5->FC6->FC*: it's crazy! Message-ID: <31d6485d0611142319t4d885518q27637ba6226bc72a@mail.gmail.com> Why don't you try Musix. It's debian based and fully configured for music. Something like Agnula but with more development on it. Look at : http://www.musix.org.ar/en/index.html Julien. From renick at gmail.com Wed Nov 15 02:30:39 2006 From: renick at gmail.com (Renick Bell) Date: Wed Nov 15 02:33:14 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] FC2->Fc3->Fc4->Fc5->FC6->FC*: it's crazy! Message-ID: > > Do you have any problems getting the latest audio apps? (that is, not > > compiling, but already packaged) > > I thought the entire philosophy of Gentoo was To Compile? Somewhat true, but at least the package manager is taking care of that for you. People make way too big of a deal about compile times. On a decent modern machine, you won't be waiting that long before you can use an app you have just emerged. Audio on Gentoo is getting nicer by the day as a result of the rapidly expanding ProAudio overlay: http://proaudio.tuxfamily.org/wiki/index.php?title=Main_Page -- Renick Bell http://www.the3rd2nd.com From k.s.matheussen at notam02.no Wed Nov 15 02:59:37 2006 From: k.s.matheussen at notam02.no (Kjetil S. Matheussen) Date: Wed Nov 15 03:02:09 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: FC2->Fc3->Fc4->Fc5->FC6->FC*: it's crazy! In-Reply-To: <20061115025451.184BD413B3B1@music.columbia.edu> References: <20061115025451.184BD413B3B1@music.columbia.edu> Message-ID: Brad Fuller: > > every time there is a new Fedora Core, I usually get around to moving to > the next version. However, for me, it's a bit of a pain to do because > you really have to wipe the disc and start all over.. ."upgrading" > Fedora doesn't really work well. At least for me it doesn't. > > Don't you find this a bit irritating? I do. It's not hard, it just seems > unnecessary. > > Are other distros better at upgrading but also provide all of the nice > features that Fedora does? (there are a lot of audio apps available in > rpm for Fedora. I just can't spend my time compiling each and every one > when updates come along.) > > What do others do? > I switched to gentoo for the same reason. The number of audio packages is also probably higher in gentoo than any other distribution, using the proaudio overlay. However, if you are looking for a distribution that doesn't require much maintainance, I'm not so sure gentoo is the one for you. Ie. you never have to wipe out the harddisk, but on the other hand, you have to do lots of other stuff. If I hadn't had many years of sysadmin experience, gentoo might have been awful. But it has so far been working very well for me, and its nice to always have updated packages without manually downloading, compiling and installing them myself. From florin at andrei.myip.org Wed Nov 15 03:04:35 2006 From: florin at andrei.myip.org (Florin Andrei) Date: Wed Nov 15 03:09:40 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] fxload and Midisport firmware Message-ID: <455ACA13.7020605@andrei.myip.org> I upgraded to Fedora 6 and now I want to reinstall the firmware for my M-Audio Midisport 4x4 interface: http://usb-midi-fw.sourceforge.net/ This software requires fxload: # ./configure checking for a BSD-compatible install... /usr/bin/install -c checking whether build environment is sane... yes checking for gawk... gawk checking whether make sets $(MAKE)... yes checking for fxload... /sbin/fxload configure: error: /sbin/fxload not found; please install the fxload package first The problem is, fxload is not included in FC6 and I think I remember even with FC5 it was deprecated. What's the deal here, is fxload really just an old application that is now outdated? Is there any other way to install and load the firmware on FC6? -- Florin Andrei http://florin.myip.org/ From cladisch at fastmail.net Wed Nov 15 03:26:50 2006 From: cladisch at fastmail.net (Clemens Ladisch) Date: Wed Nov 15 03:29:29 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] fxload and Midisport firmware In-Reply-To: <455ACA13.7020605@andrei.myip.org> References: <455ACA13.7020605@andrei.myip.org> Message-ID: <1163579210.7983.275862981@webmail.messagingengine.com> Florin Andrei wrote: > I upgraded to Fedora 6 and now I want to reinstall the firmware for my > M-Audio Midisport 4x4 interface: > > configure: error: /sbin/fxload not found; please install the fxload > package first > > The problem is, fxload is not included in FC6 and I think I remember > even with FC5 it was deprecated. Ask the FC guys why they did this. > What's the deal here, is fxload really just an old application that is > now outdated? It hasn't changed in a long time, but it still does the job it should do. > Is there any other way to install and load the firmware on FC6? You have to compile and install it from source, just like the loader scripts. HTH Clemens From tech at glastonburymusic.org.uk Wed Nov 15 04:15:42 2006 From: tech at glastonburymusic.org.uk (tim hall) Date: Wed Nov 15 04:15:55 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] snd card now not working. apparently slipped from Card 1 to Card 0. In-Reply-To: <1163536082.14674.50.camel@mindpipe> References: <455A242D.6060803@sonaural.com> <1163536082.14674.50.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <200611150915.43280.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> On Tuesday 14 November 2006 20:28, Lee Revell was like: > It does work, it's just card 0 now. ?What aplay command line are you > using? ?Do you have an .asoundrc? ?You shouldn't. Are you saying that having a .asoundrc is _definitely_ counter-productive, or simply that it is not required? A pointer to whatever discussion I've missed will be sufficient. -- cheers, tim hall http://glastonburymusic.org.uk/tim We are the people We've been waiting for. From tech at glastonburymusic.org.uk Wed Nov 15 04:36:40 2006 From: tech at glastonburymusic.org.uk (tim hall) Date: Wed Nov 15 04:36:54 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] FC2->Fc3->Fc4->Fc5->FC6->FC*: it's crazy! In-Reply-To: <1163559740.11296.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <455A6DA3.6080603@sonaural.com> <1163559740.11296.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <200611150936.41524.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> On Wednesday 15 November 2006 03:02, Dave Robillard was like: > On Tue, 2006-11-14 at 17:30 -0800, Brad Fuller wrote: > > every time there is a new Fedora Core, I usually get around to moving to > > the next version. However, for me, it's a bit of a pain to do because > > you really have to wipe the disc and start all over.. ."upgrading" > > Fedora doesn't really work well. At least for me it doesn't. > > > > Don't you find this a bit irritating? I do. It's not hard, it just seems > > unnecessary. > > > > Are other distros better at upgrading but also provide all of the nice > > features that Fedora does? (there are a lot of audio apps available in > > rpm for Fedora. I just can't spend my time compiling each and every one > > when updates come along.) > > > > What do others do? > > When I get a new computer, I install Debian. > > Once. Yup, seeing as how Brad asked. Same as, I either use the Debian netinst for office machines or the old, but still effective DeMuDi installer for music machines. Either way it's a one-time install and I end up with a workable Debian system. Apt-get really does make upgrading a piece of the proverbial in most cases. I only ever compile stuff out of choice. This is why we put up with all the other crap involved with Debian. ;) -- cheers, tim hall http://glastonburymusic.org.uk/tim We are the people We've been waiting for. From gnome at hawaii.rr.com Wed Nov 15 04:42:20 2006 From: gnome at hawaii.rr.com (david) Date: Wed Nov 15 04:42:40 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Wanted: Singing Capacitor Fix In-Reply-To: References: <20061113170742.807B040B82AA@music.columbia.edu> <455AB3DE.5020708@hawaii.rr.com> Message-ID: <455AE0FC.3020001@hawaii.rr.com> michael@michaelshiloh.com wrote: > > On Tue, 14 Nov 2006, david wrote: > >> Carlo Capocasa wrote: >>> > Funny, I use something similar to heaten my bedroom. :-) >>> >>> LMAO!!! I see what you mean after touching my heatsink. Actually, >>> I'm in >>> the mood for some stir-fried vegetables. I'm also telling the landlady >>> she can take the stove out now. >> >> No, for that you need an Athlon64 FX or an Intel Quad-Core Xeon >> processor. Or an old-school overclocked Athlon of any sort. ;-) > > surely you've all seen the video (youtube i think) of the guy cooking an > egg on a PS2? Nope. Couldn't find it in a quickie YouTube search, either. -- David gnome@hawaii.rr.com authenticity, honesty, community From tech at glastonburymusic.org.uk Wed Nov 15 04:43:14 2006 From: tech at glastonburymusic.org.uk (tim hall) Date: Wed Nov 15 04:44:02 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] FC2->Fc3->Fc4->Fc5->FC6->FC*: it's crazy! In-Reply-To: <455A86CB.10301@sonaural.com> References: <455A6DA3.6080603@sonaural.com> <20061115030328.GA21020@storm.local.network> <455A86CB.10301@sonaural.com> Message-ID: <200611150943.14333.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> On Wednesday 15 November 2006 03:17, Brad Fuller was like: > Forest Bond wrote: > > On Tue, Nov 14, 2006 at 05:30:11PM -0800, Brad Fuller wrote: > >> every time there is a new Fedora Core, I usually get around to moving to > >> the next version. However, for me, it's a bit of a pain to do because > >> you really have to wipe the disc and start all over.. ."upgrading" > >> Fedora doesn't really work well. At least for me it doesn't. > >> > >> Don't you find this a bit irritating? I do. It's not hard, it just seems > >> unnecessary. > > > > I don't know why people tolerate this sort of thing. Debian and Ubuntu > > have _always_ upgraded well for me. These are projects that recognize > > that one of the most important (if not _the_ most important) > > responsibilty of a distribution is dependency management, including > > versioned dependencies through upgrades. > > > > I recently started maintaining a RHEL server at work, and up2date is one > > of the crudest tools I've ever seen. It just barely does anything right > > at all. > > > > I guess I've just been spoiled by apt-get, aptitude, synaptic, > > update-manager, et. al... (And the package maintainers for the > > above-mentioned projects -- package managers need good data to do their > > jobs well). > > Upgrading applications is easy as pie on Fedora, as long as you get the > right repos. I use Smart Manager and it's very nice, once you get it setup. > > My concern is not applications, but the distro itself. If there was a > way to upgrade from FC5 to FC6 using Smart Manager, I'd try it. But, I > didn't know there was a way. I've always had to wipe the disc clean and > start over. I tried upgrading from FC3->FC4 using the CDROMs, but it > never worked quite right. I actually tried a few times. I even tried > FC4->FC5 from the CDROMs. But, always had to start from scratch. Under Debian apt-get dist-upgrade often does the trick, but it's best to comment out all but one main repository for it to work cleanly. You really should hustle the Fedora devs on this issue. -- cheers, tim hall http://glastonburymusic.org.uk/tim We are the people We've been waiting for. From tech at glastonburymusic.org.uk Wed Nov 15 05:03:08 2006 From: tech at glastonburymusic.org.uk (tim hall) Date: Wed Nov 15 05:03:38 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] FC2->Fc3->Fc4->Fc5->FC6->FC*: it's crazy! In-Reply-To: <455A8174.1080900@hawaii.rr.com> References: <455A6DA3.6080603@sonaural.com> <455A7CEF.60801@sonaural.com> <455A8174.1080900@hawaii.rr.com> Message-ID: <200611151003.09594.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> On Wednesday 15 November 2006 02:54, david was like: > I'm planning to check out the Debian Music Distribution (DeMuDi) from > http://www.agnula.org to see how that goes. The AGNULA site that you have listed above contains no current or useful information about DeMuDi. It is really just a placeholder. http://demudi.agnula.org is the useful address. Let me know if there is anything that is not clear. We are happy to discuss any Debian based music system via the AGNULA users mailing list including A/DeMuDi, 64Studio, pure Debian, Musix, UbuntuStudio and others, roughly in order of preference. It's a friendly, low volume list for distro-specific enquiries. -- cheers, tim hall http://glastonburymusic.org.uk/tim We are the people We've been waiting for. From lala.land at freenet.de Wed Nov 15 06:05:04 2006 From: lala.land at freenet.de (lala) Date: Wed Nov 15 06:05:13 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Wanted: Singing Capacitor Fix In-Reply-To: <455AE0FC.3020001@hawaii.rr.com> References: <20061113170742.807B040B82AA@music.columbia.edu> <455AB3DE.5020708@hawaii.rr.com> <455AE0FC.3020001@hawaii.rr.com> Message-ID: <455AF460.9000106@freenet.de> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 david schrieb: > michael@michaelshiloh.com wrote: >> >> On Tue, 14 Nov 2006, david wrote: >> >>> Carlo Capocasa wrote: >>>>> Funny, I use something similar to heaten my bedroom. :-) >>>> >>>> LMAO!!! I see what you mean after touching my heatsink. >>>> Actually, I'm in the mood for some stir-fried vegetables. I'm >>>> also telling the landlady she can take the stove out now. >>> >>> No, for that you need an Athlon64 FX or an Intel Quad-Core Xeon >>> processor. Or an old-school overclocked Athlon of any sort. >>> ;-) >> >> surely you've all seen the video (youtube i think) of the guy >> cooking an egg on a PS2? > > Nope. Couldn't find it in a quickie YouTube search, either. > hmmm want to see this video too :) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFFWvOOh0Sf8rYIKd8RAmV8AKDFJUkZ6xMdUJxhK7bAotRbO3KwlACfW7ak 8KemuhusbNPddE/i8msthso= =Jaxt -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From loki.davison at gmail.com Wed Nov 15 07:21:43 2006 From: loki.davison at gmail.com (Loki Davison) Date: Wed Nov 15 07:22:20 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] FC2->Fc3->Fc4->Fc5->FC6->FC*: it's crazy! In-Reply-To: <20061115042321.GC8547@mccormick.cx> References: <455A6DA3.6080603@sonaural.com> <1163559740.11296.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20061115042321.GC8547@mccormick.cx> Message-ID: On 11/15/06, Chris McCormick wrote: > On Tue, Nov 14, 2006 at 10:02:20PM -0500, Dave Robillard wrote: > > On Tue, 2006-11-14 at 17:30 -0800, Brad Fuller wrote: > > > What do others do? > > > > When I get a new computer, I install Debian. > > > > Once. > > Same here. Coming from Debian it's hard to see what all the upgrading > fuss is about. > > Best, > > Chris. > > ------------------- > chris@mccormick.cx > http://mccormick.cx > same as a Mandriva user. Just urpmi --auto-select after you change to the new mirrors or never change mirrors and run testing. Similar for debian sarge/potato etc changes. I've never had a problem with doing this with mandriva even changing through many kde versions etc. Loki From markknecht at gmail.com Wed Nov 15 08:37:29 2006 From: markknecht at gmail.com (Mark Knecht) Date: Wed Nov 15 08:38:13 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] FC2->Fc3->Fc4->Fc5->FC6->FC*: it's crazy! In-Reply-To: <455AB202.10609@sonaural.com> References: <455A6DA3.6080603@sonaural.com> <5bdc1c8b0611142019s5c1558c5s3a58df7b668c1f6e@mail.gmail.com> <455AB202.10609@sonaural.com> Message-ID: <5bdc1c8b0611150537r551bbb3am183f4548b813c3be@mail.gmail.com> On 11/14/06, Brad Fuller wrote: > Mark Knecht wrote: > > On 11/14/06, Brad Fuller wrote: > >> nd my time compiling each and every one > >> when updates come along.) > >> > >> What do others do? > >> > > > > Gentoo. My longest running machine is 4 years this Thanksgiving. I > > just run emerge -pvDuN once or twice a year and it goes on chugging > > along. My 78 year old dad doesn't even know an upgrade has happened > > unless Evolution or Firefox change the way they look. > > Do you have any problems getting the latest audio apps? (that is, not > compiling, but already packaged) > > brad No problems with that. There is now a maintained 'proaudio' overlay that gives access to pretty much everything I know about. (No promises!) you can find out more about the overlay here: http://proaudio.tuxfamily.org/wiki/index.php?title=Main_Page Please note that Gentoo is a source release distro. Eventually you build *everything* on your system from source code. This means that to initially install the system you starting by downloading a small set of precomiled packages to get the machine to boot and then you compile most everything (in my case Xorg, Gnome, Firefox) you want to run. It's a lot of work but it's been very stable for me. Good luck, Mark From ernst at pulsewidth.ca Wed Nov 15 08:40:05 2006 From: ernst at pulsewidth.ca (Ernie Dulanowsky) Date: Wed Nov 15 08:40:48 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] FC2->Fc3->Fc4->Fc5->FC6->FC*: it's crazy! In-Reply-To: References: <455A6DA3.6080603@sonaural.com> <1163559740.11296.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20061115042321.GC8547@mccormick.cx> Message-ID: <321dfa6a0611150540y58239adep54ec4a67b416f83e@mail.gmail.com> Rather than installing Fedora in its entirety, I've installed BLAG, a nicely done single disk Fedora-based distro. Upgrading from BLAG 30000 (FC3) to BLAG 50002 (FC5) went very well. It's a nice base for Planet CCRMA On 11/15/06, Loki Davison wrote: > On 11/15/06, Chris McCormick wrote: > > On Tue, Nov 14, 2006 at 10:02:20PM -0500, Dave Robillard wrote: > > > On Tue, 2006-11-14 at 17:30 -0800, Brad Fuller wrote: > > > > What do others do? > > > > > > When I get a new computer, I install Debian. > > > > > > Once. > > > > Same here. Coming from Debian it's hard to see what all the upgrading > > fuss is about. > > > > Best, > > > > Chris. > > > > ------------------- > > chris@mccormick.cx > > http://mccormick.cx > > > > same as a Mandriva user. Just urpmi --auto-select after you change to > the new mirrors or never change mirrors and run testing. Similar for > debian sarge/potato etc changes. I've never had a problem with doing > this with mandriva even changing through many kde versions etc. > > Loki > -- "Both Rob and I see sound as shapes. I only have to do this (makes a fist) and he knows what sound I mean". - Autechre ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: Ernie Dulanowsky CCNA CWLSS www.pulsewidth.ca From dubphil at free.fr Wed Nov 15 08:55:50 2006 From: dubphil at free.fr (Dubphil) Date: Wed Nov 15 08:56:28 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] FC2->Fc3->Fc4->Fc5->FC6->FC*: it's crazy! In-Reply-To: <5bdc1c8b0611150537r551bbb3am183f4548b813c3be@mail.gmail.com> References: <455A6DA3.6080603@sonaural.com> <5bdc1c8b0611142019s5c1558c5s3a58df7b668c1f6e@mail.gmail.com> <455AB202.10609@sonaural.com> <5bdc1c8b0611150537r551bbb3am183f4548b813c3be@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <3087.80.124.137.204.1163598950.squirrel@webmail.migratis.net> > Mark Knecht wrote: > and then you compile most everything (in my case Xorg, Gnome, Firefox) you want to run. You should not compile Firefox, just use firefox-bin, it is often updated and it take a lot of time to build. You should not use Gnome for your DAW compilation time is to big and with a lighter window manager you will have better result with your audio stuff (I use window maker). Xorg use a huge time to build, but hopefully it is not often updated. I usually upgrade my Gentoo every month during my sleep. Regards Philippe From jh at brainiac.com Wed Nov 15 08:57:09 2006 From: jh at brainiac.com (Joe Hartley) Date: Wed Nov 15 08:57:25 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] FC2->Fc3->Fc4->Fc5->FC6->FC*: it's crazy! In-Reply-To: References: <455A6DA3.6080603@sonaural.com> <1163559740.11296.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20061115042321.GC8547@mccormick.cx> Message-ID: <20061115085709.e456d0cf.jh@brainiac.com> > > > On Tue, 2006-11-14 at 17:30 -0800, Brad Fuller wrote: > > > > What do others do? I use Fedora/Planet CCRMA in the studio. Being a long-time RedHat user, I know upgrades are fraught with peril. I partition my system in such a way that I can boot multiple versions of Fedora (I currently have 3), and have a minimal home directory that I replicate to each instance, so any Gnome settings that might change from one version to another don't propogate in a way that precludes my dropping back to an older version. Is this a pain? Not for me, I find it pretty flexible. It's been a great butt-saver for me, too. A while back, I installed whatever the latest FC/PC release was, and had awful performance in Jack and Ardour. This was 2 days before I had someone coming in from out of state to do some recording. I trouble-shot as long as I could without success, and a few hours before the session, threw in the towel and booted to the previous version, which had been running rock-solid for me. The session went without a hitch, and afterwards, it took me about 15 minutes to resolve the issue, which as I recall had something to do with IRQs. I wouldn't do it any other way, even if I was using a distribution that was a lot easier to upgrade, because Murphy's always looking over my shoulder, and an upgrade that had always just worked is sure to fail at the most inopportune time. -- ====================================================================== Joe Hartley - UNIX/network Consultant - jh@brainiac.com Without deviation from the norm, "progress" is not possible. - FZappa From markknecht at gmail.com Wed Nov 15 10:17:44 2006 From: markknecht at gmail.com (Mark Knecht) Date: Wed Nov 15 10:17:58 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] FC2->Fc3->Fc4->Fc5->FC6->FC*: it's crazy! In-Reply-To: <3087.80.124.137.204.1163598950.squirrel@webmail.migratis.net> References: <455A6DA3.6080603@sonaural.com> <5bdc1c8b0611142019s5c1558c5s3a58df7b668c1f6e@mail.gmail.com> <455AB202.10609@sonaural.com> <5bdc1c8b0611150537r551bbb3am183f4548b813c3be@mail.gmail.com> <3087.80.124.137.204.1163598950.squirrel@webmail.migratis.net> Message-ID: <5bdc1c8b0611150717v419a727cx129bc2ba86e47721@mail.gmail.com> My, aren't you opinionated about how I should spend my time. On 11/15/06, Dubphil wrote: > > Mark Knecht wrote: > > and then you compile most everything (in my case Xorg, Gnome, Firefox) > you want to run. > > You should not compile Firefox, just use firefox-bin, it is often updated > and it take a lot of time to build. I don't care actually. I use both firefox & firefox-bin for different things. (Java issues mostly) Both are on my system. > You should not use Gnome for your DAW compilation time is to big and with > a lighter window manager you will have better result with your audio stuff > (I use window maker). I've been running Jack at 64/2 under Gnome for probably 6-12 months without an xrun. How much better might you suggest it could get? If your machine cannot run jack at 64/2 running Gnome then possibly there is something you need to improve. I have no problems here running Gnome, KDE, fluxbox or fvwm. All work great. Jack works great. > Xorg use a huge time to build, but hopefully it is not often updated. True, but since Brad was asking about other distros I felt it relavant to talk about what it's *really* like to get Gentoo up and running the first time. If he was to try it out, having been a long-time Fedora Core user, and if he was unprepared for the initial time sink to get it really working, then he might be disappointed. I do agree that it's reasonable to build something light like fluxbox as an initial X environment. If that's all you want then that's all you have to build. That way the machine is usable prior to building the whole Gnome type monster environment. However my experience says there is no reason to worry about Gnome these days if that's an environment you want to run. Works great here. > > I usually upgrade my Gentoo every month during my sleep. > If it's done in your sleep then how do you make choices about what to install? I do my upgrades during the day in a background screen session while I'm using my Gentoo box. Typically I update things here about once a week but hold off large upgrades, like Gnome-2.14 to 2.16 until a weekend when I'm not that busy. Anyway, Gentoo is about choice. We all get to choose what works best for us. No reason for you to take such a strident position telling me that I shouldn't do something. The world is fine no matter which way someone does all this stuff. - Mark From brad at sonaural.com Wed Nov 15 10:30:20 2006 From: brad at sonaural.com (Brad Fuller) Date: Wed Nov 15 10:31:01 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] FC2->Fc3->Fc4->Fc5->FC6->FC*: it's crazy! In-Reply-To: <5bdc1c8b0611150537r551bbb3am183f4548b813c3be@mail.gmail.com> References: <455A6DA3.6080603@sonaural.com> <5bdc1c8b0611142019s5c1558c5s3a58df7b668c1f6e@mail.gmail.com> <455AB202.10609@sonaural.com> <5bdc1c8b0611150537r551bbb3am183f4548b813c3be@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <455B328C.8090002@sonaural.com> Mark Knecht wrote: > On 11/14/06, Brad Fuller wrote: >> Do you have any problems getting the latest audio apps? (that is, not >> compiling, but already packaged) > No problems with that. There is now a maintained 'proaudio' overlay > that gives access to pretty much everything I know about. (No > promises!) you can find out more about the overlay here: > > http://proaudio.tuxfamily.org/wiki/index.php?title=Main_Page > > Please note that Gentoo is a source release distro. Eventually you > build *everything* on your system from source code. This means that to > initially install the system you starting by downloading a small set > of precomiled packages to get the machine to boot and then you compile > most everything (in my case Xorg, Gnome, Firefox) you want to run. > > It's a lot of work but it's been very stable for me. Thanks Mark, I'll check it out. How long does it take to start from scratch? I have an P4 1.8 that I'd try it on. Then, how long does it take from start (from the small set you mentioned) to a full DAW? Also, what is your experience with full distro upgrades? You say you do minor upgrades while working during the day. Can you really do real-time audio work while upgrading? I have to admit, it sounds like a lot of crunching. What kind of problems do you run into? My biggest complaint for running from source, as anyone would attest, is the dependencies - secondary sources that I have to find and compiles. When finally found, you have to compile, and then there may be yet another problem with the dependency! This could be a continuous problem, as you probably very well know. Is this reasonably accommodated with Gentoo (like using a package manager)? thanks, brad (are you running MythTV on Gentoo?) From cucullin at wtfisthat.net Wed Nov 15 08:12:42 2006 From: cucullin at wtfisthat.net (Joseph M. Gaffney) Date: Wed Nov 15 10:44:09 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] FC2->Fc3->Fc4->Fc5->FC6->FC*: it's crazy! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200611150812.42858.cucullin@wtfisthat.net> On Wednesday 15 November 2006 02:30, Renick Bell wrote: > > > Do you have any problems getting the latest audio apps? (that is, not > > > compiling, but already packaged) > > > > I thought the entire philosophy of Gentoo was To Compile? > > Somewhat true, but at least the package manager is taking care of that > for you. People make way too big of a deal about compile times. On a > decent modern machine, you won't be waiting that long before you can > use an app you have just emerged. > > Audio on Gentoo is getting nicer by the day as a result of the rapidly > expanding ProAudio overlay: > > http://proaudio.tuxfamily.org/wiki/index.php?title=Main_Page You know, I'm actually quite glad all of this was brought up. I'm building out a pretty hefty system within the next few weeks (I'm moving now, so it depends on how this all goes), and I'll need the latest and greatest. I'm also a KDE guy, as I mentioned, and prefer a distribution that puts its polish time there. Because of that, I've been considering Kubuntu, Slackware, Gentoo, and LFS. LFS being my last possible choice. I've used Gentoo, but my innate desire to constantly update to the latest and greatest means compiling fairly often, and it can be irritating sometimes :) However, considering the machine I'm building, I may just go that route - I think a core 2 duo with plenty of ram behind it will do very well with build times. Thanks for the link, I'll be checking it out in greater detail once I get into the office today... -Joseph M. Gaffney aka CuCullin From jack.oquin at gmail.com Wed Nov 15 11:15:04 2006 From: jack.oquin at gmail.com (Jack O'Quin) Date: Wed Nov 15 11:15:13 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Realtime not working on Debian testing... why? In-Reply-To: <1163563936.14674.72.camel@mindpipe> References: <20061114190811.366c0fd1@notebook.chaosbringer.de> <455A4995.5000604@mzilikazix.org> <1163545874.14674.60.camel@mindpipe> <20061115035442.372c7af9.dplist@free.fr> <1163563936.14674.72.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: On 11/14/06, Lee Revell wrote: > On Wed, 2006-11-15 at 03:54 +0100, David wrote: > > But there would be no point in using the realtime LSM or the RT rlimit > > on a non RT kernel. True ? > > No, not true. Normal kernels can run realtime applications too. They > just don't perform as well. Right. And vanilla kernels perform well enough for most audio applications to work just fine. At this point, the RT kernel patch is really only necessary for squeezing out very low latency. One could argue that RT kernels should provide more reliable realtime operation (fewer glitches), but this must be balanced against the extra risk of running a non-standard kernel. Which is *actually* more reliable can best be determined by testing your own applications on your own system. -- joq From atte.jensen at gmail.com Wed Nov 15 11:15:33 2006 From: atte.jensen at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Atte_Andr=E9_Jensen?=) Date: Wed Nov 15 11:16:00 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Realtime not working on Debian testing... why? In-Reply-To: <1163545874.14674.60.camel@mindpipe> References: <20061114190811.366c0fd1@notebook.chaosbringer.de> <455A4995.5000604@mzilikazix.org> <1163545874.14674.60.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <455B3D25.9010600@gmail.com> Lee Revell wrote: > The point of realtime preemption is to improve realtime performance. > The point of PAM and RT limits and the realtime LSM is to allow non-root > users to run realtime applications. Where can I read about the two, and what steps should be taken in setting them up on a debian system? -- peace, love & harmony Atte http://www.atte.dk | quintet: http://www.anagrammer.dk | compositions: http://www.atte.dk/compositions From dubphil at free.fr Wed Nov 15 11:15:34 2006 From: dubphil at free.fr (Dubphil) Date: Wed Nov 15 11:16:10 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] FC2->Fc3->Fc4->Fc5->FC6->FC*: it's crazy! In-Reply-To: <5bdc1c8b0611150717v419a727cx129bc2ba86e47721@mail.gmail.com> References: <455A6DA3.6080603@sonaural.com> <5bdc1c8b0611142019s5c1558c5s3a58df7b668c1f6e@mail.gmail.com> <455AB202.10609@sonaural.com> <5bdc1c8b0611150537r551bbb3am183f4548b813c3be@mail.gmail.com> <3087.80.124.137.204.1163598950.squirrel@webmail.migratis.net> <5bdc1c8b0611150717v419a727cx129bc2ba86e47721@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <2164.80.124.137.204.1163607334.squirrel@webmail.migratis.net> > My, aren't you opinionated about how I should spend my time. hey Mark ! that was not oriented to you, it was an advice directed to Brad in order to let him start with lower compil time. I totaly agree with you about what you choose to compil or not after beeing convinced by the gentoo Philosophy and having time to do it. Sorry again to have been so much unclear on who those advices were directed. Best regards Philippe From michael at michaelshiloh.com Wed Nov 15 11:47:49 2006 From: michael at michaelshiloh.com (michael@michaelshiloh.com) Date: Wed Nov 15 11:59:25 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Wanted: Singing Capacitor Fix In-Reply-To: <455AF460.9000106@freenet.de> References: <20061113170742.807B040B82AA@music.columbia.edu> <455AB3DE.5020708@hawaii.rr.com> <455AE0FC.3020001@hawaii.rr.com> <455AF460.9000106@freenet.de> Message-ID: On Wed, 15 Nov 2006, lala wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > david schrieb: >> michael@michaelshiloh.com wrote: >>> >>> On Tue, 14 Nov 2006, david wrote: >>> >>>> Carlo Capocasa wrote: >>>>>> Funny, I use something similar to heaten my bedroom. :-) >>>>> >>>>> LMAO!!! I see what you mean after touching my heatsink. >>>>> Actually, I'm in the mood for some stir-fried vegetables. I'm >>>>> also telling the landlady she can take the stove out now. >>>> >>>> No, for that you need an Athlon64 FX or an Intel Quad-Core Xeon >>>> processor. Or an old-school overclocked Athlon of any sort. >>>> ;-) >>> >>> surely you've all seen the video (youtube i think) of the guy >>> cooking an egg on a PS2? >> >> Nope. Couldn't find it in a quickie YouTube search, either. >> > hmmm want to see this video too :) my mistake. it was an xbox, not a PS2. still funny, and still really cooks an egg: http://www.joystiq.com/2006/10/31/xbox-360-cooks-a-fine-scambled-egg/ From rlrevell at joe-job.com Wed Nov 15 12:09:44 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Wed Nov 15 12:11:09 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] fxload and Midisport firmware In-Reply-To: <1163579210.7983.275862981@webmail.messagingengine.com> References: <455ACA13.7020605@andrei.myip.org> <1163579210.7983.275862981@webmail.messagingengine.com> Message-ID: <1163610585.14674.127.camel@mindpipe> On Wed, 2006-11-15 at 09:26 +0100, Clemens Ladisch wrote: > Florin Andrei wrote: > > I upgraded to Fedora 6 and now I want to reinstall the firmware for my > > M-Audio Midisport 4x4 interface: > > > > configure: error: /sbin/fxload not found; please install the fxload > > package first > > > > The problem is, fxload is not included in FC6 and I think I remember > > even with FC5 it was deprecated. > > Ask the FC guys why they did this. > Probably because drivers are supposed to use request_firmware() interface now. Lee From rlrevell at joe-job.com Wed Nov 15 12:11:11 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Wed Nov 15 12:12:42 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] snd card now not working. apparently slipped from Card 1 to Card 0. In-Reply-To: <200611150915.43280.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> References: <455A242D.6060803@sonaural.com> <1163536082.14674.50.camel@mindpipe> <200611150915.43280.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> Message-ID: <1163610672.14674.130.camel@mindpipe> On Wed, 2006-11-15 at 09:15 +0000, tim hall wrote: > On Tuesday 14 November 2006 20:28, Lee Revell was like: > > It does work, it's just card 0 now. What aplay command line are you > > using? Do you have an .asoundrc? You shouldn't. > > Are you saying that having a .asoundrc is _definitely_ counter-productive, or > simply that it is not required? A pointer to whatever discussion I've missed > will be sufficient. .asoundrc is not required for normal use. Many people seem to believe they need to "configure their soundcard" via .asoundrc to make it work. This used to be required for dmix, but since ALSA 1.0.9 it should work by default. Read the alsa-devel archives. Lee From rlrevell at joe-job.com Wed Nov 15 12:12:49 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Wed Nov 15 12:14:22 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] FC2->Fc3->Fc4->Fc5->FC6->FC*: it's crazy! In-Reply-To: <200611150943.14333.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> References: <455A6DA3.6080603@sonaural.com> <20061115030328.GA21020@storm.local.network> <455A86CB.10301@sonaural.com> <200611150943.14333.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> Message-ID: <1163610770.14674.134.camel@mindpipe> On Wed, 2006-11-15 at 09:43 +0000, tim hall wrote: > Under Debian apt-get dist-upgrade often does the trick, but it's best > to comment out all but one main repository for it to work cleanly. You > really should hustle the Fedora devs on this issue. I doubt they'll fix it. Fedora is first and foremost a test bed for Red Hat Enterprise Linux. User needs are secondary to those of Red Hat. Lee From rlrevell at joe-job.com Wed Nov 15 12:14:20 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Wed Nov 15 12:15:38 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Realtime not working on Debian testing... why? In-Reply-To: <455B3D25.9010600@gmail.com> References: <20061114190811.366c0fd1@notebook.chaosbringer.de> <455A4995.5000604@mzilikazix.org> <1163545874.14674.60.camel@mindpipe> <455B3D25.9010600@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1163610861.14674.136.camel@mindpipe> On Wed, 2006-11-15 at 17:15 +0100, Atte Andr? Jensen wrote: > Lee Revell wrote: > > > The point of realtime preemption is to improve realtime performance. > > The point of PAM and RT limits and the realtime LSM is to allow non-root > > users to run realtime applications. > > Where can I read about the two, and what steps should be taken in > setting them up on a debian system? > LAU archives. This has been covered over and over and over and over. Lee From _ at whats-your.name Wed Nov 15 12:15:56 2006 From: _ at whats-your.name (carmen) Date: Wed Nov 15 12:17:44 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] FC2->Fc3->Fc4->Fc5->FC6->FC*: it's crazy! In-Reply-To: <2164.80.124.137.204.1163607334.squirrel@webmail.migratis.net> References: <455A6DA3.6080603@sonaural.com> <5bdc1c8b0611142019s5c1558c5s3a58df7b668c1f6e@mail.gmail.com> <455AB202.10609@sonaural.com> <5bdc1c8b0611150537r551bbb3am183f4548b813c3be@mail.gmail.com> <3087.80.124.137.204.1163598950.squirrel@webmail.migratis.net> <5bdc1c8b0611150717v419a727cx129bc2ba86e47721@mail.gmail.com> <2164.80.124.137.204.1163607334.squirrel@webmail.migratis.net> Message-ID: <20061115171556.GB30333@replic.net> > hey Mark ! that was not oriented to you, it was an advice directed to Brad > in order to let him start with lower compil time. I totaly agree with you on a single-core 2ghz cpu, dwm takes about 2 seconds to compile. pd, muttng, irssi, postfix, alsa each take about 30 seconds to a minute. the biggest thing is proably X (20 mins or so) and firefox (20 mins or so). theres no reason you cant have a fully working gentoo installed and configged from source in an hour. less on a dual-core.. C++ with lots of templates takes forever to compile. this includes patchage/ingen, ardour, kde/gnome, etc.. ardour clocks in at around 30 minutes of compiling.. > > Best regards > > Philippe > > > From brad at sonaural.com Wed Nov 15 12:57:19 2006 From: brad at sonaural.com (Brad Fuller) Date: Wed Nov 15 12:57:31 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Monitor your Linux computer with machine-generated music Message-ID: <455B54FF.30004@sonaural.com> this article was on slashdot today http://www-128.ibm.com/developerworks/opensource/library/os-linuxmusic/ From steiner at block4.com Wed Nov 15 13:24:05 2006 From: steiner at block4.com (Malte Steiner) Date: Wed Nov 15 13:24:36 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Monitor your Linux computer with machine-generated music In-Reply-To: <455B54FF.30004@sonaural.com> References: <455B54FF.30004@sonaural.com> Message-ID: <455B5B45.1070202@block4.com> Brad Fuller wrote: > this article was on slashdot today > > http://www-128.ibm.com/developerworks/opensource/library/os-linuxmusic/ > > the singing capacitor in software :) -- Malte Steiner media art + development -www.block4.com- From rob at curates-egg.org Wed Nov 15 13:39:33 2006 From: rob at curates-egg.org (Rob Fell) Date: Wed Nov 15 13:40:02 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] FC2->Fc3->Fc4->Fc5->FC6->FC*: it's crazy! In-Reply-To: <455B328C.8090002@sonaural.com> References: <455A6DA3.6080603@sonaural.com> <5bdc1c8b0611142019s5c1558c5s3a58df7b668c1f6e@mail.gmail.com> <455AB202.10609@sonaural.com> <5bdc1c8b0611150537r551bbb3am183f4548b813c3be@mail.gmail.com> <455B328C.8090002@sonaural.com> Message-ID: <455B5EE5.9040305@curates-egg.org> Brad Fuller wrote: > Also, what is your experience with full distro upgrades? Gentoo doesn't really work like that. You can update any part of the system you want, whenever you want to (provided dependents build ok). > You say you do minor upgrades while working during the day. Can you > really do real-time audio work while upgrading? My box is rather old and slow these days (hence I routinely run large latency), but there's no reason why not - provided you have all the necessary RT patches, realtime privileges etc setup properly. > I have to admit, it sounds like a lot of crunching. What kind of > problems do you run into? My biggest complaint for running from source, > as anyone would attest, is the dependencies - secondary sources that I > have to find and compiles. When finally found, you have to compile, > and then there may be yet another problem with the dependency! This Gentoo takes care of merging the dependents into the system (it's rather similar to apt-get etc). Of course there are sometimes problems, but you'll usually find the answer on the forums. > could be a continuous problem, as you probably very well know. Is this > reasonably accommodated with Gentoo (like using a package manager)? I'd be happy to take this off list since this is getting a little Gentoo specific. Invite others :) R From florin at andrei.myip.org Wed Nov 15 13:43:32 2006 From: florin at andrei.myip.org (Florin Andrei) Date: Wed Nov 15 13:43:53 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Monitor your Linux computer with machine-generated music In-Reply-To: <455B54FF.30004@sonaural.com> References: <455B54FF.30004@sonaural.com> Message-ID: <455B5FD4.901@andrei.myip.org> Brad Fuller wrote: > this article was on slashdot today > > http://www-128.ibm.com/developerworks/opensource/library/os-linuxmusic/ Very interesting, but the zip archive at the end of the article seems corrupted. -- Florin Andrei http://florin.myip.org/ From pedro.lopez.cabanillas at gmail.com Wed Nov 15 14:04:44 2006 From: pedro.lopez.cabanillas at gmail.com (Pedro Lopez-Cabanillas) Date: Wed Nov 15 14:05:01 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] fxload and Midisport firmware In-Reply-To: <20061115171119.393CA417E8D2@music.columbia.edu> References: <20061115171119.393CA417E8D2@music.columbia.edu> Message-ID: <200611152004.45032.pedro.lopez.cabanillas@gmail.com> On Wednesday, 15 November 2006 12:09:44 -0500, Lee Revell wrote: > On Wed, 2006-11-15 at 09:26 +0100, Clemens Ladisch wrote: > > Florin Andrei wrote: > > > I upgraded to Fedora 6 and now I want to reinstall the firmware for my > > > M-Audio Midisport 4x4 interface: > > > > > > configure: error: /sbin/fxload not found; please install the fxload > > > package first > > > > > > The problem is, fxload is not included in FC6 and I think I remember > > > even with FC5 it was deprecated. > > > > Ask the FC guys why they did this. > > Probably because drivers are supposed to use request_firmware() > interface now. Midisport devices are EZ-USB devices, based on the AN2131 chips manufactured by Cypress (formerly Anchor Chips) [1]. These devices use a special protocol to transfer the firmware using a USB control endpoint. For this device was designed fxload [2] as an userspace tool. It is both convenient and reliable. Several years ago, there was a kernel driver named ezusb2131 [3] which has been abandoned. Quoting his author: "There is no need to port this driver to the 2.6 kernel, another method for downloading EZUSB2131 boards in the 2.6 kernel (see fxload section)". fxload has served us in the past with the help of hotplug, and it works now with udev, too. A solution using request_firmware() would need perhaps a kernel driver to transfer the firmware, in a similar way to the old ezusb2131, and I don't see an advantage. On the other hand, it would require the ALSA USB kernel driver to know the firmware file name for every USB MIDI or audio device based on the EZ-USB chip. I would like to reminder you that for some Midisport devices: Midisport 1x1, 2x2 and also some Steinberg model, there is a GPL libre firmware named ezusbmidi [4] that can be used instead of the M-Audio proprietary files. [1] http://www.cypress.com/ [2] http://linux-hotplug.sourceforge.net/?selected=usb [3] http://ezusb2131.sourceforge.net/ [4] http://downloads.sourceforge.net/linux-hotplug/firmwarehotplug-0.1.tar.gz Regards, Pedro From capocasa at gmx.net Wed Nov 15 14:24:24 2006 From: capocasa at gmx.net (Carlo Capocasa) Date: Wed Nov 15 14:25:29 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Wanted: Singing Capacitor Fix In-Reply-To: References: <20061113170742.807B040B82AA@music.columbia.edu> <455AB3DE.5020708@hawaii.rr.com> <455AE0FC.3020001@hawaii.rr.com> <455AF460.9000106@freenet.de> Message-ID: Hey, how come I don't get replies like this when I want people to solve my problems? michael@michaelshiloh.com schrieb: > > > On Wed, 15 Nov 2006, lala wrote: > >> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >> Hash: SHA1 >> >> david schrieb: >>> michael@michaelshiloh.com wrote: >>>> >>>> On Tue, 14 Nov 2006, david wrote: >>>> >>>>> Carlo Capocasa wrote: >>>>>>> Funny, I use something similar to heaten my bedroom. :-) >>>>>> >>>>>> LMAO!!! I see what you mean after touching my heatsink. >>>>>> Actually, I'm in the mood for some stir-fried vegetables. I'm >>>>>> also telling the landlady she can take the stove out now. >>>>> >>>>> No, for that you need an Athlon64 FX or an Intel Quad-Core Xeon >>>>> processor. Or an old-school overclocked Athlon of any sort. >>>>> ;-) >>>> >>>> surely you've all seen the video (youtube i think) of the guy >>>> cooking an egg on a PS2? >>> >>> Nope. Couldn't find it in a quickie YouTube search, either. >>> >> hmmm want to see this video too :) > > my mistake. it was an xbox, not a PS2. still funny, and still really > cooks an > egg: > > http://www.joystiq.com/2006/10/31/xbox-360-cooks-a-fine-scambled-egg/ > From capocasa at gmx.net Wed Nov 15 14:32:11 2006 From: capocasa at gmx.net (Carlo Capocasa) Date: Wed Nov 15 14:32:33 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Wanted: Singing Capacitor Fix In-Reply-To: <455AB3DE.5020708@hawaii.rr.com> References: <20061113170742.807B040B82AA@music.columbia.edu> <455AB3DE.5020708@hawaii.rr.com> Message-ID: > No, for that you need an Athlon64 FX or an Intel Quad-Core Xeon > processor. Or an old-school overclocked Athlon of any sort. ;-) Quad Core Xeon. That makes me drool as much as it makes me hot. From dplist at free.fr Wed Nov 15 14:52:02 2006 From: dplist at free.fr (David) Date: Wed Nov 15 14:52:10 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Realtime not working on Debian testing... why? In-Reply-To: References: <20061114190811.366c0fd1@notebook.chaosbringer.de> <455A4995.5000604@mzilikazix.org> <1163545874.14674.60.camel@mindpipe> <20061115035442.372c7af9.dplist@free.fr> <1163563936.14674.72.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <20061115205202.a15ae258.dplist@free.fr> On Wed, 15 Nov 2006 10:15:04 -0600 "Jack O'Quin" wrote: > On 11/14/06, Lee Revell wrote: > > On Wed, 2006-11-15 at 03:54 +0100, David wrote: > > > > But there would be no point in using the realtime LSM or the RT > > > rlimit on a non RT kernel. True ? > > > > No, not true. Normal kernels can run realtime applications too. > > They just don't perform as well. > > Right. And vanilla kernels perform well enough for most audio > applications to work just fine. At this point, the RT kernel patch > is really only necessary for squeezing out very low latency. > > One could argue that RT kernels should provide more reliable > realtime operation (fewer glitches), but this must be balanced > against the extra risk of running a non-standard kernel. Which > is *actually* more reliable can best be determined by testing > your own applications on your own system. Thank you Lee and Jack. -- David. From nando at ccrma.Stanford.EDU Wed Nov 15 15:32:18 2006 From: nando at ccrma.Stanford.EDU (Fernando Lopez-Lezcano) Date: Wed Nov 15 15:32:33 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] FC2->Fc3->Fc4->Fc5->FC6->FC*: it's crazy! In-Reply-To: <455A7CEF.60801@sonaural.com> References: <455A6DA3.6080603@sonaural.com> <200611142034.23222.cucullin@wtfisthat.net> <455A7001.8090706@sonaural.com> <200611142114.38007.cucullin@wtfisthat.net> <455A7CEF.60801@sonaural.com> Message-ID: <1163622738.8307.21.camel@cmn3.stanford.edu> On Tue, 2006-11-14 at 18:35 -0800, Brad Fuller wrote: > Joseph M. Gaffney wrote: > > > >> What's the difference? Couldn't I just keep FC5 and not go to FC6, for > >> example. Yes, that is surely an option. I would not jump to fc6 right away... (specially if you want/need the full Planet CCRMA experience which is not available yet). It is possible to upgrade from fcn to fcn+1 using just yum (if you have enough disk space and network bandwidth). I usually install from scratch but it is possible. There some stuff here: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/YumUpgradeFaq Another link: http://www.brandonhutchinson.com/Upgrading_Red_Hat_Linux_with_yum.html I should have a Planet CCRMA specific "pitalls on upgrade" guide, it should not be surprising that I have not had the time to do that yet :-) What I would basically do is to record the packages installed prior to the upgrade and then after the dust settles see what remains of the old system and delete and/or upgrade those bits and pieces. Most probably stock installs would upgrade fairly easy but the process gets more complex as you start adding external packages. Should be fairly easy to script given time... > Or, does CentOS have an easy upgrade path? > > > > CentOS is simply RHEL (which is based on Fedora), and is supported for longer > > than FC, but by the CentOS developers and contributors. > > > Now I remember, it's an enterprise version based on RHEL. However, I > don't know how much of Fedora is in RHEL. RHEL was started years before > Fedora. I imagine there is some, but doesn't Redhat pick and choose what > to put in. Besides, it's built for the enterprise, and stability as you > say. > As their site says: > CentOS-4 is a freely distributable OS built from the source at: > ftp://ftp.redhat.com/pub/redhat/linux/enterprise/4/en/os/i386/SRPMS > > To me, that sounds like it would be a couple of steps back from FC. It is a tradeoff between stability and being up to date on the latest basic libraries. I'm not yet building on top of anything but Fedora Core. -- Fernando From florin at andrei.myip.org Wed Nov 15 15:46:58 2006 From: florin at andrei.myip.org (Florin Andrei) Date: Wed Nov 15 15:47:17 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Monitor your Linux computer with machine-generated music In-Reply-To: <455B5FD4.901@andrei.myip.org> References: <455B54FF.30004@sonaural.com> <455B5FD4.901@andrei.myip.org> Message-ID: <455B7CC2.1090309@andrei.myip.org> Florin Andrei wrote: > Brad Fuller wrote: >> this article was on slashdot today >> >> http://www-128.ibm.com/developerworks/opensource/library/os-linuxmusic/ > > Very interesting, but the zip archive at the end of the article seems > corrupted. The author of the article indicated that the archive is really a tar.gz It was renamed to .zip due to limitations of the developerworks website. I renamed it back to .tar.gz and was able to unpack it. -- Florin Andrei http://florin.myip.org/ From pw_lists at slinkp.com Wed Nov 15 15:49:32 2006 From: pw_lists at slinkp.com (Paul Winkler) Date: Wed Nov 15 15:49:55 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] FC2->Fc3->Fc4->Fc5->FC6->FC*: it's crazy! In-Reply-To: <455B5EE5.9040305@curates-egg.org> References: <455A6DA3.6080603@sonaural.com> <5bdc1c8b0611142019s5c1558c5s3a58df7b668c1f6e@mail.gmail.com> <455AB202.10609@sonaural.com> <5bdc1c8b0611150537r551bbb3am183f4548b813c3be@mail.gmail.com> <455B328C.8090002@sonaural.com> <455B5EE5.9040305@curates-egg.org> Message-ID: <20061115204932.GA10669@slinkp.com> On Wed, Nov 15, 2006 at 06:39:33PM +0000, Rob Fell wrote: > >I have to admit, it sounds like a lot of crunching. What kind of > >problems do you run into? * occasional major system upgrades (eg. major version of gcc or glibc, or the modular x.org transition) take a lot of time to compile since you may have to rebuild pretty much everything at least once. and in some cases a fair amount of fixing outdated config files. These are rare. Only really a problem if something fails part way through and you have to figure out how to proceed. Yes, that's happened to me. I've always found a solution on forums.gentoo.org. * occasionally dependencies get wedged where you have to remove a package before an upgrade, finish the upgrade, then reinstall the thing you removed. * the etc-update script isn't particularly user friendly (but god it's a million times better than having no help at all) * changing your mind about architecture is a pain. I built my current amd64 desktop with everything compiled 64-bit. Mistake. I haven't switched back yet because I haven't found the time to back up my data and start over. Normally people don't have that problem... I should've paid more attention before starting this particular install :) * occasionally you stumble on a bug where foo version X is incompatible with bar version Y but the ebuilds haven't been updated to avoid that problem yet. this means a trip to the search bar on forums.gentoo.org to find a workaround. * the gentoo proaudio ebuild is a bit bleeding-edge and occasionally new stuff doesn't work right away ... people are pretty on top of it though, it's a lively community. * I've still not found a no-hassle way to set up a roaming laptop. When I go somewhere new I end up using wifi-radar to see what's available and then end up manually configuring the new access point. That's about it. I've been mostly happy with gentoo for a couple years now. Upgrading does eat a little more of my time than I'd like, but I have never used a distro where that wasn't the case, and at with Gentoo there's a lot more control over what you do and don't get installed. -- Paul Winkler http://www.slinkp.com From gnome at hawaii.rr.com Wed Nov 15 15:58:11 2006 From: gnome at hawaii.rr.com (david) Date: Wed Nov 15 15:58:22 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Wanted: Singing Capacitor Fix In-Reply-To: References: <20061113170742.807B040B82AA@music.columbia.edu> <455AB3DE.5020708@hawaii.rr.com> <455AE0FC.3020001@hawaii.rr.com> <455AF460.9000106@freenet.de> Message-ID: <455B7F63.3010805@hawaii.rr.com> michael@michaelshiloh.com wrote: > > > On Wed, 15 Nov 2006, lala wrote: > >> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >> Hash: SHA1 >> >> david schrieb: >>> michael@michaelshiloh.com wrote: >>>> >>>> On Tue, 14 Nov 2006, david wrote: >>>> >>>>> Carlo Capocasa wrote: >>>>>>> Funny, I use something similar to heaten my bedroom. :-) >>>>>> >>>>>> LMAO!!! I see what you mean after touching my heatsink. >>>>>> Actually, I'm in the mood for some stir-fried vegetables. I'm >>>>>> also telling the landlady she can take the stove out now. >>>>> >>>>> No, for that you need an Athlon64 FX or an Intel Quad-Core Xeon >>>>> processor. Or an old-school overclocked Athlon of any sort. >>>>> ;-) >>>> >>>> surely you've all seen the video (youtube i think) of the guy >>>> cooking an egg on a PS2? >>> >>> Nope. Couldn't find it in a quickie YouTube search, either. >>> >> hmmm want to see this video too :) > > my mistake. it was an xbox, not a PS2. still funny, and still really > cooks an > egg: > > http://www.joystiq.com/2006/10/31/xbox-360-cooks-a-fine-scambled-egg/ Some people have the nerve to blame global warming on overuse of hydrocarbons, when it's all really due to the proliferation of new, fast processors ... ;-) Thanks! -- David gnome@hawaii.rr.com authenticity, honesty, community From gnome at hawaii.rr.com Wed Nov 15 15:59:57 2006 From: gnome at hawaii.rr.com (david) Date: Wed Nov 15 16:00:31 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Wanted: Singing Capacitor Fix In-Reply-To: References: <20061113170742.807B040B82AA@music.columbia.edu> <455AB3DE.5020708@hawaii.rr.com> <455AE0FC.3020001@hawaii.rr.com> <455AF460.9000106@freenet.de> Message-ID: <455B7FCD.6080103@hawaii.rr.com> Because solving problems is hard work and cooking eggs on computer chips is easy fun? ;-) Carlo Capocasa wrote: > Hey, how come I don't get replies like this when I want people to solve > my problems? > > michael@michaelshiloh.com schrieb: >> >> On Wed, 15 Nov 2006, lala wrote: >> >>> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >>> Hash: SHA1 >>> >>> david schrieb: >>>> michael@michaelshiloh.com wrote: >>>>> On Tue, 14 Nov 2006, david wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Carlo Capocasa wrote: >>>>>>>> Funny, I use something similar to heaten my bedroom. :-) >>>>>>> LMAO!!! I see what you mean after touching my heatsink. >>>>>>> Actually, I'm in the mood for some stir-fried vegetables. I'm >>>>>>> also telling the landlady she can take the stove out now. >>>>>> No, for that you need an Athlon64 FX or an Intel Quad-Core Xeon >>>>>> processor. Or an old-school overclocked Athlon of any sort. >>>>>> ;-) >>>>> surely you've all seen the video (youtube i think) of the guy >>>>> cooking an egg on a PS2? >>>> Nope. Couldn't find it in a quickie YouTube search, either. >>>> >>> hmmm want to see this video too :) >> my mistake. it was an xbox, not a PS2. still funny, and still really >> cooks an >> egg: >> >> http://www.joystiq.com/2006/10/31/xbox-360-cooks-a-fine-scambled-egg/ >> > -- David gnome@hawaii.rr.com authenticity, honesty, community From yves at jazzcomputer.org Wed Nov 15 16:01:52 2006 From: yves at jazzcomputer.org (Yves Potin) Date: Wed Nov 15 16:02:43 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] FC2->Fc3->Fc4->Fc5->FC6->FC*: it's crazy! In-Reply-To: <455B328C.8090002@sonaural.com> References: <455A6DA3.6080603@sonaural.com> <5bdc1c8b0611142019s5c1558c5s3a58df7b668c1f6e@mail.gmail.com> <455AB202.10609@sonaural.com> <5bdc1c8b0611150537r551bbb3am183f4548b813c3be@mail.gmail.com> <455B328C.8090002@sonaural.com> Message-ID: <20061115210152.GG25445@localhost> Le 15 Nov ? 