From carotinobg at yahoo.it Sun Oct 1 14:27:13 2006 From: carotinobg at yahoo.it (Carotinho) Date: Sat Sep 30 14:27:04 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Ardour: Stereo or mono inputs ? In-Reply-To: <20060929190141.0d57c1a3@mistral.stie> References: <20060929190141.0d57c1a3@mistral.stie> Message-ID: <200610012027.13719.carotinobg@yahoo.it> Hi! Alle 01:01, sabato 30 settembre 2006, lanas ha scritto: > Folks, > > Until recently I used to connect one output (L or R) to one mono > Ardor input. Then I thought, well, most apps have stereo outs, so why > not connect both ? This way Freeverb works ! Apart from that, what do > you most often use, mono or stereo ? What's your approach ? I use stereo tracks in Ardour connected to stereo sources, because I generally want to treat the sound of eg. a synth, which can vary between the two channels, and whose final sound comes from the sum of both, as a singular audio source in my project. I've never felt the necessity to apply effects to a channel and not to the other. My 2 eurocents! Byez! Carotinho Chiacchiera con i tuoi amici in tempo reale! http://it.yahoo.com/mail_it/foot/*http://it.messenger.yahoo.com From hollywoodb at gmail.com Sun Oct 1 01:22:53 2006 From: hollywoodb at gmail.com (Wade Nelson) Date: Sun Oct 1 01:23:00 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Low-budged live recording hardware solution ? Message-ID: <1159680173.19979.2.camel@hb-130.fedora> I use Fedora Core 5 + Planet CCRMA to record live audio into my PC... I generally only send line-level and mic-level into my onboard nforce3 soundcard. Unfortunately its a noisy card. What I'm looking for, ideally, will be a card with: XLR input mic level inputs Line level inputs high-impedance instrument-level inputs (not necessary, but would be nice) 5.1 output (doesn't need to be spdif) I don't currently need any MIDI capability, optical in/out, or anything too fancy. I'm not against these by any means, as they may become useful down the road. I realise my chances of getting a XLR input are slim as well. Most importantly I want a card that is fully supported under linux with high-quality recording capability with as little noice and fuss as possible. I'm quite picky about that. I've been looking at M-Audio Delta 1010LT, which would do everything I need, and more. Its about $200 and I was really hoping to spend a bit less than that. Also, I'd like to know if all the features of the Delta 1010LT are supported by ALSA. I've read about people who think its great and people who couldn't get it to work properly, I'd like to hear from someone who has used the various inputs for recording purposes. I was also looking at the Roland/Edirol UA-20, I'd like to hear some about these, as they seem to have decent linux support as well. Something like a Yamaha MW-10 would be awesome, but I do need linux support, afaik there is none for that device. -------------- | hollywoodb | -------------- From lau at therockgarden.ca Sun Oct 1 02:17:28 2006 From: lau at therockgarden.ca (Sylvain Robitaille) Date: Sun Oct 1 02:19:27 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: ANN: bristol 0.9.5-60 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I just wanted to followup on a previous message, since I had reported inability to get Bristol to respond to MIDI events, or to cooperate with JACK on my system ... On Wed, 20 Sep 2006, I wrote: > I tried "-jack" (JACK running on interface 2,0), but every time I > tried to play a note Bristol silently exited. Figured this out first: I had JACK set to 44.1KHz, for a project I'm working on. Changed it to 48KHz, and it's fine. I'll have to see if there's some way to programmatically _check_ the sample rate that JACK is set to, and use that in a script to start Bristol with (using appropriate sample-rate options), I think, so that I'll be able to give myself a simple menu of Bristol emulations to choose from. :-) If I can make it suitably elegant, I'll submit that as a patch to the startBristol script, but I'll know more whether what I do is worth considering for than once I've done it. Worst case, at least on my system where I use Qjackctl, it looks like I can just look for jackd in a process listing and use its "-r" argument to determine the sample rate. >> It should respond to a MIDI keyboard to allow you to play notes, > > Right. No luck yet. I would certainly appreciate ideas of where I > should be looking. Figured this out as well: I needed to manually add a MIDI input connector to JACK for Bristol, and "connect" the hardware MIDI device to it, then _activate_ that new setup. Now I'm able to use Bristol with my MIDI keyboards (haven't tried yet with the guitar-to-MIDI converter, but I expect that will work as well, though the converter generates a lot of pitch-bend information. >> but a the moment it will not link its controls to MIDI Continuous >> Controllers. Right. No response to pitch-bend or mod-wheels, it seems. Those are the two I consider most important, though I realize that once you solve the general case, these will easily fall into place. My MIDI keyboards are (classic?) synths in their own rights (an ESQ1 and a DW8000), so I'm not looking to assign banks of 8 knobs and sliders to various parameters, but the ability to use the pitch-bend and mod controls on Bristol from the keyboards would be fantastic. Also, program-change commands, if that isn't already inplemented (I haven't actually tried, I admit). > I'm not very picky: I'd like to be able to play the keyboard and > have Bristol produce the sound, ... I'm very happy to report this now works for me! :-) :-) :-) Thank you VERY much, for all the work you do on this, Nick! -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Sylvain Robitaille syl@alcor.concordia.ca Major in Electroacoustic Studies Concordia University Faculty of Fine Arts / Music Department Montreal, Quebec, Canada ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From folderol at ukfsn.org Sun Oct 1 04:07:45 2006 From: folderol at ukfsn.org (Folderol) Date: Sun Oct 1 04:06:46 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Just a little question In-Reply-To: <200609081544.49243.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> References: <20060906224034.5d55500a@localhost> <200609081544.49243.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> Message-ID: <20061001090745.31db7093@localhost> On Fri, 8 Sep 2006 15:44:49 +0100 tim hall wrote: > On Wednesday 06 September 2006 22:40, Folderol was like: > > Does having RT kernel have any negative aspects when the computer is > > used for general office work? Would it be best to use a different > > computer for this (or different partition perhaps) and keep the audio > > M/C strictly for audio and nothing else? > > AFAICT there are no particular disadvantages if you are using the RT options > in the mainline kernel. If you have applied Ingo Molnar's patch there are > known tradeoffs with stability and network speed, in which case you may be > better off using a separate set-up for office work. I'm not sure about the > security implications. Well, rather a long time getting back on this! I've decided to stick to separate machines. Apart from any lingering security doubts, I intend to go 64bit for the music 'pooter and there are a surprising number of office type apps that are still not available in 64bit versions - and seem to have no immediate prospect of being so. I know I could probably compile some of these from scratch, but I would *much* prefer to spend this time on my music! P.S. Best of all quality time is currently in Denge Wood on the odd days we have good weather. -- Will J G From nickycopeland at hotmail.com Sun Oct 1 06:41:18 2006 From: nickycopeland at hotmail.com (Nick Copeland) Date: Sun Oct 1 06:41:45 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: ANN: bristol 0.9.5-60 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: >to programmatically _check_ the sample rate that ACK is set to I will look into this as well as it should be possible and would clean up the interface considerably. >I needed to manually add a MIDI input connector to JACK for Bristol, and >"connect" I recently bought a USB keyboard, it works here with aconnect but that is because I do not always run jack. I am pleased to know that qjackctl works though. >No response to pitch-bend or mod-wheels, it seems. Funnily enough I uploaded -66 yesterday night. If fixes a number of issues I found from linking up the USB keyboard. Pitch bend was broken, it should now be fixed. The Mod wheel should work, in as much as I link it to CC #1, but some of the synth patches will not respond to Mod - depth and effect are sometimes controlled by the synth settings. If the Mod does anything then it should be audible from the GUI mod wheel. If that does anything but the synth mod wheel does not then it is a bug. At the moment bristol will not remap CC to controls, which means the fix is probably something I have to do. I am working on code to allow you to link arbitrary CC into bristol controls, and to give more GM-2 support, but that is a little way off. The other things that was broken is keyboard assigment and release - note on/off can intermittently be lost. I was surprised by this, not just that it happens but also that it was so pronounced. It turned out to be an issue that I never saw with a standard MIDI interface, I could read note messages and apply them faster than MIDI could deliver them at 31.25KHz. The USB interface is considerably faster, so my code, which only executed one note message per 'select()' could fail. This is an odd interface to the ALSA SEQ but was easy enough to fix once the penny dropped. Work is going on to change a lot of the MIDI code. Sustain does not work in -66 (although that was fixed last night), programme change is not implemented but is high on the list and loads of other stuff. Regards, Nick. _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ From capocasa at gmx.net Sun Oct 1 07:53:34 2006 From: capocasa at gmx.net (Carlo Capocasa) Date: Sun Oct 1 07:54:10 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Low-budged live recording hardware solution ? In-Reply-To: <1159680173.19979.2.camel@hb-130.fedora> References: <1159680173.19979.2.camel@hb-130.fedora> Message-ID: Roland Edirol FA-101. Two XLR inputs, 192kHz recording, six line level inputs, firewire interface (if latency is worth anything at all to you, don't use USB). Firewire also means you can hook it up to just about any PC (or even mac) on the market today. Supported under linux via Freebob, which might need some tinkering to get it to work depending on your distribution. Ubuntu will have full freebob support in the version about to come out (matter of days). See http://freebob.sourceforge.net for more info. Cost on ebay, new: approx 400 US$. The card also has a cheaper 'little brother' with less line inputs. Carlo Wade Nelson schrieb: > I use Fedora Core 5 + Planet CCRMA to record live audio into my PC... I > generally only send line-level and mic-level into my onboard nforce3 > soundcard. Unfortunately its a noisy card. > > What I'm looking for, ideally, will be a card with: > XLR input mic level inputs > Line level inputs > high-impedance instrument-level inputs (not necessary, but would be > nice) > 5.1 output (doesn't need to be spdif) > > I don't currently need any MIDI capability, optical in/out, or anything > too fancy. I'm not against these by any means, as they may become useful > down the road. I realise my chances of getting a XLR input are slim as > well. > > Most importantly I want a card that is fully supported under linux with > high-quality recording capability with as little noice and fuss as > possible. I'm quite picky about that. > > I've been looking at M-Audio Delta 1010LT, which would do everything I > need, and more. Its about $200 and I was really hoping to spend a bit > less than that. Also, I'd like to know if all the features of the Delta > 1010LT are supported by ALSA. I've read about people who think its great > and people who couldn't get it to work properly, I'd like to hear from > someone who has used the various inputs for recording purposes. > > I was also looking at the Roland/Edirol UA-20, I'd like to hear some > about these, as they seem to have decent linux support as well. > > Something like a Yamaha MW-10 would be awesome, but I do need linux > support, afaik there is none for that device. > > -------------- > | hollywoodb | > -------------- > > From lanas at securenet.net Sun Oct 1 09:22:54 2006 From: lanas at securenet.net (lanas) Date: Sun Oct 1 09:21:03 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Low-budged live recording hardware solution ? In-Reply-To: <1159680173.19979.2.camel@hb-130.fedora> References: <1159680173.19979.2.camel@hb-130.fedora> Message-ID: <20061001092254.69a39cfa@mistral.stie> On Sun, 01 Oct 2006 00:22:53 -0500 Wade Nelson wrote: > What I'm looking for, ideally, will be a card with: > XLR input mic level inputs > Line level inputs > high-impedance instrument-level inputs (not necessary, but would be > nice) > 5.1 output (doesn't need to be spdif) The M-Audio 1010LT is listed at $250 US but I got mine brand new for less. Has 2 XLRs, 8 unbalanced I/Os, MIDI, spdif with DTS/AC-3 surround, word clock for sync. Works natively with FC5/CCRMA, no need to configure anything. Use envy24control (part of FC5/CCRMA) to set levels, etc... A review: http://www.sonicstate.com/articles/article.cfm?id=41 Cheers, Al From mikeraz at patch.com Sun Oct 1 10:48:13 2006 From: mikeraz at patch.com (Michael Rasmussen) Date: Sun Oct 1 10:48:22 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] improving midi/synth'd sound Message-ID: <20061001144813.GA5217@patch.com> I'd like to improve the quality of the tones generated by my laptop's internal soundcard. I've downloaded aiff format sample files from the University of Iowa site. what's needed to load those or otherwise get my syth program, timidity, to use them? -- Michael Rasmussen, Portland Oregon Be appropriate && Follow your curiosity http://www.patch.com/words/ or http://fut.patch.com/ The fortune cookie says: It is a wise father that knows his own child. -- William Shakespeare, "The Merchant of Venice" From folderol at ukfsn.org Sun Oct 1 11:45:01 2006 From: folderol at ukfsn.org (Folderol) Date: Sun Oct 1 11:43:57 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Moor Toons Message-ID: <20061001164501.5645ecc2@localhost> I've had a few days off work, so with the instability of the weather lately I've had lots of time to work on my music. There are now no perl scripts in-line with any of the links. So that eliminates the problems some of you were having. The updates page has a lot of new stuff on it. Halloween was rather experimental and I'm not entirely sure if it works. Still it is seasonal :) An astute observer will see I have put Sad Angel on here yet again. I think I've got it right now. ...hmm think I said that last time too. The main pages have also had a revamp and I've made it easier to see where there are spaces. You might want to take a look. Some tunes have been moved to better places. There are more additions and fewer gaps. P.S. I only got in a while ago after a few hours in the woods dodging showers! You'll be pleased to know all the trees are in the right places and the animals are behaving appropriately. -- Will J G From folderol at ukfsn.org Sun Oct 1 11:53:41 2006 From: folderol at ukfsn.org (Folderol) Date: Sun Oct 1 11:52:37 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Moor Toons In-Reply-To: <20061001164501.5645ecc2@localhost> References: <20061001164501.5645ecc2@localhost> Message-ID: <20061001165341.7281bfde@localhost> On Sun, 1 Oct 2006 16:45:01 +0100 Folderol wrote: > I've had a few days off work, so with the instability of the weather > lately I've had lots of time to work on my music. > > There are now no perl scripts in-line with any of the links. So that > eliminates the problems some of you were having. > > The updates page has a lot of new stuff on it. > > Halloween was rather experimental and I'm not entirely sure if it > works. Still it is seasonal :) > > An astute observer will see I have put Sad Angel on here yet again. I > think I've got it right now. > > ...hmm think I said that last time too. > > The main pages have also had a revamp and I've made it easier to see > where there are spaces. You might want to take a look. Some tunes have > been moved to better places. There are more additions and fewer gaps. > > P.S. > I only got in a while ago after a few hours in the woods dodging > showers! You'll be pleased to know all the trees are in the right > places and the animals are behaving appropriately. OK OK OK... I know. url is here: http://www.folderol.ukfsn.org/music.shtml You can also try: http://www.musically.me.uk but I don't guarantee that one yet! -- Will J G From hollywoodb at gmail.com Sun Oct 1 12:37:47 2006 From: hollywoodb at gmail.com (Wade Nelson) Date: Sun Oct 1 12:38:13 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Low-budged live recording hardware solution ? In-Reply-To: <20061001092254.69a39cfa@mistral.stie> References: <1159680173.19979.2.camel@hb-130.fedora> <20061001092254.69a39cfa@mistral.stie> Message-ID: <1159720667.16234.2.camel@hb-130.fedora> On Sun, 2006-10-01 at 09:22 -0400, lanas wrote: > On Sun, 01 Oct 2006 00:22:53 -0500 > Wade Nelson wrote: > > > What I'm looking for, ideally, will be a card with: > > XLR input mic level inputs > > Line level inputs > > high-impedance instrument-level inputs (not necessary, but would be > > nice) > > 5.1 output (doesn't need to be spdif) > > The M-Audio 1010LT is listed at $250 US but I got mine brand new for > less. Has 2 XLRs, 8 unbalanced I/Os, MIDI, spdif with DTS/AC-3 > surround, word clock for sync. Works natively with FC5/CCRMA, no need > to configure anything. Use envy24control (part of FC5/CCRMA) to set > levels, etc... > > A review: > > http://www.sonicstate.com/articles/article.cfm?id=41 > > Cheers, > Al I've also been looking at AudioTrak's stuff, specifically the Prodigy 7.1 and/or 7.1 LT ... looks like a quality card, supports unbalanced input. I was thinking of running a Behringer EuroTrak UB502 into whichever card I purchase, since its cheap and I've heard good things about it. I could get a Prodigy and UB502 for under $150 shipped to my door. -- hollywoodb From perodog at gmx.net Sun Oct 1 14:15:27 2006 From: perodog at gmx.net (Dragan Noveski) Date: Sun Oct 1 14:13:29 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] xmms does not play on multiface Message-ID: <452005BF.30700@gmx.net> hi to the list, i have a strange issue here with xmms, which wants not to play via rme-multiface. i am using 2.6.18-rt5 kernel, compiled with 1000Hz option, when i load my usb device, or the onboard sound, xmms plays very well, but only on the multiface i have the issue, that xmms responses only the first "click" and than it freezes. the same issue i have using the 2.6.16-rt13 kernel, but as it is working on these kernels using the usb/onboard sound, i dont think that this is related to the kernel, but perhaps to the firmware? dont know. does anybody else have this problem using rme-cards? cheers, doc From perodog at gmx.net Sun Oct 1 14:17:02 2006 From: perodog at gmx.net (Dragan Noveski) Date: Sun Oct 1 14:15:23 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] question about "kontroll" In-Reply-To: <200610010332.24078.mista.tapas@gmx.net> References: <451EBB8F.5000400@gmx.net> <200610010332.24078.mista.tapas@gmx.net> Message-ID: <4520061E.3080404@gmx.net> Florian Schmidt wrote: > On Saturday 30 September 2006 20:46, Dragan Noveski wrote: > >> hi to the list, >> i just compiled "kontroll", just to see what it can do. >> reading the stuff at the homepage, the README etc. i dont find what this >> appi actually does (and how). >> can somebody give here a short explanation, which is more practice-related. >> i am trying here to do sth with zyn and kontroll, but no success. >> > > It queries the mouse position and sends midi signals based on that. If your > mouse is in the upper left corner of the screen it will send a 0 on both > configured controller. If in the lower right, it will send 127. So the X-Axis > of the mouse is mapped to one controller and the Y-Axis to another. > > Upon user request i added OSC message sending support. Which basically does > the same thing, but it's a bit more configurable. > > So basically it's a way to use your mouse as midi controller source :) > > A possible use scenario would be to control i.e. the cutoff filter frequency > of an analogue synth. Just find out which midi cc the synth listens to for > the parameter you want to adjust with and assign that to one of the mouse > axis in kontroll. > > It's a very very simple app. But useful for me and maybe others :) > > Have fun, > Flo > > ok flo, thanks for the response, i ll do more "experiments" with this. cheers, doc From nomoa at wanadoo.fr Sun Oct 1 15:31:47 2006 From: nomoa at wanadoo.fr (David Causse) Date: Sun Oct 1 15:31:58 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Sound Works... Sometimes In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <452017A3.1030004@wanadoo.fr> Steven Cabrera wrote: > Well after further review it looks like the .asoundrc file doesn?t have much > to do with it. Now it looks like the sound will work about every 4th or 5th > time I boot. > > And also I looked at my /proc/asound/cards and it shows my delta 44 and the > Unitor 8 but what about my built in apple sound? > > [steve@localhost ~]$ cat /proc/asound/cards > 0 [M66 ]: ICE1712 - M Audio Delta 66 > M Audio Delta 66 at 0x40, irq 54 > 1 [AMT8 ]: USB-Audio - AMT8 > Emagic AMT8 at usb-0001:02:0b.2-1.3.4.2, full speed > > Can someone please help me with this?? > It looks like a module loading problem You should update your modprobe.conf to load the 3 devices and assign a static card index to each. You just have to identify what is the module name for the Unitor and then add it to modprobe.conf. The snd-powermac cannot be correctly loaded according to your modprobe.conf, its card index is taken by the AMT8 (module loaded earlier maybe by some hardware detection mechanism). If you try to modprobe a snd-card on an index already used, the card is not registered but the module is visible in lsmod (weird). your modprobe.conf should look like this: alias snd-card-0 snd-ice1712 options snd-ice1712 index=0 alias snd-card-1 snd-powermac options snd-powermac index=1 alias snd-card-2 "snd-unitor" options "snd-unitor" index=2 Good luck. David. From julien at c-lab.de Sun Oct 1 15:35:22 2006 From: julien at c-lab.de (Julien Claassen) Date: Sun Oct 1 15:35:50 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] improving midi/synth'd sound In-Reply-To: <20061001144813.GA5217@patch.com> References: <20061001144813.GA5217@patch.com> Message-ID: Hi! I think timidity doesn't support those directly. I may be wrong though. The best way of improving for timidity I found was using soundfonts. The fluid r3, an extrac piano, rhodes and harpsichord, sound quite nice. Still definitely midi, but definitely better than simple gus patch files. I hope that helps! Kindest regards Julien -------- Music was my first love and it will be my last (John Miles) ======== FIND MY WEB-PROJECT AT: ======== http://ltsb.sourceforge.net the Linux TextBased Studio guide ======= AND MY PERSONAL PAGES AT: ======= http://www.juliencoder.de From mikeraz at patch.com Sun Oct 1 15:41:23 2006 From: mikeraz at patch.com (Michael Rasmussen) Date: Sun Oct 1 15:41:32 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] improving midi/synth'd sound In-Reply-To: References: <20061001144813.GA5217@patch.com> Message-ID: <20061001194123.GC9311@patch.com> Julien Claassen wrote: > I think timidity doesn't support those directly. I may be wrong though. The > best way of improving for timidity I found was using soundfonts. The fluid r3, > an extrac piano, rhodes and harpsichord, sound quite nice. Still definitely > midi, but definitely better than simple gus patch files. I hope that helps! It does. Now I just have to figure out how to get timidity to use soundfonts. As the end of my post I'd asked about documentation - my install doesn't have any and the site linked to from the timidity website is currently broken. I'm all ready to go with sound fonts, as soon as I know how. -- Michael Rasmussen, Portland Oregon Be appropriate && Follow your curiosity http://www.patch.com/words/ or http://fut.patch.com/ The fortune cookie says: Windows NT Beer: Comes in 32-oz. cans, but you can only buy it by the truckload. This causes most people to have to go out and buy bigger refrigerators. The can looks just like Windows 3.1 Beer's, but the company promises to change the can to look just like Windows 95 Beer's -- after Windows 95 beer starts shipping. Touted as an "industrial strength" beer, and suggested only for use in bars. From _ at whats-your.name Sun Oct 1 16:04:20 2006 From: _ at whats-your.name (carmen) Date: Sun Oct 1 16:04:22 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] xmms does not play on multiface In-Reply-To: <452005BF.30700@gmx.net> References: <452005BF.30700@gmx.net> Message-ID: <20061001200420.GA23391@replic.net> On Sun Oct 01, 2006 at 08:15:27PM +0200, Dragan Noveski wrote: > hi to the list, > i have a strange issue here with xmms, which wants not to play via rme-multiface. > i am using 2.6.18-rt5 kernel, compiled with 1000Hz option, when i load my usb device, or the onboard sound, xmms plays very well, but only on the multiface i have the > issue, that xmms responses only the first "click" and than it freezes. > the same issue i have using the 2.6.16-rt13 kernel, but as it is working on these kernels using the usb/onboard sound, i dont think that this is related to the kernel, > but perhaps to the firmware? have you tried audacious? XMMS is abandoned > > dont know. > > does anybody else have this problem using rme-cards? > > cheers, > doc > From mikeraz at patch.com Sun Oct 1 16:04:56 2006 From: mikeraz at patch.com (Michael Rasmussen) Date: Sun Oct 1 16:06:29 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] improving midi/synth'd sound - semi-resolved In-Reply-To: <20061001194123.GC9311@patch.com> References: <20061001144813.GA5217@patch.com> <20061001194123.GC9311@patch.com> Message-ID: <20061001200456.GD9311@patch.com> Michael Rasmussen wrote: > Julien Claassen wrote: > > best way of improving for timidity I found was using soundfonts. The fluid r3, > > an extrac piano, rhodes and harpsichord, sound quite nice. > > It does. Now I just have to figure out how to get timidity to use soundfonts. > As the end of my post I'd asked about documentation - my install doesn't have > any and the site linked to from the timidity website is currently broken. After more bumping around I've figured it out. Now: I'm looking for recommendations on reed instrument soundfonts. What I've discovered so far doesn't sound that great. -- Michael Rasmussen, Portland Oregon Be appropriate && Follow your curiosity http://www.patch.com/words/ or http://fut.patch.com/ The fortune cookie says: This is clearly another case of too many mad scientists, and not enough hunchbacks. From stuff at trackingsolutions.ca Sun Oct 1 19:07:49 2006 From: stuff at trackingsolutions.ca (stuff@trackingsolutions.ca) Date: Sun Oct 1 19:05:03 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Vienna Symphonic Orchestra Help In-Reply-To: <20061001200456.GD9311@patch.com> References: <20061001144813.GA5217@patch.com> <20061001194123.GC9311@patch.com> <20061001200456.GD9311@patch.com> Message-ID: <200610011707.50192.stuff@trackingsolutions.ca> I wanted to purchase the Vienna Symphonic Orchestra Opus 1 and 2. Vienna Symphonic states that you need their "Production Tool" for best performance. It is smart enough to deal with smooth Legatos of all instruments and allows you to create custom runs. Do you think that not having this tool would hinder me in linux if I just ran the giga files? Anyone have any insight? Thanks From mle+la at mega-nerd.com Sun Oct 1 20:32:19 2006 From: mle+la at mega-nerd.com (Erik de Castro Lopo) Date: Sun Oct 1 20:32:32 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] xmms does not play on multiface In-Reply-To: <20061001200420.GA23391@replic.net> References: <452005BF.30700@gmx.net> <20061001200420.GA23391@replic.net> Message-ID: <20061002103219.a58da451.mle+la@mega-nerd.com> carmen wrote: > have you tried audacious? XMMS is abandoned I agree that there are other possibly better players around, but what makes you think XMMS is abandoned? Erik -- +-----------------------------------------------------------+ Erik de Castro Lopo +-----------------------------------------------------------+ "I don't think any MS Exec will ever die of old age. Satan doesn't need the competition." -- Digital Wokan on LinuxToday.com From _ at whats-your.name Sun Oct 1 20:50:23 2006 From: _ at whats-your.name (carmen) Date: Sun Oct 1 20:50:35 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] xmms does not play on multiface In-Reply-To: <20061002103219.a58da451.mle+la@mega-nerd.com> References: <452005BF.30700@gmx.net> <20061001200420.GA23391@replic.net> <20061002103219.a58da451.mle+la@mega-nerd.com> Message-ID: <20061002005023.GB23391@replic.net> On Mon Oct 02, 2006 at 10:32:19AM +1000, Erik de Castro Lopo wrote: > carmen wrote: > > > have you tried audacious? XMMS is abandoned > > I agree that there are other possibly better players around, but > what makes you think XMMS is abandoned? the existence of XMMS2, BMPX, and Audacious, plus chat in the audacious channel relating to how dead XMMS was. i guess i havent fully investigated it. even within XMMS, one could proably fix the issue by switching to the jack output, and having jack deal with the card, if one was using ALSA.. > > Erik > -- > +-----------------------------------------------------------+ > Erik de Castro Lopo > +-----------------------------------------------------------+ > "I don't think any MS Exec will ever die of old age. Satan > doesn't need the competition." > -- Digital Wokan on LinuxToday.com > From markknecht at gmail.com Sun Oct 1 22:10:01 2006 From: markknecht at gmail.com (Mark Knecht) Date: Sun Oct 1 22:10:09 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Vienna Symphonic Orchestra Help In-Reply-To: <200610011707.50192.stuff@trackingsolutions.ca> References: <20061001144813.GA5217@patch.com> <20061001194123.GC9311@patch.com> <20061001200456.GD9311@patch.com> <200610011707.50192.stuff@trackingsolutions.ca> Message-ID: <5bdc1c8b0610011910m270e6478qcb6e0475ef7b9d23@mail.gmail.com> Yeah - you will come no where close to the realism of performance using LinuxSampler and just the Vienna gig files themselves that you can get on a Windows machine using the gig files plus the real-time processing those tools they provide. In Linux you'll be limited to only playing essentially since notes. Under Windows those tools identify specific things in MIDI streams, like overlapping notes for a violin, and then pick specific recordings within the gig files that you will never ever choose without the tools. In fact under Linux some MIDI patterns will sound completely different without the use of the tools. *Possibly* the tools might work under Wine someday. They did not work earlier. Without the tools you're probably paying way too much for the results you'll get. My 2 cents, Mark On 10/1/06, stuff@trackingsolutions.ca wrote: > I wanted to purchase the Vienna Symphonic Orchestra Opus 1 and 2. Vienna > Symphonic states that you need their "Production Tool" for best performance. > It is smart enough to deal with smooth Legatos of all instruments and allows > you to create custom runs. Do you think that not having this tool would > hinder me in linux if I just ran the giga files? Anyone have any insight? > > Thanks > From florin at andrei.myip.org Mon Oct 2 00:22:31 2006 From: florin at andrei.myip.org (Florin Andrei) Date: Mon Oct 2 00:22:52 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Low-budged live recording hardware solution ? In-Reply-To: <1159680173.19979.2.camel@hb-130.fedora> References: <1159680173.19979.2.camel@hb-130.fedora> Message-ID: <1159762951.2672.15.camel@rivendell.home.local> On Sun, 2006-10-01 at 00:22 -0500, Wade Nelson wrote: > I've been looking at M-Audio Delta 1010LT, which would do everything I > need, and more. Its about $200 and I was really hoping to spend a bit > less than that. You can find it on Froogle starting at around $180 and up, if that makes any difference. > Also, I'd like to know if all the features of the Delta > 1010LT are supported by ALSA. I've read about people who think its great > and people who couldn't get it to work properly, I'd like to hear from > someone who has used the various inputs for recording purposes. FWIW, I've the "full" version (1010) and ALSA works flawlessly. -- Florin Andrei http://florin.myip.org/ From ggrubbish at web.de Mon Oct 2 06:15:16 2006 From: ggrubbish at web.de (Gerhard =?iso-8859-1?q?Gau=DFling?=) Date: Mon Oct 2 06:14:30 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] since recompilation of 2.6.18-rt3 I got this: alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: Invalid argument Message-ID: <200610021215.18722.ggrubbish@web.de> Hello, Since Yesterday I got these errors, but with gnome-alsamixer everything is fine, and I can hear sound etc. $ amixer amixer: Mixer attach default error: Invalid argument $ alsamixer alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: Invalid argument I patched 2.6.18 with Ingo Molnars rt patch 2.6.18-rt3. This worked flawlessy. Yesterday I recompiled that kernel without changing anything in spite of the nvidia beta driver. I had to leave make-kpkg kernel-image out, and do modules-image only, I guess :( $ dpkg -l *nvidia* |grep ^ii ii nvidia-glx 1.0.9625+2.6.18-rt3 NVIDIA binary XFree86 4.x/X.Org driver ii nvidia-glx-dev 1.0.9625+2.6.18-rt3 NVIDIA binary XFree86 4.x/X.Org driver devel ii nvidia-kernel-2.6.18-rt3 1.0.9625-0ubuntu3+1 NVIDIA binary kernel module for Linux 2.6.18 ii nvidia-kernel-common 20051028+1 NVIDIA binary kernel module common files ii nvidia-kernel-source 1.0.9625+2.6.18-rt3 NVIDIA binary kernel module source $ lsmod|egrep "(snd|sound)"|grep mixer snd_mixer_oss 20608 2 snd_pcm_oss snd 69824 14 snd_seq_oss,snd_seq,snd_intel8x0,snd_ac97_codec,snd_pcm_oss,snd_mixer_oss,snd_mpu401,snd_mpu401_uart,snd_rawmidi,snd_seq_device,snd_pcm,snd_timer $ modprobe -l|grep mixer /lib/modules/2.6.18-rt3/kernel/sound/core/oss/snd-mixer-oss.ko /lib/modules/2.6.18-rt3/kernel/drivers/media/video/tvmixer.ko $ modinfo soundcore filename: /lib/modules/2.6.18-rt3/kernel/sound/soundcore.ko [...] vermagic: 2.6.18-rt3 SMP preempt mod_unload gcc-4.0 $ uname -a Linux ubuntu 2.6.18-rt3 #1 SMP PREEMPT Sun Oct 1 21:14:11 CEST 2006 x86_64 GNU/Linux dpkg -l gnome-alsamixer alsamixergui alsa-utils ri alsa-utils 1.0.10-1ubuntu14 ii alsamixergui 0.9.0rc2-1-9 ii gnome-alsamixer 0.9.6-3 From ggrubbish at web.de Mon Oct 2 06:56:36 2006 From: ggrubbish at web.de (Gerhard =?iso-8859-1?q?Gau=DFling?=) Date: Mon Oct 2 06:55:47 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] since recompilation of 2.6.18-rt3 I got this: alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: Invalid argument In-Reply-To: <200610021215.18722.ggrubbish@web.de> References: <200610021215.18722.ggrubbish@web.de> Message-ID: <200610021256.38236.ggrubbish@web.de> Am Montag, 2. Oktober 2006 12:15 schrieb Gerhard Gau?ling: > Yesterday I recompiled that kernel without changing anything in spite > of the nvidia beta driver. Sorry, but this should be: Yesterday I recompiled that kernel without changing anything apart from the nvidia beta driver. From perodog at gmx.net Mon Oct 2 07:59:25 2006 From: perodog at gmx.net (Dragan Noveski) Date: Mon Oct 2 07:59:37 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] xmms does not play on multiface In-Reply-To: <20061001200420.GA23391@replic.net> References: <452005BF.30700@gmx.net> <20061001200420.GA23391@replic.net> Message-ID: <20061002115925.258500@gmx.net> > > have you tried audacious? XMMS is abandoned are you able to use audacius with jack? > > > > > dont know. > > > > does anybody else have this problem using rme-cards? > > > > cheers, > > doc > > -- GMX DSL-Flatrate 0,- Euro* - ?berall, wo DSL verf?gbar ist! NEU: Jetzt bis zu 16.000 kBit/s! http://www.gmx.net/de/go/dsl From pcoccoli at gmail.com Mon Oct 2 08:21:42 2006 From: pcoccoli at gmail.com (Paul Coccoli) Date: Mon Oct 2 08:21:52 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] ANN: bristol 0.9.5-60 In-Reply-To: References: <20060929134811.GB7418@slinkp.com> Message-ID: <8d27a0610610020521x7b4818c5p921996d5eb6e465e@mail.gmail.com> On 9/29/06, Nick Copeland wrote: > >Can [the ARP 2600] process external inputs? > > It is coded to do so, however this is one part that has not been tested, at > all, so your millage will not exactly vary as it will probably be more like > petrol into a diesel tank. I also think you will get different results from > jack vs alsa drivers as they are organised differently within bristol. > > >feed an organ sound into an ARP patch for some Won't Get Fooled Again fun > >:) > > That is currently not possible but is on the list of enhancements. > Eventually bristol may register each synth as separate IO into jack, so you > can then tie it all together as you like. The dirty workaround of invoking > two bristol into jack will also fail as the name space 'bristol' may clash? > I was considering putting the pid into the registration to avoid this issue, > but that remains mildly ugly. > > Regards, > > Nick. Why not put the synth name in the IO port name? Unless you already do, in which case I'm not sure what you mean by a namespace clash. From nickycopeland at hotmail.com Mon Oct 2 09:11:38 2006 From: nickycopeland at hotmail.com (Nick Copeland) Date: Mon Oct 2 09:11:59 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] ANN: bristol 0.9.5-60 In-Reply-To: <8d27a0610610020521x7b4818c5p921996d5eb6e465e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: >Why not put the synth name in the IO port name? Unless you already >do, in which case I'm not sure what you mean by a namespace clash. There are problems here due to the engine being multitimbral, so a few examples: 1. Single engine, multiple emulations (multitimbral Hammond and ARP 2600): If the bristol engine first registers with the synth name then it starts using Hammond for its IO. Then the signal from ARP 2600, which is started afterwards, will come from the outputs named Hammond which is rather ambiguous. This could almost be resolved with registering separate IO for each emulation, but there there is case 2: 2. Single engine, multiple emulations (Prophet-5 and another Prophet-5): These might be two different invocations of the same synth, however at the same time this is pretty much how the Prophet-10 works (and the OBXa, and the B3 kind of). This causes other issues with available namespace inside the single registration. Why should a user not be able to have two Mini Moog operating simultaneously using either methods described above? Neither solution to case 1 or case 2 address this possibility. 2. Multiple Engines Each engine would be affected by both of the above issues. Bristol was designed to be able to produce all emulations simultenously. The current 'workaround', which has not been uploaded yet, is that bristol will register as itself. If that fails it will attempt to register 'bristol_'. This may cause other issues regarding LASH understanding the use of a PID in connection settings as the PID will invariably change between invocations? LASH support it not actually there yet, but it is on the horizon so obviously needs to be considered whilst solving this problem. All output from each synth us still currently collapsed by bristol onto the same stereo outputs, this may give issues with mixing, obviously. I am open to suggestions. Should the user give an optional registration name? Even that goes against the grain of usability. Regards, Nick. _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ From paul at linuxaudiosystems.com Mon Oct 2 09:42:11 2006 From: paul at linuxaudiosystems.com (Paul Davis) Date: Mon Oct 2 09:42:54 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] xmms does not play on multiface In-Reply-To: <20061002115925.258500@gmx.net> References: <452005BF.30700@gmx.net> <20061001200420.GA23391@replic.net> <20061002115925.258500@gmx.net> Message-ID: <1159796532.4749.140.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Mon, 2006-10-02 at 13:59 +0200, Dragan Noveski wrote: > > > > have you tried audacious? XMMS is abandoned > > are you able to use audacius with jack? no idea, but i use the xmms-jack plugin all day every day to listen to internet radio, via an RME HDSP + digiface. there are a few problems (xmms periodically hits a point where it starts eating memory like mad, or starts burning CPU cycles like mad, maybe once every 36 hours or so), but its basically all good. From rlrevell at joe-job.com Mon Oct 2 09:55:59 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Mon Oct 2 09:55:54 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] since recompilation of 2.6.18-rt3 I got this: alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: Invalid argument In-Reply-To: <200610021256.38236.ggrubbish@web.de> References: <200610021215.18722.ggrubbish@web.de> <200610021256.38236.ggrubbish@web.de> Message-ID: <1159797359.4067.128.camel@mindpipe> On Mon, 2006-10-02 at 12:56 +0200, Gerhard Gau?ling wrote: > Am Montag, 2. Oktober 2006 12:15 schrieb Gerhard Gau?ling: > > Yesterday I recompiled that kernel without changing anything in spite > > of the nvidia beta driver. > > Sorry, but this should be: > Yesterday I recompiled that kernel without changing anything apart from > the nvidia beta driver. > Does it work again if you revert to the open source nv driver? Lee From ggrubbish at web.de Mon Oct 2 12:13:35 2006 From: ggrubbish at web.de (Gerhard =?iso-8859-1?q?Gau=DFling?=) Date: Mon Oct 2 12:12:46 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [SOLVED] alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: Invalid argument In-Reply-To: <200610021215.18722.ggrubbish@web.de> References: <200610021215.18722.ggrubbish@web.de> Message-ID: <200610021813.35932.ggrubbish@web.de> Am Montag, 2. Oktober 2006 12:15 schrieb Gerhard Gau?ling: > Since Yesterday I got these errors, but with gnome-alsamixer > everything is fine, and I can hear sound etc. It came out, that I changed some days ago my ~/.asoundrc too, and that there were two ctl.!default {} entries. I commented the double entries out, and everything works fine again! From Martin.Wohlleben at gmx.de Mon Oct 2 13:20:57 2006 From: Martin.Wohlleben at gmx.de (Martin Wohlleben) Date: Mon Oct 2 13:21:14 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] xmms does not play on multiface In-Reply-To: <452005BF.30700@gmx.net> References: <452005BF.30700@gmx.net> Message-ID: <1159809657.9167.7.camel@localhost> Am Sonntag, den 01.10.2006, 20:15 +0200 schrieb Dragan Noveski: > hi to the list, > i have a strange issue here with xmms, which wants not to play via > rme-multiface. > i am using 2.6.18-rt5 kernel, compiled with 1000Hz option, when i load > my usb device, or the onboard sound, xmms plays very well, but only on > the multiface i have the issue, that xmms responses only the first > "click" and than it freezes. > the same issue i have using the 2.6.16-rt13 kernel, but as it is working > on these kernels using the usb/onboard sound, i dont think that this is > related to the kernel, but perhaps to the firmware? > > dont know. > > does anybody else have this problem using rme-cards? > > cheers, > doc > Hi, my Multiface is running fine with xmms under 2.6.26-rt29. The only thing is, that xmms only accepts the grouped outputs set in my ~/.asoundrc For example my multiface is hw:2, but xmms can't acces hw:2,0. So I have to set: pcm.hdsp { type hw card 2 } ctl.hdsp { type hw card 2 } pcm.hdsp_analog { type plug ttable.0.0 1 ttable.1.1 1 ttable.2.2 1 ttable.3.3 1 ttable.4.4 1 ttable.5.5 1 ttable.6.6 1 ttable.7.7 1 slave.pcm hdsp } in my ~/.asoundrc and use `hdsp_analog` as output device in xmms. Mor infos to goup your channels can be found here: http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/7024 regards Martin From paniq at paniq.org Mon Oct 2 13:33:13 2006 From: paniq at paniq.org (Leonard "paniq" Ritter) Date: Mon Oct 2 13:33:17 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] ANN: mute - buzz clone for linux Message-ID: <1159810393.6744.8.camel@localhost> Mute is a Linux based Buzz clone, designed to be 1:1 compatible to the discontinued but popular modular music tracker Jeskola Buzz, currently in an alpha development stage. It also occasionally builds and runs on Windows. http://www.leonard-ritter.com/current_mute_progress -- -- leonard "paniq" ritter -- http://www.mjoo.org -- http://www.paniq.org From lau at kudla.org Mon Oct 2 13:44:40 2006 From: lau at kudla.org (Rob) Date: Mon Oct 2 13:44:57 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] ANN: mute - buzz clone for linux In-Reply-To: <1159810393.6744.8.camel@localhost> References: <1159810393.6744.8.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <200610021344.40272.lau@kudla.org> On Monday 02 October 2006 13:33, Leonard "paniq" Ritter wrote: > Mute is a Linux based Buzz clone, designed to be 1:1 > compatible to the discontinued but popular modular music > tracker Jeskola Buzz, currently in an alpha development stage. > It also occasionally builds and runs on Windows. > http://www.leonard-ritter.com/current_mute_progress Thanks for doing this.... the Buzz tracker interface was a little clunky at times for composing, but I was more productive with it than any other software I can remember using. I guess I better start brushing up on my Python so I can eventually help. Rob From ico at vt.edu Mon Oct 2 14:18:00 2006 From: ico at vt.edu (Ivica Ico Bukvic) Date: Mon Oct 2 14:18:07 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] ANN: mute - buzz clone for linux In-Reply-To: <1159810393.6744.8.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <004401c6e64f$180bcff0$0502a8c0@64BitBadass> Awesome! Ico > -----Original Message----- > From: linux-audio-user-bounces@music.columbia.edu [mailto:linux-audio- > user-bounces@music.columbia.edu] On Behalf Of Leonard "paniq" Ritter > Sent: Monday, October 02, 2006 1:33 PM > To: linux-audio-user@music.columbia.edu > Subject: [linux-audio-user] ANN: mute - buzz clone for linux > > Mute is a Linux based Buzz clone, designed to be 1:1 compatible to the > discontinued but popular modular music tracker Jeskola Buzz, currently > in an alpha development stage. It also occasionally builds and runs on > Windows. > > http://www.leonard-ritter.com/current_mute_progress > > -- > -- leonard "paniq" ritter > -- http://www.mjoo.org > -- http://www.paniq.org From pw_lists at slinkp.com Mon Oct 2 14:25:43 2006 From: pw_lists at slinkp.com (Paul Winkler) Date: Mon Oct 2 14:26:00 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] ANN: mute - buzz clone for linux In-Reply-To: <1159810393.6744.8.camel@localhost> References: <1159810393.6744.8.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <20061002182543.GA8184@slinkp.com> On Mon, Oct 02, 2006 at 07:33:13PM +0200, Leonard paniq Ritter wrote: > Mute is a Linux based Buzz clone, designed to be 1:1 compatible to the > discontinued but popular modular music tracker Jeskola Buzz, currently > in an alpha development stage. It also occasionally builds and runs on > Windows. > > http://www.leonard-ritter.com/current_mute_progress python? yay! i can hack on it! Thanks for this. -- Paul Winkler http://www.slinkp.com From helycos at yahoo.co.uk Mon Oct 2 15:24:20 2006 From: helycos at yahoo.co.uk (Tim Beauregard) Date: Mon Oct 2 15:24:33 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] key changer Message-ID: <45216764.7090908@yahoo.co.uk> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hello, Is there a linux based key changer out there? My googling finds only M$ based apps. Any help greatly appreciated. Tim -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFFIWdksUUdIDHrdAURAk55AJ9k36HDZQx1V1IKUf2DEALyI/dEywCgzjq4 DYmse1Rz0vVaplo7wcte7v4= =irdw -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From lau at therockgarden.ca Mon Oct 2 15:56:27 2006 From: lau at therockgarden.ca (Sylvain Robitaille) Date: Mon Oct 2 15:57:39 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] RE:Re: ANN: bristol 0.9.5-60 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Sun, 1 Oct 2006, Nick Copeland wrote: > Funnily enough I uploaded -66 yesterday night. ... Will try that (hopefully this evening). It sounds like at least the most important (to me) items I've brought up are addressed in that version. Thank you. > The other things that was broken is keyboard assigment and release - > note on/off can intermittently be lost. I wonder if this is what caused a symptom I've occasionally noticed, particularly with some of the emulations where it seemed at times that the envelopes weren't always retriggering. I wasn't yet sure whether this was due to anything of my own fault (anything from the retriggering getting lost within my setup to perhaps simply poor playing technique). If this symptom is no longer noticeable with -66, then that must be it. Otherwise, I'll try and narrow it down before "officially" reporting it. > Work is going on to change a lot of the MIDI code. Sustain does not > work in -66 (although that was fixed last night), programme change is > not implemented but is high on the list and loads of other stuff. I can be patient. :-) Thanks again! -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Sylvain Robitaille syl@alcor.concordia.ca Major in Electroacoustic Studies Concordia University Faculty of Fine Arts / Music Department Montreal, Quebec, Canada ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From shahn at cs.tu-berlin.de Mon Oct 2 18:29:22 2006 From: shahn at cs.tu-berlin.de (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?S=F6nke_Hahn?=) Date: Mon Oct 2 18:31:32 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Song In-Reply-To: <451C84F8.9060206@cs.tu-berlin.de> References: <4512BC7E.8050709@cs.tu-berlin.de> <200609281636.05853.carotinobg@yahoo.it> <451C20CD.4080608@cs.tu-berlin.de> <200609300113.48163.carotinobg@yahoo.it> <451C84F8.9060206@cs.tu-berlin.de> Message-ID: <452192C2.6050505@cs.tu-berlin.de> Ok, the official karaoke version is online ;) http://open-projects.net/~shahn/downloads/wenn_ich_traeume(karaoke).ogg http://open-projects.net/~shahn/downloads/wenn_ich_traeume(karaoke).wav have fun, Soenke S?nke Hahn wrote: > >> I'm more and more in love with this song! I'd like to let my singer >> sing it when we play popular music... If I'm not bothering you too >> much, would you mind posting on your site a version of this song >> without the voice, so that it can be used as a base, please?:) >> >> > Don't worry, you're not bothering me. I will post a karaoke version as > soon as i can. That might be in some days, though... > > S?nke > > From k.s.matheussen at notam02.no Mon Oct 2 19:17:14 2006 From: k.s.matheussen at notam02.no (Kjetil S. Matheussen) Date: Mon Oct 2 19:17:38 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [ANN] San Dysth V0.1.0, Snd-ls V0.9.7.1, E-Radium V0.61f Message-ID: 1. === San Dysth is a standalone realtime soft-synth written in SND. It was first developed as final project for the 220c course at CCRMA. For information about the used synthesizing routine and sound examples, check out San Dysths homepage at: http://www.notam02.no/~kjetism/sandysth/ Requirements ------------ Snd-ls >=0.9.7.1 G2Reverb ladspa plugin. 2. === Snd-ls is a distribution of Bill Schottstaedt's sound editor SND. Its target is people that don't know scheme very well, and don't want to spend too much time configuring Snd. It can also serve as a quick introduction to Snd and how it can be set up. Download from http://www.notam02.no/arkiv/src/snd/ Changes 0.9.7.0 -> 0.9.7.1 --------------------------- -Updated Snd from 8.4/13.9 to 8.4/26.9. Many important fixes. -Added workaround for menu problem. Bug found by Dragan Noveski. -Added check that initialization is complete. -Some realtime fixes. 3. === E-radium is Radium and a special version of E-UAE (with support for realtime scheduling and alsa midi). Radium is a unique type of music event editor made to be efficient and provide many possibilities. The user interface is inspired by trackers, but Radium is more versatile and can be used for all kinds of genres. http://www.notam02.no/radium/ Changes 0.61e -> 0.61f ---------------------- -Fixed all build errors in 0.61e (0.61e should never have been released.) -Made sure everyone can run e-radium after installation, not only root and the user doing the compilation. From lists at tim.euro1net.com Mon Oct 2 20:15:50 2006 From: lists at tim.euro1net.com (Tim Orford) Date: Mon Oct 2 20:19:06 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] COMPETITION: Most Loaded Desktop Screenshot In-Reply-To: <451B08CD.4060708@boosthardware.com> References: <451B08CD.4060708@boosthardware.com> Message-ID: <20061003001550.GD12610@sofa> On Thu, Sep 28, 2006 at 06:27:09AM +0700, Patrick Shirkey wrote: > I thought this might be fun to have a little competition to see who can > come up with the most heavily loaded and well laid out (cluttered might > be a better word) desktop. just for fun, here is my fraudulent entry: http://www.orford.org/images/linuxscreenshot.png features: -seq24 -om -gnusound -glmix -sndpeek -samplecat -seismix (not released :-() -xosview -ion3 window manager -kde4 taskbar mockup the image is a composite, but its nearly all real software, even if some of it is unstable... regards -- Tim Orford From pshirkey at boosthardware.com Mon Oct 2 21:55:48 2006 From: pshirkey at boosthardware.com (Patrick Shirkey) Date: Mon Oct 2 21:56:16 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] COMPETITION: Most Loaded Desktop Screenshot In-Reply-To: <20061003001550.GD12610@sofa> References: <451B08CD.4060708@boosthardware.com> <20061003001550.GD12610@sofa> Message-ID: <4521C324.2060903@boosthardware.com> Tim Orford wrote: > On Thu, Sep 28, 2006 at 06:27:09AM +0700, Patrick Shirkey wrote: >> I thought this might be fun to have a little competition to see who can >> come up with the most heavily loaded and well laid out (cluttered might >> be a better word) desktop. > > just for fun, here is my fraudulent entry: > http://www.orford.org/images/linuxscreenshot.png > > features: > -seq24 > -om > -gnusound > -glmix > -sndpeek > -samplecat > -seismix (not released :-() > -xosview > -ion3 window manager > -kde4 taskbar mockup > > the image is a composite, but its nearly all real software, > even if some of it is unstable... > That's the most creative one so far. Currently in top spot due to rampant use of opengl apps, followed closely by the ardour.org shot... Cheers. -- Patrick Shirkey - Boost Hardware Ltd. Http://www.boosthardware.com Http://lau.linuxaudio.org - The Linux Audio Users guide ======================================== "Anything your mind can see you can manifest physically, then it will become reality" - Macka B From _ at whats-your.name Mon Oct 2 22:04:51 2006 From: _ at whats-your.name (carmen) Date: Mon Oct 2 22:04:59 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] seismix In-Reply-To: <20061003001550.GD12610@sofa> References: <451B08CD.4060708@boosthardware.com> <20061003001550.GD12610@sofa> Message-ID: <20061003020451.GE23391@replic.net> On Tue Oct 03, 2006 at 01:15:50AM +0100, Tim Orford wrote: > On Thu, Sep 28, 2006 at 06:27:09AM +0700, Patrick Shirkey wrote: > > I thought this might be fun to have a little competition to see who can > > come up with the most heavily loaded and well laid out (cluttered might > > be a better word) desktop. > > just for fun, here is my fraudulent entry: > http://www.orford.org/images/linuxscreenshot.png is there a download link for seismix? From _ at whats-your.name Mon Oct 2 22:07:10 2006 From: _ at whats-your.name (carmen) Date: Mon Oct 2 22:07:19 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] samplecat In-Reply-To: <20061003020451.GE23391@replic.net> References: <451B08CD.4060708@boosthardware.com> <20061003001550.GD12610@sofa> <20061003020451.GE23391@replic.net> Message-ID: <20061003020710.GF23391@replic.net> and since im such a big fan of sqlite... why did you choose mysql? uninstalled that long ago, but still keep sqlite around beacuse things like firefox 3.0 require it.. i suppose i''ll hack it up and have it writing to redland if i find it useful anyways.. cheers From lau at therockgarden.ca Mon Oct 2 23:22:12 2006 From: lau at therockgarden.ca (Sylvain Robitaille) Date: Mon Oct 2 23:23:22 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] bristol 0.9.5-66 (was Re: ANN: bristol 0.9.5-60) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Sun, 1 Oct 2006, Nick Copeland wrote: >> Funnily enough I uploaded -66 yesterday night. ... Well, that definitely fixes the pitch-bend controller response, and to some extent the mod-wheel response as well. With that one, I find (at least with most of the default patches) that either the mod-wheel reacts too much, or it isn't affecting the sound in a way that I expect. This may be just something relevant to the patches themselves, though. I haven't investigated this enough to be able to provide a better report, I'm afraid. On Mon, 2 Oct 2006, I replied: > Will try that (hopefully this evening). Done. I even tried it with the guitar-to-MIDI converter: that's a non-starter, though. The tracking with Bristol is extremely uneven, and in fact with the guitar-controller Bristol does not play in tune at all (either with the guitar itself, or with other keyboards which are indeed tuned to each other), while it's mostly fine with the keyboard controllers (and the keyboard synths track fine with the guitar controller). Interestingly, though, it seems to me that the B3 plays a semitone (or so) sharp (compared to my piano). I checked that at both 48KHz and 44.1KHz. No way to tune the B3? I see (heard!) what you mean about being careful with the gain option and the B3! :-) I don't understand, though, why that emulation is so much louder than the others. >> The other things that was broken is keyboard assigment and release - >> note on/off can intermittently be lost. This indeed may have been what was causing the behaviour I discussed earlier. -66 doesn't seem to exhibit that behaviour on my system (or at least I have to play purposely sloppily, or with the guitar-controller for it to happen). I tried experimenting with some of the synthesizer emulations (primarily the Prophet-5 and the PolySix). It's been a very long time since I had my hands on hardware versions of these, but I'm having trouble wrapping my head around the emulations on Bristol. I'll probably need to refer to readme.synths _while_ tweaking sounds, to be sure I'm adjusting what I _think_ I'm adjusting. Thank you, by the way, for readme.synths. I've spotted a few typos in that file, that if I can find the time (and you don't mind) I'd like to submit corrections for. That file is an interesting read above and beyond its description of the controls available for each emulation. :-) -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Sylvain Robitaille syl@alcor.concordia.ca Major in Electroacoustic Studies Concordia University Faculty of Fine Arts / Music Department Montreal, Quebec, Canada ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From ardour at semiosix.com Tue Oct 3 01:29:24 2006 From: ardour at semiosix.com (John Anderson) Date: Tue Oct 3 01:28:11 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Intel DG965WH motherboard Message-ID: <1159853364.10477.27.camel@groovious> Hi y'all My PC died very suddenly on Sunday night (moment of silence). One can't buy Sempron processors here anymore, so yesterday I bought an Intel DG965WH motherboard with a Core Duo E6600 and 2G of RAM. I managed to get it up and running without too many problems using my previous 32bit installation (Gentoo). There were however a couple of non-critical gotchas: - The PATA IDE controller on the board is a Marvell which isn't explicitly supported by even 2.6.18. Apparently there are efforts underway by the kernel developers to get the docs. Anyway, I was lucky that my OS lives on a SCSI drive so it booted OK. Eventually I found out that adding boot parameters "all-generic-ide irqpoll" to the kernel lets it see the IDE drive where all my sound files are. hdparm says I'm getting 45 - 50 MB/sec so that should be fine. - There's only one PATA connection. Which is fine for 1x cd and 1x hard drive, except with my Antec case which has the cd and the hd very far apart :-( - I'm sure you've noticed by now that Intel made much PR mileage of the open source drivers for the onboard video adapters for these boards. Which is wonderful and all, except that right now the agpgart isn't supported in 2.6.18, and the xorg driver is in 7.1. Which is currently masked by Gentoo, and a PITA to unmask because xorg is in zillions of itty bitty modules. I don't know about xorg-7.1 availability in other distros. The sources for the up-to-date agpgart and so on are available on Intel's website (intellinuxgraphics.org) but I met a nice black screen when I tried them and I didn't feel like fighting with it anymore. So for now I'm using the vesa driver which actually works OK - very little redrawing lag when I switch desktops and so on. - I disabled the onboard soundcard and the ICE1712 is working fine so far with jack at -p64 -n2, 2.6.18 with Ingo's patches. I haven't given it any serious work to do so far though. The sound card is on a shared interrupt with the SCSI controller (Adaptec 29160) and several USB controllers. Which was a recipe for xruns on my previous board. - And of course since the machine is still using a 32 bit installation, so there's only 1 processor :-| bye John From mdeboer at iua.upf.edu Tue Oct 3 04:53:22 2006 From: mdeboer at iua.upf.edu (Maarten de Boer) Date: Tue Oct 3 04:59:57 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] 70th Birthday of Steve Reich. Message-ID: <20061003105322.6afcf3f8.mdeboer@iua.upf.es> Hello, Today is the 70th Birthday of composer Steve Reich. In his honour, I ran Stevie Wonder's "Happy Birthday" through tapiir (+ jack + rezound) http://www.iua.upf.es/~mdeboer/happy_birthday_steve_reich.m3u http://www.iua.upf.es/~mdeboer/happy_birthday_steve_reich.mp3 "Steve Reich (born Stephen Michael Reich, October 3, 1936) is an American composer. Reich is known as one of the pioneers of minimalism, although he has increasingly deviated from a purely minimalist style. Reich has developed a number of very influential compositional ideas including using tape loops to create phasing patterns (such as in his first works, It's Gonna Rain, Come Out);" (Wikipedia) maarten -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. From candido at unavarra.es Tue Oct 3 07:47:45 2006 From: candido at unavarra.es (Candido Aramburu) Date: Tue Oct 3 07:47:57 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] arecord Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20061003134638.00c01d40@si.unavarra.es> Hello, i am trying to record a voice MIC sound with arecord command and i can not get it linux kernel -> Fedora 5 -> kernel linux version 2.6-> alsa 1.0.11 version library configuration files .asoundrec no existe /etc/alsa/alsa.conf installed /etc/asound.conf installed HARDWARE CONFIGURATION alsamixer command settings ON: Master, Master M, PCM, MIC, Capture -> volume 100% Mic Select: MIC1 Mono out: MIC I can ear the external phones when I talk on microphone MIC1 RECORDING [candido@s167m40 musica]$ arecord -l **** List of CAPTURE Hardware Devices **** card 0: ICH5 [Intel ICH5], device 0: Intel ICH [Intel ICH5] Subdevices: 1/1 Subdevice #0: subdevice #0 card 0: ICH5 [Intel ICH5], device 1: Intel ICH - MIC ADC [Intel ICH5 - MIC ADC] Subdevices: 1/1 Subdevice #0: subdevice #0 card 0: ICH5 [Intel ICH5], device 2: Intel ICH - MIC2 ADC [Intel ICH5 - MIC2 ADC] Subdevices: 1/1 Subdevice #0: subdevice #0 card 0: ICH5 [Intel ICH5], device 3: Intel ICH - ADC2 [Intel ICH5 - ADC2] Subdevices: 1/1 Subdevice #0: subdevice #0 card 1: Camera [Camera], device 0: USB Audio [USB Audio] Subdevices: 1/1 Subdevice #0: subdevice #0 **Results-> device name-> card=ICH5, device=1 [candido@s167m40 ~]$ arecord -Dplughw:ICH5,0,1 record.wav arecord: main:547: audio open error: Dispositivo o recurso ocupado **Results-> the subdevice number 1 is busy [candido@s167m40 ~]$ arecord -Dhw:ICH5,0 record.wav Recording WAVE 'record.wav' : Unsigned 8 bit, Rate 8000 Hz, Mono arecord: set_params:901: Sample format non available **Results-> sample format error [candido@s167m40 ~]$ arecord -Dplughw:ICH5,0 record.wav Recording WAVE 'record.wav' : Unsigned 8 bit, Rate 8000 Hz, Mono Results -> ?? when i execute aplay record.wave only on ear noise WHAT IS WRONG? THANKS IN ADVANCE C?ndido Aramburu Mayoz Dpto Ingenier?a El?ctrica y Electr?nica Universidad P?blica de Navarra Campus de Arrosad?a Pamplona 31006 Spain tfno: +34-948169269 +34-948169260 Fax: +34-948169720 E-mail: candido@unavarra.es From jri at broadpark.no Tue Oct 3 07:57:55 2006 From: jri at broadpark.no (Johannes Mario Ringheim) Date: Tue Oct 3 07:58:10 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Low-budged live recording hardware solution ? In-Reply-To: <1159762951.2672.15.camel@rivendell.home.local> References: <1159680173.19979.2.camel@hb-130.fedora> <1159762951.2672.15.camel@rivendell.home.local> Message-ID: <45225043.70204@broadpark.no> Florin Andrei wrote: >> Also, I'd like to know if all the features of the Delta >> 1010LT are supported by ALSA. I've read about people who think its great >> and people who couldn't get it to work properly, I'd like to hear from >> someone who has used the various inputs for recording purposes. > > FWIW, I've the "full" version (1010) and ALSA works flawlessly. I've got a Delta1010LT and a Delta66. Both work 100% flawlessly in ALSA, and I am generally very statisfied with them. Got the Delta66 2nd hand for about 70 euros, so that might be a good option for you too. These cards are getting very very cheap these days, and must be about the best you can get for that price. -- Ringheims Auto - Fri musikk for bilstereo! http://ringheimsauto.org From ardour at semiosix.com Tue Oct 3 08:39:52 2006 From: ardour at semiosix.com (John Anderson) Date: Tue Oct 3 08:38:36 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Intel DG965WH motherboard In-Reply-To: <1159853364.10477.27.camel@groovious> References: <1159853364.10477.27.camel@groovious> Message-ID: <1159879192.8496.4.camel@groovious> On Tue, 2006-10-03 at 07:29 +0200, John Anderson wrote: > Hi y'all > > My PC died very suddenly on Sunday night (moment of silence). > > One can't buy Sempron processors here anymore, so yesterday I bought an > Intel DG965WH motherboard with a Core Duo E6600 and 2G of RAM. I managed > to get it up and running without too many problems using my previous > 32bit installation (Gentoo). There were however a couple of non-critical > gotchas: [snip] Oh, and watch out for the BIOS updates MQ1176P and MQ1233P. Neither of them booted off the SCSI drive (Adaptec 29160 controller). It worked again when I went back to MQ0816P. Of course the only way to contact the technical people is via one of the "Technical Support Programs". Apparently the engineers at Intel never make mistakes :-| Or not publicly, anyway. bye John From dlphillips at woh.rr.com Tue Oct 3 09:52:34 2006 From: dlphillips at woh.rr.com (Dave Phillips) Date: Tue Oct 3 09:28:14 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Low-budged live recording hardware solution ? In-Reply-To: <45225043.70204@broadpark.no> References: <1159680173.19979.2.camel@hb-130.fedora> <1159762951.2672.15.camel@rivendell.home.local> <45225043.70204@broadpark.no> Message-ID: <45226B22.1020002@woh.rr.com> Greetings, I have an M-Audio Delta 66 that works flawlessly. I also have an SBLive for its hardware MIDI interface and its on-board synth (can't have too many synths). Both cards are fully supported by ALSA, and they are indeed 'way cheap these days. Btw, you might want to add an inexpensive preamp to your setup. I bought an M-Audio AudioBuddy that I'm totally pleased with, again it's a cheap purchase these days, especially on eBay. Best, dp From paul at linuxaudiosystems.com Tue Oct 3 09:48:17 2006 From: paul at linuxaudiosystems.com (Paul Davis) Date: Tue Oct 3 09:49:00 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] 70th Birthday of Steve Reich. In-Reply-To: <20061003105322.6afcf3f8.mdeboer@iua.upf.es> References: <20061003105322.6afcf3f8.mdeboer@iua.upf.es> Message-ID: <1159883297.4749.194.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Tue, 2006-10-03 at 10:53 +0200, Maarten de Boer wrote: > Hello, > > Today is the 70th Birthday of composer Steve Reich. > > In his honour, I ran Stevie Wonder's "Happy Birthday" through tapiir > (+ jack + rezound) > > http://www.iua.upf.es/~mdeboer/happy_birthday_steve_reich.m3u > http://www.iua.upf.es/~mdeboer/happy_birthday_steve_reich.mp3 bravo! and a happy birthday to steve reich, whom i first encountered at the tender age of 16 and my life has never been the same since. one of the many geniuses of 20th century music. --p From steve at hassard.net Tue Oct 3 09:49:22 2006 From: steve at hassard.net (Stephen Hassard) Date: Tue Oct 3 09:49:57 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Intel DG965WH motherboard In-Reply-To: <1159853364.10477.27.camel@groovious> References: <1159853364.10477.27.camel@groovious> Message-ID: <45226A62.3090203@hassard.net> John Anderson wrote: > My PC died very suddenly on Sunday night (moment of silence). > One can't buy Sempron processors here anymore, so yesterday I bought an > Intel DG965WH motherboard with a Core Duo E6600 and 2G of RAM. I managed ... > - And of course since the machine is still using a 32 bit installation, > so there's only 1 processor :-| Don't think that just because you're running in 32bits mode that your second processor isn't available. Boot an SMP kernel and your other processor should come up fine. later, Steve From t_w_ at freenet.de Tue Oct 3 10:05:47 2006 From: t_w_ at freenet.de (Thorsten Wilms) Date: Tue Oct 3 10:06:43 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Music: There's A Girl Message-ID: <20061003140547.GA29513@charly.SWORD> Hi! http://www.archive.org/details/theres_a_girl "There's a girl, that want's to own you from your head, down to your toes She wants your mind, your soul and spirit Why it is, she only knows You must take, your money with you Every night, out on the town You hesitate, just for an instant She'll cut you loose, to sink and drown Her heart is cold, so cold and deep boy Like the waters, of the ocean's tongue Her eyes are sharp, they'll stab your back boy So watch her close, don't turn and run." A text by drew Roberts, which you can find as spoken words at http://www.archive.org/details/dragirl These words and the inherent rhythm inspired me to make a track, and after trying rap and some kinda reggae, I finally pulled this through. My usual tools: Om, MusE, Jamin Other tools: my voice, keyring and a coffee mug. If anyone thinks he can add something, or do a better job at singing ... i'm all ears and willing to make revised version in cooperation. All files can be made available on request. All feedback welcome. I especialy like to hear descriptions of the track, your own view on it. Reviews at the archive would also be nice ;) Cheers, Thorsten Wilms From pshirkey at boosthardware.com Tue Oct 3 10:20:11 2006 From: pshirkey at boosthardware.com (Patrick Shirkey) Date: Tue Oct 3 10:21:15 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] arecord In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20061003134638.00c01d40@si.unavarra.es> References: <5.1.0.14.0.20061003134638.00c01d40@si.unavarra.es> Message-ID: <4522719B.9060902@boosthardware.com> Candido Aramburu wrote: > > [candido@s167m40 ~]$ arecord -Dplughw:ICH5,0 record.wav > Recording WAVE 'record.wav' : Unsigned 8 bit, Rate 8000 Hz, Mono > > Results -> ?? > when i execute aplay record.wave only on ear noise > > WHAT IS WRONG? > > THANKS IN ADVANCE > > try : arecord -f cd -Dplughw:ICH5,0 record.wav -- Patrick Shirkey - Boost Hardware Ltd. Http://www.boosthardware.com Http://lau.linuxaudio.org - The Linux Audio Users guide ======================================== "Anything your mind can see you can manifest physically, then it will become reality" - Macka B From pshirkey at boosthardware.com Tue Oct 3 11:29:21 2006 From: pshirkey at boosthardware.com (Patrick Shirkey) Date: Tue Oct 3 11:30:25 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Music: There's A Girl In-Reply-To: <20061003140547.GA29513@charly.SWORD> References: <20061003140547.GA29513@charly.SWORD> Message-ID: <452281D1.6060101@boosthardware.com> Thorsten Wilms wrote: > Hi! > > http://www.archive.org/details/theres_a_girl > > > "There's a girl, that want's to own you > from your head, down to your toes > She wants your mind, your soul and spirit > Why it is, she only knows > > You must take, your money with you > Every night, out on the town > You hesitate, just for an instant > She'll cut you loose, to sink and drown > > Her heart is cold, so cold and deep boy > Like the waters, of the ocean's tongue > Her eyes are sharp, they'll stab your back boy > So watch her close, don't turn and run." > > A text by drew Roberts, which you can find as spoken > words at > http://www.archive.org/details/dragirl > > > These words and the inherent rhythm inspired me to > make a track, and after trying rap and some kinda > reggae, I finally pulled this through. > > My usual tools: Om, MusE, Jamin > Other tools: my voice, keyring and a coffee mug. > > If anyone thinks he can add something, or do a > better job at singing ... i'm all ears and willing > to make revised version in cooperation. > All files can be made available on request. > > All feedback welcome. I especialy like to hear > descriptions of the track, your own view on it. > Reviews at the archive would also be nice ;) > > That's an interesting take on the topic. I found myself wanting the vocal to start about 1 minute into the track. My suggestion is to bring in the vocal track earlier and loop it a couple more times with more effects/layering/remixing/dubbing each time. Cheers. -- Patrick Shirkey - Boost Hardware Ltd. Http://www.boosthardware.com Http://lau.linuxaudio.org - The Linux Audio Users guide ======================================== "Anything your mind can see you can manifest physically, then it will become reality" - Macka B From pshirkey at boosthardware.com Tue Oct 3 11:37:48 2006 From: pshirkey at boosthardware.com (Patrick Shirkey) Date: Tue Oct 3 11:38:07 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Music: There's A Girl In-Reply-To: <20061003140547.GA29513@charly.SWORD> References: <20061003140547.GA29513@charly.SWORD> Message-ID: <452283CC.1070509@boosthardware.com> Thorsten Wilms wrote: > Hi! > > http://www.archive.org/details/theres_a_girl > > > "There's a girl, that want's to own you > from your head, down to your toes > She wants your mind, your soul and spirit > Why it is, she only knows > > You must take, your money with you > Every night, out on the town > You hesitate, just for an instant > She'll cut you loose, to sink and drown > > Her heart is cold, so cold and deep boy > Like the waters, of the ocean's tongue > Her eyes are sharp, they'll stab your back boy > So watch her close, don't turn and run." > > A text by drew Roberts, which you can find as spoken > words at > http://www.archive.org/details/dragirl > > > These words and the inherent rhythm inspired me to > make a track, and after trying rap and some kinda > reggae, I finally pulled this through. > > My usual tools: Om, MusE, Jamin > Other tools: my voice, keyring and a coffee mug. > > If anyone thinks he can add something, or do a > better job at singing ... i'm all ears and willing > to make revised version in cooperation. > All files can be made available on request. > > All feedback welcome. I especialy like to hear > descriptions of the track, your own view on it. > Reviews at the archive would also be nice ;) > > That's an interesting take on the topic. - The wind is a nice touch. - The timbre and rhythm of the vocal track fits very nicely. - Your English passes the basic test of not obviously sounding like a second language. Which is something that I have found ruins many otherwise well crafted Amatuer/Semi-pro tracks. - I found myself wanting the vocal to start about 1 minute into the track. My suggestion is to bring in the vocal track earlier and loop it a couple more times with more effects/layering/remixing/dubbing each time to really highlight and emphasize the tormented, cynical and slightly submissive nature of the lyrics. Cheers. -- Patrick Shirkey - Boost Hardware Ltd. Http://www.boosthardware.com Http://lau.linuxaudio.org - The Linux Audio Users guide ======================================== "Anything your mind can see you can manifest physically, then it will become reality" - Macka B From perodog at gmx.net Tue Oct 3 11:41:49 2006 From: perodog at gmx.net (Dragan Noveski) Date: Tue Oct 3 11:39:58 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] xmms does not play on multiface In-Reply-To: <1159809657.9167.7.camel@localhost> References: <452005BF.30700@gmx.net> <1159809657.9167.7.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <452284BD.40305@gmx.net> Martin Wohlleben wrote: > Am Sonntag, den 01.10.2006, 20:15 +0200 schrieb Dragan Noveski: > >> hi to the list, >> i have a strange issue here with xmms, which wants not to play via >> rme-multiface. >> i am using 2.6.18-rt5 kernel, compiled with 1000Hz option, when i load >> my usb device, or the onboard sound, xmms plays very well, but only on >> the multiface i have the issue, that xmms responses only the first >> "click" and than it freezes. >> the same issue i have using the 2.6.16-rt13 kernel, but as it is working >> on these kernels using the usb/onboard sound, i dont think that this is >> related to the kernel, but perhaps to the firmware? >> >> dont know. >> >> does anybody else have this problem using rme-cards? >> >> cheers, >> doc >> >> > Hi, > > my Multiface is running fine with xmms under 2.6.26-rt29. The only thing > is, that xmms only accepts the grouped outputs set in my ~/.asoundrc > > For example my multiface is hw:2, but xmms can't acces hw:2,0. So I have > to set: > > pcm.hdsp { > type hw > card 2 > } > > ctl.hdsp { > type hw > card 2 > } > > pcm.hdsp_analog { > type plug > ttable.0.0 1 > ttable.1.1 1 > ttable.2.2 1 > ttable.3.3 1 > ttable.4.4 1 > ttable.5.5 1 > ttable.6.6 1 > ttable.7.7 1 > slave.pcm hdsp > } > > in my ~/.asoundrc and use `hdsp_analog` as output device in xmms. > > Mor infos to goup your channels can be found here: > http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/7024 > > regards > Martin > > > hi, thanx very much for this response, unfortunately it does not helps in my case! i never used a .asoundrc, so copied and pasted that one from the link above, now after the boot, i dont have to run alsaconf anymore, rme shows up as hw:0,0, which is actually good. but xmms still has that problem, after setting up the .asoundrc, xmms begins to play for 2 seconds a very dirty distorted sound but than it crashes again. i am trying to use "hdsp_analog" as the output in xmms, but i have the feeling that xmms does not remember this entry, everytime i open up the "configure" dialog in the xmms, it is setted to default again? any other hints? cheers, doc From rlrevell at joe-job.com Tue Oct 3 11:49:57 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Tue Oct 3 11:49:54 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] arecord In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20061003134638.00c01d40@si.unavarra.es> References: <5.1.0.14.0.20061003134638.00c01d40@si.unavarra.es> Message-ID: <1159890598.20801.62.camel@mindpipe> On Tue, 2006-10-03 at 13:47 +0200, Candido Aramburu wrote: > [candido@s167m40 ~]$ arecord -Dplughw:ICH5,0,1 record.wav > arecord: main:547: audio open error: Dispositivo o recurso ocupado > > **Results-> the subdevice number 1 is busy > Another application is blocking the soundcard. Use -D default:ICH5,0 for dmix, or close the application that is blocking the soundcard. Lee From ico at vt.edu Tue Oct 3 12:10:29 2006 From: ico at vt.edu (Ivica Ico Bukvic) Date: Tue Oct 3 12:10:41 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] VST API license Message-ID: <003a01c6e706$72a12020$0502a8c0@64BitBadass> Hi all, I am in the process of considering to, on behalf of Linuxaudio.org, negotiate with Steinberg possible change of VST API license in order to allow its easier adoption within Linux LGPL/GPL environment. As Daniel has already pointed out, with Yamaha now owning Steinberg, we ought to have a better chance at making this a reality. For this reason, I was wondering if anyone else is currently working on this and if so what is its status. I also recall quite a few years ago Paul trying to compile a letter to Steinberg. Whatever happened to that? Ivica Ico Bukvic, D.M.A. Linuxaudio.org Director Virginia Tech Department of Music - 0240 Blacksburg, VA 24061 (540) 231-1137 (540) 231-5034 (fax) ico@linuxaudio.org http://www.music.vt.edu/people/faculty/bukvic From greened at obbligato.org Tue Oct 3 12:12:13 2006 From: greened at obbligato.org (David Greene) Date: Tue Oct 3 12:13:28 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] hdsp no input or output Message-ID: <45228BDD.9080005@obbligato.org> I'm having some trouble getting audio to and from an hdsp cardbus+multiface II setup. I can load the ALSA modules just fine, the firmware gets loaded, Jack starts up just fine, etc. But when I start up hdspmixer and set levels, I don't get anything from the input channels and I don't hear anything on the output channels. I had this working once before (with ardour, hdspmixer, etc.) so I don't know why I can't get it to go now. I seem to recall there was some trick I had to do to enable everything but I can't for the life of me remember what it was. I'm searched through the howtos and list archives but no mention of a problem like this. Can anyone point me in the right direction? Thanks. -Dave From candido at unavarra.es Tue Oct 3 12:23:47 2006 From: candido at unavarra.es (Candido Aramburu) Date: Tue Oct 3 12:24:03 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] arecord In-Reply-To: <1159890598.20801.62.camel@mindpipe> References: <5.1.0.14.0.20061003134638.00c01d40@si.unavarra.es> <5.1.0.14.0.20061003134638.00c01d40@si.unavarra.es> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20061003181535.00c02718@si.unavarra.es> Thanks to Patrick and Lee i have read the state of capture source with amixer command [candido@s167m40 musica]$ amixer cget name='Capture Source' numid=24,iface=MIXER,name='Capture Source' ; type=ENUMERATED,access=rw---,values=2,items=8 ; Item #0 'Mic' ; Item #1 'CD' ; Item #2 'Video' ; Item #3 'Aux' ; Item #4 'Line' ; Item #5 'Mix' ; Item #6 'Mix Mono' ; Item #7 'Phone' : values=1,1 and CD is configurated like capture source ... so the alsamixer aplication has not control with the capture source [candido@s167m40 musica]$ amixer cset name='Capture Source' 0,0 ..... is the solution i dont know if alsamixer has a paremeter control for SOURCE CAPTURE of ICH5 intel chipset ?????? Best Regards From ardour at semiosix.com Tue Oct 3 12:36:23 2006 From: ardour at semiosix.com (John Anderson) Date: Tue Oct 3 12:35:08 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Intel DG965WH motherboard In-Reply-To: <45226A62.3090203@hassard.net> References: <1159853364.10477.27.camel@groovious> <45226A62.3090203@hassard.net> Message-ID: <1159893383.31342.8.camel@groovious> On Tue, 2006-10-03 at 06:49 -0700, Stephen Hassard wrote: > John Anderson wrote: > > My PC died very suddenly on Sunday night (moment of silence). > > One can't buy Sempron processors here anymore, so yesterday I bought an > > Intel DG965WH motherboard with a Core Duo E6600 and 2G of RAM. I managed > ... > > - And of course since the machine is still using a 32 bit installation, > > so there's only 1 processor :-| > > Don't think that just because you're running in 32bits mode that your > second processor isn't available. Boot an SMP kernel and your other > processor should come up fine. I enabled all the SMP flags I could find in the kernel config. I've looked at the output from dmesg I don't know how many times and it was only reporting 1 processor. But when I go and look now it's actually reporting 2. Doh! and Yay! at the same time. thanks John From rlrevell at joe-job.com Tue Oct 3 13:10:34 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Tue Oct 3 13:10:23 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] arecord In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20061003181535.00c02718@si.unavarra.es> References: <5.1.0.14.0.20061003134638.00c01d40@si.unavarra.es> <5.1.0.14.0.20061003134638.00c01d40@si.unavarra.es> <5.1.0.14.0.20061003181535.00c02718@si.unavarra.es> Message-ID: <1159895434.29020.1.camel@mindpipe> On Tue, 2006-10-03 at 18:23 +0200, Candido Aramburu wrote: > Thanks to Patrick and Lee > > i have read the state of capture source with amixer command > > [candido@s167m40 musica]$ amixer cget name='Capture Source' > numid=24,iface=MIXER,name='Capture Source' > ; type=ENUMERATED,access=rw---,values=2,items=8 > ; Item #0 'Mic' > ; Item #1 'CD' > ; Item #2 'Video' > ; Item #3 'Aux' > ; Item #4 'Line' > ; Item #5 'Mix' > ; Item #6 'Mix Mono' > ; Item #7 'Phone' > : values=1,1 > > and CD is configurated like capture source ... so the alsamixer aplication > has not control with the capture source > > [candido@s167m40 musica]$ amixer cset name='Capture > Source' 0,0 ..... is the solution > Sorry, this message makes no sense. > > i dont know if alsamixer has a paremeter control for SOURCE CAPTURE of ICH5 > intel chipset ?????? You've just stated that it does. I don't understand what you are asking. Lee From rlrevell at joe-job.com Tue Oct 3 13:11:34 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Tue Oct 3 13:11:29 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Intel DG965WH motherboard In-Reply-To: <1159893383.31342.8.camel@groovious> References: <1159853364.10477.27.camel@groovious> <45226A62.3090203@hassard.net> <1159893383.31342.8.camel@groovious> Message-ID: <1159895494.29020.3.camel@mindpipe> On Tue, 2006-10-03 at 18:36 +0200, John Anderson wrote: > On Tue, 2006-10-03 at 06:49 -0700, Stephen Hassard wrote: > > John Anderson wrote: > > > My PC died very suddenly on Sunday night (moment of silence). > > > One can't buy Sempron processors here anymore, so yesterday I bought an > > > Intel DG965WH motherboard with a Core Duo E6600 and 2G of RAM. I managed > > ... > > > - And of course since the machine is still using a 32 bit installation, > > > so there's only 1 processor :-| > > > > Don't think that just because you're running in 32bits mode that your > > second processor isn't available. Boot an SMP kernel and your other > > processor should come up fine. > > I enabled all the SMP flags I could find in the kernel config. I've > looked at the output from dmesg I don't know how many times and it was > only reporting 1 processor. But when I go and look now it's actually > reporting 2. Doh! and Yay! at the same time. Maybe you had ACPI disabled? On many newer machines ACPI is required for SMP to work. Lee From tim at orford.org Tue Oct 3 13:54:44 2006 From: tim at orford.org (Tim Orford) Date: Tue Oct 3 13:55:24 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] samplecat Message-ID: <20061003175443.GF12610@sofa> >and since im such a big fan of sqlite... why did you choose mysql? >uninstalled that long ago, but still keep sqlite around beacuse things >like firefox 3.0 require it.. i use and like mysql. in retrospect it might have been better to use gnome-db to support multiple databases... samplcat was just a little sideproject, so i'm not spending any time on it at the moment, but I may get round to adding more databases eventually, though it could do with some work in other areas first. -- Tim Orford From Martin.Wohlleben at gmx.de Tue Oct 3 14:06:11 2006 From: Martin.Wohlleben at gmx.de (Martin Wohlleben) Date: Tue Oct 3 14:06:31 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] xmms does not play on multiface In-Reply-To: <452284BD.40305@gmx.net> References: <452005BF.30700@gmx.net> <1159809657.9167.7.camel@localhost> <452284BD.40305@gmx.net> Message-ID: <1159898772.8734.13.camel@localhost> Am Dienstag, den 03.10.2006, 17:41 +0200 schrieb Dragan Noveski: > Martin Wohlleben wrote: > > Am Sonntag, den 01.10.2006, 20:15 +0200 schrieb Dragan Noveski: > > > >> hi to the list, > >> i have a strange issue here with xmms, which wants not to play via > >> rme-multiface. > >> i am using 2.6.18-rt5 kernel, compiled with 1000Hz option, when i load > >> my usb device, or the onboard sound, xmms plays very well, but only on > >> the multiface i have the issue, that xmms responses only the first > >> "click" and than it freezes. > >> the same issue i have using the 2.6.16-rt13 kernel, but as it is working > >> on these kernels using the usb/onboard sound, i dont think that this is > >> related to the kernel, but perhaps to the firmware? > >> > >> dont know. > >> > >> does anybody else have this problem using rme-cards? > >> > >> cheers, > >> doc > >> > >> > > Hi, > > > > my Multiface is running fine with xmms under 2.6.26-rt29. The only thing > > is, that xmms only accepts the grouped outputs set in my ~/.asoundrc > > > > For example my multiface is hw:2, but xmms can't acces hw:2,0. So I have > > to set: > > > > pcm.hdsp { > > type hw > > card 2 > > } > > > > ctl.hdsp { > > type hw > > card 2 > > } > > > > pcm.hdsp_analog { > > type plug > > ttable.0.0 1 > > ttable.1.1 1 > > ttable.2.2 1 > > ttable.3.3 1 > > ttable.4.4 1 > > ttable.5.5 1 > > ttable.6.6 1 > > ttable.7.7 1 > > slave.pcm hdsp > > } > > > > in my ~/.asoundrc and use `hdsp_analog` as output device in xmms. > > > > Mor infos to goup your channels can be found here: > > http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/7024 > > > > regards > > Martin > > > > > > > hi, > thanx very much for this response, > unfortunately it does not helps in my case! > i never used a .asoundrc, so copied and pasted that one from the link > above, now after the boot, i dont have to run alsaconf anymore, rme > shows up as hw:0,0, which is actually good. > but xmms still has that problem, after setting up the .asoundrc, xmms > begins to play for 2 seconds a very dirty distorted sound but than it > crashes again. > i am trying to use "hdsp_analog" as the output in xmms, but i have the > feeling that xmms does not remember this entry, everytime i open up the > "configure" dialog in the xmms, it is setted to default again? > > any other hints? > > cheers, > doc > hi, I think that's because hdsp_analog isn't initialized. If your hdsp is hw:0 then you have to set pcm.hdsp to card 0. Your asoundrc should look like this then (added groups for adat and spdif like in the article above): pcm.hdsp { type hw card 0 } ctl.hdsp { type hw card 0 } pcm.hdsp_analog { type plug ttable.0.0 1 ttable.1.1 1 ttable.2.2 1 ttable.3.3 1 ttable.4.4 1 ttable.5.5 1 ttable.6.6 1 ttable.7.7 1 slave.pcm hdsp } pcm.hdsp_adat { type plug ttable.0.8 1 ttable.1.9 1 ttable.2.10 1 ttable.3.11 1 ttable.4.12 1 ttable.5.13 1 ttable.6.14 1 ttable.7.15 1 slave.pcm hdsp } pcm.hdsp_spdif { type plug ttable.0.16 1 ttable.1.17 1 slave.pcm hdsp } you can check the number of your hdsp through: cat /proc/asound/cards and test your setting using aplay -d hdsp_analog Hello. I requested this months if not years ago. Could anyone play all presets of Bristol/ZynAddSubFx/Juno and similar software synths to a flac/ogg/mp3 file? Or, for a start, could anyone generate a MIDI file which goes through all presets and plays something simple? Can MIDI data be used to change the instrument over all presets sequentially from 1 to N? If not, I may write an OSC based program which does the same. But is such a program needed? Could I just write OSC commands to a file and feed the file to the input of the synth with existing Linux socket program of some sort? Yep, all sounds played sequentially in one audio file would be nice as a quick reference what sounds are available. I would like to do the same with commercial synths like Yamaha FM synths and analogue modelling synths. Juhana -- http://music.columbia.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-graphics-dev for developers of open source graphics software From perodog at gmx.net Tue Oct 3 14:48:35 2006 From: perodog at gmx.net (Dragan Noveski) Date: Tue Oct 3 14:47:00 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] xmms does not play on multiface In-Reply-To: <1159898772.8734.13.camel@localhost> References: <452005BF.30700@gmx.net> <1159809657.9167.7.camel@localhost> <452284BD.40305@gmx.net> <1159898772.8734.13.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <4522B083.9090208@gmx.net> >>> >>> in my ~/.asoundrc and use `hdsp_analog` as output device in xmms. >>> please, can you tell me how do you set this? in my case "options-settings-configure output plugin" only accepts something which begins with "/", like "/dev..."what ever, but it does not accepts "hdsp_analog"? >>> Mor infos to goup your channels can be found here: >>> http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/7024 >>> >>> regards >>> Martin >>> >>> >>> >>> >> > hi, > > I think that's because hdsp_analog isn't initialized. If your hdsp is > hw:0 then you have to set pcm.hdsp to card 0. > > Your asoundrc should look like this then (added groups for adat and > spdif like in the article above): > > pcm.hdsp { > type hw > card 0 > } > ctl.hdsp { > type hw > card 0 > } > pcm.hdsp_analog { > type plug > ttable.0.0 1 > ttable.1.1 1 > ttable.2.2 1 > ttable.3.3 1 > ttable.4.4 1 > ttable.5.5 1 > ttable.6.6 1 > ttable.7.7 1 > slave.pcm hdsp > } > pcm.hdsp_adat { > type plug > ttable.0.8 1 > ttable.1.9 1 > ttable.2.10 1 > ttable.3.11 1 > ttable.4.12 1 > ttable.5.13 1 > ttable.6.14 1 > ttable.7.15 1 > slave.pcm hdsp > } > pcm.hdsp_spdif { > type plug > ttable.0.16 1 > ttable.1.17 1 > slave.pcm hdsp > } > > ok, changed. > you can check the number of your hdsp through: > > cat /proc/asound/cards > nowhiskey@murija2:~$ cat /proc/asound/cards 0 [DSP ]: H-DSP - Hammerfall DSP RME Hammerfall DSP + Multiface at 0xd2000000, irq 11 1 [Audio ]: USB-Audio - USB Audio USB Audio at usb-0000:00:1d.1-2, full speed 2 [I82801DBICH4 ]: ICH4 - Intel 82801DB-ICH4 Intel 82801DB-ICH4 with AD1981B at 0xd0100c00, irq 11 nowhiskey@murija2:~$ > and test your setting using > > aplay -d hdsp_analog > is this doesn't work try to check if it's usable as plugdevice: > > aplay -d plughw:0,0 > that both works. but i found out that stopping jack and starting xmms than, everything runs good, so the problem must be with "jacklaunch" ? > good lucknowhiskey@murija2:~$ cat /proc/asound/cards > 0 [DSP ]: H-DSP - Hammerfall DSP > RME Hammerfall DSP + Multiface at 0xd2000000, irq 11 > 1 [Audio ]: USB-Audio - USB Audio > USB Audio at usb-0000:00:1d.1-2, full speed > 2 [I82801DBICH4 ]: ICH4 - Intel 82801DB-ICH4 > Intel 82801DB-ICH4 with AD1981B at 0xd0100c00, irq 11 > nowhiskey@murija2:~$ > Martin > > > cheers, doc From daneasley at gmail.com Tue Oct 3 14:49:20 2006 From: daneasley at gmail.com (Dan Easley) Date: Tue Oct 3 14:49:37 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] All sounds of Bristol/ZynAddSubFx/etc? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 10/3/06, Juhana Sadeharju wrote: > Yep, all sounds played sequentially in one audio file would be nice > as a quick reference what sounds are available. I would like to > do the same with commercial synths like Yamaha FM synths and analogue > modelling synths. > One would want a variety of playing styles for each patch - or at least both stacatto and legato playing, as well as both monophonic and polyphonic. -- daneasley@gmail.com dan@towndowner.com dan@burntpossum.com http://towndowner.com http://burntpossum.com From tszilagyi at users.sourceforge.net Tue Oct 3 15:15:29 2006 From: tszilagyi at users.sourceforge.net (Tom Szilagyi) Date: Tue Oct 3 15:14:12 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [ANN] Aqualung 0.9beta6 released Message-ID: <20061003191529.GC4677@r51> The developers are pleased to announce the latest release of Aqualung, a music player for GNU/Linux. Website: http://aqualung.sf.net Without further ado, the ChangeLog is attached below. Enjoy, Tom 2006-10-03 Tom Szilagyi Aqualung 0.9beta6 http://aqualung.sf.net This release introduces a fair number of substantial improvements: * Music Store builder: automatically build a Music Store by scanning the files on disk. Perform CDDB lookups & extract metadata on the fly. * MPEG decoder enhancements: robust file recognition, VBR and UBR file support, frame-accurate seeking, true gapless playback via eliminating encoder padding+delay read from LAME headers. * Fully revamped metadata support using TagLib. The result is a more complete implementation also supporting APE tags in Musepack files. * Automatic output driver detection: ability to startup without command line arguments (using default driver parameters). * Systray (a.k.a. Notification Area) support. * Handling of compressed MOD files (.gz and .bz2). * Resolved issue with JACK memory locking (which previously resulted in runaway memory consumption when running with realtime JACK output). * Aqualung compiles & runs under FreeBSD and Cygwin. NEW LIBRARY DEPENDENCIES: * TagLib >= 1.4 is now required for metadata support. http://developer.kde.org/~wheeler/taglib.html * GTK+ >= 2.10 is needed for the (optional) Systray support. DROPPED DEPENDENCIES: * libid3tag library is not required anymore (succeeded by TagLib). From rlrevell at joe-job.com Tue Oct 3 15:16:29 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Tue Oct 3 15:16:19 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] xmms does not play on multiface In-Reply-To: <4522B083.9090208@gmx.net> References: <452005BF.30700@gmx.net> <1159809657.9167.7.camel@localhost> <452284BD.40305@gmx.net> <1159898772.8734.13.camel@localhost> <4522B083.9090208@gmx.net> Message-ID: <1159902990.29020.31.camel@mindpipe> On Tue, 2006-10-03 at 20:48 +0200, Dragan Noveski wrote: > >>> > >>> in my ~/.asoundrc and use `hdsp_analog` as output device in xmms. > >>> > please, can you tell me how do you set this? > in my case "options-settings-configure output plugin" only accepts > something > which begins with "/", like "/dev..."what ever, but it does not > accepts "hdsp_analog"? Sounds like XMMS is set to use the OSS output plugin. You need to configure it to use ALSA. Lee From perodog at gmx.net Tue Oct 3 15:43:06 2006 From: perodog at gmx.net (Dragan Noveski) Date: Tue Oct 3 15:40:58 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] xmms does not play on multiface In-Reply-To: <1159902990.29020.31.camel@mindpipe> References: <452005BF.30700@gmx.net> <1159809657.9167.7.camel@localhost> <452284BD.40305@gmx.net> <1159898772.8734.13.camel@localhost> <4522B083.9090208@gmx.net> <1159902990.29020.31.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <4522BD4A.1060202@gmx.net> Lee Revell wrote: > On Tue, 2006-10-03 at 20:48 +0200, Dragan Noveski wrote: > >>>>> in my ~/.asoundrc and use `hdsp_analog` as output device in xmms. >>>>> >>>>> >> please, can you tell me how do you set this? >> in my case "options-settings-configure output plugin" only accepts >> something >> which begins with "/", like "/dev..."what ever, but it does not >> accepts "hdsp_analog"? >> > > Sounds like XMMS is set to use the OSS output plugin. You need to > configure it to use ALSA. > > Lee > > > no, there is libjackxmms.so working as a output plugin, xmms plays on my usb device or the onboard sound, only it does not plays with multiface. if i choose "libalsa.so" as the output plugin, than i get the error message from xmms, that the device is already in use -jack is using it. than i can configure that xmms plays on another device, b.e. usb, and than everything works, so it just want not to use the same device as multiface is using. does it makes sense? cheers, doc cheers, doc From rlrevell at joe-job.com Tue Oct 3 15:49:56 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Tue Oct 3 15:49:46 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] xmms does not play on multiface In-Reply-To: <4522BD4A.1060202@gmx.net> References: <452005BF.30700@gmx.net> <1159809657.9167.7.camel@localhost> <452284BD.40305@gmx.net> <1159898772.8734.13.camel@localhost> <4522B083.9090208@gmx.net> <1159902990.29020.31.camel@mindpipe> <4522BD4A.1060202@gmx.net> Message-ID: <1159904997.29020.34.camel@mindpipe> On Tue, 2006-10-03 at 21:43 +0200, Dragan Noveski wrote: > Lee Revell wrote: > > On Tue, 2006-10-03 at 20:48 +0200, Dragan Noveski wrote: > > > >>>>> in my ~/.asoundrc and use `hdsp_analog` as output device in xmms. > >>>>> > >>>>> > >> please, can you tell me how do you set this? > >> in my case "options-settings-configure output plugin" only accepts > >> something > >> which begins with "/", like "/dev..."what ever, but it does not > >> accepts "hdsp_analog"? > >> > > > > Sounds like XMMS is set to use the OSS output plugin. You need to > > configure it to use ALSA. > > > > Lee > > > > > > > no, there is libjackxmms.so working as a output plugin, xmms plays on my > usb device or the onboard sound, only it does not plays with multiface. > if i choose "libalsa.so" as the output plugin, than i get the error > message from xmms, that the device is already in use -jack is using it. > than i can configure that xmms plays on another device, b.e. usb, and > than everything works, so it just want not to use the same device as > multiface is using. > does it makes sense? You're not going to be able to use XMMS with ALSA output while JACK is running as the HDSP lacks hardware mixing. If you're using XMMS with the JACK output plugin then you can't use devices defined in .asoundrc - you have to configure XMMS to output to JACK ports. Lee From ardour at semiosix.com Tue Oct 3 15:53:36 2006 From: ardour at semiosix.com (John Anderson) Date: Tue Oct 3 15:52:18 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Intel DG965WH motherboard In-Reply-To: <1159895494.29020.3.camel@mindpipe> References: <1159853364.10477.27.camel@groovious> <45226A62.3090203@hassard.net> <1159893383.31342.8.camel@groovious> <1159895494.29020.3.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <1159905216.31101.4.camel@groovious> On Tue, 2006-10-03 at 13:11 -0400, Lee Revell wrote: > On Tue, 2006-10-03 at 18:36 +0200, John Anderson wrote: > > On Tue, 2006-10-03 at 06:49 -0700, Stephen Hassard wrote: > > > John Anderson wrote: > > > > My PC died very suddenly on Sunday night (moment of silence). > > > > One can't buy Sempron processors here anymore, so yesterday I bought an > > > > Intel DG965WH motherboard with a Core Duo E6600 and 2G of RAM. I managed > > > ... > > > > - And of course since the machine is still using a 32 bit installation, > > > > so there's only 1 processor :-| > > > > > > Don't think that just because you're running in 32bits mode that your > > > second processor isn't available. Boot an SMP kernel and your other > > > processor should come up fine. > > > > I enabled all the SMP flags I could find in the kernel config. I've > > looked at the output from dmesg I don't know how many times and it was > > only reporting 1 processor. But when I go and look now it's actually > > reporting 2. Doh! and Yay! at the same time. > > Maybe you had ACPI disabled? On many newer machines ACPI is required > for SMP to work. That sounds likely. I remember turning on all the ACPI flags I could find, quite late in the config-compile-install-reboot dance. bye John From perodog at gmx.net Tue Oct 3 16:05:57 2006 From: perodog at gmx.net (Dragan Noveski) Date: Tue Oct 3 16:03:43 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] xmms does not play on multiface In-Reply-To: <1159904997.29020.34.camel@mindpipe> References: <452005BF.30700@gmx.net> <1159809657.9167.7.camel@localhost> <452284BD.40305@gmx.net> <1159898772.8734.13.camel@localhost> <4522B083.9090208@gmx.net> <1159902990.29020.31.camel@mindpipe> <4522BD4A.1060202@gmx.net> <1159904997.29020.34.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <4522C2A5.7040307@gmx.net> Lee Revell wrote: > On Tue, 2006-10-03 at 21:43 +0200, Dragan Noveski wrote: > >> Lee Revell wrote: >> >>> On Tue, 2006-10-03 at 20:48 +0200, Dragan Noveski wrote: >>> >>> >>>>>>> in my ~/.asoundrc and use `hdsp_analog` as output device in xmms. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>> please, can you tell me how do you set this? >>>> in my case "options-settings-configure output plugin" only accepts >>>> something >>>> which begins with "/", like "/dev..."what ever, but it does not >>>> accepts "hdsp_analog"? >>>> >>>> >>> Sounds like XMMS is set to use the OSS output plugin. You need to >>> configure it to use ALSA. >>> >>> Lee >>> >>> >>> >>> >> no, there is libjackxmms.so working as a output plugin, xmms plays on my >> usb device or the onboard sound, only it does not plays with multiface. >> if i choose "libalsa.so" as the output plugin, than i get the error >> message from xmms, that the device is already in use -jack is using it. >> than i can configure that xmms plays on another device, b.e. usb, and >> than everything works, so it just want not to use the same device as >> multiface is using. >> does it makes sense? >> > > You're not going to be able to use XMMS with ALSA output while JACK is > running as the HDSP lacks hardware mixing. If you're using XMMS with > the JACK output plugin then you can't use devices defined in .asoundrc - > you have to configure XMMS to output to JACK ports. > > Lee > > > ok, that sounds interesting: no using libalsa.so while jack is runing, no able to use libjackxmms.so, so how i do adjust the xmms to connect to jack. usualy i do this with "jacklaunch", but on multiface it does not run. cheers, doc From rlrevell at joe-job.com Tue Oct 3 16:16:41 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Tue Oct 3 16:16:30 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] xmms does not play on multiface In-Reply-To: <4522C2A5.7040307@gmx.net> References: <452005BF.30700@gmx.net> <1159809657.9167.7.camel@localhost> <452284BD.40305@gmx.net> <1159898772.8734.13.camel@localhost> <4522B083.9090208@gmx.net> <1159902990.29020.31.camel@mindpipe> <4522BD4A.1060202@gmx.net> <1159904997.29020.34.camel@mindpipe> <4522C2A5.7040307@gmx.net> Message-ID: <1159906602.29020.36.camel@mindpipe> On Tue, 2006-10-03 at 22:05 +0200, Dragan Noveski wrote: > Lee Revell wrote: > > On Tue, 2006-10-03 at 21:43 +0200, Dragan Noveski wrote: > > > >> Lee Revell wrote: > >> > >>> On Tue, 2006-10-03 at 20:48 +0200, Dragan Noveski wrote: > >>> > >>> > >>>>>>> in my ~/.asoundrc and use `hdsp_analog` as output device in xmms. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>> please, can you tell me how do you set this? > >>>> in my case "options-settings-configure output plugin" only accepts > >>>> something > >>>> which begins with "/", like "/dev..."what ever, but it does not > >>>> accepts "hdsp_analog"? > >>>> > >>>> > >>> Sounds like XMMS is set to use the OSS output plugin. You need to > >>> configure it to use ALSA. > >>> > >>> Lee > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >> no, there is libjackxmms.so working as a output plugin, xmms plays on my > >> usb device or the onboard sound, only it does not plays with multiface. > >> if i choose "libalsa.so" as the output plugin, than i get the error > >> message from xmms, that the device is already in use -jack is using it. > >> than i can configure that xmms plays on another device, b.e. usb, and > >> than everything works, so it just want not to use the same device as > >> multiface is using. > >> does it makes sense? > >> > > > > You're not going to be able to use XMMS with ALSA output while JACK is > > running as the HDSP lacks hardware mixing. If you're using XMMS with > > the JACK output plugin then you can't use devices defined in .asoundrc - > > you have to configure XMMS to output to JACK ports. > > > > Lee > > > > > > > ok, that sounds interesting: no using libalsa.so while jack is runing, > no able to use libjackxmms.so, > > so how i do adjust the xmms to connect to jack. > usualy i do this with "jacklaunch", but on multiface it does not run. No idea. It should work with libjackxmms. Maybe you should try a newer player, with native JACK support. XMMS has been unmaintained for years. Lee From perodog at gmx.net Tue Oct 3 16:32:30 2006 From: perodog at gmx.net (Dragan Noveski) Date: Tue Oct 3 16:30:17 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] xmms does not play on multiface In-Reply-To: <1159906602.29020.36.camel@mindpipe> References: <452005BF.30700@gmx.net> <1159809657.9167.7.camel@localhost> <452284BD.40305@gmx.net> <1159898772.8734.13.camel@localhost> <4522B083.9090208@gmx.net> <1159902990.29020.31.camel@mindpipe> <4522BD4A.1060202@gmx.net> <1159904997.29020.34.camel@mindpipe> <4522C2A5.7040307@gmx.net> <1159906602.29020.36.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <4522C8DE.7020503@gmx.net> Lee Revell wrote: > On Tue, 2006-10-03 at 22:05 +0200, Dragan Noveski wrote: > >> Lee Revell wrote: >> >>> On Tue, 2006-10-03 at 21:43 +0200, Dragan Noveski wrote: >>> >>> >>>> Lee Revell wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>> On Tue, 2006-10-03 at 20:48 +0200, Dragan Noveski wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>>>> in my ~/.asoundrc and use `hdsp_analog` as output device in xmms. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>> please, can you tell me how do you set this? >>>>>> in my case "options-settings-configure output plugin" only accepts >>>>>> something >>>>>> which begins with "/", like "/dev..."what ever, but it does not >>>>>> accepts "hdsp_analog"? >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> Sounds like XMMS is set to use the OSS output plugin. You need to >>>>> configure it to use ALSA. >>>>> >>>>> Lee >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> no, there is libjackxmms.so working as a output plugin, xmms plays on my >>>> usb device or the onboard sound, only it does not plays with multiface. >>>> if i choose "libalsa.so" as the output plugin, than i get the error >>>> message from xmms, that the device is already in use -jack is using it. >>>> than i can configure that xmms plays on another device, b.e. usb, and >>>> than everything works, so it just want not to use the same device as >>>> multiface is using. >>>> does it makes sense? >>>> >>>> >>> You're not going to be able to use XMMS with ALSA output while JACK is >>> running as the HDSP lacks hardware mixing. If you're using XMMS with >>> the JACK output plugin then you can't use devices defined in .asoundrc - >>> you have to configure XMMS to output to JACK ports. >>> >>> Lee >>> >>> >>> >>> >> ok, that sounds interesting: no using libalsa.so while jack is runing, >> no able to use libjackxmms.so, >> >> so how i do adjust the xmms to connect to jack. >> usualy i do this with "jacklaunch", but on multiface it does not run. >> > > No idea. It should work with libjackxmms. > > Maybe you should try a newer player, with native JACK support. XMMS has > been unmaintained for years. > > Lee > > > of course, you are right, but the only ones which are able to play cdda is alsaplayer (realy slow on my machine + very poor interface) and xmms. i just compiled aqualung, which looks very good and runs good too, but no able to play cdda. does anybody knows about another player which is able to play cdda in jack modus? cheers, doc From perodog at gmx.net Tue Oct 3 16:36:06 2006 From: perodog at gmx.net (Dragan Noveski) Date: Tue Oct 3 16:33:57 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [ANN] Aqualung 0.9beta6 released In-Reply-To: <20061003191529.GC4677@r51> References: <20061003191529.GC4677@r51> Message-ID: <4522C9B6.8080307@gmx.net> Tom Szilagyi wrote: > The developers are pleased to announce the latest release of > Aqualung, a music player for GNU/Linux. > > Website: http://aqualung.sf.net > > Without further ado, the ChangeLog is attached below. > > Enjoy, > Tom > > > 2006-10-03 Tom Szilagyi > > Aqualung 0.9beta6 > http://aqualung.sf.net > > This release introduces a fair number of substantial improvements: > > * Music Store builder: automatically build a Music Store by scanning the > files on disk. Perform CDDB lookups & extract metadata on the fly. > > * MPEG decoder enhancements: robust file recognition, VBR and UBR file > support, frame-accurate seeking, true gapless playback via eliminating > encoder padding+delay read from LAME headers. > > * Fully revamped metadata support using TagLib. The result is a more > complete implementation also supporting APE tags in Musepack files. > > * Automatic output driver detection: ability to startup without command > line arguments (using default driver parameters). > > * Systray (a.k.a. Notification Area) support. > > * Handling of compressed MOD files (.gz and .bz2). > > * Resolved issue with JACK memory locking (which previously resulted in > runaway memory consumption when running with realtime JACK output). > > * Aqualung compiles & runs under FreeBSD and Cygwin. > > > NEW LIBRARY DEPENDENCIES: > > * TagLib >= 1.4 is now required for metadata support. > http://developer.kde.org/~wheeler/taglib.html > > * GTK+ >= 2.10 is needed for the (optional) Systray support. > > > DROPPED DEPENDENCIES: > > * libid3tag library is not required anymore (succeeded by TagLib). > > > excellent work, builds good, runs good and works good with jack. are you guys planing to implement the ability to play cdda into aqualung. cheers, doc From markknecht at gmail.com Tue Oct 3 17:08:54 2006 From: markknecht at gmail.com (Mark Knecht) Date: Tue Oct 3 17:09:01 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [ANN] Aqualung 0.9beta6 released In-Reply-To: <20061003191529.GC4677@r51> References: <20061003191529.GC4677@r51> Message-ID: <5bdc1c8b0610031408u69fd9e17g3e7093cdf161f610@mail.gmail.com> On 10/3/06, Tom Szilagyi wrote: > The developers are pleased to announce the latest release of > Aqualung, a music player for GNU/Linux. > > Website: http://aqualung.sf.net > > Without further ado, the ChangeLog is attached below. > > Enjoy, > Tom Great stuff guys! Congrats! - Mark From forest at alittletooquiet.net Tue Oct 3 17:24:15 2006 From: forest at alittletooquiet.net (Forest Bond) Date: Tue Oct 3 17:24:25 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] 70th Birthday of Steve Reich. In-Reply-To: <1159883297.4749.194.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <20061003105322.6afcf3f8.mdeboer@iua.upf.es> <1159883297.4749.194.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <20061003212415.GC395@storm.local.network> On Tue, Oct 03, 2006 at 09:48:17AM -0400, Paul Davis wrote: > On Tue, 2006-10-03 at 10:53 +0200, Maarten de Boer wrote: > > Today is the 70th Birthday of composer Steve Reich. > > > > In his honour, I ran Stevie Wonder's "Happy Birthday" through tapiir > > (+ jack + rezound) > bravo! > > and a happy birthday to steve reich, whom i first encountered at the > tender age of 16 and my life has never been the same since. one of the > many geniuses of 20th century music. I bet that's a heck of a story. I wonder if it would be acceptable use of bandwidth to tell it? -F -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 191 bytes Desc: Digital signature Url : http://music.columbia.edu/pipermail/linux-audio-user/attachments/20061003/52609875/attachment.bin From drucer99 at yahoo.com Tue Oct 3 17:48:38 2006 From: drucer99 at yahoo.com (Drucer Ninetynine) Date: Tue Oct 3 17:48:49 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] All sounds of Bristol/ZynAddSubFx/etc? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20061003214838.52380.qmail@web52204.mail.yahoo.com> --- Juhana Sadeharju wrote: > > Hello. I requested this months if not years ago. > Could anyone play > all presets of Bristol/ZynAddSubFx/Juno and similar > software synths to > a flac/ogg/mp3 file? Very good idea! I hope somebody has the time and the energy to do it. I'd like to learn to use these software synthesizers. I have heard Van Halen used Oberheim OS-XA on their hit single "Jump", but when I tried to get the same sound out of Bristol OS-X emulation, I couldn't get any sound near that. But yes, I do understand, it's my fault. I have never played the original Oberheim OB-XA nor do I know how Van Halen got that sound by using that synth (they have probably used some effects with the synth in the studio), but I do want to learn! I want to be able to play "Jump" synth parts with Bristol and I know it's possible if I'd just learn how to do it. So, sound samples and instructions would be welcome! Thanks! __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From folderol at ukfsn.org Tue Oct 3 18:09:21 2006 From: folderol at ukfsn.org (Folderol) Date: Tue Oct 3 18:08:09 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] All sounds of Bristol/ZynAddSubFx/etc? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20061003230921.5c08de75@localhost> On Tue, 3 Oct 2006 21:26:20 +0300 Juhana Sadeharju wrote: > > Hello. I requested this months if not years ago. Could anyone play > all presets of Bristol/ZynAddSubFx/Juno and similar software synths to > a flac/ogg/mp3 file? > > Or, for a start, could anyone generate a MIDI file which goes through > all presets and plays something simple? Can MIDI data be used to change > the instrument over all presets sequentially from 1 to N? > > If not, I may write an OSC based program which does the same. But is > such a program needed? Could I just write OSC commands to a file and > feed the file to the input of the synth with existing Linux socket > program of some sort? > > Yep, all sounds played sequentially in one audio file would be nice > as a quick reference what sounds are available. I would like to > do the same with commercial synths like Yamaha FM synths and analogue > modelling synths. > > Juhana I'm a bit confused here. I don't see how you CAN go though all the Zyn presets - or are you really meaning the voice/patch banks? As you can create any voices and banks of voices that you like 'All' becomes a piece of elastic! Also, as far as I know there is no way to get MIDI messages to change voices, and I don't believe Paul has any intention of doing that. -- Will J G From Martin.Wohlleben at gmx.de Tue Oct 3 18:08:42 2006 From: Martin.Wohlleben at gmx.de (Martin Wohlleben) Date: Tue Oct 3 18:09:44 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] xmms does not play on multiface In-Reply-To: <4522C8DE.7020503@gmx.net> References: <452005BF.30700@gmx.net> <1159809657.9167.7.camel@localhost> <452284BD.40305@gmx.net> <1159898772.8734.13.camel@localhost> <4522B083.9090208@gmx.net> <1159902990.29020.31.camel@mindpipe> <4522BD4A.1060202@gmx.net> <1159904997.29020.34.camel@mindpipe> <4522C2A5.7040307@gmx.net> <1159906602.29020.36.camel@mindpipe> <4522C8DE.7020503@gmx.net> Message-ID: <1159913322.13671.14.camel@localhost> Am Dienstag, den 03.10.2006, 22:32 +0200 schrieb Dragan Noveski: > Lee Revell wrote: > > On Tue, 2006-10-03 at 22:05 +0200, Dragan Noveski wrote: > > > >> Lee Revell wrote: > >> > >>> On Tue, 2006-10-03 at 21:43 +0200, Dragan Noveski wrote: > >>> > >>> > >>>> Lee Revell wrote: > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>> On Tue, 2006-10-03 at 20:48 +0200, Dragan Noveski wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>>>>>> in my ~/.asoundrc and use `hdsp_analog` as output device in xmms. > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> please, can you tell me how do you set this? > >>>>>> in my case "options-settings-configure output plugin" only accepts > >>>>>> something > >>>>>> which begins with "/", like "/dev..."what ever, but it does not > >>>>>> accepts "hdsp_analog"? > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>> Sounds like XMMS is set to use the OSS output plugin. You need to > >>>>> configure it to use ALSA. > >>>>> > >>>>> Lee > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>> no, there is libjackxmms.so working as a output plugin, xmms plays on my > >>>> usb device or the onboard sound, only it does not plays with multiface. > >>>> if i choose "libalsa.so" as the output plugin, than i get the error > >>>> message from xmms, that the device is already in use -jack is using it. > >>>> than i can configure that xmms plays on another device, b.e. usb, and > >>>> than everything works, so it just want not to use the same device as > >>>> multiface is using. > >>>> does it makes sense? > >>>> > >>>> > >>> You're not going to be able to use XMMS with ALSA output while JACK is > >>> running as the HDSP lacks hardware mixing. If you're using XMMS with > >>> the JACK output plugin then you can't use devices defined in .asoundrc - > >>> you have to configure XMMS to output to JACK ports. > >>> > >>> Lee > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >> ok, that sounds interesting: no using libalsa.so while jack is runing, > >> no able to use libjackxmms.so, > >> > >> so how i do adjust the xmms to connect to jack. > >> usualy i do this with "jacklaunch", but on multiface it does not run. > >> > > > > No idea. It should work with libjackxmms. > > > > Maybe you should try a newer player, with native JACK support. XMMS has > > been unmaintained for years. > > > > Lee > > > > > > > of course, you are right, but the only ones which are able to play > cdda is alsaplayer (realy slow on my machine + very poor interface) > and xmms. > i just compiled aqualung, which looks very good and runs good too, but > no able to play cdda. > > does anybody knows about another player which is able to play cdda in > jack modus? > > cheers, > doc Hi, I tried once to use the native KDE CD playe r (i believe KSCD) with jack. So I configured arts to use jack, but that's not a proper solution just for hearing CDs. I would recommend to stay at xmms (beacuse I also don't know another jack ready sound player which is jack ready and plays CDDA). So, if you want to use xmms wiht alsa, you have to stop jack on your hdsp and use then you can the alsa outputplugin with hdsp_analog. Otherwise you can leave jack running on your hdsp and use xmms with it's jack output plug (http://xmms-jack.sourceforge.net) to connect it. You can use qjackctl or qjackconnect to link xmms's output to the right output of your soundcard. Regards Martin From drucer99 at yahoo.com Tue Oct 3 18:22:57 2006 From: drucer99 at yahoo.com (Drucer Ninetynine) Date: Tue Oct 3 18:23:05 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] All sounds of Bristol/ZynAddSubFx/etc? In-Reply-To: <20061003230921.5c08de75@localhost> Message-ID: <20061003222258.73282.qmail@web52207.mail.yahoo.com> --- Folderol wrote: > I'm a bit confused here. I don't see how you CAN go > though all the Zyn > presets - or are you really meaning the voice/patch > banks? I guess just some general softsynth demos would do just fine. What I'd like to know is - how good are these soft synths? If you go to URL below, you can hear Van Halen's "1984" intro song that was played with Oberheim OB-Xa. What I'd like to know is - is it possible to play that song with software synthesizers? I've been playing guitar since 1984 and I do not know much about hardware synthesizers and I know even less about software synthesizers. But I wanna learn this stuff! http://www.amazon.com/1984-Van-Halen/dp/B00004Y6O3/sr=8-5/qid=1159913812/ref=pd_bbs_5/002-0376294-5477660?ie=UTF8&s=music __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From perodog at gmx.net Tue Oct 3 18:44:40 2006 From: perodog at gmx.net (Dragan Noveski) Date: Tue Oct 3 18:42:30 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] xmms does not play on multiface In-Reply-To: <1159913322.13671.14.camel@localhost> References: <452005BF.30700@gmx.net> <1159809657.9167.7.camel@localhost> <452284BD.40305@gmx.net> <1159898772.8734.13.camel@localhost> <4522B083.9090208@gmx.net> <1159902990.29020.31.camel@mindpipe> <4522BD4A.1060202@gmx.net> <1159904997.29020.34.camel@mindpipe> <4522C2A5.7040307@gmx.net> <1159906602.29020.36.camel@mindpipe> <4522C8DE.7020503@gmx.net> <1159913322.13671.14.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <4522E7D8.3000207@gmx.net> Martin Wohlleben wrote: > .... > Otherwise you can leave jack running on your hdsp and use xmms with it's > jack output plug (http://xmms-jack.sourceforge.net) to connect it. > You can use qjackctl or qjackconnect to link xmms's output to the right > output of your soundcard. > > Regards > Martin > > > hey martin, that was the real hint! i was using the "libjackxmms.so" as the output, but the thing i needed to have is "lib jackout.so", availibel at the url you wrote above. wow, it is running now again! very much thanks to you martin and to other people tried to solve my problem. cheers, doc From paul at linuxaudiosystems.com Tue Oct 3 19:08:41 2006 From: paul at linuxaudiosystems.com (Paul Davis) Date: Tue Oct 3 19:09:25 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] 70th Birthday of Steve Reich. In-Reply-To: <20061003212415.GC395@storm.local.network> References: <20061003105322.6afcf3f8.mdeboer@iua.upf.es> <1159883297.4749.194.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20061003212415.GC395@storm.local.network> Message-ID: <1159916921.4749.210.