From suamor at web.de Fri Sep 1 01:40:15 2006 From: suamor at web.de (Reinhard) Date: Fri Sep 1 01:40:03 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Canorus 0.0.2 released Message-ID: <44F7C7BF.8020208@web.de> Hi, Canorus, the successor to the music score editor NoteEdit is looking for developers wanting to join the project. The project is hosted on berlios and provides SVN access to the sources as well as a Wiki for project discussions. I put out a first release based on the current SVN. You can fetch it from http://prdownload.berlios.de/canorus/canorus-0.0.2.tar.bz2. Homepage: http://canorus.berlios.de Wiki: http://canorus.berlios.de/wiki/index.php/Main_Page Contact: http://canorus.berlios.de/contact.html Canorus is the next generation music score editor (multiple viewports of the same score, scripting support, score source view, fast and intuitive UI, free software and cross-platform) . Technically it is based on Qt4, uses CMake as project management tool, swig for scripting / macros integration (primary script languages are ruby and python) and the cross platform rtmidi library for the MIDI playback. Canorus is searching for developers with experience in the fields C++, Ruby, Qt4, XML, Parsing, User Interfaces, Music Composition and Theory, Translators, Score Editing Unit Tests. Some of the tasks are: - Add several UI parts (either via Ruby or in the core) like Settings, several different property perspectives, Lyrics, Import / Export - Development of a robust test engine for the user interface and its core (could be done via scripting) - Import parsers for ABC Music, Lilypond, MusicXML, MUP (& NoteEdit), MusiXTeX, PMX, MIDI etc. - Export for several formats like the above - Recording and replay of macros - Multi-Level Undo/Redo (for different perspectives) If you want to join the project just mail me your berlios unix name (user name you use to log into berlios). I'd use that name for a wiki account too and will send you a password you should change as soon as possible. If you cannot code but still want to contribute read the forum message http://developer.berlios.de/forum/message.php?msg_id=31863 A big "thank you!" to everyone making this project possible. Best regards, Reinhard Katzmann -- Software-Engineer, Developer of User Interfaces Project: Canorus - the next generation music score editor - http://canorus.berlios.de GnuPG Public Key available on request From ico.bukvic at gmail.com Fri Sep 1 10:11:15 2006 From: ico.bukvic at gmail.com (Ivica Ico Bukvic) Date: Fri Sep 1 10:11:31 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Wine introduces ASIO support Message-ID: <001e01c6cdd0$7e5d8e70$3402a8c0@64BitBadass> I've been just informed by Robert Reif of the Wine project that Wine now has a simple ASIO driver and that testers are needed. For more info please see: http://bugs.winehq.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2161 Ivica Ico Bukvic, D.M.A. Linuxaudio.org Director Virginia Tech Department of Music - 0240 Blacksburg, VA 24061 (540) 231-1137 (540) 231-5034 (fax) ico@vt.edu http://www.music.vt.edu/people/faculty/bukvic From ljc at internet.com.uy Fri Sep 1 11:12:25 2006 From: ljc at internet.com.uy (luis jure) Date: Fri Sep 1 11:14:37 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] pd and gem on gentoo In-Reply-To: <70a871c80608311036u6f64fdfage882985c1a0c0bcf@mail.gmail.com> References: <20060829095920.538c068f@acme.acmenet> <70a871c80608311036u6f64fdfage882985c1a0c0bcf@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20060901121225.5a0461cb@acme.acmenet> El Thu, 31 Aug 2006 21:36:07 +0400 "Dmitry Baikov" escribi?: > Open "nv" drivers do not have opengl support. > You have to emerge nvidia-drivers done that already. i know about nvidia-drivers. From paul at linuxaudiosystems.com Fri Sep 1 11:44:44 2006 From: paul at linuxaudiosystems.com (Paul Davis) Date: Fri Sep 1 11:45:43 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] RME multiface gain, matrix and/or asoundrc and an array of confusion. In-Reply-To: <5969dc560608152342n3d9de87bncce6ed0ac8b2a1a9@mail.gmail.com> References: <5969dc560608112149o42ea867al84ad68561a237cee@mail.gmail.com> <200608120833.07327.tito@rumford.de> <5969dc560608152342n3d9de87bncce6ed0ac8b2a1a9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1157125484.6480.43.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Wed, 2006-08-16 at 16:42 +1000, we are wrote: > could someone tell me what this line should look like? it should look like: hdspmixer & there is no driver control over the analog gain stage on the multiface. i don't recall if it exists in the h/w or not. From stefanobarbi at gmail.com Fri Sep 1 15:50:19 2006 From: stefanobarbi at gmail.com (Stefano Barbi) Date: Fri Sep 1 13:51:08 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Novation Speedio Message-ID: <1157140219.14525.0.camel@localhost> >Dear all, >Just want to bring this issue back before the list again. >Has anyone successfully used the Novation Speedio (a USB >audio/MIDI interface) with Linux? The MIDI side of mine >works fine, but the audio (both input and output) sounds >weird, like it's underwater, and the music plays too slowly >and at a low pitch. I'm running Gentoo, 2.6.13 kernel, >ALSA 1.0.8, JACK 0.99.0-r1. I got almost the same results with the Novation Speedio, except that recording works fine for me. I'm currently using a Gentoo 2.6.17-gentoo-r4 kernel and ALSA 1.0.12. I tried other kernel/alsa-driver combinations but I had the same problem. I also would like to hear if anybody has had better experiences with Speedio hardware. Thank you in advance. Stefano From cave.dnb at tiscali.fr Fri Sep 1 15:40:38 2006 From: cave.dnb at tiscali.fr (Nigel Henry) Date: Fri Sep 1 15:40:48 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Midi keyboard problems with Ensoniq (ens1371) card Message-ID: <200609012140.38433.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> My midi keyboard (Evolution MK-225C) works fine when using the USB connection with my Audigy2 soundblaster card. Someone on the Fedora list is having a problem with using the midi/gameport for his keyboard with an Ensoniq (ens1371) card. I tried the keyboard on my other machine that has an Ensoniq card. First using the USB connection, which works ok, and secondly using the midi cable which connects to the soundcards gameport. Big problems here. Qjackctl shows in it's midi connections, a midi plug followed by 64:ES1371-Rawmidi 0. Connecting this to ZynAddSubFx produces no output. I then installed kmidimon from planetccrma. when I connect kmidimon through qjackctl's midi connections I get 2 instances of. 5003 0:1 ALSA Port subscribed 64:0 130:0 If I then play a few notes on the keyboard, and then switch the keyboard off with it's power switch, I get on kmidimon. 64:0 Note off 1 0 0 So there seems to be some sort of connectivety between the keyboard and the machine by the midi connection. I freely admit that I'm not clued up on midi, but this keyboard has allways worked ok using the USB connection, but is having problems when using the midi cable through the gameport of the Ensoniq card. Any suggestions very welcome. Nigel. From prg at ichthyostega.de Fri Sep 1 18:50:59 2006 From: prg at ichthyostega.de (Ichthyostega) Date: Fri Sep 1 18:51:10 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] RME multiface gain, matrix and/or asoundrc and an array of confusion. In-Reply-To: <5969dc560608112149o42ea867al84ad68561a237cee@mail.gmail.com> References: <5969dc560608112149o42ea867al84ad68561a237cee@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <44F8B953.1080407@ichthyostega.de> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 we are schrieb: > hey there crew. > > the other issue is that when i use media players like audacious, xmms, > mplayer etc. the output gain is a huge amount louder than PD and > Ardour and other such audio apps. this is really confusing. > > as for routing the I/O's for live audio usage. i can't seem to workout > a simple and effective way to route the sound for performance. ideally > i would like to be able to have pd own the card. at the moment all > the inputs are directed routed and mixed to the subsequent output ie > analog in 1 goes to analog out 1, ananlog in 2 goes to analog out 2. > Hello Tom, you really should use the hdspmixer. It is the ownly way to see really what is going on with the Multiface. There seems to be no way to read out the current gain settings of the hardware/firmware, so the only way is letting hdspmixer control everything. You can do really advanced stuff with hdspmixer like creating several custom mixes on the fly. For crittical recording sessions, I use such a custom mix and deliver it to a DAT, in case the whole brave new computer technology has again some problems. Best thing is: this even works after you disconnect the mutiface from your Laptop, until you shut down the power. The other problems with audacity (resolved in newest version for this), xmms etc. stem from the fact they use the OSS-Connection and this delivers the sound simultanously to all output channels. The default for the hdsp firmware is to mix all channels to the analog line, and thus you get way to much output level. This one is simple to resolve with the hdspmixer as well: You create a specific setup for OSS Playback an map it to one of the 8 Preset buttons. hope this helps, Hermann Vosseler -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.3 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFE+LlTZbZrB6HelLIRAhFfAJ9Kd8Z8IuGy0jBwoYy4mXC5vfQI4QCfQtFC 7zN/ZdiNCZf5wgrtQdkGfgQ= =U89Q -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From lanas at securenet.net Fri Sep 1 23:54:51 2006 From: lanas at securenet.net (lanas) Date: Fri Sep 1 23:53:34 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] M-Audio 1010LT and Pulsar mic (and jackd and SuSE 10.0) Message-ID: <20060901235451.5bc0dd1e@mistral.stie> Folks, I basically have three questions that I managed to wrap up in a lot of words. Here they are. I finally started to get things going towards having a PC for recording music. So I got a M-Audio 1010LT. I'm using SuSE 10.0, so it was only a matter of selecting the card in Yast to have it going with envy24control. I also got a pair of M-Audio speakers, the Studio Pro 3 kind and although I like them (makes a great change from what I'm used to so far i.e. a flurry of Creative speakers) one of them is not working so I'll return them to the stop and since they don't seem to have any other I'll end up getting the M-Audio DX4 speakers. Anyhow, I also got a M-Audio Pulsar mic for the accoustic guitars I have. Upon reading the booklet that comes along, I found out that it needs what's called a phantom 48v power supply. I presume the 1010LT does not deliver that, so it's basically useless to try to connect the mic directly to one of the mic input of the card, is it ? I have to get a 'box' that supplies this power supply. Are these boxes outputting through a XLR jack or will I use a RCA input of the 1010LT for the mic ? Also, does any one have a link on how to setup jack for a SuSE 10.0 system ? Starting one of the jack applications complains that jack is not there. Yast does not seem to have anything about it. And finally, now that I get good sound from the speaker (singular at the moment!) can I also get treeble/bass/EQ control of that sound ? Looks like envy24control does not have these settings. Cheers, Al From florin at andrei.myip.org Sat Sep 2 02:25:17 2006 From: florin at andrei.myip.org (Florin Andrei) Date: Sat Sep 2 02:26:01 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] M-Audio 1010LT and Pulsar mic (and jackd and SuSE 10.0) In-Reply-To: <20060901235451.5bc0dd1e@mistral.stie> References: <20060901235451.5bc0dd1e@mistral.stie> Message-ID: <1157178318.2858.12.camel@rivendell.home.local> On Fri, 2006-09-01 at 23:54 -0400, lanas wrote: > I also got a pair of M-Audio speakers, the Studio > Pro 3 kind and although I like them (makes a great change from what I'm > used to so far i.e. a flurry of Creative speakers) While the low-end M-Audio monitors are nothing exceptional or anything, they are waaay better than crappy Creative computer speakers. Good decision. I've heard very good things about the EX series (people comparing them with the low-end Adam and stuff like that!) but they are much more expensive. > Anyhow, I also got a M-Audio Pulsar mic for the accoustic guitars I > have. Upon reading the booklet that comes along, I found out that it > needs what's called a phantom 48v power supply. I presume the 1010LT > does not deliver that, so it's basically useless to try to connect the > mic directly to one of the mic input of the card, is it ? I have to > get a 'box' that supplies this power supply. Are these boxes > outputting through a XLR jack or will I use a RCA input of the 1010LT > for the mic ? You may be able to find an adapter that provides phantom power but it's probably best to get a mic preamp. You seem to be an M-Audio fan ;-) so look at M-Audio's, they're not too bad for the money and they do provide phantom power: http://www.m-audio.com/index.php?do=products.list&ID=preamps Myself, I'm using the Studio Projects VTB1 and it's OK: http://www.studioprojectsusa.com/vtb1.html > And finally, now that I get good sound from the speaker (singular at > the moment!) can I also get treeble/bass/EQ control of that sound ? > Looks like envy24control does not have these settings. A good studio monitor does not need treble/bass control. That's the purpose of a monitor - to provide unalloyed translation of the electric signal into sound. If you do find you need to apply spectrum corrections, you actually need to get a better monitor, or fix your room's acoustics, or most likely both. If you can afford it, subscribe to Sound On Sound. They run monitor reviews quite often and each issue carries an article about fixing the acoustics of small amateur studios. Extremely informative! http://www.soundonsound.com/ That being said, you can apply all kinds of filters via LADSPA. Install JACK, install LADSPA, install all the LADSPA plugins you can find - some of them are EQs, filters, etc. Install JACK-Rack, insert it into the audio chain somewhere, load up a LADSPA EQ in JACK-Rack and that's it. -- Florin Andrei http://florin.myip.org/ From florin at andrei.myip.org Sat Sep 2 02:32:40 2006 From: florin at andrei.myip.org (Florin Andrei) Date: Sat Sep 2 02:32:51 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] M-Audio 1010LT and Pulsar mic (and jackd and SuSE 10.0) In-Reply-To: <1157178318.2858.12.camel@rivendell.home.local> References: <20060901235451.5bc0dd1e@mistral.stie> <1157178318.2858.12.camel@rivendell.home.local> Message-ID: <1157178760.2858.18.camel@rivendell.home.local> On Fri, 2006-09-01 at 23:25 -0700, Florin Andrei wrote: > You may be able to find an adapter that provides phantom power but it's > probably best to get a mic preamp. You seem to be an M-Audio fan ;-) so > look at M-Audio's, they're not too bad for the money and they do provide > phantom power: > > http://www.m-audio.com/index.php?do=products.list&ID=preamps > > Myself, I'm using the Studio Projects VTB1 and it's OK: > > http://www.studioprojectsusa.com/vtb1.html In an ideal world, you will have to insert a compressor between the mic preamp and the soundcard. Maybe that's outside of your budget now, but still put it on the list for later on. Maybe next year or whenever you get the money. I highly recommend the FMR Audio RNC1773 a.k.a. the Really Nice Compressor. The performance/price ratio is nothing short of amazing. http://www.fmraudio.com/RNC1773.HTM -- Florin Andrei http://florin.myip.org/ From drucer99 at yahoo.com Sat Sep 2 05:34:44 2006 From: drucer99 at yahoo.com (Drucer Ninetynine) Date: Sat Sep 2 05:34:51 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Sound application feature idea Message-ID: <20060902093444.41204.qmail@web52205.mail.yahoo.com> I'm not a programmer myself, but I had an idea. Would it be possible (even in theory) to create an application that could analyze just a regular .wav song file and be able to "extract" the drum beats to a midi file? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From folderol at ukfsn.org Sat Sep 2 07:07:25 2006 From: folderol at ukfsn.org (Folderol) Date: Sat Sep 2 07:07:34 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Sound application feature idea In-Reply-To: <20060902093444.41204.qmail@web52205.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20060902093444.41204.qmail@web52205.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20060902120725.5eaaab06@localhost> On Sat, 2 Sep 2006 02:34:44 -0700 (PDT) Drucer Ninetynine wrote: > I'm not a programmer myself, but I had an idea. Would > it be possible (even in theory) to create an > application that could analyze just a regular .wav > song file and be able to "extract" the drum beats to a > midi file? I would imagine it would be fairly straightforward to extract the beats, but as to what exactly had produced them... Rather difficult I expect! -- Will J G From cave.dnb at tiscali.fr Sat Sep 2 07:40:56 2006 From: cave.dnb at tiscali.fr (Nigel Henry) Date: Sat Sep 2 07:41:05 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Midi keyboard problems with Ensoniq (ens1371) card In-Reply-To: <200609012140.38433.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> References: <200609012140.38433.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> Message-ID: <200609021340.57141.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> On Friday 01 September 2006 21:40, Nigel Henry wrote: > My midi keyboard (Evolution MK-225C) works fine when using the USB > connection with my Audigy2 soundblaster card. Someone on the Fedora list > is having a problem with using the midi/gameport for his keyboard with an > Ensoniq (ens1371) card. I tried the keyboard on my other machine that has > an Ensoniq card. First using the USB connection, which works ok, and > secondly using the midi cable which connects to the soundcards gameport. > Big problems here. Oops. Problem solved. There's a facility, if you're using the keyboard on the USB, to route out through the midi connection to another midi device. This was set to "yes". Simply changing it to "no" has got the keyboard working through the midi cable. Sorry for the wasted bandwidth. Nigel. From dplist at free.fr Sat Sep 2 07:49:07 2006 From: dplist at free.fr (David) Date: Sat Sep 2 07:49:14 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Sound application feature idea In-Reply-To: <20060902093444.41204.qmail@web52205.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20060902093444.41204.qmail@web52205.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20060902134907.76d6212c.dplist@free.fr> On Sat, 2 Sep 2006 02:34:44 -0700 (PDT) Drucer Ninetynine wrote: > I'm not a programmer myself, but I had an idea. Would > it be possible (even in theory) to create an > application that could analyze just a regular .wav > song file and be able to "extract" the drum beats to a > midi file? Freecyle does this. See http://freecycle.redsteamrecords.com Have a nice day. -- David From cannam at all-day-breakfast.com Sat Sep 2 08:01:45 2006 From: cannam at all-day-breakfast.com (Chris Cannam) Date: Sat Sep 2 07:59:26 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Sound application feature idea In-Reply-To: <20060902134907.76d6212c.dplist@free.fr> References: <20060902093444.41204.qmail@web52205.mail.yahoo.com> <20060902134907.76d6212c.dplist@free.fr> Message-ID: <200609021301.45166.cannam@all-day-breakfast.com> On Saturday 02 Sep 2006 12:49, David wrote: > On Sat, 2 Sep 2006 02:34:44 -0700 (PDT) > Drucer Ninetynine wrote: > > I'm not a programmer myself, but I had an idea. Would > > it be possible (even in theory) to create an > > application that could analyze just a regular .wav > > song file and be able to "extract" the drum beats to a > > midi file? > > Freecyle does this. See http://freecycle.redsteamrecords.com Paul Brossier's Aubio library includes command-line programs called aubioonset, aubionotes and aubiotrack that will do this in real time from live audio input via JACK, using several different methods. (Freecycle uses the Aubio library as well.) Sonic Visualiser can also do this using any extraction plugin written to the Vamp plugin API. Aubio-based Vamp plugins are available too. The Vamp SDK also includes a standalone command-line host for running plugins directly on WAV files. http://aubio.piem.org/ http://www.sonicvisualiser.org/ http://www.sonicvisualiser.org/vamp.html Chris From folderol at ukfsn.org Sat Sep 2 08:51:06 2006 From: folderol at ukfsn.org (Folderol) Date: Sat Sep 2 08:51:16 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Sound application feature idea In-Reply-To: <200609021301.45166.cannam@all-day-breakfast.com> References: <20060902093444.41204.qmail@web52205.mail.yahoo.com> <20060902134907.76d6212c.dplist@free.fr> <200609021301.45166.cannam@all-day-breakfast.com> Message-ID: <20060902135106.578ac9c6@localhost> On Sat, 2 Sep 2006 13:01:45 +0100 Chris Cannam wrote: > On Saturday 02 Sep 2006 12:49, David wrote: > > On Sat, 2 Sep 2006 02:34:44 -0700 (PDT) > > Drucer Ninetynine wrote: > > > I'm not a programmer myself, but I had an idea. Would > > > it be possible (even in theory) to create an > > > application that could analyze just a regular .wav > > > song file and be able to "extract" the drum beats to a > > > midi file? > > > > Freecyle does this. See http://freecycle.redsteamrecords.com > > Paul Brossier's Aubio library includes command-line programs called > aubioonset, aubionotes and aubiotrack that will do this in real time > from live audio input via JACK, using several different methods. > (Freecycle uses the Aubio library as well.) > > Sonic Visualiser can also do this using any extraction plugin written to > the Vamp plugin API. Aubio-based Vamp plugins are available too. The > Vamp SDK also includes a standalone command-line host for running > plugins directly on WAV files. > > http://aubio.piem.org/ > http://www.sonicvisualiser.org/ > http://www.sonicvisualiser.org/vamp.html > > > Chris Impressive! I need to get about more :) -- Will J G From drucer99 at yahoo.com Sat Sep 2 09:18:09 2006 From: drucer99 at yahoo.com (Drucer Ninetynine) Date: Sat Sep 2 09:18:16 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Sound application feature idea In-Reply-To: <200609021301.45166.cannam@all-day-breakfast.com> Message-ID: <20060902131809.23204.qmail@web52211.mail.yahoo.com> Wow, this is one of those days when one has to be totally amazed again! Impressive stuff, really impressive stuff! Thanks for sharing this information. --- Chris Cannam wrote: > Paul Brossier's Aubio library includes command-line > programs called > aubioonset, aubionotes and aubiotrack that will do > this in real time > from live audio input via JACK, using several > different methods. > (Freecycle uses the Aubio library as well.) > > Sonic Visualiser can also do this using any > extraction plugin written to __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From chris at mccormick.cx Sat Sep 2 09:16:01 2006 From: chris at mccormick.cx (Chris McCormick) Date: Sat Sep 2 09:20:04 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] pd and gem on gentoo In-Reply-To: <70a871c80608311036u6f64fdfage882985c1a0c0bcf@mail.gmail.com> References: <20060829095920.538c068f@acme.acmenet> <70a871c80608311036u6f64fdfage882985c1a0c0bcf@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20060902131601.GA4485@mccormick.cx> On Thu, Aug 31, 2006 at 09:36:07PM +0400, Dmitry Baikov wrote: > On 8/29/06, luis jure wrote: > >checking for glInitNames in -lGL... no > >checking for glInitNames in -lMesaGL... no > >OpenGL is mandatory > > > >i have an HP laptop (amd64, nvidia video card). i'm still using the > >plain nv open drivers. google shows, as usual, lots of (contradicting > > Open "nv" drivers do not have opengl support. > You have to emerge nvidia-drivers > They work pretty stable for closed-source ones :) Hi, Sorry this is OT. Does anyone know how to do this under Debian etch with xorg 7.0? I have been trying to get it to work for a while. Best, Chris. ------------------- chris@mccormick.cx http://mccormick.cx From dlphillips at woh.rr.com Sat Sep 2 10:18:34 2006 From: dlphillips at woh.rr.com (Dave Phillips) Date: Sat Sep 2 09:58:31 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] pd and gem on gentoo In-Reply-To: <20060902131601.GA4485@mccormick.cx> References: <20060829095920.538c068f@acme.acmenet> <70a871c80608311036u6f64fdfage882985c1a0c0bcf@mail.gmail.com> <20060902131601.GA4485@mccormick.cx> Message-ID: <44F992BA.2080608@woh.rr.com> Chris McCormick wrote: re: OpenGL and nVidia drivers >Sorry this is OT. Does anyone know how to do this under Debian etch with >xorg 7.0? I have been trying to get it to work for a while. > > Chris, if you're asking about installing the nVidia driver, I do have that driver compiled and working with Etch. I used nVidia's recommended procedure, so you'll need a development environment (the process compiles the driver locally, if necessary). I'm away from my home machine right now, but let me know if you need more information. Best, dp From folderol at ukfsn.org Sat Sep 2 10:23:36 2006 From: folderol at ukfsn.org (Folderol) Date: Sat Sep 2 10:23:45 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Some Random Thoughts In-Reply-To: <20060830155422.2bd166a7@localhost> References: <20060830155422.2bd166a7@localhost> Message-ID: <20060902152336.3910f503@localhost> I was very interested in the replies here. It seems there is quite a lot of consensus. So does that mean I'm less strange than I thought I was, or that there are more strange people? :) -- Will J G From julien at c-lab.de Sat Sep 2 12:50:30 2006 From: julien at c-lab.de (Julien Claassen) Date: Sat Sep 2 12:51:18 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] New music online Message-ID: Hi all! I just uploaded the complete rewrite of my website, with a few additional tracks. You can find the downloadpage at: http://www.juliencoder.de/en/download.html Or for the German guys at: http://www.juliencoder.de/de/download.html (beware German site is still incomplete!) The software I used is mainly ecasound, loads of ladspa-plugins, fluidsynth and ZynAddSubFX. Occasionally a bit more... Thanks to all the great lads, who made this possible! Btw. Feedback is highly welcome! (I'm practically longing for you to beat me up for my bad mastering or something... :0)) Kindest regards Julien -------- Music was my first love and it will be my last (John Miles) ======== FIND MY WEB-PROJECT AT: ======== http://ltsb.sourceforge.net the Linux TextBased Studio guide ======= AND MY PERSONAL PAGES AT: ======= http://www.juliencoder.de From lanas at securenet.net Sat Sep 2 14:11:45 2006 From: lanas at securenet.net (lanas) Date: Sat Sep 2 14:10:23 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] M-Audio 1010LT and Pulsar mic (and jackd and SuSE 10.0) In-Reply-To: <20060901235451.5bc0dd1e@mistral.stie> References: <20060901235451.5bc0dd1e@mistral.stie> Message-ID: <20060902141145.38f2f9af@mistral.stie> Folks, Updates. For SuSE 10.0 I found Michael Bohle's JackLab project which seems to be fine. So far the articles I've seen are in German, aber das ist OK bei mir. The web site is in English, so I presume there are translations: http://jacklab.net/ For the mics. I got a phantom power box for $25 and that's it. Haven't tried it, gotta get jackd working first. I'm taking notes about all this process as I'd like to eventually setup some kind of 'Linux home studio for dummies' web page. Still have to find out how to tweak bass/treble/EQ for sound playing, but I guess once I get jackd running... Cheers, Al From lanas at securenet.net Sat Sep 2 14:35:38 2006 From: lanas at securenet.net (lanas) Date: Sat Sep 2 14:34:10 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: jackd and SuSE 10.0 In-Reply-To: <20060902141145.38f2f9af@mistral.stie> References: <20060901235451.5bc0dd1e@mistral.stie> <20060902141145.38f2f9af@mistral.stie> Message-ID: <20060902143538.66888605@mistral.stie> Folks, Yet another update. Here's the page to turn a SuSE 10.0/1 box into a Digital Audio Workstation (going to try it now) : "Nerd 3 Steps to JAD" http://jacklab.net/userwiki/index.php/Nerd_3_Steps_to_JAD Al From d_baron at 012.net.il Sat Sep 2 15:17:40 2006 From: d_baron at 012.net.il (David Baron) Date: Sat Sep 2 15:17:52 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Wine introduces ASIO support In-Reply-To: <20060902062605.42E062BF1BA1@music.columbia.edu> References: <20060902062605.42E062BF1BA1@music.columbia.edu> Message-ID: <200609022217.41177.d_baron@012.net.il> On Saturday 02 September 2006 09:26, linux-audio-user-request@music.columbia.edu wrote: > I've been just informed by Robert Reif of the Wine project that Wine now > has a simple ASIO driver and that testers are needed. For more info please > see: > > http://bugs.winehq.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2161 Wow, been waiting for this. (There is already VST support around compiled using Winelib--standalone jack client jack-vst and support in several audio programs) Anyway, why did the folks doing jack remove support and what will the problems be for WINE? ASIO, as well as VST, are proprietary, non-free. While their creator, Steinberg, gives out the development kit freely, this is not opensource. Posting stuff made with this on Debian and other distribution lists may or will be excluded. There may be a question whether or not WINE will/can distribute such packages. The SDK for ASIO and VST must be obtained from Steinberg. For example, two header files needed for VST compilations need be taken from there and should not be included in source packages. While jack may be "better", my dman2044 sound card sits unused under linux because its technology is closed and therefore no ALSA support. Its asio driver sits on my windows partition, waiting for that day. (To use a "foreign" PCI device, more than an ASIO interface may be required since PCI devices need be correctly initialized on startup.) Would love to test this thing! BTW, one app that almost runs on WINE is Tracktion (Many of its pop-dialogs simply never appear and must be dismissed with ALT-F4 to continue) It ASIO option in there and it detects devices from the windows/system directory. It can read its sample projects and attempt to play them. Ready to go? From _ at whats-your.name Sat Sep 2 15:45:51 2006 From: _ at whats-your.name (carmen) Date: Sat Sep 2 15:45:52 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Wine introduces ASIO support In-Reply-To: <200609022217.41177.d_baron@012.net.il> References: <20060902062605.42E062BF1BA1@music.columbia.edu> <200609022217.41177.d_baron@012.net.il> Message-ID: <20060902194551.GA3730@replic.net> > Would love to test this thing! BTW, one app that almost runs on WINE is > Tracktion (Many of its pop-dialogs simply never appear and must be dismissed > with ALT-F4 to continue) It ASIO option in there and it detects devices from > the windows/system directory. It can read its sample projects and attempt to > play them. Ready to go? sounds about as buggy as the linux port of Tracktion..which i'd rather use. does Jules release the source? afaik JUCE has been linux-native for a while.. > From folderol at ukfsn.org Sat Sep 2 16:14:53 2006 From: folderol at ukfsn.org (Folderol) Date: Sat Sep 2 16:15:01 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] New music online In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20060902211453.08328b82@localhost> On Sat, 2 Sep 2006 18:50:30 +0200 (CEST) Julien Claassen wrote: > Hi all! > I just uploaded the complete rewrite of my website, with a few additional > tracks. You can find the downloadpage at: > http://www.juliencoder.de/en/download.html > Or for the German guys at: > http://www.juliencoder.de/de/download.html > (beware German site is still incomplete!) > The software I used is mainly ecasound, loads of ladspa-plugins, fluidsynth > and ZynAddSubFX. Occasionally a bit more... Thanks to all the great lads, who > made this possible! > Btw. Feedback is highly welcome! (I'm practically longing for you to beat me > up for my bad mastering or something... :0)) > Kindest regards > Julien Your website is a lot less confusing that it was before! I like some of your stuff. I wouldn't want to comment on the technical quality though I guess there are other better able to do that. As you use 'artificial' instruments a lot (like me) it can be rather difficult to say if the results are what you intended or not, without something being *really* out of step. -- Will J G From juuso.alasuutari at tamperelainen.org Sat Sep 2 16:20:41 2006 From: juuso.alasuutari at tamperelainen.org (juuso.alasuutari@tamperelainen.org) Date: Sat Sep 2 16:19:03 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Crispy hi-hats Message-ID: <1157228441.44f9e799cafdc@cs1.alpha12.l-secure.net> Something's bothering me about making beats in Linux (without a dime to spare on a hardware synth): The lack of high-quality hi-hat samples. I recently fell in love with a site called Freesound [0], but although I've found great samples there I'm still missing those crisp, airy hats I hear when listening to "real" music. (You may not share my taste for psychedelic trance, but you will know what I mean if you listen to e.g. Infected Mushroom.) Of course much of the sound is achieved with EQ's and effects, but one must still have a decent starting point. The only hi-hats I seem find sound muddy and heavy (I don't mean the genre of music, I mean that the hat hits won't "dance" in the air above the head, if you know what I mean). Usually they're also ruined by static background noise. :( I'm considering trying to locate some FOAF who owns a wavetable synth with digital I/O so I could sample clean hi-hats, but I would much rather have them home-made. Can anyone please point me to a free sample repository with high-quality hats, or recommend a GPL'd drum synth? (I haven't tried Smack yet, and I'm keeping my hopes up high - I'm sure it can say "smack" very well, and I'm hoping the "tschik" will also please me. :)) Thanks, Juuso [0] http://freesound.iua.upf.edu/ ---------------------------------------------------------------- This mail sent through L-secure: http://www.l-secure.net/ From julien at c-lab.de Sat Sep 2 17:15:32 2006 From: julien at c-lab.de (Julien Claassen) Date: Sat Sep 2 17:15:55 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Crispy hi-hats In-Reply-To: <1157228441.44f9e799cafdc@cs1.alpha12.l-secure.net> References: <1157228441.44f9e799cafdc@cs1.alpha12.l-secure.net> Message-ID: Hi Juuso! There are more synths to get drumsounds, although I didn't try thej myself, for reasons of tme being GUI-based and me being blind. There's om and definitely pd or csound (which I use), they can generate a lot of sounds. For samples, did you try hammersound(s).net (I'm not sure about the s in hammersounds?) They're soundfont based, you could use fluidsynth (qsynth respectively for that). They have a lot, electronic and acoustic. A few of them are nice. Of csound I'm sure, that it could do what you want, but with csound you have to work a bit, to get to know it. :-) Kindest regards Julie -------- Music was my first love and it will be my last (John Miles) ======== FIND MY WEB-PROJECT AT: ======== http://ltsb.sourceforge.net the Linux TextBased Studio guide ======= AND MY PERSONAL PAGES AT: ======= http://www.juliencoder.de From julien at c-lab.de Sat Sep 2 17:19:51 2006 From: julien at c-lab.de (Julien Claassen) Date: Sat Sep 2 17:20:06 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] New music online In-Reply-To: <20060902211453.08328b82@localhost> References: <20060902211453.08328b82@localhost> Message-ID: Hi! The being out of step is of course intentional! :-) It's the japanese art of wobby... It sometimes just happens, because I record everything live, track by track. I only use a click-track and sometimes a monitor to guide me. Kindest regards Juri-san :-) -------- Music was my first love and it will be my last (John Miles) ======== FIND MY WEB-PROJECT AT: ======== http://ltsb.sourceforge.net the Linux TextBased Studio guide ======= AND MY PERSONAL PAGES AT: ======= http://www.juliencoder.de From prg at ichthyostega.de Sat Sep 2 17:44:01 2006 From: prg at ichthyostega.de (Ichthyostega) Date: Sat Sep 2 17:44:09 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Some Random Thoughts In-Reply-To: <20060902152336.3910f503@localhost> References: <20060830155422.2bd166a7@localhost> <20060902152336.3910f503@localhost> Message-ID: <44F9FB21.4010703@ichthyostega.de> Folderol schrieb: > So does that mean I'm less strange than I thought I was, or that there > are more strange people? :) > I'll guess the latter. Of course, there are "very normal" people out there, and the other half you encounter is very strange.... ;-) Ichthyostega From job17and9 at sbcglobal.net Sat Sep 2 17:56:49 2006 From: job17and9 at sbcglobal.net (Brian Dunn) Date: Sat Sep 2 17:58:00 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Lashd won't start. In-Reply-To: <44F9FB21.4010703@ichthyostega.de> References: <20060830155422.2bd166a7@localhost> <20060902152336.3910f503@localhost> <44F9FB21.4010703@ichthyostega.de> Message-ID: <44F9FE21.7040009@sbcglobal.net> Oh wise audio collective; Anyone seen this before? Happens when I try to start lashd. brian@grace ~ $ lashd No supported SIMD instruction sets detected Connected to JACK server with client name 'LASH_Server' Opened ALSA sequencer with client ID 129 conn_mgr_start: could not look up service name: Servname not supported for ai_socktype loader_run: server closed socket; exiting Segmentation fault jackd 0.100.7 lashd version 0.5.1 Is jack kicking lash out? why, and what is a simd instruction set? thanks. Brian. From james at dis-dot-dat.net Sat Sep 2 18:09:35 2006 From: james at dis-dot-dat.net (james@dis-dot-dat.net) Date: Sat Sep 2 18:07:05 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Crispy hi-hats In-Reply-To: <1157228441.44f9e799cafdc@cs1.alpha12.l-secure.net> References: <1157228441.44f9e799cafdc@cs1.alpha12.l-secure.net> Message-ID: <20060902220935.GS9620@fitz.Belkin> On Sat, 02 Sep, 2006 at 11:20PM +0300, juuso.alasuutari@tamperelainen.org spake thus: > Something's bothering me about making beats in Linux (without a dime to spare on > a hardware synth): The lack of high-quality hi-hat samples. > > I recently fell in love with a site called Freesound [0], but although I've > found great samples there I'm still missing those crisp, airy hats I hear when > listening to "real" music. (You may not share my taste for psychedelic trance, > but you will know what I mean if you listen to e.g. Infected Mushroom.) > > Of course much of the sound is achieved with EQ's and effects, but one must > still have a decent starting point. The only hi-hats I seem find sound muddy > and heavy (I don't mean the genre of music, I mean that the hat hits won't > "dance" in the air above the head, if you know what I mean). Usually they're > also ruined by static background noise. :( > > I'm considering trying to locate some FOAF who owns a wavetable synth with > digital I/O so I could sample clean hi-hats, but I would much rather have them > home-made. Can anyone please point me to a free sample repository with > high-quality hats, or recommend a GPL'd drum synth? (I haven't tried Smack yet, > and I'm keeping my hopes up high - I'm sure it can say "smack" very well, and > I'm hoping the "tschik" will also please me. :)) I don't know where in the world you are, but try and get a hold of the UK magazines Future Music or Computer Music. They always carry lots of samples on the cover DVD. They aren't CC/GPL but you are granted a license to use them as you see fit, as if you'd bought the sample CD that they are taken from. Of course, a really good collection of CC samples of high quality would be nice, but I don't have the equipment to start it. James > Thanks, > Juuso > > [0] http://freesound.iua.upf.edu/ > > > This mail sent through L-secure: http://www.l-secure.net/ > > From james at dis-dot-dat.net Sat Sep 2 18:11:23 2006 From: james at dis-dot-dat.net (james@dis-dot-dat.net) Date: Sat Sep 2 18:08:52 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Some Random Thoughts In-Reply-To: <44F9FB21.4010703@ichthyostega.de> References: <20060830155422.2bd166a7@localhost> <20060902152336.3910f503@localhost> <44F9FB21.4010703@ichthyostega.de> Message-ID: <20060902221123.GT9620@fitz.Belkin> On Sat, 02 Sep, 2006 at 11:44PM +0200, Ichthyostega spake thus: > Folderol schrieb: > > So does that mean I'm less strange than I thought I was, or that there > > are more strange people? :) > > > > I'll guess the latter. > Of course, there are "very normal" people out there, > and the other half you encounter is very strange.... > ;-) Normal people are strange. Being strange is normal, really. Which is strange. > Ichthyostega > From lanas at securenet.net Sat Sep 2 19:27:04 2006 From: lanas at securenet.net (lanas) Date: Sat Sep 2 19:25:53 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] A lot of progrock/artrock online In-Reply-To: References: <20060817155649.75142a88@mistral.stie> Message-ID: <20060902192704.348bee2c@mistral.stie> On Sat, 19 Aug 2006 16:15:44 +0200 (CEST) Julien Claassen ?crivait: Hallo Julian, I have listened to 'Name of the Lily' and as the other one I listened to, it's quite good in that the feeling is well crafted. It is much Genesis-like, circa 'Nursery Crymes'. The voice is quite good. But as with the other piece I've listened to, once everything is placed, it'd be great to spend a bit more time to make the actual instruments have more punch, if possible. A bit more time on the mix could also be quite good, so that the voice (which is nice) blends a bit more with an eventual more dynamic (in tone, not in music!) backdrop. I'm very bad placed to make any statement about sound recording since I did not even get a Linux audio workstation installed yet (I was about to today, but then I found out that the Jacklab YaST address returns 404 - so now I'm trying a live CD called 'MusixGNU+Linux" and am also getting the '64 Studio' since I run a AMD dual-core. So hopefully, I'll get a taste at making and exploring music. Eventually. > And it's good to know of someone else, who knows "The Flower Kings"! I know their music since quite some time, but had an opportunity to drive (from Frankfurt) and see them live in W?rzburg in 2004. I filmed a good part of the concert. I also saw Isildurs Bane, both concerts organized by the same guy, Charlie (Karl-Heinz I think), who also sells CDs. I'm really looking forward at having an audio workstation. From what I read here and what I saw on different projects pages, it seems like there's an exiting choice of softwares and techniques, of sound samples and recording possibilities. If only it'd be easy to install. Not that I mind a bit of tweaking (I've built Linux From Scratch systems) but I do find that when I want to do something, like being creative at music using an audio workstation, I'm blatantly expecting not that much of 'problems' to get it working. At least not 'ground problems' like a 404 URL problem such as for SuSE Jacklab. What distro are you using ? Alles gut, Al From lanas at securenet.net Sat Sep 2 19:34:32 2006 From: lanas at securenet.net (lanas) Date: Sat Sep 2 19:33:00 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] M-Audio Delta 1010LT - Alsa 1.0.11 - only Output on ch1 and 2 In-Reply-To: <1156271290.4137.18.camel@stantz.corp.sgi.com> References: <53735.83.135.214.74.1156242830.squirrel@webmail.indisgrace.de> <1156271290.4137.18.camel@stantz.corp.sgi.com> Message-ID: <20060902193432.3aa10bd9@mistral.stie> On Tue, 22 Aug 2006 11:28:10 -0700 Florin Andrei ?crivait: > So, in my opinion, stereo apps sending output only to #1 and 2 (in the > absence of JACK) is normal. If you want more complex routing, just use > JACK. I can confirm that. Just got a 1010LT and am using outputs 1 and 2 for listening to ogg files or for videos using xine and the sound is simply right. That's as far as it goes now, since I do not have yet an audio workstation installed. Would it be possible to, say, used output 3 to drive a sub-woofer ? How would that be done using envy24control ? Cheers, Al From folderol at ukfsn.org Sat Sep 2 20:23:35 2006 From: folderol at ukfsn.org (Folderol) Date: Sat Sep 2 20:23:43 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] More ramblings :) Message-ID: <20060903012335.3e056463@localhost> Well, for the past week I should have been on holiday in Scotland, but after two days and some miserable weather a heavy cold sent me scurrying home to feel sorry for myself. Well, of course with a week now of 'uncommitted' time it was obvious what I would do, wasn't it :) When I'm more or less satisfied with a piece of music, I first check it on a pair of medium quality headphones for balance, then on my main Hi-Fi which is quite a tasty unit, and finally on the car stereo, to see what it sounds like with a truly mangled frequency response. I was so excited about my latest piece - Ripples In A Pond - that I was in the car at 1am checking it out. It's OK, I think my neighbours already know I'm crazy. The second part of this tune - Echo From The Lake - was very much an after thought, but now I think it's the best part of it! I also finally have Footsteps put together to my satisfaction. I don't know quite how I did it but the 3rd section as a real room filling quality. The brisk march at the end nearly didn't happen. The melody by itself seemed a bit thin and weedy. There are several other new tunes and a couple of updated ones - I told you I'd been busy :) Please have a look and tell me what you think. http://www.folderol.ukfsn.org/updates.shtml -- Will J G From lanas at securenet.net Sat Sep 2 20:39:20 2006 From: lanas at securenet.net (lanas) Date: Sat Sep 2 20:37:41 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] More ramblings :) In-Reply-To: <20060903012335.3e056463@localhost> References: <20060903012335.3e056463@localhost> Message-ID: <20060902203920.0ba74a41@mistral.stie> On Sun, 3 Sep 2006 01:23:35 +0100 Folderol ?crivait: > Please have a look and tell me what you think. > http://www.folderol.ukfsn.org/updates.shtml Haven't really heard the piece, but on the technical side, do you really want people not to actually download your music ? I mean, the linkcount perl script seems to be like the ogg file, but when downloaded, and properly renamed, the ogg plyaer does not reckon it. Of course, simply clicking and using RealPlayer (SUSE 10.0) works. Cheers, Al From folderol at ukfsn.org Sat Sep 2 20:46:53 2006 From: folderol at ukfsn.org (Folderol) Date: Sat Sep 2 20:47:13 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] More ramblings :) In-Reply-To: <20060902203920.0ba74a41@mistral.stie> References: <20060903012335.3e056463@localhost> <20060902203920.0ba74a41@mistral.stie> Message-ID: <20060903014653.78a5a56e@localhost> On Sat, 2 Sep 2006 20:39:20 -0400 lanas wrote: > On Sun, 3 Sep 2006 01:23:35 +0100 > Folderol ?crivait: > > > Please have a look and tell me what you think. > > http://www.folderol.ukfsn.org/updates.shtml > > Haven't really heard the piece, but on the technical side, do you > really want people not to actually download your music ? I mean, the > linkcount perl script seems to be like the ogg file, but when > downloaded, and properly renamed, the ogg plyaer does not reckon it. > Of course, simply clicking and using RealPlayer (SUSE 10.0) works. > > Cheers, > Al This is annoying. I thought I had resolved that problem. Can you say *exactly* how you are trying to download files? An ordinary click seems to be fine in Firefox, Opera & Konquerer. -- Will J G From lanas at securenet.net Sat Sep 2 21:57:48 2006 From: lanas at securenet.net (lanas) Date: Sat Sep 2 21:56:17 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] More ramblings :) In-Reply-To: <20060903014653.78a5a56e@localhost> References: <20060903012335.3e056463@localhost> <20060902203920.0ba74a41@mistral.stie> <20060903014653.78a5a56e@localhost> Message-ID: <20060902215748.669a4e65@mistral.stie> On Sun, 3 Sep 2006 01:46:53 +0100 Folderol ?crivait: > This is annoying. I thought I had resolved that problem. Can you say > *exactly* how you are trying to download files? An ordinary click > seems to be fine in Firefox, Opera & Konquerer. Well there are two ways (using Firefox (SuSE 10.0)) : 1) Click on the 'ogg' keyword This will indeed get the file then will open RealPlayer. From RP, it seems it's not possible to save the file. 2) 'Save as' options This will offer the perl .pl file, which is th esame size, or so it seems, as the ogg file and will save the file as perl. UPDATE: Once renamed, it now works. Hey, that's an awful long time that I did not feel like a Windows user, but it happened. For some reason SuSE 10.0 had unloaded the required drivers for the M-Audio 1010LT card. I had to use YaST several times (again, that Windows feeling !) to get the proper stuff loaded. SO, once the 'Perl' file renamed to ogg file, it's OK. Cheers, Al From drobilla at connect.carleton.ca Sat Sep 2 22:23:47 2006 From: drobilla at connect.carleton.ca (Dave Robillard) Date: Sat Sep 2 22:24:24 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Lashd won't start. In-Reply-To: <44F9FE21.7040009@sbcglobal.net> References: <20060830155422.2bd166a7@localhost> <20060902152336.3910f503@localhost> <44F9FB21.4010703@ichthyostega.de> <44F9FE21.7040009@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <1157250227.21347.3.camel@DaveLap> On Sat, 2006-09-02 at 16:56 -0500, Brian Dunn wrote: > Oh wise audio collective; > Anyone seen this before? Happens when I try to start lashd. > > brian@grace ~ $ lashd > No supported SIMD instruction sets detected > Connected to JACK server with client name 'LASH_Server' > Opened ALSA sequencer with client ID 129 > conn_mgr_start: could not look up service name: Servname not supported > for ai_socktype > loader_run: server closed socket; exiting > Segmentation fault > > jackd 0.100.7 > lashd version 0.5.1 > > > Is jack kicking lash out? why, and what is a simd instruction set? No, it's a bug in LASH. Someone else has reported the same problem on IRC, but I can't reproduce it or find the cause, and it doesn't seem to happen to most people. If yours is the same problem, that is.. it would be helpful if you could post a GDB backtrace of lashd? Cheers, -DR- P.S. SIMD = SSE and friends. From forest at alittletooquiet.net Sat Sep 2 23:58:10 2006 From: forest at alittletooquiet.net (Forest Bond) Date: Sat Sep 2 23:58:21 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Lashd won't start. In-Reply-To: <44F9FE21.7040009@sbcglobal.net> References: <20060830155422.2bd166a7@localhost> <20060902152336.3910f503@localhost> <44F9FB21.4010703@ichthyostega.de> <44F9FE21.7040009@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <20060903035810.GM4042@localdomain> > Anyone seen this before? Happens when I try to start lashd. > > brian@grace ~ $ lashd > No supported SIMD instruction sets detected > Connected to JACK server with client name 'LASH_Server' > Opened ALSA sequencer with client ID 129 > conn_mgr_start: could not look up service name: Servname not supported > for ai_socktype > loader_run: server closed socket; exiting > Segmentation fault This is usually what happens if you are missing the appropriate line in /etc/services (lashd shouldn't crash when this happens, but does.) -Forest -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 191 bytes Desc: Digital signature Url : http://music.columbia.edu/pipermail/linux-audio-user/attachments/20060902/d9776f24/attachment.bin From markknecht at gmail.com Sun Sep 3 00:39:30 2006 From: markknecht at gmail.com (Mark Knecht) Date: Sun Sep 3 00:39:38 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] More ramblings :) In-Reply-To: <20060902215748.669a4e65@mistral.stie> References: <20060903012335.3e056463@localhost> <20060902203920.0ba74a41@mistral.stie> <20060903014653.78a5a56e@localhost> <20060902215748.669a4e65@mistral.stie> Message-ID: <5bdc1c8b0609022139w193d1282i6271ce70a5fb6dd4@mail.gmail.com> On 9/2/06, lanas wrote: > > 2) 'Save as' options > > This will offer the perl .pl file, which is th esame size, or so it > seems, as the ogg file and will save the file as perl. > > UPDATE: Once renamed, it now works. Hey, that's an awful long time > that I did not feel like a Windows user, but it happened. For some > reason SuSE 10.0 had unloaded the required drivers for the M-Audio > 1010LT card. I had to use YaST several times (again, that Windows > feeling !) to get the proper stuff loaded. > > SO, once the 'Perl' file renamed to ogg file, it's OK. Please explain. I happen to be on a Windows box right now. when I right click in Firefox on the ogg file and pick Save as... it says linkcount.pl. - Mark From set at pobox.com Sun Sep 3 02:35:09 2006 From: set at pobox.com (Paul) Date: Sun Sep 3 02:35:23 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: More ramblings :) In-Reply-To: <5bdc1c8b0609022139w193d1282i6271ce70a5fb6dd4@mail.gmail.com> References: <20060903012335.3e056463@localhost> <20060902203920.0ba74a41@mistral.stie> <20060903014653.78a5a56e@localhost> <20060902215748.669a4e65@mistral.stie> <5bdc1c8b0609022139w193d1282i6271ce70a5fb6dd4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20060903063509.GZ28379@squish.home.loc> Mark Knecht , on Sat Sep 02, 2006 [09:39:30 PM] said: > On 9/2/06, lanas wrote: > > > > >2) 'Save as' options > > > > This will offer the perl .pl file, which is th esame size, or so it > >seems, as the ogg file and will save the file as perl. > > > > UPDATE: Once renamed, it now works. Hey, that's an awful long time > >that I did not feel like a Windows user, but it happened. For some > >reason SuSE 10.0 had unloaded the required drivers for the M-Audio > >1010LT card. I had to use YaST several times (again, that Windows > >feeling !) to get the proper stuff loaded. > > > > SO, once the 'Perl' file renamed to ogg file, it's OK. > > Please explain. I happen to be on a Windows box right now. when I > right click in Firefox on the ogg file and pick Save as... it says > linkcount.pl. > > - Mark > Hi; I just click on the OGG box in mozilla, and mplayerplug-in plays it. mplayerplug-in plays pretty much everything except the effusive evil of flash, so there isnt much use for realplayer/helixplayer. Its also configurable to save the media, and/or you can right click in the window to explicitly save it. Even with a fast net connection realplayer is an ugly awkward pos. Paul set@pobox.com From dsbaikov at gmail.com Sun Sep 3 04:23:23 2006 From: dsbaikov at gmail.com (Dmitry Baikov) Date: Sun Sep 3 04:23:34 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Crispy hi-hats In-Reply-To: <20060902220935.GS9620@fitz.Belkin> References: <1157228441.44f9e799cafdc@cs1.alpha12.l-secure.net> <20060902220935.GS9620@fitz.Belkin> Message-ID: <70a871c80609030123nb7082a2t2c1236eeb274c515@mail.gmail.com> On 9/3/06, james@dis-dot-dat.net wrote: > On Sat, 02 Sep, 2006 at 11:20PM +0300, juuso.alasuutari@tamperelainen.org spake thus: > > Something's bothering me about making beats in Linux (without a dime to spare on > > a hardware synth): The lack of high-quality hi-hat samples. > > Have you tried http://www.naturalstudio.co.uk/ns_kit7free.html ? Dmitry. From julien at c-lab.de Sun Sep 3 04:24:28 2006 From: julien at c-lab.de (Julien Claassen) Date: Sun Sep 3 04:25:47 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] A lot of progrock/artrock online In-Reply-To: <20060902192704.348bee2c@mistral.stie> References: <20060817155649.75142a88@mistral.stie> <20060902192704.348bee2c@mistral.stie> Message-ID: Hi Al! Thanks for the nice criticism. Sometimes even I would like a bit more crispy sounds, I'm trying and working on it. I myself use SuSE 8.1, heavily modified. I installed all the audio software I use from source-tarballs and I'm running my own kernel. It works wonderful for me. A lot better at least, than a lot of newer systems I know in my own environment. Funny isn't it? And in the field of sound I'm up to date. :-) It's really nice, having system since 2002 and it's still working without major problems. In fact even without minor ones. But did you try CCRMA? I heard they're good and should run out of the box. I also had occasion to listen to the Flower Kings live 2004 in Paderborn. Brilliant! Kindest regards Julien -------- Music was my first love and it will be my last (John Miles) ======== FIND MY WEB-PROJECT AT: ======== http://ltsb.sourceforge.net the Linux TextBased Studio guide ======= AND MY PERSONAL PAGES AT: ======= http://www.juliencoder.de From juuso.alasuutari at tamperelainen.org Sun Sep 3 04:51:00 2006 From: juuso.alasuutari at tamperelainen.org (juuso.alasuutari@tamperelainen.org) Date: Sun Sep 3 04:48:41 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Lashd won't start. In-Reply-To: <20060903035810.GM4042@localdomain> References: <20060830155422.2bd166a7@localhost> <20060902152336.3910f503@localhost> <44F9FB21.4010703@ichthyostega.de> <44F9FE21.7040009@sbcglobal.net> <20060903035810.GM4042@localdomain> Message-ID: <1157273460.44fa977402019@cs1.alpha12.l-secure.net> Quoting Forest Bond : > > Anyone seen this before? Happens when I try to start lashd. > > > > brian@grace ~ $ lashd > > No supported SIMD instruction sets detected > > Connected to JACK server with client name 'LASH_Server' > > Opened ALSA sequencer with client ID 129 > > conn_mgr_start: could not look up service name: Servname not supported > > for ai_socktype > > loader_run: server closed socket; exiting > > Segmentation fault > > This is usually what happens if you are missing the appropriate line in > /etc/services (lashd shouldn't crash when this happens, but does.) I'm the other one suffering from this bug, although I don't get that conn_mgr_start message before the segfault. Also on my box lashd stays up and quiet until I try to run any client. I have this in /etc/services: lash 14541/tcp # LASH client/server protocol That should be about right, no? Since this has something to do with sockets and ports (my knowledge of these is very limited) I tried shutting down the firewall, but that didn't help. Could there be some kernel feature I'm missing, in the networking section perhaps? Brian, what kind of kernel are you running? Have you customized it? Thanks, Juuso ---------------------------------------------------------------- This mail sent through L-secure: http://www.l-secure.net/ From loki.davison at gmail.com Sun Sep 3 06:20:57 2006 From: loki.davison at gmail.com (Loki Davison) Date: Sun Sep 3 06:21:12 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Crispy hi-hats In-Reply-To: <1157228441.44f9e799cafdc@cs1.alpha12.l-secure.net> References: <1157228441.44f9e799cafdc@cs1.alpha12.l-secure.net> Message-ID: On 9/3/06, juuso.alasuutari@tamperelainen.org wrote: > Something's bothering me about making beats in Linux (without a dime to > spare on > a hardware synth): The lack of high-quality hi-hat samples. > > I recently fell in love with a site called Freesound [0], but although I've > found great samples there I'm still missing those crisp, airy hats I hear > when > listening to "real" music. (You may not share my taste for psychedelic > trance, > but you will know what I mean if you listen to e.g. Infected Mushroom.) > > Of course much of the sound is achieved with EQ's and effects, but one must > still have a decent starting point. The only hi-hats I seem find sound muddy > and heavy (I don't mean the genre of music, I mean that the hat hits won't > "dance" in the air above the head, if you know what I mean). Usually they're > also ruined by static background noise. :( > > I'm considering trying to locate some FOAF who owns a wavetable synth with > digital I/O so I could sample clean hi-hats, but I would much rather have > them > home-made. Can anyone please point me to a free sample repository with > high-quality hats, or recommend a GPL'd drum synth? (I haven't tried Smack > yet, > and I'm keeping my hopes up high - I'm sure it can say "smack" very well, > and > I'm hoping the "tschik" will also please me. :)) > > Thanks, > Juuso > > [0] http://freesound.iua.upf.edu/ > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > This mail sent through L-secure: http://www.l-secure.net/ > > If you want lovely realistic hi hats smack might not cover everything you want. Though quite a few are okay for psy. Metallic percussion is fantastically hard to synth realistically. However some of the not realistic hi hats might suit pretty well for what you want. :) They are also all tunable and tweakable which is handy but mostly noise based. Loki From errandir_news at mph.eclipse.co.uk Sun Sep 3 08:04:23 2006 From: errandir_news at mph.eclipse.co.uk (Martin Habets) Date: Sun Sep 3 08:05:28 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Lashd won't start. In-Reply-To: <1157273460.44fa977402019@cs1.alpha12.l-secure.net> References: <20060830155422.2bd166a7@localhost> <20060902152336.3910f503@localhost> <44F9FB21.4010703@ichthyostega.de> <44F9FE21.7040009@sbcglobal.net> <20060903035810.GM4042@localdomain> <1157273460.44fa977402019@cs1.alpha12.l-secure.net> Message-ID: <20060903120423.GA21849@palantir8> On Sun, Sep 03, 2006 at 11:51:00AM +0300, juuso.alasuutari@tamperelainen.org wrote: > I have this in /etc/services: > lash 14541/tcp # LASH client/server protocol > That should be about right, no? If I'm not mistaken you'll need an entry for UDP too: lash 14541/udp # LASH client/server protocol -- Martin From dlphillips at woh.rr.com Sun Sep 3 09:01:09 2006 From: dlphillips at woh.rr.com (Dave Phillips) Date: Sun Sep 3 08:41:00 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] logomania redux Message-ID: <44FAD215.9030408@woh.rr.com> Greetings: I've been adding some logos to the top page at linux-sound.org, and I thought it might be time to make some remarks regarding them. Some are nice, some are very cool, and some are pretty awful. The logo for LilyPond really needs an update, and where is Ardour's bitchin' cool logo ? Some need titles (IMO), such as Aeolus, Common Music, LilyPond, ChucK, Dino, and Khagan. I'm not a graphic artist, and I'm not going to go through the process of overlaying titles. If the devs for those apps are happy with the logos, that's perfectly cool by me, but IMO it's better to have a title. Some other logos are in need of an update, e.g. PlanetCCRMA, LAU, and RTcmix. Is Thorsten our only graphic artist, or does anyone else here have good graphics skills ? I'm sure I'm missing logos for other apps. If you have an application listed on linux-sound.org, please contact me if you'd like to add a logo to the top page. Best, dp From t_w_ at freenet.de Sun Sep 3 09:04:47 2006 From: t_w_ at freenet.de (Thorsten Wilms) Date: Sun Sep 3 09:05:17 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] logomania redux In-Reply-To: <44FAD215.9030408@woh.rr.com> References: <44FAD215.9030408@woh.rr.com> Message-ID: <20060903130447.GA5421@charly.SWORD> On Sun, Sep 03, 2006 at 09:01:09AM -0400, Dave Phillips wrote: > > Some are nice, some are very cool, and some are pretty awful. The logo > for LilyPond really needs an update, and where is Ardour's bitchin' cool > logo ? You'll see it on sweatshirts, soon :) > Some need titles (IMO), such as Aeolus, Common Music, LilyPond, > ChucK, Dino, and Khagan. I'm not a graphic artist, and I'm not going to > go through the process of overlaying titles. If the devs for those apps > are happy with the logos, that's perfectly cool by me, but IMO it's > better to have a title. /me adds Khagan banner on todo. Proirity will increase, if Loki gets back to coding ;) > Some other logos are in need of an update, e.g. PlanetCCRMA, LAU, and > RTcmix. Is Thorsten our only graphic artist, or does anyone else here > have good graphics skills ? I'm going to redo the LAD/LAU one for lad.linuxaudio.org, anyway. The Gungirl banner freaks me out! That page could look much better with same height for all ... but yeah, I know it's unlikely to happen :) -- Thorsten Wilms From d_baron at 012.net.il Sun Sep 3 09:13:55 2006 From: d_baron at 012.net.il (David Baron) Date: Sun Sep 3 09:14:05 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Wine introduces ASIO support In-Reply-To: <20060902211555.8F3B72C0D768@music.columbia.edu> References: <20060902211555.8F3B72C0D768@music.columbia.edu> Message-ID: <200609031613.55983.d_baron@012.net.il> On Sunday 03 September 2006 00:15, linux-audio-user-request@music.columbia.edu wrote: > > Would love to test this thing! BTW, one app that almost runs on WINE is > > Tracktion (Many of its pop-dialogs simply never appear and must be > > dismissed with ALT-F4 to continue) It ASIO option in there and it detects > > devices from the windows/system directory. It can read its sample > > projects and attempt to play them. Ready to go? > > sounds about as buggy as the linux port of Tracktion..which i'd rather use. > does Jules release the source? afaik JUCE has been linux-native for a > while.. I never said Tracktion is ready to use under WINE. It is just available to check operation of ASIO sound cards. JUCE is linux-native, I believe opensource. A reason the UI is not fully functional is that it may be based on tk. So a linux port may be in order ... but this is paid software so how many linux-audio-er's want to fork up the dough? From paul at linuxaudiosystems.com Sun Sep 3 10:19:07 2006 From: paul at linuxaudiosystems.com (Paul Davis) Date: Sun Sep 3 10:20:37 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Wine introduces ASIO support In-Reply-To: <200609022217.41177.d_baron@012.net.il> References: <20060902062605.42E062BF1BA1@music.columbia.edu> <200609022217.41177.d_baron@012.net.il> Message-ID: <1157293147.28228.35.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Sat, 2006-09-02 at 22:17 +0300, David Baron wrote: > On Saturday 02 September 2006 09:26, > linux-audio-user-request@music.columbia.edu wrote: > > I've been just informed by Robert Reif of the Wine project that Wine now > > has a simple ASIO driver and that testers are needed. For more info please > > see: > > > > http://bugs.winehq.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2161 > > Wow, been waiting for this. (There is already VST support around compiled > using Winelib--standalone jack client jack-vst and support in several audio > programs) > > Anyway, why did the folks doing jack remove support and what will the problems > be for WINE? JACK's "ASIO" mode had *absolutely nothing* to do with ASIO except that it modelled certain behaviour of ASIO (mostly in terms of absolute enforcement of xrun detection, rather than leaving it till after clients finished executing). it was removed because it was found to be less than useful, and confused people. it has zero impact on what that patch for wine is doing. From paul at linuxaudiosystems.com Sun Sep 3 10:22:54 2006 From: paul at linuxaudiosystems.com (Paul Davis) Date: Sun Sep 3 10:24:07 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Wine introduces ASIO support In-Reply-To: <200609031613.55983.d_baron@012.net.il> References: <20060902211555.8F3B72C0D768@music.columbia.edu> <200609031613.55983.d_baron@012.net.il> Message-ID: <1157293374.28228.37.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Sun, 2006-09-03 at 16:13 +0300, David Baron wrote: > JUCE is linux-native, I believe opensource. > > A reason the UI is not fully functional is that it may be based on tk. JUCE is used to implement the UI of traktion, and JUCE has no connection with tk. From dlphillips at woh.rr.com Sun Sep 3 10:45:08 2006 From: dlphillips at woh.rr.com (Dave Phillips) Date: Sun Sep 3 10:25:17 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Wine introduces ASIO support In-Reply-To: <200609031613.55983.d_baron@012.net.il> References: <20060902211555.8F3B72C0D768@music.columbia.edu> <200609031613.55983.d_baron@012.net.il> Message-ID: <44FAEA74.5010201@woh.rr.com> David Baron wrote: >I never said Tracktion is ready to use under WINE. It is just available to >check operation of ASIO sound cards. > > Every now and then I check various Windows music apps against the latest release of WINE. I did try running Tracktion, the GUI appeared but it was non-functional. >JUCE is linux-native, I believe opensource. > >A reason the UI is not fully functional is that it may be based on tk. > > Not much of a reason. Tcl/Tk is cross-platform, it shouldn't be an awful job to port Tracktion's GUI (if it is based on Tk). >So a linux port may be in order ... but this is paid software so how many >linux-audio-er's want to fork up the dough? > Some, maybe not so many, but I doubt we're the target market. Newcomers might be interested, along with Win/Mac users who would try using another OS if [their favorite software titles here] ran on a Linux system. I'd probably try it. Best, dp From hitmuri at no-log.org Sun Sep 3 11:11:37 2006 From: hitmuri at no-log.org (Hitmuri) Date: Sun Sep 3 11:07:47 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] logomania redux In-Reply-To: <44FAD215.9030408@woh.rr.com> References: <44FAD215.9030408@woh.rr.com> Message-ID: <44FAF0A9.5020202@no-log.org> Dave Phillips a ?crit : > Greetings: > > I've been adding some logos to the top page at linux-sound.org, and I > thought it might be time to make some remarks regarding them. > > Some are nice, some are very cool, and some are pretty awful. The logo > for LilyPond really needs an update, and where is Ardour's bitchin' > cool logo ? Some need titles (IMO), such as Aeolus, Common Music, > LilyPond, ChucK, Dino, and Khagan. I'm not a graphic artist, and I'm > not going to go through the process of overlaying titles. If the devs > for those apps are happy with the logos, that's perfectly cool by me, > but IMO it's better to have a title. > > Some other logos are in need of an update, e.g. PlanetCCRMA, LAU, and > RTcmix. Is Thorsten our only graphic artist, or does anyone else here > have good graphics skills ? > > I'm sure I'm missing logos for other apps. If you have an application > listed on linux-sound.org, please contact me if you'd like to add a > logo to the top page. > > Best, > > dp > > I made a PlanetCCRMA logo for my desktop (with the colors of the gtk theme i use), the image is here : http://www.hitmuri.com/Images/logo_planet_ccrma.png . Tell me what you think of it, i'd be happy to share it. Flo From dlphillips at woh.rr.com Sun Sep 3 11:51:41 2006 From: dlphillips at woh.rr.com (Dave Phillips) Date: Sun Sep 3 11:31:27 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] logomania redux In-Reply-To: <44FAF0A9.5020202@no-log.org> References: <44FAD215.9030408@woh.rr.com> <44FAF0A9.5020202@no-log.org> Message-ID: <44FAFA0D.9070307@woh.rr.com> Hitmuri wrote: > I made a PlanetCCRMA logo for my desktop (with the colors of the gtk > theme i use), the image is here : > http://www.hitmuri.com/Images/logo_planet_ccrma.png . > Tell me what you think of it, i'd be happy to share it. That's very nice. If Fernando approves I'll use it. Best, dp From hitmuri at no-log.org Sun Sep 3 11:41:02 2006 From: hitmuri at no-log.org (Hitmuri) Date: Sun Sep 3 11:37:13 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] logomania redux In-Reply-To: <44FAFA0D.9070307@woh.rr.com> References: <44FAD215.9030408@woh.rr.com> <44FAF0A9.5020202@no-log.org> <44FAFA0D.9070307@woh.rr.com> Message-ID: <44FAF78E.3030203@no-log.org> Dave Phillips a ?crit : > Hitmuri wrote: > >> I made a PlanetCCRMA logo for my desktop (with the colors of the gtk >> theme i use), the image is here : >> http://www.hitmuri.com/Images/logo_planet_ccrma.png . >> Tell me what you think of it, i'd be happy to share it. > > That's very nice. If Fernando approves I'll use it. > > Best, > > dp > > Great !! I just saw that there is an orange line on the top of it, i'll remove it. Flo From d_baron at 012.net.il Sun Sep 3 11:37:22 2006 From: d_baron at 012.net.il (David Baron) Date: Sun Sep 3 11:38:01 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Wine introduces ASIO support In-Reply-To: <20060903150753.3E51B2C2E230@music.columbia.edu> References: <20060903150753.3E51B2C2E230@music.columbia.edu> Message-ID: <200609031837.22508.d_baron@012.net.il> On Sunday 03 September 2006 18:07, linux-audio-user-request@music.columbia.edu wrote: > > JUCE is linux-native, I believe opensource. > > > > A reason the UI is not fully functional is that it may be based on tk. > > JUCE is used to implement the UI of traktion, and JUCE has no connection > with tk. I was under the impression that JUCE was the audio part. Maybe I am in error. There is a tkresources.dll in the Tracktion directory. From paul at linuxaudiosystems.com Sun Sep 3 11:59:19 2006 From: paul at linuxaudiosystems.com (Paul Davis) Date: Sun Sep 3 12:00:35 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Wine introduces ASIO support In-Reply-To: <200609031837.22508.d_baron@012.net.il> References: <20060903150753.3E51B2C2E230@music.columbia.edu> <200609031837.22508.d_baron@012.net.il> Message-ID: <1157299160.15568.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Sun, 2006-09-03 at 18:37 +0300, David Baron wrote: > On Sunday 03 September 2006 18:07, linux-audio-user-request@music.columbia.edu > wrote: > > > JUCE is linux-native, I believe opensource. > > > > > > A reason the UI is not fully functional is that it may be based on tk. > > > > JUCE is used to implement the UI of traktion, and JUCE has no connection > > with tk. > > I was under the impression that JUCE was the audio part. Maybe I am in error. > There is a tkresources.dll in the Tracktion directory. >From the website: ------------------------------------ JUCE (Jules' Utility Class Extensions) is an all-encompassing C++ class library for developing cross-platform applications. It's particularly good for creating highly-specialised user interfaces and for handling graphics and sound. [ ... ] There's an awful lot of content in the 150,000 lines of code that make up Juce. Here's an attempt at a list of the main things it can do... [ ... ] A large basic set of components including all the usual suspects: buttons, combo boxes, text editors, listboxes, treeviews, tables, viewports, sliders, tabbed boxes, etc. ---------------------------------------- JUCE is a very powerful toolkit. if it had existed (publically) when i started work on ardour, i would have used it. a bit sad. as for "tkresources.dll", you don't suppose that could stand for something like "TraKtion resources", do you ? :) --p From lanas at securenet.net Sun Sep 3 12:44:49 2006 From: lanas at securenet.net (lanas) Date: Sun Sep 3 12:43:12 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Favorite way to browse the list Message-ID: <20060903124449.07660a33@mistral.stie> Folks, E-mail at home can be retrieved by two systems, so it happens that sometimes I do not read replies (or miss them for some time) because they are on the other machine that I don't use much. So, what would be the nicest http way to browse this mailing list messages (with thread-following option) out there on the internet ? Thanks, Al From dplist at free.fr Sun Sep 3 13:29:19 2006 From: dplist at free.fr (David) Date: Sun Sep 3 13:29:27 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Favorite way to browse the list In-Reply-To: <20060903124449.07660a33@mistral.stie> References: <20060903124449.07660a33@mistral.stie> Message-ID: <20060903192919.1035b0da.dplist@free.fr> On Sun, 3 Sep 2006 12:44:49 -0400 lanas wrote: > Folks, > > E-mail at home can be retrieved by two systems, so it happens that > sometimes I do not read replies (or miss them for some time) because > they are on the other machine that I don't use much. > > So, what would be the nicest http way to browse this mailing list > messages (with thread-following option) out there on the internet ? I think Gmane can help you : http://news.gmane.org/gmane.linux.audio.users > Thanks, > Al HTH -- David From drobilla at connect.carleton.ca Sun Sep 3 13:47:57 2006 From: drobilla at connect.carleton.ca (Dave Robillard) Date: Sun Sep 3 13:48:39 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Lashd won't start. In-Reply-To: <1157273460.44fa977402019@cs1.alpha12.l-secure.net> References: <20060830155422.2bd166a7@localhost> <20060902152336.3910f503@localhost> <44F9FB21.4010703@ichthyostega.de> <44F9FE21.7040009@sbcglobal.net> <20060903035810.GM4042@localdomain> <1157273460.44fa977402019@cs1.alpha12.l-secure.net> Message-ID: <1157305677.31814.4.camel@DaveLap> On Sun, 2006-09-03 at 11:51 +0300, juuso.alasuutari@tamperelainen.org wrote: > Quoting Forest Bond : > > > > Anyone seen this before? Happens when I try to start lashd. > > > > > > brian@grace ~ $ lashd > > > No supported SIMD instruction sets detected > > > Connected to JACK server with client name 'LASH_Server' > > > Opened ALSA sequencer with client ID 129 > > > conn_mgr_start: could not look up service name: Servname not supported > > > for ai_socktype > > > loader_run: server closed socket; exiting > > > Segmentation fault > > > > This is usually what happens if you are missing the appropriate line in > > /etc/services (lashd shouldn't crash when this happens, but does.) > > I'm the other one suffering from this bug, although I don't get that > conn_mgr_start message before the segfault. Also on my box lashd stays up and > quiet until I try to run any client. > > I have this in /etc/services: > lash 14541/tcp # LASH client/server protocol > That should be about right, no? Actually I think these are two different bugs. As far as the /etc/services thing, I think I'm going to drop that entry, join the 21st century and use ZeroConf (via Avahi) to solve this problem (which is exactly the problem zeroconf was meant to solve) - bonus points for working over a network as well, which /etc/services doesn't. If anyone has any serious objections to Lash depending on Avahi, speak now or forever hold your peace... -DR- From nando at ccrma.Stanford.EDU Sun Sep 3 14:39:51 2006 From: nando at ccrma.Stanford.EDU (Fernando Lopez-Lezcano) Date: Sun Sep 3 14:40:00 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] logomania redux In-Reply-To: <44FAFA0D.9070307@woh.rr.com> References: <44FAD215.9030408@woh.rr.com> <44FAF0A9.5020202@no-log.org> <44FAFA0D.9070307@woh.rr.com> Message-ID: <1157308791.30296.4.camel@cmn3.stanford.edu> On Sun, 2006-09-03 at 11:51 -0400, Dave Phillips wrote: > Hitmuri wrote: > > > I made a PlanetCCRMA logo for my desktop (with the colors of the gtk > > theme i use), the image is here : > > http://www.hitmuri.com/Images/logo_planet_ccrma.png . > > Tell me what you think of it, i'd be happy to share it. > > That's very nice. If Fernando approves I'll use it. Very nice but I don't think we could use the fedora part, trademarks, etc, etc... I do have newer (boring :-) versions of the Planet CCRMA "logo", using an earth view plus standard CCRMA logo, etc, etc. I'll find time to get it in a usable state this week. -- Fernando From ico.bukvic at gmail.com Sun Sep 3 14:41:21 2006 From: ico.bukvic at gmail.com (Ivica Ico Bukvic) Date: Sun Sep 3 14:41:33 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] logomania redux In-Reply-To: <44FAD215.9030408@woh.rr.com> Message-ID: <44fb21cd.65a7c62f.239e.7571@mx.gmail.com> > Some are nice, some are very cool, and some are pretty awful. The logo > for LilyPond really needs an update, and where is Ardour's bitchin' cool > logo ? Some need titles (IMO), such as Aeolus, Common Music, LilyPond, > ChucK, Dino, and Khagan. I'm not a graphic artist, and I'm not going to > go through the process of overlaying titles. If the devs for those apps > are happy with the logos, that's perfectly cool by me, but IMO it's > better to have a title. I think it would be nice if we got someone "commissioned" to make consistent set of icons (and subsequently logos) for most prominent audio apps (and ultimately all which are in a need of this). Naturally, funds are a touchy subject in this case, but if someone with drawing skills is interested in this I think it would be to a great benefit of the entire community. Best wishes, Ico From zettberlin at linuxuse.de Sun Sep 3 14:59:41 2006 From: zettberlin at linuxuse.de (Hartmut Noack) Date: Sun Sep 3 14:59:45 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] New music online In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <44FB261D.3010902@linuxuse.de> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hi Julien, Julien Claassen schrieb: > Hi all! > I just uploaded the complete rewrite of my website, with a few additional > tracks. You can find the downloadpage at: > http://www.juliencoder.de/en/download.html > Or for the German guys at: > http://www.juliencoder.de/de/download.html > (beware German site is still incomplete!) I recently search the web for pages taht can be a reference for my view on the topic "what does a really great website looks like?". Your page is a good example for presenting complex content in a layout, that makes it accessable. Yet i would recommend to change the coulour for the links to a more darker greenish (HEX could be something like #176257) and I recommend to raise the lineheight (not the fontsize) for the lists a bit. > The software I used is mainly ecasound, loads of ladspa-plugins, fluidsynth > and ZynAddSubFX. Occasionally a bit more... Thanks to all the great lads, who > made this possible! > Btw. Feedback is highly welcome! (I'm practically longing for you to beat me > up for my bad mastering or something... :0)) i listened to the monadenthema, time passing and sinner. monadenthema is cool but i would like it better if it would be somewhat more over the top (some even faster guitar-stuff etc). time is too conventional for my taste. sinner: great material but i really encourage you to present this a little more extreme, besides better j-rock stuff (wich lives from breathtaking virtuosity) the track reminds my of current 93 a bit. Yet of a song of current93 that is *not* sung by David Tibet - so as regarding monadenthema i say: this is very potent and interesting material and anyone can hear a lot of talent and skill in the track but to my liking it needs some more hmmm... force (loud parts louder, slow parts slower, low parts lower, fast parts faster etc etc etc.) carry on!! z http://linuxuse.de/hzn/manifest.html -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFE+yYd1Aecwva1SWMRAsvYAJwKNks3PRNjUmJZ9NJaURorQOGlfgCdGUg8 XoGpHJhlDDDjyuIPg3EKLi0= =m2Xk -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From lanas at securenet.net Sun Sep 3 16:02:26 2006 From: lanas at securenet.net (lanas) Date: Sun Sep 3 16:00:16 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Audacity crackles, KRecord is just fine (SuSE 10.0 x86_64) Message-ID: <20060903160226.32181c09@mistral.stie> Folks, While getting Fedora Core 5 to eventually try CCRMA, I'm trying to record using a microphone and Audacity. Card is M-Audio 1010LT, mic is M-Audio Pulsar that goes through a phantom power box and then to one of the mic inputs of the card. When I record using Audacity, playing a recorder flute, the sound is terrible, full of crackling sounds. I read some issues about that on the Audacity web site, but all points to editing the preferences and none of the Audacity menus I have (SuSE 10.0) shows any preferences ! So after an hour or so of trying, I gave up and used anopther recording software bundled with SuSE: KRecord. I guess this is a simple as it gets. Works fine. The sound is without any crackle and distortion. Anyone knows why Audacity can be so terrible at recording, and how to use it so it gives nice sounds ? Thanks ! Al From julien at c-lab.de Sun Sep 3 16:10:39 2006 From: julien at c-lab.de (Julien Claassen) Date: Sun Sep 3 16:11:06 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] New music online In-Reply-To: <44FB261D.3010902@linuxuse.de> References: <44FB261D.3010902@linuxuse.de> Message-ID: Hello Hartmut! Thanks for the complement regarding my layout. I'll definitely try a change of colour and I have to look up the line-height thing. Another user hinted at me, that this should need changing. As to my music, thanks again in general. Although I thought, that the moadenthema was a rather siimple piece. I always thought, that my "great successes" :-) were "the songbird", "Free at last" and "the violence within". The last I think you'd like more, because it is faster and much more driving. Kindest regards Julien -------- Music was my first love and it will be my last (John Miles) ======== FIND MY WEB-PROJECT AT: ======== http://ltsb.sourceforge.net the Linux TextBased Studio guide ======= AND MY PERSONAL PAGES AT: ======= http://www.juliencoder.de From lanas at securenet.net Sun Sep 3 18:43:34 2006 From: lanas at securenet.net (lanas) Date: Sun Sep 3 18:41:54 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Plugging an electric instrument Message-ID: <20060903184334.08602cb1@mistral.stie> Folks, I just got an accoutic bass guitar that also got a preamp and a 1/4 jack. Obviously a 1/4 cable won't do as input for the M-Audio 1010LT. But is it only a matter of adapting the physical connector or should the output from the guitar's preamp be routed in some box (?) before it reaches the M-Audio card input ? Al From daneasley at gmail.com Sun Sep 3 18:51:40 2006 From: daneasley at gmail.com (Dan Easley) Date: Sun Sep 3 18:51:49 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Plugging an electric instrument In-Reply-To: <20060903184334.08602cb1@mistral.stie> References: <20060903184334.08602cb1@mistral.stie> Message-ID: Here's some basic info on signal levels: http://www.transom.org/tools/basics/200207.analogbasics.html On 9/3/06, lanas wrote: > Folks, > > I just got an accoutic bass guitar that also got a preamp and a 1/4 > jack. Obviously a 1/4 cable won't do as input for the M-Audio 1010LT. > But is it only a matter of adapting the physical connector or should > the output from the guitar's preamp be routed in some box (?) before > it reaches the M-Audio card input ? > > Al > -- daneasley@gmail.com dan@towndowner.com dan@burntpossum.com http://towndowner.com http://burntpossum.com From zettberlin at linuxuse.de Sun Sep 3 18:59:50 2006 From: zettberlin at linuxuse.de (Hartmut Noack) Date: Sun Sep 3 18:59:53 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Plugging an electric instrument In-Reply-To: <20060903184334.08602cb1@mistral.stie> References: <20060903184334.08602cb1@mistral.stie> Message-ID: <44FB5E66.3090201@linuxuse.de> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 lanas schrieb: > Folks, > > I just got an accoutic bass guitar that also got a preamp and a 1/4 > jack. Obviously a 1/4 cable won't do as input for the M-Audio 1010LT. > But is it only a matter of adapting the physical connector or should > the output from the guitar's preamp be routed in some box (?) before > it reaches the M-Audio card input ? > > Al > Maybe you could plug the output of the preamp via some Adapter to the 1010LT, if the preamp has got an Headphone-out it could work also but I really recommend to buy a small mixer. I?ve gut a Phonic M1002, costs about 100 EUR, does all the work properly and you can plug CD-Players, Microphones, drumboxes - you name it also... -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFE+15l1Aecwva1SWMRAiajAJ9WYyckUXYUUXd1envW1Sg62fw4GwCfaeYi acJqMItu2Jo8yeTgHaPMq2E= =mg0I -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From danny.ayers at gmail.com Sun Sep 3 19:03:52 2006 From: danny.ayers at gmail.com (Danny Ayers) Date: Sun Sep 3 19:03:59 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Plugging an electric instrument In-Reply-To: <20060903184334.08602cb1@mistral.stie> References: <20060903184334.08602cb1@mistral.stie> Message-ID: <1f2ed5cd0609031603s56343b9h670a37f8ee3bc1dc@mail.gmail.com> (New here, hi all!) On 9/4/06, lanas wrote: > Folks, > > I just got an accoutic bass guitar that also got a preamp and a 1/4 > jack. Obviously a 1/4 cable won't do as input for the M-Audio 1010LT. > But is it only a matter of adapting the physical connector or should > the output from the guitar's preamp be routed in some box (?) before > it reaches the M-Audio card input ? I don't know the gadget, and I'm only going on the top level docs on their site. It definitely has a *powered* pre-amp? That should be ok into one of the 8 input lines direct. If you're taking a signal from a pickup on the bass, then if one of the mic/line-ins is free then it should be fine making a cable jack-XLR, with one side of the XLR grounded - i.e., unbalanced (input stages shouldn't have a problem with this). Cheers, Danny. -- http://dannyayers.com From danny.ayers at gmail.com Sun Sep 3 19:07:01 2006 From: danny.ayers at gmail.com (Danny Ayers) Date: Sun Sep 3 19:07:08 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Plugging an electric instrument In-Reply-To: <1f2ed5cd0609031603s56343b9h670a37f8ee3bc1dc@mail.gmail.com> References: <20060903184334.08602cb1@mistral.stie> <1f2ed5cd0609031603s56343b9h670a37f8ee3bc1dc@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1f2ed5cd0609031607o4603e5a9q237b77d8286e90cf@mail.gmail.com> On 9/4/06, Danny Ayers wrote: Oops. > If you're taking a signal from a pickup on the bass *without additional amplification* , then if one of > the mic/line-ins is free then it should be fine making a cable > jack-XLR, with one side of the XLR grounded - i.e., unbalanced (input > stages shouldn't have a problem with this). -- http://dannyayers.com From lanas at securenet.net Sun Sep 3 19:22:16 2006 From: lanas at securenet.net (lanas) Date: Sun Sep 3 19:20:39 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Plugging an electric instrument In-Reply-To: <44FB5E66.3090201@linuxuse.de> References: <20060903184334.08602cb1@mistral.stie> <44FB5E66.3090201@linuxuse.de> Message-ID: <20060903192216.297edf31@mistral.stie> On Mon, 04 Sep 2006 00:59:50 +0200 Hartmut Noack ?crivait: > Maybe you could plug the output of the preamp via some Adapter to the > 1010LT, if the preamp has got an Headphone-out it could work also but > I really recommend to buy a small mixer. One point that was earlier made here when I was asking lots of questions (not that I've quit doing that...) is that there should be as few as possible of components in the path so that the sound source goes into digital as soon as possible. The preamp of the guitar has no headphone jack. Only a 1/4 standard jack for instruments. The preamp of the guitar is battery-powered. Is routing the signal through a mixer the only way to go ? Al From lanas at securenet.net Sun Sep 3 19:33:08 2006 From: lanas at securenet.net (lanas) Date: Sun Sep 3 19:31:22 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Plugging an electric instrument In-Reply-To: <1f2ed5cd0609031603s56343b9h670a37f8ee3bc1dc@mail.gmail.com> References: <20060903184334.08602cb1@mistral.stie> <1f2ed5cd0609031603s56343b9h670a37f8ee3bc1dc@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20060903193308.69556d97@mistral.stie> On Mon, 4 Sep 2006 01:03:52 +0200 "Danny Ayers" ?crivait: > It definitely has a *powered* pre-amp? That should be ok into one of > the 8 input lines direct. Yes it does. The accoustic bass guitar has a 9-volt battery for that purpose. There are bass/mid/treble/volume controls on the guitar itself. So, according to what you're saying I could either make a 1/4 to RCA adapter cable or get one from a store and plug the guitar output directly into one of the M-Audio 1010LT RCA inputs. Al From jordan at jdnash.org Sun Sep 3 19:32:51 2006 From: jordan at jdnash.org (Jordan) Date: Sun Sep 3 19:32:54 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Plugging an electric instrument In-Reply-To: <20060903192216.297edf31@mistral.stie> References: <20060903184334.08602cb1@mistral.stie> <44FB5E66.3090201@linuxuse.de> <20060903192216.297edf31@mistral.stie> Message-ID: <44FB6623.8040100@jdnash.org> Here, we usually plug keyboards and guitars into a Direct Box. Now, this is for a live environment, and doesn't have to do with digital recording, but it converts the 1/4 to an XLR. - Jordan lanas wrote: > On Mon, 04 Sep 2006 00:59:50 +0200 > Hartmut Noack ?crivait: > > >> Maybe you could plug the output of the preamp via some Adapter to the >> 1010LT, if the preamp has got an Headphone-out it could work also but >> I really recommend to buy a small mixer. >> > > One point that was earlier made here when I was asking lots of > questions (not that I've quit doing that...) is that there should be as > few as possible of components in the path so that the sound source goes > into digital as soon as possible. The preamp of the guitar has no > headphone jack. Only a 1/4 standard jack for instruments. The preamp > of the guitar is battery-powered. Is routing the signal through a > mixer the only way to go ? > > Al > > > > From redfox at 99b.org Sun Sep 3 19:59:05 2006 From: redfox at 99b.org (Chris Abbott) Date: Sun Sep 3 19:59:20 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] M-Audio omnistudio USb jackd issues Message-ID: <44FB6C49.5090409@99b.org> I'm not sure what jack's problem is, but it returns this no matter what I use on my omnistudio. ~$ jackd -dalsa -dhw:1 -r48000 -p1024 -n2 -i4 -o2 jackd 0.101.1 Copyright 2001-2005 Paul Davis and others. jackd comes with ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY This is free software, and you are welcome to redistribute it under certain conditions; see the file COPYING for details JACK compiled with System V SHM support. loading driver .. apparent rate = 48000 creating alsa driver ... hw:1|hw:1|1024|2|48000|4|4|nomon|swmeter|-|32bit control device hw:1 configuring for 48000Hz, period = 1024 frames, buffer = 2 periods Note: audio device hw:1 doesn't support a 32bit sample format so JACK will try a 24bit format instead Note: audio device hw:1 doesn't support a 24bit sample format so JACK will try a 16bit format instead Sorry. The audio interface "hw:1" doesn't support any of the hardware sample formats that JACK's alsa-driver can use. ALSA: cannot configure capture channel cannot load driver module alsa no message buffer overruns I know the device works. because I can get beep and other media players to talk to hw:1,0 and hw:1,1. Both of those are the same device. For some reason Alsa splits it into two 2x2 units, instead of a single 4x4 or 4x2. And yes it does support 24-bit formats, but not 32-bit. Is this something in the alsa-jack driver? I'm running Ubuntu 6.06 LTS for ppc. From loki.davison at gmail.com Sun Sep 3 21:46:04 2006 From: loki.davison at gmail.com (Loki Davison) Date: Sun Sep 3 21:46:12 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Lashd won't start. In-Reply-To: <1157305677.31814.4.camel@DaveLap> References: <20060830155422.2bd166a7@localhost> <20060902152336.3910f503@localhost> <44F9FB21.4010703@ichthyostega.de> <44F9FE21.7040009@sbcglobal.net> <20060903035810.GM4042@localdomain> <1157273460.44fa977402019@cs1.alpha12.l-secure.net> <1157305677.31814.4.camel@DaveLap> Message-ID: On 9/4/06, Dave Robillard wrote: > On Sun, 2006-09-03 at 11:51 +0300, juuso.alasuutari@tamperelainen.org > wrote: > > Quoting Forest Bond : > > > > > > Anyone seen this before? Happens when I try to start lashd. > > > > > > > > brian@grace ~ $ lashd > > > > No supported SIMD instruction sets detected > > > > Connected to JACK server with client name 'LASH_Server' > > > > Opened ALSA sequencer with client ID 129 > > > > conn_mgr_start: could not look up service name: Servname not supported > > > > for ai_socktype > > > > loader_run: server closed socket; exiting > > > > Segmentation fault > > > > > > This is usually what happens if you are missing the appropriate line in > > > /etc/services (lashd shouldn't crash when this happens, but does.) > > > > I'm the other one suffering from this bug, although I don't get that > > conn_mgr_start message before the segfault. Also on my box lashd stays up > and > > quiet until I try to run any client. > > > > I have this in /etc/services: > > lash 14541/tcp # LASH client/server protocol > > That should be about right, no? > > Actually I think these are two different bugs. > > As far as the /etc/services thing, I think I'm going to drop that entry, > join the 21st century and use ZeroConf (via Avahi) to solve this problem > (which is exactly the problem zeroconf was meant to solve) - bonus > points for working over a network as well, which /etc/services doesn't. > > If anyone has any serious objections to Lash depending on Avahi, speak > now or forever hold your peace... > > -DR- avahi... zeroconf... sounds useful, maybe even for something else, like osc service discovery with liboscqs? :) More on topic, no objections from me. All modern systems come with it anyway. Loki From pshirkey at boosthardware.com Sun Sep 3 22:55:48 2006 From: pshirkey at boosthardware.com (Patrick Shirkey) Date: Sun Sep 3 22:56:31 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] M-Audio omnistudio USb jackd issues In-Reply-To: <44FB6C49.5090409@99b.org> References: <44FB6C49.5090409@99b.org> Message-ID: <44FB95B4.9020807@boosthardware.com> Chris Abbott wrote: > I'm not sure what jack's problem is, but it returns this no matter what > I use on my omnistudio. > > ~$ jackd -dalsa -dhw:1 -r48000 -p1024 -n2 -i4 -o2 try this: jackd -dalsa -dhw:1 -r48000 -p1024 -n2 -i4 -o2 -P Your device may have different sample rate capabilities for playback and capture and jackd may not be able to figure that out. Cheers. -- Patrick Shirkey - Boost Hardware Ltd. Http://www.boosthardware.com Http://lau.linuxaudio.org - The Linux Audio Users guide ======================================== "Anything your mind can see you can manifest physically, then it will become reality" - Macka B From job17and9 at sbcglobal.net Sun Sep 3 23:09:14 2006 From: job17and9 at sbcglobal.net (Brian Dunn) Date: Sun Sep 3 23:10:24 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Lashd won't start. In-Reply-To: <20060903035810.GM4042@localdomain> References: <20060830155422.2bd166a7@localhost> <20060902152336.3910f503@localhost> <44F9FB21.4010703@ichthyostega.de> <44F9FE21.7040009@sbcglobal.net> <20060903035810.GM4042@localdomain> Message-ID: <44FB98DA.8060707@sbcglobal.net> Forest Bond wrote: >> Anyone seen this before? Happens when I try to start lashd. >> >> brian@grace ~ $ lashd >> No supported SIMD instruction sets detected >> Connected to JACK server with client name 'LASH_Server' >> Opened ALSA sequencer with client ID 129 >> conn_mgr_start: could not look up service name: Servname not supported >> for ai_socktype >> loader_run: server closed socket; exiting >> Segmentation fault >> > > This is usually what happens if you are missing the appropriate line in > /etc/services (lashd shouldn't crash when this happens, but does.) > > -Forest > You where right, Forest. Adding lash 14541/tcp # LASH client/server protocol to /etc/services got lashd running. I wasn't able to open lash_panel at first, due to some message about not being able to find localhost. so then i added a local host definition to /etc/hosts 127.0.0.1 localhost and now I have a working lash setup. Thanks! something else is now quite troubling, though... it seems that all multimedia applications are now incapable of seeing the SIMD features of this PIII. lashd, lash_panel, zynaddsubfx, and even mplayer all say No supported SIMD instruction sets detected I'm running gentoo and i've got all the relevant use flags turned on, sse, mmx... any clues? how can this be broken system wide? From redfox at 99b.org Sun Sep 3 23:26:41 2006 From: redfox at 99b.org (Chris Abbott) Date: Sun Sep 3 23:26:59 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] M-Audio omnistudio USb jackd issues In-Reply-To: <44FB95B4.9020807@boosthardware.com> References: <44FB6C49.5090409@99b.org> <44FB95B4.9020807@boosthardware.com> Message-ID: <44FB9CF1.7070100@99b.org> Tried it, but no luck. Thanks. I think I might toy around with the alsa-jack driver. It may be jack doesn't like how the sample formats are done on the omnistudio. Even though I have alsa playing through it fine still. Patrick Shirkey wrote: > Chris Abbott wrote: >> I'm not sure what jack's problem is, but it returns this no matter >> what I use on my omnistudio. >> >> ~$ jackd -dalsa -dhw:1 -r48000 -p1024 -n2 -i4 -o2 > > try this: jackd -dalsa -dhw:1 -r48000 -p1024 -n2 -i4 -o2 -P > > Your device may have different sample rate capabilities for playback > and capture and jackd may not be able to figure that out. > > > Cheers. > > From pshirkey at boosthardware.com Sun Sep 3 23:39:56 2006 From: pshirkey at boosthardware.com (Patrick Shirkey) Date: Sun Sep 3 23:40:41 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] M-Audio omnistudio USb jackd issues In-Reply-To: <44FB9CF1.7070100@99b.org> References: <44FB6C49.5090409@99b.org> <44FB95B4.9020807@boosthardware.com> <44FB9CF1.7070100@99b.org> Message-ID: <44FBA00C.6040003@boosthardware.com> You can see which sample rates are supported by running: lsusb -v for more info : lsusb --help Cheers. Chris Abbott wrote: > Tried it, but no luck. Thanks. I think I might toy around with the > alsa-jack driver. It may be jack doesn't like how the sample formats are > done on the omnistudio. Even though I have alsa playing through it fine > still. > > Patrick Shirkey wrote: >> Chris Abbott wrote: >>> I'm not sure what jack's problem is, but it returns this no matter >>> what I use on my omnistudio. >>> >>> ~$ jackd -dalsa -dhw:1 -r48000 -p1024 -n2 -i4 -o2 >> >> try this: jackd -dalsa -dhw:1 -r48000 -p1024 -n2 -i4 -o2 -P >> >> Your device may have different sample rate capabilities for playback >> and capture and jackd may not be able to figure that out. >> >> >> Cheers. >> >> > > -- Patrick Shirkey - Boost Hardware Ltd. Http://www.boosthardware.com Http://lau.linuxaudio.org - The Linux Audio Users guide ======================================== "Anything your mind can see you can manifest physically, then it will become reality" - Macka B From danny.ayers at gmail.com Mon Sep 4 02:22:49 2006 From: danny.ayers at gmail.com (Danny Ayers) Date: Mon Sep 4 02:22:56 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Plugging an electric instrument In-Reply-To: <44FB6623.8040100@jdnash.org> References: <20060903184334.08602cb1@mistral.stie> <44FB5E66.3090201@linuxuse.de> <20060903192216.297edf31@mistral.stie> <44FB6623.8040100@jdnash.org> Message-ID: <1f2ed5cd0609032322l317ca126g593ead5b4fbc346e@mail.gmail.com> On 9/4/06, Jordan wrote: > Here, we usually plug keyboards and guitars into a Direct Box. > > Now, this is for a live environment, and doesn't have to do with digital > recording, but it converts the 1/4 to an XLR. The one potential drawback in this case is what Al put as "there should be as few as possible of components in the path so that the sound source goes into digital as soon as possible". It sounds like the XLR inputs on the 1010LT have preamplification, so you might end up with: bass pickup -> preamp (1) -> DI box (2) -> 1010LT mic input (3) i.e three preamps chained. The DI box will change the unbalanced line from the instrument into a balanced line which is regarded as desirable, but I'm not sure how much difference it will make in practice here. But if you find the output of the bass's preamp isn't very high, you might have to go with something like this. Cheers, Danny. -- http://dannyayers.com From zettberlin at linuxuse.de Mon Sep 4 04:19:13 2006 From: zettberlin at linuxuse.de (Hartmut Noack) Date: Mon Sep 4 04:19:19 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Plugging an electric instrument In-Reply-To: <20060903192216.297edf31@mistral.stie> References: <20060903184334.08602cb1@mistral.stie> <44FB5E66.3090201@linuxuse.de> <20060903192216.297edf31@mistral.stie> Message-ID: <44FBE181.6000405@linuxuse.de> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 lanas schrieb: > On Mon, 04 Sep 2006 00:59:50 +0200 > Hartmut Noack ?crivait: >> I really recommend to buy a small mixer. > > One point that was earlier made here when I was asking lots of > questions (not that I've quit doing that...) is that there should be as > few as possible of components in the path so that the sound source goes > into digital as soon as possible. This applies for microphone-preamps and recordingpreamps for Instruments (that are made to yield a hifi-signal), yet the average guitar-preamp is designed to be plugged into a poweramp, that propagates the signal via a speaker to the audience. In my experience the signal of such a guitar-preamp is not very useable if it arrives the soundcard completely "unspoiled" (I used to record guits with a H&K preamp some years ago and had to buy a cheap mixer with a graphical EQ to get a signal that had the qualities i would expect from the same guitar plugged into a real amp...). But besides all that: TRY! ;-) the best sound, you can get is the sound you like best. Or as Frank Zappa said to Queens Brain May: "If you are on stage, it is your show: you decide, what?s wrong or right." -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFE++GB1Aecwva1SWMRAuweAJ9W3I2aJlqMvraUIdpho8d7BnGR6wCeIbTt 1FZlw1HtUq+i4vslr578xMc= =uWgk -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From danny.ayers at gmail.com Mon Sep 4 04:39:54 2006 From: danny.ayers at gmail.com (Danny Ayers) Date: Mon Sep 4 04:40:11 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Plugging an electric instrument In-Reply-To: <44FBE181.6000405@linuxuse.de> References: <20060903184334.08602cb1@mistral.stie> <44FB5E66.3090201@linuxuse.de> <20060903192216.297edf31@mistral.stie> <44FBE181.6000405@linuxuse.de> Message-ID: <1f2ed5cd0609040139p7cff329axd3736d8b0e3aa834@mail.gmail.com> On 9/4/06, Hartmut Noack wrote: In my experience the signal of such a > guitar-preamp is not very useable if it arrives the soundcard completely > "unspoiled" Hmm, I don't disagree, but in principle at least isn't it better to get a clean signal into the computer, then spoil it digitally? (Compression being a side issue). I *can't* disagree because I've got a valve (tube) preamp that sounds great overdriven ;-) Cheers, Danny. -- http://dannyayers.com From juuso.alasuutari at tamperelainen.org Mon Sep 4 05:51:35 2006 From: juuso.alasuutari at tamperelainen.org (juuso.alasuutari@tamperelainen.org) Date: Mon Sep 4 05:48:59 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] ZynAddSubFX sound lags Message-ID: <1157363495.44fbf7279758a@cs1.alpha12.l-secure.net> I'm driving ZynAddSubFX from MusE with ALSA MIDI & JACK on a 1.7 GHz Pentium M laptop and a 2.6.17.11 kernel with the realtime-lsm module. The sound lags behind ever so slightly; I have to move the notes backward one 32T to be more or less on the mark. And even then it sounds like there's a certain randomness to when each note is played. Is ZynAddSubFX such a monolith that this isn't avoidable without a more powerful computer? Or should I try enabling the (supposedly broken) JACK_RT audio option during compile? Anything else I could do? If I've no hope of getting ZynAddSubFX to not lag, can someone recommend a good additive synthesis alternative? Preferably something not modular; I want to twist knobs to create sounds, not to build a new synth from scratch. Thanks, Juuso ---------------------------------------------------------------- This mail sent through L-secure: http://www.l-secure.net/ From juuso.alasuutari at tamperelainen.org Mon Sep 4 06:24:41 2006 From: juuso.alasuutari at tamperelainen.org (juuso.alasuutari@tamperelainen.org) Date: Mon Sep 4 06:21:58 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] ZynAddSubFX sound lags SOLVED In-Reply-To: <1157363495.44fbf7279758a@cs1.alpha12.l-secure.net> References: <1157363495.44fbf7279758a@cs1.alpha12.l-secure.net> Message-ID: <1157365481.44fbfee9d3249@cs1.alpha12.l-secure.net> "Problem" solved: I had ZynAddSubFX's internal sound buffer size set to 1024. With 32 there's practically no lag whatsoever. :) Quoting juuso.alasuutari@tamperelainen.org: > I'm driving ZynAddSubFX from MusE with ALSA MIDI & JACK on a 1.7 GHz Pentium > M > laptop and a 2.6.17.11 kernel with the realtime-lsm module. The sound lags > behind ever so slightly; I have to move the notes backward one 32T to be more > or less on the mark. And even then it sounds like there's a certain > randomness > to when each note is played. > > Is ZynAddSubFX such a monolith that this isn't avoidable without a more > powerful > computer? Or should I try enabling the (supposedly broken) JACK_RT audio > option > during compile? Anything else I could do? > > If I've no hope of getting ZynAddSubFX to not lag, can someone recommend a > good > additive synthesis alternative? Preferably something not modular; I want to > twist knobs to create sounds, not to build a new synth from scratch. > > Thanks, > Juuso > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > This mail sent through L-secure: http://www.l-secure.net/ > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- This mail sent through L-secure: http://www.l-secure.net/ From zettberlin at linuxuse.de Mon Sep 4 06:22:59 2006 From: zettberlin at linuxuse.de (Hartmut Noack) Date: Mon Sep 4 06:23:01 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] ZynAddSubFX sound lags In-Reply-To: <1157363495.44fbf7279758a@cs1.alpha12.l-secure.net> References: <1157363495.44fbf7279758a@cs1.alpha12.l-secure.net> Message-ID: <44FBFE83.5070003@linuxuse.de> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 juuso.alasuutari@tamperelainen.org schrieb: > I'm driving ZynAddSubFX from MusE with ALSA MIDI & JACK on a 1.7 GHz Pentium M > laptop and a 2.6.17.11 kernel with the realtime-lsm module. The sound lags > behind ever so slightly; I have to move the notes backward one 32T to be more > or less on the mark. And even then it sounds like there's a certain randomness > to when each note is played. Are you perfectly sure, that it is not Muse, that adds the swing? Does Muse have access to /dev/rtc or does it complain about permissions at startup? > Is ZynAddSubFX such a monolith that this isn't avoidable without a more powerful > computer? Zynadd has some issues with RT on Linux but those are differnt in my experience (xruns when loading patches etc) > additive synthesis alternative? I guess the only alternatives could be dssi-Plugins like whysynth: http://home.jps.net/~musound/whysynth.html yet i doubt, that anyone of them really replaces all the powers of Zynadd. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFE+/6D1Aecwva1SWMRAogvAJwP3yu38aOjGRp1RVv4DN71nJ9xxQCfX18O DYLPiodxBiTyJn3EFKFMVvc= =XJ+b -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From loki.davison at gmail.com Mon Sep 4 08:43:03 2006 From: loki.davison at gmail.com (Loki Davison) Date: Mon Sep 4 08:43:12 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Plugging an electric instrument In-Reply-To: <44FBE181.6000405@linuxuse.de> References: <20060903184334.08602cb1@mistral.stie> <44FB5E66.3090201@linuxuse.de> <20060903192216.297edf31@mistral.stie> <44FBE181.6000405@linuxuse.de> Message-ID: On 9/4/06, Hartmut Noack wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > lanas schrieb: > > On Mon, 04 Sep 2006 00:59:50 +0200 > > Hartmut Noack ?crivait: > > >> I really recommend to buy a small mixer. > > > > One point that was earlier made here when I was asking lots of > > questions (not that I've quit doing that...) is that there should be as > > few as possible of components in the path so that the sound source goes > > into digital as soon as possible. > > This applies for microphone-preamps and recordingpreamps for Instruments > (that are made to yield a hifi-signal), yet the average guitar-preamp is > designed to be plugged into a poweramp, that propagates the signal via a > speaker to the audience. In my experience the signal of such a > guitar-preamp is not very useable if it arrives the soundcard completely > "unspoiled" (I used to record guits with a H&K preamp some years ago and > had to buy a cheap mixer with a graphical EQ to get a signal that had > the qualities i would expect from the same guitar plugged into a real > amp...). > > But besides all that: TRY! ;-) the best sound, you can get is the sound > you like best. Or as Frank Zappa said to Queens Brain May: > > "If you are on stage, it is your show: you decide, what?s wrong or right." This is a bass active pre though. I'm pretty sure they are line level signals, or at least active basses are. DI active basses you just plug them straight in to the sound card as not much "spoiling" is required. Not sure about acoustic basses as i've only ever played one for a few minutes. Give us a recording of how it sounds either way. Loki From errandir_news at mph.eclipse.co.uk Mon Sep 4 09:52:51 2006 From: errandir_news at mph.eclipse.co.uk (Martin Habets) Date: Mon Sep 4 09:53:31 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Lashd won't start. In-Reply-To: References: <20060830155422.2bd166a7@localhost> <20060902152336.3910f503@localhost> <44F9FB21.4010703@ichthyostega.de> <44F9FE21.7040009@sbcglobal.net> <20060903035810.GM4042@localdomain> <1157273460.44fa977402019@cs1.alpha12.l-secure.net> <1157305677.31814.4.camel@DaveLap> Message-ID: <20060904135251.GA28377@palantir8> On Mon, Sep 04, 2006 at 11:46:04AM +1000, Loki Davison wrote: > >As far as the /etc/services thing, I think I'm going to drop that entry, > >join the 21st century and use ZeroConf (via Avahi) to solve this problem > >(which is exactly the problem zeroconf was meant to solve) - bonus > >points for working over a network as well, which /etc/services doesn't. > > > >If anyone has any serious objections to Lash depending on Avahi, speak > >now or forever hold your peace... I'm all for the idea of joining the 21st century, but Avahi is a crap piece of bloatware that only works properly on PC architectures. > avahi... zeroconf... sounds useful, maybe even for something else, > like osc service discovery with liboscqs? :) I've tried to add support for avahi to liboscqs, but found the API to convoluted for the goal. Basically I'd have create yet another thread for this, and that is too costly for my liking. If I get a chance I'll implement the MDNS publish packet directly, that way it should work with all implementations. It's just a UDP packet anyways. To me the 21st century way of discovering services is via nss-mdns, but not everyone has that yet. Just my 2 cents. -- Martin From capocasa at gmx.net Mon Sep 4 10:35:50 2006 From: capocasa at gmx.net (Carlo Capocasa) Date: Mon Sep 4 10:36:53 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Linux Audio Notebooks for recording? Any recommendations? In-Reply-To: <20060831153206.GH9692@fliwatut.scifi> References: <79f0682c0608310221qfb626d5ga23383fe25f209b1@mail.gmail.com> <20060831153206.GH9692@fliwatut.scifi> Message-ID: > Huh? I've never had any of these issues, afaik only some old > PIV-models were affected by some demormalization problems, but to my > knowledge it has been sorted out. Yeah, denormals.I own a moderately old (2003) Dell notebook that sports a "Pentium 4 mobile" (don't know how that's wired) and ran into the issue doing some mixing and mastering in ardour. A lot of plugins were effected, even some of Steve's. > With AMD you may get different issues, like non-working W-LAN, worse > battery life, and you may have a hard time finding good open source > graphics drivers. You're right, I probably shouldn't have recommended AMD without having tried it first. But I do have a feeling I'll try it next. Carlo From lanas at securenet.net Mon Sep 4 12:03:01 2006 From: lanas at securenet.net (lanas) Date: Mon Sep 4 12:03:57 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] That Windows feeling... Message-ID: <20060904120301.77744289@mistral.stie> ... but on the bright side, I got some things working, so it's nice to know that things do work to some extent using the hardware (M-Audio 1010LT, M-Audio DX4 speakers, Pulsar mic + phantom power) I bought and the computer (AMD X2 dual-core, MSI K8N Neo4/SLI mobo, 4GB RAM, GeForce 6600) I got. To get it working I tried some distros since the SuSE Nerd 3 page on how to install a Jacklab system has not the right URLs for YaST. So I tried the 64Studio. This one would not boot after install. I still have to look into that but I want results first, so that's for later. I also tried Musix GNU+Linux Live CD but this one did not recognize the sound card. Results first, so this one is out the door. Then I tried CCRMA. So I downloaded and installed Fedora 5, x86_64 version. Wrong. CCRMA does not seem to have and x86_64 packages. At least not in the mainstream docs. Go back to get another DVD. Luckily, the line has good throughput. So I installed Fedora 5 i386 and followed the CCRMA steps. This finally gives results, I can run jack and connect some ins/outs, make drum beats with Hydrogen, make one sound with this zyn[...] soft synth. MuSE will run, and so Ardour. So basically now all I have to do is to learn how to use this stuff (and connect a MIDI keyboard and connect my preamped accoustic bass guitar). It would be that if only Fedora would have nice fonts. It does not. The screen feeling is set a few years back. Then it tells me that the screen is 1600x1200 but the other screen resolution app is right: it's only 1024x768. Even tough it knows the right monitor model. No way to easily throw this one in 1600x1200. So I want to boot back into my main SuSE system. And although I've taken care to tell the Fedora installer about the other boot partitions, it throws the system into the grub prompt when trying to boot SuSE. So it's back to booting from the SuSE DVD, chroot into the right partition and re-initialize grub. I'd thought that by 2006, big guys like the Fedora team would have resolved this. SuSE certainly did (64Studio not !). It's this feeling about systems and flakiness that I almost forgotten not working with Windows for several years. So for now 1024x768 will do so that I learn a bit more about actually how to work with audio (as opposed to configuring systems and software packages) and perhaps derive a bit of fun in the process, but this is certainly not a long term solution. Al From stefano.barbi at medicina.univr.it Mon Sep 4 11:57:47 2006 From: stefano.barbi at medicina.univr.it (Stefano Barbi) Date: Mon Sep 4 13:27:10 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Midi to OSC routing Message-ID: <1157385467.6006.10.camel@localhost> Dear all, I was looking for an application able to filter and route MIDI messages, such as cc messages from a MIDI controller, to the OSC controls of an instrument. Obviously, such application should be able to store and retrieve mappings between MIDI and OSC. Do you know if anything of that kind exists? Stefano From tech at glastonburymusic.org.uk Mon Sep 4 13:32:57 2006 From: tech at glastonburymusic.org.uk (tim hall) Date: Mon Sep 4 13:33:10 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Some Random Thoughts In-Reply-To: <20060902152336.3910f503@localhost> References: <20060830155422.2bd166a7@localhost> <20060902152336.3910f503@localhost> Message-ID: <200609041832.57299.