07:30, Brad Fuller ecrivait: > > It's a lot of work but it's been very stable for me. > Thanks Mark, I'll check it out. How long does it take to start from > scratch? I have an P4 1.8 that I'd try it on. > Then, how long does it take from start (from the small set you > mentioned) to a full DAW? Hi, I take permission to respond to share antother experience with gentoo :). If you absolutely don't know gentoo, with a barely solid knowledge of a linux system, I would say you'd need more or less one day to get a working system (with ardour and MuSE, and other smaller audio apps). You need to know how to compile a kernel (and patch it for real time of course). Gentoo docs are really well written, and you need to read them when installing, especially the handbook. http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/?catid=install (there are many translations). Install the pro-audio overlay, as it was said, before installing any audio software or you'll need to recompile mostly all of them. http://proaudio.tuxfamily.org/wiki/index.php?title=Main_Page > Also, what is your experience with full distro upgrades? Absolutely no problem when upgrading from 2006.0 to 2006.1, there was just a trick to get rezound working again. Someone indicated me that trick here, in less than a hour if I remember well :). > You say you do minor upgrades while working during the day. Can you > really do real-time audio work while upgrading? Yes. I have real time without xrun while compiling GCC, which last for more than half an hour, like I did yesterday. But it's the same with other very large source codes like QT or X. I check for updates everyday, and I'm a very happy gentoo user after some years with Debian. > I have to admit, it sounds like a lot of crunching. What kind of > problems do you run into? My biggest complaint for running from source, > as anyone would attest, is the dependencies - secondary sources that I > have to find and compiles. When finally found, you have to compile, > and then there may be yet another problem with the dependency! This > could be a continuous problem, as you probably very well know. Is this > reasonably accommodated with Gentoo (like using a package manager)? Portage with the emerge tool manages very well dependencies, I never had to look for librairies or install libraries separately before installing something. Instead of apt-get install , you just emerge and it works quite the same way. You may want to consider system tools like eix, and then udept, when you're confortable with a Gentoo system, for a very precise dependencies, and reverse dependencies, management. Cheers, Y. From markknecht at gmail.com Wed Nov 15 16:35:00 2006 From: markknecht at gmail.com (Mark Knecht) Date: Wed Nov 15 16:35:28 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] FC2->Fc3->Fc4->Fc5->FC6->FC*: it's crazy! In-Reply-To: <455B328C.8090002@sonaural.com> References: <455A6DA3.6080603@sonaural.com> <5bdc1c8b0611142019s5c1558c5s3a58df7b668c1f6e@mail.gmail.com> <455AB202.10609@sonaural.com> <5bdc1c8b0611150537r551bbb3am183f4548b813c3be@mail.gmail.com> <455B328C.8090002@sonaural.com> Message-ID: <5bdc1c8b0611151335r2439bae8g977348967fce91b8@mail.gmail.com> On 11/15/06, Brad Fuller wrote: > Mark Knecht wrote: > > > > It's a lot of work but it's been very stable for me. > Thanks Mark, I'll check it out. How long does it take to start from > scratch? I have an P4 1.8 that I'd try it on. > Then, how long does it take from start (from the small set you > mentioned) to a full DAW? Brad, I've done it so many times I cannot count them anymore. I can probably have a very minimal DAW up and running in about 1 day. It takes about 2-3 hours, in my experience, to get through the Gentoo basic install guide and get the machine to boot your first Gentoo kernel. You probably have root and one user account. ssh is running, etc. After the Gentoo kernel is installed I do an emerge sync / emerge system to get all the basic system up and running, and then an emerge world. If I started at 8AM I'd probably have the emerge world step running mid-afternoon. Then you just wait for a bunch of compiles to get do. At this point all you have is a text based Gentoo box that's up to date. At this point I start adding apps - X, my windowing system, etc. That stuff will run a while - maybe a couple of hours - and maybe in the evening I'd have fluxbox running. There are other issues to possibly consider. gcc has recently reved to version 4. I don't know if any of the LiveCDs are based on gcc-4 yet. If they are you will save yourself a MAJOR headache. If you have to do a full gcc upgrade after a normal install then add in another day's work. That would be a tough way to start. You don't have to upgrade to gcc-4 but there are good reasons to do so, especially for AMD64 users like myself. Again, I'm not pushing Gentoo here. Gentoo is a lot of work, but it's a constant workload. you just keep doing it over and over, building code. The machine is always very up to date, but it's a lot of work. > > Also, what is your experience with full distro upgrades? Terrible. It was my ONLY reason for leaving the PlanetCCRMA flow. I loved all the support I got from Fernando but had terribly luck with upgrades and I found it hard with my limited skill set building code from scratch. It's been a lot easier on Gentoo. One thing about a code based distro is it teaches you a lot about building code yourself. > > You say you do minor upgrades while working during the day. Can you > really do real-time audio work while upgrading? Lightly loaded real-time audio is not a problem for me. I'm RME HDSP 9652 based here. > > I have to admit, it sounds like a lot of crunching. What kind of > problems do you run into? My biggest complaint for running from source, > as anyone would attest, is the dependencies - secondary sources that I > have to find and compiles. When finally found, you have to compile, > and then there may be yet another problem with the dependency! This > could be a continuous problem, as you probably very well know. Is this > reasonably accommodated with Gentoo (like using a package manager)? Dependencies are not much of an issue on Gentoo. The emerge package manager does a great job of that. You can pretty easily both see and control what revisions of packages you have loaded and any package you emerge has all the dependenciy requirements built in so it will upgrade dependencies if necessary. > > thanks, > > brad > (are you running MythTV on Gentoo?) Yes - All Linux machines here, 5 total, are Gentoo. My wife's desktop is a 2 tuner server. My son and I both watch on our desktop machines. We also have two Pundit R machines that are dedicated frontend boxes hooked to our 2 TVs. Cheers, Mark From lars.luthman at gmail.com Wed Nov 15 16:43:14 2006 From: lars.luthman at gmail.com (Lars Luthman) Date: Wed Nov 15 16:43:41 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [ANN] GLASHCtl 0.4.0 Message-ID: <1163626995.11683.16.camel@c213-100-20-9.swipnet.se> This is a simple applet for controlling the LASH Audio Session Handler. When you run it it will appear as a small LASH icon in your "notification area" or "system tray" (if your desktop manager is compatible with freedesktop.org's "System tray" standard, http://www.freedesktop.org/Standards/systemtray-spec). This is typically somewhere in the panel in KDE or GNOME. There is also a front end for the WindowMaker dock (or compatible window managers). Changes since 0.2.0: * A DockApp front end (thanks to Nedko Arnaudov) * A "Recent" submenu for restoring recently saved sessions * A "Connect" submenu for connecting and disconnecting JACK ports * Doubleclicking session directories in the file selection dialog restores the session instead of going into the directory * The message window is removed Get it at http://dino.nongnu.org/glashctl -- Lars Luthman - please encrypt any email sent to me if possible PGP key: http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x04C77E2E Fingerprint: FCA7 C790 19B9 322D EB7A E1B3 4371 4650 04C7 7E2E -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I don't know if any of the LiveCDs are based on gcc-4 > yet. The 2006.1 installer CDs have gcc 4.1. -PW -- Paul Winkler http://www.slinkp.com From markknecht at gmail.com Wed Nov 15 17:12:51 2006 From: markknecht at gmail.com (Mark Knecht) Date: Wed Nov 15 17:13:01 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] FC2->Fc3->Fc4->Fc5->FC6->FC*: it's crazy! In-Reply-To: <20061115214648.GA10751@slinkp.com> References: <455A6DA3.6080603@sonaural.com> <5bdc1c8b0611142019s5c1558c5s3a58df7b668c1f6e@mail.gmail.com> <455AB202.10609@sonaural.com> <5bdc1c8b0611150537r551bbb3am183f4548b813c3be@mail.gmail.com> <455B328C.8090002@sonaural.com> <5bdc1c8b0611151335r2439bae8g977348967fce91b8@mail.gmail.com> <20061115214648.GA10751@slinkp.com> Message-ID: <5bdc1c8b0611151412x5835dd17q69d6a6605cb4e3f9@mail.gmail.com> On 11/15/06, Paul Winkler wrote: > On Wed, Nov 15, 2006 at 01:35:00PM -0800, Mark Knecht wrote: > > There are other issues to possibly consider. gcc has recently reved > > to version 4. I don't know if any of the LiveCDs are based on gcc-4 > > yet. > > The 2006.1 installer CDs have gcc 4.1. > > -PW > > -- Thanks Paul. That would save anyone doing a new install a huge update job later. Cheers all, Mark From ico at vt.edu Wed Nov 15 18:22:59 2006 From: ico at vt.edu (Ivica Ico Bukvic) Date: Wed Nov 15 18:23:10 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [ANN] GLASHCtl 0.4.0 In-Reply-To: <1163626995.11683.16.camel@c213-100-20-9.swipnet.se> Message-ID: <003d01c7090c$fd8492d0$f01152c6@64BitBadass> One word: AWESOME :-) Ico > -----Original Message----- > From: linux-audio-user-bounces@music.columbia.edu [mailto:linux-audio- > user-bounces@music.columbia.edu] On Behalf Of Lars Luthman > Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 4:43 PM > To: LAU; LAD; LAA > Subject: [linux-audio-user] [ANN] GLASHCtl 0.4.0 > > This is a simple applet for controlling the LASH Audio Session Handler. > When you run it it will appear as a small LASH icon in your > "notification area" or "system tray" (if your desktop manager is > compatible with freedesktop.org's "System tray" standard, > http://www.freedesktop.org/Standards/systemtray-spec). This is typically > somewhere in the panel in KDE or GNOME. There is also a front end for > the WindowMaker dock (or compatible window managers). > > Changes since 0.2.0: > > * A DockApp front end (thanks to Nedko Arnaudov) > * A "Recent" submenu for restoring recently saved sessions > * A "Connect" submenu for connecting and disconnecting JACK ports > * Doubleclicking session directories in the file selection dialog > restores the session instead of going into the directory > * The message window is removed > > Get it at http://dino.nongnu.org/glashctl > > -- > Lars Luthman - please encrypt any email sent to me if possible > PGP key: http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x04C77E2E > Fingerprint: FCA7 C790 19B9 322D EB7A E1B3 4371 4650 04C7 7E2E From tech at glastonburymusic.org.uk Wed Nov 15 19:01:19 2006 From: tech at glastonburymusic.org.uk (tim hall) Date: Wed Nov 15 19:01:30 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Realtime not working on Debian testing... why? In-Reply-To: <455B3D25.9010600@gmail.com> References: <20061114190811.366c0fd1@notebook.chaosbringer.de> <1163545874.14674.60.camel@mindpipe> <455B3D25.9010600@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200611160001.19262.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> On Wednesday 15 November 2006 16:15, Atte Andr? Jensen was like: > Lee Revell wrote: > > The point of realtime preemption is to improve realtime performance. > > The point of PAM and RT limits and the realtime LSM is to allow non-root > > users to run realtime applications. > > Where can I read about the two, and what steps should be taken in > setting them up on a debian system? http://demudi.agnula.org/wiki/Low-latencyKernelBuildingHowto -- cheers, tim hall http://glastonburymusic.org.uk/tim We are the people We've been waiting for. From tech at glastonburymusic.org.uk Wed Nov 15 19:02:22 2006 From: tech at glastonburymusic.org.uk (tim hall) Date: Wed Nov 15 19:03:24 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] snd card now not working. apparently slipped from Card 1 to Card 0. In-Reply-To: <1163610672.14674.130.camel@mindpipe> References: <455A242D.6060803@sonaural.com> <200611150915.43280.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> <1163610672.14674.130.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <200611160002.22362.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> On Wednesday 15 November 2006 17:11, Lee Revell was like: > On Wed, 2006-11-15 at 09:15 +0000, tim hall wrote: > > On Tuesday 14 November 2006 20:28, Lee Revell was like: > > > It does work, it's just card 0 now. What aplay command line are you > > > using? Do you have an .asoundrc? You shouldn't. > > > > Are you saying that having a .asoundrc is _definitely_ > > counter-productive, or simply that it is not required? A pointer to > > whatever discussion I've missed will be sufficient. > > .asoundrc is not required for normal use. Many people seem to believe > they need to "configure their soundcard" via .asoundrc to make it work. > This used to be required for dmix, but since ALSA 1.0.9 it should work > by default. > > Read the alsa-devel archives. Thanks. :) -- cheers, tim hall http://glastonburymusic.org.uk/tim We are the people We've been waiting for. From downerczx at yahoo.com Wed Nov 15 21:46:27 2006 From: downerczx at yahoo.com (DCZX) Date: Wed Nov 15 21:46:38 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Interview with EnergyXT Developer Message-ID: <20061116024627.4248.qmail@web36811.mail.mud.yahoo.com> On Linux Rock Star, we have a new interview with Jorgen Aase, creator of EnergyXT, a modular music creation application that he is porting to Linux. Check it out! Thanks. http://www.linuxrockstar.com From capocasa at gmx.net Wed Nov 15 22:37:01 2006 From: capocasa at gmx.net (Carlo Capocasa) Date: Wed Nov 15 22:37:21 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Wanted: Singing Capacitor Fix In-Reply-To: <455B7FCD.6080103@hawaii.rr.com> References: <20061113170742.807B040B82AA@music.columbia.edu> <455AB3DE.5020708@hawaii.rr.com> <455AE0FC.3020001@hawaii.rr.com> <455AF460.9000106@freenet.de> <455B7FCD.6080103@hawaii.rr.com> Message-ID: > Because solving problems is hard work and cooking eggs on computer chips > is easy fun? ;-) Oh man, I thought other people were destined for the hard work, and I was destined for the easy fun and the credit. From capocasa at gmx.net Wed Nov 15 22:44:08 2006 From: capocasa at gmx.net (Carlo Capocasa) Date: Wed Nov 15 22:44:23 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: The famous "Jack Hum" (Can't record and desparate) In-Reply-To: <20061113174638.GB5907@linux-1.site> References: <1163418300.45585abc5d7d0@www3.helsinki.fi> <45586B60.8060601@joow.be> <1163434127.30649.78.camel@mindpipe> <4558A7FB.9030801@joow.be> <20061113174638.GB5907@linux-1.site> Message-ID: > I'd be surprised if this would turn out to be singing capacitor. > Every switched-mode voltage regulator needs a an inductor, and > these are much more likely to 'sing'. Probably you have a badly > designed or specified regulator that fails when the load is > below a minimum value (a classic problem with SM regulators). > To test this, load the power supply e.g. via the USB connectors > (a simple USB powered keyboard light could be enough). > If you can locate the component, and it turns out to be an > inductor, applying a bit of epoxy glue on the winding will > probably silence it. This is an EXCELLENT lead. Thanks Fons. Can you give me a hint on how to identify an inductor? My notebook case is open right now and the whine comes from a place out of or near the CPU. Also, the whine comes when I start Jack at low latencies; I don't quite understand what the purpose of loading the power supply would be; I've hooked up my Palm Zire or a USB microphone (which sounded like crap, but did load the power supply) and experienced no additional hum whatsoever. Carlo From capocasa at gmx.net Wed Nov 15 22:47:50 2006 From: capocasa at gmx.net (Carlo Capocasa) Date: Wed Nov 15 22:52:25 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: The famous "Jack Hum" (Can't record and desparate) In-Reply-To: <4558A7FB.9030801@joow.be> References: <1163418300.45585abc5d7d0@www3.helsinki.fi> <45586B60.8060601@joow.be> <1163434127.30649.78.camel@mindpipe> <4558A7FB.9030801@joow.be> Message-ID: The high load thing worked; I noticed that the singing disappeared when I started programs, moved some windows, etc. So I posted "Singing Capacitor Fix wanted" and discribed I wanted a load generator. Karsten supplied me with this: --QUOTE-- A simple load generator with low scheduling priority: echo 'for ((;1;)); do i=0; done;'|nice -n 19 sh -- -- This works like daisy. I included it in QJackCtl and it works like a charm. No performance penalty, and the noise is completely gone. Of course there might be heat issues to deal with, but they can be solved seperately. Now I need to test with my Roland Edirol card, this was using the Alsa driver. Will keep you guys posted. Carlo From capocasa at gmx.net Wed Nov 15 22:51:06 2006 From: capocasa at gmx.net (Carlo Capocasa) Date: Wed Nov 15 23:01:08 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: The famous "Jack Hum" (Can't record and desparate) In-Reply-To: <1163434127.30649.78.camel@mindpipe> References: <1163418300.45585abc5d7d0@www3.helsinki.fi> <45586B60.8060601@joow.be> <1163434127.30649.78.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: > No, there's no possible software fix for this hardware problem. Actually, the load generator worked. *snip A simple load generator with low scheduling priority: echo 'for ((;1;)); do i=0; done;'|nice -n 19 sh * Of course it might be a different problem and not a singing capacitor, but I would like to point out and insist there is a solution for absolutely EVERYTHING :) Had I believed your expertise I would have had to replace my notebook to perform, which is why I NEVER believe anyone who will tell me I can't do something. I'm Carlo Capocasa, I can do anything! Heck, you're Lee Revell, you can do anything too. Calro PS: Except spell my name correctly. From capocasa at gmx.net Wed Nov 15 23:18:17 2006 From: capocasa at gmx.net (Carlo Capocasa) Date: Wed Nov 15 23:18:43 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: The famous "Jack Hum" (Can't record and desparate) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thanks to everyone who replied, I couldn't have solved this without you. Singing capacitor! Load generator workaround! You guys are awesome, each and every one of you. Carlo From atte.jensen at gmail.com Thu Nov 16 02:05:44 2006 From: atte.jensen at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Atte_Andr=E9_Jensen?=) Date: Thu Nov 16 02:05:55 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Realtime not working on Debian testing... why? In-Reply-To: <200611160001.19262.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> References: <20061114190811.366c0fd1@notebook.chaosbringer.de> <1163545874.14674.60.camel@mindpipe> <455B3D25.9010600@gmail.com> <200611160001.19262.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> Message-ID: <455C0DC8.1090701@gmail.com> tim hall wrote: > http://demudi.agnula.org/wiki/Low-latencyKernelBuildingHowto Thanks! -- peace, love & harmony Atte http://www.atte.dk | quintet: http://www.anagrammer.dk | compositions: http://www.atte.dk/compositions From k.s.matheussen at notam02.no Thu Nov 16 02:10:51 2006 From: k.s.matheussen at notam02.no (Kjetil S. Matheussen) Date: Thu Nov 16 02:11:06 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: FC2->Fc3->Fc4->Fc5->FC6->FC*: it's crazy! In-Reply-To: <20061116000141.1CDDD419D0A6@music.columbia.edu> References: <20061116000141.1CDDD419D0A6@music.columbia.edu> Message-ID: Yves Potin: >>> It's a lot of work but it's been very stable for me. >> Thanks Mark, I'll check it out. How long does it take to start from >> scratch? I have an P4 1.8 that I'd try it on. >> Then, how long does it take from start (from the small set you >> mentioned) to a full DAW? > > Hi, I take permission to respond to share antother experience with > gentoo :). If you absolutely don't know gentoo, with a barely solid > knowledge of a linux system, I would say you'd need more or less one day > to get a working system (with ardour and MuSE, and other smaller audio > apps). You need to know how to compile a kernel (and patch it for real > time of course). Gentoo docs are really well written, and you need to read > them when installing, especially the handbook. > http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/?catid=install (there are many translations). Hmm, it might take more time. I used 4 days to get something useful. There were various reasons to this, I don't remember all of them, but I had huge problems. Not that I wasn't able to solve them, but it took time. The most irritating thing for me, was that after I got everything to work, I had to compile up almost everything again after running emerge update, because an update of a package caused almost everything not to work, and I had to run a script that checked dependencies of all packages. And of course, non of this was easy to find out about for a gentoo newbie. I have the impression though, after reading the forums, that older install systems (I used the latest 2006 verion) had fewer problems. From rob at curates-egg.org Thu Nov 16 03:40:58 2006 From: rob at curates-egg.org (Rob Fell) Date: Thu Nov 16 03:40:50 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: The famous "Jack Hum" (Can't record and desparate) In-Reply-To: References: <1163418300.45585abc5d7d0@www3.helsinki.fi> <45586B60.8060601@joow.be> <1163434127.30649.78.camel@mindpipe> <4558A7FB.9030801@joow.be> <20061113174638.GB5907@linux-1.site> Message-ID: <455C241A.9000101@curates-egg.org> Carlo Capocasa wrote: > Can you give me a hint on how to identify an inductor? My notebook case An inductor is a coil of wire wound (several turns) around some kind of core. If it's an encapsulated type it may be harder to identify. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inductor > is open right now and the whine comes from a place out of or near the > CPU. Also, the whine comes when I start Jack at low latencies; I don't Ok - that's likely the supply regulators. > quite understand what the purpose of loading the power supply would be; > I've hooked up my Palm Zire or a USB microphone (which sounded like > crap, but did load the power supply) and experienced no additional hum > whatsoever. You're not expecting additional hum. An inductor smooths out current flow in circuits by storing energy magnetically. Because there's a magnetic field (coil of wire and electric current), there's also a force exerted on the coil (think electric motor) which _can_ cause the coil to physically move in sympathy with the current. The physical movement of the coil acts like a loudspeaker - but this isn't a tune you can dance to. Do you have a stethoscope? Unload the machine and get that noise back. Now listen. Can you identify the component? R From dsbaikov at gmail.com Thu Nov 16 03:42:22 2006 From: dsbaikov at gmail.com (Dmitry Baikov) Date: Thu Nov 16 03:42:31 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Interview with EnergyXT Developer In-Reply-To: <20061116024627.4248.qmail@web36811.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20061116024627.4248.qmail@web36811.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <70a871c80611160042u6dc020cuf7df9bcf6532adbd@mail.gmail.com> Finally, a good sequencer. From rob at curates-egg.org Thu Nov 16 03:48:21 2006 From: rob at curates-egg.org (Rob Fell) Date: Thu Nov 16 03:48:07 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: The famous "Jack Hum" (Can't record and desparate) In-Reply-To: <455C241A.9000101@curates-egg.org> References: <1163418300.45585abc5d7d0@www3.helsinki.fi> <45586B60.8060601@joow.be> <1163434127.30649.78.camel@mindpipe> <4558A7FB.9030801@joow.be> <20061113174638.GB5907@linux-1.site> <455C241A.9000101@curates-egg.org> Message-ID: <455C25D5.1030009@curates-egg.org> Rob Fell wrote: > Do you have a stethoscope? Unload the machine and get that noise back. > Now listen. Can you identify the component? Oh - and BE CAREFUL. This circuitry isn't designed for people to casually poke around. Remember that it takes less than a millisecond to release the magic smoke. Find an insulating material to cover the end of whatever you use as a stethoscope, and work slowly and methodically. Don't short things out - even if they're 'not connected to anything else'. R From gnome at hawaii.rr.com Thu Nov 16 04:07:23 2006 From: gnome at hawaii.rr.com (david) Date: Thu Nov 16 04:07:39 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Wanted: Singing Capacitor Fix In-Reply-To: References: <20061113170742.807B040B82AA@music.columbia.edu> <455AB3DE.5020708@hawaii.rr.com> <455AE0FC.3020001@hawaii.rr.com> <455AF460.9000106@freenet.de> <455B7FCD.6080103@hawaii.rr.com> Message-ID: <455C2A4B.2090505@hawaii.rr.com> Carlo Capocasa wrote: >> Because solving problems is hard work and cooking eggs on computer chips >> is easy fun? ;-) > > Oh man, I thought other people were destined for the hard work, and I > was destined for the easy fun and the credit. After two years experience as a professional musician (many decades ago), I think anyone who chooses that field had better like lots of hard work! I think "easy fun" is reserved for agents and concert promoters. ;-) -- David gnome@hawaii.rr.com authenticity, honesty, community From chaosbringer at gmx.de Thu Nov 16 05:11:01 2006 From: chaosbringer at gmx.de (Julian Hagenauer) Date: Thu Nov 16 05:10:29 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Dual Core? Message-ID: <20061116111101.7de4afe4@notebook.chaosbringer.de> > Debian testing current libpam-modules 0.79-4 supports rtprio (I use it). > To be sure just run : > > jackd -R -P 70 -d dummy > > in another shell launch : > > top -H -p `pidof jackd` > > PID USER PR NI VIRT RES SHR S %CPU %MEM TIME+ COMMAND > 26812 moino 18 0 21652 21m 3892 S 0 2.1 0:00.01 jackd > 26813 moino 18 0 21652 21m 3892 S 0 2.1 0:00.00 jackd > 26814 moino 19 0 21652 21m 3892 S 0 2.1 0:00.00 jackd > 26815 moino -81 0 21652 21m 3892 S 0 2.1 0:00.00 jackd > 26816 moino *-71* 0 21652 21m 3892 S 0 2.1 0:00.00 jackd > > If rlimit is not working you won't see a thread at prio -71 > Don't be afraid if you don't have the thread at -81 you must have an > old version of jackd. > > If you can verify this you can be sure your problem does not come from > rlimit or realtime stuff. > You will have to investigate more. > > Goood luck. > > PS. If you have a dual core setup I'm not sure your jackd version is patched > against some hw clock drift problems. Do you have the --clocksource > option when you launch jackd -h ? > > David. Hi, thank you for your answer. rlimits seem to work, becasue i got the same results as mentioned above. In fact i have a Centrino Duo (Dual Core) notebook, so this might be the reason fpr my xruns and stuttering sound? If i run jackd -h i got no option mention --clocksource. What can i do next? Thank you, Julian From siliconjoe at gmail.com Thu Nov 16 05:30:21 2006 From: siliconjoe at gmail.com (Giuseppe Zompatori) Date: Thu Nov 16 05:30:31 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Midi Woes In-Reply-To: <1163518453.11216.275792029@webmail.messagingengine.com> References: <1162927009.30574.275240877@webmail.messagingengine.com> <3a5df3c20611110915h5f745376mb9e04164846df5ee@mail.gmail.com> <1163409680.24874.275662647@webmail.messagingengine.com> <3a5df3c20611130242q46fc9868nabf005ec092bfe40@mail.gmail.com> <1163437747.10508.275696849@webmail.messagingengine.com> <3a5df3c20611140706s3143796flcc608d399963faa1@mail.gmail.com> <1163518453.11216.275792029@webmail.messagingengine.com> Message-ID: <3a5df3c20611160230tac1818ud44fcfd5898ebda7@mail.gmail.com> 2006/11/14, Clemens Ladisch : > A newer driver version might fix things. Hi, Today I tried pulling and compiling the drivers from the ALSA mercury repository and unfortunately the MPU port still won't work after a fresh reboot, the error messages are bit more verbose this time though: #rmmod snd-mpu401 snd-mpu401_uart; dmesg|grep pnp [17187495.568000] pnp: Device 00:09 disabled. #modprobe snd-mpu401; dmesg | grep pnp [17187550.044000] pnp: Device 00:09 activated. [17187550.044000] pnp: Device 00:09 disabled. <- (this one is still here sadly) # cat /proc/interrupts /proc/ioports |grep MPU 5 : 7 IO-APIC-edge MPU401 UART 0300-0301 : MPU401 UART #aplaymidi -l Port Client name Port name 14:0 Midi Through Midi Through Port-0 20:0 MPU-401 UART MPU-401 UART MIDI #aplaymidi --port 20:0 test.mid Cannot connect to port 20:0 - Input/output error #dmesg|grep mpu401 [17187569.116000] ALSA /home/gzed/Musica/ALSA/mercury-root/alsa-driver/drivers/mpu401/../../alsa-kernel/drivers/mpu401/mpu401_uart.c:241: cmd: tx timeout (status = 0xff) [17187569.140000] ALSA /home/gzed/Musica/ALSA/mercury-root/alsa-driver/drivers/mpu401/../../alsa-kernel/drivers/mpu401/mpu401_uart.c:263: cmd: 0xff failed at 0x300 (status = 0xff, data = 0xff) [17187569.140000] ALSA /home/gzed/Musica/ALSA/mercury-root/alsa-driver/acore/seq/../../alsa-kernel/core/seq/seq_midi.c:231: midi output open failed!!! Out of curiosity I tried booting an older knoppix with a 2.6.6 kernel (that only had OSS drivers...) and the system got hard locked by trying to enabe the MPU port. Cheers, -Giuseppe From nomoa at wanadoo.fr Thu Nov 16 06:59:04 2006 From: nomoa at wanadoo.fr (David Causse) Date: Thu Nov 16 06:58:20 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Dual Core? In-Reply-To: <20061116111101.7de4afe4@notebook.chaosbringer.de> References: <20061116111101.7de4afe4@notebook.chaosbringer.de> Message-ID: <20061116115904.GA7612@localdomain> Oe Thu, Nov 16, 2006 at 11:11:01AM +0100, Julian Hagenauer wrote: > > Hi, > thank you for your answer. > rlimits seem to work, becasue i got the same results as mentioned above. > In fact i have a Centrino Duo (Dual Core) notebook, so this might be the reason fpr my xruns and stuttering sound? > If i run jackd -h i got no option mention --clocksource. > What can i do next? In fact when I had problems related to tsc clock drift I had this type of errors : delay of XXX usecs exceeds estimated spare time of YYY; restart ... If this is your case you have to upgrade jackd, I'm afraid there is no simple way to do so. You'll have to compile yourself jack 0.102.20. If you have only : **** alsa_pcm: xrun of at least 1.105 msecs Here what I would check first : 1) Your audio card is not reliable Some cards have a fixed sample rate, just try to launch jackd with other sample rate. Did you check the card matrix on http://www.alsa-project.org to check if other people experienced the same problem? 2) Some issues with laptop I have seen very weird things with laptop. And I can't help here, I don't own a laptop... For example, can you see noticeable difference when your laptop is on AC Mains and on battery? 3) other process is running and do heavy load? check top and identify it. 4) Your kernel config check your PREEMPT config with zcat /proc/config.gz | grep CONFIG_PREEMPT If you have CONFIG_PREEMPT_NONE=y It is not very good for real-time audio you need at least CONFIG_PREEMPT_DESKTOP=y If you are not confident with kernel compilation I won't be able to help because I don't know where you can find such precomiled kernel for debian testing. But if you have xruns at 1024/2 frames I'm not sure it will help... Well I have no more clue, there is a solution somewhere don't give up :) Good luck David. From fons.adriaensen at skynet.be Thu Nov 16 07:06:40 2006 From: fons.adriaensen at skynet.be (Fons Adriaensen) Date: Thu Nov 16 07:04:06 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: The famous "Jack Hum" (Can't record and desparate) In-Reply-To: <455C241A.9000101@curates-egg.org> References: <1163418300.45585abc5d7d0@www3.helsinki.fi> <45586B60.8060601@joow.be> <1163434127.30649.78.camel@mindpipe> <4558A7FB.9030801@joow.be> <20061113174638.GB5907@linux-1.site> <455C241A.9000101@curates-egg.org> Message-ID: <20061116120640.GA5926@linux-1.site> On Thu, Nov 16, 2006 at 08:40:58AM +0000, Rob Fell wrote: > >Can you give me a hint on how to identify an inductor? My notebook case > > An inductor is a coil of wire wound (several turns) around some kind of > core. If it's an encapsulated type it may be harder to identify. They can take many forms, down to a simple ferrite bead on a wire. > Do you have a stethoscope? Unload the machine and get that noise back. > Now listen. Can you identify the component? That would work if the stethoscope's pickup is small. Or you could use a 'microphone probe', a small mic with an acoustic tube fitted. Another practical trick is this. You need a small wooden stick - it should be light, hard, and of course non-conducting. A wooden match or toothpick would do. Use it to *lightly* touch the component you suspect. This should change the sound, and you may also feel it with your fingers. -- FA Lascia la spina, cogli la rosa. From fons.adriaensen at skynet.be Thu Nov 16 07:36:35 2006 From: fons.adriaensen at skynet.be (Fons Adriaensen) Date: Thu Nov 16 07:34:02 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: The famous "Jack Hum" (Can't record and desparate) In-Reply-To: References: <1163418300.45585abc5d7d0@www3.helsinki.fi> <45586B60.8060601@joow.be> <1163434127.30649.78.camel@mindpipe> <4558A7FB.9030801@joow.be> <20061113174638.GB5907@linux-1.site> Message-ID: <20061116123635.GC5926@linux-1.site> On Thu, Nov 16, 2006 at 04:44:08AM +0100, Carlo Capocasa wrote: > I don't > quite understand what the purpose of loading the power supply would be; > I've hooked up my Palm Zire or a USB microphone (which sounded like > crap, but did load the power supply) and experienced no additional hum > whatsoever. If the sound comes from near the CPU, then it's probably one of the low voltage (1.3 V or some such) regulators that produces it, and loading the USB supply (5 V) will not make any difference. -- FA Lascia la spina, cogli la rosa. From pcoccoli at gmail.com Thu Nov 16 08:11:24 2006 From: pcoccoli at gmail.com (Paul Coccoli) Date: Thu Nov 16 08:11:39 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Interview with EnergyXT Developer In-Reply-To: <70a871c80611160042u6dc020cuf7df9bcf6532adbd@mail.gmail.com> References: <20061116024627.4248.qmail@web36811.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <70a871c80611160042u6dc020cuf7df9bcf6532adbd@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <8d27a0610611160511n6b0f3ea3he36945bf434c2015@mail.gmail.com> On 11/16/06, Dmitry Baikov wrote: > Finally, a good sequencer. > So you're going to purchase a license? I bought a license for a Linux music app once, the Ultramasters RS-101 (I think that was the name). It was an awesome program, but it disappeared off the face of the earth, and I couldn't get it to run on anything newer than the Red Hat 7.2 system I initially installed it on. Apparently energyXT will only use native Linux VSTs. Nobody writes native Linux VSTs (although the energyXT author says he has compiiled some). I'm not trying to be negative here, but I don't really see the point in a native energyXT. From dsbaikov at gmail.com Thu Nov 16 08:58:41 2006 From: dsbaikov at gmail.com (Dmitry Baikov) Date: Thu Nov 16 09:10:42 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Interview with EnergyXT Developer In-Reply-To: <8d27a0610611160511n6b0f3ea3he36945bf434c2015@mail.gmail.com> References: <20061116024627.4248.qmail@web36811.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <70a871c80611160042u6dc020cuf7df9bcf6532adbd@mail.gmail.com> <8d27a0610611160511n6b0f3ea3he36945bf434c2015@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <70a871c80611160558n64d9ff9eqf2392406ee5963fc@mail.gmail.com> On 11/16/06, Paul Coccoli wrote: > So you're going to purchase a license? I will definetely think about it :) It's only $50. But the problem of closed source life-cycles remains. > Apparently energyXT will only use native Linux VSTs. Nobody writes > native Linux VSTs (although the energyXT author says he has compiiled > some). It will be usable with hardware synths. > I'm not trying to be negative here, but I don't really see the point > in a native energyXT. As for me, I need good MIDI sequencer with live mode. There's none for the date. It's a pity I don't have enough time to write my own, or extend seq24. From mathias.friman at knorca.se Thu Nov 16 10:04:52 2006 From: mathias.friman at knorca.se (Mathias Friman) Date: Thu Nov 16 10:05:02 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] ALSA not recognizing Ego Sys Waveterminal 192L Message-ID: <64db2b4a20757dbad35f420bfda57923@knorca.se> Hi list. I have a friend who has a bit of trouble with the above sound card. According to the ALSA hardware guide it is all green and an envy24 HL driver, which seem to correspond with the ice_1724 module. Is that correct? The card shows when running "lspci", and "lsmod | grep snd" shows that the ice_1724 module is loaded. But the card is not included in the list when doing a "cat /proc/asound/cards" and is is not listed when doing a "cat /proc/interrupts". He already has got a Midiman Anyone got some clue to what may be wrong? For reference I include the "lsmod | grep snd" listing. It seems that nothing is using the module in question: snd_usb_audio 100512 0 snd_usb_lib 23552 1 snd_usb_audio snd_hwdep 14088 1 snd_usb_audio snd_ice1724 99232 0 snd_ice17xx_ak4xxx 6528 1 snd_ice1724 snd_intel8x0 42024 3 snd_ac97_codec 127064 2 snd_ice1724,snd_intel8x0 snd_ac97_bus 4352 1 snd_ac97_codec snd_pcm_oss 57344 0 snd_mixer_oss 22784 1 snd_pcm_oss snd_ak4114 14336 1 snd_ice1724 snd_ak4xxx_adda 10624 2 snd_ice1724,snd_ice17xx_ak4xxx snd_mpu401 12200 0 snd_mpu401_uart 12928 2 snd_ice1724,snd_mpu401 snd_rawmidi 34432 2 snd_usb_lib,snd_mpu401_uart snd_seq_device 12180 1 snd_rawmidi snd_pcm 108168 8 saa7134_alsa,snd_usb_audio,snd_ice1724,snd_intel8x0,snd_ac97_codec,snd_pcm_oss,s nd_ak4114 snd_timer 31112 1 snd_pcm snd 79016 21 saa7134_alsa,snd_usb_audio,snd_hwdep,snd_ice1724,snd_intel8x0,snd_ac97_codec,snd _pcm_oss,snd_mixer_oss,snd_ak4114,snd_ak4xxx_adda,snd_mpu401,snd_mpu401_uart,snd _rawmidi,snd_seq_device,snd_pcm,snd_timer soundcore 14112 1 snd snd_page_alloc 13200 2 snd_intel8x0,snd_pcm usbcore 167840 6 usbhid,snd_usb_audio,snd_usb_lib,ehci_hcd,ohci_h and the /proc/asound/cards listing as well. Sorry for the mess: 0 [CK804 ]: NFORCE - NVidia CK804 NVidia CK804 with ALC850 at 0xdc003000, irq 225 1 [UART ]: MPU-401 UART - MPU-401 UART MPU-401 UART at 0x330, irq 10 2 [M2x2 ]: USB-Audio - MidiSport 2x2 M-Audio MidiSport 2x2 at usb-0000:00:02.0-1, full speed 3 [SAA7134 ]: SAA7134 - SAA7134 saa7130[0] at 0xdb00a000 irq 74 Isn't it a bit strange to have IRQ74 and IRQ225 ? :) Regards, Mathias From denisfalqueto at gmail.com Thu Nov 16 10:17:43 2006 From: denisfalqueto at gmail.com (Denis Alessandro Altoe Falqueto) Date: Thu Nov 16 10:18:08 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] FC2->Fc3->Fc4->Fc5->FC6->FC*: it's crazy! In-Reply-To: <455A6DA3.6080603@sonaural.com> References: <455A6DA3.6080603@sonaural.com> Message-ID: On 11/14/06, Brad Fuller wrote: > every time there is a new Fedora Core, I usually get around to moving to > the next version. However, for me, it's a bit of a pain to do because > you really have to wipe the disc and start all over.. ."upgrading" > Fedora doesn't really work well. At least for me it doesn't. > > Don't you find this a bit irritating? I do. It's not hard, it just seems > unnecessary. > > Are other distros better at upgrading but also provide all of the nice > features that Fedora does? (there are a lot of audio apps available in > rpm for Fedora. I just can't spend my time compiling each and every one > when updates come along.) > > What do others do? > Hi people! I would like to tell my experience on this. I used lots of distros that required reinstalling for the new versions. I used gentoo also, but was really tired of compiling new kde releases and I trashed my system too (of course, this was my fault. I am not blaming gentoo here) About a year and a half ago, I tryed Arch Linux (www.archlinux.org) and never looked back. It has lots of audio applications and the ones that are absent of the repositories, you can create the packages with a simple script. Your new package can be installed like any other package (and uninstalled too, with dependency control). It is realy easy to build packages (I made lots of packages myself and there is a repository of build scripts provided by the comunity). In my opinion, it is powerfull as gentoo without requiring all that work to mantain. I never reinstalled my system. A simple pacman -Syu does the job (pacman is the package manager of the distro). It updates kernels and everything else. It also uses pam 0,8, which allows you to configure the rtlimits for the audio group. Indeed, it comes allmost configured. You just need to uncomment the lines in /etc/security/limits.conf. Sumarizing, if you can handle the installation (espartan, as one forum member said), you will be happy with it forever. I am. My Brazilian R$ 0.02 (in US Dolars it comes to 0.0093 today... well, not very worthy, isn't it? ;-)) -- ------------------------------------------- Denis A. Altoe Falqueto ------------------------------------------- From brad at sonaural.com Thu Nov 16 10:19:12 2006 From: brad at sonaural.com (Brad Fuller) Date: Thu Nov 16 10:19:20 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] FC2->Fc3->Fc4->Fc5->FC6->FC*: it's crazy! In-Reply-To: <455A6DA3.6080603@sonaural.com> References: <455A6DA3.6080603@sonaural.com> Message-ID: <455C8170.6000708@sonaural.com> Thanks to everyone for their views on distros. But, don't let my thanking stop you, it's a good thread. Learning issues of other distros is helpful for me and I hope others. What I think I'll do is grab a completely clean HD and install Gentoo when I have a free day. I might be coming back to the Gentoo experts begging for help when I get lost! brad From brad at sonaural.com Thu Nov 16 10:28:55 2006 From: brad at sonaural.com (Brad Fuller) Date: Thu Nov 16 10:29:44 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] FC2->Fc3->Fc4->Fc5->FC6->FC*: it's crazy! In-Reply-To: <455A6DA3.6080603@sonaural.com> References: <455A6DA3.6080603@sonaural.com> Message-ID: <455C83B7.1000806@sonaural.com> anyone use Ubuntu? From mista.tapas at gmx.net Thu Nov 16 10:45:48 2006 From: mista.tapas at gmx.net (Florian Schmidt) Date: Thu Nov 16 10:45:39 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] FC2->Fc3->Fc4->Fc5->FC6->FC*: it's crazy! In-Reply-To: <455C83B7.1000806@sonaural.com> References: <455A6DA3.6080603@sonaural.com> <455C83B7.1000806@sonaural.com> Message-ID: <200611161645.48217.mista.tapas@gmx.net> On Thursday 16 November 2006 16:28, Brad Fuller wrote: > anyone use Ubuntu? I use ubuntu edgy on my laptop (with the kubuntu-desktop package), and to my surprise i have not been able to install a functioning -rt kernel into this system. The usual route of starting with the .config of the shipped kernel and running make oldconfig does produce a kernel, etc, and booting it seems to work, too, but somehow this mysterious combination of hotplug, udev, sysfs, etc, fails at some point, so none of my periphery really works [and yes i have created an initrd] :( Other than that i really dog ubuntu :) I'm a long time debian user on my desktop and will keep it that way, but the laptop will be ubuntu from now on :) Flo -- Palimm Palimm! http://tapas.affenbande.org From dsbaikov at gmail.com Thu Nov 16 10:46:29 2006 From: dsbaikov at gmail.com (Dmitry Baikov) Date: Thu Nov 16 10:47:09 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] FC2->Fc3->Fc4->Fc5->FC6->FC*: it's crazy! In-Reply-To: <455C83B7.1000806@sonaural.com> References: <455A6DA3.6080603@sonaural.com> <455C83B7.1000806@sonaural.com> Message-ID: <70a871c80611160746n2b14bf53k541162e398d22636@mail.gmail.com> On 11/16/06, Brad Fuller wrote: > anyone use Ubuntu? I tried it, 6.06, but found it slow and unstable (for some reason they used gcc-4.0.1 to build the whole system, a version which even in gentoo was masked (as very unstable)). It is very user-friendly though. From jack.oquin at gmail.com Thu Nov 16 11:07:48 2006 From: jack.oquin at gmail.com (Jack O'Quin) Date: Thu Nov 16 11:07:58 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] FC2->Fc3->Fc4->Fc5->FC6->FC*: it's crazy! In-Reply-To: <455C83B7.1000806@sonaural.com> References: <455A6DA3.6080603@sonaural.com> <455C83B7.1000806@sonaural.com> Message-ID: On 11/16/06, Brad Fuller wrote: > anyone use Ubuntu? I run Dapper Drake on my laptop. I like it a lot. Most things work right out of the box. Haven't done any fancy customizations. There is a good selection of audio packages in Ubuntu Studio. The only problem I've seen is the difficulty (shared with Debian) of installing a new JACK from sources. For me, that is easy to fix with a small script[1], but it causes trouble for many users. There is a long-running thread on jackit-devel about this right now. [1] Here's the script I run after installing JACK from source... #!/bin/sh LIBJACK_0=/usr/lib/libjack-0.100.0.so.0 LIBJACK_SO=/usr/lib/libjack-0.100.0.so.0.0.23 cd /usr/lib sudo ln -sf ${LIBJACK_SO} ${LIBJACK_0} -- joq From nomoa at wanadoo.fr Thu Nov 16 11:22:28 2006 From: nomoa at wanadoo.fr (David Causse) Date: Thu Nov 16 11:21:39 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: ALSA not recognizing Ego Sys Waveterminal 192L In-Reply-To: <64db2b4a20757dbad35f420bfda57923@knorca.se> References: <64db2b4a20757dbad35f420bfda57923@knorca.se> Message-ID: <20061116162228.GB7612@localdomain> On Thu, Nov 16, 2006 at 04:04:52PM +0100, Mathias Friman wrote: > Hi list. > > I have a friend who has a bit of trouble with the above sound card. > > According to the ALSA hardware guide it is all green and an envy24 HL driver, which > seem to correspond with the ice_1724 module. Is that correct? > > The card shows when running "lspci", and "lsmod | grep snd" shows that the ice_1724 module > is loaded. But the card is not included in the list when doing a "cat /proc/asound/cards" and > is is not listed when doing a "cat /proc/interrupts". He already has got a Midiman > > Anyone got some clue to what may be wrong? I had the same behaviour with snd_ice1712, module loaded but no card in /proc/asound/cards . This was due to a conflict in alsa card number. I tried to load snd_ice1712 on slot 0 and slot 0 was already taken by my CK804. Have a look at /etc/modprobe.d/* or any other files that alter the way modules are loaded and check how this module is loaded maybe you have the same problem I had. A simple test will permit to determine if you are affected by this problem. Just load your module by bypassing modprobe config # rmmod snd-ice1724 # modprobe -C /dev/null snd-ice1724 Can you see it in /proc/asound/cards? Yes? It must be an index conflict problem you have to fix your modprobe config. No? I don't have any clue. David. From tdhoward at gmail.com Thu Nov 16 11:39:36 2006 From: tdhoward at gmail.com (Tim Howard) Date: Thu Nov 16 11:39:44 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Sub-harmonic generator? (LADSPA or VST) Message-ID: Hello, Does anyone know of a good plugin that will generate subharmonics? I would like to put a little more low frequency "oomph" into my bass track. Preferrable LADSPA, but VST would work, too. Thanks for any help! -TimH From ico at vt.edu Thu Nov 16 11:58:47 2006 From: ico at vt.edu (Ivica Ico Bukvic) Date: Thu Nov 16 12:11:44 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Sub-harmonic generator? (LADSPA or VST) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <001501c709a0$7bd01400$0302a8c0@64BitBadass> How about an el-cheapo pitch-shifter with a lowpass filter? Ico > -----Original Message----- > From: linux-audio-user-bounces@music.columbia.edu [mailto:linux-audio- > user-bounces@music.columbia.edu] On Behalf Of Tim Howard > Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2006 11:40 AM > To: A list for linux audio users > Subject: [linux-audio-user] Sub-harmonic generator? (LADSPA or VST) > > Hello, > Does anyone know of a good plugin that will generate subharmonics? > I would like to put a little more low frequency "oomph" into my bass > track. Preferrable LADSPA, but VST would work, too. > > Thanks for any help! > > -TimH From cladisch at fastmail.net Thu Nov 16 12:16:30 2006 From: cladisch at fastmail.net (Clemens Ladisch) Date: Thu Nov 16 12:22:27 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] ALSA not recognizing Ego Sys Waveterminal 192L In-Reply-To: <64db2b4a20757dbad35f420bfda57923@knorca.se> References: <64db2b4a20757dbad35f420bfda57923@knorca.se> Message-ID: <1163697390.10006.276089273@webmail.messagingengine.com> Mathias Friman wrote: > The card shows when running "lspci", and "lsmod | grep snd" shows that the ice_1724 module > is loaded. But the card is not included in the list when doing a "cat /proc/asound/cards" and > is is not listed when doing a "cat /proc/interrupts". It seems some error prevented the driver from binding to the card. There should be an error message in the system log when the snd-ice1724 driver is loaded. > Isn't it a bit strange to have IRQ74 and IRQ225 ? :) No. Regards, Clemens From cave.dnb at tiscali.fr Thu Nov 16 12:23:43 2006 From: cave.dnb at tiscali.fr (Nigel Henry) Date: Thu Nov 16 12:28:02 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] FC2->Fc3->Fc4->Fc5->FC6->FC*: it's crazy! In-Reply-To: <455C83B7.1000806@sonaural.com> References: <455A6DA3.6080603@sonaural.com> <455C83B7.1000806@sonaural.com> Message-ID: <200611161823.43706.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> On Thursday 16 November 2006 16:28, Brad Fuller wrote: > anyone use Ubuntu? Yes. At least Kubuntu. On my 2 machines, that's along with FC1,2,3,4, and 5, Slackware 10.0, Debian Sarge, Debian Etch, and last but not least Gentoo. Nigel. Oh yes. I think that other OS is lying about on a couple of partitions, in the form of XP, and ME, but virtually unused apart from getting 3rd party security updates from time to time. From pw_lists at slinkp.com Thu Nov 16 12:29:26 2006 From: pw_lists at slinkp.com (Paul Winkler) Date: Thu Nov 16 12:33:01 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] FC2->Fc3->Fc4->Fc5->FC6->FC*: it's crazy! In-Reply-To: <455C8170.6000708@sonaural.com> References: <455A6DA3.6080603@sonaural.com> <455C8170.6000708@sonaural.com> Message-ID: <20061116172926.GB10170@slinkp.com> On Thu, Nov 16, 2006 at 07:19:12AM -0800, Brad Fuller wrote: > Thanks to everyone for their views on distros. But, don't let my > thanking stop you, it's a good thread. Learning issues of other distros > is helpful for me and I hope others. > > What I think I'll do is grab a completely clean HD and install Gentoo > when I have a free day. I might be coming back to the Gentoo experts > begging for help when I get lost! Another thing if you want to try a lot of distros, investigate the free VMWare products. It makes it trivial to bounce back and forth and try crazy experiments without ruining your existing system. Problem: I doubt you can use pro/semipro audio hardware at low latencies under VMWare, but I haven't tried that. -- Paul Winkler http://www.slinkp.com From brad at sonaural.com Thu Nov 16 12:47:20 2006 From: brad at sonaural.com (Brad Fuller) Date: Thu Nov 16 12:51:26 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] FC2->Fc3->Fc4->Fc5->FC6->FC*: it's crazy! In-Reply-To: <200611161823.43706.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> References: <455A6DA3.6080603@sonaural.com> <455C83B7.1000806@sonaural.com> <200611161823.43706.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> Message-ID: <455CA428.8050801@sonaural.com> Nigel Henry wrote: > On Thursday 16 November 2006 16:28, Brad Fuller wrote: > >> anyone use Ubuntu? >> > > Yes. At least Kubuntu. On my 2 machines, that's along with FC1,2,3,4, and 5, > Slackware 10.0, Debian Sarge, Debian Etch, and last but not least Gentoo. > Which one(s) do you prefer for audio work? From pw_lists at slinkp.com Thu Nov 16 12:53:26 2006 From: pw_lists at slinkp.com (Paul Winkler) Date: Thu Nov 16 12:55:28 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Sub-harmonic generator? (LADSPA or VST) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20061116175326.GC10170@slinkp.com> On Thu, Nov 16, 2006 at 08:39:36AM -0800, Tim Howard wrote: > Hello, > Does anyone know of a good plugin that will generate subharmonics? > I would like to put a little more low frequency "oomph" into my bass > track. Preferrable LADSPA, but VST would work, too. google knows everything: try Steve's "Audio Divider" plugin. I haven't tried it. Also somewhere in a crufty corner of the internet, I have a CSound orchestra that does this. Pretty simple algorithm, sounds pretty good IIRC. Not a plugin of course, but with CSound 5 and the -rtaudio=jack command option, you might be able to use it. google to the rescue again... http://www.mail-archive.com/linux-audio-dev@music.columbia.edu/msg09826.html -- Paul Winkler http://www.slinkp.com From yoenrico at gmail.com Thu Nov 16 13:24:11 2006 From: yoenrico at gmail.com (enrico) Date: Thu Nov 16 13:19:36 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] using Kubuntu Message-ID: <200611161924.11337.yoenrico@gmail.com> Hi all! In the past years I've allways been happy using Slackware for (professional)audio stuff,from versions 9.0 to 10.2.(never any timeconsuming (kernel)upgrades).Since I have bought a Acer 1690 laptop,that I usually don't use for audiorecording etc.,I decided to try out Kubuntu 6.06,because of the out of the box functionality concerning peripherals like WiFi,touchpad&wide screen graphics.I was able to get some of those working with Slackware ,but with great effort and some limitations though.To my great surprise it turned out that through the apt-get manager I was able to get Jack&Ardour up and running in no time,as where it always took me at least a day to get everything compiled on the good old P3/800.However,I have no idea about the lowest latencies I can get with it(with the shipped kernel)and if I want to compile things from scratch it's certainly no Slackware. Well,so far so good so nice! Just my eurocent... Enrico. From tdhoward at gmail.com Thu Nov 16 13:31:07 2006 From: tdhoward at gmail.com (Tim Howard) Date: Thu Nov 16 13:33:06 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Sub-harmonic generator? (LADSPA or VST) In-Reply-To: <20061116175326.GC10170@slinkp.com> References: <20061116175326.GC10170@slinkp.com> Message-ID: Ico wrote: > How about an el-cheapo pitch-shifter with a lowpass filter? I suppose I could do that, and sum it with the original wave. I was hoping for a single plugin solution though... Paul Winkler wrote: > google knows everything: try Steve's "Audio Divider" plugin. > I haven't tried it. I tried that one, and it does produce lower frequencies, but the output reminds me of the old Atari systems. It seems to just space the clicks farther apart... > > Also somewhere in a crufty corner of the internet, I have a CSound > orchestra that does this. Pretty simple algorithm, sounds pretty good > IIRC. Not a plugin of course, but with CSound 5 and the -rtaudio=jack > command option, you might be able to use it. google to the rescue > again... > http://www.mail-archive.com/linux-audio-dev@music.columbia.edu/msg09826.html Hmm, I've never done anything with CSound before. It looks a little daunting to me, but it can't be all that hard. Still, it's not quite the plugin sort of thing I was looking for. Maybe I'll try to rig something up in Om, with pitch-shifters and LP filters summed to the original... -TimH From ico at vt.edu Thu Nov 16 13:44:06 2006 From: ico at vt.edu (Ivica Ico Bukvic) Date: Thu Nov 16 13:44:15 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Sub-harmonic generator? (LADSPA or VST) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <002b01c709af$32a48cc0$0302a8c0@64BitBadass> > > How about an el-cheapo pitch-shifter with a lowpass filter? > > I suppose I could do that, and sum it with the original wave. I was > hoping for a single plugin solution though... You can. Jack-rack + dry/wet + amplifier Ico From pw_lists at slinkp.com Thu Nov 16 13:45:16 2006 From: pw_lists at slinkp.com (Paul Winkler) Date: Thu Nov 16 13:45:32 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Sub-harmonic generator? (LADSPA or VST) In-Reply-To: References: <20061116175326.GC10170@slinkp.com> Message-ID: <20061116184516.GE10170@slinkp.com> On Thu, Nov 16, 2006 at 10:31:07AM -0800, Tim Howard wrote: > I tried that one, and it does produce lower frequencies, but the > output reminds me of the old Atari systems. It seems to just space > the clicks farther apart... I think you just need to run it through a pretty agressive lowpass filter. -- Paul Winkler http://www.slinkp.com From tdhoward at gmail.com Thu Nov 16 14:23:34 2006 From: tdhoward at gmail.com (Tim Howard) Date: Thu Nov 16 14:23:43 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Sub-harmonic generator? (LADSPA or VST) In-Reply-To: <20061116184516.GE10170@slinkp.com> References: <20061116175326.GC10170@slinkp.com> <20061116184516.GE10170@slinkp.com> Message-ID: On 11/16/06, Paul Winkler wrote: > On Thu, Nov 16, 2006 at 10:31:07AM -0800, Tim Howard wrote: > > I tried that one, and it does produce lower frequencies, but the > > output reminds me of the old Atari systems. It seems to just space > > the clicks farther apart... > > I think you just need to run it through a pretty agressive lowpass filter. > LOL I hear that's the only difference between the old Atari systems and SoundBlaster cards... ;-) From cave.dnb at tiscali.fr Thu Nov 16 15:13:12 2006 From: cave.dnb at tiscali.fr (Nigel Henry) Date: Thu Nov 16 15:13:32 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] FC2->Fc3->Fc4->Fc5->FC6->FC*: it's crazy! In-Reply-To: <455CA428.8050801@sonaural.com> References: <455A6DA3.6080603@sonaural.com> <200611161823.43706.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> <455CA428.8050801@sonaural.com> Message-ID: <200611162113.12704.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> On Thursday 16 November 2006 18:47, Brad Fuller wrote: > Nigel Henry wrote: > > On Thursday 16 November 2006 16:28, Brad Fuller wrote: > >> anyone use Ubuntu? > > > > Yes. At least Kubuntu. On my 2 machines, that's along with FC1,2,3,4, > > and 5, Slackware 10.0, Debian Sarge, Debian Etch, and last but not least > > Gentoo. > > Which one(s) do you prefer for audio work? In many ways I'm not suitably qualified to answer this. I started off in computers, being quite old in 2003 with Win 98, then XP. Got some some music apps, mainly demos, as I wanted to try making music. I bought a licence for Making Waves (a step sequencer) which I've had a lot of fun with. The same year (2003) I ventured into Linux with an FC1 cover disk from Linux Format mag. I couldn't get any sounds out of it, until a short time later I found a link to planetccrma. I suppose I've become a bit biased, as there were many music apps available from planetccrma. As I've said I wanted to make music, but seem to have been distracted by wanting to try different disros, and over the last 3 years have spent more time trying them than making any music, apart from a couple of uploads of demos to the Gungirl site. Regarding Slackware, I don't know what the present situation is for music apps from a repo. Since Luke Yelavich found that he could no longer continue the audioslack site, and I did see that someone else was willing to continue with it, but havn't had Slackware booted up for a while, so don't know where this stands at the moment, but of course there's no problem installing the source files for music apps on Slackware. I looked on the link that was posted for Gentoo's proaudio thisafternoon, and there appear to be many music apps available for Gentoo. Mark Knecht used to use Fedora, and planetccrma, but has moved on to using Gentoo, and seems to very happy with the music apps provided , and that you don't have to keep upgrading the distro to a newer version, as you have to with others. Debian has loads of music apps available from the repos, and I've just done some updates on Kubuntu, then looked on synaptic for music apps. There don't seem to be as many music apps available on "Multimedia (universe)" as there are on planetccrma, but you can always install the music apps you want from the source files. Even on FC there are music apps that arn't available from planetccrma. I think of Mhwaveedit, https://gna.org/projects/mhwaveedit/ . To build it you need to have libsamplerate-devel, and libsndfile-devel installed, and to playback .mp3's you need to have lame installed, which is obtainable from Dag's repo or others. As to your question as to which distro do you prefer for music apps. I just think that this is a bit of a personal preference. If you can produce music on the distro of your choice, and it sounds ok, then that is ok with me. I suppose the only complaint that I, personally have, is that we only have only one real synth (ZynAddSubFx) provided by Paul Nasca. There are modular synths, but perhaps not so easy to work with. Looking back at Windows, there are loads of synths available. and yes, I know you have to pay for them. I only have the demos on my XP install, but there are so many synths with different sounds. It would be so nice if someone could write us another synth, different to ZynAddSubFx, but not in competition with it. Just another synth, with different sounds. Just my 2? worth. Take it as you will. Nigel. From pw_lists at slinkp.com Thu Nov 16 15:21:35 2006 From: pw_lists at slinkp.com (Paul Winkler) Date: Thu Nov 16 15:21:47 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] FC2->Fc3->Fc4->Fc5->FC6->FC*: it's crazy! In-Reply-To: <200611162113.12704.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> References: <455A6DA3.6080603@sonaural.com> <200611161823.43706.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> <455CA428.8050801@sonaural.com> <200611162113.12704.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> Message-ID: <20061116202135.GF10170@slinkp.com> On Thu, Nov 16, 2006 at 09:13:12PM +0100, Nigel Henry wrote: > I suppose the only complaint that I, personally have, is that we only have > only one real synth (ZynAddSubFx) provided by Paul Nasca. There are modular > synths, but perhaps not so easy to work with. In the other direction I'm also fond of amSynth, precisely because of how simple and limited it is. It doesn't take long to find an interesting sound. -- Paul Winkler http://www.slinkp.com From _ at whats-your.name Thu Nov 16 16:07:16 2006 From: _ at whats-your.name (carmen) Date: Thu Nov 16 16:07:37 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Interview with EnergyXT Developer In-Reply-To: <70a871c80611160042u6dc020cuf7df9bcf6532adbd@mail.gmail.com> References: <20061116024627.4248.qmail@web36811.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <70a871c80611160042u6dc020cuf7df9bcf6532adbd@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20061116210716.GC30333@replic.net> On Thu Nov 16, 2006 at 11:42:22AM +0300, Dmitry Baikov wrote: > Finally, a good sequencer. does it really offer much beyond seq24/dino/hydrogen/gneutronica in this department? can it do stuff like recursively trigger patterns from other patterns in realtime? if it can, is it flexible in the representation? ive downloaded the windows version before , and all i could figure out was it was sort of an om-synth that used VST instead of LADSPA, plus a piano roll.. in other words, if im paying $45, id like the source with it thanks :) > From cave.dnb at tiscali.fr Thu Nov 16 16:13:30 2006 From: cave.dnb at tiscali.fr (Nigel Henry) Date: Thu Nov 16 16:13:42 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] FC2->Fc3->Fc4->Fc5->FC6->FC*: it's crazy! In-Reply-To: <20061116202135.GF10170@slinkp.com> References: <455A6DA3.6080603@sonaural.com> <200611162113.12704.