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Tue, 2006-10-03 at 17:24 -0400, Forest Bond wrote: > On Tue, Oct 03, 2006 at 09:48:17AM -0400, Paul Davis wrote: > > On Tue, 2006-10-03 at 10:53 +0200, Maarten de Boer wrote: > > > Today is the 70th Birthday of composer Steve Reich. > > > > > > In his honour, I ran Stevie Wonder's "Happy Birthday" through tapiir > > > (+ jack + rezound) > > bravo! > > > > and a happy birthday to steve reich, whom i first encountered at the > > tender age of 16 and my life has never been the same since. one of the > > many geniuses of 20th century music. > > I bet that's a heck of a story. I wonder if it would be acceptable use of > bandwidth to tell it? i think you're supposing that "first encountered" meant "met in person". alas no. i was just putting on the headphones in our family living room, about to listen to some klaus schulze or tangerine dream or whatever kraut-space-music i had just purchased. the system was set to listen to BBC Radio 4, and as i put the phones on i came in on the middle of "music for 18 musicians". at 16, or perhaps any age, and in 1979, figuring out what on earth that music was seemed impossible ... not gamelan, not rock, not dub, not space music, not classical, not african drumming. it changed me forever. sorry there's no good story about actually meeting reich :) --p From folderol at ukfsn.org Tue Oct 3 19:17:58 2006 From: folderol at ukfsn.org (Folderol) Date: Tue Oct 3 19:16:44 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] All sounds of Bristol/ZynAddSubFx/etc? In-Reply-To: <20061003222258.73282.qmail@web52207.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20061003230921.5c08de75@localhost> <20061003222258.73282.qmail@web52207.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20061004001758.135530dd@localhost> On Tue, 3 Oct 2006 15:22:57 -0700 (PDT) Drucer Ninetynine wrote: > --- Folderol wrote: > > > I'm a bit confused here. I don't see how you CAN go > > though all the Zyn > > presets - or are you really meaning the voice/patch > > banks? > > I guess just some general softsynth demos would do > just fine. Well you could always follow the links some of us put up on here :) I use Zyn quite heavily (not that I'm suggesting I can manage more than a fraction of its capabalities). Thorsten uses om amongst other things etc. If you would like to grab http://www.folderol.ukfsn.org/Collection.zip, unzip it and put it in your Zyn banks directory then, using the virtual keyboard you can hear what these sound like - That's on top of the rather large range that Paul has provided by default! > What I'd like to know is - how good are these soft > synths? If you go to URL below, you can hear Van > Halen's "1984" intro song that was played with > Oberheim OB-Xa. What I'd like to know is - is it > possible to play that song with software synthesizers? Unfortunately I can't get this to play. I'm never terribly bothered about getting my browser to play stuff. The streaming quality is usually pretty naff so if it doesn't work immediately and won't allow a download I don't usually bother. > I've been playing guitar since 1984 and I do not know > much about hardware synthesizers and I know even less > about software synthesizers. But I wanna learn this > stuff! After about a year, I think I am just beginning to understand Zyn's capabilities. Now I have to learn how to use them! I suspect that the real limit is not Zyn itself, but the speed of your processor. > http://www.amazon.com/1984-Van-Halen/dp/B00004Y6O3/sr=8-5/qid=1159913812/ref=pd_bbs_5/002-0376294-5477660?ie=UTF8&s=music > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > -- Will J G http://www.musically.me.uk From ico at vt.edu Tue Oct 3 19:47:50 2006 From: ico at vt.edu (Ivica Ico Bukvic) Date: Tue Oct 3 19:47:59 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] 70th Birthday of Steve Reich. In-Reply-To: <1159916921.4749.210.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <006f01c6e746$56739460$0502a8c0@64BitBadass> > > > and a happy birthday to steve reich, whom i first encountered at the > > > tender age of 16 and my life has never been the same since. one of the > > > many geniuses of 20th century music. > > > > I bet that's a heck of a story. I wonder if it would be acceptable use > of > > bandwidth to tell it? > > i think you're supposing that "first encountered" meant "met in person". > alas no. i was just putting on the headphones in our family living room, Sometimes it is better to know a composer through their music rather than by acquaintance. Ico From forest at alittletooquiet.net Tue Oct 3 20:50:35 2006 From: forest at alittletooquiet.net (Forest Bond) Date: Tue Oct 3 20:50:45 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] 70th Birthday of Steve Reich. In-Reply-To: <1159916921.4749.210.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <20061003105322.6afcf3f8.mdeboer@iua.upf.es> <1159883297.4749.194.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20061003212415.GC395@storm.local.network> <1159916921.4749.210.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <20061004005035.GD395@storm.local.network> On Tue, Oct 03, 2006 at 07:08:41PM -0400, Paul Davis wrote: > > > and a happy birthday to steve reich, whom i first encountered at the > > > tender age of 16 and my life has never been the same since. one of the > > > many geniuses of 20th century music. > > > > I bet that's a heck of a story. I wonder if it would be acceptable use of > > bandwidth to tell it? > > i think you're supposing that "first encountered" meant "met in person". > alas no. i was just putting on the headphones in our family living room, > about to listen to some klaus schulze or tangerine dream or whatever > kraut-space-music i had just purchased. the system was set to listen to > BBC Radio 4, and as i put the phones on i came in on the middle of > "music for 18 musicians". at 16, or perhaps any age, and in 1979, > figuring out what on earth that music was seemed impossible ... not > gamelan, not rock, not dub, not space music, not classical, not african > drumming. it changed me forever. sorry there's no good story about > actually meeting reich :) Ah, I like that kind of story, too. That's probably how most musicians would prefer to be "encountered," anyway, since that's the part they're offering to the world. -Forest -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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From michael at michaelshiloh.com Tue Oct 3 20:53:39 2006 From: michael at michaelshiloh.com (michael@michaelshiloh.com) Date: Tue Oct 3 20:55:29 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Good News / Bad News In-Reply-To: <20061004005057.GA19619@patch.com> References: <20061004005057.GA19619@patch.com> Message-ID: i saw a post just yesterday on the ubuntu forum about restoring flash sounds after installing something else (what it was i forgot) which apparently often caused loss of flash sounds. a search there with appropriate keywords may help you. if i find it i'll post it. On Tue, 3 Oct 2006, Michael Rasmussen wrote: > Good News: muddled through getting Rosegarden set up and actually producing > sound. > > Bad News: flash sounds (wife loves em) through the browser are no longer > played. > > I know there's a conflict somewhere. > > could one of you point me towards a solution please? > > ubuntu, firefox, konqueror is the target environment. > > -- > Michael Rasmussen, Portland Oregon > Be appropriate && Follow your curiosity > http://www.patch.com/words/ or http://fut.patch.com/ > The fortune cookie says: > If I pull this SWITCH I'll be RITA HAYWORTH!! Or a SCIENTOLOGIST! > > From t_w_ at freenet.de Wed Oct 4 03:41:44 2006 From: t_w_ at freenet.de (Thorsten Wilms) Date: Wed Oct 4 03:42:30 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Music: There's A Girl In-Reply-To: <452283CC.1070509@boosthardware.com> References: <20061003140547.GA29513@charly.SWORD> <452283CC.1070509@boosthardware.com> Message-ID: <20061004074144.GA5375@charly.SWORD> On Tue, Oct 03, 2006 at 10:37:48PM +0700, Patrick Shirkey wrote: > > > >http://www.archive.org/details/theres_a_girl > That's an interesting take on the topic. > > - The wind is a nice touch. > > - The timbre and rhythm of the vocal track fits very nicely. Thanks :) > - Your English passes the basic test of not obviously sounding like a > second language. Which is something that I have found ruins many > otherwise well crafted Amatuer/Semi-pro tracks. Cool. Havn't actualy spoken english since several years, but I listened to drew's spoken words closely and after dozens of takes ... :) > - I found myself wanting the vocal to start about 1 minute into the track. > > My suggestion is to bring in the vocal track earlier and loop it a > couple more times with more effects/layering/remixing/dubbing each time > to really highlight and emphasize the tormented, cynical and slightly > submissive nature of the lyrics. I considered looping it 3 or 4 times, but was worried it could only wear out. The last line of the text justs asks for an end. But if I ever toch this again, I will take your suggestion into account. -- Thorsten Wilms From paniq at paniq.org Wed Oct 4 04:15:19 2006 From: paniq at paniq.org (Leonard "paniq" Ritter) Date: Wed Oct 4 04:15:50 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Good News / Bad News In-Reply-To: <20061004005057.GA19619@patch.com> References: <20061004005057.GA19619@patch.com> Message-ID: <1159949719.9135.2.camel@localhost> flash uses oss directly (/dev/dsp) and needs exclusive access to sound resources. if anything else is running (jack, alsa) it doesn't work. On Tue, 2006-10-03 at 17:50 -0700, Michael Rasmussen wrote: > Good News: muddled through getting Rosegarden set up and actually producing > sound. > > Bad News: flash sounds (wife loves em) through the browser are no longer > played. > > I know there's a conflict somewhere. > > could one of you point me towards a solution please? > > ubuntu, firefox, konqueror is the target environment. > -- -- leonard "paniq" ritter -- http://www.mjoo.org -- http://www.paniq.org From ivalladolidt at terra.es Wed Oct 4 05:27:58 2006 From: ivalladolidt at terra.es (Ismael Valladolid Torres) Date: Wed Oct 4 05:28:11 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] 70th Birthday of Steve Reich. In-Reply-To: <006f01c6e746$56739460$0502a8c0@64BitBadass> References: <1159916921.4749.210.camel@localhost.localdomain> <006f01c6e746$56739460$0502a8c0@64BitBadass> Message-ID: <20061004092758.GC11651@gmail.com> Ivica Ico Bukvic escribe: > Sometimes it is better to know a composer through their music rather than by > acquaintance. I'd say most of the times. Musicians use to be very uninteresting people. Cordially, Ismael -- Ismael Valladolid Torres "Il est vain de pleurer sur l'esprit, il suffit de travailler pour lui." Albert Camus http://digitrazos.info/ http://lamediahostia.blogspot.com/ OpenPGP key ID: 0xDE721AF4 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I have never had an OB-Xa to actually get this sound out of, but I have also never spoken to any owner who has been able to get "Jump" out of their synth either, everybody had tried to and a few had at least come "close, but no bacon". When I was writing this emulation I had sounds come out that were reminicent of Strange Little Girl by The Stranglers, Greenfield being a big Oberheim fan, but I will admit that I have not been able to get them back. The sound is out there though. BTW, the bristol OB-Xa is two synths, no? There is an up/down button to toggle between the two layers, and that will massively affect the sounds being generated. The keyboard should also be in layer mode to double up the sounds rather than have 10 note poly or split keyboard. Regarding programme changes in Bristol, these are currently not implemented either. Next major release. _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ From peder at musikhuset.org Wed Oct 4 10:01:10 2006 From: peder at musikhuset.org (Peder Hedlund) Date: Wed Oct 4 10:01:58 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [ANN] Aqualung 0.9beta6 released In-Reply-To: <20061003191529.GC4677@r51> References: <20061003191529.GC4677@r51> Message-ID: On Tue, 3 Oct 2006, Tom Szilagyi wrote: > The developers are pleased to announce the latest release of > Aqualung, a music player for GNU/Linux. > Website: http://aqualung.sf.net One thing I miss is drag-n-drop from rox. That's probably the only thing that keeps me from switching from xmms. Also it would be neat if the playlist window was attachable to the main one, so it would follow when moved. - Peder From markknecht at gmail.com Wed Oct 4 10:11:03 2006 From: markknecht at gmail.com (Mark Knecht) Date: Wed Oct 4 10:11:12 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [ANN] Aqualung 0.9beta6 released In-Reply-To: References: <20061003191529.GC4677@r51> Message-ID: <5bdc1c8b0610040711t5f3d341cwf3eb7015887f3304@mail.gmail.com> On 10/4/06, Peder Hedlund wrote: > On Tue, 3 Oct 2006, Tom Szilagyi wrote: > > > The developers are pleased to announce the latest release of > > Aqualung, a music player for GNU/Linux. > > Website: http://aqualung.sf.net > > One thing I miss is drag-n-drop from rox. > That's probably the only thing that keeps me from switching from xmms. > > Also it would be neat if the playlist window was attachable to the main > one, so it would follow when moved. > > - Peder > Check out the option 'Embed playlist into main window' on the Playlist options page. I run Aqualung on it's own desktop in Gnome so I don't have the move complaint myself. However you can choose the option 'United window minimazation' to remove all windows from the screen at the same time. Cheers, Mark From tszilagyi at users.sourceforge.net Wed Oct 4 15:20:14 2006 From: tszilagyi at users.sourceforge.net (Tom Szilagyi) Date: Wed Oct 4 15:25:10 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [ANN] Aqualung 0.9beta6 released In-Reply-To: References: <20061003191529.GC4677@r51> Message-ID: <20061004192014.GB3755@r51> On Wed, Oct 04, 2006 at 04:01:10PM +0200, Peder Hedlund wrote: > > One thing I miss is drag-n-drop from rox. > That's probably the only thing that keeps me from switching from xmms. One of the smaller usability issues that will definitely be addressed in future releases. Stay tuned. > Also it would be neat if the playlist window was attachable to the main > one, so it would follow when moved. It is, look for the "Embedded playlist" option, as Mark already suggested. Tom From tszilagyi at users.sourceforge.net Wed Oct 4 15:17:51 2006 From: tszilagyi at users.sourceforge.net (Tom Szilagyi) Date: Wed Oct 4 15:25:21 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [ANN] Aqualung 0.9beta6 released In-Reply-To: <4522C9B6.8080307@gmx.net> References: <20061003191529.GC4677@r51> <4522C9B6.8080307@gmx.net> Message-ID: <20061004191751.GA3755@r51> On Tue, Oct 03, 2006 at 10:36:06PM +0200, Dragan Noveski wrote: > > excellent work, builds good, runs good and works good with jack. > are you guys planing to implement the ability to play cdda into aqualung. Yes. CD player support and internet radio (streaming + podcast) are the main feature sets we intend to do before declaring Aqualung 1.0. Tom From a at gaydenko.com Wed Oct 4 15:30:14 2006 From: a at gaydenko.com (Andrew Gaydenko) Date: Wed Oct 4 15:29:43 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [ANN] Aqualung 0.9beta6 released In-Reply-To: <20061004191751.GA3755@r51> References: <20061003191529.GC4677@r51> <4522C9B6.8080307@gmx.net> <20061004191751.GA3755@r51> Message-ID: <200610042330.14647@goldspace.net> Tom, Is lirc support among other main intended features? :-) Thanks for the player! Andrew ======= On Wednesday 04 October 2006 23:17, Tom Szilagyi wrote: ======= ... Yes. CD player support and internet radio (streaming + podcast) are the main feature sets we intend to do before declaring Aqualung 1.0. Tom From markknecht at gmail.com Wed Oct 4 15:39:21 2006 From: markknecht at gmail.com (Mark Knecht) Date: Wed Oct 4 15:39:40 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [ANN] Aqualung 0.9beta6 released In-Reply-To: <20061004191751.GA3755@r51> References: <20061003191529.GC4677@r51> <4522C9B6.8080307@gmx.net> <20061004191751.GA3755@r51> Message-ID: <5bdc1c8b0610041239va216212hfaae04f9635bc8fb@mail.gmail.com> On 10/4/06, Tom Szilagyi wrote: > On Tue, Oct 03, 2006 at 10:36:06PM +0200, Dragan Noveski wrote: > > > > excellent work, builds good, runs good and works good with jack. > > are you guys planing to implement the ability to play cdda into aqualung. > > Yes. CD player support and internet radio (streaming + podcast) are > the main feature sets we intend to do before declaring Aqualung 1.0. > > Tom > At which point I shall declare Nirvana found.... ;-) - Mark From tszilagyi at users.sourceforge.net Wed Oct 4 15:45:39 2006 From: tszilagyi at users.sourceforge.net (Tom Szilagyi) Date: Wed Oct 4 15:44:24 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [ANN] Aqualung 0.9beta6 released In-Reply-To: <200610042330.14647@goldspace.net> References: <20061003191529.GC4677@r51> <4522C9B6.8080307@gmx.net> <20061004191751.GA3755@r51> <200610042330.14647@goldspace.net> Message-ID: <20061004194539.GA3945@r51> On Wed, Oct 04, 2006 at 11:30:14PM +0400, Andrew Gaydenko wrote: > Tom, > > Is lirc support among other main intended features? :-) No(t yet). But this may change. :) Tom From folderol at ukfsn.org Wed Oct 4 16:06:06 2006 From: folderol at ukfsn.org (Folderol) Date: Wed Oct 4 16:04:52 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [ANN] Aqualung 0.9beta6 released In-Reply-To: <20061004192014.GB3755@r51> References: <20061003191529.GC4677@r51> <20061004192014.GB3755@r51> Message-ID: <20061004210606.3c7873f0@localhost> On Wed, 4 Oct 2006 21:20:14 +0200 Tom Szilagyi wrote: > On Wed, Oct 04, 2006 at 04:01:10PM +0200, Peder Hedlund wrote: > > > > One thing I miss is drag-n-drop from rox. > > That's probably the only thing that keeps me from switching from xmms. > > One of the smaller usability issues that will definitely be addressed > in future releases. Stay tuned. I'm a drag-n-dropper as well, so I'll be keeping a lookout too :) -- Will J G From folderol at ukfsn.org Wed Oct 4 16:13:16 2006 From: folderol at ukfsn.org (Folderol) Date: Wed Oct 4 16:12:08 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Music: There's A Girl In-Reply-To: <20061003140547.GA29513@charly.SWORD> References: <20061003140547.GA29513@charly.SWORD> Message-ID: <20061004211316.4c784087@localhost> On Tue, 3 Oct 2006 16:05:47 +0200 Thorsten Wilms wrote: > Hi! > > http://www.archive.org/details/theres_a_girl > > > "There's a girl, that want's to own you > from your head, down to your toes > She wants your mind, your soul and spirit > Why it is, she only knows > > You must take, your money with you > Every night, out on the town > You hesitate, just for an instant > She'll cut you loose, to sink and drown > > Her heart is cold, so cold and deep boy > Like the waters, of the ocean's tongue > Her eyes are sharp, they'll stab your back boy > So watch her close, don't turn and run." > > A text by drew Roberts, which you can find as spoken > words at > http://www.archive.org/details/dragirl > > > These words and the inherent rhythm inspired me to > make a track, and after trying rap and some kinda > reggae, I finally pulled this through. > > My usual tools: Om, MusE, Jamin > Other tools: my voice, keyring and a coffee mug. > > If anyone thinks he can add something, or do a > better job at singing ... i'm all ears and willing > to make revised version in cooperation. > All files can be made available on request. > > All feedback welcome. I especialy like to hear > descriptions of the track, your own view on it. > Reviews at the archive would also be nice ;) > > > Cheers, > Thorsten Wilms The earlier instrumental section seems to have a distinctly Oriental/Asian feel to it. Whereas the song itself seems more African influenced. I'll have to listen to it some more, but I think I agree with other comments that the lead-in is really on the long side. I wonder if the song could be partly overlaid on this? Just a thought. I find the whole piece unusual enough to be interesting, without jarring. I suppose you could call the song itself 'soft' rap. -- Will J G From tszilagyi at users.sourceforge.net Wed Oct 4 15:50:43 2006 From: tszilagyi at users.sourceforge.net (Tom Szilagyi) Date: Wed Oct 4 16:32:25 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [ANN] Aqualung 0.9beta6 released In-Reply-To: <5bdc1c8b0610041239va216212hfaae04f9635bc8fb@mail.gmail.com> References: <20061003191529.GC4677@r51> <4522C9B6.8080307@gmx.net> <20061004191751.GA3755@r51> <5bdc1c8b0610041239va216212hfaae04f9635bc8fb@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20061004195043.GB3945@r51> On Wed, Oct 04, 2006 at 12:39:21PM -0700, Mark Knecht wrote: > On 10/4/06, Tom Szilagyi wrote: > >On Tue, Oct 03, 2006 at 10:36:06PM +0200, Dragan Noveski wrote: > >> > >> excellent work, builds good, runs good and works good with jack. > >> are you guys planing to implement the ability to play cdda into aqualung. > > > >Yes. CD player support and internet radio (streaming + podcast) are > >the main feature sets we intend to do before declaring Aqualung 1.0. > > > >Tom > > > At which point I shall declare Nirvana found.... ;-) Sure, but don't hold your breath :) I make a decent living doing software engineering, but unfortunately it's not Aqualung, not even Audio, not even Linux. And the amount of my free time tends to vary greatly. But then we have other developers as well... :) Tom From rlrevell at joe-job.com Wed Oct 4 16:43:59 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Wed Oct 4 16:43:46 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [ANN] Aqualung 0.9beta6 released In-Reply-To: <20061004195043.GB3945@r51> References: <20061003191529.GC4677@r51> <4522C9B6.8080307@gmx.net> <20061004191751.GA3755@r51> <5bdc1c8b0610041239va216212hfaae04f9635bc8fb@mail.gmail.com> <20061004195043.GB3945@r51> Message-ID: <1159994640.2481.22.camel@mindpipe> On Wed, 2006-10-04 at 21:50 +0200, Tom Szilagyi wrote: > On Wed, Oct 04, 2006 at 12:39:21PM -0700, Mark Knecht wrote: > > On 10/4/06, Tom Szilagyi wrote: > > >On Tue, Oct 03, 2006 at 10:36:06PM +0200, Dragan Noveski wrote: > > >> > > >> excellent work, builds good, runs good and works good with jack. > > >> are you guys planing to implement the ability to play cdda into aqualung. > > > > > >Yes. CD player support and internet radio (streaming + podcast) are > > >the main feature sets we intend to do before declaring Aqualung 1.0. > > > > > >Tom > > > > > At which point I shall declare Nirvana found.... ;-) > > Sure, but don't hold your breath :) > > I make a decent living doing software engineering, > but unfortunately it's not Aqualung, not even Audio, > not even Linux. And the amount of my free time tends > to vary greatly. > > But then we have other developers as well... :) Just a thought - maybe Google or Ubuntu or another distro would be willing to fund you. I think it reflects very badly on the Linux desktop that the default media player is either XMMS (unmaintained for years) or whatever garbage Gnome and KDE are pushing this month. A top notch media player that distros could standardize on would be a big step forward. Lee From cannam at all-day-breakfast.com Wed Oct 4 17:06:21 2006 From: cannam at all-day-breakfast.com (Chris Cannam) Date: Wed Oct 4 17:02:36 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Music: There's A Girl In-Reply-To: <20061004211316.4c784087@localhost> References: <20061003140547.GA29513@charly.SWORD> <20061004211316.4c784087@localhost> Message-ID: <200610042206.22080.cannam@all-day-breakfast.com> On Wednesday 04 Oct 2006 21:13, Folderol wrote: > I think I agree with other > comments that the lead-in is really on the long side. I like that (in this case). Chris From greened at obbligato.org Wed Oct 4 21:20:05 2006 From: greened at obbligato.org (David A. Greene) Date: Wed Oct 4 21:20:39 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: hdsp no input or output [SOLVED] In-Reply-To: <45228BDD.9080005@obbligato.org> References: <45228BDD.9080005@obbligato.org> Message-ID: <45245DC5.2020903@obbligato.org> David Greene wrote: > I can load the ALSA modules just fine, the firmware gets > loaded, Jack starts up just fine, etc. But when I start > up hdspmixer and set levels, I don't get anything from > the input channels and I don't hear anything on the output > channels. I figured it out: bad cable. Which is odd because it's almost brand new. How frustrating. But at least it works now! -Dave From t_w_ at freenet.de Thu Oct 5 04:16:22 2006 From: t_w_ at freenet.de (Thorsten Wilms) Date: Thu Oct 5 04:16:35 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Music: There's A Girl In-Reply-To: <20061004211316.4c784087@localhost> References: <20061003140547.GA29513@charly.SWORD> <20061004211316.4c784087@localhost> Message-ID: <20061005081622.GA5365@charly.SWORD> On Wed, Oct 04, 2006 at 09:13:16PM +0100, Folderol wrote: > > http://www.archive.org/details/theres_a_girl > > The earlier instrumental section seems to have a distinctly > Oriental/Asian feel to it. Whereas the song itself seems more > African influenced. Interesting. Both came into being by just 'noodling' over what was already there until it felt right. I would hope it doesn't need explanation, but the lead in the first part is meant to represent the girl. So a clearly different feel is good :) Perhaps I used a pentatonic scale. The lead is doubly doubled, with one octave down and up, and +7. The later might be part of a possible oriental/asian feel. > I'll have to listen to it some more, but I think I agree with other > comments that the lead-in is really on the long side. I wonder if the > song could be partly overlaid on this? Just a thought. You mean the singing overlaid on the instrumental part? No way. Different roles. Nobody dares to get in the way while it's the girl's turn. Oh, and my voice and Om arn't in the same tuning, it seems ;) > I find the whole piece unusual enough to be interesting, without > jarring. I suppose you could call the song itself 'soft' rap. Cool, thanks for your comments :) -- Thorsten Wilms From dlphillips at woh.rr.com Thu Oct 5 07:26:01 2006 From: dlphillips at woh.rr.com (Dave Phillips) Date: Thu Oct 5 07:01:27 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Native Linux VST plugins finally? In-Reply-To: <1157993208.5076.213.camel@mindpipe> References: <20060911163938.13413.qmail@web52212.mail.yahoo.com> <1157993208.5076.213.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <4524EBC9.8050508@woh.rr.com> Lee Revell wrote: >[snip] > >There will never be native Linux VST plugins, VST has a non-free license. > Another way of putting it: There will never be native Linux VST plugins *as long as* VST has a non-free license. A little hope never hurts. Ico is now trying to lobby Yamaha/Steinberg into a license change to make it more favorable to FOSS development. Best, dp From paul at linuxaudiosystems.com Thu Oct 5 08:08:56 2006 From: paul at linuxaudiosystems.com (Paul Davis) Date: Thu Oct 5 08:09:48 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Native Linux VST plugins finally? In-Reply-To: <4524EBC9.8050508@woh.rr.com> References: <20060911163938.13413.qmail@web52212.mail.yahoo.com> <1157993208.5076.213.camel@mindpipe> <4524EBC9.8050508@woh.rr.com> Message-ID: <1160050136.5367.20.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Thu, 2006-10-05 at 07:26 -0400, Dave Phillips wrote: > Lee Revell wrote: > > >[snip] > > > >There will never be native Linux VST plugins, VST has a non-free license. > > > Another way of putting it: > > There will never be native Linux VST plugins *as long as* VST has a > non-free license. > > A little hope never hurts. Ico is now trying to lobby Yamaha/Steinberg > into a license change to make it more favorable to FOSS development. perhaps equally significantly, so are my employers who are also in the middle of negotiating potential technology deals with Y/S. From lau at kudla.org Thu Oct 5 11:30:35 2006 From: lau at kudla.org (Rob) Date: Thu Oct 5 11:41:08 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Native Linux VST plugins finally? In-Reply-To: <4524EBC9.8050508@woh.rr.com> References: <20060911163938.13413.qmail@web52212.mail.yahoo.com> <1157993208.5076.213.camel@mindpipe> <4524EBC9.8050508@woh.rr.com> Message-ID: <200610051130.35937.lau@kudla.org> On Thursday 05 October 2006 07:26, Dave Phillips wrote: > >There will never be native Linux VST plugins, VST has a > > non-free license. > A little hope never hurts. Ico is now trying to lobby > Yamaha/Steinberg into a license change to make it more > favorable to FOSS development. I certainly would appreciate GPL/LGPL plugins, but why wouldn't someone trying to develop a Linux plugin use LADSPA? Rob From rj at spamatica.se Fri Oct 6 08:42:01 2006 From: rj at spamatica.se (Robert Jonsson) Date: Fri Oct 6 08:39:57 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Music: There's A Girl In-Reply-To: <20061003140547.GA29513@charly.SWORD> References: <20061003140547.GA29513@charly.SWORD> Message-ID: <200610061442.02821.rj@spamatica.se> Hi Thorsten, On Tuesday 03 October 2006 16:05, Thorsten Wilms wrote: > Hi! > > http://www.archive.org/details/theres_a_girl > > <...> > > These words and the inherent rhythm inspired me to > make a track, and after trying rap and some kinda > reggae, I finally pulled this through. > > My usual tools: Om, MusE, Jamin > Other tools: my voice, keyring and a coffee mug. > > If anyone thinks he can add something, or do a > better job at singing ... i'm all ears and willing > to make revised version in cooperation. > All files can be made available on request. > > All feedback welcome. I especialy like to hear > descriptions of the track, your own view on it. > Reviews at the archive would also be nice ;) Oh, this was an odd bird, as usual very well produced! Recalling some of your earlier pieces this feels very differently. Partly of course because there are real voices in there. :) I found the asian theme in the beginning very airy and nice. As someone else noted it changes to something else when the vocals come in, quite nice but the vocals could be processed further. I think the lead lacks some presence, possibly just bring it closer in the mix, or increase high mid (or something). At times there is some low frequency synth sound in the background that competes with the voices (or is it a voice?), it grows a little muddy over that period. As I said, very well produced, so my comments are therefore of the nitpicking kind. Or as a friend always says; I compare everything with the sun. ;) Oh, one last question. The drumming, is that an Om patch?? Regards, Robert > > > Cheers, > Thorsten Wilms -- http://spamatica.se/musicsite/ From t_w_ at freenet.de Fri Oct 6 09:54:11 2006 From: t_w_ at freenet.de (Thorsten Wilms) Date: Fri Oct 6 09:54:40 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Music: There's A Girl In-Reply-To: <200610061442.02821.rj@spamatica.se> References: <20061003140547.GA29513@charly.SWORD> <200610061442.02821.rj@spamatica.se> Message-ID: <20061006135410.GA5395@charly.SWORD> On Fri, Oct 06, 2006 at 02:42:01PM +0200, Robert Jonsson wrote: > > http://www.archive.org/details/theres_a_girl > Oh, this was an odd bird, as usual very well produced! > Recalling some of your earlier pieces this feels very differently. Partly of > course because there are real voices in there. :) > > I found the asian theme in the beginning very airy and nice. As someone else > noted it changes to something else when the vocals come in, quite nice but > the vocals could be processed further. > I think the lead lacks some presence, possibly just bring it closer in the > mix, or increase high mid (or something). I wanted to make the lead sound a bit distant, as the basic idea behind it is a sirene ala Odysseus, allthough not all seductive, but a bit obnoxious. Didn't think about her origin ... dang now I drew an european girl for the cover ;) > At times there is some low frequency synth sound in the background that > competes with the voices (or is it a voice?), it grows a little muddy over > that period. It's noise through low-pass filter with resonance and the pitch for cutoff. It's meant to be something between whistling wind and male humming choir, a backdrop to give the lead context. It shouldn't compete, so I might look at this again. > As I said, very well produced, so my comments are therefore of the nitpicking > kind. Or as a friend always says; I compare everything with the sun. ;) Heh, thank you, thank you :) > Oh, one last question. The drumming, is that an Om patch?? 2, kick and a snap/snare thing. They might resurface as Ingen examples or perhaps in Smack. -- Thorsten Wilms From yves at jazzcomputer.org Fri Oct 6 13:15:11 2006 From: yves at jazzcomputer.org (Yves Potin) Date: Fri Oct 6 13:15:23 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Control path in Om Message-ID: <20061006171511.GP4025@localhost> Hi. I'm becoming like a goat, as we say in French, when trying to pilot a control path with a midi input in Om. Let's say I take the osc provided in the CAPS suite, which has its frequency available as a control parameter (in green). How can I control this parameter with another thing, for example a MIDI input, as I can find absolutely no module which has a frequency as a control (green) output ? (there are the frequency modulators but again it raises the problem to enter in this module a frequency, and find a frequency as control signal at the ouput. None of the four frequency modulators seem to permit this). And if I want the (blue) output of a VCO to control another thing, let's say the frequency, or depth, or whatever, of a LFO which has a control (green) input, or the frequency of a filter, how can this be made ? If I understand well what a synth is, I always believed that the output of a module can be used either as an audio signal or a control signal. What did I miss in Om ? I have installed these plugins : [I] media-plugins/caps-plugins (0.3.0-r1): [I] media-plugins/fil-plugins (0.1.0): [I] media-plugins/mcp-plugins (0.3.0): [I] media-plugins/rev-plugins (0.3.1): [I] media-plugins/swh-plugins (0.4.15): [I] media-plugins/tap-plugins (0.7.0): [I] media-plugins/vco-plugins (0.3.0): [I] media-plugins/njl-plugins (0.2.1-r1): [I] media-plugins/omins (0.2.0): Thanks in advance for any help. Best, Y. From t_w_ at freenet.de Fri Oct 6 14:13:17 2006 From: t_w_ at freenet.de (Thorsten Wilms) Date: Fri Oct 6 14:13:46 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Control path in Om In-Reply-To: <20061006171511.GP4025@localhost> References: <20061006171511.GP4025@localhost> Message-ID: <20061006181317.GD5395@charly.SWORD> On Fri, Oct 06, 2006 at 07:15:11PM +0200, Yves Potin wrote: > > > Hi. > I'm becoming like a goat, as we say in French, when trying to > pilot a control path with a midi input in Om. > Let's say I take the osc provided in the CAPS suite, which has its > frequency available as a control parameter (in green). How can I control > this parameter with another thing, for example a MIDI input, as I can > find absolutely no module which has a frequency as a control (green) > output ? (there are the frequency modulators but again it raises the > problem to enter in this module a frequency, and find a frequency as > control signal at the ouput. None of the four frequency modulators seem to > permit this). > And if I want the (blue) output of a VCO to control another thing, > let's say the frequency, or depth, or whatever, of a LFO which has a > control (green) input, or the frequency of a filter, how can this be made > ? You just have to use the right plugins. Control rates are good for static parameters and you rarely will use them for something dynamic. Use control rate frequency oscs only for fixed freq. Use audio rate frequency oscs if you want to modulate it. There's a control to audio rate plugin and there's some tracker plugin for the other way (can't remember name and collection right now, sorry). I hardly ever need them. > If I understand well what a synth is, I always believed that the > output of a module can be used either as an audio signal or a control > signal. What did I miss in Om ? That's classic modular synthesis, yes. Audio rate is expensive, and that's why LADSPA has 2 rates and Om follows. -- Thorsten Wilms From yves at jazzcomputer.org Fri Oct 6 15:21:36 2006 From: yves at jazzcomputer.org (Yves Potin) Date: Fri Oct 6 15:21:40 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Control path in Om In-Reply-To: <20061006181317.GD5395@charly.SWORD> References: <20061006171511.GP4025@localhost> <20061006181317.GD5395@charly.SWORD> Message-ID: <20061006192136.GQ4025@localhost> Le 06 Oct ? 20:13, Thorsten Wilms ecrivait: > You just have to use the right plugins. Control rates are good for static > parameters and you rarely will use them for something dynamic. > > Use control rate frequency oscs only for fixed freq. > Use audio rate frequency oscs if you want to modulate it. > > There's a control to audio rate plugin and there's some tracker plugin > for the other way (can't remember name and collection right now, sorry). > I hardly ever need them. Thanks for the answer, I'll take care of the advice. But I've just found this : http://atte.dk/om-wiki/AudioControlConversion which make me think that what I try to do isn't completely weird, or maybe am I not alone :). The plugin described in this page is exactly what I'm looking for, has it been written as it's suggested ? Would anyone know what could be its name and in what collection one could find it ? All this is very curious, because for example various synths emulations available in Bristol permit to do this immediately, the ARP 2600 especially. But I must have misunderstood the philosophy of Om about that, I will take care of this. Cheers, Y. From mail at jensgulden.de Fri Oct 6 16:33:05 2006 From: mail at jensgulden.de (Jens Gulden) Date: Fri Oct 6 16:32:02 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Midi data arrives, but gets stuck in ALSA's buffer Message-ID: <4526BD81.3020103@jensgulden.de> Hello, very weird: cat /proc/asound/card2/midi0 -> MidiSport 2x2 Output 0 Tx bytes : 0 Output 1 Tx bytes : 0 Input 0 Rx bytes : 1186 Buffer size : 4096 Avail : 1186 <--- ### SHOULD BE 0, NOT ==RX BYTES! ### Overruns : 0 Input 1 Rx bytes : 0 Instead of passing the data further to the connected timidity, it gets stuck in the receive-buffer. When 4096 is reached, overruns start to count up. Connections have been set up using qjackctl. vkeybd->timidity works fine. The system is Musix0.50b12, realtime-kernel 2.6.15.4, with manually added MidiSport2x2 firmware. However, I don't think this is a typical "My-MidiSport-does-not-run-on-Musix" problem, as the firmware successfully loads and the MidiSport gets recognized as available device in ALSA. Even the data seems to arrive well as shown by "Rx bytes" (number of bytes per note-event is correct). What is wrong? Further information: cat /proc/asound/cards -> 0 [D3 ]: USB-Audio - Direct Mix USB 3 Aardvark Computer Systems Direct Mix USB 3 at usb-0000:00:07.2-1.3, full speed 1 [Solo1 ]: ES1938 - ESS ES1938 (Solo-1) ESS ES1938 (Solo-1) rev 0, irq 10 2 [M2x2 ]: USB-Audio - MidiSport 2x2 M-Audio MidiSport 2x2 at usb-0000:00:07.2-1.2, full speed cat /proc/asound/devices -> 16: [0- 0]: digital audio playback 24: [0- 0]: digital audio capture 0: [0- 0]: ctl 1: : sequencer 33: : timer 40: [1- 0]: raw midi 36: [1- 0]: hardware dependent 48: [1- 0]: digital audio playback 56: [1- 0]: digital audio capture 32: [1- 0]: ctl 72: [2- 0]: raw midi 64: [2- 0]: ctl cat /proc/asound/modules -> 0 snd_usb_audio 1 snd_es1938 2 snd_usb_audio cat /proc/asound/version -> Advanced Linux Sound Architecture Driver Version 1.0.10rc3 (Mon Nov 07 13:30:21 2005 UTC). Thanks for help, Jens From folderol at ukfsn.org Fri Oct 6 18:31:13 2006 From: folderol at ukfsn.org (Folderol) Date: Fri Oct 6 18:29:46 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Needs Drums Message-ID: <20061006233113.42d9759c@localhost> Would anyone like to add a fairly aggressive drum track to something I've been working on? It's at http://www.musically.me.uk/music/Running_Through_The_Night.ogg It's all done with Rosegarden and ZynAddSubFX so I can easily supply the 'construction files' to anyone who is interested. -- Will J G From rncbc at rncbc.org Fri Oct 6 19:25:13 2006 From: rncbc at rncbc.org (Rui Nuno Capela) Date: Fri Oct 6 19:22:32 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [ANN] QjackCtl 0.2.21 is out! Message-ID: <4526E5D9.9040008@rncbc.org> Greetings, In the wake of the JACK 0.102.20 release, here goes the respective friendly GUI: QjackCtl 0.2.21 is out. As usual, the change-log says it all: - GPL address update. - All window captions can now be set smaller as tool-widgets. This option takes effect when child windows are kept always on top. - For the brave of heart, specially the ones brave enough to try with Stephane Letz's jackdmp, a win32 build should be now possible. - The main window button text labels are now optional (after a kind suggestion by Geoff Beasley, thanks). - Increse default maximum number of ports setting from 128 to 256. - Initial freebob backend driver support. Also changed the coreaudio backend driver command line device name/id parameter (EXPERIMENTAL). - Closing the main window while not as an active JACK client, nor under a server running state, will just quit the whole application, even though the system-tray icon option is in effect. - The most relevant transport commands (Rewind, Play and Pause) are now made available on the main window context popup menu. - The post-shutdown script is now also being called when using the Stop button, whether the jackd server has been started internally or not. The initial hard-coded default is now on and set to `killall jackd` (as a workaround to an old request from Stephane Letz). - The main window buttons display are now optional. One can choose whether the left, right and/or transport buttons are hidden, making it for a total of six different modes for the main window presentation (after a much simpler suggestion from Paul Davis and Stephane Letz). - Added configure support for x86_64 libraries (UNTESTED). Nuff this time. Hope you enjoy. -- rncbc aka Rui Nuno Capela From mail at jensgulden.de Fri Oct 6 19:39:38 2006 From: mail at jensgulden.de (Jens Gulden) Date: Fri Oct 6 19:38:27 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Terratec Midi Hubble supported? Message-ID: <4526E93A.5000404@jensgulden.de> Hello, is the "Terratec Midi Hubble" (usb midi-interface) supported by ALSA? (There's a list on supported hardware at http://www.alsa-project.org/alsa-doc/, but it seems to cover audio-cards only.) Thanks Jens From paniq at paniq.org Fri Oct 6 22:05:38 2006 From: paniq at paniq.org (Leonard "paniq" Ritter) Date: Fri Oct 6 22:06:12 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Needs Drums In-Reply-To: <20061006233113.42d9759c@localhost> References: <20061006233113.42d9759c@localhost> Message-ID: <1160186738.6016.2.camel@localhost> what about contributing to ccmixter.org? On Fri, 2006-10-06 at 23:31 +0100, Folderol wrote: > Would anyone like to add a fairly aggressive drum track to something > I've been working on? > > It's at http://www.musically.me.uk/music/Running_Through_The_Night.ogg > > It's all done with Rosegarden and ZynAddSubFX so I can easily supply > the 'construction files' to anyone who is interested. > -- -- leonard "paniq" ritter -- http://www.mjoo.org -- http://www.paniq.org From chris at mccormick.cx Fri Oct 6 22:45:44 2006 From: chris at mccormick.cx (Chris McCormick) Date: Fri Oct 6 22:54:11 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Native Linux VST plugins finally? In-Reply-To: <200610051130.35937.lau@kudla.org> References: <20060911163938.13413.qmail@web52212.mail.yahoo.com> <1157993208.5076.213.camel@mindpipe> <4524EBC9.8050508@woh.rr.com> <200610051130.35937.lau@kudla.org> Message-ID: <20061007024543.GA24773@mccormick.cx> On Thu, Oct 05, 2006 at 11:30:35AM -0400, Rob wrote: > On Thursday 05 October 2006 07:26, Dave Phillips wrote: > > >There will never be native Linux VST plugins, VST has a > > > non-free license. > > A little hope never hurts. Ico is now trying to lobby > > Yamaha/Steinberg into a license change to make it more > > favorable to FOSS development. > > I certainly would appreciate GPL/LGPL plugins, but why wouldn't > someone trying to develop a Linux plugin use LADSPA? Hi Rob, They might want users of other operating systems to be able to use their plugin in any software they like, including a GPL Windows audio application. Actually, I have a question about that. If person A made a VST that was GPL, and person B loaded it into a proprietary audio app, wouldn't it technically have to be GPL in order to dynamically link in the GPL plugin? This seems to me to be a bit like binary blobs in the kernel. Best regards, Chris. ------------------- chris@mccormick.cx http://mccormick.cx From bkhl at elektrubadur.se Sat Oct 7 03:03:20 2006 From: bkhl at elektrubadur.se (=?utf-8?Q?Bj=C3=B6rn_Lindstr=C3=B6m?=) Date: Sat Oct 7 03:03:34 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Native Linux VST plugins finally? References: <20060911163938.13413.qmail@web52212.mail.yahoo.com> <1157993208.5076.213.camel@mindpipe> <4524EBC9.8050508@woh.rr.com> <200610051130.35937.lau@kudla.org> <20061007024543.GA24773@mccormick.cx> Message-ID: <878xjshakn.fsf@killalla.dreaming> Chris McCormick : > Actually, I have a question about that. If person A made a VST that > was GPL, and person B loaded it into a proprietary audio app, > wouldn't it technically have to be GPL in order to dynamically link > in the GPL plugin? This seems to me to be a bit like binary blobs in > the kernel. The GPL is very clear on that it doesn't restrict you from _running_ the program in any way you want. That is, person A gave person B the plug-in under a license that allows person B to run it however he wants, and he does - end of story. (Trouble might begin if person be ships along the plug-in as part of a software package which is not it self GPL or at least Free Software, but that's a different and much more complicated issue.) From lars.luthman at gmail.com Sat Oct 7 04:22:23 2006 From: lars.luthman at gmail.com (Lars Luthman) Date: Sat Oct 7 04:22:30 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Control path in Om In-Reply-To: <20061006192136.GQ4025@localhost> References: <20061006171511.GP4025@localhost> <20061006181317.GD5395@charly.SWORD> <20061006192136.GQ4025@localhost> Message-ID: <1160209343.12238.0.camel@c213-100-20-9.swipnet.se> On Fri, 2006-10-06 at 21:21 +0200, Yves Potin wrote: > Le 06 Oct ? 20:13, Thorsten Wilms ecrivait: > > > You just have to use the right plugins. Control rates are good for static > > parameters and you rarely will use them for something dynamic. > > > > Use control rate frequency oscs only for fixed freq. > > Use audio rate frequency oscs if you want to modulate it. > > > > There's a control to audio rate plugin and there's some tracker plugin > > for the other way (can't remember name and collection right now, sorry). > > I hardly ever need them. > > Thanks for the answer, I'll take care of the advice. > But I've just found this : > http://atte.dk/om-wiki/AudioControlConversion which make me think that > what I try to do isn't completely weird, or maybe am I not alone :). The > plugin described in this page is exactly what I'm looking for, has it been > written as it's suggested ? Would anyone know what could be its name and in > what collection one could find it ? I wrote a trivial LADSPA plugin to do that a while ago. It's not officially released, but I think I posted it on the old Om mailing lise. -- Lars Luthman - please encrypt any email sent to me if possible PGP key: http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x04C77E2E Fingerprint: FCA7 C790 19B9 322D EB7A E1B3 4371 4650 04C7 7E2E -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I would like to suggest giving a listen to Propellerheads Spybreak and perhaps the James Bond theme plus On Her Majesty's Service. No exact matches in mood or anything, just prime examples of the direction I would like to see this taken. Propellerheads beats qualify as fairly aggressive, given that I'm sure you don't usualy listen to Alec Empire or something ;) -- Thorsten Wilms From dubphil at free.fr Sat Oct 7 05:25:06 2006 From: dubphil at free.fr (Dubphil) Date: Sat Oct 7 05:25:16 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Needs Drums In-Reply-To: <1160186738.6016.2.camel@localhost> References: <20061006233113.42d9759c@localhost> <1160186738.6016.2.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <45277272.7060700@free.fr> Leonard "paniq" Ritter a ?crit : > what about contributing to ccmixter.org? > > or on oneshotsamples.com ;) I could give you an invite... Regards Philippe From j.silvestre at wanadoo.fr Sat Oct 7 05:26:05 2006 From: j.silvestre at wanadoo.fr (joel silvestre) Date: Sat Oct 7 05:26:20 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] 2.6.18-rt5 compile error In-Reply-To: <20061007084910.GA5388@charly.SWORD> References: <20061006233113.42d9759c@localhost> <20061007084910.GA5388@charly.SWORD> Message-ID: <1160213166.3903.52.camel@zordi> Hi, I try to compile a 2.6.18-rt5 on a intel core duo laptop and make modules_install gives an error : WARNING: /lib/modules/2.6.18-rt5/kernel/arch/i386/kernel/apm.ko needs unknown symbol pm_send_all make: *** [_modinst_post] Erreur 1 Should I disable Power management in .config? Joel From pedro.lopez.cabanillas at gmail.com Sat Oct 7 05:58:47 2006 From: pedro.lopez.cabanillas at gmail.com (Pedro Lopez-Cabanillas) Date: Sat Oct 7 05:58:55 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Terratec Midi Hubble supported? In-Reply-To: <20061007092524.3276434FD060@music.columbia.edu> References: <20061007092524.3276434FD060@music.columbia.edu> Message-ID: <200610071158.47566.pedro.lopez.cabanillas@gmail.com> On Saturday, 07 Oct 2006 01:39, Jens Gulden wrote: > is the "Terratec Midi Hubble" (usb midi-interface) supported by ALSA? > > (There's a list on supported hardware at > http://www.alsa-project.org/alsa-doc/, but it seems to cover audio-cards > only.) There is another list of supported/unsupported USB MIDI hardware here: http://qbik.ch/usb/devices/search_res.php?pattern=midi But the Terratec MIDI Hubble is not listed. About your report regarding the Midisport 2x2, I can confirm your findings with ALSA 1.0.12 and I'm compiling now the new release (1.0.13) to test it. Seems a bug in ALSA. They have a web based bug-tracking system. Do you want to report it to them? https://bugtrack.alsa-project.org Regards, Pedro From yves at jazzcomputer.org Sat Oct 7 07:44:48 2006 From: yves at jazzcomputer.org (Yves Potin) Date: Sat Oct 7 07:45:34 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Control path in Om In-Reply-To: <1160209343.12238.0.camel@c213-100-20-9.swipnet.se> References: <20061006171511.GP4025@localhost> <20061006181317.GD5395@charly.SWORD> <20061006192136.GQ4025@localhost> <1160209343.12238.0.camel@c213-100-20-9.swipnet.se> Message-ID: <20061007114448.GR4025@localhost> Le 07 Oct ? 10:22, Lars Luthman ecrivait: > I wrote a trivial LADSPA plugin to do that a while ago. It's not > officially released, but I think I posted it on the old Om mailing lise. Thank you very much, that's exactly what I was searching for. I've found your plugin there : http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/om-synth/2005-11/msg00032.html The result is here : http://www.jazzcomputer.org/om.jpg http://www.jazzcomputer.org/noise.om As, without your plugin, I've spent much more than three or four hours to do what I wanted without success, and found the solution in 5 minutes with it, I'd be very curious and interested to know how this can be achieved in the ? traditional ? way in Om, i.e. controlling in time the evolution of a filter with an envelope, which seems a somewhat common use of a synth to me :). Thanks again, Y. From lars.luthman at gmail.com Sat Oct 7 08:12:57 2006 From: lars.luthman at gmail.com (Lars Luthman) Date: Sat Oct 7 08:13:02 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Control path in Om In-Reply-To: <20061007114448.GR4025@localhost> References: <20061006171511.GP4025@localhost> <20061006181317.GD5395@charly.SWORD> <20061006192136.GQ4025@localhost> <1160209343.12238.0.camel@c213-100-20-9.swipnet.se> <20061007114448.GR4025@localhost> Message-ID: <1160223177.12238.7.camel@c213-100-20-9.swipnet.se> On Sat, 2006-10-07 at 13:44 +0200, Yves Potin wrote: > Le 07 Oct ? 10:22, Lars Luthman ecrivait: > > > I wrote a trivial LADSPA plugin to do that a while ago. It's not > > officially released, but I think I posted it on the old Om mailing lise. > > > Thank you very much, that's exactly what I was searching for. I've > found your plugin there : > http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/om-synth/2005-11/msg00032.html > The result is here : > http://www.jazzcomputer.org/om.jpg > http://www.jazzcomputer.org/noise.om > As, without your plugin, I've spent much more than three or four > hours to do what I wanted without success, and found the solution in 5 > minutes with it, I'd be very curious and interested to know how this can > be achieved in the ? traditional ? way in Om, i.e. controlling in time the > evolution of a filter with an envelope, which seems a somewhat common > use of a synth to me :). In the particular case that you show in your screenshot, wouldn't you get the same result (or better, since you don't do any downsampling) if you set "Resonance (CR)" to 0, "Resonance gain" to 1, and connect the amp_mono_0 output directly to the "Resonance (AR)" port on the filter? -- Lars Luthman - please encrypt any email sent to me if possible PGP key: http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x04C77E2E Fingerprint: FCA7 C790 19B9 322D EB7A E1B3 4371 4650 04C7 7E2E -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I've > found your plugin there : > http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/om-synth/2005-11/msg00032.html > The result is here : > http://www.jazzcomputer.org/om.jpg > http://www.jazzcomputer.org/noise.om > As, without your plugin, I've spent much more than three or four > hours to do what I wanted without success, and found the solution in 5 > minutes with it, I'd be very curious and interested to know how this can > be achieved in the ? traditional ? way in Om, i.e. controlling in time the > evolution of a filter with an envelope, which seems a somewhat common > use of a synth to me :). Ehm, just put Resonance (CR) to 0 and use Resonance (AR)? Lars was so nice to check this works out, even :) Otherwise use the 4 Pole Low-Pass Filter with Resonance (FARAIA). I would guess that you can get away with dynamic CR on resonance if the envelope isn't very fast / the change not that drastic. Otherwise artefacts can be expected. It would be great if the rate of ports could be switched, but LADSPA doesn't allow for this and LV2 might only with an extension. -- Thorsten Wilms From fbar at footils.org Sat Oct 7 08:18:56 2006 From: fbar at footils.org (Frank Barknecht) Date: Sat Oct 7 08:19:46 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Terratec Midi Hubble supported? In-Reply-To: <4526E93A.5000404@jensgulden.de> References: <4526E93A.5000404@jensgulden.de> Message-ID: <20061007121856.GR23046@fliwatut.scifi> Hallo, Jens Gulden hat gesagt: // Jens Gulden wrote: > is the "Terratec Midi Hubble" (usb midi-interface) supported by ALSA? According to the manual the device doesn't need any special drivers on OS-X, which is a strong indicator, that it is compliant with the USB standard specifications. If it is compliant, then ALSA will support it. Ciao -- Frank Barknecht _ ______footils.org_ __goto10.org__ From rlrevell at joe-job.com Sat Oct 7 13:11:16 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Sat Oct 7 13:10:45 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] 2.6.18-rt5 compile error In-Reply-To: <1160213166.3903.52.camel@zordi> References: <20061006233113.42d9759c@localhost> <20061007084910.GA5388@charly.SWORD> <1160213166.3903.52.camel@zordi> Message-ID: <1160241076.17615.59.camel@mindpipe> On Sat, 2006-10-07 at 11:26 +0200, joel silvestre wrote: > Hi, > > I try to compile a 2.6.18-rt5 on a intel core duo laptop and make > modules_install gives an error : > > WARNING: /lib/modules/2.6.18-rt5/kernel/arch/i386/kernel/apm.ko needs > unknown symbol pm_send_all > make: *** [_modinst_post] Erreur 1 > > Should I disable Power management in .config? I would just disable APM in the config. It might be called "legacy power management". Lee From rlrevell at joe-job.com Sat Oct 7 13:12:50 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Sat Oct 7 13:12:21 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Terratec Midi Hubble supported? In-Reply-To: <200610071158.47566.pedro.lopez.cabanillas@gmail.com> References: <20061007092524.3276434FD060@music.columbia.edu> <200610071158.47566.pedro.lopez.cabanillas@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1160241171.17615.63.camel@mindpipe> On Sat, 2006-10-07 at 11:58 +0200, Pedro Lopez-Cabanillas wrote: > On Saturday, 07 Oct 2006 01:39, Jens Gulden wrote: > > is the "Terratec Midi Hubble" (usb midi-interface) supported by ALSA? > > > > (There's a list on supported hardware at > > http://www.alsa-project.org/alsa-doc/, but it seems to cover audio-cards > > only.) > > There is another list of supported/unsupported USB MIDI hardware here: > http://qbik.ch/usb/devices/search_res.php?pattern=midi > But the Terratec MIDI Hubble is not listed. > > About your report regarding the Midisport 2x2, I can confirm your findings > with ALSA 1.0.12 and I'm compiling now the new release (1.0.13) to test it. > Seems a bug in ALSA. They have a web based bug-tracking system. Do you want > to report it to them? https://bugtrack.alsa-project.org What was the problem with the Midisport? Are you sure the firmware is available? Lee From yves at jazzcomputer.org Sat Oct 7 13:40:03 2006 From: yves at jazzcomputer.org (Yves Potin) Date: Sat Oct 7 13:40:27 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Control path in Om In-Reply-To: <1160223177.12238.7.camel@c213-100-20-9.swipnet.se> References: <20061006171511.GP4025@localhost> <20061006181317.GD5395@charly.SWORD> <20061006192136.GQ4025@localhost> <1160209343.12238.0.camel@c213-100-20-9.swipnet.se> <20061007114448.GR4025@localhost> <1160223177.12238.7.camel@c213-100-20-9.swipnet.se> Message-ID: <20061007174003.GS4025@localhost> Le 07 Oct ? 14:12, Lars Luthman ecrivait: > In the particular case that you show in your screenshot, wouldn't you > get the same result (or better, since you don't do any downsampling) if > you set "Resonance (CR)" to 0, "Resonance gain" to 1, and connect the > amp_mono_0 output directly to the "Resonance (AR)" port on the filter? In this particular case indeed, yes :). I've missed to set Resonance (CR) to 0, as it was the parameter I was trying to modulate, thanks. Y. From burkhard at sportident.de Sat Oct 7 13:47:14 2006 From: burkhard at sportident.de (Burkhard Ritter) Date: Sat Oct 7 13:47:29 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Good News / Bad News In-Reply-To: <1159949719.9135.2.camel@localhost> References: <20061004005057.GA19619@patch.com> <1159949719.9135.2.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <200610071847.14392.burkhard@sportident.de> Am Mittwoch, 4. Oktober 2006 09:15 schrieb Leonard "paniq" Ritter: > flash uses oss directly (/dev/dsp) and needs exclusive access to > sound resources. if anything else is running (jack, alsa) it > doesn't work. > > On Tue, 2006-10-03 at 17:50 -0700, Michael Rasmussen wrote: > > Good News: muddled through getting Rosegarden set up and > > actually producing sound. > > > > Bad News: flash sounds (wife loves em) through the browser are > > no longer played. > > > > I know there's a conflict somewhere. > > > > could one of you point me towards a solution please? > > > > ubuntu, firefox, konqueror is the target environment. I solved this problem by starting firefox through aoss, ie aoss firefox. You can set an alias or something to simplify this. Hope that hepls, Burkhard From pedro.lopez.cabanillas at gmail.com Sat Oct 7 14:48:50 2006 From: pedro.lopez.cabanillas at gmail.com (Pedro Lopez-Cabanillas) Date: Sat Oct 7 14:48:58 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Terratec Midi Hubble supported? In-Reply-To: <20061007174028.4FEC53515A59@music.columbia.edu> References: <20061007174028.4FEC53515A59@music.columbia.edu> Message-ID: <200610072048.50992.pedro.lopez.cabanillas@gmail.com> On Saturday, 7 October 2006 13:12:50 -0400, Lee Revell wrote: > On Sat, 2006-10-07 at 11:58 +0200, Pedro Lopez-Cabanillas wrote: > > About your report regarding the Midisport 2x2, I can confirm your > > findings ? with ALSA 1.0.12 and I'm compiling now the new release > > (1.0.13) to test it. Seems a bug in ALSA. They have a web based > > bug-tracking system. Do you want to report it to them? > > https://bugtrack.alsa-project.org > > What was the problem with the Midisport? ?Are you sure the firmware is > available? Yes, the firmware was available. Please see the original message: http://music.columbia.edu/pipermail/linux-audio-user/2006-October/039164.html I'm going to send a more detailed answer following the original thread: "[linux-audio-user] Midi data arrives, but gets stuck in ALSA's buffer" It is *not* a bug in ALSA. Regards, Pedro From folderol at ukfsn.org Sat Oct 7 14:59:13 2006 From: folderol at ukfsn.org (Folderol) Date: Sat Oct 7 14:57:42 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Needs Drums In-Reply-To: <1160186738.6016.2.camel@localhost> References: <20061006233113.42d9759c@localhost> <1160186738.6016.2.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <20061007195913.0f443ad9@localhost> On Sat, 07 Oct 2006 04:05:38 +0200 "Leonard \"paniq\" Ritter" wrote: > what about contributing to ccmixter.org? > > On Fri, 2006-10-06 at 23:31 +0100, Folderol wrote: > > Would anyone like to add a fairly aggressive drum track to something > > I've been working on? > > > > It's at http://www.musically.me.uk/music/Running_Through_The_Night.ogg > > > > It's all done with Rosegarden and ZynAddSubFX so I can easily supply > > the 'construction files' to anyone who is interested. I've had a brief look at this. I'll look again more closely, but I get the impression it is really led by vocal (and other) samples being brought together, mixed and overlaid rather than 1 to 1 collaboration. -- Will J G From folderol at ukfsn.org Sat Oct 7 15:17:42 2006 From: folderol at ukfsn.org (Folderol) Date: Sat Oct 7 15:16:14 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Needs Drums In-Reply-To: <20061007084910.GA5388@charly.SWORD> References: <20061006233113.42d9759c@localhost> <20061007084910.GA5388@charly.SWORD> Message-ID: <20061007201742.04278a80@localhost> On Sat, 7 Oct 2006 10:49:10 +0200 Thorsten Wilms wrote: > On Fri, Oct 06, 2006 at 11:31:13PM +0100, Folderol wrote: > > > Would anyone like to add a fairly aggressive drum track to something > > I've been working on? > > > > It's at http://www.musically.me.uk/music/Running_Through_The_Night.ogg > > > Hmm. I think you should invest some more work yourself. I see some > potential, but think the sounds are too digital and sparkly for this > one (sorry for being broad, but this is what it comes down to). Yes you're probably right. Maybe I got too dazzled by the effects and forgot the instrument is supposed to support the music, not the other way round! I've been doing more experimentation with 'softer' instruments - it totally changes the character of the tune. > I would like to suggest giving a listen to Propellerheads Spybreak > and perhaps the James Bond theme plus On Her Majesty's Service. > No exact matches in mood or anything, just prime examples of the > direction I would like to see this taken. Propellerheads beats > qualify as fairly aggressive, given that I'm sure you don't usualy > listen to Alec Empire or something ;) > > > -- > Thorsten Wilms Hmm, didn't think of comparisons with any of those (not watched James Bond films for years). I can see a parallel with OHMSS. ... I'll be back! -- Will J G From folderol at ukfsn.org Sat Oct 7 15:19:30 2006 From: folderol at ukfsn.org (Folderol) Date: Sat Oct 7 15:18:00 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Needs Drums In-Reply-To: <45277272.7060700@free.fr> References: <20061006233113.42d9759c@localhost> <1160186738.6016.2.camel@localhost> <45277272.7060700@free.fr> Message-ID: <20061007201930.1bbf6166@localhost> On Sat, 07 Oct 2006 11:25:06 +0200 Dubphil wrote: > Leonard "paniq" Ritter a ?crit : > > what about contributing to ccmixter.org? > > > > > or on oneshotsamples.com ;) I could give you an invite... > > Regards > > Philippe Well that's very nice of you, and I can see there are some good samples on there if I wanted to build up a sample library, but they don't seem to be in the business of full length pieces, so I don't think it's the right place. -- Will J G From pedro.lopez.cabanillas at gmail.com Sat Oct 7 15:30:53 2006 From: pedro.lopez.cabanillas at gmail.com (Pedro Lopez-Cabanillas) Date: Sat Oct 7 15:31:01 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Midi data arrives, but gets stuck in ALSA's buffer In-Reply-To: <20061006203202.28E4834E095F@music.columbia.edu> References: <20061006203202.28E4834E095F@music.columbia.edu> Message-ID: <200610072130.53679.pedro.lopez.cabanillas@gmail.com> On Friday, 6 October 2006 22:33, Jens Gulden wrote: > Hello, very weird: > > cat /proc/asound/card2/midi0 -> > > MidiSport 2x2 > > Output 0 > ? ?Tx bytes ? ? : 0 > Output 1 > ? ?Tx bytes ? ? : 0 > Input 0 > ? ?Rx bytes ? ? : 1186 > ? ?Buffer size ?: 4096 > ? ?Avail ? ? ? ?: 1186 ?<--- ### SHOULD BE 0, NOT ==RX BYTES! ### > ? ?Overruns ? ? : 0 > Input 1 > ? ?Rx bytes ? ? : 0 > > Instead of passing the data further to the connected timidity, it gets > stuck in the receive-buffer. When 4096 is reached, overruns start to count > up. > > Connections have been set up using qjackctl. vkeybd->timidity works fine. > > The system is Musix0.50b12, realtime-kernel 2.6.15.4, with manually added > MidiSport2x2 firmware. However, I don't think this is a typical > "My-MidiSport-does-not-run-on-Musix" problem, as the firmware successfully > loads and the MidiSport gets recognized as available device in ALSA. Even > the data seems to arrive well as shown by "Rx bytes" (number of bytes per > note-event is correct). What is wrong? Short answer: the firmware distributed with Musix. It looked like a problem with the drivers, because the ALSA /proc interface reported that incoming data was received, but the data wasn't good. Most Midisport NxN devices need a firmware, that must be loaded in the device on each power on, before using it. For devices where N <= 2, there is a free (libre) firmware, GPL licensed, that can be used instead the propietary one. The GPL firmware, written in C by Lars Doelle, can be compiled with the SDCC compiler, and it is standards compliant (using it, the Midisport behaves as described by the USB MIDI specification document). Seems that Musix has distributed corrupted firmware files. Please don't use them. You can use the propietary firmware made by M-Audio (Midiman). It works well, although not standard (and no sources are available). You can find it here: http://sourceforge.net/projects/usb-midi-fw CVS repository where you can find correct GPL firmware sources, and ready to use .ihx images: http://linux-hotplug.cvs.sourceforge.net/linux-hotplug/firmware/ezusb/midi/original/ The tarball distributed by NAGANO Daisuke with the OSS-like driver also contains the correct firmwares: http://homepage3.nifty.com/StudioBreeze/software/usbmidi-e.html I've verified also the RPM distributed by Planet CCRMA, and it is OK. Size and MD5 hash for correct firmwares: $ ls -l *.ihx -rw-r--r-- 1 pedro pedro 7620 Oct 7 20:19 ezusbmidi1x1.ihx -rw-r--r-- 1 pedro pedro 10168 Oct 7 20:19 ezusbmidi2x2.ihx $ md5sum *.ihx 4d78294c5fd4575cf52a297e5f2f1e53 ezusbmidi1x1.ihx 23427b43a718feea911970746af174e7 ezusbmidi2x2.ihx Regards, Pedro From rlrevell at joe-job.com Sat Oct 7 16:53:04 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Sat Oct 7 16:52:33 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Good News / Bad News In-Reply-To: <200610071847.14392.burkhard@sportident.de> References: <20061004005057.GA19619@patch.com> <1159949719.9135.2.camel@localhost> <200610071847.14392.burkhard@sportident.de> Message-ID: <1160254385.17615.75.camel@mindpipe> On Sat, 2006-10-07 at 18:47 +0100, Burkhard Ritter wrote: > Am Mittwoch, 4. Oktober 2006 09:15 schrieb Leonard "paniq" Ritter: > > flash uses oss directly (/dev/dsp) and needs exclusive access to > > sound resources. if anything else is running (jack, alsa) it > > doesn't work. > > > > On Tue, 2006-10-03 at 17:50 -0700, Michael Rasmussen wrote: > > > Good News: muddled through getting Rosegarden set up and > > > actually producing sound. > > > > > > Bad News: flash sounds (wife loves em) through the browser are > > > no longer played. > > > > > > I know there's a conflict somewhere. > > > > > > could one of you point me towards a solution please? > > > > > > ubuntu, firefox, konqueror is the target environment. > > I solved this problem by starting firefox through aoss, ie aoss > firefox. You can set an alias or something to simplify this. I'm not sure if this is a Firefox thing or a Ubuntu extension, but you might be able to set FIREFOX_DSP="aoss" in /etc/firefox/firefoxrc. Lee From folderol at ukfsn.org Sat Oct 7 20:03:06 2006 From: folderol at ukfsn.org (Folderol) Date: Sat Oct 7 20:01:32 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Needs Drums - Update In-Reply-To: <20061007201742.04278a80@localhost> References: <20061006233113.42d9759c@localhost> <20061007084910.GA5388@charly.SWORD> <20061007201742.04278a80@localhost> Message-ID: <20061008010306.2fc9217c@localhost> On Sat, 7 Oct 2006 20:17:42 +0100 Folderol wrote: > On Sat, 7 Oct 2006 10:49:10 +0200 > Thorsten Wilms wrote: > > > On Fri, Oct 06, 2006 at 11:31:13PM +0100, Folderol wrote: > > > > > Would anyone like to add a fairly aggressive drum track to something > > > I've been working on? > > > > > > It's at http://www.musically.me.uk/music/Running_Through_The_Night.ogg > > > > > > Hmm. I think you should invest some more work yourself. I see some > > potential, but think the sounds are too digital and sparkly for this > > one (sorry for being broad, but this is what it comes down to). > > Yes you're probably right. Maybe I got too dazzled by the effects and > forgot the instrument is supposed to support the music, not the other > way round! > > I've been doing more experimentation with 'softer' instruments - it > totally changes the character of the tune. > > > I would like to suggest giving a listen to Propellerheads Spybreak > > and perhaps the James Bond theme plus On Her Majesty's Service. > > No exact matches in mood or anything, just prime examples of the > > direction I would like to see this taken. Propellerheads beats > > qualify as fairly aggressive, given that I'm sure you don't usualy > > listen to Alec Empire or something ;) > > > > > > -- > > Thorsten Wilms > > Hmm, didn't think of comparisons with any of those (not watched James > Bond films for years). I can see a parallel with OHMSS. > > > ... I'll be back! OK. I said I'd be back. The same tune, slightly changed but with quite different instrumentation. Doesn't sound like the same thing at all! http://www.musically.me.uk/music/Running_Through_The_Night.ogg -- Will J G From mail at jensgulden.de Sat Oct 7 20:38:05 2006 From: mail at jensgulden.de (Jens Gulden) Date: Sat Oct 7 20:36:46 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Midi data arrives, but gets stuck in ALSA's buffer In-Reply-To: <200610072130.53679.pedro.lopez.cabanillas@gmail.com> References: <20061006203202.28E4834E095F@music.columbia.edu> <200610072130.53679.pedro.lopez.cabanillas@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4528486D.5080606@jensgulden.de> Hello, Pedro Lopez-Cabanillas wrote: > Most Midisport NxN devices need a firmware I do know. The device successfully runs on a manually installed debian-system on another computer. I originally used the firmware copied from there. Now I tried the firmware you recommended from http://linux-hotplug.cvs.sourceforge.net/linux-hotplug/firmware/ezusb/midi/original/ezusbmidi2x2.ihx?view=log. It's noticeably a different one than the one I used before (because input-leds flash shorter and no longer flash on midi-active pings), but... ...still the same problem. :-( I even bought an Edirol UM-1EX today, which does not need a firmware-download and is listed to work properly on http://qbik.ch/usb/devices/search_res.php?pattern=midi ('EX' shouldn't be too different from 'SX', I guess), but... ...exactly the same behaviour. :-( The device is correctly recognized and shows up in qjackctl's midi-tab, but connecting it to timidity, or connecting from vkeybd, does not have an effect, except that one can watch the "Avail" numbers increase in /proc/asound/cardX/midi0. Also tested with Musix 0.59 and 0.49, also on a different computer. --> Is anybody reading this successfully using a USB-MIDI interface on a Musix system? Please quickly drop a note! <-- > I can confirm your findings with ALSA 1.0.12 > I've verified also the RPM distributed by Planet CCRMA, and it is OK. So, you actually reconstructed the problem with a MidiSport 2x2 device, and then successfully solved it with that firmware? Did you? > It is *not* a bug in ALSA. Mmmh, according to my experience with the UM-1EX behaving exactly the same, it still does looks like an ALSA problem, at least with the way it is deployed on Musix... > Seems that Musix has distributed corrupted firmware files. Please don't use them. I haven't even found them in the Musix distribution... /etc/hotplug/usb/ezusbmidi references /usr/share/usb/ezusbmidi/ezusbmidi2x2.ihx, but that one doesn't exist. I solved this using Knoppix's configuration mechanism, saving files in /etc in a config.tbz on a memory stick, together with ezusbmidi2x2.ihx, modifying /etc/hotplug/usb/ezusbmidi to point to that ezusbmidi2x2.ihx, and start Musix with "myconf=/dev/sda1" at the boot prompt. This works with Musix 0.50, but seems to be disabled in 0.59. Anyway, the problem seems to have nothing to do with firmware as it occurs with the other device, too. > the ALSA /proc interface reported that incoming data was received, but the data wasn't good. Where can I find out if the data is considered to be "not good"? Which file under /proc says that? best Jens Pedro Lopez-Cabanillas schrieb: > On Friday, 6 October 2006 22:33, Jens Gulden wrote: > >>Hello, very weird: >> >>cat /proc/asound/card2/midi0 -> >> >>MidiSport 2x2 >> >>Output 0 >> Tx bytes : 0 >>Output 1 >> Tx bytes : 0 >>Input 0 >> Rx bytes : 1186 >> Buffer size : 4096 >> Avail : 1186 <--- ### SHOULD BE 0, NOT ==RX BYTES! ### >> Overruns : 0 >>Input 1 >> Rx bytes : 0 >> >>Instead of passing the data further to the connected timidity, it gets >>stuck in the receive-buffer. When 4096 is reached, overruns start to count >>up. >> >>Connections have been set up using qjackctl. vkeybd->timidity works fine. >> >>The system is Musix0.50b12, realtime-kernel 2.6.15.4, with manually added >>MidiSport2x2 firmware. However, I don't think this is a typical >>"My-MidiSport-does-not-run-on-Musix" problem, as the firmware successfully >>loads and the MidiSport gets recognized as available device in ALSA. Even >>the data seems to arrive well as shown by "Rx bytes" (number of bytes per >>note-event is correct). What is wrong? > > > Short answer: the firmware distributed with Musix. It looked like a problem > with the drivers, because the ALSA /proc interface reported that incoming > data was received, but the data wasn't good. > > Most Midisport NxN devices need a firmware, that must be loaded in the device > on each power on, before using it. For devices where N <= 2, there is a free > (libre) firmware, GPL licensed, that can be used instead the propietary one. > The GPL firmware, written in C by Lars Doelle, can be compiled with the SDCC > compiler, and it is standards compliant (using it, the Midisport behaves as > described by the USB MIDI specification document). > > Seems that Musix has distributed corrupted firmware files. Please don't use > them. > > You can use the propietary firmware made by M-Audio (Midiman). It works well, > although not standard (and no sources are available). You can find it here: > http://sourceforge.net/projects/usb-midi-fw > > CVS repository where you can find correct GPL firmware sources, and ready to > use .ihx images: > http://linux-hotplug.cvs.sourceforge.net/linux-hotplug/firmware/ezusb/midi/original/ > > The tarball distributed by NAGANO Daisuke with the OSS-like driver also > contains the correct firmwares: > http://homepage3.nifty.com/StudioBreeze/software/usbmidi-e.html > > I've verified also the RPM distributed by Planet CCRMA, and it is OK. > > Size and MD5 hash for correct firmwares: > > $ ls -l *.ihx > -rw-r--r-- 1 pedro pedro 7620 Oct 7 20:19 ezusbmidi1x1.ihx > -rw-r--r-- 1 pedro pedro 10168 Oct 7 20:19 ezusbmidi2x2.ihx > > $ md5sum *.ihx > 4d78294c5fd4575cf52a297e5f2f1e53 ezusbmidi1x1.ihx > 23427b43a718feea911970746af174e7 ezusbmidi2x2.ihx > > Regards, > Pedro From jordan at jdnash.org Sat Oct 7 22:22:43 2006 From: jordan at jdnash.org (Jordan) Date: Sat Oct 7 22:22:32 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Needs Drums - Update In-Reply-To: <20061008010306.2fc9217c@localhost> References: <20061006233113.42d9759c@localhost> <20061007084910.GA5388@charly.SWORD> <20061007201742.04278a80@localhost> <20061008010306.2fc9217c@localhost> Message-ID: <452860F3.5070204@jdnash.org> It sounds really artificial. For example, all note attacks (the beginning of the note) are the same: hard & percussive. Soften most of them except for when you REALLY want a hard attack. This may be a limitation of MIDI. - Jordan Folderol wrote: > On Sat, 7 Oct 2006 20:17:42 +0100 > Folderol wrote: > > >> On Sat, 7 Oct 2006 10:49:10 +0200 >> Thorsten Wilms wrote: >> >> >>> On Fri, Oct 06, 2006 at 11:31:13PM +0100, Folderol wrote: >>> >>> >>>> Would anyone like to add a fairly aggressive drum track to something >>>> I've been working on? >>>> >>>> It's at http://www.musically.me.uk/music/Running_Through_The_Night.ogg >>>> >>> Hmm. I think you should invest some more work yourself. I see some >>> potential, but think the sounds are too digital and sparkly for this >>> one (sorry for being broad, but this is what it comes down to). >>> >> Yes you're probably right. Maybe I got too dazzled by the effects and >> forgot the instrument is supposed to support the music, not the other >> way round! >> >> I've been doing more experimentation with 'softer' instruments - it >> totally changes the character of the tune. >> >> >>> I would like to suggest giving a listen to Propellerheads Spybreak >>> and perhaps the James Bond theme plus On Her Majesty's Service. >>> No exact matches in mood or anything, just prime examples of the >>> direction I would like to see this taken. Propellerheads beats >>> qualify as fairly aggressive, given that I'm sure you don't usualy >>> listen to Alec Empire or something ;) >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Thorsten Wilms >>> >> Hmm, didn't think of comparisons with any of those (not watched James >> Bond films for years). I can see a parallel with OHMSS. >> >> >> ... I'll be back! >> > > > OK. I said I'd be back. > > The same tune, slightly changed but with quite different > instrumentation. Doesn't sound like the same thing at all! > > http://www.musically.me.uk/music/Running_Through_The_Night.ogg > > From jordan at jdnash.org Sat Oct 7 22:26:07 2006 From: jordan at jdnash.org (Jordan) Date: Sat Oct 7 22:25:48 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Needs Drums - Update In-Reply-To: <452860F3.5070204@jdnash.org> References: <20061006233113.42d9759c@localhost> <20061007084910.GA5388@charly.SWORD> <20061007201742.04278a80@localhost> <20061008010306.2fc9217c@localhost> <452860F3.5070204@jdnash.org> Message-ID: <452861BF.1030502@jdnash.org> This below message was not meant to be mean or harsh, simply an observation. - Jordan Jordan wrote: > It sounds really artificial. For example, all note attacks (the > beginning of the note) are the same: hard & percussive. Soften most of > them except for when you REALLY want a hard attack. This may be a > limitation of MIDI. > > - Jordan > > > Folderol wrote: >> On Sat, 7 Oct 2006 20:17:42 +0100 >> Folderol wrote: >> >> >>> On Sat, 7 Oct 2006 10:49:10 +0200 >>> Thorsten Wilms wrote: >>> >>> >>>> On Fri, Oct 06, 2006 at 11:31:13PM +0100, Folderol wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>> Would anyone like to add a fairly aggressive drum track to something >>>>> I've been working on? >>>>> >>>>> It's at >>>>> http://www.musically.me.uk/music/Running_Through_The_Night.ogg >>>>> >>>> Hmm. I think you should invest some more work yourself. I see some >>>> potential, but think the sounds are too digital and sparkly for >>>> this one (sorry for being broad, but this is what it comes down to). >>>> >>> Yes you're probably right. Maybe I got too dazzled by the effects and >>> forgot the instrument is supposed to support the music, not the other >>> way round! >>> >>> I've been doing more experimentation with 'softer' instruments - it >>> totally changes the character of the tune. >>> >>> >>>> I would like to suggest giving a listen to Propellerheads Spybreak >>>> and perhaps the James Bond theme plus On Her Majesty's Service. No >>>> exact matches in mood or anything, just prime examples of the >>>> direction I would like to see this taken. Propellerheads beats >>>> qualify as fairly aggressive, given that I'm sure you don't usualy >>>> listen to Alec Empire or something ;) >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Thorsten Wilms >>>> >>> Hmm, didn't think of comparisons with any of those (not watched James >>> Bond films for years). I can see a parallel with OHMSS. >>> >>> >>> ... I'll be back! >>> >> >> >> OK. I said I'd be back. >> >> The same tune, slightly changed but with quite different >> instrumentation. Doesn't sound like the same thing at all! >> >> http://www.musically.me.uk/music/Running_Through_The_Night.ogg >> >> > > > > From mail at jensgulden.de Sat Oct 7 22:35:44 2006 From: mail at jensgulden.de (Jens Gulden) Date: Sat Oct 7 22:34:45 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Midi data arrives, but gets stuck in ALSA's buffer In-Reply-To: <4528486D.5080606@jensgulden.de> References: <20061006203202.28E4834E095F@music.columbia.edu> <200610072130.53679.pedro.lopez.cabanillas@gmail.com> <4528486D.5080606@jensgulden.de> Message-ID: <45286400.9090903@jensgulden.de> Aha, usb-midi seems to work with Musix's _non_-realtime kernel at least. This is not a perfect solution for me as the non-realtime kernel doesn't boot on the machine I would like to run it on, but at least I can do some tests on another one. I'll file a bug-report to Musix when I have time again. Thanks so far, Pedro. Jens Jens Gulden wrote: > Hello, > > Pedro Lopez-Cabanillas wrote: > > Most Midisport NxN devices need a firmware > > I do know. The device successfully runs on a manually installed > debian-system on another computer. I originally used the firmware copied > from there. Now I tried the firmware you recommended from > http://linux-hotplug.cvs.sourceforge.net/linux-hotplug/firmware/ezusb/midi/original/ezusbmidi2x2.ihx?view=log. > It's noticeably a different one than the one I used before (because > input-leds flash shorter and no longer flash on midi-active pings), but... > > ...still the same problem. :-( > > I even bought an Edirol UM-1EX today, which does not need a > firmware-download and is listed to work properly on > http://qbik.ch/usb/devices/search_res.php?pattern=midi ('EX' shouldn't > be too different from 'SX', I guess), but... > > ...exactly the same behaviour. :-( > The device is correctly recognized and shows up in qjackctl's midi-tab, > but connecting it to timidity, or connecting from vkeybd, does not have > an effect, except that one can watch the "Avail" numbers increase in > /proc/asound/cardX/midi0. Also tested with Musix 0.59 and 0.49, also on > a different computer. > > --> Is anybody reading this successfully using a USB-MIDI interface on a > Musix system? Please quickly drop a note! <-- > > > I can confirm your findings with ALSA 1.0.12 > > I've verified also the RPM distributed by Planet CCRMA, and it is OK. > > So, you actually reconstructed the problem with a MidiSport 2x2 device, > and then successfully solved it with that firmware? Did you? > > > It is *not* a bug in ALSA. > > Mmmh, according to my experience with the UM-1EX behaving exactly the > same, it still does looks like an ALSA problem, at least with the way it > is deployed on Musix... > > > Seems that Musix has distributed corrupted firmware files. Please > don't use them. > > I haven't even found them in the Musix distribution... > /etc/hotplug/usb/ezusbmidi references > /usr/share/usb/ezusbmidi/ezusbmidi2x2.ihx, but that one doesn't exist. I > solved this using Knoppix's configuration mechanism, saving files in > /etc in a config.tbz on a memory stick, together with ezusbmidi2x2.ihx, > modifying /etc/hotplug/usb/ezusbmidi to point to that ezusbmidi2x2.ihx, > and start Musix with "myconf=/dev/sda1" at the boot prompt. This works > with Musix 0.50, but seems to be disabled in 0.59. > Anyway, the problem seems to have nothing to do with firmware as it > occurs with the other device, too. > > > the ALSA /proc interface reported that incoming data was received, > but the data wasn't good. > > Where can I find out if the data is considered to be "not good"? Which > file under /proc says that? > > best > Jens > > > Pedro Lopez-Cabanillas schrieb: > >> On Friday, 6 October 2006 22:33, Jens Gulden wrote: >> >>> Hello, very weird: >>> >>> cat /proc/asound/card2/midi0 -> >>> >>> MidiSport 2x2 >>> >>> Output 0 >>> Tx bytes : 0 >>> Output 1 >>> Tx bytes : 0 >>> Input 0 >>> Rx bytes : 1186 >>> Buffer size : 4096 >>> Avail : 1186 <--- ### SHOULD BE 0, NOT ==RX BYTES! ### >>> Overruns : 0 >>> Input 1 >>> Rx bytes : 0 >>> >>> Instead of passing the data further to the connected timidity, it gets >>> stuck in the receive-buffer. When 4096 is reached, overruns start to >>> count >>> up. >>> >>> Connections have been set up using qjackctl. vkeybd->timidity works >>> fine. >>> >>> The system is Musix0.50b12, realtime-kernel 2.6.15.4, with manually >>> added >>> MidiSport2x2 firmware. However, I don't think this is a typical >>> "My-MidiSport-does-not-run-on-Musix" problem, as the firmware >>> successfully >>> loads and the MidiSport gets recognized as available device in ALSA. >>> Even >>> the data seems to arrive well as shown by "Rx bytes" (number of bytes >>> per >>> note-event is correct). What is wrong? >> >> >> >> Short answer: the firmware distributed with Musix. It looked like a >> problem with the drivers, because the ALSA /proc interface reported >> that incoming data was received, but the data wasn't good. >> >> Most Midisport NxN devices need a firmware, that must be loaded in the >> device on each power on, before using it. For devices where N <= 2, >> there is a free (libre) firmware, GPL licensed, that can be used >> instead the propietary one. The GPL firmware, written in C by Lars >> Doelle, can be compiled with the SDCC compiler, and it is standards >> compliant (using it, the Midisport behaves as described by the USB >> MIDI specification document). >> >> Seems that Musix has distributed corrupted firmware files. Please >> don't use them. >> You can use the propietary firmware made by M-Audio (Midiman). It >> works well, although not standard (and no sources are available). You >> can find it here: http://sourceforge.net/projects/usb-midi-fw >> >> CVS repository where you can find correct GPL firmware sources, and >> ready to use .ihx images: >> http://linux-hotplug.cvs.sourceforge.net/linux-hotplug/firmware/ezusb/midi/original/ >> >> >> The tarball distributed by NAGANO Daisuke with the OSS-like driver >> also contains the correct firmwares: >> http://homepage3.nifty.com/StudioBreeze/software/usbmidi-e.html >> >> I've verified also the RPM distributed by Planet CCRMA, and it is OK. >> >> Size and MD5 hash for correct firmwares: >> >> $ ls -l *.ihx >> -rw-r--r-- 1 pedro pedro 7620 Oct 7 20:19 ezusbmidi1x1.ihx >> -rw-r--r-- 1 pedro pedro 10168 Oct 7 20:19 ezusbmidi2x2.ihx >> >> $ md5sum *.ihx >> 4d78294c5fd4575cf52a297e5f2f1e53 ezusbmidi1x1.ihx >> 23427b43a718feea911970746af174e7 ezusbmidi2x2.ihx >> >> Regards, >> Pedro > > From ico at vt.edu Sat Oct 7 23:16:39 2006 From: ico at vt.edu (Ivica Ico Bukvic) Date: Sat Oct 7 23:16:49 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Linuxaudio.org seeking volunteer help Message-ID: <000901c6ea88$2bb7de80$0502a8c0@64BitBadass> October 7, 2006 -- Linuxaudio.org announces new staff openings If applicable, please forward to your respective mailing lists. 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The consortium aims to co-ordinate joint projects between members, collaborate on the promotion of Linux based systems for audio tasks, offer programs beneficial to members and subsequently its mission, and provide a single point of contact for prospective industry partners. More information on the Linuxaudio.org consortium can be obtained by visiting: http://www.linuxaudio.org/ Press contacts: Ivica Ico Bukvic at (ico at linuxaudio dot org) ends From james at dis-dot-dat.net Sun Oct 8 00:45:49 2006 From: james at dis-dot-dat.net (james@dis-dot-dat.net) Date: Sun Oct 8 00:45:27 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Needs Drums - Update In-Reply-To: <20061008010306.2fc9217c@localhost> References: <20061006233113.42d9759c@localhost> <20061007084910.GA5388@charly.SWORD> <20061007201742.04278a80@localhost> <20061008010306.2fc9217c@localhost> Message-ID: <20061008044549.GB9694@fitz.Belkin> [sorry to top-post] I've been busy, so I'm late to comment but... I have to agree that it sounds a little harsh and synthetic, but as a first sketch it's great. Oh, and (sings) "riders on the storm" :) James On Sun, 08 Oct, 2006 at 01:03AM +0100, Folderol spake thus: > On Sat, 7 Oct 2006 20:17:42 +0100 > Folderol wrote: > > > On Sat, 7 Oct 2006 10:49:10 +0200 > > Thorsten Wilms wrote: > > > > > On Fri, Oct 06, 2006 at 11:31:13PM +0100, Folderol wrote: > > > > > > > Would anyone like to add a fairly aggressive drum track to something > > > > I've been working on? > > > > > > > > It's at http://www.musically.me.uk/music/Running_Through_The_Night.ogg > > > > > > > > > Hmm. I think you should invest some more work yourself. I see some > > > potential, but think the sounds are too digital and sparkly for this > > > one (sorry for being broad, but this is what it comes down to). > > > > Yes you're probably right. Maybe I got too dazzled by the effects and > > forgot the instrument is supposed to support the music, not the other > > way round! > > > > I've been doing more experimentation with 'softer' instruments - it > > totally changes the character of the tune. > > > > > I would like to suggest giving a listen to Propellerheads Spybreak > > > and perhaps the James Bond theme plus On Her Majesty's Service. > > > No exact matches in mood or anything, just prime examples of the > > > direction I would like to see this taken. Propellerheads beats > > > qualify as fairly aggressive, given that I'm sure you don't usualy > > > listen to Alec Empire or something ;) > > > > > > > > > > Hmm, didn't think of comparisons with any of those (not watched James > > Bond films for years). I can see a parallel with OHMSS. > > > > > > ... I'll be back! > > > OK. I said I'd be back. > > The same tune, slightly changed but with quite different > instrumentation. Doesn't sound like the same thing at all! > > http://www.musically.me.uk/music/Running_Through_The_Night.ogg > From t_w_ at freenet.de Sun Oct 8 04:21:26 2006 From: t_w_ at freenet.de (Thorsten Wilms) Date: Sun Oct 8 04:22:18 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Needs Drums - Update In-Reply-To: <20061008010306.2fc9217c@localhost> References: <20061006233113.42d9759c@localhost> <20061007084910.GA5388@charly.SWORD> <20061007201742.04278a80@localhost> <20061008010306.2fc9217c@localhost> Message-ID: <20061008082126.GA5410@charly.SWORD> On Sun, Oct 08, 2006 at 01:03:06AM +0100, Folderol wrote: > > The same tune, slightly changed but with quite different > instrumentation. Doesn't sound like the same thing at all! > > http://www.musically.me.uk/music/Running_Through_The_Night.ogg Much better. I like the echoey saw synth. Not sure about what Jordan said, but the synth-string pad could do with longer attack. Pad and organ are both way too clean. I would try a pitch envelope on the strings, making them start tuned down a bit and fading in some vibrato (slightly different for each voice might be optimal) The organ asks for tube amp / tube warmth and perhaps leslie. But the notes themselves could be improved. No strong point of my own music ... but anyway: Especialy at the start, the lead should be more staccato. A bit short-breathed, impulsive. Try increasing the whole tempo, it's not jogging through the night, right? -- Thorsten Wilms From pedro.lopez.cabanillas at gmail.com Sun Oct 8 06:34:20 2006 From: pedro.lopez.cabanillas at gmail.com (Pedro Lopez-Cabanillas) Date: Sun Oct 8 06:35:04 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Midi data arrives, but gets stuck in ALSA's buffer In-Reply-To: <4528486D.5080606@jensgulden.de> References: <20061006203202.28E4834E095F@music.columbia.edu> <200610072130.53679.pedro.lopez.cabanillas@gmail.com> <4528486D.5080606@jensgulden.de> Message-ID: <200610081234.21056.pedro.lopez.cabanillas@gmail.com> On Sunday, 8 October 2006 02:38, Jens Gulden wrote: > Pedro Lopez-Cabanillas wrote: > > Most Midisport NxN devices need a firmware > > I do know. The device successfully runs on a manually installed > debian-system on another computer. I originally used the firmware copied > from there. Now I tried the firmware you recommended from > http://linux-hotplug.cvs.sourceforge.net/linux-hotplug/firmware/ezusb/midi/ >original/ezusbmidi2x2.ihx?view=log. It's noticeably a different one than the > one I used before (because input-leds flash shorter and no longer flash on > midi-active pings), The input leds behavior is different in the proprietary firmware. The GPL firmware don't activate the leds on ActiveSensing MIDI events (see the lines ezusbmidi.c:237 and 254). If you saw the input leds blinking when the device is receiving only ActiveSensing events, then you were using the MAudio proprietary firmware. If you prefer the proprietary firmware behavior, you only need to change the mentioned lines, to something like this: ezusbmidi.c:237 - if (dta!=0xfe) ledIN ^= 1; // ignore active-sensing + ledIN ^= 1; ezusbmidi.c:254 - if (dta!=0xfe) ledIN1 ^= 1; // ignore active-sensing + ledIN1 ^= 1; It is also possible to ignore completely the ActiveSensing events, if you wish so. It is free (libre) software, so you can change it to fit your needs. The main difference, though, between the proprietary and the GPL firmware is the standards compliance, that you can see using the command "lsusb -v" with the device when using each one. > > I can confirm your findings with ALSA 1.0.12 > > I've verified also the RPM distributed by Planet CCRMA, and it is OK. > > So, you actually reconstructed the problem with a MidiSport 2x2 device, and > then successfully solved it with that firmware? Did you? Well, not exactly. I was testing a broken firmware that didn't receive any MIDI data, although it was sending MIDI correctly. This broken firmware wasn't distributed by Musix. It was an old deprecated copy I had in my system. I though at first that both scenarios were related, but seems that you have found a very different problem. > > Seems that Musix has distributed corrupted firmware files. Please don't > > use them. > > I haven't even found them in the Musix distribution... > /etc/hotplug/usb/ezusbmidi references > /usr/share/usb/ezusbmidi/ezusbmidi2x2.ihx, but that one doesn't exist. I > solved this using Knoppix's configuration mechanism, saving files in /etc > in a config.tbz on a memory stick, together with ezusbmidi2x2.ihx, > modifying /etc/hotplug/usb/ezusbmidi to point to that ezusbmidi2x2.ihx, and > start Musix with "myconf=/dev/sda1" at the boot prompt. This works with > Musix 0.50, but seems to be disabled in 0.59. > Anyway, the problem seems to have nothing to do with firmware as it occurs > with the other device, too. Agreed. And about the firmware package distributed by Musix, you are right. ftp://musix.ourproject.org/pub/musix/deb/ez-usb-firmwares_0.1-1_i386.deb The package is located at the above URL is missing the firmware files. It only contains documents, as you can confirm using the dpkg --contents command as shown below. The firmware files have a file name matching the pattern '*.ihx' $ dpkg --contents ez-usb-firmwares_0.1-1_i386.deb drwxr-xr-x root/root 0 2006-06-25 03:26:54 ./ drwxr-xr-x root/root 0 2006-06-25 03:22:53 ./etc/ drwxr-xr-x root/root 0 2006-06-25 03:22:53 ./etc/hotplug/ drwxr-xr-x root/root 0 2006-06-25 03:22:53 ./etc/hotplug/usb/ -rwxr-xr-x root/root 934 2006-06-25 03:22:52 ./etc/hotplug/usb/ezusbmidi -rw-r--r-- root/root 885 2006-06-25 03:22:52 ./etc/hotplug/usb/ezusbmidi.usermap drwxr-xr-x root/root 0 2006-06-25 03:22:53 ./usr/ drwxr-xr-x root/root 0 2006-06-25 03:22:53 ./usr/share/ drwxr-xr-x root/root 0 2006-06-25 03:22:53 ./usr/share/doc/ drwxr-xr-x root/root 0 2006-06-25 03:22:53 ./usr/share/doc/firmwarehotplug-0.1/ -rw-r--r-- root/root 438 2003-05-02 19:17:10 ./usr/share/doc/firmwarehotplug-0.1/README Regards, Pedro From joke at apo33.org Sun Oct 8 09:08:33 2006 From: joke at apo33.org (joke) Date: Sun Oct 8 07:10:47 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] PIKSEL06 - hardware politics - october 12-15 Message-ID: <4528F851.3070200@apo33.org> Piksel06 - Hardware Politics - festival for free / libre and open source audiovisual SW, HW and ART. 12 -15 october 2006 in Bergen, Norway. 70 participants from 20 countries gather in Bergen for 4 days of exchanging art, code and ideas based on practical implementations of free culture. Piksel is an annual event for artists and developers working with free and open source audiovisual software. Part workshop, part festival, it is organised in Bergen, Norway, by the Bergen Centre for Electronic Arts (BEK) and involves participants from more than a dozen countries exchanging ideas, coding, presenting art and software projects, doing workshops, performances and discussions on the aesthetics and politics of free and open source software. The theme of Piksel06 - 'hardware politics' - brings in open hardware as a new focus area of vital importance in the fight for freedom of information and independent artistic expression in the digital domain. Programme: WORKSHOPS @ Teknikerkroen -- http://www.piksel.no/piksel06/workshops.html Go Forth! - build your own cheap synth from scratch LiveCoding using Fluxus CircuitBending audio toys Chaos Micromedias project Howto build suneaters (solar-panel bots) SEMINAR @ Cinemateket, USF -- http://www.piksel.no/piksel06/seminar.html xxxxx_at_piksel, 13-14 October, Cinemateket USF Two days of seminar, discussion and highly practical interrogation of expanded software and the impact of the executable on necessarily open hardware as a political act. EXHIBITION @ Hordaland Kunstsenter -- http://www.piksel.no/piksel06/exhibition.html Damaged Goods, exhibition @ 13-29 October, Hordaland Kunstsenter HARDDISKO, ShockBot, Very Slow Scan TV, OverheadBots, MyArtpiece, Magnetic Identity Liberation Front, Drawing by numbers, Association of experimental electronics, The ball in the hole, project289, Frida V -- 'army of darkness', Gullibloon, live @ opening oct. 13 -- LIVE PERFORMANCES @ Teknikerkroen & Cinemateket, USF -- http://www.piksel.no/piksel06/live_acts.html Whitehouse, NANOFAMAS, Laase Marhaug, Daniel Skoglund, 5VOLTCORE, EMI Project, Audun Eriksen, elpueblodechina & d.R.e.G.S., Slick Lister, Dave Griffiths, Marloes de Valk, Aymeric Mansoux, Tom Schouten, bL0bJ0b, Malte Steiner, RAM microsystems, Chun Lee, Gisle Fr?ysland, Cooking Pure Data, PRESENTATIONS @ Teknikerkroen & Cinemateket, USF -- http://www.piksel.no/piksel06/talks.html PulseCode, Open Movie Editor, FLOSS Manuals, Electric Sheep, GEGL & babl, DesireData, NamShub , Emulating Early Video Synthesizers with Pure Data, KeyWorx/live, The PureData Documentation Project, Mirra, Pure:Dyne, MakeArt, Really Free Movie Exhibition, Cinema Solubile -- more info and complete programme: http://www.piksel.no/piksel06 -- From rlrevell at joe-job.com Sun Oct 8 12:02:19 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Sun Oct 8 12:01:47 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Midi data arrives, but gets stuck in ALSA's buffer In-Reply-To: <200610081234.21056.pedro.lopez.cabanillas@gmail.com> References: <20061006203202.28E4834E095F@music.columbia.edu> <200610072130.53679.pedro.lopez.cabanillas@gmail.com> <4528486D.5080606@jensgulden.de> <200610081234.21056.pedro.lopez.cabanillas@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1160323339.17615.101.camel@mindpipe> On Sun, 2006-10-08 at 12:34 +0200, Pedro Lopez-Cabanillas wrote: > It is also possible to ignore completely the ActiveSensing events, if > you wish > so. It is free (libre) software, so you can change it to fit your > needs. > > The main difference, though, between the proprietary and the GPL > firmware is > the standards compliance, that you can see using the command "lsusb > -v" with > the device when using each one. How exactly is the M-Audio firmware not standards compliant? I thought that the snd-usb-audio driver only supported standards compliant devices? Lee From dubphil at free.fr Sun Oct 8 14:38:19 2006 From: dubphil at free.fr (Dubphil) Date: Sun Oct 8 14:38:34 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] COMPETITION: Most Loaded Desktop Screenshot In-Reply-To: <003701c6e367$884aadd0$0402a8c0@64BitBadass> References: <451B08CD.4060708@boosthardware.com> <003701c6e367$884aadd0$0402a8c0@64BitBadass> Message-ID: <57395.192.168.0.2.1160332699.squirrel@webmail.migratis.net> Hello, not for the competition but just for the fun ! normaly all the apps are dispatched on my 4 desktops, but I've joint all in one for the screenshot. jackd qjackctl ecasound seq24 zynaddsubfx zynaddsubfx zynaddsubfx hydrogen terminatorx (in action) timemachine an xterm with gimp beeing compiled => zero xruns screenshot : http://www.migratis.net/soundsystem.png resulting sound : http://www.migratis.net/screenshot.ogg enjoy. Philippe From folderol at ukfsn.org Sun Oct 8 15:57:14 2006 From: folderol at ukfsn.org (Folderol) Date: Sun Oct 8 15:55:38 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] COMPETITION: Most Loaded Desktop Screenshot In-Reply-To: <57395.192.168.0.2.1160332699.squirrel@webmail.migratis.net> References: <451B08CD.4060708@boosthardware.com> <003701c6e367$884aadd0$0402a8c0@64BitBadass> <57395.192.168.0.2.1160332699.squirrel@webmail.migratis.net> Message-ID: <20061008205714.4ffbdab8@localhost> On Sun, 8 Oct 2006 20:38:19 +0200 (CEST) "Dubphil" wrote: > Hello, > > not for the competition but just for the fun ! > > normaly all the apps are dispatched on my 4 desktops, but I've joint all > in one for the screenshot. > > jackd > qjackctl > ecasound > seq24 > zynaddsubfx > zynaddsubfx > zynaddsubfx > hydrogen > terminatorx (in action) > timemachine > an xterm with gimp beeing compiled > => zero xruns > > screenshot : http://www.migratis.net/soundsystem.png > resulting sound : http://www.migratis.net/screenshot.ogg > > enjoy. > > Philippe So *that's* what a screenshot sounds like :) Do you think it would sound warmer and richer if I used a CRT monitor :)) -- Will J G From folderol at ukfsn.org Sun Oct 8 16:11:39 2006 From: folderol at ukfsn.org (Folderol) Date: Sun Oct 8 16:10:03 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Needs Drums - Update In-Reply-To: <452860F3.5070204@jdnash.org> References: <20061006233113.42d9759c@localhost> <20061007084910.GA5388@charly.SWORD> <20061007201742.04278a80@localhost> <20061008010306.2fc9217c@localhost> <452860F3.5070204@jdnash.org> Message-ID: <20061008211139.2594d512@localhost> On Sat, 07 Oct 2006 21:22:43 -0500 Jordan wrote: > It sounds really artificial. For example, all note attacks (the > beginning of the note) are the same: hard & percussive. Soften most of > them except for when you REALLY want a hard attack. This may be a > limitation of MIDI. > > - Jordan I'm not really sure what you are referring to here. The attack rate, harmonics etc. are a feature of the 'instrument' I am emulating/creating, although I guess I could insert some variable velocity filtering. When creating this piece I worked entirely in Rosegarden's matrix editor. This is unusual for me as I normally play tracks on a keyboard and only use the matrix editor to stitch then together and sort out some duff bits. Maybe that is what you are noticing. -- Will J G From folderol at ukfsn.org Sun Oct 8 16:19:22 2006 From: folderol at ukfsn.org (Folderol) Date: Sun Oct 8 16:17:48 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Needs Drums - Update In-Reply-To: <20061008044549.GB9694@fitz.Belkin> References: <20061006233113.42d9759c@localhost> <20061007084910.GA5388@charly.SWORD> <20061007201742.04278a80@localhost> <20061008010306.2fc9217c@localhost> <20061008044549.GB9694@fitz.Belkin> Message-ID: <20061008211922.6d0dcf40@localhost> On Sun, 8 Oct 2006 05:45:49 +0100 james@dis-dot-dat.net wrote: > [sorry to top-post] > > I've been busy, so I'm late to comment but... > > I have to agree that it sounds a little harsh and synthetic, but as a > first sketch it's great. We're on to version 3 now! > Oh, and (sings) > > "riders on the storm" AAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHH Yes officer that's my only computer. No those CDs are all shop bought. I can only apologise your honour. I certainly wasn't aware that there was any comparison between my humble scratching and work of such magnificence. Thank you warder. It is so kind of you to give me *two* maggots in my bread. > :) > > James And I had such a lovely walk along the coast today (I did the woods last week). I shall carry on regardless . -- Will J G From markknecht at gmail.com Sun Oct 8 16:33:37 2006 From: markknecht at gmail.com (Mark Knecht) Date: Sun Oct 8 16:33:46 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Needs Drums - Update In-Reply-To: <20061008211922.6d0dcf40@localhost> References: <20061006233113.42d9759c@localhost> <20061007084910.GA5388@charly.SWORD> <20061007201742.04278a80@localhost> <20061008010306.2fc9217c@localhost> <20061008044549.GB9694@fitz.Belkin> <20061008211922.6d0dcf40@localhost> Message-ID: <5bdc1c8b0610081333p35aad406r7bab86c2305dd38e@mail.gmail.com> On 10/8/06, Folderol wrote: > On Sun, 8 Oct 2006 05:45:49 +0100 > james@dis-dot-dat.net wrote: > > Oh, and (sings) > > > > "riders on the storm" I purposely decided yesterday not to say that but now that the cat is out of the bag I will offer that James is not the only one to hear the similarity... ;-) That doesn't mean it's wrong or a copy. It clearly isn't. But you certainly don't want folks to think you are doing something around that song when it turns out you are not. - Mark > > AAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHH > > Yes officer that's my only computer. No those CDs are all shop bought. > > I can only apologise your honour. I certainly wasn't aware that there > was any comparison between my humble scratching and work of such > magnificence. > > Thank you warder. It is so kind of you to give me *two* maggots in my > bread. From folderol at ukfsn.org Sun Oct 8 16:39:44 2006 From: folderol at ukfsn.org (Folderol) Date: Sun Oct 8 16:38:09 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Needs Drums - Update In-Reply-To: <20061008082126.GA5410@charly.SWORD> References: <20061006233113.42d9759c@localhost> <20061007084910.GA5388@charly.SWORD> <20061007201742.04278a80@localhost> <20061008010306.2fc9217c@localhost> <20061008082126.GA5410@charly.SWORD> Message-ID: <20061008213944.6e277b6b@localhost> On Sun, 8 Oct 2006 10:21:26 +0200 Thorsten Wilms wrote: > On Sun, Oct 08, 2006 at 01:03:06AM +0100, Folderol wrote: > > > > The same tune, slightly changed but with quite different > > instrumentation. Doesn't sound like the same thing at all! > > > > http://www.musically.me.uk/music/Running_Through_The_Night.ogg > > > Much better. I like the echoey saw synth. > > Not sure about what Jordan said, but the synth-string pad > could do with longer attack. I've changed that completely now. I've used a warmer instrument and there is a sort of descant way back in the stereo image. Generally I've tried to keep these sections fairly clear and simple to give creative space to the drummer :) > Pad and organ are both way too clean. > I would try a pitch envelope on the strings, making them start > tuned down a bit and fading in some vibrato (slightly different > for each voice might be optimal) > > The organ asks for tube amp / tube warmth and perhaps leslie. I wasn't too happy about that myself. It now has a very small amount of overdrive and some filtering to take off the sharpness. There already was a LFO operation on it, but I've increased the depth a bit. It takes very little to make it just sound 'wobbly' :( > But the notes themselves could be improved. No strong point > of my own music ... but anyway: Especialy at the start, the > lead should be more staccato. A bit short-breathed, impulsive. > Try increasing the whole tempo, it's not jogging through the > night, right? Yes very good point that. It's now set to 130 bpm, which makes it quite brisk paced. The overall time is just over 2 minutes so it's quite short, but trying to make it longer would be false. I've made quite few changes to note lengths and amplitudes, most are quite minor but collectively make a lot of difference. > -- > Thorsten Wilms I now find I want to turn the volume up quite a bit when listening, which for this sort of music must be a 'good thing'(tm). I'm also hugely enjoying getting this feedback while I actually create. -- Will J G From pedro.lopez.cabanillas at gmail.com Sun Oct 8 16:47:57 2006 From: pedro.lopez.cabanillas at gmail.com (Pedro Lopez-Cabanillas) Date: Sun Oct 8 16:48:18 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Midi data arrives, but gets stuck in ALSA's buffer In-Reply-To: <20061008201751.DB4A13555D59@music.columbia.edu> References: <20061008201751.DB4A13555D59@music.columbia.edu> Message-ID: <200610082247.57975.pedro.lopez.cabanillas@gmail.com> On Sunday, 8 October 2006 12:02, Lee Revell wrote: > On Sun, 2006-10-08 at 12:34 +0200, Pedro Lopez-Cabanillas wrote: > > The main difference, though, between the proprietary and the GPL > > firmware is > > the standards compliance, that you can see using the command "lsusb > > -v" with > > the device when using each one. ? > > How exactly is the M-Audio firmware not standards compliant? ? The USB MIDI Devices specification can be found in this document: http://www.usb.org/developers/devclass_docs/midi10.pdf It defines what a compliant device should provide: a MIDIStreaming interface, using USB bulk transfers for input and output endpoints; the interfaces and endpoints should be exposed using standard descriptors, which are defined in the document. The GPL firmware fulfills all these requirements. The MAudio firmware uses interrupt transfers for input endpoints, and a set of non standard descriptors, among other differences. You can list the descriptors for a device using the command "lsusb -v". > I thought that the snd-usb-audio driver only supported standards compliant > devices? The ALSA USB audio driver uses quirks for a large set of non standard devices, based on several identifiers, as the vendor and product ids. This is how it can handle the MAudio firmware. See: alsa-kernel/usb/usbquirks.h ("in a perfect world, this file would be empty") !!! Regards, Pedro From james at dis-dot-dat.net Sun Oct 8 18:59:16 2006 From: james at dis-dot-dat.net (james@dis-dot-dat.net) Date: Sun Oct 8 18:58:55 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Needs Drums - Update In-Reply-To: <20061008211922.6d0dcf40@localhost> References: <20061006233113.42d9759c@localhost> <20061007084910.GA5388@charly.SWORD> <20061007201742.04278a80@localhost> <20061008010306.2fc9217c@localhost> <20061008044549.GB9694@fitz.Belkin> <20061008211922.6d0dcf40@localhost> Message-ID: <20061008225916.GD9694@fitz.Belkin> On Sun, 08 Oct, 2006 at 09:19PM +0100, Folderol spake thus: > On Sun, 8 Oct 2006 05:45:49 +0100 > james@dis-dot-dat.net wrote: > > > [sorry to top-post] > > > > I've been busy, so I'm late to comment but... > > > > I have to agree that it sounds a little harsh and synthetic, but as a > > first sketch it's great. > > We're on to version 3 now! > > > Oh, and (sings) > > > > "riders on the storm" > > AAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHH > > Yes officer that's my only computer. No those CDs are all shop bought. > > I can only apologise your honour. I certainly wasn't aware that there > was any comparison between my humble scratching and work of such > magnificence. > > Thank you warder. It is so kind of you to give me *two* maggots in my > bread. > > > :) > > > > James > > And I had such a lovely walk along the coast today (I did the woods > last week). I shall carry on regardless . I don't think it's a bad thing that one part sounds like riders. Maybe that's why everyone wants you to grunge it up a little and go all Doorsy. I really like the tune, by the way. James From pshirkey at boosthardware.com Mon Oct 9 00:50:36 2006 From: pshirkey at boosthardware.com (Patrick Shirkey) Date: Mon Oct 9 00:51:01 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] COMPETITION: Most Loaded Desktop Screenshot In-Reply-To: <57395.192.168.0.2.1160332699.squirrel@webmail.migratis.net> References: <451B08CD.4060708@boosthardware.com> <003701c6e367$884aadd0$0402a8c0@64BitBadass> <57395.192.168.0.2.1160332699.squirrel@webmail.migratis.net> Message-ID: <4529D51C.8010802@boosthardware.com> Dubphil wrote: > Hello, > > not for the competition but just for the fun ! > > normaly all the apps are dispatched on my 4 desktops, but I've joint all > in one for the screenshot. > > jackd > qjackctl > ecasound > seq24 > zynaddsubfx > zynaddsubfx > zynaddsubfx > hydrogen > terminatorx (in action) > timemachine > an xterm with gimp beeing compiled > => zero xruns > > screenshot : http://www.migratis.net/soundsystem.png > resulting sound : http://www.migratis.net/screenshot.ogg > Nice one. This is the most obviously cluttered shot so far. Cheers. -- Patrick Shirkey - Boost Hardware Ltd. Http://www.boosthardware.com Http://lau.linuxaudio.org - The Linux Audio Users guide ======================================== "Anything your mind can see you can manifest physically, then it will become reality" - Macka B From tszilagyi at users.sourceforge.net Mon Oct 9 01:31:50 2006 From: tszilagyi at users.sourceforge.net (Tom Szilagyi) Date: Mon Oct 9 01:30:57 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [ANN] Aqualung 0.9beta6 released In-Reply-To: References: <20061003191529.GC4677@r51> Message-ID: <20061009053149.GA3583@r51> On Wed, Oct 04, 2006 at 04:01:10PM +0200, Peder Hedlund wrote: > On Tue, 3 Oct 2006, Tom Szilagyi wrote: > > > The developers are pleased to announce the latest release of > > Aqualung, a music player for GNU/Linux. > > Website: http://aqualung.sf.net > > One thing I miss is drag-n-drop from rox. > That's probably the only thing that keeps me from switching from xmms. FYI, the latest CVS version now has support for receiving files via DnD from external sources. You can grab a CVS tarball from http://aqualung.sf.net - all you have to do is "sh autogen.sh" before doing ./configure. HTH, Tom From tech at glastonburymusic.org.uk Mon Oct 9 06:49:52 2006 From: tech at glastonburymusic.org.uk (tim hall) Date: Mon Oct 9 06:50:13 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [ANN] Aqualung 0.9beta6 released In-Reply-To: <1159994640.2481.22.camel@mindpipe> References: <20061003191529.GC4677@r51> <20061004195043.GB3945@r51> <1159994640.2481.22.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <200610091149.52879.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> On Wednesday 04 October 2006 21:43, Lee Revell was like: > Just a thought - maybe Google or Ubuntu or another distro would be > willing to fund you. > > I think it reflects very badly on the Linux desktop that the default > media player is either XMMS (unmaintained for years) or whatever garbage > Gnome and KDE are pushing this month. ?A top notch media player that > distros could standardize on would be a big step forward. Not wanting to put Aqualung down, in fact I think it's high time *someone* submitted an RFP to Debian for it. I have just had a look at GQmpeg, which seems good for mp3 and ogg so far. It has a dreadful name and needs some better skins, but it is the most obvious direct replacement for XMMS. If Aqualung can raise the standards for Linux media players and we can persuade *someone* to make a Debian package, I will push for debian-multimedia to adopt it. The idea of a stable release is appealing. :) -- cheers, tim hall http://glastonburymusic.org.uk/tim *We are the people We've been waiting for* From dlphillips at woh.rr.com Mon Oct 9 08:23:14 2006 From: dlphillips at woh.rr.com (Dave Phillips) Date: Mon Oct 9 07:58:01 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [ANN] Aqualung 0.9beta6 released In-Reply-To: <200610091149.52879.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> References: <20061003191529.GC4677@r51> <20061004195043.GB3945@r51> <1159994640.2481.22.camel@mindpipe> <200610091149.52879.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> Message-ID: <452A3F32.5040500@woh.rr.com> tOn Wednesday 04 October 2006 21:43, Lee Revell was like: >>I think it reflects very badly on the Linux desktop that the default >>media player is either XMMS (unmaintained for years) or whatever garbage >>Gnome and KDE are pushing this month. A top notch media player that >>distros could standardize on would be a big step forward. >> XMMS Changelog here: http://havardk.xmms.org/dist/cvs/ Indicates minor but consistent activity in 2005 and 2006. Nothing especially radical, but also not "unmaintained for years". Best, dp From lars.luthman at gmail.com Mon Oct 9 08:10:21 2006 From: lars.luthman at gmail.com (Lars Luthman) Date: Mon Oct 9 08:10:34 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] COMPETITION: Most Loaded Desktop Screenshot In-Reply-To: <57395.192.168.0.2.1160332699.squirrel@webmail.migratis.net> References: <451B08CD.4060708@boosthardware.com> <003701c6e367$884aadd0$0402a8c0@64BitBadass> <57395.192.168.0.2.1160332699.squirrel@webmail.migratis.net> Message-ID: <1160395821.12240.1.camel@c213-100-20-9.swipnet.se> On Sun, 2006-10-08 at 20:38 +0200, Dubphil wrote: > Hello, > > not for the competition but just for the fun ! > > normaly all the apps are dispatched on my 4 desktops, but I've joint all > in one for the screenshot. > > jackd > qjackctl > ecasound > seq24 > zynaddsubfx > zynaddsubfx > zynaddsubfx > hydrogen > terminatorx (in action) > timemachine > an xterm with gimp beeing compiled > => zero xruns > > screenshot : http://www.migratis.net/soundsystem.png > resulting sound : http://www.migratis.net/screenshot.ogg Since ZynAddSubFX is multitimbral, having 3 instances of it running is obviously cheating. =) -- Lars Luthman - please encrypt any email sent to me if possible PGP key: http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x04C77E2E Fingerprint: FCA7 C790 19B9 322D EB7A E1B3 4371 4650 04C7 7E2E -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Regards Philippe From atte.jensen at gmail.com Mon Oct 9 08:55:26 2006 From: atte.jensen at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Atte_Andr=E9_Jensen?=) Date: Mon Oct 9 08:55:42 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] COMPETITION: Most Loaded Desktop Screenshot In-Reply-To: <4443.80.124.137.204.1160397120.squirrel@webmail.migratis.net> References: <451B08CD.4060708@boosthardware.com> <003701c6e367$884aadd0$0402a8c0@64BitBadass> <57395.192.168.0.2.1160332699.squirrel@webmail.migratis.net> <1160395821.12240.1.camel@c213-100-20-9.swipnet.se> <4443.80.124.137.204.1160397120.squirrel@webmail.migratis.net> Message-ID: <452A46BE.6000001@gmail.com> Dubphil wrote: > is it possible to control the timbers independently by midi with seq24 ? Sure. Each "timbre" of a running zyn is on a different midi channel. Just select the corresponding midi channel in seq and you're set. -- peace, love & harmony Atte http://www.atte.dk | quintet: http://www.anagrammer.dk | compositions: http://www.atte.dk/compositions From lars.luthman at gmail.com Mon Oct 9 08:57:10 2006 From: lars.luthman at gmail.com (Lars Luthman) Date: Mon Oct 9 08:57:24 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] COMPETITION: Most Loaded Desktop Screenshot In-Reply-To: <4443.80.124.137.204.1160397120.squirrel@webmail.migratis.net> References: <451B08CD.4060708@boosthardware.com> <003701c6e367$884aadd0$0402a8c0@64BitBadass> <57395.192.168.0.2.1160332699.squirrel@webmail.migratis.net> <1160395821.12240.1.camel@c213-100-20-9.swipnet.se> <4443.80.124.137.204.1160397120.squirrel@webmail.migratis.net> Message-ID: <1160398630.12240.4.camel@c213-100-20-9.swipnet.se> On Mon, 2006-10-09 at 14:32 +0200, Dubphil wrote: > > Since ZynAddSubFX is multitimbral, having 3 instances of it running is > > obviously cheating. =) > > is it possible to control the timbers independently by midi with seq24 ? > if yes I would be happy to relieve my computer a bit... I always assumed that each instrument had its own controllers (since the "Controllers" button is in the instrument tab in the GUI). I can't test it now though. There used to be documentation about the controllers on http://zynaddsubfx.sourceforge.net , but the server with the SF project pages seem to be down at the moment. -- Lars Luthman - please encrypt any email sent to me if possible PGP key: http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x04C77E2E Fingerprint: FCA7 C790 19B9 322D EB7A E1B3 4371 4650 04C7 7E2E -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Regards, Clemens From cladisch at fastmail.net Mon Oct 9 11:38:59 2006 From: cladisch at fastmail.net (Clemens Ladisch) Date: Mon Oct 9 11:39:05 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Midi data arrives, but gets stuck in ALSA's buffer In-Reply-To: <4526BD81.3020103@jensgulden.de> References: <4526BD81.3020103@jensgulden.de> Message-ID: <1160408339.8177.272895777@webmail.messagingengine.com> Jens Gulden wrote: > cat /proc/asound/card2/midi0 -> > > MidiSport 2x2 > > Output 0 > Tx bytes : 0 > Output 1 > Tx bytes : 0 > Input 0 > Rx bytes : 1186 > Buffer size : 4096 > Avail : 1186 <--- ### SHOULD BE 0, NOT ==RX BYTES! ### > Overruns : 0 > Input 1 > Rx bytes : 0 > > Instead of passing the data further to the connected timidity, it gets > stuck in the receive-buffer. > When 4096 is reached, overruns start to count up. Does the same happen if you run "amidi -d -p hw:2,0" when no other program is connected? Regards, Clemens From mathias.friman at knorca.se Mon Oct 9 14:13:59 2006 From: mathias.friman at knorca.se (Mathias Friman) Date: Mon Oct 9 14:13:58 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Setting IRQ on intel8x0-card Message-ID: Hi list. I have a question regarding IRQ-assignment for an on-board card identified as an Intel 82801DB-ICH4. It is a crappy card, I know, and you probably ask yourselves why on earth I would want to put any effort in configuring such sub-standard equipment. The question, fortunately, is a bit broader than that. I'm writing some swedish docs on how to set up a Linux-system as a DAW, and see the need to do it thoroughly. :) As of now the card shares IRQ with the eth0-card, which isn't super if one is to set RT-prio 99 on it. Is there a simple way in setting a specific IRQ without the need for a super-BIOS that does it for you? Since I have a laptop the option of shuffling the PCI-cards isn't really viable. :) I think I remember from my early days of kernel-hacking that it is possible to set IRQ with modprobe options, but it was a while ago. I searched through the kernel tree in the /sound/pci/intel_8x0.c file to no avail. Any feedback is welcome, with the sole exception of "Why?" ;) Regards, Mathias From tszilagyi at users.sourceforge.net Mon Oct 9 14:33:09 2006 From: tszilagyi at users.sourceforge.net (Tom Szilagyi) Date: Mon Oct 9 14:31:42 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [ANN] Aqualung 0.9beta6 released In-Reply-To: <200610091149.52879.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> References: <20061003191529.GC4677@r51> <20061004195043.GB3945@r51> <1159994640.2481.22.camel@mindpipe> <200610091149.52879.