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> On Saturday 02 September 2006 15:23, Folderol was like: > I was very interested in the replies here. It seems there is quite a > lot of consensus. > > So does that mean I'm less strange than I thought I was, or that there > are more strange people? It's not unusual to be unusual anymore ... -- cheers, tim hall http://glastonburymusic.org.uk/tim We are the people We've been waiting for. From drucer99 at yahoo.com Mon Sep 4 13:38:55 2006 From: drucer99 at yahoo.com (Drucer Ninetynine) Date: Mon Sep 4 13:39:02 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] That Windows feeling... In-Reply-To: <20060904120301.77744289@mistral.stie> Message-ID: <20060904173855.35622.qmail@web52208.mail.yahoo.com> --- lanas wrote: > ... but on the bright side, I got some things > working, so it's nice to > know that things do work to some extent using the > hardware (M-Audio > 1010LT, M-Audio DX4 speakers, Pulsar mic + phantom > power) I bought and > the computer (AMD X2 dual-core, MSI K8N Neo4/SLI > mobo, 4GB RAM, GeForce > 6600) I got. You've got very nice system specs. Give it some time, don't give up. All the ingredients are out there to make one helluva audio system - you just need to learn how to cook :) I built LFS (Linux from scratch) system. It took some serious interest to learn how to get it all together, but it's been worth it in every possible way. I have near perfect desktop audio system here with me right now - I couldn't imagine it being much better no matter what OS. This system delivers what Windows system could not deliver. This is the environment I feel at home - this is where I'm most productive. But like I said - it required a lot of work. It doesn't have to be like that for most of you. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From capocasa at gmx.net Mon Sep 4 13:59:15 2006 From: capocasa at gmx.net (Carlo Capocasa) Date: Mon Sep 4 13:59:52 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Midi to OSC routing In-Reply-To: <1157385467.6006.10.camel@localhost> References: <1157385467.6006.10.camel@localhost> Message-ID: The only thing I'm aware of is that the Om synth has plans to incorporate MIDI patching, and since it supports both MIDI and OSC it might be a solution. Of course a small GUI app would be very nice and shouldn't be too hard to code. If I hadn't so much to do...(tm) Carlo From renueden at earthlink.net Mon Sep 4 14:35:32 2006 From: renueden at earthlink.net (Ken) Date: Mon Sep 4 14:35:42 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Midi to OSC routing In-Reply-To: References: <1157385467.6006.10.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <44FC71F4.4080607@earthlink.net> Carlo Capocasa wrote: > The only thing I'm aware of is that the Om synth has plans to > incorporate MIDI patching, and since it supports both MIDI and OSC it > might be a solution. > > Of course a small GUI app would be very nice and shouldn't be too hard > to code. If I hadn't so much to do...(tm) > > Carlo > > > By midi patching, do you mean presets and gui??? From jdboyd at jdboyd.net Mon Sep 4 14:22:56 2006 From: jdboyd at jdboyd.net (Joshua Boyd) Date: Mon Sep 4 14:38:03 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Favorite way to browse the list In-Reply-To: <20060903124449.07660a33@mistral.stie> References: <20060903124449.07660a33@mistral.stie> Message-ID: <20060904182256.GA14448@jdboyd> On Sun, Sep 03, 2006 at 12:44:49PM -0400, lanas wrote: > E-mail at home can be retrieved by two systems, so it happens that > sometimes I do not read replies (or miss them for some time) because > they are on the other machine that I don't use much. > > So, what would be the nicest http way to browse this mailing list > messages (with thread-following option) out there on the internet ? This isn't what you asked for, but would using IMAP email be an option? My mailservice is by IMAP instead of POP3, and that makes it pretty painless to use multiple computers (sometimes simultaneously). All email stays on the mail server unless I explicitly delete it. Assorted mail programs may or may not keep a local, non-authoratative cache of the server for offline reading. IMAP servers usually allow sub folders on the server, and there may or may not be methods supplied for sorting email into folders automatically on the server. For my personal service, email from any of the linux audio lists goes to a linux-audio folder automatically. However, the work IMAP server doesn't do such things for me, so I have to rely on Evolution to do the automatic sorting, so at work new email doesn't get auto sorted when I view it via webmail. For my personal email, the email is presorted when I view by webmail or ThunderBird, or Mail.app, or Mutt. And of course, I don't have the problem of some emails being on my home desktop and some on the laptop, and some at work from when I checked my personal email at work. And using real mail programs is a lot nicer than viewing through a web page in my opinion. If you ISP doesn't offer IMAP server, perhaps there would be a free IMAP email service somewhere? I haven't had a need to look for that. Otherwise, I believe the best option is to view the official mailing list archives at: http://music.columbia.edu/pipermail/linux-audio-user/ which does offer a thread view. -- Joshua D. Boyd jdboyd@jdboyd.net http://www.jdboyd.net/ http://www.joshuaboyd.org/ From lanas at securenet.net Mon Sep 4 14:52:40 2006 From: lanas at securenet.net (lanas) Date: Mon Sep 4 14:54:00 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] That Windows feeling... In-Reply-To: <20060904173855.35622.qmail@web52208.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20060904120301.77744289@mistral.stie> <20060904173855.35622.qmail@web52208.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20060904145240.61859f62@mistral.stie> On Mon, 4 Sep 2006 10:38:55 -0700 (PDT) Drucer Ninetynine ?crivait: > you just need to learn how to cook :) Yep. Just re-installed 64Studio and it works. Everything seems to work right away. I have to learn how to connect the external MIDI keyboard to, say, the Zyn[...] synth and/or Hydrogen as it does not seem as straightforward as plugging the MIDI out of the kyb to the MIDI In of the M-Audio 1010LT and then 'connect' using Jack the 1010LT MIDI to the Zyn MIDI port. Somethign else had to be done. Same with Hydrogen. I don't even want to thin about sound quality at this moment ! ;-) > I built LFS (Linux from scratch) system. It took some > serious interest to learn how to get it all together, > but it's been worth it in every possible way. I have > near perfect desktop audio system here with me right > now - I couldn't imagine it being much better no > matter what OS. I use to build LFS systems that I've used at home and at work for a few years. In fact, I built my own set of scripts to configure and install such a system. One of these days I want to build a LFS system for the x86_64 platform but I have no idea at how the 32/64 libs are handled. Earlier last year I decided to use a commercial distro to see what is the state of Linux when you pay for it. So I bought SuSE 9.3 and then 10.0 for both home and work. Initially I was pleasantly surprised, but then I saw some 'little things' here and there, like SuSE 10.0 not being able to give 1600x1200 while 9.3 did. Or having trouble using the network adapters. First time I tried MuSE was on a LFS system I built. I was running WindowMaker and that was a few years ago. It took some hacks to make MuSE work (many thanks to excellent mailing list support !) and to actually used it, but I finally made a couple of tunes for fun with it. So eventually I'd dearly like to be on the LFS bandwagon again (recently I tried nALFS from the live CDROM and it works great on 386 systems), revamping my scripts and perhaps even adding a GUI interface. The point is, I don't mind spending the time as that's where my professional interest lies, but in parallel, I find it deceiving that in 2006 there are still some basic problems with the major flagship distros. For instance, why is SuSE bundling Jack (and MuSE and Ardour, etc...) when there are no instructions on how to make all this work. In fact, even the SuSE kernel has no realtime in it or as modules. Or Fedora telling me that my screen is 1600x1200 when it's clearly not. Ah well. Cheers, Al From _ at whats-your.name Mon Sep 4 14:57:28 2006 From: _ at whats-your.name (carmen) Date: Mon Sep 4 14:57:42 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Midi to OSC routing In-Reply-To: <1157385467.6006.10.camel@localhost> References: <1157385467.6006.10.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <20060904185728.GA11186@replic.net> On Mon Sep 04, 2006 at 05:57:47PM +0200, Stefano Barbi wrote: > Dear all, > I was looking for an application able to filter and route MIDI messages, > such as cc messages from a MIDI controller, to the OSC controls of an > instrument pd can do this, but its lack of dynamism and polyphony means you may need to precreate actual objects for the various OSC paths and ports you intend to use (unless theres now a 'settable route' or 'settable OSCroute' object). in addition its OSC support is spaghetti code from 1997 and someone went in recently to 'fix' it on win32 which incidentally totally broke it on my platform (the OSCx library i mean). and its not full-duplex and return ports have to be hardcoded instead of negotiated, which means many OSC apps wont work (i had to bother Dave to add a custom case for this so i could conect to Om from PD) and it will definitely fuck with the timing. its worth a shot though. i'm guessing when OSC and MIDI are both first claas citizens on the jack transport, this is one of the first apps we'll see. > . Obviously, such application should be able to store and > retrieve mappings between MIDI and OSC. Do you know if anything of that > kind exists? > > Stefano > > From stefanobarbi at gmail.com Mon Sep 4 17:01:45 2006 From: stefanobarbi at gmail.com (Stefano Barbi) Date: Mon Sep 4 15:01:55 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Midi to OSC routing In-Reply-To: References: <1157385467.6006.10.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <1157403705.8292.11.camel@localhost> On Mon, 2006-09-04 at 19:59 +0200, Carlo Capocasa wrote: > The only thing I'm aware of is that the Om synth has plans to > incorporate MIDI patching, and since it supports both MIDI and OSC it > might be a solution. Do you mean that Om could actually be used as a router and forward incoming messages to any OSC server? that would be intresting, although I agree with you that a standalone app would be more suitable.. > Of course a small GUI app would be very nice and shouldn't be too hard > to code. If I hadn't so much to do...(tm) > > Carlo > From fbar at footils.org Mon Sep 4 15:03:49 2006 From: fbar at footils.org (Frank Barknecht) Date: Mon Sep 4 15:04:29 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Midi to OSC routing In-Reply-To: <1157385467.6006.10.camel@localhost> References: <1157385467.6006.10.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <20060904190349.GA1808@fliwatut.scifi> Hallo, Stefano Barbi hat gesagt: // Stefano Barbi wrote: > I was looking for an application able to filter and route MIDI messages, > such as cc messages from a MIDI controller, to the OSC controls of an > instrument. Obviously, such application should be able to store and > retrieve mappings between MIDI and OSC. Do you know if anything of that > kind exists? This is easy to do in Pure Data. Attached is a simple example patch showing how to route midi note or controller data to arbitrary OSC targets. Ciao -- Frank Barknecht _ ______footils.org_ __goto10.org__ -------------- next part -------------- #N canvas 196 126 579 428 10; #X obj 57 232 cnv 15 400 180 empty empty OSC 10 12 0 14 -233017 -66577 0; #X obj 97 356 sendOSC; #X msg 239 321 connect \$1 \$2; #X obj 97 260 list prepend send; #X obj 97 281 list trim; #X obj 59 31 cnv 15 400 120 empty empty midi 10 12 0 14 -233017 -66577 0; #X symbolatom 265 276 20 0 0 2 hostname - -; #X floatatom 413 278 5 0 0 2 port - -; #X obj 239 300 pack s 0; #X obj 239 275 bng 15 250 50 0 empty empty set 0 -6 0 8 -262144 -1 -1; #X msg 239 342 disconnect; #X obj 98 78 notein; #X obj 98 106 pack 0 0 0; #X obj 98 200 list prepend /NOTE; #X symbolatom 142 179 12 0 0 2 note-target-name - -; #X obj 307 104 pack 0 0 0; #X symbolatom 343 175 12 0 0 2 ctl-target-name - -; #X obj 307 76 ctlin; #X obj 307 198 list prepend; #X obj 474 136 loadbang; #X msg 474 158 symbol /CTL; #X connect 2 0 1 0; #X connect 3 0 4 0; #X connect 4 0 1 0; #X connect 6 0 8 0; #X connect 7 0 8 1; #X connect 8 0 2 0; #X connect 9 0 8 0; #X connect 10 0 1 0; #X connect 11 0 12 0; #X connect 11 1 12 1; #X connect 11 2 12 2; #X connect 12 0 13 0; #X connect 13 0 3 0; #X connect 14 0 13 1; #X connect 15 0 18 0; #X connect 16 0 18 1; #X connect 17 0 15 0; #X connect 17 1 15 1; #X connect 17 2 15 2; #X connect 18 0 1 0; #X connect 19 0 20 0; #X connect 20 0 16 0; From folderol at ukfsn.org Mon Sep 4 15:05:28 2006 From: folderol at ukfsn.org (Folderol) Date: Mon Sep 4 15:05:53 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] More ramblings :) In-Reply-To: <20060903014653.78a5a56e@localhost> References: <20060903012335.3e056463@localhost> <20060902203920.0ba74a41@mistral.stie> <20060903014653.78a5a56e@localhost> Message-ID: <20060904200528.3f73d6f7@localhost> On Sun, 3 Sep 2006 01:46:53 +0100 Folderol wrote: > On Sat, 2 Sep 2006 20:39:20 -0400 > lanas wrote: > > > On Sun, 3 Sep 2006 01:23:35 +0100 > > Folderol ?crivait: > > > > > Please have a look and tell me what you think. > > > http://www.folderol.ukfsn.org/updates.shtml > > > > Haven't really heard the piece, but on the technical side, do you > > really want people not to actually download your music ? I mean, the > > linkcount perl script seems to be like the ogg file, but when > > downloaded, and properly renamed, the ogg plyaer does not reckon it. > > Of course, simply clicking and using RealPlayer (SUSE 10.0) works. > > > > Cheers, > > Al > > This is annoying. I thought I had resolved that problem. Can you say > *exactly* how you are trying to download files? An ordinary click seems > to be fine in Firefox, Opera & Konquerer. This is now finally resolved -- Will J G From _ at whats-your.name Mon Sep 4 15:05:40 2006 From: _ at whats-your.name (carmen) Date: Mon Sep 4 15:06:42 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] That Windows feeling... In-Reply-To: <20060904145240.61859f62@mistral.stie> References: <20060904120301.77744289@mistral.stie> <20060904173855.35622.qmail@web52208.mail.yahoo.com> <20060904145240.61859f62@mistral.stie> Message-ID: <20060904190540.GB11186@replic.net> > I find it deceiving that > in 2006 there are still some basic problems with the major flagship > distros. whoever said SuSE and FEdora were flagship? flagship distros are debian, gentoo, and ubuntu, with arch and mandriva rounding out the top 5. or REdHat/Novell in the corporate world. Fedora is just redhat's lame attempt to offload work on RedHat to others by emulating the debian model unsuccessfuly. > work. In fact, even the SuSE kernel has no realtime in it or as > modules. Or Fedora telling me that my screen is 1600x1200 when it's > clearly not. nobody said you had to try Studio64, Musix, Agnula, Demudi, StudioToGo, PCLinuxOS, UbuntuStudio, or wahtever 'derived from another distro and improved but still proably not fully working \'music out-of-the-box\' support'. the big picture requires a maintenance team that can keep things fresh (so that your hardware is supported), and parts functional with eachother (so that your udev loads your sound drivers, your screen works at 1440x960 instead of 1024x768...) and this is much more likely to be the case with gentoo or ubuntu than anbything else. music software being preinstalled is secondary to this really > Earlier last year I decided to use a commercial distro to see what is > the state of Linux when you pay for it i had to pay a bit for gentoo. in the form of my time, to learn how stuff in /etc/portage works (mainly unmasking -9999 audio packages in the proaudio overlay). i find it was a good return on the investment. surely more than the one time a coworker bought a boxed copy of RedHat without consulting the rest of us first.. From fbar at footils.org Mon Sep 4 15:08:06 2006 From: fbar at footils.org (Frank Barknecht) Date: Mon Sep 4 15:08:46 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Midi to OSC routing In-Reply-To: <20060904185728.GA11186@replic.net> References: <1157385467.6006.10.camel@localhost> <20060904185728.GA11186@replic.net> Message-ID: <20060904190806.GB1808@fliwatut.scifi> Hallo, carmen hat gesagt: // carmen wrote: > pd can do this, but its lack of dynamism and polyphony means you may > need to precreate actual objects for the various OSC paths and ports > you intend to use (unless theres now a 'settable route' or 'settable > OSCroute' object). There is both: A settable route is easy to fake using [select] and [list] and it's called [sroute] in my [list]-abs collection. A settable OSC-route was written by Martin Peach, I don't remember the object's name, maybe it even is just an extension of OSCroute. > in addition its OSC support is spaghetti code from 1997 and someone > went in recently to 'fix' it on win32 which incidentally totally > broke it on my platform (the OSCx library i mean). and its not > full-duplex and return ports have to be hardcoded instead of > negotiated, which means many OSC apps wont work (i had to bother > Dave to add a custom case for this so i could conect to Om from PD) > and it will definitely fuck with the timing. its worth a shot > though. Martin Peach is also working on replacements objects for the old OSC objects. They are somewhere in the Pd-CVS IIRC. Ciao -- Frank Barknecht _ ______footils.org_ __goto10.org__ From _ at whats-your.name Mon Sep 4 15:12:33 2006 From: _ at whats-your.name (carmen) Date: Mon Sep 4 15:12:36 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Midi to OSC routing In-Reply-To: <20060904190806.GB1808@fliwatut.scifi> References: <1157385467.6006.10.camel@localhost> <20060904185728.GA11186@replic.net> <20060904190806.GB1808@fliwatut.scifi> Message-ID: <20060904191233.GC11186@replic.net> > Martin Peach is also working on replacements objects for the old OSC > objects. They are somewhere in the Pd-CVS IIRC. ah nice. indeed they exist here: cvs -d:pserver:anonymous@pure-data.cvs.sourceforge.net:/cvsroot/pure-data co externals/mrpeach From fbar at footils.org Mon Sep 4 15:20:56 2006 From: fbar at footils.org (Frank Barknecht) Date: Mon Sep 4 15:21:33 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Midi to OSC routing In-Reply-To: <20060904190349.GA1808@fliwatut.scifi> References: <1157385467.6006.10.camel@localhost> <20060904190349.GA1808@fliwatut.scifi> Message-ID: <20060904192056.GA14193@fliwatut.scifi> Hallo, Frank Barknecht hat gesagt: // Frank Barknecht wrote: > This is easy to do in Pure Data. Attached is a simple example patch > showing how to route midi note or controller data to arbitrary OSC > targets. Sorry, I messed up one connection. Attached is the fixed version. Ciao -- Frank Barknecht _ ______footils.org_ __goto10.org__ -------------- next part -------------- #N canvas 196 126 579 428 10; #X obj 57 232 cnv 15 400 180 empty empty OSC 10 12 0 14 -233017 -66577 0; #X obj 97 356 sendOSC; #X msg 239 321 connect \$1 \$2; #X obj 97 260 list prepend send; #X obj 97 281 list trim; #X obj 59 31 cnv 15 400 120 empty empty midi 10 12 0 14 -233017 -66577 0; #X symbolatom 265 276 20 0 0 2 hostname - -; #X floatatom 413 278 5 0 0 2 port - -; #X obj 239 300 pack s 0; #X obj 239 275 bng 15 250 50 0 empty empty set 0 -6 0 8 -262144 -1 -1; #X msg 239 342 disconnect; #X obj 98 78 notein; #X obj 98 106 pack 0 0 0; #X obj 98 200 list prepend /NOTE; #X symbolatom 142 179 12 0 0 2 note-target-name - -; #X obj 307 104 pack 0 0 0; #X symbolatom 343 175 12 0 0 2 ctl-target-name - -; #X obj 307 76 ctlin; #X obj 307 198 list prepend; #X obj 474 136 loadbang; #X msg 474 158 symbol /CTL; #X connect 2 0 1 0; #X connect 3 0 4 0; #X connect 4 0 1 0; #X connect 6 0 8 0; #X connect 7 0 8 1; #X connect 8 0 2 0; #X connect 9 0 8 0; #X connect 10 0 1 0; #X connect 11 0 12 0; #X connect 11 1 12 1; #X connect 11 2 12 2; #X connect 12 0 13 0; #X connect 13 0 3 0; #X connect 14 0 13 1; #X connect 15 0 18 0; #X connect 16 0 18 1; #X connect 17 0 15 0; #X connect 17 1 15 1; #X connect 17 2 15 2; #X connect 18 0 3 0; #X connect 19 0 20 0; #X connect 20 0 16 0; From redfox at 99b.org Mon Sep 4 15:24:02 2006 From: redfox at 99b.org (Chris Abbott) Date: Mon Sep 4 15:24:12 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] M-Audio omnistudio USb jackd issues In-Reply-To: <44FBA00C.6040003@boosthardware.com> References: <44FB6C49.5090409@99b.org> <44FB95B4.9020807@boosthardware.com> <44FB9CF1.7070100@99b.org> <44FBA00C.6040003@boosthardware.com> Message-ID: <44FC7D52.1080200@99b.org> This is my .asoundrc. I'll have to wait and see if the moderators will let my very long message of lsusb -v and the cats go through. If not, I'll shorten it up somehow or put it on the website and drop the link in a message. But nonetheless, it shows the device supporting 16- and 24-bit samples. pcm.usb-aduio { type multi; slaves.a.pcm "hw:1,0"; slaves.a.channels 2; slaves.b.pcm "hw:1:1"; slaves.b.channels 2; bindings.0.slave a; bindings.0.channel 0; bindings.1.slave a; bindings.1.channel 1; bindings.2.slave b; bindings.2.channel 0; bindings.3.slave b; bindings.3.channel 1; } ctl.usb-audio { type hw; card 1; } rawmidi.usb-audio { type hw; card 1; } -Chris Patrick Shirkey wrote: > You can see which sample rates are supported by running: > > lsusb -v > > for more info : > > lsusb --help > > Cheers. > > > Chris Abbott wrote: >> Tried it, but no luck. Thanks. I think I might toy around with the >> alsa-jack driver. It may be jack doesn't like how the sample formats >> are done on the omnistudio. Even though I have alsa playing through >> it fine still. >> >> Patrick Shirkey wrote: >>> Chris Abbott wrote: >>>> I'm not sure what jack's problem is, but it returns this no matter >>>> what I use on my omnistudio. >>>> >>>> ~$ jackd -dalsa -dhw:1 -r48000 -p1024 -n2 -i4 -o2 >>> >>> try this: jackd -dalsa -dhw:1 -r48000 -p1024 -n2 -i4 -o2 -P >>> >>> Your device may have different sample rate capabilities for playback >>> and capture and jackd may not be able to figure that out. >>> >>> >>> Cheers. >>> >>> >> >> > > From redfox at 99b.org Mon Sep 4 15:43:28 2006 From: redfox at 99b.org (Chris Abbott) Date: Mon Sep 4 15:43:41 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] M-Audio omnistudio USb jackd issues In-Reply-To: <44FC7D52.1080200@99b.org> References: <44FB6C49.5090409@99b.org> <44FB95B4.9020807@boosthardware.com> <44FB9CF1.7070100@99b.org> <44FBA00C.6040003@boosthardware.com> <44FC7D52.1080200@99b.org> Message-ID: <44FC81E0.5070007@99b.org> Chris Abbott wrote: > This is my .asoundrc. I'll have to wait and see if the moderators will > let my very long message of lsusb -v and the cats go through. If not, > I'll shorten it up somehow or put it on the website and drop the link > in a message. But nonetheless, it shows the device supporting 16- and > 24-bit samples. > > pcm.usb-aduio { > type multi; > slaves.a.pcm "hw:1,0"; > slaves.a.channels 2; > slaves.b.pcm "hw:1:1"; > slaves.b.channels 2; > bindings.0.slave a; > bindings.0.channel 0; > bindings.1.slave a; > bindings.1.channel 1; > bindings.2.slave b; > bindings.2.channel 0; > bindings.3.slave b; > bindings.3.channel 1; > } > > ctl.usb-audio { > type hw; > card 1; > } > > rawmidi.usb-audio { > type hw; > card 1; > } > > -Chris Stuff from the message that was too big. Below it is cat /proc/asound/card1/stream0 and below that is cat /proc/asound/card1/stream1. According to all of this(including the unlisted lsusb -v), it supports 24-bit and 16-bit. At 24-bit@48KHz, it is suppose to have 4in and 2out, at least according to M-Audio and when used in OSX. Which I have no problem with using it in OSX, except that I have crashed OSX twice with unplugging and plugging it from the USB port. I have yet to have a problem with it doing this in Linux. Plus, I have some plug-in bugs in Ardour in OSX. Also, as seen in cat /proc/asound/card1/stream1, it is playing (via beep-media-player) at 44.1Khz and 24-bit format. "cat /proc/asound/card1/stream0" ~# cat /proc/asound/card1/stream0 M-Audio OmniStudio USB at usb-0001:10:1b.1-1, full speed : USB Audio Playback: Status: Stop Interface 1 Altset 4 Format: S16_LE Channels: 2 Endpoint: 3 OUT (ADAPTIVE) Rates: 11025, 22050, 44100 Interface 4 Altset 1 Format: S24_3LE Channels: 2 Endpoint: 3 OUT (ADAPTIVE) Rates: 88200, 96000 Interface 4 Altset 3 Format: S24_3LE Channels: 2 Endpoint: 3 OUT (ADAPTIVE) Rates: 11025, 22050, 44100, 48000 Interface 4 Altset 4 Format: S16_LE Channels: 2 Endpoint: 3 OUT (ADAPTIVE) Rates: 11025, 22050, 44100, 48000 Capture: Status: Stop Interface 2 Altset 4 Format: S16_LE Channels: 2 Endpoint: 5 IN (SYNC) Rates: 11025, 22050, 44100 Interface 5 Altset 1 Format: S24_3LE Channels: 2 Endpoint: 5 IN (SYNC) Rates: 88200, 96000 Interface 5 Altset 3 Format: S24_3LE Channels: 2 Endpoint: 5 IN (SYNC) Rates: 11025, 22050, 44100, 48000 Interface 5 Altset 4 Format: S16_LE Channels: 2 Endpoint: 5 IN (SYNC) Rates: 11025, 22050, 44100, 48000 "cat /proc/asound/card1/stream1" ~# cat /proc/asound/card1/stream1 M-Audio OmniStudio USB at usb-0001:10:1b.1-1, full speed : USB Audio #1 Playback: Status: Running Interface = 7 Altset = 3 URBs = 8 [ 4 4 4 4 4 4 4 4 ] Packet Size = 192 Momentary freq = 44100 Hz (0x2c.199a) Interface 7 Altset 1 Format: S24_3LE Channels: 2 Endpoint: 4 OUT (ADAPTIVE) Rates: 88200, 96000 Interface 7 Altset 3 Format: S24_3LE Channels: 2 Endpoint: 4 OUT (ADAPTIVE) Rates: 11025, 22050, 44100, 48000 Interface 7 Altset 4 Format: S16_LE Channels: 2 Endpoint: 4 OUT (ADAPTIVE) Rates: 11025, 22050, 44100, 48000 Capture: Status: Stop Interface 8 Altset 1 Format: S24_3LE Channels: 2 Endpoint: 6 IN (SYNC) Rates: 88200, 96000 Interface 8 Altset 3 Format: S24_3LE Channels: 2 Endpoint: 6 IN (SYNC) Rates: 11025, 22050, 44100, 48000 Interface 8 Altset 4 Format: S16_LE Channels: 2 Endpoint: 6 IN (SYNC) Rates: 11025, 22050, 44100, 48000 Is it possible that Jack is sending the right information to get the sample format. I think I read somewhere that jack sends out stuff like S24_LE and according to the cats, the device identifies its 24-bit and others as S24_3LE. > > Patrick Shirkey wrote: >> You can see which sample rates are supported by running: >> >> lsusb -v >> >> for more info : >> >> lsusb --help >> >> Cheers. >> >> >> Chris Abbott wrote: >>> Tried it, but no luck. Thanks. I think I might toy around with the >>> alsa-jack driver. It may be jack doesn't like how the sample formats >>> are done on the omnistudio. Even though I have alsa playing through >>> it fine still. >>> >>> Patrick Shirkey wrote: >>>> Chris Abbott wrote: >>>>> I'm not sure what jack's problem is, but it returns this no matter >>>>> what I use on my omnistudio. >>>>> >>>>> ~$ jackd -dalsa -dhw:1 -r48000 -p1024 -n2 -i4 -o2 >>>> >>>> try this: jackd -dalsa -dhw:1 -r48000 -p1024 -n2 -i4 -o2 -P >>>> >>>> Your device may have different sample rate capabilities for >>>> playback and capture and jackd may not be able to figure that out. >>>> >>>> >>>> Cheers. >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >> >> > From rlrevell at joe-job.com Mon Sep 4 16:23:35 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Mon Sep 4 16:23:51 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Lashd won't start. In-Reply-To: <1157305677.31814.4.camel@DaveLap> References: <20060830155422.2bd166a7@localhost> <20060902152336.3910f503@localhost> <44F9FB21.4010703@ichthyostega.de> <44F9FE21.7040009@sbcglobal.net> <20060903035810.GM4042@localdomain> <1157273460.44fa977402019@cs1.alpha12.l-secure.net> <1157305677.31814.4.camel@DaveLap> Message-ID: <1157401416.17347.100.camel@mindpipe> On Sun, 2006-09-03 at 13:47 -0400, Dave Robillard wrote: > As far as the /etc/services thing, I think I'm going to drop that entry, > join the 21st century and use ZeroConf (via Avahi) to solve this problem > (which is exactly the problem zeroconf was meant to solve) - bonus > points for working over a network as well, which /etc/services doesn't. > > If anyone has any serious objections to Lash depending on Avahi, speak > now or forever hold your peace... Did you ever register the LASH service with IANA? Lee From drobilla at connect.carleton.ca Mon Sep 4 16:28:16 2006 From: drobilla at connect.carleton.ca (Dave Robillard) Date: Mon Sep 4 16:29:13 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Lashd won't start. In-Reply-To: References: <20060830155422.2bd166a7@localhost> <20060902152336.3910f503@localhost> <44F9FB21.4010703@ichthyostega.de> <44F9FE21.7040009@sbcglobal.net> <20060903035810.GM4042@localdomain> <1157273460.44fa977402019@cs1.alpha12.l-secure.net> <1157305677.31814.4.camel@DaveLap> Message-ID: <1157401697.10617.3.camel@DaveLap> On Mon, 2006-09-04 at 11:46 +1000, Loki Davison wrote: > On 9/4/06, Dave Robillard wrote: > > On Sun, 2006-09-03 at 11:51 +0300, juuso.alasuutari@tamperelainen.org > > wrote: > > > Quoting Forest Bond : > > > > > > > > Anyone seen this before? Happens when I try to start lashd. > > > > > > > > > > brian@grace ~ $ lashd > > > > > No supported SIMD instruction sets detected > > > > > Connected to JACK server with client name 'LASH_Server' > > > > > Opened ALSA sequencer with client ID 129 > > > > > conn_mgr_start: could not look up service name: Servname not supported > > > > > for ai_socktype > > > > > loader_run: server closed socket; exiting > > > > > Segmentation fault > > > > > > > > This is usually what happens if you are missing the appropriate line in > > > > /etc/services (lashd shouldn't crash when this happens, but does.) > > > > > > I'm the other one suffering from this bug, although I don't get that > > > conn_mgr_start message before the segfault. Also on my box lashd stays up > > and > > > quiet until I try to run any client. > > > > > > I have this in /etc/services: > > > lash 14541/tcp # LASH client/server protocol > > > That should be about right, no? > > > > Actually I think these are two different bugs. > > > > As far as the /etc/services thing, I think I'm going to drop that entry, > > join the 21st century and use ZeroConf (via Avahi) to solve this problem > > (which is exactly the problem zeroconf was meant to solve) - bonus > > points for working over a network as well, which /etc/services doesn't. > > > > If anyone has any serious objections to Lash depending on Avahi, speak > > now or forever hold your peace... > > > > -DR- > > avahi... zeroconf... sounds useful, maybe even for something else, > like osc service discovery with liboscqs? :) so you spotted the greater direction this is a part of :) > More on topic, no objections from me. All modern systems come with it anyway. that's what I figure. it's crucial for certain things (like lash and anything OSC (which will include lash soon enough), and seems to be installed on almost any remotely modern distro (or at least easily installable), so I figure it's a win. I'll do it regardless since it's so spiffy and show-offable and solves everything so nicely, but hey - never hurts to ask :) -DR- From drobilla at connect.carleton.ca Mon Sep 4 16:28:59 2006 From: drobilla at connect.carleton.ca (Dave Robillard) Date: Mon Sep 4 16:30:17 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Lashd won't start. In-Reply-To: <44FB98DA.8060707@sbcglobal.net> References: <20060830155422.2bd166a7@localhost> <20060902152336.3910f503@localhost> <44F9FB21.4010703@ichthyostega.de> <44F9FE21.7040009@sbcglobal.net> <20060903035810.GM4042@localdomain> <44FB98DA.8060707@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <1157401739.10617.5.camel@DaveLap> On Sun, 2006-09-03 at 22:09 -0500, Brian Dunn wrote: > Forest Bond wrote: > >> Anyone seen this before? Happens when I try to start lashd. > >> > >> brian@grace ~ $ lashd > >> No supported SIMD instruction sets detected > >> Connected to JACK server with client name 'LASH_Server' > >> Opened ALSA sequencer with client ID 129 > >> conn_mgr_start: could not look up service name: Servname not supported > >> for ai_socktype > >> loader_run: server closed socket; exiting > >> Segmentation fault > >> > > > > This is usually what happens if you are missing the appropriate line in > > /etc/services (lashd shouldn't crash when this happens, but does.) > > > > -Forest > > > You where right, Forest. Adding > lash 14541/tcp # LASH client/server protocol > > to /etc/services got lashd running. I wasn't able to open lash_panel at > first, due to some message about not being able to find localhost. so > then i added a local host definition to > /etc/hosts > > 127.0.0.1 localhost > > and now I have a working lash setup. Thanks! > > something else is now quite troubling, though... it seems that all > multimedia applications are now incapable of seeing the SIMD features of > this PIII. lashd, lash_panel, zynaddsubfx, and even mplayer all say > > No supported SIMD instruction sets detected > > I'm running gentoo and i've got all the relevant use flags turned on, > sse, mmx... > > any clues? how can this be broken system wide? That message comes from jack. -DR- From drobilla at connect.carleton.ca Mon Sep 4 16:31:22 2006 From: drobilla at connect.carleton.ca (Dave Robillard) Date: Mon Sep 4 16:32:09 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Lashd won't start. In-Reply-To: <20060904135251.GA28377@palantir8> References: <20060830155422.2bd166a7@localhost> <20060902152336.3910f503@localhost> <44F9FB21.4010703@ichthyostega.de> <44F9FE21.7040009@sbcglobal.net> <20060903035810.GM4042@localdomain> <1157273460.44fa977402019@cs1.alpha12.l-secure.net> <1157305677.31814.4.camel@DaveLap> <20060904135251.GA28377@palantir8> Message-ID: <1157401882.10617.7.camel@DaveLap> On Mon, 2006-09-04 at 14:52 +0100, Martin Habets wrote: > On Mon, Sep 04, 2006 at 11:46:04AM +1000, Loki Davison wrote: > > >As far as the /etc/services thing, I think I'm going to drop that entry, > > >join the 21st century and use ZeroConf (via Avahi) to solve this problem > > >(which is exactly the problem zeroconf was meant to solve) - bonus > > >points for working over a network as well, which /etc/services doesn't. > > > > > >If anyone has any serious objections to Lash depending on Avahi, speak > > >now or forever hold your peace... > > I'm all for the idea of joining the 21st century, but Avahi is a crap piece > of bloatware that only works properly on PC architectures. > > > avahi... zeroconf... sounds useful, maybe even for something else, > > like osc service discovery with liboscqs? :) > > I've tried to add support for avahi to liboscqs, but found the API to > convoluted for the goal. Basically I'd have create yet another thread > for this, and that is too costly for my liking. > > If I get a chance I'll implement the MDNS publish packet directly, that way > it should work with all implementations. It's just a UDP packet anyways. > To me the 21st century way of discovering services is via nss-mdns, but not > everyone has that yet. I was under the impression the "mdns" stuff was the same protocol? -DR- From drobilla at connect.carleton.ca Mon Sep 4 16:33:45 2006 From: drobilla at connect.carleton.ca (Dave Robillard) Date: Mon Sep 4 16:34:36 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Lashd won't start. In-Reply-To: <1157401416.17347.100.camel@mindpipe> References: <20060830155422.2bd166a7@localhost> <20060902152336.3910f503@localhost> <44F9FB21.4010703@ichthyostega.de> <44F9FE21.7040009@sbcglobal.net> <20060903035810.GM4042@localdomain> <1157273460.44fa977402019@cs1.alpha12.l-secure.net> <1157305677.31814.4.camel@DaveLap> <1157401416.17347.100.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <1157402025.10617.10.camel@DaveLap> On Mon, 2006-09-04 at 16:23 -0400, Lee Revell wrote: > On Sun, 2006-09-03 at 13:47 -0400, Dave Robillard wrote: > > As far as the /etc/services thing, I think I'm going to drop that entry, > > join the 21st century and use ZeroConf (via Avahi) to solve this problem > > (which is exactly the problem zeroconf was meant to solve) - bonus > > points for working over a network as well, which /etc/services doesn't. > > > > If anyone has any serious objections to Lash depending on Avahi, speak > > now or forever hold your peace... > > Did you ever register the LASH service with IANA? Nope. TBH I don't particularly want to. I plan on OSCifying LASH one of these days which would make it a different (enough) service, and it's not (by a long shot) the only LAD thing that needs this problem solved, and most of those don't have registering with the IANA as an option (eg basically any app that uses OSC whatsoever). Might as well solve it right.. -DR- From drobilla at connect.carleton.ca Mon Sep 4 16:35:41 2006 From: drobilla at connect.carleton.ca (Dave Robillard) Date: Mon Sep 4 16:36:45 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Midi to OSC routing In-Reply-To: <1157403705.8292.11.camel@localhost> References: <1157385467.6006.10.camel@localhost> <1157403705.8292.11.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <1157402141.10617.13.camel@DaveLap> On Mon, 2006-09-04 at 21:01 +0000, Stefano Barbi wrote: > On Mon, 2006-09-04 at 19:59 +0200, Carlo Capocasa wrote: > > The only thing I'm aware of is that the Om synth has plans to > > incorporate MIDI patching, and since it supports both MIDI and OSC it > > might be a solution. > > Do you mean that Om could actually be used as a router and forward > incoming messages to any OSC server? that would be intresting, although > I agree with you that a standalone app would be more suitable.. There is already MIDI patching (though no support for plugins that can make use of it, but LV2 is solving that as we speak), but no OSC patching. That will be around soon though, it's basically trivial to implement, being the same as MIDI as far as Om (now Ingen) is concerned. Short answer: no, you can't do that, but you will be able to in the future. -DR- From james at dis-dot-dat.net Mon Sep 4 18:17:05 2006 From: james at dis-dot-dat.net (james@dis-dot-dat.net) Date: Mon Sep 4 18:14:35 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Some Random Thoughts In-Reply-To: <200609041832.57299.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> References: <20060830155422.2bd166a7@localhost> <20060902152336.3910f503@localhost> <200609041832.57299.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> Message-ID: <20060904221705.GY9620@fitz.Belkin> On Mon, 04 Sep, 2006 at 06:32PM +0100, tim hall spake thus: > On Saturday 02 September 2006 15:23, Folderol was like: > > I was very interested in the replies here. It seems there is quite a > > lot of consensus. > > > > So does that mean I'm less strange than I thought I was, or that there > > are more strange people? > > It's not unusual to be unusual anymore ... Sung like Tom Jones? From folderol at ukfsn.org Mon Sep 4 18:25:39 2006 From: folderol at ukfsn.org (Folderol) Date: Mon Sep 4 18:25:47 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Some Random Thoughts In-Reply-To: <20060904221705.GY9620@fitz.Belkin> References: <20060830155422.2bd166a7@localhost> <20060902152336.3910f503@localhost> <200609041832.57299.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> <20060904221705.GY9620@fitz.Belkin> Message-ID: <20060904232539.5510f75d@localhost> On Mon, 4 Sep 2006 23:17:05 +0100 james@dis-dot-dat.net wrote: > On Mon, 04 Sep, 2006 at 06:32PM +0100, tim hall spake thus: > > On Saturday 02 September 2006 15:23, Folderol was like: > > > I was very interested in the replies here. It seems there is quite a > > > lot of consensus. > > > > > > So does that mean I'm less strange than I thought I was, or that there > > > are more strange people? > > > > It's not unusual to be unusual anymore ... > > Sung like Tom Jones? Oh? Has he learnt to sing now? :D -- Will J G From cesare at poeticstudios.com Mon Sep 4 20:57:51 2006 From: cesare at poeticstudios.com (Cesare Marilungo) Date: Mon Sep 4 18:58:41 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Sample rates > 44100 with Edirol UA-25 Message-ID: <44FCCB8F.8090000@poeticstudios.com> After more than a year of using this device, I've found that I cannot run it at 48KHz, or 96KHz. cat /proc/asound/card1/stream0 return: EDIROL UA-25 at usb-0000:00:10.0-1, full speed : USB Audio Playback: Status: Stop Interface 0 Altset 1 Format: S24_3LE Channels: 2 Endpoint: 1 OUT (ADAPTIVE) Rates: 44100 - 44100 (continuous) Capture: Status: Stop Interface 1 Altset 1 Format: S24_3LE Channels: 2 Endpoint: 2 IN (ASYNC) Rates: 44100 - 44100 (continuous) Doesn't snd-usb-audio support higher sample rates for this device? Reading the source code I guess it should, but it isn't working here. I know other people on this list use it. Any clue? Ciao, c. -- www.cesaremarilungo.com On the Internet, no one knows you're using Windows NT -- Submitted by Ramiro Estrugo, restrugo@fateware.com From fons.adriaensen at skynet.be Mon Sep 4 19:29:22 2006 From: fons.adriaensen at skynet.be (Fons Adriaensen) Date: Mon Sep 4 19:28:01 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Sample rates > 44100 with Edirol UA-25 In-Reply-To: <44FCCB8F.8090000@poeticstudios.com> References: <44FCCB8F.8090000@poeticstudios.com> Message-ID: <20060904232922.GB6577@linux-1.site> On Tue, Sep 05, 2006 at 12:57:51AM +0000, Cesare Marilungo wrote: > After more than a year of using this device, I've found that I cannot > run it at 48KHz, or 96KHz. > ... > Doesn't snd-usb-audio support higher sample rates for this device? > Reading the source code I guess it should, but it isn't working here. I have an UA-2 which is similar, and it works perfectly at 48 and 96 kHz. In fact it works a lot better (much lower latency possible) at these rates than at 44.1 kHz. For the UA-2, if you change the sample frequency or mode, this involves setting a hardware switch on the device, and then restarting snd-usb-audio by a 'modprobe snd-usb-audio'. -- FA Lascia la spina, cogli la rosa. From capocasa at gmx.net Mon Sep 4 19:50:10 2006 From: capocasa at gmx.net (Carlo Capocasa) Date: Mon Sep 4 19:50:30 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Sample rates > 44100 with Edirol UA-25 In-Reply-To: <44FCCB8F.8090000@poeticstudios.com> References: <44FCCB8F.8090000@poeticstudios.com> Message-ID: I have a FA-101 with which I had a similar issue... all I had to do to fix it was to re-program myself to re-start the device after switching sample rates. Ah, it's good to be running open source software in one's own mind... Carlo From capocasa at gmx.net Mon Sep 4 19:52:56 2006 From: capocasa at gmx.net (Carlo Capocasa) Date: Mon Sep 4 19:55:15 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Favorite way to browse the list In-Reply-To: <20060903124449.07660a33@mistral.stie> References: <20060903124449.07660a33@mistral.stie> Message-ID: I also use gmane and only gmane, and only with the newsgroup interface. It just works so darn well... and right in thunderbird. Carlo lanas schrieb: > Folks, > > E-mail at home can be retrieved by two systems, so it happens that > sometimes I do not read replies (or miss them for some time) because > they are on the other machine that I don't use much. > > So, what would be the nicest http way to browse this mailing list > messages (with thread-following option) out there on the internet ? > > Thanks, > Al > From capocasa at gmx.net Mon Sep 4 19:51:51 2006 From: capocasa at gmx.net (Carlo Capocasa) Date: Mon Sep 4 20:00:28 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Sample rates > 44100 with Edirol UA-25 In-Reply-To: <20060904232922.GB6577@linux-1.site> References: <44FCCB8F.8090000@poeticstudios.com> <20060904232922.GB6577@linux-1.site> Message-ID: > For the UA-2, if you change the sample frequency or mode, this involves > setting a hardware switch on the device, and then restarting snd-usb-audio > by a 'modprobe snd-usb-audio'. That's interesting. I usually re-started the device on my FA-101. Maybe the module auto-loaders triggered by that was what really was necessary, not the device re-starting. Ah, the joy of knowledge going easy on the power converters... From lanas at securenet.net Mon Sep 4 21:39:11 2006 From: lanas at securenet.net (lanas) Date: Mon Sep 4 21:39:57 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Connecting a MIDI keyboard Message-ID: <20060904213911.61931c61@mistral.stie> Folks, What looked simple is not. I have this Yamaha Psr-260 keyboard. I want to use it to play the ZynAddSubFX synth (one of these days I'll know how to write that name I guess, if only by multiple repeated tries). So I start a MIDI cable from the OUT of the keyboard and connect it to the IN MIDI jack of the M-Audio 1010LT card. So far so good I guess. Then I start jack using Qjackctl, and press the green button. I also start the ZynSubAddFX synth (looks like a Polish name, guess that was the spiritual connection) and it shows up in the jack connect dialog box, which looks like this: Readable Clients / Output Ports + 14LMidi Through - 16:M Audio Delta 1010LT MIDI 0:M Audio Delta 1010LT MIDI Writable Clients / Input Ports - 129:ZynSubAddFX 0: ZynAddSubFX So I connect the last two entries together. The Zyn synth panel shows MIDI channel 1 selected. Jack uses the ALSA driver. I play a few notes on the keyboard and only the built-in Yamaha sounds are resounding, no Zyn. If I use the Zyn virtual keyboard, I can hear the software synth all right. The mic input of the 1010LT works fine, as well as the rendering of sounds made by Zyn and Hydrogen. So I presume the card is OK. Maybe the MIDI cable is not, so I changed it. To no avail. Systems are Fedora 5 CCRMA and Studio64. Is there something else to be done in order to use a MIDI keyboard to trigger sounds created by the Linux box ? Or should I start to think that the keyboard itself is somehow damaged ? Al From bourdon at kabelfoon.net Tue Sep 5 01:35:50 2006 From: bourdon at kabelfoon.net (Bert Visser) Date: Tue Sep 5 01:35:54 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Connecting a MIDI keyboard In-Reply-To: <20060904213911.61931c61@mistral.stie> References: <20060904213911.61931c61@mistral.stie> Message-ID: <44FD0CB6.8080201@kabelfoon.net> Hello, Try to connect the ports 16:M Audio and 129:ZynAdd. Don't forget you also have to connect the ZynAdd to the alsa_pcm on the audio tab. If you want to check if there are any events sent you could install kmidimon (it's in the CCRMA repo) and connect this to the Yamaha. Greetings, Bert > Folks, > > What looked simple is not. I have this Yamaha Psr-260 keyboard. I > want to use it to play the ZynAddSubFX synth (one of these days I'll > know how to write that name I guess, if only by multiple repeated > tries). > > So I start a MIDI cable from the OUT of the keyboard and connect it > to the IN MIDI jack of the M-Audio 1010LT card. So far so good I guess. > > Then I start jack using Qjackctl, and press the green button. I also > start the ZynSubAddFX synth (looks like a Polish name, guess that was > the spiritual connection) and it shows up in the jack connect dialog > box, which looks like this: > > Readable Clients / Output Ports > > + 14LMidi Through > - 16:M Audio Delta 1010LT MIDI > 0:M Audio Delta 1010LT MIDI > > Writable Clients / Input Ports > > - 129:ZynSubAddFX > 0: ZynAddSubFX > > So I connect the last two entries together. The Zyn synth panel > shows MIDI channel 1 selected. Jack uses the ALSA driver. > > I play a few notes on the keyboard and only the built-in Yamaha > sounds are resounding, no Zyn. If I use the Zyn virtual keyboard, I > can hear the software synth all right. > > The mic input of the 1010LT works fine, as well as the rendering > of sounds made by Zyn and Hydrogen. So I presume the card is OK. Maybe > the MIDI cable is not, so I changed it. To no avail. > > Systems are Fedora 5 CCRMA and Studio64. > > Is there something else to be done in order to use a MIDI keyboard to > trigger sounds created by the Linux box ? Or should I start to think > that the keyboard itself is somehow damaged ? > > Al > > From tech at glastonburymusic.org.uk Tue Sep 5 03:39:41 2006 From: tech at glastonburymusic.org.uk (tim hall) Date: Tue Sep 5 03:40:05 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Some Random Thoughts In-Reply-To: <20060904221705.GY9620@fitz.Belkin> References: <20060830155422.2bd166a7@localhost> <200609041832.57299.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> <20060904221705.GY9620@fitz.Belkin> Message-ID: <200609050839.41863.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> On Monday 04 September 2006 23:17, james@dis-dot-dat.net was like: > On Mon, 04 Sep, 2006 at 06:32PM +0100, tim hall spake thus: > > On Saturday 02 September 2006 15:23, Folderol was like: > > > I was very interested in the replies here. It seems there is quite a > > > lot of consensus. > > > > > > So does that mean I'm less strange than I thought I was, or that there > > > are more strange people? > > > > It's not unusual to be unusual anymore ... > > Sung like Tom Jones? Uh yeah. It's a quote from Captain Space Toad to be precise. -- cheers, tim hall http://glastonburymusic.org.uk/tim We are the people We've been waiting for. From ivalladolidt at terra.es Tue Sep 5 03:42:53 2006 From: ivalladolidt at terra.es (Ismael Valladolid Torres) Date: Tue Sep 5 03:43:05 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Connecting a MIDI keyboard In-Reply-To: <44FD0CB6.8080201@kabelfoon.net> References: <20060904213911.61931c61@mistral.stie> <44FD0CB6.8080201@kabelfoon.net> Message-ID: <20060905074253.GB25510@spma33.madrid.oberthurcs.com> Bert Visser escribe: > Don't forget you also have to connect the ZynAdd to the alsa_pcm on the > audio tab. He's telling it sounds using the ZynAdd builtin keyboard so for sure it's connected to the alsa_pcm by default. Cordially, Ismael -- Ismael Valladolid Torres "Il est vain de pleurer sur l'esprit, il suffit de travailler pour lui." Albert Camus http://digitrazos.info/ http://lamediahostia.blogspot.com/ OpenPGP key ID: 0xDE721AF4 From debian at fastwebnet.it Tue Sep 5 05:27:25 2006 From: debian at fastwebnet.it (Antonio) Date: Tue Sep 5 05:27:18 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Connecting a MIDI keyboard In-Reply-To: <20060904213911.61931c61@mistral.stie> References: <20060904213911.61931c61@mistral.stie> Message-ID: <20060905112725.39d82982@fulmine> Hi, Mon, 4 Sep 2006 21:39:11 -0400 lanas ha scritto: > Folks, > > What looked simple is not. I have this Yamaha Psr-260 keyboard. I > want to use it to play the ZynAddSubFX synth (one of these days I'll > know how to write that name I guess, if only by multiple repeated > tries). > > So I start a MIDI cable from the OUT of the keyboard and connect it > to the IN MIDI jack of the M-Audio 1010LT card. So far so good I > guess. This is only an hard guess. The first time I've connected the midi cable to my keyboard I took some time to discover that the INPUT plug had to be plugged in the MIDI-OUTPUT keybord port, and the OUTPUT plug to the MIDI-INPUT port on the keyboard. > > Then I start jack using Qjackctl, and press the green button. I > also start the ZynSubAddFX synth (looks like a Polish name, guess > that was the spiritual connection) and it shows up in the jack > connect dialog box, which looks like this: > > Readable Clients / Output Ports > > + 14LMidi Through > - 16:M Audio Delta 1010LT MIDI > 0:M Audio Delta 1010LT MIDI > > Writable Clients / Input Ports > > - 129:ZynSubAddFX > 0: ZynAddSubFX > > So I connect the last two entries together. The Zyn synth panel > shows MIDI channel 1 selected. Jack uses the ALSA driver. From the panel window you should see a moving graph-bar if you were sending midi notes on some channel, even if you can hear the sound only if the corresponding channel is activated (via the check box). > I play a few notes on the keyboard and only the built-in Yamaha > sounds are resounding, no Zyn. If I use the Zyn virtual keyboard, I > can hear the software synth all right. > > The mic input of the 1010LT works fine, as well as the rendering > of sounds made by Zyn and Hydrogen. So I presume the card is OK. > Maybe the MIDI cable is not, so I changed it. To no avail. > > Systems are Fedora 5 CCRMA and Studio64. > > Is there something else to be done in order to use a MIDI keyboard > to trigger sounds created by the Linux box ? Or should I start to > think that the keyboard itself is somehow damaged ? There is anything special to do. Check if your keyboard is actually sending some midi note through the cable. My 0.02 ? cents. Cheers, ~ Antonio From tech at glastonburymusic.org.uk Tue Sep 5 05:32:58 2006 From: tech at glastonburymusic.org.uk (tim hall) Date: Tue Sep 5 05:33:08 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] That Windows feeling... In-Reply-To: <20060904190540.GB11186@replic.net> References: <20060904120301.77744289@mistral.stie> <20060904145240.61859f62@mistral.stie> <20060904190540.GB11186@replic.net> Message-ID: <200609051032.58360.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> On Monday 04 September 2006 20:05, carmen was like: (Ianas originally said:) > > I find it deceiving that > > in 2006 there are still some basic problems with the major flagship > > distros. > > whoever said SuSE and FEdora were flagship? flagship distros are debian, > gentoo, and ubuntu, with arch and mandriva rounding out the top 5. or > REdHat/Novell in the corporate world. Fedora is just redhat's lame attempt > to offload work on RedHat to others by emulating the debian model > unsuccessfuly. In your opinion. The term 'flagship distro' isn't really common parlance, so it doesn't really make sense arguing the point. There are plenty of people on this list happily using SuSE and Fedora+PlanetCCRMA to make music. Your reasoning sucks. > nobody said you had to try Studio64, Musix, Agnula, Demudi, StudioToGo, > PCLinuxOS, UbuntuStudio, or wahtever 'derived from another distro and > improved but still proably not fully working \'music out-of-the-box\' > support'. You are not comparing like with like here at all. DeMuDi and UbuntuStudio are simply methods of installing and configuring Debian and Ubuntu respectively for multimedia use - Musix and Studio to Go! are live CDs AFAIA. 64studio is a Debian derived distro specifically aimed at 64bit architecture, but it has not been declared stable yet, so it deserves to be given a bit more slack. Ubuntu is also a Debian derived distro. Agnula, incidentally, is not a distro at all, it's a European free software consortium, which currently maintains DeMuDi. Off-the-wall misinformation doesn't help anyone come to an informed decision. None of the major distros provide a low-latency kernel or realtime security model that works out of the box, hence the development of DeMuDi, PlanetCCRMA, UbuntuStudio, Gentoo's pro-audio overlay and the proliferation of various derived distributions and live CDs. These approaches are frequently recommended by people on this list, because we tried them and they worked for us. None of this software comes with any guarantees and the developers are often not working to any kind of mutually agreed timeline, which means that distro maintainers frequently have to juggle applications in varying states of compatibility. For this reason, most stable software collections use older versions of applications, which don't have all the latest features and may still contain bugs which are considered non-critical. Linux is essentially a DIY approach to computing, what you don't pay for in money, you pay for in time, effort and reading. I think it's a fair deal. The other payback is that we on this list learn to become efficient beta-testers and submit useful bug reports rather than making unqualified complaints. -- cheers, tim hall http://glastonburymusic.org.uk/tim We are the people We've been waiting for. From capocasa at gmx.net Tue Sep 5 06:25:16 2006 From: capocasa at gmx.net (Carlo Capocasa) Date: Tue Sep 5 06:26:17 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Connecting a MIDI keyboard In-Reply-To: <20060904213911.61931c61@mistral.stie> References: <20060904213911.61931c61@mistral.stie> Message-ID: Interesting. Try a program like shelljam or vkeybd to generate some MIDI events from the keyboard to the ALSA sequencer (and into Zyn). If that works, you know you're connecting things right. Then, use a sequencer like seq24 or rosegarden to record some MIDI events off vkeybd. If that works, try the same thing with your Yamaha keyboard. If it doesn't work now there might be something wrong hardware side, perhaps a foul cable. If it doesn work you need to correct something in the drivers. Perhaps connecting to MIDI-Thru and out of it might give better results. You can also try a different synth like fluidsynth or hydrogen. If that works but Zyn doesn't there might be a compilation bug or something like that. (as you noticed I got used to saying 'Zyn'. That much easier :) Carlo From pshirkey at boosthardware.com Tue Sep 5 06:26:06 2006 From: pshirkey at boosthardware.com (Patrick Shirkey) Date: Tue Sep 5 06:27:24 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] M-Audio omnistudio USb jackd issues In-Reply-To: <44FC81E0.5070007@99b.org> References: <44FB6C49.5090409@99b.org> <44FB95B4.9020807@boosthardware.com> <44FB9CF1.7070100@99b.org> <44FBA00C.6040003@boosthardware.com> <44FC7D52.1080200@99b.org> <44FC81E0.5070007@99b.org> Message-ID: <44FD50BE.60006@boosthardware.com> Chris Abbott wrote: > > Is it possible that Jack is sending the right information to get the > sample format. I think I read somewhere that jack sends out stuff like > S24_LE and according to the cats, the device identifies its 24-bit and > others as S24_3LE. > IIUC Jack is supposed to do the above but it may not be setup to work with the omnistudio. AFAIK no one else has used it with jack before. The sample rates are the same as the usb quattro from the same era and it works for me with 16 bit playback at 44100. I use this commandline for standard use: jackd -v -R -d alsa -d hw:1 -p 2048 -r 44100 -n3 -S -P hth. -- Patrick Shirkey - Boost Hardware Ltd. Http://www.boosthardware.com Http://lau.linuxaudio.org - The Linux Audio Users guide ======================================== "Anything your mind can see you can manifest physically, then it will become reality" - Macka B From capocasa at gmx.net Tue Sep 5 07:43:00 2006 From: capocasa at gmx.net (Carlo Capocasa) Date: Tue Sep 5 07:43:32 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] FreeBob with Roland FA-101 on Ubuntu Message-ID: Hi, I sort of got my Edirol FA-101 running on Ubuntu 6.06 with a custom kernel as discribed on UbuntuStudio.com. I compiled libraw1394, libiieclibraw1394, libiiec61883, libfreebob and jack from subversion. Now I can access my card; however, on starting jack with the -R switch, the system hangs. Also, in QJackCtl, there is no entry for the freebob backed, which forces me to do connections from the console. Additionally, I need to sudo jack for it to recognize the device. Help greatly appreciated Carlo Capocasa From nescivi at gmail.com Tue Sep 5 08:02:11 2006 From: nescivi at gmail.com (Marije Baalman) Date: Tue Sep 5 08:10:35 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Midi to OSC routing In-Reply-To: <1157385467.6006.10.camel@localhost> References: <1157385467.6006.10.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <200609051402.11957.nescivi@gmail.com> On Monday 04 September 2006 17:57, Stefano Barbi wrote: > Dear all, > I was looking for an application able to filter and route MIDI messages, > such as cc messages from a MIDI controller, to the OSC controls of an > instrument. Obviously, such application should be able to store and > retrieve mappings between MIDI and OSC. Do you know if anything of that > kind exists? You can do this with SuperCollider. sincerely, Marije From cladisch at fastmail.net Tue Sep 5 08:36:18 2006 From: cladisch at fastmail.net (Clemens Ladisch) Date: Tue Sep 5 08:36:27 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Connecting a MIDI keyboard In-Reply-To: <20060904213911.61931c61@mistral.stie> References: <20060904213911.61931c61@mistral.stie> Message-ID: <1157459778.23408.270157539@webmail.messagingengine.com> lanas wrote: > What looked simple is not. I have this Yamaha Psr-260 keyboard. I > want to use it to play the ZynAddSubFX synth. > > So I start a MIDI cable from the OUT of the keyboard and connect it > to the IN MIDI jack of the M-Audio 1010LT card. So far so good I guess. OK. > Then I start jack using Qjackctl, and press the green button. I also > start the ZynSubAddFX synth and it shows up in the jack connect dialog > box, which looks like this: > > Readable Clients / Output Ports > > + 14LMidi Through > - 16:M Audio Delta 1010LT MIDI > 0:M Audio Delta 1010LT MIDI > > Writable Clients / Input Ports > > - 129:ZynSubAddFX > 0: ZynAddSubFX > > So I connect the last two entries together. > > I play a few notes on the keyboard and only the built-in Yamaha > sounds are resounding, no Zyn. Please check that your keyboard is configured to send data to its MIDI Out. When you can hear the built-in sounds, "Local Off" isn't enabled. Use "aseqdump -p 16:0" to check if the Delta ports receives any data. HTH Clemens From ivalladolidt at terra.es Tue Sep 5 09:17:59 2006 From: ivalladolidt at terra.es (Ismael Valladolid Torres) Date: Tue Sep 5 09:19:17 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Rlimits-aware PAM on Debian etch Message-ID: <20060905131759.GB1248@spma33> Right now libpam-modules version available for Debian etch is 0.79-3.1. Does anybody know if this version is rlimits-aware or if it needs to be patched? Cordially, Ismael -- Ismael Valladolid Torres "Il est vain de pleurer sur l'esprit, il suffit de travailler pour lui." Albert Camus http://digitrazos.info/ http://lamediahostia.blogspot.com/ OpenPGP key ID: 0xDE721AF4 From rncbc at rncbc.org Tue Sep 5 09:52:17 2006 From: rncbc at rncbc.org (Rui Nuno Capela) Date: Tue Sep 5 09:53:31 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] FreeBob with Roland FA-101 on Ubuntu In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <31891.194.65.103.1.1157464337.squirrel@www.rncbc.org> On Tue, September 5, 2006 12:43, Carlo Capocasa wrote: > > I sort of got my Edirol FA-101 running on Ubuntu 6.06 with a custom > kernel as discribed on UbuntuStudio.com. > > I compiled libraw1394, libiieclibraw1394, libiiec61883, libfreebob and > jack from subversion. Now I can access my card; however, on starting jack > with the -R switch, the system hangs. Also, in QJackCtl, there is no entry > for the freebob backed, which forces me to do connections from the > console. QjackCtl from CVS HEAD [qjackctl 0.2.20.17] is freebob ready. Unfortunately I have no FW audio to test the freebob stack. Please try whether it works for you. A convenient source tarball can be grabbed from here: http://www.rncbc.org/jack/qjackctl-0.2.20.17.tar.gz Cheers. -- rncbc aka Rui Nuno Capela rncbc@rncbc.org From pieterp at joow.be Tue Sep 5 09:57:58 2006 From: pieterp at joow.be (Pieter Palmers) Date: Tue Sep 5 09:58:08 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] FreeBob with Roland FA-101 on Ubuntu In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <44FD8266.8030006@joow.be> Carlo Capocasa wrote: > Hi, > > I sort of got my Edirol FA-101 running on Ubuntu 6.06 with a custom > kernel as discribed on UbuntuStudio.com. > > I compiled libraw1394, libiieclibraw1394, libiiec61883, libfreebob and > jack from subversion. Now I can access my card; however, on starting > jack with the -R switch, the system hangs. Also, in QJackCtl, there is > no entry for the freebob backed, which forces me to do connections from > the console. Additionally, I need to sudo jack for it to recognize the > device. > 1) Hang: Don't compile the kernel with realtime preemption but with desktop preemption and the hang will go away. It's a bug in the RT patch. 2) QJackCtl: start qjackctl after starting jackd with the freebob backend on the command line or use qjackctl from it's cvs as it has support for freebob built in. Greets, Pieter From mcconville.steve at gmail.com Tue Sep 5 10:56:30 2006 From: mcconville.steve at gmail.com (Steve McConville) Date: Tue Sep 5 10:56:39 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Midi to OSC routing In-Reply-To: <200609051402.11957.nescivi@gmail.com> References: <1157385467.6006.10.camel@localhost> <200609051402.11957.nescivi@gmail.com> Message-ID: <56652bc0609050756ib306c8ej3ee2386a6b3b82b7@mail.gmail.com> Just for completeness, there are OSC and MIDI opcodes in Csound 5 as well, but it would probably take more work than the other solutions if you are unfamiliar with it. On 05/09/06, Marije Baalman wrote: > On Monday 04 September 2006 17:57, Stefano Barbi wrote: > > Dear all, > > I was looking for an application able to filter and route MIDI messages, > > such as cc messages from a MIDI controller, to the OSC controls of an > > instrument. Obviously, such application should be able to store and > > retrieve mappings between MIDI and OSC. Do you know if anything of that > > kind exists? > > You can do this with SuperCollider. > > sincerely, > Marije > -- steev(); http://ruccas.org/wiki.pl/Mal-0x From cesare at poeticstudios.com Tue Sep 5 13:00:37 2006 From: cesare at poeticstudios.com (Cesare Marilungo) Date: Tue Sep 5 11:00:59 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Sample rates > 44100 with Edirol UA-25 _SOLVED_ In-Reply-To: References: <44FCCB8F.8090000@poeticstudios.com> Message-ID: <44FDAD35.8030802@poeticstudios.com> Now it is working. =-O I don't really know why it wasn't yesterday. Thanks, c. Carlo Capocasa wrote: >I have a FA-101 with which I had a similar issue... all I had to do to >fix it was to re-program myself to re-start the device after switching >sample rates. > >Ah, it's good to be running open source software in one's own mind... > >Carlo > > > > > -- www.cesaremarilungo.com On the Internet, no one knows you're using Windows NT -- Submitted by Ramiro Estrugo, restrugo@fateware.com From drucer99 at yahoo.com Tue Sep 5 12:02:57 2006 From: drucer99 at yahoo.com (Drucer Ninetynine) Date: Tue Sep 5 12:03:06 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Installing LADSPA on modern systems Message-ID: <20060905160257.98923.qmail@web52210.mail.yahoo.com> Hi, I noticed that the latest LADSPA release is getting quite old. It's from year 2002 and thus it is not probably a trivial task to compile it on new systems. Is it safe to install LADSPA SDK by copying "ladspa.h" file to /usr/include and then copying the precompiled plugins file "cmt.so" to /usr/lib/ladspa and running "ldconfig"? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From illth at gmx.de Tue Sep 5 13:00:33 2006 From: illth at gmx.de (Thomas Ilnseher) Date: Tue Sep 5 13:00:44 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Installing LADSPA on modern systems In-Reply-To: <20060905160257.98923.qmail@web52210.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20060905160257.98923.qmail@web52210.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <44FDAD31.3010901@gmx.de> Drucer Ninetynine wrote: > Hi, I noticed that the latest LADSPA release is > getting quite old. It's from year 2002 and thus it is > not probably a trivial task to compile it on new > systems. Is it safe to install LADSPA SDK by copying > "ladspa.h" file to /usr/include and then copying the > precompiled plugins file "cmt.so" to /usr/lib/ladspa > and running "ldconfig"? > is there no package (rpm, deb, ...) for your distribution? it's alway safe to install a a package for your distro. > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > From drucer99 at yahoo.com Tue Sep 5 13:53:44 2006 From: drucer99 at yahoo.com (Drucer Ninetynine) Date: Tue Sep 5 13:53:55 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Installing LADSPA on modern systems In-Reply-To: <44FDAD31.3010901@gmx.de> Message-ID: <20060905175344.72104.qmail@web52203.mail.yahoo.com> --- Thomas Ilnseher wrote: > is there no package (rpm, deb, ...) for your > distribution? > it's alway safe to install a a package for your > distro. No, there isn't. I want to control everything about my system. This way there is hardly anything that annoys me. Precompiled distributions just don't give the same sense of freedom. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From nomoa at wanadoo.fr Tue Sep 5 13:59:15 2006 From: nomoa at wanadoo.fr (David Causse) Date: Tue Sep 5 13:59:23 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Rlimits-aware PAM on Debian etch In-Reply-To: <20060905131759.GB1248@spma33> References: <20060905131759.GB1248@spma33> Message-ID: <44FDBAF3.50404@wanadoo.fr> Ismael Valladolid Torres wrote: > Right now libpam-modules version available for Debian etch is > 0.79-3.1. Does anybody know if this version is rlimits-aware or if it > needs to be patched? > > libpam-modules_0.79-3.2_i386.deb is not rlimit aware I found a debian package that is rlimit aware at : http://seite9.de/~burkhard/pam_debian_rlimits/ David. > Cordially, Ismael > From listreader at lupulin.net Tue Sep 5 15:17:53 2006 From: listreader at lupulin.net (paul wisehart) Date: Tue Sep 5 15:18:27 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Installing LADSPA on modern systems In-Reply-To: <20060905175344.72104.qmail@web52203.mail.yahoo.com> References: <44FDAD31.3010901@gmx.de> <20060905175344.72104.qmail@web52203.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20060905191753.GA2993@clove.office.techtarget.com> On Tue, Sep 05, 2006 at 10:53:44AM -0700, Drucer Ninetynine wrote: > --- Thomas Ilnseher wrote: > > > is there no package (rpm, deb, ...) for your > > distribution? > > it's alway safe to install a a package for your > > distro. > > No, there isn't. I want to control everything about my > system. This way there is hardly anything that annoys > me. Precompiled distributions just don't give the same > sense of freedom. > http://www.ubergeek.tv/article.php?pid=54 -- paul w From paul at linuxaudiosystems.com Tue Sep 5 15:14:01 2006 From: paul at linuxaudiosystems.com (Paul Davis) Date: Tue Sep 5 15:19:46 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Installing LADSPA on modern systems In-Reply-To: <20060905175344.72104.qmail@web52203.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20060905175344.72104.qmail@web52203.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1157483641.15568.70.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Tue, 2006-09-05 at 10:53 -0700, Drucer Ninetynine wrote: > > --- Thomas Ilnseher wrote: > > > is there no package (rpm, deb, ...) for your > > distribution? > > it's alway safe to install a a package for your > > distro. > > No, there isn't. I want to control everything about my > system. This way there is hardly anything that annoys > me. Precompiled distributions just don't give the same > sense of freedom. the core of LADSPA is not compiled. its a header file. there are plugin packages that are compiled, but not LADSPA itself. From steve.cabrera at gmail.com Tue Sep 5 16:25:32 2006 From: steve.cabrera at gmail.com (Steven Cabrera) Date: Tue Sep 5 16:26:03 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Linux Noobie Message-ID: Hi, I'm new to Linux and I need some help getting my sound card working. I have a mac g5 dual 2.3 gHz a M-Audio Delta 44 sound card and Unitor8 midi interface. I have read many articles about alsa but I just can't seem to get the card working. Any help would be appreciated. In fact, I'll sing at your next wedding if you help me get this working :-) Thanks, Steve From steve.cabrera at gmail.com Tue Sep 5 16:42:36 2006 From: steve.cabrera at gmail.com (Steven Cabrera) Date: Tue Sep 5 16:43:18 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Linux Noobie Message-ID: Hi, I'm new to Linux and I need some help getting my sound card working. I have a mac g5 dual 2.3 gHz a M-Audio Delta 44 sound card and Unitor8 midi interface. I have read many articles about alsa but I just can't seem to get the card working. Any help would be appreciated. In fact, I'll sing at your next wedding if you help me get this working :-) Thanks, Steve Oops. I guess I should tell you that I'm running Yellow Dog 4.1 Thanks From link at sumerianbabyl.com Tue Sep 5 16:55:19 2006 From: link at sumerianbabyl.com (Link Swanson) Date: Tue Sep 5 16:55:50 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Linux Noobie In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <44FDE437.6030308@sumerianbabyl.com> Try the envy24control utility to get levels and settings. Just type "envy24control" in the terminal. Steven Cabrera wrote: > Hi, > > I'm new to Linux and I need some help getting my sound card working. I have > a mac g5 dual 2.3 gHz a M-Audio Delta 44 sound card and Unitor8 midi > interface. I have read many articles about alsa but I just can't seem to > get the card working. Any help would be appreciated. In fact, I'll sing at > your next wedding if you help me get this working :-) > > Thanks, > > Steve > > > From capocasa at gmx.net Tue Sep 5 17:59:08 2006 From: capocasa at gmx.net (Carlo Capocasa) Date: Tue Sep 5 18:02:21 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: FreeBob with Roland FA-101 on Ubuntu In-Reply-To: <31891.194.65.103.1.1157464337.squirrel@www.rncbc.org> References: <31891.194.65.103.1.1157464337.squirrel@www.rncbc.org> Message-ID: > QjackCtl from CVS HEAD [qjackctl 0.2.20.17] is freebob ready. > Unfortunately I have no FW audio to test the freebob stack. Please try > whether it works for you. A convenient source tarball can be grabbed from > here: > http://www.rncbc.org/jack/qjackctl-0.2.20.17.tar.gz As you already know from my silly e-mail (I asked Rui how to hack the C++ source to enable 192kHz to which he kindly pointed out I can simply enter the value in the selection list) it works like a charm. I downloaded from CVS earlier on. From capocasa at gmx.net Tue Sep 5 18:02:06 2006 From: capocasa at gmx.net (Carlo Capocasa) Date: Tue Sep 5 18:05:53 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: FreeBob with Roland FA-101 on Ubuntu In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Bottom line: I got FreeBob to work on Dynebolic and will be working with that for Pro Audio until Edgy comes around for all our enjoyment. Carlo > I sort of got my Edirol FA-101 running on Ubuntu 6.06 with a custom > kernel as discribed on UbuntuStudio.com. > > I compiled libraw1394, libiieclibraw1394, libiiec61883, libfreebob and > jack from subversion. Now I can access my card; however, on starting > jack with the -R switch, the system hangs. Also, in QJackCtl, there is > no entry for the freebob backed, which forces me to do connections from > the console. Additionally, I need to sudo jack for it to recognize the > device. From capocasa at gmx.net Tue Sep 5 18:00:31 2006 From: capocasa at gmx.net (Carlo Capocasa) Date: Tue Sep 5 18:10:44 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: FreeBob with Roland FA-101 on Ubuntu In-Reply-To: <44FD8266.8030006@joow.be> References: <44FD8266.8030006@joow.be> Message-ID: > 1) Hang: > Don't compile the kernel with realtime preemption but with desktop > preemption and the hang will go away. It's a bug in the RT patch. Thanks for pointing that one out. > 2) QJackCtl: > start qjackctl after starting jackd with the freebob backend on the > command line > or > use qjackctl from it's cvs as it has support for freebob built in. Done and works! From fbar at footils.org Tue Sep 5 18:16:02 2006 From: fbar at footils.org (Frank Barknecht) Date: Tue Sep 5 18:16:41 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Linux Noobie In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20060905221602.GB5225@fliwatut.scifi> Hallo, Steven Cabrera hat gesagt: // Steven Cabrera wrote: > I'm new to Linux and I need some help getting my sound card working. I have > a mac g5 dual 2.3 gHz a M-Audio Delta 44 sound card and Unitor8 midi > interface. I have read many articles about alsa but I just can't seem to > get the card working. Any help would be appreciated. In fact, I'll sing at > your next wedding if you help me get this working :-) Could you give some more information: What did you try so far? The first thing to check is if the module for the card is loaded. Load it with $ sudo modprobe snd-ice1712 then check the output of "/sbin/lsmod" for any occurence of "snd-ice1712" or "snd_ice1712". What does this command tell you: $ cat /proc/asound/cards It should look somehow like this: 0 [M2496 ]: ICE1712 - M Audio Audiophile 24/96 M Audio Audiophile 24/96 at 0xf500, irq 11 If this is okay, then you need to set the mixer levels, using envy24control or alsamiixer. Ciao -- Frank Barknecht _ ______footils.org_ __goto10.org__ From capocasa at gmx.net Tue Sep 5 18:48:54 2006 From: capocasa at gmx.net (Carlo Capocasa) Date: Tue Sep 5 18:49:30 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Success Report: FreeBob on Dynebolic (with HowTo) Message-ID: Took me quite a while, but I was successful at setting up my Roland FA-101 firewire audio interface on Dynebolic! CHIMES AND MAJESTIC TRUMPETS I downloaded libfreebob from subversion. At the time of writing, libfreebob SVN requires three libraries, libraw1394 1.2.1+, libieee61883 1.1 and libavc1394 0.5.3. These are all newer than the versions shipped with dyne. The first two are in the 'video' module, presumably because of firewire being common among digital video cameras. The last is in the dyne /usr tree. In order to be able to make permanent modifications to the system, I created a dynebolic SDK. -- dynesdk makesdk cp /mnt/cdrom/* /mnt/hd1/1/dyne/SDK/cdrom -R -- Then, I set development mode for 'video' module and deleted the old versions of the libraries inside. -- dynesdk devel video rm -R /opt/video/lib/libraw1394* rm /opt/video/lib/pkgconfig/libfraw1394.pc rm -R /opt/video/include/libfraw1394* rm -R /opt/video/lib/libieee61883* rm /opt/video/lib/pkgconfig/libieee61883.pc rm -R /opt/video/include/libieee61883* dynesdk squash video -- Next, I removed the third library. No mode setting was necessary as this is part of the core system, which will be 'checked out' with a single dynesdk command when all modifications are complete. -- rm -R /usr/lib/libavc1394* rm /usr/lib/pkgconfig/libavc1394.pc rm -R /usr/libavc1394* -- Third, I installed the latest release of libraw1394. I used release versions wherever possible, and this was one of the two cases where it worked out. Downloaded 1.2.1 from http://sourceforge.net/projects/libraw1394 -- tar -xvzf libraw1394-1.2.1.tar.gz cd libraw1394-1.2.1 ./configure --prefix=/usr make make install make dev -- Next, I installed the latest SVN of libieee61883 and built it. -- svn checkout svn://svn.linux1394.org/libiec61883/trunk/ libiec61883 cd libiec61883 autoreconf -f -i -s ./configure --prefix=/usr make make install -- And the latest release of libavc1394. -- tar -xvzf libavc1394-0.5.3.tar.gz cd libavc1394-0.5.3 ./configure --prefix=/usr make make install -- Now, finally, libfreebob from subversion can be installed: -- svn co \ https://svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/freebob/branches/libfreebob-1.0 \ libfreebob cd libfreebob autoreconf -vis ./configure --prefix=/usr make make install -- You can test by running tests/test-freebob discover in the build directory. There should be several pages of output and some information on your device printed somewhere. If it doesn't work out, please go ahead and post here! Now, the latest subversion of jack is necessary in order to properly support freebob, since there were some freebob API changes recently. Note I did not uninstall jack 100.0.0 but trusted the new jack to overwrite since it is installed in the same prefix. -- svn co http://subversion.jackaudio.org/jack/trunk/jack jack cd jack ./autogen.sh --prefix=/usr --with-default-tmpdir=/tmp make make install -- Well, that's it! Test with the following: jackd -d freebob If jack stays running you were successful! Once you have a running jack, you need the latest QJackCtl in order to bring FreeBob support to ease of use: (When prompted for a password after CVS login, simply press return) -- cvs -d:pserver:anonymous@qjackctl.cvs.sourceforge.net:/cvsroot/qjackctl\ login cvs -z3 \ -d:pserver:anonymous@qjackctl.cvs.sourceforge.net:/cvsroot/qjackctl co \ qjackctl cd qjackctl make -f Makefile.cvs ./configure --prefix=/usr make make install -- Now set up QJackCtl according to your favorite parameters: Freebob backend, and probably something along the line of 64 frames per period and 2 periods per buffer. Also set the number of input and output channels to match your sound card. If in doubt, you can run -- jackd -d freebob jack_lsp -- and count the number of channels. And now for that piece of special dyne magic that makes dyne unique in the operating system world! -- dynesdk mkusr dynesdk mkinitrd dynesdk mkiso -- ... and you have a bootable CD image with freebob working. Actually, before you do this, you might want to install some additional software, such as ZynAddSubFX. Stay tuned! I will be releasing a modified version of dyne to suit my needs as a musician, and it might just suit your needs as well. It smells of softsynths and stability, ladies and gentlemen! Thanks for taking the time to read this Carlo PS: Pieter, your help was invaluable, thank you. From will at nabble.com Tue Sep 5 20:21:48 2006 From: will at nabble.com (Will L) Date: Tue Sep 5 20:22:02 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Favorite way to browse the list In-Reply-To: <20060903124449.07660a33@mistral.stie> References: <20060903124449.07660a33@mistral.stie> Message-ID: <6162913.post@talk.nabble.com> Lanas, you can use Nabble http://www.nabble.com/linux-audio-user-f13236.html Will L nabble.com lanas wrote: > > Folks, > > E-mail at home can be retrieved by two systems, so it happens that > sometimes I do not read replies (or miss them for some time) because > they are on the other machine that I don't use much. > > So, what would be the nicest http way to browse this mailing list > messages (with thread-following option) out there on the internet ? > > Thanks, > Al > > -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/Favorite-way-to-browse-the-list-tf2211340.html#a6162913 Sent from the linux-audio-user forum at Nabble.com. From _ at whats-your.name Tue Sep 5 20:25:15 2006 From: _ at whats-your.name (carmen) Date: Tue Sep 5 20:25:25 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Favorite way to browse the list In-Reply-To: <6162913.post@talk.nabble.com> References: <20060903124449.07660a33@mistral.stie> <6162913.post@talk.nabble.com> Message-ID: <20060906002515.GD11186@replic.net> On Tue Sep 05, 2006 at 05:21:48PM -0700, Will L wrote: > > Lanas, you can use Nabble http://www.nabble.com/linux-audio-user-f13236.html > > Will L > nabble.com > > > lanas wrote: > > > > Folks, > > > > E-mail at home can be retrieved by two systems, so it happens that > > sometimes I do not read replies (or miss them for some time) because > > they are on the other machine that I don't use much. have you tried imap? or even sshing into the machine that retrieves the mail? > > > > So, what would be the nicest http way to browse this mailing list > > messages (with thread-following option) out there on the internet ? muttng. via mindterm java applet if you find a web app which is as fast to sort, switch mailboxes, and control via keyboard as muttng, with maildir support.let me know.. already tried nabble, gmane, and google groups.. > > > > Thanks, > > Al > > > > > > -- > View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/Favorite-way-to-browse-the-list-tf2211340.html#a6162913 > Sent from the linux-audio-user forum at Nabble.com. > From nando at ccrma.Stanford.EDU Tue Sep 5 20:48:42 2006 From: nando at ccrma.Stanford.EDU (Fernando Lopez-Lezcano) Date: Tue Sep 5 20:48:52 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] That Windows feeling... In-Reply-To: <20060904120301.77744289@mistral.stie> References: <20060904120301.77744289@mistral.stie> Message-ID: <1157503722.6245.40.camel@cmn3.stanford.edu> On Mon, 2006-09-04 at 12:03 -0400, lanas wrote: > ... but on the bright side, I got some things working, so it's nice to > know that things do work to some extent using the hardware (M-Audio > 1010LT, M-Audio DX4 speakers, Pulsar mic + phantom power) I bought and > the computer (AMD X2 dual-core, MSI K8N Neo4/SLI mobo, 4GB RAM, GeForce > 6600) I got. > > [MUNCH] > > So I installed Fedora 5 i386 and followed the CCRMA steps. This > finally gives results, I can run jack and connect some ins/outs, make > drum beats with Hydrogen, make one sound with this zyn[...] soft synth. > MuSE will run, and so Ardour. So basically now all I have to do is to > learn how to use this stuff (and connect a MIDI keyboard and connect my > preamped accoustic bass guitar). > > It would be that if only Fedora would have nice fonts. It does not. > The screen feeling is set a few years back. Then it tells me that the > screen is 1600x1200 but the other screen resolution app is right: it's > only 1024x768. Even tough it knows the right monitor model. No way to > easily throw this one in 1600x1200. I'm not sure I follow which is which. It tries to send 1600x1200 to a 1024x768 monitor? Or the other way around? Which other app are you refering to? -- Fernando From ivalladolidt at terra.es Wed Sep 6 03:48:21 2006 From: ivalladolidt at terra.es (Ismael Valladolid Torres) Date: Wed Sep 6 03:49:02 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Rlimits-aware PAM on Debian etch In-Reply-To: <44FDBAF3.50404@wanadoo.fr> References: <20060905131759.GB1248@spma33> <44FDBAF3.50404@wanadoo.fr> Message-ID: <20060906074821.GD2028@spma33> David Causse escribe: > libpam-modules_0.79-3.2_i386.deb is not rlimit aware > I found a debian package that is rlimit aware at : > http://seite9.de/~burkhard/pam_debian_rlimits/ Very useful, thanks a lot! Cordially, Ismael -- Ismael Valladolid Torres "Il est vain de pleurer sur l'esprit, il suffit de travailler pour lui." Albert Camus http://digitrazos.info/ http://lamediahostia.blogspot.com/ OpenPGP key ID: 0xDE721AF4 From lanas at securenet.net Wed Sep 6 06:30:36 2006 From: lanas at securenet.net (lanas) Date: Wed Sep 6 06:31:37 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] That Windows feeling... In-Reply-To: <1157503722.6245.40.camel@cmn3.stanford.edu> References: <20060904120301.77744289@mistral.stie> <1157503722.6245.40.camel@cmn3.stanford.edu> Message-ID: <20060906063036.011ea600@mistral.stie> On Tue, 05 Sep 2006 17:48:42 -0700 Fernando Lopez-Lezcano ?crivait: > I'm not sure I follow which is which. It tries to send 1600x1200 to a > 1024x768 monitor? Or the other way around? Which other app are you > refering to? I am using SuSE presently for writing this, so I can't refer to the actual Fedora menus and apps dorectly, but I'll try to describe. In Fedora there are two ways to see and change the screen resolution. The first is called 'Screen Resolution' and does not require root access. The other is called something else and asks you the root password before proceeding. #1 will say the screen is 1024x768, which is quite right, but will offer no other, higher, screen resolutions. #2 will report that the screen is 1600x1200 (which is not). I've configured this one for the proper monitor, which is a Viewsonic VP211B 21.3" TFT. Graphic card is a GeForce 6600. Apart from editing the xorg.conf file directly, I do not see how to get a higher screen resolution than the 1024x768 since the system thinks it has 1600x1200 and offers nothing more than 1024x768. Also, is there any 64-bit version of CCRMA ? Cheers, Al From lanas at securenet.net Wed Sep 6 06:42:43 2006 From: lanas at securenet.net (lanas) Date: Wed Sep 6 06:43:40 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Connecting a MIDI keyboard SOLVED In-Reply-To: <1157459778.23408.270157539@webmail.messagingengine.com> References: <20060904213911.61931c61@mistral.stie> <1157459778.23408.270157539@webmail.messagingengine.com> Message-ID: <20060906064243.5a011277@mistral.stie> On Tue, 05 Sep 2006 14:36:18 +0200 "Clemens Ladisch" wrote: > Use "aseqdump -p 16:0" to check if the Delta ports receives any data. Thanks, this is a great tool. kmidimon was also suggested, but the yum of CCRMA did not find it (even though it is listed) when doing a 'yum install kmidimon'. With aseqdump I finally found out that the pcboard on the Yamaha keyboard is loose and has to be kind of wiggled a bit so as to produce the continuous 'active sensing' MIDI messages displayed by aseqdump. Unless I open it up and solder the pcboard, this is surely not a stable setup ! At times there were no midi off messages sent, so notes were hanging in the Zyn synth. Thanks to everyone for the help. The virtual keyboard was very useful to see what proper reception of MIDI events looks like (without 'active sensing' messages). Thanks, Al From perlanegra.proyect at gmail.com Wed Sep 6 07:31:41 2006 From: perlanegra.proyect at gmail.com (perlanegra proyect) Date: Wed Sep 6 07:31:49 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] finally... my 1st themes made with Linux Message-ID: <311b5a1a0609060431h4e712efbucc64255a52ec863d@mail.gmail.com> hi everybody... hare I am again, after a long long time of to appear here, I've made my first audio work with GNU/LInux... I have to suffer commercial software because of my job, but this summer I've had some spare time to make a serious work with Linux. They are a pair of raw electro themes with no time effects, "dogma sound" like I say... The links are here: http://perlssdj.blogspot.com/2006/09/xtatik-ep-new-electro-single-made-with.html I think Jack is an amazing tool 4 audio creation, I find it very interesting, and very versatile, I feel very comfortable with it now. I've used Ardour too and it's a good tool, but I have a dude... wich software do I need to mix audio 4 video with GNU/Linux ? I'm working on a video and I'd like to mix the sound with free software, maybe should I use Cinelerra? I think I've read something about audio plugins there, but can't remember the details... If somebody can help me, I'd be very pleased to hear u, thanx enjoy the themes, and be free to remix them, they have a CC No Commercial- Share alike, so, u can use them 4 personal projects... May the power be with U... C'ya on the net... ;) (any kind of comment is good, thanx) PerlssDj -- ... visit always http://perlssdj.blogspot.com 4 cool stuff !!... From juuso.alasuutari at tamperelainen.org Wed Sep 6 07:56:19 2006 From: juuso.alasuutari at tamperelainen.org (juuso.alasuutari@tamperelainen.org) Date: Wed Sep 6 07:53:44 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] those funky drums Message-ID: <1157543779.44feb763461d9@cs1.alpha12.l-secure.net> First I'd like to thank all the helpful people on this list, it's valuable to have support like this when starting out with Linux audio. I was especially happy when I was told about Naturalstudio's free drum kit, it's great. Now to get back to the drum business. I personally can't imagine any sound better for drums than that heard on 70's funk records. As good as the ns kit is, I can't help wondering if there are tools out there that would bring out the funk in it. Are there any LADSPA plugins or other software someone could recommend to me? I'm guessing I need something that emulates old tape EQ's and compressors, right? Thanks again, Juuso ---------------------------------------------------------------- This mail sent through L-secure: http://www.l-secure.net/ From drucer99 at yahoo.com Wed Sep 6 09:26:04 2006 From: drucer99 at yahoo.com (Drucer Ninetynine) Date: Wed Sep 6 09:26:12 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Intel Core 2 Duo users already? Message-ID: <20060906132604.22079.qmail@web52213.mail.yahoo.com> Hello again, anybody out there who is already using Intel Core2Duo systems? Share your thoughts! __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From v2 at iki.fi Wed Sep 6 10:08:42 2006 From: v2 at iki.fi (Sampo Savolainen) Date: Wed Sep 6 10:09:09 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Intel Core 2 Duo users already? In-Reply-To: <20060906132604.22079.qmail@web52213.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20060906132604.22079.qmail@web52213.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1157551722.6524.1.camel@puppeli> On Wed, 2006-09-06 at 06:26 -0700, Drucer Ninetynine wrote: > Hello again, anybody out there who is already using > Intel Core2Duo systems? Share your thoughts! I'm not using one yet, but I bit the bullet yesterday and ordered a laptop with a core 2 duo. I'll warn people if I run into problems which might concern all c2d users, but I expect it to be quite smooth sailing. Sampo From jri at broadpark.no Wed Sep 6 10:16:40 2006 From: jri at broadpark.no (Johannes Mario Ringheim) Date: Wed Sep 6 10:16:51 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] finally... my 1st themes made with Linux In-Reply-To: <311b5a1a0609060431h4e712efbucc64255a52ec863d@mail.gmail.com> References: <311b5a1a0609060431h4e712efbucc64255a52ec863d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <44FED848.7090504@broadpark.no> perlanegra proyect wrote: > I have to suffer commercial software because of my job, but this > summer I've had some spare time to make a serious work with Linux. > They are a pair of raw electro themes with no time effects, "dogma > sound" like I say... The links are here: > > http://perlssdj.blogspot.com/2006/09/xtatik-ep-new-electro-single-made-with.html Kinda hardcore/experimental, but I like them! Wouldn't play them in a club, but for me I like this style. What tools have you used? > wich software do I need to mix audio 4 video with GNU/Linux ? I'm > working on a video and I'd like to mix the sound with free software, > maybe should I use Cinelerra? I think I've read something about audio > plugins there, but can't remember the details... If somebody can help > me, I'd be very pleased to hear u, thanx I've been very happy to use xjadeo in jack-sync with ardour for editing sound for videos. Find instructions here (in the readme in the tarball): http://sourceforge.net/projects/xjadeo/ What distro are you using? I've been hunting down packages for some distros, wich might be good to have since it may be a bit hard to compile. -- Ringheims Auto - Fri musikk for bilstereo! http://ringheimsauto.org From loki.davison at gmail.com Wed Sep 6 10:27:28 2006 From: loki.davison at gmail.com (Loki Davison) Date: Wed Sep 6 10:27:36 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: those funky drums In-Reply-To: <1157543779.44feb763461d9@cs1.alpha12.l-secure.net> References: <1157543779.44feb763461d9@cs1.alpha12.l-secure.net> Message-ID: On 9/6/06, juuso.alasuutari@tamperelainen.org wrote: > First I'd like to thank all the helpful people on this list, it's valuable > to > have support like this when starting out with Linux audio. I was especially > happy when I was told about Naturalstudio's free drum kit, it's great. > > Now to get back to the drum business. I personally can't imagine any sound > better for drums than that heard on 70's funk records. As good as the ns kit > is, I can't help wondering if there are tools out there that would bring out > the funk in it. Are there any LADSPA plugins or other software someone could > recommend to me? I'm guessing I need something that emulates old tape EQ's > and > compressors, right? > > Thanks again, > Juuso > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > This mail sent through L-secure: http://www.l-secure.net/ > > might also need to be able to play like a member of the MG's or some other great soul band. ;) I recommend having a go of some drum pads, i.e akai mpd or m-audio trigger fingers. Very, very handy for writting nice drum stuff. Everything sounds so much more natural and alive and it's so much easier to write something interesting. Loki From perlanegra.proyect at gmail.com Wed Sep 6 10:42:57 2006 From: perlanegra.proyect at gmail.com (perlanegra proyect) Date: Wed Sep 6 10:43:06 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] finally... my 1st themes made with Linux In-Reply-To: <44FED848.7090504@broadpark.no> References: <311b5a1a0609060431h4e712efbucc64255a52ec863d@mail.gmail.com> <44FED848.7090504@broadpark.no> Message-ID: <311b5a1a0609060742u41d97c8di990a4bed9d7e7bba@mail.gmail.com> hey, thanx to play my music in the clubs is not the final idea, it's music to listen where u feel good... :) I've used Hydrogen, and of course, Ardour, I'm a drumbox fan XD I've found this tool amazing, I find the idea of the layers very good, it's very easy to get a good sound with them. Personally, I love the sharp sound of linux... it makes me to be alive... :) I'm using a pure Debian with the DeMuDi packages, I really feel very comfortable with it, but I am not a code wizz to compile something very strange, so, I'll take a look to xjadeo later, I'll see what can I do... thanx a lot again, this list is amazing ;) > Kinda hardcore/experimental, but I like them! Wouldn't play them in a > club, but for me I like this style. What tools have you used? > > I've been very happy to use xjadeo in jack-sync with ardour for editing > sound for videos. Find instructions here (in the readme in the tarball): > http://sourceforge.net/projects/xjadeo/ > > What distro are you using? I've been hunting down packages for some > distros, wich might be good to have since it may be a bit hard to compile. > > > -- > Ringheims Auto - Fri musikk for bilstereo! > http://ringheimsauto.org > -- ... visit always http://perlssdj.blogspot.com 4 cool stuff !!... From jri at broadpark.no Wed Sep 6 10:50:36 2006 From: jri at broadpark.no (Johannes Mario Ringheim) Date: Wed Sep 6 10:51:17 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] finally... my 1st themes made with Linux In-Reply-To: <311b5a1a0609060742u41d97c8di990a4bed9d7e7bba@mail.gmail.com> References: <311b5a1a0609060431h4e712efbucc64255a52ec863d@mail.gmail.com> <44FED848.7090504@broadpark.no> <311b5a1a0609060742u41d97c8di990a4bed9d7e7bba@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <44FEE03C.8080302@broadpark.no> perlanegra proyect wrote: > I'm using a pure Debian with the DeMuDi packages, I really feel very > comfortable with it, but I am not a code wizz to compile something > very strange, so, I'll take a look to xjadeo later, I'll see what can > I do... Then it should be pretty straightforward to install the debian packages: http://xjadeo.sourceforge.net/ Have fun :) -- Ringheims Auto - Fri musikk for bilstereo! http://ringheimsauto.org From j.silvestre at wanadoo.fr Wed Sep 6 12:27:33 2006 From: j.silvestre at wanadoo.fr (joel silvestre) Date: Wed Sep 6 12:27:47 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Intel Core 2 Duo users already? In-Reply-To: <20060906132604.22079.qmail@web52213.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20060906132604.22079.qmail@web52213.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1157560054.15815.64.camel@zordi> Le mercredi 06 septembre 2006 ? 06:26 -0700, Drucer Ninetynine a ?crit : > Hello again, anybody out there who is already using > Intel Core2Duo systems? Share your thoughts! > I have a laptop bought from Keynux without windows. Specifications are here: http://www.clevo.com.tw/products/M550N.asp Smp real time kernel, 2.6.16 or 2.6.17 based boots only whith acpi off, No acpi leads to a quite unusable laptop... Single CPU real time kernel are ok. 32 frames * 3 without any problems. The video controller driver is only in Xorg 7.1. Some distribution like Ubuntu do a backport to Xorg 7.0. Joel From michael at michaelshiloh.com Wed Sep 6 12:31:44 2006 From: michael at michaelshiloh.com (michael@michaelshiloh.com) Date: Wed Sep 6 12:34:21 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Intel Core 2 Duo users already? In-Reply-To: <1157560054.15815.64.camel@zordi> References: <20060906132604.22079.qmail@web52213.mail.yahoo.com> <1157560054.15815.64.camel@zordi> Message-ID: On Wed, 6 Sep 2006, joel silvestre wrote: > Le mercredi 06 septembre 2006 à 06:26 -0700, Drucer Ninetynine a écrit : >> Hello again, anybody out there who is already using >> Intel Core2Duo systems? Share your thoughts! >> > > I have a laptop bought from Keynux without windows. > > Specifications are here: > http://www.clevo.com.tw/products/M550N.asp > > Smp real time kernel, 2.6.16 or 2.6.17 based boots only whith acpi off, > No acpi leads to a quite unusable laptop... > > Single CPU real time kernel are ok. 32 frames * 3 without any problems. > > The video controller driver is only in Xorg 7.1. Some distribution like > Ubuntu do a backport to Xorg 7.0. > > > Joel And what's your impression so far? Also, how was your experience with Keynux? From j.silvestre at wanadoo.fr Wed Sep 6 13:43:31 2006 From: j.silvestre at wanadoo.fr (joel silvestre) Date: Wed Sep 6 13:43:41 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Intel Core 2 Duo users already? In-Reply-To: References: <20060906132604.22079.qmail@web52213.mail.yahoo.com> <1157560054.15815.64.camel@zordi> Message-ID: <1157564611.15815.100.camel@zordi> Le mercredi 06 septembre 2006 ? 09:31 -0700, michael@michaelshiloh.com a ?crit : > > > On Wed, 6 Sep 2006, joel silvestre wrote: > > > Le mercredi 06 septembre 2006 06:26 -0700, Drucer Ninetynine a crit : > >> Hello again, anybody out there who is already using > >> Intel Core2Duo systems? Share your thoughts! > >> > > > > I have a laptop bought from Keynux without windows. > > > > Specifications are here: > > http://www.clevo.com.tw/products/M550N.asp > > > > Smp real time kernel, 2.6.16 or 2.6.17 based boots only whith acpi off, > > No acpi leads to a quite unusable laptop... > > > > Single CPU real time kernel are ok. 32 frames * 3 without any problems. > > > > The video controller driver is only in Xorg 7.1. Some distribution like > > Ubuntu do a backport to Xorg 7.0. > > > > > > Joel > > And what's your impression so far? Also, how was your experience with Keynux? So far no problem with Keynux. The performance seem's to be here. It's globaly faster than my dual XP2400 desktop. The display (SXGA+ 1400x1050 TFT) is not the best in the world. The vertical viewing angle is too small and it's not really anti-glare. The case is a full plastic case. Good plastic I hope..! I will take extra care, just in case... I haven't yet do a real audio work with it but I'm quite confident about the results. Joel From marcospcmusica at gmail.com Wed Sep 6 09:12:21 2006 From: marcospcmusica at gmail.com (Marcos Guglielmetti) Date: Wed Sep 6 14:10:47 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Musix GNU/Linux 0.59 released Message-ID: <200609061512.21793.marcospcmusica@gmail.com> == Download == http://www.musix.org.ar/download.html Thanks to the support of the Ututo Proyect, FSF, Ourproject, and to the usual collaborators, the Musix project has just released Musix 0.59, with more then 650 packages upgraded, a 100% graphic startup process, new audio and video hardware detection, NTFS write support, samba, Amarok and much more. == Musix GNU/Linux, release announcement == The Musix project is pleased to announce the new version of this 100% freedom software operating system for artists and general purpose users. More than 650 packages were upgraded and many others were included, for instance the udev system, the awesome multimedia player Amarok, writing support for NTFS partitions, samba and mp3 codec for audacity. === System and Desktop Startup === The system's startup process now is totally graphic, we added a splash screen to avoid hi verbosity, and the (icewm+rox-filer) Desktop now starts without user interaction. If it fails, you can type videoconfig.sh and try another videocard/monitor configuration, then restart your desktop. === Hard disks === We hope Musix 0.59 could fix some detection problems related to hard disk detection and configuration. === Video === The new video management should work better for your hardware... now there are 3 autodetection methods to choose from: 0) "Musix", that works using a new Xorg's ability, 1) the default "Knoppix" method, and 2) the Gentoo Live-CD method. We advice you to try the "Musix" method: it should give you the best possible configuration for your videocard/monitor. === Sound === The autodetection method for soundcards was changed because hotplug was replaced by udev. Now the soundcard autodetection is done by a modified alsaconf script. === Upgrading without reinstallation === Musix 0.59 should be able to upgrade an old installed version using the "Package Upgrader" tool from the new knoppix's installer. Nonetheless, we advice to use the traditional installation way, because this upgrading system is too experimental for now. Also, "Package Upgrader" could transform a Knoppix (or similar) installation to a Musix system. === Summarize === In short: Musix 0.59 it's a necessary step towards the 1.0 stable version that should be ready in the first months of 2007, when Debian Etch will be stable, but there is a long way to go... == Changelog 0.59 == == Updated packages == Over 650 packages were updated, for example: kdebase-data: 3.5.4-2 libgtk2.0-bin: 2.8.18-1 rosegarden4: 1.2.3-2 jackd: 0.101.1-1 == New packages == * udev (is a daemon which dynamically creates and removes device nodes from /dev/, handles hotplug events and loads drivers at boot time.) * Lashd (is a session management system for JACK and ALSA audio applications on GNU/Linux.) * Amarok (versatile and easy to use audio player. It tries to be a little different, providing a simple drag and drop interface that really makes playlist handling easy.) * Foobillard (is a billiards game with a three dimensional display) * musix-freepats-extras * musix-bin-scripts * eq-xmms-musix * musix-desktop-upgrade * musix-colombo-drumkit * musix-docs * musix-soundfonts * samba 3.0.22-1 (a LanManager-like file and printer server for Unix) * ntfs-3g (It provides full read-write access to NTFS, excluding access to encrypted files, writing compressed files, changing file ownership, access right) * timemachine-lancher from Adrian Pardini * mp3 encoder for Audacity * Added special graphical effects (xcompmgr) as an option == New features in 0.59 == * Created ntfsmusix.sh: assistant for NTFS partition configuration. * Modified alsaconf to work with multiple sound cards. * /bin/videoconfig.sh and /bin/menu improved. * New method for video detection (works only with Xorg >= a 7.0), /bin/xorgmusix.sh * Autostart system of applications in the desktop: ~/Desktop/Autostart * Most of Musix own characteristics were packed in .deb files with the objective to update old hard disk installations from a new Live-CD and also to convert or Debian/etch into Musix. == Other changes == == To do == * Add http://directory.fsf.org/dvdrip.html * Make splashy to take images from the last desktop (maybe with xdump) or any screen capturer. It can be useful to make the shutdown or even the boot... (can't make it with xwd or ksnapshot because they're not automatic) *Enhance alsaconf to force it to install EVERY soundcard found. * Create a KDE application resetter: (killall dcopserver, rm ~/.ICE* ~/.DOC*) and place a shortcut in IceWM menu * Disable soundcard autodetection process in old computers (use bogoimps) * Build an adaptable system for capacity process (bogoimps) for timidity * Package NyF and nn in .deb files * Install Gilberto Borge's control panel (needs changes) * Add Rosegarden 1.2.4 from RPMs? * Find out possible RPMs to add * Install multimedia kernel 2.6.17? * Add a line in fstab with tmpfs for dev/shm if working with realtime kernel * Find out solution for amsn and xterm == Known problems in 0.59 == * If after installation the sound card is not correctly configured in each system boot, is necessary to write this command in a text console as root user: ln -s /bin/sndconf-musix.sh /etc/rcS.d/S50snd * After installation: if the ?critical Error? warning when initiating the desktop for the Knoppix user bothers you, it can be disabled from: Musix --> Settings --> KDE Control Panel --> System Administration --> Login Manager --> Convenience There, disable the '''"Enable Auto-login"''' option. * Shaketracker 0.4.6-5+b1 doesn't start. * AMSN does not start due to a color definition problem, which it's related the application mrxvt. It can be replaced by using GAIM -- Marcos Guglielmetti * Director del desarrollo de Musix GNU+Linux, 100% Software Libre * CD Donwload: (http://www.musix.org.ar/en/) (www.pc-musica.com.ar/musix) * Videos, programas y otras cosas en: ftp://musix.ourproject.org/pub/musix/ * Reporte de errores a: https://www.musix.org.ar/wiki/index.php?title=Problemas-Bugs *IRC: #musix channel on freenode From andrew.lyon at gmail.com Wed Sep 6 14:47:09 2006 From: andrew.lyon at gmail.com (Andrew Lyon) Date: Wed Sep 6 14:47:17 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Intel Core 2 Duo users already? In-Reply-To: <20060906132604.22079.qmail@web52213.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20060906132604.22079.qmail@web52213.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On 9/6/06, Drucer Ninetynine wrote: > Hello again, anybody out there who is already using > Intel Core2Duo systems? Share your thoughts! > I recently built a new mythtv box with GigaByte GA_965P_DS3 motherboard and 2.4ghz core 2 duo, it has onboard HDA Intel sound with ALC882 Codec, I am using spdif output to a yamaha home cinema amp (stereo output and dts spdif passthru) Ive also briefly used the headphone output, all outputs work very well, I have not used any inputs yet. I have problems with other parts of the system but fixes for those are coming in 2.4.18, there are patches and workarounds for other issues, the only remaining problem I have is no pata support so no cdrom or dvdrw :( The first Intel system I have built for myself since a PII-266, and I am very impressed! Andy From folderol at ukfsn.org Wed Sep 6 17:40:34 2006 From: folderol at ukfsn.org (Folderol) Date: Wed Sep 6 17:40:51 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Just a little question Message-ID: <20060906224034.5d55500a@localhost> I'm still a bit confused about some aspects of setting up a machine for decent audio work. Does having RT kernel have any negative aspects when the computer is used for general office work? Would it be best to use a different computer for this (or different partition perhaps) and keep the audio M/C strictly for audio and nothing else? Am I right in thinking there are issues with some things (jack) working with root privileges that might have security implications? OK I know that's more than one question :) -- Will J G From st at tobiah.org Wed Sep 6 17:55:48 2006 From: st at tobiah.org (st) Date: Wed Sep 6 17:56:08 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Just a little question In-Reply-To: <20060906224034.5d55500a@localhost> References: <20060906224034.5d55500a@localhost> Message-ID: <44FF43E4.8080005@tobiah.org> Folderol wrote: > I'm still a bit confused about some aspects of setting up a machine > for decent audio work. > > Does having RT kernel have any negative aspects when the computer is > used for general office work? As I remember, the real-time patches are recommended for a snappy desktop, while it is less appropriate for servers. When an audio app is killing the CPU however, the real-time patch can make the desktop very unresponsive indeed. > > Am I right in thinking there are issues with some things (jack) working > with root privileges that might have security implications? > > OK I know that's more than one question :) > >From Jack Faq: The simplest, and least-secure way to provide real-time privileges is running jackd as root. This has the disadvantage of also requiring all of JACK clients to run as root. Real-time scheduling is inherently dangerous; a badly or maliciously coded application can hang the system. Worse, running as root gives an intruder too many opportunities to damage or co-opt the entire system by attacking the JACK server or its clients. Systems connected to the Internet would be well-advised to avoid this approach. There are safer ways to gain the needed privileges, the exact method depends on which Operating System you run. For Linux 2.6, the Realtime Linux Security Module provides a relatively easy way for non-root users to gain real-time privileges. Some audio-oriented distributions include this module as a separate binary package or with the kernel image. Otherwise, you will need to download the realtime-lsm source and build it yourself. From nando at ccrma.Stanford.EDU Wed Sep 6 18:16:52 2006 From: nando at ccrma.Stanford.EDU (Fernando Lopez-Lezcano) Date: Wed Sep 6 18:17:01 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] That Windows feeling... In-Reply-To: <20060906063036.011ea600@mistral.stie> References: <20060904120301.77744289@mistral.stie> <1157503722.6245.40.camel@cmn3.stanford.edu> <20060906063036.011ea600@mistral.stie> Message-ID: <1157581012.18049.35.camel@cmn3.stanford.edu> On Wed, 2006-09-06 at 06:30 -0400, lanas wrote: > On Tue, 05 Sep 2006 17:48:42 -0700 > Fernando Lopez-Lezcano ?crivait: > > I'm not sure I follow which is which. It tries to send 1600x1200 to a > > 1024x768 monitor? Or the other way around? Which other app are you > > refering to? > > I am using SuSE presently for writing this, so I can't refer to the > actual Fedora menus and apps dorectly, but I'll try to describe. > > In Fedora there are two ways to see and change the screen resolution. > The first is called 'Screen Resolution' and does not require root > access. The other is called something else and asks you the root > password before proceeding. > > #1 will say the screen is 1024x768, which is quite right, but will > offer no other, higher, screen resolutions. > > #2 will report that the screen is 1600x1200 (which is not). I've > configured this one for the proper monitor, which is a Viewsonic VP211B > 21.3" TFT. What I'd try (just a workaround, of course) is to select the "LCD Panel 1600x1200" monitor type instead of the "proper" model. At least that's what I did in my laptop as it did not automagically detect the max resolution (I don't remember exactly what I did but that's what is selected right now). > Graphic card is a GeForce 6600. Apart from editing the xorg.conf file > directly, I do not see how to get a higher screen resolution than the > 1024x768 since the system thinks it has 1600x1200 and offers nothing > more than 1024x768. > > Also, is there any 64-bit version of CCRMA ? Sorry, no, not yet. I have more plans than time to carry them out... -- Fernando From basscheez at zoominternet.net Wed Sep 6 21:52:44 2006 From: basscheez at zoominternet.net (Steven Walker) Date: Wed Sep 6 21:51:07 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] FreeBob compiling problem Message-ID: <1157593964.3041.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> I'm trying to compile FreeBob from the tarball source. I've got all the dependency libraries install, with one exception. The FreeBob configure script is looking for libiec61883 version 1.1.0, but the latest "official" release is 1.0.0. I tried modifying the configure.ac file to look for 1.0.0, but my autoconf seems to have perl issues - the @INC array doesn't point to the right directories. You can see I'm quickly getting pulled into the quicksand! Should I: a) continue to fight with autoconf to try to generate a configure script b) install Subversion and try the SVN route c) something else? System is Fedora 4 w/CCRMA TIA, Steve From paul at linuxaudiosystems.com Wed Sep 6 22:01:06 2006 From: paul at linuxaudiosystems.com (Paul Davis) Date: Wed Sep 6 22:02:25 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] FreeBob compiling problem In-Reply-To: <1157593964.3041.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1157593964.3041.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1157594466.15568.122.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Wed, 2006-09-06 at 21:52 -0400, Steven Walker wrote: > I'm trying to compile FreeBob from the tarball source. I've got all the > dependency libraries install, with one exception. The FreeBob configure > script is looking for libiec61883 version 1.1.0, but the latest > "official" release is 1.0.0. > > I tried modifying the configure.ac file to look for 1.0.0, but my very bad idea. it says 1.1.0 for a reason. you need that version. From dominic.sacre at gmx.de Wed Sep 6 22:05:25 2006 From: dominic.sacre at gmx.de (Dominic =?iso-8859-1?q?Sacr=E9?=) Date: Wed Sep 6 22:07:03 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] xruns every 30 seconds Message-ID: <200609070405.25932.dominic.sacre@gmx.de> Hi, I'd like to run jack on a rather old laptop (IBM Thinkpad X21, P3 700MHz). The problem is that I'm getting xruns almost every 30 seconds. That is, not every time, but the interval between two xruns is always an exact multiple of 30 seconds. There's quite a long dropout of almost one second each time an xrun occurs. Jack output looks like this: delay of 34010.000 usecs exceeds estimated spare time of 4075.000; restart ... 03:32:01.992 XRUN callback (13). delay of 31715.000 usecs exceeds estimated spare time of 4124.000; restart ... 03:32:32.003 XRUN callback (14). delay of 39019.000 usecs exceeds estimated spare time of 4086.000; restart ... 03:33:01.993 XRUN callback (15). delay of 41527.000 usecs exceeds estimated spare time of 4078.000; restart ... 03:34:02.000 XRUN callback (16). delay of 33218.000 usecs exceeds estimated spare time of 4124.000; restart ... 03:34:32.010 XRUN callback (17). I'm running Ubuntu Dapper with vanilla kernel 2.6.17.11. This is with a USB audio interface (Behringer UCA 202), and jack is running realtime, set to 48kHz, 3 periods, 128 frames, duplex (tried playback only, too). Any ideas what might be causing these xruns? Thanks, Dominic From paul at linuxaudiosystems.com Wed Sep 6 22:12:20 2006 From: paul at linuxaudiosystems.com (Paul Davis) Date: Wed Sep 6 22:13:21 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] xruns every 30 seconds In-Reply-To: <200609070405.25932.dominic.sacre@gmx.de> References: <200609070405.25932.dominic.sacre@gmx.de> Message-ID: <1157595140.15568.124.