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> <20061116202135.GF10170@slinkp.com> Message-ID: <200611162213.30348.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> On Thursday 16 November 2006 21:21, Paul Winkler wrote: > On Thu, Nov 16, 2006 at 09:13:12PM +0100, Nigel Henry wrote: > > I suppose the only complaint that I, personally have, is that we only > > have only one real synth (ZynAddSubFx) provided by Paul Nasca. There are > > modular synths, but perhaps not so easy to work with. > > In the other direction I'm also fond of amSynth, precisely because of how > simple and limited it is. It doesn't take long to find an interesting > sound. Hi Paul. This sort of says it all really. It doesn't matter which distro you use, neither does it matter which music apps you use, as long as you get the results that you want. It all comes down to personal preference, and who can argue with that, after all, it's the music that matters. Nigel. From ernst at pulsewidth.ca Thu Nov 16 16:15:13 2006 From: ernst at pulsewidth.ca (Ernie Dulanowsky) Date: Thu Nov 16 16:15:58 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] FC2->Fc3->Fc4->Fc5->FC6->FC*: it's crazy! In-Reply-To: <20061116202135.GF10170@slinkp.com> References: <455A6DA3.6080603@sonaural.com> <200611161823.43706.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> <455CA428.8050801@sonaural.com> <200611162113.12704.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> <20061116202135.GF10170@slinkp.com> Message-ID: <321dfa6a0611161315v55320c9lf20c068bcb56bbcf@mail.gmail.com> The whysynth DSSI plugin is a decent enough synth. If you use it with the Ghostess DSSI host you can start multiple instances as required. On 11/16/06, Paul Winkler wrote: > On Thu, Nov 16, 2006 at 09:13:12PM +0100, Nigel Henry wrote: > > I suppose the only complaint that I, personally have, is that we only have > > only one real synth (ZynAddSubFx) provided by Paul Nasca. There are modular > > synths, but perhaps not so easy to work with. > > In the other direction I'm also fond of amSynth, precisely because of how > simple and limited it is. It doesn't take long to find an interesting > sound. > > -- > > Paul Winkler > http://www.slinkp.com > -- "Both Rob and I see sound as shapes. I only have to do this (makes a fist) and he knows what sound I mean". - Autechre ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: Ernie Dulanowsky CCNA CWLSS www.pulsewidth.ca From ico at vt.edu Thu Nov 16 17:27:54 2006 From: ico at vt.edu (Ivica Ico Bukvic) Date: Thu Nov 16 17:28:44 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Interview with EnergyXT Developer In-Reply-To: <20061116210716.GC30333@replic.net> Message-ID: <005201c709ce$76233400$0302a8c0@64BitBadass> I think one good thing that is coming out of this is that the creator has apparently convinced some VST makers to recompile their VSTs for Linux as well. So, not all that is commercial is necessarily evil... Ico > -----Original Message----- > From: linux-audio-user-bounces@music.columbia.edu [mailto:linux-audio- > user-bounces@music.columbia.edu] On Behalf Of carmen > Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2006 4:07 PM > To: linux-audio-user@music.columbia.edu > Subject: Re: [linux-audio-user] Interview with EnergyXT Developer > > On Thu Nov 16, 2006 at 11:42:22AM +0300, Dmitry Baikov wrote: > > Finally, a good sequencer. > > does it really offer much beyond seq24/dino/hydrogen/gneutronica in this > department? can it do stuff like recursively trigger patterns from other > patterns in realtime? if it can, is it flexible in the representation? ive > downloaded the windows version before , and all i could figure out was it > was sort of an om-synth that used VST instead of LADSPA, plus a piano > roll.. > > in other words, if im paying $45, id like the source with it thanks :) > > > From cave.dnb at tiscali.fr Thu Nov 16 17:39:59 2006 From: cave.dnb at tiscali.fr (Nigel Henry) Date: Thu Nov 16 17:40:29 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] FC2->Fc3->Fc4->Fc5->FC6->FC*: it's crazy! In-Reply-To: <321dfa6a0611161315v55320c9lf20c068bcb56bbcf@mail.gmail.com> References: <455A6DA3.6080603@sonaural.com> <20061116202135.GF10170@slinkp.com> <321dfa6a0611161315v55320c9lf20c068bcb56bbcf@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200611162339.59384.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> On Thursday 16 November 2006 22:15, Ernie Dulanowsky wrote: > The whysynth DSSI plugin is a decent enough synth. If you use it with > the Ghostess DSSI host you can start multiple instances as required. Sorry I'd neglected to include Whysynth, Sineshaper, and Hexter DSSI plugins, which all work really well. Nigel. > > On 11/16/06, Paul Winkler wrote: > > On Thu, Nov 16, 2006 at 09:13:12PM +0100, Nigel Henry wrote: > > > I suppose the only complaint that I, personally have, is that we only > > > have only one real synth (ZynAddSubFx) provided by Paul Nasca. There > > > are modular synths, but perhaps not so easy to work with. > > > > In the other direction I'm also fond of amSynth, precisely because of how > > simple and limited it is. It doesn't take long to find an interesting > > sound. > > > > -- > > > > Paul Winkler > > http://www.slinkp.com From fons.adriaensen at skynet.be Thu Nov 16 17:57:22 2006 From: fons.adriaensen at skynet.be (Fons Adriaensen) Date: Thu Nov 16 17:55:18 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Interview with EnergyXT Developer In-Reply-To: <005201c709ce$76233400$0302a8c0@64BitBadass> References: <20061116210716.GC30333@replic.net> <005201c709ce$76233400$0302a8c0@64BitBadass> Message-ID: <20061116225722.GK5926@linux-1.site> On Thu, Nov 16, 2006 at 05:27:54PM -0500, Ivica Ico Bukvic wrote: > I think one good thing that is coming out of this is that the creator has > apparently convinced some VST makers to recompile their VSTs for Linux as > well. So, not all that is commercial is necessarily evil... What does that mean, a VST compiled for Linux ? Will it work without a Windoze emulator ? -- FA Lascia la spina, cogli la rosa. From ico at vt.edu Thu Nov 16 18:00:24 2006 From: ico at vt.edu (Ivica Ico Bukvic) Date: Thu Nov 16 18:01:25 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Interview with EnergyXT Developer In-Reply-To: <20061116225722.GK5926@linux-1.site> Message-ID: <005a01c709d3$0264ac10$0302a8c0@64BitBadass> >From what I've gathered in his e-mail, yes, but then again, I am not entirely sure since I've not tried the software. Ico > -----Original Message----- > From: linux-audio-user-bounces@music.columbia.edu [mailto:linux-audio- > user-bounces@music.columbia.edu] On Behalf Of Fons Adriaensen > Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2006 5:57 PM > To: A list for linux audio users > Subject: Re: [linux-audio-user] Interview with EnergyXT Developer > > On Thu, Nov 16, 2006 at 05:27:54PM -0500, Ivica Ico Bukvic wrote: > > > I think one good thing that is coming out of this is that the creator > has > > apparently convinced some VST makers to recompile their VSTs for Linux > as > > well. So, not all that is commercial is necessarily evil... > > What does that mean, a VST compiled for Linux ? Will it work without > a Windoze emulator ? > > > -- > FA > > Lascia la spina, cogli la rosa. From ico at vt.edu Thu Nov 16 18:08:54 2006 From: ico at vt.edu (Ivica Ico Bukvic) Date: Thu Nov 16 18:09:00 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Interview with EnergyXT Developer In-Reply-To: <005a01c709d3$0264ac10$0302a8c0@64BitBadass> Message-ID: <006501c709d4$303e6260$0302a8c0@64BitBadass> Erm, I meant "his interview," not "his e-mail"... Whoever invented "multitasking" should be beaten up with an ATX case... Ico > -----Original Message----- > From: linux-audio-user-bounces@music.columbia.edu [mailto:linux-audio- > user-bounces@music.columbia.edu] On Behalf Of Ivica Ico Bukvic > Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2006 6:00 PM > To: 'A list for linux audio users' > Subject: RE: [linux-audio-user] Interview with EnergyXT Developer > > >From what I've gathered in his e-mail, yes, but then again, I am not > entirely sure since I've not tried the software. > > Ico > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: linux-audio-user-bounces@music.columbia.edu [mailto:linux-audio- > > user-bounces@music.columbia.edu] On Behalf Of Fons Adriaensen > > Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2006 5:57 PM > > To: A list for linux audio users > > Subject: Re: [linux-audio-user] Interview with EnergyXT Developer > > > > On Thu, Nov 16, 2006 at 05:27:54PM -0500, Ivica Ico Bukvic wrote: > > > > > I think one good thing that is coming out of this is that the creator > > has > > > apparently convinced some VST makers to recompile their VSTs for Linux > > as > > > well. So, not all that is commercial is necessarily evil... > > > > What does that mean, a VST compiled for Linux ? Will it work without > > a Windoze emulator ? > > > > > > -- > > FA > > > > Lascia la spina, cogli la rosa. From linuxuadio at rytmisk.net Thu Nov 16 16:29:58 2006 From: linuxuadio at rytmisk.net (Ketil Thorgersen) Date: Thu Nov 16 18:32:42 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] using Kubuntu In-Reply-To: <200611161924.11337.yoenrico@gmail.com> References: <200611161924.11337.yoenrico@gmail.com> Message-ID: <455CD856.2070208@rytmisk.net> enrico wrote: > Hi all! > > In the past years I've allways been happy using Slackware for > (professional)audio stuff,from versions 9.0 to 10.2.(never any timeconsuming > (kernel)upgrades).Since I have bought a Acer 1690 laptop,that I usually don't > use for audiorecording etc.,I decided to try out Kubuntu 6.06,because of the > out of the box functionality concerning peripherals like WiFi,touchpad&wide > screen graphics.I was able to get some of those working with Slackware ,but > with great effort and some limitations though.To my great surprise it turned > out that through the apt-get manager I was able to get Jack&Ardour up and > running in no time,as where it always took me at least a day to get > everything compiled on the good old P3/800.However,I have no idea about the > lowest latencies I can get with it(with the shipped kernel)and if I want to > compile things from scratch it's certainly no Slackware. > > Well,so far so good so nice! > > Just my eurocent... > > Enrico. > > > > I'd suggest you go to http://www.ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=128 and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio to see what you can do with (k)ubuntu. UbuntuStudio seems to be a nice project! Best! Ketil From labradley at mindspring.com Thu Nov 16 18:32:58 2006 From: labradley at mindspring.com (Larry Alkoff) Date: Thu Nov 16 18:33:06 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] How to rip and rename file Message-ID: <455CF52A.1040600@mindspring.com> I am new and just starting out to rip my purchased cdroms from the 60's using abcde which was highly recommended in a thread in the archives. When I rip, the tags are put in from cddb but the mp3 files names come out like 'track 1.mps'. Looking at the man pages for cdparanoia, lame and of course abcde I see no way to control the nameing of the files. My command line for abcde is: sudo abcde -V -k -o mp3 -d /dev/hdd and in ~/.abcde.conf I use the options: LAMEOPTS=--v -h CDPARANOIAOPTS=--verbose -B Am I missing a step to have the files properly named? -- Larry Alkoff N2LA - Austin TX Using Thunderbird on Linux From paniq at paniq.org Thu Nov 16 19:29:48 2006 From: paniq at paniq.org (Leonard "paniq" Ritter) Date: Thu Nov 16 19:30:05 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] alsa hda_intel and jack Message-ID: <1163723388.5553.3.camel@localhost> has anyone had experience with the intel ICH7 (high definition audio) chipset (alsa hda-intel driver) and jack with the alsa backend? i seem to be getting about 30 xruns per second, sound stutters, no matter what settings i try. -- -- Leonard Ritter -- http://www.leonard-ritter.com -- http://www.paniq.org From gnome at hawaii.rr.com Thu Nov 16 19:46:56 2006 From: gnome at hawaii.rr.com (david) Date: Thu Nov 16 19:47:13 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] How to rip and rename file In-Reply-To: <455CF52A.1040600@mindspring.com> References: <455CF52A.1040600@mindspring.com> Message-ID: <455D0680.3000303@hawaii.rr.com> Larry Alkoff wrote: > I am new and just starting out to rip my purchased cdroms from the 60's > using abcde which was highly recommended in a thread in the archives. > > When I rip, the tags are put in from cddb but the mp3 files names come > out like 'track 1.mps'. > > Looking at the man pages for cdparanoia, lame and of course abcde I see > no way to control the nameing of the files. > > My command line for abcde is: > sudo abcde -V -k -o mp3 -d /dev/hdd > > and in ~/.abcde.conf I use the options: > LAMEOPTS=--v -h > CDPARANOIAOPTS=--verbose -B > > Am I missing a step to have the files properly named? I don't know. I use KAudioCreator to rip CDs, and it automatically names the files and puts them in folders by artist and album, -- David gnome@hawaii.rr.com authenticity, honesty, community From rlrevell at joe-job.com Thu Nov 16 20:06:26 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Thu Nov 16 20:07:49 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] alsa hda_intel and jack In-Reply-To: <1163723388.5553.3.camel@localhost> References: <1163723388.5553.3.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <1163725587.27858.41.camel@mindpipe> On Fri, 2006-11-17 at 01:29 +0100, Leonard "paniq" Ritter wrote: > has anyone had experience with the intel ICH7 (high definition audio) > chipset (alsa hda-intel driver) and jack with the alsa backend? i seem > to be getting about 30 xruns per second, sound stutters, no matter what > settings i try. > You need to give more information. Codec, motherboard, dmesg output, kernel/ALSA version, etc. Every machine with HDA intel chipset basically has to be debugged separately. Lee From _ at whats-your.name Thu Nov 16 20:10:30 2006 From: _ at whats-your.name (carmen) Date: Thu Nov 16 20:11:46 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Interview with EnergyXT Developer Message-ID: <20061117011030.GD30333@replic.net> > What does that mean, a VST compiled for Linux ? Will it work without > a Windoze emulator ? im pretty sure Aldrin does much of what energyXT does. plus it supports LADSPA, DSSI, buzz machines, and is hackable and free, but yes, in the screenshot are the "mDA" plugins, which were some of the first (free) VST plugins in around 1996 or so..history repeating? From _ at whats-your.name Thu Nov 16 21:26:15 2006 From: _ at whats-your.name (carmen) Date: Thu Nov 16 21:26:23 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] baudline source code (GPL?) Message-ID: <20061117022615.GF30333@replic.net> http://www.baudline.com/source_code.html does anyone have a copy? the webpage sais this: Purchase the GPL source code for the baudline signal analyzer. The source code is expensive and it is intended for qualified corporate or institutional buyers. Contact us for details. Note that baudline is dual licensed which allows for customization, derivative works, redistribution, and the free download version. * proprietary and GPL source code licenses are available is it even possible to dual-license, but set the bar for a fork at 10 grand, or whatever the 'buy the GPL source' tag is? is it even GPL if you have to buy it to create a fork? From lau at kudla.org Thu Nov 16 21:40:02 2006 From: lau at kudla.org (Rob) Date: Thu Nov 16 21:41:15 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] baudline source code (GPL?) In-Reply-To: <20061117022615.GF30333@replic.net> References: <20061117022615.GF30333@replic.net> Message-ID: <200611162140.03125.lau@kudla.org> On Thursday 16 November 2006 21:26, carmen wrote: > is it even possible to dual-license, but set the bar for a > fork at 10 grand, or whatever the 'buy the GPL source' tag is? > is it even GPL if you have to buy it to create a fork? Sure. The GPL doesn't kick in until you actually distribute the code. If you give someone a binary, you have to give them the source for a nominal fee (or free.) But you can ask for as much money as you want before you give them anything. You just can't prevent them from continuing to distribute their fork under the GPL. It's similar to what Blender did, but without any promise to work with the community after the "ransom" is paid. Rob From seablaede at gmail.com Thu Nov 16 21:56:55 2006 From: seablaede at gmail.com (Thomas Vecchione) Date: Thu Nov 16 21:50:20 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] baudline source code (GPL?) In-Reply-To: <200611162140.03125.lau@kudla.org> References: <20061117022615.GF30333@replic.net> <200611162140.03125.lau@kudla.org> Message-ID: <455D24F7.80105@gmail.com> > Sure. The GPL doesn't kick in until you actually distribute the > code. If you give someone a binary, you have to give them the > source for a nominal fee (or free.) But you can ask for as much > money as you want before you give them anything. > Not sure that is true in the way they worded on their site... From the GPLv2 > You may copy and distribute the Program (or a work based on it, under Section 2) in object code or executable form under the terms of Sections 1 and 2 above provided that you also do one of the following: > > a) Accompany it with the complete corresponding machine-readable source code, which must be distributed under the terms of Sections 1 and 2 above on a medium customarily used for software interchange; or, > b) Accompany it with a written offer, valid for at least three years, to give any third party, for a charge no more than your cost of physically performing source distribution, a complete machine-readable copy of the corresponding source code, to be distributed under the terms of Sections 1 and 2 above on a medium customarily used for software interchange; or, > c) Accompany it with the information you received as to the offer to distribute corresponding source code. (This alternative is allowed only for noncommercial distribution and only if you received the program in object code or executable form with such an offer, in accord with Subsection b above.) > So it would be ok for them to say, if you wish to discuss us licensing the code under GPL we would be willing to do for a price of XXXXX But what they have on their site states it is already covered by GPL license, which would mean they should not be charging for it if they are distributing the compiled code already I believe. Basically they should change the wording on their site to state that it is not under GPL currently. Seablade From labradley at mindspring.com Thu Nov 16 23:55:55 2006 From: labradley at mindspring.com (Larry Alkoff) Date: Thu Nov 16 23:55:41 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] How to rip and rename file In-Reply-To: <455CF52A.1040600@mindspring.com> References: <455CF52A.1040600@mindspring.com> Message-ID: <455D40DB.8050102@mindspring.com> Larry Alkoff wrote: > I am new and just starting out to rip my purchased cdroms from the 60's > using abcde which was highly recommended in a thread in the archives. > > When I rip, the tags are put in from cddb but the mp3 files names come > out like 'track 1.mps'. > > Looking at the man pages for cdparanoia, lame and of course abcde I see > no way to control the nameing of the files. > > My command line for abcde is: > sudo abcde -V -k -o mp3 -d /dev/hdd > > and in ~/.abcde.conf I use the options: > LAMEOPTS=--v -h > CDPARANOIAOPTS=--verbose -B > > Am I missing a step to have the files properly named? > Problem solved. Apparently, in .abcdeconf if you change #NOSUBMIT=n to NOSUBMIT=y which means you will _not_ be asked if you want to edit the cddb tag information, then abcde will use the proper names from cddb for the directory and file names. Go figure on why. Larry -- Larry Alkoff N2LA - Austin TX Using Thunderbird on Linux From linuxuadio at rytmisk.net Thu Nov 16 21:56:46 2006 From: linuxuadio at rytmisk.net (Ketil Thorgersen) Date: Thu Nov 16 23:59:16 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] FC2->Fc3->Fc4->Fc5->FC6->FC*: it's crazy! In-Reply-To: <455B328C.8090002@sonaural.com> References: <455A6DA3.6080603@sonaural.com> <5bdc1c8b0611142019s5c1558c5s3a58df7b668c1f6e@mail.gmail.com> <455AB202.10609@sonaural.com> <5bdc1c8b0611150537r551bbb3am183f4548b813c3be@mail.gmail.com> <455B328C.8090002@sonaural.com> Message-ID: <455D24EE.4080703@rytmisk.net> Brad Fuller wrote: > Mark Knecht wrote: > >> On 11/14/06, Brad Fuller wrote: >> >>> Do you have any problems getting the latest audio apps? (that is, not >>> compiling, but already packaged) >>> >> No problems with that. There is now a maintained 'proaudio' overlay >> that gives access to pretty much everything I know about. (No >> promises!) you can find out more about the overlay here: >> >> http://proaudio.tuxfamily.org/wiki/index.php?title=Main_Page >> Hi Anyone tried any of the graphic binary installs of gentoo like kororaa (http://kororaa.org)? I was really tempted to try gentoo again, but the install procedure has made me crazy twice before so I'd rather avoid that! The proaudio overlay seems fantastic! Best Ketil From k.s.matheussen at notam02.no Fri Nov 17 02:32:22 2006 From: k.s.matheussen at notam02.no (Kjetil S. Matheussen) Date: Fri Nov 17 02:32:31 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: FC2->Fc3->Fc4->Fc5->FC6->FC*: it's crazy! In-Reply-To: <20061116175527.B2FEB41E9DF9@music.columbia.edu> References: <20061116175527.B2FEB41E9DF9@music.columbia.edu> Message-ID: Paul Winkler: > > On Thu, Nov 16, 2006 at 07:19:12AM -0800, Brad Fuller wrote: >> Thanks to everyone for their views on distros. But, don't let my >> thanking stop you, it's a good thread. Learning issues of other distros >> is helpful for me and I hope others. >> >> What I think I'll do is grab a completely clean HD and install Gentoo >> when I have a free day. I might be coming back to the Gentoo experts >> begging for help when I get lost! > > Another thing if you want to try a lot of distros, investigate the free > VMWare products. It makes it trivial to bounce back and forth and try > crazy experiments without ruining your existing system. > > Problem: I doubt you can use pro/semipro audio hardware at low > latencies under VMWare, but I haven't tried that. > By using Torbhen's netjack driver, I guess it should be possible to send audio back and forth between the vmware side and the host side in a synchronized way. It might work very well. (I tried running jackdmp in windows under vmware, and that worked very well. Unfortunately, I didn't have the tools to compile netjack under windows... (someone should make a package of netjack for windows :-) )) From v2 at iki.fi Fri Nov 17 02:33:52 2006 From: v2 at iki.fi (Sampo Savolainen) Date: Fri Nov 17 02:36:42 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] alsa hda_intel and jack Message-ID: <1163748832.455d65e0e8d2f@www1.helsinki.fi> Quoting "Leonard \"paniq\" Ritter" : > > has anyone had experience with the intel ICH7 (high definition audio) > chipset (alsa hda-intel driver) and jack with the alsa backend? i seem > to be getting about 30 xruns per second, sound stutters, no matter what > settings i try. Try different settings for the module parameters disable_msi and position_fix . See "modinfo snd-hda-intel" for more information. That solved the problem for me (and enabling capture on the device to make it actually return samples for capturing). Sampo From k.s.matheussen at notam02.no Fri Nov 17 02:44:57 2006 From: k.s.matheussen at notam02.no (Kjetil S. Matheussen) Date: Fri Nov 17 02:45:26 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Interview with EnergyXT Developer In-Reply-To: <20061116233256.DCFB7420328F@music.columbia.edu> References: <20061116233256.DCFB7420328F@music.columbia.edu> Message-ID: Fons Adriaensen: > > On Thu, Nov 16, 2006 at 05:27:54PM -0500, Ivica Ico Bukvic wrote: > >> I think one good thing that is coming out of this is that the creator has >> apparently convinced some VST makers to recompile their VSTs for Linux as >> well. So, not all that is commercial is necessarily evil... > > What does that mean, a VST compiled for Linux ? Will it work without > a Windoze emulator ? > Sure, many vst plugins either don't have a gui, or are based on toolsets that are available for linux as well, such as juce, vstgui and fltk. (I've been reading the vst development list for some years) I think its a shame that a non-free program was necessary to make some VST makers recompile their VSTs for linux though... From rj at spamatica.se Fri Nov 17 02:48:48 2006 From: rj at spamatica.se (rj@spamatica.se) Date: Fri Nov 17 02:49:05 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Interview with EnergyXT Developer In-Reply-To: <20061116225722.GK5926@linux-1.site> References: <20061116210716.GC30333@replic.net> <005201c709ce$76233400$0302a8c0@64BitBadass> <20061116225722.GK5926@linux-1.site> Message-ID: <455D6960.8070404@spamatica.se> Fons Adriaensen skrev: > On Thu, Nov 16, 2006 at 05:27:54PM -0500, Ivica Ico Bukvic wrote: > > >> I think one good thing that is coming out of this is that the creator has >> apparently convinced some VST makers to recompile their VSTs for Linux as >> well. So, not all that is commercial is necessarily evil... >> > > What does that mean, a VST compiled for Linux ? Will it work without > a Windoze emulator ? > > There is no inherent problem to recompile VSTs for native linux, ecasound has had support for lots of years, not much use though since there has been no plugins.. I talked to the guy via mail and he is going to setup a linux-vst site with information, this can be the start of something good! /Robert From dubphil at free.fr Fri Nov 17 02:58:24 2006 From: dubphil at free.fr (Dubphil) Date: Fri Nov 17 02:58:41 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] FC2->Fc3->Fc4->Fc5->FC6->FC*: it's crazy! In-Reply-To: <455D24EE.4080703@rytmisk.net> References: <455A6DA3.6080603@sonaural.com> <5bdc1c8b0611142019s5c1558c5s3a58df7b668c1f6e@mail.gmail.com> <455AB202.10609@sonaural.com> <5bdc1c8b0611150537r551bbb3am183f4548b813c3be@mail.gmail.com> <455B328C.8090002@sonaural.com> <455D24EE.4080703@rytmisk.net> Message-ID: <4314.80.124.137.204.1163750304.squirrel@webmail.migratis.net> > Anyone tried any of the graphic binary installs of gentoo like kororaa > (http://kororaa.org)? I was really tempted to try gentoo again, but the > install procedure has made me crazy twice before so I'd rather avoid > that! The proaudio overlay seems fantastic! Excellent ! I didn't know this project. The point is that we begin to use Gentoo with prebuild software, but what about next after an emerge world ? Does it continue to use binary package or does it switch to source base upgrade ? Nevertheles I will try it to see its ability to detect hardware and set up all the stuff. Thanks for the link ! Philippe From gnome at hawaii.rr.com Fri Nov 17 03:11:10 2006 From: gnome at hawaii.rr.com (david) Date: Fri Nov 17 03:11:23 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] How to rip and rename file In-Reply-To: <455D40DB.8050102@mindspring.com> References: <455CF52A.1040600@mindspring.com> <455D40DB.8050102@mindspring.com> Message-ID: <455D6E9E.3070108@hawaii.rr.com> Larry Alkoff wrote: > Apparently, in .abcdeconf if you change > #NOSUBMIT=n > to > NOSUBMIT=y > which means you will _not_ be asked if you want to edit the cddb tag > information, then abcde will use the proper names from cddb for the > directory and file names. Go figure on why. I guess NOSUBMIT=y means don't submit names to the user ... -- David gnome@hawaii.rr.com authenticity, honesty, community From linuxuadio at rytmisk.net Fri Nov 17 02:54:10 2006 From: linuxuadio at rytmisk.net (Ketil Thorgersen) Date: Fri Nov 17 04:56:15 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] FC2->Fc3->Fc4->Fc5->FC6->FC*: it's crazy! In-Reply-To: <4314.80.124.137.204.1163750304.squirrel@webmail.migratis.net> References: <455A6DA3.6080603@sonaural.com> <5bdc1c8b0611142019s5c1558c5s3a58df7b668c1f6e@mail.gmail.com> <455AB202.10609@sonaural.com> <5bdc1c8b0611150537r551bbb3am183f4548b813c3be@mail.gmail.com> <455B328C.8090002@sonaural.com> <455D24EE.4080703@rytmisk.net> <4314.80.124.137.204.1163750304.squirrel@webmail.migratis.net> Message-ID: <455D6AA2.2040801@rytmisk.net> Dubphil wrote: >> Anyone tried any of the graphic binary installs of gentoo like kororaa >> (http://kororaa.org)? I was really tempted to try gentoo again, but the >> install procedure has made me crazy twice before so I'd rather avoid >> that! The proaudio overlay seems fantastic! >> > > Excellent ! I didn't know this project. The point is that we begin to use > Gentoo with prebuild software, but what about next after an emerge world ? > Does it continue to use binary package or does it switch to source base > upgrade ? Nevertheles I will try it to see its ability to detect hardware > and set up all the stuff. > > Thanks for the link ! > > Philippe > > > > > Great! Please report back! Ketil From nettings at folkwang-hochschule.de Fri Nov 17 05:00:01 2006 From: nettings at folkwang-hochschule.de (Joern Nettingsmeier) Date: Fri Nov 17 05:01:58 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: [linux-audio-dev] [admin] new linux-audio-* maintainer wanted... In-Reply-To: <45547339.5000102@folkwang-hochschule.de> References: <45547339.5000102@folkwang-hochschule.de> Message-ID: <455D8821.3000809@folkwang-hochschule.de> hi marc-olivier, hi everyone! since there hasn't been any further discussion, i'm wrapping up the current state of affairs - from now on, "lazy consensus" is in effect, so if you disagree, holler now :) marc-olivier barre is volunteering to take over the job of list maintainer. thanks again for this kind offer! ico suggests to move the lists to linuxaudio.org. i like both ideas :) marc, if your offer still stands, please get in touch with me via private mail and send me an ssh key to grant you access to the list server account. (i will have to check with the site admin before installing it, but i'm sure there will be no objections.) to the others: i think it would be good to have another two list moderators for linux-audio-announce, in case people ever want to go on (gasp!) vacation, and to reduce the moderation lag... any takers? best regards, j?rn From paniq at paniq.org Fri Nov 17 05:59:41 2006 From: paniq at paniq.org (Leonard "paniq" Ritter) Date: Fri Nov 17 06:00:50 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] alsa hda_intel and jack In-Reply-To: <1163748832.455d65e0e8d2f@www1.helsinki.fi> References: <1163748832.455d65e0e8d2f@www1.helsinki.fi> Message-ID: <1163761181.5528.1.camel@localhost> On Fri, 2006-11-17 at 09:33 +0200, Sampo Savolainen wrote: > Try different settings for the module parameters disable_msi and > position_fix . See "modinfo snd-hda-intel" for more information. by golly! position_fix=1 does at least get rid of the xruns ... have to test if it does work properly as well later on. be praised! for who is interested: the card is a 00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801G (ICH7 Family) High Definition Audio Controller (rev 02) -- -- Leonard Ritter -- http://www.leonard-ritter.com -- http://www.paniq.org From paul at linuxaudiosystems.com Fri Nov 17 08:19:58 2006 From: paul at linuxaudiosystems.com (Paul Davis) Date: Fri Nov 17 08:20:27 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Interview with EnergyXT Developer In-Reply-To: <455D6960.8070404@spamatica.se> References: <20061116210716.GC30333@replic.net> <005201c709ce$76233400$0302a8c0@64BitBadass> <20061116225722.GK5926@linux-1.site> <455D6960.8070404@spamatica.se> Message-ID: <1163769598.2717.83.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Fri, 2006-11-17 at 08:48 +0100, rj@spamatica.se wrote: > Fons Adriaensen skrev: > > On Thu, Nov 16, 2006 at 05:27:54PM -0500, Ivica Ico Bukvic wrote: > > > > > >> I think one good thing that is coming out of this is that the creator has > >> apparently convinced some VST makers to recompile their VSTs for Linux as > >> well. So, not all that is commercial is necessarily evil... > >> > > > > What does that mean, a VST compiled for Linux ? Will it work without > > a Windoze emulator ? > > > > > There is no inherent problem to recompile VSTs for native linux, what are you talking about? almost every VST plugin has a GUI written using a GUI toolkit that is not available for linux. so sure, "no inherent problem" but that actually means "no inherent problem but in practice its so much work that nobody does it". From paul at linuxaudiosystems.com Fri Nov 17 08:22:03 2006 From: paul at linuxaudiosystems.com (Paul Davis) Date: Fri Nov 17 08:22:13 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Interview with EnergyXT Developer In-Reply-To: References: <20061116233256.DCFB7420328F@music.columbia.edu> Message-ID: <1163769723.2717.86.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Fri, 2006-11-17 at 08:44 +0100, Kjetil S. Matheussen wrote: > Fons Adriaensen: > > > > On Thu, Nov 16, 2006 at 05:27:54PM -0500, Ivica Ico Bukvic wrote: > > > >> I think one good thing that is coming out of this is that the creator has > >> apparently convinced some VST makers to recompile their VSTs for Linux as > >> well. So, not all that is commercial is necessarily evil... > > > > What does that mean, a VST compiled for Linux ? Will it work without > > a Windoze emulator ? > > > > Sure, many vst plugins either don't have a gui, or are based on toolsets > that are available for linux as well, such as juce, vstgui and fltk. > (I've been reading the vst development list for some years) vstgui is not really available for linux at this time. theoretically there is a motif backend, but it seems that hardly anyone uses it or even attempts to make sure that it works with the latest changes to vstgui. i think that the number of vst plugins using JUCE or FLTK can be counted on the fingers of one person's hands. From rj at spamatica.se Fri Nov 17 08:46:17 2006 From: rj at spamatica.se (rj@spamatica.se) Date: Fri Nov 17 08:47:11 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Interview with EnergyXT Developer In-Reply-To: <1163769598.2717.83.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <20061116210716.GC30333@replic.net> <005201c709ce$76233400$0302a8c0@64BitBadass> <20061116225722.GK5926@linux-1.site> <455D6960.8070404@spamatica.se> <1163769598.2717.83.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <455DBD29.6030400@spamatica.se> Paul Davis skrev: > On Fri, 2006-11-17 at 08:48 +0100, rj@spamatica.se wrote: > >> Fons Adriaensen skrev: >> >>> On Thu, Nov 16, 2006 at 05:27:54PM -0500, Ivica Ico Bukvic wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>>> I think one good thing that is coming out of this is that the creator has >>>> apparently convinced some VST makers to recompile their VSTs for Linux as >>>> well. So, not all that is commercial is necessarily evil... >>>> >>>> >>> What does that mean, a VST compiled for Linux ? Will it work without >>> a Windoze emulator ? >>> >>> >>> >> There is no inherent problem to recompile VSTs for native linux, >> > > what are you talking about? almost every VST plugin has a GUI written > using a GUI toolkit that is not available for linux. so sure, "no > inherent problem" but that actually means "no inherent problem but in > practice its so much work that nobody does it". I didn't get a clear answer if he has implemented vstgui in linux, if he has I think you are wrong. Atleast the plugins that are available on both Win32 and OSX should be possible to migrate. We will just have to wait and see. /Robert From hitmuri at no-log.org Fri Nov 17 09:42:31 2006 From: hitmuri at no-log.org (Hitmuri) Date: Fri Nov 17 09:42:58 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Problem with SC4 ladpa plugin and jack-rack Message-ID: <455DCA57.7050201@no-log.org> Hi everyone, I have a problem with the SC4 plugin in jack-rack . I have a created a rack and when i reopen it, i have to move a little all the sliders of the plugin to activate it, unless the effect isn't applied to the sound. I use a patched version of jack-rack 1.4.5rc-1 , and planet ccrma packages on fedora core 5 ( swh-plugins-0.4.15-2.fc5 ) . Does anyone have I an idea ? Thanks Flo From ico at vt.edu Fri Nov 17 11:07:27 2006 From: ico at vt.edu (Ivica Ico Bukvic) Date: Fri Nov 17 11:08:00 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] RE: [linux-audio-dev] [admin] new linux-audio-* maintainer wanted... In-Reply-To: <200611170949.44200.gene.heskett@verizon.net> Message-ID: <00bd01c70a62$7a47ff40$0302a8c0@64BitBadass> AFAIK, there's no reason for the subscriptions to disappear if they are ported. In the worst case scenario, you may have to request a resend/regeneration of password should you decide to unsubscribe, but even that may not be necessary (depending how the listserv is set up on the old vs. new machine). Ico > -----Original Message----- > From: linux-audio-dev-bounces@music.columbia.edu [mailto:linux-audio-dev- > bounces@music.columbia.edu] On Behalf Of Gene Heskett > Sent: Friday, November 17, 2006 9:50 AM > To: linux-audio-dev@music.columbia.edu > Cc: Joern Nettingsmeier; linux-audio-user@music.columbia.edu > Subject: Re: [linux-audio-dev] [admin] new linux-audio-* maintainer > wanted... > > On Friday 17 November 2006 05:00, Joern Nettingsmeier wrote: > >hi marc-olivier, hi everyone! > > > > > >since there hasn't been any further discussion, i'm wrapping up the > >current state of affairs - from now on, "lazy consensus" is in effect, > >so if you disagree, holler now :) > > > >marc-olivier barre is volunteering to take over the job of list > >maintainer. thanks again for this kind offer! > >ico suggests to move the lists to linuxaudio.org. > >i like both ideas :) > > > >marc, if your offer still stands, please get in touch with me via > >private mail and send me an ssh key to grant you access to the list > >server account. (i will have to check with the site admin before > >installing it, but i'm sure there will be no objections.) > > > >to the others: i think it would be good to have another two list > >moderators for linux-audio-announce, in case people ever want to go on > >(gasp!) vacation, and to reduce the moderation lag... any takers? > > > Will our subscriptions also move, or do we have to re-register at the new > site? > > > > >best regards, > > > >j?rn > > -- > Cheers, Gene > "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: > soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." > -Ed Howdershelt (Author) > Yahoo.com and AOL/TW attorneys please note, additions to the above > message by Gene Heskett are: > Copyright 2006 by Maurice Eugene Heskett, all rights reserved. From yoenrico at gmail.com Fri Nov 17 11:32:59 2006 From: yoenrico at gmail.com (enrico) Date: Fri Nov 17 11:33:23 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] using Kubuntu Message-ID: <200611171733.00097.yoenrico@gmail.com> Thanks 4 da linx,Ketil.And o,o,there goes my time agaaaiiin! groetjas,Enrico. From capocasa at gmx.net Fri Nov 17 12:14:06 2006 From: capocasa at gmx.net (Carlo Capocasa) Date: Fri Nov 17 12:15:27 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Wanted: Singing Capacitor Fix In-Reply-To: <455C2A4B.2090505@hawaii.rr.com> References: <20061113170742.807B040B82AA@music.columbia.edu> <455AB3DE.5020708@hawaii.rr.com> <455AE0FC.3020001@hawaii.rr.com> <455AF460.9000106@freenet.de> <455B7FCD.6080103@hawaii.rr.com> <455C2A4B.2090505@hawaii.rr.com> Message-ID: LOL Well after promoting concerts I can assure you it is definitely NOT easy fun... Especially since you put your name on the poster but nobody knows what exactly you do there. As far as easy fun goes... it's simply not very rewarding in my experience. I'm a pain addict when it comes to work. The other part, I read that in a book based on Machiavelli called 'The 48 Laws of Power' and it's so grotesque it's actually pretty funny. > After two years experience as a professional musician (many decades > ago), I think anyone who chooses that field had better like lots of hard > work! I think "easy fun" is reserved for agents and concert promoters. ;-) > Wanna join my online community? It's empty so far, probably because there's no music on the site yet. :) But we could really use some people with experience in the business there. http://www.carlocapocasa.com If you wanna give me your opinion on the site and my marketing concept (should be visible having a look at the site) feel free! The site's a work in progress and will never be finished, but will hopefully bring my music to many people in the meantime. Carlo From capocasa at gmx.net Fri Nov 17 12:14:57 2006 From: capocasa at gmx.net (Carlo Capocasa) Date: Fri Nov 17 12:20:29 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Wanted: Singing Capacitor Fix In-Reply-To: <455C2A4B.2090505@hawaii.rr.com> References: <20061113170742.807B040B82AA@music.columbia.edu> <455AB3DE.5020708@hawaii.rr.com> <455AE0FC.3020001@hawaii.rr.com> <455AF460.9000106@freenet.de> <455B7FCD.6080103@hawaii.rr.com> <455C2A4B.2090505@hawaii.rr.com> Message-ID: Oh yeah I should have said: "We could really use some people with experience in the business who actually have a sense of humor in the community :)" Carlo From mail at jensgulden.de Fri Nov 17 17:12:19 2006 From: mail at jensgulden.de (Jens Gulden) Date: Fri Nov 17 17:12:36 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [Music] 3 songs digitally remastered with Linux Message-ID: <455E33C3.4090003@jensgulden.de> Hello, there are 3 songs which may be of interest for this list, since they got digitally remastered with Linux using JAMin: Schlaf - http://user.cs.tu-berlin.de/~jgulden/musik/01-Schlaf.ogg Neuland - http://user.cs.tu-berlin.de/~jgulden/musik/02-Neuland.ogg Anomasil - http://user.cs.tu-berlin.de/~jgulden/musik/03-Anomasil.ogg For details, mp3s and lyrics (german/english) see http://www.jensgulden.de/music.kick. Some information on how the remastering was done is available at http://www.jensgulden.de/music_remastered.kick. The original sound files are also available there, allowing to compare the results with / without remastering. I'm happy about any comments or hints regarding the remastering. The original recordings of Schlaf and Neuland had been made in 1995 and 1996, using an 8-track analog tape recorder, an i486 computer with 8 MB RAM running an early version of Cakewalk on Windows 3.1, plus a Roland E-70 and a Kawai K4 as synthesizers. Special thanks to Jan Depner, Steve Harris, Jack O'Quin, Ron Parker and Patrick Shirkey who work on JAMin (http://jamin.sourceforge.net/). It's impressive what it can do. thanks for listening Jens From marcospcmusica at gmail.com Fri Nov 17 15:37:01 2006 From: marcospcmusica at gmail.com (Marcos Guglielmetti) Date: Fri Nov 17 19:38:09 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Too many xruns after upgrade from debian/testing Message-ID: <200611172137.02408.marcospcmusica@gmail.com> Hi! Since a year or so, JACK has been working very well on my machine and on many Musix GNU/Linux installed systems (Debian/testing / Knoppix based distro) But yesterday I upgraded JACK to: 0.101.1-2 version and I have too many xruns and some audible clics This 0.101.1-2 version has some bug or something? I have a SB Live! soundcard (I could give you a better hardware /software report if you need it) Thanks in advance... -- Marcos Guglielmetti * Director del desarrollo de Musix GNU+Linux, 100% Software Libre * CD Donwload: (http://www.musix.org.ar/en/) * Videos, programas y otras cosas en: ftp://musix.ourproject.org/pub/musix/ * Reporte de errores a: https://www.musix.org.ar/wiki/index.php?title=Problemas-Bugs *IRC: #musix channel on freenode * Torrent Download: https://e.ututo.org.ar/utiles/torrent/MusixGNU-Linux0.59.iso.torrent From rlrevell at joe-job.com Fri Nov 17 19:39:41 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Fri Nov 17 19:40:17 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: [Jackit-devel] Too many xruns after upgrade from debian/testing In-Reply-To: <200611172137.02408.marcospcmusica@gmail.com> References: <200611172137.02408.marcospcmusica@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1163810382.8128.97.camel@mindpipe> On Fri, 2006-11-17 at 21:37 +0100, Marcos Guglielmetti wrote: > Hi! > > > Since a year or so, JACK has been working very well on my machine and on many > Musix GNU/Linux installed systems (Debian/testing / Knoppix based distro) > > But yesterday I upgraded JACK to: 0.101.1-2 version and I have too many xruns > and some audible clics > > This 0.101.1-2 version has some bug or something? > > I have a SB Live! soundcard (I could give you a better hardware /software > report if you need it) > Please do. Also, try the latest JACK release (0.102.something) and see if it improves. Lee > Thanks in advance... > From rlrevell at joe-job.com Fri Nov 17 20:50:56 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Fri Nov 17 20:51:28 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: [Jackit-devel] Too many xruns after upgrade from debian/testing In-Reply-To: <200611172156.53958.marcospcmusica@gmail.com> References: <200611172137.02408.marcospcmusica@gmail.com> <1163810382.8128.97.camel@mindpipe> <200611172156.53958.marcospcmusica@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1163814657.8128.118.camel@mindpipe> On Fri, 2006-11-17 at 21:56 +0100, Marcos Guglielmetti wrote: > El S?b 18 Nov 2006 01:39, Lee Revell escribi?: > > On Fri, 2006-11-17 at 21:37 +0100, Marcos Guglielmetti wrote: > > > Hi! > > > > > > > > > Since a year or so, JACK has been working very well on my machine and on > > > many Musix GNU/Linux installed systems (Debian/testing / Knoppix based > > > distro) > > > > > > But yesterday I upgraded JACK to: 0.101.1-2 version and I have too many > > > xruns and some audible clics > > > > > > This 0.101.1-2 version has some bug or something? > > > > > > I have a SB Live! soundcard (I could give you a better hardware /software > > > report if you need it) > > > > Please do. Also, try the latest JACK release (0.102.something) and see > > if it improves. > > > > Lee > > > Thanks Lee, I will try the latest debian's jack when it will be available, by > the way, now I give you a better hardware/software report, I dont know what > the hell is wrong with this 0.101.1-2 jack's version You changed nothing but the JACK version? Is the tmpdir reported by "jackd --version" on a tmpfs mount? Can you check the RT priorities of the JACK threads? Lee From chris at mccormick.cx Fri Nov 17 22:55:03 2006 From: chris at mccormick.cx (Chris McCormick) Date: Fri Nov 17 23:08:57 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Interview with EnergyXT Developer In-Reply-To: <1163769598.2717.83.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <20061116210716.GC30333@replic.net> <005201c709ce$76233400$0302a8c0@64BitBadass> <20061116225722.GK5926@linux-1.site> <455D6960.8070404@spamatica.se> <1163769598.2717.83.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <20061118035503.GB15385@mccormick.cx> On Fri, Nov 17, 2006 at 08:19:58AM -0500, Paul Davis wrote: > what are you talking about? almost every VST plugin has a GUI written > using a GUI toolkit that is not available for linux. Are you talking about the Windows native GUI toolkit? I beleive it's possible to use the WineLib part of Wine to recompile Windows apps (and presumably dlls like VSTs) to run natively on Linux using the WineLib API calls instead of the Windows calls. This is not the same as emulating a Windows program under Linux using Wine. The final product is a Linux binary that only runs under Linux. Hopefully if people did this they would open source their VSTs to keep with the spirit of GNU/Linux. Best, Chris. ------------------- chris@mccormick.cx http://mccormick.cx From _ at whats-your.name Fri Nov 17 23:25:09 2006 From: _ at whats-your.name (carmen) Date: Fri Nov 17 23:25:41 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Interview with EnergyXT Developer In-Reply-To: <20061118035503.GB15385@mccormick.cx> References: <20061116210716.GC30333@replic.net> <005201c709ce$76233400$0302a8c0@64BitBadass> <20061116225722.GK5926@linux-1.site> <455D6960.8070404@spamatica.se> <1163769598.2717.83.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20061118035503.GB15385@mccormick.cx> Message-ID: <20061118042509.GH30333@replic.net> > I beleive it's > possible to use the WineLib part of Wine to recompile Windows apps (and > presumably dlls like VSTs) to run natively on Linux using the WineLib API its not that its impossible, and is already likely easier than porting a win32 VST to Mac. i dont see anyone doing it unless a major player like Ableton, Avid, Cakewalk, or Steinberg decides to port one of their nearly-identical kitchen-sinks to linux. do you see any of them wanting to do that? what would make them want to do that? From k.s.matheussen at notam02.no Sat Nov 18 00:58:35 2006 From: k.s.matheussen at notam02.no (Kjetil S. Matheussen) Date: Sat Nov 18 00:59:10 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Re: Interview with EnergyXT Developer In-Reply-To: <20061117221250.1FB52425A278@music.columbia.edu> References: <20061117221250.1FB52425A278@music.columbia.edu> Message-ID: Paul Davis: > > On Fri, 2006-11-17 at 08:44 +0100, Kjetil S. Matheussen wrote: >> Fons Adriaensen: >>> >>> On Thu, Nov 16, 2006 at 05:27:54PM -0500, Ivica Ico Bukvic wrote: >>> >>>> I think one good thing that is coming out of this is that the creator has >>>> apparently convinced some VST makers to recompile their VSTs for Linux as >>>> well. So, not all that is commercial is necessarily evil... >>> >>> What does that mean, a VST compiled for Linux ? Will it work without >>> a Windoze emulator ? >>> >> >> Sure, many vst plugins either don't have a gui, or are based on toolsets >> that are available for linux as well, such as juce, vstgui and fltk. >> (I've been reading the vst development list for some years) > > vstgui is not really available for linux at this time. theoretically > there is a motif backend, but it seems that hardly anyone uses it or > even attempts to make sure that it works with the latest changes to > vstgui. > Yeah, you are right. Didn't think enough before posting. > i think that the number of vst plugins using JUCE or FLTK can be counted > on the fingers of one person's hands. > Maybe, but you also have qt, fox, wxwindows and others that might be used. Anyhow, at least theres a bunch of gui-less vst plugins, so you need many hands to count all of the plugins that doesn't require more than a new makefile and a few #ifdefs here and there to recompile for linux. From marcospcmusica at gmail.com Fri Nov 17 21:44:50 2006 From: marcospcmusica at gmail.com (Marcos Guglielmetti) Date: Sat Nov 18 01:45:33 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: [Jackit-devel] Too many xruns after upgrade from debian/testing In-Reply-To: <1163814657.8128.118.camel@mindpipe> References: <200611172137.02408.marcospcmusica@gmail.com> <200611172156.53958.marcospcmusica@gmail.com> <1163814657.8128.118.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <200611180344.51884.marcospcmusica@gmail.com> Hola Lee Revell: > On Fri, 2006-11-17 at 21:56 +0100, Marcos Guglielmetti wrote: > > El S?b 18 Nov 2006 01:39, Lee Revell escribi?: > > > On Fri, 2006-11-17 at 21:37 +0100, Marcos Guglielmetti wrote: > > > > Hi! > > > > > > > > > > > > Since a year or so, JACK has been working very well on my machine and > > > > on many Musix GNU/Linux installed systems (Debian/testing / Knoppix > > > > based distro) > > > > > > > > But yesterday I upgraded JACK to: 0.101.1-2 version and I have too > > > > many xruns and some audible clics > > > > > > > > This 0.101.1-2 version has some bug or something? > > > > > > > > I have a SB Live! soundcard (I could give you a better hardware > > > > /software report if you need it) > > > > > > Please do. Also, try the latest JACK release (0.102.something) and see > > > if it improves. > > > > > > Lee > > > > Thanks Lee, I will try the latest debian's jack when it will be > > available, by the way, now I give you a better hardware/software report, > > I dont know what the hell is wrong with this 0.101.1-2 jack's version > > You changed nothing but the JACK version? No: I upgraded by: apt-get upgrade > Is the tmpdir reported by "jackd --version" on a tmpfs mount? jackd --version jackd version 0.101.1 tmpdir /dev/shm protocol 15 mount /dev/hda2 on / type reiserfs (rw) proc on /proc type proc (rw,noexec,nosuid,nodev) /sys on /sys type sysfs (rw,noexec,nosuid,nodev) udev on /dev type tmpfs (rw,mode=0755) devshm on /dev/shm type tmpfs (rw) devpts on /dev/pts type devpts (rw,noexec,nosuid,gid=5,mode=620) /proc/bus/usb on /proc/bus/usb type usbfs (rw) /dev/hdb6 on /var/cache/apt/archives type ext3 (rw,nosuid,nodev) tmpfs on /dev/shm type tmpfs (rw) /dev/hda4 on /mnt/hda4 type fuse (rw,nosuid,nodev,noatime,allow_other) /dev/hda1 on /mnt/hda1 type ext3 (rw,nosuid,nodev) /dev/hdb2 on /mnt/hdb2 type reiserfs (rw,nosuid,nodev) /dev/hdb4 on /mnt/hdb4 type ext3 (rw,nosuid,nodev) /dev/hdb5 on /mnt/hdb5 type reiserfs (rw,nosuid,nodev) /dev/hdb7 on /mnt/hdb7 type reiserfs (rw,nosuid,nodev) /dev/hdb8 on /mnt/hdb8 type ext3 (rw,nosuid,nodev) binfmt_misc on /proc/sys/fs/binfmt_misc type binfmt_misc (rw) > Can you check the RT priorities of the JACK threads? How? I dont think you mean this: rtirq status PID CLS RTPRIO NI PRI %CPU STAT COMMAND 1936 FF 80 - 120 0.0 S< IRQ 10 uhci_hcd:usb1, eth0, EMU10K1 1973 FF 70 - 110 1.2 S< IRQ 5 uhci_hcd:usb3, VIA82XX-MODEM 3651 FF 70 - 110 0.0 S< IRQ 11 ehci_hcd:usb4 1956 FF 69 - 109 0.0 S< IRQ 6 uhci_hcd:usb2 743 FF 60 - 100 0.0 S< IRQ 1 i8042 710 FF 59 - 99 0.0 S< IRQ 12 i8042 18 FF 49 - 89 0.0 S< IRQ 9 acpi 773 FF 46 - 86 0.0 S< IRQ 14 ide0 776 FF 45 - 85 0.0 S< IRQ 15 ide1 934 FF 44 - 84 0.0 S< IRQ 8 2081 FF 40 - 80 0.0 S< IRQ 7 parport0 4216 FF 38 - 78 0.0 S< IRQ 4 serial or this: top 26590 marcos 15 0 64520 24m 17m S 22.1 7.2 0:07.01 rosegarden4 26591 marcos 15 0 45120 18m 12m R 16.6 5.2 0:05.60 rosegardenseque 9701 root 5 -10 277m 15m 4976 S 7.4 4.5 1:20.86 Xorg 10 root -2 0 0 0 0 S 1.8 0.0 0:01.59 softirq-hrtmono 26543 marcos 15 0 27908 11m 9952 S 1.8 3.4 0:01.37 qjackctl ?? > Lee -- Marcos Guglielmetti * Director del desarrollo de Musix GNU+Linux, 100% Software Libre * CD Donwload: (http://www.musix.org.ar/en/) * Videos, programas y otras cosas en: ftp://musix.ourproject.org/pub/musix/ * Reporte de errores a: https://www.musix.org.ar/wiki/index.php?title=Problemas-Bugs *IRC: #musix channel on freenode * Torrent Download: https://e.ututo.org.ar/utiles/torrent/MusixGNU-Linux0.59.iso.torrent From mathias.friman at knorca.se Sat Nov 18 06:07:26 2006 From: mathias.friman at knorca.se (Mathias Friman) Date: Sat Nov 18 06:09:41 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] ALSA not recognizing Ego Sys Waveterminal 192L In-Reply-To: <1163697390.10006.276089273@webmail.messagingengine.com> References: <64db2b4a20757dbad35f420bfda57923@knorca.se> <1163697390.10006.276089273@webmail.messagingengine.com> Message-ID: <1163848047.2045.7.camel@knc-se-lap0001.knorca.se> On Thu, 2006-11-16 at 18:16 +0100, Clemens Ladisch wrote: > Mathias Friman wrote: > > The card shows when running "lspci", and "lsmod | grep snd" shows that the ice_1724 module > > is loaded. But the card is not included in the list when doing a "cat /proc/asound/cards" and > > it is not listed when doing a "cat /proc/interrupts". > > It seems some error prevented the driver from binding to the card. > There should be an error message in the system log when the > snd-ice1724 driver is loaded. dmesg says: dmesg:[ 60.031309] ice1724: No matching model found for ID 0x30495345 dmesg:[ 60.032024] ice1724: Invalid EEPROM (size = 120) dmesg:[ 60.032038] ICE1724: probe of 0000:05:06.0 failed with error -5 And sometime during the testing we got the following from kern.log: kern.log:Nov 16 23:48:39 Kylnegzmieer kernel: [145206.941960] ICE1724: probe of 0000:05:06.0 failed with error -12 udev-log says: udev:PCI_ID=1412:1724 udev:MODALIAS=pci:v00001412d00001724sv00004930sd00004553bc04sc01i00 udev:SEQNUM=1724 udev:UEVENT[1163575749.551815] add@/module/snd_ice1724 udev:DEVPATH=/module/snd_ice1724 udev:UEVENT[1163575749.551925] add@/bus/pci/drivers/ICE1724 udev:DEVPATH=/bus/pci/drivers/ICE1724 I do not have the knowledge to get something out of this, so I set my hope to you guys. :) Thanks in advance, Mathias From g.meurisse at laposte.net Sat Nov 18 06:14:30 2006 From: g.meurisse at laposte.net (guillaume Meurisse) Date: Sat Nov 18 06:14:23 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] echo3g module fails to load firmware In-Reply-To: <4554E1D6.80907@laposte.net> References: <4554E1D6.80907@laposte.net> Message-ID: <455EEB16.90602@laposte.net> Hi guillaume Meurisse a ?crit : > Hi, > > I bought a layla3g last month. I cant manage to get it work. when i > load the module i can read this in /var/log/messages: > > install_resident_loader: Failed to write DSP code > > If i retry the error message changes to this: > > install_resident_loader: Failed to write word count! > > I tried both 1.0.11 and 1.0.13 alsa versions. The sound card has > worked a few times and i dont understand why. > > Here is kernel option relative to either kernel module loading or > firmware loading that are activated: > > -module unloading > -automatic kernel module loading > -select only drivers that don't need compile-time external firmware > -prevent firmware from being built > -Userspace firmware loading support(M) > > This soundcards works well under windows, so this is not a hardware > issue. What can i do to get it work with linux? > I've tried to use built in kernel alsa drivers, but i have the same errors. Can someone who possess an echo3g sound card tell me which kernel and alsa version he uses? Nov 18 11:51:47 Navi Echoaudio driver starting... Nov 18 11:51:47 Navi ACPI: PCI Interrupt 0000:01:07.0[A] -> Link [APC4] -> GSI 19 (level, high) -> IRQ 20 Nov 18 11:51:47 Navi chip=f7aa0000 Nov 18 11:51:47 Navi pci=dffbd800 irq=20 subdev=0100 Init hardware... Nov 18 11:51:47 Navi init_hw() - Echo3G Nov 18 11:51:47 Navi firmware requested: echo3g_dsp.fw Nov 18 11:51:47 Navi load_dsp: Set bad_board to TRUE Nov 18 11:51:47 Navi firmware requested: loader_dsp.fw Nov 18 11:51:47 Navi Resident loader failed to set HF5 *sometimes i get Failed to write word count *or Failed to write DSP code Nov 18 11:51:47 Navi firmware released Nov 18 11:51:47 Navi firmware released Nov 18 11:51:47 Navi init_hw err=-5 Nov 18 11:51:47 Navi Stop DSP... Nov 18 11:51:47 Navi rest_in_peace() open=0 Nov 18 11:51:47 Navi stop_transport 0 Nov 18 11:51:47 Navi stop_transport: No pipes to stop! Nov 18 11:51:47 Navi enable_midi_input(0) Nov 18 11:51:47 Navi timeout on send_vector Nov 18 11:51:47 Navi Stopped. Nov 18 11:51:47 Navi MMIO freed. Nov 18 11:51:47 Navi Chip freed. Nov 18 11:51:47 Navi Echoaudio Echo3G: probe of 0000:01:07.0 failed with error -5 All this errors come from this file http://lxr.free-electrons.com/source/sound/pci/echoaudio/echoaudio_dsp.c Cordialement, Guillaume Meurisse From nomoa at wanadoo.fr Sat Nov 18 07:49:05 2006 From: nomoa at wanadoo.fr (David Causse) Date: Sat Nov 18 07:48:09 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: ALSA not recognizing Ego Sys Waveterminal 192L In-Reply-To: <1163848047.2045.7.camel@knc-se-lap0001.knorca.se> References: <64db2b4a20757dbad35f420bfda57923@knorca.se> <1163697390.10006.276089273@webmail.messagingengine.com> <1163848047.2045.7.camel@knc-se-lap0001.knorca.se> Message-ID: <20061118124905.GA4065@localdomain> On Sat, Nov 18, 2006 at 12:07:26PM +0100, Mathias Friman wrote: > On Thu, 2006-11-16 at 18:16 +0100, Clemens Ladisch wrote: > > Mathias Friman wrote: > > > The card shows when running "lspci", and "lsmod | grep snd" shows that the ice_1724 module > > > is loaded. But the card is not included in the list when doing a "cat /proc/asound/cards" and > > > it is not listed when doing a "cat /proc/interrupts". > > > > It seems some error prevented the driver from binding to the card. > > There should be an error message in the system log when the > > snd-ice1724 driver is loaded. > > dmesg says: > > dmesg:[ 60.031309] ice1724: No matching model found for ID 0x30495345 > dmesg:[ 60.032024] ice1724: Invalid EEPROM (size = 120) > dmesg:[ 60.032038] ICE1724: probe of 0000:05:06.0 failed with error -5 I'm afraid you mis-understood the alsa card matrix : http://www.alsa-project.org/alsa-doc/index.php?vendor=vendor-Ego_Sys#matrix says that Waveterminal 192L is not supported yet. Green ([X+]) means "Possible to support, but no driver has been written yet." You should request something on alsa mailing list. Sorry. David. From paul at linuxaudiosystems.com Sat Nov 18 07:58:39 2006 From: paul at linuxaudiosystems.com (Paul Davis) Date: Sat Nov 18 07:59:53 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Interview with EnergyXT Developer In-Reply-To: <20061118035503.GB15385@mccormick.cx> References: <20061116210716.GC30333@replic.net> <005201c709ce$76233400$0302a8c0@64BitBadass> <20061116225722.GK5926@linux-1.site> <455D6960.8070404@spamatica.se> <1163769598.2717.83.