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> Message-ID: <20061009183309.GA3596@r51> On Mon, Oct 09, 2006 at 11:49:52AM +0100, tim hall wrote: > > Not wanting to put Aqualung down, in fact I think it's high time *someone* > submitted an RFP to Debian for it. I have just had a look at GQmpeg, which > seems good for mp3 and ogg so far. It has a dreadful name and needs some > better skins, but it is the most obvious direct replacement for XMMS. Sure, no offense taken - Aqualung was never meant and is not trying to be a replacement for any existing program, including the oh-so-popular XMMS. It is trying to be a piece of software in its own right. Tom From paul at linuxaudiosystems.com Mon Oct 9 14:46:18 2006 From: paul at linuxaudiosystems.com (Paul Davis) Date: Mon Oct 9 14:47:10 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Setting IRQ on intel8x0-card In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1160419578.5429.12.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Mon, 2006-10-09 at 20:13 +0200, Mathias Friman wrote: > Hi list. > > I have a question regarding IRQ-assignment for an on-board card identified as an Intel 82801DB-ICH4. > > It is a crappy card, I know, and you probably ask yourselves why on earth I would want to put any effort > in configuring such sub-standard equipment. The question, fortunately, is a bit broader than that. I'm writing some swedish docs > on how to set up a Linux-system as a DAW, and see the need to do it thoroughly. :) > > As of now the card shares IRQ with the eth0-card, which isn't super if one is to set RT-prio 99 on it. > > Is there a simple way in setting a specific IRQ without the need for a super-BIOS that does it for you? Since I have > a laptop the option of shuffling the PCI-cards isn't really viable. :) > > I think I remember from my early days of kernel-hacking that it is possible to set IRQ with modprobe options, but it > was a while ago. I searched through the kernel tree in the /sound/pci/intel_8x0.c file to no avail. its basically not possible. PC architecture has changed quite a lot in the last few years, and AFAIK you can no longer get the kernel to change IRQ assignments. it seems stupid, i know, but i dug into this rather deeply a year or so back, and basically the kernel picks up the IO-APIC routings and does not modify them, even with the many flags that appear to be related to possibly modifying them :( there is a really cool perl script that actually analyses IO-APIC routings via the /proc filesystem, and it confirmed for me what i was worried about. if your BIOS doesn't allow it, you're out of luck *AFAIK*. if i am wrong, i will be happy to hear more, since i face similar issues on my laptop. --p From rlrevell at joe-job.com Mon Oct 9 15:07:57 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Mon Oct 9 15:07:31 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Setting IRQ on intel8x0-card In-Reply-To: <1160419578.5429.12.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1160419578.5429.12.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1160420878.629.37.camel@mindpipe> On Mon, 2006-10-09 at 14:46 -0400, Paul Davis wrote: > its basically not possible. PC architecture has changed quite a lot in > the last few years, and AFAIK you can no longer get the kernel to change > IRQ assignments. it seems stupid, i know, but i dug into this rather > deeply a year or so back, and basically the kernel picks up the IO-APIC > routings and does not modify them, even with the many flags that appear > to be related to possibly modifying them :( there is a really cool perl > script that actually analyses IO-APIC routings via the /proc filesystem, > and it confirmed for me what i was worried about. > > if your BIOS doesn't allow it, you're out of luck *AFAIK*. if i am > wrong, i will be happy to hear more, since i face similar issues on my > laptop. Has it ever been possible to change the IRQs of onboard devices? I thought it was hard wired. Lee From paul at linuxaudiosystems.com Mon Oct 9 15:27:58 2006 From: paul at linuxaudiosystems.com (Paul Davis) Date: Mon Oct 9 15:28:48 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Setting IRQ on intel8x0-card In-Reply-To: <1160420878.629.37.camel@mindpipe> References: <1160419578.5429.12.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1160420878.629.37.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <1160422078.5429.15.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Mon, 2006-10-09 at 15:07 -0400, Lee Revell wrote: > On Mon, 2006-10-09 at 14:46 -0400, Paul Davis wrote: > > its basically not possible. PC architecture has changed quite a lot in > > the last few years, and AFAIK you can no longer get the kernel to change > > IRQ assignments. it seems stupid, i know, but i dug into this rather > > deeply a year or so back, and basically the kernel picks up the IO-APIC > > routings and does not modify them, even with the many flags that appear > > to be related to possibly modifying them :( there is a really cool perl > > script that actually analyses IO-APIC routings via the /proc filesystem, > > and it confirmed for me what i was worried about. > > > > if your BIOS doesn't allow it, you're out of luck *AFAIK*. if i am > > wrong, i will be happy to hear more, since i face similar issues on my > > laptop. > > Has it ever been possible to change the IRQs of onboard devices? I > thought it was hard wired. the wiring into the IO-APIC is board-level, but the IO-APIC is programmable and thus you can change the actual IRQ that the device generates, in theory. however, the kernel at this time doesn't contain code that tries to reprogram the IO-APIC in this area of its function, so you get what it gives you. i believe. From mail at jensgulden.de Mon Oct 9 16:58:10 2006 From: mail at jensgulden.de (Jens Gulden) Date: Mon Oct 9 16:56:53 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Terratec Midi Hubble supported? In-Reply-To: <1160407908.7492.272895117@webmail.messagingengine.com> References: <4526E93A.5000404@jensgulden.de> <1160407908.7492.272895117@webmail.messagingengine.com> Message-ID: <452AB7E2.2020908@jensgulden.de> Clemens Ladisch schrieb: > Jens Gulden wrote: > >>is the "Terratec Midi Hubble" (usb midi-interface) supported by ALSA? > > > Not yet. Would you be willing to test a patch? > > > Regards, > Clemens No, sorry - I was thinking of maybe buying one because it was available in a shop nearby. But I got myself an Edirol UM-1EX instead, because it was clearly said to work on the list http://qbik.ch/usb/devices/search_res.php?pattern=midi - and yes, it works fine. Jens From hardbop200 at gmail.com Mon Oct 9 23:21:58 2006 From: hardbop200 at gmail.com (Josh Lawrence) Date: Mon Oct 9 23:22:06 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] cd ripping in linux Message-ID: Wow, am I confused. I'm going on a trip tomorrow for a couple of days, and want to take a few CDs worth of music with me. I made the mistake of googling for how to rip a CD in linux, and there are more ways to do it than to skin a cat. I don't care what format they are in (mp3, ogg, whatever), I just want to listen to my CDs on my laptop. How should I do this? I'm running Debian Etch. CDDB support would be a must (don't have time to type all of that stuff in!). Any ideas? -- Josh Lawrence http://www.hardbop200.com From eviltwin69 at cableone.net Mon Oct 9 23:14:14 2006 From: eviltwin69 at cableone.net (Jan Depner) Date: Mon Oct 9 23:30:23 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] cd ripping in linux In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1160450054.20024.0.camel@eviltwin> Grip On Mon, 2006-10-09 at 22:21 -0500, Josh Lawrence wrote: > Wow, am I confused. I'm going on a trip tomorrow for a couple of > days, and want to take a few CDs worth of music with me. I made the > mistake of googling for how to rip a CD in linux, and there are more > ways to do it than to skin a cat. I don't care what format they are > in (mp3, ogg, whatever), I just want to listen to my CDs on my laptop. > > How should I do this? > > I'm running Debian Etch. CDDB support would be a must (don't have > time to type all of that stuff in!). Any ideas? > -- Jan 'Evil Twin' Depner http://myweb.cableone.net/eviltwin69 "Life should NOT be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in an attractive and well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, chardonnay in one hand, chocolate in the other, body thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and screaming 'WOO HOO, what a ride'" From mikeraz at patch.com Mon Oct 9 23:31:18 2006 From: mikeraz at patch.com (Michael Rasmussen) Date: Mon Oct 9 23:31:29 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] cd ripping in linux In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20061010033118.GA17456@patch.com> Josh Lawrence wrote: > I'm running Debian Etch. CDDB support would be a must (don't have > time to type all of that stuff in!). Any ideas? get a grip. Well, just get grip. Works great. -- Michael Rasmussen, Portland Oregon Be appropriate && Follow your curiosity http://www.patch.com/words/ or http://fut.patch.com/ The fortune cookie says: No poet or novelist wishes he was the only one who ever lived, but most of them wish they were the only one alive, and quite a number fondly believe their wish has been granted. -- W.H. Auden, "The Dyer's Hand" From hardbop200 at gmail.com Mon Oct 9 23:37:20 2006 From: hardbop200 at gmail.com (Josh Lawrence) Date: Mon Oct 9 23:37:29 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] cd ripping in linux In-Reply-To: <20061010033118.GA17456@patch.com> References: <20061010033118.GA17456@patch.com> Message-ID: On 10/9/06, Michael Rasmussen wrote: > get a grip. Well, just get grip. > Works great. "grip gotten." installing now - thanks for the help! -- Josh Lawrence http://www.hardbop200.com From _ at whats-your.name Mon Oct 9 23:40:42 2006 From: _ at whats-your.name (carmen) Date: Mon Oct 9 23:40:48 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] cd ripping in linux In-Reply-To: References: <20061010033118.GA17456@patch.com> Message-ID: <20061010034042.GA24240@replic.net> On Mon Oct 09, 2006 at 10:37:20PM -0500, Josh Lawrence wrote: > On 10/9/06, Michael Rasmussen wrote: > >get a grip. Well, just get grip. anyone got a 1-line bash cd-ripping script? presumably this is what grip ends up doing anwyays.. From listreader at lupulin.net Tue Oct 10 00:24:38 2006 From: listreader at lupulin.net (paul wisehart) Date: Tue Oct 10 00:26:27 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] cd ripping in linux In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20061010042438.GA3603@seraf> On Mon, Oct 09, 2006 at 10:21:58PM -0500, Josh Lawrence wrote: > Wow, am I confused. I'm going on a trip tomorrow for a couple of > days, and want to take a few CDs worth of music with me. I made the > mistake of googling for how to rip a CD in linux, and there are more > ways to do it than to skin a cat. I don't care what format they are > in (mp3, ogg, whatever), I just want to listen to my CDs on my laptop. > > How should I do this? > > I'm running Debian Etch. CDDB support would be a must (don't have > time to type all of that stuff in!). Any ideas? ripperX From pw_lists at slinkp.com Tue Oct 10 00:32:00 2006 From: pw_lists at slinkp.com (Paul Winkler) Date: Tue Oct 10 00:32:20 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] cd ripping in linux In-Reply-To: <20061010034042.GA24240@replic.net> References: <20061010033118.GA17456@patch.com> <20061010034042.GA24240@replic.net> Message-ID: <20061010043200.GC2847@slinkp.com> On Tue, Oct 10, 2006 at 03:40:42AM +0000, carmen wrote: > On Mon Oct 09, 2006 at 10:37:20PM -0500, Josh Lawrence wrote: > > On 10/9/06, Michael Rasmussen wrote: > > >get a grip. Well, just get grip. > > anyone got a 1-line bash cd-ripping script? > > presumably this is what grip ends up doing anwyays.. If all you wanna do is rip to .wav: cdparanoia -B And, not quite one line, but here's a simple script that, given an argument "foo", will spit out a bunch of mp3 files named foo_01.mp3, foo_02.mp3, etc. Adjust to taste. #!/bin/sh ENCODER="lame -S" EXT=.mp3 cdparanoia -B -q || exit 1 for file in track*wav; do $ENCODER $file > /dev/null 2>&1 && rm -f $file || exit 1 rename .cdda.wav.${EXT} .${EXT} ${file}.${EXT} done rename track ${1}_ track*${EXT} -- Paul Winkler http://www.slinkp.com From cladisch at fastmail.net Tue Oct 10 02:32:03 2006 From: cladisch at fastmail.net (Clemens Ladisch) Date: Tue Oct 10 02:32:10 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Setting IRQ on intel8x0-card In-Reply-To: <1160422078.5429.15.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1160419578.5429.12.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1160420878.629.37.camel@mindpipe> <1160422078.5429.15.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1160461923.22161.272953167@webmail.messagingengine.com> Paul Davis wrote: > On Mon, 2006-10-09 at 15:07 -0400, Lee Revell wrote: > > Has it ever been possible to change the IRQs of onboard devices? I > > thought it was hard wired. > > the wiring into the IO-APIC is board-level, but the IO-APIC is > programmable and thus you can change the actual IRQ that the device > generates, in theory. But at this point, the interrupt lines from onboard and external PCI devices are already merged, so changing the IRQ would just move both devices. When an onboard device and a PCI card conflict, you have to move the card to another slot (or, better, to fix the driver(s)). Regards, Clemens From lau at kudla.org Tue Oct 10 05:01:45 2006 From: lau at kudla.org (Rob) Date: Tue Oct 10 05:03:14 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] cd ripping in linux In-Reply-To: <20061010034042.GA24240@replic.net> References: <20061010034042.GA24240@replic.net> Message-ID: <200610100501.45356.lau@kudla.org> On Monday 09 October 2006 23:40, carmen wrote: > anyone got a 1-line bash cd-ripping script? > presumably this is what grip ends up doing anwyays.. Yeah, after it goes out and looks up the artist and track names on cddb/freedb/flavorofthemonthdb, and then uses those names when it creates the wav and/or mp3/ogg files. You might be able to do that in bash but I think your one liner might be a pretty long line. I personally prefer ripperX, or a gambas app I wrote years ago, probably wouldn't even compile now, that lets me selectively merge consecutive tracks (lots of Yes, Mike Oldfield, Pink Floyd, etc. in my collection) but grip is fine. I have a perl script I use when I want to rip CD after CD, but it's a lot more than one line. Speaking of which, does anyone know of a reliable way, in whatever language, to either (a) detect if a CD drive's tray is open, or (b) detect whether there's media present without sucking the CD drive's tray in (i.e. if it's popped out, assume there is no media?) I started looking in /dev and /proc files and investigating ioctls and all that stuff back then but I never did get it working. It's like Schroedinger's CD tray. Rob From bart.vanelderen at gmail.com Tue Oct 10 05:14:20 2006 From: bart.vanelderen at gmail.com (Bart Vanelderen) Date: Tue Oct 10 05:14:35 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] cd ripping in linux In-Reply-To: <20061010034042.GA24240@replic.net> References: <20061010033118.GA17456@patch.com> <20061010034042.GA24240@replic.net> Message-ID: On 10/10/06, carmen <_@whats-your.name> wrote: > anyone got a 1-line bash cd-ripping script? abcde (a better cd encoder) does just that: http://lly.org/~rcw/abcde/page/ it has CDDB support From fbar at footils.org Tue Oct 10 05:48:37 2006 From: fbar at footils.org (Frank Barknecht) Date: Tue Oct 10 05:49:29 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] cd ripping in linux In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20061010094837.GH20129@fliwatut.scifi> Hallo, Josh Lawrence hat gesagt: // Josh Lawrence wrote: > How should I do this? I use jack. The other one. http://jack.sf.net Ciao -- Frank Barknecht _ ______footils.org_ __goto10.org__ From plessas at mur.at Tue Oct 10 05:50:27 2006 From: plessas at mur.at (Peter Plessas) Date: Tue Oct 10 05:50:39 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: cd ripping in linux In-Reply-To: <20061010043228.48CE235A8AAE@music.columbia.edu> References: <20061010043228.48CE235A8AAE@music.columbia.edu> Message-ID: <20061010095027.GC18522@mur.at> Dear List, i am wondering how to add cddb support to cdparanoia, so i could rip my cds on an X-less computer. Any ideas? lg, peter From fbar at footils.org Tue Oct 10 06:06:20 2006 From: fbar at footils.org (Frank Barknecht) Date: Tue Oct 10 06:07:13 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: cd ripping in linux In-Reply-To: <20061010095027.GC18522@mur.at> References: <20061010043228.48CE235A8AAE@music.columbia.edu> <20061010095027.GC18522@mur.at> Message-ID: <20061010100620.GI20129@fliwatut.scifi> Hallo, Peter Plessas hat gesagt: // Peter Plessas wrote: > i am wondering how to add cddb support to cdparanoia, so i could rip my > cds on an X-less computer. jack.sf.net, which I mentioned in my other mail, works without X, and it sooo easy to use, it's amazing. It comes with decent defaults (at least on Debian), however I have a ~/.jack3rc which overwrites soem settings: encoder:flac vbr_quality:6 You could also use "encoder:ogg" or "encoder:mp3" instead. Ogg is default on Debian. Using jack then is as simple as inserting a CD and typing: $ jack It will fire up an ncurses-frontend to show the progress and will encode into a new directory using generic filenames like "track_01.ogg". You can interrupt this process anytime and go on with another "$ jack" later. You query FreeDB afterwards with: $ jack -q This will rename all files to a configurable format like artist-title.ogg and will also rename the directory containing the files to the CD title. It's all very well thought out, dead easy to use and very reliable. Of course it's also configurable in any way, if needed. It's just one of those programs, that gets things done fast and simple. Ciao -- Frank Barknecht _ ______footils.org_ __goto10.org__ From seablaede at gmail.com Tue Oct 10 06:42:52 2006 From: seablaede at gmail.com (Thomas Vecchione) Date: Tue Oct 10 06:36:53 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] cd ripping in linux In-Reply-To: References: <20061010033118.GA17456@patch.com> <20061010034042.GA24240@replic.net> Message-ID: <452B792C.3030705@gmail.com> > On 10/10/06, carmen <_@whats-your.name> wrote: >> anyone got a 1-line bash cd-ripping script? > > abcde (a better cd encoder) does just that: > http://lly.org/~rcw/abcde/page/ > > it has CDDB support Me <3 abcde;) Seablade From seablaede at gmail.com Tue Oct 10 06:44:10 2006 From: seablaede at gmail.com (Thomas Vecchione) Date: Tue Oct 10 06:38:13 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: cd ripping in linux In-Reply-To: <20061010095027.GC18522@mur.at> References: <20061010043228.48CE235A8AAE@music.columbia.edu> <20061010095027.GC18522@mur.at> Message-ID: <452B797A.6010801@gmail.com> > Dear List, > > i am wondering how to add cddb support to cdparanoia, so i could rip my > cds on an X-less computer. > > Any ideas? > > lg, peter ABCDE (A Better CD Encoder) does this for you, and encodes in your choice of formats, uses a text file for configuration,a nd you can automate ripping if you want. Very handy little script. Seablade From mlang at delysid.org Tue Oct 10 09:18:12 2006 From: mlang at delysid.org (Mario Lang) Date: Tue Oct 10 09:18:10 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] freedb track info fetcher? Message-ID: <87odskwbqj.fsf@x2.delysid.org> Hi. Do we have any script that would: * For a directory, calculate CDDB id, fetch from freedb, tag files, rename files. * If no freedb entry, check musicbrainz There are a lot of CDDB based tools for linux, but they all seem to depend on the physical disk being in the cdrom drive. Those that seem to support cddb id caluclation, all are GUI only. I'd like to have a command-line tool, for batch processing. -- CYa, Mario | Debian Developer .''`. | Get my public key via finger mlang@db.debian.org : :' : | 1024D/7FC1A0854909BCCDBE6C102DDFFC022A6B113E44 `. `' `- From paul at linuxaudiosystems.com Tue Oct 10 10:17:54 2006 From: paul at linuxaudiosystems.com (Paul Davis) Date: Tue Oct 10 10:18:41 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Setting IRQ on intel8x0-card In-Reply-To: <1160461923.22161.272953167@webmail.messagingengine.com> References: <1160419578.5429.12.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1160420878.629.37.camel@mindpipe> <1160422078.5429.15.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1160461923.22161.272953167@webmail.messagingengine.com> Message-ID: <1160489875.4931.12.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Tue, 2006-10-10 at 08:32 +0200, Clemens Ladisch wrote: > Paul Davis wrote: > > On Mon, 2006-10-09 at 15:07 -0400, Lee Revell wrote: > > > Has it ever been possible to change the IRQs of onboard devices? I > > > thought it was hard wired. > > > > the wiring into the IO-APIC is board-level, but the IO-APIC is > > programmable and thus you can change the actual IRQ that the device > > generates, in theory. > > But at this point, the interrupt lines from onboard and external PCI > devices are already merged, so changing the IRQ would just move > both devices. > > When an onboard device and a PCI card conflict, you have to move the > card to another slot (or, better, to fix the driver(s)). just as a followup, ryan on #ardour pointed out the kernel boot argument "acpi_irq_balance" which results in *much* better distribution of IRQs among devices on my laptop. i still have the builtin soundcrap, plus the yenta and HDSP driver on the same IRQ, but i used to have the ethernet and two other devices there as well. others who tried it reported improvements as well. --p From mista.tapas at gmx.net Tue Oct 10 10:55:19 2006 From: mista.tapas at gmx.net (Florian Schmidt) Date: Tue Oct 10 10:55:25 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] cd ripping in linux In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200610101655.19641.mista.tapas@gmx.net> On Tuesday 10 October 2006 05:21, Josh Lawrence wrote: > Wow, am I confused. I'm going on a trip tomorrow for a couple of > days, and want to take a few CDs worth of music with me. I made the > mistake of googling for how to rip a CD in linux, and there are more > ways to do it than to skin a cat. I don't care what format they are > in (mp3, ogg, whatever), I just want to listen to my CDs on my laptop. > > How should I do this? > > I'm running Debian Etch. CDDB support would be a must (don't have > time to type all of that stuff in!). Any ideas? Most comfy for me is k3b. It supports CDDB and all major ripping backends and different output formats, FLAC, mp3, ogg, whudever (besides it's also a very cool burning app).. Flo -- Palimm Palimm! http://tapas.affenbande.org From rlrevell at joe-job.com Tue Oct 10 11:04:03 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Tue Oct 10 11:03:25 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] cd ripping in linux In-Reply-To: <200610101655.19641.mista.tapas@gmx.net> References: <200610101655.19641.mista.tapas@gmx.net> Message-ID: <1160492644.629.68.camel@mindpipe> On Tue, 2006-10-10 at 16:55 +0200, Florian Schmidt wrote: > On Tuesday 10 October 2006 05:21, Josh Lawrence wrote: > > Wow, am I confused. I'm going on a trip tomorrow for a couple of > > days, and want to take a few CDs worth of music with me. I made the > > mistake of googling for how to rip a CD in linux, and there are more > > ways to do it than to skin a cat. I don't care what format they are > > in (mp3, ogg, whatever), I just want to listen to my CDs on my laptop. > > > > How should I do this? > > > > I'm running Debian Etch. CDDB support would be a must (don't have > > time to type all of that stuff in!). Any ideas? > > Most comfy for me is k3b. It supports CDDB and all major ripping backends and > different output formats, FLAC, mp3, ogg, whudever (besides it's also a very > cool burning app).. Do all of these apps support exact bit-for-bit extraction (like EAC on Windows)? IOW, can I rip the same CD on several different machines and have the MD5 sums of the resulting .wavs match? Lee From pw_lists at slinkp.com Tue Oct 10 10:08:35 2006 From: pw_lists at slinkp.com (Paul Winkler) Date: Tue Oct 10 12:07:52 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] freedb track info fetcher? In-Reply-To: <87odskwbqj.fsf@x2.delysid.org> References: <87odskwbqj.fsf@x2.delysid.org> Message-ID: <20061010140835.GA7329@slinkp.com> On Tue, Oct 10, 2006 at 03:18:12PM +0200, Mario Lang wrote: > There are a lot of CDDB based tools for linux, but they all seem > to depend on the physical disk being in the cdrom drive. The CDDB disc ID is based on the number of tracks and the track lengths. So if you can accurately calculate that from some soundfiles, you might be in business. I haven't found the algorithm defined anywhere, but maybe these excerpts from the DiscID python module will serve as explanatory pseudocode. It's at http://cddb-py.sourceforge.net/ BUT... I'm not sure how "leadout" is extracted; that might scuttle your idea. # If called from the command line, will print out disc info in a # format identical to Robert Woodcock's 'cd-discid' program. def cddb_sum(n): ret = 0 while n > 0: ret = ret + (n % 10) n = n / 10 return ret def disc_id(device): (first, last) = cdrom.toc_header(device) track_frames = [] checksum = 0 for i in range(first, last + 1): (min, sec, frame) = cdrom.toc_entry(device, i) checksum = checksum + cddb_sum(min*60 + sec) track_frames.append(min*60*75 + sec*75 + frame) (min, sec, frame) = cdrom.leadout(device) track_frames.append(min*60*75 + sec*75 + frame) total_time = (track_frames[-1] / 75) - (track_frames[0] / 75) discid = ((checksum % 0xff) << 24 | total_time << 8 | last) -- Paul Winkler http://www.slinkp.com From nico at tekNico.net Tue Oct 10 11:29:09 2006 From: nico at tekNico.net (Nicola Larosa) Date: Tue Oct 10 12:20:45 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: cd ripping in linux In-Reply-To: <1160492644.629.68.camel@mindpipe> References: <200610101655.19641.mista.tapas@gmx.net> <1160492644.629.68.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: Lee Revell wrote: > Do all of these apps support exact bit-for-bit extraction (like EAC on > Windows)? IOW, can I rip the same CD on several different machines and > have the MD5 sums of the resulting .wavs match? As long as they use cdparanoia as backend, yes. cdparanoia was written by the author of the Vorbis codec, and does a job as good as, or better than, EAC. -- Nicola Larosa - http://www.tekNico.net/ Unwilful untruth is just ignorance and is to be overcome, like a river in one's path or a sore muscle. Wilful untruth is the telling of lies; it should be fought with passion and without mercy, ripped flesh from bones and left to rot in the cold light of day. -- Tim Bray, January 2005 From ats at offog.org Tue Oct 10 13:09:26 2006 From: ats at offog.org (Adam Sampson) Date: Tue Oct 10 13:09:35 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] freedb track info fetcher? In-Reply-To: <87odskwbqj.fsf@x2.delysid.org> (Mario Lang's message of "Tue, 10 Oct 2006 15:18:12 +0200") References: <87odskwbqj.fsf@x2.delysid.org> Message-ID: Mario Lang writes: > There are a lot of CDDB based tools for linux, but they all seem > to depend on the physical disk being in the cdrom drive. > I'd like to have a command-line tool, for batch processing. I wanted this too, so my "cdsuite" ripper grabs the discid information at the same time as the tracks, then can read it back later once a network connection is available to actually rename the files. It's a bit me-specific, I'm afraid, but it might be of some interest: http://offog.org/files/snapshots/cdsuite/ -- Adam Sampson From mathias.friman at knorca.se Tue Oct 10 14:41:31 2006 From: mathias.friman at knorca.se (Mathias Friman) Date: Tue Oct 10 14:36:43 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Setting IRQ on intel8x0-card In-Reply-To: <1160489875.4931.12.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1160419578.5429.12.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1160420878.629.37.camel@mindpipe> <1160422078.5429.15.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1160461923.22161.272953167@webmail.messagingengine.com> <1160489875.4931.12.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1160505691.2059.12.camel@knc-se-lap0001.knorca.se> On Tue, 2006-10-10 at 10:17 -0400, Paul Davis wrote: > > But at this point, the interrupt lines from onboard and external PCI > > devices are already merged, so changing the IRQ would just move > > both devices. > > > > When an onboard device and a PCI card conflict, you have to move the > > card to another slot (or, better, to fix the driver(s)). > > just as a followup, ryan on #ardour pointed out the kernel boot argument > "acpi_irq_balance" which results in *much* better distribution of IRQs > among devices on my laptop. i still have the builtin soundcrap, plus the > yenta and HDSP driver on the same IRQ, but i used to have the ethernet > and two other devices there as well. others who tried it reported > improvements as well. > I tried with acpi_irq_balance and acpi_irq_pci=3,4,5,6,9,10,11,12,13,14 but that didn't change a thing. I still have my soundcard on the same IRQ as my eth0, IRQ 11. It is also noteworthy that in the kernel Documentation-directory there is a file "kernel-parameters.txt" which lists all, surprise, kernel parameters that can be passed to the kernel at boot-time. According to that list, it is possible to set IRQ on most, if not all, OSS-drivers. It is also possible to set IO-addr and DMA, but seemingly not in ALSA. Is it just a driver design issue or are the systems in themselves that different? Regards, Mathias From rlrevell at joe-job.com Tue Oct 10 14:51:42 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Tue Oct 10 14:51:05 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Setting IRQ on intel8x0-card In-Reply-To: <1160505691.2059.12.camel@knc-se-lap0001.knorca.se> References: <1160419578.5429.12.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1160420878.629.37.camel@mindpipe> <1160422078.5429.15.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1160461923.22161.272953167@webmail.messagingengine.com> <1160489875.4931.12.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1160505691.2059.12.camel@knc-se-lap0001.knorca.se> Message-ID: <1160506303.629.92.camel@mindpipe> On Tue, 2006-10-10 at 20:41 +0200, Mathias Friman wrote: > On Tue, 2006-10-10 at 10:17 -0400, Paul Davis wrote: > > > > But at this point, the interrupt lines from onboard and external PCI > > > devices are already merged, so changing the IRQ would just move > > > both devices. > > > > > > When an onboard device and a PCI card conflict, you have to move the > > > card to another slot (or, better, to fix the driver(s)). > > > > just as a followup, ryan on #ardour pointed out the kernel boot argument > > "acpi_irq_balance" which results in *much* better distribution of IRQs > > among devices on my laptop. i still have the builtin soundcrap, plus the > > yenta and HDSP driver on the same IRQ, but i used to have the ethernet > > and two other devices there as well. others who tried it reported > > improvements as well. > > > > I tried with acpi_irq_balance and acpi_irq_pci=3,4,5,6,9,10,11,12,13,14 > but that didn't change a thing. I still have my soundcard on the same > IRQ as my eth0, IRQ 11. It is also noteworthy that in the kernel > Documentation-directory there is a file "kernel-parameters.txt" which > lists all, surprise, kernel parameters that can be passed to the kernel > at boot-time. According to that list, it is possible to set IRQ on most, > if not all, OSS-drivers. It is also possible to set IO-addr and DMA, but > seemingly not in ALSA. Is it just a driver design issue or are the > systems in themselves that different? This is not a software but a hardware issue. Those OSS driver parameters don't actually set the hardware IRQ, IO address and DMA channel - they are for old non-PnP hardware where the driver cannot probe the hardware configuration. The IRQ sharing between your ethernet and sound card is almost certainly hard wired. Lee From forest at alittletooquiet.net Tue Oct 10 16:18:48 2006 From: forest at alittletooquiet.net (Forest Bond) Date: Tue Oct 10 16:18:59 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: cd ripping in linux In-Reply-To: <20061010095027.GC18522@mur.at> References: <20061010043228.48CE235A8AAE@music.columbia.edu> <20061010095027.GC18522@mur.at> Message-ID: <20061010201847.GE24493@storm.local.network> On Tue, Oct 10, 2006 at 11:50:27AM +0200, Peter Plessas wrote: > i am wondering how to add cddb support to cdparanoia, so i could rip my > cds on an X-less computer. > > Any ideas? Hmm, I wrote a little python script that does just this, but I haven't added support for it to do anything than just rip the whole cd and rename the files appropriately. I'm happy to send it to you; I was going to publish it eventually, once I had added a few options. -Forest -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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So am I always a cheater ? ;) Regards Philippe From rj at spamatica.se Tue Oct 10 17:13:25 2006 From: rj at spamatica.se (Robert Jonsson) Date: Tue Oct 10 17:11:10 2006 Subject: ZynAdd stereo outs, was: Re: [linux-audio-user] COMPETITION: Most Loaded Desktop Screenshot In-Reply-To: <37479.192.168.0.2.1160513149.squirrel@webmail.migratis.net> References: <37479.192.168.0.2.1160513149.squirrel@webmail.migratis.net> Message-ID: <200610102313.26073.rj@spamatica.se> Hi, On Tuesday 10 October 2006 22:45, Dubphil wrote: > Hello, > > ok I can control independently 3 instruments of zynaddsubfx with seq24, > but I need them to be splitted in 3 stereo outputs, and here obviously, > I'm lost. Zyn has only one stereo out. I looked into this and it actually looked rather trivial to add crude support for separate stereo outs for each midi channel. should look into this ;). Regards, Robert -- http://spamatica.se/musicsite/ From dawsonwu at rahul.net Tue Oct 10 17:23:06 2006 From: dawsonwu at rahul.net (ken dawson chia wu) Date: Tue Oct 10 17:23:49 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Linux-friendly portable music player? In-Reply-To: <20060926174001.38456068@mistral.stie>; from lanas@securenet.net on Tue, Sep 26, 2006 at 05:40:01PM -0400 References: <20060926174001.38456068@mistral.stie> Message-ID: <20061010142306.A15295@rahul.net> On Tue, Sep 26, 2006 at 05:40:01PM -0400, lanas wrote: > On Mon, 25 Sep 2006 20:27:26 +0300 > Juhana Sadeharju wrote: > > > Hello. What would be an economical and Linux-friendly portable > > music player? > > Depends what 'economical' means. I recently bought a iRiver T30 1 GB > for some $110 USD. It can play ogg files. Works with Linux, using > gphoto (libgphoto2). Copy voice files from it (has a recorder built-in, > nice feature to make your boss remember things he said) and put ogg (and > mp3) files in it. Sound is nice. > > With Linux I use gphoto (libgphoto2) as root to access files. Could be > simpler I guess, but I'm lazy, so I copy/paste commands. One of these > days I'll make a userland Perl interface. > > Cheers, > Al I recently bought a T30 1GB, with the intention of connecting it to linux, partly in response to this thread, but am near to returning it. My attempts to update the firmware as illustrated though a link elsewhere in this thread resulted in v1.71 of the firmware being installed (not v1.70 as illustrated on the linked page), and the option to switch to UMS mode from MTP mode did not appear in this process. So, I'm curious how your use of gphoto2 manages to access the T30. From my reading of the gphoto2 docs, it is about USB-linked cameras pretty much exclusively; so am I missing something? Were you able to access your T30 in MTP mode? If so, please explain how. Thanks, /ken From fbar at footils.org Tue Oct 10 17:34:56 2006 From: fbar at footils.org (Frank Barknecht) Date: Tue Oct 10 17:35:49 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] freedb track info fetcher? In-Reply-To: <87odskwbqj.fsf@x2.delysid.org> References: <87odskwbqj.fsf@x2.delysid.org> Message-ID: <20061010213456.GB16562@fliwatut.scifi> Hallo, Mario Lang hat gesagt: // Mario Lang wrote: > There are a lot of CDDB based tools for linux, but they all seem > to depend on the physical disk being in the cdrom drive. Not exactly what you want, but Jack, the other one, can rip and query from iso images created for example with with cdrdao. As jack, the other one, is written in Pyton, it may not be too hard to make it support your wishes as well. Ciao -- Frank Barknecht _ ______footils.org_ __goto10.org__ From plessas at mur.at Tue Oct 10 18:47:08 2006 From: plessas at mur.at (Peter Plessas) Date: Tue Oct 10 18:47:20 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: cd ripping in linux In-Reply-To: <20061010185106.425C835CAC12@music.columbia.edu> References: <20061010185106.425C835CAC12@music.columbia.edu> Message-ID: <20061010224708.GA2817@mur.at> Hi all, thanks for the nivce hints about abcde and jack, as well as forests python script. I settled with jack in the meantime, and am happy burning cpu cycles on my server as it is up anyway. regards, Peter From lanas at securenet.net Tue Oct 10 19:47:05 2006 From: lanas at securenet.net (lanas) Date: Tue Oct 10 19:44:01 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Linux-friendly portable music player? In-Reply-To: <20061010142306.A15295@rahul.net> References: <20060926174001.38456068@mistral.stie> <20061010142306.A15295@rahul.net> Message-ID: <20061010194705.1248ba09@mistral.stie> On Tue, 10 Oct 2006 14:23:06 -0700 ken dawson chia wu wrote: > My attempts to update the firmware as illustrated though a link > elsewhere in this thread resulted in v1.71 of the firmware being > installed (not v1.70 as illustrated on the linked page), and the > option to switch to UMS mode from MTP mode did not appear in this > process. Well, as I've replied on this thread, I did not try this yet, as MTP mode is OK for me now. Creating directories and such on the device would be nice, but I can do without since I do not use it that much. Maybe one day. > So, I'm curious how your use of gphoto2 manages to access the T30. > From my reading of the gphoto2 docs, it is about USB-linked cameras > pretty much exclusively; so am I missing something? Were you able to > access your T30 in MTP mode? If so, please explain how. From what I've read the guys at gphoto have to deal with MTP as part of many digital cameras. So the by-product of this is having a MTP access for the T30. I'll describe now how I do it. It may look quite geeky, but it's really not that complicated, especially if you keep the commands in a file and cut & paste them when needed. One of these days if I ever have the time and the inclination, I'll do a simple lib interface and GUI, just for programming fun. For all the commands below to work, you'll have to do them as root. So here goes. I use Fedora 5, CCRMA. Plug the device using the provided USB cable. Put the device in music play mode, but with no song playing. A USB icon should then take the whole display space. First see if the device is seen by the system (and also get the ID of the device): # lsusb You should see some hexa stuff like "0x4102:0x1119". You'll use that to address your device at all times and worst, you have to tell gphoto that it has to behave like device "0x054c:0x004e". Who knows what device "0x054c:0x004e" truly is ? I surely don't. But for gphoto it's important. Remeber, keep these lines in a file at cut & paste them. The ID of your device will never change. So let's say that 'lsusb' gave you an ID of "0x4102:0x1119" (which is actually the ID for my T30). Now, if you want to list the files on the T30, you'd do: # gphoto2 --usbid "0x4102:0x1119=0x054c:0x004e" -L To list the folders you'd do: # gphoto2 --usbid "0x4102:0x1119=0x054c:0x004e" -l Based on the file list above, to retrieve a voice file you've recorded on the T30 you'd do, for example: # gphoto2 --usbid "0x4102:0x1119=0x054c:0x004e" -f /store_00010001/VOICE -p VOICE0807_000.MP3 (the above all in one line) To upload a file to the T30 you'd do: # gphoto2 --usbid "0x4102:0x1119=0x054c:0x004e" -f /store_00010001/Music/iRiver/ -u Unrockbar.ogg (also all on one line - sorry if there's any line wrap) So that's what I'm doing so far. Could very well be that gphoto does more, but I didn't checked it out. The 'problem' with root access could certainly be easily solved, but I'm lazy. Finally, if you got a bunch of files in a directory that you want to upload, do something like: #!/bin/bash for file in $(ls) do echo "Now uploading $file ..." gphoto2 --usbid "0x4102:0x1119=0x054c:0x004e" -f /store_00010001/Music/iRiver/ -u $file done The interface is easily scriptable. Hope this helps. Don't hesitate if you have questions. Cheers, Al From brad at sonaural.com Tue Oct 10 19:51:31 2006 From: brad at sonaural.com (Brad Fuller) Date: Tue Oct 10 19:51:47 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Linux-friendly portable music player? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <452C3203.5020909@sonaural.com> Juhana Sadeharju wrote: > Hello. What would be an economical and Linux-friendly portable > music player? > > Best would be if the player would be seen as a USB disk. > That is: mount /mnt/player ; cp songs/* /mnt/player/ ; umount /mnt/player > Such a player would work in Linux naturally. Also, in Windows, that way > I could download music from the web without installing a downloading > software/driver. And yes, I cannot install anything because I don't own > the Windows computers here. > > Does, e.g., Creative, Philips, ipod players require a downloading > software to be installed, and therefore they work only in personal > Windows? I have heard that one may copy songs to their players via > USB disk but the players refuses to play the songs! > > What about ogg format? All players sold by local shops seem to support > only mp3 and wma. > > Juhana > Anyone try the iAudio X5? If so, how do you like it? -- brad fuller sonaural: www.sonaural.com personal: www.bradfuller.com www.oreillynet.com/pub/au/2184 From groups at xscd.com Wed Oct 11 03:56:00 2006 From: groups at xscd.com (Steve D) Date: Wed Oct 11 03:57:19 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [Music] a samba Message-ID: <20061011075600.GA7362@xscd.com> A samba I'm working on-- http://www.xscd.com/pub/music/audio/ogg/stephen-doonan_samba-1.ogg For this piece, I decided to do all the recording in Rosegarden. I first recorded a scratch (to throw away later) piano part to the metronome, to get the (minimal) arrangement down to guide me, then I recorded the percussion track, then the bass track and finally the piano track, all in MIDI. Then I used Rosegarden's MIDI mixer to balance the sound levels (to where they sounded good to me anyway :-), and had Rosegarden play back the MIDI to my external hardware tone generator (A Roland FantomXR is what I used for this recording), and recorded the resultant audio through an M-Audio Delta 1010 sound card back into the computer, through jack (qjackctl) and back into an audio track in Rosegarden. Then I exported the audo track as a .wav file, quit Rosegarden, opened the file in Audacity (I love Ardour and Jamin, but I wanted to limit myself this time, and Audacity is a fine application in its own right) and normalized the audio, then exported it as an OGG Vorbis file. I guess I could have just used the command-line programs normalize and oggenc instead. Then I tagged the OGG with easytag (nice program), with the Creative Commons attribution share-alike license: http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/2.5/ It's so much fun to create music, and so much fun to use the truly great tools available in Linux now. I wish I knew some local musicians (a drummer, bass player and maybe another instrumentalist like a guitarist or sax player, to form a small trio or quartet), but I don't (I live in a very rural area with not too many musicians to begin with and no way to make a living at it), so I just play all the parts myself as best I can. Steve -- ---------------------------------------------------------------- Anarchism is founded on the observation that since few men are wise enough to rule themselves, even fewer are wise enough to rule others. -Edward Abbey ---------------------------------------------------------------- From dsbaikov at gmail.com Wed Oct 11 04:35:54 2006 From: dsbaikov at gmail.com (Dmitry Baikov) Date: Wed Oct 11 04:36:03 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Linux-friendly portable music player? In-Reply-To: <452C3203.5020909@sonaural.com> References: <452C3203.5020909@sonaural.com> Message-ID: <70a871c80610110135u3acc4b28qc09510abc065bb6f@mail.gmail.com> On 10/11/06, Brad Fuller wrote: > Juhana Sadeharju wrote: > > Hello. What would be an economical and Linux-friendly portable > > music player? IMHO: I may sound too mainstreamish and pro-drm (but I am not), but i will suggest ..... ipod. I do not know, may be it is so popular in your country, that it is a nasty taste already. But for me it has perfect design, very usable interface and greatly works with linux. It is seen as usb-disk, but you have to use gtkpod to upload songs, as it uses database to navigate through music. It may sound as a deficiency, but is a plus actually - you can select songs by a variety of rules. As for DRM-issue, AFAIK, Apple created ITMS for a sole reason of convincing music industry, that mp3 players are ok. I think they make much more money on players, than on songs. Yes, it can't record - but it's a Player and it plays good. Yes, it has no ogg support - it supports AAC which is standard and free (or I am wrong?) I'm not praising Apple, but I think that as a Player-only device ipod is nearly perfect (missing ogg and flac). Regards, Dmitry. P.S. I do not own ipod :) My girlfriend has one. From t_w_ at freenet.de Wed Oct 11 04:52:20 2006 From: t_w_ at freenet.de (Thorsten Wilms) Date: Wed Oct 11 04:55:21 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [Music] a samba In-Reply-To: <20061011075600.GA7362@xscd.com> References: <20061011075600.GA7362@xscd.com> Message-ID: <20061011085220.GA5451@charly.SWORD> On Wed, Oct 11, 2006 at 01:56:00AM -0600, Steve D wrote: > http://www.xscd.com/pub/music/audio/ogg/stephen-doonan_samba-1.ogg > Then I used Rosegarden's MIDI mixer to balance the sound levels (to > where they sounded good to me anyway :-), and had Rosegarden play back > the MIDI to my external hardware tone generator (A Roland FantomXR is > what I used for this recording), and recorded the resultant audio > through an M-Audio Delta 1010 sound card back into the computer, through > jack (qjackctl) and back into an audio track in Rosegarden. > > Then I exported the audo track as a .wav file, quit Rosegarden, opened > the file in Audacity (I love Ardour and Jamin, but I wanted to limit > myself this time, and Audacity is a fine application in its own right) > and normalized the audio, then exported it as an OGG Vorbis file. I > guess I could have just used the command-line programs normalize and > oggenc instead. Interesting. I usualy record each single track at the highest volume below clipping. Often I end up with headroom and I then normalize in sweep. Besides allowing more voices when working with Om/Ingen, this also makes for more fexibility working with it later, remixing, sharing ... > Then I tagged the OGG with easytag (nice program), with the Creative > Commons attribution share-alike license: > > http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/2.5/ Also in my toolbox. Nice to see you using my prefered license :) > It's so much fun to create music, and so much fun to use the truly great > tools available in Linux now. Yep. > I wish I knew some local musicians (a drummer, bass player and maybe > another instrumentalist like a guitarist or sax player, to form a small > trio or quartet), but I don't (I live in a very rural area with not too > many musicians to begin with and no way to make a living at it), so I > just play all the parts myself as best I can. The piano is great. The percussion is not stiff, which is good, but it lacks the drive I associate with Samba. I think it's not tight enough. The bongo(?) is a bit loud. -- Thorsten Wilms From groups at xscd.com Wed Oct 11 05:08:47 2006 From: groups at xscd.com (Steve D) Date: Wed Oct 11 05:10:00 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [Music] a samba In-Reply-To: <20061011085220.GA5451@charly.SWORD> References: <20061011075600.GA7362@xscd.com> <20061011085220.GA5451@charly.SWORD> Message-ID: <20061011090847.GC7362@xscd.com> On Wed, Oct 11, 2006 at 10:52:20AM +0200, Thorsten Wilms wrote: > On Wed, Oct 11, 2006 at 01:56:00AM -0600, Steve D wrote: > > > http://www.xscd.com/pub/music/audio/ogg/stephen-doonan_samba-1.ogg > > Interesting. I usualy record each single track at the highest volume > below clipping. Often I end up with headroom and I then normalize in > sweep. Besides allowing more voices when working with Om/Ingen, this > also makes for more fexibility working with it later, remixing, sharing > ... The piano, if not run through a compressor, can go from almost silent on a single note or two to digital distortion with a full chord with bass notes so quickly and easily that I usually am fairly conservative with the sound card volume settings. The Delta 1010 is so silent that it has not worried me much (normalizing later). :-) > > http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/2.5/ > > Also in my toolbox. Nice to see you using my prefered license :) I hope that Creative Commons licenses become very standard, widespread and well-used. > The piano is great. The percussion is not stiff, which is good, but it > lacks the drive I associate with Samba. I think it's not tight enough. > The bongo(?) is a bit loud. I was so tired by the time I recorded the piano that I actually played the piano the sloppiest. :-) The percussion is loose--like you say, probably *too* loose, but I just wanted it not to sound too mechanical, because after all, it's just my fingers playing a piano keyboard with a percussion kit making the sounds. The bongo is a little loud. I was influenced by a recording I just got of Ahmad Jamal (piano, with drummer, bass player and guitarist). The guitarist I believe played the bongos on some of the pieces and I really liked it, so of course I overdid it. :-) It's a work in progress. Thank you very much Thorsten for your comments. I'll try to whip the percussion track into shape (and be more awake for the piano part after a good night's sleep--it's 3:00 a.m. where I live in New Mexico US). -sd -- ---------------------------------------------------------------- Forget and forgive. This is not difficult when properly understood. It means forget inconvenient duties, then forgive yourself for forgetting. By rigid practice and stern determination, it comes easy. -Mark Twain ---------------------------------------------------------------- From paul at linuxaudiosystems.com Wed Oct 11 09:14:00 2006 From: paul at linuxaudiosystems.com (Paul Davis) Date: Wed Oct 11 09:51:40 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Linux-friendly portable music player? In-Reply-To: <452C3203.5020909@sonaural.com> References: <452C3203.5020909@sonaural.com> Message-ID: <1160572440.4931.59.camel@localhost.localdomain> > Anyone try the iAudio X5? If so, how do you like it? its almost perfect. the joystick thingy feels a little more fragile than i would like, but from a functional perspective, it cannot be beaten. From mathias.friman at knorca.se Wed Oct 11 09:56:27 2006 From: mathias.friman at knorca.se (Mathias Friman) Date: Wed Oct 11 09:56:37 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] VST support in Ardour2 beta. Message-ID: <9cd1656e4eeb2ab1717288aefc890a8c@knorca.se> Hi list. How do I compile VST-support into Ardour2 beta? VST=yes, but after that? Where should i put the VST SDK 2.3 directory? Or have i got it totally backwards and the only way to do it is as according to the doc at http://joebutton.co.uk/fst ? If so, I don't succeed at all. I've searched on the Ardour site and the web, but I cannot find anything useful. I'm probably just stupid, but hey, I was born this way. :) Help? Regards Mathias From petter.sundlof at findus.dhs.org Wed Oct 11 10:00:19 2006 From: petter.sundlof at findus.dhs.org (=?ISO-8859-15?Q?Petter_Sundl=F6f?=) Date: Wed Oct 11 10:00:22 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Linux-friendly portable music player? In-Reply-To: <1160572440.4931.59.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <452C3203.5020909@sonaural.com> <1160572440.4931.59.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <452CF8F3.2010002@findus.dhs.org> Another recommendation for the X5. I use the remote control accessory, which has quite customizable controls (I switch shuffle on and off a lot). An added benefit of the X5 is that it has RockBox, an alternative free software firmware that supports more audio formats as well as recording to WAV (not just MP3). Paul Davis wrote: >> Anyone try the iAudio X5? If so, how do you like it? > > its almost perfect. the joystick thingy feels a little more fragile than > i would like, but from a functional perspective, it cannot be beaten. > From brad at sonaural.com Wed Oct 11 10:02:46 2006 From: brad at sonaural.com (Brad Fuller) Date: Wed Oct 11 10:03:17 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Linux-friendly portable music player? In-Reply-To: <1160572440.4931.59.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <452C3203.5020909@sonaural.com> <1160572440.4931.59.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <452CF986.1060006@sonaural.com> Paul Davis wrote: >> Anyone try the iAudio X5? If so, how do you like it? > > its almost perfect. the joystick thingy feels a little more fragile than > i would like, but from a functional perspective, it cannot be beaten. Thanks Paul. From what I've read (reviews) the interface is klunkly. But, I couldn't find a recent review -- they were all over a year old. They must've fixed the UI flaws. brad From paul at linuxaudiosystems.com Wed Oct 11 10:08:41 2006 From: paul at linuxaudiosystems.com (Paul Davis) Date: Wed Oct 11 10:10:51 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Linux-friendly portable music player? In-Reply-To: <452CF986.1060006@sonaural.com> References: <452C3203.5020909@sonaural.com> <1160572440.4931.59.camel@localhost.localdomain> <452CF986.1060006@sonaural.com> Message-ID: <1160575721.4931.61.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Wed, 2006-10-11 at 07:02 -0700, Brad Fuller wrote: > Paul Davis wrote: > >> Anyone try the iAudio X5? If so, how do you like it? > > > > its almost perfect. the joystick thingy feels a little more fragile than > > i would like, but from a functional perspective, it cannot be beaten. > Thanks Paul. From what I've read (reviews) the interface is klunkly. > But, I couldn't find a recent review -- they were all over a year old. > They must've fixed the UI flaws. don't assume that. as anyone who has used ardour knows, i am very tolerant of clunky interfaces. From mr at ramendik.ru Wed Oct 11 10:13:51 2006 From: mr at ramendik.ru (Mikhail Ramendik) Date: Wed Oct 11 10:14:06 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] audacity: from one chanel to another Message-ID: <200610111813.51181.mr@ramendik.ru> Hello, I have a stereo track where, for a certain time period,. the right channel is broken. I want to copy the left channel into the right channel for that time. But I could not find a way to so so in Audacity. How do I do this? -- Yours, Mikhail Ramendik From peder at musikhuset.org Wed Oct 11 11:41:26 2006 From: peder at musikhuset.org (Peder Hedlund) Date: Wed Oct 11 11:41:58 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] VST support in Ardour2 beta. In-Reply-To: <9cd1656e4eeb2ab1717288aefc890a8c@knorca.se> References: <9cd1656e4eeb2ab1717288aefc890a8c@knorca.se> Message-ID: > How do I compile VST-support into Ardour2 beta? > VST=yes, but after that? > Where should i put the VST SDK 2.3 directory? Make sure you have wine installed. (I tried with the latest). You have to copy the vstsdk2.3/source/common/*.h to /usr/include/vst (I think this is a bug. You shouldn't have to be root to install ardour) Put the vstsdk2.3 directory in the lib dir of the ardour source tree, IIRC. (scons will complain and tell you where it expects it if that's the wrong place) Run 'scons VST=yes' (and other options if needed) and 'scons install' assuming the compile succeeds. Put some VST-dll's , like these : http://www.kjaerhusaudio.com/classic-series.php, in a "vst" directory in your home dir and make a symbolic link to that from /usr/local/lib (I think there's a varaiable you can use to point to your directory as well) Start ardour, display the mixer, right-click on the effect box, select "New plugin" and you should see a VST tab as well as the LADSPA tab. - Peder From timg at expressmart.com Wed Oct 11 12:40:20 2006 From: timg at expressmart.com (Timothy Alan Gorman) Date: Wed Oct 11 12:42:42 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] VST support in Ardour2 beta. In-Reply-To: <9cd1656e4eeb2ab1717288aefc890a8c@knorca.se> References: <9cd1656e4eeb2ab1717288aefc890a8c@knorca.se> Message-ID: <452D1E74.7090806@expressmart.com> Interested in the same thing..... thanks... tag Mathias Friman wrote: > Hi list. > > How do I compile VST-support into Ardour2 beta? > VST=yes, but after that? > > Where should i put the VST SDK 2.3 directory? Or have i got it totally > backwards and the only way to do it is as according to the doc at > http://joebutton.co.uk/fst ? If so, I don't succeed at all. > > I've searched on the Ardour site and the web, but I cannot find anything useful. I'm > probably just stupid, but hey, I was born this way. :) > > Help? > > Regards > Mathias > -- ExpressMart.com
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From mathias.friman at knorca.se Wed Oct 11 13:21:00 2006 From: mathias.friman at knorca.se (Mathias Friman) Date: Wed Oct 11 13:30:01 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] VST support in Ardour2 beta. Message-ID: <06b3718f00fd489c3c44c97b5072051a@knorca.se> I had to have the wine-development files installed as well, and the vstsdk2.3-directory had to be in /libs/fst, other than that it worked. However, I have an error message when I start ardourvst, which is: Gtk-Message: /usr/local/etc/ardour2/ardour2_ui.rc:83: failed to retrieve property `GtkWidget::cursor-color' of type `GdkColor' from rc file value "((GString*) 0x77d1df40)" of type `GString' But apart from that, everything seems to work just fine. :) Tack s? mycket! ----Original Message----- From: Peder Hedlund peder@musikhuset.org Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2006 17:42:43 +0200 To: A list for linux audio users linux-audio-user@music.columbia.edu Subject: Re: [linux-audio-user] VST support in Ardour2 beta. > How do I compile VST-support into Ardour2 beta? > VST=yes, but after that? > Where should i put the VST SDK 2.3 directory? Make sure you have wine installed. (I tried with the latest). You have to copy the vstsdk2.3/source/common/*.h to /usr/include/vst (I think this is a bug. You shouldn't have to be root to install ardour) Put the vstsdk2.3 directory in the lib dir of the ardour source tree, IIRC. (scons will complain and tell you where it expects it if that's the wrong place) Run 'scons VST=yes' (and other options if needed) and 'scons install' assuming the compile succeeds. Put some VST-dll's , like these : http://www.kjaerhusaudio.com/classic-series.php, in a "vst" directory in your home dir and make a symbolic link to that from /usr/local/lib (I think there's a varaiable you can use to point to your directory as well) Start ardour, display the mixer, right-click on the effect box, select "New plugin" and you should see a VST tab as well as the LADSPA tab. - Peder From paul at linuxaudiosystems.com Wed Oct 11 13:31:26 2006 From: paul at linuxaudiosystems.com (Paul Davis) Date: Wed Oct 11 13:38:09 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] VST support in Ardour2 beta. In-Reply-To: References: <9cd1656e4eeb2ab1717288aefc890a8c@knorca.se> Message-ID: <1160587887.4931.70.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Wed, 2006-10-11 at 17:41 +0200, Peder Hedlund wrote: > > How do I compile VST-support into Ardour2 beta? > > VST=yes, but after that? > > Where should i put the VST SDK 2.3 directory? > > Make sure you have wine installed. (I tried with the latest). > > You have to copy the vstsdk2.3/source/common/*.h to /usr/include/vst > (I think this is a bug. You shouldn't have to be root to install ardour) unnecessary too. unpack the VST 2.3 SDK into libs/fst then mkdir libs/fst/vst then copy the contents of libs/fst/vstsdk2.3/source/common/*.h to libs/fst/vst done. > like these : http://www.kjaerhusaudio.com/classic-series.php, > in a "vst" directory in your home dir and make a symbolic link to that > from /usr/local/lib (I think there's a varaiable you can use to point to > your directory as well) ardour uses the VST_PLUGINS environment variable, same name as used on win32 and OSX, to define a search path for plugins. VST_PATH is also supported. From johnmulholland at fastmail.fm Wed Oct 11 19:40:14 2006 From: johnmulholland at fastmail.fm (John Mulholland) Date: Wed Oct 11 13:40:46 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Conexant laptop sound woes Message-ID: <452D80DE.7020709@fastmail.fm> Hello again all, It has been too long, since I last posted. I hope all is happy and well, and hopefull I'll get to see many of you again at FAVE this year. Anyway, I do have some LAU business, and I really hope someone can help me here because I am at a total loss. A few months ago I bought a laptop for the wife. It is a Packard Bell Easynote A8550 (1). They are selling these fairly cheaply at the moment and it looked ideal. Unfortunately getting it to make a sound in Linux has caused me no end of headaches. It appears that the problem relates to the Conexant chipset(2). From what I can gather Conexant have not released the data sheet to the ALSA crowd. And so, I suffer in silence. I am not too sure about though, as I am not a massively technical person. This really frustrates me because it seems that all the other PB machines have working sound!! Does anyone know if Conexant regularly do this sort of thing? and how often do they release data sheets? I fear that I may be waiting in vain.FWIW this is all in Edgy Eft. All help, comments and advice much appreciated! Cheers John From ico at vt.edu Wed Oct 11 13:47:50 2006 From: ico at vt.edu (Ivica Ico Bukvic) Date: Wed Oct 11 13:47:58 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Status of JACK midi sync? Message-ID: <000301c6ed5d$5fb3d400$95c652c6@64BitBadass> Hi all, Any news on this one? IIRC, there was some talk that such a feature would be sponsored by Google's summer of code, but am not sure if this was the case or if anything ever became of it? Best wishes, Ico From lars.luthman at gmail.com Wed Oct 11 15:02:22 2006 From: lars.luthman at gmail.com (Lars Luthman) Date: Wed Oct 11 15:02:52 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Status of JACK midi sync? In-Reply-To: <000301c6ed5d$5fb3d400$95c652c6@64BitBadass> References: <000301c6ed5d$5fb3d400$95c652c6@64BitBadass> Message-ID: <1160593342.13481.0.camel@c213-100-20-9.swipnet.se> On Wed, 2006-10-11 at 13:47 -0400, Ivica Ico Bukvic wrote: > Hi all, > > Any news on this one? IIRC, there was some talk that such a feature would be > sponsored by Google's summer of code, but am not sure if this was the case > or if anything ever became of it? JACK MIDI is in JACK 0.102.20. -- Lars Luthman - please encrypt any email sent to me if possible PGP key: http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x04C77E2E Fingerprint: FCA7 C790 19B9 322D EB7A E1B3 4371 4650 04C7 7E2E -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part Url : http://music.columbia.edu/pipermail/linux-audio-user/attachments/20061011/6ca85ab0/attachment.bin From folderol at ukfsn.org Wed Oct 11 15:33:56 2006 From: folderol at ukfsn.org (Folderol) Date: Wed Oct 11 15:32:19 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Needs Drums (still) In-Reply-To: <20061008225916.GD9694@fitz.Belkin> References: <20061006233113.42d9759c@localhost> <20061007084910.GA5388@charly.SWORD> <20061007201742.04278a80@localhost> <20061008010306.2fc9217c@localhost> <20061008044549.GB9694@fitz.Belkin> <20061008211922.6d0dcf40@localhost> <20061008225916.GD9694@fitz.Belkin> Message-ID: <20061011203356.758e4846@localhost> On Sun, 8 Oct 2006 23:59:16 +0100 james@dis-dot-dat.net wrote: > I don't think it's a bad thing that one part sounds like riders. > Maybe that's why everyone wants you to grunge it up a little and go > all Doorsy. > > I really like the tune, by the way. > > James Thanks :) Well I now think I've gone as far as I can with it. There is some balancing of levels, a slight delay in the organ LFO so the staccato notes have more bite, and a bit more dynamic expression in the 'brass' section. So it now proudly appears on my updates page! -- Will J G http://www.musically.me.uk From gkjoyce at gmail.com Wed Oct 11 15:47:54 2006 From: gkjoyce at gmail.com (greg) Date: Wed Oct 11 15:48:06 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] ot-ish : trackballs Message-ID: <452D4A6A.90002@gmail.com> Just wondering if anybody has any experience using trackballs. I have the impression that it would be more ergonomic and might offer better precision/control for selections, etc. It looks like Kensington($$$) and logitech are the only companies making them now. From ernst at pulsewidth.ca Wed Oct 11 15:53:18 2006 From: ernst at pulsewidth.ca (Ernie Dulanowsky) Date: Wed Oct 11 15:53:46 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] ot-ish : trackballs In-Reply-To: <452D4A6A.90002@gmail.com> References: <452D4A6A.90002@gmail.com> Message-ID: <321dfa6a0610111253x45d4983ai44d50537fac2d255@mail.gmail.com> I 've been using a Logitech TrackMan Marble for years now and love it. cheers, ernie On 10/11/06, greg wrote: > Just wondering if anybody has any experience using trackballs. I have > the impression that it would be more ergonomic and might offer better > precision/control for selections, etc. It looks like Kensington($$$) and > logitech are the only companies making them now. > -- "Both Rob and I see sound as shapes. I only have to do this (makes a fist) and he knows what sound I mean". - Autechre ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: Ernie Dulanowsky CCNA CWLSS www.pulsewidth.ca >> test_tones on www.cjtr.ca << From t_w_ at freenet.de Wed Oct 11 16:02:45 2006 From: t_w_ at freenet.de (Thorsten Wilms) Date: Wed Oct 11 16:05:41 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Needs Drums (still) In-Reply-To: <20061011203356.758e4846@localhost> References: <20061006233113.42d9759c@localhost> <20061007084910.GA5388@charly.SWORD> <20061007201742.04278a80@localhost> <20061008010306.2fc9217c@localhost> <20061008044549.GB9694@fitz.Belkin> <20061008211922.6d0dcf40@localhost> <20061008225916.GD9694@fitz.Belkin> <20061011203356.758e4846@localhost> Message-ID: <20061011200245.GA3919@charly.SWORD> On Wed, Oct 11, 2006 at 08:33:56PM +0100, Folderol wrote: > > Well I now think I've gone as far as I can with it. There is some > balancing of levels, a slight delay in the organ LFO so the staccato > notes have more bite, and a bit more dynamic expression in the 'brass' > section. > > So it now proudly appears on my updates page! The organ has come to life, the pad is big :) Now I would like to have a go at adding drums and perhaps working on the bass a bit (bass drum / bass interaction), if you don't mind :) Don't know yet, I would experiment between big beat and house, but I'm open to your suggestions, of course. Like last time, I would need a MIDI export and the Zyn patches. -- Thorsten Wilms From dsbaikov at gmail.com Wed Oct 11 16:08:51 2006 From: dsbaikov at gmail.com (Dmitry Baikov) Date: Wed Oct 11 16:10:10 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] ot-ish : trackballs In-Reply-To: <321dfa6a0610111253x45d4983ai44d50537fac2d255@mail.gmail.com> References: <452D4A6A.90002@gmail.com> <321dfa6a0610111253x45d4983ai44d50537fac2d255@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <70a871c80610111308x5b0608d6t421ddc9e722a0dd@mail.gmail.com> > On 10/11/06, greg wrote: > > Just wondering if anybody has any experience using trackballs. I have > > the impression that it would be more ergonomic and might offer better > > precision/control for selections, etc. It looks like Kensington($$$) and > > logitech are the only companies making them now. I use Logitech Marble Mouse and think it is great. Though, it has some physical subleties: it's hard to move cursor a few pixels - the initial force to move the ball from static position is greater than force needed to continue motion. Physics in its glory. Don't know how it is in more expensive trackballs. It is forgivable for a $20 trackball. From gnome at hawaii.rr.com Wed Oct 11 16:14:41 2006 From: gnome at hawaii.rr.com (david) Date: Wed Oct 11 16:15:07 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] ot-ish : trackballs In-Reply-To: <321dfa6a0610111253x45d4983ai44d50537fac2d255@mail.gmail.com> References: <452D4A6A.90002@gmail.com> <321dfa6a0610111253x45d4983ai44d50537fac2d255@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <452D50B1.7090009@hawaii.rr.com> I have a very old Logitech TrackMan Marble, it was used before I got it, and it's still working fine. Only problem with it is you use your thumb a lot. I find it less precise than I'd like in some apps, particularly graphics ones. I prefer the Wacom graphics tablets. Ernie Dulanowsky wrote: > I 've been using a Logitech TrackMan Marble for years now and love it. > > cheers, > ernie > > On 10/11/06, greg wrote: >> Just wondering if anybody has any experience using trackballs. I have >> the impression that it would be more ergonomic and might offer better >> precision/control for selections, etc. It looks like Kensington($$$) and >> logitech are the only companies making them now. -- David gnome@hawaii.rr.com authenticity, honesty, community From nico at tekNico.net Wed Oct 11 16:12:04 2006 From: nico at tekNico.net (Nicola Larosa) Date: Wed Oct 11 16:16:27 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: ot-ish : trackballs In-Reply-To: <321dfa6a0610111253x45d4983ai44d50537fac2d255@mail.gmail.com> References: <452D4A6A.90002@gmail.com> <321dfa6a0610111253x45d4983ai44d50537fac2d255@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: > greg wrote: >> Just wondering if anybody has any experience using trackballs. I have >> the impression that it would be more ergonomic and might offer better >> precision/control for selections, etc. It looks like Kensington($$$) and >> logitech are the only companies making them now. Ernie Dulanowsky wrote: > I 've been using a Logitech TrackMan Marble for years now and love it. Yes, the old good TrackMan Marble FX, the wired one, asymmetrical, with the big red ball. I have two of them, used those for years (and a smaller one for the family computer). Not using them anymore, the notebook trackpad is more practical, but still less precise. But they want in the wings for their comeback, this I know. :-) Trackballs, trackpads, trackpoints, whatever, but drop the standard mice! -- Nicola Larosa - http://www.tekNico.net/ One more poor soul lost to PHP is one too many... -- Todd O'Bryan, May 2006 From jouni.rinne at luukku.com Wed Oct 11 18:05:39 2006 From: jouni.rinne at luukku.com (Jouni Rinne) Date: Wed Oct 11 18:06:00 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] ot-ish : trackballs In-Reply-To: <452D4A6A.90002@gmail.com> References: <452D4A6A.90002@gmail.com> Message-ID: <452D6AB3.1030509@luukku.com> greg kirjoitti: > Just wondering if anybody has any experience using trackballs. I have > the impression that it would be more ergonomic and might offer better > precision/control for selections, etc. It looks like Kensington($$$) and > logitech are the only companies making them now. I have two: a Logitech Marble Mouse on my main computer and a Logitech TrackMan Wheel on my second computer. The latter is good for office work, browsing etc. because of the scrollwheel, but the ball is a bit harder to use because you can't really use but your thumb. The Marble Mouse is wonderful: I'll never, ever want to use an ordinary mouse after the experience with it... It's very good for almost anything, and the best gaming mouse I've ever tried: I just *can't* play Q3A, UT etc. without it! JR -- | me@home ~$whoami ^ ^ | "Trust me, I know what I'm doing!" | | Jouni 'Mad Max' Rinne ('x') | - Sledge Hammer | | me@home ~$man woman C " " | -------[ph34r t3h p3Ngu1n]-------- | | Segmentation fault (core dumped) | l33tmmx at sci dot fi | From ico at vt.edu Wed Oct 11 20:21:55 2006 From: ico at vt.edu (Ivica Ico Bukvic) Date: Wed Oct 11 20:22:04 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Status of JACK midi sync? In-Reply-To: <1160593342.13481.0.camel@c213-100-20-9.swipnet.se> Message-ID: <001e01c6ed94$6c919220$95c652c6@64BitBadass> > JACK MIDI is in JACK 0.102.20. Cool! Now the next logical set of questions is: 1) How stable/reliable is it? 2) Are there any apps that support it? 3) Does such support require a major rewrite? Many thanks! Best wishes, Ico From lars.luthman at gmail.com Wed Oct 11 20:41:48 2006 From: lars.luthman at gmail.com (Lars Luthman) Date: Wed Oct 11 20:42:02 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Status of JACK midi sync? In-Reply-To: <001e01c6ed94$6c919220$95c652c6@64BitBadass> References: <001e01c6ed94$6c919220$95c652c6@64BitBadass> Message-ID: <1160613708.11532.14.camel@c213-100-20-9.swipnet.se> On Wed, 2006-10-11 at 20:21 -0400, Ivica Ico Bukvic wrote: > > JACK MIDI is in JACK 0.102.20. > > Cool! Now the next logical set of questions is: > > 1) How stable/reliable is it? Pretty reliable. I haven't made it crash since 0.102.5. > 2) Are there any apps that support it? The only ones I know of that support it officially in released versions (please reply if you know of more) are Ghostess (Sean Bolton's DSSI host) and Dino (my sequencer). There is a patch for Zyn and the SVN versions of Ingen (Om) and Specimen supports it. Connecting JACK MIDI ports works fine in Patchage and QJackCtl, although they appear in the "Audio" tab in QJackCtl. Dave Robillard also worked on MIDI in Ardour during the summer, so I suppose there is some kind of support there too. > 3) Does such support require a major rewrite? Depends on the software. If you are doing a lot of MIDI processing in another thread it may take some hacking, but if you just read ALSA MIDI events in another thread and pass them to the JACK thread using a ringbuffer or something similar it's easy - just get rid of the extra thread and the ringbuffer. I wrote the patches for Specimen and ZynAddSubFX, and for Specimen (which pretty much does that) it was really easy, while it was a bit trickier for Zyn (which does a lot of MIDI processing outside the audio thread). -- Lars Luthman - please encrypt any email sent to me if possible PGP key: http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x04C77E2E Fingerprint: FCA7 C790 19B9 322D EB7A E1B3 4371 4650 04C7 7E2E -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part Url : http://music.columbia.edu/pipermail/linux-audio-user/attachments/20061012/a8a23d6c/attachment-0001.bin From ico at vt.edu Wed Oct 11 21:56:49 2006 From: ico at vt.edu (Ivica Ico Bukvic) Date: Wed Oct 11 21:57:05 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Status of JACK midi sync? In-Reply-To: <1160613708.11532.14.camel@c213-100-20-9.swipnet.se> Message-ID: <002601c6eda1$ae93fed0$95c652c6@64BitBadass> That is great news! It would be nice, however, if JACK devs would also post such important announcements to the consortium list for a proper news blurb to be included on that site as well, especially given that JACK is a member project of the consortium... Best wishes, Ico > -----Original Message----- > From: linux-audio-user-bounces@music.columbia.edu [mailto:linux-audio- > user-bounces@music.columbia.edu] On Behalf Of Lars Luthman > Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2006 8:42 PM > To: linux-audio-user@music.columbia.edu > Subject: RE: [linux-audio-user] Status of JACK midi sync? > > On Wed, 2006-10-11 at 20:21 -0400, Ivica Ico Bukvic wrote: > > > JACK MIDI is in JACK 0.102.20. > > > > Cool! Now the next logical set of questions is: > > > > 1) How stable/reliable is it? > > Pretty reliable. I haven't made it crash since 0.102.5. > > > 2) Are there any apps that support it? > > The only ones I know of that support it officially in released versions > (please reply if you know of more) are Ghostess (Sean Bolton's DSSI > host) and Dino (my sequencer). There is a patch for Zyn and the SVN > versions of Ingen (Om) and Specimen supports it. Connecting JACK MIDI > ports works fine in Patchage and QJackCtl, although they appear in the > "Audio" tab in QJackCtl. Dave Robillard also worked on MIDI in Ardour > during the summer, so I suppose there is some kind of support there too. > > > 3) Does such support require a major rewrite? > > Depends on the software. If you are doing a lot of MIDI processing in > another thread it may take some hacking, but if you just read ALSA MIDI > events in another thread and pass them to the JACK thread using a > ringbuffer or something similar it's easy - just get rid of the extra > thread and the ringbuffer. I wrote the patches for Specimen and > ZynAddSubFX, and for Specimen (which pretty much does that) it was > really easy, while it was a bit trickier for Zyn (which does a lot of > MIDI processing outside the audio thread). > > -- > Lars Luthman - please encrypt any email sent to me if possible > PGP key: http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x04C77E2E > Fingerprint: FCA7 C790 19B9 322D EB7A E1B3 4371 4650 04C7 7E2E From loki.davison at gmail.com Thu Oct 12 00:04:10 2006 From: loki.davison at gmail.com (Loki Davison) Date: Thu Oct 12 00:04:48 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] ot-ish : trackballs In-Reply-To: <452D6AB3.1030509@luukku.com> References: <452D4A6A.90002@gmail.com> <452D6AB3.1030509@luukku.com> Message-ID: On 10/12/06, Jouni Rinne wrote: > greg kirjoitti: > > Just wondering if anybody has any experience using trackballs. I have > > the impression that it would be more ergonomic and might offer better > > precision/control for selections, etc. It looks like Kensington($$$) and > > logitech are the only companies making them now. > > I have two: a Logitech Marble Mouse on my main computer and a Logitech TrackMan > Wheel on my second computer. The latter is good for office work, browsing etc. > because of the scrollwheel, but the ball is a bit harder to use because you > can't really use but your thumb. The Marble Mouse is wonderful: I'll never, ever > want to use an ordinary mouse after the experience with it... It's very good for > almost anything, and the best gaming mouse I've ever tried: I just *can't* play > Q3A, UT etc. without it! > > JR > > -- > | me@home ~$whoami ^ ^ | "Trust me, I know what I'm doing!" | > | Jouni 'Mad Max' Rinne ('x') | - Sledge Hammer | > | me@home ~$man woman C " " | -------[ph34r t3h p3Ngu1n]-------- | > | Segmentation fault (core dumped) | l33tmmx at sci dot fi | > I just recently got a new Marble mouse, the one with the ball in the middle and buttons either side, quite cheap and lovely! Much more ergonomic than a mouse and great for everything. Still got bad RSI though... The ball being a scroll wheel on clicking 4th button thing is pretty awesome too, and quite easy to set up with minor xorg effort. Loki p.s I am without internet except at the library and going insane! From nico at tekNico.net Thu Oct 12 01:43:25 2006 From: nico at tekNico.net (Nicola Larosa) Date: Thu Oct 12 01:43:59 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: ot-ish : trackballs In-Reply-To: References: <452D4A6A.90002@gmail.com> <321dfa6a0610111253x45d4983ai44d50537fac2d255@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Nicola Larosa wrote: > Trackballs, trackpads, trackpoints, whatever, but drop the standard mice! Oh, I forgot something important: discard the trackballs with small balls, to be operated with the thumb: they're an RSI disaster waiting to happen. You want balls that are operated with the other fingers or the palm, the thumb only has to click. The bigger the ball, the better. -- Nicola Larosa - http://www.tekNico.net/ One more poor soul lost to PHP is one too many... -- Todd O'Bryan, May 2006 From mathias.friman at knorca.se Thu Oct 12 02:07:28 2006 From: mathias.friman at knorca.se (Mathias Friman) Date: Thu Oct 12 02:01:43 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] audacity: from one chanel to another In-Reply-To: <200610111813.51181.mr@ramendik.ru> References: <200610111813.51181.mr@ramendik.ru> Message-ID: <1160633248.2044.2.camel@knc-se-lap0001.knorca.se> On Wed, 2006-10-11 at 18:13 +0400, Mikhail Ramendik wrote: > Hello, > > I have a stereo track where, for a certain time period,. the right channel is > broken. I want to copy the left channel into the right channel for that time. > But I could not find a way to so so in Audacity. How do I do this? > I noone can help you on this list try the audacity-users mailinglist: https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/audacity-users or the audacity forum: http://audacityteam.org/forum/ cheers, Mathias From yonatan_avraham at hotmail.com Thu Oct 12 03:11:11 2006 From: yonatan_avraham at hotmail.com (yonatan) Date: Thu Oct 12 03:11:26 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Linux compatibile controller keyboard? Message-ID: <6771114.post@talk.nabble.com> Hello, Can anyone offer experiences on using either of these controllers with Linux? E-Mu XBoard25 (or XBoard49) Edirol PCR-M30 (or PCR-M50) This page only mentions the XBoard (although it mentions the older Edirol without the M): http://www.qbik.ch/usb/devices/search_res.php?pattern=midi+keyboard This page mentions both of the above makes as working: http://ubuntustudio.com/wiki/index.php/Audio_Hardware#Edirol_PCR-M50_USB_keyboard_controller Other than the above, searching the list turned up some questions about the XBoard, and I couldn't find anything about the Edirol. It looks like they will both work, but any more information would be helpful. Thanks, Yonatan -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/Linux-compatibile-controller-keyboard--tf2428499.html#a6771114 Sent from the linux-audio-user mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From arnold.krille at gmail.com Thu Oct 12 05:08:08 2006 From: arnold.krille at gmail.com (Arnold Krille) Date: Thu Oct 12 05:08:23 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] ot-ish : trackballs In-Reply-To: <452D4A6A.90002@gmail.com> References: <452D4A6A.90002@gmail.com> Message-ID: <2def88b80610120208m42d365c3j7378cc89d2aeba90@mail.gmail.com> 2006/10/11, greg : > Just wondering if anybody has any experience using trackballs. I have > the impression that it would be more ergonomic and might offer better > precision/control for selections, etc. It looks like Kensington($$$) and > logitech are the only companies making them now. I do have a logitech trackball, one with the ball under the thumb. I love it! And to get back on topic for audio: Its really nice if you have to usethe computer live, there is not much space needed for the mouse driving around and it want slip from the rack as likely as a mouse. Most times I just put the trackball on a lesser used section of the mixer and be happy. Oh, and forget the touchpads in laptops, they might be okay if you have your laptop on your knees but I find them impractical for any serious work... Arnold -- visit http://www.arnoldarts.de/ --- Wenn man mit Raubkopien Bands wie Brosis oder Britney Spears wirklich verhindern k?nnte, w?rde ich mir noch heute einen Stapel Brenner und einen Sack Rohlinge kaufen. From dsbaikov at gmail.com Thu Oct 12 07:19:30 2006 From: dsbaikov at gmail.com (Dmitry Baikov) Date: Thu Oct 12 07:19:43 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] ot-ish : trackballs In-Reply-To: References: <452D4A6A.90002@gmail.com> <452D6AB3.1030509@luukku.com> Message-ID: <70a871c80610120419o7cf62f92xe28de159bb5b6c0d@mail.gmail.com> On 10/12/06, Loki Davison wrote: > though... The ball being a scroll wheel on clicking 4th button thing > is pretty awesome too, and quite easy to set up with minor xorg > effort. Can you, please, post xorg options? Thanks. Dmitry. From dsbaikov at gmail.com Thu Oct 12 07:20:21 2006 From: dsbaikov at gmail.com (Dmitry Baikov) Date: Thu Oct 12 07:21:07 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Status of JACK midi sync? In-Reply-To: <002601c6eda1$ae93fed0$95c652c6@64BitBadass> References: <1160613708.11532.14.camel@c213-100-20-9.swipnet.se> <002601c6eda1$ae93fed0$95c652c6@64BitBadass> Message-ID: <70a871c80610120420j58d902ey9830cd4043c9c484@mail.gmail.com> On 10/12/06, Ivica Ico Bukvic wrote: > > > > JACK MIDI is in JACK 0.102.20. Does this mean that API is freezed? Dmitry. From lars.luthman at gmail.com Thu Oct 12 07:27:02 2006 From: lars.luthman at gmail.com (Lars Luthman) Date: Thu Oct 12 07:27:16 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Status of JACK midi sync? In-Reply-To: <70a871c80610120420j58d902ey9830cd4043c9c484@mail.gmail.com> References: <1160613708.11532.14.camel@c213-100-20-9.swipnet.se> <002601c6eda1$ae93fed0$95c652c6@64BitBadass> <70a871c80610120420j58d902ey9830cd4043c9c484@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1160652422.11585.0.camel@c213-100-20-9.swipnet.se> On Thu, 2006-10-12 at 15:20 +0400, Dmitry Baikov wrote: > On 10/12/06, Ivica Ico Bukvic wrote: > > > > > JACK MIDI is in JACK 0.102.20. > > Does this mean that API is freezed? The ChangeLog says "JACK MIDI patch -- Experimental!", so I think not. -- Lars Luthman - please encrypt any email sent to me if possible PGP key: http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x04C77E2E Fingerprint: FCA7 C790 19B9 322D EB7A E1B3 4371 4650 04C7 7E2E -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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From t_w_ at freenet.de Thu Oct 12 07:48:48 2006 From: t_w_ at freenet.de (Thorsten Wilms) Date: Thu Oct 12 07:50:24 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Music: There's A Girl revised Message-ID: <20061012114848.GA5416@charly.SWORD> Hi! So following all the feedback, there's now a 2nd version, with a slightly more present lead in the intro and vocals right afterwards, but not running all through. I might delete the earlier version, if this is clearly found better. http://www.archive.org/details/theres_a_girl -- Thorsten Wilms From pcoccoli at gmail.com Thu Oct 12 08:09:43 2006 From: pcoccoli at gmail.com (Paul Coccoli) Date: Thu Oct 12 08:09:53 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] ot-ish : trackballs In-Reply-To: <2def88b80610120208m42d365c3j7378cc89d2aeba90@mail.gmail.com> References: <452D4A6A.90002@gmail.com> <2def88b80610120208m42d365c3j7378cc89d2aeba90@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <8d27a0610610120509h4287e8cbj54181c2d5c421ae3@mail.gmail.com> On 10/12/06, Arnold Krille wrote: > 2006/10/11, greg : > > Just wondering if anybody has any experience using trackballs. I have > > the impression that it would be more ergonomic and might offer better > > precision/control for selections, etc. It looks like Kensington($$$) and > > logitech are the only companies making them now. > > I do have a logitech trackball, one with the ball under the thumb. I love it! > > And to get back on topic for audio: Its really nice if you have to > usethe computer live, there is not much space needed for the mouse > driving around and it want slip from the rack as likely as a mouse. > Most times I just put the trackball on a lesser used section of the > mixer and be happy. > > Oh, and forget the touchpads in laptops, they might be okay if you > have your laptop on your knees but I find them impractical for any > serious work... > > Arnold > -- > visit http://www.arnoldarts.de/ > --- > Wenn man mit Raubkopien Bands wie Brosis oder Britney Spears wirklich > verhindern k?nnte, w?rde ich mir noch heute einen Stapel Brenner und > einen Sack Rohlinge kaufen. > I don't have trackball, because if I did I would play Centipede, Millipede, and Missile Command all day long. From rlrevell at joe-job.com Thu Oct 12 10:54:41 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Thu Oct 12 10:53:54 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: ot-ish : trackballs In-Reply-To: References: <452D4A6A.90002@gmail.com> <321dfa6a0610111253x45d4983ai44d50537fac2d255@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1160664882.24931.24.camel@mindpipe> On Thu, 2006-10-12 at 07:43 +0200, Nicola Larosa wrote: > Nicola Larosa wrote: > > Trackballs, trackpads, trackpoints, whatever, but drop the standard mice! > > Oh, I forgot something important: discard the trackballs with small balls, > to be operated with the thumb: they're an RSI disaster waiting to happen. > > You want balls that are operated with the other fingers or the palm, the > thumb only has to click. The bigger the ball, the better. > > You mean like the Microsoft Trackball Optical? Great, this is exactly what I've been using for years. It does seem a bit weird to make the thumb do all the work, but so far mine doesn't hurt... Lee From dominic.sacre at gmx.de Thu Oct 12 11:05:04 2006 From: dominic.sacre at gmx.de (Dominic =?iso-8859-1?q?Sacr=E9?=) Date: Thu Oct 12 11:06:16 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Display audio input as waveform Message-ID: <200610121705.05030.dominic.sacre@gmx.de> Hi, I'm looking for a program that lets me watch the audio signal from one or more jack inputs as a waveform. I don't need it to record anything, just to monitor the input in realtime (i.e. continuously scrolling). I'd appreciate any suggestions. Dominic From pshirkey at boosthardware.com Thu Oct 12 12:04:33 2006 From: pshirkey at boosthardware.com (Patrick Shirkey) Date: Thu Oct 12 12:05:02 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] COMPETITION: Most Loaded Desktop Screenshot In-Reply-To: <20060929134618.GA19239@mccormick.cx> References: <451B08CD.4060708@boosthardware.com> <200609280714.01817.lanas@securenet.net> <451BF029.1010508@gmx.ch> <200609290707.07427.lanas@securenet.net> <20060929134618.GA19239@mccormick.cx> Message-ID: <452E6791.6080202@boosthardware.com> Hi all, This is a quick reminder that the competition is about to be wrapped up for this year. So far I have received 8 screenshots. I will give until the end of the weekend for any others to be included in round 1. ************************************************************************** Rules and Regulations ************************************************************************** I would like to add a screenshot of a Linux Desktop running as many sound applications as possible. This is a little competition to see who can come up with the most heavily loaded and well laid out (cluttered might be a better word) desktop. - The one deemed the most attractive will be given a very prominent location on the LAU Guide. - I will also make a page of all the entries which will become the next Quicktoot. - There is no size restriction and video/animation/flash will also be accepted. - Either post the url or send the entries directly to me. **************************************************************************** *Hint. So far no one has provided more than two screens full of applications. If you can do that you will be highly likely to get first place.... Cheers. -- Patrick Shirkey - Boost Hardware Ltd. Http://www.boosthardware.com Http://lau.linuxaudio.org - The Linux Audio Users guide ======================================== "Anything your mind can see you can manifest physically, then it will become reality" - Macka B From yves at jazzcomputer.org Thu Oct 12 12:35:15 2006 From: yves at jazzcomputer.org (Yves Potin) Date: Thu Oct 12 12:35:23 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Display audio input as waveform In-Reply-To: <200610121705.05030.dominic.sacre@gmx.de> References: <200610121705.05030.dominic.sacre@gmx.de> Message-ID: <20061012163515.GY4025@localhost> Le 12 Oct ? 17:05, Dominic Sacr? ecrivait: > I'm looking for a program that lets me watch the audio signal from one or > more jack inputs as a waveform. I don't need it to record anything, just > to monitor the input in realtime (i.e. continuously scrolling). I'd > appreciate any suggestions. Jaaa / Japa ? http://users.skynet.be/solaris/linuxaudio/ Y. From dominic.sacre at gmx.de Thu Oct 12 13:24:59 2006 From: dominic.sacre at gmx.de (Dominic =?ISO-8859-1?B?U2Fjcuk=?=) Date: Thu Oct 12 13:25:30 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Display audio input as waveform In-Reply-To: <20061012163515.GY4025@localhost> References: <200610121705.05030.dominic.sacre@gmx.de> <20061012163515.GY4025@localhost> Message-ID: <20061012192459.95d5fee0.dominic.sacre@gmx.de> On Thu, 12 Oct 2006 18:35:15 +0200 yves@jazzcomputer.org (Yves Potin) wrote: > Le 12 Oct ? 17:05, Dominic Sacr? ecrivait: > > I'm looking for a program that lets me watch the audio signal from one or > > more jack inputs as a waveform. I don't need it to record anything, just > > to monitor the input in realtime (i.e. continuously scrolling). I'd > > appreciate any suggestions. > > Jaaa / Japa ? > http://users.skynet.be/solaris/linuxaudio/ I know both of these, but they only show the frequency spectrum, not the waveform, so it's not quite what I need. Any other ideas? Dominic From _ at whats-your.name Thu Oct 12 13:27:55 2006 From: _ at whats-your.name (carmen) Date: Thu Oct 12 13:28:00 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Display audio input as waveform In-Reply-To: <20061012192459.95d5fee0.dominic.sacre@gmx.de> References: <200610121705.05030.dominic.sacre@gmx.de> <20061012163515.GY4025@localhost> <20061012192459.95d5fee0.dominic.sacre@gmx.de> Message-ID: <20061012172755.GB11560@replic.net> On Thu Oct 12, 2006 at 07:24:59PM +0200, Dominic Sacr? wrote: > On Thu, 12 Oct 2006 18:35:15 +0200 > yves@jazzcomputer.org (Yves Potin) wrote: > > Le 12 Oct ? 17:05, Dominic Sacr? ecrivait: > > > I'm looking for a program that lets me watch the audio signal from one or > > > more jack inputs as a waveform. I don't need it to record anything, just > > > to monitor the input in realtime (i.e. continuously scrolling). I'd > > > appreciate any suggestions. > > > > Jaaa / Japa ? > > http://users.skynet.be/solaris/linuxaudio/ > > I know both of these, but they only show the frequency spectrum, not the > waveform, so it's not quite what I need. Any other ideas? ll_scope > > Dominic > From pcoccoli at gmail.com Thu Oct 12 13:28:32 2006 From: pcoccoli at gmail.com (Paul Coccoli) Date: Thu Oct 12 13:29:19 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Display audio input as waveform In-Reply-To: <20061012192459.95d5fee0.dominic.sacre@gmx.de> References: <200610121705.05030.dominic.sacre@gmx.de> <20061012163515.GY4025@localhost> <20061012192459.95d5fee0.dominic.sacre@gmx.de> Message-ID: <8d27a0610610121028v57f43f3cr99297caa23ff5c4b@mail.gmail.com> On 10/12/06, Dominic Sacr? wrote: > On Thu, 12 Oct 2006 18:35:15 +0200 > yves@jazzcomputer.org (Yves Potin) wrote: > > Le 12 Oct ? 17:05, Dominic Sacr? ecrivait: > > > I'm looking for a program that lets me watch the audio signal from one or > > > more jack inputs as a waveform. I don't need it to record anything, just > > > to monitor the input in realtime (i.e. continuously scrolling). I'd > > > appreciate any suggestions. > > > > Jaaa / Japa ? > > http://users.skynet.be/solaris/linuxaudio/ > > I know both of these, but they only show the frequency spectrum, not the > waveform, so it's not quite what I need. Any other ideas? > > Dominic > http://www.student.nada.kth.se/~d00-llu/music_dssi.php?lang=en or maybe http://plugin.org.uk/meterbridge/ From a at gaydenko.com Thu Oct 12 13:40:42 2006 From: a at gaydenko.com (Andrew Gaydenko) Date: Thu Oct 12 13:40:06 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Display audio input as waveform In-Reply-To: <8d27a0610610121028v57f43f3cr99297caa23ff5c4b@mail.gmail.com> References: <200610121705.05030.dominic.sacre@gmx.de> <20061012192459.95d5fee0.dominic.sacre@gmx.de> <8d27a0610610121028v57f43f3cr99297caa23ff5c4b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200610122140.42163@goldspace.net> or http://svenqueisser.de/qoscc.html ======= On Thursday 12 October 2006 21:28, Paul Coccoli wrote: ======= http://www.student.nada.kth.se/~d00-llu/music_dssi.php?lang=en or maybe http://plugin.org.uk/meterbridge/ From fbar at footils.org Thu Oct 12 16:25:40 2006 From: fbar at footils.org (Frank Barknecht) Date: Thu Oct 12 16:26:36 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] ot-ish : trackballs In-Reply-To: <2def88b80610120208m42d365c3j7378cc89d2aeba90@mail.gmail.com> References: <452D4A6A.90002@gmail.com> <2def88b80610120208m42d365c3j7378cc89d2aeba90@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20061012202540.GG22740@fliwatut.scifi> Hallo, Arnold Krille hat gesagt: // Arnold Krille wrote: > Oh, and forget the touchpads in laptops, they might be okay if you > have your laptop on your knees but I find them impractical for any > serious work... As a Pd user I have to use a pointing device a lot, and I just cannot cope with my laptops trackpad. I've never really used a trackball, but I'd be interested to hear how comfortable it is for mobile use where there's not much space. Say for example in an airplane or in the train. Is this comfortable? Ciao -- Frank Barknecht _ ______footils.org_ __goto10.org__ From atte.jensen at gmail.com Thu Oct 12 16:40:49 2006 From: atte.jensen at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Atte_Andr=E9_Jensen?=) Date: Thu Oct 12 16:41:13 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] sample file conversion, logic -> ardour Message-ID: <452EA851.10705@gmail.com> Hi I recently played a gig with my quartet, and we arranged with a mac-dude that recorded the thing into his laptop/mac/logic. Today I received the DVD with the files, and I have trouble loading them into ardour. they are 44.1K mono files in aif-format, and when simply converting them with "sox file.aif -r 48000 file.wav" and importing them into an 48000 ardour session I get all noise. I guess they're either 32bit or it's the little endian issue (that I don't understand) or both. Here's what "file" has to say: atte@ajstrup:~/music/seq/jazz$ file audio_recording_041.aif audio_recording_041.aif: IFF data, AIFF audio And on the same file converted as mentioned above with sox: atte@ajstrup:~/music/seq/jazz$ file audio_recording_041.wav audio_recording_041.wav: RIFF (little-endian) data, WAVE audio, Microsoft PCM, 32 bit, mono 48000 Hz The file sizes: atte@ajstrup:~/music/seq/jazz$ ll audio_recording_041.* -r-xr-xr-x 1 atte atte 27M 2006-10-12 11:56 audio_recording_041.aif -rw-r--r-- 1 atte atte 30M 2006-10-12 20:03 audio_recording_041.wav The .aif file plays back just fine in mhwaveedit, and is 3:33 mins long (mono). The .wav file is a little shorter (2:40 mins), and is all noise when played back by mhwaveedit. Any pointers that would help me convert these files into something that sounds in ardour is greatly appreciated. Batch conversion (preferably with sox) is a must, as there are over 100 files... Thanks in advance for any response! -- peace, love & harmony Atte http://www.atte.dk | quintet: http://www.anagrammer.dk | compositions: http://www.atte.dk/compositions From _ at whats-your.name Thu Oct 12 16:45:37 2006 From: _ at whats-your.name (carmen) Date: Thu Oct 12 16:45:58 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] sample file conversion, logic -> ardour In-Reply-To: <452EA851.10705@gmail.com> References: <452EA851.10705@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20061012204537.GC20720@replic.net> On Thu Oct 12, 2006 at 10:40:49PM +0200, Atte Andr? Jensen wrote: > Hi > > I recently played a gig with my quartet, and we arranged with a mac-dude > that recorded the thing into his laptop/mac/logic. Today I received the > DVD with the files, and I have trouble loading them into ardour. > > they are 44.1K mono files in aif-format, and when simply converting them > with "sox file.aif -r 48000 file.wav" and importing them into an 48000 > ardour session I get all noise. I guess they're either 32bit or it's the > little endian issue (that I don't understand) or both. > > Here's what "file" has to say: > > atte@ajstrup:~/music/seq/jazz$ file audio_recording_041.aif > audio_recording_041.aif: IFF data, AIFF audio > > And on the same file converted as mentioned above with sox: > > atte@ajstrup:~/music/seq/jazz$ file audio_recording_041.wav > audio_recording_041.wav: RIFF (little-endian) data, WAVE audio, > Microsoft PCM, 32 bit, mono 48000 Hz AFSP is great for identifying and converting just about any audio file out there. i dont know why it doesnt get more attention, maybe it has a weird license or something ftp://ftp.tsp.ece.mcgill.ca/TSP/AFsp/AFsp-v8r2.tar.gz From mle+la at mega-nerd.com Thu Oct 12 16:57:43 2006 From: mle+la at mega-nerd.com (Erik de Castro Lopo) Date: Thu Oct 12 16:57:56 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] sample file conversion, logic -> ardour In-Reply-To: <452EA851.10705@gmail.com> References: <452EA851.10705@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20061013065743.ec01378b.mle+la@mega-nerd.com> Atte Andr? Jensen wrote: > Hi > > I recently played a gig with my quartet, and we arranged with a mac-dude > that recorded the thing into his laptop/mac/logic. Today I received the > DVD with the files, and I have trouble loading them into ardour. > > they are 44.1K mono files in aif-format, and when simply converting them > with "sox file.aif -r 48000 file.wav" and importing them into an 48000 > ardour session I get all noise. I guess they're either 32bit or it's the > little endian issue (that I don't understand) or both. Try sndfile-resample which is part of libsamplerate. You might need to convert the file format separately using sndfile-convert which is part of libsndfile. > Here's what "file" has to say: > > atte@ajstrup:~/music/seq/jazz$ file audio_recording_041.aif > audio_recording_041.aif: IFF data, AIFF audio The "file" program is useless. Try using sndfile-info instead. Erik -- +-----------------------------------------------------------+ Erik de Castro Lopo +-----------------------------------------------------------+ "Linux everywhere pretty much eliminates the need for Java everywhere" -- Bruce Ide in letter to LWN editors From mle+la at mega-nerd.com Thu Oct 12 17:12:25 2006 From: mle+la at mega-nerd.com (Erik de Castro Lopo) Date: Thu Oct 12 17:13:48 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] sample file conversion, logic -> ardour In-Reply-To: <20061012204537.GC20720@replic.net> References: <452EA851.10705@gmail.com> <20061012204537.GC20720@replic.net> Message-ID: <20061013071225.f1b6ed27.mle+la@mega-nerd.com> carmen wrote: > AFSP is great for identifying and converting just about any > audio file out there. I think its actually fewer formats than sndfile-convert. I also tested AFSP's sample rate converter and it wasn't as good as sndfile-resample. I've been meaning to write this up for years but never quite got around to it. Erik -- +-----------------------------------------------------------+ Erik de Castro Lopo +-----------------------------------------------------------+ Moore's Law: hardware speed doubles every 18 months Gates' Law: software speed halves every 18 months From k.s.matheussen at notam02.no Thu Oct 12 17:38:12 2006 From: k.s.matheussen at notam02.no (Kjetil S. Matheussen) Date: Thu Oct 12 17:38:23 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Music: There's A Girl revised In-Reply-To: <20061012172801.6A1B13664A76@music.columbia.edu> References: <20061012172801.6A1B13664A76@music.columbia.edu> Message-ID: Thorsten Wilms: > > Hi! > > So following all the feedback, there's now a 2nd version, > with a slightly more present lead in the intro and vocals > right afterwards, but not running all through. > > I might delete the earlier version, if this is clearly > found better. > > http://www.archive.org/details/theres_a_girl > The sound is cool, but it starts very untight which might make many people turn off before the rest of the song is played. You need to synchronize the various synth voices thats playing before the vocals sets in. And personally, I think the whole thing is far too long with too much repetitions. More progress throughout the song is needed to get me interested. Maybe it can be solved by playing it a bit faster, but this is just my opinion. From atte.jensen at gmail.com Thu Oct 12 17:53:38 2006 From: atte.jensen at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Atte_Andr=E9_Jensen?=) Date: Thu Oct 12 17:54:32 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] sample file conversion, logic -> ardour In-Reply-To: <20061013065743.ec01378b.mle+la@mega-nerd.com> References: <452EA851.10705@gmail.com> <20061013065743.ec01378b.mle+la@mega-nerd.com> Message-ID: <452EB962.6040500@gmail.com> Erik de Castro Lopo wrote: > Try sndfile-resample which is part of libsamplerate. Ok. I changed my rackrate to 44100, and the files loaded just fine in ardour. I'm stupid, sorry... -- peace, love & harmony Atte http://www.atte.dk | quintet: http://www.anagrammer.dk | compositions: http://www.atte.dk/compositions From yves at jazzcomputer.org Thu Oct 12 18:03:30 2006 From: yves at jazzcomputer.org (Yves Potin) Date: Thu Oct 12 18:03:49 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] New web site - new track Message-ID: <20061012220330.GZ4025@localhost> Hi. I've finally made a web site to share my music : http://www.jazzcomputer.org/ You will find there a whole album, half of the tracks have been presented here around June. And there's also a pre-version of the first track of antother album to come : http://download.jazzcomputer.org/picklejar/breathes.ogg (this should remain the electronic music of the seventies :) ). The chorus is played with Bristol's ARP 2600, the percussive effects are samples and the rest is made with Zyn. Any comments are really welcome, about the music or about the web site itself. Cheers, Y. From link at sumerianbabyl.com Thu Oct 12 22:12:00 2006 From: link at sumerianbabyl.com (Link Swanson) Date: Thu Oct 12 22:12:11 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Audio system flaky on all but JACKd apps! Message-ID: <59462.70.92.179.247.1160705520.squirrel@sumerianbabyl.com> Using the intelX0X0 driver, my onboard nForce sound card performs absolutely perfecto running JACK applications with FC5/CCRMA 2.6.13.rrt--I get xrun-free crystal-clear sound. However, all non-jack apps sound like CRAP (jitters, crackling), xmms complains "check that your soundcard is configured properly", amarok is unstable, VLC plays then immediately kills, xine and mplayer give me nothing . . . Yet my ardour and hydrogen projects sound and perform better than ever! WTF mates? Link From arnold.krille at gmail.com Fri Oct 13 04:34:46 2006 From: arnold.krille at gmail.com (Arnold Krille) Date: Fri Oct 13 04:34:54 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] ot-ish : trackballs In-Reply-To: <20061012202540.GG22740@fliwatut.scifi> References: <452D4A6A.90002@gmail.com> <2def88b80610120208m42d365c3j7378cc89d2aeba90@mail.gmail.com> <20061012202540.GG22740@fliwatut.scifi> Message-ID: <2def88b80610130134g6608d105vee70c4552da69bba@mail.gmail.com> 2006/10/12, Frank Barknecht : > Arnold Krille hat gesagt: // Arnold Krille wrote: > > Oh, and forget the touchpads in laptops, they might be okay if you > > have your laptop on your knees but I find them impractical for any > > serious work... > As a Pd user I have to use a pointing device a lot, and I just cannot > cope with my laptops trackpad. I've never really used a trackball, but > I'd be interested to hear how comfortable it is for mobile use where > there's not much space. Say for example in an airplane or in the > train. Is this comfortable? I can only speak for the train-part: as long as you have a somewhat stable place to put the trackball, its really cool. If you are in ICE on a table, you can use it quite good. :-) Arnold -- visit http://www.arnoldarts.de/ --- Wenn man mit Raubkopien Bands wie Brosis oder Britney Spears wirklich verhindern k?nnte, w?rde ich mir noch heute einen Stapel Brenner und einen Sack Rohlinge kaufen. From dominic.sacre at gmx.de Fri Oct 13 06:11:45 2006 From: dominic.sacre at gmx.de (Dominic =?iso-8859-1?q?Sacr=E9?=) Date: Fri Oct 13 06:14:27 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Display audio input as waveform In-Reply-To: <200610122140.42163@goldspace.net> References: <200610121705.05030.dominic.sacre@gmx.de> <8d27a0610610121028v57f43f3cr99297caa23ff5c4b@mail.gmail.com> <200610122140.42163@goldspace.net> Message-ID: <200610131211.45724.dominic.sacre@gmx.de> On Thursday, 12. October 2006 19:40, Andrew Gaydenko wrote: > or http://svenqueisser.de/qoscc.html > > ======= On Thursday 12 October 2006 21:28, Paul Coccoli wrote: ======= > > http://www.student.nada.kth.se/~d00-llu/music_dssi.php?lang=en > or maybe > http://plugin.org.uk/meterbridge/ Thanks for the suggestions. Unfortunately it's still not exactly what I need. Maybe I should explain what I'm trying to achieve... I'd like to be able to spot timing differences/irregularities between multiple audio tracks. When I have two tracks recorded in Ardour, I can easily do this by looking at the tracks, and seeing whether the positions of the notes match. But during recording Ardour is not very useful for this, because the waveform is only displayed in chunks of one second or something, and it wraps around every time the play head reaches the right edge of the window. So what I'm looking for is something that displays the waveforms/tracks similar to the way Ardour does, but always lets me see immediately what was just played/recorded. If qoscc can to this and I just didn't find the right settings, please let me know. Thanks, Dominic From fbar at footils.org Fri Oct 13 06:50:37 2006 From: fbar at footils.org (Frank Barknecht) Date: Fri Oct 13 06:51:32 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] ot-ish : trackballs In-Reply-To: <2def88b80610130134g6608d105vee70c4552da69bba@mail.gmail.com> References: <452D4A6A.90002@gmail.com> <2def88b80610120208m42d365c3j7378cc89d2aeba90@mail.gmail.com> <20061012202540.GG22740@fliwatut.scifi> <2def88b80610130134g6608d105vee70c4552da69bba@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20061013105037.GD10789@fliwatut.scifi> Hallo, Arnold Krille hat gesagt: // Arnold Krille wrote: > I can only speak for the train-part: as long as you have a somewhat > stable place to put the trackball, its really cool. > If you are in ICE on a table, you can use it quite good. :-) Cool. However there I can also use a mouse. What about the small "seat-tables", which are already filled when a laptop rests on them. Can you use a trackball for example resting on your legs? Ciao -- Frank Barknecht _ ______footils.org_ __goto10.org__ From zettberlin at linuxuse.de Fri Oct 13 07:49:59 2006 From: zettberlin at linuxuse.de (Hartmut Noack) Date: Fri Oct 13 07:50:12 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Display audio input as waveform In-Reply-To: <200610131211.45724.dominic.sacre@gmx.de> References: <200610121705.05030.dominic.sacre@gmx.de> <8d27a0610610121028v57f43f3cr99297caa23ff5c4b@mail.gmail.com> <200610122140.42163@goldspace.net> <200610131211.45724.dominic.sacre@gmx.de> Message-ID: <452F7D67.3010904@linuxuse.de> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hello Dominic Dominic Sacr? schrieb: > So what I'm looking for is something that displays the waveforms/tracks > similar to the way Ardour does, but always lets me see immediately what > was just played/recorded. A configurable realtimedisplay can be built using ams (alsa modular synth). Ams hast a oscilloscope plugin that displays whatever gets through as continous wavegraph. You have to route your input into ams (can be made parallel to your regular routing so no processing is being add to the actually recorded signal).Maybe this can help. I made a patch for ams, that provides some basic FX plus the oscilloscope, (if you dont want/need the FX you can simply remove the respective plugins and keep the oscilloscope only). Get it here: http://www.gnupc.de/~zettberlin/law/patches/ams/ the patch is named basic-fx.ams, you need the usual suspect LADSPA-Plugincollections plus ams of course, to run it. The tuning-app fmit also displays a realtime-wav-view, yet this apeares somewhat too clumsy for that job ;-) best regards Z -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.3 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFFL31m1Aecwva1SWMRAm62AJ0YBfXGwbPiyqqDtury8Tr3C6IltACfZqoz COeZaElwo41Vj6ZobLdXS2c= =bpJH -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From gnome at hawaii.rr.com Fri Oct 13 14:31:34 2006 From: gnome at hawaii.rr.com (david) Date: Fri Oct 13 14:31:42 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: ot-ish : trackballs In-Reply-To: <20061013105037.GD10789@fliwatut.scifi> References: <452D4A6A.90002@gmail.com> <2def88b80610120208m42d365c3j7378cc89d2aeba90@mail.gmail.com> <20061012202540.GG22740@fliwatut.scifi> <2def88b80610130134g6608d105vee70c4552da69bba@mail.gmail.com> <20061013105037.GD10789@fliwatut.scifi> Message-ID: <452FDB86.1070504@hawaii.rr.com> Frank Barknecht wrote: > Hallo, > Arnold Krille hat gesagt: // Arnold Krille wrote: > >> I can only speak for the train-part: as long as you have a somewhat >> stable place to put the trackball, its really cool. >> If you are in ICE on a table, you can use it quite good. :-) > > Cool. However there I can also use a mouse. What about the small > "seat-tables", which are already filled when a laptop rests on them. > Can you use a trackball for example resting on your legs? Yes. -- David gnome@hawaii.rr.com authenticity, honesty, community From fbar at footils.org Fri Oct 13 16:53:38 2006 From: fbar at footils.org (Frank Barknecht) Date: Fri Oct 13 16:55:00 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: ot-ish : trackballs In-Reply-To: <452FDB86.1070504@hawaii.rr.com> References: <452D4A6A.90002@gmail.com> <2def88b80610120208m42d365c3j7378cc89d2aeba90@mail.gmail.com> <20061012202540.GG22740@fliwatut.scifi> <2def88b80610130134g6608d105vee70c4552da69bba@mail.gmail.com> <20061013105037.GD10789@fliwatut.scifi> <452FDB86.1070504@hawaii.rr.com> Message-ID: <20061013205337.GI10789@fliwatut.scifi> Hallo, david hat gesagt: // david wrote: > Frank Barknecht wrote: > >Cool. However there I can also use a mouse. What about the small > >"seat-tables", which are already filled when a laptop rests on them. > >Can you use a trackball for example resting on your legs? > > Yes. And does it feel comfortable enough to you? Ciao -- Frank Barknecht _ ______footils.org_ __goto10.org__ From gnome at hawaii.rr.com Fri Oct 13 17:27:26 2006 From: gnome at hawaii.rr.com (david) Date: Fri Oct 13 17:28:05 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: ot-ish : trackballs In-Reply-To: <20061013205337.GI10789@fliwatut.scifi> References: <452D4A6A.90002@gmail.com> <2def88b80610120208m42d365c3j7378cc89d2aeba90@mail.gmail.com> <20061012202540.GG22740@fliwatut.scifi> <2def88b80610130134g6608d105vee70c4552da69bba@mail.gmail.com> <20061013105037.GD10789@fliwatut.scifi> <452FDB86.1070504@hawaii.rr.com> <20061013205337.GI10789@fliwatut.scifi> Message-ID: <453004BE.3020700@hawaii.rr.com> Frank Barknecht wrote: > Hallo, > david hat gesagt: // david wrote: > >> Frank Barknecht wrote: >>> Cool. However there I can also use a mouse. What about the small >>> "seat-tables", which are already filled when a laptop rests on them. >>> Can you use a trackball for example resting on your legs? >> Yes. > > And does it feel comfortable enough to you? I've used it for many years, but not resting on my legs. I know it would work, but can't tell you how comfortable it might be, especially for extended use. Mine's a Trackman Marble Plus, it took me a few days for my thumb to get used to doing so much. I've used other trackballs. The larger ones are much better for fine control. But for really fine control, I prefer graphics tablets. I have a friend who loves touchpads so much that he's even bought keyboards with builtin touchpads. He gets good control by rolling his fingertip on the pad, rather than dragging. I've tried touchpads and don't particularly like them. -- David gnome@hawaii.rr.com authenticity, honesty, community From dawsonwu at rahul.net Fri Oct 13 18:38:07 2006 From: dawsonwu at rahul.net (ken dawson chia wu) Date: Fri Oct 13 18:38:18 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Linux-friendly portable music player? In-Reply-To: <20061010194705.1248ba09@mistral.stie>; from lanas@securenet.net on Tue, Oct 10, 2006 at 07:47:05PM -0400 References: <20060926174001.38456068@mistral.stie> <20061010142306.A15295@rahul.net> <20061010194705.1248ba09@mistral.stie> Message-ID: <20061013153807.A22141@rahul.net> On Tue, Oct 10, 2006 at 07:47:05PM -0400, lanas wrote: > On Tue, 10 Oct 2006 14:23:06 -0700 > ken dawson chia wu wrote: > > ... SNIP of description of gphoto2 usage details ... > > > The interface is easily scriptable. > > Hope this helps. Don't hesitate if you have questions. > > Cheers, > Al > It did indeed help, and I am fabricating a script for myself as we speak. Two things, though: 1. I find that whenever i do an upload to the T30, I get a bunch of complaints which look like an error is occurring, like the end of the file is being lost. The resulting tracks seem to be ok, though. Have you experienced data loss using these commands? 