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Thu, 2006-09-07 at 04:05 +0200, Dominic Sacr? wrote: > Hi, > > I'd like to run jack on a rather old laptop (IBM Thinkpad X21, P3 700MHz). > The problem is that I'm getting xruns almost every 30 seconds. That is, > not every time, but the interval between two xruns is always an exact > multiple of 30 seconds. CD media detection? power management features? From job17and9 at sbcglobal.net Thu Sep 7 00:17:10 2006 From: job17and9 at sbcglobal.net (Brian Dunn) Date: Thu Sep 7 00:18:20 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Lashd won't start. In-Reply-To: <1157401739.10617.5.camel@DaveLap> References: <20060830155422.2bd166a7@localhost> <20060902152336.3910f503@localhost> <44F9FB21.4010703@ichthyostega.de> <44F9FE21.7040009@sbcglobal.net> <20060903035810.GM4042@localdomain> <44FB98DA.8060707@sbcglobal.net> <1157401739.10617.5.camel@DaveLap> Message-ID: <44FF9D46.7060801@sbcglobal.net> >> No supported SIMD instruction sets detected >> >> I'm running gentoo and i've got all the relevant use flags turned on, >> sse, mmx... >> >> any clues? how can this be broken system wide? >> > > That message comes from jack. > > -DR- > > > Oh. :) that's sort of embarrassing. I should've known. Well, from the looks of it i've got sse and mmx use flags turned on, and jack is compiled with both... so why this message? From drucer99 at yahoo.com Thu Sep 7 03:20:01 2006 From: drucer99 at yahoo.com (Drucer Ninetynine) Date: Thu Sep 7 03:20:14 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Intel Core 2 Duo users already? In-Reply-To: <1157551722.6524.1.camel@puppeli> Message-ID: <20060907072001.47583.qmail@web52207.mail.yahoo.com> --- Sampo Savolainen wrote: > I'm not using one yet, but I bit the bullet > yesterday and ordered a > laptop with a core 2 duo. I'll warn people if I run > into problems which > might concern all c2d users, but I expect it to be > quite smooth sailing. Excellent! I'm thinking about building my next audio system using that platform and I'm sure I'm not the only one, so it's nice to hear about possible problems beforehand. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From pieterp at joow.be Thu Sep 7 05:13:41 2006 From: pieterp at joow.be (Pieter Palmers) Date: Thu Sep 7 05:13:59 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] FreeBob compiling problem In-Reply-To: <1157593964.3041.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1157593964.3041.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <44FFE2C5.6000200@joow.be> Steven Walker wrote: > I'm trying to compile FreeBob from the tarball source. I've got all the > dependency libraries install, with one exception. The FreeBob configure > script is looking for libiec61883 version 1.1.0, but the latest > "official" release is 1.0.0. > use the subversion version of libiec61883: svn checkout svn://svn.linux1394.org/libiec61883/trunk/ libiec61883 cd libiec61883 autoreconf -f -i -s ./configure --prefix=/usr make make install > I tried modifying the configure.ac file to look for 1.0.0, but my > autoconf seems to have perl issues - the @INC array doesn't point to the > right directories. > > You can see I'm quickly getting pulled into the quicksand! Should I: > a) continue to fight with autoconf to try to generate a configure script > b) install Subversion and try the SVN route > c) something else? > > System is Fedora 4 w/CCRMA > > TIA, > Steve > > From dlphillips at woh.rr.com Thu Sep 7 07:10:32 2006 From: dlphillips at woh.rr.com (Dave Phillips) Date: Thu Sep 7 06:49:50 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: flatwounds & JJ Cale In-Reply-To: <1155763763.3122.3.camel@eviltwin> References: <44E022A8.8040004@linuxuse.de> <20060816013807.B6197@linus.it.uts.EDU.AU> <44E28FD4.5010307@boosthardware.com> <44E29D44.7050402@boosthardware.com> <20060816154436.A29603@linus.it.uts.EDU.AU> <44E2B650.5020400@boosthardware.com> <44E2DC81.8030106@linuxuse.de> <44E2E237.4080201@boosthardware.com> <44E30038.4070704@linuxuse.de> <44E33151.6030901@woh.rr.com> <1155763763.3122.3.camel@eviltwin> Message-ID: <44FFFE28.5040708@woh.rr.com> Jan Depner wrote: >On Wed, 2006-08-16 at 10:53 -0400, Dave Phillips wrote: > > >>Cale's okay, not nearly so good a writer as Willis Alan Ramsey, but okay >>for pop. >> >> > > > I beg to differ. At least as far as the Naturally album is >concerned. Everything on there is great. > > He just doesn't reach me. Are you familiar with Willis Alan ? [re: Mayall] > Mayall lost me when he said he never practiced harp playing. It's >pretty obvious too ;-) > > Still, I have to respect him. He dedicated his life to blues music at a time when that wasn't a sure thing in the music world. Now everyone's a blues player, no experience necessary. Note that there are damned few decent white blues *singers*, most aren't even as good (?) as Mayall. >>If you want to hear some core blues try Howlin' Wolf, Muddy Waters, or >>Sonny Boy Williamson, especially the old Chess material. If you want to >>go deeper, get the complete Blind Willie Johnson. (Apologies if you're >>already aware of this stuff). >> >> >> > > I prefer Robert Pete Williams, RL Burnside, and Son Thomas. But the >players you mentioned are good too. ;-) > You think so ? :) I'm looking forward to the next local blues fest (Soulshine), Byron Lee is playing. Daniel Ballinger is headlining, I don't think he's much of a bluesman but he does know how to get a house rocking. Robert Pete, eh ? I have all his stuff, he's truly extraordinary. Saw RL Burnside a few years ago, he was fine too. Alas, I haven't time to keep up on the current crop of bluesman, white or otherwise, so I tend to revert to the classics whenever I want to listen to core stuff. Best, dp From glauberalex at uol.com.br Thu Sep 7 06:56:57 2006 From: glauberalex at uol.com.br (glauber alex dias prado) Date: Thu Sep 7 06:57:17 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] finally... my 1st themes made with Linux In-Reply-To: <311b5a1a0609060431h4e712efbucc64255a52ec863d@mail.gmail.com> References: <311b5a1a0609060431h4e712efbucc64255a52ec863d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1157626618.15340.8.camel@gredesk> Hello, i didnt heared your songs sorry for that, but its late now, perhaps i will do it later, your questions have answers, for syncing i would use xjadeo plugin to jack which is a tool that works as a charm for this kind of task, but it assumes that the video composition is already made and you are constructing the audio part of it. Later when they are in sync you can use a lot of tools to glue it up, i would recommend avidemux2 for guilineass savy, otherwise either ffmpeg or transcode can do a fair job with a minimum of understanding of command line operations and a bit of man pages reading. On the other hand if you are going to composite the video on top of your song track i and this is a personal approach would go with blender NLA which is a very decent tool allowing you to make professional stuff, also with a minimum of reading and searching for tutorials about it. bye Glauber Alex Dias Prado. On Wed, 2006-09-06 at 13:31 +0200, perlanegra proyect wrote: > hi everybody... > > hare I am again, after a long long time of to appear here, I've made > my first audio work with GNU/LInux... > > I have to suffer commercial software because of my job, but this > summer I've had some spare time to make a serious work with Linux. > They are a pair of raw electro themes with no time effects, "dogma > sound" like I say... The links are here: > > http://perlssdj.blogspot.com/2006/09/xtatik-ep-new-electro-single-made-with.html > > > I think Jack is an amazing tool 4 audio creation, I find it very > interesting, and very versatile, I feel very comfortable with it now. > I've used Ardour too and it's a good tool, but I have a dude... > > wich software do I need to mix audio 4 video with GNU/Linux ? I'm > working on a video and I'd like to mix the sound with free software, > maybe should I use Cinelerra? I think I've read something about audio > plugins there, but can't remember the details... If somebody can help > me, I'd be very pleased to hear u, thanx > > enjoy the themes, and be free to remix them, they have a CC No > Commercial- Share alike, so, u can use them 4 personal projects... > > May the power be with U... > > C'ya on the net... ;) > > (any kind of comment is good, thanx) > > > > PerlssDj > > From dominic.sacre at gmx.de Thu Sep 7 08:05:30 2006 From: dominic.sacre at gmx.de (Dominic =?utf-8?q?Sacr=C3=A9?=) Date: Thu Sep 7 08:06:18 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] xruns every 30 seconds In-Reply-To: <1157595140.15568.124.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <200609070405.25932.dominic.sacre@gmx.de> <1157595140.15568.124.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <200609071405.30944.dominic.sacre@gmx.de> On Thursday, 7. September 2006 04:12, Paul Davis wrote: > > I'd like to run jack on a rather old laptop (IBM Thinkpad X21, P3 > > 700MHz). The problem is that I'm getting xruns almost every 30 > > seconds. That is, not every time, but the interval between two xruns > > is always an exact multiple of 30 seconds. > > CD media detection? power management features? Well, actually this seems to be somehow related to power management. If I boot with acpi=off, I'm not getting these xruns. As I'd still like to use ACPI on this laptop, is it possible to disable it just temporarily while jack is running? Or is there some other way to keep ACPI from interrupting jack? From perlanegra.proyect at gmail.com Thu Sep 7 09:24:26 2006 From: perlanegra.proyect at gmail.com (perlanegra proyect) Date: Thu Sep 7 09:24:32 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] finally... my 1st themes made with Linux In-Reply-To: <1157626618.15340.8.camel@gredesk> References: <311b5a1a0609060431h4e712efbucc64255a52ec863d@mail.gmail.com> <1157626618.15340.8.camel@gredesk> Message-ID: <311b5a1a0609070624x398bb052w3b6f44cf525a4efd@mail.gmail.com> thanx by the info if u can send me a pair of links with those such tutorials, and with more information about video in Linux, that could be very good... I'm learning now to work with video, but with commercials, the classic after effects and a bit of combustion, but, in Linux, I've only tryed very quickly Dyne:bolic some time ago, but I had no idea on that date about video I'd like to find some web where to read something more, I will search one of these days, but any kind of help is good too, thanx by all.. and don't worry, my themes will wait there ;) cheers... PerlssDj 2006/9/7, glauber alex dias prado : > Hello, i didnt heared your songs sorry for that, but its late now, > perhaps i will do it later, your questions have answers, for syncing i > would use xjadeo plugin to jack which is a tool that works as a charm > for this kind of task, but it assumes that the video composition is > already made and you are constructing the audio part of it. > > Later when they are in sync you can use a lot of tools to glue it up, i > would recommend avidemux2 for guilineass savy, otherwise either ffmpeg > or transcode can do a fair job with a minimum of understanding of > command line operations and a bit of man pages reading. > > On the other hand if you are going to composite the video on top of your > song track i and this is a personal approach would go with blender NLA > which is a very decent tool allowing you to make professional stuff, > also with a minimum of reading and searching for tutorials about it. > > bye > > Glauber Alex Dias Prado. > -- ... visit always http://perlssdj.blogspot.com 4 cool stuff !!... From paul at linuxaudiosystems.com Thu Sep 7 09:41:12 2006 From: paul at linuxaudiosystems.com (Paul Davis) Date: Thu Sep 7 09:42:23 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] xruns every 30 seconds In-Reply-To: <200609071405.30944.dominic.sacre@gmx.de> References: <200609070405.25932.dominic.sacre@gmx.de> <1157595140.15568.124.camel@localhost.localdomain> <200609071405.30944.dominic.sacre@gmx.de> Message-ID: <1157636472.15568.136.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Thu, 2006-09-07 at 14:05 +0200, Dominic Sacr? wrote: > On Thursday, 7. September 2006 04:12, Paul Davis wrote: > > > I'd like to run jack on a rather old laptop (IBM Thinkpad X21, P3 > > > 700MHz). The problem is that I'm getting xruns almost every 30 > > > seconds. That is, not every time, but the interval between two xruns > > > is always an exact multiple of 30 seconds. > > > > CD media detection? power management features? > > Well, actually this seems to be somehow related to power management. If I > boot with acpi=off, I'm not getting these xruns. > As I'd still like to use ACPI on this laptop, is it possible to disable it > just temporarily while jack is running? Or is there some other way to > keep ACPI from interrupting jack? many win32-DAW web forums are full of recommendations to turn of ACPI too. i think you have to do without it for low latency audio, at least on some h/w. From hardbop200 at gmail.com Thu Sep 7 09:50:16 2006 From: hardbop200 at gmail.com (Josh Lawrence) Date: Thu Sep 7 09:50:24 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] sound recording application Message-ID: Hello all, I'm writing this for a friend who is Linux saavy, but not a member of this list, nor a "sound guy." He needs an audio application that will record for a specific amount of time, say, for 4 hours, without user intervention. He needs to be able to say, begin recording conference at 9:00 AM and stop at 4:00 PM and walk away without ever thinking about it again. I'm familiar with all of the basic sound apps (Audacity), but I am completely stumped when it comes to the timer aspect of his request. Anyone have any ideas? Thanks, Josh -- Josh Lawrence http://www.hardbop200.com From smcameron at yahoo.com Thu Sep 7 10:08:29 2006 From: smcameron at yahoo.com (Stephen Cameron) Date: Thu Sep 7 10:08:53 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] sound recording application In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20060907140829.4692.qmail@web33001.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- Josh Lawrence wrote: [...] > He needs an audio application that will record for a specific amount > of time, say, for 4 hours, without user intervention. He needs to be > able to say, begin recording conference at 9:00 AM and stop at 4:00 PM > and walk away without ever thinking about it again. [...] I think ecasound can do what you want. Here's the man page: http://eca.cx/ecasound/Documentation/ecasound_manpage.html the -t option looks relevant. -- steve __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From nomoa at wanadoo.fr Thu Sep 7 10:21:01 2006 From: nomoa at wanadoo.fr (David Causse) Date: Thu Sep 7 10:21:11 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] sound recording application In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <45002ACD.8070304@wanadoo.fr> Josh Lawrence wrote: > Hello all, > > I'm writing this for a friend who is Linux saavy, but not a member of > this list, nor a "sound guy." > > He needs an audio application that will record for a specific amount > of time, say, for 4 hours, without user intervention. He needs to be > able to say, begin recording conference at 9:00 AM and stop at 4:00 PM > and walk away without ever thinking about it again. I'm familiar with > all of the basic sound apps (Audacity), but I am completely stumped > when it comes to the timer aspect of his request. Anyone have any > ideas? Maybe he could try ardour + jack_transport + at Prepare an ardour session ready to rec on the correct input. Configure ardour to sync with jack. Create 2 files start.sh : #!/bin/sh echo play | jack_transport stop.sh : #!/bin/sh echo stop | jack_transport and use: at -f start.sh 0900 at -f stop.sh 1600 Not really convenient but it should work. David. From fbar at footils.org Thu Sep 7 10:39:37 2006 From: fbar at footils.org (Frank Barknecht) Date: Thu Sep 7 10:40:17 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] sound recording application In-Reply-To: <20060907140829.4692.qmail@web33001.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060907140829.4692.qmail@web33001.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20060907143937.GD17021@fliwatut.scifi> Hallo, Stephen Cameron hat gesagt: // Stephen Cameron wrote: > --- Josh Lawrence wrote: > [...] > > He needs an audio application that will record for a specific amount > > of time, say, for 4 hours, without user intervention. He needs to be > > able to say, begin recording conference at 9:00 AM and stop at 4:00 PM > > and walk away without ever thinking about it again. [...] > > I think ecasound can do what you want. > > Here's the man page: > http://eca.cx/ecasound/Documentation/ecasound_manpage.html > > the -t option looks relevant. Ecasound is the perfect tool for this. We have used it for several years (six or so) to do several unattended recordings *a day* with only a handful of broken recordings through all these years (which weren't ecasound's fault generally, but more like: Someone stepped on an important cable etc.) Besides -t also the -z option is useful to switch on double buffering and of course "-rt" should be used to have ecasound run at realtime priority to further reduce the risk of dropouts. You start ecasound through crond then. It's also a good idea to somehow set the clock in advance. We just used netdate some minutes before starting to record to synchronize the clock. Ciao -- Frank Barknecht _ ______footils.org_ __goto10.org__ From jri at broadpark.no Thu Sep 7 10:43:05 2006 From: jri at broadpark.no (Johannes Mario Ringheim) Date: Thu Sep 7 10:43:36 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] sound recording application In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <45002FF9.401@broadpark.no> Josh Lawrence wrote: > He needs an audio application that will record for a specific amount > of time, say, for 4 hours, without user intervention. He needs to be > able to say, begin recording conference at 9:00 AM and stop at 4:00 PM > and walk away without ever thinking about it again. I'm familiar with > all of the basic sound apps (Audacity), but I am completely stumped > when it comes to the timer aspect of his request. Anyone have any > ideas? Also, Rezound har a "limit duration to..." option in the recording dialog. He'd have to be there to start it, though, but it should work. Beware: Rezound is a bit unstable when used with Jack, so I wouldn't leave those two by themselves for such a long timestretch. Use it with alsa directly, and it should be fine. -- Ringheims Auto - Fri musikk for bilstereo! http://ringheimsauto.org From hardbop200 at gmail.com Thu Sep 7 11:09:31 2006 From: hardbop200 at gmail.com (Josh Lawrence) Date: Thu Sep 7 11:09:47 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] sound recording application In-Reply-To: <45002FF9.401@broadpark.no> References: <45002FF9.401@broadpark.no> Message-ID: On 9/7/06, Johannes Mario Ringheim wrote: > Beware: > Rezound is a bit unstable when used with Jack, so I wouldn't leave those > two by themselves for such a long timestretch. Use it with alsa > directly, and it should be fine. > > -- > Ringheims Auto - Fri musikk for bilstereo! > http://ringheimsauto.org > These are all excellent suggestions, thank you very much. -- Josh Lawrence http://www.hardbop200.com From lau at kudla.org Thu Sep 7 12:49:53 2006 From: lau at kudla.org (Rob) Date: Thu Sep 7 12:50:07 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] sound recording application In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200609071249.53669.lau@kudla.org> On Thursday 07 September 2006 09:50, Josh Lawrence wrote: > He needs an audio application that will record for a specific > amount of time, say, for 4 hours, without user intervention. rec 4hourrecording.wav & sleep 14400; killall -INTR rec ;) Rob From rlrevell at joe-job.com Thu Sep 7 12:57:17 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Thu Sep 7 12:57:11 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] sound recording application In-Reply-To: <200609071249.53669.lau@kudla.org> References: <200609071249.53669.lau@kudla.org> Message-ID: <1157648237.31541.175.camel@mindpipe> On Thu, 2006-09-07 at 12:49 -0400, Rob wrote: > On Thursday 07 September 2006 09:50, Josh Lawrence wrote: > > He needs an audio application that will record for a specific > > amount of time, say, for 4 hours, without user intervention. > > rec 4hourrecording.wav & sleep 14400; killall -INTR rec > > ;) Suboptimal (requires OSS emulation). Better: arecord 4hourrecording.wav & sleep 14400; killall -INTR arecord NB: This will record 8 bit mono at 8000Hz. Use "arecord -f cd" for better quality. Lee From paul at linuxaudiosystems.com Thu Sep 7 15:33:54 2006 From: paul at linuxaudiosystems.com (Paul Davis) Date: Thu Sep 7 15:41:07 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] sound recording application In-Reply-To: <1157648237.31541.175.camel@mindpipe> References: <200609071249.53669.lau@kudla.org> <1157648237.31541.175.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <1157657634.16186.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Thu, 2006-09-07 at 12:57 -0400, Lee Revell wrote: > On Thu, 2006-09-07 at 12:49 -0400, Rob wrote: > > On Thursday 07 September 2006 09:50, Josh Lawrence wrote: > > > He needs an audio application that will record for a specific > > > amount of time, say, for 4 hours, without user intervention. > > > > rec 4hourrecording.wav & sleep 14400; killall -INTR rec > > > > ;) > > Suboptimal (requires OSS emulation). Better: > > arecord 4hourrecording.wav & sleep 14400; killall -INTR arecord > > NB: This will record 8 bit mono at 8000Hz. Use "arecord -f cd" for > better quality. arecord -d 14400 -f cd 4hourrecording.wav will leave you with a .wav file that has a correctly formed header. From glauberalex at uol.com.br Fri Sep 8 01:18:17 2006 From: glauberalex at uol.com.br (glauber alex dias prado) Date: Fri Sep 8 01:18:30 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] sound recording application In-Reply-To: <1157657634.16186.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <200609071249.53669.lau@kudla.org> <1157648237.31541.175.camel@mindpipe> <1157657634.16186.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1157692698.15340.21.camel@gredesk> i was wondering isnt it best to have a compressed output like ogg or flac? i dont have such experience but how much of GB are we talking about with 4 hours of uncompressed audio? On Thu, 2006-09-07 at 15:33 -0400, Paul Davis wrote: > On Thu, 2006-09-07 at 12:57 -0400, Lee Revell wrote: > > On Thu, 2006-09-07 at 12:49 -0400, Rob wrote: > > > On Thursday 07 September 2006 09:50, Josh Lawrence wrote: > > > > He needs an audio application that will record for a specific > > > > amount of time, say, for 4 hours, without user intervention. > > > > > > rec 4hourrecording.wav & sleep 14400; killall -INTR rec > > > > > > ;) > > > > Suboptimal (requires OSS emulation). Better: > > > > arecord 4hourrecording.wav & sleep 14400; killall -INTR arecord > > > > NB: This will record 8 bit mono at 8000Hz. Use "arecord -f cd" for > > better quality. > > arecord -d 14400 -f cd 4hourrecording.wav > > will leave you with a .wav file that has a correctly formed header. > From mdeboer at iua.upf.edu Fri Sep 8 03:40:37 2006 From: mdeboer at iua.upf.edu (Maarten de Boer) Date: Fri Sep 8 03:41:09 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] sound recording application In-Reply-To: <1157692698.15340.21.camel@gredesk> References: <200609071249.53669.lau@kudla.org> <1157648237.31541.175.camel@mindpipe> <1157657634.16186.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1157692698.15340.21.camel@gredesk> Message-ID: <20060908094037.9531bc65.mdeboer@iua.upf.es> arecord -f cd | oggenc -q 6 -o 4hours.ogg - & sleep 14400; killall arecord On Fri, 08 Sep 2006 02:18:17 -0300 glauber alex dias prado wrote: > i was wondering isnt it best to have a compressed output like ogg or > flac? i dont have such experience but how much of GB are we talking > about with 4 hours of uncompressed audio? > > > On Thu, 2006-09-07 at 15:33 -0400, Paul Davis wrote: > > On Thu, 2006-09-07 at 12:57 -0400, Lee Revell wrote: > > > On Thu, 2006-09-07 at 12:49 -0400, Rob wrote: > > > > On Thursday 07 September 2006 09:50, Josh Lawrence wrote: > > > > > He needs an audio application that will record for a specific > > > > > amount of time, say, for 4 hours, without user intervention. > > > > > > > > rec 4hourrecording.wav & sleep 14400; killall -INTR rec > > > > > > > > ;) > > > > > > Suboptimal (requires OSS emulation). Better: > > > > > > arecord 4hourrecording.wav & sleep 14400; killall -INTR arecord > > > > > > NB: This will record 8 bit mono at 8000Hz. Use "arecord -f cd" for > > > better quality. > > > > arecord -d 14400 -f cd 4hourrecording.wav > > > > will leave you with a .wav file that has a correctly formed header. > > > > > From rich at richhorner.com Fri Sep 8 03:45:08 2006 From: rich at richhorner.com (Richard Edward Horner) Date: Fri Sep 8 03:45:17 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] PCI Express or Firewire interface with TOSLINK Message-ID: <7a65a83a0609080045va70443n407a6686b310a4bb@mail.gmail.com> Hi, I've been unable to find an interface that fits this bill. I'm hoping that either someone can recommend an interface that fits the bill or definitively tell me that one does not exist. I'm looking for either a PCI Express or Firewire interface that has AT LEAST 16 channels in and out (preferably 24) of lightpipe (TOSLINK) I/O that works in Linux as I'm wondering if it's possible to use an 02R96 with one of the new Mac Pros (which do not have any standard PCI slots). They come with TOSLINK I/O but it's only one port in and out and I imagine they probably aren't working in Linux yet. Thanks, Rich(ard) -- Richard Edward Horner Composer Electric Guitar Virtuoso 206.856.2808 rich@richhorner.com http://richhorner.com - updated June 8th From illth at gmx.de Fri Sep 8 06:13:24 2006 From: illth at gmx.de (Thomas Ilnseher) Date: Fri Sep 8 06:13:32 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] PCI Express or Firewire interface with TOSLINK In-Reply-To: <7a65a83a0609080045va70443n407a6686b310a4bb@mail.gmail.com> References: <7a65a83a0609080045va70443n407a6686b310a4bb@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <45014244.4070704@gmx.de> Richard Edward Horner wrote: > Hi, > > I've been unable to find an interface that fits this bill. I'm hoping > that either someone can recommend an interface that fits the bill or > definitively tell me that one does not exist. > > I'm looking for either a PCI Express or Firewire interface that has AT > LEAST 16 channels in and out (preferably 24) of lightpipe (TOSLINK) > I/O that works in Linux as I'm wondering if it's possible to use an > 02R96 with one of the new Mac Pros (which do not have any standard PCI > slots). They come with TOSLINK I/O but it's only one port in and out > and I imagine they probably aren't working in Linux yet. I _imagine_ that they are implemented using intel's chipset, so they might run with the sound_hda module. But that is only an assumption ! > > Thanks, Rich(ard) From fbar at footils.org Fri Sep 8 08:35:00 2006 From: fbar at footils.org (Frank Barknecht) Date: Fri Sep 8 08:36:02 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] sound recording application In-Reply-To: <1157692698.15340.21.camel@gredesk> References: <200609071249.53669.lau@kudla.org> <1157648237.31541.175.camel@mindpipe> <1157657634.16186.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1157692698.15340.21.camel@gredesk> Message-ID: <20060908123459.GC9566@fliwatut.scifi> Hallo, glauber alex dias prado hat gesagt: // glauber alex dias prado wrote: > i was wondering isnt it best to have a compressed output like ogg or > flac? i dont have such experience but how much of GB are we talking > about with 4 hours of uncompressed audio? If you use ecasound as I recommended (and not the much less reliable arecord that's all the rage in this thread's recent mails), you can just replace .wav with .ogg in your command line and you will get a compressed ogg-file recording instead. Same with mp3, if you have configured an encoder in ecasoundrc. Ciao -- Frank Barknecht _ ______footils.org_ __goto10.org__ From dlphillips at woh.rr.com Fri Sep 8 10:28:22 2006 From: dlphillips at woh.rr.com (Dave Phillips) Date: Fri Sep 8 10:07:33 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] sound recording application In-Reply-To: <20060908123459.GC9566@fliwatut.scifi> References: <200609071249.53669.lau@kudla.org> <1157648237.31541.175.camel@mindpipe> <1157657634.16186.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1157692698.15340.21.camel@gredesk> <20060908123459.GC9566@fliwatut.scifi> Message-ID: <45017E06.8020604@woh.rr.com> Frank Barknecht wrote: >Hallo, >glauber alex dias prado hat gesagt: // glauber alex dias prado wrote: > > > >>i was wondering isnt it best to have a compressed output like ogg or >>flac? i dont have such experience but how much of GB are we talking >>about with 4 hours of uncompressed audio? >> >> > >If you use ecasound as I recommended (and not the much less reliable >arecord that's all the rage in this thread's recent mails), you can >just replace .wav with .ogg in your command line and you will get a >compressed ogg-file recording instead. Same with mp3, if you have >configured an encoder in ecasoundrc. > > Agree++ with Frank, ecasound is the superior recommended choice. 1st-rate audio software for the Linux console. Best, dp From ico.bukvic at gmail.com Fri Sep 8 10:23:41 2006 From: ico.bukvic at gmail.com (Ivica Ico Bukvic) Date: Fri Sep 8 10:23:53 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] PCI Express or Firewire interface with TOSLINK In-Reply-To: <45014244.4070704@gmx.de> Message-ID: <000101c6d352$6305eeb0$3402a8c0@64BitBadass> > -----Original Message----- > From: linux-audio-user-bounces@music.columbia.edu [mailto:linux-audio- > user-bounces@music.columbia.edu] On Behalf Of Thomas Ilnseher > Sent: Friday, September 08, 2006 6:13 AM > To: A list for linux audio users > Subject: Re: [linux-audio-user] PCI Express or Firewire interface with > TOSLINK > > Richard Edward Horner wrote: > > Hi, > > > > I've been unable to find an interface that fits this bill. I'm hoping > > that either someone can recommend an interface that fits the bill or > > definitively tell me that one does not exist. > > > > I'm looking for either a PCI Express or Firewire interface that has AT > > LEAST 16 channels in and out (preferably 24) of lightpipe (TOSLINK) > > I/O that works in Linux as I'm wondering if it's possible to use an > > 02R96 with one of the new Mac Pros (which do not have any standard PCI > > slots). They come with TOSLINK I/O but it's only one port in and out > > and I imagine they probably aren't working in Linux yet. Those TOSLINK connections are stereo only or if you have an external AC3 decoder, then you could pull out a 5.1 (I've heard that they may have had some problems with this and that the feature might be temporarily unavailable). Either way, that particular connector is a far cry from your 24-channel requirement. Best wishes, Ico From tech at glastonburymusic.org.uk Fri Sep 8 10:44:49 2006 From: tech at glastonburymusic.org.uk (tim hall) Date: Fri Sep 8 10:45:00 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Just a little question In-Reply-To: <20060906224034.5d55500a@localhost> References: <20060906224034.5d55500a@localhost> Message-ID: <200609081544.49243.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> On Wednesday 06 September 2006 22:40, Folderol was like: > Does having RT kernel have any negative aspects when the computer is > used for general office work? Would it be best to use a different > computer for this (or different partition perhaps) and keep the audio > M/C strictly for audio and nothing else? AFAICT there are no particular disadvantages if you are using the RT options in the mainline kernel. If you have applied Ingo Molnar's patch there are known tradeoffs with stability and network speed, in which case you may be better off using a separate set-up for office work. I'm not sure about the security implications. -- cheers, tim hall http://glastonburymusic.org.uk/tim We are the people We've been waiting for. From lau at kudla.org Fri Sep 8 13:21:26 2006 From: lau at kudla.org (Rob) Date: Fri Sep 8 13:22:42 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] sound recording application In-Reply-To: <45017E06.8020604@woh.rr.com> References: <20060908123459.GC9566@fliwatut.scifi> <45017E06.8020604@woh.rr.com> Message-ID: <200609081321.27116.lau@kudla.org> On Friday 08 September 2006 10:28, Dave Phillips wrote: > Frank Barknecht wrote: > >If you use ecasound as I recommended (and not the much less > > reliable arecord that's all the rage in this thread's recent > > mails), you can just replace .wav with .ogg in your command > > line and you will get a compressed ogg-file recording > Agree++ with Frank, ecasound is the superior recommended > choice. 1st-rate audio software for the Linux console. Well? We've all been posting one-liners, so let's see one that uses ecasound. I didn't even know about asound when I started this thread, and I thought ecasound was some big horrific Tk application. Rob From columbiatwo at free.fr Fri Sep 8 14:37:28 2006 From: columbiatwo at free.fr (Jerome Tuncer) Date: Fri Sep 8 14:37:55 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Multiple sound interfaces, ALSA order detection Message-ID: <4501B868.2010307@free.fr> Hi everyone, I'm sorry if this has been dealt with before but I can't seem to find anything about it... I have two sound interfaces in my Debian unstable PC box: one being the motherboard (ASUS P4P800SE) chipset's (Intel ICH5) and the other a M Audio Delta 66. I want to be able to use both, the internal for mp3 playback/plain music listening and the Delta for music making (mainly Pure Data). I created aliases for the interfaces (in /etc/asound.conf) as indicated in Alsa's website docs: pcm.!default { type hw card 0 } ctl.!default { type hw card 0 } pcm.ICH5 { type hw card 1 device 0 } pcm.Delta66 { type hw card 0 device 0 } The remaining problem is that everytime I reboot, the order of the hw:0 and hw:1 is sometimes swapped i.e. one day hw:0 will be the ICH5 and the next day could be that the Delta is detected as hw:0. What do I have to do so that one order is preserved upon reboot/re-detection of the interfaces? ++ J? From ce at christeck.de Fri Sep 8 14:43:42 2006 From: ce at christeck.de (Christoph Eckert) Date: Fri Sep 8 14:44:25 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Multiple sound interfaces, ALSA order detection In-Reply-To: <4501B868.2010307@free.fr> References: <4501B868.2010307@free.fr> Message-ID: <200609082043.42959.ce@christeck.de> Hi, > What do I have to do so that one order is preserved upon > reboot/re-detection of the interfaces? /etc/modules.d/alsa on my Gentoo box: alias snd-card-0 snd-intel8x0 alias sound-slot-0 snd-intel8x0 alias snd-card-1 snd-intel8x0m alias snd-card-2 snd-usb-audio alias snd-card-3 snd-usb-audio alias snd-card-4 snd-usb-audio alias snd-card-5 snd-usb-audio alias snd-card-6 snd-usb-audio alias snd-card-7 snd-virmidi options snd-intel8x0 index=0 options snd-intel8x0m index=1 options snd-usb-audio index=2,3,4,5,6 vid=0x0582,0x0763,0x0763,0x0582,0x0ccd pid=0x0074,0x1033,0x0117,0x0009,0x0028 nrpacks=1 options snd-virmidi index=7 midi_devs=2 ce From rlrevell at joe-job.com Fri Sep 8 14:59:55 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Fri Sep 8 14:59:34 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Multiple sound interfaces, ALSA order detection In-Reply-To: <4501B868.2010307@free.fr> References: <4501B868.2010307@free.fr> Message-ID: <1157741995.5076.57.camel@mindpipe> On Fri, 2006-09-08 at 20:37 +0200, Jerome Tuncer wrote: > What do I have to do so that one order is preserved upon > reboot/re-detection of the interfaces? > With correct applications it should not be necessary to do anything; ALSA supports addressing devices by name. The .asoundrc should nto be needed either - in fact it could cause problems as you have defined the default devices to be hw:x which will bypass dmix. aplay -D default:ICH5 file.wav should play to the Intel card, and aplay -D default:Delta66 file.wav to the Delta66. Lee From yves_p at nnx.com Fri Sep 8 15:28:04 2006 From: yves_p at nnx.com (Yves Potin) Date: Fri Sep 8 15:28:12 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Rezound with gcc 4.1 Message-ID: <20060908192804.GB2721@localhost> Hi. Would anyone have a workaround for rezound to compile with gcc 4.1, i.e. with gentoo 2006.1 ? The problem is with fox 1.4 : http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=102606 And there's also this, which made me stop searching and posting this mail : http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=141426 What happens on my system is that I have fox 1.4 not compiling (parallel build failed), and as said in the bug report, even without any parallel compilation, it doesn't compile. But Fox 1.6 compiles fine, and then rezound asks for the previous version of fox and doesn't compile... Any help appreciated :). Thanks in advance, Y. From _ at whats-your.name Fri Sep 8 15:38:30 2006 From: _ at whats-your.name (carmen) Date: Fri Sep 8 15:39:01 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Rezound with gcc 4.1 In-Reply-To: <20060908192804.GB2721@localhost> References: <20060908192804.GB2721@localhost> Message-ID: <20060908193830.GA4274@replic.net> On Fri Sep 08, 2006 at 09:28:04PM +0200, Yves Potin wrote: > > Hi. > Would anyone have a workaround for rezound to compile with gcc > 4.1, i.e. with gentoo 2006.1 ? > The problem is with fox 1.4 : > http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=102606 > And there's also this, which made me stop searching and posting > this mail : > http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=141426 > What happens on my system is that I have fox 1.4 not compiling > (parallel build failed), and as said in the bug report, even without any > parallel compilation, it doesn't compile. But Fox 1.6 compiles fine, and > then rezound asks for the previous version of fox and doesn't compile... i gave up too. after hacking the autotools script to look for the fox version i had installed, and it broke due to version differences.. theres always mhwaveedit in a pinch. heres to hoping rezound and sweep work one day :) > Any help appreciated :). > Thanks in advance, > > Y. > From gimpel at sonnenkinder.org Fri Sep 8 16:20:45 2006 From: gimpel at sonnenkinder.org (Thomas Kuther) Date: Fri Sep 8 16:21:06 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Rezound with gcc 4.1 In-Reply-To: <20060908192804.GB2721@localhost> References: <20060908192804.GB2721@localhost> Message-ID: <20060908222045.7e52a5cf@SiRiUS.home> On Fri, 8 Sep 2006 21:28:04 +0200 yves_p@nnx.com (Yves Potin) wrote: > > Hi. > Would anyone have a workaround for rezound to compile with gcc > 4.1, i.e. with gentoo 2006.1 ? > The problem is with fox 1.4 : > http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=102606 > And there's also this, which made me stop searching and > posting this mail : > http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=141426 > What happens on my system is that I have fox 1.4 not compiling > (parallel build failed), and as said in the bug report, even without > any parallel compilation, it doesn't compile. But Fox 1.6 compiles > fine, and then rezound asks for the previous version of fox and > doesn't compile... Any help appreciated :). > Thanks in advance, > > Y. > Hi patches/ebuild etc available in the proaudio overlay. hard masked though. http://svnweb.tuxfamily.org/listing.php?repname=proaudio+%28ckpp%29&path=%2Fmedia-sound%2Frezound%2F&rev=0&sc=0 HTH Tom -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://music.columbia.edu/pipermail/linux-audio-user/attachments/20060908/6f0583c5/signature-0001.bin From juuso.alasuutari at tamperelainen.org Fri Sep 8 17:15:59 2006 From: juuso.alasuutari at tamperelainen.org (juuso.alasuutari@tamperelainen.org) Date: Fri Sep 8 17:13:13 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Multiple sound interfaces, ALSA order detection In-Reply-To: <4501B868.2010307@free.fr> References: <4501B868.2010307@free.fr> Message-ID: <1157750159.4501dd8f55668@cs1.alpha12.l-secure.net> Quoting Jerome Tuncer : > The remaining problem is that everytime I reboot, the order of the hw:0 > and hw:1 is sometimes swapped i.e. one day hw:0 will be the ICH5 and the > next day could be that the Delta is detected as hw:0. > > What do I have to do so that one order is preserved upon > reboot/re-detection of the interfaces? The problem is that the drivers aren't loaded in any set order during boot. This is not a bug, it's a feature of the Linux kernel. Luckily you can give the drivers index numbers so that they'll assume the same order every time no matter which one is loaded first. This will mean you'll always have fixed ALSA device numbering, too. Assuming you're using a 2.6 series kernel and have built the drivers as kernel modules, add these two lines in /etc/modprobe.conf (or create that file if it doesn't exist): options snd-usb-audio index=0 options snd-hda-intel index=1 (Notice that snd-usb-audio and snd-hda-intel are what I use for my Terratec USB sound card and Intel HD Audio chip, you'll need to replace them with whatever modules you use. Also notice that when some HOWTOs instruct you to modify modules.conf instead of modprobe.conf they're referring to systems with 2.4 series kernels.) If you have the drivers built-in, you can still assign index numbers to them by adding something like this to the boot command (in GRUB or LILO): snd-usb-audio.index=0 snd-hda-intel.index=1 Again you'll need to edit that to suit your needs. Hope this helps, Juuso ---------------------------------------------------------------- This mail sent through L-secure: http://www.l-secure.net/ From columbiatwo at free.fr Fri Sep 8 17:35:55 2006 From: columbiatwo at free.fr (Jerome Tuncer) Date: Fri Sep 8 17:36:27 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Multiple sound interfaces, ALSA order detection In-Reply-To: <1157741995.5076.57.camel@mindpipe> References: <4501B868.2010307@free.fr> <1157741995.5076.57.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <4501E23B.40507@free.fr> Thanks guys! Juuso, I think that's the kind of workaround I needed. There are still things I don't really understand with ALSA naming as Lee mentions: Let's take XMMS Alsa output plugin for example. It just asks for a device and the list displays exactly: P?riph?rique PCM par d?faut (default) MAudio Delta 66: ICE1712 multi (hw:0,0) Intel ICH5: Intel ICH5 (hw:1,0) Intel ICH5: Intel ICH5 - IEC1958 (hw:1,4) I tried what you said Lee about just providing a name to the driver, that is just writing "Intel ICH5" in the textfield and it doesn't seem to work (I should I have mentioned I have deleted my /etc/asound.conf and restarted the ALSA drivers)... How can ALSA refer to a card by just name without me providing the name in my /etc/asound.conf? Sorry for the noob question if it is one (-: ++ J? Lee Revell a ?crit : > On Fri, 2006-09-08 at 20:37 +0200, Jerome Tuncer wrote: >> What do I have to do so that one order is preserved upon >> reboot/re-detection of the interfaces? >> > > With correct applications it should not be necessary to do anything; > ALSA supports addressing devices by name. The .asoundrc should nto be > needed either - in fact it could cause problems as you have defined the > default devices to be hw:x which will bypass dmix. > > aplay -D default:ICH5 file.wav > > should play to the Intel card, and > > aplay -D default:Delta66 file.wav > > to the Delta66. > > Lee > > > From rlrevell at joe-job.com Fri Sep 8 17:45:21 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Fri Sep 8 17:45:06 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Multiple sound interfaces, ALSA order detection In-Reply-To: <4501E23B.40507@free.fr> References: <4501B868.2010307@free.fr> <1157741995.5076.57.camel@mindpipe> <4501E23B.40507@free.fr> Message-ID: <1157751921.5076.78.camel@mindpipe> On Fri, 2006-09-08 at 23:35 +0200, Jerome Tuncer wrote: > Thanks guys! > > Juuso, I think that's the kind of workaround I needed. > > There are still things I don't really understand with ALSA naming as Lee > mentions: > > Let's take XMMS Alsa output plugin for example. It just asks for a > device and the list displays exactly: > > P?riph?rique PCM par d?faut (default) > MAudio Delta 66: ICE1712 multi (hw:0,0) > Intel ICH5: Intel ICH5 (hw:1,0) > Intel ICH5: Intel ICH5 - IEC1958 (hw:1,4) > ALSA has no good device enumeration API and the device naming is completely undocumented so many applications don't have a good device list. > I tried what you said Lee about just providing a name to the driver, > that is just writing "Intel ICH5" in the textfield and it doesn't seem > to work (I should I have mentioned I have deleted my /etc/asound.conf > and restarted the ALSA drivers)... > You have to use the name from /proc/asound/cards. Did you try entering "default:ICH5"? > How can ALSA refer to a card by just name without me providing the name > in my /etc/asound.conf? > > Sorry for the noob question if it is one (-: > > ++ > > > J? > > > Lee Revell a ?crit : > > On Fri, 2006-09-08 at 20:37 +0200, Jerome Tuncer wrote: > >> What do I have to do so that one order is preserved upon > >> reboot/re-detection of the interfaces? > >> > > > > With correct applications it should not be necessary to do anything; > > ALSA supports addressing devices by name. The .asoundrc should nto be > > needed either - in fact it could cause problems as you have defined the > > default devices to be hw:x which will bypass dmix. > > > > aplay -D default:ICH5 file.wav > > > > should play to the Intel card, and > > > > aplay -D default:Delta66 file.wav > > > > to the Delta66. > > > > Lee > > > > > > > From lanas at securenet.net Fri Sep 8 17:51:54 2006 From: lanas at securenet.net (lanas) Date: Fri Sep 8 17:52:47 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Song (i.e. project) managers ? Message-ID: <20060908175154.0c8d8bf9@mistral.stie> Folks, Now that I got some things running (jack, Zyn, Hydrogen and Ardour) not int he best of ways, but still, I get fun from trying this and thus doing little jams. I reckon that I have a lot more to learn and would eventually like to use Studio64 (now using CCRMA) to take most benefit from the machine. So now that I do some jams using accoustic guitar and software-based sounds, I start to wonder if there are any song (i.e. project) managers out there that could, say, launch all apps with the proper settings according to a song ? Better yet. We have MIDI. This is quite a standard that everyone seems to adhere to. We have Jack. Now, is there a standard means to IPC between audio apps ? Such that a song manager could IPC (and eventually launch apps that are not running) to the various apps used for song, setting along the way the parameters for each app through IPC ? Such a song manager could, using this standardized IPC, get a dump of relevant settings from all apps contributing to a song project and save that to disk to be recalled at a later time. Project templates could also be made. So, are there any utilities like that out there ? Is it possible to IPC to at least some of the audio apps out there ? Cheers, Al From mle+la at mega-nerd.com Fri Sep 8 17:53:08 2006 From: mle+la at mega-nerd.com (Erik de Castro Lopo) Date: Fri Sep 8 17:53:47 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Rezound with gcc 4.1 In-Reply-To: <20060908193830.GA4274@replic.net> References: <20060908192804.GB2721@localhost> <20060908193830.GA4274@replic.net> Message-ID: <20060909075308.c18aacbc.mle+la@mega-nerd.com> carmen wrote: > theres always mhwaveedit in a pinch. heres to hoping rezound and > sweep work one day :) What it is about Sweep that doesn't work? Erik -- +-----------------------------------------------------------+ Erik de Castro Lopo +-----------------------------------------------------------+ The main confusion about C++ is that its practitioners think it is simultaneously a high and low level language when in reality it is good at neither. From a at gaydenko.com Fri Sep 8 17:54:37 2006 From: a at gaydenko.com (Andrew Gaydenko) Date: Fri Sep 8 17:55:21 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Rezound with gcc 4.1 In-Reply-To: <20060908222045.7e52a5cf@SiRiUS.home> References: <20060908192804.GB2721@localhost> <20060908222045.7e52a5cf@SiRiUS.home> Message-ID: <200609090154.38135@goldspace.net> Tom, Thanks for the info, I have 'rezound' again! :-) ======= On Saturday 09 September 2006 00:20, Thomas Kuther wrote: ======= ... patches/ebuild etc available in the proaudio overlay. hard masked though. http://svnweb.tuxfamily.org/listing.php?repname=proaudio+%28ckpp%29&path=%2Fmedia-sound%2Frezound%2F&rev=0&sc=0 HTH Tom From lanas at securenet.net Fri Sep 8 18:03:18 2006 From: lanas at securenet.net (lanas) Date: Fri Sep 8 18:04:09 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Axiom 25 keyboard Message-ID: <20060908180318.30189aa5@mistral.stie> Folks, To complete my base audio setup I got a M-Audio Axiom 25 keyboard. The small size makes it easy to fiddle (no pun) around with apps using both the machine keyboard and this music keyboard at the same desk, without moving the chair. Getting it out of the box I noticed the paper about setting it up on Windows. About 10 steps in small print. Sheesh. And then me with Linux. Was I looking at a yet 3-day installfest ? Fortunately, not. I plugged the USB cable of the thing, started Jack, et voil?, it simply appeared and was ready to be connected to Zyn. One funny thing to add on this is that the Axiom documentation (which has nothing on Linux) troubleshooting section mentions that it can be that the keyboard at one point eventually stops working. In that case it is said that Windows users should re-install the driver. Well, you know, I still have to see the day when a Linux kernel module that is perfectly working stops to do so ! On with the question. I'd like to use the rotary knobs for interesting things such as changing some of the so many parameters of the Zyn synth. Is this possible ? Is it possible with another synth ? Anyone out there using those Axiom rotary knobs in creative ways ? And, is it possible to use the play/stop/backward/forward buttons with Ardour or MuSE ? Cheers, Al From paul at linuxaudiosystems.com Fri Sep 8 18:07:16 2006 From: paul at linuxaudiosystems.com (Paul Davis) Date: Fri Sep 8 18:08:30 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Song (i.e. project) managers ? In-Reply-To: <20060908175154.0c8d8bf9@mistral.stie> References: <20060908175154.0c8d8bf9@mistral.stie> Message-ID: <1157753236.22613.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Fri, 2006-09-08 at 17:51 -0400, lanas wrote: > Better yet. We have MIDI. This is quite a standard that everyone > seems to adhere to. We have Jack. Now, is there a standard means to IPC > between audio apps ? Such that a song manager could IPC (and > eventually launch apps that are not running) to the various apps used > for song, setting along the way the parameters for each app through > IPC ? its called LASH (Linux Audio Session Handler). its a work in progress. not all apps support it. in fact not a lot do, but virtually all of them should. my own apps included (ardour in particular). --p From yves_p at nnx.com Fri Sep 8 18:39:46 2006 From: yves_p at nnx.com (Yves Potin) Date: Fri Sep 8 18:39:56 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Rezound with gcc 4.1 In-Reply-To: <20060908222045.7e52a5cf@SiRiUS.home> References: <20060908192804.GB2721@localhost> <20060908222045.7e52a5cf@SiRiUS.home> Message-ID: <20060908223946.GC2721@localhost> Le 08 Sep ? 22:20, Thomas Kuther ecrivait: > patches/ebuild etc available in the proaudio overlay. hard masked > though. Works perfectly. I've had already searched in the overlay, but not so deeply :). Thanks a lot :). Y. From mdeboer at iua.upf.edu Fri Sep 8 19:56:42 2006 From: mdeboer at iua.upf.edu (Maarten de Boer) Date: Fri Sep 8 19:57:35 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] sound recording application In-Reply-To: <20060908123459.GC9566@fliwatut.scifi> References: <200609071249.53669.lau@kudla.org> <1157648237.31541.175.camel@mindpipe> <1157657634.16186.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1157692698.15340.21.camel@gredesk> <20060908123459.GC9566@fliwatut.scifi> Message-ID: <20060909015642.e3beb437.mdeboer@iua.upf.edu> Hi, > If you use ecasound as I recommended (and not the much less reliable > arecord that's all the rage in this thread's recent mails), you can > just replace .wav with .ogg in your command line and you will get a > compressed ogg-file recording instead. Same with mp3, if you have > configured an encoder in ecasoundrc. Could you explain what you mean with "much less reliable" ? I often use arecord, and find it very reliable. I have never used ecasound, and since I often use arecord and oggenc in different settings, piping them together was the logical solution for me... And frankly, I find my arecord / oggenc oneliner (even simpler than I wrote in the first place, thanks to Paul Davis pointing out the -d flag) rather clear and straightforward. So, rather than learning a new application, I combine two I already know, including their command line arguments. And I could easily add other applications to the chain. arecord -f cd -d 14400 | oggenc -q 6 -o 4hours.ogg - arecord -f cd -d 14400 | lame -q 6 - 4hours.mp3 Anyway, as often, many ways to accomplish the same task! maarten From bumpycarrot at gmail.com Fri Sep 8 20:14:38 2006 From: bumpycarrot at gmail.com (Joseph Jones) Date: Fri Sep 8 20:14:45 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Using USB MIDI boxes with another soundcard under JACK? Message-ID: So I have an M-Audio Black Box guitar system, which I love for giving somewhere to plug my instrument-level gear straight into my little Shuttle that I use for audio work. Unfortunately, the Black Box doesn't have a midi-in (other than a clock port), so what I'm wondering is whether it's at all possible to use a seperate device to handle midi. I know you basically can't do that with audio devices, but I thought midi might be a possibility. Any help is much appreciated :) -- Joe Jones -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- Version: 3.1 GCS/MU d-- s+:-- a-- C++ UL+ L++ E---- W++ w M t(++) 5++ tv D++ e+ h-- ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------ From dana at ubuntustudio.com Fri Sep 8 20:50:36 2006 From: dana at ubuntustudio.com (Dana Olson) Date: Fri Sep 8 20:49:42 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Using USB MIDI boxes with another soundcard under JACK? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1157763036.14941.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Sat, 2006-09-09 at 01:14 +0100, Joseph Jones wrote: > So I have an M-Audio Black Box guitar system, which I love for giving > somewhere to plug my instrument-level gear straight into my little > Shuttle that I use for audio work. > > Unfortunately, the Black Box doesn't have a midi-in (other than a > clock port), so what I'm wondering is whether it's at all possible to > use a seperate device to handle midi. I know you basically can't do > that with audio devices, but I thought midi might be a possibility. > > Any help is much appreciated :) if you are trying to input midi into your pc, then you can use many sound card's midi port. there are also m-audio devices that have midi in and outputs on them, i believe they are called the midisport series, like 1x1, 2x2, 8x8, etc. i could be wrong, because i don't have one, i just have heard about them. i use my emu10k's mpu-401 as well as a usb keyboard. if you are trying to record your guitar as midi, then you can use a roland gk-2a or gk-3a pickup and a roland gi-10 or gi-20 to convert the output of the pickup into midi, and from there, plug it into a midisport or your sound card's midi port. hope that helps, and sorry for the no-caps thing, my right shift key is broken, and i don't use the left one. dana -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I > plugged the USB cable of the thing, started Jack, et voil?, it simply > appeared and was ready to be connected to Zyn. > > One funny thing to add on this is that the Axiom documentation > (which has nothing on Linux) troubleshooting section mentions that it > can be that the keyboard at one point eventually stops working. In that > case it is said that Windows users should re-install the driver. > > Well, you know, I still have to see the day when a Linux kernel module > that is perfectly working stops to do so ! > > On with the question. > > I'd like to use the rotary knobs for interesting things such as > changing some of the so many parameters of the Zyn synth. Is > this possible ? Is it possible with another synth ? > > Anyone out there using those Axiom rotary knobs in creative ways ? > > And, is it possible to use the play/stop/backward/forward buttons with > Ardour or MuSE ? > > Cheers, > Al > I have an evolution Mk425c with a similar collection of knobs and mmc buttons. This can all be used quite nicely with Om/ingen and the DSSI's i use. The mmc buttons work with ardour fine. Can't remember for muse. Loki From ats at offog.org Fri Sep 8 21:58:50 2006 From: ats at offog.org (Adam Sampson) Date: Fri Sep 8 21:59:14 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] sound recording application In-Reply-To: <200609081321.27116.lau@kudla.org> (lau@kudla.org's message of "Fri, 8 Sep 2006 13:21:26 -0400") References: <20060908123459.GC9566@fliwatut.scifi> <45017E06.8020604@woh.rr.com> <200609081321.27116.lau@kudla.org> Message-ID: Rob writes: > Well? We've all been posting one-liners, so let's see one that > uses ecasound. I'd use something along the lines of: ecasound -r -f:s32,2,44100 -i alsa -x -o recording.wav -t:1234 where "1234" is the time in seconds to record for. -- Adam Sampson From shakti at bayarea.net Sat Sep 9 01:30:34 2006 From: shakti at bayarea.net (Tracey Hytry) Date: Sat Sep 9 01:30:41 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Axiom 25 keyboard In-Reply-To: <20060908180318.30189aa5@mistral.stie> References: <20060908180318.30189aa5@mistral.stie> Message-ID: <20060908223034.c99b0fba.shakti@bayarea.net> > Anyone out there using those Axiom rotary knobs in creative ways ? > > And, is it possible to use the play/stop/backward/forward buttons with > Ardour or MuSE ? I just took a quick look at the manual http://www.m-audio.com/images/global/manuals/060801_Axiom_UG_EN01.pdf and it seems as easy to set up as the old radium49 or the trigger finger that we have. I don't think there should be any problems using it as a controller. If you run into any show stoppers, please let us know. The Axiom line seems like it could be a real nice keyboard and controller. Tracey. From eviltwin69 at cableone.net Sat Sep 9 02:32:56 2006 From: eviltwin69 at cableone.net (Jan Depner) Date: Sat Sep 9 02:47:53 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: flatwounds & JJ Cale In-Reply-To: <44FFFE28.5040708@woh.rr.com> References: <44E022A8.8040004@linuxuse.de> <20060816013807.B6197@linus.it.uts.EDU.AU> <44E28FD4.5010307@boosthardware.com> <44E29D44.7050402@boosthardware.com> <20060816154436.A29603@linus.it.uts.EDU.AU> <44E2B650.5020400@boosthardware.com> <44E2DC81.8030106@linuxuse.de> <44E2E237.4080201@boosthardware.com> <44E30038.4070704@linuxuse.de> <44E33151.6030901@woh.rr.com> <1155763763.3122.3.camel@eviltwin> <44FFFE28.5040708@woh.rr.com> Message-ID: <1157783576.7404.11.camel@eviltwin> On Thu, 2006-09-07 at 07:10 -0400, Dave Phillips wrote: > Jan Depner wrote: > > >On Wed, 2006-08-16 at 10:53 -0400, Dave Phillips wrote: > > > > > >>Cale's okay, not nearly so good a writer as Willis Alan Ramsey, but okay > >>for pop. > >> > >> > > > > > > I beg to differ. At least as far as the Naturally album is > >concerned. Everything on there is great. > > > > > He just doesn't reach me. Are you familiar with Willis Alan ? > Nope. I'll look him up on allofmp3.com when it comes back up ;-) Part of the reason that I like JJ Cale may be connected with the fact that I first heard him on my first surfing trip to Cape Hatteras. There are a lot of good memories associated with that trip. On the other hand, I really like his laid back style on Naturally. Clyde, Magnolia, Call Me The Breeze, After Midnight. He's probably Eric Clapton's favorite songwriter since he's covered at least two of his songs (After Midnight and Cocaine). It's interesting to compare his original version of After Midnight to Clapton's cover. Same thing with Call Me The Breeze compared to Lynyrd Skynyrd's cover. > [re: Mayall] > > > Mayall lost me when he said he never practiced harp playing. It's > >pretty obvious too ;-) > > > > > Still, I have to respect him. He dedicated his life to blues music at a > time when that wasn't a sure thing in the music world. > > Now everyone's a blues player, no experience necessary. Note that there > are damned few decent white blues *singers*, most aren't even as good > (?) as Mayall. > It's not blues but have you listened to James Hunter? He's a "new" guy out of England. R&B. Sounds just like Sam Cooke. I don't normally buy music (I hate the RIAA) but I bought his CD (he's on Rounder so there's no RIAA connection). > >>If you want to hear some core blues try Howlin' Wolf, Muddy Waters, or > >>Sonny Boy Williamson, especially the old Chess material. If you want to > >>go deeper, get the complete Blind Willie Johnson. (Apologies if you're > >>already aware of this stuff). > >> > >> > >> > > > > I prefer Robert Pete Williams, RL Burnside, and Son Thomas. But the > >players you mentioned are good too. ;-) > > > You think so ? :) > > I'm looking forward to the next local blues fest (Soulshine), Byron Lee > is playing. Daniel Ballinger is headlining, I don't think he's much of a > bluesman but he does know how to get a house rocking. > > Robert Pete, eh ? I have all his stuff, he's truly extraordinary. Saw RL > Burnside a few years ago, he was fine too. Alas, I haven't time to keep > up on the current crop of bluesman, white or otherwise, so I tend to > revert to the classics whenever I want to listen to core stuff. > I got to listen and talk to RL and Robert Pete Williams in 1980 at the New Orleans Jazz and Heritage Festival. A friend of mine grew up in Leland MS and knew RL. My sharpest memory of the event is RL and my friend standing behind RLs Cadillac taking a leak on the tires ;-) Jan -- Jan 'Evil Twin' Depner The Fuzzy Dice http://myweb.cableone.net/eviltwin69/fuzzy.html "As we enjoy great advantages from the invention of others, we should be glad of an opportunity to serve others by any invention of ours, and this we should do freely and generously." Benjamin Franklin, on declining patents offered by the governor of Pennsylvania for his "Pennsylvania Fireplace", c. 1744 From gimpel at sonnenkinder.org Sat Sep 9 04:16:21 2006 From: gimpel at sonnenkinder.org (Thomas Kuther) Date: Sat Sep 9 04:16:45 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Rezound with gcc 4.1 In-Reply-To: <20060908223946.GC2721@localhost> References: <20060908192804.GB2721@localhost> <20060908222045.7e52a5cf@SiRiUS.home> <20060908223946.GC2721@localhost> Message-ID: <20060909101621.0b179d56@SiRiUS.home> On Sat, 9 Sep 2006 00:39:46 +0200 yves_p@nnx.com (Yves Potin) wrote: > Le 08 Sep ? 22:20, Thomas Kuther ecrivait: > > > patches/ebuild etc available in the proaudio overlay. hard masked > > though. > > Works perfectly. I've had already searched in the overlay, > but not so deeply :). > Thanks a lot :). > > Y. > Nice it works ;) Going to remove it from package.mask then, so it isn't that hidden in the overlay. Regards Tom -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://music.columbia.edu/pipermail/linux-audio-user/attachments/20060909/e27f09b0/signature-0001.bin From fbar at footils.org Sat Sep 9 05:43:41 2006 From: fbar at footils.org (Frank Barknecht) Date: Sat Sep 9 05:44:26 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Using USB MIDI boxes with another soundcard under JACK? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20060909094341.GB22095@fliwatut.scifi> Hallo, Joseph Jones hat gesagt: // Joseph Jones wrote: > So I have an M-Audio Black Box guitar system, which I love for giving > somewhere to plug my instrument-level gear straight into my little > Shuttle that I use for audio work. > > Unfortunately, the Black Box doesn't have a midi-in (other than a > clock port), so what I'm wondering is whether it's at all possible to > use a seperate device to handle midi. I know you basically can't do > that with audio devices, but I thought midi might be a possibility. That's no problem at all. Just get one of the cheap USB-midi adapters supported (search http://www.qbik.ch/usb/devices/ for "midi") and load the "snd-usb-audio" module to activate it like you would activate a USB-audio card. You may want to use the option "index=NUM" when loading snd-usb-audio to put your midi device at a certain position. E.g. "modprobe snd-usb-audio index=1" will make your snd-usb-audio card be the second card in your system. You can make this permanent by adding "option snd-usb-audio index=1" somewhere in your modprobe-configuration, (/etc/modprobe.d/sound or similar, depends on distribution) If you have two usb-audio cards (I think the Black Box is usb-audio as well?) you should take a look at the pid and vid options and use a line like this: options snd-usb-audio index=0,1 vid=0x0ccd,0x0763 pid=0x0028,0x0117 You get the vid and pid values from looking at the output of "lsusb" for a long enough time. Ciao -- Frank Barknecht _ ______footils.org_ __goto10.org__ From dlphillips at woh.rr.com Sat Sep 9 08:22:41 2006 From: dlphillips at woh.rr.com (Dave Phillips) Date: Sat Sep 9 08:01:44 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: flatwounds & JJ Cale In-Reply-To: <1157783576.7404.11.camel@eviltwin> References: <44E022A8.8040004@linuxuse.de> <20060816013807.B6197@linus.it.uts.EDU.AU> <44E28FD4.5010307@boosthardware.com> <44E29D44.7050402@boosthardware.com> <20060816154436.A29603@linus.it.uts.EDU.AU> <44E2B650.5020400@boosthardware.com> <44E2DC81.8030106@linuxuse.de> <44E2E237.4080201@boosthardware.com> <44E30038.4070704@linuxuse.de> <44E33151.6030901@woh.rr.com> <1155763763.3122.3.camel@eviltwin> <44FFFE28.5040708@woh.rr.com> <1157783576.7404.11.camel@eviltwin> Message-ID: <4502B211.3030108@woh.rr.com> Jan Depner wrote: >On Thu, 2006-09-07 at 07:10 -0400, Dave Phillips wrote: > > >>... Are you familiar with Willis Alan ? >> >> > > Nope. I'll look him up on allofmp3.com when it comes back up ;-) >Part of the reason that I like JJ Cale may be connected with the fact >that I first heard him on my first surfing trip to Cape Hatteras... > > A friend and I were discussing Slick Ballinger's performance at last year's Soulshine festival. He was listening to the tapes and remarked that the music was pretty dismal without the visual. However, I must confess that I like the Cale songs you mentioned (he's certainly not dismal), those must be among his best. Oh, and IIRC he plays on Willis Alan's recording. It's a Shelter release, so the guests include Leon Russell and Greg Allman. You've heard at least one Willis Alan song, I'm sure: Muskrat Ramble aka Muskrat Candlelight, done to death by the Captain & Tenille. They really ruined a beautiful tune, just listen to Willis Alan's original. Buffett recorded the awesome Ballad Of Spider John, and other Willis Alan songs have been recorded by America, Rusty Young, and Lyle Lovett. Pat Green was working with him a few years back. A friend of mine, Terry McClanahan, played quite a lot with Willis in Colorado. He said the rumors were true, Willis is a sweet guy who can't stand to play in front of a crowd of more than a few hundred people. He made a boatload of bucks with Muskrat Candlelight, but he made only one album (we call 'em albums in my neck of the woods), and every song is a killer. Do check him out, let me know how you like him. Btw, are you familiar with Radney Foster's work ? >It's not blues but have you listened to James Hunter? He's a "new" >guy out of England. R&B. Sounds just like Sam Cooke. I don't normally >buy music (I hate the RIAA) but I bought his CD (he's on Rounder so >there's no RIAA connection). > > Cool, I'll check him out, thanks for the recommendation. I've always thought that Peter Gabriel and Steve Winwood had truly great "blues" voices, regardless of style or fleshtone. I know they're not bluesmen, but they have the sound that moves me the way the great bluesers do. I've stopped purchasing RIAA music too. There's simply no need anymore, there are so many alternatives. > I got to listen and talk to RL and Robert Pete Williams in 1980 at >the New Orleans Jazz and Heritage Festival. A friend of mine grew up in >Leland MS and knew RL. My sharpest memory of the event is RL and my >friend standing behind RLs Cadillac taking a leak on the tires ;-) > > We have acces to a lot of the players who perform at the Soulshine festival, many of whom are pretty idiosyncratic. Their vehicles are always noteworthy. Fishing is a large factor in the overall accoutrement. :) Btw, what's happening with your group ? Best, dp From dlphillips at woh.rr.com Sat Sep 9 09:38:29 2006 From: dlphillips at woh.rr.com (Dave Phillips) Date: Sat Sep 9 09:17:30 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Very short composition In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4502C3D5.7020307@woh.rr.com> Tim Howard wrote: > Here is my first ever piece of Pure Linux Audio to be released to the > general public.... [snip] > > Please give me some feedback! I would love to learn ways to produce > better music with these programs. Hi Tim: I listened to your piece a few times, here's some ideas you might want to consider. I think you're on the right track with regards to layering your instruments. However, you should take more time balancing the separate tracks. Right now the instruments aren't blending so well. The guitar is a little too far up front, and your other instruments need more attention to their relationship with the guitar part. I realize that you're excited by the possibilities opened up by this great software we have, but perhaps you should take more time with the details of your mix. Edits and retakes are parts of the creative process, you'll find and do new things as you go over your work with the proverbial fine-tooth comb. Keep it up, send more stuff. :) Best regards, dp From fbar at footils.org Sat Sep 9 09:44:26 2006 From: fbar at footils.org (Frank Barknecht) Date: Sat Sep 9 09:45:06 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] sound recording application In-Reply-To: <20060909015642.e3beb437.mdeboer@iua.upf.edu> References: <200609071249.53669.lau@kudla.org> <1157648237.31541.175.camel@mindpipe> <1157657634.16186.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1157692698.15340.21.camel@gredesk> <20060908123459.GC9566@fliwatut.scifi> <20060909015642.e3beb437.mdeboer@iua.upf.edu> Message-ID: <20060909134426.GE22095@fliwatut.scifi> Hallo, Maarten de Boer hat gesagt: // Maarten de Boer wrote: > Could you explain what you mean with "much less reliable" ? > I often use arecord, and find it very reliable. arecord doesn't have a realtime priority mode, nuff said. If arecord works for you, that's cool, but as I needed something that would work daily, automatically and for years, I felt much better with ecasound. And the command lines are just as simple as with arecord: Record an ogg file from the "default" ALSA device: $ ecasound -i alsa,default -o some.ogg Record with realtime mode and double buffering: $ ecasound -rt -z:db -i alsa,default -o some.ogg Record this way for an hour: $ ecasound -t 3600 -rt -z:db -i alsa,default -o some.ogg Ciao -- Frank Barknecht _ ______footils.org_ __goto10.org__ From notmyprivateemail at gmail.com Sat Sep 9 10:02:33 2006 From: notmyprivateemail at gmail.com (Alex Polite) Date: Sat Sep 9 10:02:45 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] OT Good material for DIY headset microphone. Message-ID: This is really OT. I'm thinking of doing some experimentation with audio beamforming[1]. For this I need to construct my own headset microphones, with multiple microphone capsules per headset. Getting the capsules, the microphone wire and doing the soldering should be dead simple. But I have no idea as to what material to use for the frame. A very thick metal wire surrounded in some kind of foam, maybe? Wire is good because it's easy to form during construction of the headset, but bad because it's also easy to deform when using the headset. The ideal material would be some kind of plastic that behaves like thick metal wire until you bake. Then after you've baked it, it should behave more like the plastic used in ordinary headsets and headphones. TIA alex [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beamforming Some pics of headset mics: http://tinyurl.com/mz36a http://tinyurl.com/lt7yy http://tinyurl.com/r69a7 http://tinyurl.com/e8z6d -- Alex Polite From eviltwin69 at cableone.net Sat Sep 9 09:54:22 2006 From: eviltwin69 at cableone.net (Jan Depner) Date: Sat Sep 9 10:09:22 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: flatwounds & JJ Cale In-Reply-To: <4502B211.3030108@woh.rr.com> References: <44E022A8.8040004@linuxuse.de> <20060816013807.B6197@linus.it.uts.EDU.AU> <44E28FD4.5010307@boosthardware.com> <44E29D44.7050402@boosthardware.com> <20060816154436.A29603@linus.it.uts.EDU.AU> <44E2B650.5020400@boosthardware.com> <44E2DC81.8030106@linuxuse.de> <44E2E237.4080201@boosthardware.com> <44E30038.4070704@linuxuse.de> <44E33151.6030901@woh.rr.com> <1155763763.3122.3.camel@eviltwin> <44FFFE28.5040708@woh.rr.com> <1157783576.7404.11.camel@eviltwin> <4502B211.3030108@woh.rr.com> Message-ID: <1157810062.10032.14.camel@eviltwin> On Sat, 2006-09-09 at 08:22 -0400, Dave Phillips wrote: > Jan Depner wrote: > > >On Thu, 2006-09-07 at 07:10 -0400, Dave Phillips wrote: > > > > > >>... Are you familiar with Willis Alan ? > >> > >> > > > > Nope. I'll look him up on allofmp3.com when it comes back up ;-) > >Part of the reason that I like JJ Cale may be connected with the fact > >that I first heard him on my first surfing trip to Cape Hatteras... > > > > > A friend and I were discussing Slick Ballinger's performance at last > year's Soulshine festival. He was listening to the tapes and remarked > that the music was pretty dismal without the visual. However, I must > confess that I like the Cale songs you mentioned (he's certainly not > dismal), those must be among his best. > That's the only album of his that I like. In the same vein though I like most of Ry Cooder's stuff. > Oh, and IIRC he plays on Willis Alan's recording. It's a Shelter > release, so the guests include Leon Russell and Greg Allman. You've > heard at least one Willis Alan song, I'm sure: Muskrat Ramble aka > Muskrat Candlelight, done to death by the Captain & Tenille. They really > ruined a beautiful tune, just listen to Willis Alan's original. Buffett > recorded the awesome Ballad Of Spider John, and other Willis Alan songs > have been recorded by America, Rusty Young, and Lyle Lovett. Pat Green > was working with him a few years back. > The Captain and Toenail - aaaaaaaarrrrrrgggghhhhh! I couldn't stand them. Spider John is my favorite Buffett song. I had forgotten who wrote it. I have the album (also known as BBCD - Big Black CD. I've got about 500 of them). > A friend of mine, Terry McClanahan, played quite a lot with Willis in > Colorado. He said the rumors were true, Willis is a sweet guy who can't > stand to play in front of a crowd of more than a few hundred people. He > made a boatload of bucks with Muskrat Candlelight, but he made only one > album (we call 'em albums in my neck of the woods), and every song is a > killer. Do check him out, let me know how you like him. > I can't find him on allofmp3.com so I'll have to look elsewhere. > Btw, are you familiar with Radney Foster's work ? > I've heard some of it but I don't normally listen to "country". > >It's not blues but have you listened to James Hunter? He's a "new" > >guy out of England. R&B. Sounds just like Sam Cooke. I don't normally > >buy music (I hate the RIAA) but I bought his CD (he's on Rounder so > >there's no RIAA connection). > > > > > Cool, I'll check him out, thanks for the recommendation. I've always > thought that Peter Gabriel and Steve Winwood had truly great "blues" > voices, regardless of style or fleshtone. I know they're not bluesmen, > but they have the sound that moves me the way the great bluesers do. > Two of my favorites. I always thought most people didn't get Stevie. > I've stopped purchasing RIAA music too. There's simply no need anymore, > there are so many alternatives. > The MySpace music thing should be pretty cool. I'm thinking about loading my stuff up there. > > I got to listen and talk to RL and Robert Pete Williams in 1980 at > >the New Orleans Jazz and Heritage Festival. A friend of mine grew up in > >Leland MS and knew RL. My sharpest memory of the event is RL and my > >friend standing behind RLs Cadillac taking a leak on the tires ;-) > > > > > We have acces to a lot of the players who perform at the Soulshine > festival, many of whom are pretty idiosyncratic. Their vehicles are > always noteworthy. Fishing is a large factor in the overall accoutrement. :) > > Btw, what's happening with your group ? > The Fuzzy Dice is pretty much on hold. We play about twice a year. Katrina wiped out all of the places we were playing. Most of that band is/was from Slidell LA and I live in Long Beach MS so we have very few venues left. Our agent lived in Waveland MS so he got completely wiped out and kinda disappeared into the woodwork. My other band, Charlie Foxtrot, is playing every weekend though. It's a classic rock band with pretty fair personnel. Henry Harrington was Mickey Gilley's lead guitarist for about 15 years (including Urban Cowboy - he's in about two seconds of the movie). Jerry O'Rourke was Freddy Fender's bass player during that same time frame. They met each other on the road in Japan of all places (they both live in Slidell). My drummer has been playing for about 40 years. Everybody sings so we have 3 and 4 part harmony. At the moment we're just a cover band. I've got some original stuff and so does Henry but we never get time to sit down and work it up. Have you got a band going at present or is the book taking most of your time? I'm so busy at work that I bring it home on weekends (I do scientific applications programming for sonar and LIDAR data processing). That and the band are my excuses for not getting a chance to work on the chapter yet ;-) Jan -- Jan 'Evil Twin' Depner The Fuzzy Dice http://myweb.cableone.net/eviltwin69/fuzzy.html "As we enjoy great advantages from the invention of others, we should be glad of an opportunity to serve others by any invention of ours, and this we should do freely and generously." Benjamin Franklin, on declining patents offered by the governor of Pennsylvania for his "Pennsylvania Fireplace", c. 1744 From dlphillips at woh.rr.com Sat Sep 9 10:53:15 2006 From: dlphillips at woh.rr.com (Dave Phillips) Date: Sat Sep 9 10:32:20 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: flatwounds & JJ Cale In-Reply-To: <1157810062.10032.14.camel@eviltwin> References: <44E022A8.8040004@linuxuse.de> <20060816013807.B6197@linus.it.uts.EDU.AU> <44E28FD4.5010307@boosthardware.com> <44E29D44.7050402@boosthardware.com> <20060816154436.A29603@linus.it.uts.EDU.AU> <44E2B650.5020400@boosthardware.com> <44E2DC81.8030106@linuxuse.de> <44E2E237.4080201@boosthardware.com> <44E30038.4070704@linuxuse.de> <44E33151.6030901@woh.rr.com> <1155763763.3122.3.camel@eviltwin> <44FFFE28.5040708@woh.rr.com> <1157783576.7404.11.camel@eviltwin> <4502B211.3030108@woh.rr.com> <1157810062.10032.14.camel@eviltwin> Message-ID: <4502D55B.1030400@woh.rr.com> Jan Depner wrote: >... I like most of Ry Cooder's stuff. > > Wonderful musician. I worked for a few years at McCabe's in Los Angeles, he was a legend there. The owner said Ry would skip school and hang out there, pissing off older players by learning Skip James songs in a few days. I saw him lead a trio in one of the weirdest concerts I've seen, opening for Captain Beefheart. Did you know that Cooder played on Beefheart's first LP ? It was a great show, Beefheart was memorable. [re: Willis Alan] > I can't find him on allofmp3.com so I'll have to look elsewhere. > > One LP on Shelter, self-titled. Good luck. [re: Radney Foster] > I've heard some of it but I don't normally listen to "country". > > Definitely in quotes for Radney. He's country like Buddy Holly was country. He's a fine writer, and he's got a great band. > The Fuzzy Dice is pretty much on hold. We play about twice a year. >Katrina wiped out all of the places we were playing... > Jeez. That sucks. > My other band, Charlie >Foxtrot, is playing every weekend though. It's a classic rock band with >pretty fair personnel. Henry Harrington was Mickey Gilley's lead >guitarist for about 15 years (including Urban Cowboy - he's in about two >seconds of the movie). Jerry O'Rourke was Freddy Fender's bass player >during that same time frame. They met each other on the road in Japan >of all places (they both live in Slidell). My drummer has been playing >for about 40 years. Everybody sings so we have 3 and 4 part harmony. >At the moment we're just a cover band. I've got some original stuff and >so does Henry but we never get time to sit down and work it up. > > You're a lucky guy. I don't have a lot of choice for players here, but I might put something together again soon. All of a sudden the clubs here are hiring, they've been adding patios and outdoor stages, so I'm looking at maybe scoring a steady gig for a while. I prefer a house gig now. :) Best, dp From basscheez at zoominternet.net Sat Sep 9 10:41:43 2006 From: basscheez at zoominternet.net (Steven Walker) Date: Sat Sep 9 10:40:06 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re:FreeBob compiling problem Message-ID: <1157812903.21802.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> OK, I installed Subversion and got the latest libiec61883 code, but I still can't run autoconf (or autoreconf, as Pieter suggested). The output I get looks like this: [root@localhost libiec61883]# autoreconf -f -i -s Can't locate File/stat.pm in @INC (@INC contains: /usr/share/autoconf /usr/lib/perl5/5.8.8/i386-linux /usr/lib/perl5/5.8.8 /usr/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.8.8/i386-linux /usr/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.8.8 /usr/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.8.6 /usr/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.8.5 /usr/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.8.4 /usr/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.8.3 /usr/lib/perl5/site_perl /usr/lib/perl5/vendor_perl/5.8.8/i386-linux /usr/lib/perl5/vendor_perl/5.8.8 /usr/lib/perl5/vendor_perl/5.8.6 /usr/lib/perl5/vendor_perl/5.8.5 /usr/lib/perl5/vendor_perl/5.8.4 /usr/lib/perl5/vendor_perl/5.8.3 /usr/lib/perl5/vendor_perl .) at /usr/share/autoconf/Autom4te/FileUtils.pm line 36. BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at /usr/share/autoconf/Autom4te/FileUtils.pm line 36. Compilation failed in require at /usr/bin/autoreconf line 45. BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at /usr/bin/autoreconf line 45. So I locate stat.pm: [root@localhost libiec61883]# locate stat.pm /usr/local/lib/perl5/5.8.8/File/stat.pm /usr/src/perl-5.8.8/lib/File/stat.pm /usr/lib/perl5/5.8.6/File/stat.pm Sure enough, none of those paths are in the @INC array. Can anyone tell me how to add paths to the @INC environment variable? Thanks, Steve From rlrevell at joe-job.com Sat Sep 9 13:26:58 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Sat Sep 9 13:26:34 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] sound recording application In-Reply-To: <20060909134426.GE22095@fliwatut.scifi> References: <200609071249.53669.lau@kudla.org> <1157648237.31541.175.camel@mindpipe> <1157657634.16186.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1157692698.15340.21.camel@gredesk> <20060908123459.GC9566@fliwatut.scifi> <20060909015642.e3beb437.mdeboer@iua.upf.edu> <20060909134426.GE22095@fliwatut.scifi> Message-ID: <1157822819.5076.135.camel@mindpipe> On Sat, 2006-09-09 at 15:44 +0200, Frank Barknecht wrote: > Hallo, > Maarten de Boer hat gesagt: // Maarten de Boer wrote: > > > Could you explain what you mean with "much less reliable" ? > > I often use arecord, and find it very reliable. > > > arecord doesn't have a realtime priority mode, nuff said. > > If arecord works for you, that's cool, but as I needed something that > would work daily, automatically and for years, I felt much better with > ecasound. And the command lines are just as simple as with arecord: Yep - arecord is not meant to be very useful - it's a reference implementation for ALSA application developers and for testing drivers. Lee From linuxuadio at rytmisk.net Sun Sep 10 08:10:57 2006 From: linuxuadio at rytmisk.net (Ketil Thorgersen) Date: Sun Sep 10 08:11:25 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Musix GNU/Linux 0.59 released In-Reply-To: <200609061512.21793.marcospcmusica@gmail.com> References: <200609061512.21793.marcospcmusica@gmail.com> Message-ID: <450400D1.8030908@rytmisk.net> This looks absolutely fantastic! I really like this project lot!! However for some strange reason both this (0.59) and the previous iso fails to come up on my fairly ordinary laptop with an intel i810 graphics card. This has been coming up fine on every distribution I have tried so why does it not work with musix? Your desktop is really the best out there so I would like to be able to use it! What's up with your forums by the way? Best regards Ketil From mail at jensgulden.de Sun Sep 10 09:06:06 2006 From: mail at jensgulden.de (Jens Gulden) Date: Sun Sep 10 09:06:16 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Musix GNU/Linux 0.59 released In-Reply-To: <450400D1.8030908@rytmisk.net> References: <200609061512.21793.marcospcmusica@gmail.com> <450400D1.8030908@rytmisk.net> Message-ID: <45040DBE.5070109@jensgulden.de> Hi, > This looks absolutely fantastic! I really like this project lot!! I second that. Musix is good quality stuff, obviously done with a lot of love for the project. And they currently seem to make quite some progress in releasing new versions. > fails to come up on my fairly ordinary laptop Have you tried both the realtime and normal kernel variants? (I.e., enter "englishrt" vs. "english" at the boot prompt?) I am in the completely opposite situation: for an old broken laptop of mine, which no longer has a harddisk, Musix is the ONLY Linux-live distribution among all I know (music-oriented and any others) which makes a 2.6-kernel start. It doesn't work with the normal kernel, but runs perfectly with the realtime-kernel, tested with 0.49, 0.50 and 0.59. I hope they plan to include SuperCollider soon! Jens Ketil Thorgersen schrieb: > This looks absolutely fantastic! I really like this project lot!! > However for some strange reason both this (0.59) and the previous iso > fails to come up on my fairly ordinary laptop with an intel i810 > graphics card. This has been coming up fine on every distribution I have > tried so why does it not work with musix? Your desktop is really the > best out there so I would like to be able to use it! > > What's up with your forums by the way? > Best regards > Ketil From marcospcmusica at gmail.com Sun Sep 10 07:09:55 2006 From: marcospcmusica at gmail.com (Marcos Guglielmetti) Date: Sun Sep 10 12:07:47 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Musix GNU/Linux 0.59 released In-Reply-To: <450400D1.8030908@rytmisk.net> References: <200609061512.21793.marcospcmusica@gmail.com> <450400D1.8030908@rytmisk.net> Message-ID: <200609101309.56238.marcospcmusica@gmail.com> El Domingo, 10 de Septiembre de 2006 14:10, Ketil Thorgersen escribi?: > This looks absolutely fantastic! I really like this project lot!! Well, that's nice > However for some strange reason both this (0.59) and the previous iso > fails to come up on my fairly ordinary laptop with an intel i810 > graphics card. fails to come up? What do you mean exactly? video problems? > This has been coming up fine on every distribution I > have tried so why does it not work with musix? Your desktop is really > the best out there so I would like to be able to use it! > > What's up with your forums by the way? It was hosted by a web that is not up, for now, so we will change the server... You can try http://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/musix-users Best regards -- Marcos Guglielmetti * Director del desarrollo de Musix GNU+Linux, 100% Software Libre * CD Donwload: (http://www.musix.org.ar/en/) (www.pc-musica.com.ar/musix) * Videos, programas y otras cosas en: ftp://musix.ourproject.org/pub/musix/ * Reporte de errores a: https://www.musix.org.ar/wiki/index.php?title=Problemas-Bugs *IRC: #musix channel on freenode From dlphillips at woh.rr.com Sun Sep 10 12:47:05 2006 From: dlphillips at woh.rr.com (Dave Phillips) Date: Sun Sep 10 12:25:57 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Musix GNU/Linux 0.59 released In-Reply-To: <200609101309.56238.marcospcmusica@gmail.com> References: <200609061512.21793.marcospcmusica@gmail.com> <450400D1.8030908@rytmisk.net> <200609101309.56238.marcospcmusica@gmail.com> Message-ID: <45044189.9060909@woh.rr.com> Marcos Guglielmetti wrote: >El Domingo, 10 de Septiembre de 2006 14:10, Ketil Thorgersen escribi?: > > This looks absolutely fantastic! I really like this project lot!! > >Well, that's nice > > > However for some strange reason both this (0.59) and the previous iso > > fails to come up on my fairly ordinary laptop with an intel i810 > > graphics card. > >fails to come up? What do you mean exactly? video problems? > I burned the ISO to disc, but it's not recognized by the system when booting. I burned ISOs of Apodio and Dynebolic this morning, they worked fine. I burned two discs for Musix, neither worked. I think something's wrong with the image. Best, dp From marcospcmusica at gmail.com Sun Sep 10 07:41:12 2006 From: marcospcmusica at gmail.com (Marcos Guglielmetti) Date: Sun Sep 10 12:38:54 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Musix GNU/Linux 0.59 released In-Reply-To: <45044189.9060909@woh.rr.com> References: <200609061512.21793.marcospcmusica@gmail.com> <200609101309.56238.marcospcmusica@gmail.com> <45044189.9060909@woh.rr.com> Message-ID: <200609101341.12558.marcospcmusica@gmail.com> El Domingo, 10 de Septiembre de 2006 18:47, Dave Phillips escribi?: > Marcos Guglielmetti wrote: > >El Domingo, 10 de Septiembre de 2006 14:10, Ketil Thorgersen escribi?: > > > This looks absolutely fantastic! I really like this project > > > lot!! > > > >Well, that's nice > > > > > However for some strange reason both this (0.59) and the > > > previous iso fails to come up on my fairly ordinary laptop > > > with an intel i810 graphics card. > > > >fails to come up? What do you mean exactly? video problems? > > I burned the ISO to disc, but it's not recognized by the system when > booting. Thanks for reporting: there are users that had used Musix 0.59 without problems, that's odd... I will wait a few hours to see if the ISO image is really damaged: does the md5 check goes well? md5: 3ea12a2014a3d60e208f17a1b845734b > I burned ISOs of Apodio and Dynebolic this morning, they > worked fine. I burned two discs for Musix, neither worked. I think > something's wrong with the image. Try md5sum, please, and let us know! try burning at lower speeds too... -- Marcos Guglielmetti * Director del desarrollo de Musix GNU+Linux, 100% Software Libre * CD Donwload: (http://www.musix.org.ar/en/) (www.pc-musica.com.ar/musix) * Videos, programas y otras cosas en: ftp://musix.ourproject.org/pub/musix/ * Reporte de errores a: https://www.musix.org.ar/wiki/index.php?title=Problemas-Bugs *IRC: #musix channel on freenode From linuxuadio at rytmisk.net Sun Sep 10 13:42:45 2006 From: linuxuadio at rytmisk.net (Ketil Thorgersen) Date: Sun Sep 10 13:43:30 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Musix GNU/Linux 0.59 released In-Reply-To: <45040DBE.5070109@jensgulden.de> References: <200609061512.21793.marcospcmusica@gmail.com> <450400D1.8030908@rytmisk.net> <45040DBE.5070109@jensgulden.de> Message-ID: <45044E95.50108@rytmisk.net> Jens Gulden skrev: > Hi, > >> This looks absolutely fantastic! I really like this project lot!! > > I second that. Musix is good quality stuff, obviously done with a lot > of love for the project. And they currently seem to make quite some > progress in releasing new versions. > >> fails to come up on my fairly ordinary laptop > > Have you tried both the realtime and normal kernel variants? (I.e., > enter "englishrt" vs. "english" at the boot prompt?) > Actually I had not so I tried... And it worked without the rt option. However that renders the distribution worthless since I aim to use it for music. ...unless of course that means that I could install it with the regular kernel and then install the rt kernel later. WOuld that work?? Another problem is with my wireless network, but that is usual... Ndiwrapper should be compiled in though(intel bg2200 - should work on regular knoppix I read) Best Ketil From linuxuadio at rytmisk.net Sun Sep 10 13:52:32 2006 From: linuxuadio at rytmisk.net (Ketil Thorgersen) Date: Sun Sep 10 13:53:02 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Musix GNU/Linux 0.59 released In-Reply-To: <45044189.9060909@woh.rr.com> References: <200609061512.21793.marcospcmusica@gmail.com> <450400D1.8030908@rytmisk.net> <200609101309.56238.marcospcmusica@gmail.com> <45044189.9060909@woh.rr.com> Message-ID: <450450E0.2090108@rytmisk.net> > However for some strange reason both this (0.59) and the previous iso >> > fails to come up on my fairly ordinary laptop with an intel i810 >> > graphics card. >> fails to come up? What do you mean exactly? video problems? Yes. I get the prompt with the menu. I write menu and choose video config (when no other option works) and tries all 3 autoconfig options. Noone works. Then I try manual setup which worked with the previous release, but not in 0.59. But as I wrote - it works with the non-rt kernel. Hopes for a fix as this looks perfect! Ketil From pinojazz at gmail.com Sun Sep 10 18:05:20 2006 From: pinojazz at gmail.com (Carlos Pino) Date: Sun Sep 10 16:05:31 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Musix GNU/Linux 0.59 released In-Reply-To: <200609101341.12558.marcospcmusica@gmail.com> References: <200609061512.21793.marcospcmusica@gmail.com> <200609101309.56238.marcospcmusica@gmail.com> <45044189.9060909@woh.rr.com> <200609101341.12558.marcospcmusica@gmail.com> Message-ID: <45048C20.2090704@gmail.com> Marcos Guglielmetti escribi?: > El Domingo, 10 de Septiembre de 2006 18:47, Dave Phillips escribi?: > > I burned the ISO to disc, but it's not recognized by the system when > > booting. > > Thanks for reporting: there are users that had used Musix 0.59 without > problems, that's odd... I will wait a few hours to see if the ISO image is > really damaged: does the md5 check goes well? > > md5: 3ea12a2014a3d60e208f17a1b845734b > > > I burned ISOs of Apodio and Dynebolic this morning, they > > worked fine. I burned two discs for Musix, neither worked. I think > > something's wrong with the image. > > Try md5sum, please, and let us know! try burning at lower speeds too... > > > The same happens to me untill I change the cd (rw) and re-burn it at slower velocity. The checksum was right .After that everything went fine with the default boot ,I did just a small test.I must check it more extensively . Something that I still don't understand is why Ardour isn't yet updated to 0.99.3 . This version fixes some 0.99.2's bugs and is some months old . Does know the Debian maintainer about it ? Saludos. -- Carlos. PD .- Congratulations ,Marcos. Keep up that good work !!! From rich at richhorner.com Sun Sep 10 19:46:37 2006 From: rich at richhorner.com (Richard Edward Horner) Date: Sun Sep 10 19:46:45 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] RE: PCI Express or Firewire interface with TOSLINK Message-ID: <7a65a83a0609101646p19ea7cebw6ac187f3b81b6c3@mail.gmail.com> >> > I'm looking for either a PCI Express or Firewire interface that has AT >> > LEAST 16 channels in and out (preferably 24) of lightpipe (TOSLINK) >> > I/O that works in Linux as I'm wondering if it's possible to use an >> > 02R96 with one of the new Mac Pros (which do not have any standard PCI >> > slots). They come with TOSLINK I/O but it's only one port in and out >> > and I imagine they probably aren't working in Linux yet. > >Those TOSLINK connections are stereo only or if you have an external AC3 >decoder, then you could pull out a 5.1 (I've heard that they may have had >some problems with this and that the feature might be temporarily >unavailable). Either way, that particular connector is a far cry from your >24-channel requirement. Yikes. I missed that on the spec. Thanks for the heads up. That seems odd that they would use optical instead of just SPDIF. Thanks, Rich(ard) -- Richard Edward Horner Composer Electric Guitar Virtuoso http://richhorner.com - updated June 8th From loki.davison at gmail.com Sun Sep 10 20:19:16 2006 From: loki.davison at gmail.com (Loki Davison) Date: Sun Sep 10 20:19:25 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: PCI Express or Firewire interface with TOSLINK In-Reply-To: <7a65a83a0609101646p19ea7cebw6ac187f3b81b6c3@mail.gmail.com> References: <7a65a83a0609101646p19ea7cebw6ac187f3b81b6c3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On 9/11/06, Richard Edward Horner wrote: > >> > I'm looking for either a PCI Express or Firewire interface that has AT > >> > LEAST 16 channels in and out (preferably 24) of lightpipe (TOSLINK) > >> > I/O that works in Linux as I'm wondering if it's possible to use an > >> > 02R96 with one of the new Mac Pros (which do not have any standard PCI > >> > slots). They come with TOSLINK I/O but it's only one port in and out > >> > and I imagine they probably aren't working in Linux yet. > > > >Those TOSLINK connections are stereo only or if you have an external AC3 > >decoder, then you could pull out a 5.1 (I've heard that they may have had > >some problems with this and that the feature might be temporarily > >unavailable). Either way, that particular connector is a far cry from your > >24-channel requirement. > > Yikes. I missed that on the spec. Thanks for the heads up. That seems > odd that they would use optical instead of just SPDIF. > > Thanks, Rich(ard) > -- > Richard Edward Horner > Composer > Electric Guitar Virtuoso > http://richhorner.com - updated June 8th > might have to write drivers for this pci-e card: http://www.apogeedigital.com/products/symphony.php From marcospcmusica at gmail.com Sun Sep 10 18:43:50 2006 From: marcospcmusica at gmail.com (Marcos Guglielmetti) Date: Sun Sep 10 23:41:46 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Musix GNU/Linux 0.59 released In-Reply-To: <45048C20.2090704@gmail.com> References: <200609061512.21793.marcospcmusica@gmail.com> <200609101341.12558.marcospcmusica@gmail.com> <45048C20.2090704@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200609110043.51835.marcospcmusica@gmail.com> El Lunes, 11 de Septiembre de 2006 00:05, Carlos Pino escribi?: > > Thanks for reporting: there are users that had used Musix 0.59 > > without problems, that's odd... I will wait a few hours to see if > > the ISO image is really damaged: does the md5 check goes well? > > > > md5: 3ea12a2014a3d60e208f17a1b845734b > > > > ? ? ? > I burned ISOs of Apodio and Dynebolic this morning, they > > ? ? ? > worked fine. I burned two discs for Musix, neither worked. > > I think > something's wrong with the image. > > ? ? ? > > Try md5sum, please, and let us know! try burning at lower speeds > > too... > > > > > > ? > > ? The same happens to me untill I change the cd (rw) and re-burn it > at slower velocity. The checksum was right . like this? md5: 3ea12a2014a3d60e208f17a1b845734b I mean, the ISO file on your HD has this MD5? > After that ?everything > went fine ?with the default boot ?,I did just a small test.I must > check it more extensively . Well, this is getting odd and odd........ I will upload another ISO, so, if there are possible problems, we will fix them. > ? Something that I still don't understand is why Ardour isn't yet > updated to 0.99.3 ?. Well, I have RPM packages, but, because Ardour is maybe the most important package into Musix, I dont want to use alien to include it, I prefer to wait the Debian maintainer... > This version fixes some ?0.99.2's ?bugs and is ? > some months old . Does know the ?Debian maintainer about it ? I think that Free (from 64Studio / DeMuDi), sent him a mail, or posted it as a bug into Debian. -- Marcos Guglielmetti * Director del desarrollo de Musix GNU+Linux, 100% Software Libre * CD Donwload: (http://www.musix.org.ar/en/) (www.pc-musica.com.ar/musix) * Videos, programas y otras cosas en: ftp://musix.ourproject.org/pub/musix/ * Reporte de errores a: https://www.musix.org.ar/wiki/index.php?title=Problemas-Bugs *IRC: #musix channel on freenode From tech at glastonburymusic.org.uk Mon Sep 11 05:15:36 2006 From: tech at glastonburymusic.org.uk (tim hall) Date: Mon Sep 11 05:15:50 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Musix GNU/Linux 0.59 released In-Reply-To: <200609110043.51835.marcospcmusica@gmail.com> References: <200609061512.21793.marcospcmusica@gmail.com> <45048C20.2090704@gmail.com> <200609110043.51835.marcospcmusica@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200609111015.36413.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> On Sunday 10 September 2006 23:43, Marcos Guglielmetti was like: > Does know the ?Debian maintainer about it ? > > I think that Free (from 64Studio / DeMuDi), sent him a mail, or posted it > as a bug into Debian. Free made a bug report. Ardour, being a flagship app, is maintained by the two busiest people when it comes to maintaining music apps in Debian. I expect there is a certain amount of catching up to do after the summer break. -- cheers, tim hall http://glastonburymusic.org.uk/tim We are the people We've been waiting for. From yves_p at nnx.com Mon Sep 11 11:01:13 2006 From: yves_p at nnx.com (Yves Potin) Date: Mon Sep 11 11:01:27 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Muse 0.8.1-r1 with GCC 4.1 Message-ID: <20060911150113.GD2721@localhost> Hi. After Reason :), I encounter another problem with GCC 4.1, with Muse. Apparately I'm not alone, because there's the same probleme with Muse 0.8.1a in the pro-audio overlay : http://www.mail-archive.com/proaudio@lists.tuxfamily.org/msg00438.html What is weird is that I encounter exactly the same problem with the ? mainstream ? version, the one in the normal branch of gentoo : /usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-linux-gnu/4.1.1/../../../../i686-pc-linux-gnu/bin/ld: cannot find -lwine_unicode collect2: ld returned 1 exit status make[4]: *** [muse] Erreur 1 make[4]: Leaving directory `/var/tmp/portage/museseq-0.8.1-r1/work/muse-0.8.1/muse' make[3]: *** [all-recursive] Erreur 1 I try to compile Muse this way, to add lash support : ~ > emerge -vp museseq These are the packages that would be merged, in order: Calculating dependencies... done! [ebuild R ] media-sound/museseq-0.8.1-r1 USE="X lash* -debug -doc" 0 kB I have seen nothing like that in the bug reports of Gentoo, of course I can post one but if I could have an advice or something before... There's a CVS version, hard masked, in the overlay but I'm not really found of CVS versions as I use Muse very intensively, so I haven't tried it. Maybe am I wrong ? Thanks :). Y. From rj at spamatica.se Mon Sep 11 11:51:07 2006 From: rj at spamatica.se (Robert Jonsson) Date: Mon Sep 11 11:49:56 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Muse 0.8.1-r1 with GCC 4.1 In-Reply-To: <20060911150113.GD2721@localhost> References: <20060911150113.GD2721@localhost> Message-ID: <200609111751.08277.rj@spamatica.se> Hi Yves, On Monday 11 September 2006 17:01, Yves Potin wrote: > Hi. > After Reason :), I encounter another problem with GCC 4.1, with > Muse. Apparately I'm not alone, because there's the same probleme with > Muse 0.8.1a in the pro-audio overlay : > http://www.mail-archive.com/proaudio@lists.tuxfamily.org/msg00438.html > What is weird is that I encounter exactly the same problem with > the ? mainstream ? version, the one in the normal branch of gentoo : > > /usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-linux-gnu/4.1.1/../../../../i686-pc-linux-gnu/bin/ld: > cannot find -lwine_unicode > collect2: ld returned 1 exit status > make[4]: *** [muse] Erreur 1 > make[4]: Leaving directory > `/var/tmp/portage/museseq-0.8.1-r1/work/muse-0.8.1/muse' make[3]: *** > [all-recursive] Erreur 1 > > I try to compile Muse this way, to add lash support : > > ~ > emerge -vp museseq > > These are the packages that would be merged, in order: > > Calculating dependencies... done! > [ebuild R ] media-sound/museseq-0.8.1-r1 USE="X lash* -debug -doc" 0 > kB > > I have seen nothing like that in the bug reports of Gentoo, of > course I can post one but if I could have an advice or something > before... There's a CVS version, hard masked, in the overlay but I'm not > really found of CVS versions as I use Muse very intensively, so I haven't > tried it. Maybe am I wrong ? > Thanks :). Does this build enable vst support for muse? Vaguely I recall that vst support requires some specific version of wine. But I could be wrong, it was a long time since I tried vst with muse. The error must be wine related but it's hard to give any other clues. I suspect it is a gentoo issue. /Robert > > Y. -- http://spamatica.se/musicsite/ From yves_p at nnx.com Mon Sep 11 12:05:58 2006 From: yves_p at nnx.com (Yves Potin) Date: Mon Sep 11 12:06:11 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Muse 0.8.1-r1 with GCC 4.1 In-Reply-To: <200609111751.08277.rj@spamatica.se> References: <20060911150113.GD2721@localhost> <200609111751.08277.rj@spamatica.se> Message-ID: <20060911160558.GE2721@localhost> Le 11 Sep ? 17:51, Robert Jonsson ecrivait: > Does this build enable vst support for muse? Hi Robert. This build fails with or without vst support in any version... Y. From drucer99 at yahoo.com Mon Sep 11 12:39:37 2006 From: drucer99 at yahoo.com (Drucer Ninetynine) Date: Mon Sep 11 12:40:04 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Native Linux VST plugins finally? Message-ID: <20060911163938.13413.qmail@web52212.mail.yahoo.com> What? Is this true? Native Linux VST plugins finally?? Sorry if this is old news and has been posted before. http://www.download3k.com/Press-Syntheway-announces-Organux-VST-instrument.html Demos: http://download.syntheway.net/ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From rlrevell at joe-job.com Mon Sep 11 12:46:47 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Mon Sep 11 12:46:14 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Native Linux VST plugins finally? In-Reply-To: <20060911163938.13413.qmail@web52212.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20060911163938.13413.qmail@web52212.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1157993208.5076.213.camel@mindpipe> On Mon, 2006-09-11 at 09:39 -0700, Drucer Ninetynine wrote: > What? Is this true? Native Linux VST plugins finally?? > Sorry if this is old news and has been posted before. > > http://www.download3k.com/Press-Syntheway-announces-Organux-VST-instrument.html > It's not native: Linux Requirements: - JACK : 0.100.0 or above (http://jackit.sourceforge.net) - Wine : preferably 1.0 or above, but many older versions will work too. (http://www.winehq.org/) - FST : 1.7 or above (http://joebutton.co.uk/fst/) There will never be native Linux VST plugins, VST has a non-free license. Lee From marcospcmusica at gmail.com Mon Sep 11 08:08:00 2006 From: marcospcmusica at gmail.com (Marcos Guglielmetti) Date: Mon Sep 11 13:05:53 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Musix GNU/Linux 0.59 released In-Reply-To: <200609111015.36413.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> References: <200609061512.21793.marcospcmusica@gmail.com> <200609110043.51835.marcospcmusica@gmail.com> <200609111015.36413.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> Message-ID: <200609111408.01205.marcospcmusica@gmail.com> El Lunes, 11 de Septiembre de 2006 11:15, tim hall escribi?: > On Sunday 10 September 2006 23:43, Marcos Guglielmetti was like: > > Does know the ?Debian maintainer about it ? > > > > I think that Free (from 64Studio / DeMuDi), sent him a mail, or > > posted it as a bug into Debian. > > Free made a bug report. Ardour, being a flagship app, is maintained > by the two busiest people when it comes to maintaining music apps in > Debian. I expect there is a certain amount of catching up to do after > the summer break. Also, i tried a 0.99.3 rpm package and converted it to deb using alien, and it works, but the LADSPA plugins.... did not worked all of them, so, I am back with the 0.99.2 -- Marcos Guglielmetti * Director del desarrollo de Musix GNU+Linux, 100% Software Libre * CD Donwload: (http://www.musix.org.ar/en/) (www.pc-musica.com.ar/musix) * Videos, programas y otras cosas en: ftp://musix.ourproject.org/pub/musix/ * Reporte de errores a: https://www.musix.org.ar/wiki/index.php?title=Problemas-Bugs *IRC: #musix channel on freenode From nando at ccrma.Stanford.EDU Mon Sep 11 13:52:58 2006 From: nando at ccrma.Stanford.EDU (Fernando Lopez-Lezcano) Date: Mon Sep 11 13:53:07 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Song (i.e. project) managers ? In-Reply-To: <20060908175154.0c8d8bf9@mistral.stie> References: <20060908175154.0c8d8bf9@mistral.stie> Message-ID: <1157997178.14965.23.camel@cmn3.stanford.edu> On Fri, 2006-09-08 at 17:51 -0400, lanas wrote: > Folks, > > Now that I got some things running (jack, Zyn, Hydrogen and Ardour) > not int he best of ways, but still, I get fun from trying this and thus > doing little jams. I reckon that I have a lot more to learn and would > eventually like to use Studio64 (now using CCRMA) to take most benefit > from the machine. > > So now that I do some jams using accoustic guitar and software-based > sounds, I start to wonder if there are any song (i.e. project) managers > out there that could, say, launch all apps with the proper settings > according to a song ? > > Better yet. We have MIDI. This is quite a standard that everyone > seems to adhere to. We have Jack. Now, is there a standard means to IPC > between audio apps ? Such that a song manager could IPC (and > eventually launch apps that are not running) to the various apps used > for song, setting along the way the parameters for each app through > IPC ? > > Such a song manager could, using this standardized IPC, get a dump of > relevant settings from all apps contributing to a song project and save > that to disk to be recalled at a later time. Project templates could > also be made. > > So, are there any utilities like that out there ? Is it possible to > IPC to at least some of the audio apps out there ? LASH is a "session manager" that some (but not all) apps already support. It is supposed to do what you need but I have not tested it personally. -- Fernando From kvehmanen at eca.cx Mon Sep 11 13:58:37 2006 From: kvehmanen at eca.cx (Kai Vehmanen) Date: Mon Sep 11 14:00:14 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] sound recording application In-Reply-To: <20060909134426.GE22095@fliwatut.scifi> References: <200609071249.53669.lau@kudla.org> <1157648237.31541.175.camel@mindpipe> <1157657634.16186.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1157692698.15340.21.camel@gredesk> <20060908123459.GC9566@fliwatut.scifi> <20060909015642.e3beb437.mdeboer@iua.upf.edu> <20060909134426.GE22095@fliwatut.scifi> Message-ID: Hi, On Sat, 9 Sep 2006, Frank Barknecht wrote: > Record with realtime mode and double buffering: > $ ecasound -rt -z:db -i alsa,default -o some.ogg a minor nit, that should be s/-rt/-r/ (but -rt works as well ;)): $ ecasound -r -z:db -i alsa,default -o some.ogg Also, ecasound has some clever logic to tune performance settings based on the type of session, and available runtime capabilities (like rt-schediling, memory locking, etc), so in most cases you can just do: $ ecasound -i alsa,default -o some.ogg Or to encode to flac: ecasound -i alsa,default -o some.flac More one-liner examples at: http://eca.cx/ecasound/Documentation/examples.html -- links, my public keys, etc at http://eca.cx/kv From kvehmanen at eca.cx Mon Sep 11 14:38:34 2006 From: kvehmanen at eca.cx (Kai Vehmanen) Date: Mon Sep 11 14:40:59 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] sound recording application In-Reply-To: <20060909015642.e3beb437.mdeboer@iua.upf.edu> References: <200609071249.53669.lau@kudla.org> <1157648237.31541.175.camel@mindpipe> <1157657634.16186.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1157692698.15340.21.camel@gredesk> <20060908123459.GC9566@fliwatut.scifi> <20060909015642.e3beb437.mdeboer@iua.upf.edu> Message-ID: Hi, On Sat, 9 Sep 2006, Maarten de Boer wrote: > Could you explain what you mean with "much less reliable" ? > I often use arecord, and find it very reliable. arecord (and most other tools mentioned in this thread) do not separate disk i/o from audio i/o. Thus if disk i/o blocks for longer than the size of audio i/o buffering, you'll get an xrun (= a break in the recording in this case). How big of an issue this is depends on your kernel, disk i/o subsystem, and the amount of audio buffering used (which again depends on the driver, soundcard hw and the sampling parameters). Many soundcards (but not all!) allow to use quite big buffers, so in practise arecord et al will work without glitches (especially for low-bandwidth usage like recording one or two channels of CD-quality audio). Ecasound (as do many other apps, such as ardour, linuxsampler, etc), protect the audio i/o loop with multiple seconds of disk i/o buffering, thus they are able to guarantee reliable audio i/o even in extreme conditions (minimal audio i/o buffering to minimize latency + heavy system load). And then a separate issue is rt-scheduling. This is another safety measure to protect the audio i/o loop against badly behaving other processes. Couple of old links about this "why ecasound for recording" topic (btw; note the years, I've been repeating these things for over 5 years now! ;)): http://eca.cx/ecasound-list/2001/06/0016.html http://eca.cx/ecasound-list/2005/04/0038.html > I have never used ecasound, and since I often use arecord and oggenc > in different settings, piping them together was the logical solution > for me... And frankly, I find my arecord / oggenc oneliner (even Sure, I use arecord a lot myself, too. Due to high visibility of ALSA, I think aplay/arecord have become the de facto applications for these tasks, so it probably makes more sense to focus energy on improving these tools than to market other options. But there might not be a huge need for change the tools, as mentioned earlier, with current kernels, and the common use cases (low-bandwidth recording/playback), arecord/aplay may be already good enough for most people. > arecord -f cd -d 14400 | oggenc -q 6 -o 4hours.ogg - Btw, you can of course use ecasound for this as well: ecasound -f:16,2,44100 -t:14400 -r -i alsa -o stdout |oggenc -q 6 -o 4hours.ogg - ... plus you get separate buffering for the pipe (blocking on the oggenc pipe won't interfere with the recording process) and benefits of real-time scheduling (-r). -- links, my public keys, etc at http://eca.cx/kv From folderol at ukfsn.org Mon Sep 11 17:45:11 2006 From: folderol at ukfsn.org (Folderol) Date: Mon Sep 11 17:45:25 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Drumkit woes Message-ID: <20060911224511.5dd04362@localhost> I have some MIDI tracks that use the Yamaha SY35 drum kit. I can duplicate most of the samples and the few I can't find elsewhere I can record from the Yamaha. I had hoped to then build up a drum kit in Hydrogen so that I can use these MIDI files without a lot of messing about. However I find that the lowest 'note' in Hydrogen is almost an octave above the lowest one on the SY35. This I can easily get around by pitch shifting the entire track. However, what is more serious is that Hydrogen doesn't have anything like enough 'notes' so even without shifting up, a lot would be lost off the top end. Can anyone suggest a way round this? I REALLY don't want to edit the files note-by-note. I tried that once and it almost drove me nuts. -- Will J G From tdhoward at gmail.com Mon Sep 11 19:38:59 2006 From: tdhoward at gmail.com (Tim Howard) Date: Mon Sep 11 19:39:05 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Very short composition Message-ID: Dave Philips wrote: > I think you're on the right track with regards to layering your > instruments. However, you should take more time balancing the separate > tracks. Right now the instruments aren't blending so well. The guitar is > a little too far up front, and your other instruments need more > attention to their relationship with the guitar part. I noticed that when I tested it out on my main stereo system, but I'm a little unsure of what to do to make leads "sit" in the mix... any suggestions? I keep getting hung up between "I want my lead to be heard" and "I want the overall mix to blend really well", and I can never seem to satisfy both. > you're excited by the possibilities opened up by this great software we > have, but perhaps you should take more time with the details of your > mix. Edits and retakes are parts of the creative process, you'll find > and do new things as you go over your work with the proverbial > fine-tooth comb. Good advice! I will definitely be spending more time on my mixes from here on. :-) Thanks a lot for the feedback, Dave. TimH From arthur.moore.lists at gmail.com Mon Sep 11 23:17:31 2006 From: arthur.moore.lists at gmail.com (Arthur Moore) Date: Mon Sep 11 23:17:41 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Intel Dual Core vs. AMD64 Message-ID: <596ea62c0609112017p9e988d8t8860af2410a8b469@mail.gmail.com> I'm looking at getting a new laptop for audio production (current system is pentium IIIM 1.3Ghz, 512 M memory, 5200 RPM hard drive, Presonus Firepod running with FreeBob , not really cutting it). I'm wondering what people's opinions about the Intel dual core vs. an AMD64 bit processor, both with 2GB of memory, and a 100GB 7200 RPM hard drive. From my limited understanding the dual core is like a dual processor (maybe?) running in parallel. It seems to me that the dual core would be better than the AMD64 for audio production. Art From steve at hassard.net Mon Sep 11 23:28:48 2006 From: steve at hassard.net (Stephen Hassard) Date: Mon Sep 11 23:28:57 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Intel Dual Core vs. AMD64 In-Reply-To: <596ea62c0609112017p9e988d8t8860af2410a8b469@mail.gmail.com> References: <596ea62c0609112017p9e988d8t8860af2410a8b469@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <45062970.6060801@hassard.net> Arthur Moore wrote: > I'm looking at getting a new laptop for audio production (current > system is pentium IIIM 1.3Ghz, 512 M memory, 5200 RPM hard drive, > Presonus Firepod running with FreeBob , not really cutting it). I'm > wondering what people's opinions about the Intel dual core vs. an > AMD64 bit processor, both with 2GB of memory, and a 100GB 7200 RPM > hard drive. From my limited understanding the dual core is like a dual > processor (maybe?) running in parallel. It seems to me that the dual > core would be better than the AMD64 for audio production. Hi Arthur, I can't over-recommend getting a dual core PC (be it a laptop or desktop). The amount of CPU throughput is much great for not a considerably greater amount of cash. 64bit CPU extensions are becoming standard these days, and while 64bit distros seem to just be coming into their own, you have complete 32bit backwards compatibility if you find that your favourite distro isn't 64bit, or 64bit doesn't meet your needs. Athlon64 X2 laptops don't seem to be particularly available at the moment, instead you might want to look for the Core 2 Duo based laptops. The earlier Core Duo (1st gen Core architecture) didn't include 64bit extensions, which isn't really a problem, but it's something worth taking into consideration. I've found in the past that AMD based chipsets (particularly laptop ones) seem to have some issues with Linux. Things seem to be much better with very recent kernels, but Intel chipsets seems to work better in general. Battery consumption on the Intel Core platform seems to be better than the AMD mobile platform, though I'm not sure how much this would be a problem if you're mainly running off of the power mains. Hopefully this helps some .. later, Steve From pshirkey at boosthardware.com Mon Sep 11 23:46:21 2006 From: pshirkey at boosthardware.com (Patrick Shirkey) Date: Mon Sep 11 23:47:10 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Song (i.e. project) managers ? In-Reply-To: <1157997178.14965.23.camel@cmn3.stanford.edu> References: <20060908175154.0c8d8bf9@mistral.stie> <1157997178.14965.23.camel@cmn3.stanford.edu> Message-ID: <45062D8D.9050407@boosthardware.com> Fernando Lopez-Lezcano wrote: > > LASH is a "session manager" that some (but not all) apps already > support. It is supposed to do what you need but I have not tested it > personally. > I've been thinking about this recently and have come to the conclusion that the reason no one is adopting LASH is not because we don't want it but because the documentation is damn confusing. It's not that there is no info but that it is so verbose and not straightforward enough for most programmers. I would like to know if others have the same opinion. It's not like DR is purposefully trying to make it difficult to integrate. On the other hand Dave is not exactly reknown for taking on the easy audio tasks or being interested in dumbing down his language on the lists. -- Patrick Shirkey - Boost Hardware Ltd. Http://www.boosthardware.com Http://lau.linuxaudio.org - The Linux Audio Users guide ======================================== "Anything your mind can see you can manifest physically, then it will become reality" - Macka B From _ at whats-your.name Mon Sep 11 23:53:03 2006 From: _ at whats-your.name (carmen) Date: Mon Sep 11 23:53:10 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Intel Dual Core vs. AMD64 In-Reply-To: <596ea62c0609112017p9e988d8t8860af2410a8b469@mail.gmail.com> References: <596ea62c0609112017p9e988d8t8860af2410a8b469@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20060912035303.GA23694@replic.net> On Mon Sep 11, 2006 at 09:17:31PM -0600, Arthur Moore wrote: > I'm looking at getting a new laptop for audio production (current > system is pentium IIIM 1.3Ghz, 512 M memory, 5200 RPM hard drive, > Presonus Firepod running with FreeBob , not really cutting it). I'm > wondering what people's opinions about the Intel dual core vs. an > AMD64 bit processor, both with 2GB of memory, and a 100GB 7200 RPM > hard drive. From my limited understanding the dual core is like a dual > processor (maybe?) running in parallel. It seems to me that the dual > core would be better than the AMD64 for audio production. they arent mutually exclusive. there are dual-core AMD64 chips, in mobile and desktop versions (mainly the voltage is different), ad there arr dual-core Core2Duo chips, which are intel's version of amd64. generally the intel chipsets have much better linux drivers, for the time being. especially wrt video, wireless, etc > > Art > From linux-stuff at arcor.de Tue Sep 12 03:34:48 2006 From: linux-stuff at arcor.de (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Frieder_B=FCrzele?