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20061118035503.GB15385@mccormick.cx> Message-ID: <1163854719.2717.167.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Sat, 2006-11-18 at 11:55 +0800, Chris McCormick wrote: > On Fri, Nov 17, 2006 at 08:19:58AM -0500, Paul Davis wrote: > > what are you talking about? almost every VST plugin has a GUI written > > using a GUI toolkit that is not available for linux. > > Are you talking about the Windows native GUI toolkit? I beleive it's > possible to use the WineLib part of Wine there is no WineLib API. anybody who says otherwise is lying. how do i know this? because when torben and i took kjetil's initial work on running VSTs on linux and tried to do the in-process system we went down this route (using wine as a library) we even wrote some patches for the wine people, in collaboration with the Mono project. we were rebuffed, 100% and completely, because the benevolent dictator of Wine was adamant that Wine is not and will never be a library despite the recurrence of "WineLib" as a term. they have no interest (at this time) in defining an interface to Wine support via a library. > to recompile Windows apps (and > presumably dlls like VSTs) to run natively on Linux using the WineLib API > calls instead of the Windows calls. This is not the same as emulating > a Windows program under Linux using Wine. The final product is a Linux > binary that only runs under Linux. no its not. if you check what actually happens under the hood when you do this, you will find that you actually get 2 products: a shared object representing the original windows program and a shell script that uses Wine to execute the shared object. how do i know all this? because we use this in ardour2 (and the current version of FST) to provide the most robust VST support that we can. how does it work? we compile the code that normally makes up the executable for ardour as a shared library, with an special entry point called ardour_main(). then we compile a tiny win32 app that does nothing but start up and call ardour_main(). this is compiled using winegcc. the result is a shell script and a small win32 shared object/.exe file. you run the shell script, it starts wine, which runs the tiny win32 app, which is linked against libardourgtk and calls ardour_main(), and voila ... ardour running inside wine with the best VST support that wine can offer. note that you can substitute cedega for wine and it works slightly better ;) baroque? yep. but this how it actually works ... --p From cave.dnb at tiscali.fr Sat Nov 18 10:15:52 2006 From: cave.dnb at tiscali.fr (Nigel Henry) Date: Sat Nov 18 10:24:51 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [Music] 3 songs digitally remastered with Linux In-Reply-To: <455E33C3.4090003@jensgulden.de> References: <455E33C3.4090003@jensgulden.de> Message-ID: <200611181615.53578.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> On Friday 17 November 2006 23:12, Jens Gulden wrote: > Hello, > > there are 3 songs which may be of interest for this list, since they got > digitally remastered with Linux using JAMin: > > Schlaf - http://user.cs.tu-berlin.de/~jgulden/musik/01-Schlaf.ogg > Neuland - http://user.cs.tu-berlin.de/~jgulden/musik/02-Neuland.ogg > Anomasil - http://user.cs.tu-berlin.de/~jgulden/musik/03-Anomasil.ogg > > For details, mp3s and lyrics (german/english) see > http://www.jensgulden.de/music.kick. > > Some information on how the remastering was done is available at > http://www.jensgulden.de/music_remastered.kick. The original sound files > are also available there, allowing to compare the results with / without > remastering. I'm happy about any comments or hints regarding the > remastering. > > The original recordings of Schlaf and Neuland had been made in 1995 and > 1996, using an 8-track analog tape recorder, an i486 computer with 8 MB RAM > running an early version of Cakewalk on Windows 3.1, plus a Roland E-70 and > a Kawai K4 as synthesizers. > > Special thanks to Jan Depner, Steve Harris, Jack O'Quin, Ron Parker and > Patrick Shirkey who work on JAMin (http://jamin.sourceforge.net/). It's > impressive what it can do. > > thanks for listening > Jens Nice work Jens. I particularly liked Neuland with it's dark industrial sound, and that great drum break in Anomasil, which sent shivers down the back of my neck. I'll DL the originals later, and see how they compare. All the best. Nigel. From sevol at hemp.net Sat Nov 18 10:47:47 2006 From: sevol at hemp.net (sevol) Date: Sat Nov 18 10:36:33 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Presonus Firepod + Linux = ? ? ? Message-ID: <455F2B23.9070509@hemp.net> Hi, This is my first post to this mailing list. I'm trying to find an Linux audio distro that'll work with my audio interface, a Presonus Firepod. Anyone here using the Firepod with Linux? Or know someone who is? A year or so ago when I bought it I thought I read on a web page *somewhere?* that the Firepod was working with at least one Linux variant. Setting up Linux eventually as the basis for a DAW was in my mind, so, that seemed like a selling point. Now, I'm not sure what I read. The ALSA Soundcard Matrix page lists nothing Presonus. On the other hand, the freeBob page (not the page for the man who was awaiting execution, since killed by the state of Texas.) has 3 Presonus audio interfaces shown as having freeBob firmware in the List of Supported Devices. The Firepod is one. But having the proper freeBob firmware may not mean much for my concerns, am I right? I did try Agnula Demudi. Using the Live disc, it seemed Jack recognized & noted my connected Firepod, but I couldn't get it to actually function with audio software. I think I tried getting it to work with Ardour. As for Demudi, DistroWatch lists it as dormant. Is that like hibernating? Or more, the sleep of death? I figured the Firepod would narrow my choice of distros down some. My question is, have I narrowed it down to zero? Is A Linux-Firepod union impossible at this stage of the game? Thanks for reading, underwater From ico at vt.edu Sat Nov 18 11:35:39 2006 From: ico at vt.edu (Ivica Ico Bukvic) Date: Sat Nov 18 11:35:49 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Interview with EnergyXT Developer In-Reply-To: <1163854719.2717.167.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <000f01c70b2f$95453e20$0302a8c0@64BitBadass> So, if I understand this correctly, there is no API out there that simply translates common GUI VST calls into any of the libre toolkits which are also available on Linux, other than the full-fledged Wine implementation? If so, that *really* sucks. It would be interesting to see just how many different drawing API calls most of the VSTs utilize for their GUI (since it is predominantly 2D drawing, my guess is there should not be that many, unless some dev goes all out and does DirectX eye candy/graphs/envelope editors/oscilloscopes/whatever). If we could produce a lib that can translate those API calls into FLTK or some other totally free toolkit, we may have a good case at convincing VST makers to start recompiling their VSTs even if that means commercially-only available VSTs for Linux (FWIW, although indirectly, I may be able to get a hold of the Cakewalk founder, and, provided that we do have the aforesaid prerequisites in place, would gladly like to discuss with him jumpstarting this idea). Otherwise, native Linux VST is IMHO a lost cause--our market share is too small for the overhead unless this overhead simply means recompiling. Ico > how do i know all this? because we use this in ardour2 (and the current > version of FST) to provide the most robust VST support that we can. how > does it work? we compile the code that normally makes up the executable > for ardour as a shared library, with an special entry point called > ardour_main(). then we compile a tiny win32 app that does nothing but > start up and call ardour_main(). this is compiled using winegcc. the > result is a shell script and a small win32 shared object/.exe file. you > run the shell script, it starts wine, which runs the tiny win32 app, > which is linked against libardourgtk and calls ardour_main(), and > voila ... ardour running inside wine with the best VST support that wine > can offer. note that you can substitute cedega for wine and it works > slightly better ;) baroque? yep. but this how it actually works ... > > --p > From bruceslists at ntlworld.com Sat Nov 18 11:55:57 2006 From: bruceslists at ntlworld.com (BJaY) Date: Sat Nov 18 11:53:55 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] linux sapler bombs when adjusting note lengths in rosegarden Message-ID: Hi, I was using the matrix editor in rosegarden to adjust note lengths in rosegarden connected to linuxsampler and qsampler bomed out. I couln't restart it though I couldn't see either qsampler or linuxsample in the process table. Anyone had a similar experience ? Cheers, Bruce. From mista.tapas at gmx.net Sat Nov 18 11:58:08 2006 From: mista.tapas at gmx.net (Florian Schmidt) Date: Sat Nov 18 11:58:10 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: [Jackit-devel] Too many xruns after upgrade from debian/testing In-Reply-To: <200611180344.51884.marcospcmusica@gmail.com> References: <200611172137.02408.marcospcmusica@gmail.com> <1163814657.8128.118.camel@mindpipe> <200611180344.51884.marcospcmusica@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200611181758.08664.mista.tapas@gmx.net> On Saturday 18 November 2006 03:44, Marcos Guglielmetti wrote: > > You changed nothing but the JACK version? > > No: I upgraded by: apt-get upgrade If you previously installed jack from source over a package, mayhem might be the result when you upgrade the previously overwritten package. This happened to me lately, so i thought i'll just shoot in the dark here and mention it :) > > Is the tmpdir reported by "jackd --version" on a tmpfs mount? > > jackd --version > jackd version 0.101.1 tmpdir /dev/shm protocol 15 > > > mount > /dev/hda2 on / type reiserfs (rw) > proc on /proc type proc (rw,noexec,nosuid,nodev) > /sys on /sys type sysfs (rw,noexec,nosuid,nodev) > udev on /dev type tmpfs (rw,mode=0755) > devshm on /dev/shm type tmpfs (rw) > devpts on /dev/pts type devpts (rw,noexec,nosuid,gid=5,mode=620) > /proc/bus/usb on /proc/bus/usb type usbfs (rw) > /dev/hdb6 on /var/cache/apt/archives type ext3 (rw,nosuid,nodev) > tmpfs on /dev/shm type tmpfs (rw) > /dev/hda4 on /mnt/hda4 type fuse (rw,nosuid,nodev,noatime,allow_other) > /dev/hda1 on /mnt/hda1 type ext3 (rw,nosuid,nodev) > /dev/hdb2 on /mnt/hdb2 type reiserfs (rw,nosuid,nodev) > /dev/hdb4 on /mnt/hdb4 type ext3 (rw,nosuid,nodev) > /dev/hdb5 on /mnt/hdb5 type reiserfs (rw,nosuid,nodev) > /dev/hdb7 on /mnt/hdb7 type reiserfs (rw,nosuid,nodev) > /dev/hdb8 on /mnt/hdb8 type ext3 (rw,nosuid,nodev) > binfmt_misc on /proc/sys/fs/binfmt_misc type binfmt_misc (rw) > > > Can you check the RT priorities of the JACK threads? > > How? ps -C jackd -cmL Regards, Flo -- Palimm Palimm! http://tapas.affenbande.org From marcospcmusica at gmail.com Sat Nov 18 08:37:02 2006 From: marcospcmusica at gmail.com (Marcos Guglielmetti) Date: Sat Nov 18 12:37:42 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: [Jackit-devel] Too many xruns after upgrade from debian/testing In-Reply-To: <200611181758.08664.mista.tapas@gmx.net> References: <200611172137.02408.marcospcmusica@gmail.com> <200611180344.51884.marcospcmusica@gmail.com> <200611181758.08664.mista.tapas@gmx.net> Message-ID: <200611181437.06386.marcospcmusica@gmail.com> El S?b 18 Nov 2006 17:58, Florian Schmidt escribi?: > On Saturday 18 November 2006 03:44, Marcos Guglielmetti wrote: > > > You changed nothing but the JACK version? > > > > No: I upgraded by: apt-get upgrade > > If you previously installed jack from source over a package, mayhem might > be the result when you upgrade the previously overwritten package. This > happened to me lately, so i thought i'll just shoot in the dark here and > mention it :) Not my case... > > > Is the tmpdir reported by "jackd --version" on a tmpfs mount? > > > > jackd --version > > jackd version 0.101.1 tmpdir /dev/shm protocol 15 > > > > > > mount > > /dev/hda2 on / type reiserfs (rw) > > proc on /proc type proc (rw,noexec,nosuid,nodev) > > /sys on /sys type sysfs (rw,noexec,nosuid,nodev) > > udev on /dev type tmpfs (rw,mode=0755) > > devshm on /dev/shm type tmpfs (rw) > > devpts on /dev/pts type devpts (rw,noexec,nosuid,gid=5,mode=620) > > /proc/bus/usb on /proc/bus/usb type usbfs (rw) > > /dev/hdb6 on /var/cache/apt/archives type ext3 (rw,nosuid,nodev) > > tmpfs on /dev/shm type tmpfs (rw) > > /dev/hda4 on /mnt/hda4 type fuse (rw,nosuid,nodev,noatime,allow_other) > > /dev/hda1 on /mnt/hda1 type ext3 (rw,nosuid,nodev) > > /dev/hdb2 on /mnt/hdb2 type reiserfs (rw,nosuid,nodev) > > /dev/hdb4 on /mnt/hdb4 type ext3 (rw,nosuid,nodev) > > /dev/hdb5 on /mnt/hdb5 type reiserfs (rw,nosuid,nodev) > > /dev/hdb7 on /mnt/hdb7 type reiserfs (rw,nosuid,nodev) > > /dev/hdb8 on /mnt/hdb8 type ext3 (rw,nosuid,nodev) > > binfmt_misc on /proc/sys/fs/binfmt_misc type binfmt_misc (rw) > > > > > Can you check the RT priorities of the JACK threads? > > > > How? > > ps -C jackd -cmL > > Regards, > Flo Thanks, here it is ps -C jackd -cmL PID LWP CLS PRI TTY TIME CMD 15669 - - - ? 00:00:00 jackd - 15669 TS 21 - 00:00:00 - - 15670 TS 23 - 00:00:00 - - 15671 TS 23 - 00:00:00 - - 15672 TS 23 - 00:00:00 - - 15673 TS 24 - 00:00:00 - -- Marcos Guglielmetti * Director del desarrollo de Musix GNU+Linux, 100% Software Libre * CD Donwload: (http://www.musix.org.ar/en/) * Videos, programas y otras cosas en: ftp://musix.ourproject.org/pub/musix/ * Reporte de errores a: https://www.musix.org.ar/wiki/index.php?title=Problemas-Bugs *IRC: #musix channel on freenode * Torrent Download: https://e.ututo.org.ar/utiles/torrent/MusixGNU-Linux0.59.iso.torrent From paul at linuxaudiosystems.com Sat Nov 18 12:48:42 2006 From: paul at linuxaudiosystems.com (Paul Davis) Date: Sat Nov 18 12:48:51 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Interview with EnergyXT Developer In-Reply-To: <000f01c70b2f$95453e20$0302a8c0@64BitBadass> References: <000f01c70b2f$95453e20$0302a8c0@64BitBadass> Message-ID: <1163872122.2717.180.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Sat, 2006-11-18 at 11:35 -0500, Ivica Ico Bukvic wrote: > So, if I understand this correctly, there is no API out there that simply > translates common GUI VST calls into any of the libre toolkits which are > also available on Linux, other than the full-fledged Wine implementation? If > so, that *really* sucks. as i have mentioned, VSTGUI does come with a Motif backend but i very very much doubt that it has been kept current as VSTGUI has evolved. > It would be interesting to see just how many different drawing API calls > most of the VSTs utilize for their GUI (since it is predominantly 2D > drawing, my guess is there should not be that many, unless some dev goes all > out and does DirectX eye candy/graphs/envelope > editors/oscilloscopes/whatever). If we could produce a lib that can > translate those API calls into FLTK or some other totally free toolkit, VSTGUI is LGPL'ed and on sourceforge. that is, of course, very very different from "having functional support on a large number of platforms including Linux or X Window" nothing more is needed than programmers with time and motivation. but this is also missing a deeper issue. a lot of plugins do not use VSTGUI, a lot of plugins make calls to win32 function that are not necessarily GUI related. thus, even if you had VSTGUI support for X Window, it wouldn't necessarily be trivial to port a given plugin to linux. --p From seablaede at gmail.com Sat Nov 18 12:57:42 2006 From: seablaede at gmail.com (Thomas Vecchione) Date: Sat Nov 18 12:51:07 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Interview with EnergyXT Developer In-Reply-To: <1163854719.2717.167.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <20061116210716.GC30333@replic.net> <005201c709ce$76233400$0302a8c0@64BitBadass> <20061116225722.GK5926@linux-1.site> <455D6960.8070404@spamatica.se> <1163769598.2717.83.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20061118035503.GB15385@mccormick.cx> <1163854719.2717.167.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <455F4996.6000503@gmail.com> > note that you can substitute cedega for wine and it works > slightly better ;) Heh is that true Paul? Dang maybe I should start running Cedega. Ah well one thing at a time, been avoiding it as I don't really need games on my workstation, but I won't complain about having it in my arsenal. Seablade From petespin at att.net Sat Nov 18 13:07:39 2006 From: petespin at att.net (Peter Finnegan) Date: Sat Nov 18 13:07:27 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Presonus Firepod + Linux = ? ? ? In-Reply-To: <455F2B23.9070509@hemp.net> References: <455F2B23.9070509@hemp.net> Message-ID: <1163873259.374.20.camel@gracie> The key parts to get the firepod working are libfreebob, jack 102.20, and a desktop preemption realtime kernel. If you want the gui front end to jack, you need qjackctl 0.2.20. I am using Fedora Core 6 with a presonus firebox currently. Fedora Core 6 provides libfreebob, jack, and qjackctl as part of the fedora extras. I am in the process of rolling a realtime kernel, although I have had decent performance with the stock fedora kernel. Fedora Core 5 plus the Planet CCRMA repository will work well. You will need to recompile jack, and compile libfreebob. You will have access to more audio apps, though. Also take a look at the gentoo and the gentoo pro-audio overlay. >From reading the freebob wiki, it seems as if there is an arch linux package available, so that may be an option. PF . On Sat, 2006-11-18 at 07:47 -0800, sevol wrote: > Hi, > > This is my first post to this mailing list. I'm trying to find an Linux > audio distro that'll work with my audio interface, a Presonus Firepod. > Anyone here using the Firepod with Linux? Or know someone who is? > > A year or so ago when I bought it I thought I read on a web page > *somewhere?* that the Firepod was working with at least one Linux > variant. Setting up Linux eventually as the basis for a DAW was in my > mind, so, that seemed like a selling point. Now, I'm not sure what I read. > > The ALSA Soundcard Matrix page lists nothing Presonus. On the other > hand, the freeBob page (not the page for the man who was awaiting > execution, since killed by the state of Texas.) has 3 Presonus audio > interfaces shown as having freeBob firmware in the List of Supported > Devices. The Firepod is one. But having the proper freeBob firmware may > not mean much for my concerns, am I right? > > I did try Agnula Demudi. Using the Live disc, it seemed Jack recognized > & noted my connected Firepod, but I couldn't get it to actually function > with audio software. I think I tried getting it to work with Ardour. As > for Demudi, DistroWatch lists it as dormant. Is that like hibernating? > Or more, the sleep of death? > > I figured the Firepod would narrow my choice of distros down some. My > question is, have I narrowed it down to zero? Is A Linux-Firepod union > impossible at this stage of the game? > > Thanks for reading, > underwater From mista.tapas at gmx.net Sat Nov 18 13:41:03 2006 From: mista.tapas at gmx.net (Florian Schmidt) Date: Sat Nov 18 13:40:30 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: [Jackit-devel] Too many xruns after upgrade from debian/testing In-Reply-To: <200611181437.06386.marcospcmusica@gmail.com> References: <200611172137.02408.marcospcmusica@gmail.com> <200611181758.08664.mista.tapas@gmx.net> <200611181437.06386.marcospcmusica@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200611181941.03604.mista.tapas@gmx.net> On Saturday 18 November 2006 14:37, Marcos Guglielmetti wrote: > > > How? > > > > ps -C jackd -cmL > > > > Regards, > > Flo > > Thanks, here it is > > ps -C jackd -cmL > PID LWP CLS PRI TTY TIME CMD > 15669 - - - ? 00:00:00 jackd > - 15669 TS 21 - 00:00:00 - > - 15670 TS 23 - 00:00:00 - > - 15671 TS 23 - 00:00:00 - > - 15672 TS 23 - 00:00:00 - > - 15673 TS 24 - 00:00:00 - And this is what it should look like: ~$ ps -C jackd -cmL PID LWP CLS PRI TTY TIME CMD 9080 - - - ? 00:01:14 jackd - 9080 TS 21 - 00:00:00 - - 9081 TS 21 - 00:00:00 - - 9082 TS 24 - 00:00:00 - - 9083 FF 120 - 00:00:00 - - 9084 FF 110 - 00:01:14 - The two FF threads are the realtime threads (running SCHED_FIFO).. Flo -- Palimm Palimm! http://tapas.affenbande.org From florin at andrei.myip.org Sat Nov 18 16:12:10 2006 From: florin at andrei.myip.org (Florin Andrei) Date: Sat Nov 18 16:12:19 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] How to rip and rename file In-Reply-To: <455CF52A.1040600@mindspring.com> References: <455CF52A.1040600@mindspring.com> Message-ID: <455F772A.7070703@andrei.myip.org> Larry Alkoff wrote: > I am new and just starting out to rip my purchased cdroms from the 60's > using abcde which was highly recommended in a thread in the archives. > > When I rip, the tags are put in from cddb but the mp3 files names come > out like 'track 1.mps'. Grip works very well for me and does that by default. -- Florin Andrei http://florin.myip.org/ From paniq at paniq.org Sat Nov 18 16:43:52 2006 From: paniq at paniq.org (Leonard "paniq" Ritter) Date: Sat Nov 18 16:44:06 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [ANN] Aldrin 0.6 (Raven) Message-ID: <1163886232.10080.5.camel@localhost> Aldrin is an open source modular sequencer/tracker, designed to be 1:1 compatible to Jeskola Buzz. We're proud to announce the release of Aldrin 0.6 (Raven), featuring incremental saving, the Makk M4 Synth, ADSR envelopes, presets, various new shortcuts and the usual set of bugfixes. http://www.leonard-ritter.com/announcement_aldrin_0_6_raven -- Leonard Ritter -- Freelance Art & Logic -- http://www.leonard-ritter.com From christhemonkey at gmail.com Sat Nov 18 17:49:42 2006 From: christhemonkey at gmail.com (chris beagles) Date: Sat Nov 18 17:49:54 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Help wanted for RTS game Message-ID: <79eea87e0611181449i2712f7bfka1f6bd06a826662f@mail.gmail.com> There has been created a historical free game for Linux named 0 A.D and it is currently in the advanced stages of development and it needs your help! Take a look at the progress of this game and judge for yourselves: http://www.wildfiregames.com/0ad/ They currently are needing: artists programmers musicians And i thought there might be quite a few of those on this list! If you won't help this game will be released much later then hoped, so please help if you can. From pw_lists at slinkp.com Sat Nov 18 19:44:22 2006 From: pw_lists at slinkp.com (Paul Winkler) Date: Sat Nov 18 19:44:51 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Axiom 25 keyboard In-Reply-To: <20060908180318.30189aa5@mistral.stie> References: <20060908180318.30189aa5@mistral.stie> Message-ID: <20061119004422.GC7194@slinkp.com> Hey Lanas, How's the Axiom working out for you? Have you got all the knobs and buttons working? I'm thinking of replacing my Oxygen 8 with an Axiom 61, now that I'm taking piano lessons and suddenly realize I can't even play the Bach Minuet on a two-octave keyboard :) -PW On Fri, Sep 08, 2006 at 06:03:18PM -0400, lanas wrote: > ... I plugged the USB cable of the thing, started Jack, et voil??, > it simply appeared and was ready to be connected to Zyn. ... > I'd like to use the rotary knobs for interesting things such as > changing some of the so many parameters of the Zyn synth. Is > this possible ? Is it possible with another synth ? ... > And, is it possible to use the play/stop/backward/forward buttons with > Ardour or MuSE ? -- Paul Winkler http://www.slinkp.com From paniq at paniq.org Sat Nov 18 19:49:36 2006 From: paniq at paniq.org (Leonard "paniq" Ritter) Date: Sat Nov 18 19:49:48 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] FIX: [ANN] Aldrin 0.6 (Raven) In-Reply-To: <1163886232.10080.5.camel@localhost> References: <1163886232.10080.5.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <1163897376.10080.10.camel@localhost> my apologies, there was an error in this release which prevented it to work for first timers and is now sorted out. you can either apply the patch: http://trac.zeitherrschaft.org/zzub/changeset/906?format=diff&new=906 or download 0.6.1 instead: http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/aldrin/aldrin-0.6.1.tar.gz?download On Sat, 2006-11-18 at 22:43 +0100, Leonard "paniq" Ritter wrote: > Aldrin is an open source modular sequencer/tracker, designed to be 1:1 compatible to Jeskola Buzz. > > We're proud to announce the release of Aldrin 0.6 (Raven), featuring > incremental saving, the Makk M4 Synth, ADSR envelopes, presets, various > new shortcuts and the usual set of bugfixes. > > http://www.leonard-ritter.com/announcement_aldrin_0_6_raven > -- -- Leonard Ritter -- http://www.leonard-ritter.com -- http://www.paniq.org From cucullin at wtfisthat.net Sat Nov 18 19:55:11 2006 From: cucullin at wtfisthat.net (Joseph M. Gaffney) Date: Sat Nov 18 19:53:36 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Help wanted for RTS game In-Reply-To: <79eea87e0611181449i2712f7bfka1f6bd06a826662f@mail.gmail.com> References: <79eea87e0611181449i2712f7bfka1f6bd06a826662f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200611181955.12126.cucullin@wtfisthat.net> On Saturday 18 November 2006 17:49, chris beagles wrote: > There has been created a historical free game for Linux named 0 A.D > and it is currently in the advanced stages of development and it needs > your help! > > Take a look at the progress of this game and judge for yourselves: > http://www.wildfiregames.com/0ad/ > > They currently are needing: > artists > programmers > musicians > > And i thought there might be quite a few of those on this list! > > If you won't help this game will be released much later then hoped, so > please help if you can. Kind of reminds me of Diablo in looks - I'm diggin it! :) I'm in the process of moving, and losing my mind as a result, but hopefully when that mess is over I'll be set up - if I can help then, I will. Good luck :) -Joseph M. Gaffney aka CuCullin From seablaede at gmail.com Sat Nov 18 20:29:28 2006 From: seablaede at gmail.com (Thomas Vecchione) Date: Sat Nov 18 20:22:54 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Help wanted for RTS game In-Reply-To: <79eea87e0611181449i2712f7bfka1f6bd06a826662f@mail.gmail.com> References: <79eea87e0611181449i2712f7bfka1f6bd06a826662f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <455FB378.3030707@gmail.com> I'm curious, I couldn't find information on licensing on the page, repeatedly they say free, but I am curious whether they mean free as in open-source, or free as in beer. Seablade From cucullin at wtfisthat.net Sat Nov 18 20:38:41 2006 From: cucullin at wtfisthat.net (Joseph M. Gaffney) Date: Sat Nov 18 20:37:03 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Help wanted for RTS game In-Reply-To: <455FB378.3030707@gmail.com> References: <79eea87e0611181449i2712f7bfka1f6bd06a826662f@mail.gmail.com> <455FB378.3030707@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200611182038.42265.cucullin@wtfisthat.net> On Saturday 18 November 2006 20:29, Thomas Vecchione wrote: > I'm curious, I couldn't find information on licensing on the page, > repeatedly they say free, but I am curious whether they mean free as in > open-source, or free as in beer. > > Seablade Good catch - this changes my opinion on things. Member of programming team Ykkrosh: "0 A.D. is (according to the current plans) going to be 'free' as in no cost, but not all 'Free' as in freedom (or even as in open source) (though some components are likely to be) - so it can't be called 'free software', and would probably not be accepted by GNU people." So free as in beer then. -Joseph M. Gaffney From lars.luthman at gmail.com Sat Nov 18 20:43:27 2006 From: lars.luthman at gmail.com (Lars Luthman) Date: Sat Nov 18 20:43:38 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Help wanted for RTS game In-Reply-To: <200611182038.42265.cucullin@wtfisthat.net> References: <79eea87e0611181449i2712f7bfka1f6bd06a826662f@mail.gmail.com> <455FB378.3030707@gmail.com> <200611182038.42265.cucullin@wtfisthat.net> Message-ID: <1163900607.11645.6.camel@c213-100-20-9.swipnet.se> On Sat, 2006-11-18 at 20:38 -0500, Joseph M. Gaffney wrote: > On Saturday 18 November 2006 20:29, Thomas Vecchione wrote: > > I'm curious, I couldn't find information on licensing on the page, > > repeatedly they say free, but I am curious whether they mean free as in > > open-source, or free as in beer. > > > > Seablade > > Good catch - this changes my opinion on things. > > Member of programming team Ykkrosh: > > "0 A.D. is (according to the current plans) going to be 'free' as in no cost, > but not all 'Free' as in freedom (or even as in open source) (though some > components are likely to be) - so it can't be called 'free software', and > would probably not be accepted by GNU people." Why not make it free in all meanings of the word? -- Lars Luthman - please encrypt any email sent to me if possible PGP key: http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x04C77E2E Fingerprint: FCA7 C790 19B9 322D EB7A E1B3 4371 4650 04C7 7E2E -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part Url : http://music.columbia.edu/pipermail/linux-audio-user/attachments/20061119/42cf220b/attachment.bin From seablaede at gmail.com Sat Nov 18 20:54:45 2006 From: seablaede at gmail.com (Thomas Vecchione) Date: Sat Nov 18 20:49:56 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Help wanted for RTS game In-Reply-To: <200611182038.42265.cucullin@wtfisthat.net> References: <79eea87e0611181449i2712f7bfka1f6bd06a826662f@mail.gmail.com> <455FB378.3030707@gmail.com> <200611182038.42265.cucullin@wtfisthat.net> Message-ID: <455FB965.1050909@gmail.com> > > "0 A.D. is (according to the current plans) going to be 'free' as in no cost, > but not all 'Free' as in freedom (or even as in open source) (though some > components are likely to be) - so it can't be called 'free software', and > would probably not be accepted by GNU people." Hmm thanks for that, couldn't find anything myself;) Its one of those things, I am not even sure I have time to donate at the moment as I am going in for another interview for a new audio engineer job at a large complex that will be taking up a fair amount of my time if I get it. No problem donating time if I have it, but I would rather donate time to things that I think will benefit a large group, and since I have received so much from open source returning to it is important to me. I do hope the project succeeds though, and after I find out how much time I have I may take another look at it if they can clarify their positioning on the 'free'ness of it, in as far as what will or won't be and reasoning. Seablade From seablaede at gmail.com Sat Nov 18 20:55:45 2006 From: seablaede at gmail.com (Thomas Vecchione) Date: Sat Nov 18 20:51:17 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Help wanted for RTS game In-Reply-To: <1163900607.11645.6.camel@c213-100-20-9.swipnet.se> References: <79eea87e0611181449i2712f7bfka1f6bd06a826662f@mail.gmail.com> <455FB378.3030707@gmail.com> <200611182038.42265.cucullin@wtfisthat.net> <1163900607.11645.6.camel@c213-100-20-9.swipnet.se> Message-ID: <455FB9A1.9040502@gmail.com> > Why not make it free in all meanings of the word? I am wondering if there are parts of it that can't be made free in that method due to what they link to. But I am curious as well obviously. Seablade From paniq at paniq.org Sat Nov 18 21:30:26 2006 From: paniq at paniq.org (Leonard "paniq" Ritter) Date: Sat Nov 18 21:30:36 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Help wanted for RTS game In-Reply-To: <455FB9A1.9040502@gmail.com> References: <79eea87e0611181449i2712f7bfka1f6bd06a826662f@mail.gmail.com> <455FB378.3030707@gmail.com> <200611182038.42265.cucullin@wtfisthat.net> <1163900607.11645.6.camel@c213-100-20-9.swipnet.se> <455FB9A1.9040502@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1163903426.10080.25.camel@localhost> i'm aware this is an audio list, so if you want to reply, please do not reply to this list :) this is actually something i'm thinking about quite a lot: open source game development. is it feasible/possible for the mainstream, since it's heavily product based? i would say, yes. the gpl is based to source code and focused on maintenance. it doesn't apply to content, which usually constitutes 90% of a mainstream game. we've seen id software open sourcing - although a bit later, because of engine licensing. possible licensing of your engine is of course a reason not to open source your game - then again, game developers need to cut on the cost in the future, and entrepreneurs will have to resort to using open source engines like ogre and others (this is happening already! look at e.g. ankh). there are also other reasons. a friend of mine open sourced his code so he could switch companies and still keep using his codebase. so i can see that open source game development will surely get a major market share in the future, with freely available sources but non-free content that has to be bought. if the content was free i.e. creative commons licensed, it would be quite pointless to package and sell it. it might however be possible, that on top of open source development there will grow an open content development, with a vast and rich set of 2d, 3d and musical "clip art". content generation algorithms might also improve, thus artists might only be needed to aggregate works and direct content development. On Sat, 2006-11-18 at 20:55 -0500, Thomas Vecchione wrote: > > Why not make it free in all meanings of the word? > > I am wondering if there are parts of it that can't be made free in that > method due to what they link to. But I am curious as well obviously. > > Seablade -- -- Leonard Ritter -- http://www.leonard-ritter.com -- http://www.paniq.org From seablaede at gmail.com Sat Nov 18 21:50:48 2006 From: seablaede at gmail.com (Thomas Vecchione) Date: Sat Nov 18 21:44:20 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Help wanted for RTS game In-Reply-To: <1163903426.10080.25.camel@localhost> References: <79eea87e0611181449i2712f7bfka1f6bd06a826662f@mail.gmail.com> <455FB378.3030707@gmail.com> <200611182038.42265.cucullin@wtfisthat.net> <1163900607.11645.6.camel@c213-100-20-9.swipnet.se> <455FB9A1.9040502@gmail.com> <1163903426.10080.25.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <455FC688.8030101@gmail.com> > it might however be possible, that on top of open source development > there will grow an open content development, with a vast and rich set of > 2d, 3d and musical "clip art". content generation algorithms might also > improve, thus artists might only be needed to aggregate works and direct > content development. Since this one I believe still pertains to the list I kept it on it, someone can feel free to correct me if I am wrong on that aspect though. At any rate, this is something I have been considering for a few years now as a way to give back, unfortunately the list of my own recorded sounds is somewhat smaller than I would like, and my designs tend to use libraries that I am not allowed to release as open licensed things, even if I have modified them I don't believe(I should take a look at this, but am fairly certain). It is something worth considering, and is already happening in fact, there are already many creative commons licensed .blend files and the like for 3D, collections of free textures, even free sound effects collections. I am of course interested to see what may develop of these different aspects myself. Seablade From marcospcmusica at gmail.com Sat Nov 18 19:59:20 2006 From: marcospcmusica at gmail.com (Marcos Guglielmetti) Date: Sat Nov 18 23:59:45 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: [Jackit-devel] Too many xruns after upgrade from debian/testing In-Reply-To: <200611181941.03604.mista.tapas@gmx.net> References: <200611172137.02408.marcospcmusica@gmail.com> <200611181437.06386.marcospcmusica@gmail.com> <200611181941.03604.mista.tapas@gmx.net> Message-ID: <200611190159.21486.marcospcmusica@gmail.com> El S?b 18 Nov 2006 19:41, Florian Schmidt escribi?: > On Saturday 18 November 2006 14:37, Marcos Guglielmetti wrote: > > > > How? > > > > > > ps -C jackd -cmL > > > > > > Regards, > > > Flo > > > > Thanks, here it is > > > > ps -C jackd -cmL > > PID LWP CLS PRI TTY TIME CMD > > 15669 - - - ? 00:00:00 jackd > > - 15669 TS 21 - 00:00:00 - > > - 15670 TS 23 - 00:00:00 - > > - 15671 TS 23 - 00:00:00 - > > - 15672 TS 23 - 00:00:00 - > > - 15673 TS 24 - 00:00:00 - > > And this is what it should look like: > > ~$ ps -C jackd -cmL > PID LWP CLS PRI TTY TIME CMD > 9080 - - - ? 00:01:14 jackd > - 9080 TS 21 - 00:00:00 - > - 9081 TS 21 - 00:00:00 - > - 9082 TS 24 - 00:00:00 - > - 9083 FF 120 - 00:00:00 - > - 9084 FF 110 - 00:01:14 - > > The two FF threads are the realtime threads (running SCHED_FIFO).. > > Flo Wow, ok, so, well, mmm What should I do? Thanks :D -- Marcos Guglielmetti * Director del desarrollo de Musix GNU+Linux, 100% Software Libre * CD Donwload: (http://www.musix.org.ar/en/) * Videos, programas y otras cosas en: ftp://musix.ourproject.org/pub/musix/ * Reporte de errores a: https://www.musix.org.ar/wiki/index.php?title=Problemas-Bugs *IRC: #musix channel on freenode * Torrent Download: https://e.ututo.org.ar/utiles/torrent/MusixGNU-Linux0.59.iso.torrent From gnome at hawaii.rr.com Sun Nov 19 00:34:07 2006 From: gnome at hawaii.rr.com (david) Date: Sun Nov 19 00:34:20 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: [Rosegarden-user] Changing the length of existing events? In-Reply-To: <200611181132.02446.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> References: <20061118161536.GB7001@kallisti.us> <200611181132.02446.michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> Message-ID: <455FECCF.4050204@hawaii.rr.com> D. Michael McIntyre wrote: > On Saturday 18 November 2006 11:15 am, Ross Vandegrift wrote: > >> better than ever, and I'd venture to say, better than anything else >> I've ever used. Thanks a million! > > You're welcome. > >> Got a few questions - in the notation editor, is there a way to change >> the durations of a bunch of events at once? I can double-click a >> single event and edit all of its parameters, but I don't see a way to >> do this for a selection of events. > > Did you find Adjust -> Rescale? That's the closest thing I can think of to > what you're asking. > >> If I have two segments in the canvas that start at the same time and >> end at the same time, is there a way I can pick which is "on top" so >> it will be the one I edit when it's opened up? Right now, if I want >> to edit the bottom segment, I'm flipping the top one to a different >> track and then flipping it back. > > We've been squabbling over this one for years, and can't agree what should be > done, so we've done nothing as far as I remember. You're probably already > doing everything you can. By "top" you mean being the top staff of the notation sheet? -- David gnome@hawaii.rr.com authenticity, honesty, community From k.s.matheussen at notam02.no Sun Nov 19 03:40:30 2006 From: k.s.matheussen at notam02.no (Kjetil S. Matheussen) Date: Sun Nov 19 03:40:54 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] RE: Interview with EnergyXT Developer In-Reply-To: <20061118165811.22F4C42992B1@music.columbia.edu> References: <20061118165811.22F4C42992B1@music.columbia.edu> Message-ID: "Ivica Ico Bukvic": > > So, if I understand this correctly, there is no API out there that simply > translates common GUI VST calls into any of the libre toolkits which are > also available on Linux, other than the full-fledged Wine implementation? If > so, that *really* sucks. > Well, probably maybe. Its hard to know what GUI toolkits closed source software use. And it doesn't matter very much either until there is a big enough marked for commercial vst plugins on linux, which might never happen because we have better standards than vst for fitted for linux audio: The trouble of getting various x toolkits to work with each other is probably more easely solved by using dssi or just making jack programs out of the plugins. Besides, ladspa is a much more supported standard than vst on linux, and for most vst plugins, it probably doesn't require that much work to make them support ladspa as well as vst. I think it boils down to vst plugin developers not having much interest in linux audio. Thats where the work needs to be done I think. From _ at whats-your.name Sun Nov 19 04:39:22 2006 From: _ at whats-your.name (carmen) Date: Sun Nov 19 04:39:43 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] RE: Interview with EnergyXT Developer In-Reply-To: References: <20061118165811.22F4C42992B1@music.columbia.edu> Message-ID: <20061119093922.GA24736@replic.net> > I think it boils down to vst plugin developers not having much interest in linux audio. oddly they were into BeOS (steinborg at least) when it had 5 users, but not Linux when it has what, 3% of the global desktop market? does anyone have any recent ubuntu installation figures? maybe we need to do some kind of BeOS 5.1 vs Linux 2.6.19-rc6-rt4 showdown white paper, in areas like latency, performance, driver support, and shop it around to Charlie, Robert, Ron, whoever may be interested. we could rig a tests, make pretty charts, and encourage users to Think Different. all the high end 3D software like Maya, XSI, dont seem too deterred by Blender to offer a linux version..i guess windows audio people are just in the stone ages... > Thats where the work needs to be done I think. i think the best solution might just be to wait for notebooks to come with Vista and people wondering how they bought a 486 propel Ubuntu's market share to like 25%. then things will just magically happen, with no effort expended on our part.. > From yves at jazzcomputer.org Sun Nov 19 09:06:38 2006 From: yves at jazzcomputer.org (Yves Potin) Date: Sun Nov 19 09:06:53 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Global reverb setup Message-ID: <20061119140638.GA14104@localhost> Hi. Using a global reverb in the final stage of a mix, especially when using Jamin in Ardour, may improve tremendously the global quality of the sound. But I wonder what kind of reverb can be used to obtain the most neutral and most efficient effect, considering that, by definition, I don't know on what audio system my mix will be heard. I know such a question implies subjective preferences, and depends on the kind of music being mastered. But I imagine some advices could be given to avoid the most common mistakes, also : - What's the best kind of reverb to use ? A plate one ? I am mostly satsified with the gverb plugin, but maybe a plate one would be more efficient, regarding to the immense type of existing audio systems. I find the TAP reverbs far too agressive for being used in this final stage, am I wrong ? - Are there typical setups for this kind of use (length, tail, damping) ? - What's the best place to put this reverb ? On a bus of Ardour, at the output of Jamin, or directly on the master track, after the return of Jamin ? Or during another step, after having bounced all the mix through Jamin on a dedicated track ? - Are there some things to take care of, not to get too many things blurred, especially reverbs applied during the mix only to some instruments ? For example, if I use a special, somewhat strong, reverb on a snare, is there a special way to setup this reverb, or the global one, for it and the snare itself not to get drowned in a sea of blurred and vague background noise ? - More generally, is this kind of practice very common in mastering, or is it better to do such a thing before this final step ? Of course I know I can try and try myself to get the best kind of result, and also search Google to find tons of contradictory practices :), but I would really welcome some advices as I'm not yet really professionnal in mastering :). So thank you very much in advance, Y. From t_w_ at freenet.de Sun Nov 19 10:56:03 2006 From: t_w_ at freenet.de (Thorsten Wilms) Date: Sun Nov 19 10:56:40 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Global reverb setup In-Reply-To: <20061119140638.GA14104@localhost> References: <20061119140638.GA14104@localhost> Message-ID: <20061119155603.GB5455@charly.SWORD> On Sun, Nov 19, 2006 at 03:06:38PM +0100, Yves Potin wrote: > Using a global reverb in the final stage of a mix, especially when > using Jamin in Ardour, may improve tremendously the global quality of the > sound. What makes you think so? > I find the TAP reverbs far too agressive for being used in this final stage, > am I wrong ? That depends on dry/wet ... and all other parameters, I would say :) > - What's the best place to put this reverb ? On a bus of Ardour, > at the output of Jamin, or directly on the master track, after the return > of Jamin ? Or during another step, after having bounced all the mix through > Jamin on a dedicated track ? Whatever allows you to listen to Jamin's output plus reverb, allows to adjust the reverb level, mute reverb but not main signal ... > - Are there some things to take care of, not to get too many > things blurred, especially reverbs applied during the mix only to some > instruments ? For example, if I use a special, somewhat strong, reverb on > a snare, is there a special way to setup this reverb, or the global one, > for it and the snare itself not to get drowned in a sea of blurred and > vague background noise ? Sometimes I use high-pass filters before sending to reverb to avoid low-frequency smear. Using a lowpass to keep a snares reverb out of the realm of other percussion might also make sense. One might have to use automation if the instruments are standing more or less alone in places, though, to not have it become apparent then, though. Keep it simple if in doubt, I'd say :) > - More generally, is this kind of practice very common in > mastering, or is it better to do such a thing before this final step ? never heared/read about it, but that doesn't mean much. I have noticed that compression tends to reduce the perceived amount of reverb. Perhaps that indicates non-optimal settings, though. Anyway, counteracting by reverbing the full signal can only lessen the effect of compression, so you could just use more subtle compression in the first place. Or increase reverb on the single tracks before compression. I think that reverb on the master can only work against the room impression because the relative placement of instruments is ignored (higher wet amount for distant instruments/sounds). -- Thorsten Wilms From d_baron at 012.net.il Sun Nov 19 11:14:15 2006 From: d_baron at 012.net.il (David Baron) Date: Sun Nov 19 11:14:29 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: [ANN] Aldrin 0.6 (Raven) In-Reply-To: <20061118224955.BB48442B04E4@music.columbia.edu> References: <20061118224955.BB48442B04E4@music.columbia.edu> Message-ID: <200611191814.15556.d_baron@012.net.il> On Sunday 19 November 2006 00:49, linux-audio-user-request@music.columbia.edu wrote: > Aldrin is an open source modular sequencer/tracker, designed to be 1:1 > compatible to Jeskola Buzz. > > We're proud to announce the release of Aldrin 0.6 (Raven), featuring > incremental saving, the Makk M4 Synth, ADSR envelopes, presets, various > new shortcuts and the usual set of bugfixes. > > http://www.leonard-ritter.com/announcement_aldrin_0_6_raven Time to try yet another version. There seems to be a problem between python 2.4 and 2.5 (unsupported!!). Aldrin wants 2.5 but only 2.4 finds the wxWidgets required. Using 2.4, in any event, segfaults. From folderol at ukfsn.org Sun Nov 19 11:26:59 2006 From: folderol at ukfsn.org (Folderol) Date: Sun Nov 19 11:27:42 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Global reverb setup In-Reply-To: <20061119155603.GB5455@charly.SWORD> References: <20061119140638.GA14104@localhost> <20061119155603.GB5455@charly.SWORD> Message-ID: <20061119162659.4820e10e@general> On Sun, 19 Nov 2006 16:56:03 +0100 Thorsten Wilms wrote: > I think that reverb on the master can only work against the room > impression because the relative placement of instruments is ignored > (higher wet amount for distant instruments/sounds). > > > -- > Thorsten Wilms I especially agree with this point. I often use reverb to add depth and distance to individual instruments. For this to work well, some of the instruments need to be 'dry' or nearly so. -- Will J G From fons.adriaensen at skynet.be Sun Nov 19 11:34:47 2006 From: fons.adriaensen at skynet.be (Fons Adriaensen) Date: Sun Nov 19 11:32:35 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Global reverb setup In-Reply-To: <20061119140638.GA14104@localhost> References: <20061119140638.GA14104@localhost> Message-ID: <20061119163447.GA5939@linux-1.site> On Sun, Nov 19, 2006 at 03:06:38PM +0100, Yves Potin wrote: > Using a global reverb in the final stage of a mix, especially when > using Jamin in Ardour, may improve tremendously the global quality of the > sound. But I wonder what kind of reverb can be used to obtain the most > neutral and most efficient effect, considering that, by definition, I > don't know on what audio system my mix will be heard. > ... Using reverb is part of the mixing operation, not of mastering. Global reverb (the same on all sound) is usually a bad idea. It all depends on the kind of music you are making, and what you want to achieve with the recording - recreate something that sounds as if it was played in a real acoustic space, or a soundscape that is completely abstract. If you want to recreate a natural acoustic space the reverb is not used as an effect. If well done, the listener will in most cases not even notice that any reverb has been added. This will be the case for classical music, jazz, folk, ethnic music, etc. For classical music, if recorded in a well sounding hall, often no extra reverb is used and the whole perspective is created by microphone placement. For close-miked multitrack recordings you will need to add reverb to individual tracks, how much depends on where you want a particular instrument of vocal track to be situated in the mix. In other words you use the reverb to create depth, placing some tracks in front and others in several layers behind each other. The type of reverb you need here is one that corresponds to a real acoustic space, with early reflections and a reverb tail, often adjustable separately. The other extreme you will find in any form of 'electronica' where you can do more or less what you want with reverb, since there is no natural reference, and often the intent is to create something that sounds unnatural in the first place. Anything goes here. Mainstream pop falls between these two, using reverb both for creating ambiance and depth, and as an effect. The tradinional way is to use one or more post-fader auxiliary sends, each of them feeding a particular reverb or other effect unit. The reverb signals are mixed in just as extra tracks. A reverb used as an effect on a single track can also be wired as an insert. Now using aux sends in this way is a pain in Ardour since each send is in a separate window. It's a problem both for effect sends and foldback mixes. This is IMHO one of Ardour's design flaws. On old-style analog mixers you had a number of aux sends and a knob for each of them on each channel. Very practical but of course expensive. Hardware digital mixers often have a large number of aux sends and use either assignable knobs or faders to control them, or allow for any the aux busses to be controlled by the main faders - you push a button and the faders jump to the gains for an aux send, push another one and they control again the main mix. Ardour would benefit much from such a system, either using the main faders or a smaller assignable one. -- FA Lascia la spina, cogli la rosa. From d_baron at 012.net.il Sun Nov 19 11:52:13 2006 From: d_baron at 012.net.il (David Baron) Date: Sun Nov 19 11:52:25 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: [ANN] Aldrin 0.6 (Raven) In-Reply-To: <20061118224955.BB48442B04E4@music.columbia.edu> References: <20061118224955.BB48442B04E4@music.columbia.edu> Message-ID: <200611191852.13833.d_baron@012.net.il> >> Aldrin is an open source modular sequencer/tracker, designed to be 1:1 >> compatible to Jeskola Buzz. > >> We're proud to announce the release of Aldrin 0.6 (Raven), featuring >> incremental saving, the Makk M4 Synth, ADSR envelopes, presets, various >> new shortcuts and the usual set of bugfixes. >> >> http://www.leonard-ritter.com/announcement_aldrin_0_6_raven >Time to try yet another version. >There seems to be a problem between python 2.4 and 2.5 (unsupported!!). Aldrin >wants 2.5 but only 2.4 finds the wxWidgets required. Using 2.4, in any event, >segfaults. Version 0.6.1 also segfaults. Since the program is written C++, the python version should not matter, huh? From jamesmstone at gmail.com Sun Nov 19 12:06:59 2006 From: jamesmstone at gmail.com (James Stone) Date: Sun Nov 19 12:07:02 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: [ANN] Aldrin 0.6 (Raven) In-Reply-To: <200611191852.13833.d_baron@012.net.il> References: <20061118224955.BB48442B04E4@music.columbia.edu> <200611191852.13833.d_baron@012.net.il> Message-ID: <20061119170659.GA13356@moon.base> On Sun, Nov 19, 2006 at 06:52:13PM +0200, David Baron wrote: > >> Aldrin is an open source modular sequencer/tracker, designed to be 1:1 > >> compatible to Jeskola Buzz. > > > >> We're proud to announce the release of Aldrin 0.6 (Raven), featuring > >> incremental saving, the Makk M4 Synth, ADSR envelopes, presets, various > >> new shortcuts and the usual set of bugfixes. > >> > >> http://www.leonard-ritter.com/announcement_aldrin_0_6_raven > > >Time to try yet another version. > > >There seems to be a problem between python 2.4 and 2.5 (unsupported!!). > Aldrin > >wants 2.5 but only 2.4 finds the wxWidgets required. Using 2.4, in any event, > >segfaults. > > Version 0.6.1 also segfaults. Since the program is written C++, the python > version should not matter, huh? Works fine on my system. It must be a problem with your setup. Make sure you have the correct version of wxpython for your python install.. (I am using python 2.4 and wxpython 2.6). James From dubphil at free.fr Sun Nov 19 13:58:47 2006 From: dubphil at free.fr (Dubphil) Date: Sun Nov 19 13:59:09 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [OT] kororaa report Message-ID: <39563.192.168.0.2.1163962727.squirrel@webmail.migratis.net> Hello, as this is quite a gentoo specific post, I have marked it as off topic, but it should be interesting for others. So I have tried the kororaa installation. The install on itself is very easy, it looks like a debian install and it tooks less than 1 hour to have a fully functionnal but outdated Gentoo system. Alsaconf is used to detect the audio hardware, so my USB cards was not detected :( The kernel provided is quite old : 2.6.14 The install is using prebuild packages, but updating a package switch emerge to use the compilation way. After the installation, we have an outdated system, and here begin a nightmare that would totally disgusting any newcommers to the Gentoo system. The kororaa mainteners have masked or unmasked tons of packages, so the emerge world needs a lot of masking and unmasking work to be launched properly. In short, the upgrade process is directly broken. So to conclude, I would advise newcommers to Gentoo to use the traditionnal way of installing gentoo even if it takes 1 day and needs to use the command line. Regards Philippe From b0ef at esben-stien.name Sun Nov 19 15:51:50 2006 From: b0ef at esben-stien.name (Esben Stien) Date: Sun Nov 19 14:04:38 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Help wanted for RTS game In-Reply-To: <1163903426.10080.25.camel@localhost> (Leonard Ritter's message of "Sun, 19 Nov 2006 03:30:26 +0100") References: <79eea87e0611181449i2712f7bfka1f6bd06a826662f@mail.gmail.com> <455FB378.3030707@gmail.com> <200611182038.42265.cucullin@wtfisthat.net> <1163900607.11645.6.camel@c213-100-20-9.swipnet.se> <455FB9A1.9040502@gmail.com> <1163903426.10080.25.