2. Is there some sort of command which would ensure that the device can be properly disconnected, similar to a umount command fo file systems? I feel a bit nervous just yanking the cable out. Thanks a lot for your help. /ken PS: I was able to use gphoto2 to remove existing files and directories, and to create subdirectories via the --rmdir, -d, and --mkdir options. Using them is quite clunky, but once you get it, a script could make it a lot more natural to do. From gavmusic at meadowside.efhmail.com Fri Oct 13 19:23:12 2006 From: gavmusic at meadowside.efhmail.com (Gavin Stevens) Date: Fri Oct 13 19:24:07 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: New web site - new track In-Reply-To: <20061013212803.6B8E936C0845@music.columbia.edu> References: <20061013212803.6B8E936C0845@music.columbia.edu> Message-ID: <20061014002312.4d4c2c1f@localhost> Hi Yves, I really like "Breathes" - some nice 70s synth sounds & a great ambience. I also took the opportunity to catch up with other tracks from your album - still need time to listen again to those, but I have greatly enjoyed "Clouds", "Seven Bells" & "No Joe" since I downloaded them earlier in the year. The website seems clean & crisp in operation & the downloads progressed smartly. Thanks for sharing. Gavin. > Hi. > I've finally made a web site to share my music : > http://www.jazzcomputer.org/ > You will find there a whole album, half of the tracks have > been > presented here around June. > And there's also a pre-version of the first track of antother > album to come : > http://download.jazzcomputer.org/picklejar/breathes.ogg > (this should remain the electronic music of the seventies :) ). The > chorus is played with Bristol's ARP 2600, the percussive effects are > samples and the rest is made with Zyn. > Any comments are really welcome, about the music or about the > web > site itself. > Cheers, > > Y. From gavmusic at meadowside.efhmail.com Fri Oct 13 19:30:19 2006 From: gavmusic at meadowside.efhmail.com (Gavin Stevens) Date: Fri Oct 13 19:31:11 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Dave's Prelude Message-ID: <20061014003019.6d6652b0@localhost> I must've downloaded Dave Phillips' Prelude a while ago & then not listened to it. Finally corrected that oversight & greatly enjoyed it - nice harmonies. In fact, a piece with a quiet, almost veiled beauty. I wonder if it would work on an acoustic piano (although it sounds nice with the bell piano)? Thanks Dave - I look forward to more. Gavin. From gavmusic at meadowside.efhmail.com Fri Oct 13 19:34:06 2006 From: gavmusic at meadowside.efhmail.com (Gavin Stevens) Date: Fri Oct 13 19:35:05 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] A minor mystery.... Message-ID: <20061014003406.1b21950e@localhost> Hi all, I've been having a bit of a catch up with some tracks that I don't seem to have listened to & I came across a song called "The girls, the sailor". This is a good song & definitely a keeper. The only problem is, there doesn't seem to be any mention anywhere of who wrote & performed it. Any ideas? Thanks, Gavin. From set at pobox.com Fri Oct 13 21:21:14 2006 From: set at pobox.com (Paul) Date: Fri Oct 13 21:21:23 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: A minor mystery.... In-Reply-To: <20061014003406.1b21950e@localhost> References: <20061014003406.1b21950e@localhost> Message-ID: <20061014012114.GB7256@squish.home.loc> Gavin Stevens , on Sat Oct 14, 2006 [12:34:06 AM] said: > Hi all, > > I've been having a bit of a catch up with some tracks that I don't seem > to have listened to & I came across a song called "The girls, the > sailor". This is a good song & definitely a keeper. > > The only problem is, there doesn't seem to be any mention anywhere of > who wrote & performed it. > > Any ideas? > > Thanks, > > Gavin. > > Hi; http://lalists.stanford.edu/lau/2005/03/0710.html Paul set@pobox.com From gnome at hawaii.rr.com Sat Oct 14 01:08:53 2006 From: gnome at hawaii.rr.com (david) Date: Sat Oct 14 01:09:02 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: A minor mystery.... In-Reply-To: <20061014012114.GB7256@squish.home.loc> References: <20061014003406.1b21950e@localhost> <20061014012114.GB7256@squish.home.loc> Message-ID: <453070E5.2060106@hawaii.rr.com> Paul wrote: > Gavin Stevens , on Sat Oct 14, 2006 [12:34:06 AM] said: >> Hi all, >> >> I've been having a bit of a catch up with some tracks that I don't seem >> to have listened to & I came across a song called "The girls, the >> sailor". This is a good song & definitely a keeper. >> >> The only problem is, there doesn't seem to be any mention anywhere of >> who wrote & performed it. >> >> Any ideas? >> >> Thanks, >> >> Gavin. >> >> > > Hi; > > http://lalists.stanford.edu/lau/2005/03/0710.html The link mentioned there only takes you to a page with this message: Machine Has No Agenda 503 - Service Unavailable Sorry, folks ... it's all over. I'll post soon with links to any of the Machine Has No Recordings artists who have other sites ... something will be here again soon. But entirely smaller. Smaller. Oh, and The Girls will have their first album here soon! My review of things: robots are dead, and the music that makes them. long live rock'n'roll. Just in case anyone wanted to know ... -- David gnome@hawaii.rr.com authenticity, honesty, community From dlphillips at woh.rr.com Sat Oct 14 06:30:05 2006 From: dlphillips at woh.rr.com (Dave Phillips) Date: Sat Oct 14 06:04:15 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] A minor mystery.... In-Reply-To: <20061014003406.1b21950e@localhost> References: <20061014003406.1b21950e@localhost> Message-ID: <4530BC2D.8050908@woh.rr.com> Gavin Stevens wrote: >I've been having a bit of a catch up with some tracks that I don't seem >to have listened to & I came across a song called "The girls, the >sailor". This is a good song & definitely a keeper. > >The only problem is, there doesn't seem to be any mention anywhere of >who wrote & performed it. > >Any ideas? > > Can't help with its provenance, but I agree it's a great song, one of my favorites on LAM. Btw, the band is called The Girls, the song is Sailor. "I think of Joseph as a sister..." Anyone know who The Girls are/were ? Best, dp From t_w_ at freenet.de Sat Oct 14 06:39:53 2006 From: t_w_ at freenet.de (Thorsten Wilms) Date: Sat Oct 14 06:40:29 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] A minor mystery.... In-Reply-To: <4530BC2D.8050908@woh.rr.com> References: <20061014003406.1b21950e@localhost> <4530BC2D.8050908@woh.rr.com> Message-ID: <20061014103953.GA5391@charly.SWORD> On Sat, Oct 14, 2006 at 06:30:05AM -0400, Dave Phillips wrote: > Gavin Stevens wrote: > > >I've been having a bit of a catch up with some tracks that I don't seem > >to have listened to & I came across a song called "The girls, the > >sailor". This is a good song & definitely a keeper. > > > >The only problem is, there doesn't seem to be any mention anywhere of > >who wrote & performed it. > > > >Any ideas? > > > > > Can't help with its provenance, but I agree it's a great song, one of my > favorites on LAM. > > Btw, the band is called The Girls, the song is Sailor. > > "I think of Joseph as a sister..." > > Anyone know who The Girls are/were ? I attached shayne_o_connor to the filename ... :) Too bad it isn't tagged. -- Thorsten Wilms From dlphillips at woh.rr.com Sat Oct 14 07:10:57 2006 From: dlphillips at woh.rr.com (Dave Phillips) Date: Sat Oct 14 06:45:09 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Dave's Prelude In-Reply-To: <20061014003019.6d6652b0@localhost> References: <20061014003019.6d6652b0@localhost> Message-ID: <4530C5C1.4020300@woh.rr.com> Gavin Stevens wrote: >I must've downloaded Dave Phillips' Prelude a while ago & then not listened to it. > >Finally corrected that oversight & greatly enjoyed it - nice harmonies. >In fact, a piece with a quiet, almost veiled beauty. I wonder if it >would work on an acoustic piano (although it sounds nice with the bell piano)? > >Thanks Dave - I look forward to more. > Thanks for listening to my music, Gavin, I'm glad you enjoyed it. That piece was written specifically for an electric piano sound on my Yamaha TX802, it wasn't really made with a regular piano sound in mind. No reason not to try it though. :) I had some fun recently by playing the piece with three different sound sources: the original TX sound, the ZynAddSubFX patch, and Native Instrument's FM7 (using WINE and Robert Reif's ASIO driver). I liked them all, but I must say that my TX802 is in mortal danger. ZynAddSubFX is such a fine synthesizer, it really does a fantastic job with that clear FM bell piano sound. NI's FM7 also sounds beautiful, but probably the "least beautiful" of the three sources (it is a wonderful synth though). I've written a couple of other pieces using the same sound, I'll post them asap. I've also recently composed five trios for flute, harp, and guitar, but alas, I'm running out of space at linux-sound.org. Any recommendations for a free hosting site ? Some of the pieces are rather long (8+ minutes), so I'll need some room. As always, my work is under a Creative Commons license. MIDI files are available on request. Best, dp From lars.luthman at gmail.com Sat Oct 14 06:52:15 2006 From: lars.luthman at gmail.com (Lars Luthman) Date: Sat Oct 14 06:52:30 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Dave's Prelude In-Reply-To: <4530C5C1.4020300@woh.rr.com> References: <20061014003019.6d6652b0@localhost> <4530C5C1.4020300@woh.rr.com> Message-ID: <1160823135.11341.1.camel@c213-100-20-9.swipnet.se> On Sat, 2006-10-14 at 07:10 -0400, Dave Phillips wrote: > I've written a couple of other pieces using the same sound, I'll post > them asap. I've also recently composed five trios for flute, harp, and > guitar, but alas, I'm running out of space at linux-sound.org. Any > recommendations for a free hosting site ? Some of the pieces are rather > long (8+ minutes), so I'll need some room. There is always the archive: http://www.archive.org/ -- Lars Luthman - please encrypt any email sent to me if possible PGP key: http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x04C77E2E Fingerprint: FCA7 C790 19B9 322D EB7A E1B3 4371 4650 04C7 7E2E -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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From rj at spamatica.se Sat Oct 14 08:42:12 2006 From: rj at spamatica.se (Robert Jonsson) Date: Sat Oct 14 08:39:49 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [hit] new tune Message-ID: <200610141442.13290.rj@spamatica.se> Hi, "I know what I'm doing now, gonna write a pop song played everywhere." \/ http://spamatica.se/music/spamatica/default/spamatica_-_one_hit_wonder1.2.ogg /gwb aka One Hit Wonder -- http://spamatica.se/musicsite/ From capocasa at gmx.net Sat Oct 14 09:37:10 2006 From: capocasa at gmx.net (Carlo Capocasa) Date: Sat Oct 14 09:38:20 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Audio Promotion Message-ID: Strongly looking into the "Free" business (yes, I said 'free' AND 'business') I ran across a world called "Second Life". I know, they're a silicon valley company funded by venture capitalists and hence, they are inherently evil and all. There source code is not released as GPL (yet). But. A whole lot of people 'come' there to get away from their lives, which is a tremendous opportunity for musicians like us. Here's how it works. You download a client (linux client is available in 'alpha stage' and has proven stable for me, XUbuntu 6.06 LTS, Dell Inspiron). What you get is essentially a cross between an online roleplaying game, a chat network, and a rich set of 3D modelling tools. So you go into this vast world, and all these other people are there. What's most amazing, they have a currency that can be converted into U.S. dollars at an exchange rate that works similarly to converting to other currencies. And the beef is, they support streaming audio into virtual 'land parcels', and the beef of beef is, they support doing that in OGG Vorbis. Since I am building my concept of Online-Centered audio promotion that also enables people to make a living, while preserving everyone's authority over their own computers, this thing appears to be a godsend. There are already musicians broadcasting LIVE concerts in there. Anyone who would like to look into the possibilities with me is very welcome to drop me a line: theman -AT- carlocapocasa -DOT- com. Or just would like some help getting sat up. The URL is: http://www.secondlife.com. My Second Life persona is called 'Carlo Andree'. With this information you can add me to your 'friends' list, and as a LAU participant you are warmly invited to. We have the potential here to: Be grande artists, retain creative control, earn a wealthy living, AND preserve and further the goals of a free society. Warm invitations to participate, and I feel this is just one more useful tool. Carlo From t_w_ at freenet.de Sat Oct 14 10:06:27 2006 From: t_w_ at freenet.de (Thorsten Wilms) Date: Sat Oct 14 10:07:05 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [hit] new tune In-Reply-To: <200610141442.13290.rj@spamatica.se> References: <200610141442.13290.rj@spamatica.se> Message-ID: <20061014140626.GB5391@charly.SWORD> On Sat, Oct 14, 2006 at 02:42:12PM +0200, Robert Jonsson wrote: > http://spamatica.se/music/spamatica/default/spamatica_-_one_hit_wonder1.2.ogg My first impression was: Wow! Followed by noticing that overly strong bass attenuation again, trouble understanding a word and thinking the singer hides behind effects a bit much ;) Please up the vocals quite some. At 3:15 I had the feeling it's running out of steam a bit ... and then it was over, so the lenght is allright. I think you should try running the drums, especialy the snare, through tube warmth or a tube amp for more presence and some dirt. -- Thorsten Wilms From folderol at ukfsn.org Sat Oct 14 11:27:50 2006 From: folderol at ukfsn.org (Folderol) Date: Sat Oct 14 11:26:03 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [hit] new tune In-Reply-To: <20061014140626.GB5391@charly.SWORD> References: <200610141442.13290.rj@spamatica.se> <20061014140626.GB5391@charly.SWORD> Message-ID: <20061014162750.7e6dac8d@localhost> On Sat, 14 Oct 2006 16:06:27 +0200 Thorsten Wilms wrote: > On Sat, Oct 14, 2006 at 02:42:12PM +0200, Robert Jonsson wrote: > > > http://spamatica.se/music/spamatica/default/spamatica_-_one_hit_wonder1.2.ogg Sounds very 60s :) > My first impression was: Wow! > Followed by noticing that overly strong bass attenuation again, > trouble understanding a word and thinking the singer hides behind > effects a bit much ;) > > Please up the vocals quite some. I pretty much agree here. How do you check levels? Bass in particular can be very sensitive to amp quality, and you need to keep in mind many of your listeners will be hearing it on computer speakers, portables etc. > At 3:15 I had the feeling it's running out of steam a bit ... > and then it was over, so the lenght is allright. Yep agree here too > I think you should try running the drums, especialy the snare, > through tube warmth or a tube amp for more presence and some > dirt. Here we differ, I thought the percussion was OK! > -- > Thorsten Wilms > -- Will J G From folderol at ukfsn.org Sat Oct 14 11:28:35 2006 From: folderol at ukfsn.org (Folderol) Date: Sat Oct 14 11:27:04 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Music: There's A Girl revised In-Reply-To: <20061012114848.GA5416@charly.SWORD> References: <20061012114848.GA5416@charly.SWORD> Message-ID: <20061014162835.3f4944eb@localhost> On Thu, 12 Oct 2006 13:48:48 +0200 Thorsten Wilms wrote: > Hi! > > So following all the feedback, there's now a 2nd version, > with a slightly more present lead in the intro and vocals > right afterwards, but not running all through. > > I might delete the earlier version, if this is clearly > found better. > > http://www.archive.org/details/theres_a_girl > > > -- > Thorsten Wilms > This one is a definite improvement I think. -- Will J G From folderol at ukfsn.org Sat Oct 14 11:35:35 2006 From: folderol at ukfsn.org (Folderol) Date: Sat Oct 14 11:33:42 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] New web site - new track In-Reply-To: <20061012220330.GZ4025@localhost> References: <20061012220330.GZ4025@localhost> Message-ID: <20061014163535.221758d5@localhost> On Fri, 13 Oct 2006 00:03:30 +0200 yves@jazzcomputer.org (Yves Potin) wrote: > > Hi. > I've finally made a web site to share my music : > http://www.jazzcomputer.org/ > You will find there a whole album, half of the tracks have been > presented here around June. > And there's also a pre-version of the first track of antother > album to come : > http://download.jazzcomputer.org/picklejar/breathes.ogg > (this should remain the electronic music of the seventies :) ). The chorus > is played with Bristol's ARP 2600, the percussive effects are samples and > the rest is made with Zyn. > Any comments are really welcome, about the music or about the web > site itself. > Cheers, > > Y. Just listened to 'breathes' and I think it is excellent. Definitely a keeper. The only (very minor) criticism is that I think the intro is a bit overlong. Move over J M Jarre :) -- Will J G From yves at jazzcomputer.org Sat Oct 14 12:13:28 2006 From: yves at jazzcomputer.org (Yves Potin) Date: Sat Oct 14 12:13:39 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] New web site - new track In-Reply-To: <20061014163535.221758d5@localhost> References: <20061012220330.GZ4025@localhost> <20061014163535.221758d5@localhost> Message-ID: <20061014161328.GB11024@localhost> Le 14 Oct ? 16:35, Folderol ecrivait: > Just listened to 'breathes' and I think it is excellent. Definitely a > keeper. The only (very minor) criticism is that I think the intro is a > bit overlong. Thank you very much, you and Gavin, for your hearing and your comments. Yes, I agree that the intro is too long, or too monotonous. I'll try to introduce a completely other sound instead of the second cycle of ring modulator effects, in the next version. Cheers, Y. From paniq at paniq.org Sat Oct 14 13:43:31 2006 From: paniq at paniq.org (Leonard "paniq" Ritter) Date: Sat Oct 14 13:43:50 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [ANN] Mute 0.1 (Bark Beetle) Message-ID: <1160847811.5804.9.camel@localhost> Mute is an extensible modular sequencer/tracker, designed to be 1:1 compatible to Jeskola Buzz, currently in development stage. It is primarily being developed for the Linux operating system, but also builds and runs on Windows. If you want to help with testing or building packages, or if you just want to hang around, visit ##mute on irc.freenode.net This debut release of Mute includes sources for both Linux x86 and Windows. * Main Site: http://trac.zeitherrschaft.org/zzub/ * Screenshots: http://trac.zeitherrschaft.org/zzub/wiki/MuteScreenshots * Downloads: http://trac.zeitherrschaft.org/zzub/wiki/MuteDownloads Since my last announcement, there have been a lot of fixes and feature additions, here's a list to closed tickets: http://trac.zeitherrschaft.org/zzub/query?status=closed&milestone=Mute +Release+0.1+%28Bark+Beetle%29 -- Leonard Ritter -- Design / Code / Music -- http://www.leonard-ritter.com From rj at spamatica.se Sat Oct 14 15:57:50 2006 From: rj at spamatica.se (Robert Jonsson) Date: Sat Oct 14 15:55:31 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Audio Promotion In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200610142157.51103.rj@spamatica.se> Hi, Oh, not everyday you find an MMO that works in linux. Trying it out. Doesn't work too well as of yet, but atleast it works ;) The ogg support sounds very cool indeed...when I get audio working...hrm /Robert On Saturday 14 October 2006 15:37, Carlo Capocasa wrote: > Strongly looking into the "Free" business (yes, I said 'free' AND > 'business') I ran across a world called "Second Life". > > I know, they're a silicon valley company funded by venture capitalists > and hence, they are inherently evil and all. There source code is not > released as GPL (yet). But. A whole lot of people 'come' there to get > away from their lives, which is a tremendous opportunity for musicians > like us. > > Here's how it works. You download a client (linux client is available in > 'alpha stage' and has proven stable for me, XUbuntu 6.06 LTS, Dell > Inspiron). What you get is essentially a cross between an online > roleplaying game, a chat network, and a rich set of 3D modelling tools. > So you go into this vast world, and all these other people are there. > > What's most amazing, they have a currency that can be converted into > U.S. dollars at an exchange rate that works similarly to converting to > other currencies. > > And the beef is, they support streaming audio into virtual 'land > parcels', and the beef of beef is, they support doing that in OGG Vorbis. > > Since I am building my concept of Online-Centered audio promotion that > also enables people to make a living, while preserving everyone's > authority over their own computers, this thing appears to be a godsend. > > There are already musicians broadcasting LIVE concerts in there. Anyone > who would like to look into the possibilities with me is very welcome to > drop me a line: theman -AT- carlocapocasa -DOT- com. Or just would like > some help getting sat up. > > The URL is: http://www.secondlife.com. My Second Life persona is called > 'Carlo Andree'. With this information you can add me to your 'friends' > list, and as a LAU participant you are warmly invited to. > > We have the potential here to: Be grande artists, retain creative > control, earn a wealthy living, AND preserve and further the goals of a > free society. Warm invitations to participate, and I feel this is just > one more useful tool. > > Carlo -- http://spamatica.se/musicsite/ From rj at spamatica.se Sat Oct 14 16:12:05 2006 From: rj at spamatica.se (Robert Jonsson) Date: Sat Oct 14 16:09:41 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [hit] new tune In-Reply-To: <20061014162750.7e6dac8d@localhost> References: <200610141442.13290.rj@spamatica.se> <20061014140626.GB5391@charly.SWORD> <20061014162750.7e6dac8d@localhost> Message-ID: <200610142212.06170.rj@spamatica.se> On Saturday 14 October 2006 17:27, Folderol wrote: > On Sat, 14 Oct 2006 16:06:27 +0200 > > Thorsten Wilms wrote: > > On Sat, Oct 14, 2006 at 02:42:12PM +0200, Robert Jonsson wrote: > > > http://spamatica.se/music/spamatica/default/spamatica_-_one_hit_wonder1 > > >.2.ogg New one http://spamatica.se/music/spamatica/default/spamatica_-_one_hit_wonder1.3.ogg > > Sounds very 60s :) it does?? :-) one hit wonder ay? ;) > > > My first impression was: Wow! > > Followed by noticing that overly strong bass attenuation again, > > trouble understanding a word and thinking the singer hides behind > > effects a bit much ;) > > > > Please up the vocals quite some. Trying. Though the effects are nonnegotiable ;) > > I pretty much agree here. How do you check levels? Bass in particular > can be very sensitive to amp quality, and you need to keep in mind many > of your listeners will be hearing it on computer speakers, portables > etc. I think I need an ear calibration... as you know this isn't my first offence. I do indeed like it a bit bassy, I guess my monitors are forgiving in that it does not sound bad. I think I'll try to find some computer speakers for comparison. > > > At 3:15 I had the feeling it's running out of steam a bit ... > > and then it was over, so the lenght is allright. > > Yep agree here too Indeed it does, a bit too soon.. /Robert > > > I think you should try running the drums, especialy the snare, > > through tube warmth or a tube amp for more presence and some > > dirt. > > Here we differ, I thought the percussion was OK! > > > -- > > Thorsten Wilms -- http://spamatica.se/musicsite/ From lau at kudla.org Sat Oct 14 16:47:26 2006 From: lau at kudla.org (Rob) Date: Sat Oct 14 16:47:57 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Audio Promotion In-Reply-To: <200610142157.51103.rj@spamatica.se> References: <200610142157.51103.rj@spamatica.se> Message-ID: <200610141647.27513.lau@kudla.org> On Saturday 14 October 2006 15:57, Robert Jonsson wrote: > Oh, not everyday you find an MMO that works in linux. > Trying it out. Doesn't work too well as of yet, but atleast it > works ;) The ogg support sounds very cool indeed...when I get > audio working...hrm I was interested in Second Life when they announced the Linux client back in 2003 (it took almost 3 years for them to actually release the alpha) and I really wanted to support them, but nowadays it just looks like "Alphaworld with real money" to me. I think the streaming concert idea is neat, and people are always going to try to buy and sell in-game features, but just as I can't compete with WoW players who sit there 18 hours a day leveling up, I can't compete with people who can afford to just buy themselves everything in SL. The other thing is, to snip a quote from Carlo's original post: > > We have the potential here to: Be grande artists, retain > > creative control, earn a wealthy living, AND preserve and > > further the goals of a free society. Warm invitations to > > participate, and I feel this is just one more useful tool. In no way is SL or any other current MMO system a "free society". Just like a shopping mall or Wal-Mart or an IRC server, you're in the society at the owners' pleasure, and unless something happens to turn it into a Neal Stephenson-esque publicly held shared reality, that's not going to change. Rob From t_w_ at freenet.de Sat Oct 14 16:57:41 2006 From: t_w_ at freenet.de (Thorsten Wilms) Date: Sat Oct 14 16:57:55 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [hit] new tune In-Reply-To: <200610142212.06170.rj@spamatica.se> References: <200610141442.13290.rj@spamatica.se> <20061014140626.GB5391@charly.SWORD> <20061014162750.7e6dac8d@localhost> <200610142212.06170.rj@spamatica.se> Message-ID: <20061014205741.GA6278@charly.SWORD> On Sat, Oct 14, 2006 at 10:12:05PM +0200, Robert Jonsson wrote: > > New one > http://spamatica.se/music/spamatica/default/spamatica_-_one_hit_wonder1.3.ogg Clearly better. Still rumbles, vocal levels are ok now. Now I would try to give the drums more room (reverb). > I think I need an ear calibration... as you know this isn't my first offence. > I do indeed like it a bit bassy, I guess my monitors are forgiving in that it > does not sound bad. I think I'll try to find some computer speakers for > comparison. Guess you should listen to comparable records on the same system. I'm tempted to ask for single, dry tracks, but just now there's MusE waiting with Mr. Godfrey's music :) -- Thorsten Wilms From folderol at ukfsn.org Sat Oct 14 18:20:06 2006 From: folderol at ukfsn.org (Folderol) Date: Sat Oct 14 18:17:59 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Mainstream Real Time Message-ID: <20061014232006.4f06d43b@localhost> Some of you might be interested in this. http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS9566944929.html -- Will J G From sayhi2guy at tiscali.co.uk Sat Oct 14 18:22:24 2006 From: sayhi2guy at tiscali.co.uk (guy) Date: Sat Oct 14 18:22:49 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Good News About Realtime Kernel As Standard Message-ID: <45316320.1000300@tiscali.co.uk> Its looking promising http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS9566944929.html ___________________________________________________________ Inbox full of spam? Get leading spam protection and 1GB storage with All New Yahoo! Mail. http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/nowyoucan.html From folderol at ukfsn.org Sat Oct 14 18:29:06 2006 From: folderol at ukfsn.org (Folderol) Date: Sat Oct 14 18:27:01 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Good News About Realtime Kernel As Standard In-Reply-To: <45316320.1000300@tiscali.co.uk> References: <45316320.1000300@tiscali.co.uk> Message-ID: <20061014232906.463dc931@localhost> On Sat, 14 Oct 2006 23:22:24 +0100 guy wrote: > Its looking promising > > http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS9566944929.html Hey! No Fair! I put this up before you did. How come your posting time is lower than mine :( -- Will J G From sayhi2guy at tiscali.co.uk Sat Oct 14 18:33:37 2006 From: sayhi2guy at tiscali.co.uk (guy) Date: Sat Oct 14 18:33:40 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Good News About Realtime Kernel As Standard In-Reply-To: <20061014232906.463dc931@localhost> References: <45316320.1000300@tiscali.co.uk> <20061014232906.463dc931@localhost> Message-ID: <453165C1.9080706@tiscali.co.uk> Folderol wrote: > On Sat, 14 Oct 2006 23:22:24 +0100 > guy wrote: > > >> Its looking promising >> >> http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS9566944929.html >> > > Hey! No Fair! I put this up before you did. How come your posting time > is lower than mine :( > Beats me - must be something to do with computers ;) G Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com From paniq at paniq.org Sat Oct 14 19:02:05 2006 From: paniq at paniq.org (Leonard "paniq" Ritter) Date: Sat Oct 14 19:02:51 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [ANN] Mute 0.1.1 (Bark Beetle) Message-ID: <1160866925.5804.13.camel@localhost> Yes, a very quick update. One maintainer pointed out to me that a DESTDIR can not be set, which is now fixed. What was even worse was that LD_LIBRARY_PATH had to point to /usr/local/lib in order to help mute find libzzub.so. Installation and running should now work without any problems. Mea maxima culpa. -- Mute is an extensible modular sequencer/tracker, designed to be 1:1 compatible to Jeskola Buzz, currently in development stage. It is primarily being developed for the Linux operating system, but also builds and runs on Windows. If you want to help with testing or building packages, or if you just want to hang around, visit ##mute on irc.freenode.net This debut release of Mute includes sources for both Linux x86 and Windows. * Main Site: http://trac.zeitherrschaft.org/zzub/ * Screenshots: http://trac.zeitherrschaft.org/zzub/wiki/MuteScreenshots * Downloads: http://trac.zeitherrschaft.org/zzub/wiki/MuteDownloads Since my last announcement, there have been a lot of fixes and feature additions, here's a list to closed tickets: http://trac.zeitherrschaft.org/zzub/query?status=closed&milestone=Mute +Release+0.1+%28Bark+Beetle%29 -- Leonard Ritter -- Design / Code / Music -- http://www.leonard-ritter.com From mail at jensgulden.de Sat Oct 14 20:21:29 2006 From: mail at jensgulden.de (Jens Gulden) Date: Sat Oct 14 20:20:34 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Midi data arrives, but gets stuck in ALSA's buffer In-Reply-To: <1160408339.8177.272895777@webmail.messagingengine.com> References: <4526BD81.3020103@jensgulden.de> <1160408339.8177.272895777@webmail.messagingengine.com> Message-ID: <45317F09.3020208@jensgulden.de> Hello, >> Does the same happen if you run "amidi -d -p hw:2,0" when no other >> program is connected? amidi is not included in Musix, but alsa-utils-1.10rc3 can be compiled on Musix 0.39 (./configure, make). Running amidi -d -p hw:X successfully DOES dump the incoming midi data. However, even trying to simply play a .mid-file with aplaymidi fails, leading to this: cat /proc/asound/cardX/midi0 -> UM-1 Output 0 Tx bytes : 0 Mode : native Buffer size: 4096 Avail: 4045 (!!) Input 0 Ry bates : 0 To mention it again: this happens with the realtime-kernels of the GNU-Musix live-distribution, but not with the ordinary kernels. Hope this helps, Jens Clemens Ladisch schrieb: > Jens Gulden wrote: > >>cat /proc/asound/card2/midi0 -> >> >>MidiSport 2x2 >> >>Output 0 >> Tx bytes : 0 >>Output 1 >> Tx bytes : 0 >>Input 0 >> Rx bytes : 1186 >> Buffer size : 4096 >> Avail : 1186 <--- ### SHOULD BE 0, NOT ==RX BYTES! ### >> Overruns : 0 >>Input 1 >> Rx bytes : 0 >> >>Instead of passing the data further to the connected timidity, it gets >>stuck in the receive-buffer. >>When 4096 is reached, overruns start to count up. > > > Does the same happen if you run "amidi -d -p hw:2,0" when no other > program is connected? > > > Regards, > Clemens From nico at tekNico.net Sun Oct 15 02:49:41 2006 From: nico at tekNico.net (Nicola Larosa) Date: Mon Oct 16 10:39:39 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Good News About Realtime Kernel As Standard In-Reply-To: <20061014232906.463dc931@localhost> References: <45316320.1000300@tiscali.co.uk> <20061014232906.463dc931@localhost> Message-ID: > guy wrote: >> Its looking promising >> >> http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS9566944929.html Folderol wrote: > Hey! No Fair! I put this up before you did. How come your posting time > is lower than mine :( No, it's not. Folderol's mail has this header: > Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2006 23:20:06 +0100 while guy's one has this: > Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2006 23:22:24 +0100 -- Nicola Larosa - http://www.tekNico.net/ There are, in fact, only two categories of doctors and scientists who are not opposed to vivisection: those who don't know enough about it, and those who make money from it. -- Werner Hartinger (cited by David Icke, May 2006) From cesare at poeticstudios.com Sun Oct 15 09:21:35 2006 From: cesare at poeticstudios.com (Cesare Marilungo) Date: Mon Oct 16 10:46:54 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Linux compatibile controller keyboard? In-Reply-To: <6771114.post@talk.nabble.com> References: <6771114.post@talk.nabble.com> Message-ID: <453235DF.3070109@poeticstudios.com> yonatan wrote: >Hello, > >Can anyone offer experiences on using either of these controllers with >Linux? > >E-Mu XBoard25 (or XBoard49) >Edirol PCR-M30 (or PCR-M50) > >This page only mentions the XBoard (although it mentions the older Edirol >without the M): >http://www.qbik.ch/usb/devices/search_res.php?pattern=midi+keyboard > >This page mentions both of the above makes as working: >http://ubuntustudio.com/wiki/index.php/Audio_Hardware#Edirol_PCR-M50_USB_keyboard_controller > >Other than the above, searching the list turned up some questions about the >XBoard, and I couldn't find anything about the Edirol. It looks like they >will both work, but any more information would be helpful. > >Thanks, >Yonatan > > > I'm using a PCR-M30 here. No driver needed. c. -- www.cesaremarilungo.com On the Internet, no one knows you're using Windows NT -- Submitted by Ramiro Estrugo, restrugo@fateware.com From pshirkey at boosthardware.com Sun Oct 15 12:50:34 2006 From: pshirkey at boosthardware.com (Patrick Shirkey) Date: Mon Oct 16 10:55:14 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] QUICKTOOTS: Most Loaded Desktop Competition Message-ID: <453266DA.1070803@boosthardware.com> Quicktoots :: http://quicktoots.linuxaudio.org NOW ONLINE FOR YOUR VIEWING PLEASURE!!! **************************************************************************** The Most Loaded Linux Audio Desktop Competition This is a little competition to see who can come up with the most heavily loaded and well laid out (cluttered might be a better word) desktop screenshot while running Linux Audio Applications. Rules 1. The most popular will be given top spot on the LAU Guide. 2. All submissions will be presented as the next Quicktoot. 3. There is no size restriction. 4. Video/animation/flash and audio examples will also be accepted. 5. Either post the url to Linux Audio Users mailing list. or send the entries directly to pshirkey at boosthardware dot com. * Round 1 Submissions now closed. Voting is in place through viewing popularity. No cheating please. System is purposefully simple as we expect this audience to be genuinely interested in results. ***************************************************************************** ------------- Background ------------- The purpose of the Quicktoots are to provide a community resource of informative guides for using Linux audio applications. The Quicktoots are the brainchild of Dave Phillips the man responsible for the most comprehensive webpage devoted to Linux audio applications. The Linux Sound and Midi page. Your one stop resource for Linux sound software. http://www.linux-sound.org If you are in the position to link to any of the quicktoots please link to the main page. That way we can keep more accurate statistics on the amount of people viewing the pages. If you are interested in contributing to the Quicktoots please let us know. All work must be submitted to either Dave or myself and we will give advice or make changes to ensure our publishing standard is met. If you are not able to send html don't worry because I am willing to format any braindumps. ----------------------- Cheers. -- Patrick Shirkey - Boost Hardware Ltd. Http://www.boosthardware.com Http://lau.linuxaudio.org - The Linux Audio Users guide ======================================== "Anything your mind can see you can manifest physically, then it will become reality" - Macka B From james at dis-dot-dat.net Sun Oct 15 18:56:26 2006 From: james at dis-dot-dat.net (james@dis-dot-dat.net) Date: Mon Oct 16 11:04:55 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [hit] new tune In-Reply-To: <200610142212.06170.rj@spamatica.se> References: <200610141442.13290.rj@spamatica.se> <20061014140626.GB5391@charly.SWORD> <20061014162750.7e6dac8d@localhost> <200610142212.06170.rj@spamatica.se> Message-ID: <20061015225626.GA1377@fitz.Belkin> I *like* the bassiness. It goes "thwum thwum thwumthwumdum dum dum Dang g-darngh!" Seriously, though: I loved this track as soon as it started. It's got a really nice feel. James On Sat, 14 Oct, 2006 at 10:12PM +0200, Robert Jonsson spake thus: > On Saturday 14 October 2006 17:27, Folderol wrote: > > On Sat, 14 Oct 2006 16:06:27 +0200 > > > > Thorsten Wilms wrote: > > > On Sat, Oct 14, 2006 at 02:42:12PM +0200, Robert Jonsson wrote: > > > > http://spamatica.se/music/spamatica/default/spamatica_-_one_hit_wonder1 > > > >.2.ogg > > New one > http://spamatica.se/music/spamatica/default/spamatica_-_one_hit_wonder1.3.ogg > > > > > Sounds very 60s :) > > it does?? :-) one hit wonder ay? ;) > > > > > > My first impression was: Wow! > > > Followed by noticing that overly strong bass attenuation again, > > > trouble understanding a word and thinking the singer hides behind > > > effects a bit much ;) > > > > > > Please up the vocals quite some. > > Trying. Though the effects are nonnegotiable ;) > > > > I pretty much agree here. How do you check levels? Bass in particular > > can be very sensitive to amp quality, and you need to keep in mind many > > of your listeners will be hearing it on computer speakers, portables > > etc. > > I think I need an ear calibration... as you know this isn't my first offence. > I do indeed like it a bit bassy, I guess my monitors are forgiving in that it > does not sound bad. I think I'll try to find some computer speakers for > comparison. > > > > > > At 3:15 I had the feeling it's running out of steam a bit ... > > > and then it was over, so the lenght is allright. > > > > Yep agree here too > > Indeed it does, a bit too soon.. > > /Robert > > > > > > I think you should try running the drums, especialy the snare, > > > through tube warmth or a tube amp for more presence and some > > > dirt. > > > > Here we differ, I thought the percussion was OK! > > > From b0ef at esben-stien.name Mon Oct 16 00:27:34 2006 From: b0ef at esben-stien.name (Esben Stien) Date: Mon Oct 16 11:07:40 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Display audio input as waveform In-Reply-To: <452F7D67.3010904@linuxuse.de> (Hartmut Noack's message of "Fri, 13 Oct 2006 13:49:59 +0200") References: <200610121705.05030.dominic.sacre@gmx.de> <8d27a0610610121028v57f43f3cr99297caa23ff5c4b@mail.gmail.com> <200610122140.42163@goldspace.net> <200610131211.45724.dominic.sacre@gmx.de> <452F7D67.3010904@linuxuse.de> Message-ID: <87fydolwax.fsf@esben-stien.name> Hartmut Noack writes: > A configurable realtimedisplay can be built using ams (alsa modular > synth). If I set the window higher than 600ms it segfaults. I was thinking more of a window with 30 seconds or maybe a minute. It also updates the display very slow. Using freewheeling for this works perfect, but you need the whole of freewheeling loaded. I've sent a mail to the list about ripping out the oscrolloscope (dave-robillards' name for it) and it will happen at some point, eventually. -- Esben Stien is b0ef@e s a http://www. s t n m irc://irc. b - i . e/%23contact sip:b0ef@ e e jid:b0ef@ n n From tech at glastonburymusic.org.uk Mon Oct 16 08:37:20 2006 From: tech at glastonburymusic.org.uk (tim hall) Date: Mon Oct 16 11:17:59 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Audio Promotion In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200610161337.20749.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> On Saturday 14 October 2006 14:37, Carlo Capocasa was like: > Strongly looking into the "Free" business (yes, I said 'free' AND > 'business') I ran across a world called "Second Life". Yeah, seen it. Not compatible with life in the so-called 'real' world. -- cheers, tim hall http://glastonburymusic.org.uk/tim We are the people We've been waiting for. From tech at glastonburymusic.org.uk Mon Oct 16 08:44:49 2006 From: tech at glastonburymusic.org.uk (tim hall) Date: Mon Oct 16 11:18:11 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Audio Promotion In-Reply-To: <200610141647.27513.lau@kudla.org> References: <200610142157.51103.rj@spamatica.se> <200610141647.27513.lau@kudla.org> Message-ID: <200610161344.49448.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> On Saturday 14 October 2006 21:47, Rob was like: > I can't compete with people who can afford to just > buy themselves everything in SL. ? Aye, there's the rub. Similarly to the LETS trading system it doesn't really challenge the Status Quo much. In fact they could virtually continue touring forever using this technology. ;) Whatever you want ... -- cheers, tim hall http://glastonburymusic.org.uk/tim We are the people We've been waiting for. From folderol at ukfsn.org Mon Oct 16 13:53:50 2006 From: folderol at ukfsn.org (Folderol) Date: Mon Oct 16 15:42:20 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [hit] new tune In-Reply-To: <20061015225626.GA1377@fitz.Belkin> References: <200610141442.13290.rj@spamatica.se> <20061014140626.GB5391@charly.SWORD> <20061014162750.7e6dac8d@localhost> <200610142212.06170.rj@spamatica.se> <20061015225626.GA1377@fitz.Belkin> Message-ID: <20061016185350.6a2ef1d7@localhost> On Sun, 15 Oct 2006 23:56:26 +0100 james@dis-dot-dat.net wrote: > I *like* the bassiness. > > It goes "thwum thwum thwumthwumdum dum dum Dang g-darngh!" It does now. Previously it went: "thw thw thmwmdm dm dm dng g,drh?" > Seriously, though: I loved this track as soon as it started. It's got > a really nice feel. > > James Vocals much better now too. It's in my 'others' directory on my iRiver. -- Will J G From folderol at ukfsn.org Mon Oct 16 16:25:03 2006 From: folderol at ukfsn.org (Folderol) Date: Mon Oct 16 16:52:39 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Good News About Realtime Kernel As Standard In-Reply-To: References: <45316320.1000300@tiscali.co.uk> <20061014232906.463dc931@localhost> Message-ID: <20061016212503.42a24ae2@localhost> On Sun, 15 Oct 2006 08:49:41 +0200 Nicola Larosa wrote: > > guy wrote: > >> Its looking promising > >> > >> http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS9566944929.html > > Folderol wrote: > > Hey! No Fair! I put this up before you did. How come your posting time > > is lower than mine :( > > No, it's not. Folderol's mail has this header: > > > Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2006 23:20:06 +0100 > > while guy's one has this: > > > Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2006 23:22:24 +0100 Oh that's alright then :) Actually I didn't think to look at the headers. I went by the order they arrived in my in-box. ... I'll get my coat. -- Will J G From folderol at ukfsn.org Mon Oct 16 16:26:09 2006 From: folderol at ukfsn.org (Folderol) Date: Mon Oct 16 16:54:04 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] New web site - new track In-Reply-To: <20061014161328.GB11024@localhost> References: <20061012220330.GZ4025@localhost> <20061014163535.221758d5@localhost> <20061014161328.GB11024@localhost> Message-ID: <20061016212609.3302582d@localhost> On Sat, 14 Oct 2006 18:13:28 +0200 yves@jazzcomputer.org (Yves Potin) wrote: > Le 14 Oct ? 16:35, Folderol ecrivait: > > > Just listened to 'breathes' and I think it is excellent. Definitely a > > keeper. The only (very minor) criticism is that I think the intro is a > > bit overlong. > > > Thank you very much, you and Gavin, for your hearing and your > comments. Yes, I agree that the intro is too long, or too monotonous. I'll > try to introduce a completely other sound instead of the second cycle of > ring modulator effects, in the next version. > Cheers, > > Y. I'll be looking out for it :) -- Will J G From folderol at ukfsn.org Mon Oct 16 16:37:06 2006 From: folderol at ukfsn.org (Folderol) Date: Mon Oct 16 17:00:13 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Dave's Prelude In-Reply-To: <4530C5C1.4020300@woh.rr.com> References: <20061014003019.6d6652b0@localhost> <4530C5C1.4020300@woh.rr.com> Message-ID: <20061016213706.6677ff61@localhost> On Sat, 14 Oct 2006 07:10:57 -0400 Dave Phillips wrote: > Gavin Stevens wrote: > > >I must've downloaded Dave Phillips' Prelude a while ago & then not listened to it. > > > >Finally corrected that oversight & greatly enjoyed it - nice harmonies. > >In fact, a piece with a quiet, almost veiled beauty. I wonder if it > >would work on an acoustic piano (although it sounds nice with the bell piano)? > > > >Thanks Dave - I look forward to more. > > > Thanks for listening to my music, Gavin, I'm glad you enjoyed it. > > That piece was written specifically for an electric piano sound on my > Yamaha TX802, it wasn't really made with a regular piano sound in mind. > No reason not to try it though. :) I think anyone recording piano pieces is very brave! I know, from my childhood piano lesson days, it is a particularly unforgiving instrument - probably why it is so often used for teaching. 't boy dun well. To any other keyboard users, if you want to find out exactly how bad your timing is, or how weak the melody, change the voices to piano - best have a stiff drink handy :/ -- Will J G From pw_lists at slinkp.com Mon Oct 16 17:12:05 2006 From: pw_lists at slinkp.com (Paul Winkler) Date: Mon Oct 16 17:26:02 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [hit] new tune In-Reply-To: <200610142212.06170.rj@spamatica.se> References: <200610141442.13290.rj@spamatica.se> <20061014140626.GB5391@charly.SWORD> <20061014162750.7e6dac8d@localhost> <200610142212.06170.rj@spamatica.se> Message-ID: <20061016211205.GA11683@slinkp.com> On Sat, Oct 14, 2006 at 10:12:05PM +0200, Robert Jonsson wrote: > On Saturday 14 October 2006 17:27, Folderol wrote: > > On Sat, 14 Oct 2006 16:06:27 +0200 > > > > Thorsten Wilms wrote: > > > On Sat, Oct 14, 2006 at 02:42:12PM +0200, Robert Jonsson wrote: > > > > http://spamatica.se/music/spamatica/default/spamatica_-_one_hit_wonder1 > > > >.2.ogg > > New one > http://spamatica.se/music/spamatica/default/spamatica_-_one_hit_wonder1.3.ogg That's hysterical. Mix sounds great in my headphones (AKG K240). Very nice guitar and bass sounds, care to explain how you recorded those? Drums are odd: they sound like samples (almost impossible to avoid without using a real drummer IMO), but the timing has some human roughness to it - which overall I like a lot, but there are some fills where the drummer seems to be a bit drunk :) Appropriate for the style though. -- Paul Winkler http://www.slinkp.com From yves at jazzcomputer.org Mon Oct 16 17:38:25 2006 From: yves at jazzcomputer.org (Yves Potin) Date: Mon Oct 16 17:42:57 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] New web site - new track In-Reply-To: <20061016212609.3302582d@localhost> References: <20061012220330.GZ4025@localhost> <20061014163535.221758d5@localhost> <20061014161328.GB11024@localhost> <20061016212609.3302582d@localhost> Message-ID: <20061016213825.GC11024@localhost> Le 16 Oct ? 21:26, Folderol ecrivait: > I'll be looking out for it :) http://download.jazzcomputer.org/picklejar/breathes3.ogg :) It's greatly modified, and gives and idea about how one of Patrick Shirkey's screenshots sound like :). Y. From hardbop200 at gmail.com Mon Oct 16 17:45:31 2006 From: hardbop200 at gmail.com (Josh Lawrence) Date: Mon Oct 16 17:47:22 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [hit] new tune In-Reply-To: <20061016211205.GA11683@slinkp.com> References: <200610141442.13290.rj@spamatica.se> <20061014140626.GB5391@charly.SWORD> <20061014162750.7e6dac8d@localhost> <200610142212.06170.rj@spamatica.se> <20061016211205.GA11683@slinkp.com> Message-ID: On 10/16/06, Paul Winkler wrote: > That's hysterical. Mix sounds great in my headphones (AKG K240). Seriously though, I've been in bands like this. I see my therapist regularly now. :) -- Josh Lawrence http://www.hardbop200.com From dplist at free.fr Mon Oct 16 18:01:28 2006 From: dplist at free.fr (David) Date: Mon Oct 16 18:01:28 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [hit] new tune In-Reply-To: <200610142212.06170.rj@spamatica.se> References: <200610141442.13290.rj@spamatica.se> <20061014140626.GB5391@charly.SWORD> <20061014162750.7e6dac8d@localhost> <200610142212.06170.rj@spamatica.se> Message-ID: <20061017000128.71fe4741.dplist@free.fr> On Sat, 14 Oct 2006 22:12:05 +0200 Robert Jonsson wrote: > New one > http://spamatica.se/music/spamatica/default/spamatica_-_one_hit_wonder1.3.ogg Am I the only one to actually _hear_ the brutal limiting on this ? Is that the ogg encoding or have you played with the peak chainsaw ? I can hear clicks throughout the song and looking at the waveform in rezound or mhwavedit confirms what my ears told me. But the raw power of rock is there, no doubt ! :) Thanks for sharing. -- David From atte.jensen at gmail.com Mon Oct 16 18:34:16 2006 From: atte.jensen at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Atte_Andr=E9_Jensen?=) Date: Mon Oct 16 18:34:27 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Focusrite Saffire Pro 26 I/O Message-ID: <453408E8.4020100@gmail.com> Hi I'm interested in a 8-ch in sound card with preamps. Does anyone know if the Focusrite Saffire Pro 26 I/O is working under linux? Seems like a nice price... -- peace, love & harmony Atte http://www.atte.dk | quintet: http://www.anagrammer.dk | compositions: http://www.atte.dk/compositions From markknecht at gmail.com Mon Oct 16 19:33:40 2006 From: markknecht at gmail.com (Mark Knecht) Date: Mon Oct 16 19:33:52 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Focusrite Saffire Pro 26 I/O In-Reply-To: <453408E8.4020100@gmail.com> References: <453408E8.4020100@gmail.com> Message-ID: <5bdc1c8b0610161633r5b9f7185yff534e726a7687cd@mail.gmail.com> Atte, Since it's 1394-based you'll find the best info on the FreeBob list. Good luck, Mark On 10/16/06, Atte Andr? Jensen wrote: > Hi > > I'm interested in a 8-ch in sound card with preamps. Does anyone know if > the Focusrite Saffire Pro 26 I/O is working under linux? Seems like a > nice price... > > -- > peace, love & harmony > Atte > > http://www.atte.dk | quintet: http://www.anagrammer.dk > | compositions: http://www.atte.dk/compositions > From zipkes at yahoo.co.uk Mon Oct 16 21:05:11 2006 From: zipkes at yahoo.co.uk (Rik Baeten) Date: Mon Oct 16 20:48:59 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] freebob hw support Message-ID: <1161047111.5242.68.camel@zon> Hello, For firewire audio cards like the Presonus Firebox (or FA-101, Quatafire, Phase 88): Are the following features already supported by freeBoB or is it possible that they will be supported somewhere in the future: 1) "zero-latency support" - Does freeBoB support the zero latency DSP mixer to mix live input audio streams with the software output stream? 2) control panel compatibility - Can I set the different special features in the software, like: - +12 dB input level boost - Choose clock source 3) audio patching and mixing - I suppose I can do everything with jack. 4) typical latency - Is the smallest latency without xruns (fast enough computer with real-time kernel) considerably different with any of these devices? Any figures? thanks! -- Rik Baeten http://www.ikrik.org From loki.davison at gmail.com Tue Oct 17 01:25:49 2006 From: loki.davison at gmail.com (Loki Davison) Date: Tue Oct 17 01:34:57 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] ot-ish : trackballs In-Reply-To: <70a871c80610120419o7cf62f92xe28de159bb5b6c0d@mail.gmail.com> References: <452D4A6A.90002@gmail.com> <452D6AB3.1030509@luukku.com> <70a871c80610120419o7cf62f92xe28de159bb5b6c0d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On 10/12/06, Dmitry Baikov wrote: > On 10/12/06, Loki Davison wrote: > > though... The ball being a scroll wheel on clicking 4th button thing > > is pretty awesome too, and quite easy to set up with minor xorg > > effort. > > Can you, please, post xorg options? > > Thanks. > > Dmitry. > Sorry for slow reply, I don't have net access at the moment and I have to send this from i library with windoze machines!! Look at the details on this link, works well for me http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?s=aa450cb48032dc5db55fd0a8cc55637a&t=169423 Loki From pieterp at joow.be Tue Oct 17 07:18:41 2006 From: pieterp at joow.be (Pieter Palmers) Date: Tue Oct 17 07:18:54 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] freebob hw support In-Reply-To: <1161047111.5242.68.camel@zon> References: <1161047111.5242.68.camel@zon> Message-ID: <4534BC11.3020403@joow.be> Rik Baeten wrote: > Hello, > > For firewire audio cards like the Presonus Firebox (or FA-101, > Quatafire, Phase 88): > > Are the following features already supported by freeBoB or is it > possible that they will be supported somewhere in the future: > > 1) "zero-latency support" - Does freeBoB support the zero latency DSP > mixer to mix live input audio streams with the software output stream? > > 2) control panel compatibility - Can I set the different special > features in the software, like: > - +12 dB input level boost > - Choose clock source > Both mixer and control panel are not supported yet, and won't be in the 1.0 release. We are working on this for the next release. I suspect that there will be a lot of progress when LAC07 appears at the horizon ;) > 3) audio patching and mixing - I suppose I can do everything with jack. > Audio IO with jack is supported. > 4) typical latency - Is the smallest latency without xruns (fast enough > computer with real-time kernel) considerably different with any of these > devices? Any figures? > 5 to 7ms roundtrip. Depends on the sample rate. We are going to release Freebob 1.0 this week. As a matter of fact, 1.0 is already available for download, the only thing left to do is to write a decent release note. I'll try and include a detailed feature list. Greets, Pieter Palmers From shahn at cs.tu-berlin.de Tue Oct 17 07:32:00 2006 From: shahn at cs.tu-berlin.de (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?S=F6nke_Hahn?=) Date: Tue Oct 17 07:32:15 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Mainstream Real Time In-Reply-To: <20061014232006.4f06d43b@localhost> References: <20061014232006.4f06d43b@localhost> Message-ID: <4534BF30.6070900@cs.tu-berlin.de> Okay, i'm answering this mail, because Folderol sent it first ;) A friend of mine patched a 2.6.18 kernel with Ingo Molnars patches. If you look at Molnar's site, there are still patches for that version. Am i missing something important in the article? Were the former 2.6.18 versions unpatched and the newer ones are? Soenke Folderol wrote: > Some of you might be interested in this. > > http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS9566944929.html > From pcoccoli at gmail.com Tue Oct 17 09:50:56 2006 From: pcoccoli at gmail.com (Paul Coccoli) Date: Tue Oct 17 09:51:07 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Mainstream Real Time In-Reply-To: <20061014232006.4f06d43b@localhost> References: <20061014232006.4f06d43b@localhost> Message-ID: <8d27a0610610170650w3f2cca2dsf0f3fede7580c5b4@mail.gmail.com> On 10/14/06, Folderol wrote: > Some of you might be interested in this. > > http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS9566944929.html > > -- > Will J G > Does anybody know what the TimeSys patches actually do? All this article really says is that they provide additional "real-time technology." Do they add APIs? Do they reduce the maximum latency of system calls? Are they useful at all for DAWs? All I can find on their website is: Kernel Patches * Processor-specific patches * KGDB support patches * Memory Technology Device (MTD) fixes * Miscellaneous small fixes * Cygwin-specific patches Doesn't sound very useful, except to embedded developers. From rlrevell at joe-job.com Tue Oct 17 10:45:33 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Tue Oct 17 10:46:27 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Mainstream Real Time In-Reply-To: <4534BF30.6070900@cs.tu-berlin.de> References: <20061014232006.4f06d43b@localhost> <4534BF30.6070900@cs.tu-berlin.de> Message-ID: <1161096334.2919.55.camel@mindpipe> On Tue, 2006-10-17 at 13:32 +0200, S?nke Hahn wrote: > Okay, i'm answering this mail, because Folderol sent it first ;) > > A friend of mine patched a 2.6.18 kernel with Ingo Molnars patches. If > you look at Molnar's site, there are still patches for that version. Am > i missing something important in the article? Were the former 2.6.18 > versions unpatched and the newer ones are? The realtime patches will be gradually merged into the mainline kernel starting with 2.6.18. It can't just all go in at once. So there's still an -rt patch for 2.6.18, and there will be one for the next few versions. But they should get smaller. Lee From rsjtaylor at gmail.com Tue Oct 17 12:30:41 2006 From: rsjtaylor at gmail.com (Richard Taylor) Date: Tue Oct 17 12:33:57 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Focusrite Saffire Pro 26 I/O In-Reply-To: <453408E8.4020100@gmail.com> References: <453408E8.4020100@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4a29da9d0610170930gba71db1t66dfdca1c914ebf4@mail.gmail.com> I've got one of these and have been experementing, so far i've managed to get it to play through the analog outs, but haven't got further in my testing then that so not sure if recording or the digital stuff works. I'd guess that recording will and ADAT etc.. wont as you have to use the control panel to get at these under xp/osx but that is a complete guess. Don't have time to fiddle right now but will keep you posted. On 16/10/06, Atte Andr? Jensen wrote: > Hi > > I'm interested in a 8-ch in sound card with preamps. Does anyone know if > the Focusrite Saffire Pro 26 I/O is working under linux? Seems like a > nice price... > > -- > peace, love & harmony > Atte > > http://www.atte.dk | quintet: http://www.anagrammer.dk > | compositions: http://www.atte.dk/compositions > From hans at fugal.net Tue Oct 17 12:55:35 2006 From: hans at fugal.net (Hans Fugal) Date: Tue Oct 17 12:56:05 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] ICMC 2006 Message-ID: <20061017165535.GB23299@falcon.fugal.net> Is anybody else headed to New Orleans in a few weeks? It would be fun to get together. http://icmc2006.org/ -- Hans Fugal ; http://hans.fugal.net There's nothing remarkable about it. All one has to do is hit the right keys at the right time and the instrument plays itself. -- Johann Sebastian Bach -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Digital signature Url : http://music.columbia.edu/pipermail/linux-audio-user/attachments/20061017/b90d0a05/attachment.bin From ico at vt.edu Tue Oct 17 14:01:48 2006 From: ico at vt.edu (Ivica Ico Bukvic) Date: Tue Oct 17 14:02:00 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] ICMC 2006 In-Reply-To: <20061017165535.GB23299@falcon.fugal.net> Message-ID: <001201c6f216$511bda60$d3c752c6@64BitBadass> I'll be there. Best wishes, Ico > -----Original Message----- > From: linux-audio-user-bounces@music.columbia.edu [mailto:linux-audio- > user-bounces@music.columbia.edu] On Behalf Of Hans Fugal > Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2006 12:56 PM > To: A list for linux audio users > Subject: [linux-audio-user] ICMC 2006 > > Is anybody else headed to New Orleans in a few weeks? It would be fun to > get together. > > http://icmc2006.org/ > > -- > Hans Fugal ; http://hans.fugal.net > > There's nothing remarkable about it. All one has to do is hit the > right keys at the right time and the instrument plays itself. > -- Johann Sebastian Bach From kouhia at nic.funet.fi Tue Oct 17 14:04:46 2006 From: kouhia at nic.funet.fi (Juhana Sadeharju) Date: Tue Oct 17 14:04:57 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Display audio input as waveform Message-ID: >From: Dominic Sacr? > >But during recording Ardour is not very useful for this, because the >waveform is only displayed in chunks of one second or something, and it >wraps around every time the play head reaches the right edge of the >window. So, the playhead/recordhead stays fixed at the screen, the waveform moves continuously pixel-by-pixel, and new waveform pixels appear immediately. Fairlight and many other professional software works the same way: the playhead stays fixed at the screen. Perhaps Ardour should have such a waveform mode. Juhana -- http://music.columbia.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-graphics-dev for developers of open source graphics software From folderol at ukfsn.org Tue Oct 17 14:09:57 2006 From: folderol at ukfsn.org (Folderol) Date: Tue Oct 17 14:07:39 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] ICMC 2006 In-Reply-To: <20061017165535.GB23299@falcon.fugal.net> References: <20061017165535.GB23299@falcon.fugal.net> Message-ID: <20061017190957.01e4cbc3@localhost> On Tue, 17 Oct 2006 10:55:35 -0600 Hans Fugal wrote: > Is anybody else headed to New Orleans in a few weeks? It would be fun to > get together. > > http://icmc2006.org/ Wrong continent :( -- Will J G From atte.jensen at gmail.com Tue Oct 17 15:08:36 2006 From: atte.jensen at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Atte_Andr=E9_Jensen?=) Date: Tue Oct 17 15:08:48 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Focusrite Saffire Pro 26 I/O In-Reply-To: <4a29da9d0610170930gba71db1t66dfdca1c914ebf4@mail.gmail.com> References: <453408E8.4020100@gmail.com> <4a29da9d0610170930gba71db1t66dfdca1c914ebf4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <45352A34.8020702@gmail.com> Richard Taylor wrote: > Don't have time to fiddle right now but will keep you > posted. Thanks for the info. Sounds promissing. Looking forward to hear about further investigations. -- peace, love & harmony Atte http://www.atte.dk | quintet: http://www.anagrammer.dk | compositions: http://www.atte.dk/compositions From paul at linuxaudiosystems.com Tue Oct 17 15:34:29 2006 From: paul at linuxaudiosystems.com (Paul Davis) Date: Tue Oct 17 16:03:13 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Display audio input as waveform In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1161113669.17041.77.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Tue, 2006-10-17 at 21:04 +0300, Juhana Sadeharju wrote: > >From: Dominic Sacr? > > > >But during recording Ardour is not very useful for this, because the > >waveform is only displayed in chunks of one second or something, and it > >wraps around every time the play head reaches the right edge of the > >window. > > So, the playhead/recordhead stays fixed at the screen, the waveform > moves continuously pixel-by-pixel, and new waveform pixels appear > immediately. Fairlight and many other professional software works > the same way: the playhead stays fixed at the screen. > > Perhaps Ardour should have such a waveform mode. how much work do you think it is to redraw a 16 pixel wide vertical rectangle as the playhead moves, versus redrawing almost every pixel in every track as the waveform scrolls? do you want to waste those cycles? oh, and at the last AES convention, the Fairlight booth was more or less deserted despite being filled with some very cool looking gear. --p From carotinobg at yahoo.it Wed Oct 18 17:38:23 2006 From: carotinobg at yahoo.it (Carotinho) Date: Tue Oct 17 17:37:21 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Audio appz and slamd64 In-Reply-To: <20061016213825.GC11024@localhost> References: <20061012220330.GZ4025@localhost> <20061016212609.3302582d@localhost> <20061016213825.GC11024@localhost> Message-ID: <200610182338.23992.carotinobg@yahoo.it> Hi everybody! Since I bought a 64bit processor, I decided to try a 64 bit distro, and decided to use slamd64, as I'm a Slackware user:) I've incurred in the bug while compiling rosegarden, because the QT package was compiled without stl support. So I upgraded, and rosegarden compiled fine. But it doesn't run: Segmentation Fault. I don't really know how to debug or trace the error, and besides the forums at slamd64.com are down for server problems. Other problem is Zynaddsubfx, the compiling process fails early complaining about In file included from ../Params/Presets.h:26, from PresetsUI.h:9, from PresetsUI.cc:3: ../Params/../Misc/XMLwrapper.h:23:18: mxml.h: No such file or directory and other errors related to XMLwrapper. All the required libs have been installed succesfully, as much as I can tell. Even libdvdcss complains: it can't find the gcc compiler... how come that? Does something of you incurred in similar errors, and/or may suggest a solution? thanks in advance! Carotinho Chiacchiera con i tuoi amici in tempo reale! http://it.yahoo.com/mail_it/foot/*http://it.messenger.yahoo.com From _ at whats-your.name Tue Oct 17 17:42:38 2006 From: _ at whats-your.name (carmen) Date: Tue Oct 17 17:42:40 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Audio appz and slamd64 In-Reply-To: <200610182338.23992.carotinobg@yahoo.it> References: <20061012220330.GZ4025@localhost> <20061016212609.3302582d@localhost> <20061016213825.GC11024@localhost> <200610182338.23992.carotinobg@yahoo.it> Message-ID: <20061017214238.GB2551@replic.net> On Wed Oct 18, 2006 at 11:38:23PM +0200, Carotinho wrote: > Hi everybody! > > Since I bought a 64bit processor, I decided to try a 64 bit distro, and > decided to use slamd64, as I'm a Slackware user:) > I've incurred in the bug while compiling rosegarden, because the QT package > was compiled without stl support. So I upgraded, and rosegarden compiled > fine. But it doesn't run: Segmentation Fault. I don't really know how to > debug or trace the error, and besides the forums at slamd64.com are down for > server problems. > > Other problem is Zynaddsubfx, the compiling process fails early complaining > about > > In file included from ../Params/Presets.h:26, > from PresetsUI.h:9, > from PresetsUI.cc:3: > ../Params/../Misc/XMLwrapper.h:23:18: mxml.h: No such file or directory > > and other errors related to XMLwrapper. All the required libs have been > installed succesfully, as much as I can tell. > > Even libdvdcss complains: it can't find the gcc compiler... how come that? > > Does something of you incurred in similar errors, and/or may suggest a > solution? sure. they look like the kind of errors i'd run into when compiing inux software on MinGW (GCC on windows) id try fixing your toolchain and fixing broken packages (if you want to help out slam64). or switch distro, if you just waht stuff to work. afaik i emerged rosegarden zynaddsubfx and they work fine here on amd64, and it required no effort..on gentoo. im guessing theyre both debuntu packages as wel.. > > thanks in advance! > > Carotinho > Chiacchiera con i tuoi amici in tempo reale! > http://it.yahoo.com/mail_it/foot/*http://it.messenger.yahoo.com > From carotinobg at yahoo.it Wed Oct 18 18:04:06 2006 From: carotinobg at yahoo.it (Carotinho) Date: Tue Oct 17 18:03:29 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Audio appz and slamd64 In-Reply-To: <20061017214238.GB2551@replic.net> References: <20061012220330.GZ4025@localhost> <200610182338.23992.carotinobg@yahoo.it> <20061017214238.GB2551@replic.net> Message-ID: <200610190004.06162.carotinobg@yahoo.it> Hi! Alle 23:42, marted? 17 ottobre 2006, carmen ha scritto: > id try fixing your toolchain and fixing broken packages (if you want to > help out slam64). I'll do it as soon as their forums are up again...! But how it is possible that other things works fine, and some not? > or switch distro, if you just waht stuff to work. afaik i > emerged rosegarden zynaddsubfx and they work fine here on amd64, and it > required no effort..on gentoo. im guessing theyre both debuntu packages as > wel.. No no no, I'm a Slackware loyalist:) I want it to run on Slackware:) I already feel guilty because slamd64 is not an official port of Slackware:) As I said, I would ask on slamd64 forums, if they were up... Byez! Carotinho Chiacchiera con i tuoi amici in tempo reale! http://it.yahoo.com/mail_it/foot/*http://it.messenger.yahoo.com From ce at christeck.de Tue Oct 17 19:07:44 2006 From: ce at christeck.de (Christoph Eckert) Date: Tue Oct 17 19:07:30 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [ANN] Simple Sysexxer 0.1.1 Message-ID: <200610180107.44232.ce@christeck.de> Hi all, first my apologies for cross-posting (TM) :) . This is a wee small bugfix release of Simple Sysexxer. It now should build without needing Qt debug libs installed. As I didn't get any feedback since the first release (neither success stories nor complaints), I'd like to encourage anyone to send feedback or bug reports. Simple Sysexxer is a tool to exchange sysex data with MIDI devices, e.g. to do backups of the device's memory contents or to send presets loaded from the web. Advantages: * (Hopefully) easy to use graphical user interface * True ALSA sequencer support * Built using Qt, no KDE dependency at all * Minor changes to the source should make it run on Mac OS X or even Windows Disadvantages: * Requires Qt4 and will *not* build against Qt3 * No JACK MIDI support :) * No OSS support * No prebuilt binaries available Information and source download: http://www.christeck.de Enjoy, ce From linuxuadio at rytmisk.net Tue Oct 17 18:33:57 2006 From: linuxuadio at rytmisk.net (Ketil Thorgersen) Date: Tue Oct 17 20:38:14 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] VST API license In-Reply-To: <003a01c6e706$72a12020$0502a8c0@64BitBadass> References: <003a01c6e706$72a12020$0502a8c0@64BitBadass> Message-ID: <45355A55.6010605@rytmisk.net> Ivica Ico Bukvic wrote: > Hi all, > > I am in the process of considering to, on behalf of Linuxaudio.org, > negotiate with Steinberg possible change of VST API license in order to > allow its easier adoption within Linux LGPL/GPL environment. As Daniel has > already pointed out, with Yamaha now owning Steinberg, we ought to have a > better chance at making this a reality. > Hi How are you doing? THis is important!! KEtil From ico at vt.edu Tue Oct 17 20:45:18 2006 From: ico at vt.edu (Ivica Ico Bukvic) Date: Tue Oct 17 20:45:30 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] VST API license In-Reply-To: <45355A55.6010605@rytmisk.net> Message-ID: <000801c6f24e$af992ce0$0302a8c0@64BitBadass> I am still in the process of collecting "data," as it appears that Paul and his current employer are trying to do the same and there might be others as well. It is likely that we will have to coordinate efforts among different entities, or (preferably) use one of these entities as our "official" representative for this cause (but this is obviously something that has to be agreed upon by the involved parties). Hope this helps! Best wishes, Ico > -----Original Message----- > From: linux-audio-user-bounces@music.columbia.edu [mailto:linux-audio- > user-bounces@music.columbia.edu] On Behalf Of Ketil Thorgersen > Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2006 6:34 PM > To: A list for linux audio users > Subject: Re: [linux-audio-user] VST API license > > Ivica Ico Bukvic wrote: > > Hi all, > > > > I am in the process of considering to, on behalf of Linuxaudio.org, > > negotiate with Steinberg possible change of VST API license in order to > > allow its easier adoption within Linux LGPL/GPL environment. As Daniel > has > > already pointed out, with Yamaha now owning Steinberg, we ought to have > a > > better chance at making this a reality. > > > Hi > > How are you doing? THis is important!! > > KEtil From atte.jensen at gmail.com Wed Oct 18 05:30:37 2006 From: atte.jensen at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Atte_Andr=E9_Jensen?=) Date: Wed Oct 18 05:30:50 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] mixdown, ardour + soft synths Message-ID: <4535F43D.3000608@gmail.com> Hi I have some projects that uses some soft synths (zyn, amsynth, specimen) for sound generation and ardour for vocals etc. When I want to mixdown everything to a single stereo .wav I normally fire up mhwaveedit, connect the relevant outputs to its inputs, start recording in mhwaveedit and playback the project. Although this works ok, I'd like to get a recording that is *exactly* in sync with my project, mainly for sending the resulting mixdown to others, so that they can import it, add a track, mixdown their addition, send it back to me and it will sync up with my project when importet. Is this possible, and if so what are my options? -- peace, love & harmony Atte http://www.atte.dk | quintet: http://www.anagrammer.dk | compositions: http://www.atte.dk/compositions From t_w_ at freenet.de Wed Oct 18 05:43:29 2006 From: t_w_ at freenet.de (Thorsten Wilms) Date: Wed Oct 18 05:43:47 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] mixdown, ardour + soft synths In-Reply-To: <4535F43D.3000608@gmail.com> References: <4535F43D.3000608@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20061018094329.GA5461@charly.SWORD> On Wed, Oct 18, 2006 at 11:30:37AM +0200, Atte Andr? Jensen wrote: > > I have some projects that uses some soft synths (zyn, amsynth, specimen) > for sound generation and ardour for vocals etc. When I want to mixdown > everything to a single stereo .wav I normally fire up mhwaveedit, > connect the relevant outputs to its inputs, start recording in > mhwaveedit and playback the project. > > Although this works ok, I'd like to get a recording that is *exactly* in > sync with my project, mainly for sending the resulting mixdown to > others, so that they can import it, add a track, mixdown their addition, > send it back to me and it will sync up with my project when importet. Hi Atte! Not sure what you mean with "in sync with my project" exactly, but how about recording to single tracks in Ardour and mixdown from there? If someone else adds a track based on your mixdown, he could sent the addition back, not a new mixdown. More flexibility, less degradation if you use lossy encoding. But consider using wavpack for not having to change bit depth. -- Thorsten Wilms From atte.jensen at gmail.com Wed Oct 18 06:08:29 2006 From: atte.jensen at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Atte_Andr=E9_Jensen?=) Date: Wed Oct 18 06:08:43 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] mixdown, ardour + soft synths In-Reply-To: <20061018094329.GA5461@charly.SWORD> References: <4535F43D.3000608@gmail.com> <20061018094329.GA5461@charly.SWORD> Message-ID: <4535FD1D.20404@gmail.com> Thorsten Wilms wrote: > Not sure what you mean with "in sync with my project" exactly, Ok, let me elaborate a bit with an example then. Say I wrote a song with sounds coming from zyn/specimen and cue vocal/acoustic guitar coming from ardour. I generate two .wav's of my song, one with and one without my cue vocal. I send the files to a real singer, who imports the non-vocal-infected version in cubase, records her vocals (one mono track) and sends the new vocal-only file to me. I import the file in ardour and now without any tweaking the vocal should line up (time wise) with the music "in sync". > but > how about recording to single tracks in Ardour and mixdown from there? You mean recording all my soft synths into ardour and doing a mixdown there? First it's a bit cumbersome to record the synths, and this would only serve the purpose of the mixdown, since I really like having the synths running along in realtime so that they can be modified at all times during the process. Secondly I'm actually not sure exactly how to mixdown a project to a stereo track in ardour. Would I have to create a stereo track, connect all tracks output to the new tracks ins, press record and let the entire project play/record in realtime? I was hoping for an "offline" mixdown so that I don't have to 1) connect and 2) wait for 5 mins (provided the song is 5 mins)... > If someone else adds a track based on your mixdown, he could sent > the addition back, not a new mixdown. Sure, what I meant was that the new track might consist of multiple tracks/takes whatever. Of course music should not be included in this mixdown, only the additional tracks. And in case of more tracks added more files should be generated, each containing what should become one track in ardour. > But consider using wavpack for not having to change bit depth. I never heard about that before, looks promising. Will try it out to see if my windows friends can figure out how to use it. Regarding bit depth, I'm not even sure what bit depth/sample rate they use... How much compression can be expected with wavpack? -- peace, love & harmony Atte http://www.atte.dk | quintet: http://www.anagrammer.dk | compositions: http://www.atte.dk/compositions From pshirkey at boosthardware.com Wed Oct 18 06:57:23 2006 From: pshirkey at boosthardware.com (Patrick Shirkey) Date: Wed Oct 18 06:57:54 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] mixdown, ardour + soft synths In-Reply-To: <4535FD1D.20404@gmail.com> References: <4535F43D.3000608@gmail.com> <20061018094329.GA5461@charly.SWORD> <4535FD1D.20404@gmail.com> Message-ID: <45360893.6060608@boosthardware.com> Atte Andr? Jensen wrote: > > Say I wrote a song with sounds coming from zyn/specimen and cue > vocal/acoustic guitar coming from ardour. I generate two .wav's of my > song, one with and one without my cue vocal. I send the files to a real > singer, who imports the non-vocal-infected version in cubase, records > her vocals (one mono track) and sends the new vocal-only file to me. I > import the file in ardour and now without any tweaking the vocal should > line up (time wise) with the music "in sync". > Freeze the track then export as an individual file/track. Then the other person just imports each one into their editor and they will be in perfect sync. Conversely make a selection and export the selected area for each track. AFAIK ardour does not have support for automating this task but neither does Protools or Logic IIUC. > > Secondly I'm actually not sure exactly how to mixdown a project to a > stereo track in ardour. Would I have to create a stereo track, connect > all tracks output to the new tracks ins, press record and let the entire > project play/record in realtime? I was hoping for an "offline" mixdown > so that I don't have to 1) connect and 2) wait for 5 mins (provided the > song is 5 mins)... > I use the master outputs into a new stereo track or just export to stereo from the master outputs only. Cheers. -- Patrick Shirkey - Boost Hardware Ltd. Http://www.boosthardware.com Http://lau.linuxaudio.org - The Linux Audio Users guide ======================================== "Anything your mind can see you can manifest physically, then it will become reality" - Macka B From t_w_ at freenet.de Wed Oct 18 07:09:49 2006 From: t_w_ at freenet.de (Thorsten Wilms) Date: Wed Oct 18 07:10:36 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] mixdown, ardour + soft synths In-Reply-To: <4535FD1D.20404@gmail.com> References: <4535F43D.3000608@gmail.com> <20061018094329.GA5461@charly.SWORD> <4535FD1D.20404@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20061018110949.GB5461@charly.SWORD> On Wed, Oct 18, 2006 at 12:08:29PM +0200, Atte Andr? Jensen wrote: > > Say I wrote a song with sounds coming from zyn/specimen and cue > vocal/acoustic guitar coming from ardour. I generate two .wav's of my > song, one with and one without my cue vocal. I send the files to a real > singer, who imports the non-vocal-infected version in cubase, records > her vocals (one mono track) and sends the new vocal-only file to me. I > import the file in ardour and now without any tweaking the vocal should > line up (time wise) with the music "in sync". Easy. Use Ardour, always record from song start (or from specific points in time, like at 2 minutes or bar 45). Same for every DAW / audio sequencer. > >how about recording to single tracks in Ardour and mixdown from there? > > You mean recording all my soft synths into ardour and doing a mixdown there? > > First it's a bit cumbersome to record the synths, and this would only > serve the purpose of the mixdown, since I really like having the synths > running along in realtime so that they can be modified at all times > during the process. With single outputs from the softsynths it wouldn't be. But with Zyn and Specimen in your list ... Connecting them all to a single Ardour track is no more work than to mhwaveedit, I suppose. > Secondly I'm actually not sure exactly how to mixdown a project to a > stereo track in ardour. Would I have to create a stereo track, connect > all tracks output to the new tracks ins, press record and let the entire > project play/record in realtime? I was hoping for an "offline" mixdown > so that I don't have to 1) connect and 2) wait for 5 mins (provided the > song is 5 mins)... Only tried that once and not recently, from what I recall, you just need to set range markers for the lenght you want to export, and Session -> Export (whatever it's called exactly). Pretty sure it does freewheeling. > >But consider using wavpack for not having to change bit depth. > > I never heard about that before, looks promising. Will try it out to see > if my windows friends can figure out how to use it. Regarding bit depth, > I'm not even sure what bit depth/sample rate they use... > > How much compression can be expected with wavpack? Don't know, it justs seems to be the only option for truly losless jack audio compression. AFAIR, Cubase stores PCM, 44100 (by default, at least). Conversions are bad for quality and are a little file management nightmare, so better use same SR from start. -- Thorsten Wilms From atte.jensen at gmail.com Wed Oct 18 08:07:37 2006 From: atte.jensen at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Atte_Andr=E9_Jensen?=) Date: Wed Oct 18 08:07:50 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] mixdown, ardour + soft synths In-Reply-To: <45360893.6060608@boosthardware.com> References: <4535F43D.3000608@gmail.com> <20061018094329.GA5461@charly.SWORD> <4535FD1D.20404@gmail.com> <45360893.6060608@boosthardware.com> Message-ID: <45361909.4090408@gmail.com> Patrick Shirkey wrote: > I use the master outputs into a new stereo track or just export to > stereo from the master outputs only. Argh, stupid me. Never saw the session->export before. That is most helpful .-) -- peace, love & harmony Atte http://www.atte.dk | quintet: http://www.anagrammer.dk | compositions: http://www.atte.dk/compositions From atte.jensen at gmail.com Wed Oct 18 08:12:16 2006 From: atte.jensen at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Atte_Andr=E9_Jensen?=) Date: Wed Oct 18 08:12:30 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] mixdown, ardour + soft synths In-Reply-To: <20061018110949.GB5461@charly.SWORD> References: <4535F43D.3000608@gmail.com> <20061018094329.GA5461@charly.SWORD> <4535FD1D.20404@gmail.com> <20061018110949.GB5461@charly.SWORD> Message-ID: <45361A20.8050700@gmail.com> Thorsten Wilms wrote: > Only tried that once and not recently, from what I recall, you just > need to set range markers for the lenght you want to export, and > Session -> Export (whatever it's called exactly). Pretty sure it > does freewheeling. Year, stupid me. I never saw the session->export before just now. I guess that's what I was looking for. Sorry... > Don't know, it justs seems to be the only option for truly losless jack > audio compression. I tried it and my tests it was about 50%. Not bad... -- peace, love & harmony Atte http://www.atte.dk | quintet: http://www.anagrammer.dk | compositions: http://www.atte.dk/compositions From pieterp at joow.be Wed Oct 18 09:59:46 2006 From: pieterp at joow.be (Pieter Palmers) Date: Wed Oct 18 09:58:57 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [ANN] FreeBoB 1.0 released - Firewire Audio for Linux Message-ID: <45363352.5050705@joow.be> Greetings, Now that JACK 0.102.20 and QJackCtl 0.2.21 being released, the FreeBoB team is proud to present libfreebob 1.0. The FreeBoB project aims to provide a generic solution for using Firewire (semi-)pro-audio devices in Linux. This release provides support for the devices based on the BridgeCo DM1000 or DM1500 chipset that are running the BeBoB firmware. For a list of supported devices, consult our website at freebob.sf.net. FreeBoB currently provides an interface library that allows firewire audio devices to be used with the JACK audio server, using a dedicated backend. This backend is included in the official JACK releases, from this version on (i.e. 0.102.20). The latest version of QJackCtl also includes support for this FreeBoB backend. MIDI support is provided through ALSA sequencer. Feature list: * Automatic detection & configuration of devices. If there are multiple devices attached to the same firewire bus, freebob merges them into one big device. The devices have to be synced externally (wordclock/spdif) so that they don't drift. Note that this release cannot setup the boxes to be synced yet, being synced is a precondition at the moment. (I tested this with 2 phase88's connected with wordclock, and this works without the need for any special setting because the Phase88 automatically chooses wordclock slave when there is a wordclock signal present. This can be different for other models). * Audio I/O on all analog channels at all sample rates supported by the device. SPDIF/ADAT I/O works in most cases (when presented as analog IO by the device). AC3 passthrough doesn't work. * Midi I/O for all midi ports the device implements, using alsa-sequencer * Round-trip latency figures around 5ms (depends on system configuration). 10ms is achievable on all well-configured machines Not supported yet: * Hardware mixing ("zero latency" mixer) * Device-specific configuration (input gain switches, sync source selection, midi control mappings, ...) * ALSA for audio IO * Special SPDIF/ADAT stream support You can download FreeBoB 1.0 at our sourceforge page: http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=117802 more info at freebob.sf.net What's next? We are working on the second generation of the FreeBoB codebase. The 1.0 release is the endpoint for the codebase that dates back to the start of the project. The 2.0 codebase is a complete redesign of the system using 1.0 as a 'golden spec'. While the 1.0 version is BeBoB-only, the 2.0 codebase is designed as a framework to support all firewire based audio boxes. The current level of functionality is almost the same for both codebases. The main difference is that 1.0 had one year of testing and 2.0 doesn't, it's still in the alpha stage. Needless to say that 2.0 will outperform 1.0 by far ;). Of course this redesign isn't for the sake of aesthetic beauty or lack of things to do... I can announce that we are already working on broadening the supported device list. Currently there is support for the Motu Traveller and the Motu 828 (through reverse engineering). There are also contacts with the DICE-II developers to implement generic support for devices based upon their chipset. As an extra, support for Metric Halo devices is also in the pipeline. Once all of these devices are supported, we will cover a very large part of the Firewire audio device spectrum. The most important void will be RME Fireface support, and for the real budget users: Behringer and Hercules devices. That's all folks! Pieter Palmers (on behalf of the FreeBoB team) From rlrevell at joe-job.com Wed Oct 18 10:09:44 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Wed Oct 18 10:10:11 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] New -rt patch Message-ID: <1161180585.15860.74.camel@mindpipe> AMD64 users: please try the new 2.6.18-rt6 patch. This fixes a problem that caused my box to crash every 12-24 hours. Lee From perodog at gmx.net Wed Oct 18 10:17:37 2006 From: perodog at gmx.net (Dragan Noveski) Date: Wed Oct 18 10:18:03 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] VST support in Ardour2 beta. In-Reply-To: <1160587887.4931.70.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <9cd1656e4eeb2ab1717288aefc890a8c@knorca.se> <1160587887.4931.70.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <45363781.7090308@gmx.net> Paul Davis wrote: > On Wed, 2006-10-11 at 17:41 +0200, Peder Hedlund wrote: > >>> How do I compile VST-support into Ardour2 beta? >>> VST=yes, but after that? >>> Where should i put the VST SDK 2.3 directory? >>> >> Make sure you have wine installed. (I tried with the latest). >> >> You have to copy the vstsdk2.3/source/common/*.h to /usr/include/vst >> (I think this is a bug. You shouldn't have to be root to install ardour) >> > > unnecessary too. > > unpack the VST 2.3 SDK into libs/fst > then mkdir libs/fst/vst > then copy the contents of libs/fst/vstsdk2.3/source/common/*.h to > libs/fst/vst > > done. > > >> like these : http://www.kjaerhusaudio.com/classic-series.php, >> in a "vst" directory in your home dir and make a symbolic link to that >> from /usr/local/lib (I think there's a varaiable you can use to point to >> your directory as well) >> > > ardour uses the VST_PLUGINS environment variable, same name as used on > win32 and OSX, to define a search path for plugins. VST_PATH is also > supported. > > > > > hi, i think that i did everything like mentioned here, but ardour wants not to start up: nowhiskey@murija2:~$ ardour2 ///usr/lib/ardour2/ardour.bin: Symbol `_ZTV7Command' has different size in shared object, consider re-linking ///usr/lib/ardour2/ardour.bin: Symbol `_ZTVN6ARDOUR8LocationE' has different size in shared object, consider re-linking Ardour/GTK 2.0beta5.1 (built using $Rev: 943 $ and GCC version 4.0.4 20060507 (prerelease) (Debian 4.0.3-3)) Copyright (C) 1999-2006 Paul Davis Some portions Copyright (C) Steve Harris, Ari Johnson, Brett Viren, Joel Baker Achtung: Es gibt zu Ardour KEINERLEI Gew?hrleistung! not even for MERCHANTABILITY or FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE. Dies ist freie Software und Sie d?rfen sie gerne weiterverbreiten, under certain conditions; see the source for copying conditions. Loading ui configuration file /etc/ardour2/ardour2_ui.rc (ardour.bin:20020): Gtk-WARNING **: Im Modulpfad ?clearlooks? konnte keine Themen-Engine gefunden werden, loading system configuration file /etc/ardour2/ardour_system.rc loading user configuration file /home/nowhiskey/.ardour2/ardour.rc OSC @ osc.udp://localhost.localdomain:3820/ ///usr/lib/ardour2/ardour.bin: symbol lookup error: ///usr/lib/ardour2/libardour.so: undefined symbol: fst_init nowhiskey@murija2:~$ --------------- or if i try to start with "ardourvst": nowhiskey@murija2:~$ ardourvst Ardour/GTK 2.0beta5.1 (built using $Rev: 943 $ and GCC version 4.0.4 20060507 (prerelease) (Debian 4.0.3-3)) Copyright (C) 1999-2006 Paul Davis Some portions Copyright (C) Steve Harris, Ari Johnson, Brett Viren, Joel Baker Achtung: Es gibt zu Ardour KEINERLEI Gew?hrleistung! not even for MERCHANTABILITY or FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE. Dies ist freie Software und Sie d?rfen sie gerne weiterverbreiten, under certain conditions; see the source for copying conditions. Loading ui configuration file /etc/ardour2/ardour2_ui.rc (ardour_vst.exe.so:20023): Gtk-WARNING **: Im Modulpfad ?clearlooks? konnte keine Themen-Engine gefunden werden, loading system configuration file /etc/ardour2/ardour_system.rc loading user configuration file /home/nowhiskey/.ardour2/ardour.rc OSC @ osc.udp://localhost.localdomain:3820/ Enabling SSE optimized routines ardour: [INFO]: detecting VST plugins along /home/nowhiskey/vst/ ALSA lib pcm_dmix.c:862:(snd_pcm_dmix_open) unable to open slave ALSA lib pcm_dsnoop.c:556:(snd_pcm_dsnoop_open) unable to open slave err:midi:MIDI_AlsaToWindowsDeviceType Cannot determine the type (alsa type is 100000) of this midi device. Assuming FM Synth wine: Unhandled page fault on read access to 0xfffff514 at address 0x7e5df970 (thread 0009), starting debugger... Usage: winedbg [ [ --gdb ] [ prog-name [ prog-args ] | | file.mdmp | --help ] err:seh:raise_exception Unhandled exception code c000013a flags 0 addr 0xb7e4a40f nowhiskey@murija2:~$ --------------------------------- i just updated wine to 0.9.23 but still no success. does anybody has an idea how i get this running? cheers, doc From paniq at paniq.org Wed Oct 18 10:29:41 2006 From: paniq at paniq.org (Leonard "paniq" Ritter) Date: Wed Oct 18 10:29:55 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: [Freebob-devel] [ANN] FreeBoB 1.0 released - Firewire Audio for Linux In-Reply-To: <45363352.5050705@joow.be> References: <45363352.5050705@joow.be> Message-ID: <1161181781.5475.3.camel@localhost> congratulations, good work! looking forward to the alsa side of things :) On Wed, 2006-10-18 at 15:59 +0200, Pieter Palmers wrote: > Greetings, > > Now that JACK 0.102.20 and QJackCtl 0.2.21 being released, the FreeBoB > team is proud to present libfreebob 1.0. The FreeBoB project aims to > provide a generic solution for using Firewire (semi-)pro-audio devices > in Linux. > > This release provides support for the devices based on the BridgeCo > DM1000 or DM1500 chipset that are running the BeBoB firmware. For a list > of supported devices, consult our website at freebob.sf.net. > > FreeBoB currently provides an interface library that allows firewire > audio devices to be used with the JACK audio server, using a dedicated > backend. This backend is included in the official JACK releases, from > this version on (i.e. 0.102.20). The latest version of QJackCtl also > includes support for this FreeBoB backend. MIDI support is provided > through ALSA sequencer. > > Feature list: > * Automatic detection & configuration of devices. If there are multiple > devices attached to the same firewire bus, freebob merges them into one > big device. The devices have to be synced externally (wordclock/spdif) > so that they don't drift. Note that this release cannot setup the boxes > to be synced yet, being synced is a precondition at the moment. (I > tested this with 2 phase88's connected with wordclock, and this works > without the need for any special setting because the Phase88 > automatically chooses wordclock slave when there is a wordclock signal > present. This can be different for other models). > * Audio I/O on all analog channels at all sample rates supported by the > device. SPDIF/ADAT I/O works in most cases (when presented as analog IO > by the device). AC3 passthrough doesn't work. > * Midi I/O for all midi ports the device implements, using alsa-sequencer > * Round-trip latency figures around 5ms (depends on system > configuration). 10ms is achievable on all well-configured machines > > Not supported yet: > * Hardware mixing ("zero latency" mixer) > * Device-specific configuration (input gain switches, sync source > selection, midi control mappings, ...) > * ALSA for audio IO > * Special SPDIF/ADAT stream support > > You can download FreeBoB 1.0 at our sourceforge page: > http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=117802 > more info at freebob.sf.net > > What's next? > > We are working on the second generation of the FreeBoB codebase. The 1.0 > release is the endpoint for the codebase that dates back to the start of > the project. The 2.0 codebase is a complete redesign of the system using > 1.0 as a 'golden spec'. While the 1.0 version is BeBoB-only, the 2.0 > codebase is designed as a framework to support all firewire based audio > boxes. The current level of functionality is almost the same for both > codebases. The main difference is that 1.0 had one year of testing and > 2.0 doesn't, it's still in the alpha stage. Needless to say that 2.0 > will outperform 1.0 by far ;). > > Of course this redesign isn't for the sake of aesthetic beauty or lack > of things to do... I can announce that we are already working on > broadening the supported device list. Currently there is support for the > Motu Traveller and the Motu 828 (through reverse engineering). There are > also contacts with the DICE-II developers to implement generic support > for devices based upon their chipset. As an extra, support for Metric > Halo devices is also in the pipeline. Once all of these devices are > supported, we will cover a very large part of the Firewire audio device > spectrum. The most important void will be RME Fireface support, and for > the real budget users: Behringer and Hercules devices. > > That's all folks! > > Pieter Palmers > (on behalf of the FreeBoB team) > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? > Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier > Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo > http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnk&kid=120709&bid=263057&dat=121642 > _______________________________________________ > Freebob-devel mailing list > Freebob-devel@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freebob-devel -- -- leonard "paniq" ritter -- http://www.mjoo.org -- http://www.paniq.org From arnold.krille at gmail.com Wed Oct 18 10:31:34 2006 From: arnold.krille at gmail.com (Arnold Krille) Date: Wed Oct 18 10:33:21 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [ANN] FreeBoB 1.0 released - Firewire Audio for Linux In-Reply-To: <45363352.5050705@joow.be> References: <45363352.5050705@joow.be> Message-ID: <2def88b80610180731ga314726y5e2e90417279c9b6@mail.gmail.com> Congrats Pieter and Co! Now I really have to talk to my wife about buying a firewire device... Arnold 2006/10/18, Pieter Palmers : > Now that JACK 0.102.20 and QJackCtl 0.2.21 being released, the FreeBoB > team is proud to present libfreebob 1.0. The FreeBoB project aims to > provide a generic solution for using Firewire (semi-)pro-audio devices > in Linux. -- visit http://www.arnoldarts.de/ --- Wenn man mit Raubkopien Bands wie Brosis oder Britney Spears wirklich verhindern k?nnte, w?rde ich mir noch heute einen Stapel Brenner und einen Sack Rohlinge kaufen. From perodog at gmx.net Wed Oct 18 10:38:42 2006 From: perodog at gmx.net (Dragan Noveski) Date: Wed Oct 18 10:38:48 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] VST support in Ardour2 beta. In-Reply-To: <45363781.7090308@gmx.net> References: <9cd1656e4eeb2ab1717288aefc890a8c@knorca.se> <1160587887.4931.70.camel@localhost.localdomain> <45363781.7090308@gmx.net> Message-ID: <45363C72.4070701@gmx.net> Dragan Noveski wrote: > Paul Davis wrote: >> On Wed, 2006-10-11 at 17:41 +0200, Peder Hedlund wrote: >> >>>> How do I compile VST-support into Ardour2 beta? >>>> VST=yes, but after that? >>>> Where should i put the VST SDK 2.3 directory? >>>> >>> Make sure you have wine installed. (I tried with the latest). >>> >>> You have to copy the vstsdk2.3/source/common/*.h to /usr/include/vst >>> (I think this is a bug. You shouldn't have to be root to install >>> ardour) >>> >> >> unnecessary too. >> unpack the VST 2.3 SDK into libs/fst >> then mkdir libs/fst/vst >> then copy the contents of libs/fst/vstsdk2.3/source/common/*.h to >> libs/fst/vst >> >> done. >> >> >>> like these : http://www.kjaerhusaudio.com/classic-series.php, >>> in a "vst" directory in your home dir and make a symbolic link to >>> that >>> from /usr/local/lib (I think there's a varaiable you can use to >>> point to >>> your directory as well) >>> >> >> ardour uses the VST_PLUGINS environment variable, same name as used on >> win32 and OSX, to define a search path for plugins. VST_PATH is also >> supported. >> >> >> >> >> > hi, > i think that i did everything like mentioned here, but ardour wants > not to start up: > > > nowhiskey@murija2:~$ ardour2 > ///usr/lib/ardour2/ardour.bin: Symbol `_ZTV7Command' has different > size in shared object, consider re-linking > ///usr/lib/ardour2/ardour.bin: Symbol `_ZTVN6ARDOUR8LocationE' has > different size in shared object, consider re-linking > Ardour/GTK 2.0beta5.1 > (built using $Rev: 943 $ and GCC version 4.0.4 20060507 (prerelease) > (Debian 4.0.3-3)) > Copyright (C) 1999-2006 Paul Davis > Some portions Copyright (C) Steve Harris, Ari Johnson, Brett Viren, > Joel Baker > > Achtung: Es gibt zu Ardour KEINERLEI Gew?hrleistung! > not even for MERCHANTABILITY or FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE. > Dies ist freie Software und Sie d?rfen sie gerne weiterverbreiten, > under certain conditions; see the source for copying conditions. > Loading ui configuration file /etc/ardour2/ardour2_ui.rc > > (ardour.bin:20020): Gtk-WARNING **: Im Modulpfad ?clearlooks? konnte > keine Themen-Engine gefunden werden, > loading system configuration file /etc/ardour2/ardour_system.rc > loading user configuration file /home/nowhiskey/.ardour2/ardour.rc > OSC @ osc.udp://localhost.localdomain:3820/ > ///usr/lib/ardour2/ardour.bin: symbol lookup error: > ///usr/lib/ardour2/libardour.so: undefined symbol: fst_init > nowhiskey@murija2:~$ > > --------------- > > or if i try to start with "ardourvst": > > nowhiskey@murija2:~$ ardourvst > Ardour/GTK 2.0beta5.1 > (built using $Rev: 943 $ and GCC version 4.0.4 20060507 (prerelease) > (Debian 4.0.3-3)) > Copyright (C) 1999-2006 Paul Davis > Some portions Copyright (C) Steve Harris, Ari Johnson, Brett Viren, > Joel Baker > > Achtung: Es gibt zu Ardour KEINERLEI Gew?hrleistung! > not even for MERCHANTABILITY or FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE. > Dies ist freie Software und Sie d?rfen sie gerne weiterverbreiten, > under certain conditions; see the source for copying conditions. > Loading ui configuration file /etc/ardour2/ardour2_ui.rc > > (ardour_vst.exe.so:20023): Gtk-WARNING **: Im Modulpfad ?clearlooks? > konnte keine Themen-Engine gefunden werden, > loading system configuration file /etc/ardour2/ardour_system.rc > loading user configuration file /home/nowhiskey/.ardour2/ardour.rc > OSC @ osc.udp://localhost.localdomain:3820/ > Enabling SSE optimized routines > ardour: [INFO]: detecting VST plugins along /home/nowhiskey/vst/ > ALSA lib pcm_dmix.c:862:(snd_pcm_dmix_open) unable to open slave > ALSA lib pcm_dsnoop.c:556:(snd_pcm_dsnoop_open) unable to open slave > err:midi:MIDI_AlsaToWindowsDeviceType Cannot determine the type (alsa > type is 100000) of this midi device. Assuming FM Synth > wine: Unhandled page fault on read access to 0xfffff514 at address > 0x7e5df970 (thread 0009), starting debugger... > Usage: > winedbg [ [ --gdb ] [ prog-name [ prog-args ] | | > file.mdmp | --help ] > err:seh:raise_exception Unhandled exception code c000013a flags 0 addr > 0xb7e4a40f > nowhiskey@murija2:~$ > > --------------------------------- > i just updated wine to 0.9.23 but still no success. > > does anybody has an idea how i get this running? > > cheers, > doc > > ok, strange enough, i had to try to start several times and now it works?! sorry for wasting space on the list, cheers, doc From dsbaikov at gmail.com Wed Oct 18 10:42:42 2006 From: dsbaikov at gmail.com (Dmitry Baikov) Date: Wed Oct 18 10:42:51 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [ANN] FreeBoB 1.0 released - Firewire Audio for Linux In-Reply-To: <2def88b80610180731ga314726y5e2e90417279c9b6@mail.gmail.com> References: <45363352.5050705@joow.be> <2def88b80610180731ga314726y5e2e90417279c9b6@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <70a871c80610180742o286af7e1p7009a01f67c68488@mail.gmail.com> In spite of the fact that I jumped off Firewire wagon in the early days of Freebob, I have to say: Thank you, guys, for your hard work and amazing results! It's a really big step for Linux Audio. Kind regards, Dmitry. From markknecht at gmail.com Wed Oct 18 12:33:59 2006 From: markknecht at gmail.com (Mark Knecht) Date: Wed Oct 18 12:34:14 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] New -rt patch In-Reply-To: <1161180585.15860.74.camel@mindpipe> References: <1161180585.15860.74.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <5bdc1c8b0610180933i227bef62v812a2af0b0ddd42c@mail.gmail.com> Lee, What's the status of the high resolution timers on AMD64? Is that still not supported? Thanks, Mark On 10/18/06, Lee Revell wrote: > AMD64 users: please try the new 2.6.18-rt6 patch. This fixes a problem > that caused my box to crash every 12-24 hours. > > Lee > > From rlrevell at joe-job.com Wed Oct 18 12:45:01 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Wed Oct 18 12:45:04 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] New -rt patch In-Reply-To: <5bdc1c8b0610180933i227bef62v812a2af0b0ddd42c@mail.gmail.com> References: <1161180585.15860.74.camel@mindpipe> <5bdc1c8b0610180933i227bef62v812a2af0b0ddd42c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1161189901.15860.90.camel@mindpipe> On Wed, 2006-10-18 at 09:33 -0700, Mark Knecht wrote: > Lee, > What's the status of the high resolution timers on AMD64? Is that > still not supported? I didn't realize it was ever not supported. Works for me. Lee From markknecht at gmail.com Wed Oct 18 12:55:54 2006 From: markknecht at gmail.com (Mark Knecht) Date: Wed Oct 18 12:56:03 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] New -rt patch In-Reply-To: <1161189901.15860.90.camel@mindpipe> References: <1161180585.15860.74.camel@mindpipe> <5bdc1c8b0610180933i227bef62v812a2af0b0ddd42c@mail.gmail.com> <1161189901.15860.90.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <5bdc1c8b0610180955l57b0cd78g7d59ff73c4d1642f@mail.gmail.com> On 10/18/06, Lee Revell wrote: > On Wed, 2006-10-18 at 09:33 -0700, Mark Knecht wrote: > > Lee, > > What's the status of the high resolution timers on AMD64? Is that > > still not supported? > > I didn't realize it was ever not supported. Works for me. > > Lee OK - maybe I have it wrong, or maybe it was only for dual processor AMD64 systems. Not sure. I remember Thomas or Ingo saying somethign about this on LKML but I'm probably mistaken about the details. Do I just turn it on at the front page of make menuconfig? Nothing else to set anywhere? Thanks, Mark From markknecht at gmail.com Wed Oct 18 12:57:02 2006 From: markknecht at gmail.com (Mark Knecht) Date: Wed Oct 18 12:57:34 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] New -rt patch In-Reply-To: <5bdc1c8b0610180955l57b0cd78g7d59ff73c4d1642f@mail.gmail.com> References: <1161180585.15860.74.camel@mindpipe> <5bdc1c8b0610180933i227bef62v812a2af0b0ddd42c@mail.gmail.com> <1161189901.15860.90.camel@mindpipe> <5bdc1c8b0610180955l57b0cd78g7d59ff73c4d1642f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <5bdc1c8b0610180957l1fa19960h62f178e8ea753198@mail.gmail.com> On 10/18/06, Mark Knecht wrote: > On 10/18/06, Lee Revell wrote: > > On Wed, 2006-10-18 at 09:33 -0700, Mark Knecht wrote: > > > Lee, > > > What's the status of the high resolution timers on AMD64? Is that > > > still not supported? > > > > I didn't realize it was ever not supported. Works for me. > > > > Lee > > OK - maybe I have it wrong, or maybe it was only for dual processor > AMD64 systems. Not sure. I remember Thomas or Ingo saying somethign > about this on LKML but I'm probably mistaken about the details. > > Do I just turn it on at the front page of make menuconfig? Nothing > else to set anywhere? > What about the dynamic ticks stuff? Off or on? From rlrevell at joe-job.com Wed Oct 18 13:03:23 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Wed Oct 18 13:06:04 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] New -rt patch In-Reply-To: <5bdc1c8b0610180957l1fa19960h62f178e8ea753198@mail.gmail.com> References: <1161180585.15860.74.camel@mindpipe> <5bdc1c8b0610180933i227bef62v812a2af0b0ddd42c@mail.gmail.com> <1161189901.15860.90.camel@mindpipe> <5bdc1c8b0610180955l57b0cd78g7d59ff73c4d1642f@mail.gmail.com> <5bdc1c8b0610180957l1fa19960h62f178e8ea753198@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1161191003.15860.92.camel@mindpipe> On Wed, 2006-10-18 at 09:57 -0700, Mark Knecht wrote: > On 10/18/06, Mark Knecht wrote: > > On 10/18/06, Lee Revell wrote: > > > On Wed, 2006-10-18 at 09:33 -0700, Mark Knecht wrote: > > > > Lee, > > > > What's the status of the high resolution timers on AMD64? Is that > > > > still not supported? > > > > > > I didn't realize it was ever not supported. Works for me. > > > > > > Lee > > > > OK - maybe I have it wrong, or maybe it was only for dual processor > > AMD64 systems. Not sure. I remember Thomas or Ingo saying somethign > > about this on LKML but I'm probably mistaken about the details. > > > > Do I just turn it on at the front page of make menuconfig? Nothing > > else to set anywhere? > > > What about the dynamic ticks stuff? Off or on? > Um... no idea. It should work. Lee From markknecht at gmail.com Wed Oct 18 13:11:09 2006 From: markknecht at gmail.com (Mark Knecht) Date: Wed Oct 18 13:12:30 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] New -rt patch In-Reply-To: <1161191003.15860.92.camel@mindpipe> References: <1161180585.15860.74.camel@mindpipe> <5bdc1c8b0610180933i227bef62v812a2af0b0ddd42c@mail.gmail.com> <1161189901.15860.90.camel@mindpipe> <5bdc1c8b0610180955l57b0cd78g7d59ff73c4d1642f@mail.gmail.com> <5bdc1c8b0610180957l1fa19960h62f178e8ea753198@mail.gmail.com> <1161191003.15860.92.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <5bdc1c8b0610181011rcc29406g2dc1ec95f6e715ba@mail.gmail.com> On 10/18/06, Lee Revell wrote: > On Wed, 2006-10-18 at 09:57 -0700, Mark Knecht wrote: > > On 10/18/06, Mark Knecht wrote: > > > On 10/18/06, Lee Revell wrote: > > > > On Wed, 2006-10-18 at 09:33 -0700, Mark Knecht wrote: > > > > > Lee, > > > > > What's the status of the high resolution timers on AMD64? Is that > > > > > still not supported? > > > > > > > > I didn't realize it was ever not supported. Works for me. > > > > > > > > Lee > > > > > > OK - maybe I have it wrong, or maybe it was only for dual processor > > > AMD64 systems. Not sure. I remember Thomas or Ingo saying somethign > > > about this on LKML but I'm probably mistaken about the details. > > > > > > Do I just turn it on at the front page of make menuconfig? Nothing > > > else to set anywhere? > > > > > What about the dynamic ticks stuff? Off or on? > > > > Um... no idea. It should work. > > Lee Thanks. I'm building with HRT turned on and DynTicks turned off, for now. 2.6.18-rt5 didn't boot reliably for me. We'll see if this one does better. (No tainting with ati-drivers anymore...) Thanks, Mark From perodog at gmx.net Wed Oct 18 13:13:41 2006 From: perodog at gmx.net (Dragan Noveski) Date: Wed Oct 18 13:19:15 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] VST support in Ardour2 beta. In-Reply-To: <1160587887.4931.70.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <9cd1656e4eeb2ab1717288aefc890a8c@knorca.se> <1160587887.4931.70.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <453660C5.9030904@gmx.net> Paul Davis wrote: > On Wed, 2006-10-11 at 17:41 +0200, Peder Hedlund wrote: > >>> How do I compile VST-support into Ardour2 beta? >>> VST=yes, but after that? >>> Where should i put the VST SDK 2.3 directory? >>> >> Make sure you have wine installed. (I tried with the latest). >> >> You have to copy the vstsdk2.3/source/common/*.h to /usr/include/vst >> (I think this is a bug. You shouldn't have to be root to install ardour) >> > > unnecessary too. > > unpack the VST 2.3 SDK into libs/fst > then mkdir libs/fst/vst > then copy the contents of libs/fst/vstsdk2.3/source/common/*.h to > libs/fst/vst > > done. > > >> like these : http://www.kjaerhusaudio.com/classic-series.php, >> in a "vst" directory in your home dir and make a symbolic link to that >> from /usr/local/lib (I think there's a varaiable you can use to point to >> your directory as well) >> > > ardour uses the VST_PLUGINS environment variable, same name as used on > win32 and OSX, to define a search path for plugins. VST_PATH is also > supported. > > > > > hi, just builded ardour2 rev991, with prefix=/usr vst=yes and fftw=yes. i am able o start ardour, bur ardour will not exit in a way i am expecting. so when i go to "close session" ardour just "freezes", and i am only able to kill it. the machine is responding in the normal way, only ardour is "frozen". here is the console output, it seems to me that it is something about wine: ............ Loading history from '/home/nowhiskey/Ardour/proba003/proba003.history'. (ardour_vst.exe.so:3827): Pango-WARNING **: Invalid UTF-8 string passed to pango_layout_set_text() (ardour_vst.exe.so:3827): Pango-WARNING **: Invalid UTF-8 string passed to pango_layout_set_text() (ardour_vst.exe.so:3827): Pango-WARNING **: Invalid UTF-8 string passed to pango_layout_set_text() Transport:Loop is not a toggle cannot lock down memory for RT thread (Nicht gen?gend Hauptspeicher verf?gbar) ALSA lib pcm_dmix.c:862:(snd_pcm_dmix_open) unable to open slave ALSA lib pcm_dsnoop.c:556:(snd_pcm_dsnoop_open) unable to open slave err:midi:MIDI_AlsaToWindowsDeviceType Cannot determine the type (alsa type is 100000) of this midi device. Assuming FM Synth wine: Unhandled page fault on read access to 0xf746d4e4 at address 0x7d95de0a (thread 0009), starting debugger... Usage: winedbg [ [ --gdb ] [ prog-name [ prog-args ] | | file.mdmp | --help ] ........................ and this is after pressing ctrl+c which will stop ardour: ......... Loading history from '/home/nowhiskey/Ardour/proba003/proba003.history'. (ardour_vst.exe.so:3827): Pango-WARNING **: Invalid UTF-8 string passed to pango_layout_set_text() (ardour_vst.exe.so:3827): Pango-WARNING **: Invalid UTF-8 string passed to pango_layout_set_text() (ardour_vst.exe.so:3827): Pango-WARNING **: Invalid UTF-8 string passed to pango_layout_set_text() Transport:Loop is not a toggle cannot lock down memory for RT thread (Nicht gen?gend Hauptspeicher verf?gbar) ALSA lib pcm_dmix.c:862:(snd_pcm_dmix_open) unable to open slave ALSA lib pcm_dsnoop.c:556:(snd_pcm_dsnoop_open) unable to open slave err:midi:MIDI_AlsaToWindowsDeviceType Cannot determine the type (alsa type is 100000) of this midi device. Assuming FM Synth wine: Unhandled page fault on read access to 0xf746d4e4 at address 0x7d95de0a (thread 0009), starting debugger... Usage: winedbg [ [ --gdb ] [ prog-name [ prog-args ] | | file.mdmp | --help ] err:seh:raise_exception Unhandled exception code c000013a flags 0 addr 0xb7dfb40f nowhiskey@murija2:~$ ............... and also generally, it looks for me that building ardour with vst support, makes the appi much more "fragile" than when built without vst. does anybody else has made similar experience? cheers, doc From franke at irt.de Wed Oct 18 13:26:34 2006 From: franke at irt.de (Roman Franke) Date: Wed Oct 18 13:33:10 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] BruteFIR: change output delay Message-ID: <453663CA.1080209@irt.de> Hallo, I'm working with brutefir as realtime-convolution-software. I have the problem that brutefir doesn'n change the output delay if I send the cod command. I think the problem is not the config-file - (i read the manual very often and accurate and tried so many ways to make it work...). Do someone had the same problem and a solution for this problem? Perhaps any configuration on Debian. I'm using Debian JACK and Alsa-Drivers. Thanks. Roman From paul at linuxaudiosystems.com Wed Oct 18 13:39:32 2006 From: paul at linuxaudiosystems.com (Paul Davis) Date: Wed Oct 18 14:00:23 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] VST support in Ardour2 beta. In-Reply-To: <453660C5.9030904@gmx.net> References: <9cd1656e4eeb2ab1717288aefc890a8c@knorca.se> <1160587887.4931.70.camel@localhost.localdomain> <453660C5.9030904@gmx.net> Message-ID: <1161193172.17041.129.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Wed, 2006-10-18 at 19:13 +0200, Dragan Noveski wrote: nothing above this point is relevant: > cannot lock down memory for RT thread (Nicht gen?gend Hauptspeicher > verf?gbar) > ALSA lib pcm_dmix.c:862:(snd_pcm_dmix_open) unable to open slave > ALSA lib pcm_dsnoop.c:556:(snd_pcm_dsnoop_open) unable to open slave my wine config doesn't even try to open ALSA devices. not sure how you stop this, but Wine should not be attempting to get access to any audio devices. > err:midi:MIDI_AlsaToWindowsDeviceType Cannot determine the type (alsa > type is 100000) of this midi device. Assuming FM Synth ditto for MIDI. > wine: Unhandled page fault on read access to 0xf746d4e4 at address this is almost certainly a segfault in a VST plugin. > 0x7d95de0a (thread 0009), starting debugger... > Usage: > winedbg [ [ --gdb ] [ prog-name [ prog-args ] | | > file.mdmp | --help ] > err:seh:raise_exception Unhandled exception code c000013a flags 0 addr > 0xb7dfb40f > nowhiskey@murija2:~$ > ............... > > and also generally, it looks for me that building ardour with vst > support, makes the appi much more "fragile" than when built without vst. > does anybody else has made similar experience? you are loading random win32 code into ardour, some of which will crash wine. so of course its less stable, just like there still a few LADSPA plugins which can do the same thing. the thing to do is to remove all vst plugins from wherever VST_PLUGINS or VST_PATH points to. then start it up. see if it works. if thats OK, the issues are entirely to do with specific plugins. then add back ones you are interested one by one to verify that they work. --p From markknecht at gmail.com Wed Oct 18 14:24:59 2006 From: markknecht at gmail.com (Mark Knecht) Date: Wed Oct 18 14:25:11 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] New -rt patch In-Reply-To: <5bdc1c8b0610181011rcc29406g2dc1ec95f6e715ba@mail.gmail.com> References: <1161180585.15860.74.camel@mindpipe> <5bdc1c8b0610180933i227bef62v812a2af0b0ddd42c@mail.gmail.com> <1161189901.15860.90.camel@mindpipe> <5bdc1c8b0610180955l57b0cd78g7d59ff73c4d1642f@mail.gmail.com> <5bdc1c8b0610180957l1fa19960h62f178e8ea753198@mail.gmail.com> <1161191003.15860.92.camel@mindpipe> <5bdc1c8b0610181011rcc29406g2dc1ec95f6e715ba@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <5bdc1c8b0610181124n415bb013n61dea9f9ec0e315f@mail.gmail.com> On 10/18/06, Mark Knecht wrote: > > Thanks. I'm building with HRT turned on and DynTicks turned off, for now. > > 2.6.18-rt5 didn't boot reliably for me. We'll see if this one does > better. (No tainting with ati-drivers anymore...) > > Thanks, > Mark > Hi Lee, Up and running now. No problems booting. mark@lightning ~ $ uname -a Linux lightning 2.6.18-rt6 #2 PREEMPT Wed Oct 18 10:18:51 PDT 2006 x86_64 AMD Athlon(tm) 64 Processor 3000+ GNU/Linux mark@lightning ~ $ I seem to be getting better frame rates from glxgears. That's good. Jack is running at 2.9mS with no xruns so far. CPU usage from MythTV is about normal at 11%. Things look good. I'll report back later on how things go. Cheers, Mark From folderol at ukfsn.org Wed Oct 18 15:33:18 2006 From: folderol at ukfsn.org (Folderol) Date: Wed Oct 18 15:30:56 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [ANN] Simple Sysexxer 0.1.1 In-Reply-To: <200610180107.44232.ce@christeck.de> References: <200610180107.44232.ce@christeck.de> Message-ID: <20061018203318.748b805e@localhost> On Wed, 18 Oct 2006 01:07:44 +0200 Christoph Eckert wrote: > Hi all, > > > first my apologies for cross-posting (TM) :) . This is a wee small > bugfix release of Simple Sysexxer. It now should build without needing > Qt debug libs installed. > As I didn't get any feedback since the first release (neither success > stories nor complaints), I'd like to encourage anyone to send feedback > or bug reports. > > Simple Sysexxer is a tool to exchange sysex data with MIDI devices, e.g. > to do backups of the device's memory contents or to send presets loaded > from the web. I would like to try this out, but I'm not going to risk potentially disrupting a reliable working system to install qt4 for only one app. If my next major upgrade has qt4 then I'll give it a try. -- Will J G From folderol at ukfsn.org Wed Oct 18 15:34:18 2006 From: folderol at ukfsn.org (Folderol) Date: Wed Oct 18 15:32:06 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] New web site - new track In-Reply-To: <20061016213825.GC11024@localhost> References: <20061012220330.GZ4025@localhost> <20061014163535.221758d5@localhost> <20061014161328.GB11024@localhost> <20061016212609.3302582d@localhost> <20061016213825.GC11024@localhost> Message-ID: <20061018203418.661912ea@localhost> On Mon, 16 Oct 2006 23:38:25 +0200 yves@jazzcomputer.org (Yves Potin) wrote: > Le 16 Oct ? 21:26, Folderol ecrivait: > > > I'll be looking out for it :) > > > http://download.jazzcomputer.org/picklejar/breathes3.ogg :) > It's greatly modified, and gives and idea about how one of Patrick > Shirkey's screenshots sound like :). > > Y. I like the changes :) -- Will J G From perodog at gmx.net Wed Oct 18 15:39:06 2006 From: perodog at gmx.net (Dragan Noveski) Date: Wed Oct 18 15:39:25 2006 Subject: [ardour-users] [linux-audio-user] VST support in Ardour2 beta. In-Reply-To: <1161193172.17041.129.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <9cd1656e4eeb2ab1717288aefc890a8c@knorca.se> <1160587887.4931.70.camel@localhost.localdomain> <453660C5.9030904@gmx.net> <1161193172.17041.129.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <453682DA.4070705@gmx.net> Paul Davis wrote: > On Wed, 2006-10-18 at 19:13 +0200, Dragan Noveski wrote: > > nothing above this point is relevant: > > >> cannot lock down memory for RT thread (Nicht gen?gend Hauptspeicher >> verf?gbar) >> ALSA lib pcm_dmix.c:862:(snd_pcm_dmix_open) unable to open slave >> ALSA lib pcm_dsnoop.c:556:(snd_pcm_dsnoop_open) unable to open slave >> > > my wine config doesn't even try to open ALSA devices. not sure how you > stop this, but Wine should not be attempting to get access to any audio > devices. > > dont know at all, ll try to get some information at the wine webpage >> err:midi:MIDI_AlsaToWindowsDeviceType Cannot determine the type (alsa >> type is 100000) of this midi device. Assuming FM Synth >> > > ditto for MIDI. > > >> wine: Unhandled page fault on read access to 0xf746d4e4 at address >> > > this is almost certainly a segfault in a VST plugin. > > >> 0x7d95de0a (thread 0009), starting debugger... >> Usage: >> winedbg [ [ --gdb ] [ prog-name [ prog-args ] | | >> file.mdmp | --help ] >> err:seh:raise_exception Unhandled exception code c000013a flags 0 addr >> 0xb7dfb40f >> nowhiskey@murija2:~$ >> ............... >> >> and also generally, it looks for me that building ardour with vst >> support, makes the appi much more "fragile" than when built without vst. >> does anybody else has made similar experience? >> > > you are loading random win32 code into ardour, some of which will crash > wine. so of course its less stable, just like there still a few LADSPA > plugins which can do the same thing. > > the thing to do is to remove all vst plugins from wherever VST_PLUGINS > or VST_PATH points to. then start it up. see if it works. if thats OK, > the issues are entirely to do with specific plugins. then add back ones > you are interested one by one to verify that they work. > > --p > tried removing all the vst plugins from the directory called vst, than running ardour without any plugins, but than trying to "close session" i get the same behavior that i am only able to kill ardour. console output: ... cannot lock down memory for RT thread (Nicht gen?gend Hauptspeicher verf?gbar) actually writing state actually writing history (ardour_vst.exe.so:3770): Pango-WARNING **: Invalid UTF-8 string passed to pango_layout_set_text() actually writing state actually writing history actually writing state actually writing history wine: Unhandled page fault on read access to 0xf790fae4 at address 0x7d95fe0a (thread 0009), starting debugger... Usage: winedbg [ [ --gdb ] [ prog-name [ prog-args ] | | file.mdmp | --help ] err:seh:raise_exception Unhandled exception code c000013a flags 0 addr 0xb7ded40f Speicherzugriffsfehler nowhiskey@murija2:~$ .... i just realized that wine dont complain about alsa/midi stuff anymore. now i copied back the vst?s to the vst directory, and still wine is not complaining about any alsa stuff anymore: ... cannot lock down memory for RT thread (Nicht gen?gend Hauptspeicher verf?gbar) actually writing state actually writing history (ardour_vst.exe.so:3807): Pango-WARNING **: Invalid UTF-8 string passed to pango_layout_set_text() actually writing state actually writing history (ardour_vst.exe.so:3807): Pango-WARNING **: Invalid UTF-8 string passed to pango_layout_set_text() (ardour_vst.exe.so:3807): Pango-WARNING **: Invalid UTF-8 string passed to pango_layout_set_text() (ardour_vst.exe.so:3807): Pango-WARNING **: Invalid UTF-8 string passed to pango_layout_set_text() (ardour_vst.exe.so:3807): Pango-WARNING **: Invalid UTF-8 string passed to pango_layout_set_text() (ardour_vst.exe.so:3807): Pango-WARNING **: Invalid UTF-8 string passed to pango_layout_set_text() (ardour_vst.exe.so:3807): Pango-WARNING **: Invalid UTF-8 string passed to pango_layout_set_text() (ardour_vst.exe.so:3807): Pango-WARNING **: Invalid UTF-8 string passed to pango_layout_set_text() (ardour_vst.exe.so:3807): Pango-WARNING **: Invalid UTF-8 string passed to pango_layout_set_text() (ardour_vst.exe.so:3807): Pango-WARNING **: Invalid UTF-8 string passed to pango_layout_set_text() (ardour_vst.exe.so:3807): Pango-WARNING **: Invalid UTF-8 string passed to pango_layout_set_text() (ardour_vst.exe.so:3807): Gtk-WARNING **: Invalid input string (ardour_vst.exe.so:3807): Gtk-WARNING **: Invalid input string (ardour_vst.exe.so:3807): Pango-WARNING **: Invalid UTF-8 string passed to pango_layout_set_text() (ardour_vst.exe.so:3807): Pango-WARNING **: Invalid UTF-8 string passed to pango_layout_set_text() (ardour_vst.exe.so:3807): Pango-WARNING **: Invalid UTF-8 string passed to pango_layout_set_text() (ardour_vst.exe.so:3807): Pango-WARNING **: Invalid UTF-8 string passed to pango_layout_set_text() (ardour_vst.exe.so:3807): Gtk-WARNING **: Invalid input string (ardour_vst.exe.so:3807): Gtk-WARNING **: Invalid input string (ardour_vst.exe.so:3807): Pango-WARNING **: Invalid UTF-8 string passed to pango_layout_set_text() (ardour_vst.exe.so:3807): Pango-WARNING **: Invalid UTF-8 string passed to pango_layout_set_text() actually writing state actually writing history wine: Unhandled page fault on read access to 0xf78fade4 at address 0x7d956e0a (thread 0009), starting debugger... Usage: winedbg [ [ --gdb ] [ prog-name [ prog-args ] | | file.mdmp | --help ] err:seh:raise_exception Unhandled exception code c000013a flags 0 addr 0xb7e6940f nowhiskey@murija2:~$ ------------- any other suggestion what i could try to do? cheers, doc > > > _______________________________________________ > ardour-users mailing list > ardour-users@lists.ardour.org > http://lists.ardour.org/listinfo.cgi/ardour-users-ardour.org > From rlrevell at joe-job.com Wed Oct 18 15:39:23 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Wed Oct 18 15:39:38 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [ANN] Simple Sysexxer 0.1.1 In-Reply-To: <20061018203318.748b805e@localhost> References: <200610180107.44232.ce@christeck.de> <20061018203318.748b805e@localhost> Message-ID: <1161200364.15860.106.camel@mindpipe> On Wed, 2006-10-18 at 20:33 +0100, Folderol wrote: > I would like to try this out, but I'm not going to risk potentially > disrupting a reliable working system to install qt4 for only one app. > If my next major upgrade has qt4 then I'll give it a try. > What distro is so fragile that simply installing one library can break things? Lee From ce at christeck.de Wed Oct 18 15:54:21 2006 From: ce at christeck.de (Christoph Eckert) Date: Wed Oct 18 15:53:59 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [ANN] Simple Sysexxer 0.1.1 In-Reply-To: <20061018203318.748b805e@localhost> References: <200610180107.44232.ce@christeck.de> <20061018203318.748b805e@localhost> Message-ID: <200610182154.21894.ce@christeck.de> Hi, > I would like to try this out, but I'm not going to risk potentially > disrupting a reliable working system to install qt4 for only one app. > If my next major upgrade has qt4 then I'll give it a try. "never change a running system" :) . My Gentoo box properly separates Qt3 and Qt4, but I don't know about other systems. Anyway, as soon MusE 1.0 will be out, all MusE users will be urged to install Qt4, hehe :) . ce From dlphillips at woh.rr.com Wed Oct 18 16:22:42 2006 From: dlphillips at woh.rr.com (Dave Phillips) Date: Wed Oct 18 15:56:32 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [ANN] Simple Sysexxer 0.1.1 In-Reply-To: <1161200364.15860.106.camel@mindpipe> References: <200610180107.44232.ce@christeck.de> <20061018203318.748b805e@localhost> <1161200364.15860.106.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <45368D12.2050008@woh.rr.com> Lee Revell wrote: >On Wed, 2006-10-18 at 20:33 +0100, Folderol wrote: > > >>I would like to try this out, but I'm not going to risk potentially >>disrupting a reliable working system to install qt4 for only one app. >>If my next major upgrade has qt4 then I'll give it a try. >> >> >> > >What distro is so fragile that simply installing one library can break >things? > Qt installs itself nicely alongside other versions of itself. On my Demudi system I have both Qt3 and Qt4, the only thing I need to remember when compiling is to set the QTDIR variable to the appropriate version. It's sometimes necessary to set LD_LIBRARY_PATH if relocation error occur. Best, dp From paul at linuxaudiosystems.com Wed Oct 18 15:58:52 2006 From: paul at linuxaudiosystems.com (Paul Davis) Date: Wed Oct 18 16:23:05 2006 Subject: [ardour-users] [linux-audio-user] VST support in Ardour2 beta. In-Reply-To: <453682DA.4070705@gmx.net> References: <9cd1656e4eeb2ab1717288aefc890a8c@knorca.se> <1160587887.4931.70.camel@localhost.localdomain> <453660C5.9030904@gmx.net> <1161193172.17041.129.camel@localhost.localdomain> <453682DA.4070705@gmx.net> Message-ID: <1161201532.17041.132.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Wed, 2006-10-18 at 21:39 +0200, Dragan Noveski wrote: > any other suggestion what i could try to do? wait for the next beta or use SVN. crash-on-session-close-or-shutdown has seen a lot of work recently. From perodog at gmx.net Wed Oct 18 17:15:40 2006 From: perodog at gmx.net (Dragan Noveski) Date: Wed Oct 18 17:15:55 2006 Subject: [ardour-users] [linux-audio-user] VST support in Ardour2 beta. In-Reply-To: <1161201532.17041.132.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <9cd1656e4eeb2ab1717288aefc890a8c@knorca.se> <1160587887.4931.70.camel@localhost.localdomain> <453660C5.9030904@gmx.net> <1161193172.17041.129.camel@localhost.localdomain> <453682DA.4070705@gmx.net> <1161201532.17041.132.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <4536997C.9020201@gmx.net> Paul Davis wrote: > On Wed, 2006-10-18 at 21:39 +0200, Dragan Noveski wrote: > > >> any other suggestion what i could try to do? >> > > wait for the next beta or use SVN. crash-on-session-close-or-shutdown > has seen a lot of work recently. > > > > yepp! well i tried now the rev992. building with vst i have the same problem when closing the session, but building without vst, ardour closes very normally, no problems on this. thanks for the support and cheers, doc From drobilla at connect.carleton.ca Wed Oct 18 19:27:02 2006 From: drobilla at connect.carleton.ca (Dave Robillard) Date: Wed Oct 18 19:27:19 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Control path in Om In-Reply-To: <20061007121240.GB5388@charly.SWORD> References: <20061006171511.GP4025@localhost> <20061006181317.GD5395@charly.SWORD> <20061006192136.GQ4025@localhost> <1160209343.12238.0.camel@c213-100-20-9.swipnet.se> <20061007114448.GR4025@localhost> <20061007121240.GB5388@charly.SWORD> Message-ID: <1161214022.17078.17.