=) Date: Tue Sep 12 03:36:02 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Muse 0.8.1-r1 with GCC 4.1 In-Reply-To: <20060911160558.GE2721@localhost> References: <20060911150113.GD2721@localhost> <200609111751.08277.rj@spamatica.se> <20060911160558.GE2721@localhost> Message-ID: <45066318.4060700@arcor.de> Yves Potin wrote: > Le 11 Sep ? 17:51, Robert Jonsson ecrivait: > > >> Does this build enable vst support for muse? >> > > > Hi Robert. > This build fails with or without vst support in any version... > > Y. > Hi, I think I know the cause of the problem: The configure script is checking for FST via libfst.pc Which still will be installed with >=fst-1.7 in the proaudio gentoo overlay This behavior is wrong as >=fst-1.7 is not compatible to fst/libfst-1.6 --> libfst.pc pulls -lwine_unicode as dependency So I'll release a new ebuild for fst which will not install libfst.pc But I think the muse configure script should not check for fst presence if --disable-vst is selected Greetz Frieder From drucer99 at yahoo.com Tue Sep 12 04:22:24 2006 From: drucer99 at yahoo.com (Drucer Ninetynine) Date: Tue Sep 12 04:22:47 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Intel Dual Core vs. AMD64 In-Reply-To: <596ea62c0609112017p9e988d8t8860af2410a8b469@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20060912082224.36588.qmail@web52202.mail.yahoo.com> Get Intel core2duo. Not only has it excellent Linux support, but it is also way faster than any AMD processor out there. Just google for performance reviews. You will be amazed. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From linux-stuff at arcor.de Tue Sep 12 04:22:33 2006 From: linux-stuff at arcor.de (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Frieder_B=FCrzele?=) Date: Tue Sep 12 04:23:04 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Muse 0.8.1-r1 with GCC 4.1 In-Reply-To: <45066318.4060700@arcor.de> References: <20060911150113.GD2721@localhost> <200609111751.08277.rj@spamatica.se> <20060911160558.GE2721@localhost> <45066318.4060700@arcor.de> Message-ID: <45066E49.30109@arcor.de> Frieder B?rzele wrote: > Yves Potin wrote: >> Le 11 Sep ? 17:51, Robert Jonsson ecrivait: >> >> >>> Does this build enable vst support for muse? >>> >> >> >> Hi Robert. This build fails with or without vst >> support in any version... >> >> Y. >> > Hi, > I think I know the cause of the problem: > The configure script is checking for FST via libfst.pc > Which still will be installed with >=fst-1.7 in the proaudio gentoo > overlay > This behavior is wrong as >=fst-1.7 is not compatible to fst/libfst-1.6 > --> libfst.pc pulls -lwine_unicode as dependency > So I'll release a new ebuild for fst which will not install libfst.pc > > But I think the muse configure script should not check for fst > presence if > --disable-vst is selected > > > Greetz Frieder sync the overlay and try: emerge fst =museseq-0.8.1a hth Greetz Frieder From rj at spamatica.se Tue Sep 12 04:34:10 2006 From: rj at spamatica.se (Robert Jonsson) Date: Tue Sep 12 04:34:23 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Muse 0.8.1-r1 with GCC 4.1 In-Reply-To: <45066318.4060700@arcor.de> References: <20060911150113.GD2721@localhost> <20060911160558.GE2721@localhost> <45066318.4060700@arcor.de> Message-ID: <200609121034.10456.rj@spamatica.se> On Tuesday 12 September 2006 09:34, Frieder B?rzele wrote: > Yves Potin wrote: > > Le 11 Sep ? 17:51, Robert Jonsson ecrivait: > >> Does this build enable vst support for muse? > > > > Hi Robert. > > This build fails with or without vst support in any version... > > > > Y. > > Hi, > I think I know the cause of the problem: > The configure script is checking for FST via libfst.pc > Which still will be installed with >=fst-1.7 in the proaudio gentoo overlay > This behavior is wrong as >=fst-1.7 is not compatible to fst/libfst-1.6 > --> libfst.pc pulls -lwine_unicode as dependency > So I'll release a new ebuild for fst which will not install libfst.pc > > But I think the muse configure script should not check for fst presence if > --disable-vst is selected Quite correct. I'll check the build script when I get home. Regards, Robert > > > Greetz Frieder From mdeboer at iua.upf.edu Tue Sep 12 04:40:40 2006 From: mdeboer at iua.upf.edu (Maarten de Boer) Date: Tue Sep 12 04:41:03 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] sound recording application In-Reply-To: References: <200609071249.53669.lau@kudla.org> <1157648237.31541.175.camel@mindpipe> <1157657634.16186.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1157692698.15340.21.camel@gredesk> <20060908123459.GC9566@fliwatut.scifi> <20060909015642.e3beb437.mdeboer@iua.upf.edu> Message-ID: <20060912104040.4930c8e4.mdeboer@iua.upf.es> Frank, Kai, thanks for the clarifications! maarten From loki.davison at gmail.com Tue Sep 12 05:38:19 2006 From: loki.davison at gmail.com (Loki Davison) Date: Tue Sep 12 05:38:29 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Song (i.e. project) managers ? In-Reply-To: <45062D8D.9050407@boosthardware.com> References: <20060908175154.0c8d8bf9@mistral.stie> <1157997178.14965.23.camel@cmn3.stanford.edu> <45062D8D.9050407@boosthardware.com> Message-ID: On 9/12/06, Patrick Shirkey wrote: > Fernando Lopez-Lezcano wrote: > > > > LASH is a "session manager" that some (but not all) apps already > > support. It is supposed to do what you need but I have not tested it > > personally. > > > > I've been thinking about this recently and have come to the conclusion > that the reason no one is adopting LASH is not because we don't want it > but because the documentation is damn confusing. > > It's not that there is no info but that it is so verbose and not > straightforward enough for most programmers. > > I would like to know if others have the same opinion. > > It's not like DR is purposefully trying to make it difficult to > integrate. On the other hand Dave is not exactly reknown for taking on > the easy audio tasks or being interested in dumbing down his language on > the lists. > > Might not be anything to do with Dave, the docs were damn confusing before Dave took over as well. Things are improving though, Nedko has written python bindings so once you've got the handlers defined it's a one line thing to add lash support to python apps. Guess some extra docs and example wouldn't go astray though and some good user docs. Loki From atte.jensen at gmail.com Tue Sep 12 05:50:59 2006 From: atte.jensen at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Atte_Andr=E9_Jensen?=) Date: Tue Sep 12 05:51:50 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Song (i.e. project) managers ? In-Reply-To: <1157997178.14965.23.camel@cmn3.stanford.edu> References: <20060908175154.0c8d8bf9@mistral.stie> <1157997178.14965.23.camel@cmn3.stanford.edu> Message-ID: <45068303.8080204@gmail.com> Fernando Lopez-Lezcano wrote: > LASH is a "session manager" that some (but not all) apps already > support. It is supposed to do what you need but I have not tested it > personally. I recently tested lash and decided to use bash instead. I found it impossible to get reliable results from lash, where bash scripts on the other hand work well. I agree that lash would be way better, but IMHO it's simply not (at all) ready for actual use yet. -- peace, love & harmony Atte From t_w_ at freenet.de Tue Sep 12 06:30:18 2006 From: t_w_ at freenet.de (Thorsten Wilms) Date: Tue Sep 12 06:30:28 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Song (i.e. project) managers ? In-Reply-To: <45068303.8080204@gmail.com> References: <20060908175154.0c8d8bf9@mistral.stie> <1157997178.14965.23.camel@cmn3.stanford.edu> <45068303.8080204@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20060912103018.GA5429@charly.SWORD> On Tue, Sep 12, 2006 at 11:50:59AM +0200, Atte Andr? Jensen wrote: > > I recently tested lash and decided to use bash instead. I found it > impossible to get reliable results from lash, where bash scripts on the > other hand work well. Ooh, you documented your problems in all detail, posted about them and/or filed bug reports? -- Thorsten Wilms From atte.jensen at gmail.com Tue Sep 12 06:57:20 2006 From: atte.jensen at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Atte_Andr=E9_Jensen?=) Date: Tue Sep 12 06:58:06 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Song (i.e. project) managers ? In-Reply-To: <20060912103018.GA5429@charly.SWORD> References: <20060908175154.0c8d8bf9@mistral.stie> <1157997178.14965.23.camel@cmn3.stanford.edu> <45068303.8080204@gmail.com> <20060912103018.GA5429@charly.SWORD> Message-ID: <45069290.6050607@gmail.com> Thorsten Wilms wrote: > Ooh, you documented your problems in all detail, posted about > them and/or filed bug reports? Something like that, yeah (except the bug report part, reason explained below)... I forgot to mention that it wasn't really a problem with lash itself, but the quickly-done lash-implementation in some of the programs I used (and want to use), most notably specimen and zynaddsubfx. Reason for no bug report: Both programs are not very actively maintained, and lash support from the users point of view is a matter of finding the right patch and applying it to the source. This means that there's not really *one* person to talk to, since the people maintaining the software didn't implement the lash support and the authors of patches doesn't maintain the software. -- peace, love & harmony Atte From t_w_ at freenet.de Tue Sep 12 07:10:34 2006 From: t_w_ at freenet.de (Thorsten Wilms) Date: Tue Sep 12 07:11:00 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Song (i.e. project) managers ? In-Reply-To: <45069290.6050607@gmail.com> References: <20060908175154.0c8d8bf9@mistral.stie> <1157997178.14965.23.camel@cmn3.stanford.edu> <45068303.8080204@gmail.com> <20060912103018.GA5429@charly.SWORD> <45069290.6050607@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20060912111034.GB5429@charly.SWORD> On Tue, Sep 12, 2006 at 12:57:20PM +0200, Atte Andr? Jensen wrote: > I forgot to mention that it wasn't really a problem with lash itself, > but the quickly-done lash-implementation in some of the programs I used > (and want to use), most notably specimen and zynaddsubfx. > > Reason for no bug report: > Both programs are not very actively maintained, and lash support from > the users point of view is a matter of finding the right patch and > applying it to the source. This means that there's not really *one* > person to talk to, since the people maintaining the software didn't > implement the lash support and the authors of patches doesn't maintain > the software. Last I heared of Zyn, a complete rewrite was planned, so any bug report is indead likely a waste of effort :) But Eric Rzewnicki took over on Specimen, and there has been some activity. He even asks for "any ideas you have concerning specimen's future." http://zhevny.com/specimen/ -- Thorsten Wilms From dlphillips at woh.rr.com Tue Sep 12 07:59:54 2006 From: dlphillips at woh.rr.com (Dave Phillips) Date: Tue Sep 12 07:38:27 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Song (i.e. project) managers ? In-Reply-To: <20060912111034.GB5429@charly.SWORD> References: <20060908175154.0c8d8bf9@mistral.stie> <1157997178.14965.23.camel@cmn3.stanford.edu> <45068303.8080204@gmail.com> <20060912103018.GA5429@charly.SWORD> <45069290.6050607@gmail.com> <20060912111034.GB5429@charly.SWORD> Message-ID: <4506A13A.8080103@woh.rr.com> Greetings: In the interest of expedited development of the LASH project software I humbly request that Dave Robillard be cloned immediately. There's simply too much to do for just one of him. Best, dp From chris at mccormick.cx Tue Sep 12 08:34:29 2006 From: chris at mccormick.cx (Chris McCormick) Date: Tue Sep 12 08:40:11 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] pd and gem on gentoo In-Reply-To: <44F992BA.2080608@woh.rr.com> References: <20060829095920.538c068f@acme.acmenet> <70a871c80608311036u6f64fdfage882985c1a0c0bcf@mail.gmail.com> <20060902131601.GA4485@mccormick.cx> <44F992BA.2080608@woh.rr.com> Message-ID: <20060912123429.GC27894@mccormick.cx> On Sat, Sep 02, 2006 at 10:18:34AM -0400, Dave Phillips wrote: > Chris McCormick wrote: > > re: OpenGL and nVidia drivers > > >Sorry this is OT. Does anyone know how to do this under Debian etch with > >xorg 7.0? I have been trying to get it to work for a while. > > > > > Chris, if you're asking about installing the nVidia driver, I do have > that driver compiled and working with Etch. I used nVidia's recommended > procedure, so you'll need a development environment (the process > compiles the driver locally, if necessary). > > I'm away from my home machine right now, but let me know if you need > more information. Thanks Dave, I'll try that out. Best, Chris. ------------------- chris@mccormick.cx http://mccormick.cx From pshirkey at boosthardware.com Tue Sep 12 09:04:07 2006 From: pshirkey at boosthardware.com (Patrick Shirkey) Date: Tue Sep 12 09:04:41 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Song (i.e. project) managers ? In-Reply-To: <4506A13A.8080103@woh.rr.com> References: <20060908175154.0c8d8bf9@mistral.stie> <1157997178.14965.23.camel@cmn3.stanford.edu> <45068303.8080204@gmail.com> <20060912103018.GA5429@charly.SWORD> <45069290.6050607@gmail.com> <20060912111034.GB5429@charly.SWORD> <4506A13A.8080103@woh.rr.com> Message-ID: <4506B047.1080502@boosthardware.com> Dave Phillips wrote: > Greetings: > > In the interest of expedited development of the LASH project software I > humbly request that Dave Robillard be cloned immediately. There's simply > too much to do for just one of him. > Well I have a 2 month old son so I'm doing my part ;) And you? -- Patrick Shirkey - Boost Hardware Ltd. Http://www.boosthardware.com Http://lau.linuxaudio.org - The Linux Audio Users guide ======================================== "Anything your mind can see you can manifest physically, then it will become reality" - Macka B From pshirkey at boosthardware.com Tue Sep 12 09:14:00 2006 From: pshirkey at boosthardware.com (Patrick Shirkey) Date: Tue Sep 12 09:14:31 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] lashifying everything Message-ID: <4506B298.1020202@boosthardware.com> With lashings of ginger beer! So from my reading a few months back{ first I have to start writing my apps settings to an xml file; then I have to integrate lash into my app{ to read the file and tell the lash server when the app has made a change to the file; } } Is this the basic flow of events? -- Patrick Shirkey - Boost Hardware Ltd. Http://www.boosthardware.com Http://lau.linuxaudio.org - The Linux Audio Users guide ======================================== "Anything your mind can see you can manifest physically, then it will become reality" - Macka B From lars.luthman at gmail.com Tue Sep 12 10:05:59 2006 From: lars.luthman at gmail.com (Lars Luthman) Date: Tue Sep 12 10:05:06 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] lashifying everything In-Reply-To: <4506B298.1020202@boosthardware.com> References: <4506B298.1020202@boosthardware.com> Message-ID: <1158069959.12190.4.camel@c-c675e055.456-1-64736c13.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se> On Tue, 2006-09-12 at 20:14 +0700, Patrick Shirkey wrote: > With lashings of ginger beer! > > > So from my reading a few months back{ > > first I have to start writing my apps settings to an xml file; > > then I have to integrate lash into my app{ > to read the file and tell the lash server when the app > has made a change to the file; > } > } > > Is this the basic flow of events? More like this: while (not_done) { event = wait_for_lash_event() if (event == SAVE) save program state to the directory specified in the event if (event == LOAD) load program state from directory specifed in the event if (event == QUIT) exit the program immediately without asking the user for confirmation } You can also save the entire session from your program by sending a SAVE event to lashd, but that doesn't change any of the above logic. -- Lars Luthman - please encrypt any email sent to me if possible PGP key: http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x04C77E2E Fingerprint: FCA7 C790 19B9 322D EB7A E1B3 4371 4650 04C7 7E2E -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Jensen wrote: > I forgot to mention that it wasn't really a problem with lash itself, > but the quickly-done lash-implementation in some of the programs I used > (and want to use), most notably specimen and zynaddsubfx. I've written the LASH patch for Zyn. I'd be happy to try to fix any bugs you find if I can reproduce them. -- Lars Luthman - please encrypt any email sent to me if possible PGP key: http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x04C77E2E Fingerprint: FCA7 C790 19B9 322D EB7A E1B3 4371 4650 04C7 7E2E -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part Url : http://music.columbia.edu/pipermail/linux-audio-user/attachments/20060912/428e2b0a/attachment.bin From yves_p at nnx.com Tue Sep 12 11:11:59 2006 From: yves_p at nnx.com (Yves Potin) Date: Tue Sep 12 11:12:07 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Muse 0.8.1-r1 with GCC 4.1 In-Reply-To: <45066E49.30109@arcor.de> References: <20060911150113.GD2721@localhost> <200609111751.08277.rj@spamatica.se> <20060911160558.GE2721@localhost> <45066318.4060700@arcor.de> <45066E49.30109@arcor.de> Message-ID: <20060912151159.GH2721@localhost> Le 12 Sep ? 10:22, Frieder B?rzele ecrivait: > sync the overlay and try: > emerge fst =museseq-0.8.1a It works perfectly : [I--] [ ] media-libs/fst-1.8-r3 () [I--] [ ] media-sound/museseq-0.8.1a (0) As far as I see, without having testing this build of Muse intensively, it works. It's a really great pleasure to have such a support from so nice people, a great thank you :). Cheers, Y. From redfox at 99b.org Tue Sep 12 12:09:04 2006 From: redfox at 99b.org (Chris Abbott) Date: Tue Sep 12 12:09:28 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Intel Dual Core vs. AMD64 In-Reply-To: <20060912082224.36588.qmail@web52202.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20060912082224.36588.qmail@web52202.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4506DBA0.1030509@99b.org> I want to get my two cents in. Get an AMD 64-bit X2. The X2 is the dual-core series of AMD, if I'm not mistaken. Also keep in mind Intel keeps stealing stuff from AMD, such as the 64-bit technology. They just basically get their hands on an AMD processor, figure out how it works, and make their own. One piece of evidence is that AMD came out with the first 64-bit x86 processor. Not to mention AMD should be a little bit cheaper and more powerful. If you want some real fun, find a motherboard that supports two of them. Dual dual-core processors. I'm not sure if they even make these. heh heh, That would be some serious horsepower. Drucer Ninetynine wrote: > Get Intel core2duo. Not only has it excellent Linux > support, but it is also way faster than any AMD > processor out there. Just google for performance > reviews. You will be amazed. > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > From redfox at 99b.org Tue Sep 12 12:29:56 2006 From: redfox at 99b.org (Chris Abbott) Date: Tue Sep 12 12:30:09 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Intel Dual Core vs. AMD64 In-Reply-To: <4506DBA0.1030509@99b.org> References: <20060912082224.36588.qmail@web52202.mail.yahoo.com> <4506DBA0.1030509@99b.org> Message-ID: <4506E084.3010704@99b.org> Found these articles on the net. Of course some of the benchmarks aren't that reliable, due to the fact of how software is compiled, compile flags in Gentoo, and options passed to that program when ran. AMD 64-bit vs. Intel 64-bit http://www.linuxhardware.org/article.pl?sid=05/02/24/1747228&mode=thread AMD 64-bit Dual Core Benchmarks http://www.linuxhardware.org/article.pl?sid=05/05/19/1625246 I couldn't find any information on the duo on linuxhardware.org, but I may not have looked deep enough. Just remember, like sound equipment(especially speakers), compare before buying. Chris Abbott wrote: > I want to get my two cents in. Get an AMD 64-bit X2. The X2 is the > dual-core series of AMD, if I'm not mistaken. Also keep in mind Intel > keeps stealing stuff from AMD, such as the 64-bit technology. They > just basically get their hands on an AMD processor, figure out how it > works, and make their own. One piece of evidence is that AMD came out > with the first 64-bit x86 processor. Not to mention AMD should be a > little bit cheaper and more powerful. If you want some real fun, find > a motherboard that supports two of them. Dual dual-core processors. > I'm not sure if they even make these. heh heh, That would be some > serious horsepower. > > > > Drucer Ninetynine wrote: >> Get Intel core2duo. Not only has it excellent Linux >> support, but it is also way faster than any AMD >> processor out there. Just google for performance >> reviews. You will be amazed. >> >> __________________________________________________ >> Do You Yahoo!? >> Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around >> http://mail.yahoo.com >> > From rj at spamatica.se Tue Sep 12 12:31:51 2006 From: rj at spamatica.se (Robert Jonsson) Date: Tue Sep 12 12:32:05 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Intel Dual Core vs. AMD64 In-Reply-To: <4506DBA0.1030509@99b.org> References: <20060912082224.36588.qmail@web52202.mail.yahoo.com> <4506DBA0.1030509@99b.org> Message-ID: <200609121831.51651.rj@spamatica.se> Hi, On Tuesday 12 September 2006 18:09, Chris Abbott wrote: > I want to get my two cents in. Get an AMD 64-bit X2. The X2 is the > dual-core series of AMD, if I'm not mistaken. Also keep in mind Intel > keeps stealing stuff from AMD, such as the 64-bit technology. While it is true that intel is threading in amd's foot steps, calling it stealing is, well, just wierd. Actually it's a good thing as it brings a level compatibility between the chips. It's not as if amd has ever copied intel, more like that's the norm. Still amd of late has delivered great cpus. As for the original question, what to chose, having been burnt more times than I can count (I can't count that good though) I'd be cautious with any of these platforms. Linux support for new hardware is still nowhere near where it should be. I currently own an AMD X2 system and I have struggled with it for along time now, for the moment it has won over me and am running a single core kernel which seems to solve most problems. Effectively this halves the possible performance... As for Intel Core2 Duo, they get rave reviews lately for outstanding performance, still I'd be cautious until it's proven that this also relates to linux audio. It is not a given. Traditionally intel processors are subject to more severe denormal problems, I don't know if that is still true for core2. Regards, Robert -- http://spamatica.se/musicsite/ > They just > basically get their hands on an AMD processor, figure out how it works, > and make their own. One piece of evidence is that AMD came out with the > first 64-bit x86 processor. Not to mention AMD should be a little bit > cheaper and more powerful. If you want some real fun, find a motherboard > that supports two of them. Dual dual-core processors. I'm not sure if > they even make these. heh heh, That would be some serious horsepower. > > Drucer Ninetynine wrote: > > Get Intel core2duo. Not only has it excellent Linux > > support, but it is also way faster than any AMD > > processor out there. Just google for performance > > reviews. You will be amazed. > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > > http://mail.yahoo.com From v2 at iki.fi Tue Sep 12 12:41:18 2006 From: v2 at iki.fi (Sampo Savolainen) Date: Tue Sep 12 12:41:51 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Intel Dual Core vs. AMD64 In-Reply-To: <4506E084.3010704@99b.org> References: <20060912082224.36588.qmail@web52202.mail.yahoo.com> <4506DBA0.1030509@99b.org> <4506E084.3010704@99b.org> Message-ID: <1158079278.5404.6.camel@puppeli> On Tue, 2006-09-12 at 11:29 -0500, Chris Abbott wrote: > Found these articles on the net. Of course some of the benchmarks aren't > that reliable, due to the fact of how software is compiled, compile > flags in Gentoo, and options passed to that program when ran. > > AMD 64-bit vs. Intel 64-bit > http://www.linuxhardware.org/article.pl?sid=05/02/24/1747228&mode=thread > > AMD 64-bit Dual Core Benchmarks > http://www.linuxhardware.org/article.pl?sid=05/05/19/1625246 > > I couldn't find any information on the duo on linuxhardware.org, but I > may not have looked deep enough. Just remember, like sound > equipment(especially speakers), compare before buying. Pentium-4 EE's are so old school. While these benchmarks are not done on Linux, this is the current state of ye olde AMD vs Intel competition: http://www.tomshardware.com/2006/07/14/core2_duo_knocks_out_athlon_64/ http://www.hothardware.com/viewarticle.aspx?articleid=832&cid=1 http://techreport.com/reviews/2006q3/core2/index.x?pg=1 The bottom line: Core 2 Duo beats anything AMD can offer. Even the more cheaper not top-of-the-line Core 2 Duo processors kill the fastest AMD processors in most cases. Oh, and the AMD processors use almost twice the energy of a Core 2 Duo. Though. All of this will change eventually, of course. :) Sampo From alberto.botti at gmail.com Tue Sep 12 14:52:05 2006 From: alberto.botti at gmail.com (Alberto Botti) Date: Tue Sep 12 14:52:17 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Intel Dual Core vs. AMD64 In-Reply-To: <1158079278.5404.6.camel@puppeli> References: <20060912082224.36588.qmail@web52202.mail.yahoo.com> <4506DBA0.1030509@99b.org> <4506E084.3010704@99b.org> <1158079278.5404.6.camel@puppeli> Message-ID: <1158087125.6141.12.camel@localhost.localdomain> Il giorno mar, 12/09/2006 alle 19.41 +0300, Sampo Savolainen ha scritto: > The bottom line: Core 2 Duo beats anything AMD can offer. Even the more > cheaper not top-of-the-line Core 2 Duo processors kill the fastest AMD > processors in most cases. Oh, and the AMD processors use almost twice > the energy of a Core 2 Duo. > > Though. All of this will change eventually, of course. :) :) The lower grade AMDs are still competitive with the comparable ones from Intel, and are available in two low-consumption models, lower than Intel (ADO, rated at 65W maximum, and ADD, at 35W). They might be useful to build a near-silent pc (but you'll might run into issues with NVidia and ATI chipsets, VIA might be a good choice). At least according to these tests (note: conducted under Windows) http://www.lostcircuits.com/cpu/low_e/ From _ at whats-your.name Tue Sep 12 15:04:29 2006 From: _ at whats-your.name (carmen) Date: Tue Sep 12 15:04:32 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Intel Dual Core vs. AMD64 In-Reply-To: <1158087125.6141.12.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <20060912082224.36588.qmail@web52202.mail.yahoo.com> <4506DBA0.1030509@99b.org> <4506E084.3010704@99b.org> <1158079278.5404.6.camel@puppeli> <1158087125.6141.12.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <20060912190429.GG23694@replic.net> On Tue Sep 12, 2006 at 08:52:05PM +0200, Alberto Botti wrote: > Il giorno mar, 12/09/2006 alle 19.41 +0300, Sampo Savolainen ha scritto: > > The bottom line: Core 2 Duo beats anything AMD can offer. Even the more > > cheaper not top-of-the-line Core 2 Duo processors kill the fastest AMD > > processors in most cases. Oh, and the AMD processors use almost twice > > the energy of a Core 2 Duo. > > > > Though. All of this will change eventually, of course. :) > > :) > > The lower grade AMDs are still competitive with the comparable ones from > Intel, and are available in two low-consumption models, lower than Intel > (ADO, rated at 65W maximum, and ADD, at 35W). They might be useful to > build a near-silent pc (but you'll might run into issues with NVidia and > ATI chipsets, VIA might be a good choice). also note that in the benchmarks, somehow AMD still comes out on top in the 'apache' test. which suggests its possibly good at context switching and lots of threads, compared to Intel. which bodes well for 'nix in general, for all its interlocking parts. at the 200 USD price-point, which is sort of a sweet spot, AMD and Intel's offerings are pretty comparable. i'd start with a video and wireless chip you know are supported properly on linux, then pick a CPU that will go with it. unless you enjoy lockups, and proprietary drivers that won't compile with your xorg version, running Windows installers and copying over SYS files and mucking with NDISwrapper and all of that..unfortunately this means youre stuck with Intel. the joy of vendor lock-in :/ > > At least according to these tests (note: conducted under Windows) > > http://www.lostcircuits.com/cpu/low_e/ > From arthur.moore.lists at gmail.com Tue Sep 12 15:46:54 2006 From: arthur.moore.lists at gmail.com (Arthur Moore) Date: Tue Sep 12 15:47:02 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Intel Dual Core vs. AMD64 In-Reply-To: <20060912190429.GG23694@replic.net> References: <20060912082224.36588.qmail@web52202.mail.yahoo.com> <4506DBA0.1030509@99b.org> <4506E084.3010704@99b.org> <1158079278.5404.6.camel@puppeli> <1158087125.6141.12.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20060912190429.GG23694@replic.net> Message-ID: <596ea62c0609121246y28efca69m3b475b3b3df2822c@mail.gmail.com> Wow so much response. I definately am going to get and intel dual core. Just to fan the flame a little bit, has anyone used the macbook pros for much linux-audio work. I'm either going to get one of those, or a laptop from system76.com. Art On 9/12/06, carmen <_@whats-your.name> wrote: > On Tue Sep 12, 2006 at 08:52:05PM +0200, Alberto Botti wrote: > > Il giorno mar, 12/09/2006 alle 19.41 +0300, Sampo Savolainen ha scritto: > > > The bottom line: Core 2 Duo beats anything AMD can offer. Even the more > > > cheaper not top-of-the-line Core 2 Duo processors kill the fastest AMD > > > processors in most cases. Oh, and the AMD processors use almost twice > > > the energy of a Core 2 Duo. > > > > > > Though. All of this will change eventually, of course. :) > > > > :) > > > > The lower grade AMDs are still competitive with the comparable ones from > > Intel, and are available in two low-consumption models, lower than Intel > > (ADO, rated at 65W maximum, and ADD, at 35W). They might be useful to > > build a near-silent pc (but you'll might run into issues with NVidia and > > ATI chipsets, VIA might be a good choice). > > also note that in the benchmarks, somehow AMD still comes out on top in the > 'apache' test. which suggests its possibly good at context switching and > lots of threads, compared to Intel. which bodes well for 'nix in general, > for all its interlocking parts. > > at the 200 USD price-point, which is sort of a sweet spot, AMD and Intel's > offerings are pretty comparable. i'd start with a video and wireless chip > you know are supported properly on linux, then pick a CPU that will go with > it. unless you enjoy lockups, and proprietary drivers that won't compile > with your xorg version, running Windows installers and copying over SYS > files and mucking with NDISwrapper and all of that..unfortunately this means > youre stuck with Intel. the joy of vendor lock-in :/ > > > > > At least according to these tests (note: conducted under Windows) > > > > http://www.lostcircuits.com/cpu/low_e/ > > > From allan_wind at lifeintegrity.com Tue Sep 12 16:52:52 2006 From: allan_wind at lifeintegrity.com (Allan Wind) Date: Tue Sep 12 16:52:59 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Intel Dual Core vs. AMD64 In-Reply-To: <4506DBA0.1030509@99b.org> References: <20060912082224.36588.qmail@web52202.mail.yahoo.com> <4506DBA0.1030509@99b.org> Message-ID: <20060912205252.GA28352@lifeintegrity.com> On 2006-09-12T11:09:04-0500, Chris Abbott wrote: > They just basically get their hands on an AMD processor, figure out > how it works, and make their own. One piece of evidence is that AMD > came out with the first 64-bit x86 processor. AMD licensed the x86 extensions (to x86 ) as an open architecture. This was a smart strategy to derail wide adaption of Itanium. /Allan From loki.davison at gmail.com Tue Sep 12 20:25:15 2006 From: loki.davison at gmail.com (Loki Davison) Date: Tue Sep 12 20:25:23 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Song (i.e. project) managers ? In-Reply-To: <45069290.6050607@gmail.com> References: <20060908175154.0c8d8bf9@mistral.stie> <1157997178.14965.23.camel@cmn3.stanford.edu> <45068303.8080204@gmail.com> <20060912103018.GA5429@charly.SWORD> <45069290.6050607@gmail.com> Message-ID: On 9/12/06, Atte Andr? Jensen wrote: > Thorsten Wilms wrote: > > > Ooh, you documented your problems in all detail, posted about > > them and/or filed bug reports? > > Something like that, yeah (except the bug report part, reason explained > below)... > > I forgot to mention that it wasn't really a problem with lash itself, > but the quickly-done lash-implementation in some of the programs I used > (and want to use), most notably specimen and zynaddsubfx. > > Reason for no bug report: > Both programs are not very actively maintained, and lash support from > the users point of view is a matter of finding the right patch and > applying it to the source. This means that there's not really *one* > person to talk to, since the people maintaining the software didn't > implement the lash support and the authors of patches doesn't maintain > the software. > > -- > peace, love & harmony > Atte > I think Dave wrote the current lash code in specimen, so he might be interested in reports. Loki From renueden at earthlink.net Tue Sep 12 23:33:02 2006 From: renueden at earthlink.net (Ken) Date: Tue Sep 12 23:33:53 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Intel Dual Core vs. AMD64 In-Reply-To: <596ea62c0609121246y28efca69m3b475b3b3df2822c@mail.gmail.com> References: <20060912082224.36588.qmail@web52202.mail.yahoo.com> <4506DBA0.1030509@99b.org> <4506E084.3010704@99b.org> <1158079278.5404.6.camel@puppeli> <1158087125.6141.12.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20060912190429.GG23694@replic.net> <596ea62c0609121246y28efca69m3b475b3b3df2822c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <45077BEE.4080705@earthlink.net> Arthur Moore wrote: > Wow so much response. I definately am going to get and intel dual > core. Just to fan the flame a little bit, has anyone used the macbook > pros for much linux-audio work. I'm either going to get one of those, > or a laptop from system76.com. > > Art > > On 9/12/06, carmen <_@whats-your.name> wrote: >> On Tue Sep 12, 2006 at 08:52:05PM +0200, Alberto Botti wrote: >> > Il giorno mar, 12/09/2006 alle 19.41 +0300, Sampo Savolainen ha >> scritto: >> > > The bottom line: Core 2 Duo beats anything AMD can offer. Even >> the more >> > > cheaper not top-of-the-line Core 2 Duo processors kill the >> fastest AMD >> > > processors in most cases. Oh, and the AMD processors use almost >> twice >> > > the energy of a Core 2 Duo. >> > > >> > > Though. All of this will change eventually, of course. :) >> > >> > :) >> > >> > The lower grade AMDs are still competitive with the comparable ones >> from >> > Intel, and are available in two low-consumption models, lower than >> Intel >> > (ADO, rated at 65W maximum, and ADD, at 35W). They might be useful to >> > build a near-silent pc (but you'll might run into issues with >> NVidia and >> > ATI chipsets, VIA might be a good choice). >> >> also note that in the benchmarks, somehow AMD still comes out on top >> in the >> 'apache' test. which suggests its possibly good at context switching and >> lots of threads, compared to Intel. which bodes well for 'nix in >> general, >> for all its interlocking parts. >> >> at the 200 USD price-point, which is sort of a sweet spot, AMD and >> Intel's >> offerings are pretty comparable. i'd start with a video and wireless >> chip >> you know are supported properly on linux, then pick a CPU that will >> go with >> it. unless you enjoy lockups, and proprietary drivers that won't compile >> with your xorg version, running Windows installers and copying over SYS >> files and mucking with NDISwrapper and all of that..unfortunately >> this means >> youre stuck with Intel. the joy of vendor lock-in :/ >> >> > >> > At least according to these tests (note: conducted under Windows) >> > >> > http://www.lostcircuits.com/cpu/low_e/ >> > >> > Check out these laptops with pre-installed Ubuntu... No hassles!?! http://system76.com Ken From marcospcmusica at gmail.com Tue Sep 12 18:43:59 2006 From: marcospcmusica at gmail.com (Marcos Guglielmetti) Date: Tue Sep 12 23:41:35 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Musix GNU/Linux 0.59 released In-Reply-To: <450450E0.2090108@rytmisk.net> References: <200609061512.21793.marcospcmusica@gmail.com> <45044189.9060909@woh.rr.com> <450450E0.2090108@rytmisk.net> Message-ID: <200609130043.59832.marcospcmusica@gmail.com> El Domingo, 10 de Septiembre de 2006 19:52, Ketil Thorgersen escribi?: > > However for some strange reason both this (0.59) and the previous > > iso > > >> > fails to come up on my fairly ordinary laptop with an intel i810 > >> > graphics card. > >> > >> fails to come up? What do you mean exactly? video problems? > > Yes. > I get the prompt with the menu. I write menu and choose video config > (when no other option works) and tries all 3 autoconfig options. Noone > works. Well, that's maybe an horrible bug, try with the New Musix 0.59b18 ISO image. http://www.musix.org.ar/en/download.html > Then I try manual setup which worked with the previous release, > but not in 0.59. TOO Many packages were upgraded from debian/testing, and Debian/testing is not too much stable these days, so, maybe it's just that... but keep trying ?did you tried with fb800x600 or videovesa options from the Musix's boot prompt? > But as I wrote - it works with the non-rt kernel. > > Hopes for a fix as this looks perfect! > Ketil Well, thanks for the reports -- Marcos Guglielmetti * Director del desarrollo de Musix GNU+Linux, 100% Software Libre * CD Donwload: (http://www.musix.org.ar/en/) (www.pc-musica.com.ar/musix) * Videos, programas y otras cosas en: ftp://musix.ourproject.org/pub/musix/ * Reporte de errores a: https://www.musix.org.ar/wiki/index.php?title=Problemas-Bugs *IRC: #musix channel on freenode From marcospcmusica at gmail.com Tue Sep 12 18:49:43 2006 From: marcospcmusica at gmail.com (Marcos Guglielmetti) Date: Tue Sep 12 23:52:44 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Musix 0.59: new version Message-ID: <200609130049.44297.marcospcmusica@gmail.com> Download: Musix 0.59b18 http://www.musix.org.ar/en/download.html =Known problems in 0.59b15= These bugs were into Musix 0.59b15 from september 9 2006, the new version Musix 0.59b18 solves them. * If after installation the sound card is not correctly configured in each system boot, is necessary to write this command in a text console as root user: ln -s /bin/sndconf-musix.sh /etc/rcS.d/S50snd * After installation: if the ?critical Error? warning when initiating the desktop for the Knoppix user bothers you, it can be disabled from: Musix --> Settings --> KDE Control Panel --> System Administration --> Login Manager --> Convenience There, disable the '''"Enable Auto-login"''' option. * Creox: type this command as root user: ln -s /usr/lib/libjack-0.100.0.so.0 /usr/lib/libjack-0.80.0.so.0 * AMSN does not start due to a color definition problem, which it's related the application mrxvt. It can be replaced by using GAIM. Solution: ln -s /etc/X11/rgb.txt /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/ Then restart your desktop and amsn, cecilia, puredata and wavesurfer will start OK. * These problems are still into the new Musix 0.59b18 version: * Shaketracker 0.4.6-5+b1 & Denemo doesn't start. -- Marcos Guglielmetti * Director del desarrollo de Musix GNU+Linux, 100% Software Libre * CD Donwload: (http://www.musix.org.ar/en/) (www.pc-musica.com.ar/musix) * Videos, programas y otras cosas en: ftp://musix.ourproject.org/pub/musix/ * Reporte de errores a: https://www.musix.org.ar/wiki/index.php?title=Problemas-Bugs *IRC: #musix channel on freenode From mdesigner at free.fr Wed Sep 13 02:28:37 2006 From: mdesigner at free.fr (mdesigner) Date: Wed Sep 13 02:28:48 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Intel core-duo cpu and realtime patches In-Reply-To: <70a871c80607201102w700d1fe4gbf1496c871fe24dc@mail.gmail.com> References: <1153369260.7340.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> <70a871c80607201102w700d1fe4gbf1496c871fe24dc@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4507A515.5000906@free.fr> Pour la communaut? et autres Par Gisles.Nhy, mercredi 13 septembre 2006 ? 07:33 - CONCEPT AUDIO ET MIDI - #71 - rss Quelques morceaux en dedicace, je remercie ZinAddSubFX, Comme si un synth? avait besoin d'effet, tss,tss, Ardour, Les plugs LADSPA, hydrogen, et pour le live PureData.... et j'en oublie.... for ol beautiful children Non free but hommage with great artists ,french and cosmopolit ; guest star ; bashung french singer, bjork and the original from erik satie and deriv?s: From the tip of the thought , (just for one day) Just fo dj's, an only think : Charly MINGUS Just to have remember this : ThunderLove and take a bolero Special dedicaxe for free and daniel and allllll in debian multimedia list Just for my own pleasure, i call that "kiss from a vampire" Just an essai on Ardour, strap away and away, i like trumpet ! and you ? It was the 11 and after the aurore is crying above Bagdad (VeriDiK(TaK)) Another special dedicace for Dave Phillips and his new blog (so what, so beauty!) And for all jazz folk -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: mdesigner.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 159 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://music.columbia.edu/pipermail/linux-audio-user/attachments/20060913/26fc4a20/mdesigner-0001.vcf From lau at kudla.org Wed Sep 13 02:46:05 2006 From: lau at kudla.org (Rob) Date: Wed Sep 13 02:54:54 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] linux preinstalled laptops for audio In-Reply-To: <45077BEE.4080705@earthlink.net> References: <20060912082224.36588.qmail@web52202.mail.yahoo.com> <596ea62c0609121246y28efca69m3b475b3b3df2822c@mail.gmail.com> <45077BEE.4080705@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <200609130246.05200.lau@kudla.org> On Tuesday 12 September 2006 23:33, Ken wrote: > Check out these laptops with pre-installed Ubuntu... > No hassles!?! > http://system76.com I can't speak for System 76 (going to their site and seeing "ultralight" and "starting at 5 pounds" together just made me laugh), but I'm typing this on a Thinkpad X41 with Ubuntu preinstalled from Emperor Linux. They have a reputation as being one of the oldest and best surviving Linux laptop dealers. Here's my experience: I ordered the thing on the Friday before LinuxWorld, which may explain some of the following. Their website indicated that the laptop was in stock. A week and a half and a ton of emails and phone calls later, it turned out that not only was the laptop not in stock, but had been discontinued. They bumped me up to the next higher model, which I guess was nicer than just cancelling my order out from under me. I finally got it after not quite 3 weeks of trying to make do with an old, cranky Via C3 laptop since my own laptop's IDE had died. (Meanwhile, the web site still indicated, right up until the day before my replacement model arrived, that the one I ordered was "in stock, order now".) There were some issues with the preinstalled stuff. This Thinkpad is a tablet, and they preinstalled Wacom support (which is... or was... really nice) and two different handwriting programs. One was Jarnal, which was apparently hardcoded to use a newer JRE than they had installed. The other was Rosetta, which is more like Graffiti on a Palm than handwriting recognition. They neglected to include the trainer program for it, so it doesn't do anything. They also included a driver, seemingly written by a non-English-speaker, for the thumbprint scanner on the edge of the screen. I don't really believe in that stuff, but I tried it out anyway.... it works at console login prompts but not the normal Ubuntu gdm login screen. Naturally, since their main distro is Fedora and they have only recently started supporting Ubuntu, they installed everything in /opt and just seem to have dumped the files out there rather than making and installing packages. I mention this because this is my first Ubuntu experience and it sure would have been nice if as many files as possible were owned by packages so I can figure out what depends on what. More seriously, they neglected to mention that the version of X.org they included (needed for the xrandr stuff so you can flip the lid around and use it as a tablet) had no GLX support, and the custom kernel they rolled had no snd-usb-audio module (making it kinda hard to use my Midiman 1x1 or my Roland PCR-30 or Edirol UA-30), nor did it have the Ingo Molnar patch. I requested that patch, but told them to never mind when they told me that applying it would add 3-4 days to my delivery time. Judging by the fact that their Ubuntu rescue instructions make reference to installing RPM's, I get the sense they don't like to stray too far from the script. They gave me a fix for the Jarnal thing, though I'm sure I would have figured it out eventually. All the other problems are still outstanding, and when I asked whether I would get the X.org update that provides GLX free of charge, they clammed up and I haven't heard from them since. If you google around a bit, Emperor Linux has a reputation for ignoring emails but answering the phone right away.... that is, if you call during business hours. My "dick around with my notebook" time is pretty much right now, at 2 in the morning, since I can't exactly call when I'm sitting there at a client site. Anyway, I can confirm that that reputation is deserved. So then, when I built the snd-usb-audio module and did make modules_install (long after a member of their target market would have thrown up his hands in frustration), the laptop's wireless card stopped working (dmesg says it wouldn't take the firmware.) I switched to a stock Ubuntu kernel, and now I have wifi and MIDI with no compiling or hand-tweaking needed -- meaning they actually DISABLED the USB audio stuff on their custom build -- but no tablet functions whatsoever. On the plus side, I love the Thinkpad itself.... much nicer than my old Dell X200, though I wish I could mute the console beep since it's far louder than the sound card output. When the tablet stuff works, it's sweet to be able to open up the GIMP and just draw something, or fire up Jarnal and jot down network diagrams and notes and stuff. And now that I'm running a stock kernel, MIDI is plug-and-play. But was this experience worth the $800 markup over the stock Thinkpad tablet ($1000, if they hadn't given me the upgrade for nothing?) Ummm.... no. No way, no how. Do I have time to demand my money back and then buy and wait for another laptop? I hate to say it because they're really nice and all their help speaks English and I want Linux laptops to be a viable market.... but, I kinda wish I did. (Going back to the plus side, at least I still haven't been tempted to boot the thing into XP.) In conclusion, I'd go with a Linux laptop dealer if you want all the builtin stuff to work and never plan to hook up another device to it.... but if you want to do Linux audio, you'll probably spend more time trying to get it to work without wrecking all their custom stuff (or recovering from it when you do) than you would have spent just buying your laptop of choice and installing your distro of choice and rolling your own kernel with your choice of patches and modules. Hassle-free? Not even close. No one is serving our market yet, and it may be a while before anyone does. I actually think Ubuntu (or something else, but it sure is looking like ubuntu) is going to have to become the worldwide standard before things like universal "it just works" peripheral support and actual hassle-free notebook preinstalls start happening. Sorry for the rant, but when it costs a grand more to get free software preinstalled, I think people should see what they're getting into before they do it. Rob From yves_p at nnx.com Wed Sep 13 03:03:01 2006 From: yves_p at nnx.com (Yves Potin) Date: Wed Sep 13 03:03:09 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Muse 0.8.1-r1 with GCC 4.1 In-Reply-To: <45066E49.30109@arcor.de> References: <20060911150113.GD2721@localhost> <200609111751.08277.rj@spamatica.se> <20060911160558.GE2721@localhost> <45066318.4060700@arcor.de> <45066E49.30109@arcor.de> Message-ID: <20060913070301.GL2721@localhost> Le 12 Sep ? 10:22, Frieder B?rzele ecrivait: > sync the overlay and try: > emerge fst =museseq-0.8.1a Hi. Well, after testing more carefully, I notice that I can't have vst support in Muse. I have this in my package.use : media-sound/museseq -lash vst After compiling it a few times, I've finaly noticed this : >>> Emerging (1 of 1) media-sound/museseq-0.8.1a to / * muse-0.8.1a.tar.gz MD5 ;-) ...[ ok ] * muse-0.8.1a.tar.gz RMD160 ;-) ...[ ok ] * muse-0.8.1a.tar.gz SHA1 ;-) ...[ ok ] * muse-0.8.1a.tar.gz SHA256 ;-) ...[ ok ] * muse-0.8.1a.tar.gz size ;-) ...[ ok ] * checking ebuild checksums ;-) ...[ ok ] * checking auxfile checksums ;-) ...[ ok ] * checking miscfile checksums ;-) ...[ ok ] * checking muse-0.8.1a.tar.gz ;-) ...[ ok ] >>> Unpacking source... >>> Unpacking muse-0.8.1a.tar.gz to /var/tmp/portage/museseq-0.8.1a/work >>> Source unpacked. >>> Compiling source in /var/tmp/portage/museseq-0.8.1a/work/muse-0.8.1 >>> ... * vst useflag is disabled due segfault automake version: 1.9.6 (ok) autoconf version: 2.59 (ok) libtool version: 1.5.22 (ok) pkg-config: /usr/bin/pkg-config pkg-config version: 0.20 (ok) Then the script and the whole build continues running without a problem. If I run the configure manually, it gives me this : checking for JACK... yes configure: WARNING: LASH support is disabled checking for FST... configure: creating ./config.status config.status: creating Makefile config.status: creating m4/Makefile config.status: creating doc/Makefile The script echoes no answer about FST, for me this is weird. Then this : MusE configured using rtcap: no LASH support: no setuid root install: no setuid root build: no VST/win support: no My version of fst : [I--] [ ] media-libs/fst-1.8-r3 And wine : [I--] [ ~] app-emulation/wine-0.9.20 I'm absolutely not in a hurry regarding to this, as MIDI Thru works perfectly to communicate between Muse and VST plugins, but if this problem can find a solution, maybe should it be useful for others... Thanks in advance, Yves. From atte.jensen at gmail.com Wed Sep 13 03:24:07 2006 From: atte.jensen at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Atte_Andr=E9_Jensen?=) Date: Wed Sep 13 03:25:16 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Song (i.e. project) managers ? In-Reply-To: <1158070415.12190.7.camel@c-c675e055.456-1-64736c13.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se> References: <20060908175154.0c8d8bf9@mistral.stie> <1157997178.14965.23.camel@cmn3.stanford.edu> <45068303.8080204@gmail.com> <20060912103018.GA5429@charly.SWORD> <45069290.6050607@gmail.com> <1158070415.12190.7.camel@c-c675e055.456-1-64736c13.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se> Message-ID: <4507B217.5010508@gmail.com> Lars Luthman wrote: > I've written the LASH patch for Zyn. I'd be happy to try to fix any bugs > you find if I can reproduce them. Ok, here's a repost of what I wrote. Meanwhile I moved on a bit (changed from ubuntu to debian on that new laptop), so I cannot reproduce it right now, since my zyn is not patched. This was posted here on 2006-08-12, I got two replies none of which were really helpful in solving my problem, which is why I let it go. Hi I spend most of last night playing with LASH. I patched zyn, specimen and seq24 and also use lash_panel + patchage. However I have a problem. Often (almost precisely every other time) closing a session will make some programs (mostly zynaddsubfx) hang. They can't be killed with xkill or killall. If zyn is the hanging program it will still appear in qjackctl's midi connection. This will also take jack and lashd down, and this is output to the terminal where lashd was started: Project jesus_kristus removed LASH event: LASH_Quit Disconnected from Jack Disconnected from Alsa [JACK sync disabled] Writing [/home/atte/.seq24rc] JACK error: zombified - calling shutdown handler jack_mgr_shutdown_cb: JACK server shut us down; telling server to quit Cleaning up zombified - calling shutdown handler cannot read result for request type 7 from server (Connection reset by peer) cannot read result for request type 7 from server (Connection reset by peer) JACK error: cannot send request type 7 to server JACK error: cannot read result for request type 7 from server (Broken pipe) jack_mgr_destroy: could not deactivate jack client JACK error: cannot send request type 7 to server JACK error: cannot read result for request type 7 from server (Broken pipe) Finished So I figure it's a problem with lash in zynaddsubfx (if I only use specimen it seems to work very reliable). My questions are: 1) Is there a way to really kill a hanging zynaddsubfx, when killall and xkill won't work? 2) Does anyone have lash working reliable with seq24, sepcimen and zynaddsubfx? Which lash patches did you apply to which version, and did you have to do anything else? What distro? How do you start jack and lash? Which kernel? 3) I tried with both lash patched I could find (zyn-2.2.1-lash-jackmidi-060605.diff and zyn_lash-0.5.0pre0.diff) with ZynAddSubFX-2.2.1.tar.bz2. Is there something newer/better/different I should try? 4) Any ideas what could be wrong? Maybe it's something completely different... -- peace, love & harmony Atte From lanas at securenet.net Wed Sep 13 04:52:06 2006 From: lanas at securenet.net (lanas) Date: Wed Sep 13 04:52:21 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Spoofing Message-ID: <20060913045206.1a705bb5@mistral.stie> Folks, While watching the great movie (!) 'Son of Godzilla' I thought it'd be great fun for the kids and me to add our own dialogues to the movie. Something in the vein of MST3K or what the Firesign Theatre once did. We'd take some parts of the movie and add our own silly dialogues, while keeping the sound effects and music, if possible. Now, I won't ask if anyone wasted 'quality fun time' doing this. But let's suppose some did or at least some have good ideas about how to do that, perhaps using a homemade DV movie. How would you go about adding a soundtrack to parts of a movie that's transferred to disk ? Is there a 'movie' player whose audio output can be fed into Jack and mixed using Ardour ? How about recording back to a 'movie format' the results of both the audio mix and the footage ? Disclaimer: sorry if parts of the query offends digital management rights activists. This is absolutely not for resale. It is only for fun. Cheers, Al From mdeboer at iua.upf.edu Wed Sep 13 05:06:54 2006 From: mdeboer at iua.upf.edu (Maarten de Boer) Date: Wed Sep 13 05:07:30 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Spoofing In-Reply-To: <20060913045206.1a705bb5@mistral.stie> References: <20060913045206.1a705bb5@mistral.stie> Message-ID: <20060913110654.e10dea35.mdeboer@iua.upf.es> Hi, Another famous example of this technique is Woody Allen's movie debute "What's Up Tiger Lily?" http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0061177/ 'Plot Outline: In comic Woody Allen's film debut, he took the Japanese action film "International Secret Police: Key of Keys" and re-dubbed it, changing the plot to make it revolve around a secret egg salad recipe.' Anyway, I think this can be done with Kino, though I am not sure if you can use DVD material with it. maarten > While watching the great movie (!) 'Son of Godzilla' I thought it'd > be great fun for the kids and me to add our own dialogues to the > movie. Something in the vein of MST3K or what the Firesign Theatre > once did. We'd take some parts of the movie and add our own silly > dialogues, while keeping the sound effects and music, if possible. From dlphillips at woh.rr.com Wed Sep 13 06:24:11 2006 From: dlphillips at woh.rr.com (Dave Phillips) Date: Wed Sep 13 06:02:38 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] linux preinstalled laptops for audio In-Reply-To: <200609130246.05200.lau@kudla.org> References: <20060912082224.36588.qmail@web52202.mail.yahoo.com> <596ea62c0609121246y28efca69m3b475b3b3df2822c@mail.gmail.com> <45077BEE.4080705@earthlink.net> <200609130246.05200.lau@kudla.org> Message-ID: <4507DC4B.2000909@woh.rr.com> Rob wrote: >[snip]... >Sorry for the rant, but when it costs a grand more to get free >software preinstalled, I think people should see what they're >getting into before they do it. > Please, Rob, there's absolutely no apology necessary. You've posted a well-written review of a product that makes claims relevant to this mailing list, and I wish there were more such reviews. Thanks ! Best, dp From dlphillips at woh.rr.com Wed Sep 13 08:30:03 2006 From: dlphillips at woh.rr.com (Dave Phillips) Date: Wed Sep 13 08:08:30 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Musix 0.59: new version In-Reply-To: <200609130049.44297.marcospcmusica@gmail.com> References: <200609130049.44297.marcospcmusica@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4507F9CB.4080907@woh.rr.com> Hi Marcos: Same problem with the new ISO image. I'll try burning it at a slower speed, but other ISO images burn okay at the regular speed. Best, dp From dlphillips at woh.rr.com Wed Sep 13 08:41:25 2006 From: dlphillips at woh.rr.com (Dave Phillips) Date: Wed Sep 13 08:19:53 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Musix 0.59: new version In-Reply-To: <4507F9CB.4080907@woh.rr.com> References: <200609130049.44297.marcospcmusica@gmail.com> <4507F9CB.4080907@woh.rr.com> Message-ID: <4507FC75.9070107@woh.rr.com> Quick additional note: The MD5 checksum matches. From dlphillips at woh.rr.com Wed Sep 13 08:50:45 2006 From: dlphillips at woh.rr.com (Dave Phillips) Date: Wed Sep 13 08:29:10 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Musix 0.59: new version In-Reply-To: <4507F9CB.4080907@woh.rr.com> References: <200609130049.44297.marcospcmusica@gmail.com> <4507F9CB.4080907@woh.rr.com> Message-ID: <4507FEA5.1070307@woh.rr.com> Hi Marcos: I brought the burn speed down from 40x to 16x, burned a new disc, and have the same problem. The disc is not recognized at boot. As reported, the checksum matches and gcombust reports no errors during the burn. Bummer. :( Any suggestions ? Best, dp From dlphillips at woh.rr.com Wed Sep 13 09:28:47 2006 From: dlphillips at woh.rr.com (Dave Phillips) Date: Wed Sep 13 09:07:13 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Musix GNU/Linux 0.59 released In-Reply-To: <200609130043.59832.marcospcmusica@gmail.com> References: <200609061512.21793.marcospcmusica@gmail.com> <45044189.9060909@woh.rr.com> <450450E0.2090108@rytmisk.net> <200609130043.59832.marcospcmusica@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4508078F.5040702@woh.rr.com> One more note: I mounted the last disc I burned, it appears that everything is there, it's just not bootable. ? From cesare at poeticstudios.com Wed Sep 13 12:07:27 2006 From: cesare at poeticstudios.com (Cesare Marilungo) Date: Wed Sep 13 10:08:30 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Spoofing In-Reply-To: <20060913045206.1a705bb5@mistral.stie> References: <20060913045206.1a705bb5@mistral.stie> Message-ID: <45082CBF.4040605@poeticstudios.com> lanas wrote: >Folks, > > While watching the great movie (!) 'Son of Godzilla' I thought it'd >be great fun for the kids and me to add our own dialogues to the >movie. Something in the vein of MST3K or what the Firesign Theatre >once did. We'd take some parts of the movie and add our own silly >dialogues, while keeping the sound effects and music, if possible. > > Now, I won't ask if anyone wasted 'quality fun time' doing this. But >let's suppose some did or at least some have good ideas about how to do >that, perhaps using a homemade DV movie. How would you go about adding a >soundtrack to parts of a movie that's transferred to disk ? Is there a >'movie' player whose audio output can be fed into Jack and mixed using >Ardour ? How about recording back to a 'movie format' the results of >both the audio mix and the footage ? > > Disclaimer: sorry if parts of the query offends digital management >rights activists. This is absolutely not for resale. It is only for >fun. > >Cheers, >Al > > > > First you have to rip the dvd using something like dvd::rip: http://www.exit1.org/dvdrip/ Never used it. Then you can edit it (and add your own audio) with cinelerra: http://heroinewarrior.com/cinelerra.php3 I have had some problems compiling the official version, but I've had success with this 'branch' version: http://cvs.cinelerra.org/ This is a powerful software. I'm using it to edit my own dv movies and I've successfully made some dvds with it. Cheers, c. -- www.cesaremarilungo.com On the Internet, no one knows you're using Windows NT -- Submitted by Ramiro Estrugo, restrugo@fateware.com From dlphillips at woh.rr.com Wed Sep 13 10:45:43 2006 From: dlphillips at woh.rr.com (Dave Phillips) Date: Wed Sep 13 10:24:07 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Spoofing In-Reply-To: <45082CBF.4040605@poeticstudios.com> References: <20060913045206.1a705bb5@mistral.stie> <45082CBF.4040605@poeticstudios.com> Message-ID: <45081997.1060008@woh.rr.com> Cesare Marilungo wrote: [re: Cinelerra et al] > This is a powerful software. I'm using it to edit my own dv movies and > I've successfully made some dvds with it. Cinelerra is powerful. It would be even more powerful if you could find the time to document your success in a HOWTO for others. I know time is always too short, but seriously, it would be wonderful to see a step-by-step tutorial guide to DVD production with the software you mentioned. Best regards, dp From cesare at poeticstudios.com Wed Sep 13 13:00:58 2006 From: cesare at poeticstudios.com (Cesare Marilungo) Date: Wed Sep 13 11:02:02 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Spoofing In-Reply-To: <45081997.1060008@woh.rr.com> References: <20060913045206.1a705bb5@mistral.stie> <45082CBF.4040605@poeticstudios.com> <45081997.1060008@woh.rr.com> Message-ID: <4508394A.6070209@poeticstudios.com> Dave Phillips wrote: > Cesare Marilungo wrote: > > [re: Cinelerra et al] > >> This is a powerful software. I'm using it to edit my own dv movies >> and I've successfully made some dvds with it. > > > Cinelerra is powerful. It would be even more powerful if you could > find the time to document your success in a HOWTO for others. I know > time is always too short, but seriously, it would be wonderful to see > a step-by-step tutorial guide to DVD production with the software you > mentioned. > > Best regards, > > dp > > > If you believe that there's an interest in this I'll try to write an howto as soon as I'll have enough spare time. Meanwhile you can read this: http://www.ftconsult.com/twiki/bin/view/Cinelerra/PreparingDvd It's only about the last part of the process (how to export the video and the audio files from cinelerra, prepare the image and burn the dvd). To capture from the dvd camera I use dvgrab (a command-line utility). Ciao, c. -- www.cesaremarilungo.com On the Internet, no one knows you're using Windows NT -- Submitted by Ramiro Estrugo, restrugo@fateware.com From brad at sonaural.com Wed Sep 13 11:01:41 2006 From: brad at sonaural.com (Brad Fuller) Date: Wed Sep 13 11:02:18 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] linux preinstalled laptops for audio In-Reply-To: <200609130246.05200.lau@kudla.org> References: <20060912082224.36588.qmail@web52202.mail.yahoo.com> <596ea62c0609121246y28efca69m3b475b3b3df2822c@mail.gmail.com> <45077BEE.4080705@earthlink.net> <200609130246.05200.lau@kudla.org> Message-ID: <45081D55.7010704@sonaural.com> Rob wrote: > On Tuesday 12 September 2006 23:33, Ken wrote: > >> Check out these laptops with pre-installed Ubuntu... >> No hassles!?! >> http://system76.com >> > > I think people should see what they're > getting into before they do it. > > Rob > A most appreciated candid review! Thanks, Rob! -- brad fuller From renueden at earthlink.net Wed Sep 13 11:14:24 2006 From: renueden at earthlink.net (Ken) Date: Wed Sep 13 11:16:27 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] linux preinstalled laptops for audio In-Reply-To: <45081D55.7010704@sonaural.com> References: <20060912082224.36588.qmail@web52202.mail.yahoo.com> <596ea62c0609121246y28efca69m3b475b3b3df2822c@mail.gmail.com> <45077BEE.4080705@earthlink.net> <200609130246.05200.lau@kudla.org> <45081D55.7010704@sonaural.com> Message-ID: <45082050.2050905@earthlink.net> Brad Fuller wrote: > Rob wrote: > >> On Tuesday 12 September 2006 23:33, Ken wrote: >> >> >>> Check out these laptops with pre-installed Ubuntu... >>> No hassles!?! >>> http://system76.com >>> >>> >> I think people should see what they're >> getting into before they do it. >> >> Rob >> >> > A most appreciated candid review! Thanks, Rob! > > Well, I just recieved my laptop from System 76 yesterday, so I'll post a review of sorts after I give it a run through.... After Rob's experience, yikes... k From eviltwin69 at cableone.net Wed Sep 13 11:32:13 2006 From: eviltwin69 at cableone.net (Jan Depner) Date: Wed Sep 13 11:47:24 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] linux preinstalled laptops for audio In-Reply-To: <45082050.2050905@earthlink.net> References: <20060912082224.36588.qmail@web52202.mail.yahoo.com> <596ea62c0609121246y28efca69m3b475b3b3df2822c@mail.gmail.com> <45077BEE.4080705@earthlink.net> <200609130246.05200.lau@kudla.org> <45081D55.7010704@sonaural.com> <45082050.2050905@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <1158161533.7842.1.camel@eviltwin> On Wed, 2006-09-13 at 08:14 -0700, Ken wrote: > Brad Fuller wrote: > > Rob wrote: > > > >> On Tuesday 12 September 2006 23:33, Ken wrote: > >> > >> > >>> Check out these laptops with pre-installed Ubuntu... > >>> No hassles!?! > >>> http://system76.com > >>> > >>> > >> I think people should see what they're > >> getting into before they do it. > >> > >> Rob > >> > >> > > A most appreciated candid review! Thanks, Rob! > > > > > Well, I just recieved my laptop from System 76 yesterday, so I'll post a > review of sorts after I give it a run through.... > > After Rob's experience, yikes... > > k I missed the start of this thread but I purchased a laptop from Emperor Linux a few years ago and was very happy with the laptop and the service. http://www.emperorlinux.com/ -- Jan 'Evil Twin' Depner The Fuzzy Dice http://myweb.cableone.net/eviltwin69/fuzzy.html "As we enjoy great advantages from the invention of others, we should be glad of an opportunity to serve others by any invention of ours, and this we should do freely and generously." Benjamin Franklin, on declining patents offered by the governor of Pennsylvania for his "Pennsylvania Fireplace", c. 1744 From lau at kudla.org Wed Sep 13 12:18:00 2006 From: lau at kudla.org (Rob) Date: Wed Sep 13 12:19:12 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] linux preinstalled laptops for audio In-Reply-To: <1158161533.7842.1.camel@eviltwin> References: <20060912082224.36588.qmail@web52202.mail.yahoo.com> <45082050.2050905@earthlink.net> <1158161533.7842.1.camel@eviltwin> Message-ID: <200609131218.00970.lau@kudla.org> On Wednesday 13 September 2006 11:32, Jan Depner wrote: > > Well, I just recieved my laptop from System 76 yesterday, so > > I'll post a review of sorts after I give it a run > > through.... > > After Rob's experience, yikes... > I missed the start of this thread but I purchased a laptop > from Emperor Linux a few years ago and was very happy with the > laptop and the service. > > http://www.emperorlinux.com/ My laptop is actually an Emperor Linux laptop (the "Raven X41 Tablet"). Too much snipping going on, makes it look like my frustrating experience was with System 76.... Rob From rj at spamatica.se Wed Sep 13 12:21:09 2006 From: rj at spamatica.se (Robert Jonsson) Date: Wed Sep 13 12:20:29 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Muse 0.8.1-r1 with GCC 4.1 In-Reply-To: <20060913070301.GL2721@localhost> References: <20060911150113.GD2721@localhost> <45066E49.30109@arcor.de> <20060913070301.GL2721@localhost> Message-ID: <200609131821.09934.rj@spamatica.se> Hi, On Wednesday 13 September 2006 09:03, Yves Potin wrote: > Le 12 Sep ? 10:22, Frieder B?rzele ecrivait: > > sync the overlay and try: > > emerge fst =museseq-0.8.1a > > Hi. > Well, after testing more carefully, I notice that I can't have vst > support in Muse. Again, it was a while since I tried so I may be wrong, but as I recall fst 1.8/1.7 is quite different from the older versions, which is what MusE supports. It is quite unfortunate that their version numbering is consecutive. I think I tried fixing one of the versions for muse at one time but gave up. Btw, the vst check is changed in muse cvs now such that it's only performed when --enable-vst is added. /Robert > I have this in my package.use : > media-sound/museseq -lash vst > > After compiling it a few times, I've finaly noticed this : > >>> Emerging (1 of 1) media-sound/museseq-0.8.1a to / > > * muse-0.8.1a.tar.gz MD5 ;-) ...[ ok ] > * muse-0.8.1a.tar.gz RMD160 ;-) ...[ ok ] > * muse-0.8.1a.tar.gz SHA1 ;-) ...[ ok ] > * muse-0.8.1a.tar.gz SHA256 ;-) ...[ ok ] > * muse-0.8.1a.tar.gz size ;-) ...[ ok ] > * checking ebuild checksums ;-) ...[ ok ] > * checking auxfile checksums ;-) ...[ ok ] > * checking miscfile checksums ;-) ...[ ok ] > * checking muse-0.8.1a.tar.gz ;-) ...[ ok ] > > >>> Unpacking source... > >>> Unpacking muse-0.8.1a.tar.gz to /var/tmp/portage/museseq-0.8.1a/work > >>> Source unpacked. > >>> Compiling source in /var/tmp/portage/museseq-0.8.1a/work/muse-0.8.1 > >>> ... > > * vst useflag is disabled due segfault > automake version: 1.9.6 (ok) > autoconf version: 2.59 (ok) > libtool version: 1.5.22 (ok) > pkg-config: /usr/bin/pkg-config > pkg-config version: 0.20 (ok) > > > Then the script and the whole build continues running without a > problem. If I run the configure manually, it gives me this : > > checking for JACK... yes > configure: WARNING: LASH support is disabled > checking for FST... configure: creating ./config.status > config.status: creating Makefile > config.status: creating m4/Makefile > config.status: creating doc/Makefile > > The script echoes no answer about FST, for me this is weird. Then > this : > > MusE configured > > using rtcap: no > LASH support: no > setuid root install: no > setuid root build: no > VST/win support: no > > > My version of fst : > [I--] [ ] media-libs/fst-1.8-r3 > And wine : > [I--] [ ~] app-emulation/wine-0.9.20 > I'm absolutely not in a hurry regarding to this, as MIDI Thru works > perfectly to communicate between Muse and VST plugins, but if this problem > can find a solution, maybe should it be useful for others... > Thanks in advance, > > Yves. -- http://spamatica.se/musicsite/ From jdboyd at jdboyd.net Wed Sep 13 12:20:04 2006 From: jdboyd at jdboyd.net (Joshua Boyd) Date: Wed Sep 13 12:35:14 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] linux preinstalled laptops for audio In-Reply-To: <200609130246.05200.lau@kudla.org> References: <20060912082224.36588.qmail@web52202.mail.yahoo.com> <596ea62c0609121246y28efca69m3b475b3b3df2822c@mail.gmail.com> <45077BEE.4080705@earthlink.net> <200609130246.05200.lau@kudla.org> Message-ID: <20060913162004.GB11919@jdboyd> On Wed, Sep 13, 2006 at 02:46:05AM -0400, Rob wrote: > So then, when I built the snd-usb-audio module and did make > modules_install (long after a member of their target market > would have thrown up his hands in frustration), the laptop's > wireless card stopped working (dmesg says it wouldn't take the > firmware.) I switched to a stock Ubuntu kernel, and now I have > wifi and MIDI with no compiling or hand-tweaking needed -- > meaning they actually DISABLED the USB audio stuff on their > custom build -- but no tablet functions whatsoever. Do you know, does the tablet functionality look like a normal wacom tablet? Ubuntu uses CONFIG_USB_WACOM=m by default, so unless a tablet computer requires a different computer from a stand alone wacom tablet, you should have the needed kernel driver present. Is there anything about wacom when you do an lsmod? If not, what happens if you try "sudo modprobe wacom"? I'm assuming that the Xorg configuration shouldn't need to change when you switched to a standard kernel, but that might require digging into as well. Previously I had very little trouble setting up wacom tablets on Linux, although I don't have any machines configured that way for comparison against currently. > On the plus side, I love the Thinkpad itself.... much nicer than > my old Dell X200, though I wish I could mute the console beep > since it's far louder than the sound card output. System>Preferences>Sound. If you then click on the System Beep tab, there is an "Enable system beep" check box that you can disable. At least, it worked as desired on my workplace R51 laptop (running Dapper), where the system beeps were way too loud as well. -- Joshua D. Boyd jdboyd@jdboyd.net http://www.jdboyd.net/ http://www.joshuaboyd.org/ From marcospcmusica at gmail.com Wed Sep 13 08:50:58 2006 From: marcospcmusica at gmail.com (Marcos Guglielmetti) Date: Wed Sep 13 13:48:37 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Musix GNU/Linux 0.59 released In-Reply-To: <4508078F.5040702@woh.rr.com> References: <200609061512.21793.marcospcmusica@gmail.com> <200609130043.59832.marcospcmusica@gmail.com> <4508078F.5040702@woh.rr.com> Message-ID: <200609131450.59309.marcospcmusica@gmail.com> El Mi?rcoles, 13 de Septiembre de 2006 15:28, Dave Phillips escribi?: > One more note: I mounted the last disc I burned, it appears that > everything is there, it's just not bootable. > > ? Maybe you have a problem in your hardware, does it produces any error mesagges? Also the isolinux booting system is the same as the older Musix and Knoppix versions No other user reported something like that, but I will tell you if that happens. -- Marcos Guglielmetti * Director del desarrollo de Musix GNU+Linux, 100% Software Libre * CD Donwload: (http://www.musix.org.ar/en/) (www.pc-musica.com.ar/musix) * Videos, programas y otras cosas en: ftp://musix.ourproject.org/pub/musix/ * Reporte de errores a: https://www.musix.org.ar/wiki/index.php?title=Problemas-Bugs *IRC: #musix channel on freenode From dlphillips at woh.rr.com Wed Sep 13 14:29:37 2006 From: dlphillips at woh.rr.com (Dave Phillips) Date: Wed Sep 13 14:08:06 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Musix GNU/Linux 0.59 released In-Reply-To: <200609131450.59309.marcospcmusica@gmail.com> References: <200609061512.21793.marcospcmusica@gmail.com> <200609130043.59832.marcospcmusica@gmail.com> <4508078F.5040702@woh.rr.com> <200609131450.59309.marcospcmusica@gmail.com> Message-ID: <45084E11.8080308@woh.rr.com> Marcos Guglielmetti wrote: >El Mi?rcoles, 13 de Septiembre de 2006 15:28, Dave Phillips escribi?: > > >>One more note: I mounted the last disc I burned, it appears that >>everything is there, it's just not bootable. >> >>? >> >> > >Maybe you have a problem in your hardware, does it produces any error >mesagges? Also the isolinux booting system is the same as the older Musix and >Knoppix versions > >No other user reported something like that, but I will tell you if that >happens. > > Sorry, Marcos, no errors are reported, the boot process simply passes through the CD drive as though no disc is there. I'm running Apodio 4.3.9 at this time on my desktop machine, it booted from disc with no problems. :( I'll try the discs on some other hardware and report back to you. Best, dp From marcospcmusica at gmail.com Wed Sep 13 09:13:34 2006 From: marcospcmusica at gmail.com (Marcos Guglielmetti) Date: Wed Sep 13 14:12:09 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Musix 0.59: new version In-Reply-To: <4507FEA5.1070307@woh.rr.com> References: <200609130049.44297.marcospcmusica@gmail.com> <4507F9CB.4080907@woh.rr.com> <4507FEA5.1070307@woh.rr.com> Message-ID: <200609131513.35046.marcospcmusica@gmail.com> El Mi?rcoles, 13 de Septiembre de 2006 14:50, Dave Phillips escribi?: > Hi Marcos: > > I brought the burn speed down from 40x to 16x, burned a new disc, and > have the same problem. The disc is not recognized at boot. As reported, > the checksum matches and gcombust reports no errors during the burn. > Bummer. :( > > Any suggestions ? Are you sure that your CD/DVD device works really fine? Did you tried this CD in another PC? It would be to troublous (I mean "to bother") to burn it at 4x speed? Well, these are my advices, but I really dont know what are the problems there, sorry. Did you tried Musix in an older version? Did it worked? The isolinux booting system is the same as before, the mkisofs it's anotherone (4:2.01+01a03-5) than in the very older Musix's versions (4:2.0+a27-1), maybe that's a problem related to mkisofs version and your hardware... but I really dont know. Please, try it into another PC. -- Marcos Guglielmetti * Director del desarrollo de Musix GNU+Linux, 100% Software Libre * CD Donwload: (http://www.musix.org.ar/en/) (www.pc-musica.com.ar/musix) * Videos, programas y otras cosas en: ftp://musix.ourproject.org/pub/musix/ * Reporte de errores a: https://www.musix.org.ar/wiki/index.php?title=Problemas-Bugs *IRC: #musix channel on freenode From marcospcmusica at gmail.com Wed Sep 13 09:29:50 2006 From: marcospcmusica at gmail.com (Marcos Guglielmetti) Date: Wed Sep 13 14:28:28 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Musix GNU/Linux 0.59 released In-Reply-To: <45084E11.8080308@woh.rr.com> References: <200609061512.21793.marcospcmusica@gmail.com> <200609131450.59309.marcospcmusica@gmail.com> <45084E11.8080308@woh.rr.com> Message-ID: <200609131529.51029.marcospcmusica@gmail.com> El Mi?rcoles, 13 de Septiembre de 2006 20:29, Dave Phillips escribi?: > Sorry, Marcos, no errors are reported, the boot process simply passes > through the CD drive as though no disc is there. I'm running Apodio > 4.3.9 at this time on my desktop machine, it booted from disc with no > problems. :( > > I'll try the discs on some other hardware and report back to you. > > Best, > > dp Ok, just for the record, here there is an user with a similar problem: """"""""" Re: [Musix-users] Re: Musix 0.50 De: Sean Edwards Para: Musix GNU+Linux users list Fecha: 15/08/06 11:29 ? Greetings everyone. I just downloaded the Musix 0.50 iso image, and burned it to CD. ?For some reason, the CD does not boot. So far, I have tried Roxio for Windows, k3b on Linux and cdrecord on Linux to create CD's from the .iso image, and the results are the same; CD just won't boot. ?My PC doesn't see system loader on the CD; it times out and then boots from the hard drive. I will try these CD's in my machine at work, and I will try downloading the .iso to that machine and burn a disk with it. I have an idea of the questions that will come my way, so here are the answers to some of them: Yes, I have booted from CD in the past, in fact, I have Musix 0.40 currently installed using Grub to dual-boot with Win XP Pro. No, I have not tried these CD's in another PC. I will do that at work. Yes, I have mouted the CD's to see if data is on them. Yes, I have mouted the .iso image on the loop back device and compared it to what was on the CD; it all matched. Does anybody else have this problem with Musix 0.50? Thank you for your help, -=cybersean3000=- """""""""""" Then: """""""""" Re: [Musix-users] Re: Musix 0.50 De: Sean Edwards Para: Musix GNU+Linux users list Fecha: 15/08/06 17:41 ? Sorry to reply to my own message. I downloaded the 0.50 iso image at work, burned it with cdrecord, and it booted successfully. ?The problem seems to be with my PC at home. Sorry to bother you with this. By the way . . . 0.50 is very impressive! ?Nice work! -=cybersean3000=- """""""""""" And, another: El Domingo, 10 de Septiembre de 2006 14:42, Jack Langdon escribi?: > Hi, > > I seem not to be able to boot Musix 0.59 CD even though several other live > linux CD's boot just fine. I noticed that someone had a similar problem > with Musix 0.50: > > https://lists.ourproject.org/pipermail/musix-users/2006-August/000280.html > > In that previous case, the user managed to boot the CD on a different > computer. However, I only have one computer to play with, and thus would > like to hear if there is anything I could do. > > Was there any conclusion about the problem with Musix 0.50? No, just that: "I downloaded the 0.50 iso image at work, burned it with cdrecord, and it booted successfully. The problem seems to be with my PC at home. Sorry to bother you with this. By the way . . . 0.50 is very impressive! Nice work! " > If booting the CD just does not work for me, is there any workaround, i.e., > boot from floppy or HD (just remember that I can not boot the CD to create > such floppies)? Yes: I have no floppy here, I dont use them, but, it's possible, try using: /KNOPPIX/utils/* From: /KNOPPIX/knoppix-docs/KNOPPIX-FAQ-EN.txt "Q: My computer won't boot from CD. What should I do? A: Look in your computer's BIOS to see whether it's set to boot from CD (on most computers you need to push the "delete" key during the RAM test). If this is already set, your computer may not be able to read the CD (some notebooks have problems with black-coated CD's, for example). Some computers will only use the new BIOS settings after a hard reset. If your computer doesn't support booting from CD, you can create a boot floppy using the "mkbootfloppy" program. " I think it's talking about: /KNOPPIX/utils/MkImage-ct.exe > Thank you in advance, Tell us it it's works for you > > Jack Langdon -- Marcos Guglielmetti * Director del desarrollo de Musix GNU+Linux, 100% Software Libre * CD Donwload: (http://www.musix.org.ar/en/) (www.pc-musica.com.ar/musix) * Videos, programas y otras cosas en: ftp://musix.ourproject.org/pub/musix/ * Reporte de errores a: https://www.musix.org.ar/wiki/index.php?title=Problemas-Bugs *IRC: #musix channel on freenode From juuso.alasuutari at tamperelainen.org Wed Sep 13 15:44:23 2006 From: juuso.alasuutari at tamperelainen.org (juuso.alasuutari@tamperelainen.org) Date: Wed Sep 13 15:41:44 2006 Subject: VST in MusE (was: Re: [linux-audio-user] Muse 0.8.1-r1 with GCC 4.1) In-Reply-To: <200609131821.09934.rj@spamatica.se> References: <20060911150113.GD2721@localhost> <45066E49.30109@arcor.de> <20060913070301.GL2721@localhost> <200609131821.09934.rj@spamatica.se> Message-ID: <1158176663.45085f97d2798@cs1.alpha12.l-secure.net> Quoting Robert Jonsson : > Hi, > > On Wednesday 13 September 2006 09:03, Yves Potin wrote: > > Le 12 Sep à 10:22, Frieder Bürzele ecrivait: > > > sync the overlay and try: > > > emerge fst =museseq-0.8.1a > > > > Hi. > > Well, after testing more carefully, I notice that I can't have vst > > support in Muse. > > Again, it was a while since I tried so I may be wrong, but as I recall fst > 1.8/1.7 is quite different from the older versions, which is what MusE > supports. It is quite unfortunate that their version numbering is > consecutive. > I think I tried fixing one of the versions for muse at one time but gave up. I asked about this same issue on lmuse-user a while ago [0] (got no replies, though). I understood from my attempts that MusE needs fst <= 1.6, and fst-1.6 needs Wine's libwine_unicode.so library. The tricky part is that in recent Wine releases it has been merged with libwine.so. I can't remember if I tried to change all mentions of libwine_unicode to libwine in the fst sources. Maybe I could see if that helps. I don't know what the last Wine release was that included libwine_unicode.so, but installing that and fst-1.6 should (in theory) enable VST in MusE. Personally, I enjoy the cutting edge too much to retreat. :) Juuso [0] http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/forum.php?thread_id=30173531&forum_id=36084 ---------------------------------------------------------------- This mail sent through L-secure: http://www.l-secure.net/ From dlphillips at woh.rr.com Wed Sep 13 16:17:15 2006 From: dlphillips at woh.rr.com (Dave Phillips) Date: Wed Sep 13 15:55:39 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Musix GNU/Linux 0.59 released In-Reply-To: <200609131529.51029.marcospcmusica@gmail.com> References: <200609061512.21793.marcospcmusica@gmail.com> <200609131450.59309.marcospcmusica@gmail.com> <45084E11.8080308@woh.rr.com> <200609131529.51029.marcospcmusica@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4508674B.7040508@woh.rr.com> Hi Marcos: Ha, the discs I burned work when run on my laptop. :) I'll try burning one at 4x and see if that will help for the desktop machine. Well, at least I now have a bunch of Musix discs to give to friends. :) Best, dp From rj at spamatica.se Wed Sep 13 16:13:29 2006 From: rj at spamatica.se (Robert Jonsson) Date: Wed Sep 13 16:12:10 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [songs] songs /songs/ Message-ID: <200609132213.29872.rj@spamatica.se> Hey folks, Been a while since I posted any songs. I was under the impression that I had nothing created, looks like I did anyway ;)... Anyway, here goes, diverse to the point of total lack of focus. Judge for yourself. http://spamatica.se/music/spamatica/default/spamatica_-_bloodsimple1.1.ogg http://spamatica.se/music/spamatica/default/spamatica_-_preludium_to_armageddon1.0.ogg http://spamatica.se/music/spamatica/default/spamatica_-_i_gotta_hand_it_to_you1.1.ogg http://spamatica.se/music/spamatica/default/spamatica_-_ddb3.ogg http://spamatica.se/music/spamatica/default/spamatica_-_one_minute_jazz.ogg http://spamatica.se/music/spamatica/default/spamatica_-_xper1.5.ogg Created in reverse cronological order over a period of about half a year using mainly: linux, muse, soundfonts, ladspa plugins, more ladspa plugins, some gigs pod's, guitars, microphones, deformed ears and total lack of sense. For the genreholics out there I would put them in the following categories, top to bottom: spam-metal/ambient/blues/mono-metal/jazz/bluesfusion For more info about the songs and also older material see the site: http://spamatica.se/musicsite/ Regards, Robert -- http://spamatica.se/musicsite/ From dlphillips at woh.rr.com Wed Sep 13 17:06:42 2006 From: dlphillips at woh.rr.com (Dave Phillips) Date: Wed Sep 13 16:45:15 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Musix 0.59: new version In-Reply-To: <200609131513.35046.marcospcmusica@gmail.com> References: <200609130049.44297.marcospcmusica@gmail.com> <4507F9CB.4080907@woh.rr.com> <4507FEA5.1070307@woh.rr.com> <200609131513.35046.marcospcmusica@gmail.com> Message-ID: <450872E2.70102@woh.rr.com> Marcos Guglielmetti wrote: >Are you sure that your CD/DVD device works really fine? > > Yes, it works perfectly otherwise. >It would be to troublous (I mean "to bother") to burn it at 4x speed? > > I'm doing that now. I had forgotten how slow 4x is... :) Btw, when running it on my laptop I ran into a familiar problem. The audio/video chipset is a troublesome NM256. ALSA supplies a driver for it, but it's essentially a dummy driver and doesn't do anything. Is there an easy way to manually install a driver in Musix ? I know that the CS4232 driver works on this hardware. Best, dp From tech at glastonburymusic.org.uk Wed Sep 13 16:49:43 2006 From: tech at glastonburymusic.org.uk (tim hall) Date: Wed Sep 13 16:49:56 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Song (i.e. project) managers ? In-Reply-To: References: <20060908175154.0c8d8bf9@mistral.stie> <45062D8D.9050407@boosthardware.com> Message-ID: <200609132149.43828.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> On Tuesday 12 September 2006 10:38, Loki Davison was like: > Might not be anything to do with Dave, the docs were damn confusing > before Dave took over as well. Things are improving though, Nedko has > written python bindings so once you've got the handlers defined it's a > one line thing to add lash support to python apps. Guess some extra > docs and example wouldn't go astray though and some good user docs. Well, thanks for the lead in. Prior to this thread I was completely in the dark as to how to go about setting up a LASH session. More info about python bindings would be great. I'll try to remember to keep some useful notes as I explore further. -- cheers, tim hall http://glastonburymusic.org.uk/tim We are the people We've been waiting for. From rlrevell at joe-job.com Wed Sep 13 17:01:47 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Wed Sep 13 17:01:08 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Musix 0.59: new version In-Reply-To: <450872E2.70102@woh.rr.com> References: <200609130049.44297.marcospcmusica@gmail.com> <4507F9CB.4080907@woh.rr.com> <4507FEA5.1070307@woh.rr.com> <200609131513.35046.marcospcmusica@gmail.com> <450872E2.70102@woh.rr.com> Message-ID: <1158181308.7948.23.camel@mindpipe> On Wed, 2006-09-13 at 17:06 -0400, Dave Phillips wrote: > Btw, when running it on my laptop I ran into a familiar problem. The > audio/video chipset is a troublesome NM256. ALSA supplies a driver for > it, but it's essentially a dummy driver and doesn't do anything. Is > there an easy way to manually install a driver in Musix ? I know that > the CS4232 driver works on this hardware. The snd-nm256 driver should work with a recent ALSA version. What exactly is the problem with it? Lee From markknecht at gmail.com Wed Sep 13 17:44:11 2006 From: markknecht at gmail.com (Mark Knecht) Date: Wed Sep 13 17:44:18 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Musix GNU/Linux 0.59 released In-Reply-To: <4508674B.7040508@woh.rr.com> References: <200609061512.21793.marcospcmusica@gmail.com> <200609131450.59309.marcospcmusica@gmail.com> <45084E11.8080308@woh.rr.com> <200609131529.51029.marcospcmusica@gmail.com> <4508674B.7040508@woh.rr.com> Message-ID: <5bdc1c8b0609131444y4d17d59ek921144d799ba0e2e@mail.gmail.com> On 9/13/06, Dave Phillips wrote: > Hi Marcos: > > Ha, the discs I burned work when run on my laptop. :) I'll try burning > one at 4x and see if that will help for the desktop machine. > > Well, at least I now have a bunch of Musix discs to give to friends. :) > > Best, > > dp Dave, It may not be the speed, but try that first. Clearly the disc is good since it boots in the laptop. It may well be the media itself. I've run across certain CDRW spindles that don't work with certain CD/DVD drives of mine. I switch to a different spindle or media type and then things start working. If you're using silver, try gold, blue or black. That often works for me. For this reason I usually have 2 or 3 different spindles hanging around so I have the option. Cheers, MArk From marcospcmusica at gmail.com Wed Sep 13 13:03:21 2006 From: marcospcmusica at gmail.com (Marcos Guglielmetti) Date: Wed Sep 13 18:01:11 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Musix 0.59: new version In-Reply-To: <450872E2.70102@woh.rr.com> References: <200609130049.44297.marcospcmusica@gmail.com> <200609131513.35046.marcospcmusica@gmail.com> <450872E2.70102@woh.rr.com> Message-ID: <200609131903.21748.marcospcmusica@gmail.com> El Mi?rcoles, 13 de Septiembre de 2006 23:06, Dave Phillips escribi?: > Btw, when running it on my laptop I ran into a familiar problem. The > audio/video chipset is a troublesome NM256. ALSA supplies a driver for > it, but it's essentially a dummy driver and doesn't do anything. This: /lib/modules/2.6.16-beyond4.1/kernel/sound/pci/nm256/snd-nm256.ko > Is > there an easy way to manually install a driver in Musix ? Mmmm.... to build it? just get the source code and build it. There is an app called: module-assistant, I think it should be good for your situation > I know that > the CS4232 driver works on this hardware. If Musix is installed, I see /lib/modules/2.6.16-1-multimedia-486/updates/alsa/isa/cs423x/snd-cs4232.ko you can try with: modprobe snd-cs4232 If you are from the live-cd, i see: /lib/modules/2.6.16-beyond4.1/kernel/sound/oss/cs4232.ko you can try with: modprobe cs4232 It could work... -- Marcos Guglielmetti * Director del desarrollo de Musix GNU+Linux, 100% Software Libre * CD Donwload: (http://www.musix.org.ar/en/) (www.pc-musica.com.ar/musix) * Videos, programas y otras cosas en: ftp://musix.ourproject.org/pub/musix/ * Reporte de errores a: https://www.musix.org.ar/wiki/index.php?title=Problemas-Bugs *IRC: #musix channel on freenode From yves_p at nnx.com Wed Sep 13 18:34:52 2006 From: yves_p at nnx.com (Yves Potin) Date: Wed Sep 13 18:35:08 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [songs] songs /songs/ In-Reply-To: <200609132213.29872.rj@spamatica.se> References: <200609132213.29872.rj@spamatica.se> Message-ID: <20060913223452.GM2721@localhost> Le 13 Sep ? 22:13, Robert Jonsson ecrivait: > Been a while since I posted any songs. I was under the impression that I had > nothing created, looks like I did anyway ;)... > Anyway, here goes, diverse to the point of total lack of focus. Judge for > yourself. Hi Robert, nice tracks :). I enjoyed listening to them, especially dd3, what do you use for the drums ? They sounds really nice and natural. Maybe for Preludium to Armageddon I would have been waiting for a longer and wider developpement of the climate but if it's just a prelude... :). Thanks for sharing your work. Y. From jri at broadpark.no Wed Sep 13 18:45:36 2006 From: jri at broadpark.no (Johannes Mario Ringheim) Date: Wed Sep 13 18:45:51 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [songs] songs /songs/ In-Reply-To: <200609132213.29872.rj@spamatica.se> References: <200609132213.29872.rj@spamatica.se> Message-ID: <45088A10.8020408@broadpark.no> Robert Jonsson wrote: > http://spamatica.se/music/spamatica/default/spamatica_-_bloodsimple1.1.ogg > http://spamatica.se/music/spamatica/default/spamatica_-_preludium_to_armageddon1.0.ogg > http://spamatica.se/music/spamatica/default/spamatica_-_i_gotta_hand_it_to_you1.1.ogg > http://spamatica.se/music/spamatica/default/spamatica_-_ddb3.ogg > http://spamatica.se/music/spamatica/default/spamatica_-_one_minute_jazz.ogg > http://spamatica.se/music/spamatica/default/spamatica_-_xper1.5.ogg I like these a lot! Good sound quality, and with a nice Lee Ritenour feel... The metal ones are good too, perfect for a carchase scene ;) -- Ringheims Auto - Fri musikk for bilstereo! http://ringheimsauto.org From florin at andrei.myip.org Thu Sep 14 02:06:12 2006 From: florin at andrei.myip.org (Florin Andrei) Date: Thu Sep 14 02:07:17 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] tell ALSA to use secondary card (on USB) instead of primary Message-ID: <1158213972.2708.18.camel@dhcp-200.home.local> I've a nice headphone amp that's connected via USB (*) and it's essentially a second sound card in the system. With XMMS it's pretty easy to tell it to use the second "card": I go to Output Plugin / ALSA / Device settings / Audio device and I choose hw:2,0 Then I go to Device settings / Mixer card and choose USB Audio CODEC. But I'd like to use this "card" also for the Flash plugin in Firefox (wrapped in aoss), and for Xine. Ideally, I'd like all ALSA applications under this user account to use the USB amp instead of the primary card. I'm pretty sure there has to be a way to configure ALSA to direct all apps to the second card by default, but I can't seem to figure out how. Any suggestion is appreciated. (*) - It's actually Headroom's Total BitHead amp, bought together with a Sennheiser HD280 Pro in the "Back to School" package: http://www.headphone.com/products/packaged-systems/back-to-school-sealed.php The amp is based on the Burr-Brown PCM2902E chip which is compatible with a variety of OSes, including Linux/ALSA. The Senn cans are actually amazingly good, at least for the definition of "good" applicable to sealed phones; they sound pretty much like midrange / high end-ish open air phones, with the added benefit of the isolation provided by the closed back. -- Florin Andrei http://florin.myip.org/ From cladisch at fastmail.net Thu Sep 14 05:32:32 2006 From: cladisch at fastmail.net (Clemens Ladisch) Date: Thu Sep 14 05:32:39 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] tell ALSA to use secondary card (on USB) instead of primary In-Reply-To: <1158213972.2708.18.camel@dhcp-200.home.local> References: <1158213972.2708.18.camel@dhcp-200.home.local> Message-ID: <1158226352.29947.270906675@webmail.messagingengine.com> Florin Andrei wrote: > I'm pretty sure there has to be a way to configure ALSA to direct all > apps to the second card by default. Add the following line to your ~/.asoundrc or /etc/asound.conf: defaults.pcm.card 1 HTH Clemens From t_w_ at freenet.de Thu Sep 14 05:58:40 2006 From: t_w_ at freenet.de (Thorsten Wilms) Date: Thu Sep 14 06:00:49 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [songs] songs /songs/ In-Reply-To: <200609132213.29872.rj@spamatica.se> References: <200609132213.29872.rj@spamatica.se> Message-ID: <20060914095840.GA5438@charly.SWORD> On Wed, Sep 13, 2006 at 10:13:29PM +0200, Robert Jonsson wrote: > http://spamatica.se/music/spamatica/default/spamatica_-_bloodsimple1.1.ogg > http://spamatica.se/music/spamatica/default/spamatica_-_preludium_to_armageddon1.0.ogg > http://spamatica.se/music/spamatica/default/spamatica_-_i_gotta_hand_it_to_you1.1.ogg > http://spamatica.se/music/spamatica/default/spamatica_-_ddb3.ogg > http://spamatica.se/music/spamatica/default/spamatica_-_one_minute_jazz.ogg > http://spamatica.se/music/spamatica/default/spamatica_-_xper1.5.ogg While the jazz and preludium just arn't my thing, i consider the other 3 to be very well done :) I especialy like 'I gotta hand it to you'. Judging from my system here, there's EQing issues though. An overly strong high bass / low mid (I would guess somewhere between 250 and 400 Hz). It's the attack of the bass, mainly. -- Thorsten Wilms From karl at aspodata.se Thu Sep 14 07:52:09 2006 From: karl at aspodata.se (Karl Hammar) Date: Thu Sep 14 07:50:15 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] tell ALSA to use secondary card (on USB) instead of primary In-Reply-To: <1158226352.29947.270906675@webmail.messagingengine.com> References: <1158213972.2708.18.camel@dhcp-200.home.local> <1158226352.29947.270906675@webmail.messagingengine.com> Message-ID: <20060914115209.87FA9478C5@aspodata.se> cladisch@fastmail.net: > Florin Andrei wrote: > > I'm pretty sure there has to be a way to configure ALSA to direct all > > apps to the second card by default. > > Add the following line to your ~/.asoundrc or /etc/asound.conf: > > defaults.pcm.card 1 > > > HTH > Clemens For some reason, it doesn't work with alsamixer, amixer nor gamix. Ok with alsaplayer. Regards, /Karl ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Karl Hammar Asp? Data karl@aspodata.se Lilla Asp? 2340 Networks S-742 94 ?sthammar +46 173 140 57 Computers Sweden +46 70 511 97 84 Consulting ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From janina at rednote.net Thu Sep 14 10:41:22 2006 From: janina at rednote.net (Janina Sajka) Date: Thu Sep 14 10:41:36 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] sound recording application In-Reply-To: <20060912104040.4930c8e4.mdeboer@iua.upf.es> References: <200609071249.53669.lau@kudla.org> <1157648237.31541.175.camel@mindpipe> <1157657634.16186.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1157692698.15340.21.camel@gredesk> <20060908123459.GC9566@fliwatut.scifi> <20060909015642.e3beb437.mdeboer@iua.upf.edu> <20060912104040.4930c8e4.mdeboer@iua.upf.es> Message-ID: <20060914144122.GA30050@rednote.net> Maarten de Boer writes: > Frank, Kai, thanks for the clarifications! > > maarten > > Suggest you write a simple bash script that starts arecord with the params you want and writes to the file you want. Then, use the 'at' command to launch the script on a particular day at a particular time. -- Janina Sajka Phone: +1.202.595.7777 Partner, Capital Accessibility LLC http://CapitalAccessibility.Com Marketing the Owasys 22C talking screenless cell phone in the U.S. and Canada--Go to http://ScreenlessPhone.Com to learn more. Chair, Accessibility Workgroup Free Standards Group (FSG) janina@freestandards.org http://a11y.org From rlrevell at joe-job.com Thu Sep 14 11:02:54 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Thu Sep 14 11:02:08 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] tell ALSA to use secondary card (on USB) instead of primary In-Reply-To: <20060914115209.87FA9478C5@aspodata.se> References: <1158213972.2708.18.camel@dhcp-200.home.local> <1158226352.29947.270906675@webmail.messagingengine.com> <20060914115209.87FA9478C5@aspodata.se> Message-ID: <1158246175.7948.72.camel@mindpipe> On Thu, 2006-09-14 at 13:52 +0200, Karl Hammar wrote: > cladisch@fastmail.net: > > Florin Andrei wrote: > > > I'm pretty sure there has to be a way to configure ALSA to direct all > > > apps to the second card by default. > > > > Add the following line to your ~/.asoundrc or /etc/asound.conf: > > > > defaults.pcm.card 1 > > > > > > HTH > > Clemens > > For some reason, it doesn't work with alsamixer, amixer nor gamix. > Ok with alsaplayer. Because it only sets the default PCM, not the default mixer. Lee From christhemonkey at gmail.com Thu Sep 14 11:32:06 2006 From: christhemonkey at gmail.com (chris beagles) Date: Thu Sep 14 11:32:14 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] tell ALSA to use secondary card (on USB) instead of primary In-Reply-To: <1158246175.7948.72.camel@mindpipe> References: <1158213972.2708.18.camel@dhcp-200.home.local> <1158226352.29947.270906675@webmail.messagingengine.com> <20060914115209.87FA9478C5@aspodata.se> <1158246175.7948.72.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <79eea87e0609140832y38515314l98c24791d9ba36e@mail.gmail.com> On 9/14/06, Lee Revell wrote: > On Thu, 2006-09-14 at 13:52 +0200, Karl Hammar wrote: > > cladisch@fastmail.net: > > > Florin Andrei wrote: > > > > I'm pretty sure there has to be a way to configure ALSA to direct all > > > > apps to the second card by default. > > > > > > Add the following line to your ~/.asoundrc or /etc/asound.conf: > > > > > > defaults.pcm.card 1 > > > > > > > > > HTH > > > Clemens > > > > For some reason, it doesn't work with alsamixer, amixer nor gamix. > > Ok with alsaplayer. > > Because it only sets the default PCM, not the default mixer. > > Lee > > alsactl store 1 This will use the 2nd card in your system and store it as the default for your acount. (sudo alsactl store 1 to make it system wide) Chris From job17and9 at sbcglobal.net Thu Sep 14 12:36:37 2006 From: job17and9 at sbcglobal.net (Brian Dunn) Date: Thu Sep 14 12:37:43 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Jackd won't start after an acpi mem suspend. (cannot send/read request type 7 to server (broken pipe)) Message-ID: <45098515.7080404@sbcglobal.net> If I leave jackd running and hibernate-mem my laptop, when i wake it up jackd has quit and will not start again without a reboot. This occurs 100% of the time. If i shut down jack before suspending, it will start normally when i wake the machine up. I'm working on a scriptlet to be run by the hibernate scripts that will check to see if jackd is running and kill it before suspend. But that's turned out to be some challenging bash-ing indeed, and so i'm wondering if there is anything i can do to get jackd to start without having to reboot, in the meantime. ( like, manually fixing the broken pipe? ) And also, btw, what is a signal 7? Here is what pops up in the message window of qjackctl. I noticed that jackd starts, but then the "watchdog thread" kills it. 11:21:03.630 /usr/bin/jackd -R -dalsa -dhw:0 -r44100 -p2048 -n3 -S 11:21:03.664 JACK was started with PID=19379 (0x4bb3). jackd 0.101.1 Copyright 2001-2005 Paul Davis and others. jackd comes with ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY This is free software, and you are welcome to redistribute it under certain conditions; see the file COPYING for details JACK compiled with System V SHM support. loading driver .. No supported SIMD instruction sets detected apparent rate = 44100 creating alsa driver ... hw:0|hw:0|2048|3|44100|0|0|nomon|swmeter|-|16bit control device hw:0 configuring for 44100Hz, period = 2048 frames, buffer = 3 periods nperiods = 3 for capture nperiods = 3 for playback 11:21:05.682 Server configuration saved to "/home/brian/.jackdrc". 11:21:05.683 Statistics reset. 11:21:05.689 Client activated. 11:21:05.690 Audio connection change. 11:21:05.692 Audio connection graph change. No supported SIMD instruction sets detected 11:21:05.892 Audio active patchbay scan... jackd watchdog: timeout - killing jackd zombified - calling shutdown handler 11:21:09.405 Shutdown notification. 11:21:09.406 Client deactivated. 11:21:09.407 JACK was stopped successfully. cannot send request type 7 to server cannot read result for request type 7 from server (Broken pipe) cannot send request type 7 to server cannot read result for request type 7 from server (Broken pipe) thanks guys. From linux4michelle at freenet.de Wed Sep 13 11:10:41 2006 From: linux4michelle at freenet.de (Michelle Konzack) Date: Thu Sep 14 12:56:41 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Ardour's size is out of the screen and can not resized Message-ID: <9XJEmD.A.fm.1mYCFB@t1950ct.private> Hello *, I have recently installed Ardour (Using Debian) but the window frames are outside of the screen (Ident show me, that it has a width of 1063 pixel and can not be sized smaller. Please can you correct this, tha the startsize IS not bigger a thze actual screen? I have the problem with ardour-gtk: Installiert:0.9beta28-1 M?gliche Pakete:0.9beta28-1 Versions-Tabelle: *** 0.9beta28-1 0 200 http://sarge.debian.tamay-dogan.net sarge/main Packages 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status and the versions of Etch and Sid. (I have gotten curently no reponse from the Debian Maintainer of Ardour) Greetings Michelle Konzack Systemadministrator Tamay Dogan Network Debian GNU/Linux Consultant -- Linux-User #280138 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org/ ##################### Debian GNU/Linux Consultant ##################### Michelle Konzack Apt. 917 ICQ #328449886 50, rue de Soultz MSM LinuxMichi 0033/6/61925193 67100 Strasbourg/France IRC #Debian (irc.icq.com) From karl at aspodata.se Thu Sep 14 12:07:57 2006 From: karl at aspodata.se (Karl Hammar) Date: Thu Sep 14 12:58:27 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] tell ALSA to use secondary card (on USB) instead of primary In-Reply-To: <1158246175.7948.72.camel@mindpipe> References: <1158213972.2708.18.camel@dhcp-200.home.local> <1158226352.29947.270906675@webmail.messagingengine.com> <20060914115209.87FA9478C5@aspodata.se> <1158246175.7948.72.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <20060914160757.4F085478C5@aspodata.se> > On Thu, 2006-09-14 at 13:52 +0200, Karl Hammar wrote: > > cladisch@fastmail.net: > > > Florin Andrei wrote: > > > > I'm pretty sure there has to be a way to configure ALSA to direct all > > > > apps to the second card by default. > > > > > > Add the following line to your ~/.asoundrc or /etc/asound.conf: > > > > > > defaults.pcm.card 1 > > > > > > > > > HTH > > > Clemens > > > > For some reason, it doesn't work with alsamixer, amixer nor gamix. > > Ok with alsaplayer. > > Because it only sets the default PCM, not the default mixer. > > Lee > Hmm, got it. defaults.ctl.card 1 works. /Karl From florin at andrei.myip.org Thu Sep 14 13:45:43 2006 From: florin at andrei.myip.org (Florin Andrei) Date: Thu Sep 14 13:46:10 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] tell ALSA to use secondary card (on USB) instead of primary In-Reply-To: <1158213972.2708.18.camel@dhcp-200.home.local> References: <1158213972.2708.18.camel@dhcp-200.home.local> Message-ID: <1158255943.8773.0.camel@stantz.corp.sgi.com> On Wed, 2006-09-13 at 23:06 -0700, Florin Andrei wrote: > But I'd like to use this "card" also for the Flash plugin in Firefox > (wrapped in aoss), and for Xine. Ideally, I'd like all ALSA applications > under this user account to use the USB amp instead of the primary card. > > I'm pretty sure there has to be a way to configure ALSA to direct all > apps to the second card by default, but I can't seem to figure out how. > Any suggestion is appreciated. Thanks everyone! I created this file and everything works just fine now: $ cat ~/.asoundrc defaults.pcm.card 1 defaults.ctl.card 1 -- Florin Andrei http://florin.myip.org/ From rj at spamatica.se Thu Sep 14 13:58:53 2006 From: rj at spamatica.se (Robert Jonsson) Date: Thu Sep 14 13:57:41 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [songs] songs /songs/ In-Reply-To: <20060913223452.GM2721@localhost> References: <200609132213.29872.rj@spamatica.se> <20060913223452.GM2721@localhost> Message-ID: <200609141958.53884.rj@spamatica.se> Hi, On Thursday 14 September 2006 00:34, Yves Potin wrote: > Le 13 Sep ? 