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <878xi75fdl.fsf@esben-stien.name> "Leonard \"paniq\" Ritter" writes: > the gpl is based to source code and focused on maintenance. it > doesn't apply to content With CEL, using crystalspace, you can pretty much make a complete game in XML. With a free content database of audio, 3d models, video, textures, etc, there will pop up "games" everywhere. The word game limits creativity. We all be walking in 3d space some day, in different environments, jumping from one environment to another through portals, maybe with their own laws of physics;). This is the future of the Internet. In these worlds, you may do shopping, checking out products, you may play table tennis, water ski, walk the mountain, ride a bicycle, drive a car, frag friends, etc. With free content databases and free software engines, you're pretty much home free easily constructing new worlds for people to explore. -- Esben Stien is b0ef@e s a http://www. s t n m irc://irc. b - i . e/%23contact sip:b0ef@ e e jid:b0ef@ n n From lau at kudla.org Sun Nov 19 14:07:44 2006 From: lau at kudla.org (Rob) Date: Sun Nov 19 14:08:54 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] RE: Interview with EnergyXT Developer In-Reply-To: <20061119093922.GA24736@replic.net> References: <20061118165811.22F4C42992B1@music.columbia.edu> <20061119093922.GA24736@replic.net> Message-ID: <200611191407.45088.lau@kudla.org> On Sunday 19 November 2006 04:39, carmen wrote: > > I think it boils down to vst plugin developers not having > > much interest in linux audio. > > oddly they were into BeOS (steinborg at least) when it had 5 > users, but not Linux when it has what, 3% of the global > desktop market? does anyone have any recent ubuntu Step into a proprietary software maker's shoes for a second and think back to when BeOS appeared to be relevant. BeOS, at the time, was hyped to non-technical people as "the next Mac", and those 5 people who bought Beboxen demonstrated an eagerness to buy high-margin, big-ticket, so-called "professional" software. Linux, successful as it is, is hyped to non-technical people as "the cheap alternative", and those millions of desktop users have demonstrated an eagerness to post on message boards about how overpriced software is and to write their own free knockoffs. I fall into the latter category myself, and in fact, > if im paying $45, id like the source with it thanks :) so do you. But I totally understand why the Steinbergs of the world (not to mention the Adobes, etc.) still target Windows users. It's those three little words that mean so much: "They'll buy ANYTHING." Rob From ico at vt.edu Sun Nov 19 14:15:50 2006 From: ico at vt.edu (Ivica Ico Bukvic) Date: Sun Nov 19 14:16:53 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] RE: Interview with EnergyXT Developer In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <001401c70c0f$201be410$0302a8c0@64BitBadass> > I think it boils down to vst plugin developers not having much interest > in linux audio. Thats where the work needs to be done I think. Well, for them to have interest, there has to be a viable market, and currently there isn't--we are too small and too involved in the free as in free speech concepts (please do not get me wrong, I am totally for this kind of an approach, I am simply trying to depict the reasoning behind this apparent lack of interest). Hence, the only way they will ever consider our market is if we find someone who is: 1) sympathetic 2) willing to invest *little* time to recompile their work for Linux Our job is that *little* is as little as possible. Utopian case scenario would be that a developer could simply take its source, link it against the LPGL-ed VSTGUI library, recompile, and be done with it. Then, we would stand a chance. But this would not be the end of it. Even if we get this far, chances are what we would get would be commercial natively-compiled plugins and the next step would be for us to prove that our community has enough of market potential to make such endeavors worthwhile (namely by purchasing their product). This, as Linux gaming market has already taught us, is a lot tougher to happen, however... Best wishes, Ico From lars.luthman at gmail.com Sun Nov 19 14:29:53 2006 From: lars.luthman at gmail.com (Lars Luthman) Date: Sun Nov 19 14:30:02 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [Completely OT] Help wanted for RTS game In-Reply-To: <878xi75fdl.fsf@esben-stien.name> References: <79eea87e0611181449i2712f7bfka1f6bd06a826662f@mail.gmail.com> <455FB378.3030707@gmail.com> <200611182038.42265.cucullin@wtfisthat.net> <1163900607.11645.6.camel@c213-100-20-9.swipnet.se> <455FB9A1.9040502@gmail.com> <1163903426.10080.25.camel@localhost> <878xi75fdl.fsf@esben-stien.name> Message-ID: <1163964593.11831.20.camel@c213-100-20-9.swipnet.se> On Sun, 2006-11-19 at 21:51 +0100, Esben Stien wrote: > The word game limits creativity. We all be walking in 3d space some > day, in different environments, jumping from one environment to > another through portals, maybe with their own laws of physics;). This > is the future of the Internet. > > In these worlds, you may do shopping, checking out products, you may > play table tennis, water ski, walk the mountain, ride a bicycle, drive > a car, frag friends, etc. At the risk of sounding like a technophobe, I think I'll still be riding my real bicycle on real mountains. To the extent that I frag my friends I'll try to keep it on the internet though. =) And you really should read "Permutation City" and "Diaspora" by Greg Egan. -- Lars Luthman - please encrypt any email sent to me if possible PGP key: http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x04C77E2E Fingerprint: FCA7 C790 19B9 322D EB7A E1B3 4371 4650 04C7 7E2E -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part Url : http://music.columbia.edu/pipermail/linux-audio-user/attachments/20061119/e49aab19/attachment.bin From d_baron at 012.net.il Sun Nov 19 14:53:26 2006 From: d_baron at 012.net.il (David Baron) Date: Sun Nov 19 15:04:08 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] RE: [ANN] Aldrin 0.6 (Raven) In-Reply-To: <20061119191651.2C6C142F6BDF@music.columbia.edu> References: <20061119191651.2C6C142F6BDF@music.columbia.edu> Message-ID: <200611192153.26963.d_baron@012.net.il> > > >There seems to be a problem between python 2.4 and 2.5 (unsupported!!). > > > > Aldrin > > > > >wants 2.5 but only 2.4 finds the wxWidgets required. Using 2.4, in any > > > event, segfaults. > > > > Version 0.6.1 also segfaults. Since the program is written C++, the > > python version should not matter, huh? > > Works fine on my system. It must be a problem with your setup. > > Make sure you have the correct version of wxpython for your > python install.. > > (I am using python 2.4 and wxpython 2.6). There is no package for wxpython on Debian Sid. I have python-wxgtk2.6, python-wxtools and pthon=wxversion (all 2.6.3.2.1.5) installed. There is a libwxgtk2.4-python available but no installed. From jamesmstone at gmail.com Sun Nov 19 15:14:28 2006 From: jamesmstone at gmail.com (James Stone) Date: Sun Nov 19 15:14:22 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] RE: [ANN] Aldrin 0.6 (Raven) In-Reply-To: <200611192153.26963.d_baron@012.net.il> References: <20061119191651.2C6C142F6BDF@music.columbia.edu> <200611192153.26963.d_baron@012.net.il> Message-ID: <20061119201428.GB14428@moon.base> On Sun, Nov 19, 2006 at 09:53:26PM +0200, David Baron wrote: > > > >There seems to be a problem between python 2.4 and 2.5 (unsupported!!). > > > > > > Aldrin > > > > > > >wants 2.5 but only 2.4 finds the wxWidgets required. Using 2.4, in any > > > > event, segfaults. > > > > > > Version 0.6.1 also segfaults. Since the program is written C++, the > > > python version should not matter, huh? > > > > Works fine on my system. It must be a problem with your setup. > > > > Make sure you have the correct version of wxpython for your > > python install.. > > > > (I am using python 2.4 and wxpython 2.6). > > There is no package for wxpython on Debian Sid. I have python-wxgtk2.6, > python-wxtools and pthon=wxversion (all 2.6.3.2.1.5) installed. There is a > libwxgtk2.4-python available but no installed. I'm on Debian sid too.. did you read the build instructions and do: sudo apt-get install build-essential python2.4 python-wxgtk2.6 libsndfile1 libsndfile1-dev scons ladspa-sdk python-ctypes libasound2-dev libjack0.100.0-dev zlib1g zlib1g-dev libflac7 libflac-dev libportmidi0 libportmidi-dev see: http://trac.zeitherrschaft.org/zzub/wiki/BuildAldrin James From lau at kudla.org Sun Nov 19 15:26:15 2006 From: lau at kudla.org (Rob) Date: Sun Nov 19 15:27:50 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [Completely OT] Help wanted for RTS game In-Reply-To: <1163964593.11831.20.camel@c213-100-20-9.swipnet.se> References: <79eea87e0611181449i2712f7bfka1f6bd06a826662f@mail.gmail.com> <878xi75fdl.fsf@esben-stien.name> <1163964593.11831.20.camel@c213-100-20-9.swipnet.se> Message-ID: <200611191526.16138.lau@kudla.org> On Sunday 19 November 2006 14:29, Lars Luthman wrote: > > In these worlds, you may do shopping, checking out products, > > you may play table tennis, water ski, walk the mountain, > > ride a bicycle, drive a car, frag friends, etc. > > At the risk of sounding like a technophobe, I think I'll still > be riding my real bicycle on real mountains. To the extent > that I frag my friends I'll try to keep it on the internet > though. =) Not only that, but the whole notion of "buying products" in a virtual world makes no sense. Why implement one of the biggest problems with the physical world (scarcity of resources) in a virtual world? Limitations and rules are what make games fun, but if we're not talking about a game, why shouldn't everyone be a god? That's what strikes me most about things like Second Life in contrast with earlier, more god-like (if primitive) virtual worlds like AlphaWorld. Why create the illusion of scarcity? Why have rich and poor people when you don't need to? Do people really consider the divide between wealth and poverty FUN? Rob From d_baron at 012.net.il Sun Nov 19 15:40:38 2006 From: d_baron at 012.net.il (David Baron) Date: Sun Nov 19 15:40:51 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Compiling Latest and Greatest Muse Message-ID: <200611192240.38371.d_baron@012.net.il> A few solvable problems so far: 1. One must move the $KDEDIR/include/plugin.h out of the way. 2. If one want VST capabilities, one needs set the environment variables FST_CFLAGS and FST_LIBS to either one's jack-fst source directory and the fst.exe.so or to the muse directory (for want of anything else!) and /usr/bin/fst.exe.so if fst was installed from Debian Sid (it's there now!) 3. One does need fst.h from jack-fst sources if one wants VST capabilities so if you installed from Sid and do not have an old one around, you need to find it on sourceforge or wherever. You can put it in the muse (source) directory. 4. One does need those two .h files AEffect.h and aeffectx.h from Steinberg which will not be distributed with GPL stuff. Download the vst sdk from Steinberg and copy them to muse/vst which is where fst.h will look for them. 5. If one wants lash, install the development package from Sid. From dominic.sacre at gmx.de Sun Nov 19 18:53:06 2006 From: dominic.sacre at gmx.de (Dominic =?iso-8859-1?q?Sacr=E9?=) Date: Sun Nov 19 18:55:42 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [ANN] jack_oscrolloscope 0.1 Message-ID: <200611200053.06585.dominic.sacre@gmx.de> After my search for a realtime waveform viewer a while ago didn't quite yield the result I was looking for, I decided to write one myself. So here's the first release of jack_oscrolloscope (thanks Dave Robillard for inventing the name): http://das.nasophon.de/jack_oscrolloscope/ I hope someone finds this useful. Feedback is appreciated, please let me know if you encounter any problems. Cheers, Dominic From b0ef at esben-stien.name Sun Nov 19 20:42:52 2006 From: b0ef at esben-stien.name (Esben Stien) Date: Sun Nov 19 18:56:15 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [Completely OT] Help wanted for RTS game In-Reply-To: <200611191526.16138.lau@kudla.org> (Rob's message of "Sun, 19 Nov 2006 15:26:15 -0500") References: <79eea87e0611181449i2712f7bfka1f6bd06a826662f@mail.gmail.com> <878xi75fdl.fsf@esben-stien.name> <1163964593.11831.20.camel@c213-100-20-9.swipnet.se> <200611191526.16138.lau@kudla.org> Message-ID: <87irhaopur.fsf@esben-stien.name> Rob writes: > the whole notion of "buying products" in a virtual world makes no > sense. Why implement one of the biggest problems with the physical > world (scarcity of resources) in a virtual world? Well, you do own a home in some form (or rent), you own a keyboard, mouse, etc. If I want to check out a new OSC controller, why not get a feel for it looking at it with virtual reality glasses?. Same goes for everything else. I think it's pretty evident that this is what we are heading for;). -- Esben Stien is b0ef@e s a http://www. s t n m irc://irc. b - i . e/%23contact sip:b0ef@ e e jid:b0ef@ n n From esa.linna at kolumbus.fi Sun Nov 19 19:02:58 2006 From: esa.linna at kolumbus.fi (Esa Linna) Date: Sun Nov 19 19:01:59 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Midi in Qjackctl Message-ID: <4560F0B2.2010401@kolumbus.fi> I have totally forgotten how I did manage to get midi work in Mandriva 2006, and now I am using Mandriva 2007. Multimedia kernel with realtime capabilities is installed, and audio's fine. But when I start qjackctl, midi stays disabled. I am using Audigy 2 as sound card ( I got also SB Live in my PC) and Edlrol UM-1X usb midi interface. Tried these ones as root: modprobe snd-seq-midi modprobe snd-seq modprobe snd-usb-audio "amidi -l" gives: Dir Device Name IO hw:0,0 Audigy MPU-401 (UART) IO hw:0,1 Audigy MPU-401 #2 IO hw:1,0 EMU10K1 MPU-401 (UART) IO hw:2,0,0 UM-1SX MIDI 1 "aconnect -o" gives: client 14: 'Midi Through' [type=kernel] 0 'Midi Through Port-0' client 16: 'Audigy 2 ZS [SB0350]' [type=kernel] 0 'Audigy MPU-401 (UART)' 32 'Audigy MPU-401 #2' client 17: 'Emu10k1 WaveTable' [type=kernel] 0 'Emu10k1 Port 0 ' 1 'Emu10k1 Port 1 ' 2 'Emu10k1 Port 2 ' 3 'Emu10k1 Port 3 ' client 20: 'SBLive! Value [CT4832]' [type=kernel] 0 'EMU10K1 MPU-401 (UART)' client 21: 'Emu10k1 WaveTable' [type=kernel] 0 'Emu10k1 Port 0 ' 1 'Emu10k1 Port 1 ' 2 'Emu10k1 Port 2 ' 3 'Emu10k1 Port 3 ' client 24: 'UM-1SX' [type=kernel] 0 'UM-1SX MIDI 1 ' So Edirol seems to be there.. -- ----------------------- http://www.emvg.net/esa http://www.emvg.net ----------------------- From gnome at hawaii.rr.com Sun Nov 19 19:10:44 2006 From: gnome at hawaii.rr.com (david) Date: Sun Nov 19 19:10:54 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] RE: Interview with EnergyXT Developer In-Reply-To: <20061119093922.GA24736@replic.net> References: <20061118165811.22F4C42992B1@music.columbia.edu> <20061119093922.GA24736@replic.net> Message-ID: <4560F284.2060507@hawaii.rr.com> carmen wrote: >> I think it boils down to vst plugin developers not having much >> interest in linux audio. > > oddly they were into BeOS (steinborg at least) when it had 5 users, > but not Linux when it has what, 3% of the global desktop market? Sorry, I guess Linus Torvalds just isn't as charismatic and connected with the media as Steve Jobs is ... ;-) -- David gnome@hawaii.rr.com authenticity, honesty, community From gnome at hawaii.rr.com Sun Nov 19 19:13:24 2006 From: gnome at hawaii.rr.com (david) Date: Sun Nov 19 19:13:47 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] RE: Interview with EnergyXT Developer In-Reply-To: <001401c70c0f$201be410$0302a8c0@64BitBadass> References: <001401c70c0f$201be410$0302a8c0@64BitBadass> Message-ID: <4560F324.1050305@hawaii.rr.com> Ivica Ico Bukvic wrote: >> I think it boils down to vst plugin developers not having much interest >> in linux audio. Thats where the work needs to be done I think. > > Well, for them to have interest, there has to be a viable market, and > currently there isn't--we are too small and too involved in the free as in > free speech concepts (please do not get me wrong, I am totally for this kind > of an approach, I am simply trying to depict the reasoning behind this > apparent lack of interest). Hence, the only way they will ever consider our > market is if we find someone who is: > > 1) sympathetic > 2) willing to invest *little* time to recompile their work for Linux And Linux people who will pay for it. If the Linux product is free, their customers may start to say. "Hmmm, why am I paying for the Windows version when I can use the Lunix version for free???" -- David gnome@hawaii.rr.com authenticity, honesty, community From sevol at hemp.net Mon Nov 20 03:41:29 2006 From: sevol at hemp.net (sevol) Date: Mon Nov 20 03:25:52 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Presonus Firepod + Linux = ? ? ? (Peter Finnegan) In-Reply-To: <20061118224955.4E0E242B04E2@music.columbia.edu> References: <20061118224955.4E0E242B04E2@music.columbia.edu> Message-ID: <45616A39.7090006@hemp.net> First, Pete, thanks for the good news. Very nice to know. I had ran across several threads elsewhere that were variations on, "Just got a Firepod, when it's up & running with Linux I'll get back with a report." - then, things wnet silent, & I wondered. After what you wrote, I've had to do some reading. Distro choices. Somehow I'd missed the freeBob page on working setups & the Arch/Firepod entry. Arch looks speedy & interesting. From the opinions I read on setting it up though, I'm afraid most of me knows I don't have the kungfu for getting it operational, even if a little piece of me would like to try. But with my Linux skills nearly nonexistant, I'm going to stay off that path for now. My experience with Gentoo was short lived. I tried it in an old box about a year & a half ago. Even though it was reading from the install disc in the cdrom drive, Gentoo implied it couldn't find the drive, had a kernel panic or something, & gave up. Someone said they knew another person who'd run into the same install failure & recomended I go with an earlier release. The same thing. It didn't work either. Then, I gave up too. Perhaps I'll try Gentoo later - & the Pro-Audio Overlay makes it more attractive - but this minute I'm thinking FC 5 & Planet CCRMA. Is it indecent to hope there'll be time to simply work with the audio tools without an exorbidant amount of system tweaking at each step? Are you connecting other audio hardware via JACK with Fedora? A Midi controller of some sort? I have a Midiman 49 Key Station & would like to use it under Linux. With Demudi, nothing would aknowledge it's existence. Thanks, underwater From m.kostrzewa at pentacomp.com.pl Mon Nov 20 03:37:19 2006 From: m.kostrzewa at pentacomp.com.pl (Michal Kostrzewa) Date: Mon Nov 20 03:39:21 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Midi in Qjackctl In-Reply-To: <4560F0B2.2010401@kolumbus.fi> References: <4560F0B2.2010401@kolumbus.fi> Message-ID: <1164011839.30368.157.camel@pacsmain> > I have totally forgotten how I did manage to get midi work in Mandriva > 2006, and now I am using Mandriva 2007. Multimedia kernel with realtime > capabilities is installed, and audio's fine. But when I start qjackctl, > midi stays disabled. I got the very same problem after upgrading to mandriva 2007. I installed the new version of qjackctl from sources (0.2.21) and it improved the midi tab. best regards, Michal Kostrzewa From cesare at poeticstudios.com Mon Nov 20 04:49:26 2006 From: cesare at poeticstudios.com (Cesare Marilungo) Date: Mon Nov 20 03:50:24 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [ANN] jack_oscrolloscope 0.1 In-Reply-To: <200611200053.06585.dominic.sacre@gmx.de> References: <200611200053.06585.dominic.sacre@gmx.de> Message-ID: <45617A26.5040202@poeticstudios.com> Dominic Sacr? wrote: > After my search for a realtime waveform viewer a while ago didn't quite > yield the result I was looking for, I decided to write one myself. > > So here's the first release of jack_oscrolloscope (thanks Dave Robillard > for inventing the name): > > http://das.nasophon.de/jack_oscrolloscope/ > > I hope someone finds this useful. Feedback is appreciated, please let me > know if you encounter any problems. > > Cheers, > Dominic > > > Nice, clean and useful. Thanks! c. -- http://www.cesaremarilungo.com From yves at jazzcomputer.org Mon Nov 20 03:52:51 2006 From: yves at jazzcomputer.org (Yves Potin) Date: Mon Nov 20 03:53:16 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Global reverb setup In-Reply-To: <20061119155603.GB5455@charly.SWORD> References: <20061119140638.GA14104@localhost> <20061119155603.GB5455@charly.SWORD> Message-ID: <20061120085251.GB14104@localhost> Le 19 Nov ? 16:56, Thorsten Wilms ecrivait: > What makes you think so? Various tries on my own mixes show me that such a reverb is a real solution. But I must consider to get rid of the very little amount of compression that remains in my Jamin setup. Thanks for the answers that you, Fons and Folderol gave me :). Cheeers, Y. From paniq at paniq.org Mon Nov 20 04:16:54 2006 From: paniq at paniq.org (Leonard "paniq" Ritter) Date: Mon Nov 20 04:17:08 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: [ANN] Aldrin 0.6 (Raven) In-Reply-To: <200611191814.15556.d_baron@012.net.il> References: <20061118224955.BB48442B04E4@music.columbia.edu> <200611191814.15556.d_baron@012.net.il> Message-ID: <1164014214.10080.48.camel@localhost> that's not the problem. use 0.6.1, it was a stupid error that prevented it from working at all. :) On Sun, 2006-11-19 at 18:14 +0200, David Baron wrote: > On Sunday 19 November 2006 00:49, linux-audio-user-request@music.columbia.edu > wrote: > > Aldrin is an open source modular sequencer/tracker, designed to be 1:1 > > compatible to Jeskola Buzz. > > > > We're proud to announce the release of Aldrin 0.6 (Raven), featuring > > incremental saving, the Makk M4 Synth, ADSR envelopes, presets, various > > new shortcuts and the usual set of bugfixes. > > > > http://www.leonard-ritter.com/announcement_aldrin_0_6_raven > > Time to try yet another version. > > There seems to be a problem between python 2.4 and 2.5 (unsupported!!). Aldrin > wants 2.5 but only 2.4 finds the wxWidgets required. Using 2.4, in any event, > segfaults. -- -- Leonard Ritter -- http://www.leonard-ritter.com -- http://www.paniq.org From paniq at paniq.org Mon Nov 20 05:38:34 2006 From: paniq at paniq.org (Leonard "paniq" Ritter) Date: Mon Nov 20 05:39:09 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Help wanted for RTS game In-Reply-To: <878xi75fdl.fsf@esben-stien.name> References: <79eea87e0611181449i2712f7bfka1f6bd06a826662f@mail.gmail.com> <455FB378.3030707@gmail.com> <200611182038.42265.cucullin@wtfisthat.net> <1163900607.11645.6.camel@c213-100-20-9.swipnet.se> <455FB9A1.9040502@gmail.com> <1163903426.10080.25.camel@localhost> <878xi75fdl.fsf@esben-stien.name> Message-ID: <1164019114.5849.3.camel@localhost> crystalspace is not the best engine around... there is also ogre and a few others. i wrote one myself in python, which is usually fast enough. i also strongly object doing any game in c++, which i believe crystalspace is written in. it's simply not worth the effort. On Sun, 2006-11-19 at 21:51 +0100, Esben Stien wrote: > "Leonard \"paniq\" Ritter" writes: > > > the gpl is based to source code and focused on maintenance. it > > doesn't apply to content > > With CEL, using crystalspace, you can pretty much make a complete game > in XML. With a free content database of audio, 3d models, video, > textures, etc, there will pop up "games" everywhere. > > The word game limits creativity. We all be walking in 3d space some > day, in different environments, jumping from one environment to > another through portals, maybe with their own laws of physics;). This > is the future of the Internet. > > In these worlds, you may do shopping, checking out products, you may > play table tennis, water ski, walk the mountain, ride a bicycle, drive > a car, frag friends, etc. > > With free content databases and free software engines, you're pretty > much home free easily constructing new worlds for people to explore. > -- -- Leonard Ritter -- http://www.leonard-ritter.com -- http://www.paniq.org From paul at linuxaudiosystems.com Mon Nov 20 08:15:25 2006 From: paul at linuxaudiosystems.com (Paul Davis) Date: Mon Nov 20 08:15:58 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Midi in Qjackctl In-Reply-To: <1164011839.30368.157.camel@pacsmain> References: <4560F0B2.2010401@kolumbus.fi> <1164011839.30368.157.camel@pacsmain> Message-ID: <1164028525.2717.244.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Mon, 2006-11-20 at 09:37 +0100, Michal Kostrzewa wrote: > > I have totally forgotten how I did manage to get midi work in Mandriva > > 2006, and now I am using Mandriva 2007. Multimedia kernel with realtime > > capabilities is installed, and audio's fine. But when I start qjackctl, > > midi stays disabled. > > I got the very same problem after upgrading to mandriva 2007. I > installed the new version of qjackctl from sources (0.2.21) and it > improved the midi tab. more likely the original poster doesn't have the snd-seq kernel module loaded. lsmod is the diagnostic tool here. for some reason, lots of distros fail to load this module by default. From mista.tapas at gmx.net Mon Nov 20 08:28:29 2006 From: mista.tapas at gmx.net (Florian Schmidt) Date: Mon Nov 20 08:27:53 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [ANN] jack_oscrolloscope 0.1 In-Reply-To: <45617A26.5040202@poeticstudios.com> References: <200611200053.06585.dominic.sacre@gmx.de> <45617A26.5040202@poeticstudios.com> Message-ID: <200611201428.29671.mista.tapas@gmx.net> On Monday 20 November 2006 10:49, Cesare Marilungo wrote: > Dominic Sacr? wrote: > > After my search for a realtime waveform viewer a while ago didn't quite > > yield the result I was looking for, I decided to write one myself. > > > > So here's the first release of jack_oscrolloscope (thanks Dave Robillard > > for inventing the name): > > > > http://das.nasophon.de/jack_oscrolloscope/ > > > > I hope someone finds this useful. Feedback is appreciated, please let me > > know if you encounter any problems. > > > > Cheers, > > Dominic > > Nice, clean and useful. I second that comment > Thanks! An this one, too :) Flo -- Palimm Palimm! http://tapas.affenbande.org From perodog at gmx.net Mon Nov 20 08:38:58 2006 From: perodog at gmx.net (Dragan Noveski) Date: Mon Nov 20 08:39:17 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [ANN] jack_oscrolloscope 0.1 In-Reply-To: <200611201428.29671.mista.tapas@gmx.net> References: <200611200053.06585.dominic.sacre@gmx.de> <45617A26.5040202@poeticstudios.com> <200611201428.29671.mista.tapas@gmx.net> Message-ID: <4561AFF2.9090309@gmx.net> Florian Schmidt wrote: > On Monday 20 November 2006 10:49, Cesare Marilungo wrote: > >> Dominic Sacr? wrote: >> >>> After my search for a realtime waveform viewer a while ago didn't quite >>> yield the result I was looking for, I decided to write one myself. >>> >>> So here's the first release of jack_oscrolloscope (thanks Dave Robillard >>> for inventing the name): >>> >>> http://das.nasophon.de/jack_oscrolloscope/ >>> >>> I hope someone finds this useful. Feedback is appreciated, please let me >>> know if you encounter any problems. >>> >>> Cheers, >>> Dominic >>> >> Nice, clean and useful. >> > > I second that comment > > >> Thanks! >> > > An this one, too :) > > Flo > > the same here, just easy and great!!! doc From d_baron at 012.net.il Mon Nov 20 08:49:30 2006 From: d_baron at 012.net.il (David Baron) Date: Mon Nov 20 08:55:57 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] RE: [ANN] Aldrin 0.6 (Raven) In-Reply-To: <20061120001105.76AA5430B864@music.columbia.edu> References: <20061120001105.76AA5430B864@music.columbia.edu> Message-ID: <200611201549.30559.d_baron@012.net.il> On Monday 20 November 2006 02:11, linux-audio-user-request@music.columbia.edu wrote: > > > > Version 0.6.1 also segfaults. Since the program is written C++, the > > > > python version should not matter, huh? > > > > > > Works fine on my system. It must be a problem with your setup. > > > > > > Make sure you have the correct version of wxpython for your > > > python install.. > > > > > > (I am using python 2.4 and wxpython 2.6). > > > > There is no package for wxpython on Debian Sid. I have python-wxgtk2.6, > > python-wxtools and pthon=wxversion (all 2.6.3.2.1.5) installed. There is > > a libwxgtk2.4-python available but no installed. > > I'm on Debian sid too.. did you read the build instructions and > do: > > sudo apt-get install build-essential python2.4 python-wxgtk2.6 libsndfile1 > libsndfile1-dev scons ladspa-sdk python-ctypes libasound2-dev > libjack0.100.0-dev zlib1g zlib1g-dev libflac7 libflac-dev libportmidi0 > libportmidi-dev > > see: http://trac.zeitherrschaft.org/zzub/wiki/BuildAldrin Have all these things intalled. The configure step did not kick when using python2.4. From tdhoward at gmail.com Mon Nov 20 11:32:24 2006 From: tdhoward at gmail.com (Tim Howard) Date: Mon Nov 20 11:32:38 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] linux sapler bombs when adjusting note lengths in rosegarden In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 11/18/06, BJaY wrote: > Hi, > I was using the matrix editor in rosegarden to adjust note lengths in > rosegarden connected to linuxsampler and qsampler bomed out. I couln't > restart it though I couldn't see either qsampler or linuxsample in the > process table. Anyone had a similar experience ? Almost every time I start to trigger notes in the matrix editor in Rosegarden (latest stable version) with the output routed to LinuxSampler, the LS engine has a seg fault. I have no idea which program is at fault, though. From petespin at att.net Mon Nov 20 13:26:48 2006 From: petespin at att.net (Peter Finnegan) Date: Mon Nov 20 13:26:38 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Presonus Firepod + Linux = ? ? ? (Peter Finnegan) In-Reply-To: <45616A39.7090006@hemp.net> References: <20061118224955.4E0E242B04E2@music.columbia.edu> <45616A39.7090006@hemp.net> Message-ID: <1164047208.2742.18.camel@gracie> I ran FC5 planetCCRMA over the summer and it worked great. There isn't a lot of tweaking that you have to do. All you need to do is compile the latest jack, libfreebob, and qjackctl from source to get the firepod working. Make sure that you use the planetccrma-core kernel, rather than the planetccrma-core-edge kernel (full preeemption will lock up your machine with freebob). I have had good experience with MIDI and freebob. It's simple, fire up jack with freebob, and plug in your midiman into the inputs and your ready to go. I use the connects on qjackctl to connect everything. The only system tweaking I had to do was to get my wireless working and the 915resolution patch to get proper screen resolution on my laptop. PF On Mon, 2006-11-20 at 00:41 -0800, sevol wrote: > First, Pete, thanks for the good news. Very nice to know. I had ran > across several threads elsewhere that were variations on, "Just got a > Firepod, when it's up & running with Linux I'll get back with a report." > - then, things wnet silent, & I wondered. > > After what you wrote, I've had to do some reading. Distro choices. > Somehow I'd missed the freeBob page on working setups & the Arch/Firepod > entry. Arch looks speedy & interesting. From the opinions I read on > setting it up though, I'm afraid most of me knows I don't have the > kungfu for getting it operational, even if a little piece of me would > like to try. But with my Linux skills nearly nonexistant, I'm going to > stay off that path for now. > > My experience with Gentoo was short lived. I tried it in an old box > about a year & a half ago. Even though it was reading from the install > disc in the cdrom drive, Gentoo implied it couldn't find the drive, had > a kernel panic or something, & gave up. Someone said they knew another > person who'd run into the same install failure & recomended I go with an > earlier release. The same thing. It didn't work either. Then, I gave up too. > > Perhaps I'll try Gentoo later - & the Pro-Audio Overlay makes it more > attractive - but this minute I'm thinking FC 5 & Planet CCRMA. Is it > indecent to hope there'll be time to simply work with the audio tools > without an exorbidant amount of system tweaking at each step? Are you > connecting other audio hardware via JACK with Fedora? A Midi controller > of some sort? I have a Midiman 49 Key Station & would like to use it > under Linux. With Demudi, nothing would aknowledge it's existence. > > Thanks, > underwater > > From rncbc at rncbc.org Mon Nov 20 14:33:20 2006 From: rncbc at rncbc.org (Rui Nuno Capela) Date: Mon Nov 20 14:30:18 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Midi in Qjackctl In-Reply-To: <1164028525.2717.244.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <4560F0B2.2010401@kolumbus.fi> <1164011839.30368.157.camel@pacsmain> <1164028525.2717.244.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <45620300.1000205@rncbc.org> Paul Davis wrote: > On Mon, 2006-11-20 at 09:37 +0100, Michal Kostrzewa wrote: >>> I have totally forgotten how I did manage to get midi work in Mandriva >>> 2006, and now I am using Mandriva 2007. Multimedia kernel with realtime >>> capabilities is installed, and audio's fine. But when I start qjackctl, >>> midi stays disabled. >> I got the very same problem after upgrading to mandriva 2007. I >> installed the new version of qjackctl from sources (0.2.21) and it >> improved the midi tab. > > more likely the original poster doesn't have the snd-seq kernel module > loaded. lsmod is the diagnostic tool here. for some reason, lots of > distros fail to load this module by default. > nope. he said he explicitly loaded it. trouble is mandriva 2007's qjackctl package which seems to have been built without alsa support. -- rncbc aka Rui Nuno Capela rncbc@rncbc.org From nickmurtagh at gmail.com Mon Nov 20 15:18:08 2006 From: nickmurtagh at gmail.com (Nick Murtagh) Date: Mon Nov 20 15:20:46 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] HDSP + CardBus + Multiface In-Reply-To: <1163438288.2846.177.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <9768a1c60611121809v76c978cah8ffa9133dc222151@mail.gmail.com> <1163385043.2846.139.camel@localhost.localdomain> <9768a1c60611130902p66cfce6epe276a05b66e887e8@mail.gmail.com> <1163438288.2846.177.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <9768a1c60611201218j6f65af40pcd32d4c8ef42ff7b@mail.gmail.com> On 11/13/06, Paul Davis wrote: > you've probably got new firmware. the current ALSA drivers don't work > with new firmware. you have two choices: > > a) downgrade to older firmware (requires access to a windows system) Ok, so I've figured out that the cardbus adapter I have has version 15 firmware. Anyone know what version of the cardbus firmware works with the multiface firmware in alsa? RME don't have anything older on their site so I guess I'm going to need to contact their support... From Martin.Wohlleben at gmx.de Mon Nov 20 15:51:06 2006 From: Martin.Wohlleben at gmx.de (Martin Wohlleben) Date: Mon Nov 20 15:51:19 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] HDSP + CardBus + Multiface In-Reply-To: <9768a1c60611201218j6f65af40pcd32d4c8ef42ff7b@mail.gmail.com> References: <9768a1c60611121809v76c978cah8ffa9133dc222151@mail.gmail.com> <1163385043.2846.139.camel@localhost.localdomain> <9768a1c60611130902p66cfce6epe276a05b66e887e8@mail.gmail.com> <1163438288.2846.177.camel@localhost.localdomain> <9768a1c60611201218j6f65af40pcd32d4c8ef42ff7b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1164055866.7614.6.camel@localhost> Am Montag, den 20.11.2006, 20:18 +0000 schrieb Nick Murtagh: > On 11/13/06, Paul Davis wrote: > > you've probably got new firmware. the current ALSA drivers don't work > > with new firmware. you have two choices: > > > > a) downgrade to older firmware (requires access to a windows system) > > Ok, so I've figured out that the cardbus adapter I have has version 15 firmware. > > Anyone know what version of the cardbus firmware works with > the multiface firmware in alsa? > > RME don't have anything older on their site so I guess I'm going to > need to contact their support... Hi, I updated the firmware of my cardbus card 2 weeks ago (I think it was also to version 15) and everything is still working fine as before. I don't think it's a firmware problem. I'm using alsa-lib-1.0.13 and alsa-firmware-1.0.13 with Kernel 2.6.18-rt7. regards, Martin From christhemonkey at gmail.com Mon Nov 20 15:54:01 2006 From: christhemonkey at gmail.com (chris beagles) Date: Mon Nov 20 15:54:15 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Help wanted for RTS game In-Reply-To: <1164019114.5849.3.camel@localhost> References: <79eea87e0611181449i2712f7bfka1f6bd06a826662f@mail.gmail.com> <455FB378.3030707@gmail.com> <200611182038.42265.cucullin@wtfisthat.net> <1163900607.11645.6.camel@c213-100-20-9.swipnet.se> <455FB9A1.9040502@gmail.com> <1163903426.10080.25.camel@localhost> <878xi75fdl.fsf@esben-stien.name> <1164019114.5849.3.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <79eea87e0611201254l385da911id94492d8984c7889@mail.gmail.com> Ok just a quick update, for those who want to apply for the 0AD music idea; It seems that they are not requiring musicians at this time, i apologise for the mis-information. However a sister project of 0AD; "The Last Alliance", is definately looking for a music director/musicians. "The Last Alliance: The Last Alliance is a J.R.R. Tolkien fan project, a freeware, real-time strategy game dedicated to exploring computer gaming in Tolkien's mythical Arda." See here for how to apply: http://wildfiregames.com/tla/application.html See here for more information on "The Last Alliance": http://www.wildfiregames.com/tla/about.html Again, sorry for any confusion caused, Chris On 11/20/06, Leonard paniq Ritter wrote: > crystalspace is not the best engine around... there is also ogre and a > few others. i wrote one myself in python, which is usually fast enough. > > i also strongly object doing any game in c++, which i believe > crystalspace is written in. it's simply not worth the effort. > > On Sun, 2006-11-19 at 21:51 +0100, Esben Stien wrote: > > "Leonard \"paniq\" Ritter" writes: > > > > > the gpl is based to source code and focused on maintenance. it > > > doesn't apply to content > > > > With CEL, using crystalspace, you can pretty much make a complete game > > in XML. With a free content database of audio, 3d models, video, > > textures, etc, there will pop up "games" everywhere. > > > > The word game limits creativity. We all be walking in 3d space some > > day, in different environments, jumping from one environment to > > another through portals, maybe with their own laws of physics;). This > > is the future of the Internet. > > > > In these worlds, you may do shopping, checking out products, you may > > play table tennis, water ski, walk the mountain, ride a bicycle, drive > > a car, frag friends, etc. > > > > With free content databases and free software engines, you're pretty > > much home free easily constructing new worlds for people to explore. > > > -- > -- Leonard Ritter > -- http://www.leonard-ritter.com > -- http://www.paniq.org > > > From m.kostrzewa at pentacomp.com.pl Mon Nov 20 16:01:34 2006 From: m.kostrzewa at pentacomp.com.pl (Michal Kostrzewa) Date: Mon Nov 20 16:03:55 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Midi in Qjackctl In-Reply-To: <45620300.1000205@rncbc.org> References: <4560F0B2.2010401@kolumbus.fi> <1164011839.30368.157.camel@pacsmain> <1164028525.2717.244.camel@localhost.localdomain> <45620300.1000205@rncbc.org> Message-ID: <1164056494.30368.175.camel@pacsmain> Dnia 20-11-2006, pon o godzinie 19:33 +0000, Rui Nuno Capela napisa?(a): > Paul Davis wrote: > > On Mon, 2006-11-20 at 09:37 +0100, Michal Kostrzewa wrote: > >>> I have totally forgotten how I did manage to get midi work in Mandriva > >>> 2006, and now I am using Mandriva 2007. Multimedia kernel with realtime > >>> capabilities is installed, and audio's fine. But when I start qjackctl, > >>> midi stays disabled. > >> I got the very same problem after upgrading to mandriva 2007. I > >> installed the new version of qjackctl from sources (0.2.21) and it > >> improved the midi tab. > > > > more likely the original poster doesn't have the snd-seq kernel module > > loaded. lsmod is the diagnostic tool here. for some reason, lots of > > distros fail to load this module by default. > > > > nope. he said he explicitly loaded it. trouble is mandriva 2007's > qjackctl package which seems to have been built without alsa support. ... and I can confirm that the *only* thing I did and which helped was just to compile qjackctl from sources :) best regards, Michal Kostrzewa From b0ef at esben-stien.name Mon Nov 20 17:55:53 2006 From: b0ef at esben-stien.name (Esben Stien) Date: Mon Nov 20 16:08:33 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [ANN] jack_oscrolloscope 0.1 In-Reply-To: <200611200053.06585.dominic.sacre@gmx.de> (Dominic =?utf-8?q?Sacr=C3=A9's?= message of "Mon, 20 Nov 2006 00:53:06 +0100") References: <200611200053.06585.dominic.sacre@gmx.de> Message-ID: <87fycdn2x2.fsf@esben-stien.name> Dominic Sacr? writes: > jack_oscrolloscope Excellent;). Now we don't have to use freewheeling for this anymore;). -- Esben Stien is b0ef@e s a http://www. s t n m irc://irc. b - i . e/%23contact sip:b0ef@ e e jid:b0ef@ n n From esa.linna at kolumbus.fi Mon Nov 20 17:33:28 2006 From: esa.linna at kolumbus.fi (Esa Linna) Date: Mon Nov 20 17:32:30 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Midi in Qjackctl In-Reply-To: <1164056494.30368.175.camel@pacsmain> References: <4560F0B2.2010401@kolumbus.fi> <1164011839.30368.157.camel@pacsmain> <1164028525.2717.244.camel@localhost.localdomain> <45620300.1000205@rncbc.org> <1164056494.30368.175.camel@pacsmain> Message-ID: <45622D38.4060401@kolumbus.fi> Michal Kostrzewa kirjoitti: > Dnia 20-11-2006, pon o godzinie 19:33 +0000, Rui Nuno Capela napisa?(a): > >> Paul Davis wrote: >> >>> On Mon, 2006-11-20 at 09:37 +0100, Michal Kostrzewa wrote: >>> >>>>> I have totally forgotten how I did manage to get midi work in Mandriva >>>>> 2006, and now I am using Mandriva 2007. Multimedia kernel with realtime >>>>> capabilities is installed, and audio's fine. But when I start qjackctl, >>>>> midi stays disabled. >>>>> >>>> I got the very same problem after upgrading to mandriva 2007. I >>>> installed the new version of qjackctl from sources (0.2.21) and it >>>> improved the midi tab. >>>> >>> more likely the original poster doesn't have the snd-seq kernel module >>> loaded. lsmod is the diagnostic tool here. for some reason, lots of >>> distros fail to load this module by default. >>> >>> >> nope. he said he explicitly loaded it. trouble is mandriva 2007's >> qjackctl package which seems to have been built without alsa support. >> > > ... and I can confirm that the *only* thing I did and which helped was > just to compile qjackctl from sources :) > Michal, thanks! That did it. -- ----------------------- http://www.emvg.net/esa http://www.emvg.net ----------------------- From linuxuadio at rytmisk.net Mon Nov 20 22:16:28 2006 From: linuxuadio at rytmisk.net (Ketil Thorgersen) Date: Tue Nov 21 00:19:07 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [OT] kororaa report In-Reply-To: <39563.192.168.0.2.1163962727.squirrel@webmail.migratis.net> References: <39563.192.168.0.2.1163962727.squirrel@webmail.migratis.net> Message-ID: <45626F8C.6020804@rytmisk.net> Dubphil wrote: > Hello, > > as this is quite a gentoo specific post, I have marked it as off topic, > but it should be interesting for others. > > So I have tried the kororaa installation. The install on itself is very > easy, it looks like a debian install and it tooks less than 1 hour to have > a fully functionnal but outdated Gentoo system. > > Alsaconf is used to detect the audio hardware, so my USB cards was not > detected :( > > The kernel provided is quite old : 2.6.14 > > The install is using prebuild packages, but updating a package switch > emerge to use the compilation way. > > After the installation, we have an outdated system, and here begin a > nightmare that would totally disgusting any newcommers to the Gentoo > system. The kororaa mainteners have masked or unmasked tons of packages, > so the emerge world needs a lot of masking and unmasking work to be > launched properly. In short, the upgrade process is directly broken. > > So to conclude, I would advise newcommers to Gentoo to use the > traditionnal way of installing gentoo even if it takes 1 day and needs to > use the command line. > Ah - well a pity, but not unexpected though... Thanks! Ketil From nickmurtagh at gmail.com Tue Nov 21 04:25:06 2006 From: nickmurtagh at gmail.com (Nick Murtagh) Date: Tue Nov 21 04:25:14 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] HDSP + CardBus + Multiface In-Reply-To: <1164055866.7614.6.camel@localhost> References: <9768a1c60611121809v76c978cah8ffa9133dc222151@mail.gmail.com> <1163385043.2846.139.camel@localhost.localdomain> <9768a1c60611130902p66cfce6epe276a05b66e887e8@mail.gmail.com> <1163438288.2846.177.camel@localhost.localdomain> <9768a1c60611201218j6f65af40pcd32d4c8ef42ff7b@mail.gmail.com> <1164055866.7614.6.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <9768a1c60611210125g2d95ff7cu7d58425525e7570a@mail.gmail.com> On 11/20/06, Martin Wohlleben wrote: > I updated the firmware of my cardbus card 2 weeks ago (I think it was > also to version 15) and everything is still working fine as before. I > don't think it's a firmware problem. I'm using alsa-lib-1.0.13 and > alsa-firmware-1.0.13 with Kernel 2.6.18-rt7. Interesting, what IO box are you using? I have a multiface, it's a few years old. I'm wondering if this is the problem. It doesn't see to work in windows either :( From finnendahl at folkwang-hochschule.de Tue Nov 21 04:52:23 2006 From: finnendahl at folkwang-hochschule.de (Orm Finnendahl) Date: Tue Nov 21 04:53:04 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] HDSP + CardBus + Multiface In-Reply-To: <9768a1c60611210125g2d95ff7cu7d58425525e7570a@mail.gmail.com> References: <9768a1c60611121809v76c978cah8ffa9133dc222151@mail.gmail.com> <1163385043.2846.139.camel@localhost.localdomain> <9768a1c60611130902p66cfce6epe276a05b66e887e8@mail.gmail.com> <1163438288.2846.177.camel@localhost.localdomain> <9768a1c60611201218j6f65af40pcd32d4c8ef42ff7b@mail.gmail.com> <1164055866.7614.6.camel@localhost> <9768a1c60611210125g2d95ff7cu7d58425525e7570a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20061121095223.GR17254@grisey> Hi, 3 weeks ago I tested all combinations: old PCMCIA, old Multiface, recent PCMICA, Multiface II. It worked in all 4 possible combinations of PCMCIA and breakout box. My system is Ubuntu dapper (2.6.15-27 kernel with libasound2 1.0.10-2ubuntu). My old PCMCIA reports "rev 0a", don't know the firmware on the newer PCMCIA which I checked (it was also used and probably has an older firmware) but I can find out if anyone is interested. Last year I couldn't get the new PCMCIA to work with my old Multiface at all, therefore I bought an old PCMCIA card. Please keep me informed as I just ordered a new Multiface II with PCMCIA. I can report back to the list when it arrives. I hope it works! -- Orm Am 21. November 2006, 09:25 Uhr (+0000) schrieb Nick Murtagh: > On 11/20/06, Martin Wohlleben wrote: > >I updated the firmware of my cardbus card 2 weeks ago (I think it was > >also to version 15) and everything is still working fine as before. I > >don't think it's a firmware problem. I'm using alsa-lib-1.0.13 and > >alsa-firmware-1.0.13 with Kernel 2.6.18-rt7. > > Interesting, what IO box are you using? I have a multiface, it's a few > years old. I'm wondering if this is the problem. It doesn't see to > work in windows either :( From fons.adriaensen at skynet.be Tue Nov 21 12:50:22 2006 From: fons.adriaensen at skynet.be (Fons Adriaensen) Date: Tue Nov 21 12:48:21 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [ANN] jack_oscrolloscope 0.1 In-Reply-To: <200611200053.06585.dominic.sacre@gmx.de> References: <200611200053.06585.dominic.sacre@gmx.de> Message-ID: <20061121175022.GA5922@linux-1.site> On Mon, Nov 20, 2006 at 12:53:06AM +0100, Dominic Sacr? wrote: > http://das.nasophon.de/jack_oscrolloscope/ > I hope someone finds this useful. Feedback is appreciated Nice ! > please let me know if you encounter any problems. It comsumes a lot of CPU if you use many channels. On my 2 Ghz P4, 16 channels take 94%. Almost all of this is taken by X11, which indicates that there's something strange. -- FA Lascia la spina, cogli la rosa. From dominic.sacre at gmx.de Tue Nov 21 15:01:53 2006 From: dominic.sacre at gmx.de (Dominic =?iso-8859-1?q?Sacr=E9?=) Date: Tue Nov 21 15:07:30 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [ANN] jack_oscrolloscope 0.1 In-Reply-To: <20061121175022.GA5922@linux-1.site> References: <200611200053.06585.dominic.sacre@gmx.de> <20061121175022.GA5922@linux-1.site> Message-ID: <200611212101.53145.dominic.sacre@gmx.de> On Tuesday 21 November 2006 18:50, Fons Adriaensen wrote: > It comsumes a lot of CPU if you use many channels. > On my 2 Ghz P4, 16 channels take 94%. Almost all of this > is taken by X11, which indicates that there's something > strange. I assume you're using SDL. If you can, try OpenGL, that should take most of the work off the CPU. Apart from that... well, redrawing the entire window, 50 times a second by default, is expensive (although I'm sure there's a lot of room for optimization). Depending on what you're trying to do, a lower frame rate might suffice, and reduce the CPU load significantly. Another thing you could try is to change both occurences of SDL_HWSURFACE in video.h to SDL_SWSURFACE. Does it make any difference? On my machine it doesn't, so I wasn't sure what to use. Also note that currently, even in non-scrolling mode, jack_oscrolloscope redraws the whole window on every frame, because was easier to implement. Changing that is somewhere on my todo list :) Dominic From zettberlin at linuxuse.de Tue Nov 21 15:20:03 2006 From: zettberlin at linuxuse.de (Hartmut Noack) Date: Tue Nov 21 15:20:37 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [ANN] jack_oscrolloscope 0.1 In-Reply-To: <200611200053.06585.dominic.sacre@gmx.de> References: <200611200053.06585.dominic.sacre@gmx.de> Message-ID: <45635F73.207@linuxuse.de> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 nice piece, not a must-have but quite useful and works perfectly well for me thank you :-) Dominic Sacr? schrieb: > After my search for a realtime waveform viewer a while ago didn't quite > yield the result I was looking for, I decided to write one myself. > > So here's the first release of jack_oscrolloscope (thanks Dave Robillard > for inventing the name): > > http://das.nasophon.de/jack_oscrolloscope/ > > I hope someone finds this useful. Feedback is appreciated, please let me > know if you encounter any problems. > > Cheers, > Dominic > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.3 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFFY19z1Aecwva1SWMRAneEAJwKkMOSYG0qbHcSmBaExqLOp+psWgCfX/pu +r/fvMV/b6AkfUO/42RC6f4= =1i58 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From fons.adriaensen at skynet.be Tue Nov 21 15:42:07 2006 From: fons.adriaensen at skynet.be (Fons Adriaensen) Date: Tue Nov 21 15:39:31 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [ANN] jack_oscrolloscope 0.1 In-Reply-To: <200611212101.53145.dominic.sacre@gmx.de> References: <200611200053.06585.dominic.sacre@gmx.de> <20061121175022.GA5922@linux-1.site> <200611212101.53145.dominic.sacre@gmx.de> Message-ID: <20061121204207.GA14523@linux-1.site> On Tue, Nov 21, 2006 at 09:01:53PM +0100, Dominic Sacr? wrote: > On Tuesday 21 November 2006 18:50, Fons Adriaensen wrote: > > > It comsumes a lot of CPU if you use many channels. > > On my 2 Ghz P4, 16 channels take 94%. Almost all of this > > is taken by X11, which indicates that there's something > > strange. > > I assume you're using SDL. If you can, try OpenGL, that should take most > of the work off the CPU. Rather the opposite, see below. > Another thing you could try is to change both occurences of SDL_HWSURFACE > in video.h to SDL_SWSURFACE. Does it make any difference? On my machine > it doesn't, so I wasn't sure what to use. It does help a bit, but not with -g: | -g --------------------- HW | 33% 94% SW | 22% 93% > Also note that currently, even in non-scrolling mode, jack_oscrolloscope > redraws the whole window on every frame, because was easier to implement. > Changing that is somewhere on my todo list :) Probably something you should do. I've got an almost identical app (Yass - not yet released). With 100 updates per second, 32 channels, and the maximum scrolling speed it takes less than 1% of available CPU. So it's definitely not X11 taking all the time. -- FA Lascia la spina, cogli la rosa. From Martin.Wohlleben at gmx.de Tue Nov 21 15:49:48 2006 From: Martin.Wohlleben at gmx.de (Martin Wohlleben) Date: Tue Nov 21 15:50:03 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] HDSP + CardBus + Multiface In-Reply-To: <9768a1c60611210125g2d95ff7cu7d58425525e7570a@mail.gmail.com> References: <9768a1c60611121809v76c978cah8ffa9133dc222151@mail.gmail.com> <1163385043.2846.139.camel@localhost.localdomain> <9768a1c60611130902p66cfce6epe276a05b66e887e8@mail.gmail.com> <1163438288.2846.177.camel@localhost.localdomain> <9768a1c60611201218j6f65af40pcd32d4c8ef42ff7b@mail.gmail.com> <1164055866.7614.6.camel@localhost> <9768a1c60611210125g2d95ff7cu7d58425525e7570a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1164142189.8022.17.camel@localhost> Am Dienstag, den 21.11.2006, 09:25 +0000 schrieb Nick Murtagh: > On 11/20/06, Martin Wohlleben wrote: > > I updated the firmware of my cardbus card 2 weeks ago (I think it was > > also to version 15) and everything is still working fine as before. I > > don't think it's a firmware problem. I'm using alsa-lib-1.0.13 and > > alsa-firmware-1.0.13 with Kernel 2.6.18-rt7. > > Interesting, what IO box are you using? I have a multiface, it's a few > years old. I'm wondering if this is the problem. It doesn't see to > work in windows either :( It's a Multiface (not Multiface 2). I bought it 2 years ago as package togther with the old cardbus-card and had to buy a new laptop to get it running under Linux (had an Fujitsu-Siemens Amilo with a crappy cardbus-controller). But since then it's running fine. That your card isn't running under Windows is rather strange because RME was known for their good hdsp drivers and for me it worked under Windows even with the crappy laptop. Since the problem occurs also under Windows the support should be able to help you. Best regards Martin From dominic.sacre at gmx.de Tue Nov 21 18:37:16 2006 From: dominic.sacre at gmx.de (Dominic =?iso-8859-1?q?Sacr=E9?=) Date: Tue Nov 21 18:42:16 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [ANN] jack_oscrolloscope 0.1 In-Reply-To: <20061121204207.GA14523@linux-1.site> References: <200611200053.06585.dominic.sacre@gmx.de> <200611212101.53145.dominic.sacre@gmx.de> <20061121204207.GA14523@linux-1.site> Message-ID: <200611220037.16658.dominic.sacre@gmx.de> On Tuesday 21 November 2006 21:42, Fons Adriaensen wrote: > > I assume you're using SDL. If you can, try OpenGL, that should take > > most of the work off the CPU. > > Rather the opposite, see below. > > > Another thing you could try is to change both occurences of > > SDL_HWSURFACE in video.h to SDL_SWSURFACE. Does it make any > > difference? On my machine it doesn't, so I wasn't sure what to use. > > It does help a bit, but not with -g: > | -g > --------------------- > HW | 33% 94% > SW | 22% 93% Well, this flag is not used in GL mode, so it's no surprise that it has no effect there. But it looks like I should be using software surfaces in SDL mode. Do you have hardware accelerated OpenGL at all? Software emulated GL can be dog slow (much slower than SDL), that's the main reason why I added SDL support in the first place. For comparison, on my machine, with 12 tracks, fullscreen 1280x960, I'm getting about 30% CPU load using OpenGL. That's with an Athlon XP 3000+ and a cheap, 4 year old, passively cooled Nvidia card. > I've got an almost identical app > (Yass - not yet released). With 100 updates per second, 32 channels, > and the maximum scrolling speed it takes less than 1% of available CPU. > So it's definitely not X11 taking all the time. Wow, 1%?! Is that using plain X11? Sounds almost too good to be true. I think it goes without saying that I'd be interested in seeing your code ;) Dominic From nickmurtagh at gmail.com Tue Nov 21 18:43:42 2006 From: nickmurtagh at gmail.com (Nick Murtagh) Date: Tue Nov 21 18:43:51 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] HDSP + CardBus + Multiface In-Reply-To: <1164142189.8022.17.camel@localhost> References: <9768a1c60611121809v76c978cah8ffa9133dc222151@mail.gmail.com> <1163385043.2846.139.camel@localhost.localdomain> <9768a1c60611130902p66cfce6epe276a05b66e887e8@mail.gmail.com> <1163438288.2846.177.camel@localhost.localdomain> <9768a1c60611201218j6f65af40pcd32d4c8ef42ff7b@mail.gmail.com> <1164055866.7614.6.camel@localhost> <9768a1c60611210125g2d95ff7cu7d58425525e7570a@mail.gmail.com> <1164142189.8022.17.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <9768a1c60611211543k4fb43634h4f7e9fd5c01426a@mail.gmail.com> On 11/21/06, Martin Wohlleben wrote: > That your card isn't running under Windows is rather strange because RME > was known for their good hdsp drivers and for me it worked under Windows > even with the crappy laptop. > Since the problem occurs also under Windows the support should be able > to help you. I downgraded to firmware 11 and the card now works in Windows! I can play a wav file with sound recorder at any rate. hdspmixer looks a bit broken (all the OVRs are on) but I'm not too worried about that... now to reinstall Ubuntu :) Thanks to all the people who've replied in this thread, looks like the end is in sight :) From reuben.m at gmail.com Tue Nov 21 20:37:19 2006 From: reuben.m at gmail.com (Reuben Martin) Date: Tue Nov 21 20:37:27 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [ANN] jack_oscrolloscope 0.1 In-Reply-To: <200611220037.16658.dominic.sacre@gmx.de> References: <200611200053.06585.dominic.sacre@gmx.de> <200611212101.53145.dominic.sacre@gmx.de> <20061121204207.GA14523@linux-1.site> <200611220037.16658.dominic.sacre@gmx.de> Message-ID: On 11/21/06, Dominic Sacr? wrote: > On Tuesday 21 November 2006 21:42, Fons Adriaensen wrote: > > > I assume you're using SDL. If you can, try OpenGL, that should take > > > most of the work off the CPU. > > > > Rather the opposite, see below. > > > > > Another thing you could try is to change both occurences of > > > SDL_HWSURFACE in video.h to SDL_SWSURFACE. Does it make any > > > difference? On my machine it doesn't, so I wasn't sure what to use. > > > > It does help a bit, but not with -g: > > | -g > > --------------------- > > HW | 33% 94% > > SW | 22% 93% > > Well, this flag is not used in GL mode, so it's no surprise that it has no > effect there. But it looks like I should be using software surfaces in > SDL mode. > > Do you have hardware accelerated OpenGL at all? Software emulated GL can > be dog slow (much slower than SDL), that's the main reason why I added > SDL support in the first place. > For comparison, on my machine, with 12 tracks, fullscreen 1280x960, I'm > getting about 30% CPU load using OpenGL. That's with an Athlon XP 3000+ > and a cheap, 4 year old, passively cooled Nvidia card. I've a similar Athlon/nvidia setup. If I use OpenGL as root with -f 0 then all is well. If I use the -f 0 as a normal user my CPU goes to 100%. Just using -g by itself doesn't cause the CPU to race, but it can easily lock things up. (The keyboard locks up, the display freezes, but the mouse still works) SDL mode is more stable and doesn't seem to use the CPU any more than the OpenGL mode. > > > I've got an almost identical app > > (Yass - not yet released). With 100 updates per second, 32 channels, > > and the maximum scrolling speed it takes less than 1% of available CPU. > > So it's definitely not X11 taking all the time. > > Wow, 1%?! Is that using plain X11? Sounds almost too good to be true. > I think it goes without saying that I'd be interested in seeing your > code ;) > > Dominic > From dominic.sacre at gmx.de Wed Nov 22 05:26:13 2006 From: dominic.sacre at gmx.de (Dominic =?iso-8859-1?q?Sacr=E9?=) Date: Wed Nov 22 05:27:40 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [ANN] jack_oscrolloscope 0.1 In-Reply-To: References: <200611200053.06585.dominic.sacre@gmx.de> <200611220037.16658.dominic.sacre@gmx.de> Message-ID: <200611221126.13620.dominic.sacre@gmx.de> On Wednesday 22 November 2006 02:37, Reuben Martin wrote: > I've a similar Athlon/nvidia setup. If I use OpenGL as root with -f 0 > then all is well. If I use the -f 0 as a normal user my CPU goes to > 100%. Huh... This is weird. Does vsync work for other programs? try this as a normal user: __GL_SYNC_TO_VBLANK=1 glxgears -printfps It should print exactly the vertical refresh rate of your monitor. If it doesn't, there's probably something wrong with your driver setup. > Just using -g by itself doesn't cause the CPU to race, but it > can easily lock things up. (The keyboard locks up, the display > freezes, but the mouse still works) SDL mode is more stable and > doesn't seem to use the CPU any more than the OpenGL mode. I don't mean to shift the blame on others ;) But this sounds a lot like a buggy driver. I too have seen one or two complete lockups while resizing the jack_oscrolloscope window. I guess that's what you get for using a binary driver on a -rt kernel it wasn't made for... Dominic From fons.adriaensen at skynet.be Wed Nov 22 07:05:16 2006 From: fons.adriaensen at skynet.be (Fons Adriaensen) Date: Wed Nov 22 07:02:51 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [ANN] jack_oscrolloscope 0.1 In-Reply-To: <200611220037.16658.dominic.sacre@gmx.de> References: <200611200053.06585.dominic.sacre@gmx.de> <200611212101.53145.dominic.sacre@gmx.de> <20061121204207.GA14523@linux-1.site> <200611220037.16658.dominic.sacre@gmx.de> Message-ID: <20061122120516.GB5941@linux-1.site> On Wed, Nov 22, 2006 at 12:37:16AM +0100, Dominic Sacr? wrote: > Wow, 1%?! Is that using plain X11? Sounds almost too good to be true. > I think it goes without saying that I'd be interested in seeing your > code ;) I'll probably release this one of these days. It needs some cleaning up and mimimal packaging and documentation. It uses libclxclient which for drawing is just a very thin C++ layer on top of X11. The main X11 call used are: XCopyArea() scroll XFillRectange() clear the new part XDrawSegments() plot the new lines Update speed is fixed at Fsample / 480 (for Fsample <= 48 kHz), modified slightly by a DLL to adapt to the actual sample rate. -- FA Lascia la spina, cogli la rosa. From jesse at essej.net Wed Nov 22 10:36:02 2006 From: jesse at essej.net (Jesse Chappell) Date: Wed Nov 22 10:40:25 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [ANN] jack_oscrolloscope 0.1 In-Reply-To: <20061122120516.GB5941@linux-1.site> References: <200611200053.06585.dominic.sacre@gmx.de> <200611212101.53145.dominic.sacre@gmx.de> <20061121204207.GA14523@linux-1.site> <200611220037.16658.dominic.sacre@gmx.de> <20061122120516.GB5941@linux-1.site> Message-ID: On 11/22/06, Fons Adriaensen wrote: > On Wed, Nov 22, 2006 at 12:37:16AM +0100, Dominic Sacr? wrote: > > > Wow, 1%?! Is that using plain X11? Sounds almost too good to be true. > > I think it goes without saying that I'd be interested in seeing your > > code ;) > The main X11 call used are: > > XCopyArea() scroll > XFillRectange() clear the new part > XDrawSegments() plot the new lines Yes, the key to fast (efficient) scrolling is to use a pixel copying routine (glCopyPixels is the GL equivalent) then draw only the new data. The copying routines are hardware accelerated by the display driver. The downside is that it is difficult to overlay drawing into this area that you don't want scrolled, which might be why freewheeling doesn't use the technique (I'm just guessing). jlc From fons.adriaensen at skynet.be Wed Nov 22 11:23:40 2006 From: fons.adriaensen at skynet.be (Fons Adriaensen) Date: Wed Nov 22 11:21:13 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [ANN] jack_oscrolloscope 0.1 In-Reply-To: References: <200611200053.06585.dominic.sacre@gmx.de> <200611212101.53145.dominic.sacre@gmx.de> <20061121204207.GA14523@linux-1.site> <200611220037.16658.dominic.sacre@gmx.de> <20061122120516.GB5941@linux-1.site> Message-ID: <20061122162340.GD5941@linux-1.site> On Wed, Nov 22, 2006 at 10:36:02AM -0500, Jesse Chappell wrote: > ... The downside is that it is difficult to overlay drawing into > this area that you don't want scrolled, which might be why > freewheeling doesn't use the technique (I'm just guessing). They trick here is to use a pixmap as window background for the scrolling content (which is what Yass does anyway, as otherwise you must be prepared to update any part at any time), and draw the non-moving part over it directly to the screen. The latter must then be redrawn on demand of course. -- FA Lascia la spina, cogli la rosa. From jesse at essej.net Wed Nov 22 11:32:44 2006 From: jesse at essej.net (Jesse Chappell) Date: Wed Nov 22 11:33:57 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [ANN] jack_oscrolloscope 0.1 In-Reply-To: <20061122162340.GD5941@linux-1.site> References: <200611200053.06585.dominic.sacre@gmx.de> <200611212101.53145.dominic.sacre@gmx.de> <20061121204207.GA14523@linux-1.site> <200611220037.16658.dominic.sacre@gmx.de> <20061122120516.GB5941@linux-1.site> <20061122162340.GD5941@linux-1.site> Message-ID: On 11/22/06, Fons Adriaensen wrote: > On Wed, Nov 22, 2006 at 10:36:02AM -0500, Jesse Chappell wrote: > > > ... The downside is that it is difficult to overlay drawing into > > this area that you don't want scrolled, which might be why > > freewheeling doesn't use the technique (I'm just guessing). > > They trick here is to use a pixmap as window background for > the scrolling content (which is what Yass does anyway, as > otherwise you must be prepared to update any part at any time), > and draw the non-moving part over it directly to the screen. > The latter must then be redrawn on demand of course. Oops, you're right, I even do this in FreqTweak :) jlc From riwright at vt.edu Wed Nov 22 11:59:48 2006 From: riwright at vt.edu (Rick Wright) Date: Wed Nov 22 12:00:00 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] RAW to [other format] audio coverter questions In-Reply-To: References: <200611200053.06585.dominic.sacre@gmx.de> <200611212101.53145.dominic.sacre@gmx.de> <20061121204207.GA14523@linux-1.site> <200611220037.16658.dominic.sacre@gmx.de> <20061122120516.GB5941@linux-1.site> <20061122162340.GD5941@linux-1.site> Message-ID: <45648204.1010003@vt.edu> Hi List, I'm currently trying to convert raw audio data from 64bit float (ieee double precision) Big Endian to other formats (i.e. WAV, OGG, etc.) for output using some linux audio player. The problem I'm running into is that when importing this data into various programs (see below), the audio clips outside of +/- magnitude=1. I don't understand why this is and, more importantly, how to avoid/workaround this limitation. So far I've tried and been able to successfully import the data in SoX, Audacity, Rezound. For each of these programs, I've simply had to specify RAW format, 64bit float, sample rate, # channels, Big Endian. Using sox, I've successfully resampled, written other RAW files, written WAV files....no problem. When the original raw audio file contains data that is constrained within +/- 1 magnitude scale (i.e. 0.5 peak magnitude sine wave w/no DC offset), there is no problem. Questions: 1) is there something fundamentally incompatible with my original data and "standard" audio data wrt range of values? 