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Sat, 2006-10-07 at 14:12 +0200, Thorsten Wilms wrote: > On Sat, Oct 07, 2006 at 01:44:48PM +0200, Yves Potin wrote: > > > > Thank you very much, that's exactly what I was searching for. I've > > found your plugin there : > > http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/om-synth/2005-11/msg00032.html > > The result is here : > > http://www.jazzcomputer.org/om.jpg > > http://www.jazzcomputer.org/noise.om > > As, without your plugin, I've spent much more than three or four > > hours to do what I wanted without success, and found the solution in 5 > > minutes with it, I'd be very curious and interested to know how this can > > be achieved in the ? traditional ? way in Om, i.e. controlling in time the > > evolution of a filter with an envelope, which seems a somewhat common > > use of a synth to me :). > > Ehm, just put Resonance (CR) to 0 and use Resonance (AR)? > Lars was so nice to check this works out, even :) > > Otherwise use the 4 Pole Low-Pass Filter with Resonance (FARAIA). > > I would guess that you can get away with dynamic CR on resonance > if the envelope isn't very fast / the change not that drastic. > Otherwise artefacts can be expected. > > It would be great if the rate of ports could be switched, but > LADSPA doesn't allow for this and LV2 might only with an > extension. Well, eliminating control ports (however much I would like to do so) isn't realistic, however the LV2 spec does explicitly state that the LADSPA phenomenon of "audio rate control ports" (eg CV) that break most anything /except/ modulars (e.g. Ardour, Jack Rack) are NOT comformant. In less confusing wording: audio ports MUST be.. audio! So, these kind of ports will need to use a CV port extension, which could (noone's written one yet) allow for both control or audio rate use of the same port. This means all hosts will be able to use these plugins and actually know what the (rough) purpose of the ports are. Not ideal for a modular since those plugins with CR ports will still exist, but a decent compromise, and surely a LOT better than the current random situation that results in plugins that just mysteriously don't work in certain hosts anyway. It's a half solution to an only somewhat related problem, but at least it's sane in LV2 instead of the complete mess of LADSPA in this dept. At the end of the day the only solution to the old audio rate vs control rate problem is writing more plugins. -DR- From stuff at trackingsolutions.ca Thu Oct 19 04:11:36 2006 From: stuff at trackingsolutions.ca (stuff@trackingsolutions.ca) Date: Thu Oct 19 04:11:28 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Good News About Realtime Kernel As Standard In-Reply-To: <45316320.1000300@tiscali.co.uk> References: <45316320.1000300@tiscali.co.uk> Message-ID: <200610190211.36938.stuff@trackingsolutions.ca> So is it in 2.6.28? And if so is it going to be tough to get running? Recompile? On Saturday 14 October 2006 4:22 pm, guy wrote: > Its looking promising > > http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS9566944929.html > > > > > ___________________________________________________________ > Inbox full of spam? Get leading spam protection and 1GB storage with All > New Yahoo! Mail. http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/nowyoucan.html From mathias.friman at knorca.se Thu Oct 19 06:34:20 2006 From: mathias.friman at knorca.se (Mathias Friman) Date: Thu Oct 19 06:34:30 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] .asoundrc for dummies Message-ID: <5cac3e5529ac19403181b43496f8056e@knorca.se> Hi list. Since I'm not a programmer, trying to document the .asoundrc syntax is somewhat cumbersome. I'm writing an introductory howto for linux music making, in swedish, and I can't really get a grasp of the syntax in .asoundrc or any other alsa configuration file (like those in /usr/share/alsa/) for that matter. I wonder if anyone got easy-to-understand links for this, except the ALSA-wiki and the Gentoo ALSA-howto? These both round up an endless number of examples, but does leave out (IMHO) important parts that is needed for a thourough understanding if you're a moron like me. ;) For example: pcm.!default { type asym playback.pcm { type plug slave.pcm "hw:0,0" } capture.pcm { type plug slave.pcm "hw:1,0" } } This overrides the default setting, uses type asym (which is what exactly? asymmetrical, yes, but what does that mean?) sets a playback.pcm (which is defined where originally?) Why does it say 'slave.pcm "hw:0,0"' and nothing like: pcm_slave.sltest { pcm ens1371 } and what is the difference? etc. and so on, und so weiter A lot of questions, an probably a few stupid ones as well. Regretfully, to be able to explain it properly, I need a somewhat deeper understanding than I have now, and since some of the sharpest minds in the Linux audio community are on this list I thought I'd switch from endless googling to a cry for help. :) I'd be more than glad to write an english howto aswell, for people like me to use. However, I might need some help with correctional reading once it's done. ;) So, anyone got tips, links, an hour to spare or whatever? All is welcome. Regards, Mathias From noven at sincorp.org Thu Oct 19 06:50:48 2006 From: noven at sincorp.org (Novensiles divi Flamen) Date: Thu Oct 19 06:53:21 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] .asoundrc for dummies In-Reply-To: <5cac3e5529ac19403181b43496f8056e@knorca.se> References: <5cac3e5529ac19403181b43496f8056e@knorca.se> Message-ID: <200610191750.48551.noven@sincorp.org> On Thursday 19 October 2006 17:34, Mathias Friman wrote: > > I wonder if anyone got easy-to-understand links for this, except the > ALSA-wiki and the Gentoo ALSA-howto? These both round up an endless number > of examples, but does leave out (IMHO) important parts that is needed for a > thourough understanding if you're a moron like me. ;) > No howto on hand, but maybe I can answer some questions > For example: > > pcm.!default { > type asym > playback.pcm { > type plug > slave.pcm "hw:0,0" > } > capture.pcm { > type plug > slave.pcm "hw:1,0" > } > } > > This overrides the default setting, > uses type asym (which is what exactly? asymmetrical, yes, but what does > that mean?) sets a playback.pcm (which is defined where originally?) > asym means the control is used for both play and record. > Why does it say 'slave.pcm "hw:0,0"' and nothing like: > > pcm_slave.sltest { > pcm ens1371 > } > > and what is the difference? > hw:0,0 is a syntax for the first alsa device, regardless of *what* device it actually is. So the config will work regardless of what card you have. > So, anyone got tips, links, an hour to spare or whatever? All is welcome. > A while ago I did some research and tweaking to make a .asoundrc with program-specific controls. The theory is taken from a website which I really should reference but can't recall. Maybe the file will be of use to you? It creates a number of useable controls, and then you tell the actual program to use the named control. It should show a logical chain of events. Feel free to ask questions about it. # ALSA controls to enable software mixers # PCM output devices pcm.output_main { type dmix ipc_key 1024 ipc_perm 0666 slave { pcm "hw:0,0" period_time 0 period_size 1024 buffer_size 8192 } } bindings { 0 0 1 1 } # PCM input devices pcm.input_mic { type dsnoop ipc_key 2048 slave.pcm "hw:0,0" } # Asym devices # use input and output at the same time pcm.asym_main_mic { type asym playback.pcm "output_main_control" capture.pcm "input_mic" } # Hardware control devices ctl.mixer0 { type hw card 0 } # Volume controls pcm.output_main_control { type softvol slave.pcm "output_main" control { name "All" card 0 } } pcm.default_control { type softvol slave.pcm "asym_main_mic" control { name "Unassigned" card 0 } } pcm.xmms_control { type softvol slave.pcm "output_main_control" control { name "XMMS" card 0 } } pcm.film_control { type softvol slave.pcm "output_main_control" control { name "Film" card 0 } } pcm.psi_control { type softvol slave.pcm "output_main_control" control { name "Psi" card 0 } } pcm.skype_control { type softvol slave.pcm "asym_main_mic" control { name "Skype" card 0 } } pcm.system_control { type softvol slave.pcm "asym_main_mic" control { name "System" card 0 } } # OSS devices (Audacity) - doesn't quite work as expected. Fix sometime. pcm.output_oss { type softvol slave.pcm "asym_main_mic" control { name "OSS" card 0 } } pcm.dsp0 { type plug slave.pcm "output_oss" } # Default ALSA devices pcm.!default { type plug slave.pcm "default_control" } pcm.default { type plug slave.pcm "default_control" } # Custom app plug devices pcm.xmms { type plug slave.pcm "xmms_control" } pcm.film { type plug slave.pcm "film_control" } pcm.psi { type plug slave.pcm "psi_control" } pcm.skype { type plug slave.pcm "skype_control" } pcm.system { type plug slave.pcm "system_control" } # To make the mixer devices available you need to run the following commands # aplay /path/to/a.wav -D film # aplay /path/to/a.wav -D psim # aplay /path/to/a.wav -D system # aplay /path/to/a.wav -D xmms # aplay /path/to/a.wav -D skype # aplay /path/to/a.wav - Noven -- >-- Novensiles divi Flamen --< >---- Miles Militis Fons ----< -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://music.columbia.edu/pipermail/linux-audio-user/attachments/20061019/0f49460e/attachment.bin From chip.vandan at gmail.com Thu Oct 19 08:30:36 2006 From: chip.vandan at gmail.com (Chip VanDan) Date: Thu Oct 19 08:30:45 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Fractal Music for Linux Message-ID: I've been contemplating returning to some old projects however my recent switch to the Linux platform has made it slightly difficult. I used to mess around with fractal music in Windows but I seem to be having trouble finding anything for Linux along the same lines. I found one site that recommended using Cecilia, however I am not a programmer, I'm not all too familiar with Cecilia, and I don't know fractals inside and out yet to be able to create my own algorithms. It seems the software on windows was always freeware but I can't seem to find anything that has been ported to Linux. That and most of the sites seem to have gone down long ago. Is fractal music an abandoned theory or is there still research going on behind closed doors? Most importantly are there any generators available for Linux? Chip -- -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- Version: 3.12 GCA/FA/S/O d+(--) s+: a-- C+++ L++ P E-- W++ N- o K? w O-- M- V- PS+ PE- Y+ PGP t- 5-- X R- !tv b++ DI++ D+ G+ e+/++ h--- r--/+++ z+++(*) ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------ From dlphillips at woh.rr.com Thu Oct 19 09:28:51 2006 From: dlphillips at woh.rr.com (Dave Phillips) Date: Thu Oct 19 09:02:16 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Fractal Music for Linux In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <45377D93.8070600@woh.rr.com> Chip VanDan wrote: > I've been contemplating returning to some old projects however my > recent switch to the Linux platform has made it slightly difficult. I > used to mess around with fractal music in Windows but I seem to be > having trouble finding anything for Linux along the same lines. I > found one site that recommended using Cecilia, however I am not a > programmer, I'm not all too familiar with Cecilia, and I don't know > fractals inside and out yet to be able to create my own algorithms. > It seems the software on windows was always freeware but I can't seem > to find anything that has been ported to Linux. That and most of the > sites seem to have gone down long ago. Is fractal music an abandoned > theory or is there still research going on behind closed doors? Most > importantly are there any generators available for Linux? See this page for links of possible relevance: http://linux-sound.org/swss.html See the sections on General Music Composition packages. Also look into Csound, particularly the latest Csound5. IIRC some Atari fractal music software runs under the Xsteem emulator. Some of the older Win/DOS software might run under WINE or DOSemu. Best, dp From yonatan_avraham at hotmail.com Thu Oct 19 09:17:16 2006 From: yonatan_avraham at hotmail.com (yonatan) Date: Thu Oct 19 09:17:29 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] MIDI splitter Message-ID: <6896525.post@talk.nabble.com> When choosing a MIDI keyboard controller, is the abillity to split the keyboard into different zones an essential feature of the keyboard itself, or can it be done with software for keyboards that don't provide this ability built-it? I did come across ace, "a command line midi splitter/processor especially suited for live, keyboard-driven use together with csound," although I don't know if a) this is the correct tool or b) if it works in a jack/alsa based environment (e.g. put in other words, I load my virtual instruments and they appear in qjackctl as MIDI writeable clients, and I plug in the keyboard and it appears in qjackctl as MIDI readable clients. The question is how can I divide the MIDI output from the keyboard to different instruments based on keyboard range.) Thanks, Yonatan -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/MIDI-splitter-tf2473351.html#a6896525 Sent from the linux-audio-user mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From kpanic at muppetslab.org Thu Oct 19 09:20:24 2006 From: kpanic at muppetslab.org (Marco Milanesi) Date: Thu Oct 19 09:20:39 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [NEWBIE] v-synth, good firewire/usb audio 'box' or what? Message-ID: <20061019132024.GR15928@innerloop.it> hi, I have a v-synth (http://v-synth.com) and want to control it via midi (I think that it does not firewire, only usb), upload/download pcm patches, connect it to my notebook and desktop. WARNING: this message will be confused because I'm confused from the plethora of options :) my problem is that I want an hobbyst 'audio box' (i.e. external via firewire or usb) but that does not suck at performance. I mean, I'm no professional but want to have a discrete audio fidelty. So how do I connect all the things 1) MIDI - via usb midi? (or firewire-midi if is supported both on v-synth and linux) 2) is better, for the external box, the firewire or usb option? it depends on the v-synth side? 3) How do I route SPDIF from the synth to the computer though the audio box? 4) I want also to mix the computer signal with the synth. ok, I'm done for know. I think that I have put a lot of confusion in this message, but I'm not into this hardware stuff/devices. Thanks in advance, Marco -- ,= ,-_-. =. ------------------------------------------------------- + ((_/)o o(\_)) jabber:kpanic@jabber.linux.it/msn:kpanic@muppetslab.org | `-'(. .)`- #muppetslab@irc.freenode.net | \_/ The more I see, the less I know | From dlphillips at woh.rr.com Thu Oct 19 10:04:52 2006 From: dlphillips at woh.rr.com (Dave Phillips) Date: Thu Oct 19 09:38:18 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Fractal Music for Linux In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <45378604.7040200@woh.rr.com> Personal favorites: Pure Data, aka Pd - http://crca.ucsd.edu/~msp/software.html Common Music - http://ccrma.stanford.edu/software/cm/doc/cm.html Csound5 - http://www.csounds.com From chip.vandan at gmail.com Thu Oct 19 10:31:18 2006 From: chip.vandan at gmail.com (Chip VanDan) Date: Thu Oct 19 10:31:30 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Fractal Music for Linux In-Reply-To: <45378604.7040200@woh.rr.com> References: <45378604.7040200@woh.rr.com> Message-ID: I don't want to get too complex with things, I'm just figuring out Hydrogen and amSynth. Working on figuring out Ardour. On 19/10/06, Dave Phillips wrote: > > Personal favorites: > > Pure Data, aka Pd - http://crca.ucsd.edu/~msp/software.html > > Common Music - http://ccrma.stanford.edu/software/cm/doc/cm.html > > Csound5 - http://www.csounds.com > > -- -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- Version: 3.12 GCA/FA/S/O d+(--) s+: a-- C+++ L++ P E-- W++ N- o K? w O-- M- V- PS+ PE- Y+ PGP t- 5-- X R- !tv b++ DI++ D+ G+ e+/++ h--- r--/+++ z+++(*) ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------ From rlrevell at joe-job.com Thu Oct 19 10:58:28 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Thu Oct 19 10:58:30 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] .asoundrc for dummies In-Reply-To: <5cac3e5529ac19403181b43496f8056e@knorca.se> References: <5cac3e5529ac19403181b43496f8056e@knorca.se> Message-ID: <1161269909.15860.189.camel@mindpipe> On Thu, 2006-10-19 at 12:34 +0200, Mathias Friman wrote: > Hi list. > > Since I'm not a programmer, trying to document the .asoundrc syntax is > somewhat cumbersome. > > I'm writing an introductory howto for linux music making, in swedish, > and I can't really get a grasp > of the syntax in .asoundrc or any other alsa configuration file (like > those in /usr/share/alsa/) for that matter. > > I wonder if anyone got easy-to-understand links for this, except the > ALSA-wiki and the Gentoo ALSA-howto? > These both round up an endless number of examples, but does leave out > (IMHO) important parts that is needed > for a thourough understanding if you're a moron like me. ;) > Normal users should never have to understand .asoundrc syntax or use an .asoundrc at all. The best advice you can give is to forget there is any such thing as an .asoundrc, and consider it an ALSA bug if their soundcard does not do the right thing without one. Lee From rlrevell at joe-job.com Thu Oct 19 11:01:17 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Thu Oct 19 11:01:15 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Good News About Realtime Kernel As Standard In-Reply-To: <200610190211.36938.stuff@trackingsolutions.ca> References: <45316320.1000300@tiscali.co.uk> <200610190211.36938.stuff@trackingsolutions.ca> Message-ID: <1161270078.15860.191.camel@mindpipe> On Thu, 2006-10-19 at 02:11 -0600, stuff@trackingsolutions.ca wrote: > So is it in 2.6.28? And if so is it going to be tough to get running? > Recompile? > No, it's not in 2.6.18, and it's not any easier to get running than any previous version. That article is about future plans. > On Saturday 14 October 2006 4:22 pm, guy wrote: > > Its looking promising > > > > http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS9566944929.html > > > > > > > > > > ___________________________________________________________ > > Inbox full of spam? Get leading spam protection and 1GB storage with All > > New Yahoo! Mail. http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/nowyoucan.html > From pw_lists at slinkp.com Thu Oct 19 11:45:05 2006 From: pw_lists at slinkp.com (Paul Winkler) Date: Thu Oct 19 11:45:27 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] flash 9 beta Message-ID: <20061019154505.GB7333@slinkp.com> finally! http://labs.adobe.com/technologies/flashplayer9/ seems to work here with firefox 1.5.0.7. *much* better sound synchronization - i can finally watch stuff on youtube without screaming in frustration. -- Paul Winkler http://www.slinkp.com From rlrevell at joe-job.com Thu Oct 19 12:32:24 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Thu Oct 19 12:33:11 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] flash 9 beta In-Reply-To: <20061019154505.GB7333@slinkp.com> References: <20061019154505.GB7333@slinkp.com> Message-ID: <1161275544.15860.201.camel@mindpipe> On Thu, 2006-10-19 at 11:45 -0400, Paul Winkler wrote: > finally! > http://labs.adobe.com/technologies/flashplayer9/ > seems to work here with firefox 1.5.0.7. > > *much* better sound synchronization - i can finally watch stuff on > youtube without screaming in frustration. > ARRRGGGGGGHHHHHHHH!!!!!!! On my 600Mhz machine (which plays big divx DVD and HDTV rips perfectly in full screen mode) I get at MOST 1 FPS. Most YouTube videos never play - the red bar fills up, I see the first frame, and can fast forward and rewind, but the video behaves as if it's always paused. Guess I'll have to go back to Windows if I want to use this new & improved proprietary multimedia Internet... sigh... it was fun while it lasted. Lee From paniq at paniq.org Thu Oct 19 12:47:39 2006 From: paniq at paniq.org (Leonard "paniq" Ritter) Date: Thu Oct 19 12:47:52 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] flash 9 beta In-Reply-To: <1161275544.15860.201.camel@mindpipe> References: <20061019154505.GB7333@slinkp.com> <1161275544.15860.201.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <1161276459.6234.38.camel@localhost> we need an authoring tool for svg animations, and better support for various svg properties in firefox. On Thu, 2006-10-19 at 12:32 -0400, Lee Revell wrote: > On Thu, 2006-10-19 at 11:45 -0400, Paul Winkler wrote: > > finally! > > http://labs.adobe.com/technologies/flashplayer9/ > > seems to work here with firefox 1.5.0.7. > > > > *much* better sound synchronization - i can finally watch stuff on > > youtube without screaming in frustration. > > > > ARRRGGGGGGHHHHHHHH!!!!!!! On my 600Mhz machine (which plays big divx > DVD and HDTV rips perfectly in full screen mode) I get at MOST 1 FPS. > Most YouTube videos never play - the red bar fills up, I see the first > frame, and can fast forward and rewind, but the video behaves as if it's > always paused. > > > Guess I'll have to go back to Windows if I want to use this new & > improved proprietary multimedia Internet... sigh... it was fun while it > lasted. > > Lee > -- -- leonard "paniq" ritter -- http://www.mjoo.org -- http://www.paniq.org From brad at sonaural.com Thu Oct 19 13:13:46 2006 From: brad at sonaural.com (Brad Fuller) Date: Thu Oct 19 13:14:16 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] flash 9 beta In-Reply-To: <1161275544.15860.201.camel@mindpipe> References: <20061019154505.GB7333@slinkp.com> <1161275544.15860.201.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <4537B24A.4020301@sonaural.com> Lee Revell wrote: > On Thu, 2006-10-19 at 11:45 -0400, Paul Winkler wrote: > >> finally! >> http://labs.adobe.com/technologies/flashplayer9/ >> seems to work here with firefox 1.5.0.7. >> >> *much* better sound synchronization - i can finally watch stuff on >> youtube without screaming in frustration. >> >> > > ARRRGGGGGGHHHHHHHH!!!!!!! On my 600Mhz machine (which plays big divx > DVD and HDTV rips perfectly in full screen mode) Really? you have a 600MHz and it plays HD ok? What are the files? Do you have a XvMC board that assists? From rlrevell at joe-job.com Thu Oct 19 13:28:11 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Thu Oct 19 13:28:07 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] flash 9 beta In-Reply-To: <4537B24A.4020301@sonaural.com> References: <20061019154505.GB7333@slinkp.com> <1161275544.15860.201.camel@mindpipe> <4537B24A.4020301@sonaural.com> Message-ID: <1161278892.15860.211.camel@mindpipe> On Thu, 2006-10-19 at 10:13 -0700, Brad Fuller wrote: > Lee Revell wrote: > > On Thu, 2006-10-19 at 11:45 -0400, Paul Winkler wrote: > > > >> finally! > >> http://labs.adobe.com/technologies/flashplayer9/ > >> seems to work here with firefox 1.5.0.7. > >> > >> *much* better sound synchronization - i can finally watch stuff on > >> youtube without screaming in frustration. > >> > >> > > > > ARRRGGGGGGHHHHHHHH!!!!!!! On my 600Mhz machine (which plays big divx > > DVD and HDTV rips perfectly in full screen mode) > Really? you have a 600MHz and it plays HD ok? Yep. Sometimes I have to pass -framedrop to mplayer, but most stuff just works, and the frame dropping is never noticeable or annoying. > What are the files? Do you have a XvMC board that assists? > No hardware acceleration. The last HD file I played was a Sopranos episode I think. Actually, some HD files don't play (like the Spike Lee Katrina documentary) but it's very rare. It's just Flash video that usually doesn't work. The standard 'DVD compressed to fit on 2 CDs' plays *perfectly*. I tried Google video and it's slightly better than YouTube (I got 5-6 FPS with the Diet Coke & Mentos video). So the Youtube player might be the problem. Better than previous versions for sure, but still nowhere near as good as an embedded .wmv/.mpg/.avi. Lee From rlrevell at joe-job.com Thu Oct 19 13:35:52 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Thu Oct 19 13:35:49 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] flash 9 beta In-Reply-To: <20061019154505.GB7333@slinkp.com> References: <20061019154505.GB7333@slinkp.com> Message-ID: <1161279352.15860.215.camel@mindpipe> On Thu, 2006-10-19 at 11:45 -0400, Paul Winkler wrote: > finally! > http://labs.adobe.com/technologies/flashplayer9/ > seems to work here with firefox 1.5.0.7. > > *much* better sound synchronization - i can finally watch stuff on > youtube without screaming in frustration. > Can someone test whether it works with dmix? I ran strings on the binary and the only ALSA device name I saw was "plughw:0,0" which is worrisome. Is there a way to select the sound device? I couldn't find one. Surely it isn't hardcoded to use device 0? Lee From job17and9 at sbcglobal.net Thu Oct 19 13:35:48 2006 From: job17and9 at sbcglobal.net (Brian Dunn) Date: Thu Oct 19 13:36:44 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Fractal Music for Linux In-Reply-To: References: <45378604.7040200@woh.rr.com> Message-ID: <4537B774.4070404@sbcglobal.net> Chip VanDan wrote: > I don't want to get too complex with things, I'm just figuring out > Hydrogen and amSynth. Working on figuring out Ardour. > Seems to me that fractals are complex by nature. If you want a tool that will realy let you generate music with math equations, that will probably be complex too. Are you interested in creating like, midi sequences with fractals and then piping them into synths, or more directly creating sound from the fractals? Those packages your figuring out will be useful for the former, but not for the latter. Of course, no matter where you get your signals from you'll probably want to polish them off with ardour. From perodog at gmx.net Thu Oct 19 13:39:40 2006 From: perodog at gmx.net (Dragan Noveski) Date: Thu Oct 19 13:39:48 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] flash 9 beta In-Reply-To: <1161278892.15860.211.camel@mindpipe> References: <20061019154505.GB7333@slinkp.com> <1161275544.15860.201.camel@mindpipe> <4537B24A.4020301@sonaural.com> <1161278892.15860.211.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <4537B85C.9040005@gmx.net> Lee Revell wrote: > On Thu, 2006-10-19 at 10:13 -0700, Brad Fuller wrote: > >> Lee Revell wrote: >> >>> On Thu, 2006-10-19 at 11:45 -0400, Paul Winkler wrote: >>> >>> >>>> finally! >>>> http://labs.adobe.com/technologies/flashplayer9/ >>>> seems to work here with firefox 1.5.0.7. >>>> >>>> *much* better sound synchronization - i can finally watch stuff on >>>> youtube without screaming in frustration. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> ARRRGGGGGGHHHHHHHH!!!!!!! On my 600Mhz machine (which plays big divx >>> DVD and HDTV rips perfectly in full screen mode) >>> >> Really? you have a 600MHz and it plays HD ok? >> > > Yep. Sometimes I have to pass -framedrop to mplayer, but most stuff > just works, and the frame dropping is never noticeable or annoying. > > >> What are the files? Do you have a XvMC board that assists? >> >> > > No hardware acceleration. The last HD file I played was a Sopranos > episode I think. Actually, some HD files don't play (like the Spike Lee > Katrina documentary) but it's very rare. It's just Flash video that > usually doesn't work. The standard 'DVD compressed to fit on 2 CDs' > plays *perfectly*. > > I tried Google video and it's slightly better than YouTube (I got 5-6 > FPS with the Diet Coke & Mentos video). So the Youtube player might be > the problem. > > Better than previous versions for sure, but still nowhere near as good > as an embedded .wmv/.mpg/.avi. > > Lee > > > > but why sometimes i am able to run flash and the sound output goes to jack, than i am even able to record this with b.e. jack_capture, and sometimes, like at YouTube, i have to stop jackd to get some sound out of the flashpalyer? cheers, doc From ce at christeck.de Thu Oct 19 13:44:21 2006 From: ce at christeck.de (Christoph Eckert) Date: Thu Oct 19 13:44:02 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] MIDI splitter In-Reply-To: <6896525.post@talk.nabble.com> References: <6896525.post@talk.nabble.com> Message-ID: <200610191944.21885.ce@christeck.de> > When choosing a MIDI keyboard controller, is the abillity to split > the keyboard into different zones an essential feature of the > keyboard itself, or can it be done with software for keyboards that > don't provide this ability built-it? ?I did come across ace, "a > command line midi splitter/processor especially suited for live, > keyboard-driven use together with csound," although I don't know if > a) this is the correct tool or b) if it works in a jack/alsa based > environment (e.g. put in other words, I load my virtual instruments > and they appear in qjackctl as MIDI writeable clients, and I plug in > the keyboard and it appears in qjackctl as MIDI readable clients. > ?The question is how can I divide the MIDI output from the keyboard > to different instruments based on keyboard range.) there's also qmidiroute, as found on alsamodular.sf.net. The splitting is hard coded, but if you're a bit familiar with coding try to follow the qmidiroutr programming tutorial by the author, Matthias Nagorny. Cheers, ce From rlrevell at joe-job.com Thu Oct 19 13:46:06 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Thu Oct 19 13:46:34 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] flash 9 beta In-Reply-To: <4537B85C.9040005@gmx.net> References: <20061019154505.GB7333@slinkp.com> <1161275544.15860.201.camel@mindpipe> <4537B24A.4020301@sonaural.com> <1161278892.15860.211.camel@mindpipe> <4537B85C.9040005@gmx.net> Message-ID: <1161279966.15860.217.camel@mindpipe> On Thu, 2006-10-19 at 19:39 +0200, Dragan Noveski wrote: > but why sometimes i am able to run flash and the sound output goes to > jack, than i am even able to record this with b.e. jack_capture, and > sometimes, like at YouTube, i have to stop jackd to get some sound > out of the flashpalyer? > No idea. With the new Flash player it should not be necessary to stop JACK. Lee From michael at michaelshiloh.com Thu Oct 19 13:48:17 2006 From: michael at michaelshiloh.com (michael@michaelshiloh.com) Date: Thu Oct 19 13:50:26 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Fractal Music for Linux In-Reply-To: <45378604.7040200@woh.rr.com> References: <45378604.7040200@woh.rr.com> Message-ID: Speaking of common music, does anyone know if it's available for ubuntu yet? it was listed as a wishlist item in the old version of the ubuntu studio website. On Thu, 19 Oct 2006, Dave Phillips wrote: > > Personal favorites: > > Pure Data, aka Pd - http://crca.ucsd.edu/~msp/software.html > > Common Music - http://ccrma.stanford.edu/software/cm/doc/cm.html > > Csound5 - http://www.csounds.com > > From perodog at gmx.net Thu Oct 19 14:00:08 2006 From: perodog at gmx.net (Dragan Noveski) Date: Thu Oct 19 14:00:18 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] flash 9 beta In-Reply-To: <1161279966.15860.217.camel@mindpipe> References: <20061019154505.GB7333@slinkp.com> <1161275544.15860.201.camel@mindpipe> <4537B24A.4020301@sonaural.com> <1161278892.15860.211.camel@mindpipe> <4537B85C.9040005@gmx.net> <1161279966.15860.217.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <4537BD28.7030800@gmx.net> Lee Revell wrote: > On Thu, 2006-10-19 at 19:39 +0200, Dragan Noveski wrote: > >> but why sometimes i am able to run flash and the sound output goes to >> jack, than i am even able to record this with b.e. jack_capture, and >> sometimes, like at YouTube, i have to stop jackd to get some sound >> out of the flashpalyer? >> >> > > No idea. With the new Flash player it should not be necessary to stop > JACK. > > Lee > > > in my case, i used fp7 and have had the same behavior like with the fp9. sometimes have to stop jack, perhaps it is about the player on the other side of the connection? cheers, doc From rlrevell at joe-job.com Thu Oct 19 14:09:09 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Thu Oct 19 14:09:06 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] flash 9 beta In-Reply-To: <4537BD28.7030800@gmx.net> References: <20061019154505.GB7333@slinkp.com> <1161275544.15860.201.camel@mindpipe> <4537B24A.4020301@sonaural.com> <1161278892.15860.211.camel@mindpipe> <4537B85C.9040005@gmx.net> <1161279966.15860.217.camel@mindpipe> <4537BD28.7030800@gmx.net> Message-ID: <1161281350.15860.223.camel@mindpipe> On Thu, 2006-10-19 at 20:00 +0200, Dragan Noveski wrote: > Lee Revell wrote: > > On Thu, 2006-10-19 at 19:39 +0200, Dragan Noveski wrote: > > > >> but why sometimes i am able to run flash and the sound output goes to > >> jack, than i am even able to record this with b.e. jack_capture, and > >> sometimes, like at YouTube, i have to stop jackd to get some sound > >> out of the flashpalyer? > >> > >> > > > > No idea. With the new Flash player it should not be necessary to stop > > JACK. > > > > Lee > > > > > > > in my case, i used fp7 and have had the same behavior like with the fp9. > sometimes have to stop jack, perhaps it is about the player on the other > side of the connection? No, it couldn't be the other side. Forget FP7, it *definitely* cannot work with other sound apps... Do you have an .asoundrc? You shouldn't. Lee From rlrevell at joe-job.com Thu Oct 19 14:10:32 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Thu Oct 19 14:10:33 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] flash 9 beta In-Reply-To: <4537BD28.7030800@gmx.net> References: <20061019154505.GB7333@slinkp.com> <1161275544.15860.201.camel@mindpipe> <4537B24A.4020301@sonaural.com> <1161278892.15860.211.camel@mindpipe> <4537B85C.9040005@gmx.net> <1161279966.15860.217.camel@mindpipe> <4537BD28.7030800@gmx.net> Message-ID: <1161281433.15860.225.camel@mindpipe> On Thu, 2006-10-19 at 20:00 +0200, Dragan Noveski wrote: > in my case, i used fp7 and have had the same behavior like with the > fp9. sometimes have to stop jack, perhaps it is about the player on > the other side of the connection? JACK cannot coexist with other sound apps if you have no hardware mixing, unless you configure it to use the "default" device rather than hw:x. Lee From brad at sonaural.com Thu Oct 19 14:07:12 2006 From: brad at sonaural.com (Brad Fuller) Date: Thu Oct 19 14:11:27 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] flash 9 beta In-Reply-To: <1161279352.15860.215.camel@mindpipe> References: <20061019154505.GB7333@slinkp.com> <1161279352.15860.215.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <4537BED0.6080500@sonaural.com> Lee Revell wrote: > On Thu, 2006-10-19 at 11:45 -0400, Paul Winkler wrote: > >> finally! >> http://labs.adobe.com/technologies/flashplayer9/ >> seems to work here with firefox 1.5.0.7. >> >> *much* better sound synchronization - i can finally watch stuff on >> youtube without screaming in frustration. >> >> > > Can someone test whether it works with dmix? I ran strings on the > binary and the only ALSA device name I saw was "plughw:0,0" which is > worrisome. > > Is there a way to select the sound device? I couldn't find one. Surely > it isn't hardcoded to use device 0? > wouldn't it use the facility (for lack of a better word) of the browser? The current browser's use OSS. From k.s.matheussen at notam02.no Thu Oct 19 14:22:25 2006 From: k.s.matheussen at notam02.no (Kjetil S. Matheussen) Date: Thu Oct 19 14:22:38 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: flash 9 beta In-Reply-To: <20061019173652.AB00E388062E@music.columbia.edu> References: <20061019173652.AB00E388062E@music.columbia.edu> Message-ID: Lee Revell: > Subject: Re: [linux-audio-user] flash 9 beta > To: A list for linux audio users > Message-ID: <1161275544.15860.201.camel@mindpipe> > Content-Type: text/plain > > On Thu, 2006-10-19 at 11:45 -0400, Paul Winkler wrote: >> finally! >> http://labs.adobe.com/technologies/flashplayer9/ >> seems to work here with firefox 1.5.0.7. >> >> *much* better sound synchronization - i can finally watch stuff on >> youtube without screaming in frustration. >> > > ARRRGGGGGGHHHHHHHH!!!!!!! On my 600Mhz machine (which plays big divx > DVD and HDTV rips perfectly in full screen mode) I get at MOST 1 FPS. > Most YouTube videos never play - the red bar fills up, I see the first > frame, and can fast forward and rewind, but the video behaves as if it's > always paused. > > > Guess I'll have to go back to Windows if I want to use this new & > improved proprietary multimedia Internet... sigh... it was fun while it > lasted. > > Lee > You could try to use vmware. Youtube seems to play perfectly through vmware on my machine (even in fullscreen), but thats an xp2800 though. (And heres an experimental jack-wrapper for vmware: http://www.notam02.no/~kjetism/vmwaredsp-1.3jack.tar.gz ) From rlrevell at joe-job.com Thu Oct 19 14:28:25 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Thu Oct 19 14:28:24 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] flash 9 beta In-Reply-To: <4537BED0.6080500@sonaural.com> References: <20061019154505.GB7333@slinkp.com> <1161279352.15860.215.camel@mindpipe> <4537BED0.6080500@sonaural.com> Message-ID: <1161282505.15860.227.camel@mindpipe> On Thu, 2006-10-19 at 11:07 -0700, Brad Fuller wrote: > Lee Revell wrote: > > On Thu, 2006-10-19 at 11:45 -0400, Paul Winkler wrote: > > > >> finally! > >> http://labs.adobe.com/technologies/flashplayer9/ > >> seems to work here with firefox 1.5.0.7. > >> > >> *much* better sound synchronization - i can finally watch stuff on > >> youtube without screaming in frustration. > >> > >> > > > > Can someone test whether it works with dmix? I ran strings on the > > binary and the only ALSA device name I saw was "plughw:0,0" which is > > worrisome. > > > > Is there a way to select the sound device? I couldn't find one. Surely > > it isn't hardcoded to use device 0? > > > wouldn't it use the facility (for lack of a better word) of the browser? > The current browser's use OSS. > No, it's not the browser that uses OSS but the flash applet. The flash player accesses the sound system directly, it does not go through the browser. Lee From rlrevell at joe-job.com Thu Oct 19 14:30:59 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Thu Oct 19 14:30:56 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: flash 9 beta In-Reply-To: References: <20061019173652.AB00E388062E@music.columbia.edu> Message-ID: <1161282660.15860.230.camel@mindpipe> On Thu, 2006-10-19 at 20:22 +0200, Kjetil S. Matheussen wrote: > You could try to use vmware. Youtube seems to play perfectly through > vmware on my machine (even in fullscreen), but thats an xp2800 > though. Actually I think it's a bug specific to YouTube. Other users report the exact same issue: http://www.adobe.com/cfusion/webforums/forum/messageview.cfm?forumid=72&catid=616&threadid=1206328&enterthread=y "Here when playing a video on YouTube, it stops after 2s, moving the cursor to the right make it play another 2s but never more. " Lee From perodog at gmx.net Thu Oct 19 14:58:54 2006 From: perodog at gmx.net (Dragan Noveski) Date: Thu Oct 19 14:59:00 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] flash 9 beta In-Reply-To: <1161281350.15860.223.camel@mindpipe> References: <20061019154505.GB7333@slinkp.com> <1161275544.15860.201.camel@mindpipe> <4537B24A.4020301@sonaural.com> <1161278892.15860.211.camel@mindpipe> <4537B85C.9040005@gmx.net> <1161279966.15860.217.camel@mindpipe> <4537BD28.7030800@gmx.net> <1161281350.15860.223.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <4537CAEE.2010301@gmx.net> Lee Revell wrote: > On Thu, 2006-10-19 at 20:00 +0200, Dragan Noveski wrote: > >> Lee Revell wrote: >> >>> On Thu, 2006-10-19 at 19:39 +0200, Dragan Noveski wrote: >>> >>> >>>> but why sometimes i am able to run flash and the sound output goes to >>>> jack, than i am even able to record this with b.e. jack_capture, and >>>> sometimes, like at YouTube, i have to stop jackd to get some sound >>>> out of the flashpalyer? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> No idea. With the new Flash player it should not be necessary to stop >>> JACK. >>> >>> Lee >>> >>> >>> >>> >> in my case, i used fp7 and have had the same behavior like with the fp9. >> sometimes have to stop jack, perhaps it is about the player on the other >> side of the connection? >> > > No, it couldn't be the other side. > > Forget FP7, it *definitely* cannot work with other sound apps... > > Do you have an .asoundrc? You shouldn't. > > Lee > > > i removed .asoundrc, but still the same issue? have now libflashplayer.so in my homedir and in /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins installed. cheers, doc From brad at sonaural.com Thu Oct 19 14:49:06 2006 From: brad at sonaural.com (Brad Fuller) Date: Thu Oct 19 15:04:11 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] flash 9 beta In-Reply-To: <1161282505.15860.227.camel@mindpipe> References: <20061019154505.GB7333@slinkp.com> <1161279352.15860.215.camel@mindpipe> <4537BED0.6080500@sonaural.com> <1161282505.15860.227.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <4537C8A2.2040402@sonaural.com> Lee Revell wrote: > On Thu, 2006-10-19 at 11:07 -0700, Brad Fuller wrote: > >> Lee Revell wrote: >> >>> On Thu, 2006-10-19 at 11:45 -0400, Paul Winkler wrote: >>> >>> >>>> finally! >>>> http://labs.adobe.com/technologies/flashplayer9/ >>>> seems to work here with firefox 1.5.0.7. >>>> >>>> *much* better sound synchronization - i can finally watch stuff on >>>> youtube without screaming in frustration. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> Can someone test whether it works with dmix? I ran strings on the >>> binary and the only ALSA device name I saw was "plughw:0,0" which is >>> worrisome. >>> >>> Is there a way to select the sound device? I couldn't find one. Surely >>> it isn't hardcoded to use device 0? >>> >>> >> wouldn't it use the facility (for lack of a better word) of the browser? >> The current browser's use OSS. >> >> > > No, it's not the browser that uses OSS but the flash applet. The flash > player accesses the sound system directly, it does not go through the > browser. > Good to know, thanks. So, is fp9 using OSS or ALSA? From chip.vandan at gmail.com Thu Oct 19 15:04:19 2006 From: chip.vandan at gmail.com (Chip VanDan) Date: Thu Oct 19 15:05:02 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Fractal Music for Linux In-Reply-To: <4537B774.4070404@sbcglobal.net> References: <45378604.7040200@woh.rr.com> <4537B774.4070404@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: I have no specific plans as of yet, I have a tendency to play around until I find useful function. That's part of the reason I have taken so long to get to ardour. I imagine some fractal music would sound interesting with some of my synth patches, but I don't have any specific plans for it. I still don't know how to pipe a midi file into the synth, I've just been playing with vkeybd. On 19/10/06, Brian Dunn wrote: > Chip VanDan wrote: > > I don't want to get too complex with things, I'm just figuring out > > Hydrogen and amSynth. Working on figuring out Ardour. > > > Seems to me that fractals are complex by nature. If you want a tool > that will realy let you generate music with math equations, that will > probably be complex too. > > Are you interested in creating like, midi sequences with fractals and > then piping them into synths, or more directly creating sound from the > fractals? Those packages your figuring out will be useful for the > former, but not for the latter. Of course, no matter where you get your > signals from you'll probably want to polish them off with ardour. > -- -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- Version: 3.12 GCA/FA/S/O d+(--) s+: a-- C+++ L++ P E-- W++ N- o K? w O-- M- V- PS+ PE- Y+ PGP t- 5-- X R- !tv b++ DI++ D+ G+ e+/++ h--- r--/+++ z+++(*) ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------ From ireneshusband at gmail.com Thu Oct 19 16:02:47 2006 From: ireneshusband at gmail.com (Robert Persson) Date: Thu Oct 19 16:02:19 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] flash 9 beta In-Reply-To: <1161275544.15860.201.camel@mindpipe> References: <20061019154505.GB7333@slinkp.com> <1161275544.15860.201.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <4537D9E7.1000702@gmail.com> Lee Revell wrote: > ARRRGGGGGGHHHHHHHH!!!!!!! On my 600Mhz machine (which plays big divx > DVD and HDTV rips perfectly in full screen mode) I get at MOST 1 FPS. > Most YouTube videos never play - the red bar fills up, I see the first > frame, and can fast forward and rewind, but the video behaves as if it's > always paused. > > > Guess I'll have to go back to Windows if I want to use this new & > improved proprietary multimedia Internet... sigh... it was fun while it > lasted. > I tried YouTube once and I was massively unimpressed, both by the technical problems and by the total lack of anything worth watching. I have been much more impressed with Democracy Player -- http://www.getdemocracy.com. It's GPL for a start and works fine with Linux. You download movies by podcast or bittorrent rather than watching live feeds, so if you are prepared to wait a few minutes for something worth watching rather than getting instant crap then it will probably suit you better than The Services Everyone Else Uses. Highlights for me so far have been some shorts about censorship (e.g. "Eyes on the Fair Use Prize"), the music video of Scott Walker's "Jesse", and some extended footage of a baby panda called Tai Shan beating up his mother. You'd need to rummage for them, but they are there somewhere. All in full screen of course. And you can save movies permanently if you like. And you can use it for your audio podcasts as well. Robert From lau at kudla.org Thu Oct 19 16:05:26 2006 From: lau at kudla.org (Rob) Date: Thu Oct 19 16:06:07 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] flash 9 beta In-Reply-To: <1161276459.6234.38.camel@localhost> References: <20061019154505.GB7333@slinkp.com> <1161275544.15860.201.camel@mindpipe> <1161276459.6234.38.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <200610191605.26586.lau@kudla.org> On Thursday 19 October 2006 12:47, Leonard "paniq" Ritter wrote: > we need an authoring tool for svg animations, and better > support for various svg properties in firefox. I think putting a lot of effort into SVG is kinda moot now since Adobe is killing its SVG plugin for IE at the end of next year.... unless Firefox gets a majority market share or someone gets a free software IE plugin released by then. Beyond that, though, most of this discussion is about streaming video and audio sync, neither of which SVG was ever intended to support. I think the Gnash project has a better chance of catching up with Flash than SVG plus (whatever other technologies would be needed to recreate the functionality of Flash) does, so I hope free software SWF authoring tools continue to improve. Rob From _ at whats-your.name Thu Oct 19 16:06:18 2006 From: _ at whats-your.name (carmen) Date: Thu Oct 19 16:06:52 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] flash 9 beta In-Reply-To: <4537D9E7.1000702@gmail.com> References: <20061019154505.GB7333@slinkp.com> <1161275544.15860.201.camel@mindpipe> <4537D9E7.1000702@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20061019200618.GA9093@replic.net> > I tried YouTube once and I was massively unimpressed, both by the > technical problems and by the total lack of anything worth watching. > > I have been much more impressed with Democracy Player -- > http://www.getdemocracy.com. It's GPL for a start yep, score one for the VLC/XUL crew on this one any way to get it to browse GooTube via RSS or something? From lau at kudla.org Thu Oct 19 16:13:17 2006 From: lau at kudla.org (Rob) Date: Thu Oct 19 16:13:49 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] flash 9 beta In-Reply-To: <4537D9E7.1000702@gmail.com> References: <20061019154505.GB7333@slinkp.com> <1161275544.15860.201.camel@mindpipe> <4537D9E7.1000702@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200610191613.17597.lau@kudla.org> On Thursday 19 October 2006 16:02, Robert Persson wrote: > up his mother. You'd need to rummage for them, but they are > there somewhere. All in full screen of course. And you can > save movies permanently if you like. And you can use it for While I agree that Youtube is 99 and 44/100 percent crap, I've never watched one of their videos here in my browser at home. There's a Greasemonkey script for Firefox that converts the embedded video into a download link, which lets you save the .flv file to your hard disk for playback or conversion using mplayer. The quality doesn't improve at all but at least it's permanent (and since most of the good stuff on Youtube is illegally posted, like Lazy Sunday, you can't underestimate the importance of that feature.) Rob From rlrevell at joe-job.com Thu Oct 19 16:13:50 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Thu Oct 19 16:14:04 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] flash 9 beta In-Reply-To: <4537D9E7.1000702@gmail.com> References: <20061019154505.GB7333@slinkp.com> <1161275544.15860.201.camel@mindpipe> <4537D9E7.1000702@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1161288830.15860.241.camel@mindpipe> On Thu, 2006-10-19 at 13:02 -0700, Robert Persson wrote: > I tried YouTube once and I was massively unimpressed, both by the > technical problems and by the total lack of anything worth watching. Yeah, watching kids re-enact scenes from Nintendo games isn't my cup of tea either. But like it or not it's the killer app of the web these days... Lee From eviltwin69 at cableone.net Thu Oct 19 16:00:13 2006 From: eviltwin69 at cableone.net (Jan Depner) Date: Thu Oct 19 16:18:57 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] flash 9 beta In-Reply-To: <4537D9E7.1000702@gmail.com> References: <20061019154505.GB7333@slinkp.com> <1161275544.15860.201.camel@mindpipe> <4537D9E7.1000702@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1161288013.25215.2.camel@eviltwin> On Thu, 2006-10-19 at 13:02 -0700, Robert Persson wrote: > Lee Revell wrote: > > ARRRGGGGGGHHHHHHHH!!!!!!! On my 600Mhz machine (which plays big divx > > DVD and HDTV rips perfectly in full screen mode) I get at MOST 1 FPS. > > Most YouTube videos never play - the red bar fills up, I see the first > > frame, and can fast forward and rewind, but the video behaves as if it's > > always paused. > > > > > > Guess I'll have to go back to Windows if I want to use this new & > > improved proprietary multimedia Internet... sigh... it was fun while it > > lasted. > > > I tried YouTube once and I was massively unimpressed, both by the > technical problems and by the total lack of anything worth watching. Buckethead. -- Jan 'Evil Twin' Depner http://myweb.cableone.net/eviltwin69 "Life should NOT be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in an attractive and well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, chardonnay in one hand, chocolate in the other, body thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and screaming 'WOO HOO, what a ride'" From hardbop200 at gmail.com Thu Oct 19 16:30:37 2006 From: hardbop200 at gmail.com (Josh Lawrence) Date: Thu Oct 19 16:31:06 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] flash 9 beta In-Reply-To: <1161288830.15860.241.camel@mindpipe> References: <20061019154505.GB7333@slinkp.com> <1161275544.15860.201.camel@mindpipe> <4537D9E7.1000702@gmail.com> <1161288830.15860.241.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: On 10/19/06, Lee Revell wrote: > On Thu, 2006-10-19 at 13:02 -0700, Robert Persson wrote: > > I tried YouTube once and I was massively unimpressed, both by the > > technical problems and by the total lack of anything worth watching. > > Yeah, watching kids re-enact scenes from Nintendo games isn't my cup of > tea either. But like it or not it's the killer app of the web these > days... > > Lee I have been paying a lot of attention to YouTube lately, and yes, just like anything else, most of it is crap. But there is a lot of good stuff, too. For example, I've been watching videos of my favorite jazz artists lately. I've gotten to watch Bill Evans, Joe Morello, Charlie Parker, and many others. This is a good thing, for me anyway. -- Josh Lawrence http://www.hardbop200.com From paul at linuxaudiosystems.com Thu Oct 19 16:30:34 2006 From: paul at linuxaudiosystems.com (Paul Davis) Date: Thu Oct 19 16:31:18 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] flash 9 beta In-Reply-To: <4537D9E7.1000702@gmail.com> References: <20061019154505.GB7333@slinkp.com> <1161275544.15860.201.camel@mindpipe> <4537D9E7.1000702@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1161289834.17041.172.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Thu, 2006-10-19 at 13:02 -0700, Robert Persson wrote: > Lee Revell wrote: > > ARRRGGGGGGHHHHHHHH!!!!!!! On my 600Mhz machine (which plays big divx > > DVD and HDTV rips perfectly in full screen mode) I get at MOST 1 FPS. > > Most YouTube videos never play - the red bar fills up, I see the first > > frame, and can fast forward and rewind, but the video behaves as if it's > > always paused. > > > > > > Guess I'll have to go back to Windows if I want to use this new & > > improved proprietary multimedia Internet... sigh... it was fun while it > > lasted. > > > I tried YouTube once and I was massively unimpressed, both by the > technical problems and by the total lack of anything worth watching. I don't have cable TV and without YT's probably illegal content i would never have seen Stephen Colbert finally roast the president of the US and the media, would never have seen Keith Olbermann savage the US secretary of defense ala Murrow, and would never have seen Jon Stewart ridicule countless fools who needed to be ridiculed. Maybe its only 0.001% of the content of YT, but surviving in the US right now is miserable enough, and not having the sense that some widely watched entertainers don't like the situation either would make it even harder. --p From aaron at nquit.com Thu Oct 19 16:36:18 2006 From: aaron at nquit.com (Aaron Trumm) Date: Thu Oct 19 16:35:39 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] OT: more gear for auction References: <007d01c53e0b$6d94ae30$6500a8c0@nquitlaptop><200504101639.12601.reuben.m@gmail.com><012301c53e73$8e4b2e20$6500a8c0@nquitlaptop> <200504111234.36644.reuben.m@gmail.com> Message-ID: <002601c6f3be$3c0b30e0$6a00a8c0@trummlaptop> Well, thought you guys would be interested, so here ya go - 2 Darwins, a DAT and a DR660 (that I sold but the dude didn't pay for): Darwin 1: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=220039520173&ssPageName=STRK:MESE:IT&ih=012 Darwin 2: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=220039521040&ssPageName=STRK:MESE:IT&ih=012 DAT: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=220039525031&ssPageName=STRK:MESE:IT&ih=012 DR660 Drum Machine: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=220039529604&ssPageName=STRK:MESE:IT&ih=012 Aaron From hardbop200 at gmail.com Thu Oct 19 17:11:54 2006 From: hardbop200 at gmail.com (Josh Lawrence) Date: Thu Oct 19 17:12:02 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] flash 9 beta In-Reply-To: <1161289834.17041.172.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <20061019154505.GB7333@slinkp.com> <1161275544.15860.201.camel@mindpipe> <4537D9E7.1000702@gmail.com> <1161289834.17041.172.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: On 10/19/06, Paul Davis wrote: > Maybe its only 0.001% of the content of YT, but surviving in the US > right now is miserable enough, and not having the sense that some widely > watched entertainers don't like the situation either would make it even > harder. Simple solution to a simple problem: move. -- Josh Lawrence http://www.hardbop200.com From paul at linuxaudiosystems.com Thu Oct 19 17:14:09 2006 From: paul at linuxaudiosystems.com (Paul Davis) Date: Thu Oct 19 17:14:25 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] flash 9 beta In-Reply-To: References: <20061019154505.GB7333@slinkp.com> <1161275544.15860.201.camel@mindpipe> <4537D9E7.1000702@gmail.com> <1161289834.17041.172.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1161292449.17041.175.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Thu, 2006-10-19 at 16:11 -0500, Josh Lawrence wrote: > On 10/19/06, Paul Davis wrote: > > Maybe its only 0.001% of the content of YT, but surviving in the US > > right now is miserable enough, and not having the sense that some widely > > watched entertainers don't like the situation either would make it even > > harder. > > Simple solution to a simple problem: move. i think a careful analysis will reveal that this is actually a complex answer to a deeply complex problem. From perodog at gmx.net Thu Oct 19 17:30:51 2006 From: perodog at gmx.net (Dragan Noveski) Date: Thu Oct 19 17:30:54 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] flash 9 beta In-Reply-To: <1161281433.15860.225.camel@mindpipe> References: <20061019154505.GB7333@slinkp.com> <1161275544.15860.201.camel@mindpipe> <4537B24A.4020301@sonaural.com> <1161278892.15860.211.camel@mindpipe> <4537B85C.9040005@gmx.net> <1161279966.15860.217.camel@mindpipe> <4537BD28.7030800@gmx.net> <1161281433.15860.225.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <4537EE8B.70804@gmx.net> Lee Revell wrote: > On Thu, 2006-10-19 at 20:00 +0200, Dragan Noveski wrote: > >> in my case, i used fp7 and have had the same behavior like with the >> fp9. sometimes have to stop jack, perhaps it is about the player on >> the other side of the connection? >> > > JACK cannot coexist with other sound apps if you have no hardware > mixing, unless you configure it to use the "default" device rather than > hw:x. > > Lee > > > absolutely right, i hav to set input device, output device as the interface too, to default, than everything works. but when i change the interface from hw:x to default, i also hav to give larger frames/period variable for jack to start. anybody knows why this is so? i mean, it is still the same onbord chip. cheers, doc From rlrevell at joe-job.com Thu Oct 19 17:32:20 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Thu Oct 19 17:32:46 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] flash 9 beta In-Reply-To: <4537EE8B.70804@gmx.net> References: <20061019154505.GB7333@slinkp.com> <1161275544.15860.201.camel@mindpipe> <4537B24A.4020301@sonaural.com> <1161278892.15860.211.camel@mindpipe> <4537B85C.9040005@gmx.net> <1161279966.15860.217.camel@mindpipe> <4537BD28.7030800@gmx.net> <1161281433.15860.225.camel@mindpipe> <4537EE8B.70804@gmx.net> Message-ID: <1161293540.15860.244.camel@mindpipe> On Thu, 2006-10-19 at 23:30 +0200, Dragan Noveski wrote: > Lee Revell wrote: > > On Thu, 2006-10-19 at 20:00 +0200, Dragan Noveski wrote: > > > >> in my case, i used fp7 and have had the same behavior like with the > >> fp9. sometimes have to stop jack, perhaps it is about the player on > >> the other side of the connection? > >> > > > > JACK cannot coexist with other sound apps if you have no hardware > > mixing, unless you configure it to use the "default" device rather than > > hw:x. > > > > Lee > > > > > > > absolutely right, i hav to set input device, output device as the > interface too, to default, than everything works. > but when i change the interface from hw:x to default, i also hav to give > larger frames/period variable for jack to start. > anybody knows why this is so? > i mean, it is still the same onbord chip. Because software mixing requires a bigger buffer than direct unmixed output to hardware. Lee From lau at kudla.org Thu Oct 19 17:26:33 2006 From: lau at kudla.org (Rob) Date: Thu Oct 19 17:40:34 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] flash 9 beta In-Reply-To: <1161289834.17041.172.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <20061019154505.GB7333@slinkp.com> <4537D9E7.1000702@gmail.com> <1161289834.17041.172.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <200610191726.33483.lau@kudla.org> On Thursday 19 October 2006 16:30, Paul Davis wrote: > I don't have cable TV and without YT's probably illegal > content i would never have seen Stephen Colbert finally roast > the president of the US and the media, would never have seen > Keith Olbermann savage the US secretary of defense ala Murrow, > and would never have seen Jon Stewart ridicule countless fools > who needed to be ridiculed. To be fair, though, I got all three of those videos (well, the first two plus various Stewart bits) via Bittorrent. They were of way better quality than the Youtube versions, though the only one that really needed it was the Colbert one. Democracy Player would have gotten me all of those if I had it installed. I do have cable TV, but I would never have known when any of those things originally aired and was probably working when they did, anyway. Rob From perodog at gmx.net Thu Oct 19 17:51:55 2006 From: perodog at gmx.net (Dragan Noveski) Date: Thu Oct 19 17:51:54 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] flash 9 beta In-Reply-To: <1161293540.15860.244.camel@mindpipe> References: <20061019154505.GB7333@slinkp.com> <1161275544.15860.201.camel@mindpipe> <4537B24A.4020301@sonaural.com> <1161278892.15860.211.camel@mindpipe> <4537B85C.9040005@gmx.net> <1161279966.15860.217.camel@mindpipe> <4537BD28.7030800@gmx.net> <1161281433.15860.225.camel@mindpipe> <4537EE8B.70804@gmx.net> <1161293540.15860.244.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <4537F37B.6030404@gmx.net> Lee Revell wrote: > On Thu, 2006-10-19 at 23:30 +0200, Dragan Noveski wrote: > >> Lee Revell wrote: >> >>> On Thu, 2006-10-19 at 20:00 +0200, Dragan Noveski wrote: >>> >>> >>>> in my case, i used fp7 and have had the same behavior like with the >>>> fp9. sometimes have to stop jack, perhaps it is about the player on >>>> the other side of the connection? >>>> >>>> >>> JACK cannot coexist with other sound apps if you have no hardware >>> mixing, unless you configure it to use the "default" device rather than >>> hw:x. >>> >>> Lee >>> >>> >>> >>> >> absolutely right, i hav to set input device, output device as the >> interface too, to default, than everything works. >> but when i change the interface from hw:x to default, i also hav to give >> larger frames/period variable for jack to start. >> anybody knows why this is so? >> i mean, it is still the same onbord chip. >> > > Because software mixing requires a bigger buffer than direct unmixed > output to hardware. > > Lee > > > yeah, that makes sense! cheers, doc From paniq at paniq.org Thu Oct 19 17:55:40 2006 From: paniq at paniq.org (Leonard "paniq" Ritter) Date: Thu Oct 19 17:55:43 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] flash 9 beta In-Reply-To: <200610191605.26586.lau@kudla.org> References: <20061019154505.GB7333@slinkp.com> <1161275544.15860.201.camel@mindpipe> <1161276459.6234.38.camel@localhost> <200610191605.26586.lau@kudla.org> Message-ID: <1161294940.6234.43.camel@localhost> On Thu, 2006-10-19 at 16:05 -0400, Rob wrote: > Beyond that, though, most of this discussion is about streaming > video and audio sync, neither of which SVG was ever intended to > support. yeah, i got aware of that when i kept contemplating about it. > > I think the Gnash project has a better chance of catching up with > Flash than SVG plus (whatever other technologies would be needed > to recreate the functionality of Flash) does, so I hope free > software SWF authoring tools continue to improve. sounds good. i'll have a look at it. > > Rob -- -- leonard "paniq" ritter -- http://www.mjoo.org -- http://www.paniq.org From paniq at paniq.org Thu Oct 19 17:59:31 2006 From: paniq at paniq.org (Leonard "paniq" Ritter) Date: Thu Oct 19 17:59:34 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] flash 9 beta In-Reply-To: <200610191605.26586.lau@kudla.org> References: <20061019154505.GB7333@slinkp.com> <1161275544.15860.201.camel@mindpipe> <1161276459.6234.38.camel@localhost> <200610191605.26586.lau@kudla.org> Message-ID: <1161295171.6234.45.camel@localhost> On Thu, 2006-10-19 at 16:05 -0400, Rob wrote: > I think the Gnash project has a better chance of catching up with > Flash than SVG plus (whatever other technologies would be needed > to recreate the functionality of Flash) does, so I hope free > software SWF authoring tools continue to improve. if i remember correctly macromedia's flash licence doesn't cover making player derivatives. you can create content creation tools, but not players. i'm not sure tho. i just heard that. > > Rob -- -- leonard "paniq" ritter -- http://www.mjoo.org -- http://www.paniq.org From pw_lists at slinkp.com Thu Oct 19 18:26:18 2006 From: pw_lists at slinkp.com (Paul Winkler) Date: Thu Oct 19 18:41:07 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] flash 9 beta In-Reply-To: References: <20061019154505.GB7333@slinkp.com> <1161275544.15860.201.camel@mindpipe> <4537D9E7.1000702@gmail.com> <1161288830.15860.241.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <20061019222618.GB6204@slinkp.com> On Thu, Oct 19, 2006 at 03:30:37PM -0500, Josh Lawrence wrote: > I have been paying a lot of attention to YouTube lately, and yes, just > like anything else, most of it is crap. But there is a lot of good > stuff, too. For example, I've been watching videos of my favorite > jazz artists lately. I've gotten to watch Bill Evans, Joe Morello, > Charlie Parker, and many others. This is a good thing, for me anyway. That's what got me started. I'd never seen Beefheart performance footage before, and I've found tons of stuff by people I like. I figure that's temporary, though. It'll go the way of Napster. -- Paul Winkler http://www.slinkp.com From lau at kudla.org Thu Oct 19 18:31:40 2006 From: lau at kudla.org (Rob) Date: Thu Oct 19 18:45:50 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] flash 9 beta In-Reply-To: <1161295171.6234.45.camel@localhost> References: <20061019154505.GB7333@slinkp.com> <200610191605.26586.lau@kudla.org> <1161295171.6234.45.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <200610191831.40639.lau@kudla.org> On Thursday 19 October 2006 17:59, Leonard "paniq" Ritter wrote: > if i remember correctly macromedia's flash licence doesn't > cover making player derivatives. you can create content > creation tools, but not players. i'm not sure tho. i just > heard that. No, you're right, the official Flash specification is only available to developers who agree not to make competing players. Luckily for us, though, Gnash is a clean-room implementation as far as I can tell. Gnash isn't the first attempt at a free flash player, just the one that's gotten the furthest along (though I can't verify that right now because it requires OpenGL and my tablet running Ubuntu from Emperorlinux currently can't do GLX and the pen stuff simultaneously.) http://www.gnu.org/software/gnash/ Rob From cesare at poeticstudios.com Thu Oct 19 21:01:19 2006 From: cesare at poeticstudios.com (Cesare Marilungo) Date: Thu Oct 19 19:10:54 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] flash 9 beta In-Reply-To: <200610191831.40639.lau@kudla.org> References: <20061019154505.GB7333@slinkp.com> <200610191605.26586.lau@kudla.org> <1161295171.6234.45.camel@localhost> <200610191831.40639.lau@kudla.org> Message-ID: <45381FDF.9050204@poeticstudios.com> Rob wrote: >On Thursday 19 October 2006 17:59, Leonard "paniq" Ritter wrote: > > >>if i remember correctly macromedia's flash licence doesn't >>cover making player derivatives. you can create content >>creation tools, but not players. i'm not sure tho. i just >>heard that. >> >> > >No, you're right, the official Flash specification is only >available to developers who agree not to make competing players. >Luckily for us, though, Gnash is a clean-room implementation as >far as I can tell. > >Gnash isn't the first attempt at a free flash player, just the >one that's gotten the furthest along (though I can't verify that >right now because it requires OpenGL and my tablet running >Ubuntu from Emperorlinux currently can't do GLX and the pen >stuff simultaneously.) > >http://www.gnu.org/software/gnash/ > >Rob > > > > Regarding flash content creation on linux there's also this: http://ming.sourceforge.net/ I've used it (in python) some months ago to make some flash GUIs for a client. If you're a programmer it's far easier to make stuff with this than using the Flash application itself. c. -- www.cesaremarilungo.com On the Internet, no one knows you're using Windows NT -- Submitted by Ramiro Estrugo, restrugo@fateware.com From seablaede at gmail.com Thu Oct 19 19:55:25 2006 From: seablaede at gmail.com (Thomas Vecchione) Date: Thu Oct 19 19:49:17 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] flash 9 beta In-Reply-To: <20061019222618.GB6204@slinkp.com> References: <20061019154505.GB7333@slinkp.com> <1161275544.15860.201.camel@mindpipe> <4537D9E7.1000702@gmail.com> <1161288830.15860.241.camel@mindpipe> <20061019222618.GB6204@slinkp.com> Message-ID: <4538106D.6030700@gmail.com> > I figure that's temporary, though. It'll go the way of Napster. Actually YouTube recently signed a deal(Right before Google bought them) that made it so they can legally host WB's music videos, and I believe since then a few other studios have jumped on board. In return they get a cut of the advertising from while those videos are being played. As such, it may rapidly become a new method of delivering content legally, and finally may be a step in the right direction on the part of the RIAA/MPAA instead of trying to sue everyone and their dead mother too. Unfortunatly though that may have mixed results for Linux if things don't improve for our support of flash on it. Seablade From lau at kudla.org Thu Oct 19 20:01:57 2006 From: lau at kudla.org (Rob) Date: Thu Oct 19 20:02:58 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] flash 9 beta In-Reply-To: <45381FDF.9050204@poeticstudios.com> References: <20061019154505.GB7333@slinkp.com> <200610191831.40639.lau@kudla.org> <45381FDF.9050204@poeticstudios.com> Message-ID: <200610192001.57823.lau@kudla.org> On Thursday 19 October 2006 21:01, Cesare Marilungo wrote: > Regarding flash content creation on linux there's also this: > http://ming.sourceforge.net/ Yeah, there are a number of flash creation options under Linux (ming, OpenLaszlo, swfc, and a bunch of early-alpha IDE's like Flame Project and UIRA.... not to mention OpenOffice, if you don't need to do anything fancy). But until recently, there's been no viable way to play Flash unless you downloaded Adobe's pretty lame Flash 7 plugin. Now Gnash is almost usable and Flash 9 is in beta, available as a standalone player, and less sucky than Flash 7. I'm pretty sure we have the pressure of Gnash to thank for the availability of that Flash 9 beta. Rob From lau at kudla.org Thu Oct 19 20:17:46 2006 From: lau at kudla.org (Rob) Date: Thu Oct 19 20:19:02 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] flash 9 beta In-Reply-To: <4538106D.6030700@gmail.com> References: <20061019154505.GB7333@slinkp.com> <20061019222618.GB6204@slinkp.com> <4538106D.6030700@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200610192017.46325.lau@kudla.org> On Thursday 19 October 2006 19:55, Thomas Vecchione wrote: > Unfortunatly though that may have mixed results for Linux if > things don't improve for our support of flash on it. The Flash 9 beta is out for linux (came out a couple days ago) and while I don't do Youtube in the browser, it seems pretty good for everything else. I think as long as Adobe feels the GNU guys nipping at their heels with Gnash, they'll keep the Linux plugin updated (at least until Gnash reaches feature-parity and starts becoming the de facto Flash player standard under Linux, in which case they'll probably start trying to break it.) As for Youtube being Napster.... Napster had no way to remove songs that the music industry claimed were infringing. Youtube serves everything off of servers under its control. They do get a lot of complaints, but they jump on infringements pretty fast, and should qualify for the "safe harbor" provisions of the DMCA. They will be sued by someone eventually for some perceived injury, but as long as they keep following through on complaints I think they may win. Rob From _ at whats-your.name Thu Oct 19 20:27:59 2006 From: _ at whats-your.name (carmen) Date: Thu Oct 19 20:28:19 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] flash 9 beta In-Reply-To: <200610192017.46325.lau@kudla.org> References: <20061019154505.GB7333@slinkp.com> <20061019222618.GB6204@slinkp.com> <4538106D.6030700@gmail.com> <200610192017.46325.lau@kudla.org> Message-ID: <20061020002759.GB9093@replic.net> > The Flash 9 beta is out for linux (came out a couple days ago) > and while I don't do Youtube in the browser, it seems pretty > good for everything else. doesnt work on x86, or ppc, or MIPS, or freeBSD etc...yawn luckily nobody is insane enough to make entire sites in Flash (eg FLEX) so greasemonkey hacks will let the rest of at least view 'tv 2.0' > I think as long as Adobe feels the > GNU guys nipping at their heels with Gnash, they'll keep the > Linux plugin updated i don't really understand this one... they win either way, as youre using their format. its even less effort on their part if gnash worked great and people stopped bothering them about a working plugin.. > > As for Youtube being Napster.... Napster had no way to remove > songs that the music industry claimed were infringing. GooTube has a large collection of partnerships with the major commercial media firms. expect to see the content remain, and those companies to be subsidized by the ads.. From brad at sonaural.com Thu Oct 19 20:50:42 2006 From: brad at sonaural.com (Brad Fuller) Date: Thu Oct 19 20:50:52 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] flash 9 beta In-Reply-To: <200610192017.46325.lau@kudla.org> References: <20061019154505.GB7333@slinkp.com> <20061019222618.GB6204@slinkp.com> <4538106D.6030700@gmail.com> <200610192017.46325.lau@kudla.org> Message-ID: <45381D62.6020008@sonaural.com> Rob wrote: > On Thursday 19 October 2006 19:55, Thomas Vecchione wrote: > >> Unfortunatly though that may have mixed results for Linux if >> things don't improve for our support of flash on it. >> > > The Flash 9 beta is out for linux (came out a couple days ago) > and while I don't do Youtube in the browser, it seems pretty > good for everything else. It doesn't seem to work at jumpcut.com. Just shows the first frame for me. YT works ok. brad From gnome at hawaii.rr.com Thu Oct 19 21:12:14 2006 From: gnome at hawaii.rr.com (david) Date: Thu Oct 19 21:12:47 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] flash 9 beta In-Reply-To: <45381D62.6020008@sonaural.com> References: <20061019154505.GB7333@slinkp.com> <20061019222618.GB6204@slinkp.com> <4538106D.6030700@gmail.com> <200610192017.46325.lau@kudla.org> <45381D62.6020008@sonaural.com> Message-ID: <4538226E.9050607@hawaii.rr.com> Brad Fuller wrote: > Rob wrote: >> On Thursday 19 October 2006 19:55, Thomas Vecchione wrote: >> >>> Unfortunatly though that may have mixed results for Linux if >>> things don't improve for our support of flash on it. >>> >> The Flash 9 beta is out for linux (came out a couple days ago) >> and while I don't do Youtube in the browser, it seems pretty >> good for everything else. > It doesn't seem to work at jumpcut.com. Just shows the first frame for me. > YT works ok. Works for me at jumpcut. -- David gnome@hawaii.rr.com authenticity, honesty, community From lau at kudla.org Thu Oct 19 21:17:58 2006 From: lau at kudla.org (Rob) Date: Thu Oct 19 21:19:06 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] flash 9 beta In-Reply-To: <20061020002759.GB9093@replic.net> References: <20061019154505.GB7333@slinkp.com> <200610192017.46325.lau@kudla.org> <20061020002759.GB9093@replic.net> Message-ID: <200610192117.58362.lau@kudla.org> On Thursday 19 October 2006 20:27, carmen wrote: > > The Flash 9 beta is out for linux (came out a couple days > > ago) and while I don't do Youtube in the browser, it seems > > pretty good for everything else. > > doesnt work on x86, or ppc, or MIPS, or freeBSD etc...yawn I'm on x86 myself and it works fine. I'm going to guess that the guy I was responding to was also running Linux on x86. For the other 0.01% of the Linux world.... there's Gnash, or there's sour grapes. Rob From lau at kudla.org Thu Oct 19 21:22:08 2006 From: lau at kudla.org (Rob) Date: Thu Oct 19 21:22:37 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] flash 9 beta In-Reply-To: <45381D62.6020008@sonaural.com> References: <20061019154505.GB7333@slinkp.com> <200610192017.46325.lau@kudla.org> <45381D62.6020008@sonaural.com> Message-ID: <200610192122.08148.lau@kudla.org> On Thursday 19 October 2006 20:50, Brad Fuller wrote: > It doesn't seem to work at jumpcut.com. Just shows the first > frame for me. YT works ok. Weird, jumpcut.com doesn't even recognize I have the Flash 9 plugin, it tells me to download Flash 8. about:plugins shows flash 7, 8 and 9 as being installed (never had flash 8 installed since it didn't exist for Linux.) I suppose whatever method the Emperor Linux guys used to install the Flash plugin (they didn't use the flashplayer-nonfree package) must have left some stuff around that's confusing the browser. Rob From brad at sonaural.com Thu Oct 19 21:25:49 2006 From: brad at sonaural.com (Brad Fuller) Date: Thu Oct 19 21:26:00 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] flash 9 beta In-Reply-To: <4538226E.9050607@hawaii.rr.com> References: <20061019154505.GB7333@slinkp.com> <20061019222618.GB6204@slinkp.com> <4538106D.6030700@gmail.com> <200610192017.46325.lau@kudla.org> <45381D62.6020008@sonaural.com> <4538226E.9050607@hawaii.rr.com> Message-ID: <4538259D.8030207@sonaural.com> david wrote: > Brad Fuller wrote: >> Rob wrote: >>> On Thursday 19 October 2006 19:55, Thomas Vecchione wrote: >>> >>>> Unfortunatly though that may have mixed results for Linux if >>>> things don't improve for our support of flash on it. >>>> >>> The Flash 9 beta is out for linux (came out a couple days ago) and >>> while I don't do Youtube in the browser, it seems pretty good for >>> everything else. >> It doesn't seem to work at jumpcut.com. Just shows the first frame >> for me. >> YT works ok. > > Works for me at jumpcut. interesting. I tried firefox and opera. Before, jumpcut wouldn't work with just fp7. Now, for me, it displays only the first frame. However, I can move the time slider back and forth and see frames. It just won't play. brad From gnome at hawaii.rr.com Thu Oct 19 21:30:08 2006 From: gnome at hawaii.rr.com (david) Date: Thu Oct 19 21:30:23 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] flash 9 beta In-Reply-To: <20061020002759.GB9093@replic.net> References: <20061019154505.GB7333@slinkp.com> <20061019222618.GB6204@slinkp.com> <4538106D.6030700@gmail.com> <200610192017.46325.lau@kudla.org> <20061020002759.GB9093@replic.net> Message-ID: <453826A0.30100@hawaii.rr.com> carmen wrote: >> The Flash 9 beta is out for linux (came out a couple days ago) and >> while I don't do Youtube in the browser, it seems pretty good for >> everything else. > > doesnt work on x86, Hmmm? Works here on dull boring Intel Celeron laptop. > or ppc, or MIPS, or freeBSD etc...yawn > > luckily nobody is insane enough to make entire sites in Flash (eg > FLEX) so greasemonkey hacks will let the rest of at least view 'tv > 2.0' Practically every movie site today demands Flash. I like the phrase "TV 2.0"! And a lot of web design firms seem to think that they have to do it all in Flash now ... Another great local geek computer store takes the first step that will put it out of business: http://www.personaltouchcomputers.com/newsite/Welcome.htm -- David gnome@hawaii.rr.com authenticity, honesty, community From rlrevell at joe-job.com Thu Oct 19 21:30:36 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Thu Oct 19 21:31:25 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] flash 9 beta In-Reply-To: <4538259D.8030207@sonaural.com> References: <20061019154505.GB7333@slinkp.com> <20061019222618.GB6204@slinkp.com> <4538106D.6030700@gmail.com> <200610192017.46325.lau@kudla.org> <45381D62.6020008@sonaural.com> <4538226E.9050607@hawaii.rr.com> <4538259D.8030207@sonaural.com> Message-ID: <1161307836.15860.267.camel@mindpipe> On Thu, 2006-10-19 at 18:25 -0700, Brad Fuller wrote: > david wrote: > > Brad Fuller wrote: > >> Rob wrote: > >>> On Thursday 19 October 2006 19:55, Thomas Vecchione wrote: > >>> > >>>> Unfortunatly though that may have mixed results for Linux if > >>>> things don't improve for our support of flash on it. > >>>> > >>> The Flash 9 beta is out for linux (came out a couple days ago) and > >>> while I don't do Youtube in the browser, it seems pretty good for > >>> everything else. > >> It doesn't seem to work at jumpcut.com. Just shows the first frame > >> for me. > >> YT works ok. > > > > Works for me at jumpcut. > interesting. I tried firefox and opera. > Before, jumpcut wouldn't work with just fp7. Now, for me, it displays > only the first frame. However, I can move the time slider back and forth > and see frames. It just won't play. Sounds like the exact same bug from this thread: http://www.adobe.com/cfusion/webforums/forum/messageview.cfm?forumid=72&catid=616&threadid=1206328&enterthread=y Lee From gnome at hawaii.rr.com Thu Oct 19 21:39:43 2006 From: gnome at hawaii.rr.com (david) Date: Thu Oct 19 21:39:57 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] flash 9 beta In-Reply-To: <200610192001.57823.lau@kudla.org> References: <20061019154505.GB7333@slinkp.com> <200610191831.40639.lau@kudla.org> <45381FDF.9050204@poeticstudios.com> <200610192001.57823.lau@kudla.org> Message-ID: <453828DF.1010302@hawaii.rr.com> Rob wrote: > On Thursday 19 October 2006 21:01, Cesare Marilungo wrote: >> Regarding flash content creation on linux there's also this: >> http://ming.sourceforge.net/ > > Yeah, there are a number of flash creation options under Linux > (ming, OpenLaszlo, swfc, and a bunch of early-alpha IDE's like > Flame Project and UIRA.... not to mention OpenOffice, if you > don't need to do anything fancy). Hmmm, now those are interesting! > But until recently, there's > been no viable way to play Flash unless you downloaded Adobe's > pretty lame Flash 7 plugin. Now Gnash is almost usable A friend of mine describes the current version of Gnash as a "crash the gui, crash the X server" application and says "Give it another year." > and > Flash 9 is in beta, available as a standalone player, and less > sucky than Flash 7. > > I'm pretty sure we have the pressure of Gnash to thank for the > availability of that Flash 9 beta. And the increased press that Linux is getting, combined with the fact that Flash gives creators of Flash files the ability to get back detailed usage stats. So the more times they see the Linux version of the Flash player in use, the more likely THEY (paying Adobe customers) to encourage Adobe to support Linux users. Another factor may be that they may be able to piggyback on development for the Mac OS X to help build the Linux version. And the graphic-arts-heavy Mac community has thoroughly fallen in love with Flash ... -- David gnome@hawaii.rr.com authenticity, honesty, community From pw_lists at slinkp.com Thu Oct 19 22:03:25 2006 From: pw_lists at slinkp.com (Paul Winkler) Date: Thu Oct 19 22:03:42 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] flash 9 beta In-Reply-To: <453826A0.30100@hawaii.rr.com> References: <20061019154505.GB7333@slinkp.com> <20061019222618.GB6204@slinkp.com> <4538106D.6030700@gmail.com> <200610192017.46325.lau@kudla.org> <20061020002759.GB9093@replic.net> <453826A0.30100@hawaii.rr.com> Message-ID: <20061020020325.GA22338@slinkp.com> On Thu, Oct 19, 2006 at 03:30:08PM -1000, david wrote: > carmen wrote: > >>The Flash 9 beta is out for linux (came out a couple days ago) and > >>while I don't do Youtube in the browser, it seems pretty good for > >>everything else. > > > >doesnt work on x86, > > Hmmm? Works here on dull boring Intel Celeron laptop. works here on amd64 too. -- Paul Winkler http://www.slinkp.com From _ at whats-your.name Thu Oct 19 23:22:49 2006 From: _ at whats-your.name (carmen) Date: Thu Oct 19 23:23:00 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] flash 9 beta In-Reply-To: <20061020020325.GA22338@slinkp.com> References: <20061019154505.GB7333@slinkp.com> <20061019222618.GB6204@slinkp.com> <4538106D.6030700@gmail.com> <200610192017.46325.lau@kudla.org> <20061020002759.GB9093@replic.net> <453826A0.30100@hawaii.rr.com> <20061020020325.GA22338@slinkp.com> Message-ID: <20061020032249.GA11802@replic.net> > > >doesnt work on x86, how long after 32 bit x86 chips came out, did they stop differentiating between 16 and 32 bit versions when discussing them? now that x86_64 has been out about 4 years, i think maybe we can start doing that again with 32 and 64.. so i stand by my claim it only works on computers that you can no longer buy (check the latest offerings from AMD and Intel, theyre all 64 bit) > > works here on amd64 too. you must be confused, and/or running an amd32 browser without knowing it.. From seablaede at gmail.com Thu Oct 19 23:39:18 2006 From: seablaede at gmail.com (Thomas Vecchione) Date: Thu Oct 19 23:33:10 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] flash 9 beta In-Reply-To: <20061020032249.GA11802@replic.net> References: <20061019154505.GB7333@slinkp.com> <20061019222618.GB6204@slinkp.com> <4538106D.6030700@gmail.com> <200610192017.46325.lau@kudla.org> <20061020002759.GB9093@replic.net> <453826A0.30100@hawaii.rr.com> <20061020020325.GA22338@slinkp.com> <20061020032249.GA11802@replic.net> Message-ID: <453844E6.4020304@gmail.com> > how long after 32 bit x86 chips came out, did they stop differentiating between 16 and 32 bit versions when discussing them? now that x86_64 has been out about 4 years, i think maybe we can start doing that again with 32 and 64.. so i stand by my claim it only works on computers that you can no longer buy (check the latest offerings from AMD and Intel, theyre all 64 bit) Except while the latest from Intel may be 64 bit, the vast majority of the world is still running 32 bit on Intel, and I believe you can still get 32 bit from Intel, as not all of apple's line for example have been converted to 64 Bit yet(Mac Mini for example) So differentiating x86_64 and x86(Generally refers to 32 Bit) is probably a good idea still. Seablade From brendon.oliver at gmail.com Thu Oct 19 23:36:55 2006 From: brendon.oliver at gmail.com (Brendon Oliver) Date: Thu Oct 19 23:37:09 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] flash 9 beta In-Reply-To: <453844E6.4020304@gmail.com> References: <20061019154505.GB7333@slinkp.com> <20061020032249.GA11802@replic.net> <453844E6.4020304@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200610201336.55464.brendon.oliver@gmail.com> On Friday 20 October 2006 13:39, Thomas Vecchione wrote: > Except while the latest from Intel may be 64 bit, the vast majority of > the world is still running 32 bit on Intel, and I believe you can still > get 32 bit from Intel, as not all of apple's line for example have been > converted to 64 Bit yet(Mac Mini for example) At the risk of wandering a bit further off-topic: do you know if the new intel-based MacBooks are 32 or 64 bit? thanks, - brendon. -- When you die, you lose a very important part of your life. -- Brooke Shields 13:35:39 up 3 days, 2:37, 5 users, load average: 0.12, 0.15, 0.33 From dsbaikov at gmail.com Thu Oct 19 23:50:14 2006 From: dsbaikov at gmail.com (Dmitry Baikov) Date: Thu Oct 19 23:50:24 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] flash 9 beta In-Reply-To: <200610201336.55464.brendon.oliver@gmail.com> References: <20061019154505.GB7333@slinkp.com> <20061020032249.GA11802@replic.net> <453844E6.4020304@gmail.com> <200610201336.55464.brendon.oliver@gmail.com> Message-ID: <70a871c80610192050k7dea0466yd55ae2c5201bf753@mail.gmail.com> On 10/20/06, Brendon Oliver wrote: > At the risk of wandering a bit further off-topic: do you know if the new > intel-based MacBooks are 32 or 64 bit? Still 32-bit. Rumors say Core2 Duo update will be before Christmas. From lau at kudla.org Fri Oct 20 00:21:45 2006 From: lau at kudla.org (Rob) Date: Fri Oct 20 00:22:08 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] flash 9 beta In-Reply-To: <20061020032249.GA11802@replic.net> References: <20061019154505.GB7333@slinkp.com> <20061020020325.GA22338@slinkp.com> <20061020032249.GA11802@replic.net> Message-ID: <200610200021.45758.lau@kudla.org> On Thursday 19 October 2006 23:22, carmen wrote: > > > >doesnt work on x86, > > how long after 32 bit x86 chips came out, did they stop > differentiating between 16 and 32 bit versions when discussing > them? now that x86_64 has been out about 4 years, i think > maybe we can start doing that again with 32 and 64.. so i > stand by my claim it only works on computers that you can no > longer buy (check the latest offerings from AMD and Intel, > theyre all 64 bit) I personally call them "amd64", and three of the last four PC's that I've bought, all this year, are 32-bit. Just say "proprietary software sucks, I hate it" rather than trying to pull this kind of wordplay. Rob From set at pobox.com Fri Oct 20 01:27:04 2006 From: set at pobox.com (Paul) Date: Fri Oct 20 01:27:16 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: flash 9 beta In-Reply-To: <1161275544.15860.201.camel@mindpipe> References: <20061019154505.GB7333@slinkp.com> <1161275544.15860.201.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <20061020052704.GI7256@squish.home.loc> Lee Revell , on Thu Oct 19, 2006 [12:32:24 PM] said: > On Thu, 2006-10-19 at 11:45 -0400, Paul Winkler wrote: > > finally! > > http://labs.adobe.com/technologies/flashplayer9/ > > seems to work here with firefox 1.5.0.7. > > > > *much* better sound synchronization - i can finally watch stuff on > > youtube without screaming in frustration. > > > > ARRRGGGGGGHHHHHHHH!!!!!!! On my 600Mhz machine (which plays big divx > DVD and HDTV rips perfectly in full screen mode) I get at MOST 1 FPS. > Most YouTube videos never play - the red bar fills up, I see the first > frame, and can fast forward and rewind, but the video behaves as if it's > always paused. > > > Guess I'll have to go back to Windows if I want to use this new & > improved proprietary multimedia Internet... sigh... it was fun while it > lasted. > > Lee Hi; I can appreciate your frustration... flash is evil. Flash9 player definiately doesnt perform as well as mplayer (when mplayerplug-in works for flash video) but on my 400mhz machine, it works, just with a poor framerate. (this machine can play full screen dvd video with no frame drop with mplayer/xine... it barely eeks by a livable framerate in a tiny window with the flash player...) I havent found anything flash9 cant play (badly, albiet with good audio sync) on my gentoo system. Paul set@pobox.com ot: Google Video has a lot of interesting content, and you can just disable flash and download most of it in avi containters of mp4. There are probably greasemonkey scripts to stream it to mplayerplug-in like there are for youtube. http://stage6.divx.com/ Has the best interface Ive seen yet, but they just got started building content. Presents one button to stream to mplayerplug-in and one button to download. In my experience, most of the crap that makes things like youtube so popular is, well crap. google.video.com has lots of radical (political, cultural) stuff, and feature length stuff, like movies and their 'google tech talks' and the avi's are so much better on this platform than flash. Most people that dont have 3rd world hardware like us will probably be fine with the 'proprietary multimedia Internet' and their 30 second mentos+coke jizzfests with the flash9 player. And the people looking for longer quality content are probably paying for it, or getting it off the darknet... From mathias.friman at knorca.se Fri Oct 20 02:29:02 2006 From: mathias.friman at knorca.se (Mathias Friman) Date: Fri Oct 20 02:29:33 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] .asoundrc for dummies Message-ID: <8b97b7d1bbe3acc19e45f7ac39633e80@knorca.se> Lee Revell wrote: > Normal users should never have to understand .asoundrc syntax or use > an .asoundrc at all. The best advice you can give is to forget there is > any such thing as an .asoundrc, and consider it an ALSA bug if their > soundcard does not do the right thing without one. I for one couldn't get ALSA to work with an USB-mic for recording and my regular onboard sound card for playback without one. I still do not fully understand what that little file does exactly, but overrides the default setting, setting an asym-type and defines playback and capture PCMs. I still do not know why slave.pcm is defined the way it is defined and not within {} brackets as it says in the alsa wiki. I would NEVER have been able to figure out the syntax all by myself. :) I know that back in the days, when men were men and wrote their own device drivers, this was not a very big problem. But now are the days of the point- and-click-user that does not aspire to grow a unix-beard just to get their sound system to work, and I would like to help them understand just a tiny bit of the general picture, not going too deep into the realms of ALSA developers. ;) The first line in what I've written so far about the .asoundrc is (translated): "You generally do not need a /etc/asound.conf or .asoundrc file to get things working correctly." So, that advice is already given, as I took it from the alsa-wiki. There are plenty of resources doing fairly advanced things with .asoundrc on several sites around the web, but nothing that bridges the leap between utter ignorance and .. well, whatever you guys call yourselves. ;) But anyway, thanks for the answer, I'll just have to dig in and grow a beard. :) Regards, Mathias From gnome at hawaii.rr.com Fri Oct 20 02:41:54 2006 From: gnome at hawaii.rr.com (david) Date: Fri Oct 20 02:42:08 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] .asoundrc for dummies In-Reply-To: <8b97b7d1bbe3acc19e45f7ac39633e80@knorca.se> References: <8b97b7d1bbe3acc19e45f7ac39633e80@knorca.se> Message-ID: <45386FB2.10907@hawaii.rr.com> Mathias Friman wrote: > The first line in what I've written so far about the .asoundrc is (translated): > "You generally do not need a /etc/asound.conf or .asoundrc file to get things > working correctly." So, that advice is already given, as I took it from the alsa-wiki. > > There are plenty of resources doing fairly advanced things with .asoundrc on > several sites around the web, but nothing that bridges the leap between utter > ignorance and .. well, whatever you guys call yourselves. ;) > > But anyway, thanks for the answer, I'll just have to dig in and grow a beard. :) Perhaps contacts with the ALSA developers would be helpful? -- David gnome@hawaii.rr.com authenticity, honesty, community From ireneshusband at gmail.com Fri Oct 20 04:04:11 2006 From: ireneshusband at gmail.com (Robert Persson) Date: Fri Oct 20 04:03:33 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] flash 9 beta In-Reply-To: <1161275544.15860.201.camel@mindpipe> References: <20061019154505.GB7333@slinkp.com> <1161275544.15860.201.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <453882FB.8060902@gmail.com> Lee Revell wrote: > ARRRGGGGGGHHHHHHHH!!!!!!! On my 600Mhz machine (which plays big divx > DVD and HDTV rips perfectly in full screen mode) I get at MOST 1 FPS. > Most YouTube videos never play - the red bar fills up, I see the first > frame, and can fast forward and rewind, but the video behaves as if it's > always paused. > > > Guess I'll have to go back to Windows if I want to use this new & > improved proprietary multimedia Internet... sigh... it was fun while it > lasted. > I tried YouTube once and I was massively unimpressed, both by the technical problems and by the total lack of anything worth watching. I have been much more impressed with Democracy Player -- http://www.getdemocracy.com. It's GPL for a start and works fine with Linux. You download movies by podcast or bittorrent rather than watching live feeds, so if you are prepared to wait a few minutes for something worth watching rather than getting instant crap then it will probably suit you better than The Services Everyone Else Uses. Highlights for me so far have been some shorts about censorship (e.g. "Eyes on the Fair Use Prize"), the music video of Scott Walker's "Jesse", and some extended footage of a baby panda called Tai Shan beating up his mother. You'd need to rummage for them, but they are there somewhere. All in full screen of course. And you can save movies permanently if you like. And you can use it for your audio podcasts as well. Robert From jamesmichaelmcdermott at gmail.com Fri Oct 20 04:12:37 2006 From: jamesmichaelmcdermott at gmail.com (James McDermott) Date: Fri Oct 20 04:12:46 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] flash 9 beta In-Reply-To: <200610191613.17597.lau@kudla.org> References: <20061019154505.GB7333@slinkp.com> <1161275544.15860.201.camel@mindpipe> <4537D9E7.1000702@gmail.com> <200610191613.17597.lau@kudla.org> Message-ID: On 10/19/06, Rob wrote: > There's a Greasemonkey script for Firefox that converts the > embedded video into a download link, which lets you save > the .flv file to your hard disk for playback or conversion using > mplayer. If you don't have Greasemonkey this might be easier: http://www.arrakis.es/~rggi3/youtube-dl/ From nedko at arnaudov.name Fri Oct 20 04:55:55 2006 From: nedko at arnaudov.name (Nedko Arnaudov) Date: Fri Oct 20 04:56:28 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] jack_mixer - frist release Message-ID: <87y7rbqsbo.fsf@arnaudov.name> jack_mixer is GTK (2.x) JACK audio mixer with look similar to it`s hardware counterparts. It has lot of useful features, apart from being able to mix multiple JACK audio streams. Homepage with screenshots: http://home.gna.org/jackmixer/ Download: http://download.gna.org/jackmixer/ -- Nedko Arnaudov -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 188 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://music.columbia.edu/pipermail/linux-audio-user/attachments/20061020/27b103a5/attachment.bin From dubphil at free.fr Fri Oct 20 05:45:34 2006 From: dubphil at free.fr (Dubphil) Date: Fri Oct 20 05:45:54 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Smack and Seq24 Message-ID: <3429.80.124.137.204.1161337534.squirrel@webmail.migratis.net> Hello, I currently use hydrogen for my drums, but for now, it is not 100% stable with ecasound and Jack transport when it stops playing. And actually, it stop Seq24 when I want to load another h2song; this is detrimental for me. I'm lurking on Smack, but it needs OM to work as I have read, does it work with Seq24 only ? if not, does something similar to Smack exists that would not have any sequencer inside and should be sequenced with seq24 ? Something very light and stable should be ok. Thanks in advance for your advices. Philippe From t_w_ at freenet.de Fri Oct 20 06:32:06 2006 From: t_w_ at freenet.de (Thorsten Wilms) Date: Fri Oct 20 06:32:47 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Smack and Seq24 In-Reply-To: <3429.80.124.137.204.1161337534.squirrel@webmail.migratis.net> References: <3429.80.124.137.204.1161337534.squirrel@webmail.migratis.net> Message-ID: <20061020103206.GA5420@charly.SWORD> On Fri, Oct 20, 2006 at 11:45:34AM +0200, Dubphil wrote: > Hello, > > I currently use hydrogen for my drums, but for now, it is not 100% stable > with ecasound and Jack transport when it stops playing. And actually, it > stop Seq24 when I want to load another h2song; this is detrimental for me. Did you file a feature request for loading without stopping transport? It might be difficult ... but if nobody even asks ... > I'm lurking on Smack, but it needs OM to work as I have read, does it work > with Seq24 only ? if not, does something similar to Smack exists that > would not have any sequencer inside and should be sequenced with seq24 ? > Something very light and stable should be ok. Smack is a collection of patches for Om, so it can't work without it. I'm not aware of anything similar to either Hydrogen or Smack. -- Thorsten Wilms From zettberlin at linuxuse.de Fri Oct 20 06:50:10 2006 From: zettberlin at linuxuse.de (Hartmut Noack) Date: Fri Oct 20 06:50:25 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Smack and Seq24 In-Reply-To: <3429.80.124.137.204.1161337534.squirrel@webmail.migratis.net> References: <3429.80.124.137.204.1161337534.squirrel@webmail.migratis.net> Message-ID: <4538A9E2.3040000@linuxuse.de> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Dubphil schrieb: > does something similar to Smack exists that > would not have any sequencer inside and should be sequenced with seq24 ? > Something very light and stable should be ok. Specimen is very stable, light and flexible: http://zhevny.com/specimen/ I play with it sometimes - using seq24 you get a cool groove with any sounds you like to load into specimen within a few minutes. Very intuitive way to roll your own fast and with fun. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.3 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFFOKni1Aecwva1SWMRAonlAJ9NfjjnaKJh9a2pQ+NibVY2SRyDkQCaAwL1 b1LmMFj35RKNa8TtPkTH+io= =k3+U -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From perodog at gmx.net Fri Oct 20 08:15:13 2006 From: perodog at gmx.net (Dragan Noveski) Date: Fri Oct 20 08:15:13 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Smack and Seq24 In-Reply-To: <20061020103206.GA5420@charly.SWORD> References: <3429.80.124.137.204.1161337534.squirrel@webmail.migratis.net> <20061020103206.GA5420@charly.SWORD> Message-ID: <4538BDD1.7010600@gmx.net> Thorsten Wilms wrote: > On Fri, Oct 20, 2006 at 11:45:34AM +0200, Dubphil wrote: > >> Hello, >> >> I currently use hydrogen for my drums, but for now, it is not 100% stable >> with ecasound and Jack transport when it stops playing. And actually, it >> stop Seq24 when I want to load another h2song; this is detrimental for me. >> > > Did you file a feature request for loading without stopping transport? > It might be difficult ... but if nobody even asks ... > > > >> I'm lurking on Smack, but it needs OM to work as I have read, does it work >> with Seq24 only ? if not, does something similar to Smack exists that >> would not have any sequencer inside and should be sequenced with seq24 ? >> Something very light and stable should be ok. >> > > Smack is a collection of patches for Om, so it can't work without it. > I'm not aware of anything similar to either Hydrogen or Smack. > > > you can run smack with gneutronica: http://sourceforge.net/projects/gneutronica without starting om, but dont know if you can compile smack without compiling om? cheers, doc From dubphil at free.fr Fri Oct 20 08:23:42 2006 From: dubphil at free.fr (Dubphil) Date: Fri Oct 20 08:24:02 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Smack and Seq24 In-Reply-To: <20061020103206.GA5420@charly.SWORD> References: <3429.80.124.137.204.1161337534.squirrel@webmail.migratis.net> <20061020103206.GA5420@charly.SWORD> Message-ID: <4500.80.124.137.204.1161347022.squirrel@webmail.migratis.net> > Did you file a feature request for loading without stopping transport? > It might be difficult ... but if nobody even asks ... no you're right I will do it ;) regards Philippe From t_w_ at freenet.de Fri Oct 20 08:32:32 2006 From: t_w_ at freenet.de (Thorsten Wilms) Date: Fri Oct 20 08:32:51 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Smack and Seq24 In-Reply-To: <4538BDD1.7010600@gmx.net> References: <3429.80.124.137.204.1161337534.squirrel@webmail.migratis.net> <20061020103206.GA5420@charly.SWORD> <4538BDD1.7010600@gmx.net> Message-ID: <20061020123232.GB5420@charly.SWORD> On Fri, Oct 20, 2006 at 02:15:13PM +0200, Dragan Noveski wrote: > > > >Smack is a collection of patches for Om, so it can't work without it. > >I'm not aware of anything similar to either Hydrogen or Smack. > > > > > > > you can run smack with gneutronica: > http://sourceforge.net/projects/gneutronica > without starting om, but dont know if you can compile smack without > compiling om? Which part of "Smack is a collection of patches for Om, so it can't work without it." is unclear? :) No running Om, no Smack. It doesn't matter which sequencer you use to feed it with MIDI. -- Thorsten Wilms From perodog at gmx.net Fri Oct 20 08:41:31 2006 From: perodog at gmx.net (Dragan Noveski) Date: Fri Oct 20 08:41:36 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] flash 9 beta In-Reply-To: References: <20061019154505.GB7333@slinkp.com> <1161275544.15860.201.camel@mindpipe> <4537D9E7.1000702@gmail.com> <200610191613.17597.lau@kudla.org> Message-ID: <4538C3FB.60503@gmx.net> James McDermott wrote: > On 10/19/06, Rob wrote: > >> There's a Greasemonkey script for Firefox that converts the >> embedded video into a download link, which lets you save >> the .flv file to your hard disk for playback or conversion using >> mplayer. > > If you don't have Greasemonkey this might be easier: > > http://www.arrakis.es/~rggi3/youtube-dl/ > > can you please tell what of python stuff you have installed? i have 2.4.3 python and the same version of python-minimal, but the executable wants not to start, complaining that python is missing. cheers, doc From dubphil at free.fr Fri Oct 20 08:46:36 2006 From: dubphil at free.fr (Dubphil) Date: Fri Oct 20 08:46:49 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Smack and Seq24 In-Reply-To: <4538A9E2.3040000@linuxuse.de> References: <3429.80.124.137.204.1161337534.squirrel@webmail.migratis.net> <4538A9E2.3040000@linuxuse.de> Message-ID: <4722.80.124.137.204.1161348396.squirrel@webmail.migratis.net> > > Specimen is very stable, light and flexible: > Arrgh! Specimen would be exactly what I need if there was a mono or a stereo audio output for each patch. But for now it is not the case... Regards Philippe From smcameron at yahoo.com Fri Oct 20 09:16:12 2006 From: smcameron at yahoo.com (Stephen Cameron) Date: Fri Oct 20 09:16:18 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Smack and Seq24 In-Reply-To: <20061020103206.GA5420@charly.SWORD> Message-ID: <20061020131612.91841.qmail@web33002.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- Thorsten Wilms wrote: [...] > I'm not aware of anything similar to either Hydrogen or Smack. Gneutronica is somewhat similar to hydrogen, but it's strictly a MIDI sequencer, it has no sounds of its own. Also, it's not integrated with Jack. Someday maybe I'll get around to doing that. http://gneutronica.sourceforge.net/ -- steve __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From j.silvestre at wanadoo.fr Fri Oct 20 09:37:00 2006 From: j.silvestre at wanadoo.fr (joel silvestre) Date: Fri Oct 20 09:37:30 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Qjackctl setup Message-ID: <1161351420.16407.34.camel@zordi> Hi, I can't see no more detailled information about Interface Input Device and Output Device in the Setting window. The "> " button to select PCM , input and output devices show only (default). aplay -l and arecord -l gives : [moa@portable ~]$ aplay -l **** List of PLAYBACK Hardware Devices **** card 0: Intel [HDA Intel], device 0: ALC880 Analog [ALC880 Analog] Subdevices: 1/1 Subdevice #0: subdevice #0 card 0: Intel [HDA Intel], device 2: ALC880 Digital [ALC880 Digital] Subdevices: 1/1 Subdevice #0: subdevice #0 card 1: default [USB Audio CODEC ], device 0: USB Audio [USB Audio] Subdevices: 1/1 Subdevice #0: subdevice #0 [moa@portable ~]$ arecord -l **** List of CAPTURE Hardware Devices **** card 0: Intel [HDA Intel], device 0: ALC880 Analog [ALC880 Analog] Subdevices: 2/2 Subdevice #0: subdevice #0 Subdevice #1: subdevice #1 card 0: Intel [HDA Intel], device 1: ALC880 Analog [ALC880 Analog] Subdevices: 2/2 Subdevice #0: subdevice #0 Subdevice #1: subdevice #1 card 1: default [USB Audio CODEC ], device 0: USB Audio [USB Audio] Subdevices: 1/1 Subdevice #0: subdevice #0 This happen with Qjackctl 0.2.20.10 and Mandriva 2007. I try on two different laptop and it's the same. What can I do? From rlrevell at joe-job.com Fri Oct 20 09:41:02 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Fri Oct 20 09:40:56 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] .asoundrc for dummies In-Reply-To: <8b97b7d1bbe3acc19e45f7ac39633e80@knorca.se> References: <8b97b7d1bbe3acc19e45f7ac39633e80@knorca.se> Message-ID: <1161351662.15860.310.camel@mindpipe> On Fri, 2006-10-20 at 08:29 +0200, Mathias Friman wrote: > Lee Revell wrote: > > Normal users should never have to understand .asoundrc syntax or use > > an .asoundrc at all. The best advice you can give is to forget there is > > any such thing as an .asoundrc, and consider it an ALSA bug if their > > soundcard does not do the right thing without one. > > I for one couldn't get ALSA to work with an USB-mic for recording and > my regular onboard sound card for playback without one. This should be reported as a bug in ALSA. Lee From pw_lists at slinkp.com Fri Oct 20 10:03:53 2006 From: pw_lists at slinkp.com (Paul Winkler) Date: Fri Oct 20 10:04:09 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] flash 9 beta In-Reply-To: <4538C3FB.60503@gmx.net> References: <20061019154505.GB7333@slinkp.com> <1161275544.15860.201.camel@mindpipe> <4537D9E7.1000702@gmail.com> <200610191613.17597.lau@kudla.org> <4538C3FB.60503@gmx.net> Message-ID: <20061020140353.GA7359@slinkp.com> On Fri, Oct 20, 2006 at 02:41:31PM +0200, Dragan Noveski wrote: > James McDermott wrote: > >On 10/19/06, Rob wrote: > > > >>There's a Greasemonkey script for Firefox that converts the > >>embedded video into a download link, which lets you save > >>the .flv file to your hard disk for playback or conversion using > >>mplayer. > > > >If you don't have Greasemonkey this might be easier: > > > >http://www.arrakis.es/~rggi3/youtube-dl/ > > > > > can you please tell what of python stuff you have installed? > i have 2.4.3 python and the same version of python-minimal, but the > executable wants not to start, complaining that python is missing. AFAICT it requires nothing but python 2.4 and the standard libraries. The "hashbang" at the beginning of the script reads: #!/usr/bin/env python This is a common trick to avoid needing to know where the python interpreter lives. Two things could go wrong with that: 1) You might not have "env" installed, or it might be somewhere other than /usr/bin. (It's provided by gnu coreutils so i'd be amazed if your distro doesn't have it.) Try this: env --version which env 2) If you have multiple python versions installed, it's likely that 'python' is a symlink to the wrong one. youtube-dl is hardcoded to exit if the version is less than 2.4, with the message 'Error: Python 2.4 or later needed to run the program' Try this: ls -l `which python` and/or /usr/bin/env python -V ... and see what that tells you. If you need to keep around an earlier version of python as the default python, a workaround is to invoke 2.4 directly, typically something like: python2.4 /path/to/youtube-dl ... If that works, wrap it up as a shell alias for convenience, e.g. in .bashrc: alias youtube-dl="/usr/bin/python2.4 /path/to/youtube-dl" -- Paul Winkler http://www.slinkp.com From pw_lists at slinkp.com Fri Oct 20 10:05:37 2006 From: pw_lists at slinkp.com (Paul Winkler) Date: Fri Oct 20 10:06:30 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] flash 9 beta In-Reply-To: <20061020032249.GA11802@replic.net> References: <20061019154505.GB7333@slinkp.com> <20061019222618.GB6204@slinkp.com> <4538106D.6030700@gmail.com> <200610192017.46325.lau@kudla.org> <20061020002759.GB9093@replic.net> <453826A0.30100@hawaii.rr.com> <20061020020325.GA22338@slinkp.com> <20061020032249.GA11802@replic.net> Message-ID: <20061020140537.GB7359@slinkp.com> On Fri, Oct 20, 2006 at 03:22:49AM +0000, carmen wrote: > you must be confused, and/or running an amd32 browser without knowing it.. It's a 32-bit binary install. -- Paul Winkler http://www.slinkp.com From robertlazarski at gmail.com Fri Oct 20 10:14:35 2006 From: robertlazarski at gmail.com (robert lazarski) Date: Fri Oct 20 10:14:47 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Can't mount usb MP4 player Message-ID: Hi all, I'm trying to mount this MP4 player: http://szxc.en.alibaba.com/product/50111824/50983432/MP3_MP4_Players/MP4_player.html Doing 'cat /proc/bus/usb/devices' shows no such device, and I get nothing in /var/log/messages . The dsiplay does not light up. My /etc/fstab entry, which works fine with my pen drive, is: usbfs /proc/bus/usb usbfs noauto 0 0 I'm running the stock suse 9.3 kernel, 2.6.11 . Any ideas ? Robert From jh at brainiac.com Fri Oct 20 10:19:13 2006 From: jh at brainiac.com (Joe Hartley) Date: Fri Oct 20 10:19:34 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Can't mount usb MP4 player In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20061020101913.5582106a.jh@brainiac.com> On Fri, 20 Oct 2006 12:14:35 -0200 "robert lazarski" wrote: > Doing 'cat /proc/bus/usb/devices' shows no such device, and I get > nothing in /var/log/messages . Try looking at the tail end of the output from dmesg, that's where info on a usb device will be written when it's plugged in. -- ====================================================================== Joe Hartley - UNIX/network Consultant - jh@brainiac.com Without deviation from the norm, "progress" is not possible. - FZappa From robertlazarski at gmail.com Fri Oct 20 10:23:08 2006 From: robertlazarski at gmail.com (robert lazarski) Date: Fri Oct 20 10:23:15 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Can't mount usb MP4 player In-Reply-To: <20061020101913.5582106a.jh@brainiac.com> References: <20061020101913.5582106a.jh@brainiac.com> Message-ID: On 10/20/06, Joe Hartley wrote: > On Fri, 20 Oct 2006 12:14:35 -0200 > "robert lazarski" wrote: > > Doing 'cat /proc/bus/usb/devices' shows no such device, and I get > > nothing in /var/log/messages . > > Try looking at the tail end of the output from dmesg, that's where info > on a usb device will be written when it's plugged in. > > -- I seen that, but was not sure why its trying to mount on /dev/hda or if that's really usb trying to mount there: drivers/usb/serial/usb-serial.c: USB Serial support registered for Generic usbcore: registered new driver usbserial_generic usbcore: registered new driver usbserial drivers/usb/serial/usb-serial.c: USB Serial Driver core v2.0 subfs 0.9 ISO 9660 Extensions: RRIP_1991A end_request: I/O error, dev fd0, sector 0 end_request: I/O error, dev fd0, sector 0 end_request: I/O error, dev fd0, sector 0 end_request: I/O error, dev fd0, sector 0 subfs: unsuccessful attempt to mount media (256) end_request: I/O error, dev fd0, sector 0 end_request: I/O error, dev fd0, sector 0 end_request: I/O error, dev fd0, sector 0 end_request: I/O error, dev fd0, sector 0 subfs: unsuccessful attempt to mount media (256) end_request: I/O error, dev fd0, sector 0 end_request: I/O error, dev fd0, sector 0 end_request: I/O error, dev fd0, sector 0 end_request: I/O error, dev fd0, sector 0 subfs: unsuccessful attempt to mount media (256) hda: packet command error: status=0x51 { DriveReady SeekComplete Error } hda: packet command error: error=0x54 { AbortedCommand LastFailedSense=0x05 } ide: failed opcode was: unknown hda: packet command error: status=0x51 { DriveReady SeekComplete Error } hda: packet command error: error=0x54 { AbortedCommand LastFailedSense=0x05 } ide: failed opcode was: unknown hda: packet command error: status=0x51 { DriveReady SeekComplete Error } hda: packet command error: error=0x54 { AbortedCommand LastFailedSense=0x05 } ide: failed opcode was: unknown hda: packet command error: status=0x51 { DriveReady SeekComplete Error } hda: packet command error: error=0x54 { AbortedCommand LastFailedSense=0x05 } ide: failed opcode was: unknown ISO 9660 Extensions: RRIP_1991A As you can see, I don't use hda : /root> df -m Filesystem 1M-blocks Used Available Use% Mounted on /dev/sda5 36428 29754 4825 87% / tmpfs 505 0 505 0% /dev/shm /dev/sda2 92 13 75 15% /boot /dev/sda1 38148 7696 30452 21% /winblows Robert > ====================================================================== > Joe Hartley - UNIX/network Consultant - jh@brainiac.com > Without deviation from the norm, "progress" is not possible. - FZappa > From perodog at gmx.net Fri Oct 20 12:51:52 2006 From: perodog at gmx.net (Dragan Noveski) Date: Fri Oct 20 12:51:53 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Smack and Seq24 In-Reply-To: <20061020131612.91841.qmail@web33002.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20061020131612.91841.qmail@web33002.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4538FEA8.5070102@gmx.net> Stephen Cameron wrote: > --- Thorsten Wilms wrote: > > [...] > >> I'm not aware of anything similar to either Hydrogen or Smack. >> > > Gneutronica is somewhat similar to hydrogen, but it's strictly > a MIDI sequencer, it has no sounds of its own. Also, it's not > integrated with Jack. Someday maybe I'll get around to doing > that. > > http://gneutronica.sourceforge.net/ > > -- steve > > i have gneutronica v0.33 here running with jack. this release is about 2 or 3 months old. cheers, doc From jouni.rinne at luukku.com Fri Oct 20 13:34:58 2006 From: jouni.rinne at luukku.com (Jouni Rinne) Date: Fri Oct 20 13:35:23 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] jack_mixer - frist release In-Reply-To: <87y7rbqsbo.fsf@arnaudov.name> References: <87y7rbqsbo.fsf@arnaudov.name> Message-ID: <453908C2.6030608@luukku.com> Nedko Arnaudov kirjoitti: > jack_mixer is GTK (2.x) JACK audio mixer with look similar to it`s > hardware counterparts. It has lot of useful features, apart from being > able to mix multiple JACK audio streams. > > Homepage with screenshots: http://home.gna.org/jackmixer/ > > Download: http://download.gna.org/jackmixer/ > I'm trying to install jack_mixer, and - at the same time - create Gentoo ebuild(s) for it, but I got stuck with pylash: I compiled the sources, but what should be installed and where? No documentation anywhere... JR -- | me@home ~$whoami ^ ^ | "Trust me, I know what I'm doing!" | | Jouni 'Mad Max' Rinne ('x') | - Sledge Hammer | | me@home ~$man woman C " " | -------[ph34r t3h p3Ngu1n]-------- | | Segmentation fault (core dumped) | l33tmmx at sci dot fi | From rj at spamatica.se Fri Oct 20 13:53:02 2006 From: rj at spamatica.se (Robert Jonsson) Date: Fri Oct 20 13:50:31 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [hit] new tune In-Reply-To: <20061014205741.GA6278@charly.SWORD> References: <200610141442.13290.rj@spamatica.se> <200610142212.06170.rj@spamatica.se> <20061014205741.GA6278@charly.SWORD> Message-ID: <200610201953.03215.rj@spamatica.se> Reboot <...> > > I'm tempted to ask for single, dry tracks, but just now there's MusE > waiting with Mr. Godfrey's music :) Hehe, yes, but that would be to admit defeat (or I'm just scared to share), so I'll keep exerimenting myself ;) Regards, Robert -- http://spamatica.se/musicsite/ Cthulhu Fhtagn From rj at spamatica.se Fri Oct 20 13:54:12 2006 From: rj at spamatica.se (Robert Jonsson) Date: Fri Oct 20 13:52:02 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [hit] new tune In-Reply-To: <20061016185350.6a2ef1d7@localhost> References: <200610141442.13290.rj@spamatica.se> <20061015225626.GA1377@fitz.Belkin> <20061016185350.6a2ef1d7@localhost> Message-ID: <200610201954.13138.rj@spamatica.se> On Monday 16 October 2006 19:53, Folderol wrote: > On Sun, 15 Oct 2006 23:56:26 +0100 > > james@dis-dot-dat.net wrote: > > I *like* the bassiness. > > > > It goes "thwum thwum thwumthwumdum dum dum Dang g-darngh!" > > It does now. Previously it went: > > "thw thw thmwmdm dm dm dng g,drh?" Very nice imitations, made me smile, both of them :) /Robert -- http://spamatica.se/musicsite/ From rj at spamatica.se Fri Oct 20 13:58:59 2006 From: rj at spamatica.se (Robert Jonsson) Date: Fri Oct 20 13:56:22 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [hit] new tune In-Reply-To: <20061017000128.71fe4741.dplist@free.fr> References: <200610141442.13290.rj@spamatica.se> <200610142212.06170.rj@spamatica.se> <20061017000128.71fe4741.dplist@free.fr> Message-ID: <200610201959.00235.rj@spamatica.se> On Tuesday 17 October 2006 00:01, David wrote: > On Sat, 14 Oct 2006 22:12:05 +0200 > > Robert Jonsson wrote: > > New one > > http://spamatica.se/music/spamatica/default/spamatica_-_one_hit_wonder1.3 > >.ogg > > Am I the only one to actually _hear_ the brutal limiting on this ? Is > that the ogg encoding or have you played with the peak chainsaw ? Peak chainsaw, I like that expression. > I can > hear clicks throughout the song and looking at the waveform in rezound > or mhwavedit confirms what my ears told me. It is indeed hitting the limiter very hard, on purpose. Not very hifi I know... Though, clicks, I can't really hear them no. You have younger and less destroyed ears I suppose ;) > > But the raw power of rock is there, no doubt ! :) :) /Robert > > Thanks for sharing. -- http://spamatica.se/musicsite/ From perodog at gmx.net Fri Oct 20 14:00:27 2006 From: perodog at gmx.net (Dragan Noveski) Date: Fri Oct 20 14:00:30 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] flash 9 beta In-Reply-To: <20061020140353.GA7359@slinkp.com> References: <20061019154505.GB7333@slinkp.com> <1161275544.15860.201.camel@mindpipe> <4537D9E7.1000702@gmail.com> <200610191613.17597.lau@kudla.org> <4538C3FB.60503@gmx.net> <20061020140353.GA7359@slinkp.com> Message-ID: <45390EBB.60808@gmx.net> Paul Winkler wrote: >>> >> can you please tell what of python stuff you have installed? >> i have 2.4.3 python and the same version of python-minimal, but the >> executable wants not to start, complaining that python is missing. >> > > AFAICT it requires nothing but python 2.4 and the standard libraries. > > The "hashbang" at the beginning of the script reads: > #!