22:13, Robert Jonsson ecrivait: > > Been a while since I posted any songs. I was under the impression that I > > had nothing created, looks like I did anyway ;)... > > Anyway, here goes, diverse to the point of total lack of focus. Judge for > > yourself. > > Hi Robert, nice tracks :). > I enjoyed listening to them, especially dd3, what do you use for > the drums ? They sounds really nice and natural. Are you sure ddb3 aka "Digital dark age blues" aka "The one note song" is the one? The drums in that one are quite heavily tweaked with effects.. natural was not what I was aiming for anyway ;-) > Maybe for Preludium to Armageddon I would have been waiting for a > longer and wider developpement of the climate but if it's just a > prelude... :). Indeed. It was created in a very short time and I felt a need to continue it, hence the name is partially implying this (partially it just sounds cool ;). Thanks for listening, Robert > Thanks for sharing your work. > > Y. -- http://spamatica.se/musicsite/ From rj at spamatica.se Thu Sep 14 14:03:44 2006 From: rj at spamatica.se (Robert Jonsson) Date: Thu Sep 14 14:02:24 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [songs] songs /songs/ In-Reply-To: <45088A10.8020408@broadpark.no> References: <200609132213.29872.rj@spamatica.se> <45088A10.8020408@broadpark.no> Message-ID: <200609142003.45043.rj@spamatica.se> On Thursday 14 September 2006 00:45, Johannes Mario Ringheim wrote: > Robert Jonsson wrote: > > http://spamatica.se/music/spamatica/default/spamatica_-_bloodsimple1.1.og > >g > > http://spamatica.se/music/spamatica/default/spamatica_-_preludium_to_arma > >geddon1.0.ogg > > http://spamatica.se/music/spamatica/default/spamatica_-_i_gotta_hand_it_t > >o_you1.1.ogg > > http://spamatica.se/music/spamatica/default/spamatica_-_ddb3.ogg > > http://spamatica.se/music/spamatica/default/spamatica_-_one_minute_jazz.o > >gg http://spamatica.se/music/spamatica/default/spamatica_-_xper1.5.ogg > > I like these a lot! Good sound quality, and with a nice Lee Ritenour Oh, never really tuned in to him, may have to take a listen. As for the sound quality, listening on a good stereo, or headphones does reveal plenty of problems with the mix/mastering that I'm slowly trying to learn how to deal with. Though I'm just a happy, impatient amateur so it's a long walk ;) > feel... The metal ones are good too, perfect for a carchase scene ;) Hehe. Oh the joy to get to make videos!... /Robert -- http://spamatica.se/musicsite/ From rj at spamatica.se Thu Sep 14 14:16:42 2006 From: rj at spamatica.se (Robert Jonsson) Date: Thu Sep 14 14:15:21 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [songs] songs /songs/ In-Reply-To: <20060914095840.GA5438@charly.SWORD> References: <200609132213.29872.rj@spamatica.se> <20060914095840.GA5438@charly.SWORD> Message-ID: <200609142016.43319.rj@spamatica.se> On Thursday 14 September 2006 11:58, Thorsten Wilms wrote: > On Wed, Sep 13, 2006 at 10:13:29PM +0200, Robert Jonsson wrote: > > http://spamatica.se/music/spamatica/default/spamatica_-_bloodsimple1.1.og > >g > > http://spamatica.se/music/spamatica/default/spamatica_-_preludium_to_arma > >geddon1.0.ogg > > http://spamatica.se/music/spamatica/default/spamatica_-_i_gotta_hand_it_t > >o_you1.1.ogg > > http://spamatica.se/music/spamatica/default/spamatica_-_ddb3.ogg > > http://spamatica.se/music/spamatica/default/spamatica_-_one_minute_jazz.o > >gg http://spamatica.se/music/spamatica/default/spamatica_-_xper1.5.ogg > > While the jazz and preludium just arn't my thing, Mmm :) The jazz thingy is more or less a joke (hope I don't make to may enemies by saying this), it's somekind of proof that experimental jazz is not music. ;-P It was created in 15 minutes using some nice midi instruments and just (nearly randomly) hitting keys on the keyboard cutting and pasting just a tad and adding a hihat beat. Not that I don't like this kind of music, I very much like EST for instance, but it's a thin line. > i consider the other > 3 to be very well done :) > I especialy like 'I gotta hand it to you'. Thanks, I had the rhodes and the bass line lying around for a long time until I finally managed to make something I quite liked out of it. > > Judging from my system here, there's EQing issues though. > An overly strong high bass / low mid (I would guess somewhere between > 250 and 400 Hz). It's the attack of the bass, mainly. Good info! I often can tell that something isn't right but am having a harder time trying to pinpoint exactly what the problem is. I'll check it. Regards, Robert > > > -- > Thorsten Wilms -- http://spamatica.se/musicsite/ From st at tobiah.org Thu Sep 14 14:56:06 2006 From: st at tobiah.org (st) Date: Thu Sep 14 14:56:27 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Ardour's size is out of the screen and can not resized In-Reply-To: <9XJEmD.A.fm.1mYCFB@t1950ct.private> References: <9XJEmD.A.fm.1mYCFB@t1950ct.private> Message-ID: <4509A5C6.6010100@tobiah.org> Michelle Konzack wrote: > Hello *, > > I have recently installed Ardour (Using Debian) but the window > frames are outside of the screen (Ident show me, that it has a > width of 1063 pixel and can not be sized smaller. Please can > you correct this, tha the startsize IS not bigger a thze actual > screen? I would go along with a 1000 pixel minimum app width standard, which would add a bit of room for fancy window borders on a 1024x768 screen. I don't have much sympathy anymore for users that can't do better than 800x600 though. I'm getting 2048x1536 at 75Hz (had to brag). From fons.adriaensen at skynet.be Thu Sep 14 15:06:45 2006 From: fons.adriaensen at skynet.be (Fons Adriaensen) Date: Thu Sep 14 15:05:22 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [songs] songs /songs/ In-Reply-To: <200609142016.43319.rj@spamatica.se> References: <200609132213.29872.rj@spamatica.se> <20060914095840.GA5438@charly.SWORD> <200609142016.43319.rj@spamatica.se> Message-ID: <20060914190645.GC5924@linux-1.site> On Thu, Sep 14, 2006 at 08:16:42PM +0200, Robert Jonsson wrote: > > Judging from my system here, there's EQing issues though. > > An overly strong high bass / low mid (I would guess somewhere between > > 250 and 400 Hz). It's the attack of the bass, mainly. > > Good info! I often can tell that something isn't right but am having a harder > time trying to pinpoint exactly what the problem is. > I'll check it. I listened to "I gotta.." and "ddb3" here, and don't hear any such problem. Checking with JAPA, there's certainly no excess energy in the 250 to 400 Hz range. The bass in "I gotta..." is between 80 and 160 Hz (and in the 'one note song' it's actually one those two frequencies all the time :-) But I missed some HF energy, there's a sharp drop-off above 3.5 kHz. -- FA Lascia la spina, cogli la rosa. From redfox at 99b.org Thu Sep 14 15:09:10 2006 From: redfox at 99b.org (Chris Abbott) Date: Thu Sep 14 15:09:27 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [songs] songs /songs/ In-Reply-To: <200609142016.43319.rj@spamatica.se> References: <200609132213.29872.rj@spamatica.se> <20060914095840.GA5438@charly.SWORD> <200609142016.43319.rj@spamatica.se> Message-ID: <4509A8D6.80907@99b.org> Robert Jonsson wrote: > On Thursday 14 September 2006 11:58, Thorsten Wilms wrote: > >> On Wed, Sep 13, 2006 at 10:13:29PM +0200, Robert Jonsson wrote: >> >>> http://spamatica.se/music/spamatica/default/spamatica_-_bloodsimple1.1.og >>> g >>> http://spamatica.se/music/spamatica/default/spamatica_-_preludium_to_arma >>> geddon1.0.ogg >>> http://spamatica.se/music/spamatica/default/spamatica_-_i_gotta_hand_it_t >>> o_you1.1.ogg >>> http://spamatica.se/music/spamatica/default/spamatica_-_ddb3.ogg >>> http://spamatica.se/music/spamatica/default/spamatica_-_one_minute_jazz.o >>> gg http://spamatica.se/music/spamatica/default/spamatica_-_xper1.5.ogg >>> >> While the jazz and preludium just arn't my thing, >> > > Mmm :) The jazz thingy is more or less a joke (hope I don't make to may > enemies by saying this), it's somekind of proof that experimental jazz is not > music. ;-P > It was created in 15 minutes using some nice midi instruments and just (nearly > randomly) hitting keys on the keyboard cutting and pasting just a tad and > adding a hihat beat. > > Not that I don't like this kind of music, I very much like EST for instance, > but it's a thin line. > > >> i consider the other >> 3 to be very well done :) >> I especialy like 'I gotta hand it to you'. >> > > Thanks, I had the rhodes and the bass line lying around for a long time until > I finally managed to make something I quite liked out of it. > > >> Judging from my system here, there's EQing issues though. >> An overly strong high bass / low mid (I would guess somewhere between >> 250 and 400 Hz). It's the attack of the bass, mainly. >> > > When I listened to Bloodsimple and ddb3, I heard what sounded like overkill at about 140-160Hz. Jaaa shows it peaking the highest out of everything. Of course, this isn't too bad, but it overpowers everything else. Other than that, you may want to bring the guitar solo out some in ddb3, but that's my preference. Once you have the tracks balanced out right, you may want to export the files as flac, or go wav--->flac. This way you can make EQ and other edits to the full song, if needed and not worry about quality loss. Hope this helps -Chris > Good info! I often can tell that something isn't right but am having a harder > time trying to pinpoint exactly what the problem is. > I'll check it. > > Regards, > Robert > > >> -- >> Thorsten Wilms >> > > From redfox at 99b.org Thu Sep 14 15:15:13 2006 From: redfox at 99b.org (Chris Abbott) Date: Thu Sep 14 15:15:22 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [songs] songs /songs/ In-Reply-To: <20060914190645.GC5924@linux-1.site> References: <200609132213.29872.rj@spamatica.se> <20060914095840.GA5438@charly.SWORD> <200609142016.43319.rj@spamatica.se> <20060914190645.GC5924@linux-1.site> Message-ID: <4509AA41.9010606@99b.org> Fons Adriaensen wrote: > On Thu, Sep 14, 2006 at 08:16:42PM +0200, Robert Jonsson wrote: > > >>> Judging from my system here, there's EQing issues though. >>> An overly strong high bass / low mid (I would guess somewhere between >>> 250 and 400 Hz). It's the attack of the bass, mainly. >>> >> Good info! I often can tell that something isn't right but am having a harder >> time trying to pinpoint exactly what the problem is. >> I'll check it. >> > > I listened to "I gotta.." and "ddb3" here, and don't hear any such problem. > Checking with JAPA, there's certainly no excess energy in the 250 to 400 Hz > range. The bass in "I gotta..." is between 80 and 160 Hz (and in the 'one > note song' it's actually one those two frequencies all the time :-) > But I missed some HF energy, there's a sharp drop-off above 3.5 kHz. > > Yeah, jaaa shows about the same here, just with a more gradual slope. Also, does any else notice a signal crackle in the beginning of the songs? -Chris From cezar at mixandgo.ro Thu Sep 14 15:26:13 2006 From: cezar at mixandgo.ro (Cezar) Date: Thu Sep 14 15:26:11 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] RME Multiface II / Cardbus in Gentoo Message-ID: <87lkom8d2i.fsf@mixandgo.ro> Anyone using RME Multiface II / Cardbus in Gentoo ? I have a Compaq Presario R3000 amd64 and It doesnt see my RME card. Ubuntu can seee it tho on the same machine. I am using alsa-driver not alsa from kernel. Regards, Cezar From redfox at 99b.org Thu Sep 14 15:44:42 2006 From: redfox at 99b.org (Chris Abbott) Date: Thu Sep 14 15:44:56 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] RME Multiface II / Cardbus in Gentoo In-Reply-To: <87lkom8d2i.fsf@mixandgo.ro> References: <87lkom8d2i.fsf@mixandgo.ro> Message-ID: <4509B12A.7050109@99b.org> Try the kernel module. I'm pretty sure ubuntu uses kernel modules for alsa. Also, have you checked the Gentoo Forums? -Chris Cezar wrote: > Anyone using RME Multiface II / Cardbus in Gentoo ? > > I have a Compaq Presario R3000 amd64 and It doesnt see my RME card. Ubuntu can seee it tho on the same machine. I am using alsa-driver not alsa from kernel. > > Regards, > Cezar > > From folderol at ukfsn.org Thu Sep 14 16:13:59 2006 From: folderol at ukfsn.org (Folderol) Date: Thu Sep 14 16:14:11 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [songs] songs /songs/ In-Reply-To: <200609132213.29872.rj@spamatica.se> References: <200609132213.29872.rj@spamatica.se> Message-ID: <20060914211359.0e9c58fa@localhost> On Wed, 13 Sep 2006 22:13:29 +0200 Robert Jonsson wrote: > Hey folks, > > Been a while since I posted any songs. I was under the impression that I had > nothing created, looks like I did anyway ;)... > Anyway, here goes, diverse to the point of total lack of focus. Judge for > yourself. > > http://spamatica.se/music/spamatica/default/spamatica_-_bloodsimple1.1.ogg > http://spamatica.se/music/spamatica/default/spamatica_-_preludium_to_armageddon1.0.ogg > http://spamatica.se/music/spamatica/default/spamatica_-_i_gotta_hand_it_to_you1.1.ogg > http://spamatica.se/music/spamatica/default/spamatica_-_ddb3.ogg > http://spamatica.se/music/spamatica/default/spamatica_-_one_minute_jazz.ogg > http://spamatica.se/music/spamatica/default/spamatica_-_xper1.5.ogg > > Created in reverse cronological order over a period of about half a year using > mainly: > linux, muse, soundfonts, ladspa plugins, more ladspa plugins, some gigs > pod's, guitars, microphones, deformed ears and total lack of sense. > > For the genreholics out there I would put them in the following categories, > top to bottom: spam-metal/ambient/blues/mono-metal/jazz/bluesfusion > > For more info about the songs and also older material see the site: > http://spamatica.se/musicsite/ > > Regards, > Robert This isn't really my sort of music, but I played it to a friend and she was *very* enthusiastic over ddb3 ... and that's what it's all about really isn't it? -- Will J G From cave.dnb at tiscali.fr Thu Sep 14 16:36:50 2006 From: cave.dnb at tiscali.fr (Nigel Henry) Date: Thu Sep 14 16:37:09 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [songs] songs /songs/ In-Reply-To: <200609132213.29872.rj@spamatica.se> References: <200609132213.29872.rj@spamatica.se> Message-ID: <200609142236.50867.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> On Wednesday 13 September 2006 22:13, Robert Jonsson wrote: > Hey folks, > > Been a while since I posted any songs. I was under the impression that I > had nothing created, looks like I did anyway ;)... > Anyway, here goes, diverse to the point of total lack of focus. Judge for > yourself. > > http://spamatica.se/music/spamatica/default/spamatica_-_bloodsimple1.1.ogg > http://spamatica.se/music/spamatica/default/spamatica_-_preludium_to_armage >ddon1.0.ogg > http://spamatica.se/music/spamatica/default/spamatica_-_i_gotta_hand_it_to_ >you1.1.ogg http://spamatica.se/music/spamatica/default/spamatica_-_ddb3.ogg > http://spamatica.se/music/spamatica/default/spamatica_-_one_minute_jazz.ogg > http://spamatica.se/music/spamatica/default/spamatica_-_xper1.5.ogg > > Created in reverse cronological order over a period of about half a year > using mainly: > linux, muse, soundfonts, ladspa plugins, more ladspa plugins, some gigs > pod's, guitars, microphones, deformed ears and total lack of sense. > > For the genreholics out there I would put them in the following categories, > top to bottom: spam-metal/ambient/blues/mono-metal/jazz/bluesfusion > > For more info about the songs and also older material see the site: > http://spamatica.se/musicsite/ > > Regards, > Robert Hi Robert. I have to admit that I've been more into Trance, and DnB in recent years, but I like Jazz, and especially the Blues. I gotta hand it to you is a really nice track, and reminded me of Robert Cray's stuff. The last, or is it the first track "xper" is ok, but I think it could do with some bits of vocal in it. Not a lot, but just a bit here and there. Hey man, they all sound just fine. A darned sight better than I could do. I just play the decks now and again using someone elses tunes. Nigel. From juuso.alasuutari at tamperelainen.org Thu Sep 14 17:16:04 2006 From: juuso.alasuutari at tamperelainen.org (juuso.alasuutari@tamperelainen.org) Date: Thu Sep 14 17:13:09 2006 Subject: VST in MusE (was: Re: [linux-audio-user] Muse 0.8.1-r1 with GCC 4.1) In-Reply-To: <1158176663.45085f97d2798@cs1.alpha12.l-secure.net> References: <20060911150113.GD2721@localhost> <45066E49.30109@arcor.de> <20060913070301.GL2721@localhost> <200609131821.09934.rj@spamatica.se> <1158176663.45085f97d2798@cs1.alpha12.l-secure.net> Message-ID: <1158268564.4509c694acc17@cs1.alpha12.l-secure.net> Quoting juuso.alasuutari@tamperelainen.org: > I asked about this same issue on lmuse-user a while ago [0] (got no replies, > though). I understood from my attempts that MusE needs fst <= 1.6, and > fst-1.6 > needs Wine's libwine_unicode.so library. The tricky part is that in recent > Wine > releases it has been merged with libwine.so. I can't remember if I tried to > change all mentions of libwine_unicode to libwine in the fst sources. Maybe I > could see if that helps. Update: Apparently there are also other changes in Wine apart from what I mentioned which prohibit fst-1.6 from compiling. I replaced libwine_unicode.so with libwine.so and ran make. Here's what it eventually spat out: make[1]: Entering directory `/usr/src/fst-1.6/fst' LD_LIBRARY_PATH=":$LD_LIBRARY_PATH" /usr/bin/winebuild -fPIC -o libfst.spec.c --exe libfst -mgui pthread.o interlocked.o gettid.o libwinelib.o vstwin.o fstinfofile.o fst.o -L/usr/lib/wine -L/usr/lib/wine -ladvapi32 -lcomdlg32 -lgdi32 -lkernel32 -lodbc32 -lole32 -loleaut32 -lshell32 -luser32 -lwinspool winebuild: executable must be named via the -F option make[1]: *** [libfst.spec.c] Error 1 make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/fst-1.6/fst' make: *** [fst] Error 2 Juuso ---------------------------------------------------------------- This mail sent through L-secure: http://www.l-secure.net/ From cezar at mixandgo.ro Thu Sep 14 17:14:13 2006 From: cezar at mixandgo.ro (Cezar) Date: Thu Sep 14 17:14:32 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] RME Multiface II / Cardbus in Gentoo In-Reply-To: <4509B12A.7050109@99b.org> (Chris Abbott's message of "Thu, 14 Sep 2006 14:44:42 -0500") References: <87lkom8d2i.fsf@mixandgo.ro> <4509B12A.7050109@99b.org> Message-ID: <87ac522lsq.fsf@mixandgo.ro> I've also tied the ones in the kernel ! Same happens. No RME found ! cat /proc/asound/cards show only the onboard Nvdia nForce3 card. Regards, Cezar Chris Abbott writes: > Try the kernel module. I'm pretty sure ubuntu uses kernel modules for > alsa. Also, have you checked the Gentoo Forums? > > -Chris > > Cezar wrote: >> Anyone using RME Multiface II / Cardbus in Gentoo ? >> >> I have a Compaq Presario R3000 amd64 and It doesnt see my RME card. Ubuntu can seee it tho on the same machine. I am using alsa-driver not alsa from kernel. >> >> Regards, >> Cezar >> >> From rhkramer at gmail.com Thu Sep 14 17:28:37 2006 From: rhkramer at gmail.com (Randy Kramer) Date: Thu Sep 14 17:32:55 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Ardour's size is out of the screen and can =?iso-8859-1?q?not=09resized?= In-Reply-To: <4509A5C6.6010100@tobiah.org> References: <9XJEmD.A.fm.1mYCFB@t1950ct.private> <4509A5C6.6010100@tobiah.org> Message-ID: <200609141728.37759.rhkramer@gmail.com> On Thursday 14 September 2006 02:56 pm, st wrote: > Michelle Konzack wrote: > > Hello *, > > > > I have recently installed Ardour (Using Debian) but the window > > frames are outside of the screen (Ident show me, that it has a > > width of 1063 pixel and can not be sized smaller. Please can > > you correct this, tha the startsize IS not bigger a thze actual > > screen? > > I would go along with a 1000 pixel minimum app width standard, which > would add a bit of room for fancy window borders on a 1024x768 screen. > I don't have much sympathy anymore for users that can't do better than > 800x600 though. I'm getting 2048x1536 at 75Hz (had to brag). I mentioned the trick on another (iirc) mailing list not long ago--it at least makes the situation bearable. (Hold down , right click anywhere in a window (the cursor changes to a cross with arrowheads) and move the window as necessary to access any part of it you can't see. Another reason I'm replying is to mention that a lot of people (especially us older types) still use 800x600 (or 640x480) because of our older eyes. Randy Kramer From fons.adriaensen at skynet.be Thu Sep 14 17:40:36 2006 From: fons.adriaensen at skynet.be (Fons Adriaensen) Date: Thu Sep 14 17:39:03 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [songs] songs /songs/ In-Reply-To: <4509A8D6.80907@99b.org> References: <200609132213.29872.rj@spamatica.se> <20060914095840.GA5438@charly.SWORD> <200609142016.43319.rj@spamatica.se> <4509A8D6.80907@99b.org> Message-ID: <20060914214036.GD5924@linux-1.site> On Thu, Sep 14, 2006 at 02:09:10PM -0500, Chris Abbott wrote: > When I listened to Bloodsimple and ddb3, I heard what sounded like > overkill at about 140-160Hz. Jaaa shows it peaking the highest out of > everything. JAAA has constant bandwidth over the entire frequency range, and will show a 'bass heavy' spectrum for almost all music. JAPA will give you a better idea as its 'analysis filters' match those of human hearing. -- FA Lascia la spina, cogli la rosa. From zettberlin at linuxuse.de Thu Sep 14 18:13:14 2006 From: zettberlin at linuxuse.de (Hartmut Noack) Date: Thu Sep 14 18:12:41 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [songs] songs /songs/ In-Reply-To: <200609132213.29872.rj@spamatica.se> References: <200609132213.29872.rj@spamatica.se> Message-ID: <4509D3FA.4020008@linuxuse.de> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hey Robert, i am stunned!! You really have created something extremely rare: a sound that is recognizable within a few seconds without hearing the voice - fullgrown awsome - compliments to the chef etc etc etc... Robert Jonsson schrieb: > http://spamatica.se/music/spamatica/default/spamatica_-_bloodsimple1.1.ogg > http://spamatica.se/music/spamatica/default/spamatica_-_preludium_to_armageddon1.0.ogg good stuff, has got some simple but powerfull edges maybe the pianotheme could need some more polish (regarding the music, the sound is OK) > http://spamatica.se/music/spamatica/default/spamatica_-_i_gotta_hand_it_to_you1.1.ogg nice sound, good swing, good work yet i dislike the style of the singing a bit. But the vibrogit and the overall guitsound is fine. > http://spamatica.se/music/spamatica/default/spamatica_-_ddb3.ogg absolutely outstanding, here i am, i confess envy ;-) > http://spamatica.se/music/spamatica/default/spamatica_-_one_minute_jazz.ogg 60ies Miles eh? Like that too > http://spamatica.se/music/spamatica/default/spamatica_-_xper1.5.ogg the guitarsolo could have some more in-the-face force for my taste, its a mix-thing... Well well, good muse can do such stuff. BTW, when, do you think, we can hope for a new release - something like muse 0.9 ?? ;-) best regards Z -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFFCdP51Aecwva1SWMRAiy5AJ437cc0gp3AFiXUVopscjVbJbjKiQCeI5gx PgM4iRb1eW4VSUtxlZ10dT8= =E/KP -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From gateswideopen at gmail.com Thu Sep 14 18:24:37 2006 From: gateswideopen at gmail.com (we are) Date: Thu Sep 14 18:24:45 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] RME Multiface II / Cardbus in Gentoo In-Reply-To: <87ac522lsq.fsf@mixandgo.ro> References: <87lkom8d2i.fsf@mixandgo.ro> <4509B12A.7050109@99b.org> <87ac522lsq.fsf@mixandgo.ro> Message-ID: <5969dc560609141524k5bb29b60p29a24bfa673a226b@mail.gmail.com> i had a similar problem with my RME/Gentoo setup while i was learning how to use it. this may not help as you may already be aware but... make sure you are only using the kernel ALSA and modules, OR the uncheck it in the kernel and install via portage. Not both. took me a while to iron that one out. On 9/15/06, Cezar wrote: > > I've also tied the ones in the kernel ! Same happens. > No RME found ! cat /proc/asound/cards show only the onboard > Nvdia nForce3 card. > > Regards, > Cezar > > Chris Abbott writes: > > > Try the kernel module. I'm pretty sure ubuntu uses kernel modules for > > alsa. Also, have you checked the Gentoo Forums? > > > > -Chris > > > > Cezar wrote: > >> Anyone using RME Multiface II / Cardbus in Gentoo ? > >> > >> I have a Compaq Presario R3000 amd64 and It doesnt see my RME card. > Ubuntu can seee it tho on the same machine. I am using alsa-driver not alsa > from kernel. > >> > >> Regards, > >> Cezar > >> > >> > From st at tobiah.org Thu Sep 14 18:35:42 2006 From: st at tobiah.org (st) Date: Thu Sep 14 18:36:01 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Ardour's size is out of the screen and can not resized In-Reply-To: <200609141728.37759.rhkramer@gmail.com> References: <9XJEmD.A.fm.1mYCFB@t1950ct.private> <4509A5C6.6010100@tobiah.org> <200609141728.37759.rhkramer@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4509D93E.1090306@tobiah.org> > Another reason I'm replying is to mention that a lot of people (especially us > older types) still use 800x600 (or 640x480) because of our older eyes. Good point. I'm usually able to ease my eyes on a high res display by making the fonts larger, and configuring the window manager to use larger features. I end up with a much nicer looking display with smoother fonts etc. I haven't run ardour since reading this thread, but it does seem a bit odd that it has such a large minimum size. If people want to run 640x480 and scroll around to find the different parts of the program, I guess they ought to be able to do that. From cezar at mixandgo.ro Fri Sep 15 03:32:04 2006 From: cezar at mixandgo.ro (Cezar) Date: Fri Sep 15 03:32:21 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] RME Multiface II / Cardbus in Gentoo In-Reply-To: <5969dc560609141524k5bb29b60p29a24bfa673a226b@mail.gmail.com> (we are's message of "Fri, 15 Sep 2006 08:24:37 +1000") References: <87lkom8d2i.fsf@mixandgo.ro> <4509B12A.7050109@99b.org> <87ac522lsq.fsf@mixandgo.ro> <5969dc560609141524k5bb29b60p29a24bfa673a226b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <871wqd37rf.fsf@mixandgo.ro> I know that, thats what Gentoo alsa Wiki says, but I've tryed both ways, kernel and from portage and neither works. "we are" writes: > i had a similar problem with my RME/Gentoo setup while i was learning > how to use it. this may not help as you may already be aware but... > make sure you are only using the kernel ALSA and modules, OR the > uncheck it in the kernel and install via portage. > > Not both. took me a while to iron that one out. > > > On 9/15/06, Cezar wrote: >> >> I've also tied the ones in the kernel ! Same happens. >> No RME found ! cat /proc/asound/cards show only the onboard >> Nvdia nForce3 card. >> >> Regards, >> Cezar >> >> Chris Abbott writes: >> >> > Try the kernel module. I'm pretty sure ubuntu uses kernel modules for >> > alsa. Also, have you checked the Gentoo Forums? >> > >> > -Chris >> > >> > Cezar wrote: >> >> Anyone using RME Multiface II / Cardbus in Gentoo ? >> >> >> >> I have a Compaq Presario R3000 amd64 and It doesnt see my RME card. >> Ubuntu can seee it tho on the same machine. I am using alsa-driver not alsa >> from kernel. >> >> >> >> Regards, >> >> Cezar >> >> >> >> >> From nescivi at gmail.com Fri Sep 15 06:48:53 2006 From: nescivi at gmail.com (nescivi) Date: Fri Sep 15 06:49:06 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] RME Multiface II / Cardbus in Gentoo In-Reply-To: <87lkom8d2i.fsf@mixandgo.ro> References: <87lkom8d2i.fsf@mixandgo.ro> Message-ID: <200609151248.53483.nescivi@gmail.com> On Thursday 14 September 2006 21:26, Cezar wrote: > Anyone using RME Multiface II / Cardbus in Gentoo ? > > I have a Compaq Presario R3000 amd64 and It doesnt see my RME card. Ubuntu > can seee it tho on the same machine. I am using alsa-driver not alsa from > kernel. does it see the card at all? with something like lspci? maybe the problem is one layer lower, and somehow on gentoo there is something wrong with the pcmcia configuration? sincerely, marije From dsbaikov at gmail.com Fri Sep 15 07:08:58 2006 From: dsbaikov at gmail.com (Dmitry Baikov) Date: Fri Sep 15 07:09:11 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] RME Multiface II / Cardbus in Gentoo In-Reply-To: <200609151248.53483.nescivi@gmail.com> References: <87lkom8d2i.fsf@mixandgo.ro> <200609151248.53483.nescivi@gmail.com> Message-ID: <70a871c80609150408w4b6b0bc1w8094896d9fe8c165@mail.gmail.com> On 9/15/06, nescivi wrote: > On Thursday 14 September 2006 21:26, Cezar wrote: > > Anyone using RME Multiface II / Cardbus in Gentoo ? Me. Everything works perfectly. Do you have PCMCIA enabled in your kernel? Regards, Dmitry. From linux4michelle at freenet.de Fri Sep 15 04:12:05 2006 From: linux4michelle at freenet.de (Michelle Konzack) Date: Fri Sep 15 09:28:07 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Ardour's size is out of the screen and can not resized In-Reply-To: <4509A5C6.6010100@tobiah.org> References: <9XJEmD.A.fm.1mYCFB@t1950ct.private> <4509A5C6.6010100@tobiah.org> Message-ID: Am 2006-09-14 11:56:06, schrieb st: > I would go along with a 1000 pixel minimum app width standard, which > would add a bit of room for fancy window borders on a 1024x768 screen. Right. > I don't have much sympathy anymore for users that can't do better than > 800x600 though. I'm getting 2048x1536 at 75Hz (had to brag). 800x600 (14" CRT) is realy small and I have never seen a Laptop with 2048x1536 resolution... I am using a IBM R40 (1300Mhz, 1 GByte Memory, 120 GByte HDD) Greetings Michelle Konzack -- Linux-User #280138 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org/ ##################### Debian GNU/Linux Consultant ##################### Michelle Konzack Apt. 917 ICQ #328449886 50, rue de Soultz MSM LinuxMichi 0033/6/61925193 67100 Strasbourg/France IRC #Debian (irc.icq.com) From rlrevell at joe-job.com Fri Sep 15 09:49:50 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Fri Sep 15 09:48:59 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Ardour's size is out of the screen and can not resized In-Reply-To: References: <9XJEmD.A.fm.1mYCFB@t1950ct.private> <4509A5C6.6010100@tobiah.org> Message-ID: <1158328190.7948.147.camel@mindpipe> On Fri, 2006-09-15 at 10:12 +0200, Michelle Konzack wrote: > Am 2006-09-14 11:56:06, schrieb st: > > I would go along with a 1000 pixel minimum app width standard, which > > would add a bit of room for fancy window borders on a 1024x768 screen. > > Right. > > > I don't have much sympathy anymore for users that can't do better than > > 800x600 though. I'm getting 2048x1536 at 75Hz (had to brag). > > 800x600 (14" CRT) is realy small and I have never seen a Laptop > with 2048x1536 resolution... > > I am using a IBM R40 (1300Mhz, 1 GByte Memory, 120 GByte HDD) It's still rude for an app to default to wider than 1000 pixels. Many people with large displays like to use them to see more apps. Lee From cezar at mixandgo.ro Fri Sep 15 10:29:53 2006 From: cezar at mixandgo.ro (Cezar) Date: Fri Sep 15 10:29:52 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] RME Multiface II / Cardbus in Gentoo In-Reply-To: <70a871c80609150408w4b6b0bc1w8094896d9fe8c165@mail.gmail.com> (Dmitry Baikov's message of "Fri, 15 Sep 2006 15:08:58 +0400") References: <87lkom8d2i.fsf@mixandgo.ro> <200609151248.53483.nescivi@gmail.com> <70a871c80609150408w4b6b0bc1w8094896d9fe8c165@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <87lkol19um.fsf@mixandgo.ro> Yes I do have PCMCIA enabled; but I wonder, is it possible that that the firmware I have on gentoo is a lower version that the one uploaded by ubuntu ? I say this because I remember the red light blinking which does not happen anymore, it just stays on ! lspci says : 02:04.0 CardBus bridge: Texas Instruments PCI1620 PC Card Controller (rev 01) 02:04.1 CardBus bridge: Texas Instruments PCI1620 PC Card Controller (rev 01) 02:04.2 System peripheral: Texas Instruments PCI1620 Firmware Loading Function (rev 01) "Dmitry Baikov" writes: > On 9/15/06, nescivi wrote: >> On Thursday 14 September 2006 21:26, Cezar wrote: >> > Anyone using RME Multiface II / Cardbus in Gentoo ? > Me. Everything works perfectly. > > Do you have PCMCIA enabled in your kernel? > > Regards, > Dmitry. From lilli.chiffon at free.fr Fri Sep 15 12:46:35 2006 From: lilli.chiffon at free.fr (Lilli Chiffon) Date: Fri Sep 15 12:46:50 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] New music on my new website Message-ID: <450AD8EB.3090607@free.fr> Hello the list I started my personal website to show my work, it's my first time. There are pictures, movie, lyrics and music ! Of course i done under linux, unfortunately the music is made under W?@"!$ except two or three tunes made on analogic sytem and mixed on debian. There are teaser in .mp3 but full songs in .ogg. Tell me your opinions and your advice (include the rendering on your browserand your screen). Here's the link : http://lesondumur.free.fr/ And for the music : http://lesondumur.free.fr/musique/index_chansons.html This work is still in progress. Thank by advance. Cheers, P'tit Louis From folderol at ukfsn.org Fri Sep 15 16:55:11 2006 From: folderol at ukfsn.org (Folderol) Date: Fri Sep 15 16:55:38 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] New music on my new website In-Reply-To: <450AD8EB.3090607@free.fr> References: <450AD8EB.3090607@free.fr> Message-ID: <20060915215511.1ae4e5e9@localhost> On Fri, 15 Sep 2006 18:46:35 +0200 Lilli Chiffon wrote: > Hello the list > > I started my personal website to show my work, it's my first time. There > are pictures, movie, lyrics and music ! > > Of course i done under linux, unfortunately the music is made under > W?@"!$ except two or three tunes made on analogic sytem and mixed on debian. > > There are teaser in .mp3 but full songs in .ogg. > > Tell me your opinions and your advice (include the rendering on your > browserand your screen). I like your musical style(s) - Simple and clean - It is unfortunate that I don't understand French so I obviously lose out there. I'm not too keen on your website. It is impressive but too stark and extreme for my tastes. Also, the text is far too small for these tired eyes. -- Will J G From tdhoward at gmail.com Fri Sep 15 19:13:17 2006 From: tdhoward at gmail.com (Tim Howard) Date: Fri Sep 15 19:13:25 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] New music on my new website In-Reply-To: <20060915215511.1ae4e5e9@localhost> References: <450AD8EB.3090607@free.fr> <20060915215511.1ae4e5e9@localhost> Message-ID: On 9/15/06, Folderol wrote: > On Fri, 15 Sep 2006 18:46:35 +0200 > Lilli Chiffon wrote: > > > Hello the list > > > > I started my personal website to show my work, it's my first time. There > > are pictures, movie, lyrics and music ! > > > > Of course i done under linux, unfortunately the music is made under > > W?@"!$ except two or three tunes made on analogic sytem and mixed on debian. > > > > There are teaser in .mp3 but full songs in .ogg. > > > > Tell me your opinions and your advice (include the rendering on your > > browserand your screen). > > I like your musical style(s) - Simple and clean - It is unfortunate > that I don't understand French so I obviously lose out there. > > I'm not too keen on your website. It is impressive but too stark and > extreme for my tastes. Also, the text is far too small for these tired > eyes. > > > -- > Will J G > I really like the website... Now I'll have to check out your music! :-) -TimH From marcospcmusica at gmail.com Fri Sep 15 14:32:02 2006 From: marcospcmusica at gmail.com (Marcos Guglielmetti) Date: Fri Sep 15 19:29:36 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Musix 0.59: new version In-Reply-To: <4507FEA5.1070307@woh.rr.com> References: <200609130049.44297.marcospcmusica@gmail.com> <4507F9CB.4080907@woh.rr.com> <4507FEA5.1070307@woh.rr.com> Message-ID: <200609152032.02506.marcospcmusica@gmail.com> El Mi?rcoles, 13 de Septiembre de 2006 14:50, Dave Phillips escribi?: > Hi Marcos: > > I brought the burn speed down from 40x to 16x, burned a new disc, and > have the same problem. The disc is not recognized at boot. As reported, > the checksum matches and gcombust reports no errors during the burn. > Bummer. :( > > Any suggestions ? Note: do not download Musix 0.59 for now, because it only works in 50% of PCs. There was a problem related to the mkisofs (4:2.01+01a03-5), mkisofs is a pre-mastering program for creating ISO-9660 CD-ROM. We are uploading a new version (Musix0.59b19) that will work on 100% of PC's hardware (we hope!!). Just wait one or two days, thanks. > Best, > > dp -- Marcos Guglielmetti * Director del desarrollo de Musix GNU+Linux, 100% Software Libre * CD Donwload: (http://www.musix.org.ar/en/) (www.pc-musica.com.ar/musix) * Videos, programas y otras cosas en: ftp://musix.ourproject.org/pub/musix/ * Reporte de errores a: https://www.musix.org.ar/wiki/index.php?title=Problemas-Bugs *IRC: #musix channel on freenode From markknecht at gmail.com Fri Sep 15 20:49:07 2006 From: markknecht at gmail.com (Mark Knecht) Date: Fri Sep 15 20:50:03 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] New music on my new website In-Reply-To: <450AD8EB.3090607@free.fr> References: <450AD8EB.3090607@free.fr> Message-ID: <5bdc1c8b0609151749k584577fcw77bd2ad1ba45e037@mail.gmail.com> I very much enjoyed Manivelle.ogg. It's well recorded and nicely mixed. I'll check for more later. Cheers, Mark On 9/15/06, Lilli Chiffon wrote: > Hello the list > > I started my personal website to show my work, it's my first time. There > are pictures, movie, lyrics and music ! > > Of course i done under linux, unfortunately the music is made under > W?@"!$ except two or three tunes made on analogic sytem and mixed on debian. > > There are teaser in .mp3 but full songs in .ogg. > > Tell me your opinions and your advice (include the rendering on your > browserand your screen). > > Here's the link : > > http://lesondumur.free.fr/ > > And for the music : > > http://lesondumur.free.fr/musique/index_chansons.html > > This work is still in progress. > > Thank by advance. > > Cheers, > > P'tit Louis > From redfox at 99b.org Fri Sep 15 21:34:39 2006 From: redfox at 99b.org (Chris Abbott) Date: Fri Sep 15 21:34:58 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Omnistudio USB with Jack via -dplughw:1 Message-ID: <450B54AF.2080205@99b.org> Ok, I can get Jack to start with my Omnistudio USB with "jackd -dalsa -dplughw:1 -i4 -o2". Although, I can't use jack. Whenever a client tries to connect, it responds with this: ALSA: could not complete playback of 1024 frames: error = -32 cycle execution failure, exiting DRIVER NT: could not run driver cycle jack main caught signal 12 no message buffer overruns Also, it xruns for a bit, calms down. That's when I try to connect with a client. -Chris From lilli.chiffon at free.fr Sat Sep 16 04:29:58 2006 From: lilli.chiffon at free.fr (Lilli Chiffon) Date: Sat Sep 16 04:30:07 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] New music on my new website In-Reply-To: <5bdc1c8b0609151749k584577fcw77bd2ad1ba45e037@mail.gmail.com> References: <450AD8EB.3090607@free.fr> <5bdc1c8b0609151749k584577fcw77bd2ad1ba45e037@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <450BB606.600@free.fr> Mark Knecht a ?crit : > I very much enjoyed Manivelle.ogg. It's well recorded and nicely mixed. > > I'll check for more later. > > Cheers, > Mark > Hi the list, Thanks for your advices, the good and the bad of course. I must precise i'm not the sound ingeneer of all tunes (just the old one one old Tascam TSR8), but the material used for the recording session was Neumann and AKG microphone, it helps to have a good mix if you have a good sources. Cheers P'tit Louis From atte.jensen at gmail.com Sat Sep 16 04:48:01 2006 From: atte.jensen at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Atte_Andr=E9_Jensen?=) Date: Sat Sep 16 04:49:39 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] noacpi, no sound Message-ID: <450BBA41.9000404@gmail.com> Hi I have glitches in my audio every 30-60 secs or so, so I thought I'd try disabling acpi and see what happens. I added this to my /boot/grub/menu.lst: title Debian GNU/Linux, kernel 2.6.15-1000hz noacpi root (hd0,0) kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.15-1000hz root=/dev/hda1 ro pci=noacpi initrd /boot/initrd.img-2.6.15-1000hz savedefault boot It's an exact copy (except the name and the pci=noacpi) of my working entry. After booting using this, jack (I use qjackctl) won't start, this is what I see in the messages window: 10:37:49.720 Startup script... 10:37:49.721 artsshell -q terminate qstring_to_xtp result code -2 can't create mcop directory Creating link /home/atte/.kde/socket-ajstrup. 10:37:49.967 Startup script terminated with exit status=256. 10:37:49.967 JACK is starting... 10:37:49.967 jackd -R -P70 -dalsa -dhw:0 -r48000 -p256 -n2 -S 10:37:49.978 JACK was started with PID=11427 (0x2ca3). cannot write to jackstart sync pipe 4 (Bad file descriptor) jackd: wait for startup process exit failed jackd 0.101.1 Copyright 2001-2005 Paul Davis and others. jackd comes with ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY This is free software, and you are welcome to redistribute it under certain conditions; see the file COPYING for details JACK compiled with System V SHM support. loading driver .. apparent rate = 48000 creating alsa driver ... hw:0|hw:0|256|2|48000|0|0|nomon|swmeter|-|16bit control device hw:0 ALSA: Cannot open PCM device alsa_pcm for playback. Falling back to capture-only mode cannot load driver module alsa 10:37:50.006 JACK was stopped successfully. qstring_to_xtp result code -2 10:37:52.129 Could not connect to JACK server as client. Please check the messages window for more info. qstring_to_xtp result code -2 This is my .jackdrc: atte@ajstrup:~$ cat .jackdrc jackd -R -P70 -dalsa -dhw:0 -r48000 -p256 -n2 -S Moreover xmms fails with: ** WARNING **: oss_open(): Failed to open audio device (/dev/dsp): No such file or directory So something seems all messed up with my sound card (at least it doesn't seem to be available), although the modules does get loaded: atte@ajstrup:~$ lsmod | grep snd snd_seq_virmidi 7936 0 snd_seq_dummy 3972 0 snd_seq_oss 35968 0 snd_seq_midi 9504 0 snd_seq_midi_event 7552 3 snd_seq_virmidi,snd_seq_oss,snd_seq_midi snd_seq 55056 10 snd_seq_virmidi,snd_seq_dummy,snd_seq_oss,snd_seq_midi,snd_seq_midi_event snd_intel8x0m 18316 0 snd_pcm_oss 55072 0 snd_mixer_oss 19968 1 snd_pcm_oss snd_intel8x0 34588 0 snd_ac97_codec 97440 2 snd_intel8x0m,snd_intel8x0 snd_ac97_bus 2432 1 snd_ac97_codec snd_usb_audio 79168 0 snd_usb_lib 17152 1 snd_usb_audio snd_pcm 93704 5 snd_intel8x0m,snd_pcm_oss,snd_intel8x0,snd_ac97_codec,snd_usb_audio snd_timer 26244 2 snd_seq,snd_pcm snd_page_alloc 11144 3 snd_intel8x0m,snd_intel8x0,snd_pcm snd_rawmidi 26400 3 snd_seq_virmidi,snd_seq_midi,snd_usb_lib snd_seq_device 8972 5 snd_seq_dummy,snd_seq_oss,snd_seq_midi,snd_seq,snd_rawmidi snd_hwdep 9760 1 snd_usb_audio snd 57188 15 snd_seq_virmidi,snd_seq_oss,snd_seq,snd_intel8x0m,snd_pcm_oss,snd_mixer_oss,snd_intel8x0,snd_ac97_codec,snd_usb_audio,snd_pcm,snd_timer,snd_rawmidi,snd_seq_device,snd_hwdep soundcore 10592 1 snd usbcore 134916 6 snd_usb_audio,snd_usb_lib,usbhid,uhci_hcd,ehci_hcd Any idea what's wrong? -- peace, love & harmony Atte http://www.atte.dk | quartet: http://www.anagrammer.dk | compositions: http://www.atte.dk/compositions From atte.jensen at gmail.com Sat Sep 16 04:50:42 2006 From: atte.jensen at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Atte_Andr=E9_Jensen?=) Date: Sat Sep 16 04:52:13 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] noacpi, no sound In-Reply-To: <450BBA41.9000404@gmail.com> References: <450BBA41.9000404@gmail.com> Message-ID: <450BBAE2.2040307@gmail.com> Atte Andr? Jensen wrote: > I have glitches in my audio every 30-60 secs or so, so I thought I'd try > disabling acpi and see what happens. Forgot to mention it's an IBM T41 laptop running debian/unstable... -- peace, love & harmony Atte http://www.atte.dk | quartet: http://www.anagrammer.dk | compositions: http://www.atte.dk/compositions From drucer99 at yahoo.com Sat Sep 16 05:39:23 2006 From: drucer99 at yahoo.com (Drucer Ninetynine) Date: Sat Sep 16 05:39:29 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] New music on my new website In-Reply-To: <450AD8EB.3090607@free.fr> Message-ID: <20060916093923.80228.qmail@web52204.mail.yahoo.com> Who's that girl on the web page? She looks hot :) http://lesondumur.free.fr/musique/index_chansons.html __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From lilli.chiffon at free.fr Sat Sep 16 07:24:59 2006 From: lilli.chiffon at free.fr (Lilli Chiffon) Date: Sat Sep 16 07:25:10 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] New music on my new website In-Reply-To: <20060916093923.80228.qmail@web52204.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20060916093923.80228.qmail@web52204.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <450BDF0B.1070906@free.fr> Drucer Ninetynine a ?crit : >Who's that girl on the web page? She looks hot :) > >http://lesondumur.free.fr/musique/index_chansons.html > > > Unfortunately, it's two dummys in a clothes store at Saint Germain des Pr?s. Bad news :'( P'tit Louis From drucer99 at yahoo.com Sat Sep 16 07:41:27 2006 From: drucer99 at yahoo.com (Drucer Ninetynine) Date: Sat Sep 16 07:41:35 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] New music on my new website In-Reply-To: <450BDF0B.1070906@free.fr> Message-ID: <20060916114127.31393.qmail@web52201.mail.yahoo.com> --- Lilli Chiffon wrote: > Drucer Ninetynine a ?crit : > > >Who's that girl on the web page? She looks hot :) > > > >http://lesondumur.free.fr/musique/index_chansons.html > > > > > > > Unfortunately, it's two dummys in a clothes store at > Saint Germain des Pr?s. > > Bad news :'( > > P'tit Louis > Haha :) Too bad :) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From dsbaikov at gmail.com Sat Sep 16 08:44:32 2006 From: dsbaikov at gmail.com (Dmitry Baikov) Date: Sat Sep 16 08:44:41 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] noacpi, no sound In-Reply-To: <450BBAE2.2040307@gmail.com> References: <450BBA41.9000404@gmail.com> <450BBAE2.2040307@gmail.com> Message-ID: <70a871c80609160544x4b457cd4j524e34259afd6a56@mail.gmail.com> On many modern laptops, ACPI is the only way to access some devices. Without it they can not allocate IRQs. On my laptop sound also does not work without ACPI. So, either enable ACPI or forget about internal soundcard. In my case I got Echo Indigo IO, as my intel_hda worked acpi-only and even then half-duplex. Not talking about sound quality :) Regards, Dmitry. From atte.jensen at gmail.com Sat Sep 16 09:28:39 2006 From: atte.jensen at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?B?QXR0ZSBBbmRyw6kgSmVuc2Vu?=) Date: Sat Sep 16 09:30:20 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] noacpi, no sound In-Reply-To: <70a871c80609160544x4b457cd4j524e34259afd6a56@mail.gmail.com> References: <450BBA41.9000404@gmail.com> <450BBAE2.2040307@gmail.com> <70a871c80609160544x4b457cd4j524e34259afd6a56@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <450BFC07.2010408@gmail.com> Dmitry Baikov wrote: > On many modern laptops, ACPI is the only way to access some devices. > Without it they can not allocate IRQs. Ok, I didn't know that. > So, either enable ACPI or forget about internal soundcard. Hmm, will consider that, after all options are exhausted. Already have an Edirol UA-1A (usb) that doesn't work that convincing. So since I have no firewire in this machine, I'm reluctant to get another usb card... -- peace, love & harmony Atte http://www.atte.dk | quartet: http://www.anagrammer.dk | compositions: http://www.atte.dk/compositions From rlrevell at joe-job.com Sat Sep 16 12:13:32 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Sat Sep 16 12:12:38 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] noacpi, no sound In-Reply-To: <450BBA41.9000404@gmail.com> References: <450BBA41.9000404@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1158423212.25448.34.camel@mindpipe> On Sat, 2006-09-16 at 10:48 +0200, Atte Andr? Jensen wrote: > Hi > > I have glitches in my audio every 30-60 secs or so, so I thought I'd try > disabling acpi and see what happens. I added this to my > /boot/grub/menu.lst: Have you tried disabling any battery monitors, CPU frequency scaling, or applets that may talk to the ACPI subsystem? Lee From atte.jensen at gmail.com Sat Sep 16 12:41:24 2006 From: atte.jensen at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Atte_Andr=E9_Jensen?=) Date: Sat Sep 16 12:42:56 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] noacpi, no sound In-Reply-To: <1158423212.25448.34.camel@mindpipe> References: <450BBA41.9000404@gmail.com> <1158423212.25448.34.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <450C2934.8060506@gmail.com> Lee Revell wrote: > On Sat, 2006-09-16 at 10:48 +0200, Atte Andr? Jensen wrote: >> Hi >> >> I have glitches in my audio every 30-60 secs or so, so I thought I'd try >> disabling acpi and see what happens. I added this to my >> /boot/grub/menu.lst: > > Have you tried disabling any battery monitors, CPU frequency scaling, > or applets that may talk to the ACPI subsystem? No. Just found one (a script that controls the fan, disabling it, has the fan running at full steam, so that's ok), and the interval between glitches are up to about 2 mins or more. If I could just find the rest of these. What is the best approach in general in finding such problematic processes? I mean it could (from my point of view) be anything non-critical in the subsystem. I tried looking in htop, bit around the time then the glitch appear I don't see anything unusual... -- peace, love & harmony Atte http://www.atte.dk | quartet: http://www.anagrammer.dk | compositions: http://www.atte.dk/compositions From atte.jensen at gmail.com Sat Sep 16 12:43:50 2006 From: atte.jensen at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Atte_Andr=E9_Jensen?=) Date: Sat Sep 16 12:45:22 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] noacpi, no sound In-Reply-To: <450C2934.8060506@gmail.com> References: <450BBA41.9000404@gmail.com> <1158423212.25448.34.camel@mindpipe> <450C2934.8060506@gmail.com> Message-ID: <450C29C6.2060002@gmail.com> Atte Andr? Jensen wrote: > If I could just find the rest > of these. Oh, and would applying the rt-patches (running stock home-build 2.6.15 now) potentially make a difference? -- peace, love & harmony Atte http://www.atte.dk | quartet: http://www.anagrammer.dk | compositions: http://www.atte.dk/compositions From rlrevell at joe-job.com Sat Sep 16 12:49:10 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Sat Sep 16 12:48:15 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] noacpi, no sound In-Reply-To: <450C29C6.2060002@gmail.com> References: <450BBA41.9000404@gmail.com> <1158423212.25448.34.camel@mindpipe> <450C2934.8060506@gmail.com> <450C29C6.2060002@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1158425350.25448.44.camel@mindpipe> On Sat, 2006-09-16 at 18:43 +0200, Atte Andr? Jensen wrote: > Atte Andr? Jensen wrote: > > > If I could just find the rest > > of these. > > Oh, and would applying the rt-patches (running stock home-build 2.6.15 > now) potentially make a difference? > No, it's a hardware bug (probably has the ACPI-SMM issue). Lee From linux4michelle at freenet.de Sat Sep 16 10:39:43 2006 From: linux4michelle at freenet.de (Michelle Konzack) Date: Sat Sep 16 13:09:05 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Ardour's size is out of the screen and can not resized In-Reply-To: <200609141728.37759.rhkramer@gmail.com> References: <9XJEmD.A.fm.1mYCFB@t1950ct.private> <4509A5C6.6010100@tobiah.org> <200609141728.37759.rhkramer@gmail.com> Message-ID: Am 2006-09-14 17:28:37, schrieb Randy Kramer: > I mentioned the trick on another (iirc) mailing list not > long ago--it at least makes the situation bearable. (Hold down , right > click anywhere in a window (the cursor changes to a cross with arrowheads) > and move the window as necessary to access any part of it you can't see. Under which OS, DesktopEnvironement or WindowManager? I run fvwm 2.5.12 Greetings Michelle Konzack Systemadministrator Tamay Dogan Network Debian GNU/Linux Consultant -- Linux-User #280138 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org/ ##################### Debian GNU/Linux Consultant ##################### Michelle Konzack Apt. 917 ICQ #328449886 50, rue de Soultz MSM LinuxMichi 0033/6/61925193 67100 Strasbourg/France IRC #Debian (irc.icq.com) From linux4michelle at freenet.de Sat Sep 16 10:42:09 2006 From: linux4michelle at freenet.de (Michelle Konzack) Date: Sat Sep 16 13:10:02 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Ardour's size is out of the screen and can not resized In-Reply-To: <4509D93E.1090306@tobiah.org> References: <9XJEmD.A.fm.1mYCFB@t1950ct.private> <4509A5C6.6010100@tobiah.org> <200609141728.37759.rhkramer@gmail.com> <4509D93E.1090306@tobiah.org> Message-ID: Am 2006-09-14 15:35:42, schrieb st: > I haven't run ardour since reading this thread, but it does seem a bit > odd that it has such a large minimum size. If people want to run 640x480 > and scroll around to find the different parts of the program, I guess > they ought to be able to do that. For some minutes I have changed the font size used by Ardour and now it has a width of around 920 pixels, but the Menus are non readable. Greetings Michelle Konzack Systemadministrator Tamay Dogan Network Debian GNU/Linux Consultant -- Linux-User #280138 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org/ ##################### Debian GNU/Linux Consultant ##################### Michelle Konzack Apt. 917 ICQ #328449886 50, rue de Soultz MSM LinuxMichi 0033/6/61925193 67100 Strasbourg/France IRC #Debian (irc.icq.com) From mista.tapas at gmx.net Sat Sep 16 14:13:26 2006 From: mista.tapas at gmx.net (Florian Schmidt) Date: Sat Sep 16 14:13:35 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] noacpi, no sound In-Reply-To: <450BBA41.9000404@gmail.com> References: <450BBA41.9000404@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200609162013.26992.mista.tapas@gmx.net> On Saturday 16 September 2006 10:48, Atte Andr? Jensen wrote: > ALSA: Cannot open PCM device alsa_pcm for playback. Falling back to > Moreover xmms fails with: > ** WARNING **: oss_open(): Failed to open audio device (/dev/dsp): No > such file or directory Does udev create the relevant device files? Flo -- Palimm Palimm! http://tapas.affenbande.org From arnold.krille at gmail.com Sat Sep 16 15:15:44 2006 From: arnold.krille at gmail.com (Arnold Krille) Date: Sat Sep 16 15:15:52 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: songs /songs/ In-Reply-To: <200609132213.29872.rj@spamatica.se> References: <200609132213.29872.rj@spamatica.se> Message-ID: <2def88b80609161215n595b8eeeh1a7a74b462208d99@mail.gmail.com> Hi, I like your music! 2006/9/13, Robert Jonsson : > http://spamatica.se/music/spamatica/default/spamatica_-_bloodsimple1.1.ogg > http://spamatica.se/music/spamatica/default/spamatica_-_preludium_to_armageddon1.0.ogg > http://spamatica.se/music/spamatica/default/spamatica_-_i_gotta_hand_it_to_you1.1.ogg While all are great, could you post lyrics and chords on this one? This song is amazing... > http://spamatica.se/music/spamatica/default/spamatica_-_ddb3.ogg > http://spamatica.se/music/spamatica/default/spamatica_-_one_minute_jazz.ogg > http://spamatica.se/music/spamatica/default/spamatica_-_xper1.5.ogg My technical ear says that most of them (all?) have to much bass, probably in the 150-200Hz section. I compared it to some Eric Clapton songs (which tend to have a lot of bass) and yours where a little distracting. While the bass might be okay for the electronic stuff it is (in my ears) to much for the jazzier songs... Anyway, thanks for sharing your great music! Arnold -- visit http://dillenburg.dyndns.org/~arnold/ --- Wenn man mit Raubkopien Bands wie Brosis oder Britney Spears wirklich verhindern k?nnte, w?rde ich mir noch heute einen Stapel Brenner und einen Sack Rohlinge kaufen. From atte.jensen at gmail.com Sat Sep 16 15:34:47 2006 From: atte.jensen at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Atte_Andr=E9_Jensen?=) Date: Sat Sep 16 15:36:18 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] noacpi, no sound In-Reply-To: <200609162013.26992.mista.tapas@gmx.net> References: <450BBA41.9000404@gmail.com> <200609162013.26992.mista.tapas@gmx.net> Message-ID: <450C51D7.4040102@gmail.com> Florian Schmidt wrote: > Does udev create the relevant device files? Not sure how to check that. But apparently /dev/dsp doesn't exist, so I guess not. Or did I misunderstand you? -- peace, love & harmony Atte http://www.atte.dk | quartet: http://www.anagrammer.dk | compositions: http://www.atte.dk/compositions From mista.tapas at gmx.net Sat Sep 16 15:45:24 2006 From: mista.tapas at gmx.net (Florian Schmidt) Date: Sat Sep 16 15:45:33 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] noacpi, no sound In-Reply-To: <450C51D7.4040102@gmail.com> References: <450BBA41.9000404@gmail.com> <200609162013.26992.mista.tapas@gmx.net> <450C51D7.4040102@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200609162145.24166.mista.tapas@gmx.net> On Saturday 16 September 2006 21:34, Atte Andr? Jensen wrote: > Florian Schmidt wrote: > > Does udev create the relevant device files? > > Not sure how to check that. But apparently /dev/dsp doesn't exist, so I > guess not. Or did I misunderstand you? Nah. You didn't misunderstand me :) Right on! So i suppose it would be worth checking the syslog and maybe dmesg for any suspicious messages. Flo -- Palimm Palimm! http://tapas.affenbande.org From iainduncan at telus.net Sun Sep 17 00:16:08 2006 From: iainduncan at telus.net (Iain Duncan) Date: Sat Sep 16 17:19:57 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Choosing a pro mobile firewire card Message-ID: <450CCC08.3060500@telus.net> I just got a new mac powerbook ( bought mac for business reasons, need to be able to run OSX ) and am looking forward to putting a dual boot on there, though I realize that won't yet be trivial. I'm wondering what the best options are for a pro mobile all-in-one firewire interface. Are there good drivers yet for any of them? MOTU is totally un-linux friendly, correct? Any feedback on RME's Fireface cards or other options? Thanks Iain From iainduncan at telus.net Sun Sep 17 00:20:13 2006 From: iainduncan at telus.net (Iain Duncan) Date: Sat Sep 16 17:24:03 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Best distro for an Intel Powerbook dual boot? Message-ID: <450CCCFD.90300@telus.net> Um, that about sums it up! Anyone managed to get a good audio setup on one of those without going nuts? Thanks Iain From pinojazz at gmail.com Sat Sep 16 19:33:47 2006 From: pinojazz at gmail.com (Carlos Pino) Date: Sat Sep 16 17:33:21 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [songs] songs /songs/ In-Reply-To: <200609142016.43319.rj@spamatica.se> References: <200609132213.29872.rj@spamatica.se> <20060914095840.GA5438@charly.SWORD> <200609142016.43319.rj@spamatica.se> Message-ID: <450C89DB.3090903@gmail.com> Robert Jonsson escribi?: > On Thursday 14 September 2006 11:58, Thorsten Wilms wrote: > >> On Wed, Sep 13, 2006 at 10:13:29PM +0200, Robert Jonsson wrote: >> >>> http://spamatica.se/music/spamatica/default/spamatica_-_bloodsimple1.1.og >>> g >>> http://spamatica.se/music/spamatica/default/spamatica_-_preludium_to_arma >>> geddon1.0.ogg >>> http://spamatica.se/music/spamatica/default/spamatica_-_i_gotta_hand_it_t >>> o_you1.1.ogg >>> http://spamatica.se/music/spamatica/default/spamatica_-_ddb3.ogg >>> http://spamatica.se/music/spamatica/default/spamatica_-_one_minute_jazz.o >>> gg http://spamatica.se/music/spamatica/default/spamatica_-_xper1.5.ogg >>> Good job :-) , nice sound and very good guitar playing . >> While the jazz and preludium just arn't my thing, >> > > Mmm :) The jazz thingy is more or less a joke (hope I don't make to may > enemies by saying this), it's somekind of proof that experimental jazz is not > music. ;-P > It was created in 15 minutes using some nice midi instruments and just (nearly > randomly) hitting keys on the keyboard cutting and pasting just a tad and > adding a hihat beat. > > Not that I don't like this kind of music, I very much like EST for instance, > but it's a thin line. > > Just a thought about the jazz joke ( no enemies here ;-) ) , and that "thin line" that you talk about . I think Is the honesty and "actitude" where this "thin line" becomes "fat" . I'm thinking in people like Ornette ,Miles ,Coltrane ,Herbie Hancock or many others that touch this "thin line" in any time of his career . Thanks for your music and also for that greate tool called MusE :-) Saludos. -- Carlos . From arnold.krille at gmail.com Sat Sep 16 17:39:22 2006 From: arnold.krille at gmail.com (Arnold Krille) Date: Sat Sep 16 17:39:37 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Choosing a pro mobile firewire card In-Reply-To: <450CCC08.3060500@telus.net> References: <450CCC08.3060500@telus.net> Message-ID: <2def88b80609161439w4b1353c3r2d5613e29436eca6@mail.gmail.com> 2006/9/17, Iain Duncan : > I just got a new mac powerbook ( bought mac for business reasons, need > to be able to run OSX ) and am looking forward to putting a dual boot on > there, though I realize that won't yet be trivial. See freebob.sf.net for supported devices... > I'm wondering what the best options are for a pro mobile all-in-one > firewire interface. Are there good drivers yet for any of them? MOTU is > totally un-linux friendly, correct? Correct. > Any feedback on RME's Fireface cards or other options? RME's FW-devices aren't supported. But why don't you combine the OSX-hardware-support with the opensource-software? Good thing about free software is that it isn't limited to linux. And there are ardour- and jack-packages for OSX available and probably for a lot of other free music software too... Arnold -- visit http://dillenburg.dyndns.org/~arnold/ --- Wenn man mit Raubkopien Bands wie Brosis oder Britney Spears wirklich verhindern k?nnte, w?rde ich mir noch heute einen Stapel Brenner und einen Sack Rohlinge kaufen. From petter.sundlof at findus.dhs.org Sat Sep 16 17:42:22 2006 From: petter.sundlof at findus.dhs.org (=?UTF-8?B?UGV0dGVyIFN1bmRsw7Zm?=) Date: Sat Sep 16 17:42:43 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Choosing a pro mobile firewire card In-Reply-To: <2def88b80609161439w4b1353c3r2d5613e29436eca6@mail.gmail.com> References: <450CCC08.3060500@telus.net> <2def88b80609161439w4b1353c3r2d5613e29436eca6@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <450C6FBE.6010605@findus.dhs.org> Arnold Krille wrote: (...) >> Any feedback on RME's Fireface cards or other options? > > RME's FW-devices aren't supported. > > But why don't you combine the OSX-hardware-support with the > opensource-software? Good thing about free software is that it isn't > limited to linux. And there are ardour- and jack-packages for OSX > available and probably for a lot of other free music software too... > > Arnold I don't fully understand why'd you'd want to embrace free software on the one hand with SOME applications, and regress back to proprietary software for the OS, drivers and other applications? From iainduncan at telus.net Sun Sep 17 01:39:43 2006 From: iainduncan at telus.net (Iain Duncan) Date: Sat Sep 16 18:43:37 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Ok, what about non firewire mobile cards? Message-ID: <450CDF9F.6060000@telus.net> Ack, I guess it's premature for firewire mobile audio on a dual boot mactel. I really like the specs on the MOTU and RME firewire cards but don't want to wait an unknown length of time for drivers... =( Any suggestions on good alternatives for audio on a powerbook pro? How decent is the latency using a USB 2 solution and what are the top choices? Pros for me are: - at least one decent mic pre - at least one midi bus - hands on volume controls - lots of ins. Thanks Iain From rj at spamatica.se Sat Sep 16 18:51:44 2006 From: rj at spamatica.se (Robert Jonsson) Date: Sat Sep 16 18:50:26 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [songs] songs /songs/ In-Reply-To: <4509D3FA.4020008@linuxuse.de> References: <200609132213.29872.rj@spamatica.se> <4509D3FA.4020008@linuxuse.de> Message-ID: <200609170051.44943.rj@spamatica.se> Hi Hartmut and everybody, On Friday 15 September 2006 00:13, Hartmut Noack wrote: > Hey Robert, > > i am stunned!! > You really have created something extremely rare: a sound that is > recognizable within a few seconds without hearing the voice - fullgrown > awsome - compliments to the chef etc etc etc... gosh <...> > > http://spamatica.se/music/spamatica/default/spamatica_-_ddb3.ogg > > absolutely outstanding, here i am, i confess envy ;-) Oh, thank you :) I didn't really anticipate this song being so popular. That and all the good feedback (thanks guys!) about mixing inspired me to try and remaster some of the tunes. ... still trying to decide myself if I managed to improve... For those interested some updated songs: http://spamatica.se/music/spamatica/default/spamatica_-_i_gotta_hand_it_to_you1.2.ogg http://spamatica.se/music/spamatica/default/spamatica_-_ddb4.ogg http://spamatica.se/music/spamatica/default/spamatica_-_bloodsimple1.2.ogg <...> > > > Well well, good muse can do such stuff. > BTW, when, do you think, we can hope for a new release - something like > muse 0.9 ?? Development is slow hard to give a date, we've been planning to do a prerelease (alpha or whatever) for 1.0 soon, but the real release is still some ways of. Regards, Robert -- http://spamatica.se/musicsite/ From dsbaikov at gmail.com Sat Sep 16 19:03:23 2006 From: dsbaikov at gmail.com (Dmitry Baikov) Date: Sat Sep 16 19:03:38 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Ok, what about non firewire mobile cards? In-Reply-To: <450CDF9F.6060000@telus.net> References: <450CDF9F.6060000@telus.net> Message-ID: <70a871c80609161603t2966075ahdb717f0455e0a963@mail.gmail.com> On 9/17/06, Iain Duncan wrote: > Ack, I guess it's premature for firewire mobile audio on a dual boot > mactel. I really like the specs on the MOTU and RME firewire cards but > don't want to wait an unknown length of time for drivers... =( > RME will soon release ExpressCard version of HDSP. It means Multiface II for you :) I do not know when exacly, they say "not far". It has no mic pre's, though. And "not far" may mean several months. But the hw is so sweet... and well supported under linux. Regards, Dmitry. From rj at spamatica.se Sat Sep 16 19:07:48 2006 From: rj at spamatica.se (Robert Jonsson) Date: Sat Sep 16 19:06:24 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: songs /songs/ In-Reply-To: <2def88b80609161215n595b8eeeh1a7a74b462208d99@mail.gmail.com> References: <200609132213.29872.rj@spamatica.se> <2def88b80609161215n595b8eeeh1a7a74b462208d99@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200609170107.49095.rj@spamatica.se> Hi Arnold, On Saturday 16 September 2006 21:15, Arnold Krille wrote: > Hi, > > I like your music! Thanks! > > 2006/9/13, Robert Jonsson : > > http://spamatica.se/music/spamatica/default/spamatica_-_bloodsimple1.1.og > >g > > http://spamatica.se/music/spamatica/default/spamatica_-_preludium_to_arma > >geddon1.0.ogg > > http://spamatica.se/music/spamatica/default/spamatica_-_i_gotta_hand_it_t > >o_you1.1.ogg > > While all are great, could you post lyrics and chords on this one? > This song is amazing... Oh, blush. As for chords, it's a variation of 12-bar blues played in G as I recall. The lyrics are as follows: Well, I gotta hand it to ya babe / This time you really thought it through I gotta hand it to ya baby / The way you tell it makes me smile I gotta hand it to ya babe / Although I've always played the blues You know I had darkness all around me / In my garden, in my house I had darkness all around me / Before my eyes, in my mind Still I always play the blues / I gotta hand it to ya babe Well, I was all broken down / Not a penny left to spare I was all broken down / Did not ever talk back Still I always will play the blues / I gotta hand it to ya babe Well I do, and here I go > > > http://spamatica.se/music/spamatica/default/spamatica_-_ddb3.ogg > > http://spamatica.se/music/spamatica/default/spamatica_-_one_minute_jazz.o > >gg http://spamatica.se/music/spamatica/default/spamatica_-_xper1.5.ogg > > My technical ear says that most of them (all?) have to much bass, > probably in the 150-200Hz section. Yes, all the feedback have really taught me some new tricks and truths! JAPA was a very nice tool to get a visual feel for it also. Thanks for listening! /Robert > I compared it to some Eric Clapton > songs (which tend to have a lot of bass) and yours where a little > distracting. > While the bass might be okay for the electronic stuff it is (in my > ears) to much for the jazzier songs... > > Anyway, thanks for sharing your great music! > > Arnold -- http://spamatica.se/musicsite/ From rlrevell at joe-job.com Sat Sep 16 19:11:46 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Sat Sep 16 19:10:53 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Ok, what about non firewire mobile cards? In-Reply-To: <450CDF9F.6060000@telus.net> References: <450CDF9F.6060000@telus.net> Message-ID: <1158448306.27690.7.camel@mindpipe> On Sat, 2006-09-16 at 22:39 -0700, Iain Duncan wrote: > Ack, I guess it's premature for firewire mobile audio on a dual boot > mactel. I really like the specs on the MOTU and RME firewire cards but > don't want to wait an unknown length of time for drivers... =( > Did you "See freebob.sf.net for supported devices..." as a previous poster suggested? Also it's not an unknown length of time - those devices will almost certainly never have Linux drivers. Lee From marcospcmusica at gmail.com Sat Sep 16 14:25:53 2006 From: marcospcmusica at gmail.com (Marcos Guglielmetti) Date: Sat Sep 16 19:26:55 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Musix 0.59b19 is out Message-ID: <200609162025.53418.marcospcmusica@gmail.com> Hey, Now Musix GNU/Linux 0.59 should boot fine in all PCs, http://www.musix.org.ar/en/download.html Cheers, -- Marcos Guglielmetti * Director del desarrollo de Musix GNU+Linux, 100% Software Libre * CD Donwload: (http://www.musix.org.ar/en/) (www.pc-musica.com.ar/musix) * Videos, programas y otras cosas en: ftp://musix.ourproject.org/pub/musix/ * Reporte de errores a: https://www.musix.org.ar/wiki/index.php?title=Problemas-Bugs *IRC: #musix channel on freenode From loki.davison at gmail.com Sat Sep 16 20:45:53 2006 From: loki.davison at gmail.com (Loki Davison) Date: Sat Sep 16 20:46:01 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Choosing a pro mobile firewire card In-Reply-To: <450CCC08.3060500@telus.net> References: <450CCC08.3060500@telus.net> Message-ID: On 9/17/06, Iain Duncan wrote: > I just got a new mac powerbook ( bought mac for business reasons, need > to be able to run OSX ) and am looking forward to putting a dual boot on > there, though I realize that won't yet be trivial. > > I'm wondering what the best options are for a pro mobile all-in-one > firewire interface. Are there good drivers yet for any of them? MOTU is > totally un-linux friendly, correct? > > Any feedback on RME's Fireface cards or other options? > > Thanks > Iain Does it have pcmcia/cardbus slots? Then any of the cardbus solutions are the way to go. Loki From iainduncan at telus.net Sun Sep 17 04:59:53 2006 From: iainduncan at telus.net (Iain Duncan) Date: Sat Sep 16 22:03:44 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Ok, what about non firewire mobile cards? In-Reply-To: <1158448306.27690.7.camel@mindpipe> References: <450CDF9F.6060000@telus.net> <1158448306.27690.7.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <450D0E89.4060200@telus.net> > Did you "See freebob.sf.net for supported devices..." as a previous > poster suggested? > > Also it's not an unknown length of time - those devices will almost > certainly never have Linux drivers. I found a page on someone reverse engineering the MOTU stuff to make drivers, is that a dead project then? Or just a long shot? Thanks Iain From iainduncan at telus.net Sun Sep 17 05:05:58 2006 From: iainduncan at telus.net (Iain Duncan) Date: Sat Sep 16 22:09:55 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Choosing a pro mobile firewire card In-Reply-To: References: <450CCC08.3060500@telus.net> Message-ID: <450D0FF6.7040504@telus.net> >> I'm wondering what the best options are for a pro mobile all-in-one >> firewire interface. Are there good drivers yet for any of them? MOTU is >> totally un-linux friendly, correct? >> >> Any feedback on RME's Fireface cards or other options? >> >> Thanks >> Iain > > Does it have pcmcia/cardbus slots? Then any of the cardbus solutions > are the way to go. > > Loki Thanks Loki. I'm a total newbie to macs so I don't know what I can do with the Express/34 Card. Anyone know if there are decent sound cards that can work with that and will be ok under linux and osx? Thanks Iain From _ at whats-your.name Sat Sep 16 22:18:11 2006 From: _ at whats-your.name (carmen) Date: Sat Sep 16 22:18:18 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Choosing a pro mobile firewire card In-Reply-To: <450D0FF6.7040504@telus.net> References: <450CCC08.3060500@telus.net> <450D0FF6.7040504@telus.net> Message-ID: <20060917021811.GA3590@replic.net> > Thanks Loki. I'm a total newbie to macs so I don't know what I can do with the Express/34 Card. Anyone know if there are decent sound cards that can work with that and > will be ok under linux and osx? are there even ExpressCard slot audio cards on the market? your best bet if you want the freedom to change OSes, is check the FreeBob compatibility list: http://freebob.sourceforge.net/index.php/List_of_Supported_Devices and just assume that it will also work on OSuX and Windoze... i can make a mild update about the Wiki "nobody has approached echo about the compatiblity". i submitted a tech support inquiry and they responded that they were going to release a new version of the 'generic' driver for the audiofire boxes on their frontpage, for linux driver support. if you want those, mayeb you could donate to freebob and bug them to bug echo and get going on it... > > Thanks > Iain > From rlrevell at joe-job.com Sat Sep 16 22:25:22 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Sat Sep 16 22:24:27 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Ok, what about non firewire mobile cards? In-Reply-To: <450D0E89.4060200@telus.net> References: <450CDF9F.6060000@telus.net> <1158448306.27690.7.camel@mindpipe> <450D0E89.4060200@telus.net> Message-ID: <1158459923.27690.43.camel@mindpipe> On Sun, 2006-09-17 at 01:59 -0700, Iain Duncan wrote: > > Did you "See freebob.sf.net for supported devices..." as a previous > > poster suggested? > > > > Also it's not an unknown length of time - those devices will almost > > certainly never have Linux drivers. > > I found a page on someone reverse engineering the MOTU stuff to make > drivers, is that a dead project then? Or just a long shot? Consider that years of time and effort that went into the Freebob project before their drivers were usable, and that they had the hardware docs. I wouldn't hold my breath. Lee From _ at whats-your.name Sat Sep 16 22:29:56 2006 From: _ at whats-your.name (carmen) Date: Sat Sep 16 22:30:09 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Ok, what about non firewire mobile cards? In-Reply-To: <1158459923.27690.43.camel@mindpipe> References: <450CDF9F.6060000@telus.net> <1158448306.27690.7.camel@mindpipe> <450D0E89.4060200@telus.net> <1158459923.27690.43.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <20060917022956.GB3590@replic.net> > > I found a page on someone reverse engineering the MOTU stuff to make > > drivers, is that a dead project then? Or just a long shot? > http://www.olafchrist.de/ieee1394/index.php . soudns like a bit of a gamble. i made the mistake of buying MOTU once and it barely worked on windows. only would properly install after a clean wipe of windows, due to ghosted registry entries or something screwing up their ancient, broken installer. got it working once, but it was chewing 20% of the CPU just to channel MIDI, which is 20% more than a 9 dollar gameport cable.. plus it wouldnt work on linxu despite the usb-audio seeing it.. > > Lee > From iainduncan at telus.net Sun Sep 17 05:48:14 2006 From: iainduncan at telus.net (Iain Duncan) Date: Sat Sep 16 22:52:14 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Anyone using Presonus Firepod successfully? Message-ID: <450D19DE.108@telus.net> I see it listed in the Freebob matrix but would like to hear any firsthand reports with more detail, on either PC or Mactel arch. This looks like a good potential linux and mactel solution for me if it works. And I've heard good things about those Presonus preamps for the price. Thanks Iain From rlrevell at joe-job.com Sat Sep 16 23:11:57 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Sat Sep 16 23:11:02 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Ok, what about non firewire mobile cards? In-Reply-To: <20060917022956.GB3590@replic.net> References: <450CDF9F.6060000@telus.net> <1158448306.27690.7.camel@mindpipe> <450D0E89.4060200@telus.net> <1158459923.27690.43.camel@mindpipe> <20060917022956.GB3590@replic.net> Message-ID: <1158462718.27690.74.camel@mindpipe> On Sun, 2006-09-17 at 02:29 +0000, carmen wrote: > > > I found a page on someone reverse engineering the MOTU stuff to make > > > drivers, is that a dead project then? Or just a long shot? > > > > http://www.olafchrist.de/ieee1394/index.php . soudns like a bit of a > gamble. i made the mistake of buying MOTU once and it barely worked on > windows. only would properly install after a clean wipe of windows, > due to ghosted registry entries or something screwing up their > ancient, broken installer. got it working once, but it was chewing 20% > of the CPU just to channel MIDI, which is 20% more than a 9 dollar > gameport cable.. plus it wouldnt work on linxu despite the usb-audio > seeing it.. > I suspect the vast majority of MOTU's testing is on OSX. Digital Performer doesn't even run on Windows. Lee From loki.davison at gmail.com Sat Sep 16 23:23:03 2006 From: loki.davison at gmail.com (Loki Davison) Date: Sat Sep 16 23:23:13 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Choosing a pro mobile firewire card In-Reply-To: <20060917021811.GA3590@replic.net> References: <450CCC08.3060500@telus.net> <450D0FF6.7040504@telus.net> <20060917021811.GA3590@replic.net> Message-ID: On 9/17/06, carmen <_@whats-your.name> wrote: > > Thanks Loki. I'm a total newbie to macs so I don't know what I can do with > the Express/34 Card. Anyone know if there are decent sound cards that can > work with that and > > will be ok under linux and osx? > > are there even ExpressCard slot audio cards on the market? your best bet if > you want the freedom to change OSes, is check the FreeBob compatibility > list: > > http://freebob.sourceforge.net/index.php/List_of_Supported_Devices > > and just assume that it will also work on OSuX and Windoze... > > i can make a mild update about the Wiki "nobody has approached echo about > the compatiblity". i submitted a tech support inquiry and they responded > that they were going to release a new version of the 'generic' driver for > the audiofire boxes on their frontpage, for linux driver support. if you > want those, mayeb you could donate to freebob and bug them to bug echo and > get going on it... > > > > > Thanks > > Iain > > > I've found some mention of expresscard to pcmcia converters on the net. Not sure if these actually are out yet or fit in the mac's little slots or just the bigger 54 mm version. Firewire might be your only option. Loki From chris at mccormick.cx Sun Sep 17 01:05:52 2006 From: chris at mccormick.cx (Chris McCormick) Date: Sun Sep 17 01:11:45 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [songs] songs /songs/ In-Reply-To: <450C89DB.3090903@gmail.com> References: <200609132213.29872.rj@spamatica.se> <20060914095840.GA5438@charly.SWORD> <200609142016.43319.rj@spamatica.se> <450C89DB.3090903@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20060917050552.GC11685@mccormick.cx> On Sun, Sep 17, 2006 at 01:33:47AM +0200, Carlos Pino wrote: > Robert Jonsson escribi?: > Just a thought about the jazz joke ( no enemies here ;-) ) , and that > "thin line" that you talk about . > I think Is the honesty and "actitude" where this "thin line" becomes > "fat" . > I'm thinking in people like Ornette ,Miles ,Coltrane ,Herbie Hancock > or many others that touch this "thin line" in any time of his career . "You can play a shoestring if you're sincere." -- John Coltrane Probably, it takes a bit of skill with a shoestring too. I don't think you can be Thelonious Monk by randomly bashing the keyboard with sincerity. Best, Chris. ------------------- chris@mccormick.cx http://mccormick.cx From t_w_ at freenet.de Sun Sep 17 04:48:13 2006 From: t_w_ at freenet.de (Thorsten Wilms) Date: Sun Sep 17 04:49:02 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [songs] songs /songs/ In-Reply-To: <200609170051.44943.rj@spamatica.se> References: <200609132213.29872.rj@spamatica.se> <4509D3FA.4020008@linuxuse.de> <200609170051.44943.rj@spamatica.se> Message-ID: <20060917084813.GA5402@charly.SWORD> On Sun, Sep 17, 2006 at 12:51:44AM +0200, Robert Jonsson wrote: > > For those interested some updated songs: > http://spamatica.se/music/spamatica/default/spamatica_-_i_gotta_hand_it_to_you1.2.ogg Subtle change, but the bass behaves a bit better now :) > http://spamatica.se/music/spamatica/default/spamatica_-_ddb4.ogg A lot better. Mainly just volume adjustement? Anyway, it's right in your face like this track demands to be. > http://spamatica.se/music/spamatica/default/spamatica_-_bloodsimple1.2.ogg Like you took the carpet away it was burried under ;) The bass is still much stronger then I'm used to. -- Thorsten Wilms From pinojazz at gmail.com Sun Sep 17 07:46:52 2006 From: pinojazz at gmail.com (Carlos Pino) Date: Sun Sep 17 05:46:57 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [songs] songs /songs/ In-Reply-To: <20060917050552.GC11685@mccormick.cx> References: <200609132213.29872.rj@spamatica.se> <20060914095840.GA5438@charly.SWORD> <200609142016.43319.rj@spamatica.se> <450C89DB.3090903@gmail.com> <20060917050552.GC11685@mccormick.cx> Message-ID: <450D35AC.6060700@gmail.com> Chris McCormick escribi?: > On Sun, Sep 17, 2006 at 01:33:47AM +0200, Carlos Pino wrote: > >> Robert Jonsson escribi?: >> Just a thought about the jazz joke ( no enemies here ;-) ) , and that >> "thin line" that you talk about . >> I think Is the honesty and "actitude" where this "thin line" becomes >> "fat" . >> I'm thinking in people like Ornette ,Miles ,Coltrane ,Herbie Hancock >> or many others that touch this "thin line" in any time of his career . >> > > "You can play a shoestring if you're sincere." > -- John Coltrane > > Probably, it takes a bit of skill with a shoestring too. I don't think you > can be Thelonious Monk by randomly bashing the keyboard with sincerity. > > Best, > > Chris. > > ------------------- > chris@mccormick.cx > http://mccormick.cx > > Agree . Saludos . -- Carlos. From juuso.alasuutari at tamperelainen.org Sun Sep 17 08:54:06 2006 From: juuso.alasuutari at tamperelainen.org (juuso.alasuutari@tamperelainen.org) Date: Sun Sep 17 08:51:05 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] MusE controller patterns Message-ID: <1158497646.450d456e64c1c@cs1.alpha12.l-secure.net> I'm having trouble understanding the logic by which MusE records controller events. I want to: - Set all controllers to certain values in the beginning of a pattern, - record controller events for the pattern, for different controllers, - edit controller events by hand if necessary (now I can't even see them anywhere), - _not_ have the resonance knob jump to 100 % each time the loop starts over (???). I know about the program window in the bottom of the pianoroll. But I fail to realize how it works. What are all these different names? Can't I just specify a controller ID? I've gotten MusE to record my twiddlings, but I can't see any trace of it anywhere. When I press play the recorded controller events are repeated, but where can I edit them? And why does the resonance value violently change on loop return? (I was trying to drive the nekobee soft synth with MusE last night.) Hmm, I know it can't be this bad once I learn how to use it. Can someone please help? Thanks, Juuso ---------------------------------------------------------------- This mail sent through L-secure: http://www.l-secure.net/ From shahn at cs.tu-berlin.de Sun Sep 17 11:52:11 2006 From: shahn at cs.tu-berlin.de (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?S=F6nke_Hahn?=) Date: Sun Sep 17 11:52:24 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Video and sound Message-ID: <450D6F2B.2020801@cs.tu-berlin.de> Hi! I want to create sounds for a film a friend of mine is doing. So i wonder, if there is a video player that can be controlled via jack transport. I think, that would be the easiest way, cause i could just use jack capable sound apps and put the sound and the video together afterwards. Thanks, Soenke From idragosani at gmail.com Sun Sep 17 12:11:49 2006 From: idragosani at gmail.com (Brett W. McCoy) Date: Sun Sep 17 12:11:57 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Video and sound In-Reply-To: <450D6F2B.2020801@cs.tu-berlin.de> References: <450D6F2B.2020801@cs.tu-berlin.de> Message-ID: <18b65aac0609170911h7400db41ie5a91fba57a3544d@mail.gmail.com> On 9/17/06, S?nke Hahn wrote: > I want to create sounds for a film a friend of mine is doing. So i > wonder, if there is a video player that can be controlled via jack > transport. I think, that would be the easiest way, cause i could just > use jack capable sound apps and put the sound and the video together > afterwards. http://xjadeo.sourceforge.net/ xjadeo can be used to synch audio and video for post-production dubbing... but it's not a video editor. You will still need to composite and mix everything together, using Kino or even better, Cinelerra. -- Brett McCoy: Programmer by Day, Guitarist by Night http://www.alhazred.com http://www.cassandrasyndrome.com http://www.revelmoon.com From arnold.krille at gmail.com Sun Sep 17 14:12:57 2006 From: arnold.krille at gmail.com (Arnold Krille) Date: Sun Sep 17 14:13:05 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: songs /songs/ In-Reply-To: <200609170107.49095.rj@spamatica.se> References: <200609132213.29872.rj@spamatica.se> <2def88b80609161215n595b8eeeh1a7a74b462208d99@mail.gmail.com> <200609170107.49095.rj@spamatica.se> Message-ID: <2def88b80609171112m164188c0g5fa08a2b713f94a8@mail.gmail.com> Hi Robert, 2006/9/17, Robert Jonsson : > Yes, all the feedback have really taught me some new tricks and truths! > JAPA was a very nice tool to get a visual feel for it also. Yep, JAPA is great. I use it to calibrate PA's here. But more and more I learn not to rely on this apps and visualizers, because you will listen to the music and not see it. ;-) And a straight line in JAPA doesn't really tell you wether the bass (as an instrument) is to loud or that some frequencies from the guitar are to loud while it still fits into a linear spectrum of your music... So, mix with your ears and not with JAPA. And play around with the knobs and sliders to get the hang of it. ;-) Arnold -- visit http://dillenburg.dyndns.org/~arnold/ --- Wenn man mit Raubkopien Bands wie Brosis oder Britney Spears wirklich verhindern k?nnte, w?rde ich mir noch heute einen Stapel Brenner und einen Sack Rohlinge kaufen. From rj at spamatica.se Sun Sep 17 15:47:33 2006 From: rj at spamatica.se (Robert Jonsson) Date: Sun Sep 17 15:46:05 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [songs] songs /songs/ In-Reply-To: <20060917084813.GA5402@charly.SWORD> References: <200609132213.29872.rj@spamatica.se> <200609170051.44943.rj@spamatica.se> <20060917084813.GA5402@charly.SWORD> Message-ID: <200609172147.34042.rj@spamatica.se> Hi, On Sunday 17 September 2006 10:48, Thorsten Wilms wrote: > On Sun, Sep 17, 2006 at 12:51:44AM +0200, Robert Jonsson wrote: > > For those interested some updated songs: > > http://spamatica.se/music/spamatica/default/spamatica_-_i_gotta_hand_it_t > >o_you1.2.ogg > > Subtle change, but the bass behaves a bit better now :) Yes, the changes were small. Mainly I tried to cut in the 80-160 region, increased the lower region somewhat. > > > http://spamatica.se/music/spamatica/default/spamatica_-_ddb4.ogg > > A lot better. Mainly just volume adjustement? Mainly, but not only. I also added some highpass filter to the guitars to try to get them out of the "rumblebass" region. I couldn't leave the arrangement untouched either so there were some minor adjustments ;) The old version had some clicks on several audio tracks that I have tried to remove also. Lastly there was several compression artifacts from the mastering due to a bug in in the limiter used by jamin, this time I mastered with a patched limiter. > Anyway, it's right in your face like this track demands to be. > > > http://spamatica.se/music/spamatica/default/spamatica_-_bloodsimple1.2.og > >g > > Like you took the carpet away it was burried under ;) > The bass is still much stronger then I'm used to. Yes, possibly it's still too much. I did try to remove bass overall but I didn't like it. Basically I prefer it a bit bass heavy, it's indeed much more balanced in the new version though. I'm learning :) /Robert -- http://spamatica.se/musicsite/ From rj at spamatica.se Sun Sep 17 15:55:00 2006 From: rj at spamatica.se (Robert Jonsson) Date: Sun Sep 17 15:53:36 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [songs] songs /songs/ In-Reply-To: <200609141958.53884.rj@spamatica.se> References: <200609132213.29872.rj@spamatica.se> <20060913223452.GM2721@localhost> <200609141958.53884.rj@spamatica.se> Message-ID: <200609172155.00865.rj@spamatica.se> On Thursday 14 September 2006 19:58, Robert Jonsson wrote: > Hi, > > On Thursday 14 September 2006 00:34, Yves Potin wrote: > > Le 13 Sep ? 22:13, Robert Jonsson ecrivait: > > > Been a while since I posted any songs. I was under the impression that > > > I had nothing created, looks like I did anyway ;)... > > > Anyway, here goes, diverse to the point of total lack of focus. Judge > > > for yourself. > > > > Hi Robert, nice tracks :). > > I enjoyed listening to them, especially dd3, what do you use for > > the drums ? They sounds really nice and natural. I went back and checked and I used several soundfonts. "Xbert Drum Kit 9 v1.0" for kick and snare "nskit6 fullkit" for hihat "nskit6 crashandsplash" for cymbals Slightly reverberated. So, the effect tweaking I thought I had done was actually not so. And the nskit6 samples are very high quality. /Robert > > Are you sure ddb3 aka "Digital dark age blues" aka "The one note song" is > the one? The drums in that one are quite heavily tweaked with effects.. > natural was not what I was aiming for anyway ;-) > -- http://spamatica.se/musicsite/ From drobilla at connect.carleton.ca Sun Sep 17 15:56:40 2006 From: drobilla at connect.carleton.ca (Dave Robillard) Date: Sun Sep 17 15:56:58 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] lashifying everything In-Reply-To: <4506B298.1020202@boosthardware.com> References: <4506B298.1020202@boosthardware.com> Message-ID: <1158523000.19785.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Tue, 2006-09-12 at 20:14 +0700, Patrick Shirkey wrote: > With lashings of ginger beer! > > > So from my reading a few months back{ > > first I have to start writing my apps settings to an xml file; > > then I have to integrate lash into my app{ > to read the file and tell the lash server when the app > has made a change to the file; > } > } > > Is this the basic flow of events? LASH doesn't enforce any kind of file format on apps. Saving to an XML file is one option, but you can save whatever you want (including audio files, binary data, etc). Each applications gets a directory to save to, you may put (basically) whatever you need in that directory to save and restore a session exactly. Cheers, -DR- From yves_p at nnx.com Sun Sep 17 17:31:41 2006 From: yves_p at nnx.com (Yves Potin) Date: Sun Sep 17 17:31:49 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [songs] songs /songs/ In-Reply-To: <200609172155.00865.rj@spamatica.se> References: <200609132213.29872.rj@spamatica.se> <20060913223452.GM2721@localhost> <200609141958.53884.rj@spamatica.se> <200609172155.00865.rj@spamatica.se> Message-ID: <20060917213141.GN2721@localhost> Le 17 Sep ? 21:55, Robert Jonsson ecrivait: > I went back and checked and I used several soundfonts. > "Xbert Drum Kit 9 v1.0" for kick and snare > "nskit6 fullkit" for hihat > "nskit6 crashandsplash" for cymbals > Slightly reverberated. > > So, the effect tweaking I thought I had done was actually not so. And the > nskit6 samples are very high quality. Thanks for the info, I haven't heard about these soundfonts. I've listened to the last version of digital dark age blues (sorry for the typo in my last mail), I like this feeling even if I do, and normally listen to, really another kind of music :). For the sound of the drums, by ? natural ? I meant that the drums sound like drums, a real set :), with a snare, a hi hat and so on, and not like electronic percussions. It's always a pleasure for me to hear someone use such sounds. Cheers, Y. From fons.adriaensen at skynet.be Sun Sep 17 17:45:28 2006 From: fons.adriaensen at skynet.be (Fons Adriaensen) Date: Sun Sep 17 17:43:48 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: songs /songs/ In-Reply-To: <2def88b80609171112m164188c0g5fa08a2b713f94a8@mail.gmail.com> References: <200609132213.29872.rj@spamatica.se> <2def88b80609161215n595b8eeeh1a7a74b462208d99@mail.gmail.com> <200609170107.49095.rj@spamatica.se> <2def88b80609171112m164188c0g5fa08a2b713f94a8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20060917214528.GA6202@linux-1.site> On Sun, Sep 17, 2006 at 08:12:57PM +0200, Arnold Krille wrote: > Yep, JAPA is great. I use it to calibrate PA's here. I'm flattered :-) > But more and more > I learn not to rely on this apps and visualizers, because you will > listen to the music and not see it. ;-) > And a straight line in JAPA doesn't really tell you wether the bass > (as an instrument) is to loud or that some frequencies from the guitar > are to loud while it still fits into a linear spectrum of your > music... I agree 100% with this. Mixing should be done 'by ear' and nothing else. The only danger is that it takes very little time to get used to a bad spectral balance or some particular coloration, and almost always turning some filter gain up _seems_ to improve things. It takes some training or experience to avoid falling in this trap. Cheers, -- FA Lascia la spina, cogli la rosa. From atte.jensen at gmail.com Sun Sep 17 17:49:00 2006 From: atte.jensen at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Atte_Andr=E9_Jensen?=) Date: Sun Sep 17 17:50:41 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] noacpi, no sound In-Reply-To: <200609162145.24166.mista.tapas@gmx.net> References: <450BBA41.9000404@gmail.com> <200609162013.26992.mista.tapas@gmx.net> <450C51D7.4040102@gmail.com> <200609162145.24166.mista.tapas@gmx.net> Message-ID: <450DC2CC.1060406@gmail.com> Florian Schmidt wrote: > Nah. You didn't misunderstand me :) Right on! So i suppose it would be worth > checking the syslog and maybe dmesg for any suspicious messages. Strange. Now jack + audio works with noacpi. The joys of dist-upgrade, I guess... Anyways, it doesn't solve the problem. I also tried stopping acpid and acpi-support (init scripts in /etc/init.d) and it helps a bit, but not enough. -- peace, love & harmony Atte http://www.atte.dk | quartet: http://www.anagrammer.dk | compositions: http://www.atte.dk/compositions From folderol at ukfsn.org Sun Sep 17 18:05:24 2006 From: folderol at ukfsn.org (Folderol) Date: Sun Sep 17 18:05:25 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: songs /songs/ In-Reply-To: <20060917214528.GA6202@linux-1.site> References: <200609132213.29872.rj@spamatica.se> <2def88b80609161215n595b8eeeh1a7a74b462208d99@mail.gmail.com> <200609170107.49095.rj@spamatica.se> <2def88b80609171112m164188c0g5fa08a2b713f94a8@mail.gmail.com> <20060917214528.GA6202@linux-1.site> Message-ID: <20060917230524.137dcc64@localhost> On Sun, 17 Sep 2006 23:45:28 +0200 Fons Adriaensen wrote: > On Sun, Sep 17, 2006 at 08:12:57PM +0200, Arnold Krille wrote: > > > Yep, JAPA is great. I use it to calibrate PA's here. > > I'm flattered :-) > > > But more and more > > I learn not to rely on this apps and visualizers, because you will > > listen to the music and not see it. ;-) > > And a straight line in JAPA doesn't really tell you wether the bass > > (as an instrument) is to loud or that some frequencies from the guitar > > are to loud while it still fits into a linear spectrum of your > > music... > > I agree 100% with this. Mixing should be done 'by ear' and nothing else. > The only danger is that it takes very little time to get used to a bad > spectral balance or some particular coloration, and almost always turning > some filter gain up _seems_ to improve things. It takes some training > or experience to avoid falling in this trap. > > Cheers, I agree with that, but would add that when I get something laid down and think I'm satisfied with it, I then check it on a pair of average headphones, my home stereo, and the car CD player. This can be very revealing and is a real-world test. -- Will J G From shahn at cs.tu-berlin.de Sun Sep 17 20:45:59 2006 From: shahn at cs.tu-berlin.de (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?S=F6nke_Hahn?=) Date: Sun Sep 17 20:46:21 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Video and sound In-Reply-To: <18b65aac0609170911h7400db41ie5a91fba57a3544d@mail.gmail.com> References: <450D6F2B.2020801@cs.tu-berlin.de> <18b65aac0609170911h7400db41ie5a91fba57a3544d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <450DEC47.5080900@cs.tu-berlin.de> Thanks, that seems to be exactly what i wanted... Brett W. McCoy wrote: > On 9/17/06, S?nke Hahn wrote: > >> I want to create sounds for a film a friend of mine is doing. So i >> wonder, if there is a video player that can be controlled via jack >> transport. I think, that would be the easiest way, cause i could just >> use jack capable sound apps and put the sound and the video together >> afterwards. > > http://xjadeo.sourceforge.net/ > > xjadeo can be used to synch audio and video for post-production > dubbing... but it's not a video editor. You will still need to > composite and mix everything together, using Kino or even better, > Cinelerra. > From marcospcmusica at gmail.com Sun Sep 17 18:53:08 2006 From: marcospcmusica at gmail.com (Marcos Guglielmetti) Date: Sun Sep 17 23:50:33 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [OT] Happy Free Software meeting Message-ID: <200609180053.09150.marcospcmusica@gmail.com> A ver en los otros pa?ses si la pasan tan bien como en Argentina (la alegr?a es Argentina, jajaja) Hey, lets see: http://homes.ourproject.org/~vlad/fotos/trashumantes-y-solarenses?page=6 Here am I, between the people (the one with glasses) http://homes.ourproject.org/~vlad/fotos/trashumantes-y-solarenses/18_participantes http://homes.ourproject.org/~vlad/fotos/trashumantes-y-solarenses/DSC_3377 We eated "choripanes": http://homes.ourproject.org/~vlad/fotos/trashumantes-y-solarenses/DSC_3311 http://homes.ourproject.org/~vlad/fotos/trashumantes-y-solarenses/DSC_3292 Drink some "mates" (el Che Guevara tomaba mates... ): http://homes.ourproject.org/~vlad/fotos/trashumantes-y-solarenses/DSC_3283 http://homes.ourproject.org/~vlad/fotos/trashumantes-y-solarenses/DSC_3281 And, then "we" danced: http://homes.ourproject.org/~vlad/fotos/trashumantes-y-solarenses/DSC_3268 http://homes.ourproject.org/~vlad/fotos/trashumantes-y-solarenses/DSC_3269 (we have to incorporate this kind of womans into our movement! :-P ) And, sure, we talked about free software and popular education.... -- Marcos Guglielmetti * Director del desarrollo de Musix GNU+Linux, 100% Software Libre * CD Donwload: (http://www.musix.org.ar/en/) (www.pc-musica.com.ar/musix) * Videos, programas y otras cosas en: ftp://musix.ourproject.org/pub/musix/ * Reporte de errores a: https://www.musix.org.ar/wiki/index.php?title=Problemas-Bugs *IRC: #musix channel on freenode -- Marcos Guglielmetti * Director del desarrollo de Musix GNU+Linux, 100% Software Libre * CD Donwload: (http://www.musix.org.ar/en/) (www.pc-musica.com.ar/musix) * Videos, programas y otras cosas en: ftp://musix.ourproject.org/pub/musix/ * Reporte de errores a: https://www.musix.org.ar/wiki/index.php?title=Problemas-Bugs *IRC: #musix channel on freenode From wagi at monom.org Mon Sep 18 04:09:44 2006 From: wagi at monom.org (Daniel Wagner) Date: Mon Sep 18 04:09:53 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Ok, what about non firewire mobile cards? In-Reply-To: <450CDF9F.6060000@telus.net> References: <450CDF9F.6060000@telus.net> Message-ID: <450E5448.9030501@monom.org> Iain Duncan wrote: > Ack, I guess it's premature for firewire mobile audio on a dual boot > mactel. I really like the specs on the MOTU and RME firewire cards but > don't want to wait an unknown length of time for drivers... =( Jonathan Woithe has been working for a while to intergrate support for the MOTU Travaler into freebob. His reports suggest that he is not far away to get it stable working. This work will be part of the freebob release 2.x. But of course we have to release 1.x which is on hold until the next jack release... cheers, daniel From arnold.krille at gmail.com Mon Sep 18 05:37:04 2006 From: arnold.krille at gmail.com (Arnold Krille) Date: Mon Sep 18 05:37:16 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: songs /songs/ In-Reply-To: <20060917230524.137dcc64@localhost> References: <200609132213.29872.rj@spamatica.se> <2def88b80609161215n595b8eeeh1a7a74b462208d99@mail.gmail.com> <200609170107.49095.rj@spamatica.se> <2def88b80609171112m164188c0g5fa08a2b713f94a8@mail.gmail.com> <20060917214528.GA6202@linux-1.site> <20060917230524.137dcc64@localhost> Message-ID: <2def88b80609180237s1f44d915ub973c51b21e4b935@mail.gmail.com> 2006/9/18, Folderol : > On Sun, 17 Sep 2006 23:45:28 +0200 > Fons Adriaensen wrote: > > On Sun, Sep 17, 2006 at 08:12:57PM +0200, Arnold Krille wrote: > > > Yep, JAPA is great. I use it to calibrate PA's here. > > I'm flattered :-) Wishlist item: Noise generator (White and pink?) for JAPA! So I don't have to start JAAA too... > > > But more and more > > > I learn not to rely on this apps and visualizers, because you will > > > listen to the music and not see it. ;-) > > > And a straight line in JAPA doesn't really tell you wether the bass > > > (as an instrument) is to loud or that some frequencies from the guitar > > > are to loud while it still fits into a linear spectrum of your > > > music... > > I agree 100% with this. Mixing should be done 'by ear' and nothing else. > > The only danger is that it takes very little time to get used to a bad > > spectral balance or some particular coloration, and almost always turning > > some filter gain up _seems_ to improve things. It takes some training > > or experience to avoid falling in this trap. > I agree with that, but would add that when I get something laid down > and think I'm satisfied with it, I then check it on a pair of average > headphones, my home stereo, and the car CD player. This can be very > revealing and is a real-world test. I check my mix agin on the next day. And I listen to my normal music in between to get the feeling back... (Don't have a car or a normal home stereo.) Arnold -- visit http://dillenburg.dyndns.org/~arnold/ --- Wenn man mit Raubkopien Bands wie Brosis oder Britney Spears wirklich verhindern k?nnte, w?rde ich mir noch heute einen Stapel Brenner und einen Sack Rohlinge kaufen. From fons.adriaensen at skynet.be Mon Sep 18 06:04:08 2006 From: fons.adriaensen at skynet.be (Fons Adriaensen) Date: Mon Sep 18 06:02:40 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: songs /songs/ In-Reply-To: <2def88b80609180237s1f44d915ub973c51b21e4b935@mail.gmail.com> References: <200609132213.29872.rj@spamatica.se> <2def88b80609161215n595b8eeeh1a7a74b462208d99@mail.gmail.com> <200609170107.49095.rj@spamatica.se> <2def88b80609171112m164188c0g5fa08a2b713f94a8@mail.gmail.com> <20060917214528.GA6202@linux-1.site> <20060917230524.137dcc64@localhost> <2def88b80609180237s1f44d915ub973c51b21e4b935@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20060918100408.GA5804@linux-1.site> On Mon, Sep 18, 2006 at 11:37:04AM +0200, Arnold Krille wrote: > Wishlist item: Noise generator (White and pink?) for JAPA! So I don't > have to start JAAA too... There is a small command line JACK app generating white and pink noise available on my website. It will be built into JAPA in the next release. Normally you would use pink noise for PA equalisation. > I check my mix agin on the next day. And I listen to my normal music > in between to get the feeling back... (Don't have a car or a normal > home stereo.) A very good method IMHO. -- FA Lascia la spina, cogli la rosa. From kouhia at nic.funet.fi Mon Sep 18 06:30:02 2006 From: kouhia at nic.funet.fi (Juhana Sadeharju) Date: Mon Sep 18 06:30:11 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: sound recording application Message-ID: >rec 4hourrecording.wav & sleep 14400; killall -INTR rec Come on guys! We need better than that. And the suggestion to use of ardour remotely was a good start. I often need a recorder which records continuously to a 20 minutes file. When I come from a coffee and radio finishes playing a good song, I may just press a button and recording starts at 20 minutes past. Nothing missed. The same for TV/video. And what if disk comes full? How your simple recorder can switch the file? And what is the file size of the largest file? E.g., "ls" command in my Linux stops listing files larger than ~2 GB. Ardour as a recorder wonders me: does Ardour add a dither noise to the recording? The audio card may already add the dither and second dither only adds to the noise. Juhana -- http://music.columbia.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-graphics-dev for developers of open source graphics software From paul at linuxaudiosystems.com Mon Sep 18 10:15:45 2006 From: paul at linuxaudiosystems.com (Paul Davis) Date: Mon Sep 18 10:16:43 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: sound recording application In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1158588945.4691.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Mon, 2006-09-18 at 13:30 +0300, Juhana Sadeharju wrote: > Ardour as a recorder wonders me: does Ardour add a dither noise to > the recording? The audio card may already add the dither and second > dither only adds to the noise. no audio interface i have ever heard of does dithering. ardour does dithering only on export to a bit-reduced disk file (e.g. 16 bit sample format). ardour attempts (and generally succeeds) at being a perfect bits-in = bits-out. jack offers dithering options but only if the user requests them and even then only if the h/w format is bit-reduced from the implicit 24 bit format of 32 bit floating point. and of course, dithering by jack is only on output. --p From ivalladolidt at terra.es Mon Sep 18 11:11:38 2006 From: ivalladolidt at terra.es (Ismael Valladolid Torres) Date: Mon Sep 18 11:13:26 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: sound recording application In-Reply-To: <1158588945.4691.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1158588945.4691.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <20060918151138.GA6130@gmail.com> Paul Davis escribe: > no audio interface i have ever heard of does dithering. ardour does > dithering only on export to a bit-reduced disk file (e.g. 16 bit sample > format). ardour attempts (and generally succeeds) at being a perfect > bits-in = bits-out. jack offers dithering options but only if the user > requests them and even then only if the h/w format is bit-reduced from > the implicit 24 bit format of 32 bit floating point. and of course, > dithering by jack is only on output. I assume this makes no sense if I tell jackd to work at 16bit. BTW dithering should be considered a mastering trick. I humblely suggest forgetting about dithering except only when mastering. Cordially, Ismael -- Ismael Valladolid Torres "Il est vain de pleurer sur l'esprit, il suffit de travailler pour lui." Albert Camus http://digitrazos.info/ http://lamediahostia.blogspot.com/ OpenPGP key ID: 0xDE721AF4 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Digital signature Url : http://music.columbia.edu/pipermail/linux-audio-user/attachments/20060918/e9d6724a/attachment.bin From mathias.friman at knorca.se Mon Sep 18 13:08:06 2006 From: mathias.friman at knorca.se (Mathias Friman) Date: Mon Sep 18 13:08:25 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Jack Realtime - delay of xxx usecs exceeds estimated spare time of yyy restart ... Message-ID: <055ccdf98dde5f6afe1ba6af0729ddb5@knorca.se> Hi List! I have a bit of a problem with running Jack in Realtime under Ubuntu Dapper. I've put the appropriate lines in /etc/security/limits.conf, that is: @audio - rtprio 99 @audio - memlock 250000 @audio - nice -10 I'm a member of the audio-group and have a line as follows in my fstab none /tmp/jack tmpfs defaults 0 0 but i keep getting these lines from Jack: delay of xxx usecs exceeds estimated spare time of yyy restart ... repeat ad infinitum. My soundcard (an old crappy AC'97 compatible) shares IRQ 11 with eth0 and ath0 (not running). I got a tip to turn off ACPI, but that didn't help. What does this delay mean, and how could one avoid it? regards, Mathias From iainduncan at telus.net Mon Sep 18 20:05:18 2006 From: iainduncan at telus.net (Iain Duncan) Date: Mon Sep 18 13:09:23 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Ok, what about non firewire mobile cards? In-Reply-To: <450E5448.9030501@monom.org> References: <450CDF9F.6060000@telus.net> <450E5448.9030501@monom.org> Message-ID: <450F343E.4000700@telus.net> >> Ack, I guess it's premature for firewire mobile audio on a dual boot >> mactel. I really like the specs on the MOTU and RME firewire cards but >> don't want to wait an unknown length of time for drivers... =( > > Jonathan Woithe has been working for a while to intergrate support for > the MOTU Travaler into freebob. His reports suggest that he is not far > away to get it stable working. This work will be part of the freebob > release 2.x. But of course we have to release 1.x which is on hold until > the next jack release... Thanks. I picked up a Presonus Firepod instead, and actually it's better for my purposes anyway ( especially for the price ). I didn't really need all the bells and whistles on the MOTU and the 8 channels/8 preamps/8 knobs on the front is pretty nice. Will be trying it out with linux soon! Iain From rlrevell at joe-job.com Mon Sep 18 13:27:49 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Mon Sep 18 13:35:18 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Simplest MP3 player? Message-ID: <1158600469.27690.149.camel@mindpipe> Hello LAU, What's the smallest and simplest command line MP3 player available? I need it for testing an embedded system. It must be cross-compilable for PPC target. The fewer dependencies the better (ideally it would be self-contained). Lee From slothlove at gmail.com Mon Sep 18 13:28:24 2006 From: slothlove at gmail.com (Spencer Russell) Date: Mon Sep 18 13:37:03 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Ok, what about non firewire mobile cards? In-Reply-To: <450F343E.4000700@telus.net> References: <450CDF9F.6060000@telus.net> <450E5448.9030501@monom.org> <450F343E.4000700@telus.net> Message-ID: On 9/18/06, Iain Duncan wrote: > > Thanks. I picked up a Presonus Firepod instead, and actually it's better > for my purposes anyway ( especially for the price ). I didn't really > need all the bells and whistles on the MOTU and the 8 channels/8 > preamps/8 knobs on the front is pretty nice. > > Will be trying it out with linux soon! > Iain > Please let us know how it works out. I've been thinking of trading in my Echo Layla unit for a firepod because I'd like to have the pres all in one package. So far I've heard only good things about the Firepod, both in terms of Linux compatibility and general quality. -spencer From steve at hassard.net Mon Sep 18 14:26:52 2006 From: steve at hassard.net (Stephen Hassard) Date: Mon Sep 18 14:34:38 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Simplest MP3 player? In-Reply-To: <1158600469.27690.149.camel@mindpipe> References: <1158600469.27690.149.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <450EE4EC.1010002@hassard.net> Lee Revell wrote: > What's the smallest and simplest command line MP3 player available? I > need it for testing an embedded system. It must be cross-compilable for > PPC target. The fewer dependencies the better (ideally it would be > self-contained). I've personally had very good experiences with mpg321 .. http://mpg321.depooter.org/project/ later, Steve From florin at andrei.myip.org Mon Sep 18 14:58:37 2006 From: florin at andrei.myip.org (Florin Andrei) Date: Mon Sep 18 15:03:04 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Simplest MP3 player? In-Reply-To: <1158600469.27690.149.camel@mindpipe> References: <1158600469.27690.149.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <1158605917.30432.4.camel@stantz.corp.sgi.com> On Mon, 2006-09-18 at 13:27 -0400, Lee Revell wrote: > > What's the smallest and simplest command line MP3 player available? I > need it for testing an embedded system. It must be cross-compilable for > PPC target. The fewer dependencies the better (ideally it would be > self-contained). $ ldd /usr/bin/mpg321 linux-gate.so.1 => (0x45365000) libid3tag.so.0 => /usr/lib/libid3tag.so.0 (0x45510000) libmad.so.0 => /usr/lib/libmad.so.0 (0x469e3000) libz.so.1 => /usr/lib/libz.so.1 (0x454e5000) libao.so.2 => /usr/lib/libao.so.2 (0x45577000) libdl.so.2 => /lib/libdl.so.2 (0x454df000) libc.so.6 => /lib/libc.so.6 (0x45383000) libpthread.so.0 => /lib/libpthread.so.0 (0x454fa000) /lib/ld-linux.so.2 (0x45366000) $ ls -lh /usr/bin/mpg321 -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 47K Mar 14 2006 /usr/bin/mpg321 $ file /usr/bin/mpg321 /usr/bin/mpg321: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, Intel 80386, version 1 (SYSV), for GNU/Linux 2.6.9, dynamically linked (uses shared libs), for GNU/Linux 2.6.9, stripped I'm pretty sure those dependencies can be trimmed off even further, the exe made static, etc. -- Florin Andrei http://florin.myip.org/ From atte.jensen at gmail.com Mon Sep 18 15:01:57 2006 From: atte.jensen at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Atte_Andr=E9_Jensen?=) Date: Mon Sep 18 15:06:36 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] autotune in ardour Message-ID: <450EED25.6020004@gmail.com> Hi My singing is not at good as it could be, but I'd still like to do some demo tracks. Is there anything out there that will autotune my voice, maybe in the form of a ladspa plugin, for use in ardour? Should mention that I've never used anything of this kind before and all my recent recording experience is under linux with ardour... -- peace, love & harmony Atte http://www.atte.dk | quartet: http://www.anagrammer.dk | compositions: http://www.atte.dk/compositions From a at gaydenko.com Mon Sep 18 15:09:06 2006 From: a at gaydenko.com (Andrew Gaydenko) Date: Mon Sep 18 15:10:50 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [ANN] QLoud v.0.16 - no CVS-trees dependency now Message-ID: <200609182309.06520@goldspace.net> QLoud is a tool to measure loudspeaker frequency response. Find it here: http://gaydenko.com/qloud/ Uwe has released Qwt v.5.0.0rc0. As a result, QLoud doesn't depend on any CVS tree now. v.0.16 is out - INSTALL is changed to be in accordance with Qwt development. Also, min. smoothing was reduced to 1/1024 :-) If you already use the app, you can stay with v.0.15 (no bugs were found). If you have rejected the app because of Qwt CVS-tree dependency - try it now :-) Andrew From tszilagyi at users.sourceforge.net Mon Sep 18 15:15:29 2006 From: tszilagyi at users.sourceforge.net (Tom Szilagyi) Date: Mon Sep 18 15:15:07 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Simplest MP3 player? In-Reply-To: <1158600469.27690.149.camel@mindpipe> References: <1158600469.27690.149.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <20060918191529.GA5017@r51> On Mon, Sep 18, 2006 at 01:27:49PM -0400, Lee Revell wrote: > Hello LAU, > > What's the smallest and simplest command line MP3 player available? I > need it for testing an embedded system. It must be cross-compilable for > PPC target. The fewer dependencies the better (ideally it would be > self-contained). madplay using MAD audio decoder library. http://www.underbit.com/products/mad/ http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=12349 AFAIK madplay doesn't need anything besides MAD itself. And MAD is suitable for being built on embedded targets. It doesn't even need an FPU. HTH, Tom From tdhoward at gmail.com Mon Sep 18 15:34:12 2006 From: tdhoward at gmail.com (Tim Howard) Date: Mon Sep 18 15:34:22 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] autotune in ardour In-Reply-To: <450EED25.6020004@gmail.com> References: <450EED25.6020004@gmail.com> Message-ID: On 9/18/06, Atte Andr? Jensen wrote: > My singing is not at good as it could be, but I'd still like to do some > demo tracks. Is there anything out there that will autotune my voice, > maybe in the form of a ladspa plugin, for use in ardour? Should mention > that I've never used anything of this kind before and all my recent > recording experience is under linux with ardour... > Look up the LADSPA plugin, "phase-vocoder based pitch shifter" (or something like that), which does a quite good job at very slight tuning adjustments. It is completely manual, though, so you have to edit the plugin automation in Ardour for best results. I have done this on one song, and had reasonable results, but it took a lot of effort. Let me know off-list if you want to hear the before and after... -TimH From phil at rephil.org Mon Sep 18 15:53:55 2006 From: phil at rephil.org (Phil Mendelsohn) Date: Mon Sep 18 15:58:55 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: sound recording application In-Reply-To: <20060918190646.B55962F50CCA@music.columbia.edu> References: <20060918190646.B55962F50CCA@music.columbia.edu> Message-ID: <60955.204.16.146.78.1158609235.squirrel@webmail.non-prophet.org> linux-audio-user-request@music.columbia.edu said: > From: Paul Davis > "no audio interface i have ever heard of does dithering." --- > From: Ismael Valladolid Torres > > "BTW dithering should be considered a mastering trick. I humblely > suggest forgetting about dithering except only when mastering." --- I'll pick a nit here: Dithering happens at the A/D converter. I've never heard of an interface that didn't have it, but that's talking about it at the circuit (sub IC) level. It is in every audio interface you can find outside of a museum, I'd say. *REDITHERING* is what happens in mastering -- you work at higher resolution than your delivery format (16-bit CD, usually), and then dither back at the end. Phil M -- "To misattribute a quote is unforgiveable." --Anonymous From atte.jensen at gmail.com Mon Sep 18 15:57:43 2006 From: atte.jensen at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Atte_Andr=E9_Jensen?=) Date: Mon Sep 18 16:02:22 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] autotune in ardour In-Reply-To: References: <450EED25.6020004@gmail.com> Message-ID: <450EFA37.8010500@gmail.com> Tim Howard wrote: > Look up the LADSPA plugin, "phase-vocoder based pitch shifter" (or > something like that), which does a quite good job at very slight > tuning adjustments. It is completely manual, though, so you have to > edit the plugin automation in Ardour for best results. So it could be called "manualtune"? :-) Well (as I mentioned) I've never used any autotune, but was hoping for a magical "make my singing in tune" plugin. I'm affraid too much efford won't be worth it, since we're strictly talking demoing a melody for real singer to record... -- peace, love & harmony Atte http://www.atte.dk | quartet: http://www.anagrammer.dk | compositions: http://www.atte.dk/compositions From nickycopeland at hotmail.com Mon Sep 18 16:03:49 2006 From: nickycopeland at hotmail.com (Nick Copeland) Date: Mon Sep 18 16:06:16 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] ANN: bristol 0.9.5-60 Message-ID: Bristol has been updated with a user configurable ARP 2600 synth. It has the usual pre-patching as the original and, additionally, outputs can be redirected to arbitrary inputs. This was a few changes to bristol to adjust the engine buffer management for data that may feed back on itself, and additionally a few extra operators for electroswitches, reverb and ring-mod, etc. The envelope follower has not been tested at all and not all the patch possibilities either as there are honestly too many to go through - about 600 possibilities with just a single cable. The biggest changes were in the GUI. To support the user patches an extra layer was added for their representation, then this was converted into a transparency layer so the cables can be layered over the GUI to allow control of the parameters without them 'getting in the way', then the cables were coloured perhaps somewhat randomly - yellow patches carry signal left to right, red cables carry signal right to left when see from the user interface. Once that was done I put in a cheesy watermarked logo - you can clear it with the 'l' key or use the '-logo' option on the command line, but the effect was too good to miss out on. The transparency can be toggled with the 't' key to allow you to foreground and background the layer, and 'o'/'O' will adjust the depth of opacity. Load memory number 17, and play with the 'o' and 't' keys to get a feel for how the interface works. To patch, select an output (the jack sockets light up for outputs) and then select an input (these are just 'momentary'). This will direct the new engine routing algorithm for each voice and then paint in the GUI. To clear a patch just select either jack socket at the cable ends. The net output of the synth is reminiscent of the sounds from the BBC Radiophonic Workshop's greatest ever hit - the theme tune to 'Dr Who'. If you don't know what that is don't worry, it's perhaps a bit obscure. The original was composed on the elder brother of this synth - the ARP 2500 of which the BBC had a few, so the results came as a pleasant surprise. Graphics can be seen on the sourceforge homepage. Downloads as well of course. https://sourceforge.net/project/screenshots.php?group_id=157415 Regards, Nick. _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ From rlrevell at joe-job.com Mon Sep 18 16:08:58 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Mon Sep 18 16:08:18 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] autotune in ardour In-Reply-To: <450EFA37.8010500@gmail.com> References: <450EED25.6020004@gmail.com> <450EFA37.8010500@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1158610138.27690.169.camel@mindpipe> On Mon, 2006-09-18 at 21:57 +0200, Atte Andr? Jensen wrote: > Tim Howard wrote: > > > Look up the LADSPA plugin, "phase-vocoder based pitch shifter" (or > > something like that), which does a quite good job at very slight > > tuning adjustments. It is completely manual, though, so you have to > > edit the plugin automation in Ardour for best results. > > So it could be called "manualtune"? :-) > > Well (as I mentioned) I've never used any autotune, but was hoping for a > magical "make my singing in tune" plugin. I'm affraid too much efford > won't be worth it, since we're strictly talking demoing a melody for > real singer to record... > I asked this question on the list a while back and the consensus was that such a thing does not exist. Lee From tdhoward at gmail.com Mon Sep 18 16:11:13 2006 From: tdhoward at gmail.com (Tim Howard) Date: Mon Sep 18 16:11:21 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] autotune in ardour In-Reply-To: <450EFA37.8010500@gmail.com> References: <450EED25.6020004@gmail.com> <450EFA37.8010500@gmail.com> Message-ID: On 9/18/06, Atte Andr? Jensen wrote: > Tim Howard wrote: > > tuning adjustments. It is completely manual, though, so you have to > > edit the plugin automation in Ardour for best results. > > So it could be called "manualtune"? :-) Of course, after you set up the automation, it "automanually" plays the same way every time... :-) From cesare at poeticstudios.com Mon Sep 18 18:26:29 2006 From: cesare at poeticstudios.com (Cesare Marilungo) Date: Mon Sep 18 16:26:50 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] autotune in ardour In-Reply-To: References: <450EED25.6020004@gmail.com> <450EFA37.8010500@gmail.com> Message-ID: <450F1D15.1040407@poeticstudios.com> Tim Howard wrote: > On 9/18/06, Atte Andr? Jensen wrote: > >> Tim Howard wrote: >> > tuning adjustments. It is completely manual, though, so you have to >> > edit the plugin automation in Ardour for best results. >> >> So it could be called "manualtune"? :-) > > > Of course, after you set up the automation, it "automanually" plays > the same way every time... :-) > > You can also write a trivial PureData patch where you send the audio of your singing to some fft pitch detection object (like aubiopitch~ from the aubio library), constraint the pitch to the scale in which you're singining, and route the output of this object to the pitch parameter of the mentioned ladspa plugin. With a low pass filter on the output of the pitch detection object you can adjust the sensitivity of the correction. This is how autotune works, in my understanding. c. -- www.cesaremarilungo.com On the Internet, no one knows you're using Windows NT -- Submitted by Ramiro Estrugo, restrugo@fateware.com From rlrevell at joe-job.com Mon Sep 18 16:48:11 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Mon Sep 18 16:53:46 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Simplest MP3 player? In-Reply-To: <450EE4EC.1010002@hassard.net> References: <1158600469.27690.149.camel@mindpipe> <450EE4EC.1010002@hassard.net> Message-ID: <1158612492.27690.176.camel@mindpipe> On Mon, 2006-09-18 at 11:26 -0700, Stephen Hassard wrote: > Lee Revell wrote: > > What's the smallest and simplest command line MP3 player available? I > > need it for testing an embedded system. It must be cross-compilable for > > PPC target. The fewer dependencies the better (ideally it would be > > self-contained). > > I've personally had very good experiences with mpg321 .. > > http://mpg321.depooter.org/project/ > Are you kidding? mpg321 is a KDE app! $ mpg321 amenable.mp3 Creating link /home/rlrevell/.kde/socket-mindpipe. can't create mcop directory No way... Lee From steve at hassard.net Mon Sep 18 17:05:19 2006 From: steve at hassard.net (Stephen Hassard) Date: Mon Sep 18 17:05:30 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Simplest MP3 player? In-Reply-To: <1158612492.27690.176.camel@mindpipe> References: <1158600469.27690.149.camel@mindpipe> <450EE4EC.1010002@hassard.net> <1158612492.27690.176.