2) is the reason I'm seeing all of these programs clip my data at +/- 1 amplitude because they all use libraries with this limitation? What I really want is a simple way to convert data from my original format to other "playable" formats. SoX seems perfect if not for the clipping issue. Though, I'd appreciate advice on other suitable applications. Any/All help greatly appreciated! Rick From paul at linuxaudiosystems.com Wed Nov 22 12:05:44 2006 From: paul at linuxaudiosystems.com (Paul Davis) Date: Wed Nov 22 12:06:03 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] RAW to [other format] audio coverter questions In-Reply-To: <45648204.1010003@vt.edu> References: <200611200053.06585.dominic.sacre@gmx.de> <200611212101.53145.dominic.sacre@gmx.de> <20061121204207.GA14523@linux-1.site> <200611220037.16658.dominic.sacre@gmx.de> <20061122120516.GB5941@linux-1.site> <20061122162340.GD5941@linux-1.site> <45648204.1010003@vt.edu> Message-ID: <1164215144.2717.413.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Wed, 2006-11-22 at 11:59 -0500, Rick Wright wrote: > Hi List, > > I'm currently trying to convert raw audio data from 64bit float (ieee > double precision) Big Endian to other formats (i.e. WAV, OGG, etc.) for > output using some linux audio player. The problem I'm running into is > that when importing this data into various programs (see below), the > audio clips outside of +/- magnitude=1. I don't understand why this is > and, more importantly, how to avoid/workaround this limitation. it is a widely adopted convention that any floating point format normalizes the sample data to a -1.0 .. +1.0 range. doing so loses no precision or resolution or dynamic range. this applies to 32 bit and 80 bit float (there is no 64 bit floating point format, no matter what various windows audio s/w makers may claim in their advertising). if you violate this convention, you will get the results you are seeing. --p From paniq at paniq.org Wed Nov 22 12:56:54 2006 From: paniq at paniq.org (Leonard "paniq" Ritter) Date: Wed Nov 22 12:57:09 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] RAW to [other format] audio coverter questions In-Reply-To: <1164215144.2717.413.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <200611200053.06585.dominic.sacre@gmx.de> <200611212101.53145.dominic.sacre@gmx.de> <20061121204207.GA14523@linux-1.site> <200611220037.16658.dominic.sacre@gmx.de> <20061122120516.GB5941@linux-1.site> <20061122162340.GD5941@linux-1.site> <45648204.1010003@vt.edu> <1164215144.2717.413.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1164218214.5641.22.camel@localhost> paul, we recently ported the buzzhost to linux ( = aldrin). a default convention in this program is to mix into float buffers in the -32768 to 32767 range. only recently we changed all the code to keep to -1 .. 1. it has been claimed numerous times that buzz' sound quality was worse than what you are used to. i couldn't hear that and i blame it on lack of talent and mastering skills on the artists side, but i'm still curious whether an implementation such as above can significantly impact on the dynamic quality of digital music. what do you say? On Wed, 2006-11-22 at 12:05 -0500, Paul Davis wrote: > On Wed, 2006-11-22 at 11:59 -0500, Rick Wright wrote: > > Hi List, > > > > I'm currently trying to convert raw audio data from 64bit float (ieee > > double precision) Big Endian to other formats (i.e. WAV, OGG, etc.) for > > output using some linux audio player. The problem I'm running into is > > that when importing this data into various programs (see below), the > > audio clips outside of +/- magnitude=1. I don't understand why this is > > and, more importantly, how to avoid/workaround this limitation. > > it is a widely adopted convention that any floating point format > normalizes the sample data to a -1.0 .. +1.0 range. doing so loses no > precision or resolution or dynamic range. this applies to 32 bit and 80 > bit float (there is no 64 bit floating point format, no matter what > various windows audio s/w makers may claim in their advertising). > > if you violate this convention, you will get the results you are seeing. > > --p > > -- -- Leonard Ritter -- http://www.leonard-ritter.com -- http://www.paniq.org From swirlee at stickist.com Wed Nov 22 14:32:30 2006 From: swirlee at stickist.com (JP Mercury) Date: Wed Nov 22 14:34:27 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] ANN: FreeWheeling 0.5.3 Released - now crossplatform! - Mac OS X / Linux Message-ID: <4564A5CE.6020209@stickist.com> Folks, http://freewheeling.sourceforge.net/ I am pleased to present FreeWheeling 0.5.3. This is a new release with significant new features, and it has been ported to Mac OSX. FreeWheeling now runs under PC Linux as well as PPC and Intel Macs, all with the same fluid interface. I have begun to work with developers to help guide FreeWheeling's evolution. There are fantastic possibilities and many stones that remain unturned. Help is needed, in any form you can give. Where is FreeWheeling going? I see it becoming a tool for communities working with improv, for solo artists to flesh out material, and for performance. I hope that, with a new community of Mac users, these possibilities will become more real. List of Changes ------------------------- 2006-11-21 v0.5.3 Many thanks to Danni Coy, who has contributed very significantly to this release. Actually, he did most of the work! New Features ------------ * MAC OS X support FreeWheeling is now cross-platform. A universal binary is now available for both Intel & PPC Mac platforms. * Multiple Audio Formats (Contributed by Danni- Thank You!) Save and load loops and live streams in OGG, WAVE, AU, and FLAC. * OGG encoding quality setting in configuration * More flexible MIDI control of external synths. - Combination patches allow you to split one MIDI controller into a range of zones. This allows you to control several different sounds or softsynths from one MIDI control source. A combipatch defines the zones, as well as the output MIDI port and channel that each zone sends to. You can also send MIDI program and bank change messages for each zone, allowing you to switch programs on external synths. All of this functionality is integrated into the patch browser, so you can seamlessly control other synth apps and sound modules from within FreeWheeling. See 'examples/combipatchdemo.xml' for an example configuration. - Added 'suppressprogramchanges' option for patch banks With suppressprogramchanges=1, no MIDI bank and program change messages are sent when patches are changed within a patch bank. This is useful when you have a softsynth loaded with patches on different channels and you merely want to switch channels- each patch is mapped to a different channel, but you don't want program change messages being sent to mess up your patches. Use this for banks of Linuxsampler channels. - Added 'separatechannels' option for patch banks With separatechannels=0, patches mapped to different channels appear in the same patch bank. With this option, you can have a collection of several patches on different channels that appear together in one list for browsing. This is useful for sampling synths where your patches are pre-loaded onto channels. With separatechannels=1, the old behavior is used. The old behavior splits each channel into a separate bank. This works well for DSSI softsynths, where many synths run on the same port, but each channel accesses a different synth and different set of patches. Fixes ----- * MIDI thread now runs at high priority FIFO, rather than low priority FIFO-- this may improve MIDI performance, and hopefully will not affect stability. * Fixed configuration bug that broke 'CTRL+click' loop renaming. All the Best, and Happy FreeWheeling, -JP Mercury From kouhia at nic.funet.fi Wed Nov 22 14:39:54 2006 From: kouhia at nic.funet.fi (Juhana Sadeharju) Date: Wed Nov 22 14:40:06 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: baudline source code (GPL?) Message-ID: >From: Thomas Vecchione > >Basically they should >change the wording on their site to state that it is not under GPL >currently. But perhaps they have this "GPL" because they used GPL code in their software. Does anyone have their binary and could check what GPL software they use? Do they have demo? Blender was totally different case. Blender was not GPL like Baudline's software. People purchased the Blender code and then switched to GPL. Juhana -- http://music.columbia.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-graphics-dev for developers of open source graphics software From paniq at paniq.org Wed Nov 22 15:41:28 2006 From: paniq at paniq.org (Leonard "paniq" Ritter) Date: Wed Nov 22 15:41:39 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] ANN: FreeWheeling 0.5.3 Released - now crossplatform! - Mac OS X / Linux In-Reply-To: <4564A5CE.6020209@stickist.com> References: <4564A5CE.6020209@stickist.com> Message-ID: <1164228088.5641.28.camel@localhost> jp, saw your work quite early on when i started working on mjoo, it is an interesting idea... care to put up some videos on e.g. youtube to help people understand what it's all about? On Wed, 2006-11-22 at 11:32 -0800, JP Mercury wrote: > Folks, > > http://freewheeling.sourceforge.net/ > > I am pleased to present FreeWheeling 0.5.3. This is a new release with > significant new features, and it has been ported to Mac OSX. > FreeWheeling now runs under PC Linux as well as PPC and Intel Macs, all > with the same fluid interface. > > I have begun to work with developers to help guide FreeWheeling's > evolution. There are fantastic possibilities and many stones that remain > unturned. Help is needed, in any form you can give. > > Where is FreeWheeling going? I see it becoming a tool for communities > working with improv, for solo artists to flesh out material, and for > performance. I hope that, with a new community of Mac users, these > possibilities will become more real. > > List of Changes > ------------------------- > > 2006-11-21 v0.5.3 > > Many thanks to Danni Coy, who has contributed very significantly to > this release. Actually, he did most of the work! > > New Features > ------------ > > * MAC OS X support > > FreeWheeling is now cross-platform. > A universal binary is now available for both Intel & PPC Mac > platforms. > > * Multiple Audio Formats > (Contributed by Danni- Thank You!) > > Save and load loops and live streams in > OGG, WAVE, AU, and FLAC. > > * OGG encoding quality setting in configuration > > * More flexible MIDI control of external synths. > > - Combination patches allow you to split one MIDI controller > into a range of zones. This allows you to control several > different sounds or softsynths from one MIDI control source. > > A combipatch defines the zones, as well as the output MIDI > port and channel that each zone sends to. You can also send > MIDI program and bank change messages for each zone, allowing > you to switch programs on external synths. > > All of this functionality is integrated into the patch browser, > so you can seamlessly control other synth apps and > sound modules from within FreeWheeling. > > See 'examples/combipatchdemo.xml' for an example > configuration. > > - Added 'suppressprogramchanges' option for patch banks > > With suppressprogramchanges=1, no MIDI bank and program change > messages are sent when patches are changed within a patch bank. > This is useful when you have a softsynth loaded with patches on > different channels and you merely want to switch channels- > each patch is mapped to a different channel, but you don't want > program change messages being sent to mess up your patches. > > Use this for banks of Linuxsampler channels. > > - Added 'separatechannels' option for patch banks > > With separatechannels=0, patches mapped to different channels > appear in the same patch bank. With this option, you can have a > collection of several patches on different channels that appear > together in one list for browsing. This is useful for sampling > synths where your patches are pre-loaded onto channels. > > With separatechannels=1, the old behavior is used. > The old behavior splits each channel into a separate bank. > This works well for DSSI softsynths, where many synths run on > the same port, but each channel accesses a different synth and > different set of patches. > > Fixes > ----- > > * MIDI thread now runs at high priority FIFO, rather than > low priority FIFO-- this may improve MIDI performance, > and hopefully will not affect stability. > > * Fixed configuration bug that broke 'CTRL+click' loop renaming. > > All the Best, and Happy FreeWheeling, > -JP Mercury > > > -- -- Leonard Ritter -- http://www.leonard-ritter.com -- http://www.paniq.org From paul at linuxaudiosystems.com Wed Nov 22 16:15:33 2006 From: paul at linuxaudiosystems.com (Paul Davis) Date: Wed Nov 22 16:16:24 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] RAW to [other format] audio coverter questions In-Reply-To: <1164218214.5641.22.camel@localhost> References: <200611200053.06585.dominic.sacre@gmx.de> <200611212101.53145.dominic.sacre@gmx.de> <20061121204207.GA14523@linux-1.site> <200611220037.16658.dominic.sacre@gmx.de> <20061122120516.GB5941@linux-1.site> <20061122162340.GD5941@linux-1.site> <45648204.1010003@vt.edu> <1164215144.2717.413.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1164218214.5641.22.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <1164230133.2717.437.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Wed, 2006-11-22 at 18:56 +0100, Leonard "paniq" Ritter wrote: > paul, > > we recently ported the buzzhost to linux ( = aldrin). a default > convention in this program is to mix into float buffers in the -32768 to > 32767 range. only recently we changed all the code to keep to -1 .. 1. > > it has been claimed numerous times that buzz' sound quality was worse > than what you are used to. i couldn't hear that and i blame it on lack > of talent and mastering skills on the artists side, but i'm still > curious whether an implementation such as above can significantly impact > on the dynamic quality of digital music. > > what do you say? the truly precise range is limited to the width of the mantissa: N bits, where N is fixed depending on whether its a 32 bit float or an 80 bit double. you can use those N bits anyway you want: you've got a signal that varies between zero and the maximum voltage handled by a given D/A converter, and you've got 2^N (plus or minus 1) values to represent them with. you've got choices about how you use them: a) just use 16 bits of the mantissa, and fix the exponent bits (-32768...+32767) b) use all 24 bits of the mantissa, and fix the exponent bits (-2^24 ... + 2^24 - 1) c) use all 24 bits of the mantissa, and vary the exponent bits (-2^24 ... + 2^24 - 1) * 10^{0...7} d) use a normal floating point representation e) use all 24 bits of the mantissa but with normalized values, which implies varying the exponent there are more. (a) is similar to the case you were describing, and it has only 16 bits of resolution for the non-summing mixer situation. kind of a waste of 8 bits, no? its only benefit over 16 bit values is that if you sum them and the answer > 2^16 - 1, you don't clip, you just get the potential for a small amount of distortion. the way to get this into your head, or at least the way i got it into mine, was to forget the idea of associating specific numbers with bit patterns in the floating point representation. just think of there being a set of 2^24 - 1 ordered bit patterns, each one of them representing some analog signal level. depending on what you do with the exponent bits, these bit patterns could be thought of as representing integer values between 0 and 2^24, or between -2^24..+2^24-1, or floating point values between -1 and +1, or many other ranges, or nothing at all. --p From atte.jensen at gmail.com Wed Nov 22 16:44:41 2006 From: atte.jensen at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Atte_Andr=E9_Jensen?=) Date: Wed Nov 22 16:44:54 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] ANN: FreeWheeling 0.5.3 Released - now crossplatform! - Mac OS X / Linux In-Reply-To: <1164228088.5641.28.camel@localhost> References: <4564A5CE.6020209@stickist.com> <1164228088.5641.28.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <4564C4C9.5070200@gmail.com> Leonard "paniq" Ritter wrote: > care to put up some videos on e.g. youtube to > help people understand what it's all about? http://freewheeling.sourceforge.net/video/fw-demo1.avi http://freewheeling.sourceforge.net/video/fw-tut1.avi http://freewheeling.sourceforge.net/video/fw-tut2.avi http://freewheeling.sourceforge.net/video/fw-tut3.avi http://freewheeling.sourceforge.net/video/fw-tut4.avi -- peace, love & harmony Atte http://www.atte.dk | quintet: http://www.anagrammer.dk | compositions: http://www.atte.dk/compositions From atte.jensen at gmail.com Wed Nov 22 17:07:52 2006 From: atte.jensen at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Atte_Andr=E9_Jensen?=) Date: Wed Nov 22 17:08:02 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] usb2200a Message-ID: <4564CA38.3040803@gmail.com> Hi I just recieved the monthly magazine from my musicstore and found an interesting microphone in sE Electronics usb2200a. It seems to be a studio condenser mic with build-in usb 2.0 interface. Anyone... 1) ...tried this with linux, and has any successes or failures to report? 2) ...has heard and can comment on the sound of the non-usb version sE2200A? If the store actually has it in stock, I think I might bring my laptop friday and see if I can get it working... -- peace, love & harmony Atte http://www.atte.dk | quintet: http://www.anagrammer.dk | compositions: http://www.atte.dk/compositions From nickmurtagh at gmail.com Wed Nov 22 19:19:40 2006 From: nickmurtagh at gmail.com (Nick Murtagh) Date: Wed Nov 22 19:19:54 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] HDSP + CardBus + Multiface In-Reply-To: <1163438288.2846.177.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <9768a1c60611121809v76c978cah8ffa9133dc222151@mail.gmail.com> <1163385043.2846.139.camel@localhost.localdomain> <9768a1c60611130902p66cfce6epe276a05b66e887e8@mail.gmail.com> <1163438288.2846.177.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <9768a1c60611221619r531eb0c8wa33230a793ca98de@mail.gmail.com> On 11/13/06, Paul Davis wrote: > you've probably got new firmware. the current ALSA drivers don't work > with new firmware. you have two choices: > > a) downgrade to older firmware (requires access to a windows system) I flashed the CardBus adapter to firmware version 11 in windows, and now everything works in both Windows and ALSA! Firmware 15 doesn't seem to work in either Windows or ALSA, at least not with an old Multiface. I used fut_win_dsp.zip from here: http://www.rme-audio.com/english/download/drivers_archive.htm#HAMMERFALL_DSP Thanks for your help Paul! :) From tito at rumford.de Wed Nov 22 19:24:42 2006 From: tito at rumford.de (Wolfgang Woehl) Date: Wed Nov 22 19:23:30 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Global reverb setup In-Reply-To: <20061119163447.GA5939@linux-1.site> References: <20061119140638.GA14104@localhost> <20061119163447.GA5939@linux-1.site> Message-ID: <200611230124.43001.tito@rumford.de> Sunday 19 November 2006 17:34, Fons Adriaensen: > Now using aux sends in this way is a pain in Ardour since > each send is in a separate window. It's a problem both > for effect sends and foldback mixes. This is IMHO one of > Ardour's design flaws. I wonder why this doesn't come up more often. It's obvious when you need to setup various headphone mixes: t tracks to m monitor/headphone busses gives you t times m send windows if you want to have them all at hand which is what I need usually. I don't think it's a design issue though. The current way Ardour shows sends is just one possible view out of many, i guess. Wouldn't Ardour's model allow for a sends editor that displayed all sends_to_same_destination in the same popup? ps: "foldback mixes": http://www.rane.com/par-f.html pps:Yves, "Ambience" is a decent reverb with eq (http://magnus.smartelectronix.com/) -- Wolfgang From fons.adriaensen at skynet.be Wed Nov 22 20:02:20 2006 From: fons.adriaensen at skynet.be (Fons Adriaensen) Date: Wed Nov 22 19:59:38 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Global reverb setup In-Reply-To: <200611230124.43001.tito@rumford.de> References: <20061119140638.GA14104@localhost> <20061119163447.GA5939@linux-1.site> <200611230124.43001.tito@rumford.de> Message-ID: <20061123010220.GG5941@linux-1.site> On Thu, Nov 23, 2006 at 01:24:42AM +0100, Wolfgang Woehl wrote: > I don't think it's a design issue though. The current way Ardour shows sends > is just one possible view out of many, i guess. Wouldn't Ardour's model allow > for a sends editor that displayed all sends_to_same_destination in the same > popup? Probably not impossible. But the way things are presented is part of 'design'. > ps: "foldback mixes": http://www.rane.com/par-f.html :-) Does it show my age ? I usually think of 'monitors' in a stage setting (speakers, separate mixer and engineer), and 'foldback' in a studio situation (more likely headphones, and controlled form the same mixer). -- FA Lascia la spina, cogli la rosa. From eviltwin69 at cableone.net Thu Nov 23 16:08:26 2006 From: eviltwin69 at cableone.net (Jan Depner) Date: Thu Nov 23 16:26:28 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Linux/Ogg compatible audio player Message-ID: <1164316106.20586.4.camel@eviltwin> Here it is again, the never ending question. Neuros is no longer making anything that I would want to buy (I don't want one of the last of the line 80GB players for various reasons). What players out there are Linux/Ogg compatible. I'd like something about 20GB with USB that appears as a removable disk. If it's supported by Rockbox that would be a plus. Anybody got anything that is still commercially available that does this (I can't find a new iRiver H120 anywhere - I don't want to buy used). TIA. Jan -- Jan 'Evil Twin' Depner http://myweb.cableone.net/eviltwin69 "Life should NOT be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in an attractive and well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, chardonnay in one hand, chocolate in the other, body thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and screaming 'WOO HOO, what a ride'" From martijn at pacno.net Thu Nov 23 18:51:23 2006 From: martijn at pacno.net (martijn) Date: Thu Nov 23 18:51:41 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Linux/Ogg compatible audio player In-Reply-To: <1164316106.20586.4.camel@eviltwin> References: <1164316106.20586.4.camel@eviltwin> Message-ID: <20061123235123.GA76108@scratch.home.pacno.net> Hi, Once upon a Thu, Nov 23 2006, Jan Depner hit keys in the following order: > appears as a removable disk. If it's supported by Rockbox that would be > a plus. Anybody got anything that is still commercially available that > does this (I can't find a new iRiver H120 anywhere - I don't want to buy same problem here... i think i'm gonna buy an iRiver H10 and hope the recording functions will be available in the near future. Rockbox does work on the H10, but lacks support for recording atm. And that's the main reason i want such a device. Anyways, since there are no other new iRivers from the H-series in the stores anymore, its my only choice for now. Heck, maybe i'll help to create the recording feature.. if you find something else please let me know... Martijn From eviltwin69 at cableone.net Thu Nov 23 19:08:21 2006 From: eviltwin69 at cableone.net (Jan Depner) Date: Thu Nov 23 19:26:15 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Linux/Ogg compatible audio player In-Reply-To: <20061123235123.GA76108@scratch.home.pacno.net> References: <1164316106.20586.4.camel@eviltwin> <20061123235123.GA76108@scratch.home.pacno.net> Message-ID: <1164326901.20586.5.camel@eviltwin> On Fri, 2006-11-24 at 00:51 +0100, martijn wrote: > Hi, > > Once upon a Thu, Nov 23 2006, Jan Depner hit keys in the following order: > > appears as a removable disk. If it's supported by Rockbox that would be > > a plus. Anybody got anything that is still commercially available that > > does this (I can't find a new iRiver H120 anywhere - I don't want to buy > > same problem here... i think i'm gonna buy an iRiver H10 and hope the recording > functions will be available in the near future. Rockbox does work on the H10, > but lacks support for recording atm. And that's the main reason i want such a > device. Anyways, since there are no other new iRivers from the H-series > in the stores anymore, its my only choice for now. Heck, maybe i'll help to > create the recording feature.. > > if you find something else please let me know... > My daughter just pointed out the iAudio X5. It looks like a possibility. -- Jan 'Evil Twin' Depner http://myweb.cableone.net/eviltwin69 "Life should NOT be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in an attractive and well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, chardonnay in one hand, chocolate in the other, body thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and screaming 'WOO HOO, what a ride'" From markknecht at gmail.com Thu Nov 23 20:22:36 2006 From: markknecht at gmail.com (Mark Knecht) Date: Thu Nov 23 20:24:28 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Linux/Ogg compatible audio player In-Reply-To: <20061123235123.GA76108@scratch.home.pacno.net> References: <1164316106.20586.4.camel@eviltwin> <20061123235123.GA76108@scratch.home.pacno.net> Message-ID: <5bdc1c8b0611231722h1d00cd73p6c59b96eddc68912@mail.gmail.com> On 11/23/06, martijn wrote: > Hi, > > Once upon a Thu, Nov 23 2006, Jan Depner hit keys in the following order: > > appears as a removable disk. If it's supported by Rockbox that would be > > a plus. Anybody got anything that is still commercially available that > > does this (I can't find a new iRiver H120 anywhere - I don't want to buy > > same problem here... i think i'm gonna buy an iRiver H10 and hope the recording > functions will be available in the near future. Rockbox does work on the H10, > but lacks support for recording atm. And that's the main reason i want such a > device. Anyways, since there are no other new iRivers from the H-series > in the stores anymore, its my only choice for now. Heck, maybe i'll help to > create the recording feature.. > > if you find something else please let me know... > > Martijn > I believe I've seen some videos showing iRiver support via Aqualung. Please check with the developers as to what models, etc. might actually be known to work as I've never personally used this feature. This page does mention some shortcut keys for the iRiver. http://aqualung.sourceforge.net/manual.html HTH, Mark From ross at kallisti.us Thu Nov 23 22:27:59 2006 From: ross at kallisti.us (Ross Vandegrift) Date: Thu Nov 23 22:28:12 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Linux/Ogg compatible audio player In-Reply-To: <1164326901.20586.5.camel@eviltwin> References: <1164316106.20586.4.camel@eviltwin> <20061123235123.GA76108@scratch.home.pacno.net> <1164326901.20586.5.camel@eviltwin> Message-ID: <20061124032759.GA5172@kallisti.us> On Thu, Nov 23, 2006 at 06:08:21PM -0600, Jan Depner wrote: > My daughter just pointed out the iAudio X5. It looks like a > possibility. I have a Cowon A2, which is the vidoe-capable device that is similar to the X5. I really like it a lot! It's been super-stable, works via USB and has 30GiB of storage. The iAudios come in bigger models, but don't have the video I/O capabilities. On top of that, the whole suite of software for the A2 is GPL. I don't know if that's the case with the iAudio, but it does say something pretty cool about Cowon. -- Ross Vandegrift ross@kallisti.us "The good Christian should beware of mathematicians, and all those who make empty prophecies. The danger already exists that the mathematicians have made a covenant with the devil to darken the spirit and to confine man in the bonds of Hell." --St. Augustine, De Genesi ad Litteram, Book II, xviii, 37 From loki.davison at gmail.com Thu Nov 23 22:52:01 2006 From: loki.davison at gmail.com (Loki Davison) Date: Thu Nov 23 22:52:12 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Linux/Ogg compatible audio player In-Reply-To: <1164316106.20586.4.camel@eviltwin> References: <1164316106.20586.4.camel@eviltwin> Message-ID: On 11/24/06, Jan Depner wrote: > Here it is again, the never ending question. Neuros is no longer making > anything that I would want to buy (I don't want one of the last of the > line 80GB players for various reasons). What players out there are > Linux/Ogg compatible. I'd like something about 20GB with USB that > appears as a removable disk. If it's supported by Rockbox that would be > a plus. Anybody got anything that is still commercially available that > does this (I can't find a new iRiver H120 anywhere - I don't want to buy > used). TIA. > > Jan I got a new H120 here in australia 2 months ago. Works very well with rockbox. Not sure about other countries though. Loki From gkjoyce at gmail.com Fri Nov 24 00:11:51 2006 From: gkjoyce at gmail.com (greg) Date: Fri Nov 24 00:12:11 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Linux/Ogg compatible audio player In-Reply-To: <20061124032759.GA5172@kallisti.us> References: <1164316106.20586.4.camel@eviltwin> <20061123235123.GA76108@scratch.home.pacno.net> <1164326901.20586.5.camel@eviltwin> <20061124032759.GA5172@kallisti.us> Message-ID: <1164345111.20639.7.camel@localhost> I have a year or two old cowon / iaudio player. It's a 20gb with a remote display / control I'm not thrilled with. It plays FLAC / ogg and more, shows up as a USB drive, both of which I am thrilled with. From bernie.arai at gmail.com Fri Nov 24 03:52:25 2006 From: bernie.arai at gmail.com (bernie arai) Date: Fri Nov 24 03:52:34 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Linux/Ogg compatible audio player In-Reply-To: <1164345111.20639.7.camel@localhost> References: <1164316106.20586.4.camel@eviltwin> <20061123235123.GA76108@scratch.home.pacno.net> <1164326901.20586.5.camel@eviltwin> <20061124032759.GA5172@kallisti.us> <1164345111.20639.7.camel@localhost> Message-ID: On 11/23/06, greg wrote: > I have a year or two old cowon / iaudio player. It's a 20gb with a > remote display / control I'm not thrilled with. It plays FLAC / ogg and > more, shows up as a USB drive, both of which I am thrilled with. > > i think the X5 is the new version of that player, without the remote, and with (limited) video capabitilies. i just got an X5 (30gb, but it comes in 20gb too) thanks to reading the last thread on LAU on this topic. it mounts easy as pie as a USB drive, and plays oggs. besides working well with linux, it had all the features i was looking for (fm tuner, fm record, line in encoding, jpeg display, high power sound) i would recommend it (shop around, i found it for cheaper than the cowon "jet audio" online store). the only thing i could complain about is the line-in jack, usb plug and ac power is on a little expansion port that you have to plug into the bottom. supported by rockbox too, but i haven't had a need/desire to try it out yet. bernie From tech at glastonburymusic.org.uk Fri Nov 24 06:15:12 2006 From: tech at glastonburymusic.org.uk (tim hall) Date: Fri Nov 24 06:15:26 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Help wanted for RTS game In-Reply-To: <878xi75fdl.fsf@esben-stien.name> References: <79eea87e0611181449i2712f7bfka1f6bd06a826662f@mail.gmail.com> <1163903426.10080.25.camel@localhost> <878xi75fdl.fsf@esben-stien.name> Message-ID: <200611241115.13183.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> On Sunday 19 November 2006 20:51, Esben Stien was like: > "Leonard \"paniq\" Ritter" writes: > > the gpl is based to source code and focused on maintenance. it > > doesn't apply to content > > With CEL, using crystalspace, you can pretty much make a complete game > in XML. With a free content database of audio, 3d models, video, > textures, etc, there will pop up "games" everywhere. > > The word game limits creativity. We all be walking in 3d space some > day, in different environments, jumping from one environment to > another through portals, maybe with their own laws of physics;). This > is the future of the Internet. > > In these worlds, you may do shopping, checking out products, you may > play table tennis, water ski, walk the mountain, ride a bicycle, drive > a car, frag friends, etc. > > With free content databases and free software engines, you're pretty > much home free easily constructing new worlds for people to explore. I'm quite keen on: http://www.cubeengine.com/ -- cheers, tim hall http://glastonburymusic.org.uk/tim We are the people We've been waiting for. From ivalladolidt at terra.es Fri Nov 24 07:30:56 2006 From: ivalladolidt at terra.es (Ismael Valladolid Torres) Date: Fri Nov 24 07:32:12 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Linux/Ogg compatible audio player In-Reply-To: <1164345111.20639.7.camel@localhost> References: <1164316106.20586.4.camel@eviltwin> <20061123235123.GA76108@scratch.home.pacno.net> <1164326901.20586.5.camel@eviltwin> <20061124032759.GA5172@kallisti.us> <1164345111.20639.7.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <20061124123056.GP1864@gmail.com> greg escribe: > I have a year or two old cowon / iaudio player. It's a 20gb with a > remote display / control I'm not thrilled with. It plays FLAC / ogg and > more, shows up as a USB drive, both of which I am thrilled with. I never had heard of Cowon iAudio devices and I'm amazed. It supports OGG and FLAC apart from MP3 which would be a plus for me. I love FLAC and other loseless for classical music which suffers a lot when encoded to loosy formats on almost all bitrates. But, even better, I can put there a GPL firmware! What can Rockbox make for me if I buy a, let's say, iAudio X5 device? If using an X5 with Rockbox I can: - Listen to music in MP3 and FLAC formats - Store photos as JPEG at full size (let's say 1600x1200) - View MPEG4 (DivX or XviD) films - Listen to FM Then this is certainly my dreamed machine. Any comments? Cordially, Ismael -- Ismael Valladolid Torres "Il est vain de pleurer sur l'esprit, il suffit de travailler pour lui." Albert Camus http://lamediahostia.blogspot.com/ OpenPGP key ID: 0xDE721AF4 http://www.flickr.com/photos/ivalladt Jabber ID: ivalladt@jabberes.org -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 186 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://music.columbia.edu/pipermail/linux-audio-user/attachments/20061124/a3ebe569/attachment.bin From yves at jazzcomputer.org Fri Nov 24 16:08:51 2006 From: yves at jazzcomputer.org (Yves Potin) Date: Fri Nov 24 16:09:18 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Issue with TAP plugins Message-ID: <20061124210851.GA7132@localhost> Hello. I encounter a weird and irritating problem which seem to concern TAP plugins. Sometimes there seem to be a bad wire in my hardware, quite everything start to sound with lots of cracks, turning all the sound system to be unusable. After hours and hours investigating, I notice that when I turn off all TAP plugins, things reintegrate normality. For example Zynaddsubfx often, not always, produces rains of CRR CRR CRR when playing a sequence together with an Om patch which uses TAP reverb or TAP pink noise. Turning off the Om patch produces immediatly a normal sound in Zynaddsubfx (and also deleting the TAP plugins from the patch)... The worse thing is that some of my mixes have become completely unusable in Ardour. I intensively use the TAP reverb on some tracks, everything worked fine around September and before, even if there were occasionnaly, and randomly, some of these noises. But now there are some mixes I just can't play anymore without turning off all the TAPS reverbs. I even encounter tons and tons of xruns... I regularly upgrade my gentoo system and the kernel, *everything works really fine* but this precise point which seems to get worse and worse. I have *not* upgraded Ardour (0.99.3 version). I know that softwares like jack-rack complains when one try to use TAP plugins, saying they are not real time, but those plugins seemed to function normally before with lot of other softs... And it would be really a pity to stop using them. Two questions : am I alone to encounter this issue, and what kind of debug information could be of a help ? My setup is dual Opteron, 2 Go RAM, SATA Drives, RME Multiface II, Gentoo 2006.1, kernel : 2.6.18.1 #1 SMP PREEMPT and Alsa Version 1.0.12rc1 provided with this vanilla kernel, normally patched for real time. Thanks in advance for any kind of help, Y. From julien at c-lab.de Sat Nov 25 06:23:41 2006 From: julien at c-lab.de (Julien Claassen) Date: Sat Nov 25 06:24:16 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] New music online - website revisited Message-ID: Hi all! There's a new piece online at: http://www.juliencoder.de/songs/hippie_heart.ogg It's a bit of a roller-coaster, all in all rather calm and harmonic. I touch a bit of progrock there and synth-music and a bit of completely weird - and probably senseless - ethnic there. The website now has fixed colours and the line-height of the lists is increased. Please could someone validate the look of it? Beside it's now valid xhtml/1.0. The main link for the English version is: http://www.juliencoder.de/en/main.html Thanks for any feedback! It's highly appreciated! Kindest regards Julien -------- Music was my first love and it will be my last (John Miles) ======== FIND MY WEB-PROJECT AT: ======== http://ltsb.sourceforge.net the Linux TextBased Studio guide ======= AND MY PERSONAL PAGES AT: ======= http://www.juliencoder.de From contact at leonard-ritter.com Sat Nov 25 14:06:01 2006 From: contact at leonard-ritter.com (Leonard Ritter) Date: Sat Nov 25 14:06:09 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [ANN] Aldrin 0.6 (Raven) Message-ID: <1164481561.10270.13.camel@localhost> Aldrin is an open source modular sequencer/tracker, designed to be 1:1 compatible to Jeskola Buzz. We're proud to announce the release of Aldrin 0.7 (Vulture), featuring Automation, MIDI controller support, preliminary user help documents compiled by Phed (thank you a lot!), support for song info texts, preset editing, the all new M4wII synth, support for user interface extensions and the usual set of bugfixes. http://www.leonard-ritter.com/announcement_aldrin_0_7_vulture -- Leonard Ritter -- Freelance Art & Logic -- http://www.leonard-ritter.com From contact at leonard-ritter.com Sat Nov 25 14:07:21 2006 From: contact at leonard-ritter.com (Leonard Ritter) Date: Sat Nov 25 14:07:59 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [ANN] Aldrin 0.7 (Vulture) Message-ID: <1164481641.10270.15.camel@localhost> Sorry for the repost, I forgot to update the subject ;) Aldrin is an open source modular sequencer/tracker, designed to be 1:1 compatible to Jeskola Buzz. We're proud to announce the release of Aldrin 0.7 (Vulture), featuring Automation, MIDI controller support, preliminary user help documents compiled by Phed (thank you a lot!), support for song info texts, preset editing, the all new M4wII synth, support for user interface extensions and the usual set of bugfixes. http://www.leonard-ritter.com/announcement_aldrin_0_7_vulture -- Leonard Ritter -- Freelance Art & Logic -- http://www.leonard-ritter.com From mobarre at gmail.com Sat Nov 25 14:20:06 2006 From: mobarre at gmail.com (Marc-Olivier Barre) Date: Sat Nov 25 14:21:21 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Issue with TAP plugins In-Reply-To: <20061124210851.GA7132@localhost> References: <20061124210851.GA7132@localhost> Message-ID: <3c808a150611251120y5262d7a9ma2aa4b203762948d@mail.gmail.com> On 11/24/06, Yves Potin wrote: > Two questions : am I alone to encounter this issue, and what kind > of debug information could be of a help ? > My setup is dual Opteron, 2 Go RAM, SATA Drives, RME Multiface II, > Gentoo 2006.1, kernel : 2.6.18.1 #1 SMP PREEMPT and Alsa Version > 1.0.12rc1 provided with this vanilla kernel, normally patched for real > time. > Thanks in advance for any kind of help, > > Y. > > TAP plugins are useful, TAP plugins sound nice, I love the multiband EQ, TAP reverb sounds real good too. That being said, they are unusable unless some guru takes a look to cleanup the code, to avoid denormal problems, to make these plugins "realtime compliant", etc. __________________ Marc-Olivier Barre, (Markinoko) Kinoko en Orbite. From glauberalex at uol.com.br Sat Nov 25 14:29:53 2006 From: glauberalex at uol.com.br (glauber alex dias prado) Date: Sat Nov 25 14:30:27 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Jack wont start, undefined symbol: jack_tmpdir In-Reply-To: <1164326901.20586.5.camel@eviltwin> References: <1164316106.20586.4.camel@eviltwin> <20061123235123.GA76108@scratch.home.pacno.net> <1164326901.20586.5.camel@eviltwin> Message-ID: <1164482998.26439.6.camel@gredesk> Hi dear list, i am out of ideas, the error is follow: "jackd: symbol lookup error: jackd: undefined symbol: jack_tmpdir" when i try to call jack simply as /jackd -dalsa i dont know what to do, im on a gentoo box amd64 arch, and jack always worked before, ive noticed this one week ago, and tried uninstalling jack reemerge it and with a lot of different versions, my fstab line entry regarding tmpfs is as follows: "none /dev/shm tmpfs defaults 0 0" any help is pretty much appreciated. Thanks in advance, Glauber Alex Dias Prado. From joke at apo33.org Sat Nov 25 14:57:49 2006 From: joke at apo33.org (joke@apo33.org) Date: Sat Nov 25 14:58:20 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [ANN] Aldrin 0.7 (Vulture) In-Reply-To: <1164481641.10270.15.camel@localhost> References: <1164481641.10270.15.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <20061125205749.9fqpby3rogk4w8go@apo33.org> Hi Leonard, nice, it compil straight!! sound good... just few questions and remarks : in Alsa mode, when you are manipulate the machines you have cut in the sound, like interruption... my kernel is a basic one but is it related to the kernel? I would like to know what do you mean by 1:1 compatible to jeskola Buzz... any buzz machines won't work with Aldrin? what do you mean by compatible? thanks for this work, it will be very good if this buzz machine is now working on nux!! cheers joker > Sorry for the repost, I forgot to update the subject ;) > > Aldrin is an open source modular sequencer/tracker, designed to be > 1:1 compatible to Jeskola Buzz. > > We're proud to announce the release of Aldrin 0.7 (Vulture), > featuring Automation, MIDI controller support, preliminary user help > documents compiled by Phed (thank you a lot!), support for song info > texts, preset editing, the all new M4wII synth, support for user > interface extensions and the usual set of bugfixes. > > http://www.leonard-ritter.com/announcement_aldrin_0_7_vulture > > > -- > Leonard Ritter > > -- Freelance Art & Logic > -- http://www.leonard-ritter.com > > > From cave.dnb at tiscali.fr Sat Nov 25 14:58:06 2006 From: cave.dnb at tiscali.fr (Nigel Henry) Date: Sat Nov 25 14:59:43 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] New music online - website revisited In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200611252058.06919.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> On Saturday 25 November 2006 12:23, Julien Claassen wrote: > Hi all! > There's a new piece online at: > http://www.juliencoder.de/songs/hippie_heart.ogg > It's a bit of a roller-coaster, all in all rather calm and harmonic. I > touch a bit of progrock there and synth-music and a bit of completely weird > - and probably senseless - ethnic there. > The website now has fixed colours and the line-height of the lists is > increased. Please could someone validate the look of it? Beside it's now > valid xhtml/1.0. > The main link for the English version is: > http://www.juliencoder.de/en/main.html > Thanks for any feedback! It's highly appreciated! > Kindest regards > Julien Hi Julien. That's a really nice track. It's long, but you don't lose interest because there are lots of changes. Part of it sounded a bit like the Moody Blues album "Days of Future Past", a bit psychedelic. I presume the vocals are your own, and must admit took me a bit by surprise at first, but soon settled into them. You've got that sort of Leonard Cohen sound, quite dry, and it works well with the whole tune. I must look on your site for other stuff. I just havn't got around to it yet. Thanks for the music. Nigel. > > -------- > Music was my first love and it will be my last (John Miles) > > ======== FIND MY WEB-PROJECT AT: ======== > http://ltsb.sourceforge.net > the Linux TextBased Studio guide > ======= AND MY PERSONAL PAGES AT: ======= > http://www.juliencoder.de From contact at leonard-ritter.com Sat Nov 25 15:21:52 2006 From: contact at leonard-ritter.com (Leonard Ritter) Date: Sat Nov 25 15:22:03 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [ANN] Aldrin 0.7 (Vulture) In-Reply-To: <20061125205749.9fqpby3rogk4w8go@apo33.org> References: <1164481641.10270.15.camel@localhost> <20061125205749.9fqpby3rogk4w8go@apo33.org> Message-ID: <1164486112.10270.27.camel@localhost> Hi Joker, thank you for the praise :) On Sat, 2006-11-25 at 20:57 +0100, joke@apo33.org wrote: > in Alsa mode, when you are manipulate the machines you have cut in the > sound, like interruption... my kernel is a basic one but is it related > to the kernel? It is related to portaudio v19, which does not make any effort to boost the ALSA threads scheduling. As a result, the thread gets equal cpu time as any other thread. Of course, this is unbearable. Aldrin works best with the Jack Audio Connection Kit. > > I would like to know what do you mean by 1:1 compatible to jeskola > Buzz... any buzz machines won't work with Aldrin? what do you mean by > compatible? The wording has been changed just five minutes ago. There are no more efforts on my side to get buzz binaries working. It is simply not worth it to keep a corpse alive longer than neccessary. I am steadily porting the most important and available machines to zzub/Aldrin. On Windows, Aldrin loads buzzmachines through a wrapper, and is far more "compatible", being able to load and play almost all bmx files correctly. Best wishes, Leonard > > Sorry for the repost, I forgot to update the subject ;) > > > > Aldrin is an open source modular sequencer/tracker, designed to be > > 1:1 compatible to Jeskola Buzz. > > > > We're proud to announce the release of Aldrin 0.7 (Vulture), > > featuring Automation, MIDI controller support, preliminary user help > > documents compiled by Phed (thank you a lot!), support for song info > > texts, preset editing, the all new M4wII synth, support for user > > interface extensions and the usual set of bugfixes. > > > > http://www.leonard-ritter.com/announcement_aldrin_0_7_vulture > > > > > > -- > > Leonard Ritter > > > > -- Freelance Art & Logic > > -- http://www.leonard-ritter.com > > > > > > > > > > -- Leonard Ritter -- Freelance Art & Logic -- http://www.leonard-ritter.com From cucullin at wtfisthat.net Sat Nov 25 15:29:36 2006 From: cucullin at wtfisthat.net (Joseph M. Gaffney) Date: Sat Nov 25 15:29:22 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Linux/Ogg compatible audio player In-Reply-To: <20061124123056.GP1864@gmail.com> References: <1164316106.20586.4.camel@eviltwin> <1164345111.20639.7.camel@localhost> <20061124123056.GP1864@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200611251529.37014.cucullin@wtfisthat.net> On Friday 24 November 2006 07:30, Ismael Valladolid Torres wrote: > Then this is certainly my dreamed machine. > > Any comments? > I just received my Cowon A2 PMP, 30GB model, on last Monday. I've been scoping these out for quite some time, and I'm VERY hapy with my A2 :) -Joseph M. Gaffney From contact at leonard-ritter.com Sat Nov 25 17:05:43 2006 From: contact at leonard-ritter.com (Leonard Ritter) Date: Sat Nov 25 17:05:53 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Modules, Collaboration and Aldrin Message-ID: <1164492343.10270.31.camel@localhost> In this article I'm going to tell a bit about my past experience with song formats (advantages and problems), how it influenced my choices when extending the goals of Aldrin and what this will mean for the future of Aldrin, and collaborative music composition on the internet in general. http://www.leonard-ritter.com/modules_collaboration_and_aldrin -- Leonard Ritter -- Freelance Art & Logic -- http://www.leonard-ritter.com From v2 at iki.fi Sat Nov 25 17:26:31 2006 From: v2 at iki.fi (Sampo Savolainen) Date: Sat Nov 25 17:26:40 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Jack wont start, undefined symbol: jack_tmpdir In-Reply-To: <1164482998.26439.6.camel@gredesk> References: <1164316106.20586.4.camel@eviltwin> <20061123235123.GA76108@scratch.home.pacno.net> <1164326901.20586.5.camel@eviltwin> <1164482998.26439.6.camel@gredesk> Message-ID: <1164493591.5611.3.camel@mustis> On Sat, 2006-11-25 at 17:29 -0200, glauber alex dias prado wrote: > Hi dear list, i am out of ideas, the error is follow: "jackd: symbol > lookup error: jackd: undefined symbol: jack_tmpdir" when i try to call > jack simply as /jackd -dalsa i dont know what to do, im on a gentoo box > amd64 arch, and jack always worked before, ive noticed this one week > ago, and tried uninstalling jack reemerge it and with a lot of different > versions, my fstab line entry regarding tmpfs is as follows: > "none /dev/shm tmpfs defaults 0 0" Sounds like you have multiple versions of jack installed. Probably one in /usr/local/ (self-built, i assume) and one from a distro in /usr/. If this is the case, I recommend that you remove the version in /usr/local and recompile jackd after running ./configure --prefix=/usr (and any other options you want to use) Oh, uninstalling is easiest via running "make uninstall" as root from the jack source directory you installed it from originally. You just need to do that before selecting a different prefix with "configure". > any help is pretty much appreciated. > > Thanks in advance, Glauber Alex Dias Prado. > From rj at spamatica.se Sat Nov 25 17:37:19 2006 From: rj at spamatica.se (Robert Jonsson) Date: Sat Nov 25 17:37:20 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Issue with TAP plugins In-Reply-To: <3c808a150611251120y5262d7a9ma2aa4b203762948d@mail.gmail.com> References: <20061124210851.GA7132@localhost> <3c808a150611251120y5262d7a9ma2aa4b203762948d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200611252337.20649.rj@spamatica.se> Hi, On Saturday 25 November 2006 20:20, Marc-Olivier Barre wrote: > On 11/24/06, Yves Potin wrote: > > Two questions : am I alone to encounter this issue, and what > > kind of debug information could be of a help ? > > My setup is dual Opteron, 2 Go RAM, SATA Drives, RME Multiface > > II, Gentoo 2006.1, kernel : 2.6.18.1 #1 SMP PREEMPT and Alsa Version > > 1.0.12rc1 provided with this vanilla kernel, normally patched for real > > time. > > Thanks in advance for any kind of help, > > > > Y. > > TAP plugins are useful, TAP plugins sound nice, I love the multiband > EQ, TAP reverb sounds real good too. > > That being said, they are unusable unless some guru takes a look to > cleanup the code, to avoid denormal problems, to make these plugins > "realtime compliant", etc. If you know some specifics please bring this up with the author, file a bug report perhaps. He has been very forthcoming about fixing issues in the past. Recently I found that denormal issues can be brought to a minimum by recompiling your plugins with the appropriate SSE/SSE2/SSE3/3DNOW settings. I have recompiled them with CFLAGS and CXXFLAGS set to -m3dnow and cpu usage has overall dropped, including potential denormal issues. Regards, Robert > __________________ > Marc-Olivier Barre, > (Markinoko) > Kinoko en Orbite. -- http://spamatica.se/musicsite/ From jamesmstone at gmail.com Sat Nov 25 18:07:38 2006 From: jamesmstone at gmail.com (James Stone) Date: Sat Nov 25 18:07:40 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [ANN] Aldrin 0.7 (Vulture) In-Reply-To: <1164481641.10270.15.camel@localhost> References: <1164481641.10270.15.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <20061125230738.GA12727@moon.base> On Sat, Nov 25, 2006 at 08:07:21PM +0100, Leonard Ritter wrote: > Sorry for the repost, I forgot to update the subject ;) > > Aldrin is an open source modular sequencer/tracker, designed to be 1:1 compatible to Jeskola Buzz. > > We're proud to announce the release of Aldrin 0.7 (Vulture), featuring Automation, MIDI controller support, preliminary user help documents compiled by Phed (thank you a lot!), support for song info texts, preset editing, the all new M4wII synth, support for user interface extensions and the usual set of bugfixes. > > http://www.leonard-ritter.com/announcement_aldrin_0_7_vulture > Between 0.6.1 and 0.7 dssi and ladspa plugins seem to have disappeared... Bug, or am I doing something wrong?? James From jri at broadpark.no Sat Nov 25 18:47:33 2006 From: jri at broadpark.no (Johannes Mario Ringheim) Date: Sat Nov 25 18:47:44 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [ANN] Aldrin 0.7 (Vulture) In-Reply-To: <20061125230738.GA12727@moon.base> References: <1164481641.10270.15.camel@localhost> <20061125230738.GA12727@moon.base> Message-ID: <4568D615.9060103@broadpark.no> James Stone wrote: > Between 0.6.1 and 0.7 dssi and ladspa plugins seem to have > disappeared... Bug, or am I doing something wrong?? Not compiled by default anymore, as i just discovered. scons LADSPA=true DSSI=true -- Ringheims Auto - Fri musikk for bilstereo! http://ringheimsauto.org From pshirkey at boosthardware.com Sun Nov 26 01:30:18 2006 From: pshirkey at boosthardware.com (Patrick Shirkey) Date: Sun Nov 26 01:30:37 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] the reactable Message-ID: <4569347A.4050602@boosthardware.com> I first read about this a couple of years back. They have come a long way. Looks really fun to use now: http://mtg.upf.edu/reactable/ The reactable, is a state-of-the-art multi-user electro-acoustic music instrument with a tabletop tangible user interface. Several simultaneous performers share complete control over the instrument by moving physical artefacts on the table surface and constructing different audio topologies in a kind of tangible modular synthesizer or graspable flow-controlled programming language. -- Patrick Shirkey - Boost Hardware Ltd. Http://www.boosthardware.com Http://lau.linuxaudio.org - The Linux Audio Users guide ======================================== "Anything your mind can see you can manifest physically, then it will become reality" - Macka B From pshirkey at boosthardware.com Sun Nov 26 01:31:01 2006 From: pshirkey at boosthardware.com (Patrick Shirkey) Date: Sun Nov 26 01:31:34 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: the reactable In-Reply-To: <4569347A.4050602@boosthardware.com> References: <4569347A.4050602@boosthardware.com> Message-ID: <456934A5.70308@boosthardware.com> Patrick Shirkey wrote: > I first read about this a couple of years back. They have come a long > way. Looks really fun to use now: > > > http://mtg.upf.edu/reactable/ > > The reactable, is a state-of-the-art multi-user electro-acoustic music > instrument with a tabletop tangible user interface. Several simultaneous > performers share complete control over the instrument by moving physical > artefacts on the table surface and constructing different audio > topologies in a kind of tangible modular synthesizer or graspable > flow-controlled programming language. > > demo video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0h-RhyopUmc -- Patrick Shirkey - Boost Hardware Ltd. Http://www.boosthardware.com Http://lau.linuxaudio.org - The Linux Audio Users guide ======================================== "Anything your mind can see you can manifest physically, then it will become reality" - Macka B From glauberalex at uol.com.br Sun Nov 26 02:36:16 2006 From: glauberalex at uol.com.br (glauber alex dias prado) Date: Sun Nov 26 02:48:43 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Jack wont start, undefined symbol: jack_tmpdir In-Reply-To: <1164493591.5611.3.camel@mustis> References: <1164316106.20586.4.camel@eviltwin> <20061123235123.GA76108@scratch.home.pacno.net> <1164326901.20586.5.camel@eviltwin> <1164482998.26439.6.camel@gredesk> <1164493591.5611.3.camel@mustis> Message-ID: <1164526576.2894.13.camel@gredesk> Em Dom, 2006-11-26 ?s 00:26 +0200, Sampo Savolainen escreveu: > On Sat, 2006-11-25 at 17:29 -0200, glauber alex dias prado wrote: > > Hi dear list, i am out of ideas, the error is follow: "jackd: symbol > > lookup error: jackd: undefined symbol: jack_tmpdir" when i try to call > > jack simply as /jackd -dalsa i dont know what to do, im on a gentoo box > > amd64 arch, and jack always worked before, ive noticed this one week > > ago, and tried uninstalling jack reemerge it and with a lot of different > > versions, my fstab line entry regarding tmpfs is as follows: > > "none /dev/shm tmpfs defaults 0 0" > > Sounds like you have multiple versions of jack installed. Probably one > in /usr/local/ (self-built, i assume) and one from a distro in /usr/. > > If this is the case, I recommend that you remove the version > in /usr/local and recompile jackd after running ./configure > --prefix=/usr (and any other options you want to use) > > Oh, uninstalling is easiest via running "make uninstall" as root from > the jack source directory you installed it from originally. You just > need to do that before selecting a different prefix with "configure". > Man you are very much probably right, i did had it, but i was cleaning up my mess recently and i think that in a moment of i need to clean _everything_ i had my src jack self-compiled deleted, and i cant remember which version it was, so i tried to get rid of it manually making a comparison with my actual jack installed trough emerge, now i dont know exactly what to do, i will try to manually recompile and them uninstall to see what happens. thanks very much for the response, its probably you are right. > > any help is pretty much appreciated. > > > > Thanks in advance, Glauber Alex Dias Prado. > > > From glauberalex at uol.com.br Sun Nov 26 02:52:46 2006 From: glauberalex at uol.com.br (glauber alex dias prado) Date: Sun Nov 26 03:00:04 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Jack wont start, undefined symbol: jack_tmpdir In-Reply-To: <1164493591.5611.3.camel@mustis> References: <1164316106.20586.4.camel@eviltwin> <20061123235123.GA76108@scratch.home.pacno.net> <1164326901.20586.5.camel@eviltwin> <1164482998.26439.6.camel@gredesk> <1164493591.5611.3.camel@mustis> Message-ID: <1164527566.2894.16.camel@gredesk> Em Dom, 2006-11-26 ?s 00:26 +0200, Sampo Savolainen escreveu: > On Sat, 2006-11-25 at 17:29 -0200, glauber alex dias prado wrote: > > Hi dear list, i am out of ideas, the error is follow: "jackd: symbol > > lookup error: jackd: undefined symbol: jack_tmpdir" when i try to call > > jack simply as /jackd -dalsa i dont know what to do, im on a gentoo box > > amd64 arch, and jack always worked before, ive noticed this one week > > ago, and tried uninstalling jack reemerge it and with a lot of different > > versions, my fstab line entry regarding tmpfs is as follows: > > "none /dev/shm tmpfs defaults 0 0" > > Sounds like you have multiple versions of jack installed. Probably one > in /usr/local/ (self-built, i assume) and one from a distro in /usr/. > > If this is the case, I recommend that you remove the version > in /usr/local and recompile jackd after running ./configure > --prefix=/usr (and any other options you want to use) > > Oh, uninstalling is easiest via running "make uninstall" as root from > the jack source directory you installed it from originally. You just > need to do that before selecting a different prefix with "configure". > you were right man, thanks a lot, i did compiled it manually again and did a make uninstall and it was working, simply as that, many thanks. Glauber Alex Dias Prado. > > any help is pretty much appreciated. > > > > Thanks in advance, Glauber Alex Dias Prado. > > > From fbar at footils.org Sun Nov 26 06:53:37 2006 From: fbar at footils.org (Frank Barknecht) Date: Sun Nov 26 06:55:11 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] the reactable In-Reply-To: <4569347A.4050602@boosthardware.com> References: <4569347A.4050602@boosthardware.com> Message-ID: <20061126115337.GD14465@fliwatut.scifi> Hallo, Patrick Shirkey hat gesagt: // Patrick Shirkey wrote: > I first read about this a couple of years back. They have come a long > way. Looks really fun to use now: > > http://mtg.upf.edu/reactable/ It was presented at this year's LAC as well. It's a nice device, and the best thing is, that the software and all that is open sourced, so you can build your own version as well. (GEM for Pd directly supports the patterns on the cubes as well.) Ciao -- Frank Barknecht _ ______footils.org_ __goto10.org__ From cannam at all-day-breakfast.com Sun Nov 26 13:45:02 2006 From: cannam at all-day-breakfast.com (Chris Cannam) Date: Sun Nov 26 13:47:16 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] linux sapler bombs when adjusting note lengths in rosegarden In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200611261845.03085.cannam@all-day-breakfast.com> On Monday 20 Nov 2006 16:32, Tim Howard wrote: > Almost every time I start to trigger notes in the matrix editor in > Rosegarden (latest stable version) with the output routed to > LinuxSampler, the LS engine has a seg fault. I have no idea which > program is at fault, though. Both of them are. This happens because a bug in RG causes it to send a NOTE OFF event with a pitch that's valid in an ALSA sequencer event but outside the MIDI range, and a bug in LS causes it to crash when it receives it. This has been fixed in both programs' version control trees. There won't be a release of Rosegarden with the fix in it for a little while yet, but there was a new unstable release of LinuxSampler just this weekend which I would guess has the fix (I haven't checked). You only need a fixed version of either one of the programs to avoid the crash. Chris From forest at alittletooquiet.net Sun Nov 26 19:55:07 2006 From: forest at alittletooquiet.net (Forest Bond) Date: Sun Nov 26 19:55:17 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] snd-ls: help with selections Message-ID: <20061127005507.GB6349@storm.local.network> Hello, I am using snd-ls 0.9.7.12. I have searched through documentation, and fail to see how I can define the end point of a selection started with C-space. Am I missing something? I would like to move the cursor into position, press C-space, move the cursor to a new position, and press some key to have the selection end there. I am expecting to see a high-lighted selection at the end of that process. How do I do this? It's such a simple thing, yet I can't find any info anywhere? BTW, I am not an emacs user. Perhaps things would be clearer to me if I was. (I'd be terribly interested in a vim-like snd, BTW, if anyone knows anything). thanks, Forest -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Digital signature Url : http://music.columbia.edu/pipermail/linux-audio-user/attachments/20061126/30151942/attachment.bin From glauberalex at uol.com.br Sun Nov 26 22:00:53 2006 From: glauberalex at uol.com.br (glauber alex dias prado) Date: Sun Nov 26 22:01:18 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] the reactable In-Reply-To: <20061126115337.GD14465@fliwatut.scifi> References: <4569347A.4050602@boosthardware.com> <20061126115337.GD14465@fliwatut.scifi> Message-ID: <1164596454.14729.5.camel@gredesk> Em Dom, 2006-11-26 ?s 12:53 +0100, Frank Barknecht escreveu: > Hallo, > Patrick Shirkey hat gesagt: // Patrick Shirkey wrote: > > > I first read about this a couple of years back. They have come a long > > way. Looks really fun to use now: > > > > http://mtg.upf.edu/reactable/ > > It was presented at this year's LAC as well. It's a nice device, and > the best thing is, that the software and all that is open sourced, so > you can build your own version as well. (GEM for Pd directly supports > the patterns on the cubes as well.) > > Ciao Impressive to say the least, is that all done trough imaging processing? like the only hardware is a computer, a camera and a projector? From rlrevell at joe-job.com Mon Nov 27 01:52:58 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Mon Nov 27 01:53:07 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [ANN] Aldrin 0.7 (Vulture) In-Reply-To: <1164486112.10270.27.camel@localhost> References: <1164481641.10270.15.camel@localhost> <20061125205749.9fqpby3rogk4w8go@apo33.org> <1164486112.10270.27.