/usr/bin/env python > > This is a common trick to avoid needing to know where the python > interpreter lives. Two things could go wrong with that: > > 1) You might not have "env" installed, or it might be somewhere > other than /usr/bin. (It's provided by gnu coreutils so i'd be amazed > if your distro doesn't have it.) > Try this: > env --version > which env > > 2) If you have multiple python versions installed, it's likely > that 'python' is a symlink to the wrong one. youtube-dl is hardcoded > to exit if the version is less than 2.4, with the message > 'Error: Python 2.4 or later needed to run the program' > > Try this: > > ls -l `which python` > > and/or > > /usr/bin/env python -V > > ... and see what that tells you. > > If you need to keep around an earlier version of python as the default > python, a workaround is to invoke 2.4 directly, > typically something like: > > python2.4 /path/to/youtube-dl ... > > If that works, wrap it up as a shell alias for convenience, > e.g. in .bashrc: > > alias youtube-dl="/usr/bin/python2.4 /path/to/youtube-dl" > > hi, that was right, i had python as a symlink to python2.3, so i removed and put the link to python2.4. now it works! thanks very much for the help and cheers, doc From rj at spamatica.se Fri Oct 20 14:05:02 2006 From: rj at spamatica.se (Robert Jonsson) Date: Fri Oct 20 14:02:35 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [hit] new tune In-Reply-To: <20061016211205.GA11683@slinkp.com> References: <200610141442.13290.rj@spamatica.se> <200610142212.06170.rj@spamatica.se> <20061016211205.GA11683@slinkp.com> Message-ID: <200610202005.02447.rj@spamatica.se> On Monday 16 October 2006 23:12, Paul Winkler wrote: > On Sat, Oct 14, 2006 at 10:12:05PM +0200, Robert Jonsson wrote: > > On Saturday 14 October 2006 17:27, Folderol wrote: > > > On Sat, 14 Oct 2006 16:06:27 +0200 > > > > > > Thorsten Wilms wrote: > > > > On Sat, Oct 14, 2006 at 02:42:12PM +0200, Robert Jonsson wrote: > > > > > http://spamatica.se/music/spamatica/default/spamatica_-_one_hit_won > > > > >der1 .2.ogg > > > > New one > > http://spamatica.se/music/spamatica/default/spamatica_-_one_hit_wonder1.3 > >.ogg > > That's hysterical. Mix sounds great in my headphones (AKG K240). > > Very nice guitar and bass sounds, care to explain how you recorded those? Sure, nothing original. I just play _very_ hard... ;) ok ok Both are recorded through a PODxt with a heavily tweaked guitar patch that I like very much. Dark, does not distort that much unless you hit it hard. Oh and the guitar was tuned in D. The bass used another patch with a bit of distortion to get some more presence. > > Drums are odd: they sound like samples (almost impossible to avoid > without using a real drummer IMO), but the timing has some human > roughness to it - which overall I like a lot, but there are some fills > where the drummer seems to be a bit drunk :) Appropriate for the style > though. Yes, drunk, me. Drum programming is tireing... It is possible that a tempo related bug in MusE has something to do with it also. I need to check that. /Robert -- http://spamatica.se/musicsite/ From pw_lists at slinkp.com Fri Oct 20 15:00:49 2006 From: pw_lists at slinkp.com (Paul Winkler) Date: Fri Oct 20 15:01:06 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] flash 9 beta In-Reply-To: <45390EBB.60808@gmx.net> References: <20061019154505.GB7333@slinkp.com> <1161275544.15860.201.camel@mindpipe> <4537D9E7.1000702@gmail.com> <200610191613.17597.lau@kudla.org> <4538C3FB.60503@gmx.net> <20061020140353.GA7359@slinkp.com> <45390EBB.60808@gmx.net> Message-ID: <20061020190049.GE7359@slinkp.com> On Fri, Oct 20, 2006 at 08:00:27PM +0200, Dragan Noveski wrote: > hi, > that was right, i had python as a symlink to python2.3, so i removed and > put the link to python2.4. Careful. If you're using a distro that still uses 2.3 by default, I'd play it safe and leave that symlink alone. Lots of distros use python for various administrative tools. You could have problems like: some administrative gadget provided by your distro uses some optional package which you have installed for 2.3 but not 2.4, so you've just broken said gadget. In other words: don't do stuff like that unless you really know what you're doing :) (why distros still use 2.3 by default is beyond me... 2.4 is two years old already and 2.5 just came out.) -- Paul Winkler http://www.slinkp.com From perodog at gmx.net Fri Oct 20 15:08:24 2006 From: perodog at gmx.net (Dragan Noveski) Date: Fri Oct 20 15:08:21 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] flash 9 beta In-Reply-To: <20061020190049.GE7359@slinkp.com> References: <20061019154505.GB7333@slinkp.com> <1161275544.15860.201.camel@mindpipe> <4537D9E7.1000702@gmail.com> <200610191613.17597.lau@kudla.org> <4538C3FB.60503@gmx.net> <20061020140353.GA7359@slinkp.com> <45390EBB.60808@gmx.net> <20061020190049.GE7359@slinkp.com> Message-ID: <45391EA8.8000706@gmx.net> Paul Winkler wrote: > On Fri, Oct 20, 2006 at 08:00:27PM +0200, Dragan Noveski wrote: > >> hi, >> that was right, i had python as a symlink to python2.3, so i removed and >> put the link to python2.4. >> > > Careful. If you're using a distro that still uses 2.3 by default, I'd > play it safe and leave that symlink alone. Lots of distros use python > for various administrative tools. You could have problems like: > some administrative gadget provided by your distro uses some optional > package which you have installed for 2.3 but not 2.4, so you've just > broken said gadget. > > In other words: don't do stuff like that unless you really know what > you're doing :) > > (why distros still use 2.3 by default is beyond me... 2.4 is two years > old already and 2.5 just came out.) > > ok, was not thinking so far, but the hint you told me about the .bashrc i did not got running: >If that works, wrap it up as a shell alias for convenience, >e.g. in .bashrc: >alias youtube-dl="/usr/bin/python2.4 /path/to/youtube-dl" i putted the last line at the end of my .bashrc , exited x and logged out, than login again, but youtube-dl was complaining again the same thing. can you explain wath you think with that? cheers, doc From pw_lists at slinkp.com Fri Oct 20 15:16:01 2006 From: pw_lists at slinkp.com (Paul Winkler) Date: Fri Oct 20 15:16:24 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] flash 9 beta In-Reply-To: <45391EA8.8000706@gmx.net> References: <20061019154505.GB7333@slinkp.com> <1161275544.15860.201.camel@mindpipe> <4537D9E7.1000702@gmail.com> <200610191613.17597.lau@kudla.org> <4538C3FB.60503@gmx.net> <20061020140353.GA7359@slinkp.com> <45390EBB.60808@gmx.net> <20061020190049.GE7359@slinkp.com> <45391EA8.8000706@gmx.net> Message-ID: <20061020191601.GA10357@slinkp.com> On Fri, Oct 20, 2006 at 09:08:24PM +0200, Dragan Noveski wrote: > >alias youtube-dl="/usr/bin/python2.4 /path/to/youtube-dl" > > i putted the last line at the end of my .bashrc , exited x and logged > out, than login again, but youtube-dl was complaining again the same thing. > can you explain wath you think with that? First check that the alias actually got read by your current shell. alias with no arguments should give a list of known aliases. barring that, check the paths you put in the alias. Do they point to where those files actually live? -- Paul Winkler http://www.slinkp.com From perodog at gmx.net Fri Oct 20 15:34:48 2006 From: perodog at gmx.net (Dragan Noveski) Date: Fri Oct 20 15:35:27 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] flash 9 beta In-Reply-To: <20061020191601.GA10357@slinkp.com> References: <20061019154505.GB7333@slinkp.com> <1161275544.15860.201.camel@mindpipe> <4537D9E7.1000702@gmail.com> <200610191613.17597.lau@kudla.org> <4538C3FB.60503@gmx.net> <20061020140353.GA7359@slinkp.com> <45390EBB.60808@gmx.net> <20061020190049.GE7359@slinkp.com> <45391EA8.8000706@gmx.net> <20061020191601.GA10357@slinkp.com> Message-ID: <453924D8.9020202@gmx.net> Paul Winkler wrote: > On Fri, Oct 20, 2006 at 09:08:24PM +0200, Dragan Noveski wrote: > >>> alias youtube-dl="/usr/bin/python2.4 /path/to/youtube-dl" >>> >> i putted the last line at the end of my .bashrc , exited x and logged >> out, than login again, but youtube-dl was complaining again the same thing. >> can you explain wath you think with that? >> > > First check that the alias actually got read by your current shell. > alias with no arguments should give a list of known aliases. > > barring that, check the paths you put in the alias. > Do they point to where those files actually live? > > it works now, only exiting x was not enough, i had to make a reboot. now the link is again pointing to python2.3 and with the "alias..." in my .bashrc everything good. thanks one more time for the help, cheers, doc From brad at sonaural.com Fri Oct 20 16:08:48 2006 From: brad at sonaural.com (Brad Fuller) Date: Fri Oct 20 16:10:35 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] flash 9 beta In-Reply-To: <4537C8A2.2040402@sonaural.com> References: <20061019154505.GB7333@slinkp.com> <1161279352.15860.215.camel@mindpipe> <4537BED0.6080500@sonaural.com> <1161282505.15860.227.camel@mindpipe> <4537C8A2.2040402@sonaural.com> Message-ID: <45392CD0.7020008@sonaural.com> Brad Fuller wrote: > Lee Revell wrote: > >> On Thu, 2006-10-19 at 11:07 -0700, Brad Fuller wrote: >> >> >>> Lee Revell wrote: >>> >>> >>>> On Thu, 2006-10-19 at 11:45 -0400, Paul Winkler wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> finally! >>>>> http://labs.adobe.com/technologies/flashplayer9/ >>>>> seems to work here with firefox 1.5.0.7. >>>>> >>>>> *much* better sound synchronization - i can finally watch stuff on >>>>> youtube without screaming in frustration. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> Can someone test whether it works with dmix? I ran strings on the >>>> binary and the only ALSA device name I saw was "plughw:0,0" which is >>>> worrisome. >>>> >>>> Is there a way to select the sound device? I couldn't find one. Surely >>>> it isn't hardcoded to use device 0? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> wouldn't it use the facility (for lack of a better word) of the browser? >>> The current browser's use OSS. >>> >>> >>> >> No, it's not the browser that uses OSS but the flash applet. The flash >> player accesses the sound system directly, it does not go through the >> browser. >> >> > Good to know, thanks. > So, is fp9 using OSS or ALSA? > This article: http://www.desktoplinux.com/news/NS8896383153.html says: Flash Player 9, according to Adobe's release notes, requires an 800 MHz or faster processor, 512MB of RAM, 128MB of graphics memory, and ALSA (Advanced Linux Sound Architecture) compatible audio hardware. It will not work with OSS (Open Sound System) audio. In addition, if you try to run it with OSS, you will not get an error message, you simply won't get any audio. brad From rncbc at rncbc.org Fri Oct 20 17:48:58 2006 From: rncbc at rncbc.org (Rui Nuno Capela) Date: Fri Oct 20 17:46:25 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Qjackctl setup In-Reply-To: <1161351420.16407.34.camel@zordi> References: <1161351420.16407.34.camel@zordi> Message-ID: <4539444A.8000409@rncbc.org> joel silvestre wrote: > Hi, > > I can't see no more detailled information about Interface Input Device > and Output Device in the Setting window. > The "> " button to select PCM , input and output devices show only > (default). > > aplay -l and arecord -l gives : > > [moa@portable ~]$ aplay -l > **** List of PLAYBACK Hardware Devices **** > card 0: Intel [HDA Intel], device 0: ALC880 Analog [ALC880 Analog] > Subdevices: 1/1 > Subdevice #0: subdevice #0 > card 0: Intel [HDA Intel], device 2: ALC880 Digital [ALC880 Digital] > Subdevices: 1/1 > Subdevice #0: subdevice #0 > card 1: default [USB Audio CODEC ], device 0: USB Audio [USB Audio] > Subdevices: 1/1 > Subdevice #0: subdevice #0 > [moa@portable ~]$ arecord -l > **** List of CAPTURE Hardware Devices **** > card 0: Intel [HDA Intel], device 0: ALC880 Analog [ALC880 Analog] > Subdevices: 2/2 > Subdevice #0: subdevice #0 > Subdevice #1: subdevice #1 > card 0: Intel [HDA Intel], device 1: ALC880 Analog [ALC880 Analog] > Subdevices: 2/2 > Subdevice #0: subdevice #0 > Subdevice #1: subdevice #1 > card 1: default [USB Audio CODEC ], device 0: USB Audio [USB Audio] > Subdevices: 1/1 > Subdevice #0: subdevice #0 > > > This happen with Qjackctl 0.2.20.10 and Mandriva 2007. I try on two > different laptop and it's the same. > > What can I do? > What's in /proc/asound/pcm ? -- rncbc aka Rui Nuno Capela rncbc@rncbc.org From j.silvestre at wanadoo.fr Fri Oct 20 18:52:59 2006 From: j.silvestre at wanadoo.fr (joel silvestre) Date: Fri Oct 20 18:53:08 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Qjackctl setup In-Reply-To: <4539444A.8000409@rncbc.org> References: <1161351420.16407.34.camel@zordi> <4539444A.8000409@rncbc.org> Message-ID: <1161384779.16407.37.camel@zordi> Le vendredi 20 octobre 2006 ? 22:48 +0100, Rui Nuno Capela a ?crit : > joel silvestre wrote: > > Hi, > > > > I can't see no more detailled information about Interface Input Device > > and Output Device in the Setting window. > > The "> " button to select PCM , input and output devices show only > > (default). > > > > aplay -l and arecord -l gives : > > > > [moa@portable ~]$ aplay -l > > **** List of PLAYBACK Hardware Devices **** > > card 0: Intel [HDA Intel], device 0: ALC880 Analog [ALC880 Analog] > > Subdevices: 1/1 > > Subdevice #0: subdevice #0 > > card 0: Intel [HDA Intel], device 2: ALC880 Digital [ALC880 Digital] > > Subdevices: 1/1 > > Subdevice #0: subdevice #0 > > card 1: default [USB Audio CODEC ], device 0: USB Audio [USB Audio] > > Subdevices: 1/1 > > Subdevice #0: subdevice #0 > > [moa@portable ~]$ arecord -l > > **** List of CAPTURE Hardware Devices **** > > card 0: Intel [HDA Intel], device 0: ALC880 Analog [ALC880 Analog] > > Subdevices: 2/2 > > Subdevice #0: subdevice #0 > > Subdevice #1: subdevice #1 > > card 0: Intel [HDA Intel], device 1: ALC880 Analog [ALC880 Analog] > > Subdevices: 2/2 > > Subdevice #0: subdevice #0 > > Subdevice #1: subdevice #1 > > card 1: default [USB Audio CODEC ], device 0: USB Audio [USB Audio] > > Subdevices: 1/1 > > Subdevice #0: subdevice #0 > > > > > > This happen with Qjackctl 0.2.20.10 and Mandriva 2007. I try on two > > different laptop and it's the same. > > > > What can I do? > > > > What's in /proc/asound/pcm ? > [moa@portable ~]$ cat /proc/asound/pcm 00-02: ALC880 Digital : ALC880 Digital : playback 1 00-01: ALC880 Analog : ALC880 Analog : capture 2 00-00: ALC880 Analog : ALC880 Analog : playback 1 : capture 2 01-00: USB Audio : USB Audio : playback 1 : capture 1 From mista.tapas at gmx.net Fri Oct 20 20:14:39 2006 From: mista.tapas at gmx.net (Florian Schmidt) Date: Fri Oct 20 20:14:40 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Smack and Seq24 In-Reply-To: <4722.80.124.137.204.1161348396.squirrel@webmail.migratis.net> References: <3429.80.124.137.204.1161337534.squirrel@webmail.migratis.net> <4538A9E2.3040000@linuxuse.de> <4722.80.124.137.204.1161348396.squirrel@webmail.migratis.net> Message-ID: <200610210214.39965.mista.tapas@gmx.net> On Friday 20 October 2006 14:46, Dubphil wrote: > > Specimen is very stable, light and flexible: > > Arrgh! Specimen would be exactly what I need if there was a mono or a > stereo audio output for each patch. But for now it is not the case... Hmm, you should be abkle to start several instances i suppose. When patched up with LASH support, it's no problem to work with several instances.. Or at least so i thought. But it seems to simply fail when the jack name is taken by a previous instance. Should be easy to fix i suppose.. Flo -- Palimm Palimm! http://tapas.affenbande.org From drobilla at connect.carleton.ca Fri Oct 20 21:45:27 2006 From: drobilla at connect.carleton.ca (Dave Robillard) Date: Fri Oct 20 21:45:59 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Smack and Seq24 In-Reply-To: <200610210214.39965.mista.tapas@gmx.net> References: <3429.80.124.137.204.1161337534.squirrel@webmail.migratis.net> <4538A9E2.3040000@linuxuse.de> <4722.80.124.137.204.1161348396.squirrel@webmail.migratis.net> <200610210214.39965.mista.tapas@gmx.net> Message-ID: <1161395127.24563.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Sat, 2006-10-21 at 02:14 +0200, Florian Schmidt wrote: > On Friday 20 October 2006 14:46, Dubphil wrote: > > > Specimen is very stable, light and flexible: > > > > Arrgh! Specimen would be exactly what I need if there was a mono or a > > stereo audio output for each patch. But for now it is not the case... > > Hmm, you should be abkle to start several instances i suppose. When patched up > with LASH support, it's no problem to work with several instances.. Or at > least so i thought. But it seems to simply fail when the jack name is taken > by a previous instance. Should be easy to fix i suppose.. If this is happening Specimen needs to be updated to use the new jack_client_open vs the old jack_client_new, which will automatically pick a new name by appending a number (eg specimen_1 specimen_2, etc). It's a trivial one line thing... -DR- From loki.davison at gmail.com Sat Oct 21 01:13:50 2006 From: loki.davison at gmail.com (Loki Davison) Date: Sat Oct 21 01:15:29 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Smack and Seq24 In-Reply-To: <3429.80.124.137.204.1161337534.squirrel@webmail.migratis.net> References: <3429.80.124.137.204.1161337534.squirrel@webmail.migratis.net> Message-ID: On 10/20/06, Dubphil wrote: > Hello, > > I currently use hydrogen for my drums, but for now, it is not 100% stable > with ecasound and Jack transport when it stops playing. And actually, it > stop Seq24 when I want to load another h2song; this is detrimental for me. > > I'm lurking on Smack, but it needs OM to work as I have read, does it work > with Seq24 only ? if not, does something similar to Smack exists that > would not have any sequencer inside and should be sequenced with seq24 ? > Something very light and stable should be ok. > > Thanks in advance for your advices. > > Philippe > Smack works with any midi sequencer, i just quite like seq24 ;) I also like MusE. Smack doesn't have any internal sequencer, so gnutronica is fine as a midi sequencer for it. It's very stable but not very light on cpu compared to sampling. It is however very flexible, and if you want Roland TR style stuff it's the tool for the job. If you want realistic, it's not. ;) If you have any issues with smack feel free to pester me with bug reports and feature requests. Loki From smcameron at yahoo.com Sat Oct 21 01:28:02 2006 From: smcameron at yahoo.com (Stephen Cameron) Date: Sat Oct 21 01:28:11 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Smack and Seq24 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20061021052802.91302.qmail@web33009.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- Loki Davison wrote: > Smack works with any midi sequencer, i just quite like seq24 ;) I also > like MusE. Smack doesn't have any internal sequencer, so gnutronica is > fine as a midi sequencer for it. It's gneutronica. (rather than gnutronica) \Originally, I imagined the name as Gnu Tattoo, as this seemed the _perfect_ name for a new GPL licensed drum machine software, and I was amazed to find the name "gnue tattoo" still available. But, sourceforge wil not allow anything to be named "gnu-anything", so I was forced to come up with a name on the spot, so I made up gneutronice, sticking the "e" in there to "get around" sourceforge's restritction about projects being named "gnu-x" I stil wish it could be named GNU Tattoo, as that is just a freakin' cool name. (Note, Motley Crue named their first new album with a drummer other than Tommy Lee as "new tattoo" which I thought was pretty clever, esp. considering that it is Motley Crue we're talking about here.... LOL.) -- arwcw __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From nedko at arnaudov.name Sat Oct 21 03:05:01 2006 From: nedko at arnaudov.name (Nedko Arnaudov) Date: Sat Oct 21 03:05:17 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] jack_mixer - frist release In-Reply-To: <453908C2.6030608@luukku.com> (Jouni Rinne's message of "Fri, 20 Oct 2006 20:34:58 +0300") References: <87y7rbqsbo.fsf@arnaudov.name> <453908C2.6030608@luukku.com> Message-ID: <87bqo6174y.fsf@arnaudov.name> Jouni Rinne writes: > I'm trying to install jack_mixer, and - at the same time - create Gentoo > ebuild(s) for it, but I got stuck with pylash: I compiled the sources, but what > should be installed and where? No documentation anywhere... eh... sorry for that, I thought pylash will be in official lash more quickly :D What you need is to copy _lash.so and lash.py to site-packages directory for the right python version. 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Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 188 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://music.columbia.edu/pipermail/linux-audio-user/attachments/20061021/068a4d0f/attachment.bin From gnome at hawaii.rr.com Sat Oct 21 04:03:36 2006 From: gnome at hawaii.rr.com (david) Date: Sat Oct 21 04:03:48 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] flash 9 beta In-Reply-To: <45392CD0.7020008@sonaural.com> References: <20061019154505.GB7333@slinkp.com> <1161279352.15860.215.camel@mindpipe> <4537BED0.6080500@sonaural.com> <1161282505.15860.227.camel@mindpipe> <4537C8A2.2040402@sonaural.com> <45392CD0.7020008@sonaural.com> Message-ID: <4539D458.1080100@hawaii.rr.com> Brad Fuller wrote: >> So, is fp9 using OSS or ALSA? >> > This article: > http://www.desktoplinux.com/news/NS8896383153.html > says: > Flash Player 9, according to Adobe's release notes, requires an 800 MHz > or faster processor, 512MB of RAM, 128MB of graphics memory, and ALSA > (Advanced Linux Sound Architecture) compatible audio hardware. It will > not work with OSS (Open Sound System) audio. In addition, if you try to > run it with OSS, you will not get an error message, you simply won't get > any audio. Well, my 1.5GHz Celeron laptop is only providing 64MB of graphics memory, but Flash 9 works fine here. I use ALSA. -- David gnome@hawaii.rr.com authenticity, honesty, community From rncbc at rncbc.org Sat Oct 21 06:27:25 2006 From: rncbc at rncbc.org (Rui Nuno Capela) Date: Sat Oct 21 06:24:31 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Qjackctl setup In-Reply-To: <1161384779.16407.37.camel@zordi> References: <1161351420.16407.34.camel@zordi> <4539444A.8000409@rncbc.org> <1161384779.16407.37.camel@zordi> Message-ID: <4539F60D.7080706@rncbc.org> joel silvestre wrote: > Le vendredi 20 octobre 2006 ? 22:48 +0100, Rui Nuno Capela a ?crit : >> joel silvestre wrote: >>> Hi, >>> >>> I can't see no more detailled information about Interface Input Device >>> and Output Device in the Setting window. >>> The "> " button to select PCM , input and output devices show only >>> (default). >>> >>> aplay -l and arecord -l gives : >>> >>> [moa@portable ~]$ aplay -l >>> **** List of PLAYBACK Hardware Devices **** >>> card 0: Intel [HDA Intel], device 0: ALC880 Analog [ALC880 Analog] >>> Subdevices: 1/1 >>> Subdevice #0: subdevice #0 >>> card 0: Intel [HDA Intel], device 2: ALC880 Digital [ALC880 Digital] >>> Subdevices: 1/1 >>> Subdevice #0: subdevice #0 >>> card 1: default [USB Audio CODEC ], device 0: USB Audio [USB Audio] >>> Subdevices: 1/1 >>> Subdevice #0: subdevice #0 >>> [moa@portable ~]$ arecord -l >>> **** List of CAPTURE Hardware Devices **** >>> card 0: Intel [HDA Intel], device 0: ALC880 Analog [ALC880 Analog] >>> Subdevices: 2/2 >>> Subdevice #0: subdevice #0 >>> Subdevice #1: subdevice #1 >>> card 0: Intel [HDA Intel], device 1: ALC880 Analog [ALC880 Analog] >>> Subdevices: 2/2 >>> Subdevice #0: subdevice #0 >>> Subdevice #1: subdevice #1 >>> card 1: default [USB Audio CODEC ], device 0: USB Audio [USB Audio] >>> Subdevices: 1/1 >>> Subdevice #0: subdevice #0 >>> >>> >>> This happen with Qjackctl 0.2.20.10 and Mandriva 2007. I try on two >>> different laptop and it's the same. >>> >>> What can I do? >>> >> What's in /proc/asound/pcm ? >> > > [moa@portable ~]$ cat /proc/asound/pcm > 00-02: ALC880 Digital : ALC880 Digital : playback 1 > 00-01: ALC880 Analog : ALC880 Analog : capture 2 > 00-00: ALC880 Analog : ALC880 Analog : playback 1 : capture 2 > 01-00: USB Audio : USB Audio : playback 1 : capture 1 > > That's what's supposed to appear on the popup menu when you press the ">" button on the right oto the Interface and Input/Output Device fields. Provided you have "alsa" as current selected Driver. Did you, for any instance, built qjackctl _without_ ALSA support? That must be the case. Try rebuilding qjackctl but make sure you have alsa-devel installed. Cheers. -- rncbc aka Rui Nuno Capela rncbc@rncbc.org From yves at jazzcomputer.org Sat Oct 21 06:24:15 2006 From: yves at jazzcomputer.org (Yves Potin) Date: Sat Oct 21 06:24:43 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Smack and Seq24 In-Reply-To: References: <3429.80.124.137.204.1161337534.squirrel@webmail.migratis.net> Message-ID: <20061021102415.GD11024@localhost> Le 21 Oct ? 15:13, Loki Davison ecrivait: > Smack works with any midi sequencer, i just quite like seq24 ;) I also > like MusE. Smack doesn't have any internal sequencer, so gnutronica is > fine as a midi sequencer for it. It's very stable but not very light > on cpu compared to sampling. It is however very flexible, and if you > want Roland TR style stuff it's the tool for the job. If you want > realistic, it's not. ;) If you have any issues with smack feel free to > pester me with bug reports and feature requests. Hi, I have an issue :). I try to build smack on gentoo, it's on the pro-audio overlay. The first thing is that the ebuild needs to me modified to put this : ESVN_REPO_URI="http://svn.codeson.net/flowcanvas" instead of codeson.net/svn/flowcanvas or the svn can't be found. Then, boost is needed to build flowcanvas or the configure fails. But all this is pro-audio overlay specific, flowcanvas then seems to build normally. The real problem is on the build of the cvs version of om, which requires flowcanvas : OmModule.h: In member function 'virtual OmGtk::OmPort* OmGtk::OmModule::port(const std::string&)': OmModule.h:55: erreur: 'port' is not a member of 'LibFlowCanvas::Module' OmFlowCanvas.h: In member function 'OmGtk::OmModule* OmGtk::OmFlowCanvas::find_module(const std::string&)': OmFlowCanvas.h:41: erreur: 'find_module' is not a member of 'LibFlowCanvas::FlowCanvas' make[4]: *** [App.o] Erreur 1 Boost 1.33.1, gtkmm 2.8.3 and libgnomecanvasmm 2.12.0 are installed. I have not reached the build of smack itself, but would anybody have an idea ? Thanks in advance, Y. From t_w_ at freenet.de Sat Oct 21 06:45:05 2006 From: t_w_ at freenet.de (Thorsten Wilms) Date: Sat Oct 21 06:45:53 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Smack and Seq24 In-Reply-To: <20061021102415.GD11024@localhost> References: <3429.80.124.137.204.1161337534.squirrel@webmail.migratis.net> <20061021102415.GD11024@localhost> Message-ID: <20061021104505.GB5469@charly.SWORD> On Sat, Oct 21, 2006 at 12:24:15PM +0200, Yves Potin wrote: > I try to build smack on gentoo, it's on the pro-audio overlay. > The first thing is that the ebuild needs to me modified to put this > : ESVN_REPO_URI="http://svn.codeson.net/flowcanvas" instead of > codeson.net/svn/flowcanvas or the svn can't be found. Then, boost is > needed to build flowcanvas or the configure fails. But all this is > pro-audio overlay specific, flowcanvas then seems to build normally. > The real problem is on the build of the cvs version of om, which > requires flowcanvas : > > OmModule.h: In member function 'virtual OmGtk::OmPort* OmGtk::OmModule::port(const std::string&)': > OmModule.h:55: erreur: 'port' is not a member of 'LibFlowCanvas::Module' > OmFlowCanvas.h: In member function 'OmGtk::OmModule* OmGtk::OmFlowCanvas::find_module(const std::string&)': > OmFlowCanvas.h:41: erreur: 'find_module' is not a member of 'LibFlowCanvas::FlowCanvas' > make[4]: *** [App.o] Erreur 1 > > Boost 1.33.1, gtkmm 2.8.3 and libgnomecanvasmm 2.12.0 are installed. > I have not reached the build of smack itself, but would anybody > have an idea ? The flowcanvas from codeson.net is a newer version, right for ingen and patchage from the same repo. I don't know what version of Om you can get from the pro-audio overlay, but the semi-official last tarball needs flowcanvas from the om cvs at savannah. As there's no versioning, old and new flowcanvas can not coexist. An alternative might be building static The old Om doesn't build with gcc 4.x, but older will do, btw. The successor Ingen isn't ready to be used yet. Note that all pre-codeson.net stuff isn't supported by Dave anymore and shouldn't be brought up on the om list or the #ingen channel. -- Thorsten Wilms From j.silvestre at wanadoo.fr Sat Oct 21 07:18:38 2006 From: j.silvestre at wanadoo.fr (joel silvestre) Date: Sat Oct 21 07:18:46 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Qjackctl setup In-Reply-To: <4539F60D.7080706@rncbc.org> References: <1161351420.16407.34.camel@zordi> <4539444A.8000409@rncbc.org> <1161384779.16407.37.camel@zordi> <4539F60D.7080706@rncbc.org> Message-ID: <1161429518.16407.44.camel@zordi> Le samedi 21 octobre 2006 ? 11:27 +0100, Rui Nuno Capela a ?crit : > joel silvestre wrote: > > Le vendredi 20 octobre 2006 ? 22:48 +0100, Rui Nuno Capela a ?crit : > >> joel silvestre wrote: > >>> Hi, > >>> > >>> I can't see no more detailled information about Interface Input Device > >>> and Output Device in the Setting window. > >>> The "> " button to select PCM , input and output devices show only > >>> (default). > >>> > >>> aplay -l and arecord -l gives : > >>> > >>> [moa@portable ~]$ aplay -l > >>> **** List of PLAYBACK Hardware Devices **** > >>> card 0: Intel [HDA Intel], device 0: ALC880 Analog [ALC880 Analog] > >>> Subdevices: 1/1 > >>> Subdevice #0: subdevice #0 > >>> card 0: Intel [HDA Intel], device 2: ALC880 Digital [ALC880 Digital] > >>> Subdevices: 1/1 > >>> Subdevice #0: subdevice #0 > >>> card 1: default [USB Audio CODEC ], device 0: USB Audio [USB Audio] > >>> Subdevices: 1/1 > >>> Subdevice #0: subdevice #0 > >>> [moa@portable ~]$ arecord -l > >>> **** List of CAPTURE Hardware Devices **** > >>> card 0: Intel [HDA Intel], device 0: ALC880 Analog [ALC880 Analog] > >>> Subdevices: 2/2 > >>> Subdevice #0: subdevice #0 > >>> Subdevice #1: subdevice #1 > >>> card 0: Intel [HDA Intel], device 1: ALC880 Analog [ALC880 Analog] > >>> Subdevices: 2/2 > >>> Subdevice #0: subdevice #0 > >>> Subdevice #1: subdevice #1 > >>> card 1: default [USB Audio CODEC ], device 0: USB Audio [USB Audio] > >>> Subdevices: 1/1 > >>> Subdevice #0: subdevice #0 > >>> > >>> > >>> This happen with Qjackctl 0.2.20.10 and Mandriva 2007. I try on two > >>> different laptop and it's the same. > >>> > >>> What can I do? > >>> > >> What's in /proc/asound/pcm ? > >> > > > > [moa@portable ~]$ cat /proc/asound/pcm > > 00-02: ALC880 Digital : ALC880 Digital : playback 1 > > 00-01: ALC880 Analog : ALC880 Analog : capture 2 > > 00-00: ALC880 Analog : ALC880 Analog : playback 1 : capture 2 > > 01-00: USB Audio : USB Audio : playback 1 : capture 1 > > > > > > That's what's supposed to appear on the popup menu when you press the > ">" button on the right oto the Interface and Input/Output Device > fields. Provided you have "alsa" as current selected Driver. > > Did you, for any instance, built qjackctl _without_ ALSA support? That > must be the case. Try rebuilding qjackctl but make sure you have > alsa-devel installed. > > Cheers. Qjackctl has been installed with official Mandriva rpm. So if Mandriva built it without ALSA support it's looks like a Mandriva's bug? Thank's From yves at jazzcomputer.org Sat Oct 21 07:20:37 2006 From: yves at jazzcomputer.org (Yves Potin) Date: Sat Oct 21 07:20:45 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Smack and Seq24 In-Reply-To: <20061021104505.GB5469@charly.SWORD> References: <3429.80.124.137.204.1161337534.squirrel@webmail.migratis.net> <20061021102415.GD11024@localhost> <20061021104505.GB5469@charly.SWORD> Message-ID: <20061021112037.GE11024@localhost> Le 21 Oct ? 12:45, Thorsten Wilms ecrivait: > The old Om doesn't build with gcc 4.x, but older will do, btw. OK, that's done for me :). I can grab the CVS version from flowcanvas and om. Thank you very much anyway. I'll wait for Ingen, and go on with the stable version of om. Y. From lau at ballen.fastmail.fm Sat Oct 21 08:00:52 2006 From: lau at ballen.fastmail.fm (Bill Allen) Date: Sat Oct 21 08:01:02 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] flash 9 beta In-Reply-To: <200610191726.33483.lau@kudla.org> References: <20061019154505.GB7333@slinkp.com> <4537D9E7.1000702@gmail.com> <1161289834.17041.172.camel@localhost.localdomain> <200610191726.33483.lau@kudla.org> Message-ID: <453A0BF4.3050309@ballen.fastmail.fm> Rob wrote: > On Thursday 19 October 2006 16:30, Paul Davis wrote: > >> I don't have cable TV and without YT's probably illegal >> content i would never have seen Stephen Colbert finally roast >> the president of the US and the media, would never have seen >> Keith Olbermann savage the US secretary of defense ala Murrow, >> and would never have seen Jon Stewart ridicule countless fools >> who needed to be ridiculed. >> > > To be fair, though, I got all three of those videos (well, the > first two plus various Stewart bits) via Bittorrent. They were > of way better quality than the Youtube versions, though the only > one that really needed it was the Colbert one. Democracy Player > would have gotten me all of those if I had it installed. > > I do have cable TV, but I would never have known when any of > those things originally aired and was probably working when they > did, anyway. > > Rob > My mother-in-law watches videos on YouTube. I can't imagine explaining to her how to use Bittorrent. Regards, Bill From rncbc at rncbc.org Sat Oct 21 08:52:52 2006 From: rncbc at rncbc.org (Rui Nuno Capela) Date: Sat Oct 21 08:54:41 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Qjackctl setup In-Reply-To: <1161429518.16407.44.camel@zordi> References: <1161351420.16407.34.camel@zordi> <4539444A.8000409@rncbc.org> <1161384779.16407.37.camel@zordi> <4539F60D.7080706@rncbc.org> <1161429518.16407.44.camel@zordi> Message-ID: <453A1824.3010705@rncbc.org> joel silvestre wrote: > Le samedi 21 octobre 2006 ? 11:27 +0100, Rui Nuno Capela a ?crit : >> joel silvestre wrote: >>> Le vendredi 20 octobre 2006 ? 22:48 +0100, Rui Nuno Capela a ?crit : >>>> joel silvestre wrote: >>>>> Hi, >>>>> >>>>> I can't see no more detailled information about Interface Input Device >>>>> and Output Device in the Setting window. >>>>> The "> " button to select PCM , input and output devices show only >>>>> (default). >>>>> >>>>> aplay -l and arecord -l gives : >>>>> >>>>> [moa@portable ~]$ aplay -l >>>>> **** List of PLAYBACK Hardware Devices **** >>>>> card 0: Intel [HDA Intel], device 0: ALC880 Analog [ALC880 Analog] >>>>> Subdevices: 1/1 >>>>> Subdevice #0: subdevice #0 >>>>> card 0: Intel [HDA Intel], device 2: ALC880 Digital [ALC880 Digital] >>>>> Subdevices: 1/1 >>>>> Subdevice #0: subdevice #0 >>>>> card 1: default [USB Audio CODEC ], device 0: USB Audio [USB Audio] >>>>> Subdevices: 1/1 >>>>> Subdevice #0: subdevice #0 >>>>> [moa@portable ~]$ arecord -l >>>>> **** List of CAPTURE Hardware Devices **** >>>>> card 0: Intel [HDA Intel], device 0: ALC880 Analog [ALC880 Analog] >>>>> Subdevices: 2/2 >>>>> Subdevice #0: subdevice #0 >>>>> Subdevice #1: subdevice #1 >>>>> card 0: Intel [HDA Intel], device 1: ALC880 Analog [ALC880 Analog] >>>>> Subdevices: 2/2 >>>>> Subdevice #0: subdevice #0 >>>>> Subdevice #1: subdevice #1 >>>>> card 1: default [USB Audio CODEC ], device 0: USB Audio [USB Audio] >>>>> Subdevices: 1/1 >>>>> Subdevice #0: subdevice #0 >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> This happen with Qjackctl 0.2.20.10 and Mandriva 2007. I try on two >>>>> different laptop and it's the same. >>>>> >>>>> What can I do? >>>>> >>>> What's in /proc/asound/pcm ? >>>> >>> [moa@portable ~]$ cat /proc/asound/pcm >>> 00-02: ALC880 Digital : ALC880 Digital : playback 1 >>> 00-01: ALC880 Analog : ALC880 Analog : capture 2 >>> 00-00: ALC880 Analog : ALC880 Analog : playback 1 : capture 2 >>> 01-00: USB Audio : USB Audio : playback 1 : capture 1 >>> >>> >> That's what's supposed to appear on the popup menu when you press the >> ">" button on the right oto the Interface and Input/Output Device >> fields. Provided you have "alsa" as current selected Driver. >> >> Did you, for any instance, built qjackctl _without_ ALSA support? That >> must be the case. Try rebuilding qjackctl but make sure you have >> alsa-devel installed. >> >> Cheers. > > Qjackctl has been installed with official Mandriva rpm. > So if Mandriva built it without ALSA support it's looks like a > Mandriva's bug? > > Thank's Check whether the MIDI tab on the Connections window is enabled and functional. If not, either it was explicitly built with ./configure --disable-alsa-seq, or the alsa-devel package (probably libalsa-devel in mdk.rpm) was not installed at build time. Certainly, a serious packaging flaw for a generalist distro as Mandriva used to be. Cheers. -- rncbc aka Rui Nuno Capela rncbc@rncbc.org From nickycopeland at hotmail.com Sat Oct 21 13:39:13 2006 From: nickycopeland at hotmail.com (Nick Copeland) Date: Sat Oct 21 13:46:37 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] ANN: bristol 0.9.5-89 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Build 89 has been uploaded to sourceforge. It is likely to be unstable since quite large changes were made to the MIDI interface to support controller tracking in the GUI. The 2600 should now be finalised including the output bussing fixes and voltage manipulators. The sustain pedal should now work, lightly tested. MIDI controllers can be remapped internally, only interface is the text configuration file in $BRISTOL/memory/profiles/, you can edit this at your own risk. Controller changes allow for MIDI surfaces to control the GUI, and hence the engine. Rather spuriously, to be able to modify and play the synth then both the GUI and engine need to be patched into the MIDI devices with whatever connection application you prefer - controller changes are tracked in the GUI and this causes the parameter changes to be sent to the engine. Having this support immensely enhances tweaking the synths. You can map controllers by clicking the middle mouse button in a device and then moving the desired controller. You can select multiple devices to enable ganging of controls and the controller profile should be maintained. The mappings for each algorithm are saved when a patch is saved. They are only loaded on boot, but mappings should not be volatile. Reselecting a device with the same middle mouse button will remove the registration. Pitch and Pan controllers should now be notched in the GUI, and a fine adjust is available with . The rotary shading was altered and a few other fixes were integrated. The transparent patch layer was optimised bya factor of 4 to 5 fold so loading the 2600 memories should be a lot faster. Feedback on the controller mappings would be greatly appreciated, the interface is new and will probably give some problems. When the interface works then program change support will be integrated along with more GM2 functionality. Regards, Nick. _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ From atte.jensen at gmail.com Sat Oct 21 18:46:10 2006 From: atte.jensen at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Atte_Andr=E9_Jensen?=) Date: Sat Oct 21 18:46:22 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] OT [was:flash 9 beta] YouTube on Democracy Player In-Reply-To: <4537D9E7.1000702@gmail.com> References: <20061019154505.GB7333@slinkp.com> <1161275544.15860.201.camel@mindpipe> <4537D9E7.1000702@gmail.com> Message-ID: <453AA332.8050305@gmail.com> Robert Persson wrote: > I tried YouTube once and I was massively unimpressed, both by the > technical problems and by the total lack of anything worth watching. > > I have been much more impressed with Democracy Player -- > http://www.getdemocracy.com. Ok, installed democracy player, works great. However I searched youtube for Charlie Parker, and the clips I found won't play in DP. Is there something I should do, is it a bug or isn't this supposed to work in the first place? -- peace, love & harmony Atte http://www.atte.dk | quintet: http://www.anagrammer.dk | compositions: http://www.atte.dk/compositions From paniq at paniq.org Sat Oct 21 18:48:37 2006 From: paniq at paniq.org (Leonard "paniq" Ritter) Date: Sat Oct 21 18:48:55 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [ANN] Aldrin 0.2 (Blowfly) Message-ID: <1161470917.9803.0.camel@localhost> Aldrin (formerly known as Mute) is an extensible modular sequencer/tracker, designed to be 1:1 compatible to Jeskola Buzz, currently in development stage. It is primarily being developed for the Linux operating system, but also builds and runs on Windows. If you want to help with testing or building packages, or if you just want to hang around, visit #aldrin on irc.freenode.net http://www.leonard-ritter.com/announcement_aldrin_0_2_blowfly -- -- leonard "paniq" ritter -- http://www.mjoo.org -- http://www.paniq.org From j.silvestre at wanadoo.fr Sat Oct 21 20:44:57 2006 From: j.silvestre at wanadoo.fr (joel silvestre) Date: Sat Oct 21 20:45:10 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Qjackctl setup In-Reply-To: <453A1824.3010705@rncbc.org> References: <1161351420.16407.34.camel@zordi> <4539444A.8000409@rncbc.org> <1161384779.16407.37.camel@zordi> <4539F60D.7080706@rncbc.org> <1161429518.16407.44.camel@zordi> <453A1824.3010705@rncbc.org> Message-ID: <1161477897.16407.58.camel@zordi> Le samedi 21 octobre 2006 ? 13:52 +0100, Rui Nuno Capela a ?crit : > joel silvestre wrote: > > Le samedi 21 octobre 2006 ? 11:27 +0100, Rui Nuno Capela a ?crit : > >> joel silvestre wrote: > >>> Le vendredi 20 octobre 2006 ? 22:48 +0100, Rui Nuno Capela a ?crit : > >>>> joel silvestre wrote: > >>>>> Hi, > >>>>> > >>>>> I can't see no more detailled information about Interface Input Device > >>>>> and Output Device in the Setting window. > >>>>> The "> " button to select PCM , input and output devices show only > >>>>> (default). > >>>>> > >>>>> aplay -l and arecord -l gives : > >>>>> > >>>>> [moa@portable ~]$ aplay -l > >>>>> **** List of PLAYBACK Hardware Devices **** > >>>>> card 0: Intel [HDA Intel], device 0: ALC880 Analog [ALC880 Analog] > >>>>> Subdevices: 1/1 > >>>>> Subdevice #0: subdevice #0 > >>>>> card 0: Intel [HDA Intel], device 2: ALC880 Digital [ALC880 Digital] > >>>>> Subdevices: 1/1 > >>>>> Subdevice #0: subdevice #0 > >>>>> card 1: default [USB Audio CODEC ], device 0: USB Audio [USB Audio] > >>>>> Subdevices: 1/1 > >>>>> Subdevice #0: subdevice #0 > >>>>> [moa@portable ~]$ arecord -l > >>>>> **** List of CAPTURE Hardware Devices **** > >>>>> card 0: Intel [HDA Intel], device 0: ALC880 Analog [ALC880 Analog] > >>>>> Subdevices: 2/2 > >>>>> Subdevice #0: subdevice #0 > >>>>> Subdevice #1: subdevice #1 > >>>>> card 0: Intel [HDA Intel], device 1: ALC880 Analog [ALC880 Analog] > >>>>> Subdevices: 2/2 > >>>>> Subdevice #0: subdevice #0 > >>>>> Subdevice #1: subdevice #1 > >>>>> card 1: default [USB Audio CODEC ], device 0: USB Audio [USB Audio] > >>>>> Subdevices: 1/1 > >>>>> Subdevice #0: subdevice #0 > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> This happen with Qjackctl 0.2.20.10 and Mandriva 2007. I try on two > >>>>> different laptop and it's the same. > >>>>> > >>>>> What can I do? > >>>>> > >>>> What's in /proc/asound/pcm ? > >>>> > >>> [moa@portable ~]$ cat /proc/asound/pcm > >>> 00-02: ALC880 Digital : ALC880 Digital : playback 1 > >>> 00-01: ALC880 Analog : ALC880 Analog : capture 2 > >>> 00-00: ALC880 Analog : ALC880 Analog : playback 1 : capture 2 > >>> 01-00: USB Audio : USB Audio : playback 1 : capture 1 > >>> > >>> > >> That's what's supposed to appear on the popup menu when you press the > >> ">" button on the right oto the Interface and Input/Output Device > >> fields. Provided you have "alsa" as current selected Driver. > >> > >> Did you, for any instance, built qjackctl _without_ ALSA support? That > >> must be the case. Try rebuilding qjackctl but make sure you have > >> alsa-devel installed. > >> > >> Cheers. > > > > Qjackctl has been installed with official Mandriva rpm. > > So if Mandriva built it without ALSA support it's looks like a > > Mandriva's bug? > > > > Thank's > > Check whether the MIDI tab on the Connections window is enabled and > functional. If not, either it was explicitly built with ./configure > --disable-alsa-seq, or the alsa-devel package (probably libalsa-devel in > mdk.rpm) was not installed at build time. Certainly, a serious packaging > flaw for a generalist distro as Mandriva used to be. > > Cheers. The MIDI tab was disable so I rebuild the rpm from Mandriva srpm and now everything is working fine! I have open a thread in a Mandriva forum about this problem. Thank's. From dubphil at free.fr Sun Oct 22 04:28:16 2006 From: dubphil at free.fr (Dubphil) Date: Sun Oct 22 04:29:10 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Smack and Seq24 In-Reply-To: <1161395127.24563.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <3429.80.124.137.204.1161337534.squirrel@webmail.migratis.net> <4538A9E2.3040000@linuxuse.de> <4722.80.124.137.204.1161348396.squirrel@webmail.migratis.net> <200610210214.39965.mista.tapas@gmx.net> <1161395127.24563.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <453B2BA0.5040205@free.fr> Dave Robillard a ?crit : > jack_client_open vs the old jack_client_new, which will automatically > pick a new name by appending a number (eg specimen_1 specimen_2, etc). > > It's a trivial one line thing... > Here is the patch ;) but unfortunately, running multiple instances is not the solution for me; it is not manageable to have each element of the drums in a seperate sequence window in seq24 :( Best regards Philippe -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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However, I might need some help with correctional reading once it's > done. ;) I'd be glad to help with that. -- cheers, tim hall http://glastonburymusic.org.uk/tim We are the people We've been waiting for. From s0473056 at sbox.tugraz.at Sun Oct 22 11:11:43 2006 From: s0473056 at sbox.tugraz.at (Anna Saranti) Date: Sun Oct 22 11:12:17 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Click and Pop Reduction Message-ID: <20061022171143.chdz93k084c0gsc0@webmail.tugraz.at> Dear List, I would like to find a program that makes click and pop reduction. I've already searched the mailing list archives, and I haven't found anything good. Does somebody have any hints what I could use? Thanks for the help! Anna From eviltwin69 at cableone.net Sun Oct 22 10:58:52 2006 From: eviltwin69 at cableone.net (Jan Depner) Date: Sun Oct 22 11:15:30 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Click and Pop Reduction In-Reply-To: <20061022171143.chdz93k084c0gsc0@webmail.tugraz.at> References: <20061022171143.chdz93k084c0gsc0@webmail.tugraz.at> Message-ID: <1161529132.9023.0.camel@eviltwin> Gnome Wave Cleaner (GWC) On Sun, 2006-10-22 at 17:11 +0200, Anna Saranti wrote: > Dear List, > > I would like to find a program that makes click and pop reduction. > I've already searched the mailing list archives, and I haven't found > anything good. > > Does somebody have any hints what I could use? > > Thanks for the help! > Anna > > -- Jan 'Evil Twin' Depner http://myweb.cableone.net/eviltwin69 "Life should NOT be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in an attractive and well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, chardonnay in one hand, chocolate in the other, body thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and screaming 'WOO HOO, what a ride'" From georg.holzmann at student.kug.ac.at Sun Oct 22 11:59:26 2006 From: georg.holzmann at student.kug.ac.at (Georg Holzmann) Date: Sun Oct 22 11:58:46 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Click and Pop Reduction In-Reply-To: <1161529132.9023.0.camel@eviltwin> References: <20061022171143.chdz93k084c0gsc0@webmail.tugraz.at> <1161529132.9023.0.camel@eviltwin> Message-ID: <453B955E.9090102@student.kug.ac.at> Hallo! > Gnome Wave Cleaner (GWC) Also Audacity has a build-in Click+Pop Reduction, but I don't know how good it is compared to gwc ... LG Georg From zettberlin at linuxuse.de Sun Oct 22 14:03:49 2006 From: zettberlin at linuxuse.de (Hartmut Noack) Date: Sun Oct 22 14:04:00 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Smack and Seq24 In-Reply-To: <453B332D.7060102@free.fr> References: <3429.80.124.137.204.1161337534.squirrel@webmail.migratis.net> <4538A9E2.3040000@linuxuse.de> <4722.80.124.137.204.1161348396.squirrel@webmail.migratis.net> <200610210214.39965.mista.tapas@gmx.net> <1161395127.24563.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> <453B2BA0.5040205@free.fr> <1161506274.11635.0.camel@c213-100-20-9.swipnet.se> <453B332D.7060102@free.fr> Message-ID: <453BB285.80709@linuxuse.de> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Dubphil schrieb: > Lars Luthman a ?crit : >> Can't you connect the same seq24 pattern to multiple Specimens ? >> > I didn't find how If seq24 is built/configured to connect Midi via qjackctl-ports, those ports can be handeled as known from other qjackctl-ports and thus, a single seq24port can be connected to several other ports available in the midi-panel of qjackctl... -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.3 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFFO7KF1Aecwva1SWMRAp8lAJ0YUvAlsPHWO6C32NvL9l6cZSdnFACdFXEE ScSiHUG2fmNy5ll2zRyta8g= =SnLq -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From drobilla at connect.carleton.ca Sun Oct 22 16:43:59 2006 From: drobilla at connect.carleton.ca (Dave Robillard) Date: Sun Oct 22 16:44:30 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Smack and Seq24 In-Reply-To: <453B2BA0.5040205@free.fr> References: <3429.80.124.137.204.1161337534.squirrel@webmail.migratis.net> <4538A9E2.3040000@linuxuse.de> <4722.80.124.137.204.1161348396.squirrel@webmail.migratis.net> <200610210214.39965.mista.tapas@gmx.net> <1161395127.24563.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> <453B2BA0.5040205@free.fr> Message-ID: <1161549839.26256.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Sun, 2006-10-22 at 10:28 +0200, Dubphil wrote: > Dave Robillard a ?crit : > > jack_client_open vs the old jack_client_new, which will automatically > > pick a new name by appending a number (eg specimen_1 specimen_2, etc). > > > > It's a trivial one line thing... > > > Here is the patch ;) That'll do it. Send it to the seq24 list, I don't think Rob reads LAU. -DR- From drobilla at connect.carleton.ca Sun Oct 22 16:45:38 2006 From: drobilla at connect.carleton.ca (Dave Robillard) Date: Sun Oct 22 16:46:39 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Smack and Seq24 In-Reply-To: <453B332D.7060102@free.fr> References: <3429.80.124.137.204.1161337534.squirrel@webmail.migratis.net> <4538A9E2.3040000@linuxuse.de> <4722.80.124.137.204.1161348396.squirrel@webmail.migratis.net> <200610210214.39965.mista.tapas@gmx.net> <1161395127.24563.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> <453B2BA0.5040205@free.fr> <1161506274.11635.0.camel@c213-100-20-9.swipnet.se> <453B332D.7060102@free.fr> Message-ID: <1161549938.26256.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Sun, 2006-10-22 at 11:00 +0200, Dubphil wrote: > Lars Luthman a ?crit : > > Can't you connect the same seq24 pattern to multiple Specimens ? > > > I didn't find how, because the way we connect the midi pattern to > another application is done with a drop down menu. Late enough versions of seq24 just register normal alsa sequencer ports for each sequence, so you can connect them in whatever configuration you need with your patch bay. Both seq24 and specimen have good LASH support as well, so you can save the whole thing as one if it's complicated. -DR- From mista.tapas at gmx.net Sun Oct 22 17:12:33 2006 From: mista.tapas at gmx.net (Florian Schmidt) Date: Sun Oct 22 17:12:27 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Smack and Seq24 In-Reply-To: <1161549839.26256.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <3429.80.124.137.204.1161337534.squirrel@webmail.migratis.net> <453B2BA0.5040205@free.fr> <1161549839.26256.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <200610222312.33438.mista.tapas@gmx.net> On Sunday 22 October 2006 22:43, Dave Robillard wrote: > On Sun, 2006-10-22 at 10:28 +0200, Dubphil wrote: > > Dave Robillard a ?crit : > > > jack_client_open vs the old jack_client_new, which will automatically > > > pick a new name by appending a number (eg specimen_1 specimen_2, etc). > > > > > > It's a trivial one line thing... > > > > Here is the patch ;) > > That'll do it. Send it to the seq24 list, I don't think Rob reads LAU. Erm, who was the specimen maintainer again? ;) Flo -- Palimm Palimm! http://tapas.affenbande.org From drobilla at connect.carleton.ca Sun Oct 22 19:36:29 2006 From: drobilla at connect.carleton.ca (Dave Robillard) Date: Sun Oct 22 19:36:37 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Smack and Seq24 In-Reply-To: <200610222312.33438.mista.tapas@gmx.net> References: <3429.80.124.137.204.1161337534.squirrel@webmail.migratis.net> <453B2BA0.5040205@free.fr> <1161549839.26256.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> <200610222312.33438.mista.tapas@gmx.net> Message-ID: <1161560189.27314.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Sun, 2006-10-22 at 23:12 +0200, Florian Schmidt wrote: > On Sunday 22 October 2006 22:43, Dave Robillard wrote: > > On Sun, 2006-10-22 at 10:28 +0200, Dubphil wrote: > > > Dave Robillard a ?crit : > > > > jack_client_open vs the old jack_client_new, which will automatically > > > > pick a new name by appending a number (eg specimen_1 specimen_2, etc). > > > > > > > > It's a trivial one line thing... > > > > > > Here is the patch ;) > > > > That'll do it. Send it to the seq24 list, I don't think Rob reads LAU. > > Erm, who was the specimen maintainer again? ;) Right right, Specimen. Hey, it says seq24 right in the topic, cut a guy some slack :) New specimen maintainer is Eric Dantan Rzewnicki (aka edrz) -DR- From b0ef at esben-stien.name Mon Oct 23 18:09:37 2006 From: b0ef at esben-stien.name (Esben Stien) Date: Mon Oct 23 16:23:10 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] jack_mixer - frist release In-Reply-To: <87y7rbqsbo.fsf@arnaudov.name> (Nedko Arnaudov's message of "Fri, 20 Oct 2006 11:55:55 +0300") References: <87y7rbqsbo.fsf@arnaudov.name> Message-ID: <87bqo24rby.fsf@esben-stien.name> Nedko Arnaudov writes: > GTK (2.x) JACK audio mixer It would be nice if the core was separated from the UI, eg. just fire up a mixer GUI and connect to a running mixing daemon. OSC support would also be great;). -- Esben Stien is b0ef@e s a http://www. s t n m irc://irc. b - i . e/%23contact sip:b0ef@ e e jid:b0ef@ n n From nedko at arnaudov.name Tue Oct 24 04:09:49 2006 From: nedko at arnaudov.name (Nedko Arnaudov) Date: Tue Oct 24 04:10:00 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] jack_mixer - frist release In-Reply-To: <87bqo24rby.fsf@esben-stien.name> (Esben Stien's message of "Tue, 24 Oct 2006 00:09:37 +0200") References: <87y7rbqsbo.fsf@arnaudov.name> <87bqo24rby.fsf@esben-stien.name> Message-ID: <87hcxugmnm.fsf@arnaudov.name> Esben Stien writes: > Nedko Arnaudov writes: > >> GTK (2.x) JACK audio mixer > > It would be nice if the core was separated from the UI, eg. just fire > up a mixer GUI and connect to a running mixing daemon. OSC support > would also be great;). Well... mixer engine *is* separated from the UI. It is not separate process however. I think you are interested on this planed improvement: https://gna.org/task/?3977 -- Nedko Arnaudov -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 188 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://music.columbia.edu/pipermail/linux-audio-user/attachments/20061024/b2d71920/attachment.bin From b0ef at esben-stien.name Tue Oct 24 06:51:15 2006 From: b0ef at esben-stien.name (Esben Stien) Date: Tue Oct 24 05:04:47 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] jack_mixer - frist release In-Reply-To: <87hcxugmnm.fsf@arnaudov.name> (Nedko Arnaudov's message of "Tue, 24 Oct 2006 11:09:49 +0300") References: <87y7rbqsbo.fsf@arnaudov.name> <87bqo24rby.fsf@esben-stien.name> <87hcxugmnm.fsf@arnaudov.name> Message-ID: <87y7r62di4.fsf@esben-stien.name> Nedko Arnaudov writes: > planed improvement ;) -- Esben Stien is b0ef@e s a http://www. s t n m irc://irc. b - i . e/%23contact sip:b0ef@ e e jid:b0ef@ n n From dlphillips at woh.rr.com Tue Oct 24 06:50:54 2006 From: dlphillips at woh.rr.com (Dave Phillips) Date: Tue Oct 24 06:23:37 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [ANN] Simple Sysexxer 0.1.1 In-Reply-To: <200610180107.44232.ce@christeck.de> References: <200610180107.44232.ce@christeck.de> Message-ID: <453DF00E.9050504@woh.rr.com> Greetings: Last night I was playing around with Native Instruments' FM7, running it under WINE with Robert Reif's ASIO driver. I noticed that it will accept raw sysex banks, so I decided to build Simple Sysexxer to see if I could get my custom banks from my TX802. No problem, I transferred the bank sysex to SS. I then tried to import the bank into FM7. Again, no problems. How nice, I can now use and edit my old favorite patches in FM7. Alas, FM7 seems to accept only the data utilized by the original DX7, i.e. it skips the performance data unique to the DX7II/TX802. Still, most of my patches were identifiable, and I think I can get almost identical sounds with a little parameter tweaking. Christoph, thanks for the useful tool. It built without troubles and performed as advertised. :) Best, dp From hcengar at gmail.com Tue Oct 24 10:36:32 2006 From: hcengar at gmail.com (Hector Centeno) Date: Tue Oct 24 10:36:39 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] jack_mixer - frist release In-Reply-To: <87y7r62di4.fsf@esben-stien.name> References: <87y7rbqsbo.fsf@arnaudov.name> <87bqo24rby.fsf@esben-stien.name> <87hcxugmnm.fsf@arnaudov.name> <87y7r62di4.fsf@esben-stien.name> Message-ID: <695e1a650610240736k4d57192bq6828dc4b08fcfae6@mail.gmail.com> Nice software! Thank you! I built it but at installation I get this error message: $ sudo make install mkdir -p /usr/share/jack_mixer/ cp _jack_mixer_c.so jack_mixer_c.py abspeak.py channel.py gui.py jack_mixer.py meter.py scale.py serialization.py serialization_xml.py slider.py jack_mixer.glade /usr/share/jack_mixer/ ln -nfs /usr/share/jack_mixer/jack_mixer.py /usr/bin/jack_mixer cp jack_mixer.schemas /etc/gconf/schemas GCONF_CONFIG_SOURCE=`gconftool-2 --get-default-source` gconftool-2 --makefile-install-rule /etc/gconf/schemas/jack_mixer.schemas Resolved address "xml:merged:/etc/gconf/gconf.xml.defaults" to a writable configuration source at position 0 I/O warning : failed to load external entity "/etc/gconf/schemas/jack_mixer.schemas" Failed to open `/etc/gconf/schemas/jack_mixer.schemas': Not a directory make: *** [install] Error 1 But I can run it and seems to be working. Do you have any idea why am I getting this error? I'm using Ubuntu Edgy. Cheers! Hector On 10/24/06, Esben Stien wrote: > Nedko Arnaudov writes: > > > planed improvement > > ;) > > -- > Esben Stien is b0ef@e s a > http://www. s t n m > irc://irc. b - i . e/%23contact > sip:b0ef@ e e > jid:b0ef@ n n > From ce at christeck.de Tue Oct 24 11:57:19 2006 From: ce at christeck.de (Christoph Eckert) Date: Tue Oct 24 11:56:46 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [ANN] Simple Sysexxer 0.1.1 In-Reply-To: <453DF00E.9050504@woh.rr.com> References: <200610180107.44232.ce@christeck.de> <453DF00E.9050504@woh.rr.com> Message-ID: <200610241757.19725.ce@christeck.de> Hi Dave, > Christoph, thanks for the useful tool. It built without troubles and > performed as advertised. :) seems my advertising is buggy then ;-) . Anyway, thanks for testing and the success story. On which Distro/Qt-Version did you run it? Thanks & best regards, ce From dlphillips at woh.rr.com Tue Oct 24 13:20:45 2006 From: dlphillips at woh.rr.com (Dave Phillips) Date: Tue Oct 24 12:53:24 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [ANN] Simple Sysexxer 0.1.1 In-Reply-To: <200610241757.19725.ce@christeck.de> References: <200610180107.44232.ce@christeck.de> <453DF00E.9050504@woh.rr.com> <200610241757.19725.ce@christeck.de> Message-ID: <453E4B6D.80108@woh.rr.com> Christoph Eckert wrote: >>Christoph, thanks for the useful tool. It built without troubles and >>performed as advertised. :) >> >> > >seems my advertising is buggy then ;-) . Anyway, thanks for testing and >the success story. On which Distro/Qt-Version did you run it? > > Demudi, Debian Etch, Qt4 (most recent for Debian). dp From dlphillips at woh.rr.com Tue Oct 24 14:11:14 2006 From: dlphillips at woh.rr.com (Dave Phillips) Date: Tue Oct 24 13:44:54 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Promenade (old music, new bottle) Message-ID: <453E5742.7010406@woh.rr.com> Greetings: I took a tip from Lars Luthman and posted this piece to the Internet Archive : http://www.archive.org/details/PromenadeForEPiano It's a very old piece, another one written for my TX802 E Piano, and here realized via ZynAddSubFX. Simple music, but I hope you enjoy it. Best, dp From t_w_ at freenet.de Tue Oct 24 14:41:47 2006 From: t_w_ at freenet.de (Thorsten Wilms) Date: Tue Oct 24 14:41:58 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Promenade (old music, new bottle) In-Reply-To: <453E5742.7010406@woh.rr.com> References: <453E5742.7010406@woh.rr.com> Message-ID: <20061024184147.GB5467@charly.SWORD> On Tue, Oct 24, 2006 at 02:11:14PM -0400, Dave Phillips wrote: > http://www.archive.org/details/PromenadeForEPiano Just like I wrote on the archive, it's a joyful little tune, making me think of a walk in the park. Or jogging with some pauses ... actualy I wondered if the piece is about to stop now 3 or 4 times :) Nice play with tempo. Thanks for sharing. -- Thorsten Wilms From john at johnlyon.tzo.com Tue Oct 24 14:53:34 2006 From: john at johnlyon.tzo.com (John Lyon) Date: Tue Oct 24 14:54:10 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Promenade (old music, new bottle) In-Reply-To: <453E5742.7010406@woh.rr.com> References: <453E5742.7010406@woh.rr.com> Message-ID: <3453.192.168.0.13.1161716014.squirrel@johnlyon.tzo.com> Greetings, Dave, from North Vancouver, Canada! I have owned your book since it came out, and have followed this list over the past few years. I enjoyed the tune, and have enjoyed listening to your tunes on your web site. Keep it up! Regards, John Lyon > Greetings: > > I took a tip from Lars Luthman and posted this piece to the Internet > Archive : > > http://www.archive.org/details/PromenadeForEPiano > > It's a very old piece, another one written for my TX802 E Piano, and > here realized via ZynAddSubFX. > > Simple music, but I hope you enjoy it. > > Best, > > dp > From capocasa at gmx.net Tue Oct 24 16:52:08 2006 From: capocasa at gmx.net (Carlo Capocasa) Date: Tue Oct 24 16:55:34 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Does anybody actually perform with ZynAddSubFX? Message-ID: Hi, I've been trying to set up ZynAddSubFX to perform professionally and while in theory all is a bed of roses I just can't get the darn thing to be at least REASONABLY stable enough so I would actually even allow myself to THINK about going near a stage. No way with this pile of junk. Don't get me wrong it sounds great, but under real time circumstances the thing just breaks down. I just can't count the amount of time I spend re-opening patches. So frustration expression past, has anybody done what I want to do, being using Zyn under real time circumstances? And actual real LIFE circumstances? Thanks for your input. Tech specs: 2GHz Pentium 4, Roland Edirol FA-101 on Freebob 1.0, Dynebolic 2.1. 24/96. Had similar issues with the Internal sound card. Carlo From _ at whats-your.name Tue Oct 24 17:08:54 2006 From: _ at whats-your.name (carmen) Date: Tue Oct 24 17:11:11 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Does anybody actually perform with ZynAddSubFX? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20061024210854.GB18263@replic.net> On Tue Oct 24, 2006 at 08:52:08PM +0000, Carlo Capocasa wrote: > Hi, > > I've been trying to set up ZynAddSubFX to perform professionally and while in theory all is a bed of roses I just can't get the darn thing to be at least REASONABLY > stable enough so I would actually even allow myself to THINK about going near a stage. No way with this pile of junk. > > Don't get me wrong it sounds great, but under real time circumstances the thing just breaks down. I just can't count the amount of time I spend re-opening patches. > > So frustration expression past, has anybody done what I want to do, being using Zyn under real time circumstances? And actual real LIFE circumstances? no but i use the organ patches at church, and it never crashes then... From capocasa at gmx.net Tue Oct 24 16:56:57 2006 From: capocasa at gmx.net (Carlo Capocasa) Date: Tue Oct 24 17:12:18 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: [ANN] FreeBoB 1.0 released - Firewire Audio for Linux In-Reply-To: <45363352.5050705@joow.be> References: <45363352.5050705@joow.be> Message-ID: Congratulations, Pieter. I had an opportunity to test it and it has far surpassed my expectations. Meaning, it compiles, and it works! Kudos! Carlo Pieter Palmers wrote: > Greetings, > > Now that JACK 0.102.20 and QJackCtl 0.2.21 being released, the FreeBoB > team is proud to present libfreebob 1.0. The FreeBoB project aims to > provide a generic solution for using Firewire (semi-)pro-audio devices > in Linux. > > This release provides support for the devices based on the BridgeCo > DM1000 or DM1500 chipset that are running the BeBoB firmware. For a list > of supported devices, consult our website at freebob.sf.net. > > FreeBoB currently provides an interface library that allows firewire > audio devices to be used with the JACK audio server, using a dedicated > backend. This backend is included in the official JACK releases, from > this version on (i.e. 0.102.20). The latest version of QJackCtl also > includes support for this FreeBoB backend. MIDI support is provided > through ALSA sequencer. > > Feature list: > * Automatic detection & configuration of devices. If there are multiple > devices attached to the same firewire bus, freebob merges them into one > big device. The devices have to be synced externally (wordclock/spdif) > so that they don't drift. Note that this release cannot setup the boxes > to be synced yet, being synced is a precondition at the moment. (I > tested this with 2 phase88's connected with wordclock, and this works > without the need for any special setting because the Phase88 > automatically chooses wordclock slave when there is a wordclock signal > present. This can be different for other models). > * Audio I/O on all analog channels at all sample rates supported by the > device. SPDIF/ADAT I/O works in most cases (when presented as analog IO > by the device). AC3 passthrough doesn't work. > * Midi I/O for all midi ports the device implements, using alsa-sequencer > * Round-trip latency figures around 5ms (depends on system > configuration). 10ms is achievable on all well-configured machines > > Not supported yet: > * Hardware mixing ("zero latency" mixer) > * Device-specific configuration (input gain switches, sync source > selection, midi control mappings, ...) > * ALSA for audio IO > * Special SPDIF/ADAT stream support > > You can download FreeBoB 1.0 at our sourceforge page: > http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=117802 > more info at freebob.sf.net > > What's next? > > We are working on the second generation of the FreeBoB codebase. The 1.0 > release is the endpoint for the codebase that dates back to the start of > the project. The 2.0 codebase is a complete redesign of the system using > 1.0 as a 'golden spec'. While the 1.0 version is BeBoB-only, the 2.0 > codebase is designed as a framework to support all firewire based audio > boxes. The current level of functionality is almost the same for both > codebases. The main difference is that 1.0 had one year of testing and > 2.0 doesn't, it's still in the alpha stage. Needless to say that 2.0 > will outperform 1.0 by far ;). > > Of course this redesign isn't for the sake of aesthetic beauty or lack > of things to do... I can announce that we are already working on > broadening the supported device list. Currently there is support for the > Motu Traveller and the Motu 828 (through reverse engineering). There are > also contacts with the DICE-II developers to implement generic support > for devices based upon their chipset. As an extra, support for Metric > Halo devices is also in the pipeline. Once all of these devices are > supported, we will cover a very large part of the Firewire audio device > spectrum. The most important void will be RME Fireface support, and for > the real budget users: Behringer and Hercules devices. > > That's all folks! > > Pieter Palmers > (on behalf of the FreeBoB team) > > From folderol at ukfsn.org Tue Oct 24 17:21:30 2006 From: folderol at ukfsn.org (Folderol) Date: Tue Oct 24 17:19:14 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Does anybody actually perform with ZynAddSubFX? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20061024222130.5eb6838d@localhost> On Tue, 24 Oct 2006 20:52:08 +0000 Carlo Capocasa wrote: > Hi, > > I've been trying to set up ZynAddSubFX to perform professionally and > while in theory all is a bed of roses I just can't get the darn thing to > be at least REASONABLY stable enough so I would actually even allow > myself to THINK about going near a stage. No way with this pile of junk. > I've not had much by way of stability problems I could positively lay at Zyn's door. > Don't get me wrong it sounds great, but under real time circumstances > the thing just breaks down. I just can't count the amount of time I > spend re-opening patches. Zyn doesn't seem to like repeated re-loads of patches/instrunents or parameters. My workaround is set up a complete parameter file per song, then launch Zyn by running the file (need option -l). I then kill Zyn when I have finished with that parameter setup (wash, rinse, repeat). Zyn seems to take up more processor time for every instrument loaded (up to the maximum of 16) so I make sure that saved parameter files only contain the ones I want. > So frustration expression past, has anybody done what I want to do, > being using Zyn under real time circumstances? And actual real LIFE > circumstances? I don't do any live work as such, but have made a chain of recordings one after the other without a single problem, and on an elderly Mdk 10.1 install. I work almost exclusively from Rosegarden. > > Thanks for your input. > > Tech specs: 2GHz Pentium 4, Roland Edirol FA-101 on Freebob 1.0, > Dynebolic 2.1. 24/96. Had similar issues with the Internal sound card. > > Carlo > > -- Will J G From atte.jensen at gmail.com Tue Oct 24 17:25:34 2006 From: atte.jensen at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Atte_Andr=E9_Jensen?=) Date: Tue Oct 24 17:25:44 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Does anybody actually perform with ZynAddSubFX? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <453E84CE.60908@gmail.com> Carlo Capocasa wrote: > So frustration expression past, has anybody done what I want to do, > being using Zyn under real time circumstances? And actual real LIFE > circumstances? I had no stability problems with zynaddsubfx. I didn't perform live with zyn (my current setups is entirely csound based, it's very stable, and I've performed even quite large gigs with it), but I work actively towards doing so. I'll have a real life report for you in a couple of months, I'll make sure to post my experiences here. You are also welcome to mail me at any time to hear my findings any time in the process... -- peace, love & harmony Atte http://www.atte.dk | quintet: http://www.anagrammer.dk | compositions: http://www.atte.dk/compositions From folderol at ukfsn.org Tue Oct 24 17:55:07 2006 From: folderol at ukfsn.org (Folderol) Date: Tue Oct 24 17:52:51 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Promenade (old music, new bottle) In-Reply-To: <453E5742.7010406@woh.rr.com> References: <453E5742.7010406@woh.rr.com> Message-ID: <20061024225507.0bf00cb3@localhost> On Tue, 24 Oct 2006 14:11:14 -0400 Dave Phillips wrote: > Greetings: > > I took a tip from Lars Luthman and posted this piece to the Internet > Archive : > > http://www.archive.org/details/PromenadeForEPiano > > It's a very old piece, another one written for my TX802 E Piano, and > here realized via ZynAddSubFX. > > Simple music, but I hope you enjoy it. > > Best, > > dp Thanks. A very pretty (and playful) tune. -- Will J G From mista.tapas at gmx.net Tue Oct 24 18:07:05 2006 From: mista.tapas at gmx.net (Florian Schmidt) Date: Tue Oct 24 18:06:54 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Does anybody actually perform with ZynAddSubFX? In-Reply-To: <20061024222130.5eb6838d@localhost> References: <20061024222130.5eb6838d@localhost> Message-ID: <200610250007.05661.mista.tapas@gmx.net> On Tuesday 24 October 2006 23:21, Folderol wrote: > On Tue, 24 Oct 2006 20:52:08 +0000 > > Carlo Capocasa wrote: > > Hi, > > > > I've been trying to set up ZynAddSubFX to perform professionally and > > while in theory all is a bed of roses I just can't get the darn thing to > > be at least REASONABLY stable enough so I would actually even allow > > myself to THINK about going near a stage. No way with this pile of junk. > > I've not had much by way of stability problems I could positively lay > at Zyn's door. > > > Don't get me wrong it sounds great, but under real time circumstances > > the thing just breaks down. I just can't count the amount of time I > > spend re-opening patches. > > Zyn doesn't seem to like repeated re-loads of patches/instrunents or > parameters. My workaround is set up a complete parameter file per song, > then launch Zyn by running the file (need option -l). I then kill Zyn > when I have finished with that parameter setup (wash, rinse, repeat). > > Zyn seems to take up more processor time for every instrument loaded > (up to the maximum of 16) so I make sure that saved parameter files only > contain the ones I want. > > > So frustration expression past, has anybody done what I want to do, > > being using Zyn under real time circumstances? And actual real LIFE > > circumstances? One thing you could try, assuming you use zyn under jack and it gets kicked by it, is to increase the client timeout time with some jackd commandline option. This way, even if you get audio dropouts, there's a greater chance of zynaddsubfx actually "recovering" because it doesn't kicked by jack so quickly. Flo -- Palimm Palimm! http://tapas.affenbande.org From rlrevell at joe-job.com Tue Oct 24 18:21:58 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Tue Oct 24 18:22:19 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Does anybody actually perform with ZynAddSubFX? In-Reply-To: <200610250007.05661.mista.tapas@gmx.net> References: <20061024222130.5eb6838d@localhost> <200610250007.05661.mista.tapas@gmx.net> Message-ID: <1161728519.3982.181.camel@mindpipe> On Wed, 2006-10-25 at 00:07 +0200, Florian Schmidt wrote: > One thing you could try, assuming you use zyn under jack and it gets > kicked by it, is to increase the client timeout time with some jackd > commandline option. This way, even if you get audio dropouts, there's > a greater chance of zynaddsubfx actually "recovering" because it > doesn't kicked by jack so quickly. But this will never happen if JACK is in soft mode which it should be for live performance... Lee From rlrevell at joe-job.com Tue Oct 24 18:23:55 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Tue Oct 24 18:24:18 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Does anybody actually perform with ZynAddSubFX? In-Reply-To: <1161728519.3982.181.camel@mindpipe> References: <20061024222130.5eb6838d@localhost> <200610250007.05661.mista.tapas@gmx.net> <1161728519.3982.181.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <1161728635.3982.184.camel@mindpipe> On Tue, 2006-10-24 at 18:21 -0400, Lee Revell wrote: > On Wed, 2006-10-25 at 00:07 +0200, Florian Schmidt wrote: > > One thing you could try, assuming you use zyn under jack and it gets > > kicked by it, is to increase the client timeout time with some jackd > > commandline option. This way, even if you get audio dropouts, there's > > a greater chance of zynaddsubfx actually "recovering" because it > > doesn't kicked by jack so quickly. > > But this will never happen if JACK is in soft mode which it should be > for live performance... Sorry, I've confused the client timeout with soft mode. Lee From dubphil at free.fr Tue Oct 24 19:15:25 2006 From: dubphil at free.fr (Dubphil) Date: Tue Oct 24 19:15:43 2006 Subject: sequencing Specimen with seq24 (was Re: [linux-audio-user] Smack and Seq24) In-Reply-To: <1161549938.26256.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <3429.80.124.137.204.1161337534.squirrel@webmail.migratis.net> <4538A9E2.3040000@linuxuse.de> <4722.80.124.137.204.1161348396.squirrel@webmail.migratis.net> <200610210214.39965.mista.tapas@gmx.net> <1161395127.24563.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> <453B2BA0.5040205@free.fr> <1161506274.11635.0.camel@c213-100-20-9.swipnet.se> <453B332D.7060102@free.fr> <1161549938.26256.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <50096.192.168.0.2.1161731725.squirrel@webmail.migratis.net> > Late enough versions of seq24 just register normal alsa sequencer ports > for each sequence, so you can connect them in whatever configuration you > need with your patch bay. ok I've found how to connect one seq24 sequence to 4 specimen instances. Now I was pretty sure that it was bossible to map the midi keyboard with specimen, like having the bassdrum patch going to the C1 key only, for example. But in fact I can't remind how to do this. for the moment all the patchs of the four instances of specimen are playing from the same key C4. wierd... > Both seq24 and specimen have good LASH support as well, so you can save > the whole thing as one if it's complicated. I use the qjacktl patchbay, it is a wonderful tool, but there is something odd with it; it cannot distinguish the midi input of several instances of both specimen and zynaddsubfx. any help would be very kind. Regards Philippe From rj at spamatica.se Wed Oct 25 02:24:14 2006 From: rj at spamatica.se (Robert Jonsson) Date: Wed Oct 25 02:21:27 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Does anybody actually perform with ZynAddSubFX? In-Reply-To: <1161728635.3982.184.camel@mindpipe> References: <1161728519.3982.181.camel@mindpipe> <1161728635.3982.184.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <200610250824.14492.rj@spamatica.se> On Wednesday 25 October 2006 00:23, Lee Revell wrote: > On Tue, 2006-10-24 at 18:21 -0400, Lee Revell wrote: > > On Wed, 2006-10-25 at 00:07 +0200, Florian Schmidt wrote: > > > One thing you could try, assuming you use zyn under jack and it gets > > > kicked by it, is to increase the client timeout time with some jackd > > > commandline option. This way, even if you get audio dropouts, there's > > > a greater chance of zynaddsubfx actually "recovering" because it > > > doesn't kicked by jack so quickly. > > > > But this will never happen if JACK is in soft mode which it should be > > for live performance... > > Sorry, I've confused the client timeout with soft mode. Isn't softmode also a good thing to enable? Reading the man page (old man page I think) suggests it ignores xruns from alsa. I would start jack with: -R -s -t 4000 /Robert > > Lee -- http://spamatica.se/musicsite/ From drucer99 at yahoo.com Wed Oct 25 02:55:38 2006 From: drucer99 at yahoo.com (Drucer Ninetynine) Date: Wed Oct 25 02:55:50 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Does anybody actually perform with ZynAddSubFX? In-Reply-To: <20061024210854.GB18263@replic.net> Message-ID: <20061025065538.73660.qmail@web52209.mail.yahoo.com> --- carmen <_@whats-your.name> wrote: > On Tue Oct 24, 2006 at 08:52:08PM +0000, Carlo > Capocasa wrote: > > Hi, > > > > I've been trying to set up ZynAddSubFX to perform > professionally and while in theory all is a bed of > roses I just can't get the darn thing to be at least > REASONABLY > > stable enough so I would actually even allow > myself to THINK about going near a stage. No way > with this pile of junk. Sorry to hear about your stability related bad experiences with ZynAddSubFX. I haven't had any problems with it, but I'm not a heavy user yet. Is anybody actually still developing ZynAddSubFX or do we have to get along with the latest release for the rest of the time we use it? It's a shame if nobody is working on it. It's such an awesome sounding synthesizer that it would be a shame if it can't be used for live shows because of the stability problems. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From pinojazz at gmail.com Wed Oct 25 03:43:50 2006 From: pinojazz at gmail.com (Carlos Pino) Date: Wed Oct 25 03:44:03 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Promenade (old music, new bottle) In-Reply-To: <453E5742.7010406@woh.rr.com> References: <453E5742.7010406@woh.rr.com> Message-ID: <453F15B6.5080001@gmail.com> Dave Phillips escribi?: > Greetings: > > I took a tip from Lars Luthman and posted this piece to the Internet > Archive : > > http://www.archive.org/details/PromenadeForEPiano > > It's a very old piece, another one written for my TX802 E Piano, and > here realized via ZynAddSubFX. > > Simple music, but I hope you enjoy it. > > Best, > > dp > > Enjoyed !! nice music . Saludos. -- Carlos . From dubphil at free.fr Wed Oct 25 04:00:19 2006 From: dubphil at free.fr (Dubphil) Date: Wed Oct 25 04:00:22 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Does anybody actually perform with ZynAddSubFX? In-Reply-To: <20061025065538.73660.qmail@web52209.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20061025065538.73660.qmail@web52209.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <453F1993.6000604@free.fr> Drucer Ninetynine a ?crit : > It's a shame if nobody is working on it. It's such an > awesome sounding synthesizer that it would be a shame > if it can't be used for live shows because of the > stability problems. > > I second this ;) about the stability, I use 3 instances of zynaddsubfx along with seq24 in live condition and it is rock solid. I use one for the bass and the rythmic guitar (I never had to change the parameters for these so it's ok). I only get an xrun each time I load a new parameter for the third instance (but as said before, it is a good idea to create 16 instrument in one parameter session and activate or not the one I need, I will go for it). I use a gentoo with the 2.6.16-rt29 kernel (the best one I ever had) and a Terratec PHASE 26 usb soundcard. Regards Philippe From dave at pawfal.org Wed Oct 25 04:06:52 2006 From: dave at pawfal.org (Dave Griffiths) Date: Wed Oct 25 04:07:04 2006 Subject: jack soft mode (was: Re: [linux-audio-user] Does anybody actually perform with ZynAddSubFX?) In-Reply-To: <1161728519.3982.181.camel@mindpipe> References: <20061024222130.5eb6838d@localhost> <200610250007.05661.mista.tapas@gmx.net> <1161728519.3982.181.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <24076.217.18.21.2.1161763612.squirrel@webmail.pawfal.org> > On Wed, 2006-10-25 at 00:07 +0200, Florian Schmidt wrote: >> One thing you could try, assuming you use zyn under jack and it gets >> kicked by it, is to increase the client timeout time with some jackd >> commandline option. This way, even if you get audio dropouts, there's >> a greater chance of zynaddsubfx actually "recovering" because it >> doesn't kicked by jack so quickly. > > But this will never happen if JACK is in soft mode which it should be > for live performance... not related to zyn, but about soft mode, is this true? I run jack in soft mode (for live uses) and it still shuts things down if they are too slow, it just takes a little longer - also if there is an xrun it tends to result in glitchy audio until I restart everything, is this jack or some local issue? cheers, dave From zettberlin at linuxuse.de Wed Oct 25 06:04:31 2006 From: zettberlin at linuxuse.de (Hartmut Noack) Date: Wed Oct 25 06:04:42 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Does anybody actually perform with ZynAddSubFX? In-Reply-To: <20061025065538.73660.qmail@web52209.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20061025065538.73660.qmail@web52209.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <453F36AF.3090102@linuxuse.de> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Drucer Ninetynine schrieb: > --- carmen <_@whats-your.name> wrote: > > Is anybody actually still developing ZynAddSubFX or do > we have to get along with the latest release for the > rest of the time we use it? Nasca O Paul is still developing it, yet at a slower pace. He reads and answers in this forum: http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=47 let us all hope, that Master Paul keeps working on it, he is sometimes somewhat weired but a singular genius too ;-) Really a shame is, that AMS is not actively developed anymore. The latest versions of ams are absolutely first-class quality software at a level often sorely missed with many other projects. And that it still works like a charm in recent systems even adds a lot of admiration for Matthias Nagorni and Fons Andriaensen. By the way: (C) of ams is by Suse/Novell so those should be asked, why the good work is cut... -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.3 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFFPzau1Aecwva1SWMRAkZRAJ4vgQB/UL1qVIaVlRAmeObwUJKQ0gCgjzaI a991OUBYsow9hsYciewMMOA= =mhjo -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From drucer99 at yahoo.com Wed Oct 25 06:42:29 2006 From: drucer99 at yahoo.com (Drucer Ninetynine) Date: Wed Oct 25 06:42:37 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] E17 - our choice of WM in the future? Message-ID: <20061025104229.10208.qmail@web52212.mail.yahoo.com> Hello list! What would you say about the future of Linux audio workstations? What software will we run next year? It has been thrilling to watch how Linux audio software has matured, but I have always felt I'm not completely happy with any of the current X.org Window Managers. Somehow I've built an image that E17 might be what I've been looking for. I don't know why, but it feels like it could be perfect choice for Linux audio workstation. Future will tell if my instincts are right or wrong. Something to think about: - E17 does not make any 'beeps' so it does not have any sound server (like KDE has its Arts sound server). I see this as a very positive thing. This means there will not be any sound server to conflict with Jack. - E17 supports dual / triple displays out of the box. It was designed to be able to use multiple displays easily so I bet it can handle them better than other solutions. - E17 has some of the fastest graphics libraries on this planet and it should be easy to customize. E17 scales very well. You can make it as minimalistic as you want (making it possible to use it on old hardware) or you can have all the eyecandy you could ever imagine. - E17 libraries are world class. You can write a fully functional DVD player with 18 lines of C code. It should be easy for developers to create E17 applications rapidly. Will we see Linux audio software that uses E17's libraries in the future? Hope so. -- E17 has pre-alpha status now, so I don't think we will have to wait very long now until it's finally released. Could we get a nice Christmas present this year? Perhaps. Some links if you don't know what E17 is: http://www.enlightenment.org http://www.get-e.org/ http://www.elivecd.org/gb/Main/Screenshots/ TerraSoft's comments (these guys created YellowDog Linux for PS3 that has E17 as the default WM): "We have worked closely with the energetic, determined E17 team to bring this advanced graphical user interface to a state of interface euphoria. It's not about eye candy and unnecessary special effects, it's about finding balance between a lean, uncluttered desktop and a personal environment that is both familiar and powerful. E17 is simply the most incredible thing I have ever used --with any operating system" __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From noven at sincorp.org Wed Oct 25 07:28:02 2006 From: noven at sincorp.org (Novensiles divi Flamen) Date: Wed Oct 25 07:30:17 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] E17 - our choice of WM in the future? In-Reply-To: <20061025104229.10208.qmail@web52212.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20061025104229.10208.qmail@web52212.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <200610251828.07938.noven@sincorp.org> I must say I am in hopeful agreement. I have been using E16 for *ages* now. My one holdback with using E17 for performing {or anything involving critical work for that matter} is its flakiness. 95% of the time it is stable, but every so often it craps out in one way or another. That may be sufficient for sitting at home browsing the web, but not for live DJ'ing or most things during the work day. That said, I've been in Indonesia for two months and haven't had the bandwidth to check out a newer CVS version of it. In a few weeks time I'll hit Hong Kong and should have access to bandwidth there, and as it is a pure holiday E17 is high on my priority list. I am hoping to be impressed with the improvements. - Noven -- >-- Novensiles divi Flamen --< >---- Miles Militis Fons ----< -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://music.columbia.edu/pipermail/linux-audio-user/attachments/20061025/da1ba713/attachment.bin From uniontek at uniontek.net Wed Oct 25 07:22:34 2006 From: uniontek at uniontek.net (Utek-crew) Date: Wed Oct 25 07:48:50 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] E17 - our choice of WM in the future? In-Reply-To: <200610251828.07938.noven@sincorp.org> References: <20061025104229.10208.qmail@web52212.mail.yahoo.com> <200610251828.07938.noven@sincorp.org> Message-ID: <1161775354.7134.25.camel@notebouc.intratek.home> I use E17 with sucess since month and especially for all my radio "live broadcast" on a gentoo with jack, ices and several realtime tools like jack-rack and meterbridge going from a virtual-desktop to another without a hic. I can just agree!!! Vincent http://radio.full-vibes.com/ From dlphillips at woh.rr.com Wed Oct 25 08:18:17 2006 From: dlphillips at woh.rr.com (Dave Phillips) Date: Wed Oct 25 07:50:55 2006 Subject: [OT] Re: [linux-audio-user] E17 - our choice of WM in the future? In-Reply-To: <200610251828.07938.noven@sincorp.org> References: <20061025104229.10208.qmail@web52212.mail.yahoo.com> <200610251828.07938.noven@sincorp.org> Message-ID: <453F5609.5020407@woh.rr.com> Novensiles divi Flamen wrote: [snip] >-- Novensiles divi Flamen --< >>---- Miles Militis Fons ---- > Possisne in lingua antiqua scribere ? Hic non locus rectus, sed vide http://www.textkit.com. Es tu flamen et miles verus ? Uterque non ego, rusticus scriptor sum et cantator inelegans, sed linguam Latinam amavi ad annos plusquam triginta. Vale, Cantator (Nomen meum ad Textkit). From pcoccoli at gmail.com Wed Oct 25 07:53:27 2006 From: pcoccoli at gmail.com (Paul Coccoli) Date: Wed Oct 25 07:53:37 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] E17 - our choice of WM in the future? In-Reply-To: <20061025104229.10208.qmail@web52212.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20061025104229.10208.qmail@web52212.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <8d27a0610610250453m21f05ebexdab9b1ae6a9660fd@mail.gmail.com> On 10/25/06, Drucer Ninetynine wrote: > E17 has pre-alpha status now, so I don't think we will > have to wait very long now until it's finally > released. Pre-alpha status after 6 years of development. I think they missed whatever opportunity they had to become a popular desktop. From bkhl at elektrubadur.se Wed Oct 25 08:23:23 2006 From: bkhl at elektrubadur.se (=?utf-8?Q?Bj=C3=B6rn_Lindstr=C3=B6m?=) Date: Wed Oct 25 08:24:20 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: E17 - our choice of WM in the future? References: <20061025104229.10208.qmail@web52212.mail.yahoo.com> <8d27a0610610250453m21f05ebexdab9b1ae6a9660fd@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <87bqo0lh38.fsf@killalla.dreaming> "Paul Coccoli" : > Pre-alpha status after 6 years of development. I think they missed > whatever opportunity they had to become a popular desktop. Obviously those guys have weird ideas about what an "alpha" release is. Apparently people are using it as their day-to-day window manager, so clearly it's at least on a beta stage. Of course, that they haven't managed to get a stable release out in six years still is telling us something. From seablaede at gmail.com Wed Oct 25 08:33:09 2006 From: seablaede at gmail.com (Thomas Vecchione) Date: Wed Oct 25 08:26:53 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] E17 - our choice of WM in the future? In-Reply-To: <8d27a0610610250453m21f05ebexdab9b1ae6a9660fd@mail.gmail.com> References: <20061025104229.10208.qmail@web52212.mail.yahoo.com> <8d27a0610610250453m21f05ebexdab9b1ae6a9660fd@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <453F5985.8060808@gmail.com> > > Pre-alpha status after 6 years of development. I think they missed > whatever opportunity they had to become a popular desktop. I would completely disagree with this one. In fact many people I have seen recently trying e17 because it is getting nice reviews, even in its alpha status and several have been impressed. Not to mention they are starting to get looked at by some of the distros out there, Yellow Dog as an example has switched to e17 for their desktop by default in 5.0 when that is released, which will be running native on the PS3/Cell so it should be interesting to see what becomes of that. Personally I have been using e17 for some time now on my workstation and am pretty happy with it. There is a bit of flakiness I believe because of my setup more than anything, a problem with binary drivers and e17's libs(Yea I know I should be using Open Source), but other than that it is great. Even what flakiness does exist is very minor and doesn't get in my way until I run the thing for a couple of days straight;) Just because it takes a while doesn't mean it can't be good when it is released. Lightweight + Good Looking = Nice Desktop for me. Seablade From paniq at paniq.org Wed Oct 25 08:32:12 2006 From: paniq at paniq.org (Leonard "paniq" Ritter) Date: Wed Oct 25 08:32:26 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] E17 - our choice of WM in the future? In-Reply-To: <20061025104229.10208.qmail@web52212.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20061025104229.10208.qmail@web52212.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1161779532.5475.12.camel@localhost> let the flamewar begin! e17 looks ugly! On Wed, 2006-10-25 at 03:42 -0700, Drucer Ninetynine wrote: > Hello list! > > What would you say about the future of Linux audio > workstations? What software will we run next year? > > It has been thrilling to watch how Linux audio > software has matured, but I have always felt I'm not > completely happy with any of the current X.org Window > Managers. > > Somehow I've built an image that E17 might be what > I've been looking for. I don't know why, but it feels > like it could be perfect choice for Linux audio > workstation. Future will tell if my instincts are > right or wrong. > > Something to think about: > > - E17 does not make any 'beeps' so it does not have > any sound server (like KDE has its Arts sound server). > I see this as a very positive thing. This means there > will not be any sound server to conflict with Jack. > > - E17 supports dual / triple displays out of the box. > It was designed to be able to use multiple displays > easily so I bet it can handle them better than other > solutions. > > - E17 has some of the fastest graphics libraries on > this planet and it should be easy to customize. E17 > scales very well. You can make it as minimalistic as > you want (making it possible to use it on old > hardware) or you can have all the eyecandy you could > ever imagine. > > - E17 libraries are world class. You can write a fully > functional DVD player with 18 lines of C code. It > should be easy for developers to create E17 > applications rapidly. Will we see Linux audio software > that uses E17's libraries in the future? Hope so. > > -- > > E17 has pre-alpha status now, so I don't think we will > have to wait very long now until it's finally > released. > > Could we get a nice Christmas present this year? > Perhaps. > > Some links if you don't know what E17 is: > > http://www.enlightenment.org > http://www.get-e.org/ > http://www.elivecd.org/gb/Main/Screenshots/ > > TerraSoft's comments (these guys created YellowDog > Linux for PS3 that has E17 as the default WM): > > "We have worked closely with the energetic, determined > E17 team to bring this advanced graphical user > interface to a state of interface euphoria. It's not > about eye candy and unnecessary special effects, it's > about finding balance between a lean, uncluttered > desktop and a personal environment that is both > familiar and powerful. E17 is simply the most > incredible thing I have ever used --with any operating system" > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com -- -- Leonard Ritter -- http://www.leonard-ritter.com -- http://www.paniq.org From drucer99 at yahoo.com Wed Oct 25 08:42:47 2006 From: drucer99 at yahoo.com (Drucer Ninetynine) Date: Wed Oct 25 08:42:54 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] E17 - our choice of WM in the future? In-Reply-To: <1161779532.5475.12.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <20061025124247.38396.qmail@web52214.mail.yahoo.com> --- "Leonard \"paniq\" Ritter" wrote: > let the flamewar begin! e17 looks ugly! Hehe, there is no need to have a flamewar. Everybody can have their opinion. Hey - it's October! Let's go grab some October beer to rejoice because the autumn is here :) P.S. You can make it look anything you want. Everything is possible. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From rj at spamatica.se Wed Oct 25 08:49:02 2006 From: rj at spamatica.se (Robert Jonsson) Date: Wed Oct 25 08:46:14 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] E17 - our choice of WM in the future? In-Reply-To: <1161779532.5475.12.camel@localhost> References: <20061025104229.10208.qmail@web52212.mail.yahoo.com> <1161779532.5475.12.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <200610251449.02371.rj@spamatica.se> On Wednesday 25 October 2006 14:32, Leonard "paniq" Ritter wrote: > let the flamewar begin! e17 looks ugly! I'm all for flamewars, they help me breathe! Bringem on! Though seriously. sure, the followers are free to advocate E17, it's probably a nice WM, it's no-stable-release-for-aeons status is one major drawback though... Personally I don't think it's possible to have a united view about this. This is also one of the nice things (and bad things) about linux, diversity and choice. As for selecting windows managers in general, it's not really what a audio list is about, is it? Hanging (or preferably fixing) the offenders is probably a good thing though. Regards, Robert > > On Wed, 2006-10-25 at 03:42 -0700, Drucer Ninetynine wrote: > > Hello list! > > > > What would you say about the future of Linux audio > > workstations? What software will we run next year? > > > > It has been thrilling to watch how Linux audio > > software has matured, but I have always felt I'm not > > completely happy with any of the current X.org Window > > Managers. > > > > Somehow I've built an image that E17 might be what > > I've been looking for. I don't know why, but it feels > > like it could be perfect choice for Linux audio > > workstation. Future will tell if my instincts are > > right or wrong. > > > > Something to think about: > > > > - E17 does not make any 'beeps' so it does not have > > any sound server (like KDE has its Arts sound server). > > I see this as a very positive thing. This means there > > will not be any sound server to conflict with Jack. > > > > - E17 supports dual / triple displays out of the box. > > It was designed to be able to use multiple displays > > easily so I bet it can handle them better than other > > solutions. > > > > - E17 has some of the fastest graphics libraries on > > this planet and it should be easy to customize. E17 > > scales very well. You can make it as minimalistic as > > you want (making it possible to use it on old > > hardware) or you can have all the eyecandy you could > > ever imagine. > > > > - E17 libraries are world class. You can write a fully > > functional DVD player with 18 lines of C code. It > > should be easy for developers to create E17 > > applications rapidly. Will we see Linux audio software > > that uses E17's libraries in the future? Hope so. > > > > -- > > > > E17 has pre-alpha status now, so I don't think we will > > have to wait very long now until it's finally > > released. > > > > Could we get a nice Christmas present this year? > > Perhaps. > > > > Some links if you don't know what E17 is: > > > > http://www.enlightenment.org > > http://www.get-e.org/ > > http://www.elivecd.org/gb/Main/Screenshots/ > > > > TerraSoft's comments (these guys created YellowDog > > Linux for PS3 that has E17 as the default WM): > > > > "We have worked closely with the energetic, determined > > E17 team to bring this advanced graphical user > > interface to a state of interface euphoria. It's not > > about eye candy and unnecessary special effects, it's > > about finding balance between a lean, uncluttered > > desktop and a personal environment that is both > > familiar and powerful. E17 is simply the most > > incredible thing I have ever used --with any operating system" > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > > http://mail.yahoo.com -- http://spamatica.se/musicsite/ From timg at expressmart.com Wed Oct 25 09:11:14 2006 From: timg at expressmart.com (Timothy Alan Gorman) Date: Wed Oct 25 09:11:25 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] I killed my jack on ccrma fc5.... In-Reply-To: <695e1a650610240736k4d57192bq6828dc4b08fcfae6@mail.gmail.com> References: <87y7rbqsbo.fsf@arnaudov.name> <87bqo24rby.fsf@esben-stien.name> <87hcxugmnm.fsf@arnaudov.name> <87y7r62di4.fsf@esben-stien.name> <695e1a650610240736k4d57192bq6828dc4b08fcfae6@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <453F6272.3060906@expressmart.com> I destroyed my jack install on my fc5 ccrma box.... it will not start. it asks me to view the "messages" for more info... there is no output other than "could not start"...... any Ideas where to look? timg From dlphillips at woh.rr.com Wed Oct 25 09:50:59 2006 From: dlphillips at woh.rr.com (Dave Phillips) Date: Wed Oct 25 09:23:40 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] More music at the Archive Message-ID: <453F6BC3.9000504@woh.rr.com> Greetings: http://www.archive.org/details/SonatinaForAnImaginaryGuitarist More Gebrauchsmusik for early-21st-century swingers. Best, dp From tech at glastonburymusic.org.uk Wed Oct 25 09:23:23 2006 From: tech at glastonburymusic.org.uk (tim hall) Date: Wed Oct 25 09:24:15 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] E17 - our choice of WM in the future? In-Reply-To: <20061025104229.10208.qmail@web52212.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20061025104229.10208.qmail@web52212.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <200610251423.23828.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> On Wednesday 25 October 2006 11:42, Drucer Ninetynine was like: > It has been thrilling to watch how Linux audio > software has matured, but I have always felt I'm not > completely happy with any of the current X.org Window > Managers. > > Somehow I've built an image that E17 might be what > I've been looking for. I don't know why, but it feels > like it could be perfect choice for Linux audio > workstation. Future will tell if my instincts are > right or wrong. I'm still waiting to try E17. Isn't Enlightenment equally resource hungry as KDE? Personally I prefer the minimalism and nice looks of Openbox for music making. Frankly, these days WM choice is really about personal style, if you're running a machine which is properly set up and powerful enough to run most music software, then it shouldn't make that much difference what WM you use. -- cheers, tim hall http://glastonburymusic.org.uk/tim We are the people We've been waiting for. From dave at pawfal.org Wed Oct 25 09:34:27 2006 From: dave at pawfal.org (Dave Griffiths) Date: Wed Oct 25 09:34:36 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] E17 - our choice of WM in the future? In-Reply-To: <200610251423.23828.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> References: <20061025104229.10208.qmail@web52212.mail.yahoo.com> <200610251423.23828.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> Message-ID: <33063.217.18.21.2.1161783267.squirrel@webmail.pawfal.org> > On Wednesday 25 October 2006 11:42, Drucer Ninetynine was like: >> It has been thrilling to watch how Linux audio >> software has matured, but I have always felt I'm not >> completely happy with any of the current X.org Window >> Managers. >> >> Somehow I've built an image that E17 might be what >> I've been looking for. I don't know why, but it feels >> like it could be perfect choice for Linux audio >> workstation. Future will tell if my instincts are >> right or wrong. > > I'm still waiting to try E17. Isn't Enlightenment equally resource hungry > as KDE? Personally I prefer the minimalism and nice looks of Openbox for > music making. Frankly, these days WM choice is really about personal > style, if you're running a machine which is properly set up and powerful > enough to run most music software, then it shouldn't make that much > difference what WM you use. that's one of the great things about the massive variety for me - I can run gnome for every day stuff and switch to fluxbox for super minimal when I want to perform, or concentrate on making things without distraction. in that sense - it is important in an indirect way to making music, as why should the same interface you'd use for office tasks work as well for music making? cheers, dave From noven at sincorp.org Wed Oct 25 10:19:14 2006 From: noven at sincorp.org (Novensiles divi Flamen) Date: Wed Oct 25 10:21:27 2006 Subject: [OT] Re: [linux-audio-user] E17 - our choice of WM in the future? In-Reply-To: <453F5609.5020407@woh.rr.com> References: <20061025104229.10208.qmail@web52212.mail.yahoo.com> <200610251828.07938.noven@sincorp.org> <453F5609.5020407@woh.rr.com> Message-ID: <200610252119.19794.noven@sincorp.org> On Wednesday 25 October 2006 19:18, Dave Phillips wrote: > Possisne in lingua antiqua scribere ? Hic non locus rectus, sed vide > http://www.textkit.com. > > Es tu flamen et miles verus ? Uterque non ego, rusticus scriptor sum et > cantator inelegans, sed linguam Latinam amavi ad annos plusquam triginta. > > Vale, > > Cantator (Nomen meum ad Textkit). A miles militis et flamen verus, tamen quantum scholasticus ut necesse. Latinum lingua est camena, per profundum voluntas. Vero hic est non forum , quod gratias pro url. - Noven -- >-- Novensiles divi Flamen --< >---- Miles Militis Fons ----< -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I suppose KMail could be replaced. I use KPackage regularly for upgrading and cannot stand Aptitude. That leaves a few KDE games. Do not have to remove KDE in any event if I have enough space. 2. Compatability with various video cards. NVidia? This stuff should be taken care of through the kernel and Xorg but there have been problems around. 3. Compatablity with kernels? KDE is very nice but much to heavy. E17 certain looks like an interesting "present" :-) > Hello list! > > What would you say about the future of Linux audio > workstations? What software will we run next year? > > It has been thrilling to watch how Linux audio > software has matured, but I have always felt I'm not > completely happy with any of the current X.org Window > Managers. > > Somehow I've built an image that E17 might be what > I've been looking for. I don't know why, but it feels > like it could be perfect choice for Linux audio > workstation. Future will tell if my instincts are > right or wrong. > > Something to think about: > > - E17 does not make any 'beeps' so it does not have > any sound server (like KDE has its Arts sound server). > I see this as a very positive thing. This means there > will not be any sound server to conflict with Jack. > > - E17 supports dual / triple displays out of the box. > It was designed to be able to use multiple displays > easily so I bet it can handle them better than other > solutions. > > - E17 has some of the fastest graphics libraries on > this planet and it should be easy to customize. E17 > scales very well. You can make it as minimalistic as > you want (making it possible to use it on old > hardware) or you can have all the eyecandy you could > ever imagine. > > - E17 libraries are world class. You can write a fully > functional DVD player with 18 lines of C code. It > should be easy for developers to create E17 > applications rapidly. Will we see Linux audio software > that uses E17's libraries in the future? Hope so. > > -- > > E17 has pre-alpha status now, so I don't think we will > have to wait very long now until it's finally > released. > > Could we get a nice Christmas present this year? > Perhaps. > > Some links if you don't know what E17 is: > > http://www.enlightenment.org > http://www.get-e.org/ > http://www.elivecd.org/gb/Main/Screenshots/ > > TerraSoft's comments (these guys created YellowDog > Linux for PS3 that has E17 as the default WM): > > "We have worked closely with the energetic, determined > E17 team to bring this advanced graphical user > interface to a state of interface euphoria. It's not > about eye candy and unnecessary special effects, it's > about finding balance between a lean, uncluttered > desktop and a personal environment that is both > familiar and powerful. E17 is simply the most > incredible thing I have ever used --with any operating system" From chip.vandan at gmail.com Wed Oct 25 10:54:03 2006 From: chip.vandan at gmail.com (Chip VanDan) Date: Wed Oct 25 10:54:11 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] I killed my jack on ccrma fc5.... In-Reply-To: <453F6272.3060906@expressmart.com> References: <87y7rbqsbo.fsf@arnaudov.name> <87bqo24rby.fsf@esben-stien.name> <87hcxugmnm.fsf@arnaudov.name> <87y7r62di4.fsf@esben-stien.name> <695e1a650610240736k4d57192bq6828dc4b08fcfae6@mail.gmail.com> <453F6272.3060906@expressmart.com> Message-ID: I thought I did the same thing in fc3 one day and fought with it for several minutes before I realized that I did not boot into the RT kernel at startup. Aside from that I'm no help. On 25/10/06, Timothy Alan Gorman wrote: > > I destroyed my jack install on my fc5 ccrma box.... > it will not start. it asks me to view the "messages" for more info... > there is no output other than "could not start"...... > any Ideas where to look? > timg > > -- -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- Version: 3.12 GCA/FA/S/O d+(--) s+: a-- C+++ L++ P E-- W++ N- o K? w O-- M- V- PS+ PE- Y+ PGP t- 5-- X R- !tv b++ DI++ D+ G+ e+/++ h--- r--/+++ z+++(*) ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------ From lars.luthman at gmail.com Wed Oct 25 10:55:41 2006 From: lars.luthman at gmail.com (Lars Luthman) Date: Wed Oct 25 10:55:48 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: E17 - our choice of WM in the future? In-Reply-To: <200610251636.26872.d_baron@012.net.il> References: <20061025123237.EC3BB3A6B42C@music.columbia.edu> <200610251636.26872.d_baron@012.net.il> Message-ID: <1161788141.11669.2.camel@c213-100-20-9.swipnet.se> On Wed, 2006-10-25 at 16:36 +0200, David Baron wrote: > 1. Can one run KDE or Gnome apps on it. These two have become more > interoperable. Various Gnome apps run on KDE. I can live without > Konqueror--Opera is much quicker. I suppose KMail could be replaced. I use > KPackage regularly for upgrading and cannot stand Aptitude. That leaves a few > KDE games. Do not have to remove KDE in any event if I have enough space. Any program runs on any window manager (maybe with a few very specialised exceptions). When you change window managers you change window managers, you don't need to change mail clients and software installers and web browsers and everything else. -- Lars Luthman - please encrypt any email sent to me if possible PGP key: http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x04C77E2E Fingerprint: FCA7 C790 19B9 322D EB7A E1B3 4371 4650 04C7 7E2E -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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From paniq at paniq.org Wed Oct 25 11:10:28 2006 From: paniq at paniq.org (Leonard "paniq" Ritter) Date: Wed Oct 25 11:11:17 2006 Subject: [OT] Re: [linux-audio-user] E17 - our choice of WM in the future? In-Reply-To: <200610252119.19794.noven@sincorp.org> References: <20061025104229.10208.qmail@web52212.mail.yahoo.com> <200610251828.07938.noven@sincorp.org> <453F5609.5020407@woh.rr.com> <200610252119.19794.noven@sincorp.org> Message-ID: <1161789028.5475.35.camel@localhost> latin is dead, just like e17! hahar! On Wed, 2006-10-25 at 21:19 +0700, Novensiles divi Flamen wrote: > On Wednesday 25 October 2006 19:18, Dave Phillips wrote: > > Possisne in lingua antiqua scribere ? Hic non locus rectus, sed vide > > http://www.textkit.com. > > > > Es tu flamen et miles verus ? Uterque non ego, rusticus scriptor sum et > > cantator inelegans, sed linguam Latinam amavi ad annos plusquam triginta. > > > > Vale, > > > > Cantator (Nomen meum ad Textkit). > > A miles militis et flamen verus, tamen quantum scholasticus ut necesse. > Latinum lingua est camena, per profundum voluntas. Vero hic est non forum , > quod gratias pro url. > > - Noven -- -- Leonard Ritter -- http://www.leonard-ritter.com -- http://www.paniq.org From capocasa at gmx.net Wed Oct 25 11:17:44 2006 From: capocasa at gmx.net (Carlo Capocasa) Date: Wed Oct 25 11:18:17 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Does anybody actually perform with ZynAddSubFX? In-Reply-To: <1161728635.3982.184.camel@mindpipe> References: <20061024222130.5eb6838d@localhost> <200610250007.05661.mista.tapas@gmx.net> <1161728519.3982.181.camel@mindpipe> <1161728635.3982.184.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: >> But this will never happen if JACK is in soft mode which it should be >> for live performance... > > Sorry, I've confused the client timeout with soft mode. I used the freebob backend so soft mode is grayed in QJactCtl; I assume this means it cannot be used yet with this backend. Carlo From paul at linuxaudiosystems.com Wed Oct 25 11:21:35 2006 From: paul at linuxaudiosystems.com (Paul Davis) Date: Wed Oct 25 11:22:52 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] More music at the Archive In-Reply-To: <453F6BC3.9000504@woh.rr.com> References: <453F6BC3.9000504@woh.rr.com> Message-ID: <1161789695.2309.73.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Wed, 2006-10-25 at 09:50 -0400, Dave Phillips wrote: > Greetings: > > http://www.archive.org/details/SonatinaForAnImaginaryGuitarist > > More Gebrauchsmusik for early-21st-century swingers. FM7? nice work dave. From rlrevell at joe-job.com Wed Oct 25 11:24:31 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Wed Oct 25 11:24:57 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Does anybody actually perform with ZynAddSubFX? In-Reply-To: References: <20061024222130.5eb6838d@localhost> <200610250007.05661.mista.tapas@gmx.net> <1161728519.3982.181.camel@mindpipe> <1161728635.3982.184.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <1161789876.3982.265.camel@mindpipe> On Wed, 2006-10-25 at 15:17 +0000, Carlo Capocasa wrote: > >> But this will never happen if JACK is in soft mode which it should be > >> for live performance... > > > > Sorry, I've confused the client timeout with soft mode. > > I used the freebob backend so soft mode is grayed in QJactCtl; I assume > this means it cannot be used yet with this backend. Have you considered that freebob could be the problem? I don't understand why you expect bleeding edge software to be stable enough for live use... Lee From capocasa at gmx.net Wed Oct 25 11:42:35 2006 From: capocasa at gmx.net (Carlo Capocasa) Date: Wed Oct 25 11:43:32 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Does anybody actually perform with ZynAddSubFX? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi all! Thank you very much for your replies, I really appreciate the amount of support here. First off, sorry about the harsh tone towards Zyn; I was lured into jumping to conclusions in order avoid taking blame for the instability. Reinvestigating, I found: * I was running Zyn at 96kHz as an experimentally and somehow switched my mindset to 'production'. * I was running ardour on the side (I was going to do my live mixing with it) * There was a DJ flanger running in ardour. * I was running a drum kit with six sub-patches, a synth bass and a synth guitar. Toning down Jack to 44.1 kHz and using Jack-Rack for vocal effects instead of ardour gave me a workable solution for live use. I was able to test this solution for twelve hours by visiting my girlfriend 'to say goodnight and leave again' without turning the sequencer off. When returning (of course) the next morning I was surprised to see not a single XRun. This didn't quite work for recording, but to get the Synth into ardour I managed to get by by increasing the buffer size to 4/1024. So one could consider this matter resolved and suggest to myself a dual 4GHz AMD box to fulfill my dream of performing live with Zyn at 96kHz. I would like to see some movement on Zyn though; specifically, it would be nice to see the Zyn components converted to LADSPA plugins or DSSI components for use in patchable synths. Thanks again to everyone for your concern and helpfulness! Carlo From timg at expressmart.com Wed Oct 25 11:49:37 2006 From: timg at expressmart.com (Timothy Alan Gorman) Date: Wed Oct 25 11:49:45 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] I killed my jack on ccrma fc5.... In-Reply-To: References: <87y7rbqsbo.fsf@arnaudov.name> <87bqo24rby.fsf@esben-stien.name> <87hcxugmnm.fsf@arnaudov.name> <87y7r62di4.fsf@esben-stien.name> <695e1a650610240736k4d57192bq6828dc4b08fcfae6@mail.gmail.com> <453F6272.3060906@expressmart.com> Message-ID: <453F8791.6010407@expressmart.com> Chip VanDan wrote: > I thought I did the same thing in fc3 one day and fought with it for > several minutes before I realized that I did not boot into the RT > kernel at startup. Aside from that I'm no help. > > On 25/10/06, Timothy Alan Gorman wrote: >> >> I destroyed my jack install on my fc5 ccrma box.... >> it will not start. it asks me to view the "messages" for more info... >> there is no output other than "could not start"...... >> any Ideas where to look? >> timg >> >> > > here's some logging... 11:47:54.047 Patchbay deactivated. 11:47:54.056 Statistics reset. 11:47:54.215 MIDI connection graph change. 11:47:54.261 MIDI connection change. 11:48:13.290 Startup script... 11:48:13.290 artsshell -q terminate 11:48:13.511 Startup script terminated with exit status=256. 11:48:13.511 JACK is starting... 11:48:13.511 jackd -v -R -dalsa -dhw:0 -r48000 -p1024 -n2 11:48:13.516 JACK was started with PID=2045 (0x7fd). getting driver descriptor from /usr/local/lib/jack/jack_oss.so getting driver descriptor from /usr/local/lib/jack/jack_portaudio.so getting driver descriptor from /usr/local/lib/jack/jack_alsa.so getting driver descriptor from /usr/local/lib/jack/jack_dummy.so jackd 0.102.20 Copyright 2001-2005 Paul Davis and others. jackd comes with ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY This is free software, and you are welcome to redistribute it under certain conditions; see the file COPYING for details JACK compiled with System V SHM support. server `default' registered loading driver .. registered builtin port type 32 bit float mono audio registered builtin port type 8 bit raw midi clock source = system clock via gettimeofday new client: alsa_pcm, id = 1 type 1 @ 0x8626250 fd = -1 apparent rate = 48000 creating alsa driver ... hw:0|hw:0|1024|2|48000|0|0|nomon|swmeter|-|32bit control device hw:0 configuring for 48000Hz, period = 1024 frames, buffer = 2 periods ALSA: final selected sample format for capture: 16bit little-endian ALSA: use 2 periods for capture ALSA: final selected sample format for playback: 32bit little-endian ALSA: use 2 periods for playback new buffer size 1024 registered port alsa_pcm:capture_1, offset = 4096 registered port alsa_pcm:capture_2, offset = 8192 registered port alsa_pcm:playback_1, offset = 0 registered port alsa_pcm:playback_2, offset = 0 registered port alsa_pcm:playback_3, offset = 0 registered port alsa_pcm:playback_4, offset = 0 registered port alsa_pcm:playback_5, offset = 0 registered port alsa_pcm:playback_6, offset = 0 ++ jack_rechain_graph(): client alsa_pcm: internal client, execution_order=0. -- jack_rechain_graph() 2045 waiting for signals load = 0.0258 max usecs: 11.000, spare = 21322.000 11:48:15.678 Could not connect to JACK server as client. Please check the messages window for more info. load = 0.0551 max usecs: 18.000, spare = 21315.000 load = 0.0486 max usecs: 9.000, spare = 21324.000 load = 0.0384 max usecs: 6.000, spare = 21327.000 -- ExpressMart.com