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <450F0A0F.8000203@hassard.net> Lee Revell wrote: > Are you kidding? mpg321 is a KDE app! > > $ mpg321 amenable.mp3 > Creating link /home/rlrevell/.kde/socket-mindpipe. > can't create mcop directory > > No way... It's probably because mpg321 was built against libao w/ ESD support enabled. I'd just compile it without ESD support and you should be fine. http://www.xiph.org/ao/ later, Steve From slothlove at gmail.com Mon Sep 18 17:08:32 2006 From: slothlove at gmail.com (Spencer Russell) Date: Mon Sep 18 17:08:51 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] autotune in ardour In-Reply-To: <450EFA37.8010500@gmail.com> References: <450EED25.6020004@gmail.com> <450EFA37.8010500@gmail.com> Message-ID: On 9/18/06, Atte Andr? Jensen wrote: > > Well (as I mentioned) I've never used any autotune, but was hoping for a > magical "make my singing in tune" plugin. I'm affraid too much efford > won't be worth it, since we're strictly talking demoing a melody for > real singer to record... > A while ago I was thinking of the best way to implement some sort of autotune-like program, and this is what I came up with: The user would import the sound file in question, and the program would display a spectrogram ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Spectrogram_of_violin.png ) with horizontal lines superimposed that indicate the frequencies of the equal-tempered 12 half-step scale that most of us are used to. Then the user could easily add points to define an automation curve like in Ardour, and see in real time how it effects the spectrogram, to line up the fundemental frequency peaks with the right notes. Then they just export the pitch-corrected file. I'm not much of a programmer, but it seems like there are libraries to do most of the necessary functions, with probably the hardest thing being the real-time updating of the FFT display. Seems like it could be a useful little tool. Also, I found a free VST autotuner for Windows called gsnap that seems to be pretty cool. If you have VST working in linux you might be able to use it: http://www.gvst.co.uk/gsnap.htm -spencer From fons.adriaensen at skynet.be Mon Sep 18 17:19:07 2006 From: fons.adriaensen at skynet.be (Fons Adriaensen) Date: Mon Sep 18 17:17:54 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Simplest MP3 player? In-Reply-To: <450F0A0F.8000203@hassard.net> References: <1158600469.27690.149.camel@mindpipe> <450EE4EC.1010002@hassard.net> <1158612492.27690.176.camel@mindpipe> <450F0A0F.8000203@hassard.net> Message-ID: <20060918211907.GA5890@linux-1.site> On Mon, Sep 18, 2006 at 02:05:19PM -0700, Stephen Hassard wrote: > Are you kidding? mpg321 is a KDE app! I've always known it as a command line app, until it apparently disappeared in SuSE 10.0. -- FA Lascia la spina, cogli la rosa. From k.s.matheussen at notam02.no Mon Sep 18 17:52:47 2006 From: k.s.matheussen at notam02.no (Kjetil Svalastog Matheussen) Date: Mon Sep 18 17:58:36 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: sound recording application In-Reply-To: <20060918103021.7E8352F2F095@music.columbia.edu> References: <20060918103021.7E8352F2F095@music.columbia.edu> Message-ID: Juhana Sadeharju: >>rec 4hourrecording.wav & sleep 14400; killall -INTR rec > >Come on guys! > >We need better than that. And the suggestion to use of ardour >remotely was a good start. Use jack_capture. Just change the fgets call into a sleep call. jack_capture should be just as safe as ardour for recording. >And what if disk comes full? How your simple recorder can switch >the file? And what is the file size of the largest file? E.g., "ls" >command in my Linux stops listing files larger than ~2 GB. If the disk becomes full, the recording is stopped and the recorded file contains all data recorded upto that point. From k.s.matheussen at notam02.no Mon Sep 18 19:02:11 2006 From: k.s.matheussen at notam02.no (Kjetil Svalastog Matheussen) Date: Mon Sep 18 19:02:30 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [ANN] SND-ls V0.9.7.0 Message-ID: Download from http://ccrma.stanford.edu/~kjetil/src/ Snd-ls is a distribution of Bill Schottstaedt's sound editor SND. Its target is people that don't know scheme very well, and don't want to spend too much time configuring Snd. It can also serve as a quick introduction to Snd and how it can be set up. Changes 0.9.6.2 -> 0.9.7.0 --------------------------- -Updated Snd from 8.0/2.4.2006 to 8.4/13.9.2006. Many important fixes. -Added --fast-math as default cflags option. -Various fixes. From jeremy at chaos.org.uk Tue Sep 19 01:11:19 2006 From: jeremy at chaos.org.uk (Jeremy Henty) Date: Tue Sep 19 01:12:34 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Simplest MP3 player? In-Reply-To: <20060918211907.GA5890@linux-1.site> References: <1158600469.27690.149.camel@mindpipe> <450EE4EC.1010002@hassard.net> <1158612492.27690.176.camel@mindpipe> <450F0A0F.8000203@hassard.net> <20060918211907.GA5890@linux-1.site> Message-ID: <20060919051119.GF2391@omphalos.onepoint> On Mon, Sep 18, 2006 at 11:19:07PM +0200, Fons Adriaensen wrote: > On Mon, Sep 18, 2006 at 02:05:19PM -0700, Stephen Hassard wrote: > > > Are you kidding? mpg321 is a KDE app! > > I've always known it as a command line app, Same here. BTW, mpg321 was a free replacement for mpg123 . It hasn't been updated since early 2002. Meanwhile mpg123 development has restarted and its now LGPL. I used to run mpg321 because mpg123 wasn't free (as in libre) but now I've switched back to mpg123 . Regards, Jeremy Henty From loki.davison at gmail.com Tue Sep 19 01:37:52 2006 From: loki.davison at gmail.com (Loki Davison) Date: Tue Sep 19 01:37:59 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Where to do a computer music related PhD Message-ID: I'm currently searching for somewhere to do a computer music related PhD (Doctorate) and i'm wondering if anyone on LAU has any ideas or useful contacts. I have a few different ideas for a topic and i'm open to working on an already existing topic as well as my own. I'm especially interested in human computer interaction in computer music. I just got a letter back from the aussie uni I applied for saying they arn't taking any new PhD students for 2007... so on the search again. :) Loki From cladisch at fastmail.net Tue Sep 19 02:45:38 2006 From: cladisch at fastmail.net (Clemens Ladisch) Date: Tue Sep 19 02:45:44 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Simplest MP3 player? In-Reply-To: <1158600469.27690.149.camel@mindpipe> References: <1158600469.27690.149.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <1158648338.13980.271266694@webmail.messagingengine.com> Lee Revell: > What's the smallest and simplest command line MP3 player available? I > need it for testing an embedded system. It must be cross-compilable for > PPC target. The fewer dependencies the better (ideally it would be > self-contained). mpg123 has no dependencies (except for the audio output libraries). HTH Clemens From _ at whats-your.name Tue Sep 19 02:52:41 2006 From: _ at whats-your.name (carmen) Date: Tue Sep 19 02:52:51 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Where to do a computer music related PhD In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20060919065241.GA27962@replic.net> On Tue Sep 19, 2006 at 03:37:52PM +1000, Loki Davison wrote: > I'm currently searching for somewhere to do a computer music related > PhD (Doctorate) and i'm wondering if anyone on LAU has any ideas or > useful contacts. I have a few different ideas for a topic and i'm open > to working on an already existing topic as well as my own. I'm > especially interested in human computer interaction in computer music. > I just got a letter back from the aussie uni I applied for saying they > arn't taking any new PhD students for 2007... so on the search again. there was recently a thread about this on pd-list > :) > > Loki > From shakti at bayarea.net Tue Sep 19 03:20:47 2006 From: shakti at bayarea.net (Tracey Hytry) Date: Tue Sep 19 03:21:01 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] ANN: bristol 0.9.5-60 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20060919002047.ff088e50.shakti@bayarea.net> -downloaded 0.9.5-60 -read the directions -built it on FC5 -tested a few of the synth models using jack and an external midi keyboard -so far, so good -need to spend some time testing your newest models -thanks Tracey From florin at andrei.myip.org Tue Sep 19 04:35:00 2006 From: florin at andrei.myip.org (Florin Andrei) Date: Tue Sep 19 04:35:26 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Simplest MP3 player? In-Reply-To: <1158612492.27690.176.camel@mindpipe> References: <1158600469.27690.149.camel@mindpipe> <450EE4EC.1010002@hassard.net> <1158612492.27690.176.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <1158654900.2677.2.camel@rivendell.home.local> On Mon, 2006-09-18 at 16:48 -0400, Lee Revell wrote: > Are you kidding? mpg321 is a KDE app! > > $ mpg321 amenable.mp3 > Creating link /home/rlrevell/.kde/socket-mindpipe. > can't create mcop directory No, that's probably just your particular version / build. -- Florin Andrei http://florin.myip.org/ From debian at fastwebnet.it Tue Sep 19 05:32:42 2006 From: debian at fastwebnet.it (Antonio) Date: Tue Sep 19 05:37:36 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] autotune in ardour In-Reply-To: References: <450EED25.6020004@gmail.com> <450EFA37.8010500@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20060919113242.774e8964@fulmine> Mon, 18 Sep 2006 17:08:32 -0400 "Spencer Russell" ha scritto: > On 9/18/06, Atte Andr? Jensen wrote: > > > > Well (as I mentioned) I've never used any autotune, but was hoping > > for a magical "make my singing in tune" plugin. I'm affraid too > > much efford won't be worth it, since we're strictly talking demoing > > a melody for real singer to record... > > > > A while ago I was thinking of the best way to implement some sort of > autotune-like program, and this is what I came up with: > > The user would import the sound file in question, and the program > would display a spectrogram ( > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Spectrogram_of_violin.png ) with > horizontal lines superimposed that indicate the frequencies of the > equal-tempered 12 half-step scale that most of us are used to. Then > the user could easily add points to define an automation curve like in > Ardour, and see in real time how it effects the spectrogram, to line > up the fundemental frequency peaks with the right notes. Then they > just export the pitch-corrected file. > > I'm not much of a programmer, but it seems like there are libraries to > do most of the necessary functions, with probably the hardest thing > being the real-time updating of the FFT display. Seems like it could > be a useful little tool. Baudline (http://www.baudline.com/) has a very good realtime spectrogram visualiser. It also has the ability to see the "harmonics guidelines", and a lot of very useful tools to accurately measure the fundamental (among other things). It's really a great tool for frequency-domain (but also time-domain) analysis. The only thing it lacks is the ability to _edit_ the file in a visual manner. One kind of editing could be the autotuning feature as you suggested. Another one would be the ability to edit the spectrogram with brushes, like a photo-editing program. If only some programmer would care to create a such tools would be very very useful ;-). Sorry if I went OT. Cheer, ~ Antonio From ivalladolidt at terra.es Tue Sep 19 06:45:43 2006 From: ivalladolidt at terra.es (Ismael Valladolid Torres) Date: Tue Sep 19 06:49:48 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Qjackctl: Too many Writable Clients Message-ID: <20060919104543.GA6110@gmail.com> When using qjackctl to launch jackd, in my list of writable clients I see 6 playback devices. I am using my mobo's internal soundcard which has only a stereo output. But if I check ALSA devices, information seems to be correct: $ cat /proc/asound/devices 0: [ 0] : control 1: : sequencer 16: [ 0- 0]: digital audio playback 18: [ 0- 2]: digital audio playback 24: [ 0- 0]: digital audio capture 25: [ 0- 1]: digital audio capture 33: : timer Why jackd registers more devices than those made available by ALSA? Any pointers? Cordially, Ismael -- Ismael Valladolid Torres "Il est vain de pleurer sur l'esprit, il suffit de travailler pour lui." Albert Camus http://digitrazos.info/ http://lamediahostia.blogspot.com/ OpenPGP key ID: 0xDE721AF4 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Digital signature Url : http://music.columbia.edu/pipermail/linux-audio-user/attachments/20060919/676b2cdc/attachment.bin From dlphillips at woh.rr.com Tue Sep 19 07:22:47 2006 From: dlphillips at woh.rr.com (Dave Phillips) Date: Tue Sep 19 07:00:28 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Wine introduces ASIO support In-Reply-To: <001e01c6cdd0$7e5d8e70$3402a8c0@64BitBadass> References: <001e01c6cdd0$7e5d8e70$3402a8c0@64BitBadass> Message-ID: <450FD307.20207@woh.rr.com> Greetings: Is anyone else on this list testing this driver ? If so, please let me know, I'm having problems getting WINE to recognize it. Best, dp From zettberlin at linuxuse.de Tue Sep 19 08:26:15 2006 From: zettberlin at linuxuse.de (Hartmut Noack) Date: Tue Sep 19 08:28:57 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Qjackctl: Too many Writable Clients In-Reply-To: <20060919104543.GA6110@gmail.com> References: <20060919104543.GA6110@gmail.com> Message-ID: <450FE1E7.7000604@linuxuse.de> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Ismael Valladolid Torres schrieb: > Why jackd registers more devices than those made available by ALSA? > Any pointers? very likely, because your soundcard has a chipset, that provides these. To save costs, many different soundcards are build with the same chipset, high-price, pro-cards have DA/AD-converters for all digital channels of the chipset (and thus analogue in/outs for all channels) cheaper cards with the same chip come with only 2 or 5 converters for the digital ports on the chipset. Classy DA/AD-converters are expensive, you can make great recordings with a card with 2 decent converters and crappy noise with another card that connects the same chipset to cheapo-converters. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFFD+Hn1Aecwva1SWMRAv6fAJ9Zmdk9nag+/rkgFYbL7rWR3nTBLQCdFkbb zoLmfUZRvpPdu/tx52uhr70= =bqYN -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From markknecht at gmail.com Tue Sep 19 09:48:40 2006 From: markknecht at gmail.com (Mark Knecht) Date: Tue Sep 19 09:55:01 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Where to do a computer music related PhD In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5bdc1c8b0609190648m7a41cd22i1ddab94ec5ce5273@mail.gmail.com> Stanford at CCRMA? Contact Fernando I suppose. http://ccrma.stanford.edu/ I guess he doesn't call it PlanetCCRMA for nothing, right? ;-) - Mark On 9/18/06, Loki Davison wrote: > I'm currently searching for somewhere to do a computer music related > PhD (Doctorate) and i'm wondering if anyone on LAU has any ideas or > useful contacts. I have a few different ideas for a topic and i'm open > to working on an already existing topic as well as my own. I'm > especially interested in human computer interaction in computer music. > I just got a letter back from the aussie uni I applied for saying they > arn't taking any new PhD students for 2007... so on the search again. > :) > > Loki > From loki.davison at gmail.com Tue Sep 19 10:18:16 2006 From: loki.davison at gmail.com (Loki Davison) Date: Tue Sep 19 10:19:29 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Where to do a computer music related PhD In-Reply-To: <5bdc1c8b0609190648m7a41cd22i1ddab94ec5ce5273@mail.gmail.com> References: <5bdc1c8b0609190648m7a41cd22i1ddab94ec5ce5273@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On 9/19/06, Mark Knecht wrote: > Stanford at CCRMA? Contact Fernando I suppose. > > http://ccrma.stanford.edu/ > > I guess he doesn't call it PlanetCCRMA for nothing, right? ;-) > > - Mark > > On 9/18/06, Loki Davison wrote: > > I'm currently searching for somewhere to do a computer music related > > PhD (Doctorate) and i'm wondering if anyone on LAU has any ideas or > > useful contacts. I have a few different ideas for a topic and i'm open > > to working on an already existing topic as well as my own. I'm > > especially interested in human computer interaction in computer music. > > I just got a letter back from the aussie uni I applied for saying they > > arn't taking any new PhD students for 2007... so on the search again. > > :) > > > > Loki > > > The thread on the pure data list mentions a few American uni's but not many elsewhere. What is finding funding like in any of these uni's? I'd prefer a funded place as working at the same time except for lecturing/tutoring sound impractical. Does anyone know options for the rest of the world or contacts I can chat too? I could just pester random people but it would be great if i could narrow the search ;) Loki From rlrevell at joe-job.com Tue Sep 19 10:30:32 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Tue Sep 19 10:29:28 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Simplest MP3 player? In-Reply-To: <1158654900.2677.2.camel@rivendell.home.local> References: <1158600469.27690.149.camel@mindpipe> <450EE4EC.1010002@hassard.net> <1158612492.27690.176.camel@mindpipe> <1158654900.2677.2.camel@rivendell.home.local> Message-ID: <1158676233.27690.251.camel@mindpipe> On Tue, 2006-09-19 at 01:35 -0700, Florin Andrei wrote: > On Mon, 2006-09-18 at 16:48 -0400, Lee Revell wrote: > > > Are you kidding? mpg321 is a KDE app! > > > > $ mpg321 amenable.mp3 > > Creating link /home/rlrevell/.kde/socket-mindpipe. > > can't create mcop directory > > No, that's probably just your particular version / build. > Thanks, I'll report this as a bug to the Ubuntu people. Seems silly to ship these with KDE dependencies. Lee From rlrevell at joe-job.com Tue Sep 19 10:31:11 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Tue Sep 19 10:30:53 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Simplest MP3 player? In-Reply-To: <20060918191529.GA5017@r51> References: <1158600469.27690.149.camel@mindpipe> <20060918191529.GA5017@r51> Message-ID: <1158676271.27690.253.camel@mindpipe> On Mon, 2006-09-18 at 21:15 +0200, Tom Szilagyi wrote: > On Mon, Sep 18, 2006 at 01:27:49PM -0400, Lee Revell wrote: > > Hello LAU, > > > > What's the smallest and simplest command line MP3 player available? I > > need it for testing an embedded system. It must be cross-compilable for > > PPC target. The fewer dependencies the better (ideally it would be > > self-contained). > > madplay using MAD audio decoder library. > http://www.underbit.com/products/mad/ > http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=12349 > > AFAIK madplay doesn't need anything besides MAD itself. > And MAD is suitable for being built on embedded targets. > It doesn't even need an FPU. Thanks, this worked perfectly, no problems at all. Lee From mdeboer at iua.upf.edu Tue Sep 19 10:56:28 2006 From: mdeboer at iua.upf.edu (Maarten de Boer) Date: Tue Sep 19 11:03:54 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Where to do a computer music related PhD In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20060919165628.df1700c2.mdeboer@iua.upf.es> Hi Loki, http://www.upf.es/dtecn/english/phd/index.htm Sound and Music Computing (responsible faculty: Dr. Xavier Serra, research group:MTG) maarten > I'm currently searching for somewhere to do a computer music related > PhD (Doctorate) and i'm wondering if anyone on LAU has any ideas or > useful contacts. I have a few different ideas for a topic and i'm open > to working on an already existing topic as well as my own. I'm > especially interested in human computer interaction in computer music. > I just got a letter back from the aussie uni I applied for saying they > arn't taking any new PhD students for 2007... so on the search again. > :) > > Loki > > From hitmuri at no-log.org Tue Sep 19 11:09:13 2006 From: hitmuri at no-log.org (Hitmuri) Date: Tue Sep 19 11:07:46 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Where to do a computer music related PhD In-Reply-To: References: <5bdc1c8b0609190648m7a41cd22i1ddab94ec5ce5273@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <45100819.4050100@no-log.org> Loki Davison a ?crit : > On 9/19/06, Mark Knecht wrote: >> Stanford at CCRMA? Contact Fernando I suppose. >> >> http://ccrma.stanford.edu/ >> >> I guess he doesn't call it PlanetCCRMA for nothing, right? ;-) >> >> - Mark >> >> On 9/18/06, Loki Davison wrote: >> > I'm currently searching for somewhere to do a computer music related >> > PhD (Doctorate) and i'm wondering if anyone on LAU has any ideas or >> > useful contacts. I have a few different ideas for a topic and i'm open >> > to working on an already existing topic as well as my own. I'm >> > especially interested in human computer interaction in computer music. >> > I just got a letter back from the aussie uni I applied for saying they >> > arn't taking any new PhD students for 2007... so on the search again. >> > :) >> > >> > Loki >> > >> > > > The thread on the pure data list mentions a few American uni's but not > many elsewhere. What is finding funding like in any of these uni's? > I'd prefer a funded place as working at the same time except for > lecturing/tutoring sound impractical. Does anyone know options for > the rest of the world or contacts I can chat too? I could just pester > random people but it would be great if i could narrow the search ;) > > Loki > Maybe you could try the university of Bordeaux ( France ) , that's where I'm finishing my studies in computer science /image and sound analysing and processing/ computer music. I give you a link : http://www.u-bordeaux1.fr/bx1/index_en.php Flo From linux4michelle at freenet.de Mon Sep 18 19:26:45 2006 From: linux4michelle at freenet.de (Michelle Konzack) Date: Tue Sep 19 11:08:10 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Best distro for an Intel Powerbook dual boot? In-Reply-To: <450CCCFD.90300@telus.net> References: <450CCCFD.90300@telus.net> Message-ID: <6Yt0YD.A.rl.CdAEFB@t1950ct.private> Am 2006-09-16 21:20:13, schrieb Iain Duncan: > Um, that about sums it up! Anyone managed to get a good audio setup on > one of those without going nuts? Do you want to start a flame-war? I use Debian and it just works... Greetings Michelle Konzack Systemadministrator Tamay Dogan Network Debian GNU/Linux Consultant -- Linux-User #280138 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org/ ##################### Debian GNU/Linux Consultant ##################### Michelle Konzack Apt. 917 ICQ #328449886 50, rue de Soultz MSM LinuxMichi 0033/6/61925193 67100 Strasbourg/France IRC #Debian (irc.icq.com) From hitmuri at no-log.org Tue Sep 19 11:13:37 2006 From: hitmuri at no-log.org (Hitmuri) Date: Tue Sep 19 11:11:02 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Terratec Phase 24 FW Message-ID: <45100921.2000108@no-log.org> Hi there , Does anyone use this sound card ? Does it work well with freebob ? And most important, does it sound good? I'm looking for an external soundcard with 1 or 2 audio IO and 1 midi IO. Thanks Flo From mdeboer at iua.upf.edu Tue Sep 19 11:16:20 2006 From: mdeboer at iua.upf.edu (Maarten de Boer) Date: Tue Sep 19 11:17:11 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Where to do a computer music related PhD In-Reply-To: <20060919165628.df1700c2.mdeboer@iua.upf.es> References: <20060919165628.df1700c2.mdeboer@iua.upf.es> Message-ID: <20060919171620.7c6369f4.mdeboer@iua.upf.es> and I just came across: http://www.unipd.it/en/students/res_doctorates.htm they have a Computer Music research line in the Information Engineering dept. maarten > Hi Loki, > > http://www.upf.es/dtecn/english/phd/index.htm > > Sound and Music Computing (responsible faculty: Dr. Xavier Serra, research group:MTG) > > maarten > > > I'm currently searching for somewhere to do a computer music related > > PhD (Doctorate) and i'm wondering if anyone on LAU has any ideas or > > useful contacts. I have a few different ideas for a topic and i'm open > > to working on an already existing topic as well as my own. I'm > > especially interested in human computer interaction in computer music. > > I just got a letter back from the aussie uni I applied for saying they > > arn't taking any new PhD students for 2007... so on the search again. > > :) > > > > Loki > > > > > > From phil at rephil.org Tue Sep 19 11:29:02 2006 From: phil at rephil.org (Phil Mendelsohn) Date: Tue Sep 19 11:32:22 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Where to do a computer music related PhD In-Reply-To: <20060919142929.140A32FBE30C@music.columbia.edu> References: <20060919142929.140A32FBE30C@music.columbia.edu> Message-ID: <60119.204.16.146.78.1158679742.squirrel@webmail.non-prophet.org> > Message: 8 > Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2006 00:18:16 +1000 > From: "Loki Davison" > The thread on the pure data list mentions a few American uni's but not > many elsewhere. What is finding funding like in any of these uni's? > I'd prefer a funded place as working at the same time except for > lecturing/tutoring sound impractical. Does anyone know options for > the rest of the world or contacts I can chat too? I could just pester > random people but it would be great if i could narrow the search ;) I'm surprised no one has mentioned IRCAM in Paris. (One common link between IRCAM and Stanford is Andy Moorer, with Lucas and Sonic Solutions following.) You'd have to google IRCAM, though -- I forget which of the Paris Universities it's attached to. Phil M -- "To misattribute a quote is unforgiveable." --Anonymous From iainduncan at telus.net Tue Sep 19 12:46:46 2006 From: iainduncan at telus.net (iainduncan@telus.net) Date: Tue Sep 19 12:46:54 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Best distro for an Intel Powerbook dual boot? In-Reply-To: <6Yt0YD.A.rl.CdAEFB@t1950ct.private> References: <450CCCFD.90300@telus.net> <6Yt0YD.A.rl.CdAEFB@t1950ct.private> Message-ID: <1158684406.45101ef621b08@webmail.telus.net> Quoting Michelle Konzack : > Am 2006-09-16 21:20:13, schrieb Iain Duncan: > > Um, that about sums it up! Anyone managed to get a good audio setup on > > one of those without going nuts? > > Do you want to start a flame-war? Ha ha, no I just want to hear real stories of set ups with audio. So far I have tried on AMD: Debian, Gentoo, Fedora, and now Ubuntu. Gentoo was the hardest to install but easiest to tweak out for audio. Dunno what to try on the new machine! > I use Debian and it just works... Thanks, can you tell me which sound card? Iain From fons.adriaensen at skynet.be Tue Sep 19 13:08:02 2006 From: fons.adriaensen at skynet.be (Fons Adriaensen) Date: Tue Sep 19 13:09:25 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Where to do a computer music related PhD In-Reply-To: References: <5bdc1c8b0609190648m7a41cd22i1ddab94ec5ce5273@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20060919170802.GA6387@linux-1.site> On Wed, Sep 20, 2006 at 12:18:16AM +1000, Loki Davison wrote: > The thread on the pure data list mentions a few American uni's but not > many elsewhere. What is finding funding like in any of these uni's? > I'd prefer a funded place as working at the same time except for > lecturing/tutoring sound impractical. Does anyone know options for > the rest of the world or contacts I can chat too? I could just pester > random people but it would be great if i could narrow the search ;) IIRC, ENST in Paris is looking for a PhD candidate for a project related to HRTF and auralisation. The announcement went out on the sursound list some days ago, but I don't have it anymore. -- FA Lascia la spina, cogli la rosa. From james at dis-dot-dat.net Tue Sep 19 13:51:16 2006 From: james at dis-dot-dat.net (james@dis-dot-dat.net) Date: Tue Sep 19 13:51:25 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Where to do a computer music related PhD In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20060919175116.GA12305@fitz.Belkin> On Tue, 19 Sep, 2006 at 03:37PM +1000, Loki Davison spake thus: > I'm currently searching for somewhere to do a computer music related > PhD (Doctorate) and i'm wondering if anyone on LAU has any ideas or > useful contacts. I have a few different ideas for a topic and i'm open > to working on an already existing topic as well as my own. I'm > especially interested in human computer interaction in computer music. > I just got a letter back from the aussie uni I applied for saying they > arn't taking any new PhD students for 2007... so on the search again. > :) Are you looking outside of Oz? And, are you looking to pay for the privilege or to be paid? > Loki > From ernst at pulsewidth.ca Tue Sep 19 14:50:37 2006 From: ernst at pulsewidth.ca (Ernie Dulanowsky) Date: Tue Sep 19 14:53:31 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] ANN: bristol 0.9.5-60 In-Reply-To: <20060919002047.ff088e50.shakti@bayarea.net> References: <20060919002047.ff088e50.shakti@bayarea.net> Message-ID: <321dfa6a0609191150i6dd4de64w1b51ce8209fdd9cf@mail.gmail.com> Hi: I had big fun with Bristol last night in my FC3/CCRMA machine. The ARP 2600 is fantastic, as are the Korgs. Are there plans for other synth emulations ? I think you should do a Synthi AKS, now that you have some sort of patching capabilities.... cheers, ernst On 9/19/06, Tracey Hytry wrote: > > -downloaded 0.9.5-60 > -read the directions > -built it on FC5 > -tested a few of the synth models using jack and an external midi keyboard > -so far, so good > -need to spend some time testing your newest models > -thanks > > Tracey > -- "Both Rob and I see sound as shapes. I only have to do this (makes a fist) and he knows what sound I mean". - Autechre ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: Ernie Dulanowsky CCNA CWLSS www.pulsewidth.ca >> test_tones on www.cjtr.ca << From cannam at all-day-breakfast.com Tue Sep 19 17:13:38 2006 From: cannam at all-day-breakfast.com (Chris Cannam) Date: Tue Sep 19 17:10:41 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] ANNOUNCE: Rosegarden 1.4.0 released Message-ID: <200609192213.38107.cannam@all-day-breakfast.com> ROSEGARDEN 1.4.0 RELEASED The Rosegarden team are delighted to announce the release of version 1.4.0 of Rosegarden, an audio and MIDI sequencer and musical notation editor for Linux. http://www.rosegardenmusic.com/ This is a particularly exciting release for the Rosegarden project. It includes a number of interesting new features, many of which we expect to build upon further in future releases. It also contains significant code contributions from a greater number of people than any previous Rosegarden release, including D. Michael McIntyre, Pedro Lopez-Cabanillas, Heikki Junes, Stephen Torri, Magnus Johansson, Vince Negri and Martin Shepherd as well as Chris Cannam, Guillaume Laurent, and a number of active translators. Significant new features include: * You can now record to multiple MIDI tracks at once from different devices and/or channels. * There is a new track parameter box which can be used to select the playback instrument for a track, recording filters, and the default parameters for new segments created on that track. * You can now create tracks identified with particular real-world performance instruments, so that new segments subsequently created on those tracks inherit the right clef, transposition and note range for each instrument (notes outside that range are displayed in a different colour in the notation editor). A database of around 300 instruments is included, courtesy of Erik Magnus Johansson of Eolin KB (http://www.kandav.com/eolin/). * The composition no longer has a fixed duration. In previous releases it was necessary to adjust the composition duration manually in order to record or create segments longer than the default duration. As of this release, the composition extends itself as you record or drag out new segments. * If you add a key change across multiple segments that differ in performance transposition, you can now choose to have the key transposed automatically for each segment. * You can now enter special directives in the notation editor that will be interpreted when creating LilyPond output, to achieve effects that are possible in LilyPond but not yet supported in Rosegarden (glissandi, arpeggios, segno/coda etc). * Soprano clef has been added. * Lilypond export now supports LilyPond 2.8 and has a new feature to merge multiple staffs as voices into one LilyPond staff, a new option to group staffs with a system bracket, as well as a huge number of bug fixes and performance improvements, which have tremendously improved the reliability and usefulness of the export engine. * You can choose to display the parameter boxes in a tabbed layout as an alternative to the default vertical stack. In the tabbed layout you can display a much greater number of MIDI controllers than was previously possible. * You can now cut, copy and paste "ranges" within a composition (cross-sections of all segments and tempo and time signature changes between two given end points in time). * There are new functions to split selected segments at an arbitrary time, and to split segments according to the MIDI device used to record them (which can be applied retrospectively to recordings made with Rosegarden 1.0 and newer). * The facilities for adding and editing markers (labelled positions in time) and setting loop ranges have been improved in a number of ways. * Tempos can now be "ramped" (smoothly changing from an initial to a final tempo over a period of time). * The tempo ruler has been overhauled and now permits in-place editing of the tempo map with the mouse (with undo and redo, of course). * You can finally zoom in and out of editing views using the mouse wheel (with Ctrl pressed). * The Panic function is now accessible from all transport toolbars. * When step-recording notes from a MIDI device, you can now enter chords simply by playing overlapping notes. * Rosegarden can now respond to MIDI Start, Stop and Continue system messages (as well as MMC/MTC), and send MMC Locate messages (as well as Play and Stop). For more information about Rosegarden and what it can do for you, please see http://www.rosegardenmusic.com/ Rosegarden is Free Software under the GNU General Public License. Chris From lau at therockgarden.ca Tue Sep 19 18:27:15 2006 From: lau at therockgarden.ca (Sylvain Robitaille) Date: Tue Sep 19 18:25:13 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re:Linux Audio Notebooks for recording? Any recommendations? In-Reply-To: <44F7038B.2080404@linuxuse.de> References: <79f0682c0608310221qfb626d5ga23383fe25f209b1@mail.gmail.com> <44F7038B.2080404@linuxuse.de> Message-ID: On Thu, 31 Aug 2006, Hartmut Noack wrote: > I have got a Toshiba Tecra, that sets literally all peripherals > (cardreader, antenna, usb etc) on the same IRQ with the soundchip and > i cannot change this via BIOS... I ran into a problem recently on my Tecra S1, that might have been caused by what is reported above. Try appending "irqpoll" to the boot-time options. It resolved the problem I was having (with the internal 802.11g network interface), and might help with the problem's you're experiencing. (quite excited to see new versions of Bristol and Rosegarden ... am looking forward to trying both! Thanks to all who worked on these!) -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Sylvain Robitaille syl@alcor.concordia.ca Major in Electroacoustic Studies Concordia University Faculty of Fine Arts / Music Department Montreal, Quebec, Canada ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From lau at kudla.org Tue Sep 19 19:15:25 2006 From: lau at kudla.org (Rob) Date: Tue Sep 19 19:22:08 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re:Linux Audio Notebooks for recording? Any recommendations? In-Reply-To: References: <79f0682c0608310221qfb626d5ga23383fe25f209b1@mail.gmail.com> <44F7038B.2080404@linuxuse.de> Message-ID: <200609191915.25836.lau@kudla.org> On Tuesday 19 September 2006 18:27, Sylvain Robitaille wrote: > I ran into a problem recently on my Tecra S1, that might have > been caused by what is reported above. Try appending > "irqpoll" to the boot-time options. It resolved the problem I > was having (with the internal 802.11g network interface), and > might help with the problem's you're experiencing. Does the Tecra have good enough built-in audio that it's worth trying to resolve issues like that? After trying to record onto 3 or 4 different laptops (using both Windows and Linux) I finally broke down and got a USB external "sound card" because the laptops all sounded like they had some kind of bad Walkman preamps in them. Never mind the shared IRQ's or bus stealing. Rob From loki.davison at gmail.com Tue Sep 19 19:37:31 2006 From: loki.davison at gmail.com (Loki Davison) Date: Tue Sep 19 19:37:44 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Where to do a computer music related PhD In-Reply-To: <20060919175116.GA12305@fitz.Belkin> References: <20060919175116.GA12305@fitz.Belkin> Message-ID: On 9/20/06, james@dis-dot-dat.net wrote: > On Tue, 19 Sep, 2006 at 03:37PM +1000, Loki Davison spake thus: > > I'm currently searching for somewhere to do a computer music related > > PhD (Doctorate) and i'm wondering if anyone on LAU has any ideas or > > useful contacts. I have a few different ideas for a topic and i'm open > > to working on an already existing topic as well as my own. I'm > > especially interested in human computer interaction in computer music. > > I just got a letter back from the aussie uni I applied for saying they > > arn't taking any new PhD students for 2007... so on the search again. > > :) > > Are you looking outside of Oz? And, are you looking to pay for the > privilege or to be paid? > Any country is fine. I'd prefer to be payed for the privilege or if there is some associated tutoring/prac demonstration that can cover cost and provide a living allowance. :) I speak English and German well and i've studied Hungarian and Russian at uni but I'm not very good at either. I like learning new languages so i'm fine living somewhere non-english speaking. Loki From lau at therockgarden.ca Tue Sep 19 21:02:21 2006 From: lau at therockgarden.ca (Sylvain Robitaille) Date: Tue Sep 19 21:08:07 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re:Re:Linux Audio Notebooks for recording? Any recommendations? In-Reply-To: <200609191915.25836.lau@kudla.org> References: <79f0682c0608310221qfb626d5ga23383fe25f209b1@mail.gmail.com> <44F7038B.2080404@linuxuse.de> <200609191915.25836.lau@kudla.org> Message-ID: On Tue, 19 Sep 2006, Rob wrote: > Does the Tecra have good enough built-in audio that it's worth > trying to resolve issues like that? I have to admit to not knowing: the only audio use this laptop has had falls under basic playback through the built-in speakers (which are better than I expected, but certainly nowhere near serious). Still, if it resolves the problem and makes the computer usable (whether for serious audio or just a quick scratchpad-quality recording), it's worth trying, no?. -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Sylvain Robitaille syl@alcor.concordia.ca Major in Electroacoustic Studies Concordia University Faculty of Fine Arts / Music Department Montreal, Quebec, Canada ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From basscheez at zoominternet.net Tue Sep 19 22:08:26 2006 From: basscheez at zoominternet.net (Steven Walker) Date: Tue Sep 19 22:06:47 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: ANN: bristol 0.9.5-60 In-Reply-To: <20060918202703.98AA92F59C46@music.columbia.edu> References: <20060918202703.98AA92F59C46@music.columbia.edu> Message-ID: <1158718106.2915.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Mon, 2006-09-18 at 16:27 -0400, linux-audio-user-request@music.columbia.edu wrote: > ANN: bristol 0.9.5-60 This looks interesting. It built OK, but when I run it, the GUI image never appears - just an empty window. Here are the messages: # ./startBristol -b3 spawning midi thread parent going into idle loop connected to :0.0 (81442f0) display is 1024 by 768 pixels Window is w 1024, h 768, d 24, 0 0 0 Using DirectColor display masks are ff0000 ff0000 ff0000 midi sequencer Opened listening control socket: 5028 Client ID = 128 Queue ID = 0 Device name did not parse, defaults 128.0 Initialise the hammondB3 link to bristol: 814a7a8 hostname is localhost, bristol port is 5028 Connected to the bristol control socket: 5 bristolengine already active Accepted connection from 0 (3) onto 2 (5) created 16 voices: allocated 16 to synth engine MIDI channel 0 spawning audio thread bristolAudioOpen(plughw:0,0, 44100, 256, 1200008) audioOpen(b7f9a200, 0, 1024): plughw:0,0 opening device plughw:0,0, flags 0000000d open playback on plughw:0,0, pre 8 Could not configure playback period size period size is -1208655184 Problem opening audio device plughw:0,0, exiting audio thread Rescheduled thread: 95 initialising one hammond sound Null palette Terminate MIDI signalling From lau at therockgarden.ca Wed Sep 20 00:24:02 2006 From: lau at therockgarden.ca (Sylvain Robitaille) Date: Wed Sep 20 00:22:03 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: ANN: bristol 0.9.5-60 In-Reply-To: <1158718106.2915.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <20060918202703.98AA92F59C46@music.columbia.edu> <1158718106.2915.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: On Tue, 19 Sep 2006, Steven Walker wrote: > This looks interesting. It built OK, but when I run it, the GUI image > never appears - just an empty window. I had the same problem to start with, until I figured out that it was halting due to an inability to open the sound device that it was trying to open: > ... > spawning audio thread > bristolAudioOpen(plughw:0,0, 44100, 256, 1200008) > audioOpen(b7f9a200, 0, 1024): plughw:0,0 > opening device plughw:0,0, flags 0000000d > open playback on plughw:0,0, pre 8 > Could not configure playback period size > period size is -1208655184 > Problem opening audio device plughw:0,0, exiting audio thread > ... On my system, audio "device" 0 is a virtual MIDI device (for some reason which escapes me at the moment). I have audio output devices (soundcards, the first built-in, and the second an add-on card) at "1,0" and "2,0". For some reason I'm not able to get Bristol to use the add-on card at 2,0, though other audio applications (some through JACK, others not) are able to. Bristol is working for me if I add "-audiodev plughw:1,0", though its output isn't very loud (compared to other audio applications), which I worry about because I would ideally like to use it in lieu of hardware synthesizers, and I'm as yet unable to get any MIDI control of it. :-( I hope I've helped ... Can anyone help me control Bristol via MIDI? -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Sylvain Robitaille syl@alcor.concordia.ca Major in Electroacoustic Studies Concordia University Faculty of Fine Arts / Music Department Montreal, Quebec, Canada ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From juuso.alasuutari at tamperelainen.org Wed Sep 20 04:13:49 2006 From: juuso.alasuutari at tamperelainen.org (juuso.alasuutari@tamperelainen.org) Date: Wed Sep 20 04:10:43 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Best distro for an Intel Powerbook dual boot? In-Reply-To: <1158684406.45101ef621b08@webmail.telus.net> References: <450CCCFD.90300@telus.net> <6Yt0YD.A.rl.CdAEFB@t1950ct.private> <1158684406.45101ef621b08@webmail.telus.net> Message-ID: <1158740029.4510f83d92aa2@cs1.alpha12.l-secure.net> Quoting iainduncan@telus.net: > > Do you want to start a flame-war? > > Ha ha, no I just want to hear real stories of set ups with audio. So far I > have > tried on AMD: Debian, Gentoo, Fedora, and now Ubuntu. Gentoo was the hardest > to > install but easiest to tweak out for audio. Dunno what to try on the new > machine! If you want to try another source-based distro, give Source Mage a go. It lets you configure, tweak, and optimize anything that's possible, but installing packages might not be as hard as with Gentoo. The documentation isn't as plentiful yet, though, but you'll find myself and a bunch of other helpful people on #sourcemage. Juuso ---------------------------------------------------------------- This mail sent through L-secure: http://www.l-secure.net/ From jouni.rinne at luukku.com Wed Sep 20 04:41:44 2006 From: jouni.rinne at luukku.com (Jouni Rinne) Date: Wed Sep 20 04:48:10 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: ANN: bristol 0.9.5-60 In-Reply-To: References: <20060918202703.98AA92F59C46@music.columbia.edu> <1158718106.2915.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <4510FEC8.8080508@luukku.com> Sylvain Robitaille kirjoitti: > Bristol is working for me if I add "-audiodev plughw:1,0", though its > output isn't very loud (compared to other audio applications) Why is Bristol's output so quiet? At first I thought it wasn't producing any sound at all, but then I began to hear faint sounds when hammering the keyboard, and found out that I had to turn my amplifier up quite a bit before the sound was on level with the other audio applications. Is there something I could do to get more noise from Bristol? I'm using -jack as an output. JR -- | me@home ~$whoami ^ ^ | "Trust me, I know what I'm doing!" | | Jouni 'Mad Max' Rinne ('x') | - Sledge Hammer | | me@home ~$man woman C " " | -------[ph34r t3h p3Ngu1n]-------- | | Segmentation fault (core dumped) | l33tmmx at sci dot fi | From dlphillips at woh.rr.com Wed Sep 20 07:37:07 2006 From: dlphillips at woh.rr.com (Dave Phillips) Date: Wed Sep 20 07:14:37 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Musix 0.59b19 is out In-Reply-To: <200609162025.53418.marcospcmusica@gmail.com> References: <200609162025.53418.marcospcmusica@gmail.com> Message-ID: <451127E3.9090007@woh.rr.com> Marcos Guglielmetti wrote: >Now Musix GNU/Linux 0.59 should boot fine in all PCs, > >http://www.musix.org.ar/en/download.html > > Works perfectly now. Thank you, Marcos ! I look forward to testing it today. Now I have to let the StudioToGo guys know that their ISO also misbehaves. Was there some bad version of mkisofs getting around ? Best, dp From chris.cannam at ferventsoftware.com Wed Sep 20 07:37:03 2006 From: chris.cannam at ferventsoftware.com (Chris Cannam) Date: Wed Sep 20 07:36:31 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Musix 0.59b19 is out In-Reply-To: <451127E3.9090007@woh.rr.com> References: <200609162025.53418.marcospcmusica@gmail.com> <451127E3.9090007@woh.rr.com> Message-ID: <200609201237.04014.chris.cannam@ferventsoftware.com> On Wednesday 20 Sep 2006 12:37, Dave Phillips wrote: > Now I have to let the StudioToGo guys know that their ISO also > misbehaves. Really? What's the symptom? -- that it just gets ignored, as you described for Musix? We haven't had any reports of that, but perhaps it's the kind of thing people don't report (at least for the demo -- they probably assume it's their fault). > Was there some bad version of mkisofs getting around ? Marcos indicated that he thought the problem was with a particular version of mkisofs. Did you find out what the actual cause was, Marcos, or did you just up- or downgrade again and find it worked? We aren't using the version that was problematic for Musix, but that doesn't necessarily tell us much. Chris From dlphillips at woh.rr.com Wed Sep 20 08:12:17 2006 From: dlphillips at woh.rr.com (Dave Phillips) Date: Wed Sep 20 07:49:49 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Musix 0.59b19 is out In-Reply-To: <200609201237.04014.chris.cannam@ferventsoftware.com> References: <200609162025.53418.marcospcmusica@gmail.com> <451127E3.9090007@woh.rr.com> <200609201237.04014.chris.cannam@ferventsoftware.com> Message-ID: <45113021.8010704@woh.rr.com> Chris Cannam wrote: >On Wednesday 20 Sep 2006 12:37, Dave Phillips wrote: > > >>Now I have to let the StudioToGo guys know that their ISO also >>misbehaves. >> >> > >Really? What's the symptom? -- that it just gets ignored, as you described >for Musix? We haven't had any reports of that, but perhaps it's the kind of >thing people don't report (at least for the demo -- they probably assume it's >their fault). > > Hi Chris: Yes, the same thing happens as with the bad versions of the Musix ISO. The boot process just runs on past the CD drives as though there's nothing in the tray. :( Btw, very exciting news re: the new Rosegarden release, I look forward to checking it out. Best always, dp From ivalladolidt at terra.es Wed Sep 20 07:54:34 2006 From: ivalladolidt at terra.es (Ismael Valladolid Torres) Date: Wed Sep 20 08:00:09 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] RME Digi96/8 PST and jackd watchdog timeout Message-ID: <20060920115434.GA4709@gmail.com> I just bought a RME Digi96/8 PST soundcard and installed it on my computer. Once rebooted, info in /proc/asound/cards seems to be correct: $ cat /proc/asound/cards 0 [CK8S ]: NFORCE - NVidia CK8S NVidia CK8S with ALC850 at 0xfc001000, irq 193 1 [PST ]: Digi96 - RME Digi96/8 PST RME Digi96/8 PST at 0xfb000000, irq 201 2 [UM1 ]: USB-Audio - UM-1 EDIROL UM-1 at usb-0000:00:02.0-4, full speed I am forcing index numbers via /etc/modprobe.d/sound so mobo's internal soundcard is the default device. If I tell xmms to use ALSA and output hw:1,0, it works nicely and RME plays sound. But if I tell jackd to use that same output, it gets killed by the watchdog! 13:49:32.867 JACK is starting... 13:49:32.869 jackd -R -t10000 -dalsa -dhw:1,0 -r44100 -p256 -n2 13:49:32.880 JACK was started with PID=5961 (0x1749). jackd 0.101.1 Copyright 2001-2005 Paul Davis and others. jackd comes with ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY This is free software, and you are welcome to redistribute it under certain conditions; see the file COPYING for details JACK compiled with System V SHM support. loading driver .. apparent rate = 44100 creating alsa driver ... hw:1,0|hw:1,0|256|2|44100|0|0|nomon|swmeter|-|32bit control device hw:1 configuring for 44100Hz, period = 256 frames, buffer = 2 periods nperiods = 32 for capture nperiods = 32 for playback 13:49:35.000 Server configuration saved to "/home/ismael/.jackdrc". 13:49:35.002 Statistics reset. 13:49:35.005 Client activated. 13:49:35.007 Audio connection change. 13:49:35.012 Audio connection graph change. 13:49:35.057 XRUN callback (1). 13:49:37.017 XRUN callback (169 skipped). jackd watchdog: timeout - killing jackd zombified - calling shutdown handler 13:49:38.023 Shutdown notification. 13:49:38.025 Client deactivated. 13:49:38.027 JACK was stopped successfully. cannot send request type 7 to server cannot read result for request type 7 from server It's the same no matter if I change frames/period, periods/buffer, priority, timeout, input and output channels, it's always the same. I'm finding pretty difficult to find a PCI slot in my mobo which allows me to use an isolated IRQ for the RME, if anyone thinks this could be the problem.. I am running vanilla 2.6.17 with Ingo Molnar's rt8 patches. I can post my kernel config if useful. Any ideas will be very welcome so thanks in advance. Cordially, Ismael -- Ismael Valladolid Torres "Il est vain de pleurer sur l'esprit, il suffit de travailler pour lui." Albert Camus http://digitrazos.info/ http://lamediahostia.blogspot.com/ OpenPGP key ID: 0xDE721AF4 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Digital signature Url : http://music.columbia.edu/pipermail/linux-audio-user/attachments/20060920/ce3d9682/attachment.bin From paul at linuxaudiosystems.com Wed Sep 20 08:05:23 2006 From: paul at linuxaudiosystems.com (Paul Davis) Date: Wed Sep 20 08:06:04 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] RME Digi96/8 PST and jackd watchdog timeout In-Reply-To: <20060920115434.GA4709@gmail.com> References: <20060920115434.GA4709@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1158753923.4691.72.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Wed, 2006-09-20 at 13:54 +0200, Ismael Valladolid Torres wrote: > 13:49:32.867 JACK is starting... > 13:49:32.869 jackd -R -t10000 -dalsa -dhw:1,0 -r44100 -p256 -n2 try using it in one direction only: jackd -R -dalsa -dhw:1,0 -P .... also try running jackd with the -v flag From pcoccoli at gmail.com Wed Sep 20 08:16:22 2006 From: pcoccoli at gmail.com (Paul Coccoli) Date: Wed Sep 20 08:16:32 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: ANN: bristol 0.9.5-60 In-Reply-To: <4510FEC8.8080508@luukku.com> References: <20060918202703.98AA92F59C46@music.columbia.edu> <1158718106.2915.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> <4510FEC8.8080508@luukku.com> Message-ID: <8d27a0610609200516w38eb33d0r6650cd1f907c702c@mail.gmail.com> On 9/20/06, Jouni Rinne wrote: > Sylvain Robitaille kirjoitti: > > > Bristol is working for me if I add "-audiodev plughw:1,0", though its > > output isn't very loud (compared to other audio applications) > > Why is Bristol's output so quiet? At first I thought it wasn't producing any > sound at all, but then I began to hear faint sounds when hammering the keyboard, > and found out that I had to turn my amplifier up quite a bit before the sound > was on level with the other audio applications. > > Is there something I could do to get more noise from Bristol? I'm using -jack as > an output. > > JR > > -- > | me@home ~$whoami ^ ^ | "Trust me, I know what I'm doing!" | > | Jouni 'Mad Max' Rinne ('x') | - Sledge Hammer | > | me@home ~$man woman C " " | -------[ph34r t3h p3Ngu1n]-------- | > | Segmentation fault (core dumped) | l33tmmx at sci dot fi | > Bristol has always been that quiet. For years. I don't know why the developer doesn't fix it. Now htat it has jack support, that's easy enough to remedy. Can anyone familiar with the synths it emulates comment on their quality (besides lack of volume)? Now who's got a LASH patch for this? From ivalladolidt at terra.es Wed Sep 20 08:19:50 2006 From: ivalladolidt at terra.es (Ismael Valladolid Torres) Date: Wed Sep 20 08:27:27 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] RME Digi96/8 PST and jackd watchdog timeout In-Reply-To: <1158753923.4691.72.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <20060920115434.GA4709@gmail.com> <1158753923.4691.72.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <20060920121950.GA4602@gmail.com> Paul Davis escribe: > On Wed, 2006-09-20 at 13:54 +0200, Ismael Valladolid Torres wrote: > > 13:49:32.867 JACK is starting... > > 13:49:32.869 jackd -R -t10000 -dalsa -dhw:1,0 -r44100 -p256 -n2 > > try using it in one direction only: > > jackd -R -dalsa -dhw:1,0 -P .... Thanks for the quick feedback. In this case it gets funnier... $ jackd -R -d alsa -d hw:1,0 -P jackd 0.101.1 Copyright 2001-2005 Paul Davis and others. jackd comes with ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY This is free software, and you are welcome to redistribute it under certain conditions; see the file COPYING for details JACK compiled with System V SHM support. loading driver .. creating alsa driver ... hw:1,0|-|1024|2|48000|0|0|nomon|swmeter|-|32bit control device hw:1 configuring for 48000Hz, period = 1024 frames, buffer = 2 periods nperiods = 8 for playback delay of 128075.000 usecs exceeds estimated spare time of 21317.000; restart ...delay of 106732.000 usecs exceeds estimated spare time of 21317.000; restart ...delay of 106732.000 usecs exceeds estimated spare time of 21317.000; restart ...delay of 106732.000 usecs exceeds estimated spare time of 21317.000; restart ...delay of 106732.000 usecs exceeds estimated spare time of 21317.000; restart ... > > also try running jackd with the -v flag > > At least for me, not much more informative... $ jackd -v -R -d alsa -d hw:1,0 getting driver descriptor from /usr/lib/libjack0.100.0-0/jack_alsa.so getting driver descriptor from /usr/lib/libjack0.100.0-0/jack_dummy.so getting driver descriptor from /usr/lib/libjack0.100.0-0/jack_oss.so jackd 0.101.1 Copyright 2001-2005 Paul Davis and others. jackd comes with ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY This is free software, and you are welcome to redistribute it under certain conditions; see the file COPYING for details JACK compiled with System V SHM support. server `default' registered loading driver .. creating alsa driver ... hw:1,0|hw:1,0|1024|2|48000|0|0|nomon|swmeter|-|32bit control device hw:1 configuring for 48000Hz, period = 1024 frames, buffer = 2 periods nperiods = 8 for capture nperiods = 8 for playback 4607 waiting for signals registered builtin port type 32 bit float mono audio required capabilities not available capabilities: = new client: alsa_pcm, id = 1 type 1 @ 0x80588c0 fd = -1 new buffer size 1024 registered port alsa_pcm:capture_1, offset = 4096 registered port alsa_pcm:capture_2, offset = 8192 registered port alsa_pcm:playback_1, offset = 0 registered port alsa_pcm:playback_2, offset = 0 ++ jack_rechain_graph(): client alsa_pcm: internal client, execution_order=0. -- jack_rechain_graph() jackd watchdog: timeout - killing jackd Abortado It happens the same running Debian's default 2.6.15-1-486 so I tend to discard a problem with kernel version or rt patches version. Also it happens the same running jackd as root. Generally speaking, I thought RME cards a bit better supported by jackd "out of the box". Obviously I don't mind helping debugging. Version of jackd running here is 0.101.1, running a newer one or cvs would help? Cordially, Ismael -- Ismael Valladolid Torres "Il est vain de pleurer sur l'esprit, il suffit de travailler pour lui." Albert Camus http://digitrazos.info/ http://lamediahostia.blogspot.com/ OpenPGP key ID: 0xDE721AF4 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Digital signature Url : http://music.columbia.edu/pipermail/linux-audio-user/attachments/20060920/55018971/attachment.bin From schwarzb at ipms.fraunhofer.de Wed Sep 20 08:50:11 2006 From: schwarzb at ipms.fraunhofer.de (Markus Schwarzenberg) Date: Wed Sep 20 08:50:42 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] RME Digi96/8 PST and jackd watchdog timeout In-Reply-To: <20060920115434.GA4709@gmail.com> References: <20060920115434.GA4709@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20060920145011.0000010c@suni2> On Wed, 20 Sep 2006 13:54:34 +0200 Ismael Valladolid Torres wrote: > 13:49:32.867 JACK is starting... > 13:49:32.869 jackd -R -t10000 -dalsa -dhw:1,0 -r44100 -p256 -n2 ... > 13:49:35.012 Audio connection graph change. > 13:49:35.057 XRUN callback (1). > 13:49:37.017 XRUN callback (169 skipped). you might also - Try changing the sample rate - Try selecting the analog input (you know rmedigicontrol?) or - Try providing a 44.1kHz clock source on the selected digital input channel. I vaguely remeber having such problems with my DIGI96/PRO when there is no digital input (OK, the /PST has analog input in contrast to the /PRO) Markus From ivalladolidt at terra.es Wed Sep 20 09:39:50 2006 From: ivalladolidt at terra.es (Ismael Valladolid Torres) Date: Wed Sep 20 09:42:31 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] RME Digi96/8 PST and jackd watchdog timeout In-Reply-To: <20060920145011.0000010c@suni2> References: <20060920115434.GA4709@gmail.com> <20060920145011.0000010c@suni2> Message-ID: <20060920133950.GA6291@gmail.com> Markus Schwarzenberg escribe: > - Try changing the sample rate Like this it works: $ jackd -R -dalsa -dhw:1,0 -r96000 -p1024 -n8 According to AlsaOpensrcOrg this card has a fixed buffersize of 64KBytes so for the analog I/O you're forced to choose between: (16 bit wordsize) --2048 frames and 8 periods --512 frames and 32 periods (32 bit wordsize) --1024 frames and 8 periods --256 frames and 32 periods I've set to 96KHz 32 bit 1024 frames 8 periods and it works more or less nicely. Unfortunately latency is 85 ms and I counted on this card to provide me a much lower latency. According also to AlsaOpensrcOrg, with recent enough versions of ALSA and jackd I could set the number of periods used to any number below the number of periods created, resulting in much lower latency. But I don't know how to do this. Any help welcome! > > - Try selecting the analog input (you know rmedigicontrol?) or I did not know about rmedigicontrol! Now I've set input to analog and I can launch jackd full duplex without delay warnings. > - Try providing a 44.1kHz clock source on the selected digital input > channel. I vaguely remeber having such problems with my DIGI96/PRO > when there is no digital input (OK, the /PST has analog input in > contrast to the /PRO) Yep I'm working analog. I purchased this card in order to be able to output sound via S/PDIF to my minidisc apart from having top class stereo analog I/O converters. Cordially, Ismael -- Ismael Valladolid Torres "Il est vain de pleurer sur l'esprit, il suffit de travailler pour lui." Albert Camus http://digitrazos.info/ http://lamediahostia.blogspot.com/ OpenPGP key ID: 0xDE721AF4 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Then jackd sets the number of *used* periods instead of *allocated* periods. Now I'm at 5 ms latency. What a soundcard! For the records: $ jackd -R -dalsa -dhw:1,0 -r96000 -p256 -n2 Cordially, Ismael -- Ismael Valladolid Torres "Il est vain de pleurer sur l'esprit, il suffit de travailler pour lui." Albert Camus http://digitrazos.info/ http://lamediahostia.blogspot.com/ OpenPGP key ID: 0xDE721AF4 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Best, dp From ivalladolidt at terra.es Wed Sep 20 10:34:13 2006 From: ivalladolidt at terra.es (Ismael Valladolid Torres) Date: Wed Sep 20 10:34:54 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] old booze, new bottle In-Reply-To: <45114F1A.5050207@woh.rr.com> References: <45114F1A.5050207@woh.rr.com> Message-ID: <20060920143413.GA7652@gmail.com> Dave Phillips escribe: > The piece is not new, but this time I used ZynAddSubFX's lovely DX > Rhodes 2 instead of my beloved TX802s. Zyn sounded so good I started > seriously considering giving up my hardware synths. I may not go so far > yet, but it's only a matter of time. Never do that. You can't seriously play Zyn while watching TV... ;) Cordially, Ismael -- Ismael Valladolid Torres "Il est vain de pleurer sur l'esprit, il suffit de travailler pour lui." Albert Camus http://digitrazos.info/ http://lamediahostia.blogspot.com/ OpenPGP key ID: 0xDE721AF4 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Digital signature Url : http://music.columbia.edu/pipermail/linux-audio-user/attachments/20060920/fe4664a0/attachment.bin From markknecht at gmail.com Wed Sep 20 10:54:21 2006 From: markknecht at gmail.com (Mark Knecht) Date: Wed Sep 20 10:54:28 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] old booze, new bottle In-Reply-To: <45114F1A.5050207@woh.rr.com> References: <45114F1A.5050207@woh.rr.com> Message-ID: <5bdc1c8b0609200754s6bb20847lb328eebadc0717db@mail.gmail.com> On 9/20/06, Dave Phillips wrote: > Greetings: > > I've put a new recording here : > > http://linux-sound.org/prelude.ogg > Enjoyed it Dave. Thanks! - Mark From lau at kudla.org Wed Sep 20 11:10:08 2006 From: lau at kudla.org (Rob) Date: Wed Sep 20 11:13:17 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] old booze, new bottle In-Reply-To: <20060920143413.GA7652@gmail.com> References: <45114F1A.5050207@woh.rr.com> <20060920143413.GA7652@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200609201110.08968.lau@kudla.org> On Wednesday 20 September 2006 10:34, Ismael Valladolid Torres wrote: > Never do that. You can't seriously play Zyn while watching > TV... ;) I dunno about Dave's kit, but my DX7 weighs 41 pounds. I'll take my 4 pound laptop and my PCR-30 into the living room first ;) Rob From _ at whats-your.name Wed Sep 20 11:49:18 2006 From: _ at whats-your.name (carmen) Date: Wed Sep 20 11:44:10 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Best distro for an Intel Powerbook dual boot? In-Reply-To: <1158740029.4510f83d92aa2@cs1.alpha12.l-secure.net> References: <450CCCFD.90300@telus.net> <6Yt0YD.A.rl.CdAEFB@t1950ct.private> <1158684406.45101ef621b08@webmail.telus.net> <1158740029.4510f83d92aa2@cs1.alpha12.l-secure.net> Message-ID: <20060920154918.GA2079@replic.net> On Wed Sep 20, 2006 at 11:13:49AM +0300, juuso.alasuutari@tamperelainen.org wrote: > Quoting iainduncan@telus.net: > > > > Do you want to start a flame-war? > > > > Ha ha, no I just want to hear real stories of set ups with audio. So far I > > have > > tried on AMD: Debian, Gentoo, Fedora, and now Ubuntu. Gentoo was the hardest > > to > > install but easiest to tweak out for audio. Dunno what to try on the new > > machine! > > If you want to try another source-based distro, give Source Mage a go. It lets > you configure, tweak, and optimize anything that's possible, but installing > packages might not be as hard as with Gentoo. easier than 'emerge dino seq24 alsaseq2jackmidi ingen' ? imo we need to come up with a generalized cros-distro build metadata format since at least gentoo, sourcemage, and archlinux have similar yet incompatible ways to specify this.. in other words i wouldnt mind trying sourcemage, but not if it means giving up proadio-overlay. From dominic.sacre at gmx.de Wed Sep 20 11:52:55 2006 From: dominic.sacre at gmx.de (Dominic =?iso-8859-1?q?Sacr=E9?=) Date: Wed Sep 20 11:55:18 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Realtime kernel does not boot Message-ID: <200609201752.55621.dominic.sacre@gmx.de> Hi, I'm having problems booting realtime kernels on two different machines. One is an IBM Thinkpad X21 with a 700MHz P3, the other one is a desktop machine with an AMD Duron, also at 700MHz. Apart from the fact that both machines are about the same age, they don't seem to have much in common. However, both fail to boot at the same point. On both machines, the last messages of the kernel of are along the lines of: PCI: Found IRQ 10 for device 0000:00:08.0 PCI: Sharing IRQ 10 with 0000:00:0b.0 PCI: Sharing IRQ 10 with 0000:01:00.0 PCI: Found IRQ 5 for device 0000:00:08.1 NET: Registered protocol family 2 Then it just stops. I've tried many different kernel versions (2.6.17-rt8, 2.6.17-rt5, even as far back as 2.6.13-rt14), to no avail. I also tried turning ACPI and APIC on/off, which didn't help either. Now I'm at a loss... The same kernels boot just fine on a more recent machine. What else can I try, or how do I find out where exactly (and why) it hangs? Is anyone successfully running a realtime kernel on a similarly old machine? Thanks, Dominic From _ at whats-your.name Wed Sep 20 12:11:32 2006 From: _ at whats-your.name (carmen) Date: Wed Sep 20 12:06:20 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Realtime kernel does not boot In-Reply-To: <200609201752.55621.dominic.sacre@gmx.de> References: <200609201752.55621.dominic.sacre@gmx.de> Message-ID: <20060920161132.GB2079@replic.net> > Apart from the fact that both machines are about the same age, they don't > seem to have much in common. However, both fail to boot at the same > point. > NET: Registered protocol family 2 > > Then it just stops. I've tried many different kernel versions (2.6.17-rt8, > 2.6.17-rt5, even as far back as 2.6.13-rt14), to no avail. I also tried > turning ACPI and APIC on/off, which didn't help either. Now I'm at a > loss... The same kernels boot just fine on a more recent machine. > > What else can I try, or how do I find out where exactly (and why) it > hangs? you can try adding kernel arguments like: noapic, nolapic, noacpi, irqpoll (not all at once) you can try changing the kernel config. irq polling styles (at-apic vs acpi is it?) cpu types (i386 vs Athlon), scheduler types (cfq vs this vs that) if you find out how to debug a frozen kernel (ie, doesnt even get a chance to print a backtrace) let us know. ive been tryin out ingo's kernel every 6 month or so for the past couple of years on a few differet amd64 rigs using the above techniques. so far it always blackscreens/reboots right after grub, freezes during boot, or freezes anywhere from 3 to 20 minutes after booting regardless of load. i dont want to say the above techniques are a total waste of time, as they do tend to change when it freezes from eg, right after grub, to later on, etc. so theyre doing something.. Is anyone successfully running a realtime kernel on a similarly old > machine? > > Thanks, > Dominic > From dlphillips at woh.rr.com Wed Sep 20 12:29:07 2006 From: dlphillips at woh.rr.com (Dave Phillips) Date: Wed Sep 20 12:07:11 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Musix 0.59b19 is out In-Reply-To: <200609201237.04014.chris.cannam@ferventsoftware.com> References: <200609162025.53418.marcospcmusica@gmail.com> <451127E3.9090007@woh.rr.com> <200609201237.04014.chris.cannam@ferventsoftware.com> Message-ID: <45116C53.3070202@woh.rr.com> Chris, hold on, I think I have a badly made disc. I'll burn the image again and try again. From rlrevell at joe-job.com Wed Sep 20 12:21:09 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Wed Sep 20 12:19:56 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Realtime kernel does not boot In-Reply-To: <20060920161132.GB2079@replic.net> References: <200609201752.55621.dominic.sacre@gmx.de> <20060920161132.GB2079@replic.net> Message-ID: <1158769270.20628.9.camel@mindpipe> On Wed, 2006-09-20 at 16:11 +0000, carmen wrote: > if you find out how to debug a frozen kernel (ie, doesnt even get a > chance to print a backtrace) let us know. ive been tryin out ingo's > kernel every 6 month or so for the past couple of years on a few > differet amd64 rigs using the above techniques. so far it always > blackscreens/reboots right after grub, freezes during boot, or freezes > anywhere from 3 to 20 minutes after booting regardless of load. i dont > want to say the above techniques are a total waste of time, as they do > tend to change when it freezes from eg, right after grub, to later on, > etc. so theyre doing something.. Works perfectly here for months on a dual core AMD64. Probably a bad .config. Try disabling all kernel debugging options. Lee From dlphillips at woh.rr.com Wed Sep 20 14:10:14 2006 From: dlphillips at woh.rr.com (Dave Phillips) Date: Wed Sep 20 13:47:45 2006 Subject: StudioToGo boots okay, was Re: [linux-audio-user] Musix 0.59b19 is out In-Reply-To: <200609201237.04014.chris.cannam@ferventsoftware.com> References: <200609162025.53418.marcospcmusica@gmail.com> <451127E3.9090007@woh.rr.com> <200609201237.04014.chris.cannam@ferventsoftware.com> Message-ID: <45118406.3090308@woh.rr.com> Hi Chris: I burned another disc and STG boots fine. Sorry for the false alarm. Best, dp From paul at linuxaudiosystems.com Wed Sep 20 14:17:48 2006 From: paul at linuxaudiosystems.com (Paul Davis) Date: Wed Sep 20 14:18:42 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Realtime kernel does not boot In-Reply-To: <20060920161132.GB2079@replic.net> References: <200609201752.55621.dominic.sacre@gmx.de> <20060920161132.GB2079@replic.net> Message-ID: <1158776268.4691.83.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Wed, 2006-09-20 at 16:11 +0000, carmen wrote: > if you find out how to debug a frozen kernel (ie, doesnt even get a chance to print a backtrace) let us know. ive been tryin out ingo's kernel every 6 month or so for the past couple of years on a few differet amd64 rigs using the above techniques. so far it always blackscreens/reboots right after grub, freezes during boot, or freezes anywhere from 3 to 20 minutes after booting regardless of load. i dont want to say the above techniques are a total waste of time, as they do tend to change when it freezes from eg, right after grub, to later on, etc. so theyre doing something.. same here with 2.6.17-rt8 and a dual opteron system. removing kernel/RT debugging improves things, but not so much that the system will run for long. its a bit sad. From dominic.sacre at gmx.de Wed Sep 20 14:32:29 2006 From: dominic.sacre at gmx.de (Dominic =?iso-8859-1?q?Sacr=E9?=) Date: Wed Sep 20 14:34:58 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Realtime kernel does not boot In-Reply-To: <20060920161132.GB2079@replic.net> References: <200609201752.55621.dominic.sacre@gmx.de> <20060920161132.GB2079@replic.net> Message-ID: <200609202032.29517.dominic.sacre@gmx.de> On Wednesday, 20. September 2006 18:11, carmen wrote: > you can try adding kernel arguments like: noapic, nolapic, noacpi, > irqpoll (not all at once) Well, most of my efforts so far revolved around these kernel arguments, but none of them makes any difference (except for acpi=off, whithout which the thinkpad hangs even earlier). > you can try changing the kernel config. irq polling styles (at-apic vs > acpi is it?) cpu types (i386 vs Athlon), scheduler types (cfq vs this > vs that) All this doesn't seem to help either, unfortunately :/ One more thing I've noticed: It doesn't matter if the kernel is actually compiled with realtime preemption enabled. Just patching a vanilla kernel and then configuring it for "Low-Latency Desktop" will produce a kernel that does not boot... Dominic From rlrevell at joe-job.com Wed Sep 20 14:48:58 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Wed Sep 20 14:47:45 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Realtime kernel does not boot In-Reply-To: <1158776268.4691.83.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <200609201752.55621.dominic.sacre@gmx.de> <20060920161132.GB2079@replic.net> <1158776268.4691.83.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1158778138.20628.41.camel@mindpipe> On Wed, 2006-09-20 at 14:17 -0400, Paul Davis wrote: > On Wed, 2006-09-20 at 16:11 +0000, carmen wrote: > > if you find out how to debug a frozen kernel (ie, doesnt even get a chance to print a backtrace) let us know. ive been tryin out ingo's kernel every 6 month or so for the past couple of years on a few differet amd64 rigs using the above techniques. so far it always blackscreens/reboots right after grub, freezes during boot, or freezes anywhere from 3 to 20 minutes after booting regardless of load. i dont want to say the above techniques are a total waste of time, as they do tend to change when it freezes from eg, right after grub, to later on, etc. so theyre doing something.. > > same here with 2.6.17-rt8 and a dual opteron system. removing kernel/RT > debugging improves things, but not so much that the system will run for > long. its a bit sad. > 2.6.18-rt2 is out now, it's worth a try. I'd be interested to see if the problem can be reproduced with the .config I posted. Neither I nor the 64studio guys nor any of their users can reproduce these problems at all. Lee From marcospcmusica at gmail.com Wed Sep 20 09:47:32 2006 From: marcospcmusica at gmail.com (Marcos Guglielmetti) Date: Wed Sep 20 15:00:43 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Musix 0.59b19 is out In-Reply-To: <451127E3.9090007@woh.rr.com> References: <200609162025.53418.marcospcmusica@gmail.com> <451127E3.9090007@woh.rr.com> Message-ID: <200609201547.33046.marcospcmusica@gmail.com> El Mi?rcoles, 20 de Septiembre de 2006 13:37, Dave Phillips escribi?: > Marcos Guglielmetti wrote: > >Now Musix GNU/Linux 0.59 should boot fine in all PCs, > > > >http://www.musix.org.ar/en/download.html > > Works perfectly now. Great, sorry about all the problems we had > Thank you, Marcos ! I look forward to testing it > today. Good luck > Now I have to let the StudioToGo guys know that their ISO also > misbehaves. Was there some bad version of mkisofs getting around ? Yes: 4:2.01+01a03-5 from Debian/testing..... I builded the last ISO using 4:2.0+a27-1 from debian/stable, but there is another mkisofs version into debian/unstable: 5:1.0~pre4-1 0 Pero igual, ya ni loco lo hago con un debian que no sea estable! Regards, -- Marcos Guglielmetti * Director del desarrollo de Musix GNU+Linux, 100% Software Libre * CD Donwload: (http://www.musix.org.ar/en/) (www.pc-musica.com.ar/musix) * Videos, programas y otras cosas en: ftp://musix.ourproject.org/pub/musix/ * Reporte de errores a: https://www.musix.org.ar/wiki/index.php?title=Problemas-Bugs *IRC: #musix channel on freenode From _ at whats-your.name Wed Sep 20 15:18:02 2006 From: _ at whats-your.name (carmen) Date: Wed Sep 20 15:12:50 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Realtime kernel does not boot In-Reply-To: <1158778138.20628.41.camel@mindpipe> References: <200609201752.55621.dominic.sacre@gmx.de> <20060920161132.GB2079@replic.net> <1158776268.4691.83.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1158778138.20628.41.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <20060920191802.GC2079@replic.net> > 2.6.18-rt2 is out now, it's worth a try. > > I'd be interested to see if the problem can be reproduced with > the .config I posted. Neither I nor the 64studio guys nor any of their > users can reproduce these problems at all. is said .config in the list archives? interested in trying it out.. > > Lee > From rlrevell at joe-job.com Wed Sep 20 15:19:52 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Wed Sep 20 15:18:40 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Realtime kernel does not boot In-Reply-To: <20060920191802.GC2079@replic.net> References: <200609201752.55621.dominic.sacre@gmx.de> <20060920161132.GB2079@replic.net> <1158776268.4691.83.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1158778138.20628.41.camel@mindpipe> <20060920191802.GC2079@replic.net> Message-ID: <1158779993.20628.43.camel@mindpipe> On Wed, 2006-09-20 at 19:18 +0000, carmen wrote: > > 2.6.18-rt2 is out now, it's worth a try. > > > > I'd be interested to see if the problem can be reproduced with > > the .config I posted. Neither I nor the 64studio guys nor any of their > > users can reproduce these problems at all. > > is said .config in the list archives? interested in trying it out.. Oh, right, it was queued for being over the size limit. I mailed it to you off list. Lee From markknecht at gmail.com Wed Sep 20 15:43:25 2006 From: markknecht at gmail.com (Mark Knecht) Date: Wed Sep 20 15:43:33 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Realtime kernel does not boot In-Reply-To: <1158778138.20628.41.camel@mindpipe> References: <200609201752.55621.dominic.sacre@gmx.de> <20060920161132.GB2079@replic.net> <1158776268.4691.83.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1158778138.20628.41.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <5bdc1c8b0609201243v768c0516n51a8b9be6ed1923e@mail.gmail.com> On 9/20/06, Lee Revell wrote: > > 2.6.18-rt2 is out now, it's worth a try. > > I'd be interested to see if the problem can be reproduced with > the .config I posted. Neither I nor the 64studio guys nor any of their > users can reproduce these problems at all. > > Lee 2.6.18-rt2 doesn't boot on my AMD64 machine. 2.6.17-rt5 is fine. 2.6.17-rt8 is unreliable booting for me. I'd suggesting giving Ingo a few days to work through the initial reports before anyone do *too* much work with the 2.6.18-rt stuff. Just my thoughts. Cheers, Mark From rlrevell at joe-job.com Wed Sep 20 15:54:08 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Wed Sep 20 15:52:56 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Realtime kernel does not boot In-Reply-To: <5bdc1c8b0609201243v768c0516n51a8b9be6ed1923e@mail.gmail.com> References: <200609201752.55621.dominic.sacre@gmx.de> <20060920161132.GB2079@replic.net> <1158776268.4691.83.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1158778138.20628.41.camel@mindpipe> <5bdc1c8b0609201243v768c0516n51a8b9be6ed1923e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1158782049.20628.54.camel@mindpipe> On Wed, 2006-09-20 at 12:43 -0700, Mark Knecht wrote: > On 9/20/06, Lee Revell wrote: > > > > > 2.6.18-rt2 is out now, it's worth a try. > > > > I'd be interested to see if the problem can be reproduced with > > the .config I posted. Neither I nor the 64studio guys nor any of their > > users can reproduce these problems at all. > > > > Lee > > 2.6.18-rt2 doesn't boot on my AMD64 machine. > > 2.6.17-rt5 is fine. 2.6.17-rt8 is unreliable booting for me. > > I'd suggesting giving Ingo a few days to work through the initial > reports before anyone do *too* much work with the 2.6.18-rt stuff. > Just my thoughts. On the bright side, 2.8.18-rt* is the first -rt patch since 2.6.13 or so to be *smaller* than the previous one, due to many -rt only features going into mainline for 2.6.18. Hopefully this trend will continue... Lee From folderol at ukfsn.org Wed Sep 20 15:57:21 2006 From: folderol at ukfsn.org (Folderol) Date: Wed Sep 20 15:57:12 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] old booze, new bottle In-Reply-To: <45114F1A.5050207@woh.rr.com> References: <45114F1A.5050207@woh.rr.com> Message-ID: <20060920205721.01d4120f@localhost> On Wed, 20 Sep 2006 10:24:26 -0400 Dave Phillips wrote: > Greetings: > > I've put a new recording here : > > http://linux-sound.org/prelude.ogg > > The piece is not new, but this time I used ZynAddSubFX's lovely DX > Rhodes 2 instead of my beloved TX802s. Zyn sounded so good I started > seriously considering giving up my hardware synths. I may not go so far > yet, but it's only a matter of time. > > Anyway, I hope you like the piece, it's just a brief instrumental > sequenced in Sequencer Plus Gold and performed by that program running > under DOSemu. Throw in Zyn and QJackCtl, and there you have it. :) > > More (new) stuff coming soon... > > Best, > > dp Very nice too. Don't throw away your hardware synth just yet though :) I've been getting quite a lot of practise in with Zyn, but there are still some voices that I can't get right that are available on my Sound canvas or SY35. ... then again there are things that Zyn can do easily that I haven't seen anywhere else . -- Will J G From nickycopeland at hotmail.com Wed Sep 20 16:31:39 2006 From: nickycopeland at hotmail.com (Nick Copeland) Date: Wed Sep 20 16:31:53 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: ANN: bristol 0.9.5-60 In-Reply-To: <8d27a0610609200516w38eb33d0r6650cd1f907c702c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Nice piece of work on the issue with the audio device access failing. This does indeed happen - if the GUI does not get a response from the engine (that is started before it) then it kind of hangs. I will work on this. It had been reported before, but I rested on the case that 'it works on my system' so I could not reproduce it. Next release hopefully I can get it to exit gracefully if the audio device is not available, or that it responds correctly to other device specifications. Yes, the gain is low, but I did not know it was THAT low. Can you try using the 'startBristol -gain 8', or more than 8 if you need, to increase the final stage output gain. Watch out for the B3 though, it still thumps out at quite a high level by comparison. I will mention that a fix other than the final output stage gain is a bit gruesome, since the internals rely on the signal levels used by the application - changing those would affect filtering levels, for example, and especially when the emphasis is high. If you are working with 16bit audio then using the output gain should not really reduce the quality, but at 24bits, if you have this resoution, then it is a non optimal solution for various reasons. Another alterntive is too buy a couple of mallets with which to whallop your master keyboard. No? Ok, I would not have gone for that one either. Regarding MIDI support - what do need bristol to do? It should respond to a MIDI keyboard to allow you to play notes, but a the moment it will not link its controls to MIDI Continuous Controllers. That is also due to be changed as part of some usability enhancements: it should include controller mappings from the GUI, save the settings to a per synth memory (not per memory, just one setting per synth), it should support program change messages and allow the keyboard graphic to reflect the state of the midi keyboard (I am personally against this - tying two synths together allows one to play the other, but it does not cause the keys on one to be depressed via midi. Either way, people like it so it will probably be implemented). Is this what you need? It something have put on the to-do list. On a related issue, what are other wishes for bristol? My plans are the midi support, lash support, a korg ms-20 type synth, finalise the mixer and perhaps add a bristol modular although I don't like this last idea to much as it goes against the idea of being an emulator. I will put the EMS Synthi on the list, although I don't have a breadboard patching and I was not aware they had patch cable controlled synths - this is EMS, no? I will admit to wanting to work on some of their synths already, but if I get a breadboard then perhaps an ARP 2500 is on the cards although that is a lot more work. Kind Regards, and many thanks for the feedback. A wishlist would make me happy, above and beyond what is in this mail. Nick. >From: "Paul Coccoli" >Reply-To: A list for linux audio users > >To: "A list for linux audio users" >Subject: Re: [linux-audio-user] Re: ANN: bristol 0.9.5-60 >Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2006 08:16:22 -0400 > >On 9/20/06, Jouni Rinne wrote: >>Sylvain Robitaille kirjoitti: >> >> > Bristol is working for me if I add "-audiodev plughw:1,0", though its >> > output isn't very loud (compared to other audio applications) >> >>Why is Bristol's output so quiet? At first I thought it wasn't producing >>any >>sound at all, but then I began to hear faint sounds when hammering the >>keyboard, >>and found out that I had to turn my amplifier up quite a bit before the >>sound >>was on level with the other audio applications. >> >>Is there something I could do to get more noise from Bristol? I'm using >>-jack as >>an output. >> >>JR >> >>-- >>| me@home ~$whoami ^ ^ | "Trust me, I know what I'm doing!" | >>| Jouni 'Mad Max' Rinne ('x') | - Sledge Hammer | >>| me@home ~$man woman C " " | -------[ph34r t3h p3Ngu1n]-------- | >>| Segmentation fault (core dumped) | l33tmmx at sci dot fi | >> > >Bristol has always been that quiet. For years. I don't know why the >developer doesn't fix it. Now htat it has jack support, that's easy >enough to remedy. > >Can anyone familiar with the synths it emulates comment on their >quality (besides lack of volume)? > >Now who's got a LASH patch for this? _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ From markknecht at gmail.com Wed Sep 20 16:42:39 2006 From: markknecht at gmail.com (Mark Knecht) Date: Wed Sep 20 16:54:15 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Realtime kernel does not boot In-Reply-To: <1158782049.20628.54.camel@mindpipe> References: <200609201752.55621.dominic.sacre@gmx.de> <20060920161132.GB2079@replic.net> <1158776268.4691.83.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1158778138.20628.41.camel@mindpipe> <5bdc1c8b0609201243v768c0516n51a8b9be6ed1923e@mail.gmail.com> <1158782049.20628.54.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <5bdc1c8b0609201342l5304c3a8yeb03c5855c769f7c@mail.gmail.com> On 9/20/06, Lee Revell wrote: > On Wed, 2006-09-20 at 12:43 -0700, Mark Knecht wrote: > > On 9/20/06, Lee Revell wrote: > > > > > > > > 2.6.18-rt2 is out now, it's worth a try. > > > > > > I'd be interested to see if the problem can be reproduced with > > > the .config I posted. Neither I nor the 64studio guys nor any of their > > > users can reproduce these problems at all. > > > > > > Lee > > > > 2.6.18-rt2 doesn't boot on my AMD64 machine. > > > > 2.6.17-rt5 is fine. 2.6.17-rt8 is unreliable booting for me. > > > > I'd suggesting giving Ingo a few days to work through the initial > > reports before anyone do *too* much work with the 2.6.18-rt stuff. > > Just my thoughts. > > On the bright side, 2.8.18-rt* is the first -rt patch since 2.6.13 or so > to be *smaller* than the previous one, due to many -rt only features > going into mainline for 2.6.18. Hopefully this trend will continue... > Yeah, one can only hope! I'm now writing you from my first booting 2.6.18-rt3 on AMD64. Still many issues. Traces showing up in dmesg. For some reason all the modules got built into the kernel. It seems that the make oldconfig process failed me, but still: mark@lightning ~ $ uname -a Linux lightning 2.6.18-rt3 #1 SMP PREEMPT Wed Sep 20 13:14:06 PDT 2006 x86_64 AMD Athlon(tm) 64 Processor 3000+ GNU/Linux mark@lightning ~ $ It's a start! - Mark From rlrevell at joe-job.com Wed Sep 20 17:15:46 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Wed Sep 20 17:14:33 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Realtime kernel does not boot In-Reply-To: <5bdc1c8b0609201342l5304c3a8yeb03c5855c769f7c@mail.gmail.com> References: <200609201752.55621.dominic.sacre@gmx.de> <20060920161132.GB2079@replic.net> <1158776268.4691.83.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1158778138.20628.41.camel@mindpipe> <5bdc1c8b0609201243v768c0516n51a8b9be6ed1923e@mail.gmail.com> <1158782049.20628.54.camel@mindpipe> <5bdc1c8b0609201342l5304c3a8yeb03c5855c769f7c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1158786947.20628.62.camel@mindpipe> On Wed, 2006-09-20 at 13:42 -0700, Mark Knecht wrote: > Traces showing up in dmesg. It would be useful to see them... Lee From helycos at yahoo.co.uk Wed Sep 20 17:54:05 2006 From: helycos at yahoo.co.uk (Tim Beauregard) Date: Wed Sep 20 17:53:04 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Do I need a preamp for the SoundBlaster Live? Message-ID: <4511B87D.8000601@yahoo.co.uk> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hello, The spare room in our house is used for both singing lessons and computer activities. We are embarking on an audio adventure, with singing students holding a Shure SM58 microphone which is plugged into the jack on the front of the PC (a SoundBlaster Live! 5.1), singing to backing tracks played through the PC speakers/headphones. This is for them to practice using a microphone. My question is basic, do I need a preamp for the microphone or is the LiveDrive doing that job? At the moment the volume which is high enough to hear through the speakers is very close to feedback volume, and also sounds distorted. Thanks! Tim Linux 2.6.17 Debian/unstable. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFFEbh9sUUdIDHrdAURAlb3AKCXFed9lYtcJ2zvIMqfIeRJEfPQwQCgmhF0 hG1DkJFcVC9d41Pw0w+VXP0= =x+V6 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From capocasa at gmx.net Wed Sep 20 18:07:01 2006 From: capocasa at gmx.net (Carlo Capocasa) Date: Wed Sep 20 18:07:37 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Do I need a preamp for the SoundBlaster Live? In-Reply-To: <4511B87D.8000601@yahoo.co.uk> References: <4511B87D.8000601@yahoo.co.uk> Message-ID: Yes. However, since you are willing to invest in a pre-amp, you might want to consider getting a sound card that is geared at pro recording, that INCLUDES a pre-amp. This is the path I have chosen, full analog signal chain integration (tm). In my estimation you will get better quality per price. Perhaps something from Roland or M-Audio. I recommend FireWire due to performance and flexibility (connect to a Mac, linux PC, linux laptop, PowerBook, ...) Carlo Tim Beauregard schrieb: > Hello, > > The spare room in our house is used for both singing lessons and > computer activities. We are embarking on an audio adventure, with > singing students holding a Shure SM58 microphone which is plugged into > the jack on the front of the PC (a SoundBlaster Live! 5.1), singing to > backing tracks played through the PC speakers/headphones. This is for > them to practice using a microphone. > > My question is basic, do I need a preamp for the microphone or is the > LiveDrive doing that job? At the moment the volume which is high enough > to hear through the speakers is very close to feedback volume, and also > sounds distorted. > > Thanks! > > Tim > > Linux 2.6.17 Debian/unstable. From tdhoward at gmail.com Wed Sep 20 19:53:06 2006 From: tdhoward at gmail.com (Tim Howard) Date: Wed Sep 20 19:53:14 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: ANN: bristol 0.9.5-60 In-Reply-To: References: <8d27a0610609200516w38eb33d0r6650cd1f907c702c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On 9/20/06, Nick Copeland wrote: > On a related issue, what are other wishes for bristol? My plans are the midi > support, lash support, a korg ms-20 type synth, finalise the mixer and > perhaps add a bristol modular although I don't like this last idea to much > as it goes against the idea of being an emulator. > I really love the sounds of this synth, but one thing that is a little aggravating (and I've noticed this on other synth GUIs as well) is that it is so hard to adjust the knobs in a "fine-tuning" way. It would be really slick if you could, for example, right click on a knob and have it change into fine-tuning mode. Just a thought. :-) -TimH From markknecht at gmail.com Wed Sep 20 20:21:06 2006 From: markknecht at gmail.com (Mark Knecht) Date: Wed Sep 20 20:21:37 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Realtime kernel does not boot In-Reply-To: <1158786947.20628.62.camel@mindpipe> References: <200609201752.55621.dominic.sacre@gmx.de> <20060920161132.GB2079@replic.net> <1158776268.4691.83.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1158778138.20628.41.camel@mindpipe> <5bdc1c8b0609201243v768c0516n51a8b9be6ed1923e@mail.gmail.com> <1158782049.20628.54.camel@mindpipe> <5bdc1c8b0609201342l5304c3a8yeb03c5855c769f7c@mail.gmail.com> <1158786947.20628.62.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <5bdc1c8b0609201721p7f31d35bs4f2845c384e2f7b1@mail.gmail.com> On 9/20/06, Lee Revell wrote: > On Wed, 2006-09-20 at 13:42 -0700, Mark Knecht wrote: > > Traces showing up in dmesg. > > It would be useful to see them... > > Lee Lee, They were sent to the LKML where they should be sent. No reason to post them here in my mind. Mark From florin at andrei.myip.org Wed Sep 20 22:14:32 2006 From: florin at andrei.myip.org (Florin Andrei) Date: Wed Sep 20 22:14:45 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Do I need a preamp for the SoundBlaster Live? In-Reply-To: References: <4511B87D.8000601@yahoo.co.uk> Message-ID: <1158804872.2713.30.camel@rivendell.home.local> To the original poster: The fact that you're using a SM58 and a SB Live indicates that you're on the cost-effective side of things. If the signal level is strong enough, then you don't need a preamp, nor do you need to change your sound card. On Thu, 2006-09-21 at 00:07 +0200, Carlo Capocasa wrote: > > However, since you are willing to invest in a pre-amp, you might want to > consider getting a sound card that is geared at pro recording, that > INCLUDES a pre-amp. This is the path I have chosen, full analog signal > chain integration (tm). Full analog signal bullsh**. "Pro recording" and cards with integrated mic preamps do not mix. That's bang-for-the-buck amateur recording, not "pro". There are three reasons to get a mic preamp: 1. The signal is too low for the existing card This is the most obvious reason. This situation can also be remedied by a card with an integrated preamp, if the quality requirements are not too high. If the signal is strong enough and you're satisfied NOW with the quality, then you don't need a mic preamp, obviously. 2. Sound quality The majority of the preamps integrated in sound cards are in the low end of the quality spectrum. The best ones are somewhere in the midrange. There is no high-end mic preamp integrated with a sound card, unless you include in the "sound card" category some multichannel mixing consoles connected digitally to a workstation (and even then some of them are pretty average when it comes to their integrated mic preamps). If you're not satisfied with the quality of the integrated preamp, and you're sure it's the preamp (not the mic, not something else), then it's time to shop around. 3. Another reason, perhaps more subtle, is related to compression. In the majority of cases, you want to perform some compression on anything captured by a mic. Doing compression in the analog chain, before the signal hits the digital domain, allows you to use the full resolution of your digital channel, which otherwise would be wasted on high-amplitude peaks which need to be trimmed off anyway, and allows you to easily fend off digital clipping which is awful and must be avoided at all costs. That's why, in a decent setup, you will often see a compressor between the mic preamp and the sound card, configured for very gentle and transparent compression. That's also the reason why many mic preamps include compressors. There's really no digital workaround for this issue. If you're already hitting that kind of quality ceiling, you must separate the preamp / compression stages from the digital chain. That being said, for amateur recording, cards with integrated mic preamps are fine. Careful with clipping and you're going to be OK. Most amateurs are in this situation. Just don't bring the pro domain into this discussion, please. -- Florin Andrei http://florin.myip.org/ From florin at andrei.myip.org Wed Sep 20 22:22:23 2006 From: florin at andrei.myip.org (Florin Andrei) Date: Wed Sep 20 22:22:35 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] old booze, new bottle In-Reply-To: <45114F1A.5050207@woh.rr.com> References: <45114F1A.5050207@woh.rr.com> Message-ID: <1158805343.2713.33.camel@rivendell.home.local> On Wed, 2006-09-20 at 10:24 -0400, Dave Phillips wrote: > http://linux-sound.org/prelude.ogg Nice! > Zyn sounded so good I started > seriously considering giving up my hardware synths. Nah, be smart, use both. ;-) -- Florin Andrei http://florin.myip.org/ From lau at therockgarden.ca Wed Sep 20 22:38:06 2006 From: lau at therockgarden.ca (Sylvain Robitaille) Date: Wed Sep 20 22:36:30 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re:Re: ANN: bristol 0.9.5-60 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Wed, 20 Sep 2006, Nick Copeland wrote: > Nice piece of work on the issue with the audio device access failing. Thanks. I'm still not sure why I'm unable to use "-audiodev plughw:2,0" on my system, as that's the add-in card I normally use with other sound applications, rather than the built-in interface at "plughw:1,0", which seems to work without any difficulty with Bristol. I tried "-jack" (JACK running on interface 2,0), but every time I tried to play a note Bristol silently exited. Nevertheless, I can work around this by using the built-in interface for Bristol (I'll need to run a separate set of cables to my hardware mixer to get this output without repatching the audio out, but that's not a serious issue at all), and the add-on card for other apps. > Can you try using the 'startBristol -gain 8', or more than 8 if you > need, to increase the final stage output gain. Ah, yes; that does it. Thank you. I can setup command aliases to start different synths at various gain levels, as necessary. So far it seems that "-gain 64" is quite reasonable on my system, though that _feels_ like it should be scary high. I haven't checked the B3 yet, but like I said, I can make a point of setting it differently if necessary. > If you are working with 16bit audio then using the output gain should > not really reduce the quality, ... It sounds just fine to me (in 16-bit) on my system, but I haven't tested extensively; (I don't really like playing a synth with a mouse, I'm afraid). > Another alterntive is too buy a couple > of mallets with which to whallop your master keyboard. No? Ummmm .... no. :-) A MIDI-marimba, perhaps? > Regarding MIDI support - what do need bristol to do? Well, I would like to be able to control it via MIDI from an external keyboard (nothing particularly fancy), but so far haven't been able to do that. I'm quite certain that I'm just not giving the correct options. > It should respond to a MIDI keyboard to allow you to play notes, Right. No luck yet. I would certainly appreciate ideas of where I should be looking. > but a the moment it will not link its controls to MIDI Continuous > Controllers. I'm not very picky: I'd like to be able to play the keyboard and have Bristol produce the sound, though it would be nice to be able to manipulate "standard" controllers (pitch and mod wheels, damper pedal, volume control, assuming controller properly sends the messages) and have them perform the expected action. Being able to manipulate knobs via MIDI CC, in my opinion would be nice, but it would be icing on the cake. Ultimately, I'll likely want to control Bristol also from a guitar-to-MIDI converter, which tends to send a lot of pitch-bend information, so at least that much would matter to me ... > it should support program change messages ... Yes, though I don't mind clicking the mouse for that. My own needs are generally simple (I'm really a guitar player, not a keyboard player). > allow the keyboard graphic to reflect the state of the midi keyboard Shrug ... I imagine that this may affect performance of the program. If it does, I'd prefer to be able to disable it, and redirect the performance to sound-generation instead ... My opinion is that if I can get MIDI keyboard control to work at all, the on-screen keyboard is useful only for testing output, and perhaps to listen to changes while progamming sounds. Maybe a blinking "LED" to acknowledge receipt of MIDI data, though? I miss that on hardware synths, but use a physical LED to troubleshoot MIDI routing when I need to. > tying two synths together allows one to play the other, but it does > not cause the keys on one to be depressed via midi. Agreed. > On a related issue, what are other wishes for bristol? Now that you have virtual cables implemented, an MS20 would be really nice ... :-) In my case, though, an MS20 implies being able to patch in external audio. Perhaps you already handled that with the 2600 emulation, though? (I don't know if the physical 2600 allowed for external audio to be patched in, but I imagine it must have) Would it be something you would consider adding to Bristol? > My plans are the midi support, lash support, a korg ms-20 type synth, ... bingo! :-) > finalise the mixer ... Am I understanding correctly that the mixer is intended to be usable to mix and process multiple instances of Bristol synth emulations into a single output? Maybe the mixer and synth emulations could all work through Jack, so the mixer could be used to mix other signals as well? Am I asking for too much? > perhaps add a bristol modular although I don't like this last idea to > much as it goes against the idea of being an emulator. Emulate the modules of some of the original modulars? I'm not trying to convince you, as I imagine that you already have thought of that ... > I will put the EMS Synthi on the list, although I don't have a breadboard > patching and I was not aware they had patch cable controlled synths - > this is EMS, no? Yes. From what I read (I have no direct experience with any EMS models), the Synthi 100 was a massive unit that you quite literally built your studio around (ie: install the synth _before_ the walls go up!) I don't _think_ it was modular in the purest sense of that term, though I imagine it likely had a patchbay. > A wishlist would make me happy, above and beyond what is in this mail. A Taurus, perhaps? I would use that ... (though I suppose I can get suitably similar sounds from the MiniMoog emulation) -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Sylvain Robitaille syl@alcor.concordia.ca Major in Electroacoustic Studies Concordia University Faculty of Fine Arts / Music Department Montreal, Quebec, Canada ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From mstein at funkyplanet.ca Wed Sep 20 23:27:19 2006 From: mstein at funkyplanet.ca (Michael Stein) Date: Wed Sep 20 23:28:08 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] dssi-vst help required Message-ID: <45120697.3070507@funkyplanet.ca> I have had good success running dssi-vst (vsthost)and fst under kubuntu, however the Native instruments Plugins seem to fail continually. I have tried simply point both of these apps at the NI plugin.dll files, but to not avail. Does anyone have experience or a how-to on how to get these plugins working? Any help is very much appreciated. From helycos at yahoo.co.uk Thu Sep 21 02:04:05 2006 From: helycos at yahoo.co.uk (Tim Beauregard) Date: Thu Sep 21 02:03:00 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Do I need a preamp for the SoundBlaster Live? In-Reply-To: References: <4511B87D.8000601@yahoo.co.uk> Message-ID: <45122B55.1050901@yahoo.co.uk> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Carlo Capocasa wrote: > Yes. Thank you for your reply, that gives me enough information to go on. The purpose is to allow the students to practice, not for recording. I shall be buying a preamp today. > However, since you are willing to invest in a pre-amp, you might want to > consider getting a sound card that is geared at pro recording, that > INCLUDES a pre-amp. This is the path I have chosen, full analog signal > chain integration (tm). In my estimation you will get better quality per > price. > > Perhaps something from Roland or M-Audio. I recommend FireWire due to > performance and flexibility (connect to a Mac, linux PC, linux laptop, > PowerBook, ...) > > Carlo > > Tim Beauregard schrieb: >> Hello, >> >> The spare room in our house is used for both singing lessons and >> computer activities. We are embarking on an audio adventure, with >> singing students holding a Shure SM58 microphone which is plugged into >> the jack on the front of the PC (a SoundBlaster Live! 5.1), singing to >> backing tracks played through the PC speakers/headphones. This is for >> them to practice using a microphone. >> >> My question is basic, do I need a preamp for the microphone or is the >> LiveDrive doing that job? At the moment the volume which is high enough >> to hear through the speakers is very close to feedback volume, and also >> sounds distorted. >> >> Thanks! >> >> Tim >> >> Linux 2.6.17 Debian/unstable. > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFFEitUsUUdIDHrdAURAlGrAKCW1Zogd9rl5TXkT7/LK/Mhkku5JQCghoLJ /+LM2yTDU3KGkDAH5t4s6r8= =l+ZF -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From helycos at yahoo.co.uk Thu Sep 21 02:04:49 2006 From: helycos at yahoo.co.uk (Tim Beauregard) Date: Thu Sep 21 02:04:03 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Do I need a preamp for the SoundBlaster Live? In-Reply-To: <1158804872.2713.30.camel@rivendell.home.local> References: <4511B87D.8000601@yahoo.co.uk> <1158804872.2713.30.camel@rivendell.home.local> Message-ID: <45122B81.908@yahoo.co.uk> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Florin Andrei wrote: > To the original poster: > The fact that you're using a SM58 and a SB Live indicates that you're on > the cost-effective side of things. If the signal level is strong enough, > then you don't need a preamp, nor do you need to change your sound card. Thank you for your guidance, I am going for the cost-effective end! I'll be buying a preamp. Tim > > On Thu, 2006-09-21 at 00:07 +0200, Carlo Capocasa wrote: >> However, since you are willing to invest in a pre-amp, you might want to >> consider getting a sound card that is geared at pro recording, that >> INCLUDES a pre-amp. This is the path I have chosen, full analog signal >> chain integration (tm). > > Full analog signal bullsh**. > "Pro recording" and cards with integrated mic preamps do not mix. That's > bang-for-the-buck amateur recording, not "pro". > > There are three reasons to get a mic preamp: > > 1. The signal is too low for the existing card > This is the most obvious reason. This situation can also be remedied by > a card with an integrated preamp, if the quality requirements are not > too high. > If the signal is strong enough and you're satisfied NOW with the > quality, then you don't need a mic preamp, obviously. > > 2. Sound quality > The majority of the preamps integrated in sound cards are in the low end > of the quality spectrum. The best ones are somewhere in the midrange. > There is no high-end mic preamp integrated with a sound card, unless you > include in the "sound card" category some multichannel mixing consoles > connected digitally to a workstation (and even then some of them are > pretty average when it comes to their integrated mic preamps). > If you're not satisfied with the quality of the integrated preamp, and > you're sure it's the preamp (not the mic, not something else), then it's > time to shop around. > > 3. Another reason, perhaps more subtle, is related to compression. In > the majority of cases, you want to perform some compression on anything > captured by a mic. > Doing compression in the analog chain, before the signal hits the > digital domain, allows you to use the full resolution of your digital > channel, which otherwise would be wasted on high-amplitude peaks which > need to be trimmed off anyway, and allows you to easily fend off digital > clipping which is awful and must be avoided at all costs. > That's why, in a decent setup, you will often see a compressor between > the mic preamp and the sound card, configured for very gentle and > transparent compression. > That's also the reason why many mic preamps include compressors. > There's really no digital workaround for this issue. If you're already > hitting that kind of quality ceiling, you must separate the preamp / > compression stages from the digital chain. > > That being said, for amateur recording, cards with integrated mic > preamps are fine. Careful with clipping and you're going to be OK. Most > amateurs are in this situation. > Just don't bring the pro domain into this discussion, please. > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFFEiuAsUUdIDHrdAURApHwAJ9i3lFJ5xgILZVgYzcg81CF9ztBjQCePwmB iguheZKReTWL42pQLpdtW8U= =v1pB -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From iainduncan at telus.net Thu Sep 21 02:39:39 2006 From: iainduncan at telus.net (Iain Duncan) Date: Thu Sep 21 02:52:10 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Do I need a preamp for the SoundBlaster Live? In-Reply-To: <45122B55.1050901@yahoo.co.uk> References: <4511B87D.8000601@yahoo.co.uk> <45122B55.1050901@yahoo.co.uk> Message-ID: <1158820779.9674.2.camel@xornot-ubuntu> On Thu, 2006-21-09 at 07:04 +0100, Tim Beauregard wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Carlo Capocasa wrote: > > Yes. > > Thank you for your reply, that gives me enough information to go on. > The purpose is to allow the students to practice, not for recording. I > shall be buying a preamp today. I don't recommend buying a preamp for a soundblaster really. External preamps are usually very good and quite pricey. You would be better off getting a decent sound card that has a decent preamp instead of putting a ferrari engine in a an old VW bug! Check out the presonus firebox, they are good cards with surprisingly good preamps for the price. The inputs on a soundblaster are really not very good and the improvement in signal from your external preamp would be wasted. Iain From iainduncan at telus.net Thu Sep 21 02:45:09 2006 From: iainduncan at telus.net (Iain Duncan) Date: Thu Sep 21 02:57:50 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Do I need a preamp for the SoundBlaster Live? In-Reply-To: <45122B81.908@yahoo.co.uk> References: <4511B87D.8000601@yahoo.co.uk> <1158804872.2713.30.camel@rivendell.home.local> <45122B81.908@yahoo.co.uk> Message-ID: <1158821109.9674.7.camel@xornot-ubuntu> > > On Thu, 2006-09-21 at 00:07 +0200, Carlo Capocasa wrote: > >> However, since you are willing to invest in a pre-amp, you might want to > >> consider getting a sound card that is geared at pro recording, that > >> INCLUDES a pre-amp. This is the path I have chosen, full analog signal > >> chain integration (tm). > > > > Full analog signal bullsh**. > > "Pro recording" and cards with integrated mic preamps do not mix. That's > > bang-for-the-buck amateur recording, not "pro". > > 2. Sound quality > > The majority of the preamps integrated in sound cards are in the low end > > of the quality spectrum. The best ones are somewhere in the midrange. > > There is no high-end mic preamp integrated with a sound card, unless you > > include in the "sound card" category some multichannel mixing consoles > > connected digitally to a workstation (and even then some of them are > > pretty average when it comes to their integrated mic preamps). > > If you're not satisfied with the quality of the integrated preamp, and > > you're sure it's the preamp (not the mic, not something else), then it's > > time to shop around. Presonus is the notable exception to the above, and one of the only firewire cards with linux support. Check the reviews in Sound on Sound or other pro engineering mags. I would honestly say that if you want to go mic->pre->card for under a grand total, they are the way to go. The pres on the presonus are *better* than on most small mixing boards by quite a bit. Of course they are not going to stack up against external dedicated pres. In that case, I'd say the FMR really nice pre is the best bet, especially combined with the RNC and RNLA ( Really Nice Compressor and Really Nice Levelling Amplifier. ) But truthfully, I don't think a sub $500 mic needs a pre better than the ones on the presonus cards. They are way better than the similar offerings from M-Audio or Edirol. Hope that is helpful Iain From florin at andrei.myip.org Thu Sep 21 03:37:35 2006 From: florin at andrei.myip.org (Florin Andrei) Date: Thu Sep 21 03:37:47 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Do I need a preamp for the SoundBlaster Live? In-Reply-To: <1158821109.9674.7.camel@xornot-ubuntu> References: <4511B87D.8000601@yahoo.co.uk> <1158804872.2713.30.camel@rivendell.home.local> <45122B81.908@yahoo.co.uk> <1158821109.9674.7.camel@xornot-ubuntu> Message-ID: <1158824255.2804.17.camel@rivendell.home.local> On Wed, 2006-09-20 at 23:45 -0700, Iain Duncan wrote: > Presonus is the notable exception to the above, and one of the only > firewire cards with linux support. Check the reviews in Sound on Sound > or other pro engineering mags. I would honestly say that if you want to > go mic->pre->card for under a grand total, they are the way to go. You mean the Firepod? I'd very much like to try it myself, I've heard good things about it, coming from trustworthy sources, but I've no first-hand experience with it. If it's good, it's not too expensive, considering the features. > Of course they are not going to stack up against external > dedicated pres. In that case, I'd say the FMR really nice pre is the > best bet, especially combined with the RNC and RNLA ( Really Nice > Compressor and Really Nice Levelling Amplifier. ) True. The stuff at fmraudio.com has a high performance/price ratio. I own their RNC and it's amazing how that little ugly box can sound like. > But truthfully, I > don't think a sub $500 mic needs a pre better than the ones on the > presonus cards. They are way better than the similar offerings from > M-Audio or Edirol. Well, even with a cheap SM58 you may still hear a difference if you use a really good analog input stage, but yeah, I know what you mean. -- Florin Andrei http://florin.myip.org/ From jamesmichaelmcdermott at gmail.com Thu Sep 21 04:32:13 2006 From: jamesmichaelmcdermott at gmail.com (James McDermott) Date: Thu Sep 21 04:32:20 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Where to do a computer music related PhD In-Reply-To: References: <20060919175116.GA12305@fitz.Belkin> Message-ID: Have a look at: http://www.s2s2.org/content/view/13/66/ which lists a bunch of European universities involved in sound and music computing. There are also several universities doing music tech stuff in Britain (Edinburgh, York, London, Plymouth...) and Ireland (Belfast, Dublin, Limerick) which aren't mentioned there. [Plug:] I'm in Uni of Limerick and there is a group here doing "interaction design", often applied to music: http://www.idc.ul.ie/ Search scholar.google.com for the area you'd like to study (eg "audio human computer interaction", and note the author and institution names that appear on the papers! It is sometimes possible to get funding for a PhD, eg through an EU grant, and the best bet is to make contact with people you'd like to work with and see what they say. James From juuso.alasuutari at tamperelainen.org Thu Sep 21 04:46:30 2006 From: juuso.alasuutari at tamperelainen.org (juuso.alasuutari@tamperelainen.org) Date: Thu Sep 21 04:43:23 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Best distro for an Intel Powerbook dual boot? In-Reply-To: <20060920154918.GA2079@replic.net> References: <450CCCFD.90300@telus.net> <6Yt0YD.A.rl.CdAEFB@t1950ct.private> <1158684406.45101ef621b08@webmail.telus.net> <1158740029.4510f83d92aa2@cs1.alpha12.l-secure.net> <20060920154918.GA2079@replic.net> Message-ID: <1158828390.451251660a0d6@cs1.alpha12.l-secure.net> > > If you want to try another source-based distro, give Source Mage a go. It > lets > > you configure, tweak, and optimize anything that's possible, but installing > > packages might not be as hard as with Gentoo. > > easier than 'emerge dino seq24 alsaseq2jackmidi ingen' ? > > imo we need to come up with a generalized cros-distro build metadata format > since at least gentoo, sourcemage, and archlinux have similar yet > incompatible ways to specify this.. Replace 'emerge' with 'cast' and you're set (to answer some dependency & options queries and wait for compile to finish), providing that spells (we call our packages that) exist for those apps. Some audio app spells are still missing from our grimoires (repositories), but I can whip them up in no time. I've added audio apps at a steady rate during the past weeks, and plan on doing so until all necessary ones are available. If you go Source Mage and find that something's missing, just make a request. And now onto another interesting subject: What do you mean by "cross-distro metadata format"? Do you mean a data file shipped with the sources that would include info about required and optional dependencies, etc? I see many reasons why something like that wouldn't work, one of the largest being that packages aren't (and won't be) homogenously named across distros. Also build systems differ considerably, and a metadata format that tries to give a detailed specification about what configure options do which things and how they are applied, it would be... well, another build system. :) I _can_ imagine establishing a unified format for source-based distros, but that would effectively mean forcing the same package manager unto all. I don't see that as a real solution. Besides, in these things the most popular usually wins, and the most popular isn't necessary the best. That being said, I must add that (from a source-based developer's point of view) a common metadata format for source packages already exists: It's the metadata that forms inside a developer's mind as he reads the README and INSTALL files, the author's web site, documentation, the output of './configure --help' (or an equivalent), the content of the Makefiles, and finally when he tests all the possible build options to see what it is that they do. :) > in other words i wouldnt mind trying sourcemage, but not if it means giving > up proadio-overlay. You do realize that you've effectively locked yourself in the current position with that, right? :) I have the impression that proaudio-overlay is a Gentoo repository, which means you'll not find it outside Gentoo, either. But if you're asking whether Source Mage has a repository (grimoire) like that, the answer is no. Instead we have one large main grimoire where you'll find everything you need, except games and non-Free/binary packages (those are in separate grimoires). Juuso PS: List members, please: Just let me know if this is too OT, I'll continue in private if necessary. ---------------------------------------------------------------- This mail sent through L-secure: http://www.l-secure.net/ From nickycopeland at hotmail.com Thu Sep 21 04:59:15 2006 From: nickycopeland at hotmail.com (Nick Copeland) Date: Thu Sep 21 04:59:27 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re:Re: ANN: bristol 0.9.5-60 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: >I'm still not sure why I'm unable to use "-audiodev plughw:2,0" At the moment all of my development is done on a laptop, my tower system is in storage in the UK so I don't have access to multiple soundcards to really test this one. >but every time I tried to play a note [with jack] Bristol silently exited. The engine has probably exit due to not being able to open the audio interface, or has core dumped. If you have coredumpsize enabled we would debug that case. The only reasons I know of for failing to open jack is permissions if you do not have the PAM modules enabled then bristol may not have the desired rights to connect? >I can setup command aliases to start different synths at various gain >levels Ah, at the moment you can't, the final stage output gain is in the audio engine, not in the emulation, so it applies to all synths. I can change this reasonably quickly though, next upload should be able to do this by synth since the feature looks like being useful. >Well, I would like to be able to control it via MIDI from an external >keyboard This does work, in as much as it was architected to support this and other people report that it works. I will be testing with a USB keyboard this weekend so may get you an update. >manipulate "standard" controllers (pitch and mod wheels, damper pedal, >[etc]) Here is the lowdown on MIDI in bristol. The GUI and the engine are separate processes. They speak SYSEX messages to adjust the parameters, and the keyboard sends NOTE events - all across a TCP socket primarily from GUI to engine (there are some acknowledgements). Separately the engine listens, per default, to the ALSA SEQ or raw MIDI interface for MIDI events. It only supports the following: NOTE ON/OFF, CONTINUOUS 0 and 1 for pitch and mod wheels, and the memory moog should respond to controllers 7 and 11 for two foot pedals - expression and volume. I was not sure whether to implement the sustain pedal. Most master keyboards will use this to control sending note off events for sustain, so bristol then does not have too. Now when it comes to controlling parameters, this is a GUI function. The GUI will have to register to receive MIDI events as well as the engine, change its potentiometer settings and then tell the engine to adjust its operational parameters. Also for program change events it is the GUI that has memories, not the engine. In my opinion this is the correct approach, but it introduces a couple of issues regarding controller manipulation. Either way controls will be implemented and I will maintain an option for tracking the keyboard in the GUI for the reasons you state. The engine will eventually conform a bit closer to the GM2 specification, which means it will allow you to control filter and envelopes, etc, with some default controller numbers as per that spec. No dates for this. The keyboard graphic has been reported as being 'klunky' to use, and that its model of click on/click off is arguably wrong. It was never intended to actually play the synth using this keyboard, it was put in for a couple of reasons - firstly it looked good, the GUI should be able to represent the original instrument. Secondly it allows me to at least test and control it without having to have my master keyboard attached (and seeing as that is also in storage, just as well). On related note, the ARP 2600 has a button next to the envelope controls that allow you to generate sounds without a keyboard - this is the same as the original unit and again allows testing a synth that does not in this case even have the keyboard graphic. >Maybe a blinking "LED" to acknowledge receipt of MIDI data, though? For future study. There are issues here regarding the fact that the engine and GUI are separate processes - the LED should reflect MIDI traffic in the engine, but that would require the engine inform the GUI that events have occured, itself an overhead and outside of the current communication model. >an MS20 The main issue I see here is that whilst bristol does take a copy of the input data and present it to all the synths (the Mini/Explorer have external inputs, the ARP also but not widely tested) to manipulate the sounds, the MS-20 had this groovy Hz->Volts converter, allowing it to be used as a vocorder. This is notoriously difficult to emulate digitally, but it is down on my list. It is likely to first appears in something called a 2610 or so, the ARP 2600 with additional voltage manipulators (inverters, lin/log, spare mixers) as per the original instrument, but also with this frequency to control signal extractor. >the mixer is intended to be usable to mix and process multiple instances of >Bristol? The honest truth is that I have really specified what the mixer will be for. It is intended to be a realtime mix for both audio and emulated streams, and the intention is to use multichannel hardware and also to register multiple IO with Jack to allow it to remix audio from different sources. The thing is, Ardour already does this and a lot more exceptionally well, so with Jack integrated into bristol kind of removes the requirement for a bristol mixer. Having said that I like mixers and I like the bristol mixer interface, so it will happen at some point. There are a lot of differences in the design of these two mixing apps - I kind of like the sometimes rather kluterred bristol mixer interface rather than a load of drop down menus and screens. Personal choice. >the Synthi 100 was a massive unit I was more thinking of the A series, the 100 graphics would not fit on any reasonable monitor! That is not to say I would not consider something like the Synthi 100, just not right yet. Put it this way, I wanted to have an ARP 2600 but knew that would be a lot of work, a big learning curve, so before starting on the 2600 I implemented the Axxe and Odyssey. The Axxe gave me the right operator set, the Odyssey added in the routing capabilities via switches, and finally the 2600 tied them all together with the patching interface. This was also done for the OBXa (did an OBX first) and for the Prophets (did a 5 before a 10). The same would happen with the EMS synths as well. >Moog Taurus? Am not convinved - you would need to do a sales pitch on me. The other synths can do the sounds, and I am not sure I want to work on the graphics for a pedalboard. Kind regards, Nick. _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ From dlphillips at woh.rr.com Thu Sep 21 07:21:26 2006 From: dlphillips at woh.rr.com (Dave Phillips) Date: Thu Sep 21 06:58:47 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] OpenMusic V Message-ID: <451275B6.8020101@woh.rr.com> Greetings: SF announcement seen on the AGNULA list: "OpenMusic V (for Linux) will soon be available here in cvs. We will have to completely rearrange the structure of all files found here. The 4.7 version is completely obsolete. since OpenMusic has been cleaned up and uses now SBCL lisp compiler and Clg-gtk+ bindings for the Linux version. You will soon have fresh news here. " http://sourceforge.net/forum/forum.php?forum_id=613354 I worked with the older version for Linux, it had promise but was unfinished compared to the great version for the Mac. Maybe this time we get it all ? Best, dp From ivalladolidt at terra.es Thu Sep 21 07:33:40 2006 From: ivalladolidt at terra.es (Ismael Valladolid Torres) Date: Thu Sep 21 07:36:00 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Command line tool for sending SysEx to a syhtn? Message-ID: <20060921113340.GA6756@gmail.com> I've seen SysExxer and it looks very nice. Unfortunately it's not packaged for Debian and as I'm a Gnome user I feel a bit boring installing KDE libs for compiling. Is there any straightforward command line tool for sending SysEx to my synth? If the answer is *no* then I'll go for SysExxer. Cordially, Ismael -- Ismael Valladolid Torres "Il est vain de pleurer sur l'esprit, il suffit de travailler pour lui." Albert Camus http://digitrazos.info/ http://lamediahostia.blogspot.com/ OpenPGP key ID: 0xDE721AF4 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Digital signature Url : http://music.columbia.edu/pipermail/linux-audio-user/attachments/20060921/2002f5f9/attachment.bin From ivalladolidt at terra.es Thu Sep 21 07:38:21 2006 From: ivalladolidt at terra.es (Ismael Valladolid Torres) Date: Thu Sep 21 07:40:54 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Do I need a preamp for the SoundBlaster Live? In-Reply-To: <4511B87D.8000601@yahoo.co.uk> References: <4511B87D.8000601@yahoo.co.uk> Message-ID: <20060921113821.GB6756@gmail.com> Tim Beauregard escribe: > My question is basic, do I need a preamp for the microphone or is the > LiveDrive doing that job? At the moment the volume which is high enough > to hear through the speakers is very close to feedback volume, and also > sounds distorted. It should be doing the job, however Creative's stuff is well known for having awful audio converters. An external preamp --ART, Presonus-- should give a better signal to be plugged into line in connector. Ideally, get a better soundcard, M-Audio stuff is not so expensive. Cordially, Ismael -- Ismael Valladolid Torres "Il est vain de pleurer sur l'esprit, il suffit de travailler pour lui." Albert Camus http://digitrazos.info/ http://lamediahostia.blogspot.com/ OpenPGP key ID: 0xDE721AF4 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Digital signature Url : http://music.columbia.edu/pipermail/linux-audio-user/attachments/20060921/a2800654/attachment.bin From mdeboer at iua.upf.edu Thu Sep 21 07:52:57 2006 From: mdeboer at iua.upf.edu (Maarten de Boer) Date: Thu Sep 21 07:59:34 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Command line tool for sending SysEx to a syhtn? In-Reply-To: <20060921113340.GA6756@gmail.com> References: <20060921113340.GA6756@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20060921135257.a9302c86.mdeboer@iua.upf.es> amidi On Thu, 21 Sep 2006 13:33:40 +0200 Ismael Valladolid Torres wrote: > I've seen SysExxer and it looks very nice. Unfortunately it's not > packaged for Debian and as I'm a Gnome user I feel a bit boring > installing KDE libs for compiling. > > Is there any straightforward command line tool for sending SysEx to my > synth? > > If the answer is *no* then I'll go for SysExxer. > > Cordially, Ismael > -- > Ismael Valladolid Torres "Il est vain de pleurer sur l'esprit, il suffit > de travailler pour lui." Albert Camus > http://digitrazos.info/ > http://lamediahostia.blogspot.com/ OpenPGP key ID: 0xDE721AF4 > From d_baron at 012.net.il Thu Sep 21 08:42:32 2006 From: d_baron at 012.net.il (David Baron) Date: Thu Sep 21 08:44:49 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: ANN: bristol 0.9.5-60 In-Reply-To: <20060920211444.306BB304FA8E@music.columbia.edu> References: <20060920211444.306BB304FA8E@music.columbia.edu> Message-ID: <200609211542.32874.d_baron@012.net.il> Yes, Nice piece of work. However, I have the following problems on my Debian Sid box: 1. This new version seems to always load two instances of the requested synth: One without and one with the watermark. 