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <1164610379.18847.250.camel@mindpipe> On Sat, 2006-11-25 at 21:21 +0100, Leonard Ritter wrote: > Hi Joker, > > thank you for the praise :) > > On Sat, 2006-11-25 at 20:57 +0100, joke@apo33.org wrote: > > in Alsa mode, when you are manipulate the machines you have cut in the > > sound, like interruption... my kernel is a basic one but is it related > > to the kernel? > > It is related to portaudio v19, which does not make any effort to boost > the ALSA threads scheduling. As a result, the thread gets equal cpu time > as any other thread. Of course, this is unbearable. > Don't have the source handy but IIRC older PA versions did this? Anyway, if PA's ALSA backend already creates a separate audio thread, this could be trivial to fix... Lee From rlrevell at joe-job.com Mon Nov 27 01:55:36 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Mon Nov 27 01:55:24 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] the reactable In-Reply-To: <20061126115337.GD14465@fliwatut.scifi> References: <4569347A.4050602@boosthardware.com> <20061126115337.GD14465@fliwatut.scifi> Message-ID: <1164610537.18847.255.camel@mindpipe> On Sun, 2006-11-26 at 12:53 +0100, Frank Barknecht wrote: > Hallo, > Patrick Shirkey hat gesagt: // Patrick Shirkey wrote: > > > I first read about this a couple of years back. They have come a long > > way. Looks really fun to use now: > > > > http://mtg.upf.edu/reactable/ > > It was presented at this year's LAC as well. It's a nice device, and > the best thing is, that the software and all that is open sourced, so > you can build your own version as well. (GEM for Pd directly supports > the patterns on the cubes as well.) Is there video of that performance available anywhere? I was setting up for the jam and missed it. Everyone I talked to who saw it was blown away. Lee From fbar at footils.org Mon Nov 27 03:50:25 2006 From: fbar at footils.org (Frank Barknecht) Date: Mon Nov 27 03:51:21 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] the reactable In-Reply-To: <1164596454.14729.5.camel@gredesk> References: <4569347A.4050602@boosthardware.com> <20061126115337.GD14465@fliwatut.scifi> <1164596454.14729.5.camel@gredesk> Message-ID: <20061127085025.GD14756@fliwatut.scifi> Hallo, glauber alex dias prado hat gesagt: // glauber alex dias prado wrote: > Impressive to say the least, is that all done trough imaging processing? > like the only hardware is a computer, a camera and a projector? Basically yes. (You could do without a projector actually.) Additionally you need the cubes which are printed with special patterns (Fiducials) so that their positions and rotations can be read correctly. You could then for example use the "reacTIVision" software to read from a V4L-device and generate OSC-messages according to the patterns that have been recognized, or use the [pix_fiducialtrack] object to analyze a video stream with fiducials in Pd/Gem. Ciao -- Frank Barknecht _ ______footils.org_ __goto10.org__ From pw_lists at slinkp.com Mon Nov 27 10:27:07 2006 From: pw_lists at slinkp.com (Paul Winkler) Date: Mon Nov 27 10:41:08 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Linux/Ogg compatible audio player In-Reply-To: <200611251529.37014.cucullin@wtfisthat.net> References: <1164316106.20586.4.camel@eviltwin> <1164345111.20639.7.camel@localhost> <20061124123056.GP1864@gmail.com> <200611251529.37014.cucullin@wtfisthat.net> Message-ID: <20061127152707.GB9333@slinkp.com> On Sat, Nov 25, 2006 at 03:29:36PM -0500, Joseph M. Gaffney wrote: > I just received my Cowon A2 PMP, 30GB model, on last Monday. I've been > scoping these out for quite some time, and I'm VERY hapy with my A2 :) Looks very interesting. I can't seem to find out: does it have a mic-level input for recording? or only line-level? -- Paul Winkler http://www.slinkp.com From cucullin at wtfisthat.net Mon Nov 27 11:51:54 2006 From: cucullin at wtfisthat.net (Joseph M. Gaffney) Date: Mon Nov 27 11:52:13 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Linux/Ogg compatible audio player In-Reply-To: <20061127152707.GB9333@slinkp.com> References: <1164316106.20586.4.camel@eviltwin> <200611251529.37014.cucullin@wtfisthat.net> <20061127152707.GB9333@slinkp.com> Message-ID: <200611271151.55587.cucullin@wtfisthat.net> On Monday 27 November 2006 10:27, Paul Winkler wrote: > On Sat, Nov 25, 2006 at 03:29:36PM -0500, Joseph M. Gaffney wrote: > > I just received my Cowon A2 PMP, 30GB model, on last Monday. I've been > > scoping these out for quite some time, and I'm VERY hapy with my A2 :) > > Looks very interesting. > I can't seem to find out: does it have a mic-level input for recording? > or only line-level? It has a built-in microphone which I haven't tried yet - other than that, line level input only, yes. -Joseph M. Gaffney From atte.jensen at gmail.com Mon Nov 27 12:32:39 2006 From: atte.jensen at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?B?QXR0ZSBBbmRyw6kgSmVuc2Vu?=) Date: Mon Nov 27 12:33:09 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] the reactable In-Reply-To: <20061126115337.GD14465@fliwatut.scifi> References: <4569347A.4050602@boosthardware.com> <20061126115337.GD14465@fliwatut.scifi> Message-ID: <456B2137.7060201@gmail.com> Frank Barknecht wrote: > It was presented at this year's LAC as well. It's a nice device, and > the best thing is, that the software and all that is open sourced, so > you can build your own version as well. Are you sure about that: http://sourceforge.net/forum/forum.php?thread_id=1617511&forum_id=515398 I'd love to build one.... BTW: http://www.jamespatten.com/audiopad/ also looks quite interesting, a bit bit higher level it seems from the videos... -- peace, love & harmony Atte http://www.atte.dk | quintet: http://www.anagrammer.dk | compositions: http://www.atte.dk/compositions From markus at herhoffer.net Mon Nov 27 12:43:02 2006 From: markus at herhoffer.net (Markus Herhoffer) Date: Mon Nov 27 12:43:40 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Dirty hack: netmounting /dev/dsp Message-ID: <456B23A6.2000908@herhoffer.net> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA256 Hello! I wanted to know if it was possible to mount the /dev/dsp of my pc via netmount on another system. So I tried it out - and it worked. If I do # cat /dev/urandom > /mnt/net/pc_2/dev/dsp the soundcard on the remote pc produces a white noise. But I could not figure out how to play wav/pcm files through this dirty "Streaming API". Any ideas? Piping the stdout of mplayer doesn't work. Markus -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFFayOmuXdsp50C0vMRCE46AJ9GNa1ITibka4zzhvHnAJ9C1WvdfQCfSUQL 9cRCEK7p/L9COQ4jgMVKzkc= =j4Yd -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From robin at gareus.org Mon Nov 27 13:17:26 2006 From: robin at gareus.org (Robin Gareus) Date: Mon Nov 27 13:17:53 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Dirty hack: netmounting /dev/dsp In-Reply-To: <456B23A6.2000908@herhoffer.net> References: <456B23A6.2000908@herhoffer.net> Message-ID: <456B2B80.1050708@gareus.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Markus Herhoffer wrote: > Hello! > > I wanted to know if it was possible to mount the /dev/dsp of my pc via > netmount on another system. So I tried it out - and it worked. If I do > > # cat /dev/urandom > /mnt/net/pc_2/dev/dsp > > the soundcard on the remote pc produces a white noise. But I could not > figure out how to play wav/pcm files through this dirty "Streaming API". > Any ideas? Piping the stdout of mplayer doesn't work. Did you try to pipe it thu sox(1). mplayer just can't guess the device format correctly. AFAIR /dev/dsp defaults to 8bit 8kHz mono Maybe you are looking for rplay-server / rplay-client or a wireless headphone, but netmount is surely more fun. cheers, robin -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFFayt/eVUk8U+VK0IRAit4AJ4mWQyrQxQ92jxYSWEHktROOfxFPwCfScbJ 67xjg0r0rkCo9O1FDeFCq5E= =BHlk -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From fbar at footils.org Mon Nov 27 14:17:00 2006 From: fbar at footils.org (Frank Barknecht) Date: Mon Nov 27 14:18:09 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] the reactable In-Reply-To: <456B2137.7060201@gmail.com> References: <4569347A.4050602@boosthardware.com> <20061126115337.GD14465@fliwatut.scifi> <456B2137.7060201@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20061127191700.GM14756@fliwatut.scifi> Hallo, Atte Andr? Jensen hat gesagt: // Atte Andr? Jensen wrote: > Frank Barknecht wrote: > > >It was presented at this year's LAC as well. It's a nice device, and > >the best thing is, that the software and all that is open sourced, so > >you can build your own version as well. > > Are you sure about that: > > http://sourceforge.net/forum/forum.php?thread_id=1617511&forum_id=515398 > > I'd love to build one.... Well, of course the reacTable itself is an ongoing, not yet finished project, but the basic fiducial stuff is freely available, and that's a major component. The dynamic patcher system they use in the current reacTable, which is still derived from Pd AFAIK, is still in development as well and not yet released. A very early version was presented at the pd~convention 2004, here's the paper: http://puredata.info/community/projects/convention04/lectures/tk-geiger/ there also are pictures of the prototype somewhere on that site and in the Pd book "bang" as well. Dynamic patching in Pd can be realized in various ways, you don't have to do it the reacTable way, so that shouldn't stop anyone from bulding a custom reacTable-like interface. And you don't need to use Pd, of course, as the reacTIVision software generates OSC. Ciao -- Frank Barknecht _ ______footils.org_ __goto10.org__ From tdhoward at gmail.com Mon Nov 27 14:33:54 2006 From: tdhoward at gmail.com (Tim Howard) Date: Mon Nov 27 14:34:11 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] linux sapler bombs when adjusting note lengths in rosegarden In-Reply-To: <200611261845.03085.cannam@all-day-breakfast.com> References: <200611261845.03085.cannam@all-day-breakfast.com> Message-ID: > This has been fixed in both programs' version control trees. There > won't be a release of Rosegarden with the fix in it for a little while > yet, but there was a new unstable release of LinuxSampler just this > weekend which I would guess has the fix (I haven't checked). You only > need a fixed version of either one of the programs to avoid the crash. > > > Chris Cool, thanks for the info! -TimH From b0ef at esben-stien.name Mon Nov 27 20:40:58 2006 From: b0ef at esben-stien.name (Esben Stien) Date: Mon Nov 27 18:53:09 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] VOIP and JACK In-Reply-To: <87y7qymy3o.fsf@esben-stien.name> (Esben Stien's message of "Mon, 30 Oct 2006 01:44:11 +0100") References: <87y7qymy3o.fsf@esben-stien.name> Message-ID: <87zmacgxg5.fsf@esben-stien.name> Esben Stien writes: > I found twinkle softphone to work very well with oss2jack. Well, not that well. In fact, less well than kphone, so I'm moving back to kphone/oss2jack, which has less hickups with desktop activity. -- Esben Stien is b0ef@e s a http://www. s t n m irc://irc. b - i . e/%23contact sip:b0ef@ e e jid:b0ef@ n n From dominic.sacre at gmx.de Mon Nov 27 19:18:07 2006 From: dominic.sacre at gmx.de (Dominic =?iso-8859-1?q?Sacr=E9?=) Date: Mon Nov 27 19:19:43 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [ANN] jack_oscrolloscope 0.2 In-Reply-To: References: <200611200053.06585.dominic.sacre@gmx.de> <20061122120516.GB5941@linux-1.site> Message-ID: <200611280118.07041.dominic.sacre@gmx.de> On Wednesday 22 November 2006 16:36, Jesse Chappell wrote: > Yes, the key to fast (efficient) scrolling is to use a pixel copying > routine (glCopyPixels is the GL equivalent) then draw only the new > data. The copying routines are hardware accelerated by the display > driver. Unfortunately, it turned out that SDL drawing on X11 is not hardware accelerated at all (which is a shame really), so there's not much I can do about that. As for GL, glCopyPixels seems to be very slow with most common drivers... Anyway here's version 0.2, using a textured quad for GL drawing, if possible. For now, this requires a fairly recent driver which supports the framebuffer objects extension, otherwise it will fall back to the old drawing method. http://das.nasophon.de/jack_oscrolloscope/ Dominic From dsbaikov at gmail.com Mon Nov 27 19:34:03 2006 From: dsbaikov at gmail.com (Dmitry Baikov) Date: Mon Nov 27 19:34:11 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [ANN] jack_oscrolloscope 0.2 In-Reply-To: <200611280118.07041.dominic.sacre@gmx.de> References: <200611200053.06585.dominic.sacre@gmx.de> <20061122120516.GB5941@linux-1.site> <200611280118.07041.dominic.sacre@gmx.de> Message-ID: <70a871c80611271634s4dd9953al800655759da9f19a@mail.gmail.com> On 11/28/06, Dominic Sacr? wrote: > Anyway here's version 0.2, using a textured quad for GL drawing, if > possible. For now, this requires a fairly recent driver which supports > the framebuffer objects extension, otherwise it will fall back to the old > drawing method. You can easily make it without FBO: update only one row in texture at a time (it's more efficient than a column) and use texture matrix for scrolling. This way it will work fast even with software opengl. Regards, Dmitry. From _ at whats-your.name Mon Nov 27 20:16:37 2006 From: _ at whats-your.name (carmen) Date: Mon Nov 27 20:17:56 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] VOIP and JACK In-Reply-To: <87zmacgxg5.fsf@esben-stien.name> References: <87y7qymy3o.fsf@esben-stien.name> <87zmacgxg5.fsf@esben-stien.name> Message-ID: <20061128011637.GD27008@replic.net> On Tue Nov 28, 2006 at 02:40:58AM +0100, Esben Stien wrote: > Esben Stien writes: > > > I found twinkle softphone to work very well with oss2jack. > > Well, not that well. In fact, less well than kphone, so I'm moving > back to kphone/oss2jack, which has less hickups with desktop activity. ekiga works great with this asound.conf: pcm.!default { type plug slave { pcm "jack" } } pcm.jack { type jack playback_ports { 0 alsa_pcm:playback_1 1 alsa_pcm:playback_2 } capture_ports { 0 alsa_pcm:capture_1 1 alsa_pcm:capture_2 } } plus it doesnt require KDE or OSS.. > > -- > Esben Stien is b0ef@e s a > http://www. s t n m > irc://irc. b - i . e/%23contact > sip:b0ef@ e e > jid:b0ef@ n n > From chris at mccormick.cx Tue Nov 28 02:51:15 2006 From: chris at mccormick.cx (Chris McCormick) Date: Tue Nov 28 03:06:29 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Software recommendation Message-ID: <20061128075115.GA32161@mccormick.cx> Hi All, This is a request for information about which bit(s) of software people would recommend for a particular musical workflow. I build my synthesizers in Puredata and I have an uc33 controller to do knob tweaking via midi. This Christmas my girlfriend is getting me a USB midi keyboard and I'd like to start writing some 'live' tracks using that. Puredata's strong point is not sequencing and notation, so what I need is an application that I can send midi notes and controller data through, which will remember them and pass them on to Puredata. Ideally I could go back after playing a track live, and shift notes around, modify controller envelopes etc. I am happy to do something like use vmidi loopbacks or whatever. I'm on Debian and my preference is for something that won't pull in too many wacky dependencies, but please don't let that stop you suggesting something. I use Fluxbox and mostly Gtk based apps. Thanks very much for your time! Best, Chris. ------------------- chris@mccormick.cx http://mccormick.cx From jamesmstone at gmail.com Tue Nov 28 03:31:47 2006 From: jamesmstone at gmail.com (James Stone) Date: Tue Nov 28 03:32:30 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Software recommendation In-Reply-To: <20061128075115.GA32161@mccormick.cx> References: <20061128075115.GA32161@mccormick.cx> Message-ID: <20061128083147.GA5805@moon.base> On Tue, Nov 28, 2006 at 03:51:15PM +0800, Chris McCormick wrote: > Hi All, > > This is a request for information about which bit(s) of software > people would recommend for a particular musical workflow. I build > my synthesizers in Puredata and I have an uc33 controller to do knob > tweaking via midi. This Christmas my girlfriend is getting me a USB > midi keyboard and I'd like to start writing some 'live' tracks using > that. Puredata's strong point is not sequencing and notation, so what > I need is an application that I can send midi notes and controller data > through, which will remember them and pass them on to Puredata. Ideally I > could go back after playing a track live, and shift notes around, modify > controller envelopes etc. I am happy to do something like use vmidi > loopbacks or whatever. I'm on Debian and my preference is for something > that won't pull in too many wacky dependencies, but please don't let that > stop you suggesting something. I use Fluxbox and mostly Gtk based apps. > > Thanks very much for your time! > Seq24 would be my personal preference.. very good for loop-based and live sequencing. Or alternatively Muse or Rosegarden for more cubase/cakewalk-like sequencers. All are available with apt-get. James From b0ef at esben-stien.name Tue Nov 28 06:24:40 2006 From: b0ef at esben-stien.name (Esben Stien) Date: Tue Nov 28 04:36:58 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] VOIP and JACK In-Reply-To: <20061128011637.GD27008@replic.net> (carmen's message of "Mon, 27 Nov 2006 20:16:37 -0500") References: <87y7qymy3o.fsf@esben-stien.name> <87zmacgxg5.fsf@esben-stien.name> <20061128011637.GD27008@replic.net> Message-ID: <87ejrnhkzr.fsf@esben-stien.name> carmen <_@whats-your.name> writes: > ekiga works great (asound.conf) Not when running at 96kHz. -- Esben Stien is b0ef@e s a http://www. s t n m irc://irc. b - i . e/%23contact sip:b0ef@ e e jid:b0ef@ n n From ivalladolidt at terra.es Tue Nov 28 05:35:24 2006 From: ivalladolidt at terra.es (Ismael Valladolid Torres) Date: Tue Nov 28 05:50:04 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] VOIP and JACK In-Reply-To: <87ejrnhkzr.fsf@esben-stien.name> References: <87y7qymy3o.fsf@esben-stien.name> <87zmacgxg5.fsf@esben-stien.name> <20061128011637.GD27008@replic.net> <87ejrnhkzr.fsf@esben-stien.name> Message-ID: <20061128103524.GC1800@gmail.com> Esben Stien escribe: > carmen <_@whats-your.name> writes: > > > ekiga works great (asound.conf) > > Not when running at 96kHz. > Phone calls at 96kHz, what happened to good old 4kHz!? Cordially, Ismael -- Ismael Valladolid Torres "Il est vain de pleurer sur l'esprit, il suffit de travailler pour lui." Albert Camus http://lamediahostia.blogspot.com/ OpenPGP key ID: 0xDE721AF4 http://www.flickr.com/photos/ivalladt Jabber ID: ivalladt@jabberes.org From tuimonen at cc.hut.fi Tue Nov 28 06:27:14 2006 From: tuimonen at cc.hut.fi (Tommi Sakari Uimonen) Date: Tue Nov 28 06:28:56 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [ANN] Aldrin 0.7 (Vulture) In-Reply-To: <1164486112.10270.27.camel@localhost> References: <1164481641.10270.15.camel@localhost> <20061125205749.9fqpby3rogk4w8go@apo33.org> <1164486112.10270.27.camel@localhost> Message-ID: >> I would like to know what do you mean by 1:1 compatible to jeskola >> Buzz... any buzz machines won't work with Aldrin? what do you mean by >> compatible? > > The wording has been changed just five minutes ago. There are no more > efforts on my side to get buzz binaries working. It is simply not worth > it to keep a corpse alive longer than neccessary. I am steadily porting > the most important and available machines to zzub/Aldrin. To my knowledge, Buzztard can load the original windows BT machines. http://www.buzztard.org/index.php/Technical_How_To#Buzz_Emulation Tommi From b0ef at esben-stien.name Tue Nov 28 10:08:29 2006 From: b0ef at esben-stien.name (Esben Stien) Date: Tue Nov 28 08:20:58 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] VOIP and JACK In-Reply-To: <20061128103524.GC1800@gmail.com> (Ismael Valladolid Torres's message of "Tue, 28 Nov 2006 11:35:24 +0100") References: <87y7qymy3o.fsf@esben-stien.name> <87zmacgxg5.fsf@esben-stien.name> <20061128011637.GD27008@replic.net> <87ejrnhkzr.fsf@esben-stien.name> <20061128103524.GC1800@gmail.com> Message-ID: <873b83hamq.fsf@esben-stien.name> Ismael Valladolid Torres writes: > Phone calls at 96kHz, what happened to good old 4kHz!? Well, I got 10000 jack apps going at 96kHz and I ain't stopping everything to take an inbound call;). -- Esben Stien is b0ef@e s a http://www. s t n m irc://irc. b - i . e/%23contact sip:b0ef@ e e jid:b0ef@ n n From _ at whats-your.name Tue Nov 28 09:09:07 2006 From: _ at whats-your.name (carmen) Date: Tue Nov 28 09:09:26 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] VOIP and JACK In-Reply-To: <873b83hamq.fsf@esben-stien.name> References: <87y7qymy3o.fsf@esben-stien.name> <87zmacgxg5.fsf@esben-stien.name> <20061128011637.GD27008@replic.net> <87ejrnhkzr.fsf@esben-stien.name> <20061128103524.GC1800@gmail.com> <873b83hamq.fsf@esben-stien.name> Message-ID: <20061128140907.GE27008@replic.net> On Tue Nov 28, 2006 at 04:08:29PM +0100, Esben Stien wrote: > Ismael Valladolid Torres writes: > > > Phone calls at 96kHz, what happened to good old 4kHz!? > > Well, I got 10000 jack apps going at 96kHz and I ain't stopping > everything to take an inbound call;). you sure plug:jack entry cant be decorated with some resample directives? > > -- > Esben Stien is b0ef@e s a > http://www. s t n m > irc://irc. b - i . e/%23contact > sip:b0ef@ e e > jid:b0ef@ n n > From ivalladolidt at terra.es Tue Nov 28 09:21:59 2006 From: ivalladolidt at terra.es (Ismael Valladolid Torres) Date: Tue Nov 28 09:22:26 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] VOIP and JACK In-Reply-To: <873b83hamq.fsf@esben-stien.name> References: <87y7qymy3o.fsf@esben-stien.name> <87zmacgxg5.fsf@esben-stien.name> <20061128011637.GD27008@replic.net> <87ejrnhkzr.fsf@esben-stien.name> <20061128103524.GC1800@gmail.com> <873b83hamq.fsf@esben-stien.name> Message-ID: <20061128142159.GH1800@gmail.com> Esben Stien escribe: > I got 10000 jack apps going at 96kHz That's what I would *never* call minimalism, then... ;) I'd love to hear your, ehm... Music! Cordially, Ismael -- Ismael Valladolid Torres "Il est vain de pleurer sur l'esprit, il suffit de travailler pour lui." Albert Camus http://lamediahostia.blogspot.com/ OpenPGP key ID: 0xDE721AF4 http://www.flickr.com/photos/ivalladt Jabber ID: ivalladt@jabberes.org From contact at leonard-ritter.com Tue Nov 28 11:03:18 2006 From: contact at leonard-ritter.com (Leonard Ritter) Date: Tue Nov 28 11:11:58 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [ANN] Aldrin 0.7 (Vulture) In-Reply-To: References: <1164481641.10270.15.camel@localhost> <20061125205749.9fqpby3rogk4w8go@apo33.org> <1164486112.10270.27.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <1164729798.6513.18.camel@localhost> On Tue, 2006-11-28 at 13:27 +0200, Tommi Sakari Uimonen wrote: > To my knowledge, Buzztard can load the original windows BT machines. i played with the sources when i started the project. i wasn't able to get it to run. -- Leonard Ritter -- Freelance Art & Logic -- http://www.leonard-ritter.com From capocasa at gmx.net Tue Nov 28 11:19:01 2006 From: capocasa at gmx.net (Carlo Capocasa) Date: Tue Nov 28 11:21:15 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Pre-Amp hum (related to jack, somehow) Message-ID: The irony of this is killing me. I had a singing capacitor in my notebook computer, which I was able to solve using a load generator at a low scheduling priority. However, that same capacitor is what had triggered me to get a higher-end sound card in the first place. Now this higher end sound card has quite a loud hum when the phantom power for its mic pre-amps is on. Interestingly, when I mix the signals from both pre-amps by connecting them both to the same outputs in JACK, the noises from the Mics cancel each other out. The load generator has no influence on the hum; however, the sampling rate does. The higher the sampling rate the higher pitched the hum is. The inverse is true for buffer size: The larger the buffer, the lower pitched the hum. My current theory is this: Jack causes a surge of power in the CPU through an interrupt. This surge gets transformed into current in the grounding cable through electromagnetic induction, which in turn induces a current in the microphone pre-amps, which causes the hum. The hums can cancel each other out because... uh, not the slightest on that one. Help appreciated. Carlo From musound at jps.net Tue Nov 28 12:18:55 2006 From: musound at jps.net (Sean Bolton) Date: Tue Nov 28 12:16:39 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [ANN] ghostess 20061127 release Message-ID: <3c3cc7820fed509bb29e2b6b7aa08b24@jps.net> Announcing the latest release of ghostess, a lightweight Gtk+ host for DSSI plugins: http://home.jps.net/~musound/ghostess-20061127.tar.gz New in this release: - bug fixes, build enhancements and code cleanups. - code to export patch lists to Freewheeling. - support for the latest JACK MIDI transport. - blinky lights indicating MIDI activity. ghostess is written by Sean Bolton, and copyright (c)2006 under the GNU General Public License, version 2 or later. DSSI is an audio plugin API for software instruments and effects, based on LADSPA, the ALSA sequencer event types, and OSC (Open Sound Control) communications. Learn more about it here: http://dssi.sourceforge.net/ Enjoy! -Sean From rlrevell at joe-job.com Tue Nov 28 12:25:25 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Tue Nov 28 12:25:27 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Pre-Amp hum (related to jack, somehow) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1164734726.1701.15.camel@mindpipe> On Tue, 2006-11-28 at 17:19 +0100, Carlo Capocasa wrote: > The irony of this is killing me. I had a singing capacitor in my > notebook computer, which I was able to solve using a load generator at a > low scheduling priority. However, that same capacitor is what had > triggered me to get a higher-end sound card in the first place. > It sounds like your machine might just be too cheaply made to do high quality audio. Lee From yves at jazzcomputer.org Tue Nov 28 12:43:51 2006 From: yves at jazzcomputer.org (Yves Potin) Date: Tue Nov 28 12:44:08 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [ANN] ghostess 20061127 release In-Reply-To: <3c3cc7820fed509bb29e2b6b7aa08b24@jps.net> References: <3c3cc7820fed509bb29e2b6b7aa08b24@jps.net> Message-ID: <20061128174351.GC7132@localhost> Le 28 Nov ? 09:18, Sean Bolton ecrivait: > Announcing the latest release of ghostess, a lightweight > Gtk+ host for DSSI plugins: I haven't heard about ghostess before, it compiles like a charm, very convenient way to launch and use whysynth, among others. Thanks a lot :). Y. From gnome at hawaii.rr.com Tue Nov 28 12:45:13 2006 From: gnome at hawaii.rr.com (david) Date: Tue Nov 28 12:45:28 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Pre-Amp hum (related to jack, somehow) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <456C75A9.7090302@hawaii.rr.com> Carlo Capocasa wrote: > The irony of this is killing me. I had a singing capacitor in my > notebook computer, which I was able to solve using a load generator at a > low scheduling priority. However, that same capacitor is what had > triggered me to get a higher-end sound card in the first place. > > Now this higher end sound card has quite a loud hum when the phantom > power for its mic pre-amps is on. Interestingly, when I mix the signals > from both pre-amps by connecting them both to the same outputs in JACK, > the noises from the Mics cancel each other out. Sounds like a defective sound card to me. Can you still get warranty service on it? Chances are they'll readily swap it for a new one. Or you still have somewhere in your setup a grounding problem ... Just guessing, haven't any real knowledge myself. -- David gnome@hawaii.rr.com authenticity, honesty, community From ka1iic at prexar.com Tue Nov 28 15:13:26 2006 From: ka1iic at prexar.com (Vince Werber) Date: Tue Nov 28 15:13:28 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Pre-Amp hum (related to jack, somehow) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: The individuals 'hums' can cancel each other out when mixed iff.. both hums are 180 degrees out of phase with each other and are of the same type and intensity... The terms 'singing capacitor' has been keeping me out of this discussion... perhaps the correct phase should be 'microphonic' capacitor? The only time I have known a capactitor to sing is via 1,000 plus volts and the cap is dried out and is well into a need for replacement... the term explosion works here... :-) A 'microphonic' capactor is noticable from vibrations from an outside source that causes the cap to 'ring' In any sense though both conditions come from inferrior components,,, ie... dried up floor sweepings... vince ka1iic@prexar.com > The irony of this is killing me. I had a singing capacitor in my > notebook computer, which I was able to solve using a load generator at a > low scheduling priority. However, that same capacitor is what had > triggered me to get a higher-end sound card in the first place. > > Now this higher end sound card has quite a loud hum when the phantom > power for its mic pre-amps is on. Interestingly, when I mix the signals > from both pre-amps by connecting them both to the same outputs in JACK, > the noises from the Mics cancel each other out. > > The load generator has no influence on the hum; however, the sampling > rate does. The higher the sampling rate the higher pitched the hum is. > The inverse is true for buffer size: The larger the buffer, the lower > pitched the hum. > > My current theory is this: Jack causes a surge of power in the CPU > through an interrupt. This surge gets transformed into current in the > grounding cable through electromagnetic induction, which in turn induces > a current in the microphone pre-amps, which causes the hum. The hums can > cancel each other out because... uh, not the slightest on that one. > > Help appreciated. > > Carlo > From capocasa at gmx.net Tue Nov 28 15:38:15 2006 From: capocasa at gmx.net (Carlo Capocasa) Date: Tue Nov 28 15:39:05 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Software recommendation In-Reply-To: <20061128075115.GA32161@mccormick.cx> References: <20061128075115.GA32161@mccormick.cx> Message-ID: > This is a request for information about which bit(s) of software > people would recommend for a particular musical workflow. I build > my synthesizers in Puredata and I have an uc33 controller to do knob > tweaking via midi. This Christmas my girlfriend is getting me a USB > midi keyboard and I'd like to start writing some 'live' tracks using > that. Puredata's strong point is not sequencing and notation, so what > I need is an application that I can send midi notes and controller data > through, which will remember them and pass them on to Puredata. Ideally I > could go back after playing a track live, and shift notes around, modify > controller envelopes etc. I am happy to do something like use vmidi > loopbacks or whatever. I'm on Debian and my preference is for something > that won't pull in too many wacky dependencies, but please don't let that > stop you suggesting something. I use Fluxbox and mostly Gtk based apps. I'd also say SEQ24 is your best run for your time. GTK, very lean, very simplistic. Does what you want. One drawback: Sequence lengths cannot be arbitrary, 1,2,4,8,16,32 or 64 bars. If this is a showstopper I would recommend writing to the author (or starting a campaign for people to write to the author) and ask for that. The next closest bet would be Rosegarden, but that's a full-fledged KDE App, which is why I stay away from it. Another option is Jazz++, which is fairly good but doesn't get a lot of press for some reason. It's cross-platform but fairly lightweight on linux. Still, I'd love to see Seq24 implement arbitrary sequence lengths myself... and it's such an exceptional program in how useful it is and how simple it is at the same time. Carlo From capocasa at gmx.net Tue Nov 28 15:43:36 2006 From: capocasa at gmx.net (Carlo Capocasa) Date: Tue Nov 28 15:44:35 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: usb2200a In-Reply-To: <4564CA38.3040803@gmail.com> References: <4564CA38.3040803@gmail.com> Message-ID: I can only say I tried the Samson C01U which works under linux, which is at least some evendince that your microphone COULD work. From _ at whats-your.name Tue Nov 28 15:54:50 2006 From: _ at whats-your.name (carmen) Date: Tue Nov 28 15:55:05 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Software recommendation In-Reply-To: References: <20061128075115.GA32161@mccormick.cx> Message-ID: <20061128205450.GA11101@replic.net> > Puredata's strong point is not sequencing and notation, sure but then neither is it the forte of linux audio software in general. for sequencing i definitely dig Pd+Tk a lot more than eithe seq24 or Dino, since youve got full access to the data for further massaging/accessing in unconventional ways without being bound to a clicky-clicky GTK workflow.. and arent bound to MIDI-enforced notions of what is a track, what is a folder of tracks, what is a region, etc.. http://replic.net/~ix/pr/seq.png for note/part editing, http://replic.net/~ix/pr/lg.gif for streaming control-data. just grab /extensions/gui/ix/{mat,lg}.wid and [widget]..plug the xlets into PDContainer, Pool, or the storage of your choice and get editing...using del, metro, pipe, or what have you for playback.. > > so what > > I need is an application that I can send midi notes and controller data > > through, which will remember them and pass them on to Puredata for this i like rradical-style figure-8 abstraction to timestamp events and shuttle them onto storage - you can alligator-clip them anywhere in a patch, instead of having to keep track of midiout's and range remapping into/out-of midi and the subsequent resolution loss.. cheers, c From rj at spamatica.se Tue Nov 28 16:33:31 2006 From: rj at spamatica.se (Robert Jonsson) Date: Tue Nov 28 16:33:39 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Software recommendation In-Reply-To: References: <20061128075115.GA32161@mccormick.cx> Message-ID: <200611282233.31591.rj@spamatica.se> Hi guys, <...> > I'd also say SEQ24 is your best run for your time. GTK, very lean, very > simplistic. Does what you want. One drawback: Sequence lengths cannot be > arbitrary, 1,2,4,8,16,32 or 64 bars. If this is a showstopper I would > recommend writing to the author (or starting a campaign for people to > write to the author) and ask for that. > > The next closest bet would be Rosegarden, but that's a full-fledged KDE > App, which is why I stay away from it. > > Another option is Jazz++, which is fairly good but doesn't get a lot of > press for some reason. It's cross-platform but fairly lightweight on linux. > > Still, I'd love to see Seq24 implement arbitrary sequence lengths > myself... and it's such an exceptional program in how useful it is and > how simple it is at the same time. It's that time of year again, I feel like trying to push the word about MusE some... Any particular reason why you'd find MusE to be a bad solution for this? Being a MusE developer and long time user, I'm merely asking as to understand what other users lack in MusE that we might fix to make it better (apart from mediocre publicity...). This questions is definately not just directed at Carlo. Regards, Robert > > Carlo -- http://spamatica.se/musicsite/ From rj at spamatica.se Tue Nov 28 16:36:57 2006 From: rj at spamatica.se (Robert Jonsson) Date: Tue Nov 28 16:36:56 2006 Subject: Hijacking, Re: [linux-audio-user] Re: Software recommendation In-Reply-To: <200611282233.31591.rj@spamatica.se> References: <20061128075115.GA32161@mccormick.cx> <200611282233.31591.rj@spamatica.se> Message-ID: <200611282236.58094.rj@spamatica.se> And very sorry for hijacking the thread... I should know better. On Tuesday 28 November 2006 22:33, Robert Jonsson wrote: > Hi guys, From pw_lists at slinkp.com Tue Nov 28 17:12:40 2006 From: pw_lists at slinkp.com (Paul Winkler) Date: Tue Nov 28 17:13:08 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Software recommendation In-Reply-To: References: <20061128075115.GA32161@mccormick.cx> Message-ID: <20061128221240.GA10699@slinkp.com> On Tue, Nov 28, 2006 at 09:38:15PM +0100, Carlo Capocasa wrote: > Another option is Jazz++, which is fairly good but doesn't get a lot of > press for some reason. It's cross-platform but fairly lightweight on linux. Is that getting maintained lately? I haven't tried it in several years and back then I wasn't fond of it. I'm curious how it looks lately. -- Paul Winkler http://www.slinkp.com From lanas at securenet.net Tue Nov 28 17:26:43 2006 From: lanas at securenet.net (lanas) Date: Tue Nov 28 17:25:45 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Making audio CDs - a simple way Message-ID: <20061128172643.65950646@mistral.stie> Folks, Not too long ago I've asked about how to make audio CDs. I was given a hint about how to generate a TOC, complete with an example and a link to one of Ardour's option that does something in the same vein. I then kinda of remembered that a few years ago I did some audio CDs and never had to write anything like this or even be remotely with TOCs and such. So it went to the backburner and came back today. After a little research I found this simple way for making audio CDs from ogg files (I guess .wav @ 44.1 KHz from Ardour can be used, but have not tested it so far). Here goes the recipe, assuming 44.1 KHz ogg files: 1) Make a new directory and copy all ogg files in there. 2) Convert ogg to wav (ex. with loop1.ogg) ogg123 -d oss -d wav -f loop1.wav loop1.ogg (a simple bash script can handle that) 3) Erase all ogg files from this directory 4) Blank the CD-RW (if needed) (example using SuSE's way for devices) cdrecord dev=ATA:1,0,0 -eject -v blank=all 5) Check the total size of files and be sure not to exceed CD's capacity 6) Make the CD (again, SuSE's way for devices) cdrecord -pad -v dev=ATA:1,0,0 -eject -dao *.wav 7) Enjoy on CD players that can play CD-RW discs. You can also use CD-R discs for players that do not handle CD-RW. I guess what the TOC file adds, is the ability for capable CD players to display the name of the tune, the authors, etc... Cheers, Al From capocasa at gmx.net Tue Nov 28 18:34:13 2006 From: capocasa at gmx.net (Carlo Capocasa) Date: Tue Nov 28 18:35:53 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Software recommendation In-Reply-To: <20061128221240.GA10699@slinkp.com> References: <20061128075115.GA32161@mccormick.cx> <20061128221240.GA10699@slinkp.com> Message-ID: > Is that getting maintained lately? I haven't tried it in several years > and back then I wasn't fond of it. I'm curious how it looks lately. No idea. Tried it and it did what it said. I prefer Seq24 too because it does have a certain 'cult' feel about it. Carlo From cesare at poeticstudios.com Tue Nov 28 19:37:48 2006 From: cesare at poeticstudios.com (Cesare Marilungo) Date: Tue Nov 28 18:38:52 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Software recommendation In-Reply-To: <200611282233.31591.rj@spamatica.se> References: <20061128075115.GA32161@mccormick.cx> <200611282233.31591.rj@spamatica.se> Message-ID: <456CD65C.4050301@poeticstudios.com> Robert Jonsson wrote: > Hi guys, > > <...> > >> I'd also say SEQ24 is your best run for your time. GTK, very lean, very >> simplistic. Does what you want. One drawback: Sequence lengths cannot be >> arbitrary, 1,2,4,8,16,32 or 64 bars. If this is a showstopper I would >> recommend writing to the author (or starting a campaign for people to >> write to the author) and ask for that. >> >> The next closest bet would be Rosegarden, but that's a full-fledged KDE >> App, which is why I stay away from it. >> >> Another option is Jazz++, which is fairly good but doesn't get a lot of >> press for some reason. It's cross-platform but fairly lightweight on linux. >> >> Still, I'd love to see Seq24 implement arbitrary sequence lengths >> myself... and it's such an exceptional program in how useful it is and >> how simple it is at the same time. >> > > It's that time of year again, I feel like trying to push the word about MusE > some... > > Any particular reason why you'd find MusE to be a bad solution for this? > > Being a MusE developer and long time user, I'm merely asking as to understand > what other users lack in MusE that we might fix to make it better (apart from > mediocre publicity...). > Hi Robert, for me Muse is a very nice sequencer. I use both Muse and Rosegarden, alternately , since I like to follow the development of both. I'm really looking forward to see the envelopes for automating effect paramenters. Cheers, c. > This questions is definately not just directed at Carlo. > > Regards, > Robert > > >> Carlo >> > > -- http://www.cesaremarilungo.com From cesare at poeticstudios.com Tue Nov 28 19:48:50 2006 From: cesare at poeticstudios.com (Cesare Marilungo) Date: Tue Nov 28 18:49:57 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Software recommendation In-Reply-To: References: <20061128075115.GA32161@mccormick.cx> <20061128221240.GA10699@slinkp.com> Message-ID: <456CD8F2.6080101@poeticstudios.com> Carlo Capocasa wrote: >> Is that getting maintained lately? I haven't tried it in several years >> and back then I wasn't fond of it. I'm curious how it looks lately. >> > > No idea. Tried it and it did what it said. I prefer Seq24 too because it > does have a certain 'cult' feel about it. > Maybe you meant to say 'cool'? :-) Developers take notice! Make your software in black and white if you want it to be successful. ;-) c. > Carlo > > > > -- http://www.cesaremarilungo.com From yves at jazzcomputer.org Tue Nov 28 19:35:31 2006 From: yves at jazzcomputer.org (Yves Potin) Date: Tue Nov 28 19:36:14 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Software recommendation In-Reply-To: <200611282233.31591.rj@spamatica.se> References: <20061128075115.GA32161@mccormick.cx> <200611282233.31591.rj@spamatica.se> Message-ID: <20061129003531.GD7132@localhost> Le 28 Nov ? 22:33, Robert Jonsson ecrivait: > > Being a MusE developer and long time user, I'm merely asking as to understand > what other users lack in MusE that we might fix to make it better (apart from > mediocre publicity...). Hi Robert. I only use MuSE for composing what I try to do, and I'm quite happy with it. As you're asking, maybe some improvements on the MIDI editors could be made, for example a better access to the various controllers inside the piano roll, and a quick and simple way to center the view on the playhead after zooming. And also a better way to arrange parts and structure inside the arranger. But MuSE remains a very fine software for me. Don't integrate the KDE libs inside of it :). Yves, about to switch to the O.9 version. From chris at mccormick.cx Tue Nov 28 21:34:08 2006 From: chris at mccormick.cx (Chris McCormick) Date: Tue Nov 28 21:56:04 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Software recommendation In-Reply-To: <20061128205450.GA11101@replic.net> References: <20061128075115.GA32161@mccormick.cx> <20061128205450.GA11101@replic.net> Message-ID: <20061129023408.GH16906@mccormick.cx> Hi Carmen, On Tue, Nov 28, 2006 at 03:54:50PM -0500, carmen wrote: > > Puredata's strong point is not sequencing and notation, > > sure but then neither is it the forte of linux audio software in general. for sequencing i definitely dig Pd+Tk a lot more than eithe seq24 or Dino, since youve got full access to the data for further massaging/accessing in unconventional ways without being bound to a clicky-clicky GTK workflow.. and arent bound to MIDI-enforced notions of what is a track, what is a folder of tracks, what is a region, etc.. > > http://replic.net/~ix/pr/seq.png for note/part editing, http://replic.net/~ix/pr/lg.gif for streaming control-data. just grab /extensions/gui/ix/{mat,lg}.wid and [widget]..plug the xlets into PDContainer, Pool, or the storage of your choice and get editing...using del, metro, pipe, or what have you for playback.. Those screenshots look awesome. I have used Purdata for sequencing stuff myself, and have created abstractions for doing all kinds of envelope stuff and written two CDs worth of tunes in just Puredata with no additional software. I think I understand it's raw power by now. :) For this project though, I *want* to be bound to MIDI-enforced notions of what is a track, what is a folder of tracks, what is a region, etc.. I don't want to have full access to the data for further massaging/accessing. I want to sit down and just play without having to spend ages patching together permanancy solutions with my right brain whilst playing music with my left brain. I am trying something different that I've never tried before, and pure Pd is not useful for what I want to do here (though it is useful for a lot of other music I write). > > > so what > > > I need is an application that I can send midi notes and controller data > > > through, which will remember them and pass them on to Puredata > > for this i like rradical-style figure-8 abstraction to timestamp events and shuttle them onto storage - you can alligator-clip them anywhere in a patch, instead of having to keep track of midiout's and range remapping into/out-of midi and the subsequent resolution loss.. That's cool; I use something very similar when do I knob-tweaking-experimental-algorithmic-music and it's lots of fun! Thanks for taking the time to reply. Best, Chris. ------------------- chris@mccormick.cx http://mccormick.cx From chris at mccormick.cx Tue Nov 28 21:37:33 2006 From: chris at mccormick.cx (Chris McCormick) Date: Tue Nov 28 21:57:10 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Software recommendation In-Reply-To: <200611282233.31591.rj@spamatica.se> References: <20061128075115.GA32161@mccormick.cx> <200611282233.31591.rj@spamatica.se> Message-ID: <20061129023733.GI16906@mccormick.cx> On Tue, Nov 28, 2006 at 10:33:31PM +0100, Robert Jonsson wrote: > It's that time of year again, I feel like trying to push the word about MusE > some... > > Any particular reason why you'd find MusE to be a bad solution for this? Hi Robert, MusE looks like a great app, but from the website it was not immediately obvious to me that it can do MIDI stuff at all. I only looked briefly at the websites of each bit of software I'm evaluation, so I might have missed something, but I couldn't really see how it could be used to accomplish the task I want to accomplish. For example, the features page says nothing about midi sequencing, record, and playback, which is primarly what I'm looking to do. Best, Chris. ------------------- chris@mccormick.cx http://mccormick.cx From chris at mccormick.cx Tue Nov 28 21:43:15 2006 From: chris at mccormick.cx (Chris McCormick) Date: Tue Nov 28 22:00:57 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Software recommendation In-Reply-To: References: <20061128075115.GA32161@mccormick.cx> Message-ID: <20061129024315.GJ16906@mccormick.cx> On Tue, Nov 28, 2006 at 09:38:15PM +0100, Carlo Capocasa wrote: > I'd also say SEQ24 is your best run for your time. GTK, very lean, very > simplistic. Does what you want. One drawback: Sequence lengths cannot be > arbitrary, 1,2,4,8,16,32 or 64 bars. If this is a showstopper I would > recommend writing to the author (or starting a campaign for people to > write to the author) and ask for that. I had another look at Seq24 after James posted about it. I've actually hooked it up to Puredata before, and it was fun to play with, but I hadn't realised that it had an inbuilt song structure arrangement facility. That is really wonderful and hence Seq24 looks like my choice for this project. I might take the next few days before the keyboard arrives to hack the code a bit and put in the ability for arbitrary length sequences. > Another option is Jazz++, which is fairly good but doesn't get a lot of > press for some reason. It's cross-platform but fairly lightweight on linux. Looks good. Weird that I can't apt-get install it in Debian. Maybe if they had screenshots on their website it would get more attention. I'll probably compile this one and give it a run. > Still, I'd love to see Seq24 implement arbitrary sequence lengths > myself... and it's such an exceptional program in how useful it is and > how simple it is at the same time. Yeah it really seems to strike that balance wonderfully! Chris. ------------------- chris@mccormick.cx http://mccormick.cx From k.s.matheussen at notam02.no Tue Nov 28 22:10:03 2006 From: k.s.matheussen at notam02.no (Kjetil S. Matheussen) Date: Tue Nov 28 22:10:55 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Re: Software recommendation In-Reply-To: <20061129025710.B885746701B5@music.columbia.edu> References: <20061129025710.B885746701B5@music.columbia.edu> Message-ID: Yves Potin: > > Le 28 Nov ? 22:33, Robert Jonsson ecrivait: >> >> Being a MusE developer and long time user, I'm merely asking as to understand >> what other users lack in MusE that we might fix to make it better (apart from >> mediocre publicity...). > > Hi Robert. > I only use MuSE for composing what I try to do, and I'm quite > happy with it. As you're asking, maybe some improvements on the MIDI > editors could be made, for example a better access to the various > controllers inside the piano roll, and a quick and simple way to center > the view on the playhead after zooming. And also a better way to arrange > parts and structure inside the arranger. > But MuSE remains a very fine software for me. Don't integrate the > KDE libs inside of it :). > Another program, with even more mediocre publicity, is radium. The editor is more like a tracker than a piano-roll and it got full graphical MIDI controller automation and lots of other stuff. It has no sequencer built in though. http://www.notam02.no/radium/ From k.s.matheussen at notam02.no Tue Nov 28 22:35:45 2006 From: k.s.matheussen at notam02.no (Kjetil S. Matheussen) Date: Tue Nov 28 22:36:37 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: snd-ls: help with selections In-Reply-To: <20061127173309.5E08145CE48D@music.columbia.edu> References: <20061127173309.5E08145CE48D@music.columbia.edu> Message-ID: Forest Bond: > > Hello, > > I am using snd-ls 0.9.7.12. I have searched through documentation, and fail to > see how I can define the end point of a selection started with C-space. Am I > missing something? I would like to move the cursor into position, press > C-space, move the cursor to a new position, and press some key to have the > selection end there. I am expecting to see a high-lighted selection at the end > of that process. > > How do I do this? It's such a simple thing, yet I can't find any info anywhere? > I don't know if theres anything built in, but its relatively easy to add a keybinding to do it yourself. To let C-space select both start and end of selection plus cancel it, put the following lines into your .snd-ls file: (bind-key (char->integer #\ ) 4 (let ((selstart #f)) (lambda () (let ((set-selstart! (lambda () (report-in-minibuffer (format #f "Selection start at ~A" (cursor))) (set! selstart (cursor))))) (if (c-selection?) (begin (set! (selection-member? #t) #f) (set-selstart!)) (if selstart (begin (c-set-selection! (c-selected-sound) 0 (min selstart (cursor)) (max selstart (cursor))) (report-in-minibuffer "") (set! selstart #f)) (set-selstart!))))))) (load-from-path "snd_conffile.scm") > BTW, I am not an emacs user. Perhaps things would be clearer to me if I was. > (I'd be terribly interested in a vim-like snd, BTW, if anyone knows anything). > I'm sure it would be possible to customize snd to become more like vim. From Stuart.Allie at hydro.com.au Tue Nov 28 23:29:55 2006 From: Stuart.Allie at hydro.com.au (Stuart Allie) Date: Tue Nov 28 23:31:34 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Useful trackball Message-ID: <125CC89D8E2DC84DA44D81259837675201418E17@swhexprod.hydrotasmania.com.au> Hi all, Just thought I'd share this with you. I recently got one of these trackballs: http://www.amazon.com/Kensington-Expert-Mouse-Optical-Trackball/dp/B0000 9KH63 The cool feature here is the scroll ring around the ball. It works like a scroll wheel, but you turn it like a knob. If your software responds to mouse wheel messages in a sensible way, then you can use this ring as a very tactile knob for controlling things. I have "dial/knob"-like controls in my experimental ecasound front-end and using this scroll ring thingy works really well with that. Just thought some people might be interested. It works really well as a day-to-day mouse too - much easier on the wrists. Cheers, Stuart From badmuthahubbard at gmail.com Wed Nov 29 01:27:15 2006 From: badmuthahubbard at gmail.com (Chuckk Hubbard) Date: Wed Nov 29 01:27:24 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Real-time kernel Message-ID: <8200bab70611282227q1e4fb296j1118c8681f664996@mail.gmail.com> Where is a guide to doing this? I tried this: http://tapas.affenbande.org/?page_id=6 with patch-2.6.19-rc6-rt9 and linux-2.6.19-rc6.tar.gz. Won't boot. I get various messages... I wanted to ask, is there something I can post, and where, to show what is wrong with my configuration? One thing I get repeatedly is "hda_codec invalid_dep_range". I get lots of hits on google- of people asking the same question. The only kernel I have working is not real-time, and jack can't keep up. I see lots of references to how low-latency operation is well understood, but it seems everything changes very quickly and none of the references I can find are definitive. I tried this before, and came away deciding people with deadlines don't use Linux; a real-time kernel has proven to be a pipe dream for me. I have two weeks until the end of the semester and lots of music to do, but I'd still like to use Linux for it. I'm running a laptop with a 2 Ghz AMD64. Any help is appreciated. Thanks. -Chuckk -- "Far and away the best prize that life has to offer is the chance to work hard at work worth doing." -Theodore Roosevelt From atte.jensen at gmail.com Wed Nov 29 02:26:01 2006 From: atte.jensen at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Atte_Andr=E9_Jensen?