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From fbar at footils.org Wed Oct 25 12:04:21 2006 From: fbar at footils.org (Frank Barknecht) Date: Wed Oct 25 12:05:18 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] E17 - our choice of WM in the future? In-Reply-To: <20061025104229.10208.qmail@web52212.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20061025104229.10208.qmail@web52212.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20061025160421.GA17907@fliwatut.scifi> Hallo, Drucer Ninetynine hat gesagt: // Drucer Ninetynine wrote: > - E17 does not make any 'beeps' so it does not have > any sound server (like KDE has its Arts sound server). > I see this as a very positive thing. This means there > will not be any sound server to conflict with Jack. History lesson: Enlightenment was the father of the "Enlightenmend Sound Daemon", ESD or ESounD. Ciao -- Frank Barknecht _ ______footils.org_ __goto10.org__ From fbar at footils.org Wed Oct 25 12:06:31 2006 From: fbar at footils.org (Frank Barknecht) Date: Wed Oct 25 12:07:41 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] E17 - our choice of WM in the future? In-Reply-To: <20061025160421.GA17907@fliwatut.scifi> References: <20061025104229.10208.qmail@web52212.mail.yahoo.com> <20061025160421.GA17907@fliwatut.scifi> Message-ID: <20061025160631.GB17907@fliwatut.scifi> Hallo, Frank Barknecht hat gesagt: // Frank Barknecht wrote: > History lesson: > > Enlightenment was the father of the "Enlightenmend Sound Daemon", ESD > or ESounD. Spelling correction: It's "Enlightened Sound Daemon". Ciao -- Frank Barknecht _ ______footils.org_ __goto10.org__ From me at danieletorelli.net Wed Oct 25 12:12:31 2006 From: me at danieletorelli.net (Daniele Torelli) Date: Wed Oct 25 12:11:58 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] sync problem with RME MADI Message-ID: <20061025181231.5eba9f8c@gilles.> Hi everybody I have a strange problem with a RME MADI card, the annoying fact is that *one* time I managed to make it work properly and I really didn't understand how, so I'm completely going crazy because I know there is one solution. So.. I have the card connected with the ADI-648 interface, the problem is that: - every audio program on the machine seems to have a wrong timing, for example Ardour and Alsaplayer show that one second passed about every two real seconds. On alsaplayer I can hear something "correct" only if I put the playing speed to 180%. - the "sync" led on the ADI-648 ("input state" secion) starts blinking (that means there is something wrong) when ALSA starts, and never stops. *Never*. I can unload all the snd modules. I can kill every process but the essentials and reboot the ADI-648. Nothing. It stops blinking only when I halt the machine. yesterday, suddenly, the led stopped and everything started to work properly. But I really didn't understand why, I was trying almost everything and the solution went lost (at the reboot everything was wrong as before). Any idea about this? ("buy another brain" could be a good idea but...:)) regards, -- Daniele Torelli ------------------------------------------------------------ Free Electronic Music - www.danieletorelli.net - www.yue.it ---------- http://freelectronicmusic.splinder.com ---------- From jack.oquin at gmail.com Wed Oct 25 12:29:27 2006 From: jack.oquin at gmail.com (Jack O'Quin) Date: Wed Oct 25 12:29:34 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] More music at the Archive In-Reply-To: <453F6BC3.9000504@woh.rr.com> References: <453F6BC3.9000504@woh.rr.com> Message-ID: On 10/25/06, Dave Phillips wrote: > Greetings: > > http://www.archive.org/details/SonatinaForAnImaginaryGuitarist > > More Gebrauchsmusik for early-21st-century swingers. Beautiful composition. Thanks for posting it, Dave! -- joq From lau at kudla.org Wed Oct 25 12:30:15 2006 From: lau at kudla.org (Rob) Date: Wed Oct 25 12:34:31 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: E17 - our choice of WM in the future? In-Reply-To: References: <20061025123237.EC3BB3A6B42C@music.columbia.edu> Message-ID: <200610251230.15819.lau@kudla.org> On Wednesday 25 October 2006 10:58, Kjetil S. Matheussen wrote: > I have always wondered why people bother to use other window > managers than fvwm? I know about variety and choice, he he, > but its like using beos, windows vista, macosx, hurd, or some > other fancy new OS instead of linux, which is fast enough, > extremely stable, and can be configured to be or do whatever. > Just like fvwm. I don't use fvwm for the same reason I don't use Gentoo or Slackware. It's too minimal, too close to the metal for my general use. Linux is the operating system I use every day on half a dozen different machines, between mine and my clients'. It's not just some personal comp sci project where I have time to tweak config files endlessly. I use GNOME or KDE and whatever window manager they have set up by default. And any window manager I use will be one that has a start menu, quick launch bar and task list on screen by default. Currently my choice between the two is GNOME because I'm running Ubuntu and some of the system menus seem to be absent from KDE, but since I'm typing this in kmail, all that KDE crap is running anyway, and I am offended by the fact that gnome-panel uses 147MB of VM, so I'll probably end up switching back. These choices are not only for my own convenience, but because I see a day in the future where I can seriously tell a pretty normal user, "To do anything you want on this Linux machine you will never need to see a command line or edit a config file." It's already about 90% of the way there but then one of my customers or my partner will ask me how to do something and I'll have to grumble and open up Konsole. If I'm doing something which needs all the CPU and RAM I can give it (like music stuff on a non-Molnarized machine) or on really slow machines I fire up IceWM, which at least has third-party graphical config tools. I also like that its system bar goes all the way across the bottom of the screen by default, like on the Macs and Amigas I cut my teeth on 20 years ago. (The only reason the "icons sprayed across the bottom of the screen" thing works on OS X is because of their transparent background and that nice smooth scaling effect.) Even then, it annoys me that I can't just drag the start menu/task bar up to the top of the screen (the way those Macs and Amigas had it) like I can with the other two desktops. I also miss the temperature/heat index/wind chill applet I wrote for the KDE panel. E16 was popular with the tweaker set and I know e17 will be as well. I personally have no use for weird bitmap themes or partially transparent terminals or white-on-dark-brown color schemes or weird ornamental fonts that make me feel like I'm using a fake computer on the set of one of the CSI's or a desktop interface that consists of "right click on the desktop to do anything", and that's what I remember from e16. I think you just have to be a little more, uh, elite than me to appreciate that stuff. Rob From perlanegra.proyect at gmail.com Wed Oct 25 13:04:45 2006 From: perlanegra.proyect at gmail.com (perlanegra proyect) Date: Wed Oct 25 13:05:09 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] habemus videoclip :) Message-ID: <311b5a1a0610251004i6b7f6d99he265a13b228a49be@mail.gmail.com> hallo list !! :) these days I've been working with my first video work, it's a simple videoclip made with a house theme and some video recordings made by a photo director and me... after some works with audio and photo, I think this is the natural evolution... the music theme is made under GNU/Linux, so I think this is a good site to post a link, the video not so, it has been made still with commercials, maybe because I don't know very well how to work with video yet, so I've used the things I was able to use... I've made a mobile phones version too, 4 freaks.... xD well, I hope u enjoy this work... the link is this one: http://perlssdj.blogspot.com/2006/10/x3-first-perlssdjs-video-release-these.html ( I suggest u the download, because the Youtube's preview is awful terrible... ) ... any kind of feedback is good, thanks... B happy... :) PerlssDj -- ... visit always http://perlssdj.blogspot.com 4 cool stuff !!... From paul at linuxaudiosystems.com Wed Oct 25 13:07:14 2006 From: paul at linuxaudiosystems.com (Paul Davis) Date: Wed Oct 25 13:08:36 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: E17 - our choice of WM in the future? In-Reply-To: <200610251230.15819.lau@kudla.org> References: <20061025123237.EC3BB3A6B42C@music.columbia.edu> <200610251230.15819.lau@kudla.org> Message-ID: <1161796034.2309.89.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Wed, 2006-10-25 at 12:30 -0400, Rob wrote: > "To do anything you want on this Linux machine you > will never need to see a command line or edit a config file." out of interest, how do you print a document without a command line and without going into a document editor of some kind? From lau at kudla.org Wed Oct 25 13:19:59 2006 From: lau at kudla.org (Rob) Date: Wed Oct 25 13:21:28 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: E17 - our choice of WM in the future? In-Reply-To: <1161796034.2309.89.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <20061025123237.EC3BB3A6B42C@music.columbia.edu> <200610251230.15819.lau@kudla.org> <1161796034.2309.89.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <200610251320.00171.lau@kudla.org> On Wednesday 25 October 2006 13:07, Paul Davis wrote: > out of interest, how do you print a document without a command > line "File/Print" and then click OK. Works in kwrite, gedit, Openoffice, pretty much any document-producing app worth installing. > and without going into a document editor of some kind? If you can't start one of those programs I mentioned without dropping to a command line, you seriously need a new desktop environment. Rob From atte.jensen at gmail.com Wed Oct 25 14:01:05 2006 From: atte.jensen at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Atte_Andr=E9_Jensen?=) Date: Wed Oct 25 14:01:14 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Does anybody actually perform with ZynAddSubFX? In-Reply-To: <20061025065538.73660.qmail@web52209.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20061025065538.73660.qmail@web52209.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <453FA661.3050202@gmail.com> Drucer Ninetynine wrote: > It's a shame if nobody is working on it. It's such an > awesome sounding synthesizer that it would be a shame > if it can't be used for live shows because of the > stability problems. Amen! -- peace, love & harmony Atte http://www.atte.dk | quintet: http://www.anagrammer.dk | compositions: http://www.atte.dk/compositions From paul at linuxaudiosystems.com Wed Oct 25 14:11:39 2006 From: paul at linuxaudiosystems.com (Paul Davis) Date: Wed Oct 25 14:12:01 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] I killed my jack on ccrma fc5.... In-Reply-To: <453F8791.6010407@expressmart.com> References: <87y7rbqsbo.fsf@arnaudov.name> <87bqo24rby.fsf@esben-stien.name> <87hcxugmnm.fsf@arnaudov.name> <87y7r62di4.fsf@esben-stien.name> <695e1a650610240736k4d57192bq6828dc4b08fcfae6@mail.gmail.com> <453F6272.3060906@expressmart.com> <453F8791.6010407@expressmart.com> Message-ID: <1161799899.2309.102.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Wed, 2006-10-25 at 11:49 -0400, Timothy Alan Gorman wrote: did you install JACK twice? this is the usual reason for this problem. You *cannot* have 2 JACK installs on a machine (unless you really know what you are doing). From fbar at footils.org Wed Oct 25 15:08:08 2006 From: fbar at footils.org (Frank Barknecht) Date: Wed Oct 25 15:09:07 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: E17 - our choice of WM in the future? In-Reply-To: <200610251320.00171.lau@kudla.org> References: <20061025123237.EC3BB3A6B42C@music.columbia.edu> <200610251230.15819.lau@kudla.org> <1161796034.2309.89.camel@localhost.localdomain> <200610251320.00171.lau@kudla.org> Message-ID: <20061025190808.GE17907@fliwatut.scifi> Hallo, Rob hat gesagt: // Rob wrote: > > and without going into a document editor of some kind? > > If you can't start one of those programs I mentioned without > dropping to a command line, you seriously need a new desktop > environment. I think, this is really a matter of taste and what you're used to. I completely agree that users shouldn't be forced to use the command line. However there also is the other side: I am one of those users who love the command line. I prefer a GNU Screen over a taskbar, my file managers are rm, cp, mv and mkdir. I'm quite fast with these tools, much faster than with most GUI apps for things like starting programs, editing configurations, handling files etc. and these tools are available on every *nix machine I saw. But at work I have to use Windows XP, where I'm really missing my trusted powerful bash. I think this is at least as bad as having to drop to the command line now and then on Linux. Ciao -- Frank Barknecht _ ______footils.org_ __goto10.org__ From idragosani at gmail.com Wed Oct 25 15:11:20 2006 From: idragosani at gmail.com (Brett W. McCoy) Date: Wed Oct 25 15:11:29 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: E17 - our choice of WM in the future? In-Reply-To: <20061025190808.GE17907@fliwatut.scifi> References: <20061025123237.EC3BB3A6B42C@music.columbia.edu> <200610251230.15819.lau@kudla.org> <1161796034.2309.89.camel@localhost.localdomain> <200610251320.00171.lau@kudla.org> <20061025190808.GE17907@fliwatut.scifi> Message-ID: <18b65aac0610251211g7210bc82ob97d75fda62c526b@mail.gmail.com> On 10/25/06, Frank Barknecht wrote: > But at work I have to use Windows XP, where I'm really missing my > trusted powerful bash. I think this is at least as bad as having to > drop to the command line now and then on Linux. That's what CygWin is for. :-) -- Brett McCoy: Programmer by Day, Guitarist by Night http://www.alhazred.com http://www.cassandrasyndrome.com http://www.revelmoon.com From fons.adriaensen at skynet.be Wed Oct 25 15:28:17 2006 From: fons.adriaensen at skynet.be (Fons Adriaensen) Date: Wed Oct 25 15:26:02 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: E17 - our choice of WM in the future? In-Reply-To: <20061025190808.GE17907@fliwatut.scifi> References: <20061025123237.EC3BB3A6B42C@music.columbia.edu> <200610251230.15819.lau@kudla.org> <1161796034.2309.89.camel@localhost.localdomain> <200610251320.00171.lau@kudla.org> <20061025190808.GE17907@fliwatut.scifi> Message-ID: <20061025192817.GC5945@linux-1.site> On Wed, Oct 25, 2006 at 09:08:08PM +0200, Frank Barknecht wrote: > I prefer a GNU Screen over a taskbar, my file managers are rm, cp, > mv and mkdir. Same here. I've also banned not only KDE but also all KDE apps from my system. They just don't get installed. This will remain so until they start to behave (which will never happen). -- FA Lascia la spina, cogli la rosa. From _ at whats-your.name Wed Oct 25 15:26:53 2006 From: _ at whats-your.name (carmen) Date: Wed Oct 25 15:27:00 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: E17 - our choice of WM in the future? In-Reply-To: <18b65aac0610251211g7210bc82ob97d75fda62c526b@mail.gmail.com> References: <20061025123237.EC3BB3A6B42C@music.columbia.edu> <200610251230.15819.lau@kudla.org> <1161796034.2309.89.camel@localhost.localdomain> <200610251320.00171.lau@kudla.org> <20061025190808.GE17907@fliwatut.scifi> <18b65aac0610251211g7210bc82ob97d75fda62c526b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20061025192653.GA31207@replic.net> On Wed Oct 25, 2006 at 03:11:20PM -0400, Brett W. McCoy wrote: > On 10/25/06, Frank Barknecht wrote: > > >But at work I have to use Windows XP, where I'm really missing my > >trusted powerful bash. I think this is at least as bad as having to > >drop to the command line now and then on Linux. > > That's what CygWin is for. :-) no need, native bash.exe runs fine without it. grab it from minGW.. > > -- > Brett McCoy: Programmer by Day, Guitarist by Night > http://www.alhazred.com > http://www.cassandrasyndrome.com > http://www.revelmoon.com > From fbar at footils.org Wed Oct 25 15:30:26 2006 From: fbar at footils.org (Frank Barknecht) Date: Wed Oct 25 15:31:22 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: E17 - our choice of WM in the future? In-Reply-To: <18b65aac0610251211g7210bc82ob97d75fda62c526b@mail.gmail.com> References: <20061025123237.EC3BB3A6B42C@music.columbia.edu> <200610251230.15819.lau@kudla.org> <1161796034.2309.89.camel@localhost.localdomain> <200610251320.00171.lau@kudla.org> <20061025190808.GE17907@fliwatut.scifi> <18b65aac0610251211g7210bc82ob97d75fda62c526b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20061025193026.GF17907@fliwatut.scifi> Hallo, Brett W. McCoy hat gesagt: // Brett W. McCoy wrote: > On 10/25/06, Frank Barknecht wrote: > > >But at work I have to use Windows XP, where I'm really missing my > >trusted powerful bash. I think this is at least as bad as having to > >drop to the command line now and then on Linux. > > That's what CygWin is for. :-) Unfortunately it's not installed everywhere. :( Ciao -- Frank Barknecht _ ______footils.org_ __goto10.org__ From lau at kudla.org Wed Oct 25 15:36:17 2006 From: lau at kudla.org (Rob) Date: Wed Oct 25 15:36:41 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: E17 - our choice of WM in the future? In-Reply-To: <20061025190808.GE17907@fliwatut.scifi> References: <20061025123237.EC3BB3A6B42C@music.columbia.edu> <200610251320.00171.lau@kudla.org> <20061025190808.GE17907@fliwatut.scifi> Message-ID: <200610251536.17622.lau@kudla.org> On Wednesday 25 October 2006 15:08, Frank Barknecht wrote: > However there also is the other side: I am > one of those users who love the command line. I prefer a GNU > Screen over a taskbar, my file managers are rm, cp, mv and > mkdir. And you have many desktop options available to you when your needs are so simple. I spend most of my time at a command line too, though I prefer Konsole's tabbed windows over screen for local use at this point, but I am not most users, I'm a coder. > But at work I have to use Windows XP, where I'm really missing > my trusted powerful bash. I think this is at least as bad as > having to drop to the command line now and then on Linux. For you and me, sure. (I always install cygwin if I have to use a Windows machine for any length of time.) But again, you and I are not most users. Rob From philicorda at ntlworld.com Wed Oct 25 15:36:22 2006 From: philicorda at ntlworld.com (philicorda) Date: Wed Oct 25 15:36:55 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Does anybody actually perform with ZynAddSubFX? In-Reply-To: <20061025180128.49B253A8039D@music.columbia.edu> References: <20061025180128.49B253A8039D@music.columbia.edu> Message-ID: <1161804987.30646.5.camel@cpc3-cdif6-0-0-cust408.cdif.cable.ntl.com> > From: Atte Andr? Jensen > > Drucer Ninetynine wrote: > > > It's a shame if nobody is working on it. It's such an > > awesome sounding synthesizer that it would be a shame > > if it can't be used for live shows because of the > > stability problems. > > Amen! I think that the stability problems people have been having are due to Zyn taking too much CPU time by playing too many notes at once, and thus getting disconnected from jack. If there was a way to restrict polyphony I dont think this would be a problem any more. I mentioned this on the Zyn list a while back. From mprims at skynet.be Wed Oct 25 15:44:29 2006 From: mprims at skynet.be (mik) Date: Wed Oct 25 15:44:19 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: E17 - our choice of WM in the future? In-Reply-To: <18b65aac0610251211g7210bc82ob97d75fda62c526b@mail.gmail.com> References: <20061025123237.EC3BB3A6B42C@music.columbia.edu> <200610251230.15819.lau@kudla.org> <1161796034.2309.89.camel@localhost.localdomain> <200610251320.00171.lau@kudla.org> <20061025190808.GE17907@fliwatut.scifi> <18b65aac0610251211g7210bc82ob97d75fda62c526b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <453FBE9D.5070500@skynet.be> Brett W. McCoy schreef: > On 10/25/06, Frank Barknecht wrote: > >> But at work I have to use Windows XP, where I'm really missing my >> trusted powerful bash. I think this is at least as bad as having to >> drop to the command line now and then on Linux. > > That's what CygWin is for. :-) > http://www.research.att.com/sw/tools/uwin/ -- http://www.mprims.net From folderol at ukfsn.org Wed Oct 25 15:54:36 2006 From: folderol at ukfsn.org (Folderol) Date: Wed Oct 25 15:52:10 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Does anybody actually perform with ZynAddSubFX? In-Reply-To: <1161804987.30646.5.camel@cpc3-cdif6-0-0-cust408.cdif.cable.ntl.com> References: <20061025180128.49B253A8039D@music.columbia.edu> <1161804987.30646.5.camel@cpc3-cdif6-0-0-cust408.cdif.cable.ntl.com> Message-ID: <20061025205436.18ed629c@localhost> On Wed, 25 Oct 2006 20:36:22 +0100 philicorda wrote: > > > From: Atte Andr? Jensen > > > > Drucer Ninetynine wrote: > > > > > It's a shame if nobody is working on it. It's such an > > > awesome sounding synthesizer that it would be a shame > > > if it can't be used for live shows because of the > > > stability problems. > > > > Amen! > > I think that the stability problems people have been having are due to > Zyn taking too much CPU time by playing too many notes at once, and thus > getting disconnected from jack. > > If there was a way to restrict polyphony I dont think this would be a > problem any more. I mentioned this on the Zyn list a while back. This is something I would agree with, but should it be, per instrument, per parameter set or global? -- Will J G From paul at linuxaudiosystems.com Wed Oct 25 16:13:31 2006 From: paul at linuxaudiosystems.com (Paul Davis) Date: Wed Oct 25 16:14:37 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: E17 - our choice of WM in the future? In-Reply-To: <200610251320.00171.lau@kudla.org> References: <20061025123237.EC3BB3A6B42C@music.columbia.edu> <200610251230.15819.lau@kudla.org> <1161796034.2309.89.camel@localhost.localdomain> <200610251320.00171.lau@kudla.org> Message-ID: <1161807211.2309.109.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Wed, 2006-10-25 at 13:19 -0400, Rob wrote: > On Wednesday 25 October 2006 13:07, Paul Davis wrote: > > out of interest, how do you print a document without a command > > line > > "File/Print" and then click OK. Works in kwrite, gedit, > Openoffice, pretty much any document-producing app worth > installing. no, no. i am talking about being in a file browser, not in a document editor. lets say i find foo.txt or bar.png or baz.pdf and i want to print it. what do i do? because in a command line environment i don't have to start up an editor, i just type "lpr foo.txt". it seems to me that this *must* be possible from the GUI equivalent, but in GNOME at least i cannot find it. --p From rsjtaylor at gmail.com Wed Oct 25 16:17:46 2006 From: rsjtaylor at gmail.com (Richard Taylor) Date: Wed Oct 25 16:19:03 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Focusrite Saffire Pro 26 I/O In-Reply-To: <45352A34.8020702@gmail.com> References: <453408E8.4020100@gmail.com> <4a29da9d0610170930gba71db1t66dfdca1c914ebf4@mail.gmail.com> <45352A34.8020702@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4a29da9d0610251317m5971f468h1b2fb938e731cc6c@mail.gmail.com> Good news and bad news. Good news, recording does work. Bad news, zero latency monitoring comes on by default and routes itself to all the analog outputs so it's a bit useless really. Maybe there's a setting somewhere i've missed - definately nothing connected in jack tho. On 17/10/06, Atte Andr? Jensen wrote: > Richard Taylor wrote: > > > Don't have time to fiddle right now but will keep you > > posted. > > Thanks for the info. Sounds promissing. Looking forward to hear about > further investigations. > > -- > peace, love & harmony > Atte > > http://www.atte.dk | quintet: http://www.anagrammer.dk > | compositions: http://www.atte.dk/compositions > From rj at spamatica.se Wed Oct 25 16:28:25 2006 From: rj at spamatica.se (Robert Jonsson) Date: Wed Oct 25 16:29:25 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: E17 - our choice of WM in the future? In-Reply-To: <1161807211.2309.109.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <20061025123237.EC3BB3A6B42C@music.columbia.edu> <200610251320.00171.lau@kudla.org> <1161807211.2309.109.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <200610252228.26358.rj@spamatica.se> > because in a command line environment i don't have to start up an > editor, i just type "lpr foo.txt". it seems to me that this *must* be > possible from the GUI equivalent, but in GNOME at least i cannot find > it. In KDE it's right click->action->print. Naturally this would only work with text or postscript files (and possibly some other kde native formats), otherwise you'd need a app that converts it, e.g. the app that wrote it. /Robert -- http://spamatica.se/musicsite/ From markknecht at gmail.com Wed Oct 25 16:31:03 2006 From: markknecht at gmail.com (Mark Knecht) Date: Wed Oct 25 16:31:14 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: E17 - our choice of WM in the future? In-Reply-To: <1161807211.2309.109.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <20061025123237.EC3BB3A6B42C@music.columbia.edu> <200610251230.15819.lau@kudla.org> <1161796034.2309.89.camel@localhost.localdomain> <200610251320.00171.lau@kudla.org> <1161807211.2309.109.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <5bdc1c8b0610251331x783d7978w1a11553129a2c9ef@mail.gmail.com> On 10/25/06, Paul Davis wrote: > On Wed, 2006-10-25 at 13:19 -0400, Rob wrote: > > On Wednesday 25 October 2006 13:07, Paul Davis wrote: > > > out of interest, how do you print a document without a command > > > line > > > > "File/Print" and then click OK. Works in kwrite, gedit, > > Openoffice, pretty much any document-producing app worth > > installing. > > no, no. i am talking about being in a file browser, not in a document > editor. lets say i find foo.txt or bar.png or baz.pdf and i want to > print it. what do i do? > > because in a command line environment i don't have to start up an > editor, i just type "lpr foo.txt". it seems to me that this *must* be > possible from the GUI equivalent, but in GNOME at least i cannot find > it. > Do you mean something like the Windows 'Run' command? I don't think Gnome has that, or I've never seen it. Of course Gnome does have a terminal to instead of running the command it's open the terminal and run the command. Not a big deal really. I'm sure there is a finer point here? - Mark From paniq at paniq.org Wed Oct 25 16:31:35 2006 From: paniq at paniq.org (Leonard "paniq" Ritter) Date: Wed Oct 25 16:32:17 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: E17 - our choice of WM in the future? In-Reply-To: <20061025193026.GF17907@fliwatut.scifi> References: <20061025123237.EC3BB3A6B42C@music.columbia.edu> <200610251230.15819.lau@kudla.org> <1161796034.2309.89.camel@localhost.localdomain> <200610251320.00171.lau@kudla.org> <20061025190808.GE17907@fliwatut.scifi> <18b65aac0610251211g7210bc82ob97d75fda62c526b@mail.gmail.com> <20061025193026.GF17907@fliwatut.scifi> Message-ID: <1161808295.6083.0.camel@localhost> Am Mittwoch, den 25.10.2006, 21:30 +0200 schrieb Frank Barknecht: > > > > That's what CygWin is for. :-) > > Unfortunately it's not installed everywhere. :( it doesn't have the best package manager around :/ -- -- Leonard Ritter -- http://www.leonard-ritter.com -- http://www.paniq.org From fbar at footils.org Wed Oct 25 16:36:56 2006 From: fbar at footils.org (Frank Barknecht) Date: Wed Oct 25 16:37:53 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: E17 - our choice of WM in the future? In-Reply-To: <1161807211.2309.109.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <20061025123237.EC3BB3A6B42C@music.columbia.edu> <200610251230.15819.lau@kudla.org> <1161796034.2309.89.camel@localhost.localdomain> <200610251320.00171.lau@kudla.org> <1161807211.2309.109.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <20061025203656.GH17907@fliwatut.scifi> Hallo, Paul Davis hat gesagt: // Paul Davis wrote: > no, no. i am talking about being in a file browser, not in a document > editor. lets say i find foo.txt or bar.png or baz.pdf and i want to > print it. what do i do? > > because in a command line environment i don't have to start up an > editor, i just type "lpr foo.txt". ... and thus fire up the "printor" software. ;) > it seems to me that this *must* be > possible from the GUI equivalent, but in GNOME at least i cannot find > it. I guess something like Print is in the context menu of a lot of GUI environments. It is in Windows, I guess it should be in Gnome as well. But the point is, that a context menu is only so long, it starts to get uncomfortable with more than a dozen entries. However in the command line you have hundreds or even thousands of commands at your fingertips. Just press TAB-TAB. If you want to print or if you want to run a word count, if you want to upload with scp or whatever: It's all there. To my knowledge the command line is the most flexible and powerful "context menu" invented so far. Similar things can be said about using textfiles and an editor for configurations and settings. Where is the Settings GUI that lets you do such a simple thing as add and store your own comment to a certain dialog entry? - Not in Ardour AFAIK. ;) Ciao -- Frank Barknecht _ ______footils.org_ __goto10.org__ From paul at linuxaudiosystems.com Wed Oct 25 16:40:37 2006 From: paul at linuxaudiosystems.com (Paul Davis) Date: Wed Oct 25 16:41:51 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: E17 - our choice of WM in the future? In-Reply-To: <5bdc1c8b0610251331x783d7978w1a11553129a2c9ef@mail.gmail.com> References: <20061025123237.EC3BB3A6B42C@music.columbia.edu> <200610251230.15819.lau@kudla.org> <1161796034.2309.89.camel@localhost.localdomain> <200610251320.00171.lau@kudla.org> <1161807211.2309.109.camel@localhost.localdomain> <5bdc1c8b0610251331x783d7978w1a11553129a2c9ef@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1161808837.2309.115.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Wed, 2006-10-25 at 13:31 -0700, Mark Knecht wrote: > > no, no. i am talking about being in a file browser, not in a document > > editor. lets say i find foo.txt or bar.png or baz.pdf and i want to > > print it. what do i do? > > > > because in a command line environment i don't have to start up an > > editor, i just type "lpr foo.txt". it seems to me that this *must* be > > possible from the GUI equivalent, but in GNOME at least i cannot find > > it. > > > > Do you mean something like the Windows 'Run' command? I don't think > Gnome has that, or I've never seen it. Of course Gnome does have a > terminal to instead of running the command it's open the terminal and > run the command. Not a big deal really. > > I'm sure there is a finer point here? actually, no. i am not talking about a "Run command" style interface. i am simply amazed that whenever i go to show my wife or kids a document that they should print but that needs no editing (e.g. my wife's resume, a picture one of them took, etc etc), neither i nor they can find anyway to do so without going into a heavyweight app and then doing the usual File->Print method. coming from a command line background, it seems ridiculous that the file managers/browsers have all omitted to leverage the power of lpr and its filter system. From rlrevell at joe-job.com Wed Oct 25 16:42:14 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Wed Oct 25 16:43:20 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: E17 - our choice of WM in the future? In-Reply-To: <1161808295.6083.0.camel@localhost> References: <20061025123237.EC3BB3A6B42C@music.columbia.edu> <200610251230.15819.lau@kudla.org> <1161796034.2309.89.camel@localhost.localdomain> <200610251320.00171.lau@kudla.org> <20061025190808.GE17907@fliwatut.scifi> <18b65aac0610251211g7210bc82ob97d75fda62c526b@mail.gmail.com> <20061025193026.GF17907@fliwatut.scifi> <1161808295.6083.0.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <1161808935.3982.337.camel@mindpipe> On Wed, 2006-10-25 at 22:31 +0200, Leonard "paniq" Ritter wrote: > Am Mittwoch, den 25.10.2006, 21:30 +0200 schrieb Frank Barknecht: > > > > > > That's what CygWin is for. :-) > > > > Unfortunately it's not installed everywhere. :( > > it doesn't have the best package manager around :/ > Are you kidding? It has the perfect package manager! Start->Run->http://cygwin.com/setup.exe and just click through... Lee From rlrevell at joe-job.com Wed Oct 25 16:44:51 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Wed Oct 25 16:46:28 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: E17 - our choice of WM in the future? In-Reply-To: <20061025203656.GH17907@fliwatut.scifi> References: <20061025123237.EC3BB3A6B42C@music.columbia.edu> <200610251230.15819.lau@kudla.org> <1161796034.2309.89.camel@localhost.localdomain> <200610251320.00171.lau@kudla.org> <1161807211.2309.109.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20061025203656.GH17907@fliwatut.scifi> Message-ID: <1161809092.3982.341.camel@mindpipe> On Wed, 2006-10-25 at 22:36 +0200, Frank Barknecht wrote: > I guess something like Print is in the context menu of a lot of GUI > environments. It is in Windows, I guess it should be in Gnome as well. Really? So you can right click->print a Word doc in Explorer and it will print without opening Word? I don't remember Windows doing this... Lee From capocasa at gmx.net Wed Oct 25 16:45:08 2006 From: capocasa at gmx.net (Carlo Capocasa) Date: Wed Oct 25 16:46:47 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Does anybody actually perform with ZynAddSubFX? In-Reply-To: <1161789876.3982.265.camel@mindpipe> References: <20061024222130.5eb6838d@localhost> <200610250007.05661.mista.tapas@gmx.net> <1161728519.3982.181.camel@mindpipe> <1161728635.3982.184.camel@mindpipe> <1161789876.3982.265.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: > Have you considered that freebob could be the problem? I don't > understand why you expect bleeding edge software to be stable enough for > live use... Desperation :) Seriously though, as mentioned I did quite a hump jump at Zyn, I assume I simply ran out of CPU cycles, combined with a certain instability Zyn already had when I was using it with ALSA, mainly in connection with loading patches. At 44.1 (instead of 96) things work fine now. FreeBoB is amazingly stable, by the way. Carlo From markknecht at gmail.com Wed Oct 25 16:45:50 2006 From: markknecht at gmail.com (Mark Knecht) Date: Wed Oct 25 16:46:55 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: E17 - our choice of WM in the future? In-Reply-To: <1161808837.2309.115.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <20061025123237.EC3BB3A6B42C@music.columbia.edu> <200610251230.15819.lau@kudla.org> <1161796034.2309.89.camel@localhost.localdomain> <200610251320.00171.lau@kudla.org> <1161807211.2309.109.camel@localhost.localdomain> <5bdc1c8b0610251331x783d7978w1a11553129a2c9ef@mail.gmail.com> <1161808837.2309.115.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <5bdc1c8b0610251345q65d72ac4mfb8dfd833347d021@mail.gmail.com> On 10/25/06, Paul Davis wrote: > On Wed, 2006-10-25 at 13:31 -0700, Mark Knecht wrote: > > > > no, no. i am talking about being in a file browser, not in a document > > > editor. lets say i find foo.txt or bar.png or baz.pdf and i want to > > > print it. what do i do? > > > > > > because in a command line environment i don't have to start up an > > > editor, i just type "lpr foo.txt". it seems to me that this *must* be > > > possible from the GUI equivalent, but in GNOME at least i cannot find > > > it. > > > > > > > Do you mean something like the Windows 'Run' command? I don't think > > Gnome has that, or I've never seen it. Of course Gnome does have a > > terminal to instead of running the command it's open the terminal and > > run the command. Not a big deal really. > > > > I'm sure there is a finer point here? > > actually, no. i am not talking about a "Run command" style interface. i > am simply amazed that whenever i go to show my wife or kids a document > that they should print but that needs no editing (e.g. my wife's resume, > a picture one of them took, etc etc), neither i nor they can find anyway > to do so without going into a heavyweight app and then doing the usual > File->Print method. OK - I completely understand and completely agree. However I think the 'printing in Linux' problem seems to go so far beyond the desktop environment it's scary. Printing is jsut damnably hard in Linux no matter how you try it. I have printers all around the house. With a lot of work I can get one or two of them to be available to different machines, but we run into formatting issues. The HP printer attached to this AMD64 Gentoo box gives different results with the same document printed from my wife's box or my son's box or even printed from here. > > coming from a command line background, it seems ridiculous that the file > managers/browsers have all omitted to leverage the power of lpr and its > filter system. I agree. I'm sure it could be easier and certainly more intuitive. - Mark From capocasa at gmx.net Wed Oct 25 16:46:53 2006 From: capocasa at gmx.net (Carlo Capocasa) Date: Wed Oct 25 16:50:52 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: habemus videoclip :) In-Reply-To: <311b5a1a0610251004i6b7f6d99he265a13b228a49be@mail.gmail.com> References: <311b5a1a0610251004i6b7f6d99he265a13b228a49be@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Congratulations :) May I suggest Dynebolic, which comes with Cinelerra pre-installed. Not from experience, just from intuition. I just use Dyne for audio so far. Carlo From rlrevell at joe-job.com Wed Oct 25 17:04:11 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Wed Oct 25 17:04:31 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: E17 - our choice of WM in the future? In-Reply-To: <5bdc1c8b0610251345q65d72ac4mfb8dfd833347d021@mail.gmail.com> References: <20061025123237.EC3BB3A6B42C@music.columbia.edu> <200610251230.15819.lau@kudla.org> <1161796034.2309.89.camel@localhost.localdomain> <200610251320.00171.lau@kudla.org> <1161807211.2309.109.camel@localhost.localdomain> <5bdc1c8b0610251331x783d7978w1a11553129a2c9ef@mail.gmail.com> <1161808837.2309.115.camel@localhost.localdomain> <5bdc1c8b0610251345q65d72ac4mfb8dfd833347d021@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1161810252.3982.354.camel@mindpipe> On Wed, 2006-10-25 at 13:45 -0700, Mark Knecht wrote: > OK - I completely understand and completely agree. However I think the > 'printing in Linux' problem seems to go so far beyond the desktop > environment it's scary. Printing is jsut damnably hard in Linux no > matter how you try it. I have printers all around the house. With a > lot of work I can get one or two of them to be available to different > machines, but we run into formatting issues. The HP printer attached > to this AMD64 Gentoo box gives different results with the same > document printed from my wife's box or my son's box or even printed > from here. PostScript printers work perfectly. Don't blame Linux, blame the proliferation of Win-Printers. Some of that junk needs a 100MB Windows driver! Lee From rj at spamatica.se Wed Oct 25 17:07:31 2006 From: rj at spamatica.se (Robert Jonsson) Date: Wed Oct 25 17:05:24 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: E17 - our choice of WM in the future? In-Reply-To: <1161809092.3982.341.camel@mindpipe> References: <20061025123237.EC3BB3A6B42C@music.columbia.edu> <20061025203656.GH17907@fliwatut.scifi> <1161809092.3982.341.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <200610252307.31661.rj@spamatica.se> On Wednesday 25 October 2006 22:44, Lee Revell wrote: > On Wed, 2006-10-25 at 22:36 +0200, Frank Barknecht wrote: > > I guess something like Print is in the context menu of a lot of GUI > > environments. It is in Windows, I guess it should be in Gnome as well. > > Really? So you can right click->print a Word doc in Explorer and it > will print without opening Word? I don't remember Windows doing this... Not all is bad on the dark side. Windows has a quite well working componentized framework for things like this. The print component associated with the document at hand will be instantiated without the entire app needs to be launched (atleast not visibly). Many things on the dark side are however so horribly wrong... After atleast 5 years of being free of windows I have very recently been forced back due to work... some things just drives me nuts, I'm making a list ;-). /Robert -- http://spamatica.se/musicsite/ From t_w_ at freenet.de Wed Oct 25 17:10:39 2006 From: t_w_ at freenet.de (Thorsten Wilms) Date: Wed Oct 25 17:11:11 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Music: Running Through The Night on drums Message-ID: <20061025211039.GC5626@charly.SWORD> Hi! So after some final tweaks it's done. Will J Godfrey's "Running Through The Night" with my percussion and mixing: archive.org/details/running_through_the_night All chromatic sounds are the orginal ZynAddSubFX patches, plus a little additional Om for organ and the pads. I used Ardour to automate the tube amp plugin's gain and the rotary speaker speeds for my organ. Afterwards I found it was way too thin, but works fine as addition ... so much for relying on my sonic imagination ;) Otherwise sequencing and mixing happeded in MusE, as I prefer having MIDI and Audio in one place. Percussion is made up of a bunch of Om patches plus a single bar long Hydrogen loop. The goal was to get the beat rolling. I programmed it seperately with 105 BPM and some swing, sped it up to the final 140 BPM via Audacity to get that breakbeat sound. Oh, I also slowed it down to 70 BPM :) As usually, all comments and questions welcome! All my material can be had seperately on request. Thanks to Will for letting me work with his great material :) -- Thorsten Wilms From capocasa at gmx.net Wed Oct 25 17:11:15 2006 From: capocasa at gmx.net (Carlo Capocasa) Date: Wed Oct 25 17:12:23 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Fractal Music for Linux In-Reply-To: <4537B774.4070404@sbcglobal.net> References: <45378604.7040200@woh.rr.com> <4537B774.4070404@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: > Seems to me that fractals are complex by nature. If you want a tool > that will realy let you generate music with math equations, that will > probably be complex too. Disagree on that one. Evidence in my favor is XaoS, or the Gimp fractal browser. I'm looking for the same thing. I resorted to prayer. Carlo From gnome at hawaii.rr.com Wed Oct 25 17:20:21 2006 From: gnome at hawaii.rr.com (david) Date: Wed Oct 25 17:20:36 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: E17 - our choice of WM in the future? In-Reply-To: <1161810252.3982.354.camel@mindpipe> References: <20061025123237.EC3BB3A6B42C@music.columbia.edu> <200610251230.15819.lau@kudla.org> <1161796034.2309.89.camel@localhost.localdomain> <200610251320.00171.lau@kudla.org> <1161807211.2309.109.camel@localhost.localdomain> <5bdc1c8b0610251331x783d7978w1a11553129a2c9ef@mail.gmail.com> <1161808837.2309.115.camel@localhost.localdomain> <5bdc1c8b0610251345q65d72ac4mfb8dfd833347d021@mail.gmail.com> <1161810252.3982.354.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <453FD515.2090504@hawaii.rr.com> Lee Revell wrote: > On Wed, 2006-10-25 at 13:45 -0700, Mark Knecht wrote: >> OK - I completely understand and completely agree. However I think the >> 'printing in Linux' problem seems to go so far beyond the desktop >> environment it's scary. Printing is jsut damnably hard in Linux no >> matter how you try it. I have printers all around the house. With a >> lot of work I can get one or two of them to be available to different >> machines, but we run into formatting issues. The HP printer attached >> to this AMD64 Gentoo box gives different results with the same >> document printed from my wife's box or my son's box or even printed >> from here. > > PostScript printers work perfectly. Don't blame Linux, blame the > proliferation of Win-Printers. Some of that junk needs a 100MB Windows > driver! HP can be a problem even with Linux. I use the Generic Postscript driver with my HP LJ1200 (non-WinPrinter BTW). My wife's Linux laptop uses the HP LJ1200 Linux driver for it. I've been told that the HP driver uses HP PCL behind the scenes, not Postscript. So you get different fonts and different font renderings, not to mention only half the resolution ... -- David gnome@hawaii.rr.com authenticity, honesty, community From cave.dnb at tiscali.fr Wed Oct 25 17:38:35 2006 From: cave.dnb at tiscali.fr (Nigel Henry) Date: Wed Oct 25 17:39:12 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Music: Running Through The Night on drums In-Reply-To: <20061025211039.GC5626@charly.SWORD> References: <20061025211039.GC5626@charly.SWORD> Message-ID: <200610252338.36265.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> On Wednesday 25 October 2006 23:10, Thorsten Wilms wrote: > Hi! > > So after some final tweaks it's done. Will J Godfrey's "Running > Through The Night" with my percussion and mixing: > > archive.org/details/running_through_the_night http://www.archive.org/details/running_through_the_night > > > All chromatic sounds are the orginal ZynAddSubFX patches, > plus a little additional Om for organ and the pads. > > I used Ardour to automate the tube amp plugin's gain and the > rotary speaker speeds for my organ. Afterwards I found it was way > too thin, but works fine as addition ... so much for relying on my > sonic imagination ;) > > Otherwise sequencing and mixing happeded in MusE, as I prefer > having MIDI and Audio in one place. > > Percussion is made up of a bunch of Om patches plus a single bar > long Hydrogen loop. The goal was to get the beat rolling. > I programmed it seperately with 105 BPM and some swing, sped it > up to the final 140 BPM via Audacity to get that breakbeat sound. > Oh, I also slowed it down to 70 BPM :) > > > As usually, all comments and questions welcome! > All my material can be had seperately on request. > > Thanks to Will for letting me work with his great material :) > > -- > Thorsten Wilms Just got to listen to this now. Nigel. From mprims at skynet.be Wed Oct 25 17:48:26 2006 From: mprims at skynet.be (mik) Date: Wed Oct 25 17:48:16 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: E17 - our choice of WM in the future? In-Reply-To: <1161808837.2309.115.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <20061025123237.EC3BB3A6B42C@music.columbia.edu> <200610251230.15819.lau@kudla.org> <1161796034.2309.89.camel@localhost.localdomain> <200610251320.00171.lau@kudla.org> <1161807211.2309.109.camel@localhost.localdomain> <5bdc1c8b0610251331x783d7978w1a11553129a2c9ef@mail.gmail.com> <1161808837.2309.115.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <453FDBAA.60607@skynet.be> Paul Davis schreef: > actually, no. i am not talking about a "Run command" style interface. i > am simply amazed that whenever i go to show my wife or kids a document > that they should print but that needs no editing (e.g. my wife's resume, > a picture one of them took, etc etc), neither i nor they can find anyway > to do so without going into a heavyweight app and then doing the usual > File->Print method. > > coming from a command line background, it seems ridiculous that the file > managers/browsers have all omitted to leverage the power of lpr and its > filter system. > in nautilus you can add that functionality with a script. m -- http://www.mprims.net From gnome at hawaii.rr.com Wed Oct 25 17:59:39 2006 From: gnome at hawaii.rr.com (david) Date: Wed Oct 25 17:59:50 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Fractal Music for Linux In-Reply-To: References: <45378604.7040200@woh.rr.com> <4537B774.4070404@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <453FDE4B.1060803@hawaii.rr.com> Carlo Capocasa wrote: >> Seems to me that fractals are complex by nature. If you want a tool >> that will realy let you generate music with math equations, that will >> probably be complex too. > > Disagree on that one. Evidence in my favor is XaoS, or the Gimp fractal > browser. > > I'm looking for the same thing. I resorted to prayer. Hmm, here's some links that I found: http://lac.zkm.de/2005/papers/georg_boenn.pdf http://www.iua.upf.es/mtg/publications/DEA-2003-RubenHinojosa.pdf http://sound.condorow.net/swss.html http://members.tripod.com/~paulwhalley/ (Windows app) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Algorithmic_music http://www.synthzone.com/compgen.htm http://www.nosuch.com/tjt/tunetoys.html http://music.columbia.edu/cmc/courses/g6610/fall2003/week3/index.html I used to have a DOS program here called (I think) Fractal-To-Midi (FTM) that did a good job of turning images into MIDI event lists. The demo files that came with it were nice. I could never find software that could take the output of the program and turn it into real MIDI files for use in anything else, though. -- David gnome@hawaii.rr.com authenticity, honesty, community From ico at vt.edu Wed Oct 25 18:25:06 2006 From: ico at vt.edu (Ivica Ico Bukvic) Date: Wed Oct 25 18:25:18 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: E17 - our choice of WM in the future? In-Reply-To: <453FDBAA.60607@skynet.be> Message-ID: <001e01c6f884$6ec6c650$0b00a8c0@64BitBadass> > in nautilus you can add that functionality with a script. I think it is way overdue for Linux WMs to move out of the "can" and join the "do" realm. It is frustrating to see so much effort right now being poured into desktop candy which is only skin deep, because once a desktop user realizes that their printer, or their video, or their WPA wireless, or their "just work," they'll simply give up on it. And before we go off on a tangent, yes, it is not Linux's fault that certain vendors are dubiously guarding their little patented zeros and ones, but at least we could have a joint effort between WMs, Linux distros, and hardware vendors to generate "safe" setups which "just work" and therefore reward those companies who truly are worthy of our hard-earned income. Until all these pieces are in place, not much will change in the Linux desktop world... Best wishes, Ico From pinojazz at gmail.com Wed Oct 25 18:56:01 2006 From: pinojazz at gmail.com (Carlos Pino) Date: Wed Oct 25 18:56:10 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] More music at the Archive In-Reply-To: <453F6BC3.9000504@woh.rr.com> References: <453F6BC3.9000504@woh.rr.com> Message-ID: <453FEB81.8040604@gmail.com> Dave Phillips escribio': > Greetings: > > http://www.archive.org/details/SonatinaForAnImaginaryGuitarist > > More Gebrauchsmusik for early-21st-century swingers. > > Best, > > dp > > Muy bonito ! Cheers. -- Carlos. From jdboyd at jdboyd.net Wed Oct 25 18:55:37 2006 From: jdboyd at jdboyd.net (Joshua Boyd) Date: Wed Oct 25 19:10:48 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: E17 - our choice of WM in the future? In-Reply-To: <1161796034.2309.89.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <20061025123237.EC3BB3A6B42C@music.columbia.edu> <200610251230.15819.lau@kudla.org> <1161796034.2309.89.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <20061025225537.GA740@jdboyd> On Wed, Oct 25, 2006 at 01:07:14PM -0400, Paul Davis wrote: > On Wed, 2006-10-25 at 12:30 -0400, Rob wrote: > > "To do anything you want on this Linux machine you > > will never need to see a command line or edit a config file." > > out of interest, how do you print a document without a command line and > without going into a document editor of some kind? Order an underling to do it? Pay someone to write code that lets you right click on the document in Nautilus and select Print? Actually, I wonder how hard that would be to set up for files that are either recognized by cups and/or use CLI programs to render them (DVI, TeX, Docbook, etc). A bit of a cheat, but currently you can right click on assorted files, select Open With -> Open with Other Application, then enter lpr in the custom command field. Seeing as there is also Open with Document Viewer (see, that's not an editor!), Open with "PDF Viewer", Open with XPDF, and as of a few seconds ago, Open with "lpr", there must be a way to add a Print option in a config file somewhere. -- Joshua D. Boyd jdboyd@jdboyd.net http://www.jdboyd.net/ http://www.joshuaboyd.org/ From jdboyd at jdboyd.net Wed Oct 25 18:56:16 2006 From: jdboyd at jdboyd.net (Joshua Boyd) Date: Wed Oct 25 19:11:48 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: E17 - our choice of WM in the future? In-Reply-To: <20061025193026.GF17907@fliwatut.scifi> References: <20061025123237.EC3BB3A6B42C@music.columbia.edu> <200610251230.15819.lau@kudla.org> <1161796034.2309.89.camel@localhost.localdomain> <200610251320.00171.lau@kudla.org> <20061025190808.GE17907@fliwatut.scifi> <18b65aac0610251211g7210bc82ob97d75fda62c526b@mail.gmail.com> <20061025193026.GF17907@fliwatut.scifi> Message-ID: <20061025225616.GB740@jdboyd> On Wed, Oct 25, 2006 at 09:30:26PM +0200, Frank Barknecht wrote: > Hallo, > Brett W. McCoy hat gesagt: // Brett W. McCoy wrote: > > > On 10/25/06, Frank Barknecht wrote: > > > > >But at work I have to use Windows XP, where I'm really missing my > > >trusted powerful bash. I think this is at least as bad as having to > > >drop to the command line now and then on Linux. > > > > That's what CygWin is for. :-) > > Unfortunately it's not installed everywhere. :( Carry it on a thumb drive? -- Joshua D. Boyd jdboyd@jdboyd.net http://www.jdboyd.net/ http://www.joshuaboyd.org/ From jdboyd at jdboyd.net Wed Oct 25 18:58:36 2006 From: jdboyd at jdboyd.net (Joshua Boyd) Date: Wed Oct 25 19:13:51 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: E17 - our choice of WM in the future? In-Reply-To: <1161809092.3982.341.camel@mindpipe> References: <20061025123237.EC3BB3A6B42C@music.columbia.edu> <200610251230.15819.lau@kudla.org> <1161796034.2309.89.camel@localhost.localdomain> <200610251320.00171.lau@kudla.org> <1161807211.2309.109.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20061025203656.GH17907@fliwatut.scifi> <1161809092.3982.341.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <20061025225836.GC740@jdboyd> On Wed, Oct 25, 2006 at 04:44:51PM -0400, Lee Revell wrote: > On Wed, 2006-10-25 at 22:36 +0200, Frank Barknecht wrote: > > I guess something like Print is in the context menu of a lot of GUI > > environments. It is in Windows, I guess it should be in Gnome as well. > > Really? So you can right click->print a Word doc in Explorer and it > will print without opening Word? I don't remember Windows doing this... I would imagine that some Word .dlls would be opened for the calls to the relevent Word COM objects. -- Joshua D. Boyd jdboyd@jdboyd.net http://www.jdboyd.net/ http://www.joshuaboyd.org/ From lau at kudla.org Wed Oct 25 19:12:29 2006 From: lau at kudla.org (Rob) Date: Wed Oct 25 19:15:19 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: E17 - our choice of WM in the future? In-Reply-To: <1161807211.2309.109.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <20061025123237.EC3BB3A6B42C@music.columbia.edu> <200610251320.00171.lau@kudla.org> <1161807211.2309.109.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <200610251912.30100.lau@kudla.org> On Wednesday 25 October 2006 16:13, Paul Davis wrote: > because in a command line environment i don't have to start up > an editor, i just type "lpr foo.txt". it seems to me that this > *must* be possible from the GUI equivalent, but in GNOME at > least i cannot find it. Actually, under KDE, there's an "Actions/Print" context menu item, but personally I open the file in its designated app and print from there. It seems to be missing in GNOME by default, but it's easy enough to press enter, wait a second, press control-P and enter again to queue it for printing. I do notice GNOME's file manager has an "Edit/Send To" menu item which you could use if you really want to just use lpr or enscript. Rob From jdboyd at jdboyd.net Wed Oct 25 19:01:31 2006 From: jdboyd at jdboyd.net (Joshua Boyd) Date: Wed Oct 25 19:17:15 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: E17 - our choice of WM in the future? In-Reply-To: <453FD515.2090504@hawaii.rr.com> References: <20061025123237.EC3BB3A6B42C@music.columbia.edu> <200610251230.15819.lau@kudla.org> <1161796034.2309.89.camel@localhost.localdomain> <200610251320.00171.lau@kudla.org> <1161807211.2309.109.camel@localhost.localdomain> <5bdc1c8b0610251331x783d7978w1a11553129a2c9ef@mail.gmail.com> <1161808837.2309.115.camel@localhost.localdomain> <5bdc1c8b0610251345q65d72ac4mfb8dfd833347d021@mail.gmail.com> <1161810252.3982.354.camel@mindpipe> <453FD515.2090504@hawaii.rr.com> Message-ID: <20061025230131.GD740@jdboyd> On Wed, Oct 25, 2006 at 11:20:21AM -1000, david wrote: > HP can be a problem even with Linux. I use the Generic Postscript driver > with my HP LJ1200 (non-WinPrinter BTW). My wife's Linux laptop uses the > HP LJ1200 Linux driver for it. I've been told that the HP driver uses HP > PCL behind the scenes, not Postscript. So you get different fonts and > different font renderings, not to mention only half the resolution ... I tried using PCL directly with my Business Inkjet 1200. I could get black and white working that way, but not color. I also tried attaching that printer to a Sun running Solaris and installing cups and the open source HP supplied drivers. It compiled fine and acted like it might work, but it locked up the printer every time. I ended up breaking down and attaching it to a Mac. Grr. -- Joshua D. Boyd jdboyd@jdboyd.net http://www.jdboyd.net/ http://www.joshuaboyd.org/ From rlrevell at joe-job.com Wed Oct 25 19:37:04 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Wed Oct 25 19:37:23 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: E17 - our choice of WM in the future? In-Reply-To: <20061025225537.GA740@jdboyd> References: <20061025123237.EC3BB3A6B42C@music.columbia.edu> <200610251230.15819.lau@kudla.org> <1161796034.2309.89.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20061025225537.GA740@jdboyd> Message-ID: <1161819425.3982.394.camel@mindpipe> On Wed, 2006-10-25 at 18:55 -0400, Joshua Boyd wrote: > On Wed, Oct 25, 2006 at 01:07:14PM -0400, Paul Davis wrote: > > On Wed, 2006-10-25 at 12:30 -0400, Rob wrote: > > > "To do anything you want on this Linux machine you > > > will never need to see a command line or edit a config file." > > > > out of interest, how do you print a document without a command line and > > without going into a document editor of some kind? > > Order an underling to do it? > > Pay someone to write code that lets you right click on the document in > Nautilus and select Print? I wonder if someone from Gnome is working on it already... Lee From lau at kudla.org Wed Oct 25 19:40:50 2006 From: lau at kudla.org (Rob) Date: Wed Oct 25 19:42:08 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: E17 - our choice of WM in the future? In-Reply-To: <1161808837.2309.115.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <20061025123237.EC3BB3A6B42C@music.columbia.edu> <5bdc1c8b0610251331x783d7978w1a11553129a2c9ef@mail.gmail.com> <1161808837.2309.115.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <200610251940.50607.lau@kudla.org> On Wednesday 25 October 2006 16:40, Paul Davis wrote: > coming from a command line background, it seems ridiculous > that the file managers/browsers have all omitted to leverage > the power of lpr and its filter system. You do realize that most office document and image formats are not plain text, PDF or Postscript, right? Because for all of lpr's power, those are the only common formats it handles as far as I know, and running "my-resume.odt" through lpr will waste a lot of paper pretty fast. Rob From lau at kudla.org Wed Oct 25 19:38:28 2006 From: lau at kudla.org (Rob) Date: Wed Oct 25 19:42:20 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: E17 - our choice of WM in the future? In-Reply-To: <20061025203656.GH17907@fliwatut.scifi> References: <20061025123237.EC3BB3A6B42C@music.columbia.edu> <1161807211.2309.109.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20061025203656.GH17907@fliwatut.scifi> Message-ID: <200610251938.29356.lau@kudla.org> On Wednesday 25 October 2006 16:36, Frank Barknecht wrote: > If you want to print or if you want to run a word count, if > you want to upload with scp or whatever: It's all there. To my > knowledge the command line is the most flexible and powerful > "context menu" invented so far. I've been using Unix for 20 years and Linux for 12, so for me, yeah, I probably use the command line more than the context menus. But we're not talking about you or me, we're talking about people who are using "something else" and who thinks visually (a GNOME developer would say spatially, but I don't necessarily agree) rather than in code. Even for my own purposes, I end up in the GUI a lot even if it's just mc or rox (if I'm using icewm.) Suppose I want to burn 600MB of the largest files (out of a directory containing hundreds of files and several gigs) to a CD. This is something I do fairly often, with various changes to the criteria, in both my personal life and business. Click the Size column, start dragging until the file manager tells me I've got 600MB, right-click, "Actions/Create Data CD" (under KDE, dunno about GNOME since I haven't been using it long.) To select those files at the command line, I would have to sit there and read man pages for far longer than it would take to burn the actual CD. I'd probably end up writing a perl one-liner that called mkisofs and cdrecord. Suppose I want to delete all the files I created since midnight in a directory.... I could try to do it from memory ("find -mmin -1200 -type f | xargs rm -f" as I type this, roughly, right? but I'd run it without the "rm" first just to be sure...) or I could do it in like 10 seconds by sorting by date in the file manager, selecting and deleting. More relevant to this list, ever tried to use mp3cut and xmms from the command line to trim an mp3 file? I personally find it annoying, and will put up with an additional encoding generation just to open the file in Audacity and see the waveform as I'm trimming it. Needless to say, I've never even used command line tools to trim a wav file, since there's no downside to using Audacity. People who aren't coders or admins usually don't even have the option to remember the commands we learned years ago, and even if someone taught them, most people just don't think that way. The only way most people are even able to use computers is to think of directories and web pages as physical places, daemons and files as physical objects, and their dragging and dropping as literal physical actions rather than a metaphor. In summary: "Well, the command line works fine for me" is not a valid counter-argument to "I want to be able to tell my non-technical users that they'll never have to use a command line." Rob From mprims at skynet.be Wed Oct 25 19:44:25 2006 From: mprims at skynet.be (mik) Date: Wed Oct 25 19:44:43 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: E17 - our choice of WM in the future? In-Reply-To: <20061025225537.GA740@jdboyd> References: <20061025123237.EC3BB3A6B42C@music.columbia.edu> <200610251230.15819.lau@kudla.org> <1161796034.2309.89.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20061025225537.GA740@jdboyd> Message-ID: <453FF6D9.5030005@skynet.be> Joshua Boyd schreef: > > Pay someone to write code that lets you right click on the document in > Nautilus and select Print? Actually, I wonder how hard that would be to > set up for files that are either recognized by cups and/or use CLI > programs to render them (DVI, TeX, Docbook, etc). A bit of a cheat, but > currently you can right click on assorted files, select Open With -> > Open with Other Application, then enter lpr in the custom command field. > Seeing as there is also Open with Document Viewer (see, that's not an > editor!), Open with "PDF Viewer", Open with XPDF, and as of a few > seconds ago, Open with "lpr", there must be a way to add a Print option > in a config file somewhere. > as i said: a script will do that. put the following script in your nautilus-scripts folder and call it print: #!/bin/sh lpr $* now, when you right click, you will have the option "print" under "Scripts". i can't check if it works though. my printer (dj 710c) does not work in amd64. m -- http://www.mprims.net From lau at kudla.org Wed Oct 25 19:43:26 2006 From: lau at kudla.org (Rob) Date: Wed Oct 25 19:45:06 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: E17 - our choice of WM in the future? In-Reply-To: <453FDBAA.60607@skynet.be> References: <20061025123237.EC3BB3A6B42C@music.columbia.edu> <1161808837.2309.115.camel@localhost.localdomain> <453FDBAA.60607@skynet.be> Message-ID: <200610251943.26440.lau@kudla.org> On Wednesday 25 October 2006 17:48, mik wrote: > in nautilus you can add that functionality with a script. "You" might be able to, and I'm sure I could, but a user who doesn't know what a bash prompt or a configuration file is? Rob From mprims at skynet.be Wed Oct 25 19:55:03 2006 From: mprims at skynet.be (mik) Date: Wed Oct 25 19:55:04 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: E17 - our choice of WM in the future? In-Reply-To: <200610251943.26440.lau@kudla.org> References: <20061025123237.EC3BB3A6B42C@music.columbia.edu> <1161808837.2309.115.camel@localhost.localdomain> <453FDBAA.60607@skynet.be> <200610251943.26440.lau@kudla.org> Message-ID: <453FF957.6000309@skynet.be> Rob schreef: > On Wednesday 25 October 2006 17:48, mik wrote: >> in nautilus you can add that functionality with a script. > > "You" might be able to, and I'm sure I could, but a user who > doesn't know what a bash prompt or a configuration file is? > > Rob > well, then the distributions should start installing these scripts, some of which have been around for a long time (http://g-scripts.sourceforge.net/), by default. i'm surprised the ubuntu people didn't think of that yet. m -- http://www.mprims.net From paul at linuxaudiosystems.com Wed Oct 25 20:35:42 2006 From: paul at linuxaudiosystems.com (Paul Davis) Date: Wed Oct 25 20:37:11 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: E17 - our choice of WM in the future? In-Reply-To: <200610251940.50607.lau@kudla.org> References: <20061025123237.EC3BB3A6B42C@music.columbia.edu> <5bdc1c8b0610251331x783d7978w1a11553129a2c9ef@mail.gmail.com> <1161808837.2309.115.camel@localhost.localdomain> <200610251940.50607.lau@kudla.org> Message-ID: <1161822942.2309.132.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Wed, 2006-10-25 at 19:40 -0400, Rob wrote: > On Wednesday 25 October 2006 16:40, Paul Davis wrote: > > coming from a command line background, it seems ridiculous > > that the file managers/browsers have all omitted to leverage > > the power of lpr and its filter system. > > You do realize that most office document and image formats are > not plain text, PDF or Postscript, right? Because for all of > lpr's power, those are the only common formats it handles as far > as I know, and running "my-resume.odt" through lpr will waste a > lot of paper pretty fast. my family is well trained to consider only PDF as a portable "final" image format. PostScript is an acceptable second. ODT, .tex, .doc are all considered "unstable, in-progress formats". this is reinforced by the kids' schools which use homework upload sites that accept PDFs (they also accept .doc, but i tend not to call attention to that). when my wife needs to print more gift certificates for her massage therapy clients, or directions to a house party, or her resume for another mosaic mural residency, she has PDF's finished and ready to go. from the command line, its so easy, from a GUI, it seems more work than it should be. --p From paniq at paniq.org Wed Oct 25 20:41:54 2006 From: paniq at paniq.org (Leonard "paniq" Ritter) Date: Wed Oct 25 20:50:39 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: E17 - our choice of WM in the future? In-Reply-To: <1161808935.3982.337.camel@mindpipe> References: <20061025123237.EC3BB3A6B42C@music.columbia.edu> <200610251230.15819.lau@kudla.org> <1161796034.2309.89.camel@localhost.localdomain> <200610251320.00171.lau@kudla.org> <20061025190808.GE17907@fliwatut.scifi> <18b65aac0610251211g7210bc82ob97d75fda62c526b@mail.gmail.com> <20061025193026.GF17907@fliwatut.scifi> <1161808295.6083.0.camel@localhost> <1161808935.3982.337.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <1161823314.8909.0.camel@localhost> On Wed, 2006-10-25 at 16:42 -0400, Lee Revell wrote: > Are you kidding? It has the perfect package manager! > > Start->Run->http://cygwin.com/setup.exe and just click through... that is what i mean. there is no command line tool to quickly add a package, and the package manager itself is quite weird... compared to synaptics, for example. -- -- Leonard Ritter -- http://www.leonard-ritter.com -- http://www.paniq.org From lala.land at freenet.de Wed Oct 25 21:16:53 2006 From: lala.land at freenet.de (freak) Date: Wed Oct 25 21:17:17 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: E17 - our choice of WM in the future? In-Reply-To: <1161823314.8909.0.camel@localhost> References: <20061025123237.EC3BB3A6B42C@music.columbia.edu> <200610251230.15819.lau@kudla.org> <1161796034.2309.89.camel@localhost.localdomain> <200610251320.00171.lau@kudla.org> <20061025190808.GE17907@fliwatut.scifi> <18b65aac0610251211g7210bc82ob97d75fda62c526b@mail.gmail.com> <20061025193026.GF17907@fliwatut.scifi> <1161808295.6083.0.camel@localhost> <1161808935.3982.337.camel@mindpipe> <1161823314.8909.0.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <45400C85.1010007@freenet.de> Leonard "paniq" Ritter schrieb: > On Wed, 2006-10-25 at 16:42 -0400, Lee Revell wrote: > >> Are you kidding? It has the perfect package manager! >> >> Start->Run->http://cygwin.com/setup.exe and just click through... >> > > that is what i mean. there is no command line tool to quickly add a > package, and the package manager itself is quite weird... compared to > synaptics, for example. > > smart isnt that bad...;) but clicking through is nice too hehe :) From lau at ballen.fastmail.fm Wed Oct 25 21:36:12 2006 From: lau at ballen.fastmail.fm (Bill Allen) Date: Wed Oct 25 21:36:40 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Does anybody actually perform with ZynAddSubFX? In-Reply-To: <453F36AF.3090102@linuxuse.de> References: <20061025065538.73660.qmail@web52209.mail.yahoo.com> <453F36AF.3090102@linuxuse.de> Message-ID: <4540110C.4070204@ballen.fastmail.fm> Hartmut Noack wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Drucer Ninetynine schrieb: > >> --- carmen <_@whats-your.name> wrote: >> > > >> Is anybody actually still developing ZynAddSubFX or do >> we have to get along with the latest release for the >> rest of the time we use it? >> > > Nasca O Paul is still developing it, yet at a slower pace. He reads and > answers in this forum: > http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=47 > > let us all hope, that Master Paul keeps working on it, he is sometimes > somewhat weired but a singular genius too ;-) > > Really a shame is, that AMS is not actively developed anymore. The > latest versions of ams are absolutely first-class quality software at a > level often sorely missed with many other projects. And that it still > works like a charm in recent systems even adds a lot of admiration for > Matthias Nagorni and Fons Andriaensen. > By the way: (C) of ams is by Suse/Novell so those should be asked, why > the good work is cut... > It's good to hear that zyn is still being developed. It really is a beautiful synth. I have to agree about AMS. Matthias was really cooking up something great with this software and I'm afraid it'll never be upgraded. From lau at kudla.org Wed Oct 25 22:31:56 2006 From: lau at kudla.org (Rob) Date: Wed Oct 25 22:35:46 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: E17 - our choice of WM in the future? In-Reply-To: <1161822942.2309.132.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <20061025123237.EC3BB3A6B42C@music.columbia.edu> <200610251940.50607.lau@kudla.org> <1161822942.2309.132.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <200610252231.56699.lau@kudla.org> On Wednesday 25 October 2006 20:35, Paul Davis wrote: > my family is well trained > from the command line, its so easy, > from a GUI, it seems more work than it should be. Sure, if you dictate the use of only certain file formats, and ensure that your handful of users are "well trained", you can claim that anything's easier than the alternative. But then you haven't made the computer easier, just trained people to use something that they would previously have considered hard. Computers don't usually come with free training, much less training that includes concepts like ".doc is an unstable, in-progress format". Nonetheless, I'm still optimistic that the day when users have the option to be productive under Linux without a command line is not that far off. Rob From paul at linuxaudiosystems.com Wed Oct 25 22:45:36 2006 From: paul at linuxaudiosystems.com (Paul Davis) Date: Wed Oct 25 22:45:46 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: E17 - our choice of WM in the future? In-Reply-To: <200610252231.56699.lau@kudla.org> References: <20061025123237.EC3BB3A6B42C@music.columbia.edu> <200610251940.50607.lau@kudla.org> <1161822942.2309.132.camel@localhost.localdomain> <200610252231.56699.lau@kudla.org> Message-ID: <1161830737.2309.144.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Wed, 2006-10-25 at 22:31 -0400, Rob wrote: > On Wednesday 25 October 2006 20:35, Paul Davis wrote: > > my family is well trained > > > from the command line, its so easy, > > from a GUI, it seems more work than it should be. > > Sure, if you dictate the use of only certain file formats, lpr is remarkably forgiving of most of the things we throw at it. maybe the kids should try printing mp3 files ;) > and > ensure that your handful of users are "well trained", you can > claim that anything's easier than the alternative. But then you > haven't made the computer easier, just trained people to use > something that they would previously have considered hard. "Export to PDF" once, lpr-print many, versus "fire up ooffice every time you want to print" ... not sure which of those is harder. > Computers don't usually come with free training, much less > training that includes concepts like ".doc is an unstable, > in-progress format". the training for this actually is free. its duration varies depending on how many documents you try to exchange and with how many other users who believe that handle "word documents". for our kids, it didn't too many shared homework assignments in which they found that their lab partners couldn't share .doc files written on different windows or mac machines (even ignoring linux) before this lesson was easily learnt, with very little input from me. > Nonetheless, I'm still optimistic that the day when users have > the option to be productive under Linux without a command line > is not that far off. me too. From dlphillips at woh.rr.com Wed Oct 25 23:34:10 2006 From: dlphillips at woh.rr.com (Dave Phillips) Date: Wed Oct 25 23:06:38 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [Music] I'm on a roll here Message-ID: <45402CB2.7040202@woh.rr.com> Greetings: http://www.archive.org/details/Trio05ForFluteGuitarAndHarp The last in a series written for one of my students. Shamelessly ripping off Donovan ! Clean fun for the entire family. Best, dp From marcospcmusica at gmail.com Wed Oct 25 18:29:15 2006 From: marcospcmusica at gmail.com (Marcos Guglielmetti) Date: Wed Oct 25 23:29:45 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] is there a really FREE (as in freedom) Linuxsampler version? Message-ID: <200610260029.15792.marcospcmusica@gmail.com> I mean: is there a previous version without this non-comercial clausule? Thanks, -- Marcos Guglielmetti * Director del desarrollo de Musix GNU+Linux, 100% Software Libre * CD Donwload: (http://www.musix.org.ar/en/) * Videos, programas y otras cosas en: ftp://musix.ourproject.org/pub/musix/ * Reporte de errores a: https://www.musix.org.ar/wiki/index.php?title=Problemas-Bugs *IRC: #musix channel on freenode * Torrent Download: https://e.ututo.org.ar/utiles/torrent/MusixGNU-Linux0.59.iso.torrent From chris at mccormick.cx Wed Oct 25 23:43:19 2006 From: chris at mccormick.cx (Chris McCormick) Date: Wed Oct 25 23:54:29 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: E17 - our choice of WM in the future? In-Reply-To: <5bdc1c8b0610251331x783d7978w1a11553129a2c9ef@mail.gmail.com> References: <20061025123237.EC3BB3A6B42C@music.columbia.edu> <200610251230.15819.lau@kudla.org> <1161796034.2309.89.camel@localhost.localdomain> <200610251320.00171.lau@kudla.org> <1161807211.2309.109.camel@localhost.localdomain> <5bdc1c8b0610251331x783d7978w1a11553129a2c9ef@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20061026034319.GA17238@mccormick.cx> On Wed, Oct 25, 2006 at 01:31:03PM -0700, Mark Knecht wrote: > On 10/25/06, Paul Davis wrote: > > Do you mean something like the Windows 'Run' command? On the off-topic of Run-command I want to recommend fbrun to fluxbox/blackbox/openbox users. I don't ever use the right-click menu any more; I have fbrun bound to alt-tilde and then type the name of the application i want into the box (or most of it and press tab). Fbrun disappears as soon as the application launches. I have xterm bound to a different keypress for complicated tasks. It just makes launching apps so much quicker. Whilst I don't advocate that for users, one of my musician friends is completely non-technical and thought that taht was the coolest thing he'd ever seen. He said he hates having to wade through menus and click icons all the time. Best, Chris. ------------------- chris@mccormick.cx http://mccormick.cx From chris at mccormick.cx Wed Oct 25 23:55:37 2006 From: chris at mccormick.cx (Chris McCormick) Date: Thu Oct 26 00:06:38 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] E17 - our choice of WM in the future? In-Reply-To: <1161779532.5475.12.camel@localhost> References: <20061025104229.10208.qmail@web52212.mail.yahoo.com> <1161779532.5475.12.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <20061026035537.GB17238@mccormick.cx> On Wed, Oct 25, 2006 at 02:32:12PM +0200, Leonard paniq Ritter wrote: > let the flamewar begin! e17 looks ugly! Whilst I realise that this is probably humorous trolling, I think I can safely say that most people would disagree with you. An E17 live CD singlehandedly convinced my girlfriend that she'd rather run Linux than Windows. She thought it was the best thing she'd ever seen, and I remember specifically that she said it "looks better than Apple". Unfortunately she couldn't use it because at that stage E17 didn't do everything a WM needs to. Might be time to give it another shot. So there you have it, E17 gets you chicks. ;) Best, Chris. ------------------- chris@mccormick.cx http://mccormick.cx From hardbop200 at gmail.com Thu Oct 26 00:09:49 2006 From: hardbop200 at gmail.com (Josh Lawrence) Date: Thu Oct 26 00:10:04 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: E17 - our choice of WM in the future? In-Reply-To: <1161830737.2309.144.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <20061025123237.EC3BB3A6B42C@music.columbia.edu> <200610251940.50607.lau@kudla.org> <1161822942.2309.132.camel@localhost.localdomain> <200610252231.56699.lau@kudla.org> <1161830737.2309.144.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: On 10/25/06, Paul Davis wrote: > for our kids, it didn't too many shared homework assignments in which > they found that their lab partners couldn't share .doc files written on > different windows or mac machines (even ignoring linux) before this > lesson was easily learnt, with very little input from me. I wanted to add a hearty "amen" to this. I've had a really tough time moving people to Linux at work, mostly b/c, as they say, MS Office is compatible with itself, therefore we should stay on a platform that supports that (Windows). That argument is absolute bullshit, evidenced by the number of help desk calls I get per week of people complaining about Office not playing nice with itself. Now back to your regularly scheduled printing thread... :) -- Josh Lawrence http://www.hardbop200.com From _ at whats-your.name Thu Oct 26 01:32:19 2006 From: _ at whats-your.name (carmen) Date: Thu Oct 26 01:32:25 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] E17 - our choice of WM in the future? In-Reply-To: <20061026035537.GB17238@mccormick.cx> References: <20061025104229.10208.qmail@web52212.mail.yahoo.com> <1161779532.5475.12.camel@localhost> <20061026035537.GB17238@mccormick.cx> Message-ID: <20061026053219.GB1411@replic.net> On Thu Oct 26, 2006 at 11:55:37AM +0800, Chris McCormick wrote: > On Wed, Oct 25, 2006 at 02:32:12PM +0200, Leonard paniq Ritter wrote: > > let the flamewar begin! e17 looks ugly! > > Whilst I realise that this is probably humorous trolling, I think I > can safely say that most people would disagree with you. the e17 default theme is pretty damn ugly, however. and unless you want to spend 6 months learning how to compress .edje files into .ewz and then pack them into .eapp containers so .ebjx can load them, instead of say making music or using a window manager that doesnt take 106 MB of RAM, you probably cant make a better theme.. From _ at whats-your.name Thu Oct 26 01:35:38 2006 From: _ at whats-your.name (carmen) Date: Thu Oct 26 01:35:46 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] E17 - our choice of WM in the future? In-Reply-To: <20061026053219.GB1411@replic.net> References: <20061025104229.10208.qmail@web52212.mail.yahoo.com> <1161779532.5475.12.camel@localhost> <20061026035537.GB17238@mccormick.cx> <20061026053219.GB1411@replic.net> Message-ID: <20061026053538.GC1411@replic.net> > the e17 default theme is pretty damn ugly, however. and unless you want to spend 6 months learning how to compress .edje files into .ewz and then pack them into .eapp containers so .ebjx can load them, instead of say making music or using a window manager that doesnt take 106 MB of RAM, you probably cant make a better theme.. > although i made up some of those .eformats, similarly named ones do exist, and the RAM part is no lie. lat time i built it a few months ago, it took precisely 100 times as much RAM as the WM i'm currently using.. From nedko at arnaudov.name Thu Oct 26 02:11:23 2006 From: nedko at arnaudov.name (Nedko Arnaudov) Date: Thu Oct 26 02:11:29 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] jack_mixer - frist release In-Reply-To: <695e1a650610240736k4d57192bq6828dc4b08fcfae6@mail.gmail.com> (Hector Centeno's message of "Tue, 24 Oct 2006 10:36:32 -0400") References: <87y7rbqsbo.fsf@arnaudov.name> <87bqo24rby.fsf@esben-stien.name> <87hcxugmnm.fsf@arnaudov.name> <87y7r62di4.fsf@esben-stien.name> <695e1a650610240736k4d57192bq6828dc4b08fcfae6@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <8764e7ip2s.fsf@arnaudov.name> "Hector Centeno" writes: > Nice software! Thank you! > > I built it but at installation I get this error message: > > $ sudo make install > mkdir -p /usr/share/jack_mixer/ > cp _jack_mixer_c.so jack_mixer_c.py abspeak.py channel.py gui.py > jack_mixer.py meter.py scale.py serialization.py serialization_xml.py > slider.py jack_mixer.glade /usr/share/jack_mixer/ > ln -nfs /usr/share/jack_mixer/jack_mixer.py /usr/bin/jack_mixer > cp jack_mixer.schemas /etc/gconf/schemas > GCONF_CONFIG_SOURCE=`gconftool-2 --get-default-source` gconftool-2 > --makefile-install-rule /etc/gconf/schemas/jack_mixer.schemas > Resolved address "xml:merged:/etc/gconf/gconf.xml.defaults" to a > writable configuration source at position 0 > I/O warning : failed to load external entity > "/etc/gconf/schemas/jack_mixer.schemas" > Failed to open `/etc/gconf/schemas/jack_mixer.schemas': Not a directory > make: *** [install] Error 1 In GNUmakefile, change line 22: to INSTALL_GCONF_SCHEMAS_DIR=/usr/share/gconf/schemas > But I can run it and seems to be working. Do you have any idea why am > I getting this error? I'm using Ubuntu Edgy. The only thing you miss when gconf schema fails to install is gconf values descriptions (help text) and system wide defaults. Defaults should fallback to hardcoded ones (same as ones in supplied gconf schema). -- Nedko Arnaudov -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 188 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://music.columbia.edu/pipermail/linux-audio-user/attachments/20061026/740e1d2b/attachment.bin From nedko at arnaudov.name Thu Oct 26 02:23:38 2006 From: nedko at arnaudov.name (Nedko Arnaudov) Date: Thu Oct 26 02:23:34 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Does anybody actually perform with ZynAddSubFX? In-Reply-To: <1161804987.30646.5.camel@cpc3-cdif6-0-0-cust408.cdif.cable.ntl.com> (philicorda@ntlworld.com's message of "Wed, 25 Oct 2006 20:36:22 +0100") References: <20061025180128.49B253A8039D@music.columbia.edu> <1161804987.30646.5.camel@cpc3-cdif6-0-0-cust408.cdif.cable.ntl.com> Message-ID: <871wovioid.fsf@arnaudov.name> philicorda writes: > If there was a way to restrict polyphony I dont think this would be a > problem any more. I mentioned this on the Zyn list a while back. I beleive that changing POLIPHONY define around line 96 in globals.h and recompiling it will restrict poliphony. -- Nedko Arnaudov -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 188 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://music.columbia.edu/pipermail/linux-audio-user/attachments/20061026/d1535aed/attachment.bin From folderol at ukfsn.org Thu Oct 26 02:42:21 2006 From: folderol at ukfsn.org (Folderol) Date: Thu Oct 26 02:39:51 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Does anybody actually perform with ZynAddSubFX? In-Reply-To: <871wovioid.fsf@arnaudov.name> References: <20061025180128.49B253A8039D@music.columbia.edu> <1161804987.30646.5.camel@cpc3-cdif6-0-0-cust408.cdif.cable.ntl.com> <871wovioid.fsf@arnaudov.name> Message-ID: <20061026074221.20fda42e@localhost> On Thu, 26 Oct 2006 09:23:38 +0300 Nedko Arnaudov wrote: > philicorda writes: > > > If there was a way to restrict polyphony I dont think this would be a > > problem any more. I mentioned this on the Zyn list a while back. > > I beleive that changing POLIPHONY define around line 96 in globals.h and > recompiling it will restrict poliphony. I had forgotten about that. I wonder how easy it would be to change it from hard coding to a variable option. -- Will J G From fbar at footils.org Thu Oct 26 02:40:25 2006 From: fbar at footils.org (Frank Barknecht) Date: Thu Oct 26 02:41:50 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: E17 - our choice of WM in the future? In-Reply-To: <200610251938.29356.lau@kudla.org> References: <20061025123237.EC3BB3A6B42C@music.columbia.edu> <1161807211.2309.109.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20061025203656.GH17907@fliwatut.scifi> <200610251938.29356.lau@kudla.org> Message-ID: <20061026064025.GL17907@fliwatut.scifi> Hallo, Rob hat gesagt: // Rob wrote: > In summary: "Well, the command line works fine for me" is not a > valid counter-argument to "I want to be able to tell my > non-technical users that they'll never have to use a command > line." I'm trying to use it like that at all. As I wrote in my first mail: Nobody should have to use the command line. I'm just pointing out some problems of GUI based environments, but they don't make them unusable. For example even though I advocate the command line here, my preferred software for doing sound is Pure Data, a *graphical* programming tool. Some things I can better thing about "spatially" as well. Ciao -- Frank Barknecht _ ______footils.org_ __goto10.org__ From lau at kudla.org Thu Oct 26 03:26:24 2006 From: lau at kudla.org (Rob) Date: Thu Oct 26 03:27:16 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: E17 - our choice of WM in the future? In-Reply-To: <20061026064025.GL17907@fliwatut.scifi> References: <20061025123237.EC3BB3A6B42C@music.columbia.edu> <200610251938.29356.lau@kudla.org> <20061026064025.GL17907@fliwatut.scifi> Message-ID: <200610260326.24246.lau@kudla.org> On Thursday 26 October 2006 02:40, Frank Barknecht wrote: > For example even though I advocate the command line here, my > preferred software for doing sound is Pure Data, a *graphical* > programming tool. Some things I can better thing about > "spatially" as well. And it's funny, because I spent some time a couple years ago trying to figure out how to create Pd patches using a text editor or even drive Pd from scripts. Didn't get very far, but I like having options available to me. Rob From paniq at paniq.org Thu Oct 26 03:29:29 2006 From: paniq at paniq.org (Leonard "paniq" Ritter) Date: Thu Oct 26 03:29:37 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] E17 - our choice of WM in the future? In-Reply-To: <20061026035537.GB17238@mccormick.cx> References: <20061025104229.10208.qmail@web52212.mail.yahoo.com> <1161779532.5475.12.camel@localhost> <20061026035537.GB17238@mccormick.cx> Message-ID: <1161847769.8909.3.camel@localhost> On Thu, 2006-10-26 at 11:55 +0800, Chris McCormick wrote: > So there you have it, E17 gets you chicks. ;) dang ;) -- -- Leonard Ritter -- http://www.leonard-ritter.com -- http://www.paniq.org From pieterp at joow.be Thu Oct 26 04:36:52 2006 From: pieterp at joow.be (Pieter Palmers) Date: Thu Oct 26 04:37:04 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Focusrite Saffire Pro 26 I/O In-Reply-To: <4a29da9d0610251317m5971f468h1b2fb938e731cc6c@mail.gmail.com> References: <453408E8.4020100@gmail.com> <4a29da9d0610170930gba71db1t66dfdca1c914ebf4@mail.gmail.com> <45352A34.8020702@gmail.com> <4a29da9d0610251317m5971f468h1b2fb938e731cc6c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <454073A4.1020105@joow.be> Richard Taylor wrote: > Good news and bad news. Good news, recording does work. > Bad news, zero latency monitoring comes on by default and routes > itself to all the analog outputs so it's a bit useless really. > Maybe there's a setting somewhere i've missed - definately nothing > connected in jack tho. There might be a chance that the device remembers the last mixer setting on startup. So you what you can try is setting the mixer on a windows machine (if you have one available) and see if it's settings are retained on power cycles. The other option is to wait until we finish the mixer control. I know that the current code already contains most of the infrastructure to support this, but it's not finished. The difficulty (and opportunity) is that the interface is the same for all bebob devices, requiring it to be very flexible and hence pretty complicated. Daniel is the expert on this, maybe he can shed a light here. Maybe it's not very complicated to have a temporary tool that kills all zero-latency monitoring paths. Greets, Pieter > > On 17/10/06, Atte Andr? Jensen wrote: >> Richard Taylor wrote: >> >> > Don't have time to fiddle right now but will keep you >> > posted. >> >> Thanks for the info. Sounds promissing. Looking forward to hear about >> further investigations. >> >> -- >> peace, love & harmony >> Atte >> >> http://www.atte.dk | quintet: http://www.anagrammer.dk >> | compositions: http://www.atte.dk/compositions >> From tech at glastonburymusic.org.uk Thu Oct 26 04:43:47 2006 From: tech at glastonburymusic.org.uk (tim hall) Date: Thu Oct 26 04:44:03 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: E17 - our choice of WM in the future? In-Reply-To: <200610251230.15819.lau@kudla.org> References: <20061025123237.EC3BB3A6B42C@music.columbia.edu> <200610251230.15819.lau@kudla.org> Message-ID: <200610260943.47522.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> On Wednesday 25 October 2006 17:30, Rob was like: > These choices are not only for my own convenience, but because I > see a day in the future where I can seriously tell a pretty > normal user, "To do anything you want on this Linux machine you > will never need to see a command line or edit a config file." ? > It's already about 90% of the way there but then one of my > customers or my partner will ask me how to do something and I'll > have to grumble and open up Konsole. ? Yep, that's the issue for most set-ups. I find Ubuntu (gnome version) gets pretty close to this, so I put it on most of my public machines. Can't stand using it myself, mind you. ;) > E16 was popular with the tweaker set and I know e17 will be as > well. ?I personally have no use for weird bitmap themes or > partially transparent terminals or white-on-dark-brown color > schemes or weird ornamental fonts that make me feel like I'm > using a fake computer on the set of one of the CSI's or a > desktop interface that consists of "right click on the desktop > to do anything", and that's what I remember from e16. ?I think > you just have to be a little more, uh, elite than me to > appreciate that stuff. Dunno about elite, you just have to like and want it. Mmm, so I'll probably try E17 when I get time. Heh. :] -- cheers, tim hall http://glastonburymusic.org.uk/tim We are the people We've been waiting for. From fbar at footils.org Thu Oct 26 04:49:27 2006 From: fbar at footils.org (Frank Barknecht) Date: Thu Oct 26 04:50:24 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: E17 - our choice of WM in the future? In-Reply-To: <20061026064025.GL17907@fliwatut.scifi> References: <20061025123237.EC3BB3A6B42C@music.columbia.edu> <1161807211.2309.109.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20061025203656.GH17907@fliwatut.scifi> <200610251938.29356.lau@kudla.org> <20061026064025.GL17907@fliwatut.scifi> Message-ID: <20061026084927.GN17907@fliwatut.scifi> Hallo, Frank Barknecht hat gesagt: // Frank Barknecht wrote: > I'm trying to use it like that at all. Oops, there's an important "not" missing in this sentence. :( Ciao -- Frank Barknecht _ ______footils.org_ __goto10.org__ From chris at mccormick.cx Thu Oct 26 05:01:03 2006 From: chris at mccormick.cx (Chris McCormick) Date: Thu Oct 26 05:12:25 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] E17 - our choice of WM in the future? In-Reply-To: <20061026053219.GB1411@replic.net> References: <20061025104229.10208.qmail@web52212.mail.yahoo.com> <1161779532.5475.12.camel@localhost> <20061026035537.GB17238@mccormick.cx> <20061026053219.GB1411@replic.net> Message-ID: <20061026090103.GB30415@mccormick.cx> On Thu, Oct 26, 2006 at 05:32:19AM +0000, carmen wrote: > On Thu Oct 26, 2006 at 11:55:37AM +0800, Chris McCormick wrote: > > On Wed, Oct 25, 2006 at 02:32:12PM +0200, Leonard paniq Ritter wrote: > > > let the flamewar begin! e17 looks ugly! > > > > Whilst I realise that this is probably humorous trolling, I think I > > can safely say that most people would disagree with you. > > the e17 default theme is pretty damn ugly, however. and unless you want > to spend 6 months learning how to compress .edje files into .ewz and > then pack them into .eapp containers so .ebjx can load them, instead > of say making music or using a window manager that doesnt take 106 MB > of RAM, you probably cant make a better theme.. Whilst it is a very subjective matter, I suspect you are in the minority in thinking that the e17 default theme is ugly. Anecdotal evidence; everyone I have shown the Live CD to has made noises like "oooooh" and "wow!" Additionally, I am not arguing that it's easy to make themes for e17, nor that e17 is light on memory, simply that most people think that it is lovely to look at. Best, Chris. ------------------- chris@mccormick.cx http://mccormick.cx From bach at sbox.tugraz.at Thu Oct 26 05:55:58 2006 From: bach at sbox.tugraz.at (Gerda Strobl) Date: Thu Oct 26 05:55:57 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] generate frequency sweep Message-ID: <4540862E.5070808@sbox.tugraz.at> Dear all, I am looking for an easy tool, plugin or a script that can generate sine sweeps , where I can define either log. or linear, the time and the frequency range. Gerda From emillo at libero.it Thu Oct 26 06:10:32 2006 From: emillo at libero.it (Emiliano Grilli) Date: Thu Oct 26 06:11:38 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] generate frequency sweep In-Reply-To: <4540862E.5070808@sbox.tugraz.at> References: <4540862E.5070808@sbox.tugraz.at> Message-ID: <20061026101032.GA29906@emillo.net> gioved?, 26 ottobre 2006 alle 11:55:58, Gerda Strobl ha scritto: > Dear all, > > I am looking for an easy tool, plugin or a script that can generate > sine sweeps , where I can define either log. or linear, the time and > the frequency range. This should be quite easy to do in csound. Look at this example: http://kevindumpscore.com/docs/csound-manual/line.html > Gerda HTH Ciao -- Emiliano Grilli Linux user #209089 http://www.emillo.net From nomoa at wanadoo.fr Thu Oct 26 06:29:59 2006 From: nomoa at wanadoo.fr (David Causse) Date: Thu Oct 26 06:30:12 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] E17 - our choice of WM in the future? In-Reply-To: <20061026053538.GC1411@replic.net> References: <20061025104229.10208.qmail@web52212.mail.yahoo.com> <1161779532.5475.12.camel@localhost> <20061026035537.GB17238@mccormick.cx> <20061026053219.GB1411@replic.net> <20061026053538.GC1411@replic.net> Message-ID: <45408E27.3050304@wanadoo.fr> carmen wrote: >> the e17 default theme is pretty damn ugly, however. and unless you want to spend 6 months learning how to compress .edje files into .ewz and then pack them into .eapp containers so .ebjx can load them, instead of say making music or using a window manager that doesnt take 106 MB of RAM, you probably cant make a better theme.. >> >> > > > although i made up some of those .eformats, similarly named ones do exist, and the RAM part is no lie. lat time i built it a few months ago, it took precisely 100 times as much RAM as the WM i'm currently using.. > > It's too early to talk about e17, I've been very confused about e17 binary file format, but it starts to be usuable with graphical front-end to edit everything. But please don't forget it's still experimental, you can't say today, ardour2 is a bunch of bug and memory leaks, it's out of context. e17 is like ardour2 you can see that it will be a very good app in the future. About the mem usage you was not lucky, e17 consumes 22m with latest e17 source code (and I can't remember of such mem usage in the past). e17 is light, *smooth* and very responsive, IMHO look&*feel* is very important, e17 is very good at perf VS. feel. It's just a matter of taste here but please don't argue with perf argument with e17. From drucer99 at yahoo.com Thu Oct 26 06:46:28 2006 From: drucer99 at yahoo.com (Drucer Ninetynine) Date: Thu Oct 26 06:46:35 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] E17 - our choice of WM in the future? In-Reply-To: <20061026053219.GB1411@replic.net> Message-ID: <20061026104628.17136.qmail@web52207.mail.yahoo.com> --- carmen <_@whats-your.name> wrote: > the e17 default theme is pretty damn ugly, however. > and unless you want to spend 6 months learning how > to compress .edje files into .ewz and then pack them > into .eapp containers so .ebjx can load them, > instead of say making music or using a window > manager that doesnt take 106 MB of RAM, you probably > cant make a better theme.. > First of all - wait until E17 is officially released and then judge. Who has said that the default theme will be like that when it is officially released? There is a lot of things happening at the moment only a few people know about. You will not get the image what E17 will be like when officially released if you download and compile the CVS code right now. There are a lot of things going on behind the scenes at the moment regarding E17. Configuration tools etc. all of them will be implemented, integrated and bundled with the official release. You will not get all that stuff if you just compile the CVS code now. There is also no need to compress, pack or whatever regarding the theme files. All you need to do is to select a single file and theme will be changed. Regarding the RAM usage - well, let's just say that one of the reasons YellowDog Linux (PS3) selected E17 was because Playstation 3 has only 256MB of RAM and it was out of question to run Gnome or KDE with that amount of RAM. E17 on the other hand seems to run very nicely on a machine with just 256MB of RAM. It's about how you configure it. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From peder at musikhuset.org Thu Oct 26 07:00:01 2006 From: peder at musikhuset.org (Peder Hedlund) Date: Thu Oct 26 07:00:11 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Printing from WM (Was Re: E17 - our choice of WM in the future?) In-Reply-To: <1161796034.2309.89.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <20061025123237.EC3BB3A6B42C@music.columbia.edu> <200610251230.15819.lau@kudla.org> <1161796034.2309.89.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: On Wed, 25 Oct 2006, Paul Davis wrote: > On Wed, 2006-10-25 at 12:30 -0400, Rob wrote: > > "To do anything you want on this Linux machine you > > will never need to see a command line or edit a config file." > > out of interest, how do you print a document without a command line and > without going into a document editor of some kind? Start xpp, drop file in File-strip, select printer, click Print (acctually doesn't work excactly as advertised here with xpp 1.5 and rox 2.3. You have to trim the "file://" part) Xfce has a printer icon to add to its launch-bar that you can drag-n-drop to (haven't tried it myself though). - Peder From me at danieletorelli.net Thu Oct 26 07:47:52 2006 From: me at danieletorelli.net (Daniele Torelli) Date: Thu Oct 26 07:47:29 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] generate frequency sweep In-Reply-To: <4540862E.5070808@sbox.tugraz.at> References: <4540862E.5070808@sbox.tugraz.at> Message-ID: <20061026134752.0f2c8e57@gilles.> you may be interested in this: http://www.duffroomcorrection.com/wiki/Simple_Automated_IR_Measuring_Tool (but the sweep is log. only) regards, -- Daniele Torelli ------------------------------------------------------------ Free Electronic Music - www.danieletorelli.net - www.yue.it ---------- http://freelectronicmusic.splinder.com ---------- From seablaede at gmail.com Thu Oct 26 08:45:50 2006 From: seablaede at gmail.com (Thomas Vecchione) Date: Thu Oct 26 08:40:02 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] E17 - our choice of WM in the future? In-Reply-To: <45408E27.3050304@wanadoo.fr> References: <20061025104229.10208.qmail@web52212.mail.yahoo.com> <1161779532.5475.12.camel@localhost> <20061026035537.GB17238@mccormick.cx> <20061026053219.GB1411@replic.net> <20061026053538.GC1411@replic.net> <45408E27.3050304@wanadoo.fr> Message-ID: <4540ADFE.8020804@gmail.com> I suppose since it hasn't been mentioned, there ARE other themes for E17. If memory serves me correctly, the elive CD uses a version of the Darkness theme for its default, but I need to try it again to be sure. In as far as memory is concerned, actually e17 runs pretty dang light on my machine, its the reason I use it. I know Rasterman has gotten it running on a PDA before as well, so that should tell you something. In fact I believe one of their design goals was to allow it to be run as light as possible for things like that. Seablade From markknecht at gmail.com Thu Oct 26 09:55:02 2006 From: markknecht at gmail.com (Mark Knecht) Date: Thu Oct 26 09:55:09 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Printing from WM (Was Re: E17 - our choice of WM in the future?) In-Reply-To: References: <20061025123237.EC3BB3A6B42C@music.columbia.edu> <200610251230.15819.lau@kudla.org> <1161796034.2309.89.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <5bdc1c8b0610260655l4805c760ge54a6fe53a075ae0@mail.gmail.com> On 10/26/06, Peder Hedlund wrote: > > > On Wed, 25 Oct 2006, Paul Davis wrote: > > > On Wed, 2006-10-25 at 12:30 -0400, Rob wrote: > > > "To do anything you want on this Linux machine you > > > will never need to see a command line or edit a config file." > > > > out of interest, how do you print a document without a command line and > > without going into a document editor of some kind? > > Start xpp, drop file in File-strip, select printer, click Print > (acctually doesn't work excactly as advertised here with xpp 1.5 and > rox 2.3. You have to trim the "file://" part) > > Xfce has a printer icon to add to its launch-bar that you can drag-n-drop > to (haven't tried it myself though). > > - Peder > I hadn't heard of xpp. I built it, selected a pdf printer (to save paper in case of disaster) and tried dropping an Open Office spreadsheet file into it. It crashed with no messages and disappeared. It's probably far too much to ask for tools like this to understand filetype associations and bring up the right apps. I showed that at least in this case it didn't work. - Mark From pw_lists at slinkp.com Thu Oct 26 10:48:54 2006 From: pw_lists at slinkp.com (Paul Winkler) Date: Thu Oct 26 10:49:27 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: E17 - our choice of WM in the future? In-Reply-To: <1161830737.2309.144.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <20061025123237.EC3BB3A6B42C@music.columbia.edu> <200610251940.50607.lau@kudla.org> <1161822942.2309.132.camel@localhost.localdomain> <200610252231.56699.lau@kudla.org> <1161830737.2309.144.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <20061026144854.GB7392@slinkp.com> On Wed, Oct 25, 2006 at 10:45:36PM -0400, Paul Davis wrote: > lpr is remarkably forgiving of most of the things we throw at it. maybe > the kids should try printing mp3 files ;) Somewhere I have a tape of random stuff produced during my early days on linux by doing "cat arbitrary_file_type > /dev/midi" :-) -- Paul Winkler http://www.slinkp.com From rsjtaylor at gmail.com Thu Oct 26 11:18:24 2006 From: rsjtaylor at gmail.com (Richard Taylor) Date: Thu Oct 26 11:18:37 2006 Subject: [Freebob-devel] [linux-audio-user] Focusrite Saffire Pro 26 I/O In-Reply-To: <454073A4.1020105@joow.be> References: <453408E8.4020100@gmail.com> <4a29da9d0610170930gba71db1t66dfdca1c914ebf4@mail.gmail.com> <45352A34.8020702@gmail.com> <4a29da9d0610251317m5971f468h1b2fb938e731cc6c@mail.gmail.com> <454073A4.1020105@joow.be> Message-ID: <4a29da9d0610260818p7875542ayffdff9c1326b674e@mail.gmail.com> > There might be a chance that the device remembers the last mixer setting > on startup. So you what you can try is setting the mixer on a windows > machine (if you have one available) and see if it's settings are > retained on power cycles. I don't think it does as I generally have monitoring turned off in windows and have been flitting between that and linux throughout my experements. I'll double-check when I'm back at home. I'll also mess with the standalone mode setting as i think one of those does remember the last configuration, so there's a vague chance that it will also mess with the defaults in non-standalone mode. > The other option is to wait until we finish > the mixer control. I know that the current code already contains most of > the infrastructure to support this, but it's not finished. The > difficulty (and opportunity) is that the interface is the same for all > bebob devices, requiring it to be very flexible and hence pretty > complicated. Daniel is the expert on this, maybe he can shed a light > here. Maybe it's not very complicated to have a temporary tool that > kills all zero-latency monitoring paths. Exciting news about the freebob mixer stuff, I hadn't realised this was allready well under way. Will keep my eyes peeled. Additional good news, bad news - Phantom power is not switchable from the front panel unless you are in standalone mode. Once the unit has gone into this mode you can't boot jack until you power cycle the saffire, which switches the phantom power off. Pretty bad news as I imagine phantom power switching is a focusrite not a bebob feature so freebob is unlikely to support it (correct me if i'm wrong) Good news is that the focusrite tech support people were quite understanding and agreed to forward my concerns to their dev team to see if they could get some sort of solution worked out. No promises of course, but i was pleasantly surprised to see that they appeared open to the idea, and it was nice to encounter tech support that not only reads emails but responds to them intelligently. Had a brief flutter with smaller latencies last night, seemed to be pretty stable in realtime mode. The only xrun i got was when i was booting SuperCollider's server, however I *really* knew about it, very loud, fairly long noise burst. The saffire has an assignable volume control which isn't assigned to anything by default so it came out as full scale nastiness. Thankfully i have the sensitivity of my monitors tuned down as far as they go or i could have been collecting my tweeters from the opposite side of the room. Serves me right really, it was a bit idiotic to have them connected when testing something like this, but just thought I'd warn everyone else. My girlfriend heard the burst and thought I'd electricuted myself.. :) Front panel headphone controls work so you can safely test via these without ear damage. Anyway, i digress - I didn't tax my computer that much and only went down to 128 samples/period, but i'm pretty optomistic on the latency front. Still not tried any of the digital gubbins yet - that's my next stop.. From t_w_ at freenet.de Thu Oct 26 11:23:52 2006 From: t_w_ at freenet.de (Thorsten Wilms) Date: Thu Oct 26 11:24:14 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Music: Running Through The Night on drums In-Reply-To: <200610252338.36265.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> References: <20061025211039.GC5626@charly.SWORD> <200610252338.36265.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> Message-ID: <20061026152351.GA5422@charly.SWORD> On Wed, Oct 25, 2006 at 11:38:35PM +0200, Nigel Henry wrote: > On Wednesday 25 October 2006 23:10, Thorsten Wilms wrote: > > > > archive.org/details/running_through_the_night > > http://www.archive.org/details/running_through_the_night Oops, thanks :) It works both ways here, though. -- Thorsten Wilms From perlanegra.proyect at gmail.com Thu Oct 26 11:54:11 2006 From: perlanegra.proyect at gmail.com (perlanegra proyect) Date: Thu Oct 26 11:57:43 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: habemus videoclip :) In-Reply-To: References: <311b5a1a0610251004i6b7f6d99he265a13b228a49be@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <311b5a1a0610260854j8d22a4ay236aff4829db916a@mail.gmail.com> Thanx, Carlo :) I've tested Dynebolic some months ago, but I had no idea of video... I suppose I will install it on my harddisk again, and I'll see what can it do... not very soon, because now I haven't a stable connection, so, it's a bit difficult to get the new release, but I think I have one at home.. maybe 4 the next video.. greetings... :) PerlssDj 2006/10/25, Carlo Capocasa : > Congratulations :) > > May I suggest Dynebolic, which comes with Cinelerra pre-installed. > > Not from experience, just from intuition. I just use Dyne for audio so far. > > Carlo > > -- ... visit always http://perlssdj.blogspot.com 4 cool stuff !!... From lala.land at freenet.de Thu Oct 26 12:51:28 2006 From: lala.land at freenet.de (freak) Date: Thu Oct 26 12:54:05 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] E17 - our choice of WM in the future? In-Reply-To: <20061026035537.GB17238@mccormick.cx> References: <20061025104229.10208.qmail@web52212.mail.yahoo.com> <1161779532.5475.12.camel@localhost> <20061026035537.GB17238@mccormick.cx> Message-ID: <4540E790.6070707@freenet.de> Chris McCormick schrieb: > On Wed, Oct 25, 2006 at 02:32:12PM +0200, Leonard paniq Ritter wrote: > >> let the flamewar begin! e17 looks ugly! >> > > Whilst I realise that this is probably humorous trolling, I think I > can safely say that most people would disagree with you. An E17 live CD > singlehandedly convinced my girlfriend that she'd rather run Linux than > Windows. She thought it was the best thing she'd ever seen, and I remember > specifically that she said it "looks better than Apple". Unfortunately > she couldn't use it because at that stage E17 didn't do everything a WM > needs to. Might be time to give it another shot. > > So there you have it, E17 gets you chicks. ;) > > Best, > > Chris. > > ------------------- > chris@mccormick.cx > http://mccormick.cx > > > but only with the right theme ;) standard theme isnt that good :) From lala.land at freenet.de Thu Oct 26 12:54:50 2006 From: lala.land at freenet.de (freak) Date: Thu Oct 26 12:56:10 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] E17 - our choice of WM in the future? In-Reply-To: <20061026053219.GB1411@replic.net> References: <20061025104229.10208.qmail@web52212.mail.yahoo.com> <1161779532.5475.12.camel@localhost> <20061026035537.GB17238@mccormick.cx> <20061026053219.GB1411@replic.net> Message-ID: <4540E85A.6070903@freenet.de> carmen schrieb: > On Thu Oct 26, 2006 at 11:55:37AM +0800, Chris McCormick wrote: > >> On Wed, Oct 25, 2006 at 02:32:12PM +0200, Leonard paniq Ritter wrote: >> >>> let the flamewar begin! e17 looks ugly! >>> >> Whilst I realise that this is probably humorous trolling, I think I >> can safely say that most people would disagree with you. >> > > the e17 default theme is pretty damn ugly, however. and unless you want to spend 6 months learning how to compress .edje files into .ewz and then pack them into .eapp containers so .ebjx can load them, instead of say making music or using a window manager that doesnt take 106 MB of RAM, you probably cant make a better theme.. > > > my favourite is xfce... small, nice looking and kinda easy to handle :) From dsbaikov at gmail.com Thu Oct 26 13:01:11 2006 From: dsbaikov at gmail.com (Dmitry Baikov) Date: Thu Oct 26 13:01:52 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] E17 - our choice of WM in the future? In-Reply-To: <4540E85A.6070903@freenet.de> References: <20061025104229.10208.qmail@web52212.mail.yahoo.com> <1161779532.5475.12.camel@localhost> <20061026035537.GB17238@mccormick.cx> <20061026053219.GB1411@replic.net> <4540E85A.6070903@freenet.de> Message-ID: <70a871c80610261001l618d9713kfd0a0bf93262537f@mail.gmail.com> I used gnome, openbox, xfce, gnome again, and now prefer wmii-3 From lala.land at freenet.de Thu Oct 26 13:03:49 2006 From: lala.land at freenet.de (freak) Date: Thu Oct 26 13:04:49 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] E17 - our choice of WM in the future? In-Reply-To: <4540ADFE.8020804@gmail.com> References: <20061025104229.10208.qmail@web52212.mail.yahoo.com> <1161779532.5475.12.camel@localhost> <20061026035537.GB17238@mccormick.cx> <20061026053219.GB1411@replic.net> <20061026053538.GC1411@replic.net> <45408E27.3050304@wanadoo.fr> <4540ADFE.8020804@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4540EA75.7030505@freenet.de> Thomas Vecchione schrieb: > I suppose since it hasn't been mentioned, there ARE other themes for > E17. If memory serves me correctly, the elive CD uses a version of > the Darkness theme for its default, but I need to try it again to be > sure. > > In as far as memory is concerned, actually e17 runs pretty dang light > on my machine, its the reason I use it. I know Rasterman has gotten > it running on a PDA before as well, so that should tell you > something. In fact I believe one of their design goals was to allow > it to be run as light as possible for things like that. > > Seablade > > but most of the themes dont work in my case... opensuse 10.1 and enlightenment repo on repos.opensuse.org From yves at jazzcomputer.org Thu Oct 26 13:19:23 2006 From: yves at jazzcomputer.org (Yves Potin) Date: Thu Oct 26 13:19:38 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] More music at the Archive In-Reply-To: <453F6BC3.9000504@woh.rr.com> References: <453F6BC3.9000504@woh.rr.com> Message-ID: <20061026171923.GH11024@localhost> Le 25 Oct ? 09:50, Dave Phillips ecrivait: > http://www.archive.org/details/SonatinaForAnImaginaryGuitarist I enjoyed very much this piece. As a guitar player, I must thank you for the word ? imaginary ? :). And I particularly appreciate the way you end your compositions, with very nice unattended opened chords. I noticed the same about ? Promenade ? which didn't ended the way one could expect. Could you put the score somewhere ? There are really fine chords in your composition, and I'm runing a bit out of time for transcription... Thanks for these tracks :). Cheers, Y. From seablaede at gmail.com Thu Oct 26 13:34:33 2006 From: seablaede at gmail.com (Thomas Vecchione) Date: Thu Oct 26 13:28:55 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] E17 - our choice of WM in the future? In-Reply-To: <4540EA75.7030505@freenet.de> References: <20061025104229.10208.qmail@web52212.mail.yahoo.com> <1161779532.5475.12.camel@localhost> <20061026035537.GB17238@mccormick.cx> <20061026053219.GB1411@replic.net> <20061026053538.GC1411@replic.net> <45408E27.3050304@wanadoo.fr> <4540ADFE.8020804@gmail.com> <4540EA75.7030505@freenet.de> Message-ID: <4540F1A9.6000804@gmail.com> >> > but most of the themes dont work in my case... opensuse 10.1 and enlightenment repo on repos.opensuse.org Can't speak for your repos and how old they are. There were somechanges to how themes were done some time ago that broke most themes, but several have been updated and are on get-e.org and work with the CVS versions, as that is what I have been running, combined with the darkness theme(Which just got another update today I believe). Seablade From dlphillips at woh.rr.com Thu Oct 26 14:11:09 2006 From: dlphillips at woh.rr.com (Dave Phillips) Date: Thu Oct 26 13:43:33 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] More music at the Archive In-Reply-To: <20061026171923.GH11024@localhost> References: <453F6BC3.9000504@woh.rr.com> <20061026171923.GH11024@localhost> Message-ID: <4540FA3D.2010107@woh.rr.com> Yves Potin wrote: >Le 25 Oct ? 09:50, Dave Phillips ecrivait: > > > >>http://www.archive.org/details/SonatinaForAnImaginaryGuitarist >> >> > > I enjoyed very much this piece. > As a guitar player, I must thank you for the word ? imaginary ? >:). And I particularly appreciate the way you end your compositions, with >very nice unattended opened chords. I noticed the same about ? Promenade ? >which didn't ended the way one could expect. > Could you put the score somewhere ? There are really fine chords in >your composition, and I'm runing a bit out of time for transcription... > Thanks for these tracks :). > Hi Yves, Thank you for listening and for your comments. The score files for the Sonatina can be found here : http://linux-sound.org/dlp-music-lilypond/sonatina/sonatina.html Best, dp From drucer99 at yahoo.com Thu Oct 26 14:12:21 2006 From: drucer99 at yahoo.com (Drucer Ninetynine) Date: Thu Oct 26 14:12:28 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: E17 - our choice of WM in the future? In-Reply-To: <200610251230.15819.lau@kudla.org> Message-ID: <20061026181221.75875.qmail@web52203.mail.yahoo.com> --- Rob wrote: > E16 was popular with the tweaker set and I know e17 > will be as > well. I personally have no use for weird bitmap > themes or > partially transparent terminals or > white-on-dark-brown color > schemes or weird ornamental fonts that make me feel > like I'm > using a fake computer on the set of one of the CSI's > or a > desktop interface that consists of "right click on > the desktop > to do anything", and that's what I remember from > e16. I think > you just have to be a little more, uh, elite than me > to > appreciate that stuff. > It's not about elitism and it's not about wanting fonts that look obscure. It's about personality. It's about having that complete freedom to choose how your desktop looks and behaves. I think a lot of us people who make music want to have a personal touch even when it comes to their desktop software. The reason I brought up this conversation was to find out how you artists feel about WM that was created by artists. Carsten Haitzler (aka rasterman) - the main man behind the Enlightenment project has said that he's not a coder, he's just an artist who has to write code to make art. I'm not completely satisfied with any of the desktop software choices out there at the moment (there are some very good WMs, but things could be better) - that's why I'm hoping E17 - once officially released - will "save me" and give me that satisfaction I'm looking for. If some of you have found satisfaction with any of the available desktop software choices out there then be happy. Not all of us are that lucky. And I do not know if this sounds naive, but I believe when I'm completely satisfied with my desktop software I can make better music. If I do not have to be annoyed about anything and can just concentrate on making music then I believe the result will be better. This is why I think it concerns us musicians and this is why I think it's worth to see the trouble to test many different desktop environments - it's not all the same what environment we use to create music. To put it this way - if you have messy room where you are trying to write a new song - do you feel that it is the best environment trying to write a new song? What if the room was clean and things would be in order, would that have any effect on your songwriting? OK, these are personal things. Some people might feel at home if the room was messy, some people would not. I really hope E17 - again, once officially released - will make more of us Linux musicians happy and offer us creative and functional environment to make music. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From mista.tapas at gmx.net Thu Oct 26 14:48:38 2006 From: mista.tapas at gmx.net (Florian Schmidt) Date: Thu Oct 26 14:48:34 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] generate frequency sweep In-Reply-To: <4540862E.5070808@sbox.tugraz.at> References: <4540862E.5070808@sbox.tugraz.at> Message-ID: <200610262048.38516.mista.tapas@gmx.net> On Thursday 26 October 2006 11:55, Gerda Strobl wrote: > Dear all, > > I am looking for an easy tool, plugin or a script that can generate > sine sweeps , where I can define either log. or linear, the time and > the frequency range. > > Gerda In Supercollider this is done with: {SinOsc.ar (freq: XLine.kr (start: 20, end: 20000, dur: 1, doneAction: 2))}.play which produces a log sweep from 20 to 20000hz in one sec. {SinOsc.ar (freq: Line.kr (start: 20, end: 20000, dur: 1, doneAction: 2))}.play produces a linear sweep. If you wonder about the doneAction: it deallocates the synth when the (X)Line is done.. Flo -- Palimm Palimm! http://tapas.affenbande.org From cave.dnb at tiscali.fr Thu Oct 26 15:23:17 2006 From: cave.dnb at tiscali.fr (Nigel Henry) Date: Thu Oct 26 15:23:31 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Music: Running Through The Night on drums In-Reply-To: <20061026152351.GA5422@charly.SWORD> References: <20061025211039.GC5626@charly.SWORD> <200610252338.36265.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> <20061026152351.GA5422@charly.SWORD> Message-ID: <200610262123.17165.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> On Thursday 26 October 2006 17:23, Thorsten Wilms wrote: > On Wed, Oct 25, 2006 at 11:38:35PM +0200, Nigel Henry wrote: > > On Wednesday 25 October 2006 23:10, Thorsten Wilms wrote: > > > archive.org/details/running_through_the_night > > > > http://www.archive.org/details/running_through_the_night > > Oops, thanks :) > It works both ways here, though. > > > -- > Thorsten Wilms Hi Thorsten. It didn't highlight on Kmail, and is why I posted the complete link. All a bit odd. Nevermind. Anyway I like what you've done to Folderol's, aka Abrolag's, aka Will J Godfreys track. I find purely synth tracks difficult with no percussion. I can listen to piano music, like Steve Doonan's ok. here I don't expect percussion. Of course, if I'm listening to Oscar Peterson, and jazz, you know you are going to get piano, bass, and drums. Nice work Thorsten. whether Folderol likes his original, or your percussion enhanced version, both are ok with me, but I really do like percussion on tracks. Nigel. From dlphillips at woh.rr.com Thu Oct 26 18:54:50 2006 From: dlphillips at woh.rr.com (Dave Phillips) Date: Thu Oct 26 18:27:20 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [Music] The deluge continues Message-ID: <45413CBA.8080000@woh.rr.com> Greetings: http://www.archive.org/details/TrioForFluteGuitarAndBassoon Unpeaceful music for disturbed dancers. Another imaginary piece, not humanly playable without a boat-load of edits. Unfit for dissonance-challenged adults. Use with caution. Keep away from children. Best, dp From fons.adriaensen at skynet.be Thu Oct 26 18:50:34 2006 From: fons.adriaensen at skynet.be (Fons Adriaensen) Date: Thu Oct 26 18:48:15 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [Music] The deluge continues In-Reply-To: <45413CBA.8080000@woh.rr.com> References: <45413CBA.8080000@woh.rr.com> Message-ID: <20061026225034.GD5924@linux-1.site> Hello Dave, Cantator inelegans, sed compositor magnificus. > Unfit for dissonance-challenged adults. Use with caution. > Keep away from children. Well, how dissonant this is perceived to be is just a matter of previous exposure to all the wonderful dissonants in this world. And I see no reason to keep it away from children, unless you want to keep them dumb. In other words, I enjoyed this as much as the Promenade and the Sonatina. Many thanks for all of them !!! -- FA Lascia la spina, cogli la rosa. From gnome at hawaii.rr.com Thu Oct 26 18:52:53 2006 From: gnome at hawaii.rr.com (david) Date: Thu Oct 26 18:53:06 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [Music] The deluge continues In-Reply-To: <45413CBA.8080000@woh.rr.com> References: <45413CBA.8080000@woh.rr.com> Message-ID: <45413C45.3000504@hawaii.rr.com> Dave Phillips wrote: > Greetings: > > http://www.archive.org/details/TrioForFluteGuitarAndBassoon > > Unpeaceful music for disturbed dancers. Another imaginary piece, not > humanly playable without a boat-load of edits. > > Unfit for dissonance-challenged adults. Use with caution. Keep away from > children. I like it. My ear must be weird, but it doesn't sound nearly as dissonant as your description makes it out to be. Perhaps it's because the three instruments used blend well together. -- David gnome@hawaii.rr.com authenticity, honesty, community From dplist at free.fr Thu Oct 26 20:25:19 2006 From: dplist at free.fr (David) Date: Thu Oct 26 20:25:37 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [Music] The deluge continues In-Reply-To: <45413CBA.8080000@woh.rr.com> References: <45413CBA.8080000@woh.rr.com> Message-ID: <20061027022519.0896642e.dplist@free.fr> On Thu, 26 Oct 2006 18:54:50 -0400 Dave Phillips wrote: > Greetings: > > http://www.archive.org/details/TrioForFluteGuitarAndBassoon > > Unpeaceful music for disturbed dancers. Another imaginary piece, not > humanly playable without a boat-load of edits. > > Unfit for dissonance-challenged adults. Use with caution. Keep away > from children. Dave, Any chance to hear this tune performed (yeah, this would be a performance) on the intended acoustic instruments ? I'm sure you know someone eager and able to put a few mics on spot and catch a brillant interpretation of this unique piece. This is rather complex music but it deserves to be played by humans, don't you think ? > Best, > > dp Thanks for sharing. -- David From noven at sincorp.org Fri Oct 27 01:12:41 2006 From: noven at sincorp.org (Novensiles divi Flamen) Date: Fri Oct 27 01:14:55 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Digital DJ control Message-ID: <200610271212.47656.noven@sincorp.org> I'm on the hunt for a decent digital DJ controller that works with linux. The hercules is just a toy, I want something more robust and tactile. The Behringer BCD2000 *looks* good, but I haven't had a chance to play with it yet or found anything about linux support. The Kontrol:DJ has linux support but I know nothing about the company or the products reliability. So does anyone have some experiences or recommendations for a good one? - Noven -- >-- Novensiles divi Flamen --< >---- Miles Militis Fons ----< -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://music.columbia.edu/pipermail/linux-audio-user/attachments/20061027/30cdb691/attachment.bin From chazkiser at alltel.net Fri Oct 27 01:34:37 2006 From: chazkiser at alltel.net (Chaz Kiser) Date: Fri Oct 27 01:34:52 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] "Booming" bass In-Reply-To: <200610271212.47656.noven@sincorp.org> References: <200610271212.47656.noven@sincorp.org> Message-ID: <45419A6D.2050903@alltel.net> I've recorded an upright bass track that I'm really fond of but it sounds a tad too "booming". What kind of tips could anybody give me into making it sound a bit more "punchy" but without losing its bass quality? chaz From lau at kudla.org Fri Oct 27 02:20:49 2006 From: lau at kudla.org (Rob) Date: Fri Oct 27 02:21:03 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] "Booming" bass In-Reply-To: <45419A6D.2050903@alltel.net> References: <200610271212.47656.noven@sincorp.org> <45419A6D.2050903@alltel.net> Message-ID: <200610270220.49506.lau@kudla.org> On Friday 27 October 2006 01:34, Chaz Kiser wrote: > I've recorded an upright bass track that I'm really fond of > but it sounds a tad too "booming". > What kind of tips could anybody give me into making it sound a > bit more "punchy" but without losing its bass quality? Look in the spectrum for a spike at the low end and flatten it a little with EQ? That's the first thing I'd try. You can do a lot with a notch (or a band-pass, for that matter) filter. Rob From wagi at monom.org Fri Oct 27 02:30:19 2006 From: wagi at monom.org (Daniel Wagner) Date: Fri Oct 27 02:30:41 2006 Subject: [Freebob-devel] [linux-audio-user] Focusrite Saffire Pro 26 I/O In-Reply-To: <454073A4.1020105@joow.be> References: <453408E8.4020100@gmail.com> <4a29da9d0610170930gba71db1t66dfdca1c914ebf4@mail.gmail.com> <45352A34.8020702@gmail.com> <4a29da9d0610251317m5971f468h1b2fb938e731cc6c@mail.gmail.com> <454073A4.1020105@joow.be> Message-ID: <4541A77B.9060409@monom.org> Pieter Palmers wrote: > Richard Taylor wrote: >> Good news and bad news. Good news, recording does work. >> Bad news, zero latency monitoring comes on by default and routes >> itself to all the analog outputs so it's a bit useless really. >> Maybe there's a setting somewhere i've missed - definately nothing >> connected in jack tho. > There might be a chance that the device remembers the last mixer setting > on startup. So you what you can try is setting the mixer on a windows > machine (if you have one available) and see if it's settings are > retained on power cycles. The other option is to wait until we finish > the mixer control. I know that the current code already contains most of > the infrastructure to support this, but it's not finished. The > difficulty (and opportunity) is that the interface is the same for all > bebob devices, requiring it to be very flexible and hence pretty > complicated. Daniel is the expert on this, maybe he can shed a light > here. Maybe it's not very complicated to have a temporary tool that > kills all zero-latency monitoring paths. Unfortunately, I'm not familiar with the Saffire. I can't tell if the box remembers the settings through out. Each BeBoB device seems to be a bit different in respect to those things. Well, I guess this is called customization :) We face two main problems. First, we want to support mixer settings. This can be achieved with a generic approach. The AV/C function block which represents the mixer is most likely a bridgeco extension. So we can write a generic piece of code for that. Second, the additional switches and knobs etc which are [bridgeco's] customers extensions. Normally, they are controlled over proprietary AV/C extension or over the so called hispeed control interface, IRC. We need some support from the manufactures to tell us how to control those features and then we have to come up with some (generic?) control panel. We have talked about the first problem and have agreed on some initial steps to achieve it. I will implement the AV/C stuff but that is the simple part. We (or better I) are still not sure how to abstract the generic interface. I remember some discussion here but can't remember the findings. Of course we need a GUI. We also got some inputs from lad where this problem of a generic mixer was also a topic. It seems that a form of a generic mixer is interesting for other projects besides freebob. I haven't started to work on the mixer code since I'm still trying to figure out how to support the m-audio fw410. I reckon there are many users of fw410 around. The bad news is that it is rather broken device and it is difficult to get it working. There are some notes [1] about my undertaking but I don't know if this is worth spending more time on it. Anyway the next thing I will work on caching the AV/C models in order to speed up the device discovering. That means the mixer has to wait for a while if I'm doing this. Apropos zero latency: There is no such thing as zero latency for a BeBoB device. You will always have a delay from the input to the output even though it is routed entirely through the device. I don't have the numbers and I can't tell if this is a problem or not but I just wanted to point that out before too many are really disappointed about that fact. cheers, daniel [1] http://freebob.sourceforge.net/index.php/FW410 From t_w_ at freenet.de Fri Oct 27 03:57:21 2006 From: t_w_ at freenet.de (Thorsten Wilms) Date: Fri Oct 27 03:57:34 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Music: Running Through The Night on drums In-Reply-To: <200610262123.17165.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> References: <20061025211039.GC5626@charly.SWORD> <200610252338.36265.