2. After closing one synth and invoking another, the sounds of the previous one are still active. Cannot always get the new one to change. 3. Jack did not work. 4. Some of the synths get no sound. I may be I do not know how to use them. B3, Rhodes, Mini work out of the box. MIDI works fine but one must specify the -mididev if this is not the first alsa/oss device. Mine being the second one, I have to give it /dev/midi1 in a OSS mode and hw129:0 in ALSA. I assume there is a way of (setting up for) using device names instead of this stuff. From ce at christeck.de Thu Sep 21 08:52:03 2006 From: ce at christeck.de (ce@christeck.de) Date: Thu Sep 21 08:53:41 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Command line tool for sending SysEx to a syhtn? In-Reply-To: <20060921113340.GA6756@gmail.com> References: <20060921113340.GA6756@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20060921145203.9jnowlxjaye8o8c8@ungesichert.de> Valladolid Torres wrote: > I've seen SysExxer and it looks very nice. Unfortunately it's not > packaged for Debian and as I'm a Gnome user I feel a bit boring > installing KDE libs for compiling. You can try Simple Sysexxer which "only" requires Qt4 (not Qt3) instead of KDE: http://christeck.de I'm not sure if Debian offers a Qt4 package and if you can install it besides Qt3. > Is there any straightforward command line tool for sending SysEx to my > synth? amidi is easy to use. Disadvantage: You need to disconnect the desired port from any other port in aconnect before you can read/write via amidi. > If the answer is *no* then I'll go for SysExxer. Sysexxer is unmaintained and its ALSA support wasn't finished (it still needs an OSS device to work properly). I'd like to recommend Simple Sysexxer for unknown reason :) . Cheers, ce From ivalladolidt at terra.es Thu Sep 21 09:16:36 2006 From: ivalladolidt at terra.es (Ismael Valladolid Torres) Date: Thu Sep 21 09:37:28 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Command line tool for sending SysEx to a syhtn? In-Reply-To: <20060921135257.a9302c86.mdeboer@iua.upf.es> References: <20060921113340.GA6756@gmail.com> <20060921135257.a9302c86.mdeboer@iua.upf.es> Message-ID: <20060921131636.GA8035@gmail.com> Maarten de Boer escribe: > > amidi Does it! ;) $ amidi -p hw:2,0,0 -s pub/SidStation_Presets_r1.syx Cordially, Ismael -- Ismael Valladolid Torres "Il est vain de pleurer sur l'esprit, il suffit de travailler pour lui." Albert Camus http://digitrazos.info/ http://lamediahostia.blogspot.com/ OpenPGP key ID: 0xDE721AF4 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I'd like to recommend > Simple Sysexxer for unknown reason :) . A pity about SysExxer, if mantained probably I would encourage myself to package it. It's pretty sad packaging something not supported upstream. Cordially, Ismael -- Ismael Valladolid Torres "Il est vain de pleurer sur l'esprit, il suffit de travailler pour lui." Albert Camus http://digitrazos.info/ http://lamediahostia.blogspot.com/ OpenPGP key ID: 0xDE721AF4 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Digital signature Url : http://music.columbia.edu/pipermail/linux-audio-user/attachments/20060921/12dd1841/attachment.bin From m_schnurpfeil at rosenberger.de Thu Sep 21 09:39:36 2006 From: m_schnurpfeil at rosenberger.de (Michael Schnurpfeil) Date: Thu Sep 21 10:02:01 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Command line tool for sending SysEx to a syhtn? In-Reply-To: <20060921113340.GA6756@gmail.com> References: <20060921113340.GA6756@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200609211539.36519.m_schnurpfeil@rosenberger.de> Am Donnerstag, 21. September 2006 13:33 schrieb Ismael Valladolid Torres: > I've seen SysExxer and it looks very nice. Unfortunately it's not > packaged for Debian and as I'm a Gnome user I feel a bit boring > installing KDE libs for compiling. > > Is there any straightforward command line tool for sending SysEx to my > synth? > > If the answer is *no* then I'll go for SysExxer. > > Cordially, Ismael you can use amidi from the alsa-utils. type 'amidi -l' to find out where your synth is connected. you may see something like this: Device Name hw:0,0 M Audio Delta 1010 MIDI hw:2,0,0 your_synth with 'amidi -p hw:2 -s preset1.syx' you can send sysex to your synth. Mike From dlphillips at woh.rr.com Thu Sep 21 10:43:04 2006 From: dlphillips at woh.rr.com (Dave Phillips) Date: Thu Sep 21 10:43:49 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Command line tool for sending SysEx to a syhtn? In-Reply-To: <20060921131905.GB8035@gmail.com> References: <20060921113340.GA6756@gmail.com> <20060921145203.9jnowlxjaye8o8c8@ungesichert.de> <20060921131905.GB8035@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4512A4F8.5060905@woh.rr.com> Ismael Valladolid Torres wrote: >ce@christeck.de escribe: > > >>I'm not sure if Debian offers a Qt4 package and if you can install it >>besides Qt3. >> >> > >There's a libqt4-dev package and yes, it seems like it conflicts >qt3-dev-tools at least... > I have both Qt3 and Qt4 development packages installed on Demudi's Debian Etch. Be advised, you should set QTDIR to /usr/share/qtN when compiling, and you may need to set the LD_LIBRARY_PATH variable if your build reports relocation errors. Best, dp From d_baron at 012.net.il Thu Sep 21 10:49:18 2006 From: d_baron at 012.net.il (David Baron) Date: Thu Sep 21 11:42:46 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re:Re: ANN: bristol 0.9.5-60 In-Reply-To: <20060921133729.8C4E2308D1B5@music.columbia.edu> References: <20060921133729.8C4E2308D1B5@music.columbia.edu> Message-ID: <200609211749.18772.d_baron@012.net.il> On Thursday 21 September 2006 16:37, linux-audio-user-request@music.columbia.edu wrote: > >but every time I tried to play a note [with jack] Bristol silently exited. > > The engine has probably exit due to not being able to open the audio > interface, or has core dumped. If you have coredumpsize enabled we would > debug that case. The only reasons I know of for failing to open jack is > permissions if you do not have the PAM modules enabled then bristol may not > have the desired rights to connect? I am running mine with a realtime-lsm enabled kernel. Any member of the "audio" group should be able to use jack. Jack starts fine. Bristol cannot interface it. Do I need suid? If so, where and how do I set it (engine?) From hardbop200 at gmail.com Thu Sep 21 12:03:41 2006 From: hardbop200 at gmail.com (Josh Lawrence) Date: Thu Sep 21 12:24:33 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Command line tool for sending SysEx to a syhtn? In-Reply-To: <200609211539.36519.m_schnurpfeil@rosenberger.de> References: <20060921113340.GA6756@gmail.com> <200609211539.36519.m_schnurpfeil@rosenberger.de> Message-ID: On 9/21/06, Michael Schnurpfeil wrote: > you can use amidi from the alsa-utils. > type 'amidi -l' to find out where your synth is connected. you may see > something like this: > > Device Name > hw:0,0 M Audio Delta 1010 MIDI > hw:2,0,0 your_synth > > with 'amidi -p hw:2 -s preset1.syx' you can send sysex to your synth. > > Mike I used this tool to upgrade my Roland XV-3080's OS in the past. The update was a mass of sysex files. amidi worked perfectly, without any fuss. On Debian, I can't remember if the alsa-tools or alsa-utils package has amidi in it, but it is one of those. Good luck. -- Josh Lawrence http://www.hardbop200.com From v2 at iki.fi Thu Sep 21 12:19:44 2006 From: v2 at iki.fi (Sampo Savolainen) Date: Thu Sep 21 12:40:23 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Intel HDA and Jack Message-ID: <1158855584.6991.12.camel@mustis> Hi, I have a brand new Dell D820 here which has worked very well, except for jackd. But: I just found a way to get jackd running! (Thanks Paul) Use the -S switch for jackd's alsa driver to force the sound card to use 16 bits instead of 32 bits. For example: jackd -R -P80 -dalsa -dhw:0 -r48000 -p256 -n2 -S The "fix" is way far from optimal because of all the lost percision, but as I'm going to use my multiface anyway (as soon as I get the interface card) for serious work, I don't care. Sampo From shahn at cs.tu-berlin.de Thu Sep 21 12:23:26 2006 From: shahn at cs.tu-berlin.de (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?S=F6nke_Hahn?=) Date: Thu Sep 21 12:42:48 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Song Message-ID: <4512BC7E.8050709@cs.tu-berlin.de> Hi! I created a song with jack, ardour, hydrogen and some softwaresynth i don't remember... here's the link: http://open-projects.net/~shahn/downloads/Wenn_ich_traeume.ogg or http://open-projects.net/~shahn/downloads/Wenn_ich_traeume.mp3 Any comments are welcome, especially concerning the mastering...i am not really sure how to do that. Soenke From v2 at iki.fi Thu Sep 21 12:44:41 2006 From: v2 at iki.fi (Sampo Savolainen) Date: Thu Sep 21 13:02:29 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Intel HDA and Jack In-Reply-To: <1158855584.6991.12.camel@mustis> References: <1158855584.6991.12.camel@mustis> Message-ID: <1158857081.6991.20.camel@mustis> On Thu, 2006-09-21 at 19:19 +0300, Sampo Savolainen wrote: > Hi, > > I have a brand new Dell D820 here which has worked very well, except for > jackd. But: I just found a way to get jackd running! (Thanks Paul) Stop the presses! My previous analysis proved to be absolutely wrong. This has nothing to do with jackd parameters. The problem comes from ... mixer settings! The intel-hda driver does not provide any samples for jackd if the "Capture" element (on the capture side of alsamixer) is not enabled for capturing. This is easily proved by starting jackd when capturing is enabled, then look at jackd's output / xrun count rocket when you disengage capturing. When you re-engage capturing jackd normalizes again (providing that jackd's watchdog didn't have time to kill jackd). Sampo From linux-stuff at arcor.de Thu Sep 21 12:47:00 2006 From: linux-stuff at arcor.de (=?ISO-8859-15?Q?Frieder_B=FCrzele?=) Date: Thu Sep 21 13:05:29 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] ANN: bristol 0.9.5-60 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4512C204.50006@arcor.de> I get this cc -g -fPIC -D_BRISTOL_JACK -I../include -I. -I/usr/local/include -I/usr/include/jack bristoljack.o bristolmixer.o bristolprophet52.o bristolobx.o bristolpoly.o bristolvox.o vox.o sdco.o sdcoutils.o bristolsampler.o vibrachorus.o thesermon.o bristolexplorer.o filter2.o lfo.o bristoldx.o hpf.o junodco.o bristoljuno.o dimensionD.o expdco.o bristolsystem.o bristolhammond.o bristolprophet.o prophetdco.o filter.o noise.o hammond.o audioEngine.o resonator.o dxop.o midihandlers.o bristolmm.o midinote.o envelope.o dca.o rotary.o bristolmain.o dco.o midithread.o audiothread.o soundManager.o -o bristol -L/usr/lib -L/usr/local/lib -L../../slab/libslabaudio -L../libbristol -L../libbristolmidi -L../libbristol -L/usr/lib/jack -Xlinker -Bdynamic -lc -lm -lpthread -lasound -lbristol -lbristolmidi -lslabaudio -ljack audiothread.o:(.data.rel+0x4c): undefined reference to `arpdcoinit' audiothread.o:(.data.rel+0x50): undefined reference to `ringmodinit' audiothread.o:(.data.rel+0x54): undefined reference to `eswitchinit' audiothread.o:(.data.rel+0x58): undefined reference to `reverbinit' audiothread.o:(.data.rel+0x5c): undefined reference to `followerinit' audiothread.o:(.data.rel+0xcc): undefined reference to `bristolPoly6Init' audiothread.o:(.data.rel+0xd0): undefined reference to `bristolAxxeInit' audiothread.o:(.data.rel+0xd4): undefined reference to `bristolOdysseyInit' audiothread.o:(.data.rel+0xd8): undefined reference to `bristolMemoryMoogInit' audiothread.o:(.data.rel+0xdc): undefined reference to `bristolArp2600Init' collect2: ld returned 1 exit status make[1]: *** [bristol] Error 1 make[1]: Leaving directory `/var/tmp/portage/bristol-0.9.5.60/work/bristol-0.9.5/src/bristol/bristol' make: *** [all] Error 2 Greetz Frieder From mista.tapas at gmx.net Thu Sep 21 13:29:14 2006 From: mista.tapas at gmx.net (Florian Schmidt) Date: Thu Sep 21 13:45:52 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Song In-Reply-To: <4512BC7E.8050709@cs.tu-berlin.de> References: <4512BC7E.8050709@cs.tu-berlin.de> Message-ID: <200609211929.14084.mista.tapas@gmx.net> On Thursday 21 September 2006 18:23, S?nke Hahn wrote: > Hi! > > I created a song with jack, ardour, hydrogen and some softwaresynth i > don't remember... here's the link: > > http://open-projects.net/~shahn/downloads/Wenn_ich_traeume.ogg > or > http://open-projects.net/~shahn/downloads/Wenn_ich_traeume.mp3 > > Any comments are welcome, especially concerning the mastering...i am not > really sure how to do that. lovely :) Flo -- Palimm Palimm! http://tapas.affenbande.org From linux-stuff at arcor.de Thu Sep 21 13:34:54 2006 From: linux-stuff at arcor.de (=?ISO-8859-15?Q?Frieder_B=FCrzele?=) Date: Thu Sep 21 13:50:44 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] ANN: bristol 0.9.5-60 In-Reply-To: <4512C204.50006@arcor.de> References: <4512C204.50006@arcor.de> Message-ID: <4512CD3E.5010700@arcor.de> Frieder B?rzele wrote: > I get this > > > cc -g -fPIC -D_BRISTOL_JACK -I../include -I. -I/usr/local/include > -I/usr/include/jack bristoljack.o bristolmixer.o bristolprophet52.o > bristolobx.o bristolpoly.o bristolvox.o vox.o sdco.o sdcoutils.o > bristolsampler.o vibrachorus.o thesermon.o bristolexplorer.o filter2.o > lfo.o bristoldx.o hpf.o junodco.o bristoljuno.o dimensionD.o expdco.o > bristolsystem.o bristolhammond.o bristolprophet.o prophetdco.o > filter.o noise.o hammond.o audioEngine.o resonator.o dxop.o > midihandlers.o bristolmm.o midinote.o envelope.o dca.o rotary.o > bristolmain.o dco.o midithread.o audiothread.o soundManager.o -o > bristol -L/usr/lib -L/usr/local/lib -L../../slab/libslabaudio > -L../libbristol -L../libbristolmidi -L../libbristol -L/usr/lib/jack > -Xlinker -Bdynamic -lc -lm -lpthread -lasound -lbristol -lbristolmidi > -lslabaudio -ljack > audiothread.o:(.data.rel+0x4c): undefined reference to `arpdcoinit' > audiothread.o:(.data.rel+0x50): undefined reference to `ringmodinit' > audiothread.o:(.data.rel+0x54): undefined reference to `eswitchinit' > audiothread.o:(.data.rel+0x58): undefined reference to `reverbinit' > audiothread.o:(.data.rel+0x5c): undefined reference to `followerinit' > audiothread.o:(.data.rel+0xcc): undefined reference to `bristolPoly6Init' > audiothread.o:(.data.rel+0xd0): undefined reference to `bristolAxxeInit' > audiothread.o:(.data.rel+0xd4): undefined reference to > `bristolOdysseyInit' > audiothread.o:(.data.rel+0xd8): undefined reference to > `bristolMemoryMoogInit' > audiothread.o:(.data.rel+0xdc): undefined reference to > `bristolArp2600Init' > collect2: ld returned 1 exit status > make[1]: *** [bristol] Error 1 > make[1]: Leaving directory > `/var/tmp/portage/bristol-0.9.5.60/work/bristol-0.9.5/src/bristol/bristol' > > make: *** [all] Error 2 > > > Greetz > Frieder sorry for the noise it was my fault From folderol at ukfsn.org Thu Sep 21 13:53:25 2006 From: folderol at ukfsn.org (Folderol) Date: Thu Sep 21 14:00:05 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Do I need a preamp for the SoundBlaster Live? In-Reply-To: <1158824255.2804.17.camel@rivendell.home.local> References: <4511B87D.8000601@yahoo.co.uk> <1158804872.2713.30.camel@rivendell.home.local> <45122B81.908@yahoo.co.uk> <1158821109.9674.7.camel@xornot-ubuntu> <1158824255.2804.17.camel@rivendell.home.local> Message-ID: <20060921185325.27fa6c26@localhost> On Thu, 21 Sep 2006 00:37:35 -0700 Florin Andrei wrote: Well I'd go against most of the advice on here for one simple reason. Noise pickup. The ideal situation is to have a mic with built in pre-amp, otherwise have one as close to the mic as is physically possible. The stronger the signal going to the card, and the the higher the signal level required by that card the better. Balanced would be best of course but is outside the price range of lots of people. -- Will J G From eun.sung at no-log.org Thu Sep 21 13:47:01 2006 From: eun.sung at no-log.org (eun.sung) Date: Thu Sep 21 15:51:29 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] build tapiir In-Reply-To: <4512BC7E.8050709@cs.tu-berlin.de> References: <4512BC7E.8050709@cs.tu-berlin.de> Message-ID: <4512D015.10002@no-log.org> hi i try to build tapiir when ii make : if g++ -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I. -I. -g -O2 -MT FileIO.o -MD -MP -MF ".deps/FileIO.Tpo" \ -c -o FileIO.o `test -f 'FileIO.cxx' || echo './'`FileIO.cxx; \ then mv ".deps/FileIO.Tpo" ".deps/FileIO.Po"; \ else rm -f ".deps/FileIO.Tpo"; exit 1; \ fi MTD.hxx:196: erreur: explicit specialization of ?float MTD::FromGain(const int&) const? must be introduced by ?template <>? MTD.hxx:196: erreur: template-id ?FromGain<>? for ?float MTD::FromGain(const int&) const? does not match any template declaration MTD.hxx:196: erreur: d?claration de fonction invalide MTD.hxx:197: erreur: explicit specialization of ?float MTD::FromGain(const int&) const? must be introduced by ?template <>? MTD.hxx:197: erreur: template-id ?FromGain<>? for ?float MTD::FromGain(const int&) const? does not match any template declaration MTD.hxx:197: erreur: d?claration de fonction invalide MTD.hxx:199: erreur: explicit specialization of ?int MTD::ToGain(const float&) const? must be introduced by ?template <>? MTD.hxx:199: erreur: template-id ?ToGain<>? for ?int MTD::ToGain(const float&) const? does not match any template declaration MTD.hxx:199: erreur: d?claration de fonction invalide MTD.hxx:200: erreur: explicit specialization of ?int MTD::ToGain(const float&) const? must be introduced by ?template <>? MTD.hxx:200: erreur: template-id ?ToGain<>? for ?int MTD::ToGain(const float&) const? does not match any template declaration MTD.hxx:200: erreur: d?claration de fonction invalide MTD.hxx:202: erreur: explicit specialization of ?void MTD::Clip(float&) const? must be introduced by ?template <>? MTD.hxx:202: erreur: template-id ?Clip<>? for ?void MTD::Clip(float&) const? does not match any template declaration MTD.hxx:202: erreur: d?claration de fonction invalide MTD.hxx:204: erreur: explicit specialization of ?void MTD::Clip(int&) const? must be introduced by ?template <>? MTD.hxx:204: erreur: template-id ?Clip<>? for ?void MTD::Clip(int&) const? does not match any template declaration MTD.hxx:204: erreur: d?claration de fonction invalide MTD.hxx:206: erreur: explicit specialization of ?void MTD::Clip(float&) const? must be introduced by ?template <>? MTD.hxx:206: erreur: template-id ?Clip<>? for ?void MTD::Clip(float&) const? does not match any template declaration MTD.hxx:206: erreur: d?claration de fonction invalide MTD.hxx:210: erreur: explicit specialization of ?void MTD::MulAdj(int&) const? must be introduced by ?template <>? MTD.hxx:210: erreur: template-id ?MulAdj<>? for ?void MTD::MulAdj(int&) const? does not match any template declaration MTD.hxx:210: erreur: d?claration de fonction invalide MTD.hxx:211: erreur: explicit specialization of ?void MTD::MulAdj(int&) const? must be introduced by ?template <>? MTD.hxx:211: erreur: template-id ?MulAdj<>? for ?void MTD::MulAdj(int&) const? does not match any template declaration MTD.hxx:211: erreur: d?claration de fonction invalide make[2]: *** [FileIO.o] Erreur 1 make[2]: quittant le r?pertoire ? /home/mihozu/Appz/tapiir-0.7.1/src ? make[1]: *** [all] Erreur 2 make[1]: quittant le r?pertoire ? /home/mihozu/Appz/tapiir-0.7.1/src ? make: *** [all-recursive] Erreur 1 i have not enough knowledge to get that "must be introduced by template<>" could someone please explain me what does it mean? thnaks From dominic.sacre at gmx.de Thu Sep 21 16:24:22 2006 From: dominic.sacre at gmx.de (Dominic =?iso-8859-1?q?Sacr=E9?=) Date: Thu Sep 21 16:28:14 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Realtime kernel does not boot In-Reply-To: <200609201752.55621.dominic.sacre@gmx.de> References: <200609201752.55621.dominic.sacre@gmx.de> Message-ID: <200609212224.22687.dominic.sacre@gmx.de> On Wednesday, 20. September 2006 17:52, I wrote: > PCI: Found IRQ 10 for device 0000:00:08.0 > PCI: Sharing IRQ 10 with 0000:00:0b.0 > PCI: Sharing IRQ 10 with 0000:01:00.0 > PCI: Found IRQ 5 for device 0000:00:08.1 > NET: Registered protocol family 2 > > Then it just stops. I've tried many different kernel versions > (2.6.17-rt8, 2.6.17-rt5, even as far back as 2.6.13-rt14), to no avail. > I also tried turning ACPI and APIC on/off, which didn't help either. > Now I'm at a loss... The same kernels boot just fine on a more recent > machine. I've finally found a kernel that works on both machines: 2.6.18-rt3! It's far from stable, but at least it boots, unlike all the previous versions I've tried. Now I can only hope that the remaining issues will be resolved in future versions of 2.6.18-rt... From rlrevell at joe-job.com Thu Sep 21 16:33:51 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Thu Sep 21 16:32:33 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Realtime kernel does not boot In-Reply-To: <200609212224.22687.dominic.sacre@gmx.de> References: <200609201752.55621.dominic.sacre@gmx.de> <200609212224.22687.dominic.sacre@gmx.de> Message-ID: <1158870832.31344.49.camel@mindpipe> On Thu, 2006-09-21 at 22:24 +0200, Dominic Sacr? wrote: > On Wednesday, 20. September 2006 17:52, I wrote: > > PCI: Found IRQ 10 for device 0000:00:08.0 > > PCI: Sharing IRQ 10 with 0000:00:0b.0 > > PCI: Sharing IRQ 10 with 0000:01:00.0 > > PCI: Found IRQ 5 for device 0000:00:08.1 > > NET: Registered protocol family 2 > > > > Then it just stops. I've tried many different kernel versions > > (2.6.17-rt8, 2.6.17-rt5, even as far back as 2.6.13-rt14), to no avail. > > I also tried turning ACPI and APIC on/off, which didn't help either. > > Now I'm at a loss... The same kernels boot just fine on a more recent > > machine. > > I've finally found a kernel that works on both machines: 2.6.18-rt3! It's > far from stable, but at least it boots, unlike all the previous versions > I've tried. Now I can only hope that the remaining issues will be resolved > in future versions of 2.6.18-rt... > What's wrong with it? People keep making these vague statements that the -rt kernel is unstable, but I haven't seen any details. Lee From dominic.sacre at gmx.de Thu Sep 21 17:07:58 2006 From: dominic.sacre at gmx.de (Dominic =?iso-8859-1?q?Sacr=E9?=) Date: Thu Sep 21 17:13:38 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Realtime kernel does not boot In-Reply-To: <1158870832.31344.49.camel@mindpipe> References: <200609201752.55621.dominic.sacre@gmx.de> <200609212224.22687.dominic.sacre@gmx.de> <1158870832.31344.49.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <200609212307.58670.dominic.sacre@gmx.de> On Thursday, 21. September 2006 22:33, Lee Revell wrote: > What's wrong with it? People keep making these vague statements that > the -rt kernel is unstable, but I haven't seen any details. I'm not saying -rt is unstable per se, I've been running realtime kernels on my main desktop machine for more than a year, with little problems. However, 2.6.18-rt3 is not working very well so far. For one thing, the e100 network driver seems to be broken (it compiles and loads, but it's not functional). Also, dmesg is full of call traces. I'm sure things will improve in future versions, and in the meantime I'll try to gather some more info/call traces and report it. Dominic From linux-stuff at arcor.de Thu Sep 21 17:52:21 2006 From: linux-stuff at arcor.de (linux-stuff@arcor.de) Date: Thu Sep 21 17:52:33 2006 Subject: Aw: [linux-audio-user] build tapiir In-Reply-To: <4512D015.10002@no-log.org> References: <4512D015.10002@no-log.org> <4512BC7E.8050709@cs.tu-berlin.de> Message-ID: <8922483.1158875541046.JavaMail.ngmail@webmail19> ----- Original Nachricht ---- Von: "eun.sung" An: A list for linux audio users Datum: 21.09.2006 19:47 Betreff: [linux-audio-user] build tapiir > hi > i try to build tapiir > when ii make : > > if g++ -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I. -I. -g -O2 -MT FileIO.o -MD -MP -MF > ".deps/FileIO.Tpo" \ > -c -o FileIO.o `test -f 'FileIO.cxx' || echo './'`FileIO.cxx; \ > then mv ".deps/FileIO.Tpo" ".deps/FileIO.Po"; \ > else rm -f ".deps/FileIO.Tpo"; exit 1; \ > fi > MTD.hxx:196: erreur: explicit specialization of ?float MTD int>::FromGain(const int&) const? must be introduced by ?template <>? > MTD.hxx:196: erreur: template-id ?FromGain<>? for ?float MTD int>::FromGain(const int&) const? does not match any template declaration > MTD.hxx:196: erreur: d?claration de fonction invalide > MTD.hxx:197: erreur: explicit specialization of ?float MTD float>::FromGain(const int&) const? must be introduced by ?template <>? > MTD.hxx:197: erreur: template-id ?FromGain<>? for ?float MTD float>::FromGain(const int&) const? does not match any template declaration > MTD.hxx:197: erreur: d?claration de fonction invalide > MTD.hxx:199: erreur: explicit specialization of ?int MTD int>::ToGain(const float&) const? must be introduced by ?template <>? > MTD.hxx:199: erreur: template-id ?ToGain<>? for ?int MTD int>::ToGain(const float&) const? does not match any template declaration > MTD.hxx:199: erreur: d?claration de fonction invalide > MTD.hxx:200: erreur: explicit specialization of ?int MTD float>::ToGain(const float&) const? must be introduced by ?template <>? > MTD.hxx:200: erreur: template-id ?ToGain<>? for ?int MTD float>::ToGain(const float&) const? does not match any template declaration > MTD.hxx:200: erreur: d?claration de fonction invalide > MTD.hxx:202: erreur: explicit specialization of ?void MTD int>::Clip(float&) const? must be introduced by ?template <>? > MTD.hxx:202: erreur: template-id ?Clip<>? for ?void MTD int>::Clip(float&) const? does not match any template declaration > MTD.hxx:202: erreur: d?claration de fonction invalide > MTD.hxx:204: erreur: explicit specialization of ?void MTD int>::Clip(int&) const? must be introduced by ?template <>? > MTD.hxx:204: erreur: template-id ?Clip<>? for ?void MTD int>::Clip(int&) const? does not match any template declaration > MTD.hxx:204: erreur: d?claration de fonction invalide > MTD.hxx:206: erreur: explicit specialization of ?void MTD float>::Clip(float&) const? must be introduced by ?template <>? > MTD.hxx:206: erreur: template-id ?Clip<>? for ?void MTD float>::Clip(float&) const? does not match any template declaration > MTD.hxx:206: erreur: d?claration de fonction invalide > MTD.hxx:210: erreur: explicit specialization of ?void MTD float>::MulAdj(int&) const? must be introduced by ?template <>? > MTD.hxx:210: erreur: template-id ?MulAdj<>? for ?void MTD float>::MulAdj(int&) const? does not match any template declaration > MTD.hxx:210: erreur: d?claration de fonction invalide > MTD.hxx:211: erreur: explicit specialization of ?void MTD int>::MulAdj(int&) const? must be introduced by ?template <>? > MTD.hxx:211: erreur: template-id ?MulAdj<>? for ?void MTD int>::MulAdj(int&) const? does not match any template declaration > MTD.hxx:211: erreur: d?claration de fonction invalide > make[2]: *** [FileIO.o] Erreur 1 > make[2]: quittant le r?pertoire ? /home/mihozu/Appz/tapiir-0.7.1/src ? > make[1]: *** [all] Erreur 2 > make[1]: quittant le r?pertoire ? /home/mihozu/Appz/tapiir-0.7.1/src ? > make: *** [all-recursive] Erreur 1 > > > i have not enough knowledge to get that "must be introduced by template<>" > > could someone please explain me what does it mean? > > thnaks > I'm using patches from planetccrma which solves this tapiir-0.7.1-alsa.patch tapiir-0.7.1-mtd.patch tapiir-0.7.1-multiline.patch tapiir-buffersizecallback.patch tapiir-gcc4.patch which you can also find here: http://svnweb.tuxfamily.org/listing.php?repname=proaudio+%28ckpp%29&path=%2Fmedia-sound%2Ftapiir%2Ffiles%2F&rev=0&sc=0 Viel oder wenig? Schnell oder langsam? Unbegrenzt surfen + telefonieren ohne Zeit- und Volumenbegrenzung? DAS TOP ANGEBOT JETZT bei Arcor: g?nstig und schnell mit DSL - das All-Inclusive-Paket f?r clevere Doppel-Sparer, nur 44,85 ? inkl. DSL- und ISDN-Grundgeb?hr! http://www.arcor.de/rd/emf-dsl-2 From mail at jensgulden.de Thu Sep 21 17:54:38 2006 From: mail at jensgulden.de (Jens Gulden) Date: Thu Sep 21 17:55:21 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Song In-Reply-To: <4512BC7E.8050709@cs.tu-berlin.de> References: <4512BC7E.8050709@cs.tu-berlin.de> Message-ID: <45130A1E.8030304@jensgulden.de> S?nke Hahn wrote: > http://open-projects.net/~shahn/downloads/Wenn_ich_traeume.ogg My god, LAU meets Musikantenstadl! My speakers just melted away when the background-choir started... Jens > Hi! > > I created a song with jack, ardour, hydrogen and some softwaresynth i > don't remember... here's the link: > > http://open-projects.net/~shahn/downloads/Wenn_ich_traeume.ogg > or > http://open-projects.net/~shahn/downloads/Wenn_ich_traeume.mp3 > > Any comments are welcome, especially concerning the mastering...i am not > really sure how to do that. > > Soenke From pw_lists at slinkp.com Thu Sep 21 14:24:01 2006 From: pw_lists at slinkp.com (Paul Winkler) Date: Thu Sep 21 17:59:56 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Intel HDA and Jack In-Reply-To: <1158855584.6991.12.camel@mustis> References: <1158855584.6991.12.camel@mustis> Message-ID: <20060921182401.GA7294@slinkp.com> On Thu, Sep 21, 2006 at 07:19:44PM +0300, Sampo Savolainen wrote: > Hi, > > I have a brand new Dell D820 here which has worked very well, except for > jackd. But: I just found a way to get jackd running! (Thanks Paul) > > Use the -S switch for jackd's alsa driver to force the sound card to use > 16 bits instead of 32 bits. > > For example: > jackd -R -P80 -dalsa -dhw:0 -r48000 -p256 -n2 -S > > The "fix" is way far from optimal because of all the lost percision, but > as I'm going to use my multiface anyway (as soon as I get the interface > card) for serious work, I don't care. I believe that option only affects the precision of input and output to the card. If your card is 16-bit anyway, you haven't lost anything; it's just that for whatever reason, jackd was unable to automatically select 16 bit (which is what happens when I (rarely) run against my SB 128)). -- Paul Winkler http://www.slinkp.com From rlrevell at joe-job.com Thu Sep 21 18:05:18 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Thu Sep 21 18:04:01 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Realtime kernel does not boot In-Reply-To: <200609212307.58670.dominic.sacre@gmx.de> References: <200609201752.55621.dominic.sacre@gmx.de> <200609212224.22687.dominic.sacre@gmx.de> <1158870832.31344.49.camel@mindpipe> <200609212307.58670.dominic.sacre@gmx.de> Message-ID: <1158876318.1097.9.camel@mindpipe> On Thu, 2006-09-21 at 23:07 +0200, Dominic Sacr? wrote: > On Thursday, 21. September 2006 22:33, Lee Revell wrote: > > What's wrong with it? People keep making these vague statements that > > the -rt kernel is unstable, but I haven't seen any details. > > I'm not saying -rt is unstable per se, I've been running realtime kernels > on my main desktop machine for more than a year, with little problems. > > However, 2.6.18-rt3 is not working very well so far. For one thing, the > e100 network driver seems to be broken (it compiles and loads, but it's > not functional). > Also, dmesg is full of call traces. > I'm sure things will improve in future versions, and in the meantime I'll > try to gather some more info/call traces and report it. They won't improve in future versions if you don't report the bugs. Please don't assume that every bug you hit is already known. Lee From eviltwin69 at cableone.net Thu Sep 21 18:24:17 2006 From: eviltwin69 at cableone.net (Jan Depner) Date: Thu Sep 21 18:39:50 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Do I need a preamp for the SoundBlaster Live? In-Reply-To: <1158804872.2713.30.camel@rivendell.home.local> References: <4511B87D.8000601@yahoo.co.uk> <1158804872.2713.30.camel@rivendell.home.local> Message-ID: <1158877457.18330.5.camel@eviltwin> On Wed, 2006-09-20 at 19:14 -0700, Florin Andrei wrote: > To the original poster: > The fact that you're using a SM58 and a SB Live indicates that you're on > the cost-effective side of things. If the signal level is strong enough, > then you don't need a preamp, nor do you need to change your sound card. > > On Thu, 2006-09-21 at 00:07 +0200, Carlo Capocasa wrote: > > > > However, since you are willing to invest in a pre-amp, you might want to > > consider getting a sound card that is geared at pro recording, that > > INCLUDES a pre-amp. This is the path I have chosen, full analog signal > > chain integration (tm). > > Full analog signal bullsh**. > "Pro recording" and cards with integrated mic preamps do not mix. That's > bang-for-the-buck amateur recording, not "pro". > When you use the term "integrated" I'm not sure what you are referring to. I have a number of mid-range tube and solid state mic preamps and tube compressors. I find that the mic preamps in my external ADC/DAC 2000 that came with my DSP 2000 C-Port are as good and, in some cases, better than the externals. It depends on what you are looking for. I don't consider preamps on external units connected to the soundcard to be "integrated". I'm certainly not going to spring for anything in the Avalon price range to record my SM58 ;-) -- Jan 'Evil Twin' Depner The Fuzzy Dice http://myweb.cableone.net/eviltwin69/fuzzy.html "As we enjoy great advantages from the invention of others, we should be glad of an opportunity to serve others by any invention of ours, and this we should do freely and generously." Benjamin Franklin, on declining patents offered by the governor of Pennsylvania for his "Pennsylvania Fireplace", c. 1744 From lanas at securenet.net Thu Sep 21 18:47:13 2006 From: lanas at securenet.net (lanas) Date: Thu Sep 21 18:47:17 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Song In-Reply-To: <200609211929.14084.mista.tapas@gmx.net> References: <4512BC7E.8050709@cs.tu-berlin.de> <200609211929.14084.mista.tapas@gmx.net> Message-ID: <20060921184713.6dda6dd1@mistral.stie> On Thu, 21 Sep 2006 19:29:14 +0200 Florian Schmidt a ?crit: > On Thursday 21 September 2006 18:23, S?nke Hahn wrote: > > http://open-projects.net/~shahn/downloads/Wenn_ich_traeume.ogg > > Any comments are welcome, especially concerning the mastering...i > > am not really sure how to do that. > lovely :) Maybe I did not pay enough attention to the lyrics, but I prefer Fernsterputzen.mp3 in the same directory. Sound is not excellent, but the music is quite good. Another one with an interesting title, FiqueDich.mp3, is also kind of interesting, sometimes. 'Wenn ich tra?me' makes me think of this funny guy who used to sing about how good small carrots are on German TV music channels a couple of years ago (don't remember his name now). Tsch?ss, Al From markknecht at gmail.com Thu Sep 21 20:01:30 2006 From: markknecht at gmail.com (Mark Knecht) Date: Thu Sep 21 20:01:38 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Realtime kernel does not boot In-Reply-To: <1158870832.31344.49.camel@mindpipe> References: <200609201752.55621.dominic.sacre@gmx.de> <200609212224.22687.dominic.sacre@gmx.de> <1158870832.31344.49.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <5bdc1c8b0609211701w7c19b4a1icf29883ad4d08afd@mail.gmail.com> On 9/21/06, Lee Revell wrote: > > What's wrong with it? People keep making these vague statements that > the -rt kernel is unstable, but I haven't seen any details. > > Lee > > While I don't think this is the venue to report this stuff since you asked, and since you are a person who helps fix things: ) I had these messages in dmesg (already sent to LKML) EXT3-fs: mounted filesystem with ordered data mode. Adding 2008084k swap on /dev/sda10. Priority:-1 extents:1 across:2008084k eth0: no IPv6 routers present BUG: time warp detected! prev > now, 1014d39b1fe7c3e8 > 1014d39b063d8631: = 430587319 delta, on CPU#0 Call Trace: [] dump_stack+0x12/0x17 [] getnstimeofday+0x131/0x13c [] ktime_get_ts+0x1a/0x4e [] copy_process+0x449/0x159c [] do_fork+0xd0/0x1d4 [] ptregscall_common+0x67/0xac DWARF2 unwinder stuck at ptregscall_common+0x67/0xac Leftover inexact backtrace: --------------------------- | preempt count: 00000000 ] | 0-level deep critical section nesting: ---------------------------------------- 2) (Not sent to LKML) Using 2.6.18-rt3 the machine hard crashes when exiting from Gnome back to the gdm login screen. The machine is down hard and would not even respond to ssh login attempts. I was using the ati-driver-8.28.8 driver which is most likely the culprit. I was not motivated enough though to muck around with my xorg.config files to try the kernel's radeon driver. I hope to look at that this weekend. If the radeon driver crashes I will send that info on to the LKML. (And I suppose here since you want to see it!) ;-) I am currently back to running 2.6.17-rt5. Cheers, Mark From eun.sung at no-log.org Thu Sep 21 18:14:07 2006 From: eun.sung at no-log.org (eun.sung) Date: Thu Sep 21 20:14:14 2006 Subject: Aw: [linux-audio-user] build tapiir In-Reply-To: <8922483.1158875541046.JavaMail.ngmail@webmail19> References: <4512D015.10002@no-log.org> <4512BC7E.8050709@cs.tu-berlin.de> <8922483.1158875541046.JavaMail.ngmail@webmail19> Message-ID: <45130EAF.8020202@no-log.org> > I'm using patches from planetccrma which solves this > tapiir-0.7.1-alsa.patch > tapiir-0.7.1-mtd.patch > tapiir-0.7.1-multiline.patch > tapiir-buffersizecallback.patch > tapiir-gcc4.patch > which you can also find here: > http://svnweb.tuxfamily.org/listing.php?repname=proaudio+%28ckpp%29&path=%2Fmedia-sound%2Ftapiir%2Ffiles%2F&rev=0&sc=0 > ok thanks no more errors about MTD but now it complains with fltk though i have fltk and fltk-dev 1.1 installed if g++ -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I. -I. -g -O2 -MT GUI.o -MD -MP -MF ".deps/GUI Tpo" \ -c -o GUI.o `test -f 'GUI.cxx' || echo './'`GUI.cxx; \ then mv ".deps/GUI.Tpo" ".deps/GUI.Po"; \ else rm -f ".deps/GUI.Tpo"; exit 1; \ fi GUI.cxx:18:23: erreur: FL/fl_ask.h : Aucun fichier ou r?pertoire de ce type GUI.cxx:19:32: erreur: FL/fl_file_chooser.h : Aucun fichier ou r?pertoire de ce type GUI.cxx: In member function ?void GUI::Load(char*)?: GUI.cxx:242: erreur: ?fl_alert? was not declared in this scope GUI.cxx: In member function ?void GUI::Load()?: GUI.cxx:273: erreur: ?fl_file_chooser? was not declared in this scope GUI.cxx: In member function ?void GUI::Save()?: GUI.cxx:280: erreur: ?fl_file_chooser? was not declared in this scope make[2]: *** [GUI.o] Erreur 1 make[2]: quittant le r?pertoire ? /home/mihozu/Appz/tapiir-0.7.1/src ? make[1]: *** [all] Erreur 2 make[1]: quittant le r?pertoire ? /home/mihozu/Appz/tapiir-0.7.1/src ? make: *** [all-recursive] Erreur 1 ?? thanks From rlrevell at joe-job.com Thu Sep 21 23:41:52 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Thu Sep 21 23:43:23 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Realtime kernel does not boot In-Reply-To: <5bdc1c8b0609211701w7c19b4a1icf29883ad4d08afd@mail.gmail.com> References: <200609201752.55621.dominic.sacre@gmx.de> <200609212224.22687.dominic.sacre@gmx.de> <1158870832.31344.49.camel@mindpipe> <5bdc1c8b0609211701w7c19b4a1icf29883ad4d08afd@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1158896513.1097.21.camel@mindpipe> On Thu, 2006-09-21 at 17:01 -0700, Mark Knecht wrote: > I was using the > ati-driver-8.28.8 driver which is most likely the culprit. The LKML guys won't help you if you're using binary drivers; make sure you were using the open source driver if you post bug reports. Lee From markknecht at gmail.com Fri Sep 22 00:45:42 2006 From: markknecht at gmail.com (Mark Knecht) Date: Fri Sep 22 00:45:49 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Realtime kernel does not boot In-Reply-To: <1158896513.1097.21.camel@mindpipe> References: <200609201752.55621.dominic.sacre@gmx.de> <200609212224.22687.dominic.sacre@gmx.de> <1158870832.31344.49.camel@mindpipe> <5bdc1c8b0609211701w7c19b4a1icf29883ad4d08afd@mail.gmail.com> <1158896513.1097.21.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <5bdc1c8b0609212145r67f78cfcv3cd83982bd75540c@mail.gmail.com> On 9/21/06, Lee Revell wrote: > On Thu, 2006-09-21 at 17:01 -0700, Mark Knecht wrote: > > I was using the > > ati-driver-8.28.8 driver which is most likely the culprit. > > The LKML guys won't help you if you're using binary drivers; make sure > you were using the open source driver if you post bug reports. > > Lee Lee, Candidly it's not the least bit important to me at all if they want to help or not. If I run into a problem, and it's clearly a kernel problem, then I report it. I understand that there have been many issues with the ati-drivers in the past. that's always the way it is with the ATI stuff. I hate it, but I cannot change it. I don't and won't be running this kernel any time soon. Ingo put it out there and *he* asked people to test it. He doesn't get to pick how we test it and in fact he doesn't place any restrictions on how we test it. If he doesn't want to work on a bug that's reported then that's completely his business. Not a problem for me. He picks what he works on. I pick what I report. I'm not gonna run 2.6.18-rtX for months I'm sure. None the less, you asked for a report here so hopefully I've given you what you wanted. Cheers, Mark From shahn at cs.tu-berlin.de Fri Sep 22 02:11:44 2006 From: shahn at cs.tu-berlin.de (=?UTF-8?B?U8O2bmtlIEhhaG4=?=) Date: Fri Sep 22 02:12:19 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Song In-Reply-To: <20060921184713.6dda6dd1@mistral.stie> References: <4512BC7E.8050709@cs.tu-berlin.de> <200609211929.14084.mista.tapas@gmx.net> <20060921184713.6dda6dd1@mistral.stie> Message-ID: <45137EA0.5080103@cs.tu-berlin.de> > > 'Wenn ich tra?me' makes me think of this funny guy who used to sing > about how good small carrots are on German TV music channels a couple > of years ago (don't remember his name now). Maybe you're thinking of Helge Schneider, who had a song about carrots... > > Tsch?ss, > Al > From pshirkey at boosthardware.com Fri Sep 22 02:36:28 2006 From: pshirkey at boosthardware.com (Patrick Shirkey) Date: Fri Sep 22 02:45:21 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Song In-Reply-To: <45137EA0.5080103@cs.tu-berlin.de> References: <4512BC7E.8050709@cs.tu-berlin.de> <200609211929.14084.mista.tapas@gmx.net> <20060921184713.6dda6dd1@mistral.stie> <45137EA0.5080103@cs.tu-berlin.de> Message-ID: <4513846C.3020202@boosthardware.com> S?nke Hahn wrote: >> >> 'Wenn ich tra?me' makes me think of this funny guy who used to sing >> about how good small carrots are on German TV music channels a couple >> of years ago (don't remember his name now). > Maybe you're thinking of Helge Schneider, who had a song about carrots... > Classic, In Korea they have this music called Pongjak made with casio keyboards. The ambience of this track reminds me of that... -- Patrick Shirkey - Boost Hardware Ltd. Http://www.boosthardware.com Http://lau.linuxaudio.org - The Linux Audio Users guide ======================================== "Anything your mind can see you can manifest physically, then it will become reality" - Macka B From pshirkey at boosthardware.com Fri Sep 22 02:43:30 2006 From: pshirkey at boosthardware.com (Patrick Shirkey) Date: Fri Sep 22 02:49:30 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Solved: flash movie buffering problems Message-ID: <45138612.1050809@boosthardware.com> Hi, Yesterday while I was researching how to get flash movies to load very quickly I came across some detailed explanations of the buffer problem that so many people get when watching flash movies. Apparently it is widely known that streaming from a server where the movie has to be fully cached in local memory while downloading causes buffering problems in movies over 2 minutes long. The official Macromedia solution is to use their closed source streaming server which allows much greater flexibility and control of the stream while also preventing the file from being cached in local memory so it is harder to rip or copy. This leaves me with the question: Is the buffering problem for movies > 2 min a design flaw or feature? Cheers. -- Patrick Shirkey - Boost Hardware Ltd. Http://www.boosthardware.com Http://lau.linuxaudio.org - The Linux Audio Users guide ======================================== "Anything your mind can see you can manifest physically, then it will become reality" - Macka B From arnold.krille at gmail.com Fri Sep 22 03:48:05 2006 From: arnold.krille at gmail.com (Arnold Krille) Date: Fri Sep 22 03:57:08 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Song In-Reply-To: <4513846C.3020202@boosthardware.com> References: <4512BC7E.8050709@cs.tu-berlin.de> <200609211929.14084.mista.tapas@gmx.net> <20060921184713.6dda6dd1@mistral.stie> <45137EA0.5080103@cs.tu-berlin.de> <4513846C.3020202@boosthardware.com> Message-ID: <2def88b80609220048m2bddeac8j33d92f2e74a48fcc@mail.gmail.com> 2006/9/22, Patrick Shirkey : > Classic, In Korea they have this music called Pongjak made with casio > keyboards. The ambience of this track reminds me of that... Is that a good or a bad sign if your music gets compared to music made with (cheap) casio-keyboards? Haven't listened to the track yet... Arnold -- visit http://dillenburg.dyndns.org/~arnold/ --- Wenn man mit Raubkopien Bands wie Brosis oder Britney Spears wirklich verhindern k?nnte, w?rde ich mir noch heute einen Stapel Brenner und einen Sack Rohlinge kaufen. From mista.tapas at gmx.net Fri Sep 22 05:48:20 2006 From: mista.tapas at gmx.net (Florian Schmidt) Date: Fri Sep 22 05:53:06 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Realtime kernel does not boot In-Reply-To: <5bdc1c8b0609212145r67f78cfcv3cd83982bd75540c@mail.gmail.com> References: <200609201752.55621.dominic.sacre@gmx.de> <1158896513.1097.21.camel@mindpipe> <5bdc1c8b0609212145r67f78cfcv3cd83982bd75540c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200609221148.20665.mista.tapas@gmx.net> On Friday 22 September 2006 06:45, Mark Knecht wrote: > Candidly it's not the least bit important to me at all if they want > to help or not. If I run into a problem, and it's clearly a kernel > problem, then I report it. I understand that there have been many > issues with the ati-drivers in the past. that's always the way it is > with the ATI stuff. I hate it, but I cannot change it. > > I don't and won't be running this kernel any time soon. Ingo put it > out there and *he* asked people to test it. He doesn't get to pick how > we test it and in fact he doesn't place any restrictions on how we > test it. If he doesn't want to work on a bug that's reported then > that's completely his business. Not a problem for me. He picks what he > works on. I pick what I report. > > I'm not gonna run 2.6.18-rtX for months I'm sure. > > None the less, you asked for a report here so hopefully I've given > you what you wanted. Well, if you use a closed source driver, there's no way for Ingo to fix it. Period. That's why noone will look at it. The place to report kernel troubles to, when using closed source drivers, is the provider of these kernel drivers. In this case ATI. Regards, Flo -- Palimm Palimm! http://tapas.affenbande.org From linux-stuff at arcor.de Fri Sep 22 06:19:20 2006 From: linux-stuff at arcor.de (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Frieder_B=FCrzele?=) Date: Fri Sep 22 06:19:28 2006 Subject: Aw: [linux-audio-user] build tapiir In-Reply-To: <45130EAF.8020202@no-log.org> References: <4512D015.10002@no-log.org> <4512BC7E.8050709@cs.tu-berlin.de> <8922483.1158875541046.JavaMail.ngmail@webmail19> <45130EAF.8020202@no-log.org> Message-ID: <4513B8A8.1050301@arcor.de> eun.sung wrote: > >> I'm using patches from planetccrma which solves this >> tapiir-0.7.1-alsa.patch >> tapiir-0.7.1-mtd.patch >> tapiir-0.7.1-multiline.patch >> tapiir-buffersizecallback.patch >> tapiir-gcc4.patch >> which you can also find here: >> http://svnweb.tuxfamily.org/listing.php?repname=proaudio+%28ckpp%29&path=%2Fmedia-sound%2Ftapiir%2Ffiles%2F&rev=0&sc=0 >> >> > > ok thanks > no more errors about MTD > but now it complains with fltk though i have fltk and fltk-dev 1.1 > installed > > > if g++ -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I. -I. -g -O2 -MT GUI.o -MD -MP -MF > ".deps/GUI > Tpo" \ > -c -o GUI.o `test -f 'GUI.cxx' || echo './'`GUI.cxx; \ > then mv ".deps/GUI.Tpo" ".deps/GUI.Po"; \ > else rm -f ".deps/GUI.Tpo"; exit 1; \ > fi > GUI.cxx:18:23: erreur: FL/fl_ask.h : Aucun fichier ou r?pertoire de ce > type > GUI.cxx:19:32: erreur: FL/fl_file_chooser.h : Aucun fichier ou > r?pertoire de ce > type > GUI.cxx: In member function ?void GUI::Load(char*)?: > GUI.cxx:242: erreur: ?fl_alert? was not declared in this scope > GUI.cxx: In member function ?void GUI::Load()?: > GUI.cxx:273: erreur: ?fl_file_chooser? was not declared in this scope > GUI.cxx: In member function ?void GUI::Save()?: > GUI.cxx:280: erreur: ?fl_file_chooser? was not declared in this scope > make[2]: *** [GUI.o] Erreur 1 > make[2]: quittant le r?pertoire ? /home/mihozu/Appz/tapiir-0.7.1/src ? > make[1]: *** [all] Erreur 2 > make[1]: quittant le r?pertoire ? /home/mihozu/Appz/tapiir-0.7.1/src ? > make: *** [all-recursive] Erreur 1 > > > > ?? > > thanks have you applied all patches? Please do LC_ALL=C make so we can see the output in english Greetz Frieder From atti at schlaecht.at Fri Sep 22 07:00:21 2006 From: atti at schlaecht.at (aTTi) Date: Fri Sep 22 07:00:34 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] spectrum analyzer - waterfall diagram Message-ID: <4513C245.1060002@schlaecht.at> hi there! I'm searching for a spectrum analyzer software, that provides a waterfall diagram. A 3D waterfall diagram with loudness-frequency-time axes would be great. i'ld be happy if somebody can give me a tip. atti From doj at cubic.org Fri Sep 22 07:09:44 2006 From: doj at cubic.org (Dirk Jagdmann) Date: Fri Sep 22 07:09:58 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Song In-Reply-To: <45130A1E.8030304@jensgulden.de> References: <4512BC7E.8050709@cs.tu-berlin.de> <45130A1E.8030304@jensgulden.de> Message-ID: <4513C478.8050505@cubic.org> Jens Gulden wrote: > S?nke Hahn wrote: >> http://open-projects.net/~shahn/downloads/Wenn_ich_traeume.ogg > > My god, LAU meets Musikantenstadl! My speakers just melted away when the > background-choir started... True, but this demonstrates that the Linux Audio Community broadens its spectrum and members not necessarily make electronic or rock music (which most computer geeks personally seem to prefer). But I must admit, that I really liked the other acoustic guitar songs found on S?nke's download page and I can recommend them to everybody who did not listened to them yet. -- ---> Dirk Jagdmann ^ doj / cubic ----> http://cubic.org/~doj -----> http://llg.cubic.org From dlphillips at woh.rr.com Fri Sep 22 08:16:59 2006 From: dlphillips at woh.rr.com (Dave Phillips) Date: Fri Sep 22 08:01:50 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Song In-Reply-To: <4513C478.8050505@cubic.org> References: <4512BC7E.8050709@cs.tu-berlin.de> <45130A1E.8030304@jensgulden.de> <4513C478.8050505@cubic.org> Message-ID: <4513D43B.8010200@woh.rr.com> Dirk Jagdmann wrote: > Jens Gulden wrote: > >> S?nke Hahn wrote: >> >>> http://open-projects.net/~shahn/downloads/Wenn_ich_traeume.ogg >> >> >> My god, LAU meets Musikantenstadl! My speakers just melted away when >> the background-choir started... > > > True, but this demonstrates that the Linux Audio Community broadens > its spectrum and members not necessarily make electronic or rock music > (which most computer geeks personally seem to prefer). I was listening to music on the LAM list this morning. As far as I can tell we're in no danger of homogenization. :) Best, dp From markknecht at gmail.com Fri Sep 22 09:43:28 2006 From: markknecht at gmail.com (Mark Knecht) Date: Fri Sep 22 09:44:32 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Realtime kernel does not boot In-Reply-To: <200609221148.20665.mista.tapas@gmx.net> References: <200609201752.55621.dominic.sacre@gmx.de> <1158896513.1097.21.camel@mindpipe> <5bdc1c8b0609212145r67f78cfcv3cd83982bd75540c@mail.gmail.com> <200609221148.20665.mista.tapas@gmx.net> Message-ID: <5bdc1c8b0609220643g6e162843g13fc011504e1a916@mail.gmail.com> On 9/22/06, Florian Schmidt wrote: > Well, if you use a closed source driver, there's no way for Ingo to fix it. > Period. That's why noone will look at it. The place to report kernel troubles > to, when using closed source drivers, is the provider of these kernel > drivers. In this case ATI. > > Regards, > Flo Flo, Please read the thread. This conversation is just silly and a waste of time. Just because an ATI driver is on the machine doesn't mean you don't report a problem with the with the kernel to Ingo. What about when I boot the machine, the kernel has a problem at boot time and I'm not even in X? What about when the ATI driver isn't being loaded and the machine is in text mode? What about when I *do* have the ATI driver loaded and the problem is clearly kernel related? This conversation is just silly and a waste of time. As I stated earlier, I do not report problems to Ingo that are ATI driver related. I did not report this specific problem (machine crashed when exiting X) to him since it was possibly ATI related. I reported other problems. Please read the thread. - Mark From rlrevell at joe-job.com Fri Sep 22 10:01:20 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Fri Sep 22 10:08:54 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Realtime kernel does not boot In-Reply-To: <5bdc1c8b0609220643g6e162843g13fc011504e1a916@mail.gmail.com> References: <200609201752.55621.dominic.sacre@gmx.de> <1158896513.1097.21.camel@mindpipe> <5bdc1c8b0609212145r67f78cfcv3cd83982bd75540c@mail.gmail.com> <200609221148.20665.mista.tapas@gmx.net> <5bdc1c8b0609220643g6e162843g13fc011504e1a916@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1158933681.1097.45.camel@mindpipe> On Fri, 2006-09-22 at 06:43 -0700, Mark Knecht wrote: > This conversation is just silly and a waste of time. Just because > an ATI driver is on the machine doesn't mean you don't report a > problem with the with the kernel to Ingo. Yes, it does, if it's a binary only driver. Drivers are part of the kernel and if a closed source driver has been loaded the kernel cannot be debugged. This isn't my opinion, it's consensus on LKML. Bug reports from tainted kernels will be ignored. Lee From rlrevell at joe-job.com Fri Sep 22 10:03:08 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Fri Sep 22 10:09:34 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Solved: flash movie buffering problems In-Reply-To: <45138612.1050809@boosthardware.com> References: <45138612.1050809@boosthardware.com> Message-ID: <1158933788.1097.47.camel@mindpipe> On Fri, 2006-09-22 at 13:43 +0700, Patrick Shirkey wrote: > The official Macromedia solution is to use their closed source > streaming server which allows much greater flexibility and control of > the stream while also preventing the file from being cached in local > memory so it is harder to rip or copy. > > This leaves me with the question: Is the buffering problem for movies > 2 min a design flaw or feature? I would call it "sheer idiocy" and yet another reason Flash is evil. Lee From mista.tapas at gmx.net Fri Sep 22 11:33:14 2006 From: mista.tapas at gmx.net (Florian Schmidt) Date: Fri Sep 22 11:38:37 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Realtime kernel does not boot In-Reply-To: <5bdc1c8b0609220643g6e162843g13fc011504e1a916@mail.gmail.com> References: <200609201752.55621.dominic.sacre@gmx.de> <200609221148.20665.mista.tapas@gmx.net> <5bdc1c8b0609220643g6e162843g13fc011504e1a916@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200609221733.14833.mista.tapas@gmx.net> On Friday 22 September 2006 15:43, Mark Knecht wrote: > On 9/22/06, Florian Schmidt wrote: > > > > Well, if you use a closed source driver, there's no way for Ingo to fix > > it. Period. That's why noone will look at it. The place to report kernel > > troubles to, when using closed source drivers, is the provider of these > > kernel drivers. In this case ATI. > > > > Regards, > > Flo > > This conversation is just silly and a waste of time. No, it's not. There's an important point to be made. > Just because > an ATI driver is on the machine doesn't mean you don't report a > problem with the with the kernel to Ingo. It exactly does mean that, because he will ignore the bug report for good reasons. > What about when I boot the > machine, the kernel has a problem at boot time and I'm not even in X? > What about when the ATI driver isn't being loaded and the machine is > in text mode? What about when I *do* have the ATI driver loaded and > the problem is clearly kernel related? This conversation is just silly > and a waste of time. Well, if the ATI driver isn't loaded and the kernel shows a bug, then report it. > As I stated earlier, I do not report problems to Ingo that are ATI > driver related. I did not report this specific problem (machine > crashed when exiting X) to him since it was possibly ATI related. I > reported other problems. Please read the thread. The problem with closed source drivers is: There's no process seperation between different parts of the kernel. Any part of the kernel can write memory anywhere else in the kernel. If i wanted to, i could write a kernel module that simply overwrites the whole kernel in RAM with 0's. If you have a closed source kernel module it could be a bad one. It could do something really bad and there could be bugs showing up that _look_ like they are caused by some other part of the kernel, but really they are produced by the closed source driver. As there's no way to find out, as the driver is closed source, it is a simple manner of efficiency to simply rule this out, by simply not caring about bug reports with closed source drivers loaded. So, if you think the kernel has a problem, run your setup without the closed source driver. If the problem can be reproduced -> Great, you found a bug that can be fixed. If it cannot be reproduced -> too bad, it seems your closed source driver might be faulty -> report to the closed source driver author. I hope this clears the issue up a bit.. Regards, Flo P.S.: using closed source drivers with -rt kernels is asking for trouble anyways, as the -rt model relies on rewriting parts of the kernel (by altering macros, inline functions, etc.). The closed source binary driver cannot be altered in the same way. Thus it is highly probable, that bad things might happen if running a closed source driver. -- Palimm Palimm! http://tapas.affenbande.org From jdboyd at jdboyd.net Fri Sep 22 11:27:44 2006 From: jdboyd at jdboyd.net (Joshua Boyd) Date: Fri Sep 22 11:43:26 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Realtime kernel does not boot In-Reply-To: <1158870832.31344.49.camel@mindpipe> References: <200609201752.55621.dominic.sacre@gmx.de> <200609212224.22687.dominic.sacre@gmx.de> <1158870832.31344.49.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <20060922152744.GB11127@jdboyd> On Thu, Sep 21, 2006 at 04:33:51PM -0400, Lee Revell wrote: > What's wrong with it? People keep making these vague statements that > the -rt kernel is unstable, but I haven't seen any details. When I tried 2.6.17-rt2 on a machine with a heavy load (uptime would report from 2.7 to over 3.0, top would show one process consistantly using about 70% of the CPU power) the machine would lock up without printing out a single warning, trace, or giving any evidence about what it was that locked up. There was nothing printed to the serial console that I could go on. So, any complaints I could make about it would be vague. I could describe the system load, but it would probably be atypical for most linux audio people. Further, I had also patched the kernel with a non-official bigphysarea patch. -- Joshua D. Boyd jdboyd@jdboyd.net http://www.jdboyd.net/ http://www.joshuaboyd.org/ From rlrevell at joe-job.com Fri Sep 22 11:53:20 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Fri Sep 22 11:52:14 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Realtime kernel does not boot In-Reply-To: <20060922152744.GB11127@jdboyd> References: <200609201752.55621.dominic.sacre@gmx.de> <200609212224.22687.dominic.sacre@gmx.de> <1158870832.31344.49.camel@mindpipe> <20060922152744.GB11127@jdboyd> Message-ID: <1158940400.1097.58.camel@mindpipe> On Fri, 2006-09-22 at 11:27 -0400, Joshua Boyd wrote: > Further, I had also patched the > kernel with a non-official bigphysarea patch. > What happens if you don't do that? Lee From markknecht at gmail.com Fri Sep 22 12:29:16 2006 From: markknecht at gmail.com (Mark Knecht) Date: Fri Sep 22 12:29:42 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Realtime kernel does not boot In-Reply-To: <200609221733.14833.mista.tapas@gmx.net> References: <200609201752.55621.dominic.sacre@gmx.de> <200609221148.20665.mista.tapas@gmx.net> <5bdc1c8b0609220643g6e162843g13fc011504e1a916@mail.gmail.com> <200609221733.14833.mista.tapas@gmx.net> Message-ID: <5bdc1c8b0609220929o3b0d8bf7o4fc28dbe15728ced@mail.gmail.com> On 9/22/06, Florian Schmidt wrote: > > So, if you think the kernel has a problem, run your setup without the closed > source driver. If the problem can be reproduced -> Great, you found a bug > that can be fixed. If it cannot be reproduced -> too bad, it seems your > closed source driver might be faulty -> report to the closed source driver > author. > > I hope this clears the issue up a bit.. > > Regards, > Flo > OK. To make you guys happy I rebuilt 2.6.18-rt3 with radeon and DRI support turned on. The kernel did not boot. It hung immediately saying it couldn't find the hard drive. That's the only change I made. Interesting.... NOTE: I'm no programmer. I understand your description above, but I also understand the description of others who say since the interface portion that goes between the kernel and the binary portion compiles OK then it's OK to use the ATI Driver. Clearly there are differing opinions out there and no reason for stupid simpleton me to know who's right and who's wrong. Please excuse my technical ignorance. Note however that there is *no* debate that there are Open Source zealots all over these lists who revel in telling people they are simply *wrong* for using closed source drivers no matter what the reason. Again, there is no way for me to know where anyone comes down on that subject unless they make their person views known. NOTE 2: Back on 2.6.17-rt5 (since it does boot) I see **significantly** less CPU usage with the Open Source Radeon driver than with the ATI driver. (9% vs. 90%) After rebuilding my AMD64 machine with gcc-4.1.1 the CPU usage in MythTV went through the roof. I had wondered if it had anything to do with the ATI driver and was thinking about trying the radeon driver this weekend. It's done now and nice to have it lower again with the radeon driver. I also see lower frame rate from the close source driver but I can live with that. - Mark From rlrevell at joe-job.com Fri Sep 22 12:49:00 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Fri Sep 22 12:47:40 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Realtime kernel does not boot In-Reply-To: <5bdc1c8b0609220929o3b0d8bf7o4fc28dbe15728ced@mail.gmail.com> References: <200609201752.55621.dominic.sacre@gmx.de> <200609221148.20665.mista.tapas@gmx.net> <5bdc1c8b0609220643g6e162843g13fc011504e1a916@mail.gmail.com> <200609221733.14833.mista.tapas@gmx.net> <5bdc1c8b0609220929o3b0d8bf7o4fc28dbe15728ced@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1158943741.1097.72.camel@mindpipe> On Fri, 2006-09-22 at 09:29 -0700, Mark Knecht wrote: > Note > however that there is *no* debate that there are Open Source zealots > all over these lists who revel in telling people they are simply > *wrong* for using closed source drivers no matter what the reason. > Again, there is no way for me to know where anyone comes down on that > subject unless they make their person views known. Understood. I for one am coming from a 100% technical POV and dislike zealotry and people who make free software a political/religious issue. The point is not whether the ATI driver is likely to work, or whether you should be using it - it's only that for the specific purpose of kernel debugging, closed source drivers cannot be present for purely technical reasons. Lee From rlrevell at joe-job.com Fri Sep 22 12:51:43 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Fri Sep 22 12:50:25 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Realtime kernel does not boot In-Reply-To: <5bdc1c8b0609220929o3b0d8bf7o4fc28dbe15728ced@mail.gmail.com> References: <200609201752.55621.dominic.sacre@gmx.de> <200609221148.20665.mista.tapas@gmx.net> <5bdc1c8b0609220643g6e162843g13fc011504e1a916@mail.gmail.com> <200609221733.14833.mista.tapas@gmx.net> <5bdc1c8b0609220929o3b0d8bf7o4fc28dbe15728ced@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1158943903.1097.74.camel@mindpipe> On Fri, 2006-09-22 at 09:29 -0700, Mark Knecht wrote: > OK. To make you guys happy I rebuilt 2.6.18-rt3 with radeon and DRI > support turned on. The kernel did not boot. It hung immediately saying > it couldn't find the hard drive. Is it an SMP kernel? If so, do you have better results with SMP disabled? Lee From markknecht at gmail.com Fri Sep 22 12:55:56 2006 From: markknecht at gmail.com (Mark Knecht) Date: Fri Sep 22 12:56:05 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Realtime kernel does not boot In-Reply-To: <1158943741.1097.72.camel@mindpipe> References: <200609201752.55621.dominic.sacre@gmx.de> <200609221148.20665.mista.tapas@gmx.net> <5bdc1c8b0609220643g6e162843g13fc011504e1a916@mail.gmail.com> <200609221733.14833.mista.tapas@gmx.net> <5bdc1c8b0609220929o3b0d8bf7o4fc28dbe15728ced@mail.gmail.com> <1158943741.1097.72.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <5bdc1c8b0609220955n190bba29n16559969acbd7b4f@mail.gmail.com> On 9/22/06, Lee Revell wrote: > On Fri, 2006-09-22 at 09:29 -0700, Mark Knecht wrote: > > Note > > however that there is *no* debate that there are Open Source zealots > > all over these lists who revel in telling people they are simply > > *wrong* for using closed source drivers no matter what the reason. > > Again, there is no way for me to know where anyone comes down on that > > subject unless they make their person views known. > > Understood. I for one am coming from a 100% technical POV and dislike > zealotry and people who make free software a political/religious issue. > > The point is not whether the ATI driver is likely to work, or whether > you should be using it - it's only that for the specific purpose of > kernel debugging, closed source drivers cannot be present for purely > technical reasons. > > Lee Understood. Thanks. If the radeon driver continues to work then I'd be happy to use it. Currently I have no errors but I do have warnings about DRM support for Radeon 9500 and higher. Probably not a big deal for me. Now, if I Can find some time I'll try to report 2.6.18-rt3 not booting. - Mark From markknecht at gmail.com Fri Sep 22 12:58:55 2006 From: markknecht at gmail.com (Mark Knecht) Date: Fri Sep 22 12:59:02 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Realtime kernel does not boot In-Reply-To: <1158943903.1097.74.camel@mindpipe> References: <200609201752.55621.dominic.sacre@gmx.de> <200609221148.20665.mista.tapas@gmx.net> <5bdc1c8b0609220643g6e162843g13fc011504e1a916@mail.gmail.com> <200609221733.14833.mista.tapas@gmx.net> <5bdc1c8b0609220929o3b0d8bf7o4fc28dbe15728ced@mail.gmail.com> <1158943903.1097.74.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <5bdc1c8b0609220958k78c95f6kfdb1bb4864902d10@mail.gmail.com> On 9/22/06, Lee Revell wrote: > On Fri, 2006-09-22 at 09:29 -0700, Mark Knecht wrote: > > OK. To make you guys happy I rebuilt 2.6.18-rt3 with radeon and DRI > > support turned on. The kernel did not boot. It hung immediately saying > > it couldn't find the hard drive. > > Is it an SMP kernel? If so, do you have better results with SMP > disabled? > > Lee It is not an SMP kernel and the ONLY change I made was to enable the radeon driver and DRI. Since DRI isn't working for my ATI chipset I will try turning that off and rebuilding again. The message was the one you get when the kernel cannot find the drives, generally because you forgot to build in ext3 support.. Something like drive not found - VFS not syncing. - Mark From _ at whats-your.name Fri Sep 22 13:07:49 2006 From: _ at whats-your.name (carmen) Date: Fri Sep 22 13:07:52 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] spectrum analyzer - waterfall diagram In-Reply-To: <4513C245.1060002@schlaecht.at> References: <4513C245.1060002@schlaecht.at> Message-ID: <20060922170749.GB12184@replic.net> On Fri Sep 22, 2006 at 01:00:21PM +0200, aTTi wrote: > hi there! > > I'm searching for a spectrum analyzer software, that provides a waterfall diagram. > A 3D waterfall diagram with loudness-frequency-time axes would be great. if its not in http://www.sonicvisualiser.org/ you could build it in Audicle or Pd+GEM i find it pretty, but harder to interpret and much more lossy in detail than a flat 2d projection of spectral data, but it is cool nonetheless. think i also saw something like it in snd? > > > i'ld be happy if somebody can give me a tip. > > atti > From steiner at block4.com Fri Sep 22 13:31:32 2006 From: steiner at block4.com (Malte Steiner) Date: Fri Sep 22 13:33:18 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] spectrum analyzer - waterfall diagram In-Reply-To: <20060922170749.GB12184@replic.net> References: <4513C245.1060002@schlaecht.at> <20060922170749.GB12184@replic.net> Message-ID: <45141DF4.8070406@block4.com> How about these software from princeton: http://soundlab.cs.princeton.edu/software/sndpeek/ http://soundlab.cs.princeton.edu/software/rt_lpc/ Cheers, Malte -- Malte Steiner media art + development -www.block4.com- next events: elektronengehirn exhibition, lecture + concert @ Piksel 2006, Bergen, Norway 12.-15. october more at blog 4, also available as rss feed: http://java.block4.com/blog4/ From iainduncan at telus.net Fri Sep 22 14:25:00 2006 From: iainduncan at telus.net (iainduncan@telus.net) Date: Fri Sep 22 14:25:12 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Distros these days? What a mess! Message-ID: <1158949500.45142a7c43871@webmail.telus.net> Gaaah! I haven't had to install a new linux in ages, and now am faced with doing so. Is it just me, or is the state of linux pro audio on the major distros a total mess right now? Fedora core 5 seems to require MUCH tweaking to get any audio working and has a lot of alsa weirdness preventing serious work, Ubuntu just plain doesn't work with numerous cards ( including mine! ) and gentoo took a giant step backwards by rushing a broken and not ready 2006.1 installer out the door negating all the advantages they used to have. Am I the only one who feels like getting pro audio working these days is *harder* than two years ago??? It seems to me that in the race to make a distro that has everything working out of the box, we now have a bunch of things that are really screwed up for those of us with unusual needs, and now they are much harder to untangle. =( Any recos for a distro that must: - be decent for development - allow easy integration of from source apps with the distro - be realtively straightforward for audio kernel recompiles Thanks Iain From folderol at ukfsn.org Fri Sep 22 14:33:04 2006 From: folderol at ukfsn.org (Folderol) Date: Fri Sep 22 14:32:54 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Distros these days? What a mess! In-Reply-To: <1158949500.45142a7c43871@webmail.telus.net> References: <1158949500.45142a7c43871@webmail.telus.net> Message-ID: <20060922193304.6441c8d7@localhost> On Fri, 22 Sep 2006 11:25:00 -0700 iainduncan@telus.net wrote: > Gaaah! I haven't had to install a new linux in ages, and now am faced with doing > so. Is it just me, or is the state of linux pro audio on the major distros a > total mess right now? Fedora core 5 seems to require MUCH tweaking to get any > audio working and has a lot of alsa weirdness preventing serious work, > Ubuntu just plain doesn't work with numerous cards ( including mine! ) and > gentoo took a giant step backwards by rushing a broken and not ready 2006.1 > installer out the door negating all the advantages they used to have. > > Am I the only one who feels like getting pro audio working these days is > *harder* than two years ago??? It seems to me that in the race to make a distro > that has everything working out of the box, we now have a bunch of things that > are really screwed up for those of us with unusual needs, and now they are much > harder to untangle. =( > > Any recos for a distro that must: > - be decent for development > - allow easy integration of from source apps with the distro > - be realtively straightforward for audio kernel recompiles > > Thanks > Iain So far, the best results I've had are from Debian based 64studio (32 bit version). Does all the audio stuff very well, and with not too much tweaking I seem to be able to get most office type stuff organised. Strangely enough, although in the UK I find the German 'testing' repositories seem more complete. -- Will J G From _ at whats-your.name Fri Sep 22 14:32:52 2006 From: _ at whats-your.name (carmen) Date: Fri Sep 22 14:33:06 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Distros these days? What a mess! In-Reply-To: <1158949500.45142a7c43871@webmail.telus.net> References: <1158949500.45142a7c43871@webmail.telus.net> Message-ID: <20060922183252.GD12184@replic.net> On Fri Sep 22, 2006 at 11:25:00AM -0700, iainduncan@telus.net wrote: > Gaaah! I haven't had to install a new linux in ages, and now am faced with doing > so. Is it just me, or is the state of linux pro audio on the major distros a > total mess right now? Fedora core 5 seems to require MUCH tweaking to get any > audio working and has a lot of alsa weirdness preventing serious work, > Ubuntu just plain doesn't work with numerous cards ( including mine! ) and > gentoo took a giant step backwards by rushing a broken and not ready 2006.1 > installer out the door negating all the advantages they used to have. > > Am I the only one who feels like getting pro audio working these days is > *harder* than two years ago??? i think its easier than ever. on windows it was alwasy a constant dance of deleting registry entries from old versions of plugins, dealing with the annoyance of clogging up USB ports with dongles or trackign down slightly ness annoying cracks just so you could use software you paid for without broken challenge/response schemes that required internet connections and said dongle ports.. have you tried the proaudio overlay? just about every audio app ever written for linux is an emerge away. it couldnt get much easier.. just emerge layman && layman -a pro-audio or similar to get it installed.. It seems to me that in the race to make a distro > that has everything working out of the box, we now have a bunch of things that > are really screwed up for those of us with unusual needs, and now they are much > harder to untangle. =( > > Any recos for a distro that must: > - be decent for development > - allow easy integration of from source apps with the distro > - be realtively straightforward for audio kernel recompiles > > Thanks > Iain > > > > From iainduncan at telus.net Fri Sep 22 14:40:52 2006 From: iainduncan at telus.net (iainduncan@telus.net) Date: Fri Sep 22 14:41:06 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Distros these days? What a mess! In-Reply-To: <20060922183252.GD12184@replic.net> References: <1158949500.45142a7c43871@webmail.telus.net> <20060922183252.GD12184@replic.net> Message-ID: <1158950452.45142e34896e0@webmail.telus.net> > i think its easier than ever. on windows it was alwasy a constant dance of > deleting registry entries from old versions of plugins, dealing with the > annoyance of clogging up USB ports with dongles or trackign down slightly > ness annoying cracks just so you could use software you paid for without > broken challenge/response schemes that required internet connections and said > dongle ports.. I wasn't comparing to windows, I was comparing to gentoo 2004 or 2005 or the old stable agnulas. > have you tried the proaudio overlay? just about every audio app ever written > for linux is an emerge away. it couldnt get much easier.. > > just emerge layman && layman -a pro-audio or similar to get it installed.. If you are referring to Gentoo, the 2006.1 installer won't even work with my setup. I could revert to an old one, but if the current state of gentoo is indicative of how it is being managed, than I don't think that bodes well for the future. Getting audio apps installed is no problem, it's getting all the drivers and base components playing fairly together that is bad. IE a fresh install of Ubuntu won't even aplay, with one of the most popular prosumer audio cards out there! That is terrible. So, any stories of distros that *are* working properly? I don't mind a tough intall if it will work in the end. Slackware? Arch? Something I'm missing? Someway to install the big ones with no audio in there at all so I can start from scratch? ( It seems like you can't rip alsa out of ubunut without killing the entire gnome desktop, which is totally idiotic. ) Iain From steve at hassard.net Fri Sep 22 14:43:26 2006 From: steve at hassard.net (Stephen Hassard) Date: Fri Sep 22 14:43:39 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Distros these days? What a mess! In-Reply-To: <1158949500.45142a7c43871@webmail.telus.net> References: <1158949500.45142a7c43871@webmail.telus.net> Message-ID: <45142ECE.4010606@hassard.net> iainduncan@telus.net wrote: > Gaaah! I haven't had to install a new linux in ages, and now am faced with doing > so. Is it just me, or is the state of linux pro audio on the major distros a > total mess right now? Fedora core 5 seems to require MUCH tweaking to get any I've been pretty disappointed at the state of the various linux distros recently, and ended up settling on Arch Linux after having gone through the most recent versions of Ubuntu/Kubuntu, Fedora, Debian, openSUSE, and MEPIS. http://www.archlinux.org/ It's a fairly lightweight distro, which behaves very *bsd like. If you use the i386 build (not the more recent x86-64 builds which don't have the same package support) a good amount of community packages already exist. The overall speed of the system is quite good and is definitely better than most that I've tried. I've found that pre-built binaries are missing for some of the key sound apps (like zynaddsubfx) but community supported 'pkg' makefiles exist and work well (available at the url below). http://aur.archlinux.org/ All you need to do to build an aur package is download the small tarball (with contains a makefile, and perhaps some patches), extract it, go into the created directory and do a 'makepkg'. Package quality seems quite high, and most packages are up to date. I've been using kde as my desktop environment of choice, and have found its quality to be much better than kubuntu. Have fun, Steve From rlrevell at joe-job.com Fri Sep 22 14:48:11 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Fri Sep 22 14:46:50 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Distros these days? What a mess! In-Reply-To: <1158950452.45142e34896e0@webmail.telus.net> References: <1158949500.45142a7c43871@webmail.telus.net> <20060922183252.GD12184@replic.net> <1158950452.45142e34896e0@webmail.telus.net> Message-ID: <1158950892.1097.101.camel@mindpipe> On Fri, 2006-09-22 at 11:40 -0700, iainduncan@telus.net wrote: > IE a fresh > install of Ubuntu won't even aplay, with one of the most popular > prosumer audio > cards out there! That is terrible. Which card? What were the symptoms? Lee From iainduncan at telus.net Fri Sep 22 14:44:21 2006 From: iainduncan at telus.net (iainduncan@telus.net) Date: Fri Sep 22 14:49:35 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Distros these days? What a mess! In-Reply-To: <45142ECE.4010606@hassard.net> References: <1158949500.45142a7c43871@webmail.telus.net> <45142ECE.4010606@hassard.net> Message-ID: <1158950661.45142f05ad355@webmail.telus.net> > I've been pretty disappointed at the state of the various linux distros > recently, and ended up settling on Arch Linux after having gone through > the most recent versions of Ubuntu/Kubuntu, Fedora, Debian, openSUSE, > and MEPIS. Ok, good to hear that I'm not just crazy. I mean, on Fedora, sound worked out of the box. If you don't mind the cursor not being able to keep up with the waveform that is. Worked in a totally unusable fashion for pro audio, and I've compiled a lot of stuff from source and couldn't figure out how to fix it. I probably could have done a Linux From Scratch several times now in the amount of time I've spent auditioning "Desktop" distros. > http://www.archlinux.org/ > > It's a fairly lightweight distro, which behaves very *bsd like. If you > use the i386 build (not the more recent x86-64 builds which don't have > the same package support) a good amount of community packages already > exist. The overall speed of the system is quite good and is definitely > better than most that I've tried. > > I've found that pre-built binaries are missing for some of the key sound > apps (like zynaddsubfx) but community supported 'pkg' makefiles exist > and work well (available at the url below). That sounds ok, as I can't think of any proaudio app I didn't end up reconfiguring and recompiling anyway ... Does it use a BSD style port system? I really liked gentoos emerge, but they've gone and screwed up the underlying foundation in order to have a gui installer. How does Arch compare with somthing like slackware? Thanks Iain From steiner at block4.com Fri Sep 22 14:50:38 2006 From: steiner at block4.com (Malte Steiner) Date: Fri Sep 22 14:50:55 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Distros these days? What a mess! In-Reply-To: <1158949500.45142a7c43871@webmail.telus.net> References: <1158949500.45142a7c43871@webmail.telus.net> Message-ID: <4514307E.90702@block4.com> just for information, recent Ubuntu update seems to break Alsa, I can't get jack running anymore, it always claims that the device is already busy. Fortunaly I can get back the last kernel+modules version which works. -- Malte Steiner media art + development -www.block4.com- next events: elektronengehirn exhibition, lecture + concert @ Piksel 2006, Bergen, Norway 12.-15. october more at blog 4, also available as rss feed: http://java.block4.com/blog4/ From markknecht at gmail.com Fri Sep 22 14:51:25 2006 From: markknecht at gmail.com (Mark Knecht) Date: Fri Sep 22 14:52:25 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Distros these days? What a mess! In-Reply-To: <1158949500.45142a7c43871@webmail.telus.net> References: <1158949500.45142a7c43871@webmail.telus.net> Message-ID: <5bdc1c8b0609221151j5cdd21a0jd8f4c98868062445@mail.gmail.com> On 9/22/06, iainduncan@telus.net wrote: > ...and > gentoo took a giant step backwards by rushing a broken and not ready 2006.1 > installer out the door negating all the advantages they used to have. > Yeah, it was pretty bad the one time I tried it. That said, using the installer is an option. Why not just do the install the old way, by hand? http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/gentoo-x86-quickinstall.xml I've done a new machine for my son 3-4 weeks ago. It's working great. He's happy. He has all the apps he wants. Portage works great. Wireless is working OK for him. Things are good. Note that Gentoo management, WRT portage and apps anyway, does seem less crisp than it used to some years ago. There has been a rash of apps going from testing to stable to masked to unavailable. A few of them, like eselect-compiler, have caused me and others problems. Strange problems... ;-) Anyway, I still like Gentoo. I haven't seen an xrun in months, even running at 64/2 all day long. (Even when running the ati-drivers package!) ;-) - Mark From iainduncan at telus.net Fri Sep 22 14:53:33 2006 From: iainduncan at telus.net (iainduncan@telus.net) Date: Fri Sep 22 14:53:57 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Distros these days? What a mess! In-Reply-To: <1158950892.1097.101.camel@mindpipe> References: <1158949500.45142a7c43871@webmail.telus.net> <20060922183252.GD12184@replic.net> <1158950452.45142e34896e0@webmail.telus.net> <1158950892.1097.101.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <1158951213.4514312d86f42@webmail.telus.net> Quoting Lee Revell : > On Fri, 2006-09-22 at 11:40 -0700, iainduncan@telus.net wrote: > > IE a fresh > > install of Ubuntu won't even aplay, with one of the most popular > > prosumer audio > > cards out there! That is terrible. > > Which card? What were the symptoms? Delta 66. Worked fine until I actually installed any audio utils, then after that even aplay wouldn't work. More troubling is the fact that it seemed near impossible to gut all the sound stuff and start recompiling alsa drivers as modules so that my card would be seen by the system as multi cards if I wan't it to be. Ubuntu has rolled alsa control into gnome so you can't remove alsa without removing gnome, unless you want to start rebuilding your entire desktop , which kinda negates the advantages of Ubunutu. I googled a bit and found a lot of others complaining about ice1712 bugs and how difficult it is to fix so to heck with that. I do hope they get on that Mubunut idea though, because in all other respects I loved it. But pro audio users NEED to be able configure audio drivers as they want, they really can't work with a tied in approach like that. Iain From steve at hassard.net Fri Sep 22 14:57:36 2006 From: steve at hassard.net (Stephen Hassard) Date: Fri Sep 22 14:57:50 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Distros these days? What a mess! In-Reply-To: <1158950661.45142f05ad355@webmail.telus.net> References: <1158949500.45142a7c43871@webmail.telus.net> <45142ECE.4010606@hassard.net> <1158950661.45142f05ad355@webmail.telus.net> Message-ID: <45143220.7000505@hassard.net> iainduncan@telus.net wrote: > Does it use a BSD style port system? I really liked gentoos emerge, but they've > gone and screwed up the underlying foundation in order to have a gui installer. Check out the AUR guidelines: http://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/New_AUR_user_guidelines That's about as close as it gets to the bsd ports tree. > How does Arch compare with somthing like slackware? It feels very similar. Installation is similar (test based installed from CD or ftp, about the same level of complication). Their are no distro specific GUI configuration tools (a good thing in my book). Startup is very minimalist (it doesn't start every daemon in the world on startup) so it starts fast and doesn't eat all of your RAM. I tend to like to install only the base system, configure 'pacman' (arch's version of apt) to use all of the bleeding edge repositories, then do something along the lines of the following: #update the base system pacman -Syu #add xorg and kde, don't forget to add your gfx driver (xf86-video-foo) pacman -S xorg kde #configure xorg xorgcfg Then you're more or less ready to go. I've found that it's a fairly painless install. later, Steve From lau at therockgarden.ca Fri Sep 22 15:07:03 2006 From: lau at therockgarden.ca (Sylvain Robitaille) Date: Fri Sep 22 15:04:48 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Distros these days? What a mess! In-Reply-To: <1158949500.45142a7c43871@webmail.telus.net> References: <1158949500.45142a7c43871@webmail.telus.net> Message-ID: On Fri, 22 Sep 2006, iainduncan@telus.net wrote: > Any recos for a distro that must: > - be decent for development > - allow easy integration of from source apps with the distro > - be realtively straightforward for audio kernel recompiles I've had very good success with Slackware <= 10.2, using Ardour primarily, but also with Audacity, and Rosegarden a little. My needs, however, are not particularly complex. -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Sylvain Robitaille syl@alcor.concordia.ca Major in Electroacoustic Studies Concordia University Faculty of Fine Arts / Music Department Montreal, Quebec, Canada ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From rlrevell at joe-job.com Fri Sep 22 15:51:41 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Fri Sep 22 15:50:22 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Distros these days? What a mess! In-Reply-To: <1158951213.4514312d86f42@webmail.telus.net> References: <1158949500.45142a7c43871@webmail.telus.net> <20060922183252.GD12184@replic.net> <1158950452.45142e34896e0@webmail.telus.net> <1158950892.1097.101.camel@mindpipe> <1158951213.4514312d86f42@webmail.telus.net> Message-ID: <1158954702.1097.104.camel@mindpipe> On Fri, 2006-09-22 at 11:53 -0700, iainduncan@telus.net wrote: > Quoting Lee Revell : > > > On Fri, 2006-09-22 at 11:40 -0700, iainduncan@telus.net wrote: > > > IE a fresh > > > install of Ubuntu won't even aplay, with one of the most popular > > > prosumer audio > > > cards out there! That is terrible. > > > > Which card? What were the symptoms? > > Delta 66. Worked fine until I actually installed any audio utils, then after > that even aplay wouldn't work. aplay won't work if JACK is running as this card lacks hardware mixing. > More troubling is the fact that it seemed near > impossible to gut all the sound stuff and start recompiling alsa drivers as > modules so that my card would be seen by the system as multi cards if I wan't it > to be. Ubuntu has rolled alsa control into gnome so you can't remove alsa > without removing gnome, unless you want to start rebuilding your entire desktop > , which kinda negates the advantages of Ubunutu. I googled a bit and found a lot > of others complaining about ice1712 bugs and how difficult it is to fix so to > heck with that. > You can build new ALSA packages, or just compile ALSA and install over the Ubuntu ALSA modules. Lee From rlrevell at joe-job.com Fri Sep 22 15:52:54 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Fri Sep 22 15:51:39 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Distros these days? What a mess! In-Reply-To: <4514307E.90702@block4.com> References: <1158949500.45142a7c43871@webmail.telus.net> <4514307E.90702@block4.com> Message-ID: <1158954774.1097.106.camel@mindpipe> On Fri, 2006-09-22 at 20:50 +0200, Malte Steiner wrote: > just for information, recent Ubuntu update seems to break Alsa, I can't > get jack running anymore, it always claims that the device is already > busy. Fortunaly I can get back the last kernel+modules version which works. > This is the expected behavior if a sound server is already using the device. JACK requires exclusive access. What do "fuser /dev/dsp" and "fuser /dev/snd/*" say? Lee From lau at kudla.org Fri Sep 22 15:54:39 2006 From: lau at kudla.org (Rob) Date: Fri Sep 22 15:58:22 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Distros these days? What a mess! In-Reply-To: <4514307E.90702@block4.com> References: <1158949500.45142a7c43871@webmail.telus.net> <4514307E.90702@block4.com> Message-ID: <200609221554.39778.lau@kudla.org> On Friday 22 September 2006 14:50, Malte Steiner wrote: > just for information, recent Ubuntu update seems to break > Alsa, I can't get jack running anymore, it always claims that > the device is already busy. Fortunaly I can get back the last > kernel+modules version which works. Thanks for the heads up.... it's been bugging me to install four kernel .debs for the last few days, I've been uneasy about it and now I'm not going to do it at all. Rob From folderol at ukfsn.org Fri Sep 22 16:07:45 2006 From: folderol at ukfsn.org (Folderol) Date: Fri Sep 22 16:07:32 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Song In-Reply-To: <4513D43B.8010200@woh.rr.com> References: <4512BC7E.8050709@cs.tu-berlin.de> <45130A1E.8030304@jensgulden.de> <4513C478.8050505@cubic.org> <4513D43B.8010200@woh.rr.com> Message-ID: <20060922210745.19f95581@localhost> On Fri, 22 Sep 2006 08:16:59 -0400 Dave Phillips wrote: > Dirk Jagdmann wrote: > > > Jens Gulden wrote: > > > >> S?nke Hahn wrote: > >> > >>> http://open-projects.net/~shahn/downloads/Wenn_ich_traeume.ogg > >> > >> > >> My god, LAU meets Musikantenstadl! My speakers just melted away when > >> the background-choir started... > > > > > > True, but this demonstrates that the Linux Audio Community broadens > > its spectrum and members not necessarily make electronic or rock music > > (which most computer geeks personally seem to prefer). > > I was listening to music on the LAM list this morning. As far as I can > tell we're in no danger of homogenization. :) > > Best, > > dp You noticed that as well :) All this diversity is scary stuff. We'd better not let those on the 'dark side' (tm) find out about it! -- Will J G From folderol at ukfsn.org Fri Sep 22 16:27:02 2006 From: folderol at ukfsn.org (Folderol) Date: Fri Sep 22 16:26:54 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] It seemed like a good idea at the time. Message-ID: <20060922212702.66132779@localhost> A while ago, having reorganised and rationalised my internet access (I now have broadband cheaper than my old dialup) it occured to me that any possible future changes would be a lot easier if I had my own domain. Well after some searching around for ideas, I zeroed in on the idea that I wanted something that would make a statement about my musical aspirations. To my surprise the domain 'musically.me.uk' was free so I grabbed it immediately. In the cold light of dawn however I wondered if doing so was maybe just a teensy weensy bit egotistical. I then thought maybe it would be useful to set this up a a links site (not that I have a clue about how to do that). However there were two logistical problems that became immediately apparent. The first is the 'uk' bit which rather limits potential guests. The other is that there do seem to be an embarrassingly high number of such sites, including our very own LAM. Not sure what I'll do with it now. As I said, it seemed a good idea at the time. Hmmm, that could be the title for a new tune :) -- Will J G From iainduncan at telus.net Fri Sep 22 16:26:38 2006 From: iainduncan at telus.net (iainduncan@telus.net) Date: Fri Sep 22 16:27:07 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Distros these days? What a mess! In-Reply-To: <1158954702.1097.104.camel@mindpipe> References: <1158949500.45142a7c43871@webmail.telus.net> <20060922183252.GD12184@replic.net> <1158950452.45142e34896e0@webmail.telus.net> <1158950892.1097.101.camel@mindpipe> <1158951213.4514312d86f42@webmail.telus.net> <1158954702.1097.104.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <1158956798.451446feca616@webmail.telus.net> > > Delta 66. Worked fine until I actually installed any audio utils, then > after > > that even aplay wouldn't work. > > aplay won't work if JACK is running as this card lacks hardware mixing. I had not installed or started Jack though .... > > More troubling is the fact that it seemed near > > impossible to gut all the sound stuff and start recompiling alsa drivers > as > > modules so that my card would be seen by the system as multi cards if I > wan't it > > to be. Ubuntu has rolled alsa control into gnome so you can't remove alsa > > without removing gnome, unless you want to start rebuilding your entire > desktop > > , which kinda negates the advantages of Ubunutu. I googled a bit and found > a lot > > of others complaining about ice1712 bugs and how difficult it is to fix so > to > > heck with that. > > > > You can build new ALSA packages, or just compile ALSA and install over > the Ubuntu ALSA modules. I tried that and didn't get anywhere either. I think Ubuntu has a bright future, but for now I don't think getting pro audio working on it is high on their priorit list! Anyway, it seemed needlessly difficult to take alsa out of the debian kernels and build it as modules because of the stock desktop integration. I think I'll give Arch linux a whirl and see how that goes. Iain From lanas at securenet.net Fri Sep 22 17:45:31 2006 From: lanas at securenet.net (lanas) Date: Fri Sep 22 17:45:13 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Distros these days? What a mess! In-Reply-To: <1158949500.45142a7c43871@webmail.telus.net> References: <1158949500.45142a7c43871@webmail.telus.net> Message-ID: <20060922174531.16d94977@mistral.stie> On Fri, 22 Sep 2006 11:25:00 -0700 iainduncan@telus.net ?crivait: > the major distros a total mess right now? Fedora core 5 seems to > require MUCH tweaking to get any audio working and has a lot of alsa > weirdness preventing serious work I went through the process recently and wrote a bit about it. Bought hardware (M-Audio 1010LT, M-Audio Pulsar mic, M-Audio Axiom 25 keyboard, M-Audio DX4 speakers - hey. the corner store just got the M-Audio line recently and that's all they have for serious audio). All that on top of a MSI Neo4 K8N, AMD dual core, 4GB RAM, a few disks. Next step was the distro. I use SuSE since a year and a half but was building/using Linux From Scratch for the past four years, at home and at work. I couldn't get Jacklab on SuSE, so I started to look elsewhere and settled for CCRMA (32 bits only) and also Studio 64. CCRMA works just fine right from the start, after installing Fedora Core 5. Instructions to install CCRMA are clear, with examples, and straightforward to follow. The choice of packages has quite a lot and RFedora provides the required system tools for development/compilation. The only let down is that it's only 32 bits. But apart from that, the ratio fun/problem tweaking is very, very low (apart from learning how the apps actually work ! which most of them are easy to get basic fun). Studio 64 works also right from the start but I don't have the impression that the development tools are there and, it looks like a very straight 64 bit system in that a compiled emacs will run in a terminal window because it did not find X). Back to SuSE 10.0, I find the 'Nerd 3' instructions to install Jacklab not that clear, especially regarding installing the real-time version of the kernel. And, as shipped, SuSE 10.0 will let bundled audio apps (jack, hydrogen, zyn, etc...) only run as root. Surely that's not much to fix, but the total outlook does not seem too well for someone who does not have that much time to spend on fixing stuff. So that's on the backburner until Jacklab evolves a bit. I'm surprised that Fedora 5 / CCRMA does not work for you since you also have a M-Audio card. Cheers. Al From lanas at securenet.net Fri Sep 22 17:50:12 2006 From: lanas at securenet.net (lanas) Date: Fri Sep 22 17:49:44 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] New music on my new website In-Reply-To: <450AD8EB.3090607@free.fr> References: <450AD8EB.3090607@free.fr> Message-ID: <20060922175012.329dafc7@mistral.stie> On Fri, 15 Sep 2006 18:46:35 +0200 Lilli Chiffon ?crivait: > Here's the link : > http://lesondumur.free.fr/ I got right now the following: Service Unavailable Apache/ProXad [Jul 18 2006 14:37:10] Server at lesondumur.free.fr Port 80 Do they talk about you on Slashdot ? ;-) Cheers. Al From drucer99 at yahoo.com Fri Sep 22 18:09:18 2006 From: drucer99 at yahoo.com (Drucer Ninetynine) Date: Fri Sep 22 18:09:29 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Distros these days? What a mess! In-Reply-To: <1158949500.45142a7c43871@webmail.telus.net> Message-ID: <20060922220918.91748.qmail@web52212.mail.yahoo.com> Interesting message. You know - I had somewhat similar thoughts at some point. Then I stopped worrying, learned a lot and jumped into the driver's seat. I ditched every distro that I had tried - all of them had this or that feature that annoyed me. I installed LFS, learned a lot of things and I have to tell you that it has given me the best desktop OS experience ever. There is hardly anything that annoys me now. It's more or less a smooth ride now. Like I've said - the ingredients are out there to make one helluva audio system - it's just a matter of getting it all together. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From lilli.chiffon at free.fr Fri Sep 22 18:09:34 2006 From: lilli.chiffon at free.fr (Lilli Chiffon) Date: Fri Sep 22 18:10:14 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] New music on my new website In-Reply-To: <20060922175012.329dafc7@mistral.stie> References: <450AD8EB.3090607@free.fr> <20060922175012.329dafc7@mistral.stie> Message-ID: <45145F1E.5080003@free.fr> lanas a ?crit : >On Fri, 15 Sep 2006 18:46:35 +0200 >Lilli Chiffon ?crivait: > > > >>Here's the link : >>http://lesondumur.free.fr/ >> >> > >I got right now the following: > >Service Unavailable >Apache/ProXad [Jul 18 2006 14:37:10] Server at lesondumur.free.fr Port >80 > > > I've got the same, maybe on maintenance >Do they talk about you on Slashdot ? ;-) > > Sorry i don't understand this phrase (i'm not english) >Cheers. >Al > > > > ? bient?t P'tit Louis From a at gaydenko.com Fri Sep 22 18:56:24 2006 From: a at gaydenko.com (Andrew Gaydenko) Date: Fri Sep 22 18:56:17 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [ANN] QLoud v.0.17 - harmonics (distortions) plotting is added Message-ID: <200609230256.25058@goldspace.net> QLoud is a tool to measure loudspeaker frequency response and (yes!) distortions. Find it here: http://gaydenko.com/qloud/ Changes: - harmonics (distortions) plotting is added, - as a result, noticeable part of common code was refactored/rewritten. Direct screenshot link to harmonics plot: http://gaydenko.com/qloud/screenshots/shot03.png If you have a sound card with good DAC and ADC, you can plot harmonic distortions for another audio equipment, say, for your power amplifier - cited screenshot has also harmonics plot for loopbacked sound card. Andrew From lanas at securenet.net Fri Sep 22 20:05:33 2006 From: lanas at securenet.net (lanas) Date: Fri Sep 22 20:05:22 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] New music on my new website In-Reply-To: <45145F1E.5080003@free.fr> References: <450AD8EB.3090607@free.fr> <20060922175012.329dafc7@mistral.stie> <45145F1E.5080003@free.fr> Message-ID: <20060922200533.3e097342@mistral.stie> On Sat, 23 Sep 2006 00:09:34 +0200 Lilli Chiffon ?crivait: > >Do they talk about you on Slashdot ? ;-) > Sorry i don't understand this phrase (i'm not english) Slashdot est un site de discussions pour les "nerds et geeks" (!) Lorsqu'on y mentionne un site web, l'affluence sur Slashdot (slashdot.org) est si grande que ce site mentionn? voit soudainement un tr?s grand nombre de visiteurs et quelques fois il arrive que le serveur de ce site 'succombe' sous l'affluence soudaine. De l? l'expression bien connue: "un site slashdott?" (traduction libre ;-) Bon, essayons une table de conjugaison, histoire de maintenir l'int?r?t chez les lecteurs anglophones (pour leur donner l'impression qu'en lisant ceci ils vont apprendre quelque chose ... ;-) Je slashdotte Tu slashdottes Il slashdotte Nous slashdottons Vous slashdottez Ils slashdottent H? oui. Salut bien. Al From renueden at earthlink.net Sat Sep 23 01:54:07 2006 From: renueden at earthlink.net (Ken) Date: Sat Sep 23 01:54:21 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Distros these days? What a mess! In-Reply-To: <4514307E.90702@block4.com> References: <1158949500.45142a7c43871@webmail.telus.net> <4514307E.90702@block4.com> Message-ID: <4514CBFF.8060000@earthlink.net> Malte Steiner wrote: > just for information, recent Ubuntu update seems to break Alsa, I > can't get jack running anymore, it always claims thas, > t the device is already busy. Fortunaly I can get back the last > kernel+modules version which works. > > This happened to me recently on my laptop. I am new to Ubuntu. Will they fix this, or is there some steps to restore alsa I can take? Thanks, Ken From tech at glastonburymusic.org.uk Sat Sep 23 03:08:38 2006 From: tech at glastonburymusic.org.uk (tim hall) Date: Sat Sep 23 03:12:47 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] New music on my new website In-Reply-To: <20060922200533.3e097342@mistral.stie> References: <450AD8EB.3090607@free.fr> <45145F1E.5080003@free.fr> <20060922200533.3e097342@mistral.stie> Message-ID: <200609230808.39757.