=) Date: Wed Nov 29 02:26:10 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Real-time kernel In-Reply-To: <8200bab70611282227q1e4fb296j1118c8681f664996@mail.gmail.com> References: <8200bab70611282227q1e4fb296j1118c8681f664996@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <456D3609.5040606@gmail.com> Chuckk Hubbard wrote: > Where is a guide to doing this? http://demudi.agnula.org/wiki/Low-latencyKernelBuildingHowto A bit debian specific, but should prove useful. I'd advise you to start from the .config of your running kernel, otherwise it's gonna be a long journey. > I have two weeks until the end of the semester and lots of music > to do, but I'd still like to use Linux for it. Since this is your first time, I wouldn't bet my money having your own kernel *and* doing much work on it in two weeks. There are always small things that needs fixing... -- peace, love & harmony Atte http://www.atte.dk | quintet: http://www.anagrammer.dk | compositions: http://www.atte.dk/compositions From ciccolix at tiscalinet.it Wed Nov 29 03:01:27 2006 From: ciccolix at tiscalinet.it (ciccolix) Date: Wed Nov 29 03:01:44 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] ubuntu kernel Message-ID: <456D3E57.20100@tiscalinet.it> Hi all, from little I try to use ubuntu, before I used slack. Where is possible to find a lowlat patched kernel for ubuntu ? thanks -- Lazzaro From badmuthahubbard at gmail.com Wed Nov 29 03:04:31 2006 From: badmuthahubbard at gmail.com (Chuckk Hubbard) Date: Wed Nov 29 03:05:16 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Real-time kernel In-Reply-To: <456D3609.5040606@gmail.com> References: <8200bab70611282227q1e4fb296j1118c8681f664996@mail.gmail.com> <456D3609.5040606@gmail.com> Message-ID: <8200bab70611290004m3b6f0ea0sd6d506913700f2a2@mail.gmail.com> On 11/29/06, Atte Andr? Jensen wrote: > Chuckk Hubbard wrote: > > > Where is a guide to doing this? > > http://demudi.agnula.org/wiki/Low-latencyKernelBuildingHowto > > A bit debian specific, but should prove useful. Forgot to mention I'm using Debian. Great, though, this page was the first thing I tried. It worked as far as booting the kernel, but my latency was horrible. I have read that the patches mentioned in it are considered obsolete, and that simply having libpam patched to be rlimits-aware is sufficient. I have some libpam files for i386, but I'm on AMD64 now and I'm not sure what to do. > > I'd advise you to start from the .config of your running kernel, > otherwise it's gonna be a long journey. Yeah, I was doing that too. > > > I have two weeks until the end of the semester and lots of music > > to do, but I'd still like to use Linux for it. > > Since this is your first time, I wouldn't bet my money having your own > kernel *and* doing much work on it in two weeks. There are always small > things that needs fixing... Not exactly my first time, it just hasn't been working. I'd even settle for a standard Debian kernel, if I could run audio on it reliably. -Chuckk From v2 at iki.fi Wed Nov 29 04:12:37 2006 From: v2 at iki.fi (Sampo Savolainen) Date: Wed Nov 29 04:12:58 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Making audio CDs - a simple way Message-ID: <1164791557.456d4f05d1f21@www2.helsinki.fi> Quoting lanas : > Folks, > > Not too long ago I've asked about how to make audio CDs. > ... Hi, Nice command line approach. I must be getting lazier with age as I prefer this: Applications->Sound & Video->Serpentine Audio CD Creator Drag ogg's into Serpentine Press "Write to Disc" This is not meant as a smug response to a well written script alternative, but more a testament to how the Gnome developers have succeeded in making this so simple. Sampo From fbar at footils.org Wed Nov 29 04:12:25 2006 From: fbar at footils.org (Frank Barknecht) Date: Wed Nov 29 04:14:09 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Real-time kernel In-Reply-To: <8200bab70611290004m3b6f0ea0sd6d506913700f2a2@mail.gmail.com> References: <8200bab70611282227q1e4fb296j1118c8681f664996@mail.gmail.com> <456D3609.5040606@gmail.com> <8200bab70611290004m3b6f0ea0sd6d506913700f2a2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20061129091225.GG26384@fliwatut.scifi> Hallo, Chuckk Hubbard hat gesagt: // Chuckk Hubbard wrote: > Forgot to mention I'm using Debian. Great, though, this page was the > first thing I tried. It worked as far as booting the kernel, but my > latency was horrible. I have read that the patches mentioned in it > are considered obsolete, and that simply having libpam patched to be > rlimits-aware is sufficient. I have some libpam files for i386, but > I'm on AMD64 now and I'm not sure what to do. You don't seem to have a way to let jackd run with elevated priority yet. This should be your first priority, because even with a realtime kernel you will get horrible latencies, unless you fix that. (IMO not a lot of people really need a RT-patched kernel nowawadays.) So you should first install *and configure* a rtlimits-enables libpam or use the set_limits command line app to start jackd, if you cannot find one. But Ubuntu should have a libpam even for AMD64. (Btw: Do you really want to run AMD64?) Ciao -- Frank Barknecht _ ______footils.org_ __goto10.org__ From rj at spamatica.se Wed Nov 29 04:52:14 2006 From: rj at spamatica.se (rj@spamatica.se) Date: Wed Nov 29 04:52:36 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Software recommendation In-Reply-To: <20061129003531.GD7132@localhost> References: <20061128075115.GA32161@mccormick.cx> <200611282233.31591.rj@spamatica.se> <20061129003531.GD7132@localhost> Message-ID: <456D584E.3050409@spamatica.se> Yves Potin skrev: > Le 28 Nov ? 22:33, Robert Jonsson ecrivait: > >> Being a MusE developer and long time user, I'm merely asking as to understand >> what other users lack in MusE that we might fix to make it better (apart from >> mediocre publicity...). >> > > Hi Robert. > I only use MuSE for composing what I try to do, and I'm quite > happy with it. As you're asking, maybe some improvements on the MIDI > editors could be made, for example a better access to the various > controllers inside the piano roll, Could you give some example? > and a quick and simple way to center > the view on the playhead after zooming. Indeed, this is akward. > And also a better way to arrange > parts and structure inside the arranger. > Could you give som examples of what you mean? Regards, Robert > But MuSE remains a very fine software for me. Don't integrate the > KDE libs inside of it :). > > > > Yves, about to switch to the O.9 version. > From rj at spamatica.se Wed Nov 29 04:53:37 2006 From: rj at spamatica.se (rj@spamatica.se) Date: Wed Nov 29 04:54:02 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Software recommendation In-Reply-To: <20061129023733.GI16906@mccormick.cx> References: <20061128075115.GA32161@mccormick.cx> <200611282233.31591.rj@spamatica.se> <20061129023733.GI16906@mccormick.cx> Message-ID: <456D58A1.9030802@spamatica.se> Chris McCormick skrev: > On Tue, Nov 28, 2006 at 10:33:31PM +0100, Robert Jonsson wrote: > >> It's that time of year again, I feel like trying to push the word about MusE >> some... >> >> Any particular reason why you'd find MusE to be a bad solution for this? >> > > Hi Robert, > > MusE looks like a great app, but from the website it was not immediately > obvious to me that it can do MIDI stuff at all. I only looked briefly > at the websites of each bit of software I'm evaluation, so I might > have missed something, but I couldn't really see how it could be used > to accomplish the task I want to accomplish. For example, the features > page says nothing about midi sequencing, record, and playback, which > is primarly what I'm looking to do. > Ok. For the record it is definitely a midi sequencer. Looking at the page it is actually written there, did you look at http://muse-sequencer.org ? Perhaps it could be more obvious.. Regards, Robert > Best, > > Chris. > > ------------------- > chris@mccormick.cx > http://mccormick.cx > From J.M.Needham at bath.ac.uk Wed Nov 29 05:17:41 2006 From: J.M.Needham at bath.ac.uk (J M Needham) Date: Wed Nov 29 05:18:38 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Realtiem kernel. Message-ID: I found http://repos.opensuse.org/home:/appleonkel/SUSE_Linux_10.1/i586/kernel-rt-default-2.6.18-8.5.i586.rpm on the internet while looking for info on how to patch a realtime kernel in suse 10.1. I'm having some problems with it (it didn't boot; I used rpm -i ... to install it) and so if anyone has any experience with this or advice for SUSE 10.1 (I'm leaving suse soon anyway -- heading to DeMuDi) then I'd appreciate. I understand that patching a kernel for suse 10.1 with a realtime patch is non-trivial. Any help appreciated. Jonty From lala.land at freenet.de Wed Nov 29 05:27:28 2006 From: lala.land at freenet.de (lala) Date: Wed Nov 29 05:26:38 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Realtiem kernel. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <456D6090.5020607@freenet.de> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 J M Needham schrieb: > I found > http://repos.opensuse.org/home:/appleonkel/SUSE_Linux_10.1/i586/kernel-rt-default-2.6.18-8.5.i586.rpm > on the internet while looking for info on how to patch a realtime kernel > in suse 10.1. I'm having some problems with it (it didn't boot; I used rpm > -i ... to install it) and so if anyone has any experience with this or > advice for SUSE 10.1 (I'm leaving suse soon anyway -- heading to DeMuDi) > then I'd appreciate. I understand that patching a kernel for suse 10.1 > with a realtime patch is non-trivial. > > Any help appreciated. > Jonty > > > try http://jacklab.net greetz -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFFbWCPI2s6na0vU1cRAju+AJ9zabes3/2poaER2Sjv08pCNa2DhACggZD4 KgU0Gh92UJZP+ehSROMJv5E= =pHbc -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From yves at jazzcomputer.org Wed Nov 29 05:39:15 2006 From: yves at jazzcomputer.org (Yves Potin) Date: Wed Nov 29 05:39:23 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Software recommendation In-Reply-To: <456D584E.3050409@spamatica.se> References: <20061128075115.GA32161@mccormick.cx> <200611282233.31591.rj@spamatica.se> <20061129003531.GD7132@localhost> <456D584E.3050409@spamatica.se> Message-ID: <20061129103915.GE7132@localhost> Le 29 Nov ? 10:52, rj@spamatica.se ecrivait: [Access to controllers] > Could you give some example? Yes. I'd like to add, even manually, any kind of controller from inside the piano roll. Actually (version 0.8.1a), for example with pitch bend, if I click on the ctrl button, then Sel, all I see is Velocity, pan, program and main volume, and a button to add a new controller. If I choose this one, I have never found how to specify that I want the sustain pedal, the modulation or the pitch bend, or whatever. The only trick I've found to insert a pitch bend event manually is to record some pitch events on the part to see, then, the pitch events appear on the ? Sel ? menu with the little green light lit. The Crtl button available on the list panel behaves the same, if I click on ? create new controller ?, none is available. [Manipulate the parts] > Could you give som examples of what you mean? Yes :). I'm talking about the ? Structure ? menu. I'd like to insert four bars between bar 16 and 17, and find exactly the song I had before, with a white space between these bars (or the parts more longer with an empty space in them). And also the possibility to suppress all that is between bar 32 and 36, to find everything that was beyond bar 36 pasted after bar 32. And finally being sure to move (or copy) any number of parts manually (not with the keyboards shortcuts) *in a really reliable way*, especially if these parts are the last ones of the song (and the same thing on an editor, when the notes are the last ones of the whole track, because of a long time known bug AFAIK). This being said, I keep on saying that MuSE remains for me the really best sequencer available in the Linux world, after having testing others intensively. Best, Y. From nickmurtagh at gmail.com Wed Nov 29 05:43:11 2006 From: nickmurtagh at gmail.com (Nick Murtagh) Date: Wed Nov 29 05:43:22 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Making audio CDs - a simple way In-Reply-To: <1164791557.456d4f05d1f21@www2.helsinki.fi> References: <1164791557.456d4f05d1f21@www2.helsinki.fi> Message-ID: <9768a1c60611290243w55ae4929l50e8f1c13aa42d46@mail.gmail.com> On 11/29/06, Sampo Savolainen wrote: > This is not meant as a smug response to a well written script alternative, > but more a testament to how the Gnome developers have succeeded in making > this so simple. On my setup (Ubunty Edgy) it's even easier: Put in a blank CD A dialog pops up - click "Make Audio CD" Drag .wav files into the box Edit track names etc (for CD Text I presume?) Click Burn From v2 at iki.fi Wed Nov 29 05:54:52 2006 From: v2 at iki.fi (Sampo Savolainen) Date: Wed Nov 29 05:55:08 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Making audio CDs - a simple way Message-ID: <1164797692.456d66fc1621b@www2.helsinki.fi> Quoting Nick Murtagh : > On 11/29/06, Sampo Savolainen wrote: > > This is not meant as a smug response to a well written script > alternative, > > but more a testament to how the Gnome developers have succeeded in > making > > this so simple. > > On my setup (Ubunty Edgy) it's even easier: > > Put in a blank CD > A dialog pops up - click "Make Audio CD" > Drag .wav files into the box Correction: Drag files of /any/ gstreamer supported file format into the box. You can even drag video files there! I assume it takes the audio from the videos and burns that to the disc. > Edit track names etc (for CD Text I presume?) > Click Burn Sampo From lau at ballen.fastmail.fm Wed Nov 29 05:55:14 2006 From: lau at ballen.fastmail.fm (Bill Allen) Date: Wed Nov 29 05:56:03 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Real-time kernel In-Reply-To: <8200bab70611282227q1e4fb296j1118c8681f664996@mail.gmail.com> References: <8200bab70611282227q1e4fb296j1118c8681f664996@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <456D6712.1000802@ballen.fastmail.fm> Chuckk Hubbard wrote: > Where is a guide to doing this? > I tried this: > http://tapas.affenbande.org/?page_id=6 > > with patch-2.6.19-rc6-rt9 and linux-2.6.19-rc6.tar.gz. > Won't boot. I get various messages... I wanted to ask, is there > something I can post, and where, to show what is wrong with my > configuration? > One thing I get repeatedly is "hda_codec invalid_dep_range". I get > lots of hits on google- of people asking the same question. > > The only kernel I have working is not real-time, and jack can't keep > up. I see lots of references to how low-latency operation is well > understood, but it seems everything changes very quickly and none of > the references I can find are definitive. > I tried this before, and came away deciding people with deadlines > don't use Linux; a real-time kernel has proven to be a pipe dream for > me. I have two weeks until the end of the semester and lots of music > to do, but I'd still like to use Linux for it. > I'm running a laptop with a 2 Ghz AMD64. Any help is appreciated. > > Thanks. > -Chuckk > 64Studio.com does exactly what you want. Real-time AMD64 with all the applications tuned to the distribution. From nickmurtagh at gmail.com Wed Nov 29 05:57:05 2006 From: nickmurtagh at gmail.com (Nick Murtagh) Date: Wed Nov 29 05:57:59 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Making audio CDs - a simple way In-Reply-To: <1164797692.456d66fc1621b@www2.helsinki.fi> References: <1164797692.456d66fc1621b@www2.helsinki.fi> Message-ID: <9768a1c60611290257j2d9b32f3id09c59ec01dc95d1@mail.gmail.com> On 11/29/06, Sampo Savolainen wrote: > Correction: Drag files of /any/ gstreamer supported file format into the > box. You can even drag video files there! I assume it takes the audio from > the videos and burns that to the disc. I suspected as much, but never tried it. Cool! From cesare at poeticstudios.com Wed Nov 29 07:11:09 2006 From: cesare at poeticstudios.com (Cesare Marilungo) Date: Wed Nov 29 06:13:08 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Software recommendation In-Reply-To: <20061128205450.GA11101@replic.net> References: <20061128075115.GA32161@mccormick.cx> <20061128205450.GA11101@replic.net> Message-ID: <456D78DD.8000808@poeticstudios.com> carmen wrote: >> Puredata's strong point is not sequencing and notation, >> > > sure but then neither is it the forte of linux audio software in general. for sequencing i definitely dig Pd+Tk a lot more than eithe seq24 or Dino, since youve got full access to the data for further massaging/accessing in unconventional ways without being bound to a clicky-clicky GTK workflow.. and arent bound to MIDI-enforced notions of what is a track, what is a folder of tracks, what is a region, etc.. > > http://replic.net/~ix/pr/seq.png for note/part editing, http://replic.net/~ix/pr/lg.gif for streaming control-data. just grab /extensions/gui/ix/{mat,lg}.wid and [widget]..plug the xlets into PDContainer, Pool, or the storage of your choice and get editing...using del, metro, pipe, or what have you for playback.. > Carmen, where is the [widget] external? Can you provide some more instructions to install these awesome stuff? Is there some documentation to extend or write my own widgets? Thanks in advance, c. > >>> so what >>> I need is an application that I can send midi notes and controller data >>> through, which will remember them and pass them on to Puredata >>> > > for this i like rradical-style figure-8 abstraction to timestamp events and shuttle them onto storage - you can alligator-clip them anywhere in a patch, instead of having to keep track of midiout's and range remapping into/out-of midi and the subsequent resolution loss.. > > cheers, > c > > > -- http://www.cesaremarilungo.com From zettberlin at linuxuse.de Wed Nov 29 06:14:01 2006 From: zettberlin at linuxuse.de (Hartmut Noack) Date: Wed Nov 29 06:14:58 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Real-time kernel In-Reply-To: <456D6712.1000802@ballen.fastmail.fm> References: <8200bab70611282227q1e4fb296j1118c8681f664996@mail.gmail.com> <456D6712.1000802@ballen.fastmail.fm> Message-ID: <456D6B79.6020707@linuxuse.de> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Bill Allen schrieb: > Chuckk Hubbard wrote: >> Where is a guide to doing this? >> I tried this: >> http://tapas.affenbande.org/?page_id=6 > 64Studio.com does exactly what you want. Real-time AMD64 with all the > applications tuned to the distribution. > I agree, yet if you want some more desktop-ability and even less work, you can use ubuntu edgy eft plus this kernel: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=261821 yes, this is 32bit, but you can of course install the sources and recompile (whithout the need to patch it yourself) plus: if you have a deadline, you can run the 32bit Version after 1,5h of effort with about 2.8 ms latency and stable (as it works for me so far...) good luck :-) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.3 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFFbWt51Aecwva1SWMRAk4OAJ9JIQsV7oIkyhh7Sp1bKHf2UPqW8QCfZpAp 9cwzJ6xrSMehC0qlR2XGEmQ= =1DM4 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From badmuthahubbard at gmail.com Wed Nov 29 06:20:57 2006 From: badmuthahubbard at gmail.com (Chuckk Hubbard) Date: Wed Nov 29 06:21:03 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Real-time kernel In-Reply-To: <20061129091225.GG26384@fliwatut.scifi> References: <8200bab70611282227q1e4fb296j1118c8681f664996@mail.gmail.com> <456D3609.5040606@gmail.com> <8200bab70611290004m3b6f0ea0sd6d506913700f2a2@mail.gmail.com> <20061129091225.GG26384@fliwatut.scifi> Message-ID: <8200bab70611290320g74bb3db5v156f1f055dede0ab@mail.gmail.com> On 11/29/06, Frank Barknecht wrote: > Hallo, > Chuckk Hubbard hat gesagt: // Chuckk Hubbard wrote: > > > Forgot to mention I'm using Debian. Great, though, this page was the > > first thing I tried. It worked as far as booting the kernel, but my > > latency was horrible. I have read that the patches mentioned in it > > are considered obsolete, and that simply having libpam patched to be > > rlimits-aware is sufficient. I have some libpam files for i386, but > > I'm on AMD64 now and I'm not sure what to do. > > You don't seem to have a way to let jackd run with elevated > priority yet. This should be your first priority, because even with a > realtime kernel you will get horrible latencies, unless you fix that. > (IMO not a lot of people really need a RT-patched kernel nowawadays.) > > So you should first install *and configure* a rtlimits-enables libpam > or use the set_limits command line app to start jackd, if you cannot > find one. But Ubuntu should have a libpam even for AMD64. (Btw: Do you > really want to run AMD64?) So they do. Er... there's a lot of packages here, which do I need? Would I not want to use AMD64? -Chuckk From badmuthahubbard at gmail.com Wed Nov 29 06:24:59 2006 From: badmuthahubbard at gmail.com (Chuckk Hubbard) Date: Wed Nov 29 06:25:19 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Real-time kernel In-Reply-To: <456D6B79.6020707@linuxuse.de> References: <8200bab70611282227q1e4fb296j1118c8681f664996@mail.gmail.com> <456D6712.1000802@ballen.fastmail.fm> <456D6B79.6020707@linuxuse.de> Message-ID: <8200bab70611290324l568b2530v44507505546f0c58@mail.gmail.com> On 11/29/06, Hartmut Noack wrote: > I agree, yet if you want some more desktop-ability and even less work, > you can use ubuntu edgy eft plus this kernel: > > http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=261821 > > yes, this is 32bit, but you can of course install the sources and > recompile (whithout the need to patch it yourself) plus: if you have a > deadline, you can run the 32bit Version after 1,5h of effort with about > 2.8 ms latency and stable (as it works for me so far...) 2.8 what?! So I understand Ubuntu is "based on" Debian. Does that mean it's similar enough to be easy for a Debian user? > good luck :-) I need it at this point. Currently planning to do all my music in Windows until the semester's over... From zettberlin at linuxuse.de Wed Nov 29 06:43:53 2006 From: zettberlin at linuxuse.de (Hartmut Noack) Date: Wed Nov 29 06:44:47 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Software recommendation In-Reply-To: <200611282233.31591.rj@spamatica.se> References: <20061128075115.GA32161@mccormick.cx> <200611282233.31591.rj@spamatica.se> Message-ID: <456D7279.6070803@linuxuse.de> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Robert Jonsson schrieb: > Hi guys, > It's that time of year again, I feel like trying to push the word about MusE > some... > > Any particular reason why you'd find MusE to be a bad solution for this? > > Being a MusE developer and long time user, I'm merely asking as to understand > what other users lack in MusE that we might fix to make it better (apart from > mediocre publicity...). I can understand, that many people prefer Rosegarden as the all-in-one big colorfull intuitive Sequencersuite for Linux. The Scoreeditor is a strong point for many and the builtin synths in Muse are no match for the stuff that RG makes available via dssi (though simpledrums is a very strong point for muse since there is no such app for dssi that i know of). Still I prefer Muse. Since I dont write score, the lack of the editor is no problem for me and the Matrixeditor in RG could be the same as good as the one in Muse but it is not since its predefined settings are unusable for me and everytime, I call it I have to set it manually - the presetting of the Matrixeditor in Muse is much more configurable and more reasonable for me. Setting an instrument for a track is also much easyer in Muse, since you can chose them by their own names instead of the kryptic generic names, RG is offering ("Software Midi Instrument # etc ") Plus: Muse has at least some rudimentary features for Waveediting while RG has only a mere Waveplayer Since you cannot do a vertical resize in RG, it is more or less unusable for exact cuts in Wavetracks. Muse can do that much better though it is of course far from being very good at that also. There are more small things such as the way to define a loop, that I very much prefer in Muse... Since the thread is about editing/recording Midi to send it to soundgenerators i do not think, it is hijacking, if the pros and cons of Midieditors are discussed herein :-) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.3 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFFbXJ51Aecwva1SWMRAjDOAJ9kDQ8fp0DfmuKDEd/i4yfbp85begCfTctt hQvWjPVhuKSoShCjLHV/nfs= =Z0ch -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From zettberlin at linuxuse.de Wed Nov 29 07:09:09 2006 From: zettberlin at linuxuse.de (Hartmut Noack) Date: Wed Nov 29 07:09:38 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Real-time kernel In-Reply-To: <8200bab70611290324l568b2530v44507505546f0c58@mail.gmail.com> References: <8200bab70611282227q1e4fb296j1118c8681f664996@mail.gmail.com> <456D6712.1000802@ballen.fastmail.fm> <456D6B79.6020707@linuxuse.de> <8200bab70611290324l568b2530v44507505546f0c58@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <456D7865.20305@linuxuse.de> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Chuckk Hubbard schrieb: > On 11/29/06, Hartmut Noack wrote: with about >> 2.8 ms latency and stable (as it works for me so far...) > > 2.8 what?! Milliseconds, that is ;-) I got a PIV 2.8 GHz Box with 1Gig RAM and envy24-Sound. Usually I run jackd with 128 F/P and 44100 SR so i get 5.8 and can doo all the desktopstuff (Mozilla, OO, GIMP etc) while i experiment with new ams-patches or give some improvements to arrangements in ardour or test new versions of Muse or RG. If I find the time to work with sound only for 2-3 h I switch to 64 F/P (gives 2.9ms) to have the whole stuff (Ardour, Midi, Synths,FX) working at the same time. And to 32 F/P 96000 SR (0.66ms...) to do stuff with just one synth and record it with qarecord... Jackd runs all day and i usually get about 1-2 xruns/houre, especcially at start up of ZynaddSubFX and caused by smaller bugs in rezound or really insane patches for ams. Still my edgy is not perfectly patched for audio, if I use 5 or more complex instruments with ZynaddSubFX or load very complex ams-patches with more the 4 voices polyphony(and have them played all at the same time) I get lots of xruns. So, as long as I do only "reasonable" stuff like playing 2-3 synthpatches plus working with Ardour and/or Muse and some sampleplaying with specimen at the same time, it works perfectly well for me... > So I understand Ubuntu is "based on" Debian. Does that mean it's > similar enough to be easy for a Debian user? You got all the usual debian-stuff like apt and dpkg as known from Debian, the biggest difference is the useraccount-concept. Like MacOSX there is no active root-account and you (as the normal user) get root-powers via sudo, if you need them. Lots of generic deb-packages work OK in ubuntu, its own repos hold more or less everything, one needs to do music-stuff (Ardour, RG, Muse, SND, Rezound, Zynadd, AMS, OM, H2, PD, Csound, Specimen etc etc etc) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.3 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFFbXhl1Aecwva1SWMRAr0oAJsENfL725ABPo1FMXafaLDJNu1TRACfaYQH 8yQIYA83nQejvf+Xjt3iG/c= =2ttR -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From zettberlin at linuxuse.de Wed Nov 29 07:18:08 2006 From: zettberlin at linuxuse.de (Hartmut Noack) Date: Wed Nov 29 07:18:17 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] ubuntu kernel In-Reply-To: <456D3E57.20100@tiscalinet.it> References: <456D3E57.20100@tiscalinet.it> Message-ID: <456D7A80.1040403@linuxuse.de> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 ciccolix schrieb: > Hi all, > > from little I try to use ubuntu, before I used slack. > Where is possible to find a lowlat patched kernel for ubuntu ? here: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=261821 these are for Dapper, the one for testing works like a charm in my edgy eft... -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.3 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFFbXqA1Aecwva1SWMRAqRFAJ9Svh6GGhANuzXdeQsuYCHvQldzHQCfWrrY r/yqN3pBYHfkbA4aDAQKHqY= =IG1q -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From cesare at poeticstudios.com Wed Nov 29 09:03:18 2006 From: cesare at poeticstudios.com (Cesare Marilungo) Date: Wed Nov 29 08:19:08 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Software recommendation In-Reply-To: <456D78DD.8000808@poeticstudios.com> References: <20061128075115.GA32161@mccormick.cx> <20061128205450.GA11101@replic.net> <456D78DD.8000808@poeticstudios.com> Message-ID: <456D9326.7070609@poeticstudios.com> Cesare Marilungo wrote: > carmen wrote: >>> Puredata's strong point is not sequencing and notation, >>> >> >> sure but then neither is it the forte of linux audio software in >> general. for sequencing i definitely dig Pd+Tk a lot more than eithe >> seq24 or Dino, since youve got full access to the data for further >> massaging/accessing in unconventional ways without being bound to a >> clicky-clicky GTK workflow.. and arent bound to MIDI-enforced notions >> of what is a track, what is a folder of tracks, what is a region, etc.. >> >> http://replic.net/~ix/pr/seq.png for note/part editing, >> http://replic.net/~ix/pr/lg.gif for streaming control-data. just grab >> /extensions/gui/ix/{mat,lg}.wid and [widget]..plug the xlets into >> PDContainer, Pool, or the storage of your choice and get >> editing...using del, metro, pipe, or what have you for playback.. >> > Carmen, where is the [widget] external? > > Can you provide some more instructions to install these awesome stuff? > Is there some documentation to extend or write my own widgets? > > Thanks in advance, > > c. Ok. I've found [widget] in the miXed/toxy and installed everything inside it. Pd should be started with -lib widget, right? Anything else is needed? And how should I use your files? c. >> >>>> so what >>>> I need is an application that I can send midi notes and controller >>>> data >>>> through, which will remember them and pass them on to Puredata >>>> >> >> for this i like rradical-style figure-8 abstraction to timestamp >> events and shuttle them onto storage - you can alligator-clip them >> anywhere in a patch, instead of having to keep track of midiout's and >> range remapping into/out-of midi and the subsequent resolution loss.. >> >> cheers, >> c >> >> >> > > -- http://www.cesaremarilungo.com From georg.holzmann at student.kug.ac.at Wed Nov 29 08:30:30 2006 From: georg.holzmann at student.kug.ac.at (Georg Holzmann) Date: Wed Nov 29 08:37:21 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] hdsploader / changing soundcards Message-ID: <456D8B76.7030204@student.kug.ac.at> Hallo! When I don't have plugged in my RME at bootup, I have sometimes the problem, that hdsploader is not able to upload the firmware onto the device: holzi@holzi:~$ hdsploader hdsploader - firmware loader for RME Hammerfall DSP cards Looking for HDSP + Multiface or Digiface cards : Card 0 : RME Hammerfall DSP at 0x34000000, irq 9 Upload firmware for card hw:0 Hwdep ioctl error on card hw:0 : Input/output error. Card 1 : Intel 82801DB-ICH4 Modem at 0x2400, irq 9 I searched a little bit and found this tip from Esben: http://lalists.stanford.edu/lau/2006/05/0436.html - which also works for me ... So my question, is there also a way to get hdsploader working without plugging out/in the card ? (and without a reboot) Thanks, LG Georg From forest at alittletooquiet.net Wed Nov 29 08:59:16 2006 From: forest at alittletooquiet.net (Forest Bond) Date: Wed Nov 29 08:59:49 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: snd-ls: help with selections In-Reply-To: References: <20061127173309.5E08145CE48D@music.columbia.edu> Message-ID: <20061129135916.GC8303@storm.local.network> On Wed, Nov 29, 2006 at 04:35:45AM +0100, Kjetil S. Matheussen wrote: > Forest Bond: > >I am using snd-ls 0.9.7.12. I have searched through documentation, and > >fail to > >see how I can define the end point of a selection started with C-space. > >Am I > >missing something? I would like to move the cursor into position, press > >C-space, move the cursor to a new position, and press some key to have the > >selection end there. I am expecting to see a high-lighted selection at > >the end > >of that process. > > I don't know if theres anything built in, but its relatively easy to add a > keybinding to do it yourself. > > To let C-space select both start and end of selection plus cancel it, put > the following lines into your .snd-ls file: > > (bind-key (char->integer #\ ) 4 > (let ((selstart #f)) > (lambda () > (let ((set-selstart! (lambda () > (report-in-minibuffer (format #f > "Selection start at ~A" (cursor))) > (set! selstart (cursor))))) > (if (c-selection?) > (begin > (set! (selection-member? #t) #f) > (set-selstart!)) > (if selstart > (begin > (c-set-selection! (c-selected-sound) 0 (min > selstart (cursor)) (max selstart (cursor))) > (report-in-minibuffer "") > (set! selstart #f)) > (set-selstart!))))))) > (load-from-path "snd_conffile.scm") Hmm. I definately wouldn't have come up with that. How do people normally terminate a selection? Or is it just always done with the mouse? 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Like MacOSX > there is no active root-account and you (as the normal user) get > root-powers via sudo, if you need them. That sounds manageable. I'm burning a CD right now, thanks. -Chuckk > Lots of generic deb-packages work OK in ubuntu, its own repos hold more > or less everything, one needs to do music-stuff (Ardour, RG, Muse, SND, > Rezound, Zynadd, AMS, OM, H2, PD, Csound, Specimen etc etc etc) > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.3 (GNU/Linux) > Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org > > iD8DBQFFbXhl1Aecwva1SWMRAr0oAJsENfL725ABPo1FMXafaLDJNu1TRACfaYQH > 8yQIYA83nQejvf+Xjt3iG/c= > =2ttR > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > -- "Far and away the best prize that life has to offer is the chance to work hard at work worth doing." -Theodore Roosevelt From lanas at securenet.net Wed Nov 29 09:39:24 2006 From: lanas at securenet.net (lanas) Date: Wed Nov 29 09:39:07 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Making audio CDs - a simple way In-Reply-To: <1164791557.456d4f05d1f21@www2.helsinki.fi> References: <1164791557.456d4f05d1f21@www2.helsinki.fi> Message-ID: <20061129093924.60116280@mistral.stie> On Wed, 29 Nov 2006 11:12:37 +0200 Sampo Savolainen ?crivait: Hi, > Nice command line approach. I must be getting lazier with age as I > prefer this: > > Applications->Sound & Video->Serpentine Audio CD Creator > > Drag ogg's into Serpentine > > Press "Write to Disc" > > This is not meant as a smug response to a well written script > alternative, but more a testament to how the Gnome developers have > succeeded in making this so simple. It depends. The Serpentine author lists a few packages that have to be installed on Fedora Core 5 (I'm using CCRMA) before installing Serpentine, one of them being the Nautilus python2 CD burner. Which, I'll bet, did not re-invent the wheel and is using in the end the well-known cdrecord utility. So I'm a bit wary about installing five (plus Serpentine itself: 6) packages in order to be able to 'easily' drag and drop files to be burned on CD when I can freeze the process (and basically the exact same functionality) in a simple script file inside a couple of minutes while using what's already installed on the system. I guess you could call me too lazy to bother with the installation of a total of 6 packages just to be able to drag&drop files to be burned on CD ! ;-) And I think I am, too. So let's make a contest of who is the most lazy ! ;-)) Cheers, Al From tech at glastonburymusic.org.uk Wed Nov 29 09:43:26 2006 From: tech at glastonburymusic.org.uk (tim hall) Date: Wed Nov 29 09:44:27 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Real-time kernel In-Reply-To: <8200bab70611290324l568b2530v44507505546f0c58@mail.gmail.com> References: <8200bab70611282227q1e4fb296j1118c8681f664996@mail.gmail.com> <456D6B79.6020707@linuxuse.de> <8200bab70611290324l568b2530v44507505546f0c58@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200611291443.26376.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> On Wednesday 29 November 2006 11:24, Chuckk Hubbard was like: > So I understand Ubuntu is "based on" Debian. ?Does that mean it's > similar enough to be easy for a Debian user? It's similar enough to Debian that it is very easy to frequently forget about the few but very important changes that Ubuntu in their wonderful humanitarian wisdom have decided to make. You may like it. Gives me a flat forehead, personally. -- cheers, tim hall http://glastonburymusic.org.uk/tim We are the people We've been waiting for. From k.s.matheussen at notam02.no Wed Nov 29 09:44:48 2006 From: k.s.matheussen at notam02.no (Kjetil S. Matheussen) Date: Wed Nov 29 09:46:44 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: snd-ls: help with selections In-Reply-To: <20061129135916.GC8303@storm.local.network> References: <20061127173309.5E08145CE48D@music.columbia.edu> <20061129135916.GC8303@storm.local.network> Message-ID: On Wed, 29 Nov 2006, Forest Bond wrote: > On Wed, Nov 29, 2006 at 04:35:45AM +0100, Kjetil S. Matheussen wrote: >> Forest Bond: >>> I am using snd-ls 0.9.7.12. I have searched through documentation, and >>> fail to >>> see how I can define the end point of a selection started with C-space. >>> Am I >>> missing something? I would like to move the cursor into position, press >>> C-space, move the cursor to a new position, and press some key to have the >>> selection end there. I am expecting to see a high-lighted selection at >>> the end >>> of that process. >> >> I don't know if theres anything built in, but its relatively easy to add a >> keybinding to do it yourself. >> >> To let C-space select both start and end of selection plus cancel it, put >> the following lines into your .snd-ls file: >> >> (bind-key (char->integer #\ ) 4 >> (let ((selstart #f)) >> (lambda () >> (let ((set-selstart! (lambda () >> (report-in-minibuffer (format #f >> "Selection start at ~A" (cursor))) >> (set! selstart (cursor))))) >> (if (c-selection?) >> (begin >> (set! (selection-member? #t) #f) >> (set-selstart!)) >> (if selstart >> (begin >> (c-set-selection! (c-selected-sound) 0 (min >> selstart (cursor)) (max selstart (cursor))) >> (report-in-minibuffer "") >> (set! selstart #f)) >> (set-selstart!))))))) >> (load-from-path "snd_conffile.scm") > > Hmm. I definately wouldn't have come up with that. Well. :-) It was ment to be a complete well-working example. You could get away with something like this: (bind-key (char->integer #\n) 4 (lambda () (set! (selection-frames) (- (cursor) (selection-position)))))) but the first one is much better. And this one is even better: (bind-key (char->integer #\ ) 4 (lambda () (let* ((snd (c-selected-sound)) (old-selstart (c-get snd 'c-space-selstart #f)) (new-selstart (cursor))) (cond ((c-selection?) (set! (selection-member? #t) #f)) (old-selstart (c-set-selection! (c-selected-sound) 0 (min old-selstart new-selstart) (max old-selstart new-selstart)) (set! new-selstart! #f))) (report-in-minibuffer (if new-selstart (format #f "Selection starts at ~A" new-selstart) "")) (c-put snd 'c-space-selstart new-selstart))))) > How do people normally > terminate a selection? Or is it just always done with the mouse? Yeah, I just use the mouse. Its not very efficient, but I don't terminate a selection very often. I'm going to add the above code to snd-ls though. > If so, why > have the default C-space binding at all? > Don't know... From dlphillips at woh.rr.com Wed Nov 29 09:58:53 2006 From: dlphillips at woh.rr.com (Dave Phillips) Date: Wed Nov 29 09:51:56 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Making audio CDs - a simple way In-Reply-To: <20061129093924.60116280@mistral.stie> References: <1164791557.456d4f05d1f21@www2.helsinki.fi> <20061129093924.60116280@mistral.stie> Message-ID: <456DA02D.7000404@woh.rr.com> lanas wrote: >So let's make a contest of who is the most lazy ! ;-)) > Gcombust usually does it for me, X-CD-Roast if I want CD-text song titles. Both depend on the cdrecord system. So did I win ? :) Best, dp From dlphillips at woh.rr.com Wed Nov 29 10:03:59 2006 From: dlphillips at woh.rr.com (Dave Phillips) Date: Wed Nov 29 09:56:57 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Real-time kernel In-Reply-To: <8200bab70611290607p382e78b1qa55eee37dd2ca222@mail.gmail.com> References: <8200bab70611282227q1e4fb296j1118c8681f664996@mail.gmail.com> <456D6712.1000802@ballen.fastmail.fm> <456D6B79.6020707@linuxuse.de> <8200bab70611290324l568b2530v44507505546f0c58@mail.gmail.com> <456D7865.20305@linuxuse.de> <8200bab70611290607p382e78b1qa55eee37dd2ca222@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <456DA15F.9010309@woh.rr.com> Chuckk Hubbard wrote: > On 11/29/06, Hartmut Noack wrote: > >> Chuckk Hubbard schrieb: >> >> On 11/29/06, Hartmut Noack wrote: with >> about >> >> 2.8 ms latency and stable (as it works for me so far...) >> > >> > 2.8 what?! >> >> Milliseconds, that is ;-) > > > Right, I was expressing disbelief, or trying to. Believe it. :) I'm running an AMD64 system at sub-6ms latency all the time with no xruns, it's fantastic. I haven't pushed it to a lower setting, but I'll try it eventually. 64Studio, Debian-based, rocks steady. Best, dp From pcoccoli at gmail.com Wed Nov 29 10:09:56 2006 From: pcoccoli at gmail.com (Paul Coccoli) Date: Wed Nov 29 10:10:16 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [ANN] ghostess 20061127 release In-Reply-To: <3c3cc7820fed509bb29e2b6b7aa08b24@jps.net> References: <3c3cc7820fed509bb29e2b6b7aa08b24@jps.net> Message-ID: <8d27a0610611290709o2c1c77d8ib619bb9417dd1d9c@mail.gmail.com> On 11/28/06, Sean Bolton wrote: > Announcing the latest release of ghostess, a lightweight > Gtk+ host for DSSI plugins: > > http://home.jps.net/~musound/ghostess-20061127.tar.gz > > New in this release: > > - bug fixes, build enhancements and code cleanups. > > - code to export patch lists to Freewheeling. > > - support for the latest JACK MIDI transport. > > - blinky lights indicating MIDI activity. > > ghostess is written by Sean Bolton, and copyright (c)2006 under > the GNU General Public License, version 2 or later. > > DSSI is an audio plugin API for software instruments and effects, > based on LADSPA, the ALSA sequencer event types, and OSC (Open > Sound Control) communications. Learn more about it here: > > http://dssi.sourceforge.net/ > > Enjoy! > > -Sean > > You list what's new in this release, but what's old? Does it support LASH? From christhemonkey at gmail.com Wed Nov 29 10:12:26 2006 From: christhemonkey at gmail.com (chris beagles) Date: Wed Nov 29 10:12:45 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Software recommendation In-Reply-To: <456D9326.7070609@poeticstudios.com> References: <20061128075115.GA32161@mccormick.cx> <20061128205450.GA11101@replic.net> <456D78DD.8000808@poeticstudios.com> <456D9326.7070609@poeticstudios.com> Message-ID: <79eea87e0611290712p412de4d7wc412e1d138d35fd0@mail.gmail.com> Carlo Capocasa wrote: >One drawback: Sequence lengths cannot be >arbitrary, 1,2,4,8,16,32 or 64 bars. If this is a showstopper I would >recommend writing to the author (or starting a campaign for people to >write to the author) and ask for that. Am i the only person who can set arbitrary sequence lengths in Seq24? >From 1 bar to 16 bars and then 32 and 64 bars. For me it is in the drop down dialog next to the time signature selection. This is running ubuntu edgy eft. and pretty sure it has been there the entire time i have used the program. Just my thoughts, Chris On 11/29/06, Cesare Marilungo wrote: > Cesare Marilungo wrote: > > carmen wrote: > >>> Puredata's strong point is not sequencing and notation, > >>> > >> > >> sure but then neither is it the forte of linux audio software in > >> general. for sequencing i definitely dig Pd+Tk a lot more than eithe > >> seq24 or Dino, since youve got full access to the data for further > >> massaging/accessing in unconventional ways without being bound to a > >> clicky-clicky GTK workflow.. and arent bound to MIDI-enforced notions > >> of what is a track, what is a folder of tracks, what is a region, etc.. > >> > >> http://replic.net/~ix/pr/seq.png for note/part editing, > >> http://replic.net/~ix/pr/lg.gif for streaming control-data. just grab > >> /extensions/gui/ix/{mat,lg}.wid and [widget]..plug the xlets into > >> PDContainer, Pool, or the storage of your choice and get > >> editing...using del, metro, pipe, or what have you for playback.. > >> > > Carmen, where is the [widget] external? > > > > Can you provide some more instructions to install these awesome stuff? > > Is there some documentation to extend or write my own widgets? > > > > Thanks in advance, > > > > c. > Ok. I've found [widget] in the miXed/toxy and installed everything > inside it. Pd should be started with -lib widget, right? Anything else > is needed? And how should I use your files? > > c. > >> > >>>> so what > >>>> I need is an application that I can send midi notes and controller > >>>> data > >>>> through, which will remember them and pass them on to Puredata > >>>> > >> > >> for this i like rradical-style figure-8 abstraction to timestamp > >> events and shuttle them onto storage - you can alligator-clip them > >> anywhere in a patch, instead of having to keep track of midiout's and > >> range remapping into/out-of midi and the subsequent resolution loss.. > >> > >> cheers, > >> c > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > > -- > http://www.cesaremarilungo.com > > From rlrevell at joe-job.com Wed Nov 29 10:45:17 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Wed Nov 29 10:45:05 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Real-time kernel In-Reply-To: <8200bab70611282227q1e4fb296j1118c8681f664996@mail.gmail.com> References: <8200bab70611282227q1e4fb296j1118c8681f664996@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1164815118.1701.134.camel@mindpipe> On Wed, 2006-11-29 at 01:27 -0500, Chuckk Hubbard wrote: > with patch-2.6.19-rc6-rt9 and linux-2.6.19-rc6.tar.gz. > Won't boot. I get various messages... I wanted to ask, is there > something I can post, and where, to show what is wrong with my > configuration? You're doing nothing wrong, that's just life on the bleeding edge for you. Every time it looks like -rt is stabilizing the developers add a new experimental feature ;-) I agree with other posters - don't try to roll your own, just install 64Studio. If you insist on rolling your own try the last 2.6.17-rt release, it seems to be the most stable of recent versions. Lee From forest at alittletooquiet.net Wed Nov 29 10:47:47 2006 From: forest at alittletooquiet.net (Forest Bond) Date: Wed Nov 29 10:48:00 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Software recommendation In-Reply-To: <79eea87e0611290712p412de4d7wc412e1d138d35fd0@mail.gmail.com> References: <20061128075115.GA32161@mccormick.cx> <20061128205450.GA11101@replic.net> <456D78DD.8000808@poeticstudios.com> <456D9326.7070609@poeticstudios.com> <79eea87e0611290712p412de4d7wc412e1d138d35fd0@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20061129154747.GA9000@storm.local.network> On Wed, Nov 29, 2006 at 03:12:26PM +0000, chris beagles wrote: > Am i the only person who can set arbitrary sequence lengths in Seq24? > >From 1 bar to 16 bars and then 32 and 64 bars. > For me it is in the drop down dialog next to the time signature selection. > This is running ubuntu edgy eft. and pretty sure it has been there the > entire time i have used the program. Hm. That doesn't sound very arbitrary. Sounds more like select powers of two. Can you set the sequence length to 19? -F -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Digital signature Url : http://music.columbia.edu/pipermail/linux-audio-user/attachments/20061129/8bc050c3/attachment.bin From rlrevell at joe-job.com Wed Nov 29 10:54:26 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Wed Nov 29 10:54:30 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Making audio CDs - a simple way In-Reply-To: <1164791557.456d4f05d1f21@www2.helsinki.fi> References: <1164791557.456d4f05d1f21@www2.helsinki.fi> Message-ID: <1164815667.1701.139.camel@mindpipe> On Wed, 2006-11-29 at 11:12 +0200, Sampo Savolainen wrote: > Applications->Sound & Video->Serpentine Audio CD Creator > > Drag ogg's into Serpentine > > Press "Write to Disc" > > > This is not meant as a smug response to a well written script > alternative, > but more a testament to how the Gnome developers have succeeded in > making > this so simple. > Simple and wrong ;-) I just tried it and there seems to be no way to remove the 2 second gap between tracks, which is essential for live performances. Has this been fixed in a later version? Lee From christhemonkey at gmail.com Wed Nov 29 10:57:13 2006 From: christhemonkey at gmail.com (chris beagles) Date: Wed Nov 29 10:57:22 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Software recommendation In-Reply-To: <20061129154747.GA9000@storm.local.network> References: <20061128075115.GA32161@mccormick.cx> <20061128205450.GA11101@replic.net> <456D78DD.8000808@poeticstudios.com> <456D9326.7070609@poeticstudios.com> <79eea87e0611290712p412de4d7wc412e1d138d35fd0@mail.gmail.com> <20061129154747.GA9000@storm.local.network> Message-ID: <79eea87e0611290757lbce513bsb42bcc2c48bd5805@mail.gmail.com> No, but any number between 1 and 16, say 13 bars. If there were many more numbers in the dialog it might drop down too far off the edge of the screen. (i tend to put seq24 in the bottom left of my screen for whatever reason) Chris On 11/29/06, Forest Bond wrote: > On Wed, Nov 29, 2006 at 03:12:26PM +0000, chris beagles wrote: > > Am i the only person who can set arbitrary sequence lengths in Seq24? > > >From 1 bar to 16 bars and then 32 and 64 bars. > > For me it is in the drop down dialog next to the time signature selection. > > This is running ubuntu edgy eft. and pretty sure it has been there the > > entire time i have used the program. > > Hm. That doesn't sound very arbitrary. Sounds more like select powers of two. > > Can you set the sequence length to 19? > > -F > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.3 (GNU/Linux) > > iD8DBQFFbaujRO4fQQdv5AwRAlJvAKCD08LeVpCheG5QpafsYHN55uKrKgCfVhZI > ZuoN47cxoV97sJxHFIJKrAI= > =Orqv > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > From cannam at all-day-breakfast.com Wed Nov 29 11:06:48 2006 From: cannam at all-day-breakfast.com (Chris Cannam) Date: Wed Nov 29 11:06:49 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Software recommendation In-Reply-To: <456D7279.6070803@linuxuse.de> References: <20061128075115.GA32161@mccormick.cx> <200611282233.31591.rj@spamatica.se> <456D7279.6070803@linuxuse.de> Message-ID: <200611291606.48674.cannam@all-day-breakfast.com> On Wednesday 29 Nov 2006 11:43, Hartmut Noack wrote: > [...] the Matrixeditor in RG could be the same as good > as the one in Muse but it is not since its predefined settings are > unusable for me and everytime, I call it I have to set it manually Can you tell me what settings you find you have to change? Chris From TimBlechmann at gmx.net Wed Nov 29 11:28:59 2006 From: TimBlechmann at gmx.net (Tim Blechmann) Date: Wed Nov 29 11:28:57 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] hdsploader / changing soundcards In-Reply-To: <456D8B76.7030204@student.kug.ac.at> References: <456D8B76.7030204@student.kug.ac.at> Message-ID: <1164817739.10622.12.camel@localhost> hi georg, On Wed, 2006-11-29 at 14:30 +0100, Georg Holzmann wrote: > Hallo! > > When I don't have plugged in my RME at bootup, I have sometimes the > problem, that hdsploader is not able to upload the firmware onto the device: > > holzi@holzi:~$ hdsploader > hdsploader - firmware loader for RME Hammerfall DSP cards > Looking for HDSP + Multiface or Digiface cards : > Card 0 : RME Hammerfall DSP at 0x34000000, irq 9 > Upload firmware for card hw:0 > Hwdep ioctl error on card hw:0 : Input/output error. > Card 1 : Intel 82801DB-ICH4 Modem at 0x2400, irq 9 > > I searched a little bit and found this tip from Esben: > http://lalists.stanford.edu/lau/2006/05/0436.html - which also works for > me ... > > So my question, is there also a way to get hdsploader working without > plugging out/in the card ? (and without a reboot) my procedure is usually unloading the snd-hdsp module and modprobing it again. sometimes i have to unplug the firewire cable while unloading the module ... i didn't ran hdsploader for quite some time, though cheers ... tim -- tim@klingt.org ICQ: 96771783 http://www.mokabar.tk There's no such entity as "most people". These are generalities. All generalities are meaningless. You've got to pin it down to a specific person doing a specific thing at a specific time and space. William S. Burroughs -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part Url : http://music.columbia.edu/pipermail/linux-audio-user/attachments/20061129/8328d08a/attachment.bin From markknecht at gmail.com Wed Nov 29 12:00:20 2006 From: markknecht at gmail.com (Mark Knecht) Date: Wed Nov 29 12:01:04 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Realtiem kernel. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5bdc1c8b0611290900u6af8d16bn696eea80c845983@mail.gmail.com> On 11/29/06, J M Needham wrote: > I found > http://repos.opensuse.org/home:/appleonkel/SUSE_Linux_10.1/i586/kernel-rt-default-2.6.18-8.5.i586.rpm > on the internet while looking for info on how to patch a realtime kernel > in suse 10.1. I'm having some problems with it (it didn't boot; I used rpm > -i ... to install it) and so if anyone has any experience with this or > advice for SUSE 10.1 (I'm leaving suse soon anyway -- heading to DeMuDi) > then I'd appreciate. I understand that patching a kernel for suse 10.1 > with a realtime patch is non-trivial. > > Any help appreciated. > Jonty Maybe patching a Suse kernel to -rt is non-trivial, but why not just try out the vanilla realtime kernel using the stuff from Ingo's site? http://people.redhat.com/mingo/realtime-preempt/ I run Gentoo but never use Gentoo kernels. Good luck, Mark From georg.holzmann at student.kug.ac.at Wed Nov 29 12:36:21 2006 From: georg.holzmann at student.kug.ac.at (Georg Holzmann) Date: Wed Nov 29 12:51:14 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] hdsploader / changing soundcards In-Reply-To: <1164817739.10622.12.camel@localhost> References: <456D8B76.7030204@student.kug.ac.at> <1164817739.10622.12.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <456DC515.7000102@student.kug.ac.at> Hallo! > my procedure is usually unloading the snd-hdsp module and modprobing it > again. sometimes i have to unplug the firewire cable while unloading the > module ... okay ... the same here - I just wanted to know if there is a way to do it without unplugging ... LG Georg From b0ef at esben-stien.name Wed Nov 29 14:26:20 2006 From: b0ef at esben-stien.name (Esben Stien) Date: Wed Nov 29 12:54:53 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] VOIP and JACK In-Reply-To: <20061128140907.GE27008@replic.net> (carmen's message of "Tue, 28 Nov 2006 09:09:07 -0500") References: <87y7qymy3o.fsf@esben-stien.name> <87zmacgxg5.fsf@esben-stien.name> <20061128011637.GD27008@replic.net> <87ejrnhkzr.fsf@esben-stien.name> <20061128103524.GC1800@gmail.com> <873b83hamq.fsf@esben-stien.name> <20061128140907.GE27008@replic.net> Message-ID: <87slg2caw3.fsf@esben-stien.name> carmen <_@whats-your.name> writes: > you sure plug:jack entry cant be decorated with some resample > directives? I've tried a lot, but not with newest alsa. I'll try again after my exams. -- Esben Stien is b0ef@e s a http://www. s t n m irc://irc. b - i . e/%23contact sip:b0ef@ e e jid:b0ef@ n n From brad at sonaural.com Wed Nov 29 13:34:41 2006 From: brad at sonaural.com (Brad Fuller) Date: Wed Nov 29 13:41:13 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Realtiem kernel. In-Reply-To: <5bdc1c8b0611290900u6af8d16bn696eea80c845983@mail.gmail.com> References: <5bdc1c8b0611290900u6af8d16bn696eea80c845983@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <456DD2C1.3080409@sonaural.com> Mark Knecht wrote: > > Maybe patching a Suse kernel to -rt is non-trivial, but why not just > try out the vanilla realtime kernel using the stuff from Ingo's site? > > http://people.redhat.com/mingo/realtime-preempt/ > > I run Gentoo but never use Gentoo kernels. Just for completeness, are you using the kernel from your link? From markknecht at gmail.com Wed Nov 29 13:57:25 2006 From: markknecht at gmail.com (Mark Knecht) Date: Wed Nov 29 13:57:40 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Realtiem kernel. In-Reply-To: <456DD2C1.3080409@sonaural.com> References: <5bdc1c8b0611290900u6af8d16bn696eea80c845983@mail.gmail.com> <456DD2C1.3080409@sonaural.com> Message-ID: <5bdc1c8b0611291057u3066c715r6d61d9a5f1811ffb@mail.gmail.com> Hi Brad, Not exactly. The link is the leading edge kernel which at this time is base don a release candidate. I often build them for testing but I'm currently having trouble with the realtime-lsm package with 2.6.19_rc6 so I have run them. Underneath that directory there is repository of all the older ones goign back to 2.6.13 I think. I'm currently running 2.6.18-rt7 from the Gentoo proaudio overlay which checks all the stuff out for me and patches it before I build it: mark@lightning ~ $ uname -a Linux lightning 2.6.18-rt7 #2 PREEMPT Mon Oct 23 12:15:41 PDT 2006 x86_64 AMD Athlon(tm) 64 Processor 3000+ AuthenticAMD GNU/Linux mark@lightning ~ $ mark@lightning ~ $ eix -I rt-sources * sys-kernel/rt-sources [1] Available versions: 2.6.15-r21 2.6.16-r29 2.6.17_rc6-r5 2.6.17-r5 2.6.17-r7 *2.6.17-r8 2.6.18-r5 2.6.18-r6 2.6.18-r7 2.6.19_rc6-r4 2.6.19_rc6-r7 2.6.19_rc6-r8 Installed: 2.6.15-r21 2.6.16-r16 2.6.18-r7 2.6.19_rc6-r8 Homepage: Description: Ingo Molnars realtime patch applied on vanilla [1] /usr/portage/local/layman/pro-audio mark@lightning ~ $ Hope this helps, Mark On 11/29/06, Brad Fuller wrote: > Mark Knecht wrote: > > > > > Maybe patching a Suse kernel to -rt is non-trivial, but why not just > > try out the vanilla realtime kernel using the stuff from Ingo's site? > > > > http://people.redhat.com/mingo/realtime-preempt/ > > > > I run Gentoo but never use Gentoo kernels. > > Just for completeness, are you using the kernel from your link? > From brad at sonaural.com Wed Nov 29 14:11:11 2006 From: brad at sonaural.com (Brad Fuller) Date: Wed Nov 29 14:11:31 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Realtiem kernel. In-Reply-To: <5bdc1c8b0611291057u3066c715r6d61d9a5f1811ffb@mail.gmail.com> References: <5bdc1c8b0611290900u6af8d16bn696eea80c845983@mail.gmail.com> <456DD2C1.3080409@sonaural.com> <5bdc1c8b0611291057u3066c715r6d61d9a5f1811ffb@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <456DDB4F.90201@sonaural.com> Mark Knecht wrote: > Hi Brad, > Not exactly. The link is the leading edge kernel which at this time > is base don a release candidate. I often build them for testing but > I'm currently having trouble with the realtime-lsm package with > 2.6.19_rc6 so I have run them. > > Underneath that directory there is repository of all the older ones > goign back to 2.6.13 I think. I'm currently running 2.6.18-rt7 from > the Gentoo proaudio overlay which checks all the stuff out for me and > patches it before I build it: > > mark@lightning ~ $ uname -a > Linux lightning 2.6.18-rt7 #2 PREEMPT Mon Oct 23 12:15:41 PDT 2006 > x86_64 AMD Athlon(tm) 64 Processor 3000+ AuthenticAMD GNU/Linux > mark@lightning ~ $ > > mark@lightning ~ $ eix -I rt-sources > * sys-kernel/rt-sources [1] > Available versions: 2.6.15-r21 2.6.16-r29 2.6.17_rc6-r5 > 2.6.17-r5 2.6.17-r7 *2.6.17-r8 2.6.18-r5 2.6.18-r6 2.6.18-r7 > 2.6.19_rc6-r4 2.6.19_rc6-r7 2.6.19_rc6-r8 > Installed: 2.6.15-r21 2.6.16-r16 2.6.18-r7 2.6.19_rc6-r8 > Homepage: > Description: Ingo Molnars realtime patch applied on vanilla > > [1] /usr/portage/local/layman/pro-audio > mark@lightning ~ $ > > Hope this helps, Thanks Mark. I've finally got gentoo working. It took me a week and a half to get it to a point of just running KDE. I'll check out the pro-audio overlay. All this is new to me :-) brad From mathias.friman at knorca.se Wed Nov 29 14:26:49 2006 From: mathias.friman at knorca.se (Mathias Friman) Date: Wed Nov 29 14:27:12 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] For all swedish lurkers out there Message-ID: <18b0bb4d6c6ba30d90276cdb7f03c7d1@knorca.se> I don't know how many swedish/norwegian speaking people there are on this list, but for those of you that do speak any of these languages, I would like to announce a "new" forum for Linux music, in affiliation with another part of the swedish hobby/semi professional music scene. The idea is to have some sort of first line support/discussion forum for newcomers and people not so fluent in english but eager to test Linux as their audio platform of choice. Well, here's a link: http://forum.studio.se/index.php?showforum=22 I hope to see you there. :) Regards, Mathias From badmuthahubbard at gmail.com Wed Nov 29 15:03:51 2006 From: badmuthahubbard at gmail.com (Chuckk Hubbard) Date: Wed Nov 29 15:04:08 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Real-time kernel In-Reply-To: <456D6B79.6020707@linuxuse.de> References: <8200bab70611282227q1e4fb296j1118c8681f664996@mail.gmail.com> <456D6712.1000802@ballen.fastmail.fm> <456D6B79.6020707@linuxuse.de> Message-ID: <8200bab70611291203i40f307b2kba6fa1bf441d888d@mail.gmail.com> On 11/29/06, Hartmut Noack wrote: > I agree, yet if you want some more desktop-ability and even less work, > you can use ubuntu edgy eft plus this kernel: > > http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=261821 > > yes, this is 32bit, but you can of course install the sources and > recompile (whithout the need to patch it yourself) plus: if you have a > deadline, you can run the 32bit Version after 1,5h of effort with about > 2.8 ms latency and stable (as it works for me so far...) Well I have it running now, but jackd is set to 46 ms and I have 2 dozen xruns