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> <20061026152351.GA5422@charly.SWORD> <200610262123.17165.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> Message-ID: <20061027075721.GA5447@charly.SWORD> On Thu, Oct 26, 2006 at 09:23:17PM +0200, Nigel Henry wrote: > > Anyway I like what you've done to Folderol's, aka Abrolag's, aka Will J > Godfreys track. I find purely synth tracks difficult with no percussion. I > can listen to piano music, like Steve Doonan's ok. here I don't expect > percussion. Of course, if I'm listening to Oscar Peterson, and jazz, you know > you are going to get piano, bass, and drums. > > Nice work Thorsten. whether Folderol likes his original, or your percussion > enhanced version, both are ok with me, but I really do like percussion on > tracks. I wouldn't tie it to synth tracks, as everything is possible there. It's rather about expression, richness of sound and mood, resulting in tracks that don't need percussion or even have no place for it. Obviously I like percussion and Will explicitly asked for it, his track did, too :) Thank you, Nigel! -- Thorsten Wilms From dsbaikov at gmail.com Fri Oct 27 05:51:52 2006 From: dsbaikov at gmail.com (Dmitry Baikov) Date: Fri Oct 27 05:52:03 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Digital DJ control In-Reply-To: <200610271212.47656.noven@sincorp.org> References: <200610271212.47656.noven@sincorp.org> Message-ID: <70a871c80610270251ra6fb182qb84f5d3673906ffd@mail.gmail.com> Take a look at: http://www.m-audio.com/products/en_us/XSessionPro-main.html Have not seen it myself, though. I do own M-Audio Trigger Finger and can say build quality is very good (imho, much better than of Behringer products). Can't say anything about reliability yet. Hope that helps. Dmitry. From dlphillips at woh.rr.com Fri Oct 27 08:52:28 2006 From: dlphillips at woh.rr.com (Dave Phillips) Date: Fri Oct 27 08:25:01 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Music: Running Through The Night on drums In-Reply-To: <20061027075721.GA5447@charly.SWORD> References: <20061025211039.GC5626@charly.SWORD> <200610252338.36265.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> <20061026152351.GA5422@charly.SWORD> <200610262123.17165.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> <20061027075721.GA5447@charly.SWORD> Message-ID: <4542010C.5050602@woh.rr.com> Thorsten Wilms wrote: >Obviously I like percussion and Will explicitly asked for it, his track did, too :) > And the collaboration was most fruitful. I enjoyed the track, and I don't think it would sound as captivating without the percussion. It would probably be pleasant, but it definitely gets kicked into higher gear with the percs. Good work from both Will and Thorsten. :) Best, dp From pw_lists at slinkp.com Fri Oct 27 08:32:25 2006 From: pw_lists at slinkp.com (Paul Winkler) Date: Fri Oct 27 08:32:43 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] "Booming" bass In-Reply-To: <200610270220.49506.lau@kudla.org> References: <200610271212.47656.noven@sincorp.org> <45419A6D.2050903@alltel.net> <200610270220.49506.lau@kudla.org> Message-ID: <20061027123225.GA7249@slinkp.com> On Fri, Oct 27, 2006 at 02:20:49AM -0400, Rob wrote: > On Friday 27 October 2006 01:34, Chaz Kiser wrote: > > I've recorded an upright bass track that I'm really fond of > > but it sounds a tad too "booming". > > What kind of tips could anybody give me into making it sound a > > bit more "punchy" but without losing its bass quality? > > Look in the spectrum for a spike at the low end and flatten it a > little with EQ? That's the first thing I'd try. You can do a > lot with a notch (or a band-pass, for that matter) filter. Right. The easiest way to find the offensive frequencies is to make the sound worse before you make it better. I'd take a parametric EQ, set it to slightly *boost* the center frequency and a fairly broad slope. Sweep it until you find the frequency setting that makes the sound as bad as possible :-) Narrow the slope a bit and adjust the frequency again. Repeat until you think you've found exactly the most offensive zone. Then change the boost into a cut. Then leave the track alone for a while and listen to something else. You've probably got conditioned to hearing the artificially boosted sound so *anything* will sound better. When you come back to it, compare the EQ'd signal to the un-EQ'd signal to verify that you actually did some good. -- Paul Winkler http://www.slinkp.com From dlphillips at woh.rr.com Fri Oct 27 09:06:55 2006 From: dlphillips at woh.rr.com (Dave Phillips) Date: Fri Oct 27 08:39:13 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] More music at the Archive In-Reply-To: <1161789695.2309.73.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <453F6BC3.9000504@woh.rr.com> <1161789695.2309.73.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <4542046F.3020903@woh.rr.com> Paul Davis wrote: >On Wed, 2006-10-25 at 09:50 -0400, Dave Phillips wrote: > > >>Greetings: >> >>http://www.archive.org/details/SonatinaForAnImaginaryGuitarist >> >>More Gebrauchsmusik for early-21st-century swingers. >> >> > >FM7? nice work dave. > Thanks, Paul, and thanks again to everyone who's listened to my recent musical posts. The guitar sound in the Sonatina is from a much humbler source: QSynth, with the tired old 8mbgmsfx.sf2 soundfont from the SBLive disc. It's just the Nylon Guitar patch, with a little Versatile Plate Reverb. That does the trick of making it sound something like the "bucket o'verb" Decca's engineers used to pour on Andres Segovia's recordings. Gives it that ancient-castle ambience, echt European. ;) (I should add that I hated how those old Segovia releases sounded. The VPR is much better than whatever they were using back then. Some time ago the original recordings were remastered without the reverb, the sound was so much better without it.) More music on the way, just in time for Halloween. Best, dp From pw_lists at slinkp.com Fri Oct 27 08:39:29 2006 From: pw_lists at slinkp.com (Paul Winkler) Date: Fri Oct 27 08:40:07 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [Music] The deluge continues In-Reply-To: <45413CBA.8080000@woh.rr.com> References: <45413CBA.8080000@woh.rr.com> Message-ID: <20061027123929.GB7249@slinkp.com> On Thu, Oct 26, 2006 at 06:54:50PM -0400, Dave Phillips wrote: > Greetings: > > http://www.archive.org/details/TrioForFluteGuitarAndBassoon > > Unpeaceful music for disturbed dancers. Another imaginary piece, not > humanly playable without a boat-load of edits. > > Unfit for dissonance-challenged adults. Use with caution. Keep away from > children. Really a nice one, Dave. -- Paul Winkler http://www.slinkp.com From dlphillips at woh.rr.com Fri Oct 27 09:35:44 2006 From: dlphillips at woh.rr.com (Dave Phillips) Date: Fri Oct 27 09:08:03 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [Music] The deluge continues In-Reply-To: <20061027022519.0896642e.dplist@free.fr> References: <45413CBA.8080000@woh.rr.com> <20061027022519.0896642e.dplist@free.fr> Message-ID: <45420B30.3080709@woh.rr.com> David wrote: >[snip] > > >Any chance to hear this tune performed (yeah, this would be a >performance) on the intended acoustic instruments ? I'm sure you know >someone eager and able to put a few mics on spot and catch a brillant >interpretation of this unique piece. > >This is rather complex music but it deserves to be played by humans, >don't you think ? > If the ranges are do-able it might be a playable piece. When I concern myself with playability I usually get out my trusty instrumentation/orchestration guide to determine what I can get away with. Alas, I paid no such attention while composing this piece. I'd also have to get my butt in gear to score it, and that might take a while (the score might look pretty cool though ;). Btw, in case anyone is interested, the music is based on free manipulation of a 12-tone row. Obviously I've not shied away from tonal references. The manipulation is sometimes very free, oscillating between using the row as a pitch collection and as an interval series. The row was treated sometimes linearly and sometimes vertically, i.e. sometimes for counterpoint and sometimes for harmonic resources. I've written a lot of other chromatic music, I'll post some later. And as always, thank you for taking the time to listen to my music. Best, dp From smcameron at yahoo.com Fri Oct 27 09:08:29 2006 From: smcameron at yahoo.com (Stephen Cameron) Date: Fri Oct 27 09:09:07 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Music: Running Through The Night on drums In-Reply-To: <4542010C.5050602@woh.rr.com> Message-ID: <20061027130829.24229.qmail@web33011.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- Dave Phillips wrote: > Thorsten Wilms wrote: > > >Obviously I like percussion and Will explicitly asked for it, his track did, too :) > > > And the collaboration was most fruitful. I enjoyed the track, and I > don't think it would sound as captivating without the percussion. It > would probably be pleasant, but it definitely gets kicked into higher > gear with the percs. One might say he really perc'ed it up. *goes back to lurking* __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From gkjoyce at gmail.com Fri Oct 27 09:36:08 2006 From: gkjoyce at gmail.com (greg) Date: Fri Oct 27 09:36:22 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Digital DJ control In-Reply-To: <200610271212.47656.noven@sincorp.org> References: <200610271212.47656.noven@sincorp.org> Message-ID: <1161956168.5902.10.camel@localhost> I haven't done any of this myself, but here are the best strategies I've read about. 1. get a sound card with enough outs to run your pc into a regular dj mixer and mix like a regular dj. You would still need some sort of control surface for transport / effects twiddling. 2. if you want to do scratchy stuff, there's the Ms. Pinky vinyl, and I think the Stanton Final Scratch works on the same principle. I don't know, but they might both be vinyl with SMPTE timecode on them. From hardbop200 at gmail.com Fri Oct 27 10:25:57 2006 From: hardbop200 at gmail.com (Josh Lawrence) Date: Fri Oct 27 10:26:04 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [Music] The deluge continues In-Reply-To: <45413CBA.8080000@woh.rr.com> References: <45413CBA.8080000@woh.rr.com> Message-ID: On 10/26/06, Dave Phillips wrote: > Unpeaceful music for disturbed dancers. Another imaginary piece, not > humanly playable without a boat-load of edits. > > Unfit for dissonance-challenged adults. Use with caution. Keep away from > children. > > Best, > > dp Dave, *Very* nice work, very enjoyable. Dissonant without being annoying. Schoenberg had nothing on you. :) I'd like to see the score on this. -- Josh Lawrence http://www.hardbop200.com From yves at jazzcomputer.org Fri Oct 27 10:34:42 2006 From: yves at jazzcomputer.org (Yves Potin) Date: Fri Oct 27 10:34:55 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [Music] The deluge continues In-Reply-To: References: <45413CBA.8080000@woh.rr.com> Message-ID: <20061027143442.GI11024@localhost> Le 27 Oct ? 09:25, Josh Lawrence ecrivait: > *Very* nice work, very enjoyable. Dissonant without being annoying. > Schoenberg had nothing on you. :) > > I'd like to see the score on this. I agree :). One thing particularly difficult, IMHO, was to obtain such a neat and clear sound in the low medium of the guitar, with the Bassoon also playing (I mean writing this, not simply playing and mixing). Really great piece :). Y. From J.M.Needham at bath.ac.uk Fri Oct 27 11:40:17 2006 From: J.M.Needham at bath.ac.uk (Jonty Needham) Date: Fri Oct 27 11:40:39 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [Music] The deluge continues In-Reply-To: <45413CBA.8080000@woh.rr.com> References: <45413CBA.8080000@woh.rr.com> Message-ID: <200610271640.18665.J.M.Needham@bath.ac.uk> What software did you use? The flute is brilliant, the guitar is wonderful, andthe texture on the bassoon is great. How did you do it all? On Thursday 26 October 2006 23:54, Dave Phillips wrote: > Greetings: > > http://www.archive.org/details/TrioForFluteGuitarAndBassoon > > Unpeaceful music for disturbed dancers. Another imaginary piece, not > humanly playable without a boat-load of edits. > > Unfit for dissonance-challenged adults. Use with caution. Keep away from > children. > > Best, > > dp From dlphillips at woh.rr.com Fri Oct 27 12:21:31 2006 From: dlphillips at woh.rr.com (Dave Phillips) Date: Fri Oct 27 11:53:56 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [Music] Will he never stop ?! Message-ID: <4542320B.3050803@woh.rr.com> Greetings: http://www.archive.org/details/Trio01ForFluteGuitarAndHarp Whole-wheat music from NW Ohio in the Midwest USA. All chords guaranteed completely tonal, just like Mom used to bake 'em. Best, dp From dlphillips at woh.rr.com Fri Oct 27 13:27:15 2006 From: dlphillips at woh.rr.com (Dave Phillips) Date: Fri Oct 27 12:59:31 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [Music] The deluge continues In-Reply-To: <200610271640.18665.J.M.Needham@bath.ac.uk> References: <45413CBA.8080000@woh.rr.com> <200610271640.18665.J.M.Needham@bath.ac.uk> Message-ID: <45424173.3000603@woh.rr.com> Jonty Needham wrote: >What software did you use? The flute is brilliant, the guitar is wonderful, >and the texture on the bassoon is great. How did you do it all? > All instruments are from the 8mbgmsfx.sf2 soundfont, played via QSynth. The output from QSynth is routed to Jack Rack running the Versatile Plate Reverb LADSPA plugin. I recorded the original stereo WAV routing Jack Rack's output to ecasound. The MIDI sequence was created in Sequencer Plus Gold, running under DOSemu. I've been using this sequencer since 1985, by now it's a familiar instrument. I've written elsewhere in this thread re: the composition itself. It's basically a series of more-or-less related improvisations on a 12-tone row. Best, dp From t_w_ at freenet.de Fri Oct 27 13:05:51 2006 From: t_w_ at freenet.de (Thorsten Wilms) Date: Fri Oct 27 13:06:40 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [Music] Will he never stop ?! In-Reply-To: <4542320B.3050803@woh.rr.com> References: <4542320B.3050803@woh.rr.com> Message-ID: <20061027170551.GB5447@charly.SWORD> On Fri, Oct 27, 2006 at 12:21:31PM -0400, Dave Phillips wrote: > Greetings: > > http://www.archive.org/details/Trio01ForFluteGuitarAndHarp > > Whole-wheat music from NW Ohio in the Midwest USA. All chords guaranteed > completely tonal, just like Mom used to bake 'em. I can see the horizon far away and feel sunshine on my skin. At first amazing how good it sounds, but after a while the guitar got on my nerves a bit, being so static in sound ... well, of course nothing can replace the real instruments. Even though there's a lot of variation, it started to get a bit long for me at about 4 minutes. It's a keeper nonetheless, thanks for sharing :) Thanks for you nice words, btw, loved to hear 'captivating' and 'higher gear' :) -- Thorsten Wilms From john at johnlyon.tzo.com Fri Oct 27 13:06:43 2006 From: john at johnlyon.tzo.com (John Lyon) Date: Fri Oct 27 13:07:46 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [Music] The deluge continues In-Reply-To: <45424173.3000603@woh.rr.com> References: <45413CBA.8080000@woh.rr.com> <200610271640.18665.J.M.Needham@bath.ac.uk> <45424173.3000603@woh.rr.com> Message-ID: <3473.192.168.0.13.1161968803.squirrel@johnlyon.tzo.com> Dave, here's a question for you: Where did you learn about composing using the 12-tone row? >From the book by Schonberg? (sp?) From another source? I'd like to learn something about this concept, but have never run across a source... Thanks, John Lyon > Jonty Needham wrote: > >>What software did you use? The flute is brilliant, the guitar is >> wonderful, >>and the texture on the bassoon is great. How did you do it all? >> > All instruments are from the 8mbgmsfx.sf2 soundfont, played via QSynth. > The output from QSynth is routed to Jack Rack running the Versatile > Plate Reverb LADSPA plugin. I recorded the original stereo WAV routing > Jack Rack's output to ecasound. > > The MIDI sequence was created in Sequencer Plus Gold, running under > DOSemu. I've been using this sequencer since 1985, by now it's a > familiar instrument. > > I've written elsewhere in this thread re: the composition itself. It's > basically a series of more-or-less related improvisations on a 12-tone > row. > > Best, > > dp > > From drucer99 at yahoo.com Fri Oct 27 13:35:02 2006 From: drucer99 at yahoo.com (Drucer Ninetynine) Date: Fri Oct 27 13:35:09 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [Music] Will he never stop ?! In-Reply-To: <4542320B.3050803@woh.rr.com> Message-ID: <20061027173503.30049.qmail@web52204.mail.yahoo.com> --- Dave Phillips wrote: > Greetings: > > > http://www.archive.org/details/Trio01ForFluteGuitarAndHarp > > Whole-wheat music from NW Ohio in the Midwest USA. > All chords guaranteed > completely tonal, just like Mom used to bake 'em. > > Best, > > dp > Dave, what have we done to deserve this? We're not worthy! :) You've certainly been in creative mood this week and that's great! Keep it up! __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From dlphillips at woh.rr.com Fri Oct 27 14:12:18 2006 From: dlphillips at woh.rr.com (Dave Phillips) Date: Fri Oct 27 13:44:43 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [Music] Will he never stop ?! In-Reply-To: <20061027170551.GB5447@charly.SWORD> References: <4542320B.3050803@woh.rr.com> <20061027170551.GB5447@charly.SWORD> Message-ID: <45424C02.30008@woh.rr.com> Thorsten Wilms wrote: >At first amazing how good it sounds, but after a while the >guitar got on my nerves a bit, being so static in sound ... >well, of course nothing can replace the real instruments. > > Ja, I didn't make much effort at "juicing" the sounds for this one. It's the oldest of the recent batch, I'm pretty tired of it by now. It was fun to write though. Maybe I'll touch up the MIDI data someday. >Even though there's a lot of variation, it started to get a >bit long for me at about 4 minutes. > > Yes, I was afraid it might be too long. It just kept getting bigger... Best, dp From dlphillips at woh.rr.com Fri Oct 27 14:29:51 2006 From: dlphillips at woh.rr.com (Dave Phillips) Date: Fri Oct 27 14:02:10 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [Music] The deluge continues In-Reply-To: <3473.192.168.0.13.1161968803.squirrel@johnlyon.tzo.com> References: <45413CBA.8080000@woh.rr.com> <200610271640.18665.J.M.Needham@bath.ac.uk> <45424173.3000603@woh.rr.com> <3473.192.168.0.13.1161968803.squirrel@johnlyon.tzo.com> Message-ID: <4542501F.9060007@woh.rr.com> John Lyon wrote: >Where did you learn about composing using the 12-tone row? > > Various books and scores, atonal ear-training, listening to a lot of freely and not-so-freely chromatic music. >From the book by Schonberg? (sp?) From another source? > > I started with Reginald Smith-Brindle's Serial Composition. Later I studied useful texts by Charles Wuorinen, George Perle, Pierre Boulez, many others. I'm also a big fan of Elliott Carter and Stefan Wolpe, their music and their theoretical writings. >I'd like to learn something about this concept, but have never run across a source... > > IMO the best approach is to get familiar with some of the early classics, especially the major works from Schoenberg and his students. You can really help yourself by studying free-interval ear-training (Modus Novus coupled with Solfege). Move on to Boulez's Le Marteau Sans Maitre, his second piano sonata, and Pli Selon Pli. Check out how differently the row concept was used by composers as diverse as Milton Babbitt, Roger Sessions, and Aaron Copland. Berg's operas are also mines of possibilities. Best, dp From pshirkey at boosthardware.com Fri Oct 27 14:46:15 2006 From: pshirkey at boosthardware.com (Patrick Shirkey) Date: Fri Oct 27 14:47:10 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] flash 9 beta In-Reply-To: <1161289834.17041.172.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <20061019154505.GB7333@slinkp.com> <1161275544.15860.201.camel@mindpipe> <4537D9E7.1000702@gmail.com> <1161289834.17041.172.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <454253F7.3030100@boosthardware.com> Paul Davis wrote: > > I don't have cable TV and without YT's probably illegal content i would > never have seen Stephen Colbert finally roast the president of the US > and the media, > I assume you mean the whitehouse correspondents dinner speech? "Even though 68% of Americans disapprove of this president... I believe it's just a lull and like Rocky, he will get back up and... actually Rocky lost in the first movie..." Scorching. With Bush sitting only 3 meters away having to listen to every word, and then he shakes his hand!!! -- Patrick Shirkey - Boost Hardware Ltd. Http://www.boosthardware.com Http://lau.linuxaudio.org - The Linux Audio Users guide ======================================== "Anything your mind can see you can manifest physically, then it will become reality" - Macka B From pshirkey at boosthardware.com Fri Oct 27 14:53:23 2006 From: pshirkey at boosthardware.com (Patrick Shirkey) Date: Fri Oct 27 14:53:45 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: E17 - our choice of WM in the future? In-Reply-To: <20061026181221.75875.qmail@web52203.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20061026181221.75875.qmail@web52203.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <454255A3.1060307@boosthardware.com> Drucer Ninetynine wrote: > --- Rob wrote: > >> E16 was popular with the tweaker set and I know e17 >> will be as >> well. I personally have no use for weird bitmap >> themes or >> partially transparent terminals or >> white-on-dark-brown color >> schemes or weird ornamental fonts that make me feel >> like I'm >> using a fake computer on the set of one of the CSI's >> or a >> desktop interface that consists of "right click on >> the desktop >> to do anything", and that's what I remember from >> e16. I think >> you just have to be a little more, uh, elite than me >> to >> appreciate that stuff. >> > > It's not about elitism and it's not about wanting > fonts that look obscure. It's about personality. It's > about having that complete freedom to choose how your > desktop looks and behaves. I think a lot of us people > who make music want to have a personal touch even when > it comes to their desktop software. The reason I > brought up this conversation was to find out how you > artists feel about WM that was created by artists. > Carsten Haitzler (aka rasterman) - the main man behind > the Enlightenment project has said that he's not a > coder, he's just an artist who has to write code to > make art. > I imagine he said that with tongue in cheek. Part of the reason that e17 has taken so long to get to this stage is because Raster has been otherwise employed in Tokyo working for Dokomo writing code for their latest Linux based cellphones among other things. -- Patrick Shirkey - Boost Hardware Ltd. Http://www.boosthardware.com Http://lau.linuxaudio.org - The Linux Audio Users guide ======================================== "Anything your mind can see you can manifest physically, then it will become reality" - Macka B From timg at expressmart.com Fri Oct 27 14:54:01 2006 From: timg at expressmart.com (Timothy Alan Gorman) Date: Fri Oct 27 14:54:52 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] flash 9 beta In-Reply-To: <454253F7.3030100@boosthardware.com> References: <20061019154505.GB7333@slinkp.com> <1161275544.15860.201.camel@mindpipe> <4537D9E7.1000702@gmail.com> <1161289834.17041.172.camel@localhost.localdomain> <454253F7.3030100@boosthardware.com> Message-ID: <454255C9.5010109@expressmart.com> Patrick Shirkey wrote: > Paul Davis wrote: >> >> I don't have cable TV and without YT's probably illegal content i would >> never have seen Stephen Colbert finally roast the president of the US >> and the media, >> > > I assume you mean the whitehouse correspondents dinner speech? > > "Even though 68% of Americans disapprove of this president... I > believe it's just a lull and like Rocky, he will get back up and... > actually Rocky lost in the first movie..." > > Scorching. With Bush sitting only 3 meters away having to listen to > every word, and then he shakes his hand!!! > > > > Although politics arent relevant here..... damn that guy's a nut case (bush) I mean really can he even speak clearly? -- ExpressMart.com
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From markknecht at gmail.com Fri Oct 27 15:01:03 2006 From: markknecht at gmail.com (Mark Knecht) Date: Fri Oct 27 15:01:12 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: E17 - our choice of WM in the future? In-Reply-To: <454255A3.1060307@boosthardware.com> References: <20061026181221.75875.qmail@web52203.mail.yahoo.com> <454255A3.1060307@boosthardware.com> Message-ID: <5bdc1c8b0610271201l2a688384m62644fc3590cf980@mail.gmail.com> On 10/27/06, Patrick Shirkey wrote: > > I imagine he said that with tongue in cheek. > > Part of the reason that e17 has taken so long to get to this stage is > because Raster has been otherwise employed in Tokyo working for Dokomo > writing code for their latest Linux based cellphones among other things. > For kicks I built E17. It runs on my AMD64 machine and looks fairly nice but many of the basic windowing operations seem sort of slow compared to Gnome. I suppose there are instructions around for how to build some menus but default out of the box it didn't give me access to any applications other than Firefox and a terminal so it is very minimal. I didn't look yet at what sort of memory footprint it might have. Since it seems slower than Gnome I wasn't that interested. Just my 2 cents, Mark From folderol at ukfsn.org Fri Oct 27 15:25:52 2006 From: folderol at ukfsn.org (Folderol) Date: Fri Oct 27 15:23:16 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [Music] Will he never stop ?! In-Reply-To: <4542320B.3050803@woh.rr.com> References: <4542320B.3050803@woh.rr.com> Message-ID: <20061027202552.32788a89@localhost> On Fri, 27 Oct 2006 12:21:31 -0400 Dave Phillips wrote: > Greetings: > > http://www.archive.org/details/Trio01ForFluteGuitarAndHarp > > Whole-wheat music from NW Ohio in the Midwest USA. All chords guaranteed > completely tonal, just like Mom used to bake 'em. > > Best, > > dp Oi! Slow down will you. You're knocking these out faster than I can listen to them :) Nice work anyway! -- Will J G From folderol at ukfsn.org Fri Oct 27 15:32:54 2006 From: folderol at ukfsn.org (Folderol) Date: Fri Oct 27 15:30:23 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Music: Running Through The Night on drums In-Reply-To: <4542010C.5050602@woh.rr.com> References: <20061025211039.GC5626@charly.SWORD> <200610252338.36265.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> <20061026152351.GA5422@charly.SWORD> <200610262123.17165.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> <20061027075721.GA5447@charly.SWORD> <4542010C.5050602@woh.rr.com> Message-ID: <20061027203254.132d6f98@localhost> On Fri, 27 Oct 2006 08:52:28 -0400 Dave Phillips wrote: > Thorsten Wilms wrote: > > >Obviously I like percussion and Will explicitly asked for it, his track did, too :) > > > And the collaboration was most fruitful. I enjoyed the track, and I > don't think it would sound as captivating without the percussion. It > would probably be pleasant, but it definitely gets kicked into higher > gear with the percs. > > Good work from both Will and Thorsten. :) > > Best, > > dp Thanks. I always make it clear that my own percussion attempts are pretty dire. I am painfully aware that quite a lot could be improved with a decent perc. track, and am always open to suggestions/collaboration. Bear in mind that the VERY few pieces on my website with percussion took many hours to get as good as they are, and represent my best efforts. -- Will J G From folderol at ukfsn.org Fri Oct 27 15:34:04 2006 From: folderol at ukfsn.org (Folderol) Date: Fri Oct 27 15:31:43 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Music: Running Through The Night on drums In-Reply-To: <20061027130829.24229.qmail@web33011.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <4542010C.5050602@woh.rr.com> <20061027130829.24229.qmail@web33011.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20061027203404.132775d7@localhost> On Fri, 27 Oct 2006 06:08:29 -0700 (PDT) Stephen Cameron wrote: > > > --- Dave Phillips wrote: > > > Thorsten Wilms wrote: > > > > >Obviously I like percussion and Will explicitly asked for it, his track did, too :) > > > > > And the collaboration was most fruitful. I enjoyed the track, and I > > don't think it would sound as captivating without the percussion. It > > would probably be pleasant, but it definitely gets kicked into higher > > gear with the percs. > > One might say he really perc'ed it up. If there are no laws against this sort of comment there should be! :) > *goes back to lurking* Shirley Knott -- Will J G From folderol at ukfsn.org Fri Oct 27 15:51:52 2006 From: folderol at ukfsn.org (Folderol) Date: Fri Oct 27 15:51:01 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Just a comment Message-ID: <20061027205152.33d81750@localhost> Can I ask that people make sure they fill in the tags for music they put up. It makes it a LOT easier for us absent-minded gezzers to keep track of who did what! I use 'EasyTag' It's on sourceforge and can tag all the usual file formats. -- Will J G From paul at linuxaudiosystems.com Fri Oct 27 15:49:57 2006 From: paul at linuxaudiosystems.com (Paul Davis) Date: Fri Oct 27 15:52:47 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [Music] The deluge continues In-Reply-To: <4542501F.9060007@woh.rr.com> References: <45413CBA.8080000@woh.rr.com> <200610271640.18665.J.M.Needham@bath.ac.uk> <45424173.3000603@woh.rr.com> <3473.192.168.0.13.1161968803.squirrel@johnlyon.tzo.com> <4542501F.9060007@woh.rr.com> Message-ID: <1161978597.2309.222.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Fri, 2006-10-27 at 14:29 -0400, Dave Phillips wrote: > John Lyon wrote: > > >Where did you learn about composing using the 12-tone row? > > > > > Various books and scores, atonal ear-training, listening to a lot of > freely and not-so-freely chromatic music. > > >From the book by Schonberg? (sp?) From another source? > > > > > I started with Reginald Smith-Brindle's Serial Composition. Later I > studied useful texts by Charles Wuorinen, George Perle, Pierre Boulez, > many others. I'm also a big fan of Elliott Carter and Stefan Wolpe, > their music and their theoretical writings. i might also humbly add "Music of The Whole Earth" which will provide you with a very big picture view of scales, intervals and tone selection against which the various forms used in the west over the last 600 years become merely a handful of possibilities amidst a sea of beauty. not a help with 12 tone specifically, but it helped me see where it fits into the ocean of the possible. --p From drucer99 at yahoo.com Fri Oct 27 16:01:45 2006 From: drucer99 at yahoo.com (Drucer Ninetynine) Date: Fri Oct 27 16:02:17 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Searching for inspiration Message-ID: <20061027200145.56762.qmail@web52211.mail.yahoo.com> Hmm.. Dave's been creative this week so I grabbed my guitar and wanted to write a new song too. I've been looking for inspiration and I've come up with something, but I'm not quite there yet :) I had some mellow red wine and it made me smile. Been watching youtube videos trying to get into the right mood. Why, oh why didn't I write this song? This I would have wanted to sing to my girl - show me a girl that would not melt in front of this song? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XIoMGY4Ecno Damn! Music is THE greatest thing in this life (after true love, haha ;)! Anyway, have a great friday folks! __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From drucer99 at yahoo.com Fri Oct 27 16:12:34 2006 From: drucer99 at yahoo.com (Drucer Ninetynine) Date: Fri Oct 27 16:12:42 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: E17 - our choice of WM in the future? In-Reply-To: <5bdc1c8b0610271201l2a688384m62644fc3590cf980@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20061027201234.60043.qmail@web52205.mail.yahoo.com> --- Mark Knecht wrote: > For kicks I built E17. It runs on my AMD64 machine > and looks fairly > nice but many of the basic windowing operations seem > sort of slow > compared to Gnome. Did you check the configuration tool? Check it out - you can set the value of frames per second. I do not remember what the default value was, but I could set it up to 200 frames per second with my 2.8GHz P4 system with Matrox Parhelia P650 graphics adapter. It was faster than anything else I've tried with this computer (and I've been running XFCE mostly). Anyway, maybe you compiled it with wrong options or something. It should not be slower than Gnome under any circuimstances. I suggest you wait until it's officially released and then test it and see if you like it. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From hardbop200 at gmail.com Fri Oct 27 17:08:42 2006 From: hardbop200 at gmail.com (Josh Lawrence) Date: Fri Oct 27 17:08:51 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: E17 - our choice of WM in the future? In-Reply-To: <20061027201234.60043.qmail@web52205.mail.yahoo.com> References: <5bdc1c8b0610271201l2a688384m62644fc3590cf980@mail.gmail.com> <20061027201234.60043.qmail@web52205.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On 10/27/06, Drucer Ninetynine wrote: > Anyway, maybe you compiled it with wrong options or > something. It should not be slower than Gnome under > any circuimstances. I suggest you wait until it's > officially released and then test it and see if you > like it. Any idea if/when this will show up in the Debian repos for Etch? -- Josh Lawrence http://www.hardbop200.com From drucer99 at yahoo.com Fri Oct 27 17:33:28 2006 From: drucer99 at yahoo.com (Drucer Ninetynine) Date: Fri Oct 27 17:33:38 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: E17 - our choice of WM in the future? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20061027213328.80632.qmail@web52212.mail.yahoo.com> --- Josh Lawrence wrote: > > Any idea if/when this will show up in the Debian > repos for Etch? > > -- > Josh Lawrence > http://www.hardbop200.com > Unfortunately I do not have any idea when it's officially released, but my guess is the CVS version is already available for Debian. Even some Ubuntu users have been able to install it by using some unofficial repositories - I guess Debian users would be able to use the same repos. ____________________________________________________________________________________ We have the perfect Group for you. Check out the handy changes to Yahoo! Groups (http://groups.yahoo.com) From drucer99 at yahoo.com Fri Oct 27 17:36:54 2006 From: drucer99 at yahoo.com (Drucer Ninetynine) Date: Fri Oct 27 17:37:04 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: E17 - our choice of WM in the future? In-Reply-To: <20061027201234.60043.qmail@web52205.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20061027213654.97966.qmail@web52203.mail.yahoo.com> BTW, here you can find some results of speed tests (E17 was tested against several well known desktop environments): http://www.rasterman.com/index.php?page=News Scroll the page down to "Sunday, 29 May 2005" - because I do not know how to link to that exact part of the page. ____________________________________________________________________________________ Access over 1 million songs - Yahoo! Music Unlimited (http://music.yahoo.com/unlimited) From markknecht at gmail.com Fri Oct 27 17:49:51 2006 From: markknecht at gmail.com (Mark Knecht) Date: Fri Oct 27 17:49:58 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: E17 - our choice of WM in the future? In-Reply-To: <20061027201234.60043.qmail@web52205.mail.yahoo.com> References: <5bdc1c8b0610271201l2a688384m62644fc3590cf980@mail.gmail.com> <20061027201234.60043.qmail@web52205.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <5bdc1c8b0610271449g1ba37faawd58da6f30cc52b40@mail.gmail.com> On 10/27/06, Drucer Ninetynine wrote: > > > --- Mark Knecht wrote: > > > For kicks I built E17. It runs on my AMD64 machine > > and looks fairly > > nice but many of the basic windowing operations seem > > sort of slow > > compared to Gnome. > > Did you check the configuration tool? Check it out - > you can set the value of frames per second. I do not > remember what the default value was, but I could set > it up to 200 frames per second with my 2.8GHz P4 > system with Matrox Parhelia P650 graphics adapter. It > was faster than anything else I've tried with this > computer (and I've been running XFCE mostly). I didn't find any configuration tools, or they weren't obvious when I looked around with my mouse. None the less I'm not really talking about anything esoteric. It's just that I'll try moving a terminal around or flipping firefox in back and in front of something else and it seems sluggish. No big deal as there was a deal breaker I ran into immediately. When I run MythTV in a window under Gnome I can move it around on my screen. When I run it in a window in E17 I can move the control part of the GUI but when the video starts playing it's stuck in the upper left corner of the screen. That's not true on Gnome or KDE. However fvwm and E17 all fail the same way. fluxbox, interestingly, doesn't give me window decorations and incorrectly starts the video in the upper left even when the GUI is located elsewhere, but at least fluxbox allows the playing video to be moved where E17 and fvwm do not. > > Anyway, maybe you compiled it with wrong options or > something. It should not be slower than Gnome under > any circuimstances. I suggest you wait until it's > officially released and then test it and see if you > like it. > Yeah, most likely it's something I did or something they are not aware of. Looks to me like they have a lot of work to do to come up to full usability though. I've removed it from my system as it doesn;t look of value ot me right now. Cheers, Mark From folderol at ukfsn.org Fri Oct 27 17:57:01 2006 From: folderol at ukfsn.org (Folderol) Date: Fri Oct 27 17:54:26 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: E17 - our choice of WM in the future? In-Reply-To: <5bdc1c8b0610271449g1ba37faawd58da6f30cc52b40@mail.gmail.com> References: <5bdc1c8b0610271201l2a688384m62644fc3590cf980@mail.gmail.com> <20061027201234.60043.qmail@web52205.mail.yahoo.com> <5bdc1c8b0610271449g1ba37faawd58da6f30cc52b40@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20061027225701.346d5827@localhost> On Fri, 27 Oct 2006 14:49:51 -0700 "Mark Knecht" wrote: > On 10/27/06, Drucer Ninetynine wrote: > > > > > > --- Mark Knecht wrote: > > > > > For kicks I built E17. It runs on my AMD64 machine > > > and looks fairly > > > nice but many of the basic windowing operations seem > > > sort of slow > > > compared to Gnome. > > > > Did you check the configuration tool? Check it out - > > you can set the value of frames per second. I do not > > remember what the default value was, but I could set > > it up to 200 frames per second with my 2.8GHz P4 > > system with Matrox Parhelia P650 graphics adapter. It > > was faster than anything else I've tried with this > > computer (and I've been running XFCE mostly). > > I didn't find any configuration tools, or they weren't obvious when I > looked around with my mouse. None the less I'm not really talking > about anything esoteric. It's just that I'll try moving a terminal > around or flipping firefox in back and in front of something else and > it seems sluggish. > > No big deal as there was a deal breaker I ran into immediately. When I > run MythTV in a window under Gnome I can move it around on my screen. > When I run it in a window in E17 I can move the control part of the > GUI but when the video starts playing it's stuck in the upper left > corner of the screen. That's not true on Gnome or KDE. However fvwm > and E17 all fail the same way. fluxbox, interestingly, doesn't give me > window decorations and incorrectly starts the video in the upper left > even when the GUI is located elsewhere, but at least fluxbox allows > the playing video to be moved where E17 and fvwm do not. > > > > > Anyway, maybe you compiled it with wrong options or > > something. It should not be slower than Gnome under > > any circuimstances. I suggest you wait until it's > > officially released and then test it and see if you > > like it. > > > > Yeah, most likely it's something I did or something they are not aware > of. Looks to me like they have a lot of work to do to come up to full > usability though. > > I've removed it from my system as it doesn;t look of value ot me right now. > > Cheers, > Mark FWIW I use the ROX desktop with OroboROX as the WM. It seems pretty snappy to me, and VERY configurable. -- Will J G From folderol at ukfsn.org Fri Oct 27 18:24:27 2006 From: folderol at ukfsn.org (Folderol) Date: Fri Oct 27 18:21:52 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Ho Hum, another try Message-ID: <20061027232427.4e170fe6@localhost> I'm making another attempt to get a modern distro working for general work as well as music. Currently I'm trying 64Studio. I think I've now got everything working except printing. Cups doesn't appear to have any drivers for Cannon printers (mine is a BJC250) - indeed it only seems to have a tiny handful of Epson and HP drivers. I've done a fair amount of googling for info, but as usual just seem to end up going round in circles getting progressively more confused. I've also tried uninstalling guten-print and reinstalling it (this was suggested in one thread) but to no avail. Any help would be appreciated. -- Will J G From dubphil at free.fr Fri Oct 27 19:13:50 2006 From: dubphil at free.fr (Dubphil) Date: Fri Oct 27 19:13:39 2006 Subject: sequencing Specimen with seq24 (was Re: [linux-audio-user] Smack and Seq24) In-Reply-To: <50096.192.168.0.2.1161731725.squirrel@webmail.migratis.net> References: <3429.80.124.137.204.1161337534.squirrel@webmail.migratis.net> <4538A9E2.3040000@linuxuse.de> <4722.80.124.137.204.1161348396.squirrel@webmail.migratis.net> <200610210214.39965.mista.tapas@gmx.net> <1161395127.24563.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> <453B2BA0.5040205@free.fr> <1161506274.11635.0.camel@c213-100-20-9.swipnet.se> <453B332D.7060102@free.fr> <1161549938.26256.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> <50096.192.168.0.2.1161731725.squirrel@webmail.migratis.net> Message-ID: <454292AE.70706@free.fr> Dubphil a ?crit : > > ok I've found how to connect one seq24 sequence to 4 specimen instances. > Now I was pretty sure that it was bossible to map the midi keyboard with > specimen, like having the bassdrum patch going to the C1 key only, for > example. But in fact I can't remind how to do this... > ok self answer ;) it was just a matter of middle button click on the upper line of the keyboard not easy to find... I saw this on the screenshots of the specimen website. Regards Philippe From listreader at lupulin.net Fri Oct 27 19:49:06 2006 From: listreader at lupulin.net (paul wisehart) Date: Fri Oct 27 19:43:39 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Ho Hum, another try In-Reply-To: <20061027232427.4e170fe6@localhost> References: <20061027232427.4e170fe6@localhost> Message-ID: <45429AF2.8060005@lupulin.net> Folderol wrote: > I'm making another attempt to get a modern distro working for general > work as well as music. > > Currently I'm trying 64Studio. I think I've now got everything working > except printing. > > Cups doesn't appear to have any drivers for Cannon printers (mine is a > BJC250) - indeed it only seems to have a tiny handful of Epson and HP > drivers. > > I've done a fair amount of googling for info, but as usual just seem > to end up going round in circles getting progressively more confused. > > I've also tried uninstalling guten-print and reinstalling it (this was > suggested in one thread) but to no avail. > > Any help would be appreciated. > linux-AUDIO-user people ... ^^^^^ From hardbop200 at gmail.com Fri Oct 27 21:22:05 2006 From: hardbop200 at gmail.com (Josh Lawrence) Date: Fri Oct 27 21:22:13 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] flash 9 beta In-Reply-To: <454255C9.5010109@expressmart.com> References: <20061019154505.GB7333@slinkp.com> <1161275544.15860.201.camel@mindpipe> <4537D9E7.1000702@gmail.com> <1161289834.17041.172.camel@localhost.localdomain> <454253F7.3030100@boosthardware.com> <454255C9.5010109@expressmart.com> Message-ID: On 10/27/06, Timothy Alan Gorman wrote: > Although politics arent relevant here..... > damn that guy's a nut case (bush) I mean really can he even speak clearly? Folks, I've absolutely had enough of this. As was pointed out when someone asked a printing question tonight, this is a LINUX AUDIO LIST, which doesn't have one single damn thing to do with politics. Please keep your political opinions to yourself, or voice them on another list - they have no business here. -- Josh Lawrence http://www.hardbop200.com From _ at whats-your.name Fri Oct 27 21:26:31 2006 From: _ at whats-your.name (carmen) Date: Fri Oct 27 21:26:43 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] flash 9 beta In-Reply-To: References: <20061019154505.GB7333@slinkp.com> <1161275544.15860.201.camel@mindpipe> <4537D9E7.1000702@gmail.com> <1161289834.17041.172.camel@localhost.localdomain> <454253F7.3030100@boosthardware.com> <454255C9.5010109@expressmart.com> Message-ID: <20061028012631.GA5268@replic.net> On Fri Oct 27, 2006 at 08:22:05PM -0500, Josh Lawrence wrote: > On 10/27/06, Timothy Alan Gorman wrote: > >Although politics arent relevant here..... > >damn that guy's a nut case (bush) I mean really can he even speak clearly? > > Folks, I've absolutely had enough of this. As was pointed out when > someone asked a printing question tonight, this is a LINUX AUDIO LIST, > which doesn't have one single damn thing to do with politics. actually it has quite a bit. just check any thread on video cards, firewire devices, binary firmwares and kernel modules, software patents, content licensing.. youre welcome to ignore the threads you dont find interesting, instead of stepping in merely to say 'this thread shouldnt exist'.. cheers > Please > keep your political opinions to yourself, or voice them on another > list - they have no business here. > > -- > Josh Lawrence > http://www.hardbop200.com > From rlrevell at joe-job.com Fri Oct 27 21:35:19 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Fri Oct 27 21:35:28 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] flash 9 beta In-Reply-To: <20061028012631.GA5268@replic.net> References: <20061019154505.GB7333@slinkp.com> <1161275544.15860.201.camel@mindpipe> <4537D9E7.1000702@gmail.com> <1161289834.17041.172.camel@localhost.localdomain> <454253F7.3030100@boosthardware.com> <454255C9.5010109@expressmart.com> <20061028012631.GA5268@replic.net> Message-ID: <1161999319.27225.251.camel@mindpipe> On Sat, 2006-10-28 at 01:26 +0000, carmen wrote: > On Fri Oct 27, 2006 at 08:22:05PM -0500, Josh Lawrence wrote: > > On 10/27/06, Timothy Alan Gorman wrote: > > >Although politics arent relevant here..... > > >damn that guy's a nut case (bush) I mean really can he even speak clearly? > > > > Folks, I've absolutely had enough of this. As was pointed out when > > someone asked a printing question tonight, this is a LINUX AUDIO LIST, > > which doesn't have one single damn thing to do with politics. > > actually it has quite a bit. just check any thread on video cards, firewire devices, binary firmwares and kernel modules, software patents, content licensing.. > Those things are all directly relevant to Linux audio. Lee From hardbop200 at gmail.com Fri Oct 27 21:51:38 2006 From: hardbop200 at gmail.com (Josh Lawrence) Date: Fri Oct 27 21:51:47 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] flash 9 beta In-Reply-To: <1161999319.27225.251.camel@mindpipe> References: <20061019154505.GB7333@slinkp.com> <1161275544.15860.201.camel@mindpipe> <4537D9E7.1000702@gmail.com> <1161289834.17041.172.camel@localhost.localdomain> <454253F7.3030100@boosthardware.com> <454255C9.5010109@expressmart.com> <20061028012631.GA5268@replic.net> <1161999319.27225.251.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: On 10/27/06, Lee Revell wrote: > Those things are all directly relevant to Linux audio. > > Lee > > Yes, those things do. They are very relevant to Linux audio, and I hope we discuss them at great length. You obviously did not read my objection very closely. If you had, you will note that it was in response to comments related to politics, not flash. I care nothing of anyone's opinion on politics. When the day comes that Bush has something to do with getting flash to work on a Linux system, I will gladly back off. Until then, it simply has no place on this list. -- Josh Lawrence http://www.hardbop200.com From hardbop200 at gmail.com Fri Oct 27 21:52:33 2006 From: hardbop200 at gmail.com (Josh Lawrence) Date: Fri Oct 27 21:52:59 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] flash 9 beta In-Reply-To: <20061028012631.GA5268@replic.net> References: <20061019154505.GB7333@slinkp.com> <1161275544.15860.201.camel@mindpipe> <4537D9E7.1000702@gmail.com> <1161289834.17041.172.camel@localhost.localdomain> <454253F7.3030100@boosthardware.com> <454255C9.5010109@expressmart.com> <20061028012631.GA5268@replic.net> Message-ID: On 10/27/06, carmen <_@whats-your.name> wrote: > youre welcome to ignore the threads you dont find interesting, instead of stepping in merely to say 'this thread shouldnt exist'.. > > cheers Which I gladly do. Again, read the objection again. Linux audio. President Bush. I absolutely do not see a connection. The thread is fine, the politics can go. -- Josh Lawrence http://www.hardbop200.com From pshirkey at boosthardware.com Sat Oct 28 00:40:32 2006 From: pshirkey at boosthardware.com (Patrick Shirkey) Date: Sat Oct 28 00:40:47 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] flash 9 beta In-Reply-To: References: <20061019154505.GB7333@slinkp.com> <1161275544.15860.201.camel@mindpipe> <4537D9E7.1000702@gmail.com> <1161289834.17041.172.camel@localhost.localdomain> <454253F7.3030100@boosthardware.com> <454255C9.5010109@expressmart.com> <20061028012631.GA5268@replic.net> Message-ID: <4542DF40.2050009@boosthardware.com> Josh Lawrence wrote: > On 10/27/06, carmen <_@whats-your.name> wrote: >> youre welcome to ignore the threads you dont find interesting, instead >> of stepping in merely to say 'this thread shouldnt exist'.. >> >> cheers > > Which I gladly do. Again, read the objection again. Linux audio. > President Bush. I absolutely do not see a connection. > > The thread is fine, the politics can go. > Seeing as how we are splitting hairs. The vids mentioned were in Flash format on YT which is the main reason for discussing Flash in the first place. The topic of the clips was a certain person that has polarised the world (not to mention the country of his origin) so it's only to be expected that a few vicious comments are burped into the thread... Complaining about people complaining about Bush is like complaining about people complaining about mosquito bites. Everyone has an itch and no one likes the reason for the itch (although some - apparently 32% - are more tolerant than others). Personally I find it comforting to occasionally hear from an American who is mortified at the way their country is run. That the person in question is a senior Linux Audio developer lends weight to the point being relevant to Linux Audio Users. Of course it's up to each of us to decide how much weight we give it as with every other comment made via this list. -- Patrick Shirkey - Boost Hardware Ltd. Http://www.boosthardware.com Http://lau.linuxaudio.org - The Linux Audio Users guide ======================================== "Anything your mind can see you can manifest physically, then it will become reality" - Macka B From paniq at paniq.org Sat Oct 28 01:44:07 2006 From: paniq at paniq.org (Leonard "paniq" Ritter) Date: Sat Oct 28 01:44:25 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] flash 9 beta In-Reply-To: References: <20061019154505.GB7333@slinkp.com> <1161275544.15860.201.camel@mindpipe> <4537D9E7.1000702@gmail.com> <1161289834.17041.172.camel@localhost.localdomain> <454253F7.3030100@boosthardware.com> <454255C9.5010109@expressmart.com> <20061028012631.GA5268@replic.net> Message-ID: <1162014247.6099.3.camel@localhost> no politics on the internets! On Fri, 2006-10-27 at 20:52 -0500, Josh Lawrence wrote: > On 10/27/06, carmen <_@whats-your.name> wrote: > > youre welcome to ignore the threads you dont find interesting, instead of stepping in merely to say 'this thread shouldnt exist'.. > > > > cheers > > Which I gladly do. Again, read the objection again. Linux audio. > President Bush. I absolutely do not see a connection. > > The thread is fine, the politics can go. > -- -- Leonard Ritter -- http://www.leonard-ritter.com -- http://www.paniq.org From gnome at hawaii.rr.com Sat Oct 28 02:06:41 2006 From: gnome at hawaii.rr.com (david) Date: Sat Oct 28 02:06:51 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] flash 9 beta In-Reply-To: <1162014247.6099.3.camel@localhost> References: <20061019154505.GB7333@slinkp.com> <1161275544.15860.201.camel@mindpipe> <4537D9E7.1000702@gmail.com> <1161289834.17041.172.camel@localhost.localdomain> <454253F7.3030100@boosthardware.com> <454255C9.5010109@expressmart.com> <20061028012631.GA5268@replic.net> <1162014247.6099.3.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <4542F371.9050301@hawaii.rr.com> I was going to make comments about politicians in Australia and New Zealand and other supposedly-better places, but I think I'll just stick with: politics = "poly" (many) + "tics" (blood suckers). ;-) Leonard "paniq" Ritter wrote: > no politics on the internets! > > On Fri, 2006-10-27 at 20:52 -0500, Josh Lawrence wrote: >> On 10/27/06, carmen <_@whats-your.name> wrote: >>> youre welcome to ignore the threads you dont find interesting, instead of stepping in merely to say 'this thread shouldnt exist'.. >>> >>> cheers >> Which I gladly do. Again, read the objection again. Linux audio. >> President Bush. I absolutely do not see a connection. >> >> The thread is fine, the politics can go. -- David gnome@hawaii.rr.com authenticity, honesty, community From paniq at paniq.org Sat Oct 28 02:16:02 2006 From: paniq at paniq.org (Leonard "paniq" Ritter) Date: Sat Oct 28 02:16:14 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] flash 9 beta In-Reply-To: <4542F371.9050301@hawaii.rr.com> References: <20061019154505.GB7333@slinkp.com> <1161275544.15860.201.camel@mindpipe> <4537D9E7.1000702@gmail.com> <1161289834.17041.172.camel@localhost.localdomain> <454253F7.3030100@boosthardware.com> <454255C9.5010109@expressmart.com> <20061028012631.GA5268@replic.net> <1162014247.6099.3.camel@localhost> <4542F371.9050301@hawaii.rr.com> Message-ID: <1162016162.6099.6.camel@localhost> perhaps a tough one: would bush be able to use .. the alsa? or would he rather favor the jack? is he able to see the merits of cross-process audio mixing? would he install the flash 9? allright allright, i stop, or josh will kick me off the list ;) On Fri, 2006-10-27 at 20:06 -1000, david wrote: > I was going to make comments about politicians in Australia and New > Zealand and other supposedly-better places, but I think I'll just stick > with: politics = "poly" (many) + "tics" (blood suckers). ;-) > > Leonard "paniq" Ritter wrote: > > no politics on the internets! > > > > On Fri, 2006-10-27 at 20:52 -0500, Josh Lawrence wrote: > >> On 10/27/06, carmen <_@whats-your.name> wrote: > >>> youre welcome to ignore the threads you dont find interesting, instead of stepping in merely to say 'this thread shouldnt exist'.. > >>> > >>> cheers > >> Which I gladly do. Again, read the objection again. Linux audio. > >> President Bush. I absolutely do not see a connection. > >> > >> The thread is fine, the politics can go. > -- -- Leonard Ritter -- http://www.leonard-ritter.com -- http://www.paniq.org From hardbop200 at gmail.com Sat Oct 28 02:25:13 2006 From: hardbop200 at gmail.com (Josh Lawrence) Date: Sat Oct 28 02:25:21 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] flash 9 beta In-Reply-To: <1162016162.6099.6.camel@localhost> References: <20061019154505.GB7333@slinkp.com> <1161289834.17041.172.camel@localhost.localdomain> <454253F7.3030100@boosthardware.com> <454255C9.5010109@expressmart.com> <20061028012631.GA5268@replic.net> <1162014247.6099.3.camel@localhost> <4542F371.9050301@hawaii.rr.com> <1162016162.6099.6.camel@localhost> Message-ID: On 10/28/06, Leonard paniq Ritter wrote: > perhaps a tough one: would bush be able to use .. the alsa? or would he > rather favor the jack? is he able to see the merits of cross-process > audio mixing? would he install the flash 9? > > allright allright, i stop, or josh will kick me off the list ;) Okay, okay, allright, that was funny. :) Seriously - I'm just really tired of being saturated by this political stuff all day long. It's nice to come home and read about Linux, just Linux. Make sense? Josh Still trying to figure out what cross-prosses audio mixing is... -- Josh Lawrence http://www.hardbop200.com From J.M.Needham at bath.ac.uk Sat Oct 28 05:23:09 2006 From: J.M.Needham at bath.ac.uk (J M Needham) Date: Sat Oct 28 05:23:21 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Jack wierdness Message-ID: Just downloaded some updates in Suse 10.1 and now Jack won't start with the output message 10:15:09.194 Startup script... 10:15:09.197 artsshell -q terminate unix_connect: can't connect to server (unix:/tmp/ksocket-jonty/Hardcore101.site-3927-45230e26) 10:15:09.697 Startup script terminated with exit status=256. 10:15:09.700 JACK is starting... 10:15:09.701 jackd -R -p128 -dalsa -dhw:0 -r44100 -p512 -n2 10:15:09.734 JACK was started with PID=5500 (0x157c). jackd 0.102.20 Copyright 2001-2005 Paul Davis and others. jackd comes with ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY This is free software, and you are welcome to redistribute it under certain conditions; see the file COPYING for details JACK compiled with POSIX SHM support. cannot use real-time scheduling (FIFO at priority 10) [for thread -1210202448, from thread -1210202448] (1: Operation not permitted) cannot create engine 10:15:09.742 JACK was stopped successfully. 10:15:11.828 Could not connect to JACK server as client. Please check the messages window for more info. I don't understand this. The only thing I think it could be is "cannot use real-time scheduling (FIFO at priority 10) [for thread -1210202448, from thread -1210202448] (1: Operation not permitted)" but I have no idea how to do it. Having googled the best I found was to reboot. I checked if it ran as root, which it did. Which device do I have to change persmissions of to get ti to run as user again, and why on earth would an update change who is allowed to start it? It's worked as user up until now! Many thanks in advance. God Bless Jonty From ireneshusband at gmail.com Sat Oct 28 06:18:25 2006 From: ireneshusband at gmail.com (Robert Persson) Date: Sat Oct 28 06:17:32 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] OT [was:flash 9 beta] YouTube on Democracy Player In-Reply-To: <453AA332.8050305@gmail.com> References: <20061019154505.GB7333@slinkp.com> <1161275544.15860.201.camel@mindpipe> <4537D9E7.1000702@gmail.com> <453AA332.8050305@gmail.com> Message-ID: <45432E71.7040809@gmail.com> Atte Andr? Jensen wrote: > Robert Persson wrote: > > > Ok, installed democracy player, works great. However I searched > youtube for Charlie Parker, and the clips I found won't play in DP. Is > there something I should do, is it a bug or isn't this supposed to > work in the first place? Ah. In that case it is probably my ignorance that has prevented me finding anything decent on youtube. I would never have said it was useless if I knew you could unearth clips of Charlie Parker. Maybe it was another service I was getting it mixed up with because I remember going somewhere a couple of months ago and finding nothing but puerile dross. I went there just now and was instantly able to end my 21 year quest to see Bill Nelson's "Do you dream in colour?" again, albeit very fuzzily. Democracy Player is simply another way to distribute video over the internet without the poor quality and other technical limitations you get with google, youtube etc. To watch youtube video in a different player you first need to download the clip. What does this for me is the online tool at http://wish.kuso.cc/youtube/, but there are also firefox extensions that are supposed to work. Then you need to play the clip. I'm using mplayer because the build I have of it decompresses faster than the others. You may want to convert the clip to something else if you don't have a very powerful machine and you can stand the long wait. The script at http://www.linux.com/article.pl?sid=06/08/22/2121258 made a rather poor job of this, but at least it means it can be done. From nomoa at wanadoo.fr Sat Oct 28 06:21:50 2006 From: nomoa at wanadoo.fr (David Causse) Date: Sat Oct 28 06:22:09 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Jack wierdness In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <45432F3E.5050702@wanadoo.fr> J M Needham wrote: > Just downloaded some updates in Suse 10.1 and now Jack won't start with > the output message > 10:15:09.194 Startup script... > 10:15:09.197 artsshell -q terminate > unix_connect: can't connect to server > (unix:/tmp/ksocket-jonty/Hardcore101.site-3927-45230e26) > 10:15:09.697 Startup script terminated with exit status=256. > 10:15:09.700 JACK is starting... > 10:15:09.701 jackd -R -p128 -dalsa -dhw:0 -r44100 -p512 -n2 > 10:15:09.734 JACK was started with PID=5500 (0x157c). > jackd 0.102.20 > Copyright 2001-2005 Paul Davis and others. > jackd comes with ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY > This is free software, and you are welcome to redistribute it > under certain conditions; see the file COPYING for details > JACK compiled with POSIX SHM support. > cannot use real-time scheduling (FIFO at priority 10) [for thread > -1210202448, from thread -1210202448] (1: Operation not permitted) > cannot create engine > 10:15:09.742 JACK was stopped successfully. > 10:15:11.828 Could not connect to JACK server as client. Please check the > messages window for more info. > > I don't understand this. The only thing I think it could be is "cannot use > real-time scheduling (FIFO at priority 10) [for thread > -1210202448, from thread -1210202448] (1: Operation not permitted)" but I > have no idea how to do it. Having googled the best I found was to reboot. > > I checked if it ran as root, which it did. Which device do I have to > change persmissions of to get ti to run as user again, and why on earth > would an update change who is allowed to start it? It's worked as user up > until now! > > Maybe you upgraded some key packages like pam? You have 2 solutions to access RT priv with linux 2.6 : first one is the realtime module but there is no reason it stopped to work if you didn't recompile/upgrade your kernel. Second one is RLIMIT, open your /etc/security/limits.conf file and check if you have lines like this : @audio - rtprio 80 @audio - memlock 500000 (you need logout/login if you make changes to this file) And be careful on my system the syntax of rtprio has recently changed from "rt_priority" to "rtprio". It still not trivial today with linux to have realtime priv for normal user :( Good luck. David. From lars.luthman at gmail.com Sat Oct 28 09:25:16 2006 From: lars.luthman at gmail.com (Lars Luthman) Date: Sat Oct 28 09:25:29 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Jack wierdness In-Reply-To: <45432F3E.5050702@wanadoo.fr> References: <45432F3E.5050702@wanadoo.fr> Message-ID: <1162041916.11674.1.camel@c213-100-20-9.swipnet.se> On Sat, 2006-10-28 at 12:21 +0200, David Causse wrote: > It still not trivial today with linux to have realtime priv for normal > user :( The PAM way is about as trivial as it can be. It would be nice if the desktop oriented distributions would turn it on by default though, there is really no reason not to if you are not running server software. -- Lars Luthman - please encrypt any email sent to me if possible PGP key: http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x04C77E2E Fingerprint: FCA7 C790 19B9 322D EB7A E1B3 4371 4650 04C7 7E2E -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part Url : http://music.columbia.edu/pipermail/linux-audio-user/attachments/20061028/40526017/attachment.bin From eviltwin69 at cableone.net Sat Oct 28 10:42:57 2006 From: eviltwin69 at cableone.net (Jan Depner) Date: Sat Oct 28 11:00:13 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] OT [was:flash 9 beta] YouTube on Democracy Player In-Reply-To: <45432E71.7040809@gmail.com> References: <20061019154505.GB7333@slinkp.com> <1161275544.15860.201.camel@mindpipe> <4537D9E7.1000702@gmail.com> <453AA332.8050305@gmail.com> <45432E71.7040809@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1162046577.378.1.camel@eviltwin> On Sat, 2006-10-28 at 03:18 -0700, Robert Persson wrote: > Atte Andr? Jensen wrote: > > Robert Persson wrote: > > > > > > Ok, installed democracy player, works great. However I searched > > youtube for Charlie Parker, and the clips I found won't play in DP. Is > > there something I should do, is it a bug or isn't this supposed to > > work in the first place? > > Ah. In that case it is probably my ignorance that has prevented me > finding anything decent on youtube. I would never have said it was > useless if I knew you could unearth clips of Charlie Parker. Maybe it > was another service I was getting it mixed up with because I remember > going somewhere a couple of months ago and finding nothing but puerile > dross. Dude! Puerile Dross is one of my favorite bands ;-) -- Jan 'Evil Twin' Depner http://myweb.cableone.net/eviltwin69 "Life should NOT be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in an attractive and well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, chardonnay in one hand, chocolate in the other, body thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and screaming 'WOO HOO, what a ride'" From paul at linuxaudiosystems.com Sat Oct 28 11:57:17 2006 From: paul at linuxaudiosystems.com (Paul Davis) Date: Sat Oct 28 11:57:27 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] flash 9 beta In-Reply-To: <4542DF40.2050009@boosthardware.com> References: <20061019154505.GB7333@slinkp.com> <1161275544.15860.201.camel@mindpipe> <4537D9E7.1000702@gmail.com> <1161289834.17041.172.camel@localhost.localdomain> <454253F7.3030100@boosthardware.com> <454255C9.5010109@expressmart.com> <20061028012631.GA5268@replic.net> <4542DF40.2050009@boosthardware.com> Message-ID: <1162051037.2309.244.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Sat, 2006-10-28 at 11:40 +0700, Patrick Shirkey wrote: > Personally I find it comforting to occasionally hear from an American > who is mortified at the way their country is run. That the person in > question is a senior Linux Audio developer lends weight to the point > being relevant to Linux Audio Users. as said developer, i apologize for introducing the issue. it really has nothing to do with LAD or LAU, and i should have kept my mouth shut. note also that despite living in the US by choice for 18+ years, at this point, i don't think of myself of as american. From folderol at ukfsn.org Sat Oct 28 12:12:51 2006 From: folderol at ukfsn.org (Folderol) Date: Sat Oct 28 12:10:16 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] flash 9 beta In-Reply-To: <1162051037.2309.244.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <20061019154505.GB7333@slinkp.com> <1161275544.15860.201.camel@mindpipe> <4537D9E7.1000702@gmail.com> <1161289834.17041.172.camel@localhost.localdomain> <454253F7.3030100@boosthardware.com> <454255C9.5010109@expressmart.com> <20061028012631.GA5268@replic.net> <4542DF40.2050009@boosthardware.com> <1162051037.2309.244.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <20061028171251.463def01@localhost> On Sat, 28 Oct 2006 11:57:17 -0400 Paul Davis wrote: > On Sat, 2006-10-28 at 11:40 +0700, Patrick Shirkey wrote: > > Personally I find it comforting to occasionally hear from an American > > who is mortified at the way their country is run. That the person in > > question is a senior Linux Audio developer lends weight to the point > > being relevant to Linux Audio Users. > > as said developer, i apologize for introducing the issue. it really has > nothing to do with LAD or LAU, and i should have kept my mouth shut. > note also that despite living in the US by choice for 18+ years, at this > point, i don't think of myself of as american. Please don't apologise! mmmfty mmmf years ago at tech. college we had one regular session on social sciences. It was believed that engineers would become too blinkered and narrow-minded if they only ever discussed technical matters. I have never forgotten that, and happily apply a similar policy to usenet, lists etc. -- Will J G From mista.tapas at gmx.net Sat Oct 28 12:30:44 2006 From: mista.tapas at gmx.net (Florian Schmidt) Date: Sat Oct 28 12:30:24 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [music[?]]: boggle_oggle Message-ID: <200610281830.44601.mista.tapas@gmx.net> Hi, one does weird stuff when taking breaks from hacking sessions late at night. Don't think of this as a tune. Rather as a texture. SuperCollider and some jack-rack only.. Maybe someone enjoys it in some wicked sort of way :) http://affenbande.org/~tapas/boggle_oggle.ogg Flo -- Palimm Palimm! http://tapas.affenbande.org From gkjoyce at gmail.com Sat Oct 28 12:32:06 2006 From: gkjoyce at gmail.com (greg) Date: Sat Oct 28 12:32:28 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] E17 - our choice of WM in the future? In-Reply-To: <70a871c80610261001l618d9713kfd0a0bf93262537f@mail.gmail.com> References: <20061025104229.10208.qmail@web52212.mail.yahoo.com> <1161779532.5475.12.camel@localhost> <20061026035537.GB17238@mccormick.cx> <20061026053219.GB1411@replic.net> <4540E85A.6070903@freenet.de> <70a871c80610261001l618d9713kfd0a0bf93262537f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1162053126.5591.12.camel@localhost> yes. I spent last night playing around with wmii-3 as per somebody mentioning suckless.org on this list. Amazing piece of software. I do like having some sort of clickable "go away" in the corner, but still, awesome. For all I know I just haven't figured out how to implement that. But yeah, I tried several other WMs last week (xcfe, opennbox, evilwm, maybe fluxbox too) and that came out on top. It is a thing of beauty and purity. Of course, i'm writing this in Gnome... But wmii seems actually worth customizing to your liking, way beyond the "theming" dead end. Sorry for the ramble, wmii is seriously like, something I had been dreaming about. Jesus. Friday night, drinking beer with my new favorite WM. Does that make me some sort of nerd? From lau at kudla.org Sat Oct 28 14:50:50 2006 From: lau at kudla.org (Rob) Date: Sat Oct 28 14:54:04 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] E17 - our choice of WM in the future? In-Reply-To: <1162053126.5591.12.camel@localhost> References: <20061025104229.10208.qmail@web52212.mail.yahoo.com> <70a871c80610261001l618d9713kfd0a0bf93262537f@mail.gmail.com> <1162053126.5591.12.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <200610281450.51042.lau@kudla.org> On Saturday 28 October 2006 12:32, greg wrote: > Sorry for the ramble, wmii is > seriously like, something I had been dreaming about. Wow, that is seriously the WM equivalent of gentoo. Rob From perodog at gmx.net Sat Oct 28 15:20:38 2006 From: perodog at gmx.net (Dragan Noveski) Date: Sat Oct 28 15:20:44 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Just a comment In-Reply-To: <20061027205152.33d81750@localhost> References: <20061027205152.33d81750@localhost> Message-ID: <4543AD86.3050304@gmx.net> Folderol wrote: > Can I ask that people make sure they fill in the tags for music they > put up. It makes it a LOT easier for us absent-minded gezzers to keep > track of who did what! > > I use 'EasyTag' It's on sourceforge and can tag all the usual file > formats. > > it looks good, but it "dont knows" .wav/.aiff? From folderol at ukfsn.org Sat Oct 28 15:28:26 2006 From: folderol at ukfsn.org (Folderol) Date: Sat Oct 28 15:26:38 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Just a comment In-Reply-To: <4543AD86.3050304@gmx.net> References: <20061027205152.33d81750@localhost> <4543AD86.3050304@gmx.net> Message-ID: <20061028202826.74c74e98@localhost> On Sat, 28 Oct 2006 21:20:38 +0200 Dragan Noveski wrote: > Folderol wrote: > > Can I ask that people make sure they fill in the tags for music they > > put up. It makes it a LOT easier for us absent-minded gezzers to keep > > track of who did what! > > > > I use 'EasyTag' It's on sourceforge and can tag all the usual file > > formats. > > > > > it looks good, but it "dont knows" .wav/.aiff? Hmmm. I didn't know those formats could be tagged :( -- Will J G From perodog at gmx.net Sat Oct 28 15:32:07 2006 From: perodog at gmx.net (Dragan Noveski) Date: Sat Oct 28 15:32:08 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Just a comment In-Reply-To: <20061028202826.74c74e98@localhost> References: <20061027205152.33d81750@localhost> <4543AD86.3050304@gmx.net> <20061028202826.74c74e98@localhost> Message-ID: <4543B037.60909@gmx.net> Folderol wrote: > On Sat, 28 Oct 2006 21:20:38 +0200 > Dragan Noveski wrote: > > >> Folderol wrote: >> >>> Can I ask that people make sure they fill in the tags for music they >>> put up. It makes it a LOT easier for us absent-minded gezzers to keep >>> track of who did what! >>> >>> I use 'EasyTag' It's on sourceforge and can tag all the usual file >>> formats. >>> >>> >>> >> it looks good, but it "dont knows" .wav/.aiff? >> > > Hmmm. I didn't know those formats could be tagged :( > > than i might be wrong. but there are some commercial cd-audio, where the cd player will read the titles... i dont get it done with ardour/gcdmaster/cdrdao. cheers, doc From cucullin at wtfisthat.net Sat Oct 28 16:08:12 2006 From: cucullin at wtfisthat.net (Joseph M. Gaffney) Date: Sat Oct 28 16:07:09 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Just a comment In-Reply-To: <4543B037.60909@gmx.net> References: <20061027205152.33d81750@localhost> <20061028202826.74c74e98@localhost> <4543B037.60909@gmx.net> Message-ID: <200610281608.12966.cucullin@wtfisthat.net> On Saturday 28 October 2006 15:32, Dragan Noveski wrote: > Folderol wrote: > > On Sat, 28 Oct 2006 21:20:38 +0200 > > > > Dragan Noveski wrote: > >> Folderol wrote: > >>> Can I ask that people make sure they fill in the tags for music they > >>> put up. It makes it a LOT easier for us absent-minded gezzers to keep > >>> track of who did what! > >>> > >>> I use 'EasyTag' It's on sourceforge and can tag all the usual file > >>> formats. > >> > >> it looks good, but it "dont knows" .wav/.aiff? > > > > Hmmm. I didn't know those formats could be tagged :( > > than i might be wrong. > but there are some commercial cd-audio, where the cd player will read > the titles... > i dont get it done with ardour/gcdmaster/cdrdao. > > cheers, > doc Thats not the wav/aiff, thats set when you burn the CD. Its called CD Text, based on the Red Book specifications standard. -Joseph M. Gaffney aka CuCullin From perodog at gmx.net Sat Oct 28 16:20:41 2006 From: perodog at gmx.net (Dragan Noveski) Date: Sat Oct 28 16:24:37 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Just a comment In-Reply-To: <200610281608.12966.cucullin@wtfisthat.net> References: <20061027205152.33d81750@localhost> <20061028202826.74c74e98@localhost> <4543B037.60909@gmx.net> <200610281608.12966.cucullin@wtfisthat.net> Message-ID: <4543BB99.1080304@gmx.net> Joseph M. Gaffney wrote: > On Saturday 28 October 2006 15:32, Dragan Noveski wrote: > >> Folderol wrote: >> >>> On Sat, 28 Oct 2006 21:20:38 +0200 >>> >>> Dragan Noveski wrote: >>> >>>> Folderol wrote: >>>> >>>>> Can I ask that people make sure they fill in the tags for music they >>>>> put up. It makes it a LOT easier for us absent-minded gezzers to keep >>>>> track of who did what! >>>>> >>>>> I use 'EasyTag' It's on sourceforge and can tag all the usual file >>>>> formats. >>>>> >>>> it looks good, but it "dont knows" .wav/.aiff? >>>> >>> Hmmm. I didn't know those formats could be tagged :( >>> >> than i might be wrong. >> but there are some commercial cd-audio, where the cd player will read >> the titles... >> i dont get it done with ardour/gcdmaster/cdrdao. >> >> cheers, >> doc >> > > Thats not the wav/aiff, thats set when you burn the CD. Its called CD Text, > based on the Red Book specifications standard. > > -Joseph M. Gaffney aka CuCullin > > > you are right, but if i use ardour or gcdmaster, i can feel all that stuff in (like performer, composer, title), but when i burn that (with cdrdao or gcdmaster) i get the titles like "cd-audio-track01"... are you able to export this with ardour so that alsaplayer will read it? cheers, doc From t_w_ at freenet.de Sat Oct 28 16:29:00 2006 From: t_w_ at freenet.de (Thorsten Wilms) Date: Sat Oct 28 16:29:56 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Just a comment In-Reply-To: <4543B037.60909@gmx.net> References: <20061027205152.33d81750@localhost> <4543AD86.3050304@gmx.net> <20061028202826.74c74e98@localhost> <4543B037.60909@gmx.net> Message-ID: <20061028202900.GA5433@charly.SWORD> On Sat, Oct 28, 2006 at 09:32:07PM +0200, Dragan Noveski wrote: > >>> > >>>I use 'EasyTag' It's on sourceforge and can tag all the usual file > >>>formats. > >>it looks good, but it "dont knows" .wav/.aiff? > >> > > > >Hmmm. I didn't know those formats could be tagged :( > > > > > than i might be wrong. > but there are some commercial cd-audio, where the cd player will read > the titles... > i dont get it done with ardour/gcdmaster/cdrdao. Never heared of id3 or similar tagging in combination with wav/aiff. I think both have an (optional) comment section, no standard on what can or should go there. I guess the cd-audio thing is cd-text, no clue how it's structured. -- Thorsten Wilms From paniq at paniq.org Sat Oct 28 18:41:52 2006 From: paniq at paniq.org (Leonard "paniq" Ritter) Date: Sat Oct 28 18:42:09 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [ANN] Aldrin 0.3 (Carrion Beetle) Message-ID: <1162075312.6099.14.camel@localhost> Aldrin is an extensible open source modular sequencer/tracker, designed to be 1:1 compatible to Jeskola Buzz, currently in development stage. It is primarily being developed for the Linux operating system, but also builds and runs on Windows. If you want to help with testing or building packages, or if you just want to hang around, visit #aldrin on irc.freenode.net http://www.leonard-ritter.com/announcement_aldrin_0_3_carrion_beetle -- Leonard Ritter -- Freelance Art & Logic -- http://www.leonard-ritter.com From groups at xscd.com Sat Oct 28 23:12:56 2006 From: groups at xscd.com (Steve D) Date: Sat Oct 28 23:13:06 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] More music at the Archive In-Reply-To: <453F6BC3.9000504@woh.rr.com> References: <453F6BC3.9000504@woh.rr.com> Message-ID: <20061029031256.GC5021@xscd.com> On Wed, Oct 25, 2006 at 09:50:59AM -0400, Dave Phillips wrote: > http://www.archive.org/details/SonatinaForAnImaginaryGuitarist > More Gebrauchsmusik for early-21st-century swingers. > dp Really, really nice. :-) Very creative voicings in the chords, wonderful quirky rhythm in the first movement. Bravo. :-) -Steve -- ---------------------------------------------------------------- When the government fears the people, that is liberty; when the people fear the government, that is tyranny. ---------------------------------------------------------------- From chris at mccormick.cx Sun Oct 29 00:51:10 2006 From: chris at mccormick.cx (Chris McCormick) Date: Sun Oct 29 01:02:28 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Boggle oggle drum track Message-ID: <20061029045110.GA22770@mccormick.cx> Hello, I have deleted the original email, but whoever posted that wicked boggle oggle track, I'd like to ask you more about the drums and how you made them. Please let me know! I would like to make some drum sounds like that myself. Cheers, Chris. ------------------- chris@mccormick.cx http://mccormick.cx From pshirkey at boosthardware.com Sun Oct 29 04:35:57 2006 From: pshirkey at boosthardware.com (Patrick Shirkey) Date: Sun Oct 29 04:36:38 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] flash 9 beta In-Reply-To: <1162051037.2309.244.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <20061019154505.GB7333@slinkp.com> <1161275544.15860.201.camel@mindpipe> <4537D9E7.1000702@gmail.com> <1161289834.17041.172.camel@localhost.localdomain> <454253F7.3030100@boosthardware.com> <454255C9.5010109@expressmart.com> <20061028012631.GA5268@replic.net> <4542DF40.2050009@boosthardware.com> <1162051037.2309.244.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <454475FD.9020402@boosthardware.com> Paul Davis wrote: > On Sat, 2006-10-28 at 11:40 +0700, Patrick Shirkey wrote: >> Personally I find it comforting to occasionally hear from an American >> who is mortified at the way their country is run. That the person in >> question is a senior Linux Audio developer lends weight to the point >> being relevant to Linux Audio Users. > > as said developer, i apologize for introducing the issue. it really has > nothing to do with LAD or LAU, and i should have kept my mouth shut. > note also that despite living in the US by choice for 18+ years, at this > point, i don't think of myself of as american. > Ha ha. Until you have citizenship you're not anyway, but if you have citizenship but you don't consider yourself American then you are going against your pledge of Allegiance. Quick somebody get a gun and shoot him, he must be a terrorist :-P -- Patrick Shirkey - Boost Hardware Ltd. Http://www.boosthardware.com Http://lau.linuxaudio.org - The Linux Audio Users guide ======================================== "Anything your mind can see you can manifest physically, then it will become reality" - Macka B From b0ef at esben-stien.name Sun Oct 29 06:47:27 2006 From: b0ef at esben-stien.name (Esben Stien) Date: Sun Oct 29 05:01:43 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Just a comment In-Reply-To: <20061027205152.33d81750@localhost> (folderol@ukfsn.org's message of "Fri, 27 Oct 2006 20:51:52 +0100") References: <20061027205152.33d81750@localhost> Message-ID: <87y7qzny28.fsf@esben-stien.name> Folderol writes: > I use 'EasyTag' How about putting whatever format you use into a matroska container and using its extensive tagging system;). -- Esben Stien is b0ef@e s a http://www. s t n m irc://irc. b - i . e/%23contact sip:b0ef@ e e jid:b0ef@ n n From mista.tapas at gmx.net Sun Oct 29 07:21:18 2006 From: mista.tapas at gmx.net (Florian Schmidt) Date: Sun Oct 29 07:21:03 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Boggle oggle drum track In-Reply-To: <20061029045110.GA22770@mccormick.cx> References: <20061029045110.GA22770@mccormick.cx> Message-ID: <200610291321.18225.mista.tapas@gmx.net> On Sunday 29 October 2006 05:51, Chris McCormick wrote: > Hello, > > I have deleted the original email, but whoever posted that wicked boggle > oggle track, I'd like to ask you more about the drums and how you made > them. Please let me know! I would like to make some drum sounds like > that myself. Here you go (this is jst so ever slightly modified from the file that generated boggle_oggle. You can hear it here http://affenbande.org/~tapas/boggle_toggle.ogg // ---------------- cut here ------------------------------- // ===================================================================== // SuperCollider Workspace // ===================================================================== s.boot s.quit ( SynthDef (\foo3, { var out1, out2; out1 = SinOsc.ar (freq: XLine.ar (Rand(30, 130), Rand(30, 150), Rand(0.01, 0.2)), mul: XLine.ar (Rand(0.1, 0.5), 0.0001, Rand(0.01, 10), doneAction: 2)); out2 = SinOsc.ar (freq: XLine.ar (Rand(30, 130), Rand(30, 150), Rand(0.01, 0.2)), mul: XLine.ar (Rand(0.1, 0.5), 0.0001, Rand(0.01, 10), doneAction: 2)); Out.ar (0, [out1,out2]); } ).send(s) ) ( SynthDef (\foo1, { var out1, out2; out1 = RLPF.ar(in: Saw.ar (freq: Rand(28,300), mul: XLine.ar(Rand(0.01, 0.3), 0.001, Rand(0.1, 7.0), doneAction: 2)), freq: Rand(100, 3000), rq:Rand(0.1, 0.9)); out2 = RLPF.ar(in: Saw.ar (freq: Rand(28,300), mul: XLine.ar(Rand(0.01, 0.3), 0.001, Rand(0.1, 7.0), doneAction: 2)), freq: Rand(100, 3000), rq:Rand(0.1, 0.9)); Out.ar(0,[out1, out2]); } ).send(s) ) ( SynthDef (\foo2, { var out1, out2; out1 = SinOsc.ar (freq: XLine.ar(Rand(28,10000), Rand(28,10000), Rand(0.01,0.1)), mul: XLine.ar(Rand(0.01, 0.1), 0.001, Rand(0.1, 7.0), doneAction: 2)); out2 = SinOsc.ar (freq: XLine.ar(Rand(28,10000), Rand(28,10000), Rand(0.01,0.1)), mul: XLine.ar(Rand(0.01, 0.1), 0.001, Rand(0.1, 7.0), doneAction: 2)); Out.ar(0,[out1, out2]); } ).send(s) ) ( SynthDef (\foo4, { var out1, out2; out1 = SinOsc.ar (freq: XLine.ar(Rand(128,700), Rand(28,10000), Rand(0.01,0.1)), mul: XLine.ar(Rand(0.01, 0.1), 0.001, Rand(0.1, 7.0), doneAction: 2)); out2 = SinOsc.ar (freq: XLine.ar(Rand(128,700), Rand(28,10000), Rand(0.01,0.1)), mul: XLine.ar(Rand(0.01, 0.1), 0.001, Rand(0.1, 7.0), doneAction: 2)); Out.ar(0,[out1, out2]); } ).send(s) ) ( SynthDef (\hh, { var out; out = WhiteNoise.ar (mul: XLine.ar (Rand(0.1, 0.2), 0.0001, Rand(0.03, 1), doneAction: 2)); Out.ar (0, [out, out]); } ).send(s) ) ( SynthDef (\bd, { var out; out = SinOsc.ar(freq: XLine.ar(100,40,0.1), phase: 1.55, mul: XLine.ar(Rand(0.5,0.3), 0.01, Rand(0.1,1), doneAction: 2)); Out.ar(0,[out, out]); } ).send(s) ) ( s.freeAll; t = TempoClock.new; t.tempo = 7.9; t.schedAbs (t.beats.ceil, { arg beat, sec; // beat.postln; if (beat % 8 == 0, { Synth.new (\bd); if (1.0.rand > 0.5, { Synth.new(\foo3); }); }); if (beat % 4 == 0, { if (1.0.rand > 0.8, { Synth.new(\foo1); }); }); if (beat % 4 == 0, { if (1.0.rand > 0.7, { Synth.new(\bd); }); }); if ((beat % 1 == 0) && (beat % 4 != 0), { if (1.0.rand > 0.9, { Synth.new(\bd); }); }); if (1.0.rand > 0.8, { Synth.new(\foo2); }); if (1.0.rand > 0.7, { Synth.new(\foo4); }); if (1.0.rand > 0.2, { Synth.new(\hh); }); 1 }); ) // ---------------- cut here ------------------------------- Plus you need the jack-rack file from the attachment. Route output 1 and 2 of SC through jack-rack, and do not connect SC directly to alsa_pcm:out... Don't forget to enable all three plugins :) Flo -- Palimm Palimm! http://tapas.affenbande.org -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: foo.rack Type: application/x-gzip Size: 481 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://music.columbia.edu/pipermail/linux-audio-user/attachments/20061029/c686b1be/foo.bin From groups at xscd.com Sun Oct 29 14:45:26 2006 From: groups at xscd.com (Stephen Doonan) Date: Sun Oct 29 14:45:39 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [Music] Will he never stop ?! In-Reply-To: <4542320B.3050803@woh.rr.com> References: <4542320B.3050803@woh.rr.com> Message-ID: <20061029194526.GA8543@xscd.com> On Fri, Oct 27, 2006 at 12:21:31PM -0400, Dave Phillips wrote: http://www.archive.org/details/SonatinaForAnImaginaryGuitarist http://www.archive.org/details/Trio05ForFluteGuitarAndHarp http://www.archive.org/details/TrioForFluteGuitarAndBassoon http://www.archive.org/details/Trio01ForFluteGuitarAndHarp You certainly *are* on a roll, Dave. :-) They all sound great. -Steve ---------------------------------------------------------------- Forget and forgive. This is not difficult when properly understood. It means forget inconvenient duties, then forgive yourself for forgetting. By rigid practice and stern determination, it comes easy. -Mark Twain ---------------------------------------------------------------- From perodog at gmx.net Sun Oct 29 16:48:33 2006 From: perodog at gmx.net (Dragan Noveski) Date: Sun Oct 29 15:48:25 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Just a comment In-Reply-To: <20061028202900.GA5433@charly.SWORD> References: <20061027205152.33d81750@localhost> <4543AD86.3050304@gmx.net> <20061028202826.74c74e98@localhost> <4543B037.60909@gmx.net> <20061028202900.GA5433@charly.SWORD> Message-ID: <454521B1.2000506@gmx.net> Thorsten Wilms wrote: > On Sat, Oct 28, 2006 at 09:32:07PM +0200, Dragan Noveski wrote: > >>>>> I use 'EasyTag' It's on sourceforge and can tag all the usual file >>>>> formats. >>>>> > > >>>> it looks good, but it "dont knows" .wav/.aiff? >>>> >>>> >>> Hmmm. I didn't know those formats could be tagged :( >>> >>> >>> >> than i might be wrong. >> but there are some commercial cd-audio, where the cd player will read >> the titles... >> i dont get it done with ardour/gcdmaster/cdrdao. >> > > > Never heared of id3 or similar tagging in combination with wav/aiff. > I think both have an (optional) comment section, no standard on > what can or should go there. > > I guess the cd-audio thing is cd-text, no clue how it's structured. > > > -- > Thorsten Wilms > > > yeah, that might be true, but i was not so sure what i am telling, so i just came home and i searched in my "cd-othek" and i found pretty fast. original cd, bought in the 90? produced by ECM: "Charlie Mariano & The Karnatka College Of Percussion". and exactly that one shows all the tracks per name/interpreter in the alsaplayer, but not in the xmms nor in my car audio cdplayer. so my actually question is, where all the entries that i made in ardour export goes (track name, interpreter,...) as i cannot see them after burning in any peace of software? cheers, doc From dlphillips at woh.rr.com Sun Oct 29 17:25:09 2006 From: dlphillips at woh.rr.com (Dave Phillips) Date: Sun Oct 29 15:57:33 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [Music] Will he never stop ?! In-Reply-To: <20061029194526.GA8543@xscd.com> References: <4542320B.3050803@woh.rr.com> <20061029194526.GA8543@xscd.com> Message-ID: <45452A45.5060808@woh.rr.com> Stephen Doonan wrote: >On Fri, Oct 27, 2006 at 12:21:31PM -0400, Dave Phillips wrote: >http://www.archive.org/details/SonatinaForAnImaginaryGuitarist >http://www.archive.org/details/Trio05ForFluteGuitarAndHarp >http://www.archive.org/details/TrioForFluteGuitarAndBassoon >http://www.archive.org/details/Trio01ForFluteGuitarAndHarp > > >You certainly *are* on a roll, Dave. :-) They all sound great. > Thank you, Steve, I'm glad you've enjoyed them. As you might infer, I have three more trios (flute+harp+guitar) waiting in the wings, but I thought I should give everyone a breather. I'll upload the remaining trios this week. Best, dp From b0ef at esben-stien.name Sun Oct 29 19:44:11 2006 From: b0ef at esben-stien.name (Esben Stien) Date: Sun Oct 29 17:58:25 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] VOIP and JACK Message-ID: <87y7qymy3o.fsf@esben-stien.name> Just reporting on status of hooking up VOIP to JACK. I'm sure there are many wondering. I found twinkle softphone to work very well with oss2jack. (I'm on linux-2.6.18-rt1). Twinkle unfortunately does not separate the UI from the core, but it's the only piece of software I've found that works. I hope we can get the LAD VOIP channel up and running again. -- Esben Stien is b0ef@e s a http://www. s t n m irc://irc. b - i . e/%23contact sip:b0ef@ e e jid:b0ef@ n n From _ at whats-your.name Sun Oct 29 18:04:40 2006 From: _ at whats-your.name (carmen) Date: Sun Oct 29 18:04:54 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] VOIP and JACK In-Reply-To: <87y7qymy3o.fsf@esben-stien.name> References: <87y7qymy3o.fsf@esben-stien.name> Message-ID: <20061029230440.GA11825@replic.net> > Just reporting on status of hooking up VOIP to JACK. I'm sure there > are many wondering. > > I found twinkle softphone to work very well with oss2jack. (I'm on > linux-2.6.18-rt1). Twinkle unfortunately does not separate the UI from > the core, but it's the only piece of software I've found that works. does that require OSS emulation? sounds like a lot of work. is there a good wiki entry on using oss2jack? twinkle doesnt work with plug:jack (i thas a similar problem to sweep, where it thinks 0 devices exist) ekiga works fine with plug:jack. in fact it works better than pure hw: or plughw: where i get intractible stuttering and no options to adust the buffer size etc and yeah. a native JACK VOIP client with no GUI, woudl be nice.. something that just autoconnects or soething, maybe a small ncurses daemon, ive heard you can use asterisk as a softphone, but afaik it has no jack support.. ekiga isnt perfect, i get nothing but silence when calling my own asterisk. but can make calls via other asterisks running at commercial VOIP providers no problem, and ive enabled all the codecs. .. a few versions ago it didnt have the problem, but back then it didnt work right with jack plug. and it still likes to get into tripped out feedback loops sometimes when initiating a call. and afaik you cant run asterisk and ekiga on the same host without manualy overring the port 5060 in their configs since otherwise they both contend for it.. iow, VOIP on linux? totall sucks . as a user.. as a server, im sure it kicks ass thanks to asterisk ... From dominic.sacre at gmx.de Sun Oct 29 18:19:33 2006 From: dominic.sacre at gmx.de (Dominic =?iso-8859-1?q?Sacr=E9?=) Date: Sun Oct 29 18:21:21 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] VOIP and JACK In-Reply-To: <87y7qymy3o.fsf@esben-stien.name> References: <87y7qymy3o.fsf@esben-stien.name> Message-ID: <200610300019.33835.dominic.sacre@gmx.de> On Monday, 30. October 2006 01:44, Esben Stien wrote: > I found twinkle softphone to work very well with oss2jack. (I'm on > linux-2.6.18-rt1). Twinkle unfortunately does not separate the UI from > the core, but it's the only piece of software I've found that works. How did you get oss2jack to work on kernel 2.6.18? I tried, but oss2jack depends on fusd-kor, which seems to require devfs. And devfs no longer exists in 2.6.18... Are there updated versions of oss2jack or fusd available somewhere? Dominic From jri at broadpark.no Sun Oct 29 18:38:27 2006 From: jri at broadpark.no (Johannes Mario Ringheim) Date: Sun Oct 29 18:38:36 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Music: ComboCandombe - QuedaTe(Remix) Message-ID: <45453B73.505@broadpark.no> I've got the honor of remixing a tune for the local latino group Combo Candombe: http://ringheimsauto.org/index.php/queda-te-ringheims-auto-remiks/ All produced in Ardour on GNU/Linux! However the original takes are recorded using some windows app, dunno wich. The original version of the tune can be found here: http://combocandombe.com/spelar.html (Click "Last ned" for mp3 of respective tune) These are mixed with Adobe Audition, and yes, I am trying to make him switch ;) Comments are as always appreciated! -- Ringheims Auto - Fri musikk for bilstereo! http://ringheimsauto.org From salvuz_78 at virgilio.it Sun Oct 29 17:16:47 2006 From: salvuz_78 at virgilio.it (Salvatore Di Pietro) Date: Sun Oct 29 19:10:03 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] VOIP and JACK In-Reply-To: <200610300019.33835.dominic.sacre@gmx.de> References: <87y7qymy3o.fsf@esben-stien.name> <200610300019.33835.dominic.sacre@gmx.de> Message-ID: <4545284F.2010604@virgilio.it> Dominic Sacr? wrote: [cut] > How did you get oss2jack to work on kernel 2.6.18? I tried, but oss2jack > depends on fusd-kor, which seems to require devfs. And devfs no longer > exists in 2.6.18... Are there updated versions of oss2jack or fusd > available somewhere? I posted a simple patch some of weeks ago for fusd-kor-1.10-11 that disabled devfs and debug to make it build under 2.6.18: http://www.spinics.net/lists/linux-audio-users/msg38324.html ...in which I forgot to attach the patch, as Lee Revell noted... :) The patch is in this one: http://www.spinics.net/lists/linux-audio-users/msg38326.html Hope this helps, ciao! -- salvuz POST FATA RESVRGO Linux registered user #291700 | machine #174619 get counted on ---> http://counter.li.org/ <--- From chris at mccormick.cx Sun Oct 29 19:54:25 2006 From: chris at mccormick.cx (Chris McCormick) Date: Sun Oct 29 20:06:09 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Boggle oggle drum track In-Reply-To: <200610291321.18225.mista.tapas@gmx.net> References: <20061029045110.GA22770@mccormick.cx> <200610291321.18225.mista.tapas@gmx.net> Message-ID: <20061030005425.GD457@mccormick.cx> Hey Florian, Thanks so much for sharing this code. I am tempted to add Debian's unstable repository and install supercollider, now. :) I really like the sound of this track, especially the hh and bd components, and I am keen to re-implement it in my environment of choice (Pd) so that I can use it live with my electronic music duo (if that's ok with you). I was wondering if you could talk me through some specific bits of the code, or see if I have got them right below? On Sun, Oct 29, 2006 at 01:21:18PM +0100, Florian Schmidt wrote: > ( > SynthDef (\hh, > { > var out; > out = WhiteNoise.ar (mul: XLine.ar (Rand(0.1, 0.2), 0.0001, Rand(0.03, 1), > doneAction: 2)); > Out.ar (0, [out, out]); > } > ).send(s) > ) So this guy creates white noise and then randomly ramps the volume of it downwards making longer and shorter sounds each time? It seems like the initial ramp height is set randomly, and so is the decay time? > ( > SynthDef (\bd, > { > var out; > out = SinOsc.ar(freq: XLine.ar(100,40,0.1), phase: 1.55, mul: > XLine.ar(Rand(0.5,0.3), 0.01, Rand(0.1,1), doneAction: 2)); > Out.ar(0,[out, out]); > } > ).send(s) > ) I am guessing this is a sine wave oscillator multiplied by a line (ramp) which has random parameters? The initial volume and decay length is set randomly? What is the significance of the phase 1.55? Is this just starting the oscillator at a 'high' point in the wave form? That is a cool trick. > ( > s.freeAll; > t = TempoClock.new; > t.tempo = 7.9; > t.schedAbs (t.beats.ceil, > { > arg beat, sec; > // beat.postln; > if (beat % 8 == 0, > { > Synth.new (\bd); > }); Every eighth tick, play the bass drum. > if (beat % 4 == 0, > { > if (1.0.rand > 0.7, > { > Synth.new(\bd); > }); > }); Every four ticks, if the random value is above 0.7 play the bass drum. > if ((beat % 1 == 0) && (beat % 4 != 0), > { > if (1.0.rand > 0.9, > { > Synth.new(\bd); > }); > }); Every beat that isn't the fourth beat, play the bass drum if the random value is above 0.9. (so very rarely) > if (1.0.rand > 0.2, > { > Synth.new(\hh); > }); Every beat, if the random value is above 0.2 play a hi hat. Is that about it? Best, Chris. ------------------- chris@mccormick.cx http://mccormick.cx From chazkiser at alltel.net Sun Oct 29 22:23:18 2006 From: chazkiser at alltel.net (chaz kiser) Date: Sun Oct 29 22:23:26 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Vocals In-Reply-To: <70a871c80608030652j2263b6a9k90d908009db9aaa7@mail.gmail.com> References: <200608031033.21855.mlist@hk-vision.de> <44D1D90E.101@herhoffer.net> <70a871c80608030652j2263b6a9k90d908009db9aaa7@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <45457026.6060208@alltel.net> Any suggestions what plugins or effects in Audacity I could utilize to make my vocals sound better, or more importantly, like someone else? chaz > From lanas at securenet.net Sun Oct 29 22:31:21 2006 From: lanas at securenet.net (lanas) Date: Sun Oct 29 22:29:55 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Zyn's Sequence2 in sync with... ? Message-ID: <20061029223121.46a162c3@mistral.stie> Hi folks, Is it possible to use the 'tick' that makes for instance Zyn's Sequence 2 sound and use somehow it to feed Hydrogen's beat so that Hydrogen would be in sync with the pulse generated by Zyn ? Or, is is possible to feed Hydrogen's 'tick' to Zyn so that the synth pulse is syncronized with Hydrogen ? 'Sequence 2' is that kind of sound that pulses with some filter effect. Au audio app could perhaps take the peaks of that sound in real-time and convert them to a digital sync signal ? Cheers, Al From loki.davison at gmail.com Sun Oct 29 22:52:45 2006 From: loki.davison at gmail.com (Loki Davison) Date: Sun Oct 29 22:52:54 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Digital DJ control In-Reply-To: <1161956168.5902.10.camel@localhost> References: <200610271212.47656.noven@sincorp.org> <1161956168.5902.10.camel@localhost> Message-ID: On 10/28/06, greg wrote: > I haven't done any of this myself, but here are the best strategies I've > read about. > > 1. get a sound card with enough outs to run your pc into a regular dj > mixer and mix like a regular dj. You would still need some sort of > control surface for transport / effects twiddling. > > 2. if you want to do scratchy stuff, there's the Ms. Pinky vinyl, and I > think the Stanton Final Scratch works on the same principle. I don't > know, but they might both be vinyl with SMPTE timecode on them. > This is the deal. Go for this. All you need for the cue/pitch is 2 midi sliders with enough range and 2 trigger buttons. The evolution gear is nice for this, and you have a keyboard as well! ;) I'd probably go for something like the trigger finger and a decent mixer Ecler, rodec, A&H etc. Loki From lau at kudla.org Sun Oct 29 23:18:43 2006 From: lau at kudla.org (Rob) Date: Sun Oct 29 23:19:00 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Vocals In-Reply-To: <45457026.6060208@alltel.net> References: <200608031033.21855.mlist@hk-vision.de> <70a871c80608030652j2263b6a9k90d908009db9aaa7@mail.gmail.com> <45457026.6060208@alltel.net> Message-ID: <200610292318.43878.lau@kudla.org> On Sunday 29 October 2006 22:23, chaz kiser wrote: > Any suggestions what plugins or effects in Audacity I could > utilize to make my vocals sound better, or more importantly, > like someone else? I'm no recording engineer, but I've worked with one in the last few years and I think I have a little bit of understanding of what sounds good and what doesn't now. First of all, I assume you're not trying to record your vocals on a $5 microphone that came with your computer and that you're recording somewhere that doesn't have awful acoustics. I've recorded in a closet, in a car, under a blanket and a number of other ways due to being unable to just put up acoustic foam in the apartments I've lived in. I also learned that all the cliches about "sing from the diaphragm", "don't swallow the mic", etc. are pretty much true, at least if you're trying to record something that sounds like popular music. After you're done recording, conventional approaches to fixing vocals include compression and EQ, various "aural exciters", which range from expensive snake oil to useful, and nowadays pitch correction (like Antares Autotune) especially. I don't think there's a way to automatically correct sharp or flat vocals in Audacity though (yet.) I used something a lot cheaper than Autotune back in my Windows days, but can't remember what it was called and I don't know whether there are any Autotune clones that would work under Linux. But you should be able to fix especially out-of-tune notes by either punching in from another recording (which I usually do) or selecting just that note and manually shifting the pitch through one of Audacity's time/pitch plugins. A common mistake (or artistic decision I would disagree with) that I hear in people's stuff that they post to the net is leaving the vocals too dry when the whole rest of the track has a ton of effects. Doubling the vocal track (recording it a second time in unison) or using chorus or delay, and then applying a reverb sound that's appropriate to the rest of the track, will usually help. Use your discretion.... if it's a really electronic sounding track, you can take a lot more liberties (flange, gate, phaser, vocoder...) than if you're recording a "folk singer/songwriter" kind of track, but I think there aren't a lot of situations where you want to leave the vocal track totally dry. Finally, people who aren't confident in their own vocal ability and who mix their own music tend to mix themselves way too far back, even when the vocal or lyrics is what they want you to notice. I personally think it's better to have the vocal overcooked than inaudible. As far as making yourself sound like someone else.... you can try tricks like slowing down your track, recording your vocals and speeding it back up (or vice versa), you can try analyzing the spectrum of the person you want to imitate's vocals and EQ'ing yourself to sound like him or her, but in the end there's more to someone's voice than just the timbre. There are articles about how to record better sounding vocals in the musician magazines almost every month, and I'm sure there are hundreds of them around the net, but these are my opinions. Rob From noven at sincorp.org Mon Oct 30 00:01:17 2006 From: noven at sincorp.org (Novensiles divi Flamen) Date: Mon Oct 30 00:04:10 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Digital DJ control In-Reply-To: References: <200610271212.47656.noven@sincorp.org> <1161956168.5902.10.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <200610301201.22654.noven@sincorp.org> Okay, thanks for the tips guys. It would be easier to integrate my laptop into my mixer with the CDJ's - its what I currently do, albeit with a single input from the laptop and not as much control over the fun stuff. My plan is to try to knock the required gear down to as little as possible, with no CDJ's, so I can easily transport the setup. But not if it means trying to use 'toys' in public :) I'll check out the controllers mentioned and search for a multi-output laptop sound card. - Noven -- >-- Novensiles divi Flamen --< >---- Miles Militis Fons ----< -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://music.columbia.edu/pipermail/linux-audio-user/attachments/20061030/0791c77d/attachment.bin From chazkiser at alltel.net Mon Oct 30 00:04:33 2006 From: chazkiser at alltel.net (chaz kiser) Date: Mon Oct 30 00:05:00 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Vocals In-Reply-To: <200610292318.43878.lau@kudla.org> References: <200608031033.21855.mlist@hk-vision.de> <70a871c80608030652j2263b6a9k90d908009db9aaa7@mail.gmail.com> <45457026.6060208@alltel.net> <200610292318.43878.lau@kudla.org> Message-ID: <454587E1.8070004@alltel.net> Rob wrote: >On Sunday 29 October 2006 22:23, chaz kiser wrote: > > >>Any suggestions what plugins or effects in Audacity I could >>utilize to make my vocals sound better, or more importantly, >>like someone else? >> >> > >I'm no recording engineer, but I've worked with one in the last >few years and I think I have a little bit of understanding of >what sounds good and what doesn't now. > >First of all, I assume you're not trying to record your vocals on >a $5 microphone that came with your computer and that you're >recording somewhere that doesn't have awful acoustics. I've >recorded in a closet, in a car, under a blanket and a number of >other ways due to being unable to just put up acoustic foam in >the apartments I've lived in. I also learned that all the >cliches about "sing from the diaphragm", "don't swallow the >mic", etc. are pretty much true, at least if you're trying to >record something that sounds like popular music. > >After you're done recording, conventional approaches to fixing >vocals include compression and EQ, various "aural exciters", >which range from expensive snake oil to useful, and nowadays >pitch correction (like Antares Autotune) especially. I don't >think there's a way to automatically correct sharp or flat >vocals in Audacity though (yet.) > >I used something a lot cheaper than Autotune back in my Windows >days, but can't remember what it was called and I don't know >whether there are any Autotune clones that would work under >Linux. But you should be able to fix especially out-of-tune >notes by either punching in from another recording (which I >usually do) or selecting just that note and manually shifting >the pitch through one of Audacity's time/pitch plugins. > >A common mistake (or artistic decision I would disagree with) >that I hear in people's stuff that they post to the net is >leaving the vocals too dry when the whole rest of the track has >a ton of effects. Doubling the vocal track (recording it a >second time in unison) or using chorus or delay, and then >applying a reverb sound that's appropriate to the rest of the >track, will usually help. Use your discretion.... if it's a >really electronic sounding track, you can take a lot more >liberties (flange, gate, phaser, vocoder...) than if you're >recording a "folk singer/songwriter" kind of track, but I think >there aren't a lot of situations where you want to leave the >vocal track totally dry. > >Finally, people who aren't confident in their own vocal ability >and who mix their own music tend to mix themselves way too far >back, even when the vocal or lyrics is what they want you to >notice. I personally think it's better to have the vocal >overcooked than inaudible. > >As far as making yourself sound like someone else.... you can try >tricks like slowing down your track, recording your vocals and >speeding it back up (or vice versa), you can try analyzing the >spectrum of the person you want to imitate's vocals and EQ'ing >yourself to sound like him or her, but in the end there's more >to someone's voice than just the timbre. > >There are articles about how to record better sounding vocals in >the musician magazines almost every month, and I'm sure there >are hundreds of them around the net, but these are my opinions. > >Rob > > > As far as not sounding like myself, its kind of a strange situation. I'm a good singer. I'd rather sound like me. But its a political commercial I'm recording and I sound just like the candidate. Its kind of cheesy for a candidate to sing commercials how great he is. lol. chaz From lerni at gmx.ch Mon Oct 30 02:03:38 2006 From: lerni at gmx.ch (lerni@gmx.ch) Date: Mon Oct 30 02:03:19 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Just a comment In-Reply-To: <454521B1.2000506@gmx.net> References: <20061027205152.33d81750@localhost> <20061028202900.GA5433@charly.SWORD> <454521B1.2000506@gmx.net> Message-ID: <200610300803.38579.lerni@gmx.ch> Am Sonntag, 29. Oktober 2006 22:48 schrieb Dragan Noveski: > so my actually question is, where all the entries that i made in > ardour export goes (track name, interpreter,...) as i cannot see > them after burning ?in any peace of software? not directly from and into ardour but, whit ripit you should be able to rip cd-text. with k3b you can burn cd-text if your cd-recorder supports cd-text. I'm not shure about, but if you export to a format with tags like ogg/flac and then burn it with a cd-tool with cd-text support you probable do not have to type it in again. http://www.suwald.com/ripit/ripit.html grtz lukas From t_w_ at freenet.de Mon Oct 30 04:08:48 2006 From: t_w_ at freenet.de (Thorsten Wilms) Date: Mon Oct 30 04:09:18 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Music: ComboCandombe - QuedaTe(Remix) In-Reply-To: <45453B73.505@broadpark.no> References: <45453B73.505@broadpark.no> Message-ID: <20061030090848.GA5466@charly.SWORD> On Mon, Oct 30, 2006 at 12:38:27AM +0100, Johannes Mario Ringheim wrote: > I've got the honor of remixing a tune for the local latino group Combo > Candombe: > http://ringheimsauto.org/index.php/queda-te-ringheims-auto-remiks/ I dislike the snare-roll break early on, as it feels alien and overly long to me. The bass ... not sure it's that, but it seems to be over-compressed. Later on in the rap part, the melodic thing coming in also appears alien, but here I could see it being considered an interesting contrast. Otherwise I think the remix feels quite smooth and natural. -- Thorsten Wilms From julien at c-lab.de Mon Oct 30 04:35:01 2006 From: julien at c-lab.de (Julien Claassen) Date: Mon Oct 30 04:35:21 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Does anybody actually perform with ZynAddSubFX? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi! I ACTUALLY perform with it. Not on stage, but at home. I only play it life, sometimes I record it sometimes I don't. But it has never crashed on me for a VERY LONG TIME! I don't know if this has anything to do with me using only the noGUI version of it... Maybe. Kindest regards Julien -------- Music was my first love and it will be my last (John Miles) ======== FIND MY WEB-PROJECT AT: ======== http://ltsb.sourceforge.net the Linux TextBased Studio guide ======= AND MY PERSONAL PAGES AT: ======= http://www.juliencoder.de From mista.tapas at gmx.net Mon Oct 30 04:58:31 2006 From: mista.tapas at gmx.net (Florian Schmidt) Date: Mon Oct 30 04:58:05 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Music: ComboCandombe - QuedaTe(Remix) In-Reply-To: <20061030090848.GA5466@charly.SWORD> References: <45453B73.505@broadpark.no> <20061030090848.GA5466@charly.SWORD> Message-ID: <200610301058.31975.mista.tapas@gmx.net> On Monday 30 October 2006 10:08, Thorsten Wilms wrote: > On Mon, Oct 30, 2006 at 12:38:27AM +0100, Johannes Mario Ringheim wrote: > > I've got the honor of remixing a tune for the local latino group Combo > > Candombe: > > http://ringheimsauto.org/index.php/queda-te-ringheims-auto-remiks/ > > I dislike the snare-roll break early on, as it feels alien and > overly long to me. I have to disgree. It is nice Tension :) Something out of the ordinary and nicely executed. But we see it's a matter of opinion. :) > The bass ... not sure it's that, but it seems to be over-compressed. The whole recording sounds a bit "closed". I don't know a better word for it. As if the real deep bass and the sizzling highs are missing. On the other hand it is a very compact mix. Imho just a bit too compact. Compare its spectrum to other recordings with i.e. japa -J to maybe see what i mean. > Later on in the rap part, the melodic thing coming in also appears > alien, but here I could see it being considered an interesting > contrast. > > Otherwise I think the remix feels quite smooth and natural. Great song. Flo -- Palimm Palimm! http://tapas.affenbande.org From atte.jensen at gmail.com Mon Oct 30 05:29:44 2006 From: atte.jensen at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Atte_Andr=E9_Jensen?=) Date: Mon Oct 30 05:29:53 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Music: ComboCandombe - QuedaTe(Remix) In-Reply-To: <200610301058.31975.mista.tapas@gmx.net> References: <45453B73.505@broadpark.no> <20061030090848.GA5466@charly.SWORD> <200610301058.31975.mista.tapas@gmx.net> Message-ID: <4545D418.2000708@gmail.com> Florian Schmidt wrote: > Compare its spectrum to other recordings with i.e. japa -J to maybe see what i > mean. What's "japa"? I suspect it's a piece of audio software for spectrum analysis, but neither google nor apt-get knows of it. -- peace, love & harmony Atte http://www.atte.dk | quintet: http://www.anagrammer.dk | compositions: http://www.atte.dk/compositions From fons.adriaensen at skynet.be Mon Oct 30 05:36:30 2006 From: fons.adriaensen at skynet.be (Fons Adriaensen) Date: Mon Oct 30 05:35:04 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Music: ComboCandombe - QuedaTe(Remix) In-Reply-To: <4545D418.2000708@gmail.com> References: <45453B73.505@broadpark.no> <20061030090848.GA5466@charly.SWORD> <200610301058.31975.mista.tapas@gmx.net> <4545D418.2000708@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20061030103630.GB5974@linux-1.site> On Mon, Oct 30, 2006 at 11:29:44AM +0100, Atte Andr? Jensen wrote: > What's "japa"? I suspect it's a piece of audio software for spectrum > analysis, but neither google nor apt-get knows of it. See http://users.skynet.be/solaris/linuxaudio -- FA Lascia la spina, cogli la rosa. From lerni at gmx.ch Mon Oct 30 05:45:22 2006 From: lerni at gmx.ch (Lukas Erni) Date: Mon Oct 30 05:45:02 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Music: ComboCandombe - QuedaTe(Remix) In-Reply-To: <4545D418.2000708@gmail.com> References: <45453B73.505@broadpark.no> <200610301058.31975.mista.tapas@gmx.net> <4545D418.2000708@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200610301145.22427.lerni@gmx.ch> Am Montag, 30. Oktober 2006 11:29 schrieb Atte Andr? Jensen: > What's "japa"? I suspect it's a piece of audio software for > spectrum analysis, but neither google nor apt-get knows of it. http://users.skynet.be/solaris/linuxaudio/ grtz lukas From perodog at gmx.net Mon Oct 30 06:46:14 2006 From: perodog at gmx.net (Dragan Noveski) Date: Mon Oct 30 05:46:12 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Just a comment In-Reply-To: <200610300803.38579.lerni@gmx.ch> References: <20061027205152.33d81750@localhost> <20061028202900.GA5433@charly.SWORD> <454521B1.2000506@gmx.net> <200610300803.38579.lerni@gmx.ch> Message-ID: <4545E606.9070000@gmx.net> lerni@gmx.ch wrote: > Am Sonntag, 29. Oktober 2006 22:48 schrieb Dragan Noveski: > >> so my actually question is, where all the entries that i made in >> ardour export goes (track name, interpreter,...) as i cannot see >> them after burning in any peace of software? >> > > not directly from and into ardour but, whit ripit you should be able > to rip cd-text. i never tried ripit, but if i make an ardour export with toc file, cd text, composer... and rip it with grip or ripperX, they dont find any titles? cheers, doc > with k3b you can burn cd-text if your cd-recorder > supports cd-text. > > I'm not shure about, but if you export to a format with tags like > ogg/flac and then burn it with a cd-tool with cd-text support you > probable do not have to type it in again. > > http://www.suwald.com/ripit/ripit.html > > grtz > lukas > > > From jri at broadpark.no Mon Oct 30 06:08:10 2006 From: jri at broadpark.no (Johannes Mario Ringheim) Date: Mon Oct 30 06:08:20 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Music: ComboCandombe - QuedaTe(Remix) In-Reply-To: <200610301058.31975.mista.tapas@gmx.net> References: <45453B73.505@broadpark.no> <20061030090848.GA5466@charly.SWORD> <200610301058.31975.mista.tapas@gmx.net> Message-ID: <4545DD1A.1040301@broadpark.no> Thanks for comments, especially on the mix-part! Florian Schmidt wrote: >> I dislike the snare-roll break early on, as it feels alien and >> overly long to me. > > I have to disgree. It is nice Tension :) Something out of the ordinary and > nicely executed. But we see it's a matter of opinion. :) It's a break from an early Sly Stone record, before the Family Stone. It's got this weird song with just drums and organ, that's where I got this intro and the break on the rap-part from. >> The bass ... not sure it's that, but it seems to be over-compressed. > > The whole recording sounds a bit "closed". I don't know a better word for it. > As if the real deep bass and the sizzling highs are missing. On the other > hand it is a very compact mix. Imho just a bit too compact. The original idea was to make it sound like the early Sugarhill records. If you listen to these none have any significant deep bass, it's more like clean sounding slap-bass all the way. Also, many modern recordings are careful with deep bass, since they know that the bass usually will be overly cranked up when it gets played in clubs or radio. On the high-end part I think this is because I deceided not to use any reverb. This was inspired by a friend of mine, who's deeply into digital audio, claimed that an office-PC simply doesn't cut it when it comes to producing reverb. Well, as an experiment I deceided to use echo all the way instead of reverb. Might sound a bit dry, yes. If you listen to the original version of the song it's much brighter in the high-end, while mine sounds more Cypress Hill'ish and maybe not so much Sugarhill. >> Otherwise I think the remix feels quite smooth and natural. > > Great song. Thanks! -- Ringheims Auto - Fri musikk for bilstereo! http://ringheimsauto.org From lerni at gmx.ch Mon Oct 30 06:15:49 2006 From: lerni at gmx.ch (Lukas Erni) Date: Mon Oct 30 06:16:06 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Just a comment In-Reply-To: <4545E606.9070000@gmx.net> References: <20061027205152.33d81750@localhost> <200610300803.38579.lerni@gmx.ch> <4545E606.9070000@gmx.net> Message-ID: <200610301215.49484.lerni@gmx.ch> Am Montag, 30. Oktober 2006 12:46 schrieb Dragan Noveski: > i never tried ripit, but if i make an ardour export with toc file, > cd text, composer... and rip it with grip or ripperX, they dont > find any titles? AFAIK grip dosn't. but on the cdda2wave page they say it can... http://www.cdda2wav.de/ > .... retrieve track titles from CD Extra (aka CD-Plus or Enhanced > CD) and CD-Text. grtz lukas From ciccolix at tiscalinet.it Mon Oct 30 06:48:23 2006 From: ciccolix at tiscalinet.it (ciccolix) Date: Mon Oct 30 06:48:33 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] (OT) to buy a touch screen Message-ID: <4545E687.90100@tiscalinet.it> Hi all, I think that some of you have already make a "kiosk" with some interactive sound apps running on. It is the first time that I try to make it, my problem (in this 1? step) is to find a on-line seller (in europe) in order to buy a kit for a add-on touchscreen (i need only the touch panel, I have alredy the display). Someone can spoint me to a place where to buy (in Europe) this kind of things ? Thanks for whichever aid -- Lazzaro From atte.jensen at gmail.com Mon Oct 30 07:33:49 2006 From: atte.jensen at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Atte_Andr=E9_Jensen?=) Date: Mon Oct 30 07:33:57 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Music: ComboCandombe - QuedaTe(Remix) In-Reply-To: <20061030103630.GB5974@linux-1.site> References: <45453B73.505@broadpark.no> <20061030090848.GA5466@charly.SWORD> <200610301058.31975.mista.tapas@gmx.net> <4545D418.2000708@gmail.com> <20061030103630.GB5974@linux-1.site> Message-ID: <4545F12D.2020202@gmail.com> Fons Adriaensen wrote: > See http://users.skynet.be/solaris/linuxaudio Nice, thanks! -- peace, love & harmony Atte http://www.atte.dk | quintet: http://www.anagrammer.dk | compositions: http://www.atte.dk/compositions From ico at vt.edu Mon Oct 30 08:58:37 2006 From: ico at vt.edu (Ivica Ico Bukvic) Date: Mon Oct 30 08:59:05 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Linuxaudio.org -- call for new member projects Message-ID: <001d01c6fc2b$814c1c80$0302a8c0@64BitBadass> Apologies for cross-posting. Please forward the announcement to your respective lists (if applicable). Yes, it's that time of the year. In our continued bi-monthly track of membership drives, I would like to extend an open invitation to all Linux audio projects who are not already a member of the consortium to consider joining and therefore help us continue our efforts at consolidation of Linux audio resources. The membership is free and the consortium's structure allows members to gauge their level of involvement and subsequently the time overhead it bears. In the recent months there have been a number of exciting new projects introduced to the Linux audio scene. This is very encouraging as it suggests not only continued, but also growing vitality of our platform of choice. Linuxaudio.org's mission is to help maintain this vitality by offering various programs to its membership base as well as the entire Linux audio community. Perhaps one of the most important programs is our mission to consolidate Linux audio resources and by doing so foster collaboration as well as connections with the commercial industry and outside investors. For this reason, I sincerely hope that you will consider joining the consortium. For more info on the membership, benefits, etc. please visit linuxaudio.org. We have our next new member announcement set for this coming Thursday November 2nd. Should you happen to have any additional questions and/or concerns, please do not hesitate to contact me. Best wishes, Ivica Ico Bukvic, D.M.A. Linuxaudio.org Director Virginia Tech Department of Music - 0240 Blacksburg, VA 24061 (540) 231-1137 (540) 231-5034 (fax) ico@linuxaudio.org http://www.music.vt.edu/people/faculty/bukvic From k.s.matheussen at notam02.no Mon Oct 30 09:39:12 2006 From: k.s.matheussen at notam02.no (Kjetil S. Matheussen) Date: Mon Oct 30 09:39:35 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [ANN] Vmwaredspjack 1.3, Snd-ls 0.9.7.6 and Jack_capture V0.3.8 Message-ID: Vmwaredspjack ============= This is the vmwaredsp program, made by Petr Vandrovec, which makes vmware work with esd or arts. This version adds jack support as well. (Unfortunately, jacklaunch (which is a similar program) doesn't work with vmware, but I think Gunter is working on it... :-) .) The program isn't always working that well, but if used with care (don't trust the output too much) and proper tuning, you can use professional windows audio software in vmware using jack for audio communication. Download from http://www.notam02.no/arkiv/src/ Snd-ls v0.9.7.6 =============== Snd-ls is a distribution of Bill Schottstaedt's sound editor SND. Its target is people that don't know scheme very well, and don't want to spend too much time configuring Snd. It can also serve as a quick introduction to Snd and how it can be set up. Changes 0.9.7.1 -> 0.9.7.6: --------------------------- -Proper debug output in case startup fails. -Fixed bug in jack audio. -Temporary remove the fft menu because its not working with the 26.9.2006 version of Snd. Bug found by Dragan Noveski. -Check for the existence of the sndfile.h header file before compiling. If it doesn't exist, snd-ls will refuse to run. Problem reported by Krzusztof Gawlas. -Make sure snd starts up e