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> On Saturday 23 September 2006 01:05, lanas was like: > On Sat, 23 Sep 2006 00:09:34 +0200 > > Lilli Chiffon ?crivait: > > >Do they talk about you on Slashdot ? ;-) > > > > Sorry i don't understand this phrase (i'm not english) > > Slashdot est un site de discussions pour les "nerds et geeks" (!) > Lorsqu'on y mentionne un site web, l'affluence sur Slashdot > (slashdot.org) est si grande que ce site mentionn? voit soudainement un > tr?s grand nombre de visiteurs et quelques fois il arrive que le > serveur de ce site 'succombe' sous l'affluence soudaine. > > De l? l'expression bien connue: "un site slashdott?" (traduction > libre ;-) > > Bon, essayons une table de conjugaison, histoire de maintenir l'int?r?t > chez les lecteurs anglophones (pour leur donner l'impression qu'en > lisant ceci ils vont apprendre quelque chose ... ;-) > > Je slashdotte > Tu slashdottes > Il slashdotte > Nous slashdottons > Vous slashdottez > Ils slashdottent > > H? oui. I think this should be archived somewhere permanent and referenced under Linux Audio Humour. As an Anglophonic reader, I'm very grateful to know how to conjugate slashdot as a verb in French. I also now have the impression that French websites operate in a similar manner to restaurants. I rather like the idea of succumbing to sudden affluence. um... :] -- cheers, tim hall http://glastonburymusic.org.uk/tim We are the people We've been waiting for. From tech at glastonburymusic.org.uk Sat Sep 23 03:30:47 2006 From: tech at glastonburymusic.org.uk (tim hall) Date: Sat Sep 23 03:31:01 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: ANN: bristol 0.9.5-60 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200609230830.47984.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> On Wednesday 20 September 2006 21:31, Nick Copeland was like: > On a related issue, what are other wishes for bristol? My plans are the > midi support, lash support, a korg ms-20 type synth, finalise the mixer and > perhaps add a bristol modular although I don't like this last idea to much > as it goes against the idea of being an emulator. > > I will put the EMS Synthi on the list, although I don't have a breadboard > patching and I was not aware they had patch cable controlled synths - this > is EMS, no? I will admit to wanting to work on some of their synths > already, but if I get a breadboard then perhaps an ARP 2500 is on the cards > although that is a lot more work. I confess to not having looked at Bristol for a long time. Last time I looked it didn't work at all on my system and I wasn't savvy enough to send in any kind of bug report. I *need* a decent analog synth emulator. If you really have plans to incorporate MS-20 and EMS Synthi type synths, I will gladly help test them out. I don't understand what you mean by breadboard - this is some sort of patching system? If you can even figure out how to digitally simulate EMS filters, it would constitute a Major victory in my books. Anyhow, it's clearly time to have a serious play around with Bristol. Good to know you're on the case. :) -- cheers, tim hall http://glastonburymusic.org.uk/tim We are the people We've been waiting for. From tech at glastonburymusic.org.uk Sat Sep 23 03:59:56 2006 From: tech at glastonburymusic.org.uk (tim hall) Date: Sat Sep 23 04:00:13 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re:Re: ANN: bristol 0.9.5-60 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200609230859.58125.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> On Thursday 21 September 2006 03:38, Sylvain Robitaille was like: > > I will put the EMS Synthi on the list, although I don't have a breadboard > > patching and I was not aware they had patch cable controlled synths - > > this is EMS, no? > > Yes. ?From what I read (I have no direct experience with any EMS models), > the Synthi 100 was a massive unit that you quite literally built your > studio around (ie: install the synth _before_ the walls go up!) ?I don't > _think_ it was modular in the purest sense of that term, though I imagine > it likely had a patchbay. I was thinking of the Synthi A or VCS3. Surely they would make more realistic targets? Certainly that would be what I'd want to emulate. http://www.ems-synthi.demon.co.uk/emsprods.html#vcs3 http://www.ems-synthi.demon.co.uk/emsprods.html#synthia I don't know whether Graham Hinton would be prepared to help with this. I may get the chance to talk to him in the near future, so it would be useful to have some intelligent questions to ask if the opportunity arises. -- cheers, tim hall http://glastonburymusic.org.uk/tim We are the people We've been waiting for. From tech at glastonburymusic.org.uk Sat Sep 23 04:13:34 2006 From: tech at glastonburymusic.org.uk (tim hall) Date: Sat Sep 23 04:14:00 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] OpenMusic V In-Reply-To: <451275B6.8020101@woh.rr.com> References: <451275B6.8020101@woh.rr.com> Message-ID: <200609230913.34440.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> On Thursday 21 September 2006 12:21, Dave Phillips was like: > I worked with the older version for Linux, it had promise but was > unfinished compared to the great version for the Mac. Maybe this time we > get it all ? Here's hoping. ;) -- fingers crossed, tim hall http://glastonburymusic.org.uk/tim We are the people We've been waiting for. From tech at glastonburymusic.org.uk Sat Sep 23 04:21:48 2006 From: tech at glastonburymusic.org.uk (tim hall) Date: Sat Sep 23 04:21:59 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Solved: flash movie buffering problems In-Reply-To: <1158933788.1097.47.camel@mindpipe> References: <45138612.1050809@boosthardware.com> <1158933788.1097.47.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <200609230921.48865.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> On Friday 22 September 2006 15:03, Lee Revell was like: > I would call it "sheer idiocy" and yet another reason Flash is evil. Yeah, Flash is evil. Unfortunately most know-nothing computer users expect it to work out of the box. What open-source alternative is there that gives the same kind of scriptable interaction? The merciless MNG didn't turn out to be much of an adversary did it? -- cheers, tim hall http://glastonburymusic.org.uk/tim We are the people We've been waiting for. From yves_p at nnx.com Sat Sep 23 04:28:25 2006 From: yves_p at nnx.com (Yves Potin) Date: Sat Sep 23 04:28:36 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: ANN: bristol 0.9.5-60 In-Reply-To: <200609230830.47984.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> References: <200609230830.47984.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> Message-ID: <20060923082825.GS2721@localhost> Le 23 Sep ? 08:30, tim hall ecrivait: > I confess to not having looked at Bristol for a long time. Last time I looked > it didn't work at all on my system and I wasn't savvy enough to send in any > kind of bug report. I *need* a decent analog synth emulator. You should try the last version, it's really awesome. Jack support works perfectly, I'm now working on the official doc of the ARP 2600 to re-learn and re-think the basis of synthesis and learn how such a wonder could work. ( http://guitarfool.com/ARP2600.html ). Nick, great thanks for your work :). Cheers, Y. From tech at glastonburymusic.org.uk Sat Sep 23 04:40:56 2006 From: tech at glastonburymusic.org.uk (tim hall) Date: Sat Sep 23 04:41:06 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Realtime kernel does not boot In-Reply-To: <200609201752.55621.dominic.sacre@gmx.de> References: <200609201752.55621.dominic.sacre@gmx.de> Message-ID: <200609230940.56851.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> On Wednesday 20 September 2006 16:52, Dominic Sacr? was like: > Is anyone successfully running a realtime kernel on a similarly old > machine? Yes. Various kernels from 2.4 to current using both realtime-lsm and patched PAM successfully. -- cheers, tim hall http://glastonburymusic.org.uk/tim We are the people We've been waiting for. From pshirkey at boosthardware.com Sat Sep 23 04:40:53 2006 From: pshirkey at boosthardware.com (Patrick Shirkey) Date: Sat Sep 23 04:42:39 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Solved: flash movie buffering problems In-Reply-To: <200609230921.48865.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> References: <45138612.1050809@boosthardware.com> <1158933788.1097.47.camel@mindpipe> <200609230921.48865.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> Message-ID: <4514F315.604@boosthardware.com> tim hall wrote: > On Friday 22 September 2006 15:03, Lee Revell was like: >> I would call it "sheer idiocy" and yet another reason Flash is evil. > > Yeah, Flash is evil. > > Unfortunately most know-nothing computer users expect it to work out of the > box. What open-source alternative is there that gives the same kind of > scriptable interaction? The merciless MNG didn't turn out to be much of an > adversary did it? The paradigm that Flash represents is great but the way they license it and continue to keep it private when it is very obviously a monopoly is evil. It's still the most effective way to get high quality animation or video into a webpage and you know that 95% of the browsers in the world support it. Compared to embedded mpg, wmv or rm... Plus it's light weight. SVG is the answer but the development is still far from being complete. Give them time though. Firefox now has svg support without having to patch and supposedly msie7 will too. -- Patrick Shirkey - Boost Hardware Ltd. Http://www.boosthardware.com Http://lau.linuxaudio.org - The Linux Audio Users guide ======================================== "Anything your mind can see you can manifest physically, then it will become reality" - Macka B From tech at glastonburymusic.org.uk Sat Sep 23 05:16:07 2006 From: tech at glastonburymusic.org.uk (tim hall) Date: Sat Sep 23 05:16:24 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Solved: flash movie buffering problems In-Reply-To: <4514F315.604@boosthardware.com> References: <45138612.1050809@boosthardware.com> <200609230921.48865.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> <4514F315.604@boosthardware.com> Message-ID: <200609231016.08089.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> On Saturday 23 September 2006 09:40, Patrick Shirkey was like: > SVG is the answer but the development is still far from being complete. > Give them time though. Firefox now has svg support without having to > patch and supposedly msie7 will too. SVG? For animations with scriptable user interactivity? really? how? -- cheers, tim hall http://glastonburymusic.org.uk/tim We are the people We've been waiting for. From joke at apo33.org Sat Sep 23 07:28:12 2006 From: joke at apo33.org (joke) Date: Sat Sep 23 05:29:42 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Distros these days? What a mess! In-Reply-To: <1158949500.45142a7c43871@webmail.telus.net> References: <1158949500.45142a7c43871@webmail.telus.net> Message-ID: <45151A4C.3040007@apo33.org> I am acutally use apodio since many years... and those last 2 years I feel more & more easy to make professional audio than ever!!! I do whatever I want, I becareful of the equipment I buy and then I install my distro and go on... and we actually more & more install party... people are more ready than ever! but I made last week a testing sessions of different distro and I got a lot of problem... I missed prepared distro with many on it and easy to add... -I test the last Debian 3rc1 or something (you need to refresh the all system after you installed, I think that's a little oldies way of making a distro... and becareful of the glibc update ahahah :-D ) -the last ubuntu dapper 6.0.6 or something (I didn't make it work on my machine, a lot of problems of writing on the DD... I met people with same experience on .iso of ubuntu downloaded from their website... bouga) -I test the last fedora, was nice install but after you need another day of configuration of your audio + install... planet CCRMA should make a planetCCRMA LIvecd based on fedora that you could install straight ready to go... it could rocks... I don't (I know why they not do it) just shared experience .... cheers joke http://www.apodio.org > Gaaah! I haven't had to install a new linux in ages, and now am faced with doing > so. Is it just me, or is the state of linux pro audio on the major distros a > total mess right now? Fedora core 5 seems to require MUCH tweaking to get any > audio working and has a lot of alsa weirdness preventing serious work, > Ubuntu just plain doesn't work with numerous cards ( including mine! ) and > gentoo took a giant step backwards by rushing a broken and not ready 2006.1 > installer out the door negating all the advantages they used to have. > > Am I the only one who feels like getting pro audio working these days is > *harder* than two years ago??? It seems to me that in the race to make a distro > that has everything working out of the box, we now have a bunch of things that > are really screwed up for those of us with unusual needs, and now they are much > harder to untangle. =( > > Any recos for a distro that must: > - be decent for development > - allow easy integration of from source apps with the distro > - be realtively straightforward for audio kernel recompiles > > Thanks > Iain > > > > > > > From joke at apo33.org Sat Sep 23 07:29:22 2006 From: joke at apo33.org (joke) Date: Sat Sep 23 05:31:03 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Distros these days? What a mess! In-Reply-To: <20060922193304.6441c8d7@localhost> References: <1158949500.45142a7c43871@webmail.telus.net> <20060922193304.6441c8d7@localhost> Message-ID: <45151A92.5070403@apo33.org> I have to test the 32 bit version!! definitly! j > So far, the best results I've had are from Debian based 64studio (32 bit > version). > > Does all the audio stuff very well, and with not too much tweaking I > seem to be able to get most office type stuff organised. > > Strangely enough, although in the UK I find the German 'testing' > repositories seem more complete. > > From pshirkey at boosthardware.com Sat Sep 23 06:06:59 2006 From: pshirkey at boosthardware.com (Patrick Shirkey) Date: Sat Sep 23 06:07:56 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Solved: flash movie buffering problems In-Reply-To: <200609231016.08089.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> References: <45138612.1050809@boosthardware.com> <200609230921.48865.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> <4514F315.604@boosthardware.com> <200609231016.08089.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> Message-ID: <45150743.4030401@boosthardware.com> tim hall wrote: > On Saturday 23 September 2006 09:40, Patrick Shirkey was like: >> SVG is the answer but the development is still far from being complete. >> Give them time though. Firefox now has svg support without having to >> patch and supposedly msie7 will too. > > SVG? For animations with scriptable user interactivity? really? how? I haven't seen any specific examples but I recall it being possible to do animated svg. The scriptable user interactivity can be achieved through AJAX methods or a specific plugin may be developed much like the Flash plugin. IIUC Flash is just XML run through a specific set of functions defined in the flash plugin. -- Patrick Shirkey - Boost Hardware Ltd. Http://www.boosthardware.com Http://lau.linuxaudio.org - The Linux Audio Users guide ======================================== "Anything your mind can see you can manifest physically, then it will become reality" - Macka B From lilli.chiffon at free.fr Sat Sep 23 06:28:57 2006 From: lilli.chiffon at free.fr (Lilli Chiffon) Date: Sat Sep 23 06:29:10 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] New music on my new website In-Reply-To: <200609230808.39757.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> References: <450AD8EB.3090607@free.fr> <45145F1E.5080003@free.fr> <20060922200533.3e097342@mistral.stie> <200609230808.39757.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> Message-ID: <45150C69.5060308@free.fr> tim hall a ?crit : >On Saturday 23 September 2006 01:05, lanas was like: > > >>On Sat, 23 Sep 2006 00:09:34 +0200 >> >>Lilli Chiffon ?crivait: >> >> >>>>Do they talk about you on Slashdot ? ;-) >>>> >>>> >>>Sorry i don't understand this phrase (i'm not english) >>> >>> >>Slashdot est un site de discussions pour les "nerds et geeks" (!) >>Lorsqu'on y mentionne un site web, l'affluence sur Slashdot >>(slashdot.org) est si grande que ce site mentionn? voit soudainement un >>tr?s grand nombre de visiteurs et quelques fois il arrive que le >>serveur de ce site 'succombe' sous l'affluence soudaine. >> >>De l? l'expression bien connue: "un site slashdott?" (traduction >>libre ;-) >> >> Thanks Lanas, i saw the explanation on wikipedia, now i know. >>Bon, essayons une table de conjugaison, histoire de maintenir l'int?r?t >>chez les lecteurs anglophones (pour leur donner l'impression qu'en >>lisant ceci ils vont apprendre quelque chose ... ;-) >> >>Je slashdotte >>Tu slashdottes >>Il slashdotte >>Nous slashdottons >>Vous slashdottez >>Ils slashdottent >> >>H? oui. >> >> Or in future Je slashdotterai tu slashdotteras il slashdottera Nous slashdotterons Vous slashdotterez Ils slashdotteront Voila ! I don't know why but i think there's a trouble on free server > >I think this should be archived somewhere permanent and referenced under Linux >Audio Humour. As an Anglophonic reader, I'm very grateful to know how to >conjugate slashdot as a verb in French. I also now have the impression that >French websites operate in a similar manner to restaurants. I rather like the >idea of succumbing to sudden affluence. > >um... :] > > You mean there's a huge menu on french website ? From t_w_ at freenet.de Sat Sep 23 08:17:48 2006 From: t_w_ at freenet.de (Thorsten Wilms) Date: Sat Sep 23 08:20:21 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Solved: flash movie buffering problems In-Reply-To: <45150743.4030401@boosthardware.com> References: <45138612.1050809@boosthardware.com> <200609230921.48865.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> <4514F315.604@boosthardware.com> <200609231016.08089.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> <45150743.4030401@boosthardware.com> Message-ID: <20060923121748.GA5428@charly.SWORD> On Sat, Sep 23, 2006 at 05:06:59PM +0700, Patrick Shirkey wrote: > >SVG? For animations with scriptable user interactivity? really? how? > > I haven't seen any specific examples but I recall it being possible to > do animated svg. The scriptable user interactivity can be achieved > through AJAX methods or a specific plugin may be developed much like the > Flash plugin. Not of much worth without a convenient authoring tool. -- Thorsten Wilms From lau at ballen.fastmail.fm Sat Sep 23 08:27:50 2006 From: lau at ballen.fastmail.fm (Bill Allen) Date: Sat Sep 23 08:27:58 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Distros these days? What a mess! In-Reply-To: <4514CBFF.8060000@earthlink.net> References: <1158949500.45142a7c43871@webmail.telus.net> <4514307E.90702@block4.com> <4514CBFF.8060000@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <45152846.2050206@ballen.fastmail.fm> Ken wrote: > Malte Steiner wrote: >> just for information, recent Ubuntu update seems to break Alsa, I >> can't get jack running anymore, it always claims thas, >> t the device is already busy. Fortunaly I can get back the last >> kernel+modules version which works. >> >> > This happened to me recently on my laptop. I am new to Ubuntu. Will > they fix this, or is there some steps to restore alsa I can take? > Thanks, > Ken I just noticed this. It seems that esd is running. Kill it and jack should work. I don't know any more than that. Bill From lanas at securenet.net Sat Sep 23 08:47:43 2006 From: lanas at securenet.net (lanas) Date: Sat Sep 23 08:47:24 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Distros these days? What a mess! In-Reply-To: <20060922220918.91748.qmail@web52212.mail.yahoo.com> References: <1158949500.45142a7c43871@webmail.telus.net> <20060922220918.91748.qmail@web52212.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20060923084743.49193169@mistral.stie> On Fri, 22 Sep 2006 15:09:18 -0700 (PDT) Drucer Ninetynine wrote: > Interesting message. You know - I had somewhat similar > thoughts at some point. Then I stopped worrying, > learned a lot and jumped into the driver's seat. I > ditched every distro that I had tried - all of them > had this or that feature that annoyed me. I installed > LFS, learned a lot of things and I have to tell you > that it has given me the best desktop OS experience > ever. At this point I still have to figure out this 64/32 bits library setup thing before I go back to LFS (maybe reading the mailing list would be a good start). I guess I could natively build a 64 bits LFS using a 64 bits distro like SuSE, but the chip supports 32 bits and it seems some apps are simply not used to 64 bits environment for compiling and running. If I was going XScale or PPC or something then I'd expect limitations, but not on the AMD X2. > There is hardly anything that annoys me now. It's more > or less a smooth ride now. Like I've said - the > ingredients are out there to make one helluva audio > system - it's just a matter of getting it all together. Yes indeed ! I really liked the years I used LFS. This is where I first compiled and ran MuSE a couple of years ago. And the stability of the system is impressive because you get to make things run for you so you don't put a zillion unedded processes and modules, as well as a myriad of cases in bootscripts. Not so with SuSE, for instance. I switch (and bought) a commercial distro in 2005 to see what it's like to jump on the big mainstream Linux bandwagon. And athough all the glitter is at the rendez-vous, there are significant instances of instability. Nevertheless I'm impressed with a distro such as SuSE 10.0 (10.1 not !). Hopefully the good folks at Jacklab will put out a clear and stable way of incorporating the Linux Audio suite of applications in the near future. Cheers. Al From rlrevell at joe-job.com Sat Sep 23 11:20:55 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Sat Sep 23 11:19:38 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Solved: flash movie buffering problems In-Reply-To: <4514F315.604@boosthardware.com> References: <45138612.1050809@boosthardware.com> <1158933788.1097.47.camel@mindpipe> <200609230921.48865.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> <4514F315.604@boosthardware.com> Message-ID: <1159024856.1097.133.camel@mindpipe> On Sat, 2006-09-23 at 15:40 +0700, Patrick Shirkey wrote: > tim hall wrote: > > On Friday 22 September 2006 15:03, Lee Revell was like: > >> I would call it "sheer idiocy" and yet another reason Flash is evil. > > > > Yeah, Flash is evil. > > > > Unfortunately most know-nothing computer users expect it to work out of the > > box. What open-source alternative is there that gives the same kind of > > scriptable interaction? The merciless MNG didn't turn out to be much of an > > adversary did it? > > The paradigm that Flash represents is great but the way they license it > and continue to keep it private when it is very obviously a monopoly is > evil. > > It's still the most effective way to get high quality animation or video > into a webpage and you know that 95% of the browsers in the world > support it. Compared to embedded mpg, wmv or rm... What's wrong with embedded .mpg or .wmv, other than being easy to download (or "pirate" if you talk to the content people). Those work on a much wider range of OSes than Flash. For example, why in the hell do YouTube and Google Video default to flash? Embedded .mpg would be MUCH more user friendly. Flash does not work at all on my Linux system (terrible AV sync, probably because my machine is slow), but I can watch DVD-quality .mpgs and .avis without dropping a frame. Lee From rlrevell at joe-job.com Sat Sep 23 11:21:46 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Sat Sep 23 11:20:46 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Distros these days? What a mess! In-Reply-To: <4514CBFF.8060000@earthlink.net> References: <1158949500.45142a7c43871@webmail.telus.net> <4514307E.90702@block4.com> <4514CBFF.8060000@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <1159024907.1097.135.camel@mindpipe> On Fri, 2006-09-22 at 22:54 -0700, Ken wrote: > Malte Steiner wrote: > > just for information, recent Ubuntu update seems to break Alsa, I > > can't get jack running anymore, it always claims thas, > > t the device is already busy. Fortunaly I can get back the last > > kernel+modules version which works. > > > > > This happened to me recently on my laptop. I am new to Ubuntu. Will > they fix this, or is there some steps to restore alsa I can take? What's the Ubuntu bug ID#? Which release? Lee From rlrevell at joe-job.com Sat Sep 23 11:34:42 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Sat Sep 23 11:33:31 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Distros these days? What a mess! In-Reply-To: <1158949500.45142a7c43871@webmail.telus.net> References: <1158949500.45142a7c43871@webmail.telus.net> Message-ID: <1159025682.1097.148.camel@mindpipe> On Fri, 2006-09-22 at 11:25 -0700, iainduncan@telus.net wrote: > Am I the only one who feels like getting pro audio working these days is > *harder* than two years ago??? It seems to me that in the race to make a distro > that has everything working out of the box, we now have a bunch of things that > are really screwed up for those of us with unusual needs, and now they are much > harder to untangle. =( I think you're right that the situation is getting worse, but I don't think it's the distros fault - I think it's hardware. As PCs get cheaper and cheaper, the proliferation of hardware varieties has become exponential. For example, in 1998 99% of machines had a PIIX4 chipset and you never heard of a distro not seeing someone's disks unless the user did something wrong. Nowadays there are several different ATA, SATA, PATA, etc. chipsets from many different vendors several of who STILL don't bother to make sure Linux works with their hardware. For example Marvell just last week gave the Linux kernel guys the documentation to support their chipsets, which have been shipping for months (years?). HDA intel is another example, where the design is such that in order to make it work you would need a sample of every f**king laptop make and model on the planet, or documentation from every vendor, where in the past it was enough to have the chipset docs. The proliferation of hardware has nothing to do with performance - it's just to make cheap junk cheaper and to fool users with useless "value added" features like fakeraid. Lee From dana at ubuntustudio.com Sat Sep 23 12:18:31 2006 From: dana at ubuntustudio.com (Dana Olson) Date: Sat Sep 23 12:24:08 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Realtime kernel does not boot In-Reply-To: <1158782049.20628.54.camel@mindpipe> References: <200609201752.55621.dominic.sacre@gmx.de> <20060920161132.GB2079@replic.net> <1158776268.4691.83.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1158778138.20628.41.camel@mindpipe> <5bdc1c8b0609201243v768c0516n51a8b9be6ed1923e@mail.gmail.com> <1158782049.20628.54.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <1159028311.4731.20.camel@polly> On Wed, 2006-09-20 at 15:54 -0400, Lee Revell wrote: > On Wed, 2006-09-20 at 12:43 -0700, Mark Knecht wrote: > > On 9/20/06, Lee Revell wrote: > > > > > > > > 2.6.18-rt2 is out now, it's worth a try. > > > > > > I'd be interested to see if the problem can be reproduced with > > > the .config I posted. Neither I nor the 64studio guys nor any of their > > > users can reproduce these problems at all. > > > > > > Lee > > > > 2.6.18-rt2 doesn't boot on my AMD64 machine. > > > > 2.6.17-rt5 is fine. 2.6.17-rt8 is unreliable booting for me. > > > > I'd suggesting giving Ingo a few days to work through the initial > > reports before anyone do *too* much work with the 2.6.18-rt stuff. > > Just my thoughts. > > On the bright side, 2.8.18-rt* is the first -rt patch since 2.6.13 or so > to be *smaller* than the previous one, due to many -rt only features > going into mainline for 2.6.18. Hopefully this trend will continue... > > Lee I don't know if you've seen this or not, but that is definitely the plan: http://www.internetnews.com/dev-news/article.php/3627831 Dana -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part Url : http://music.columbia.edu/pipermail/linux-audio-user/attachments/20060923/85585752/attachment.bin From dana at ubuntustudio.com Sat Sep 23 12:17:13 2006 From: dana at ubuntustudio.com (Dana Olson) Date: Sat Sep 23 12:24:20 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Solved: flash movie buffering problems In-Reply-To: <1159024856.1097.133.camel@mindpipe> References: <45138612.1050809@boosthardware.com> <1158933788.1097.47.camel@mindpipe> <200609230921.48865.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> <4514F315.604@boosthardware.com> <1159024856.1097.133.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <1159028233.4731.18.camel@polly> On Sat, 2006-09-23 at 11:20 -0400, Lee Revell wrote: > On Sat, 2006-09-23 at 15:40 +0700, Patrick Shirkey wrote: > > tim hall wrote: > > > On Friday 22 September 2006 15:03, Lee Revell was like: > > >> I would call it "sheer idiocy" and yet another reason Flash is evil. > > > > > > Yeah, Flash is evil. > > > > > > Unfortunately most know-nothing computer users expect it to work out of the > > > box. What open-source alternative is there that gives the same kind of > > > scriptable interaction? The merciless MNG didn't turn out to be much of an > > > adversary did it? > > > > The paradigm that Flash represents is great but the way they license it > > and continue to keep it private when it is very obviously a monopoly is > > evil. > > > > It's still the most effective way to get high quality animation or video > > into a webpage and you know that 95% of the browsers in the world > > support it. Compared to embedded mpg, wmv or rm... > > What's wrong with embedded .mpg or .wmv, other than being easy to > download (or "pirate" if you talk to the content people). Those work on > a much wider range of OSes than Flash. > > For example, why in the hell do YouTube and Google Video default to > flash? Embedded .mpg would be MUCH more user friendly. > > Flash does not work at all on my Linux system (terrible AV sync, > probably because my machine is slow), but I can watch DVD-quality .mpgs > and .avis without dropping a frame. > > Lee The horrible AV sync has nothing to do with machine speed, and everything to do with Flash 7 sucking on Linux. They claim that Flash 9 will be fixed, as it uses ALSA I believe... And I expect we'll get it when Windows users are at about version 12 or so. Dana -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part Url : http://music.columbia.edu/pipermail/linux-audio-user/attachments/20060923/1460cf2c/attachment.bin From rlrevell at joe-job.com Sat Sep 23 12:38:45 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Sat Sep 23 12:37:25 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Solved: flash movie buffering problems In-Reply-To: <1159028233.4731.18.camel@polly> References: <45138612.1050809@boosthardware.com> <1158933788.1097.47.camel@mindpipe> <200609230921.48865.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> <4514F315.604@boosthardware.com> <1159024856.1097.133.camel@mindpipe> <1159028233.4731.18.camel@polly> Message-ID: <1159029526.1097.154.camel@mindpipe> On Sat, 2006-09-23 at 12:17 -0400, Dana Olson wrote: > The horrible AV sync has nothing to do with machine speed, and > everything to do with Flash 7 sucking on Linux. That's what I always thought, but this has come up on other sites and a lot of Linux users report that YouTube is usable for them... Lee From lau at ballen.fastmail.fm Sat Sep 23 12:44:28 2006 From: lau at ballen.fastmail.fm (Bill Allen) Date: Sat Sep 23 12:45:52 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Distros these days? What a mess! In-Reply-To: <45151A92.5070403@apo33.org> References: <1158949500.45142a7c43871@webmail.telus.net> <20060922193304.6441c8d7@localhost> <45151A92.5070403@apo33.org> Message-ID: <4515646C.1070805@ballen.fastmail.fm> joke wrote: > I have to test the 32 bit version!! definitly! > > j >> So far, the best results I've had are from Debian based 64studio (32 bit >> version). >> >> Does all the audio stuff very well, and with not too much tweaking I >> seem to be able to get most office type stuff organised. >> >> Strangely enough, although in the UK I find the German 'testing' >> repositories seem more complete. >> >> > I've been happily using 64Studio (64 bit) on my amd64 system. I haven't tried it on my laptop (32 bit) yet. Bill From _ at whats-your.name Sat Sep 23 13:13:21 2006 From: _ at whats-your.name (carmen) Date: Sat Sep 23 13:13:24 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Solved: flash movie buffering problems In-Reply-To: <1159029526.1097.154.camel@mindpipe> References: <45138612.1050809@boosthardware.com> <1158933788.1097.47.camel@mindpipe> <200609230921.48865.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> <4514F315.604@boosthardware.com> <1159024856.1097.133.camel@mindpipe> <1159028233.4731.18.camel@polly> <1159029526.1097.154.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <20060923171321.GE12184@replic.net> On Sat Sep 23, 2006 at 12:38:45PM -0400, Lee Revell wrote: > On Sat, 2006-09-23 at 12:17 -0400, Dana Olson wrote: > > The horrible AV sync has nothing to do with machine speed, and > > everything to do with Flash 7 sucking on Linux. > > That's what I always thought, but this has come up on other sites and a > lot of Linux users report that YouTube is usable for them... YouTube is usable for me, but only because of a one-line greasemonkey script i wrote to replace the flash object with a mplayerplug-in/mozplugger compatible : http://whats-your.name/flashsucks right click "Install This User Script" on youtubewoflash.user.js or youtubedownload.user.js i suspect the reason behind everyone using flash is, the only format that would likely work on all platform-specific media player plugins is mpg, (good luck usinc wmv9 on mac, or quicktime h264 with windows media player by default, and we know they wont go anywhere near xvid or theora), whereas flash is installed 'everywhere' and its codec is better than mpg. as visual media moves to the web, the linux user is effectively shut off from this experience, or at least given a back-row seat.. > > Lee > From lau at kudla.org Sat Sep 23 13:47:26 2006 From: lau at kudla.org (Rob) Date: Sat Sep 23 13:48:35 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Solved: flash movie buffering problems In-Reply-To: <1159024856.1097.133.camel@mindpipe> References: <45138612.1050809@boosthardware.com> <4514F315.604@boosthardware.com> <1159024856.1097.133.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <200609231347.26810.lau@kudla.org> On Saturday 23 September 2006 11:20, Lee Revell wrote: > What's wrong with embedded .mpg or .wmv, other than being easy > to download (or "pirate" if you talk to the content people). > Those work on a much wider range of OSes than Flash. MPEG-1 would be unwatchable at the bandwidth Youtube uses. WMV using WMP codecs is only playable on my Linux box if I pirate some Windows code. (I'd settle for embedded MPEG-4 AVI's, though.) Flash sucks, but it is here and it's legal, even if it's not free software. Whoever said Flash was just a bunch of XML in a container like SVG was wrong, I think; that's like what Flash would have been like 10 years ago if XML had been around. Actionscript may just be Javascript, but the objects it exposes start with vectors and animation and go way off from there. SVG also has no sound support, and since this thread started by talking about sound sync problems in Flash, it's clearly not a suitable replacement as things stand now. That SMIL or whatever it was a couple years ago that was supposed to provide audio capabilities through Javascript doesn't seem to have taken off, to the point where people are even using Flash just to stream MP3's. There will be a day when all browsers will have SVG, canvas support, inbuilt access to video codecs or a standardized interface to video player plugins, audio support, some kind of synchronization framework, and a development environment that entices designers to use all those technologies together, like Flash has now. Probably it'll have a catchy acronym like Ajax to sell it as well. That day will be far enough in the future that I can't see it. In the meantime, I look forward to the eventual maturity of Gnash. Rob From tech at glastonburymusic.org.uk Sat Sep 23 14:01:01 2006 From: tech at glastonburymusic.org.uk (tim hall) Date: Sat Sep 23 14:01:19 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Solved: flash movie buffering problems In-Reply-To: <20060923121748.GA5428@charly.SWORD> References: <45138612.1050809@boosthardware.com> <45150743.4030401@boosthardware.com> <20060923121748.GA5428@charly.SWORD> Message-ID: <200609231901.02392.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> On Saturday 23 September 2006 13:17, Thorsten Wilms was like: > On Sat, Sep 23, 2006 at 05:06:59PM +0700, Patrick Shirkey wrote: > > >SVG? For animations with scriptable user interactivity? really? how? > > > > I haven't seen any specific examples but I recall it being possible to > > do animated svg. The scriptable user interactivity can be achieved > > through AJAX methods or a specific plugin may be developed much like the > > Flash plugin. > > Not of much worth without a convenient authoring tool. I'm sure that if there were a suitable format and plugin, the authors of synfig and ktoon might be prepared to support it. -- cheers, tim hall http://glastonburymusic.org.uk/tim We are the people We've been waiting for. From tech at glastonburymusic.org.uk Sat Sep 23 14:09:35 2006 From: tech at glastonburymusic.org.uk (tim hall) Date: Sat Sep 23 14:10:03 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Solved: flash movie buffering problems In-Reply-To: <1159024856.1097.133.camel@mindpipe> References: <45138612.1050809@boosthardware.com> <4514F315.604@boosthardware.com> <1159024856.1097.133.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <200609231909.35750.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> On Saturday 23 September 2006 16:20, Lee Revell was like: > On Sat, 2006-09-23 at 15:40 +0700, Patrick Shirkey wrote: > > tim hall wrote: > > > On Friday 22 September 2006 15:03, Lee Revell was like: > > >> I would call it "sheer idiocy" and yet another reason Flash is evil. > > > > > > Yeah, Flash is evil. > > > > > > Unfortunately most know-nothing computer users expect it to work out of > > > the box. What open-source alternative is there that gives the same kind > > > of scriptable interaction? The merciless MNG didn't turn out to be much > > > of an adversary did it? > > > > The paradigm that Flash represents is great but the way they license it > > and continue to keep it private when it is very obviously a monopoly is > > evil. > > > > It's still the most effective way to get high quality animation or video > > into a webpage and you know that 95% of the browsers in the world > > support it. Compared to embedded mpg, wmv or rm... > > What's wrong with embedded .mpg or .wmv, other than being easy to > download (or "pirate" if you talk to the content people). Those work on > a much wider range of OSes than Flash. > > For example, why in the hell do YouTube and Google Video default to > flash? Embedded .mpg would be MUCH more user friendly. .mpg is great for video. I agree that flash players for other media suck. However .mpg doesn't provide animated vector graphics with scriptable interactivity, unless I've missed something. > Flash does not work at all on my Linux system (terrible AV sync, > probably because my machine is slow), but I can watch DVD-quality .mpgs > and .avis without dropping a frame. Flash works on my system, but it drops frames all over the place. Sure would be nice to break the monopoly. I'll dream on for now. :) -- cheers, tim hall http://glastonburymusic.org.uk/tim We are the people We've been waiting for. From rlrevell at joe-job.com Sat Sep 23 14:22:08 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Sat Sep 23 14:20:45 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Solved: flash movie buffering problems In-Reply-To: <200609231909.35750.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> References: <45138612.1050809@boosthardware.com> <4514F315.604@boosthardware.com> <1159024856.1097.133.camel@mindpipe> <200609231909.35750.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> Message-ID: <1159035728.1097.161.camel@mindpipe> On Sat, 2006-09-23 at 19:09 +0100, tim hall wrote: > .mpg is great for video. I agree that flash players for other media > suck. However .mpg doesn't provide animated vector graphics with > scriptable interactivity, unless I've missed something. Yes but who really cares about Flash games? YouTube is THE killer app of the web right now and Linux users are locked out. Lee From tech at glastonburymusic.org.uk Sat Sep 23 14:45:41 2006 From: tech at glastonburymusic.org.uk (tim hall) Date: Sat Sep 23 14:45:50 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Solved: flash movie buffering problems In-Reply-To: <1159035728.1097.161.camel@mindpipe> References: <45138612.1050809@boosthardware.com> <200609231909.35750.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> <1159035728.1097.161.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <200609231945.41284.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> On Saturday 23 September 2006 19:22, Lee Revell was like: > Yes but who really cares about Flash games? My 11 year old son. I have a serious sys admin challenge on my hands here. :) -- cheers, tim hall http://glastonburymusic.org.uk/tim We are the people We've been waiting for. From arnold.krille at gmail.com Sat Sep 23 14:52:08 2006 From: arnold.krille at gmail.com (Arnold Krille) Date: Sat Sep 23 14:52:18 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: It seemed like a good idea at the time. In-Reply-To: <20060922212702.66132779@localhost> References: <20060922212702.66132779@localhost> Message-ID: <2def88b80609231152q195ade8t74299af680a4a189@mail.gmail.com> 2006/9/22, Folderol : > The first is the 'uk' bit which rather limits potential guests. The > other is that there do seem to be an embarrassingly high number of such > sites, including our very own LAM. > Not sure what I'll do with it now. As I said, it seemed a good idea at > the time. Then use it for your own and if somebody wants to be linked on your site, add the link... As you said, there are already a lot of link-collections and if you pay for the domain (and webspace and traffic), you are the one to use it primarily. Arnold *egoistic arnoldarts.de-owner* Krille -- visit http://dillenburg.dyndns.org/~arnold/ --- Wenn man mit Raubkopien Bands wie Brosis oder Britney Spears wirklich verhindern k?nnte, w?rde ich mir noch heute einen Stapel Brenner und einen Sack Rohlinge kaufen. From rlrevell at joe-job.com Sat Sep 23 15:00:25 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Sat Sep 23 14:58:59 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Solved: flash movie buffering problems In-Reply-To: <20060923171321.GE12184@replic.net> References: <45138612.1050809@boosthardware.com> <1158933788.1097.47.camel@mindpipe> <200609230921.48865.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> <4514F315.604@boosthardware.com> <1159024856.1097.133.camel@mindpipe> <1159028233.4731.18.camel@polly> <1159029526.1097.154.camel@mindpipe> <20060923171321.GE12184@replic.net> Message-ID: <1159038025.1097.176.camel@mindpipe> On Sat, 2006-09-23 at 17:13 +0000, carmen wrote: > On Sat Sep 23, 2006 at 12:38:45PM -0400, Lee Revell wrote: > > On Sat, 2006-09-23 at 12:17 -0400, Dana Olson wrote: > > > The horrible AV sync has nothing to do with machine speed, and > > > everything to do with Flash 7 sucking on Linux. > > > > That's what I always thought, but this has come up on other sites and a > > lot of Linux users report that YouTube is usable for them... > > YouTube is usable for me, but only because of a one-line greasemonkey script i wrote to replace the flash object with a mplayerplug-in/mozplugger compatible : > > http://whats-your.name/flashsucks right click "Install This User Script" on youtubewoflash.user.js or youtubedownload.user.js > I'll try it but the mplayer plugin doesn't work reliably for me either. About 75% of the time it buffers then just sits there with a grey box and never plays. Occasionally it works if I hit "play" but most of the time I have to resort to right clicking and "copy URL", then run "gmplayer $URL" in a terminal which works *every time*. > > i suspect the reason behind everyone using flash is, the only format that would likely work on all platform-specific media player plugins is mpg, (good luck usinc wmv9 on mac, or quicktime h264 with windows media player by default, and we know they wont go anywhere near xvid or theora), whereas flash is installed 'everywhere' and its codec is better than mpg. Yeah, I sometimes forget that WMV still doesn't work reliably on Macs. But doesn't MPEG-4 work on every platform? Lee From iainduncan at telus.net Sat Sep 23 15:06:05 2006 From: iainduncan at telus.net (iainduncan@telus.net) Date: Sat Sep 23 15:06:13 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Distros these days? What a mess! In-Reply-To: <1159025682.1097.148.camel@mindpipe> References: <1158949500.45142a7c43871@webmail.telus.net> <1159025682.1097.148.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <1159038365.4515859d420fd@webmail.telus.net> > I think you're right that the situation is getting worse, but I don't > think it's the distros fault - I think it's hardware. As PCs get > cheaper and cheaper, the proliferation of hardware varieties has become > exponential. For example, in 1998 99% of machines had a PIIX4 chipset Oh I agree with you there. But there is also the fact that the race is on to make the first truely usable out of the box linux desktop, and that means superficial ( not meant in a bad way ) integration that solves 90% of the users needs for 90% of the users, in an easy point and click way. This means Ubuntu, Fedora, Suse, etc will try to make sure that *most* soundcards do *most* of what people want in *most* scenarios, but that invariably makes it more difficult to gut those average case scenarios and tweak things for pro audio. I think unfortunately we're in the growing pains stage of that. It's like, it use to be medium hard to install linux at all, and hard to get pro audio working. Now it's easy to install linux and very hard to get proaudio working. I think I'm going to do a dual distro installation with a shared home partition and see how that works out. Ubuntu and Arch by the looks of it, because Ubuntu really has done a great job of everything else I use, just no audio drivers. Arch is a tough slog, but at least you're learning useful stuff! Can anyone tell if sharing the home partition and swap partition is a good plan? I'm thinking seperate boots, seperate /s, and shared swap and home. Iain From zettberlin at linuxuse.de Sat Sep 23 15:33:36 2006 From: zettberlin at linuxuse.de (Hartmut Noack) Date: Sat Sep 23 15:33:55 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Distros these days? What a mess! In-Reply-To: <1158951213.4514312d86f42@webmail.telus.net> References: <1158949500.45142a7c43871@webmail.telus.net> <20060922183252.GD12184@replic.net> <1158950452.45142e34896e0@webmail.telus.net> <1158950892.1097.101.camel@mindpipe> <1158951213.4514312d86f42@webmail.telus.net> Message-ID: <45158C10.2050804@linuxuse.de> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 iainduncan@telus.net schrieb: > I googled a bit and found a lot > of others complaining about ice1712 bugs and how difficult it is to fix so to > heck with that. I got an ice1712-card for years too (terratec ewx 24/96) and since suse 8.2 it works just perfect. I always recommend this chipset for use with linux and even some vendors (like terratec) state, that the card works with linux... > I do hope they get on that Mubunut idea though, because in all other respects I > loved it. But pro audio users NEED to be able configure audio drivers as they > want, they really can't work with a tied in approach like that. i dont know... i never did any twaeking regarding alsa, i run audio on my box via jack with about 5ms latency and i can go as low as 1ms with some caution.... With the standardkernel in ubuntu. Friend, that have compiled the ubuntukernel with rt-patches report, that they even can get lower with much less caution (having jackd running with 2.8ms and softsynths, muse and ardour running actively while browsing the web with firefox and using GIMP and large javaapps at the same time...). So i agree, tweaking is cool and can bring advantage, yet it does not seam absolutely needed to me. best regards Z -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.3 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFFFYwP1Aecwva1SWMRAlwMAJ4jQPDV4HiK7KNn4ru2jpK+6KjyuQCfUSe9 9DrOP4130j2bjFDEGwdzdU8= =bf6F -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From steiner at block4.com Sat Sep 23 16:34:03 2006 From: steiner at block4.com (Malte Steiner) Date: Sat Sep 23 16:34:18 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Distros these days? What a mess! In-Reply-To: <1159024907.1097.135.camel@mindpipe> References: <1158949500.45142a7c43871@webmail.telus.net> <4514307E.90702@block4.com> <4514CBFF.8060000@earthlink.net> <1159024907.1097.135.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <45159A3B.90504@block4.com> Hello > > What's the Ubuntu bug ID#? Which release? I was about to write that ...................................................................... It happend to me with the last kernel update 2.6.15-27-k7 (amd) 2.6.15.26-k7 runs fine and I am glad I kept it. I don't know how widespread this problem is, not much people complains about it at the ubuntuforum so I hesitated to file a bug so far. But I guess not so much using ALSA and JACK in comparison to the usual ubuntu user. I try to kill ESD an ...................................................................... and rechecked it and magically everything works again! Good that we talked about. There were no kernel updates yesterday or the day before which could fix it and after the fatal update I restarted the machine several times, strange. Linux audio voodoo, but I keep the other Kernel and modules anyway to have at least a plan b on stage. Cheers, Malte -- Malte Steiner media art + development -www.block4.com- next events: elektronengehirn exhibition, lecture + concert @ Piksel 2006, Bergen, Norway 12.-15. october more at blog 4, also available as rss feed: http://java.block4.com/blog4/ From nando at ccrma.Stanford.EDU Sat Sep 23 16:41:15 2006 From: nando at ccrma.Stanford.EDU (Fernando Lopez-Lezcano) Date: Sat Sep 23 16:41:29 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Distros these days? What a mess! In-Reply-To: <45151A4C.3040007@apo33.org> References: <1158949500.45142a7c43871@webmail.telus.net> <45151A4C.3040007@apo33.org> Message-ID: <1159044075.15665.16.camel@cmn3.stanford.edu> On Sat, 2006-09-23 at 13:28 +0200, joke wrote: > -I test the last fedora, was nice install but after you need another day > of configuration of your audio + install... planet CCRMA should make a > planetCCRMA LIvecd based on fedora that you could install straight ready > to go... it could rocks... I don't (I know why they not do it) It will come eventually, the reason is simple, lack of time. You don't know how much work all of this is until you try :-) I do have a "one dvd install" for fc4 but fc4 is already old... -- Fernando From atte.jensen at gmail.com Sat Sep 23 17:28:17 2006 From: atte.jensen at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Atte_Andr=E9_Jensen?=) Date: Sat Sep 23 17:35:31 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] bristol problem Message-ID: <4515A6F1.5060805@gmail.com> Hi I just compiled latest bristol, and have the same problem as others that the gui window is all white. If I start without jack it seems to be ok (didn't test it, since I really need jack) but with jack I get the all white gui window. However it seems to open ok, it appears in jack, both with midi and audio, and the output looks ok also: atte@ajstrup:~/software/bristol/bristol-0.9.5/src$ ./startBristol -jack -2600 spawning midi thread parent going into idle loop connected to :0.0 (81492f0) display is 1024 by 768 pixels Window is w 1024, h 768, d 24, 0 0 0 Using DirectColor display masks are ff0000 ff0000 ff0000 Initialise the arp2600 link to bristol: 814e800 midi sequencer Opened listening control socket: 5028 Client ID = 129 Queue ID = 0 Device name did not parse, defaults 128.0 hostname is localhost, bristol port is 5028 Connected to the bristol control socket: 5 bristolengine already active Accepted connection from 0 (3) onto 2 (5) created 16 voices: allocated 16 to synth engine MIDI channel 0 spawning audio thread registering jack interface Rescheduled thread: 95 initialising one arp2600 done create interface: 81490c0, 814e800 Found port alsa_pcm:playback_1 Found port alsa_pcm:playback_2 Default connection bristol:out_left to alsa_pcm:playback_1 Default connection bristol:out_right to alsa_pcm:playback_2 Found port alsa_pcm:capture_1 Found port alsa_pcm:capture_2 Default connection alsa_pcm:capture_1 to bristol:in Any ideas? This is under debian/unstable... -- peace, love & harmony Atte http://www.atte.dk | quartet: http://www.anagrammer.dk | compositions: http://www.atte.dk/compositions From lilli.chiffon at free.fr Sat Sep 23 17:45:21 2006 From: lilli.chiffon at free.fr (Lilli Chiffon) Date: Sat Sep 23 17:45:52 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] New music on my new website In-Reply-To: <45150C69.5060308@free.fr> References: <450AD8EB.3090607@free.fr> <45145F1E.5080003@free.fr> <20060922200533.3e097342@mistral.stie> <200609230808.39757.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> <45150C69.5060308@free.fr> Message-ID: <4515AAF1.1060307@free.fr> It works again ! http://lesondumur.free.fr/ P'tit Louis From yves_p at nnx.com Sat Sep 23 18:03:18 2006 From: yves_p at nnx.com (Yves Potin) Date: Sat Sep 23 18:03:28 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] bristol problem In-Reply-To: <4515A6F1.5060805@gmail.com> References: <4515A6F1.5060805@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20060923220318.GU2721@localhost> Le 23 Sep ? 23:28, Atte Andr? Jensen ecrivait: > atte@ajstrup:~/software/bristol/bristol-0.9.5/src$ ./startBristol -jack [...] > Any ideas? This is under debian/unstable... What happens if you launch the script in the bin directory instead of src ? Normally you'll find it there after compilation. Y. From atte.jensen at gmail.com Sun Sep 24 03:45:38 2006 From: atte.jensen at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Atte_Andr=E9_Jensen?=) Date: Sun Sep 24 03:48:13 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] bristol problem In-Reply-To: <20060923220318.GU2721@localhost> References: <4515A6F1.5060805@gmail.com> <20060923220318.GU2721@localhost> Message-ID: <451637A2.6060508@gmail.com> Yves Potin wrote: > What happens if you launch the script in the bin directory instead > of src ? Normally you'll find it there after compilation. That works. Very strange (although there probably is a perfectly sane technical explanation, that most users wouldn't want to know about). Thanks. I'll dig in :-) -- peace, love & harmony Atte http://www.atte.dk | quartet: http://www.anagrammer.dk | compositions: http://www.atte.dk/compositions From folderol at ukfsn.org Sun Sep 24 06:44:32 2006 From: folderol at ukfsn.org (Folderol) Date: Sun Sep 24 06:44:01 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] It seemed like a good idea at the time - the music! In-Reply-To: <20060922212702.66132779@localhost> References: <20060922212702.66132779@localhost> Message-ID: <20060924114432.16e960c8@localhost> On Fri, 22 Sep 2006 21:27:02 +0100 Folderol wrote: > Not sure what I'll do with it now. As I said, it seemed a good idea at > the time. > > Hmmm, that could be the title for a new tune :) Well at the time I wrote that I was fiddling about with my synth, and, well, these notes just sort of stuck themselves together. Here is the result. I might do some more tidying up, but maybe not. It isn't in my main updates list yet either, as I haven't decided just what category it fits best. http://www.folderol.ukfsn.org/music/Seems_A_Good_Idea.ogg http://www.folderol.ukfsn.org/music/Seems_A_Good_Idea.mp3 Enjoy. -- Will J G From sstubbs at shout.net Sun Sep 24 07:34:25 2006 From: sstubbs at shout.net (The Other) Date: Sun Sep 24 07:26:28 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Distros these days? What a mess! In-Reply-To: <1159038365.4515859d420fd@webmail.telus.net> References: <1158949500.45142a7c43871@webmail.telus.net> <1159025682.1097.148.camel@mindpipe> <1159038365.4515859d420fd@webmail.telus.net> Message-ID: <200609240634.25175.sstubbs@shout.net> On Saturday 23 September 2006 2:06 pm, iainduncan@telus.net wrote: > Can anyone tell if sharing the home partition and swap partition is > a good plan? I'm thinking seperate boots, seperate /s, and shared > swap and home. Hello Iain, I've been sharing the swap partition between 2 or more Linux distros for over 2 years now without problems. But I've never tried sharing the home partition. I would think that if you installed xyz application from 1 distro, then installed xyz application with perhaps a different version number in the 2nd distro, the .xyz directory in /home might get altered from the 2nd install and cause problems when you returned to the 1st distro and ran xyz application. If you have the courage to try sharing /home partitions, let me know how it works for you. I might give it a try. Best Regards, Stephen. From folderol at ukfsn.org Sun Sep 24 07:37:10 2006 From: folderol at ukfsn.org (Folderol) Date: Sun Sep 24 07:36:41 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Distros these days? What a mess! In-Reply-To: <200609240634.25175.sstubbs@shout.net> References: <1158949500.45142a7c43871@webmail.telus.net> <1159025682.1097.148.camel@mindpipe> <1159038365.4515859d420fd@webmail.telus.net> <200609240634.25175.sstubbs@shout.net> Message-ID: <20060924123710.7382eb4f@localhost> On Sun, 24 Sep 2006 06:34:25 -0500 The Other wrote: > On Saturday 23 September 2006 2:06 pm, iainduncan@telus.net wrote: > > Can anyone tell if sharing the home partition and swap partition is > > a good plan? I'm thinking seperate boots, seperate /s, and shared > > swap and home. > > Hello Iain, > I've been sharing the swap partition between 2 or more Linux distros > for over 2 years now without problems. > > But I've never tried sharing the home partition. > > I would think that if you installed xyz application from 1 distro, > then installed xyz application with perhaps a different version > number in the 2nd distro, the .xyz directory in /home might get > altered from the 2nd install and cause problems when you returned to > the 1st distro and ran xyz application. > > If you have the courage to try sharing /home partitions, let me know > how it works for you. I might give it a try. > > Best Regards, > Stephen. I've been sharing the home partition between different Mdk distros for years, and more recently between Mdk and Debian. I set up different *users* for each distro but with a common share directory (with public r/w permission) for documents, photos music etc. That way distro specific stuff doesn't get mixed up. Sometimes there is a slight issue with write permissions, but a quick chmod sorts that out - otherwise I've had no problems. -- Will J G From klaus.kosten at gmx.de Sun Sep 24 07:45:49 2006 From: klaus.kosten at gmx.de (Klaus Kosten) Date: Sun Sep 24 07:45:15 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Distros these days? What a mess! In-Reply-To: <200609240634.25175.sstubbs@shout.net> References: <1158949500.45142a7c43871@webmail.telus.net> <1159025682.1097.148.camel@mindpipe> <1159038365.4515859d420fd@webmail.telus.net> <200609240634.25175.sstubbs@shout.net> Message-ID: <45166FED.7070705@gmx.de> The Other schrieb: > On Saturday 23 September 2006 2:06 pm, iainduncan@telus.net wrote: > >>Can anyone tell if sharing the home partition and swap partition is >>a good plan? I'm thinking seperate boots, seperate /s, and shared >>swap and home. > > > If you have the courage to try sharing /home partitions, let me know > how it works for you. I might give it a try. > Due to the problems with those distributions, I usually have 3 or 4 different systems on my machine. They all share one swap-partition, but the /home partitions are separated. These contain only the dotted directories and files, however, and links to directories on a separate data partition, where all my user files reside. That way I avoid problems with the applications and have my data at hand in every system. Regards, Klaus -- From bubar at numericable.fr Sun Sep 24 09:25:38 2006 From: bubar at numericable.fr (bubar) Date: Sun Sep 24 09:23:36 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Distros these days? What a mess! Message-ID: <200609241525.38848.bubar@numericable.fr> little and very short Linux Audio User paper : http://club.mandriva.com/xwiki/bin/view/bubar/SoundsIn20070 (Mandriva-Linux is a little and completly independant distribution. All works from it are GPL license only, professionnal solution like Pulse too. Mandriva have a really 100% gpl version of distribution -not bloody blob closed into kernel-packages... And have "commercial" version, to support developpement, where it is simple to kick-out any blob...because apart packages ;) ) Independant but ever respect "alaletter" RedHat upstream choice. Mandriva integrate contributors works directly, not apart distro. If you are contributor, it is very simple to have svn access and society cluster'build full access. Club forum and documentation are provided free from charge. From nickycopeland at hotmail.com Sun Sep 24 09:42:51 2006 From: nickycopeland at hotmail.com (Nick Copeland) Date: Sun Sep 24 09:43:02 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] ANN: bristol 0.9.5-60 In-Reply-To: <4512CD3E.5010700@arcor.de> Message-ID: Was this from the 'build' script in the 'src' directory or from a make in the engine directory? You can use the makefile directly, but the wrapper in the src directory will build all the dependent libraries first. This is still strange output though, the unresolved calls should be for sourcecode resident in this directory. Regards, Nick. >From: Frieder Bürzele >Reply-To: A list for linux audio users > >To: A list for linux audio users >Subject: Re: [linux-audio-user] ANN: bristol 0.9.5-60 >Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2006 19:34:54 +0200 > >Frieder Bürzele wrote: >>I get this >> >> >>cc -g -fPIC -D_BRISTOL_JACK -I../include -I. -I/usr/local/include >>-I/usr/include/jack bristoljack.o bristolmixer.o bristolprophet52.o >>bristolobx.o bristolpoly.o bristolvox.o vox.o sdco.o sdcoutils.o >>bristolsampler.o vibrachorus.o thesermon.o bristolexplorer.o filter2.o >>lfo.o bristoldx.o hpf.o junodco.o bristoljuno.o dimensionD.o expdco.o >>bristolsystem.o bristolhammond.o bristolprophet.o prophetdco.o filter.o >>noise.o hammond.o audioEngine.o resonator.o dxop.o midihandlers.o >>bristolmm.o midinote.o envelope.o dca.o rotary.o bristolmain.o dco.o >>midithread.o audiothread.o soundManager.o -o bristol -L/usr/lib >>-L/usr/local/lib -L../../slab/libslabaudio -L../libbristol >>-L../libbristolmidi -L../libbristol -L/usr/lib/jack -Xlinker -Bdynamic -lc >>-lm -lpthread -lasound -lbristol -lbristolmidi -lslabaudio -ljack >>audiothread.o:(.data.rel+0x4c): undefined reference to `arpdcoinit' >>audiothread.o:(.data.rel+0x50): undefined reference to `ringmodinit' >>audiothread.o:(.data.rel+0x54): undefined reference to `eswitchinit' >>audiothread.o:(.data.rel+0x58): undefined reference to `reverbinit' >>audiothread.o:(.data.rel+0x5c): undefined reference to `followerinit' >>audiothread.o:(.data.rel+0xcc): undefined reference to `bristolPoly6Init' >>audiothread.o:(.data.rel+0xd0): undefined reference to `bristolAxxeInit' >>audiothread.o:(.data.rel+0xd4): undefined reference to >>`bristolOdysseyInit' >>audiothread.o:(.data.rel+0xd8): undefined reference to >>`bristolMemoryMoogInit' >>audiothread.o:(.data.rel+0xdc): undefined reference to >>`bristolArp2600Init' >>collect2: ld returned 1 exit status >>make[1]: *** [bristol] Error 1 >>make[1]: Leaving directory >>`/var/tmp/portage/bristol-0.9.5.60/work/bristol-0.9.5/src/bristol/bristol' >> >>make: *** [all] Error 2 >> >> >>Greetz >> Frieder >sorry for the noise it was my fault _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ From nickycopeland at hotmail.com Sun Sep 24 09:54:33 2006 From: nickycopeland at hotmail.com (Nick Copeland) Date: Sun Sep 24 09:54:44 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: ANN: bristol 0.9.5-60 In-Reply-To: <200609211542.32874.d_baron@012.net.il> Message-ID: >1. This new version seems to always load two instances of the requested >synth: Hm. I have never seen this. What is the output from 'which startBristol'? >2. After the sounds of the previous one are still active. Multiitimbral. How did you close the synth window? If you do it with ^C, or destroy the window then I do not always have a change to remove the synth from the engine. It then lingers on the same midi channel. This was half intentional, to allow for multitimbral support, but killing the GUI from the window titlebar should result in a graceful remove of the emulation as well as the GUI. >3. Jack did not work. There are a few other complaints of this one, am looking into it. >4. Some of the synths get no sound. Ah, that may have been me. Some of the default synth memories have volume set to zero - I needed to use them to test the ARP 2600 which has no keyboard. The up/down memory keys should load the first available one. I will fix this in the next upload, it may also be an issue with a late enhancement: the -load will allow you to set the first memory location. Default value is 'zero', but some of the synths do not have a memory number zero since they take 'bank' numbers that start from '1'. > >MIDI works fine but one must specify the -mididev if this is not the first >alsa/oss device. Mine being the second one, I have to give it /dev/midi1 in >a >OSS mode and hw129:0 in ALSA. I assume there is a way of (setting up for) >using device names instead of this stuff. _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ From nickycopeland at hotmail.com Sun Sep 24 10:09:56 2006 From: nickycopeland at hotmail.com (Nick Copeland) Date: Sun Sep 24 10:10:12 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] bristol problem In-Reply-To: <451637A2.6060508@gmail.com> Message-ID: Thanks Yves, In the next distribution I will remove the permissions from the script in the source directory, or give another name, to prevent this from happening. Nick. >From: Atte André Jensen >Reply-To: A list for linux audio users > >To: A list for linux audio users >Subject: Re: [linux-audio-user] bristol problem >Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2006 09:45:38 +0200 > >Yves Potin wrote: > >> What happens if you launch the script in the bin directory >>instead >>of src ? Normally you'll find it there after compilation. > >That works. Very strange (although there probably is a perfectly sane >technical explanation, that most users wouldn't want to know about). > >Thanks. I'll dig in :-) > >-- >peace, love & harmony >Atte > >http://www.atte.dk | quartet: http://www.anagrammer.dk > | compositions: http://www.atte.dk/compositions _________________________________________________________________ FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar - get it now! http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ From lanas at securenet.net Sun Sep 24 11:20:23 2006 From: lanas at securenet.net (lanas) Date: Sun Sep 24 11:19:55 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Distros these days? What a mess! In-Reply-To: <1159044075.15665.16.camel@cmn3.stanford.edu> References: <1158949500.45142a7c43871@webmail.telus.net> <45151A4C.3040007@apo33.org> <1159044075.15665.16.camel@cmn3.stanford.edu> Message-ID: <20060924112023.31701de7@mistral.stie> On Sat, 23 Sep 2006 13:41:15 -0700 Fernando Lopez-Lezcano ?crivait: > It will come eventually, the reason is simple, lack of time. You don't > know how much work all of this is until you try :-) I do have a "one > dvd install" for fc4 but fc4 is already old... Fernando, Are there any plans to make a 64-bit version of (most of) CCRMA ? Cheers, Al From atte.jensen at gmail.com Sun Sep 24 13:31:50 2006 From: atte.jensen at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Atte_Andr=E9_Jensen?=) Date: Sun Sep 24 13:34:50 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] bristol problem In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4516C106.3080105@gmail.com> Nick Copeland wrote: > In the next distribution I will remove the permissions from the script > in the source directory, or give another name, to prevent this from > happening. That sounds like a nice fix... -- peace, love & harmony Atte http://www.atte.dk | quartet: http://www.anagrammer.dk | compositions: http://www.atte.dk/compositions From mista.tapas at gmx.net Sun Sep 24 14:36:29 2006 From: mista.tapas at gmx.net (Florian Schmidt) Date: Sun Sep 24 14:36:35 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [ANN]: Kontroll updated Message-ID: <200609242036.29613.mista.tapas@gmx.net> Hi, this is a small announcement for a minor update for a minor piece of software, and at the same time a question :) So here it goes: Kontroll is a small utility that generates midi cc messages from the mouse position. It is inspired by the MouseX and MouseY UGens in Supercollider. It simply creates an alsa sequencer port which you can then connect with your favourite patchbay. The mouse position is independent of window focus and is relative to the screen origin at the upper left. - Another small update to kontroll. Now the controller and channel numbering range from 1-128 and 1-16 as commonly seen in other midi applications and hardware. previously it as 0-127 and 0-15 which was probably confusing to non computer people. - A minor update to this little program of mine called ?Kontroll?. On shutdown it saves the last used parameters to a file called ~/.kontroll and on startup reads it again. This saves setting it up all over again on each start of the program. You can also save special setups via the ?File? menu. Grab it here: http://tapas.affenbande.org/?page_id=42 Or directly: http://affenbande.org/~tapas/kontroll.tgz And here's the question: A user suggested (and i'd like this idea very much) that kontroll be able to make use of other input devices attached to the computer (additional mice, joysticks, etc). Now i would like to avoid playing with /dev/input directly, cause i imagine it to be a drag. So does anyone of you guys know a small and easy to use input-library that makes accessing these devices a breeze? If so, please let me know. Regards, Flo P.S.: Ah, LASH support is still missing. Will add it right away (or at least try) ;) -- Palimm Palimm! http://tapas.affenbande.org From mista.tapas at gmx.net Sun Sep 24 16:26:31 2006 From: mista.tapas at gmx.net (Florian Schmidt) Date: Sun Sep 24 16:26:37 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [ANN]: Kontroll updated In-Reply-To: <200609242036.29613.mista.tapas@gmx.net> References: <200609242036.29613.mista.tapas@gmx.net> Message-ID: <200609242226.31458.mista.tapas@gmx.net> On Sunday 24 September 2006 20:36, Florian Schmidt wrote: > P.S.: Ah, LASH support is still missing. Will add it right away (or at > least try) ;) done. have fun. Flo -- Palimm Palimm! http://tapas.affenbande.org From mista.tapas at gmx.net Sun Sep 24 18:57:59 2006 From: mista.tapas at gmx.net (Florian Schmidt) Date: Sun Sep 24 18:58:17 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-dev] Re: [linux-audio-user] [ANN]: Kontroll updated In-Reply-To: <200609242226.31458.mista.tapas@gmx.net> References: <200609242036.29613.mista.tapas@gmx.net> <200609242226.31458.mista.tapas@gmx.net> Message-ID: <200609250057.59689.mista.tapas@gmx.net> On Sunday 24 September 2006 22:26, Florian Schmidt wrote: > On Sunday 24 September 2006 20:36, Florian Schmidt wrote: > > P.S.: Ah, LASH support is still missing. Will add it right away (or at > > least try) ;) > > done. have fun. Ok and since i was bored, i also added OSC message sending support (single float messages. you can specify the range). http://tapas.affenbande.org/?page_id=42 Have fun :) Flo -- Palimm Palimm! http://tapas.affenbande.org From steiner at block4.com Sun Sep 24 19:36:04 2006 From: steiner at block4.com (Malte Steiner) Date: Sun Sep 24 19:36:26 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] ANN: bristol 0.9.5-60 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <45171664.9060600@block4.com> Hello, thanks for the new version, have to check out. > The net output of the synth is reminiscent of the sounds from the BBC > Radiophonic Workshop's greatest ever hit - the theme tune to 'Dr Who'. > If you don't know what that is don't worry, it's perhaps a bit obscure. > The original was composed on the elder brother of this synth - the ARP > 2500 of which the BBC had a few, so the results came as a pleasant > surprise. > ? The theme was produced around 1963 before the ARP was available, it was realized by the incredible Delia Derbyshire with the help of some oscillators, filters and in the first place, tape splicing techniques. Maybe later renditions are created with an ARP but more likly on a Synthi 100 (the model at BBC was dubbed Delaware) which is actually a modular synth. Check out http://www.delia-derbyshire.org/ EMS Synthis with patch cords are the Synthi Logic and Synthi E http://www.emsrehberg.de/SYNTHI__s/synthi__s.html but I guess most of the wirednes of the Synthis came from the patchmatrix which might introduce lot of crosstalk. When you simulate the MS20 filter I think you are rather close to the EMS one. In a simular league the WASP might be too.. Cheers, Malte -- Malte Steiner media art + development -www.block4.com- next events: elektronengehirn exhibition, lecture + concert @ Piksel 2006, Bergen, Norway 12.-15. october more at blog 4, also available as rss feed: http://java.block4.com/blog4/ From nando at ccrma.Stanford.EDU Sun Sep 24 21:17:49 2006 From: nando at ccrma.Stanford.EDU (Fernando Lopez-Lezcano) Date: Sun Sep 24 21:17:57 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Distros these days? What a mess! In-Reply-To: <20060924112023.31701de7@mistral.stie> References: <1158949500.45142a7c43871@webmail.telus.net> <45151A4C.3040007@apo33.org> <1159044075.15665.16.camel@cmn3.stanford.edu> <20060924112023.31701de7@mistral.stie> Message-ID: <1159147069.4186.0.camel@cmn3.stanford.edu> On Sun, 2006-09-24 at 11:20 -0400, lanas wrote: > On Sat, 23 Sep 2006 13:41:15 -0700 > Fernando Lopez-Lezcano ?crivait: > > > It will come eventually, the reason is simple, lack of time. You don't > > know how much work all of this is until you try :-) I do have a "one > > dvd install" for fc4 but fc4 is already old... > > Fernando, > > Are there any plans to make a 64-bit version of (most of) CCRMA ? It is a recurring question I get... :-) Yes, plans of course, time to actually do it, no so easy to find. -- Fernando From jordan at jdnash.org Sun Sep 24 23:15:15 2006 From: jordan at jdnash.org (Jordan) Date: Sun Sep 24 23:15:19 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] M-Audio Uno? In-Reply-To: <4516C106.3080105@gmail.com> References: <4516C106.3080105@gmail.com> Message-ID: <451749C3.4000601@jdnash.org> I'm thinking about starting to play around with MIDI some more, and I'm ready to actually hook up a keyboard. To do this, of course, I need a MIDI interface. I was thinking about using the M-Audio UNO, a USB MIDI interface that is lower in cost than most of them, but is a bit more expensive than, for example, a joystick-port cable. Is anyone on this list successfully using this device with Linux or do I need to look at a different one? Thanks, Jordan From zettberlin at linuxuse.de Mon Sep 25 04:06:57 2006 From: zettberlin at linuxuse.de (Hartmut Noack) Date: Mon Sep 25 04:07:07 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] M-Audio Uno? In-Reply-To: <451749C3.4000601@jdnash.org> References: <4516C106.3080105@gmail.com> <451749C3.4000601@jdnash.org> Message-ID: <45178E21.3020909@linuxuse.de> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Jordan schrieb: > I'm thinking about starting to play around with MIDI some more, and I'm > ready to actually hook up a keyboard. To do this, of course, I need a > MIDI interface. It depends - I got a USB-Keyboard (Behringer UMX25) that uses the alsa-midi-interface with no Problems at all. If I want to play Hardwaresoundmodules I can attache them to the Standard-MIDI-jack of the keyboard. Furthermore: regular Joystickinterfaces can be used as MIDI-jack using a simple adaptercable. Best regards Z -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.3 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFFF44g1Aecwva1SWMRApJnAJ4h2KoIvFu0LsYgcV701z6ZGTkh8wCfVF2O y2Y0lyADFGPHYPeHenw7aRo= =5+pV -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From drucer99 at yahoo.com Mon Sep 25 06:46:49 2006 From: drucer99 at yahoo.com (Drucer Ninetynine) Date: Mon Sep 25 06:46:57 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Solved: flash movie buffering problems In-Reply-To: <1159038025.1097.176.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <20060925104650.43254.qmail@web52215.mail.yahoo.com> --- Lee Revell wrote: > I'll try it but the mplayer plugin doesn't work > reliably for me either. > About 75% of the time it buffers then just sits > there with a grey box > and never plays. Occasionally it works if I hit > "play" but most of the > time I have to resort to right clicking and "copy > URL", then run > "gmplayer $URL" in a terminal which works *every > time*. It looks like you're lacking some MPlayer codecs. Care to share one URL that does not work with it? I have near 100% success with MPlayer plug-in. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From d_baron at 012.net.il Mon Sep 25 06:47:57 2006 From: d_baron at 012.net.il (David Baron) Date: Mon Sep 25 06:48:37 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: ANN: bristol 0.9.5-60 In-Reply-To: <20060924225830.CE45931BC565@music.columbia.edu> References: <20060924225830.CE45931BC565@music.columbia.edu> Message-ID: <200609251347.57573.d_baron@012.net.il> On Monday 25 September 2006 01:58, linux-audio-user-request@music.columbia.edu wrote: > >1. This new version seems to always load two instances of the requested > >synth: > > Hm. I have never seen this. What is the output from 'which startBristol'? > I was doing startBristol locally ./startBristol. The previous version is on /usr/local/bin. > >2. After the sounds of the previous one are still active. > > Multiitimbral. How did you close the synth window? If you do it with ^C, or > destroy the window then ?I do not always have a change to remove the synth > from the engine. It then lingers on the same midi channel. This was half > intentional, to allow for multitimbral support, but killing the GUI from > the window titlebar should result in a graceful remove of the emulation as > well as the GUI. I will retry this. I believe I clicked the title-bar [x] to close them. GUI disappeared, sounds did not. > >4. Some of the synths get no sound. > > Ah, that may have been me. Some of the default synth memories have volume > set to zero - I needed to use them to test the ARP 2600 which has no > keyboard. The up/down memory keys should load the first available one. I > will fix this in the next upload, it may also be an issue with a late > enhancement: the -load will allow you to set the first > memory location. Default value is 'zero', but some of the synths do not > have a memory number zero since they take 'bank' numbers that start from > '1'. I noticed this as well. Maybe I just could not figure out how to work them. I needed to set the volume on those that did work. Setting a patch go another to work. Others, no success but that might be me. Never used the real ones. From jri at broadpark.no Mon Sep 25 06:57:32 2006 From: jri at broadpark.no (Johannes Mario Ringheim) Date: Mon Sep 25 06:58:22 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Waveform to image file..? Message-ID: <4517B61C.2050504@broadpark.no> I've got an interesting question from an English teacher here in Norway. He's wondering if his students could upload wavefiles to a server, and get back an image of the wavefile in a webpage. They want to compare the waveforms of different sounds in the English language. So what I'm thinking is that if some commandline soundapp could feed the waveform to ImageMagick, or something like that, and then the user could request the image through a webpage. Any thoughts on that approach? Is there other ways of achieving this with free software? Thanks for any thoughts. I've got ssh-access to a Debian server on wich I can install and run apps, and it's got a LAMP stack I can use. -- Ringheims Auto - Fri musikk for bilstereo! http://ringheimsauto.org From dlphillips at woh.rr.com Mon Sep 25 07:26:46 2006 From: dlphillips at woh.rr.com (Dave Phillips) Date: Mon Sep 25 07:04:11 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] WINE and ASIO Message-ID: <4517BCF6.8010007@woh.rr.com> Greetings: Recently I tested Robert Reif's ASIO driver for WINE. It works okay for some small test apps (asiosiggen and asiodump). I also tested it with NI's FM7, the app opens fine but I got no sound from it. I even loaded and played a MIDI file as a demo but still got no joy from the audio. I'm curious to try other ASIO-driven apps but I need some recommendations for light-to-middle weight programs for testing. Free/shareware is best, but feel free to suggest commercial apps too. I don't use Win/Mac music apps and I have no idea where to start. Best, dp From steiner at block4.com Mon Sep 25 08:15:04 2006 From: steiner at block4.com (Malte Steiner) Date: Mon Sep 25 08:15:15 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: ANN: bristol 0.9.5-60 In-Reply-To: <1158718106.2915.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <20060918202703.98AA92F59C46@music.columbia.edu> <1158718106.2915.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <4517C848.5080307@block4.com> Hi, got bristol compiled and running with jack on ubuntu laptop. Had some fun with the new ARP 2600 although the gui is a but sluggish while changing patches from the memorys. I wounder if there supposed to be an installation routine like ./build install or something. Couldn't find one and ended up copying the required libs to the right places manually. Cheers, Malte -- Malte Steiner media art + development -www.block4.com- next events: elektronengehirn exhibition, lecture + concert @ Piksel 2006, Bergen, Norway 12.-15. october more at blog 4, also available as rss feed: http://java.block4.com/blog4/ From dubphil at free.fr Mon Sep 25 08:17:57 2006 From: dubphil at free.fr (Dubphil) Date: Mon Sep 25 08:18:05 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Waveform to image file..? In-Reply-To: <4517B61C.2050504@broadpark.no> References: <4517B61C.2050504@broadpark.no> Message-ID: <3042.80.124.137.204.1159186677.squirrel@webmail.migratis.net> > Any thoughts on that approach? Is there other ways of achieving this > with free software? You can use sndan from James Beauchamp which provides an eps file that you can easily convert it to a natural web image format with Imagemagick. If you can't find the sources, tell me I will give you the one I use for my website. Regards Philippe From cladisch at fastmail.net Mon Sep 25 08:21:58 2006 From: cladisch at fastmail.net (Clemens Ladisch) Date: Mon Sep 25 08:22:20 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] M-Audio Uno? In-Reply-To: <451749C3.4000601@jdnash.org> References: <4516C106.3080105@gmail.com> <451749C3.4000601@jdnash.org> Message-ID: <1159186918.25152.271748903@webmail.messagingengine.com> Jordan wrote: > I was thinking about using the M-Audio UNO, a USB MIDI interface that is > lower in cost than most of them, but is a bit more expensive than, for > example, a joystick-port cable. If you have a sound card or mainboard with a gameport, a gameport/MIDI adapter cable will be cheaper. > Is anyone on this list successfully using this device with Linux or do I > need to look at a different one? For the Uno, you may need to install the firmware load package from . Linux supports any USB MIDI interface that is standard compliant. You can detect such devices by the fact that they don't need a separate driver for OS X or Windows XP. Have a look at . HTH Clemens From mestelan at gmail.com Mon Sep 25 08:52:28 2006 From: mestelan at gmail.com (Jean-Baptiste Mestelan) Date: Mon Sep 25 08:53:00 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] WINE and ASIO In-Reply-To: <4517BCF6.8010007@woh.rr.com> References: <4517BCF6.8010007@woh.rr.com> Message-ID: Okay, I'll submit a non-free, non open-source Window host :-o - FL Studio You can download a trial version from http://www.flstudio.com/ I am not sure if this is middle-sized : in one sense it is a complete software studio. However, as this software is widely popular, it might be interesting to test it ? Regards. PS :The program installation went all right on my (Gentoo + Wine ) box, but it crashes at runtime. I've not succeeded in installing the ASIO-wine driver here, rather sadly... On 9/25/06, Dave Phillips wrote: > Greetings: > > Recently I tested Robert Reif's ASIO driver for WINE. It works okay for > some small test apps (asiosiggen and asiodump). I also tested it with > NI's FM7, the app opens fine but I got no sound from it. I even loaded > and played a MIDI file as a demo but still got no joy from the audio. > > I'm curious to try other ASIO-driven apps but I need some > recommendations for light-to-middle weight programs for testing. > Free/shareware is best, but feel free to suggest commercial apps too. I > don't use Win/Mac music apps and I have no idea where to start. > > Best, > > dp > > t From nickycopeland at hotmail.com Mon Sep 25 09:21:33 2006 From: nickycopeland at hotmail.com (Nick Copeland) Date: Mon Sep 25 09:21:45 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: ANN: bristol 0.9.5-60 In-Reply-To: <4517C848.5080307@block4.com> Message-ID: There is no 'install' capability. I could put one in, its just that I don't like attempting to tweak other peoples computers so had the startBristol script look for its libraries, binaries and bitmaps in its own subdirectories. The main issue is with the bitmaps and memories, they don't really have a 'correct' location. Yes, the patch transparencies are a bit of a performance hog, that is really noticable with the memories as to maintain this layer each patch has to be independently removed. This is not really necessary for memories, I still intend to implement a 'clear all' option that is actually implemented in the engine (it was needed to ensure that bristol and brighton were in agreement on the patches. Optimising all the color management and bitmap rendering code is on my wishlist which will improve that also. At the moment it has absolutely no optimisation and yes, that is now noticable. Since the transparency layer is also going to be used for other features I will work on some changes. >From: Malte Steiner >Reply-To: steiner@block4.com,A list for linux audio users > >To: A list for linux audio users >Subject: Re: [linux-audio-user] Re: ANN: bristol 0.9.5-60 >Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2006 14:15:04 +0200 > >Hi, > >got bristol compiled and running with jack on ubuntu laptop. Had some fun >with the new ARP 2600 although the gui is a but sluggish while changing >patches from the memorys. > >I wounder if there supposed to be an installation routine like > >./build install > >or something. Couldn't find one and ended up copying the required libs to >the right places manually. > >Cheers, > >Malte > >-- >Malte Steiner >media art + development >-www.block4.com- > >next events: >elektronengehirn exhibition, lecture + concert @ Piksel 2006, Bergen, >Norway 12.-15. october > >more at blog 4, also available as rss feed: >http://java.block4.com/blog4/ _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ From steiner at block4.com Mon Sep 25 09:39:24 2006 From: steiner at block4.com (Malte Steiner) Date: Mon Sep 25 09:39:46 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: ANN: bristol 0.9.5-60 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4517DC0C.7060002@block4.com> Hi, > no optimisation and yes, that is now noticable. Since the transparency > layer is also going to be used for other features I will work on some > changes. just a suggestion: i didn't looked into the sources so what do you use for GUI painting? How about using OpenGL? It should run hardware accellerated on recent machines and comes with transparency, image rotation (read: knobs!), colorization and sizing included. Cheers, Malte -- Malte Steiner media art + development -www.block4.com- next events: elektronengehirn exhibition, lecture + concert @ Piksel 2006, Bergen, Norway 12.-15. october more at blog 4, also available as rss feed: http://java.block4.com/blog4/ From rlrevell at joe-job.com Mon Sep 25 10:04:26 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Mon Sep 25 10:04:14 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: ANN: bristol 0.9.5-60 In-Reply-To: <4517DC0C.7060002@block4.com> References: <4517DC0C.7060002@block4.com> Message-ID: <1159193066.2899.57.camel@mindpipe> On Mon, 2006-09-25 at 15:39 +0200, Malte Steiner wrote: > Hi, > > > no optimisation and yes, that is now noticable. Since the transparency > > layer is also going to be used for other features I will work on some > > changes. > > just a suggestion: > i didn't looked into the sources so what do you use for GUI painting? > How about using OpenGL? It should run hardware accellerated on recent > machines and comes with transparency, image rotation (read: knobs!), > colorization and sizing included. 3D hardware acceleration requires a proprietary driver on most machines. Please don't make it a requirement. Lee From rlrevell at joe-job.com Mon Sep 25 10:07:34 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Mon Sep 25 10:07:17 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Solved: flash movie buffering problems In-Reply-To: <20060925104650.43254.qmail@web52215.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20060925104650.43254.qmail@web52215.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1159193255.2899.62.camel@mindpipe> On Mon, 2006-09-25 at 03:46 -0700, Drucer Ninetynine wrote: > --- Lee Revell wrote: > > > I'll try it but the mplayer plugin doesn't work > > reliably for me either. > > About 75% of the time it buffers then just sits > > there with a grey box > > and never plays. Occasionally it works if I hit > > "play" but most of the > > time I have to resort to right clicking and "copy > > URL", then run > > "gmplayer $URL" in a terminal which works *every > > time*. > > > It looks like you're lacking some MPlayer codecs. Care > to share one URL that does not work with it? I have > near 100% success with MPlayer plug-in. Nope, it can't be missing codecs because I have 100% success with "gmplayer $URL" in a terminal. It's a buggy interaction between the browser and the plugin. Lee From pw_lists at slinkp.com Mon Sep 25 10:21:36 2006 From: pw_lists at slinkp.com (Paul Winkler) Date: Mon Sep 25 10:21:59 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Solved: flash movie buffering problems In-Reply-To: <1159193255.2899.62.camel@mindpipe> References: <20060925104650.43254.qmail@web52215.mail.yahoo.com> <1159193255.2899.62.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <20060925142136.GA16971@slinkp.com> On Mon, Sep 25, 2006 at 10:07:34AM -0400, Lee Revell wrote: > On Mon, 2006-09-25 at 03:46 -0700, Drucer Ninetynine wrote: > > --- Lee Revell wrote: > > > > > I'll try it but the mplayer plugin doesn't work > > > reliably for me either. > > > About 75% of the time it buffers then just sits > > > there with a grey box > > > and never plays. Occasionally it works if I hit > > > "play" but most of the > > > time I have to resort to right clicking and "copy > > > URL", then run > > > "gmplayer $URL" in a terminal which works *every > > > time*. > > > > > > It looks like you're lacking some MPlayer codecs. Care > > to share one URL that does not work with it? I have > > near 100% success with MPlayer plug-in. > > Nope, it can't be missing codecs because I have 100% success with > "gmplayer $URL" in a terminal. It's a buggy interaction between the > browser and the plugin. I've observed the same thing, FWIW. -- Paul Winkler http://www.slinkp.com From yves_p at nnx.com Mon Sep 25 10:53:21 2006 From: yves_p at nnx.com (Yves Potin) Date: Mon Sep 25 10:53:34 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: ANN: bristol 0.9.5-60 In-Reply-To: <1159193066.2899.57.camel@mindpipe> References: <4517DC0C.7060002@block4.com> <1159193066.2899.57.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <20060925145321.GV2721@localhost> Le 25 Sep ? 10:04, Lee Revell ecrivait: > 3D hardware acceleration requires a proprietary driver on most machines. > Please don't make it a requirement. I completely agree with that. Even if I run a free driver which permits me 3D hardware acceleration, I *voluntarily* doesn't use it because using the module makes my Radeon occupy the same IRQ than my RME. I would be *very* disappointed to see an audio software make use of 3D ressources. Y. From robertlazarski at gmail.com Mon Sep 25 10:59:56 2006 From: robertlazarski at gmail.com (robert lazarski) Date: Mon Sep 25 11:00:30 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] totally confused about my hard synth Message-ID: Hi all, What I've got: 1) Korg triton 2) Midisport 2x2 - installed and working 3) Suse linux 10.1 4) Rosegarden 1.4 5) Midi files I learn songs from What I want to do: Imagine a 16 channel live sound board . I want to take some of the channels from a midi file - from I change tempos, mute channels like I do with timidity - and mix those midi file channels with my triton to one Left / Right stereo output. Sometimes I just dump a midifile to ogg and loop it in audacity - and from there I'd like to mix audacity output to one Left / Right stereo output. Am I from mars or is this sane ? ;-) . Robert From nickycopeland at hotmail.com Mon Sep 25 11:05:40 2006 From: nickycopeland at hotmail.com (Nick Copeland) Date: Mon Sep 25 11:05:53 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: ANN: bristol 0.9.5-60 In-Reply-To: <1159193066.2899.57.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: I have considered OpenGL, but bristol currently only has dependencies on an audio library in the engine and Xlib for the GUI. I have previously written and maintained applications that had other dependencies and they are painful to manage - not just for development, but also for installation. There are so many audio tools out there, and many have their own different set of requirements, its actually quite a ludicrous situation. That is not too slight any of the applications, they are written for free, writing them has to be enjoyable for that reason, so it is reasonable that they use whatever toolkit feels right. For bristol, this toolkit was brighton, it was a lot of fun to build. I am also not convinced that 3D is where I want to go - I like the idea, but it keeps reminding me of starski and hutch style 'go faster stripes'. What I want to say is that the interface needs to be interesting and 3D would be, but this is still an audio application and 3D does not improve usability - probably one of the biggest requirements of bristol at the moment. Regards, Nick. >From: Lee Revell >Reply-To: A list for linux audio users > >To: steiner@block4.com,A list for linux audio users > >Subject: Re: [linux-audio-user] Re: ANN: bristol 0.9.5-60 >Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2006 10:04:26 -0400 > >On Mon, 2006-09-25 at 15:39 +0200, Malte Steiner wrote: > > Hi, > > > > > no optimisation and yes, that is now noticable. Since the transparency > > > layer is also going to be used for other features I will work on some > > > changes. > > > > just a suggestion: > > i didn't looked into the sources so what do you use for GUI painting? > > How about using OpenGL? It should run hardware accellerated on recent > > machines and comes with transparency, image rotation (read: knobs!), > > colorization and sizing included. > >3D hardware acceleration requires a proprietary driver on most machines. >Please don't make it a requirement. > >Lee > _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ From renueden at earthlink.net Mon Sep 25 11:11:08 2006 From: renueden at earthlink.net (Ken) Date: Mon Sep 25 11:11:17 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] WINE and ASIO In-Reply-To: <4517BCF6.8010007@woh.rr.com> References: <4517BCF6.8010007@woh.rr.com> Message-ID: <4517F18C.9090402@earthlink.net> Dave Phillips wrote: > Greetings: > > Recently I tested Robert Reif's ASIO driver for WINE. It works okay > for some small test apps (asiosiggen and asiodump). I also tested it > with NI's FM7, the app opens fine but I got no sound from it. I even > loaded and played a MIDI file as a demo but still got no joy from the > audio. > > I'm curious to try other ASIO-driven apps but I need some > recommendations for light-to-middle weight programs for testing. > Free/shareware is best, but feel free to suggest commercial apps too. > I don't use Win/Mac music apps and I have no idea where to start. > > Best, > > dp > > I've played alot with M$ music apps, and the best in my opinion were Reaktor and Kontakt2 sampler. Reaktor is what I wish Csound could become. The pre-built synths people have made were/are amazing. One thing that bothers me though, is why are Linux peeps playing with M$ apps instead of funneling that energy towards replacements in native Linux? I can no longer support commercial software and the bizness model for personal reasons, but I wish that Linux had a bit more to offer as far as music creation goes. Ken From lau at kudla.org Mon Sep 25 11:13:41 2006 From: lau at kudla.org (Rob) Date: Mon Sep 25 11:34:13 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Waveform to image file..? In-Reply-To: <4517B61C.2050504@broadpark.no> References: <4517B61C.2050504@broadpark.no> Message-ID: <200609251113.42217.lau@kudla.org> On Monday 25 September 2006 06:57, Johannes Mario Ringheim wrote: > So what I'm thinking is that if some commandline soundapp > could feed the waveform to ImageMagick, or something like > that, and then the user could request the image through a > webpage. Yeah, you'd need something to plot the points of the waveform (or some subset thereof) on a bitmap. I'd write a CGI script in perl to do that, myself, using either the ImageMagick or GD modules. It should be pretty easy as long as the audio's uncompressed.... if it's not, you could always shell out to sox. Rob From paul at linuxaudiosystems.com Mon Sep 25 11:38:00 2006 From: paul at linuxaudiosystems.com (Paul Davis) Date: Mon Sep 25 11:47:29 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] WINE and ASIO In-Reply-To: <4517F18C.9090402@earthlink.net> References: <4517BCF6.8010007@woh.rr.com> <4517F18C.9090402@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <1159198680.22323.24.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Mon, 2006-09-25 at 08:11 -0700, Ken wrote: > One thing that bothers me though, is why are Linux peeps playing with M$ > apps instead of funneling that energy towards replacements in native Linux? maybe because trying out some cool windows apps with the new WINE/ASIO support takes a few hours whereas writing replacements or improved inspirations from such apps takes a few years and requires a skillset that doesn't necessarily overlap with testing and analysis? From renueden at earthlink.net Mon Sep 25 11:57:52 2006 From: renueden at earthlink.net (Ken) Date: Mon Sep 25 11:58:11 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] WINE and ASIO In-Reply-To: <1159198680.22323.24.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <4517BCF6.8010007@woh.rr.com> <4517F18C.9090402@earthlink.net> <1159198680.22323.24.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <4517FC80.2080105@earthlink.net> Paul Davis wrote: > On Mon, 2006-09-25 at 08:11 -0700, Ken wrote: > >> One thing that bothers me though, is why are Linux peeps playing with M$ >> apps instead of funneling that energy towards replacements in native Linux? >> > > maybe because trying out some cool windows apps with the new WINE/ASIO > support takes a few hours whereas writing replacements or improved > inspirations from such apps takes a few years and requires a skillset > that doesn't necessarily overlap with testing and analysis? > > > > > > > > OK, thats true. But for me the temptation becomes overwhelming, with Ableton Live and cool plugins etc. Before I know it, I'm repartitioning my drive, then spending all my time in Win.....arggghh I *need* to learn software writing. Is it really years of effort to code something worthwhile??? K From lau at kudla.org Mon Sep 25 12:02:07 2006 From: lau at kudla.org (Rob) Date: Mon Sep 25 12:02:22 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] WINE and ASIO In-Reply-To: <1159198680.22323.24.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <4517BCF6.8010007@woh.rr.com> <4517F18C.9090402@earthlink.net> <1159198680.22323.24.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <200609251202.08309.lau@kudla.org> On Monday 25 September 2006 11:38, Paul Davis wrote: > On Mon, 2006-09-25 at 08:11 -0700, Ken wrote: > > One thing that bothers me though, is why are Linux peeps > > playing with M$ apps instead of funneling that energy > > towards replacements in native Linux? > maybe because trying out some cool windows apps with the new > WINE/ASIO support takes a few hours whereas writing > replacements or improved inspirations from such apps takes a > few years and requires a skillset that doesn't necessarily > overlap with testing and analysis? Yeah, that false dichotomy has always bugged me. Even if you limit it to developers ("why waste your time coding for Wine when you could be writing native Linux audio apps/games/whatever the poster thinks is lacking?"), implementing a foreign API is a totally different job that takes a totally different mindset than something like Bristol or LASH. Rob From steiner at block4.com Mon Sep 25 12:03:22 2006 From: steiner at block4.com (Malte Steiner) Date: Mon Sep 25 12:03:31 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: ANN: bristol 0.9.5-60 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4517FDCA.9020403@block4.com> opengl != 3d only you can use it for 2d stuff too and have the mentioned benefits. I see the problems which are mentioned here but I dont think gui should be done in the cpu while even onboard graphic chips have incredible potential. Of course its problematic with almost every manufacturer and their closed source drivers (the intels are not really open too, or?), its such a waste. I hope the open source graphic card project will have success. I wonder if the SDL lib has some benefits regarding compositing user interfaces on Linux... Cheers, Malte -- Malte Steiner media art + development -www.block4.com- next events: elektronengehirn exhibition, lecture + concert @ Piksel 2006, Bergen, Norway 12.-15. october more at blog 4, also available as rss feed: http://java.block4.com/blog4/ From gregwilder at gregwilder.com Mon Sep 25 12:11:00 2006 From: gregwilder at gregwilder.com (Greg Wilder) Date: Mon Sep 25 12:12:15 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] WINE and ASIO In-Reply-To: <4517F18C.9090402@earthlink.net> References: <4517BCF6.8010007@woh.rr.com> <4517F18C.9090402@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <200609251211.00875.gregwilder@gregwilder.com> > One thing that bothers me though, is why are Linux peeps playing with M$ > apps instead of funneling that energy towards replacements in native Linux? What a strange thing to say. The majority of the Linux audio software out there is capable of far more than offering simple feature replacements for commercial windows applications. Have you even looked into the options? (http://linux-sound.org/) G From drucer99 at yahoo.com Mon Sep 25 12:28:11 2006 From: drucer99 at yahoo.com (Drucer Ninetynine) Date: Mon Sep 25 12:28:17 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Solved: flash movie buffering problems In-Reply-To: <1159193255.2899.62.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <20060925162811.65096.qmail@web52210.mail.yahoo.com> --- Lee Revell wrote: > Nope, it can't be missing codecs because I have 100% > success with > "gmplayer $URL" in a terminal. It's a buggy > interaction between the > browser and the plugin. > You can probably find out what the problem is if you try "mplayer $URL" in terminal window. You should see the error message. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From k.s.matheussen at notam02.no Mon Sep 25 12:35:27 2006 From: k.s.matheussen at notam02.no (Kjetil Svalastog Matheussen) Date: Mon Sep 25 12:36:17 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: WINE and ASIO In-Reply-To: <20060925161216.C006C31EA329@music.columbia.edu> References: <20060925161216.C006C31EA329@music.columbia.edu> Message-ID: Ken: > > Dave Phillips wrote: > > Greetings: > > > > Recently I tested Robert Reif's ASIO driver for WINE. It works okay > > for some small test apps (asiosiggen and asiodump). I also tested it > > with NI's FM7, the app opens fine but I got no sound from it. I even > > loaded and played a MIDI file as a demo but still got no joy from the > > audio. > > > > I'm curious to try other ASIO-driven apps but I need some > > recommendations for light-to-middle weight programs for testing. > > Free/shareware is best, but feel free to suggest commercial apps too. > > I don't use Win/Mac music apps and I have no idea where to start. > > > > Best, > > > > dp > > > > > I've played alot with M$ music apps, and the best in my opinion were > Reaktor and Kontakt2 sampler. Reaktor is what I wish Csound could > become. The pre-built synths people have made were/are amazing. > > One thing that bothers me though, is why are Linux peeps playing with M$ > apps instead of funneling that energy towards replacements in native Linux? > > > I can no longer support commercial software and the bizness model for > personal reasons, but I wish that Linux had a bit more to offer as far > as music creation goes. > Thats just ridiculous. Please investigate a bit more before saying something like that. If what you wrote about Linux' lack of music cration and stuff above was correct, I would never have used Linux, but instead windows. I don't even know where to start arguing against what you say. If I start mentioning some softwares, like snd or pd, that are much better to windows alternatives or runs better in (and is developed primarily in) linux than windows/macosx, I would just forget a lot of programs and systems. From rlrevell at joe-job.com Mon Sep 25 12:48:06 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Mon Sep 25 12:47:53 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Solved: flash movie buffering problems In-Reply-To: <20060925162811.65096.qmail@web52210.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20060925162811.65096.qmail@web52210.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1159202886.2899.90.camel@mindpipe> On Mon, 2006-09-25 at 09:28 -0700, Drucer Ninetynine wrote: > --- Lee Revell wrote: > > > Nope, it can't be missing codecs because I have 100% > > success with > > "gmplayer $URL" in a terminal. It's a buggy > > interaction between the > > browser and the plugin. > > > > You can probably find out what the problem is if you > try "mplayer $URL" in terminal window. You should see > the error message. > Did you read my original post? The problem is that mplayer browser plugin does not work (I just get a grey box). "mplayer $URL" in a terminal window works perfectly every time. Ergo, the bug must be specific to the browser plugin. Lee From renueden at earthlink.net Mon Sep 25 12:54:10 2006 From: renueden at earthlink.net (Ken) Date: Mon Sep 25 12:54:18 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: WINE and ASIO In-Reply-To: References: <20060925161216.C006C31EA329@music.columbia.edu> Message-ID: <451809B2.3040001@earthlink.net> Kjetil Svalastog Matheussen wrote: > Ken: > >> Dave Phillips wrote: >> >>> Greetings: >>> >>> Recently I tested Robert Reif's ASIO driver for WINE. It works okay >>> for some small test apps (asiosiggen and asiodump). I also tested it >>> with NI's FM7, the app opens fine but I got no sound from it. I even >>> loaded and played a MIDI file as a demo but still got no joy from the >>> audio. >>> >>> I'm curious to try other ASIO-driven apps but I need some >>> recommendations for light-to-middle weight programs for testing. >>> Free/shareware is best, but feel free to suggest commercial apps too. >>> I don't use Win/Mac music apps and I have no idea where to start. >>> >>> Best, >>> >>> dp >>> >>> >>> >> I've played alot with M$ music apps, and the best in my opinion were >> Reaktor and Kontakt2 sampler. Reaktor is what I wish Csound could >> become. The pre-built synths people have made were/are amazing. >> >> One thing that bothers me though, is why are Linux peeps playing with M$ >> apps instead of funneling that energy towards replacements in native Linux? >> >> >> I can no longer support commercial software and the bizness model for >> personal reasons, but I wish that Linux had a bit more to offer as far >> as music creation goes. >> >> > > Thats just ridiculous. Please investigate a bit more before saying > something like that. If what you wrote about Linux' lack of music cration > and stuff above was correct, I would never have used Linux, but instead > windows. I don't even know where to start arguing against what you say. If > I start mentioning some softwares, like snd or pd, that are much better to > windows alternatives or runs better in (and is developed primarily in) > linux than windows/macosx, I would just forget a lot of programs and > systems. > > > ouch... i'll explain later when i have more time to write coherent thoughts. k From chris at mccormick.cx Mon Sep 25 12:52:37 2006 From: chris at mccormick.cx (Chris McCormick) Date: Mon Sep 25 12:59:37 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] WINE and ASIO In-Reply-To: <4517F18C.9090402@earthlink.net> References: <4517BCF6.8010007@woh.rr.com> <4517F18C.9090402@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <20060925165237.GA9125@mccormick.cx> On Mon, Sep 25, 2006 at 08:11:08AM -0700, Ken wrote: > I've played alot with M$ music apps, and the best in my opinion were > Reaktor and Kontakt2 sampler. Reaktor is what I wish Csound could > become. The pre-built synths people have made were/are amazing. Hi, Have you tried Puredata? It has many similar concepts to Reaktor; dataflow patching, you can build your own GUI instruments, etc. This is based on a very cursory play with Reaktor at a friend's place, so I could be wrong, but I think they're similar. Best, Chris. ------------------- chris@mccormick.cx http://mccormick.cx From jri at broadpark.no Mon Sep 25 13:06:36 2006 From: jri at broadpark.no (Johannes Mario Ringheim) Date: Mon Sep 25 13:06:48 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Waveform to image file..? In-Reply-To: <4517B61C.2050504@broadpark.no> References: <4517B61C.2050504@broadpark.no> Message-ID: <45180C9C.8070909@broadpark.no> Hmmm....seems I found a solution wich seems to work: http://www.entropy.at/forum.php?action=thread&t_id=15 Just accidentialy stumbled across it, and for some reasons I haven't found it in my previous googling. In case someone else's interested I uploaded the file to my server, since the file in the entropy-forum requires registration: http://ringheimsauto.org/ting/classAudiFile.zip Thanks for all suggestions, though, seems they led me to the answer somehow. -- Ringheims Auto - Fri musikk for bilstereo! http://ringheimsauto.org From brad at sonaural.com Mon Sep 25 13:12:09 2006 From: brad at sonaural.com (Brad Fuller) Date: Mon Sep 25 13:12:30 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] WINE and ASIO In-Reply-To: <20060925165237.GA9125@mccormick.cx> References: <4517BCF6.8010007@woh.rr.com> <4517F18C.9090402@earthlink.net> <20060925165237.GA9125@mccormick.cx> Message-ID: <45180DE9.8000908@sonaural.com> Chris McCormick wrote: > On Mon, Sep 25, 2006 at 08:11:08AM -0700, Ken wrote: > >> I've played alot with M$ music apps, and the best in my opinion were >> Reaktor and Kontakt2 sampler. Reaktor is what I wish Csound could >> become. The pre-built synths people have made were/are amazing. >> > > Hi, > > Have you tried Puredata? It has many similar concepts to Reaktor; dataflow > patching, you can build your own GUI instruments, etc. This is based on a > very cursory play with Reaktor at a friend's place, so I could be wrong, > but I think they're similar. > They are a little bit similar, but not the same. pd is more like Max than Reaktor. I like them both, and they are complementary. I use Kontakt as well, and I've found nothing as good as Kontakt in Linux-land. -- brad fuller sonaural: www.sonaural.com personal: www.bradfuller.com www.oreillynet.com/pub/au/2184 From jdboyd at jdboyd.net Mon Sep 25 13:02:12 2006 From: jdboyd at jdboyd.net (Joshua Boyd) Date: Mon Sep 25 13:17:23 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Realtime kernel does not boot In-Reply-To: <1158940400.1097.58.camel@mindpipe> References: <200609201752.55621.dominic.sacre@gmx.de> <200609212224.22687.dominic.sacre@gmx.de> <1158870832.31344.49.camel@mindpipe> <20060922152744.GB11127@jdboyd> <1158940400.1097.58.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <20060925170211.GA20820@jdboyd> On Fri, Sep 22, 2006 at 11:53:20AM -0400, Lee Revell wrote: > On Fri, 2006-09-22 at 11:27 -0400, Joshua Boyd wrote: > > Further, I had also patched the > > kernel with a non-official bigphysarea patch. > > > > What happens if you don't do that? No crashes so far. If I add the bigphysarea patch but don't run the video application, I also don't seem to get any crashes either. It isn't feasible to run the video application without bigphys area though. This is at work. I'm using a AJA Oem HS video card (like their Xena XS card for Windows) using driver's supplied by AJA, along with the source code. So, not as bad as ATI or Nvidia, but still not great. However, there is no similar product supported by any sort of open source drivers. -- Joshua D. Boyd jdboyd@jdboyd.net http://www.jdboyd.net/ http://www.joshuaboyd.org/ From kouhia at nic.funet.fi Mon Sep 25 13:27:26 2006 From: kouhia at nic.funet.fi (Juhana Sadeharju) Date: Mon Sep 25 13:27:36 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Linux-friendly portable music player? Message-ID: Hello. What would be an economical and Linux-friendly portable music player? Best would be if the player would be seen as a USB disk. That is: mount /mnt/player ; cp songs/* /mnt/player/ ; umount /mnt/player Such a player would work in Linux naturally. Also, in Windows, that way I could download music from the web without installing a downloading software/driver. And yes, I cannot install anything because I don't own the Windows computers here. Does, e.g., Creative, Philips, ipod players require a downloading software to be installed, and therefore they work only in personal Windows? I have heard that one may copy songs to their players via USB disk but the players refuses to play the songs! What about ogg format? All players sold by local shops seem to support only mp3 and wma. Juhana -- http://music.columbia.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-graphics-dev for developers of open source graphics software From tdhoward at gmail.com Mon Sep 25 13:28:37 2006 From: tdhoward at gmail.com (Tim Howard) Date: Mon Sep 25 13:29:42 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] WINE and ASIO In-Reply-To: <45180DE9.8000908@sonaural.com> References: <4517BCF6.8010007@woh.rr.com> <4517F18C.9090402@earthlink.net> <20060925165237.GA9125@mccormick.cx> <45180DE9.8000908@sonaural.com> Message-ID: On 9/25/06, Brad Fuller wrote: > Chris McCormick wrote: > > On Mon, Sep 25, 2006 at 08:11:08AM -0700, Ken wrote: > > > >> I've played alot with M$ music apps, and the best in my opinion were > >> Reaktor and Kontakt2 sampler. Reaktor is what I wish Csound could > >> become. The pre-built synths people have made were/are amazing. > >> > > > > Hi, > > > > Have you tried Puredata? It has many similar concepts to Reaktor; dataflow > > patching, you can build your own GUI instruments, etc. This is based on a > > very cursory play with Reaktor at a friend's place, so I could be wrong, > > but I think they're similar. > > > They are a little bit similar, but not the same. pd is more like Max > than Reaktor. > > I like them both, and they are complementary. > I use Kontakt as well, and I've found nothing as good as Kontakt in > Linux-land. > > -- That's one thing that really needs developing in Linux... Better sampling software. LinuxSampler is great for Gig, but other formats are sorely lacking. And there are so many possibilities with things like GigaPulse, which AFAIK, has no Linux replacement yet. -TimH From ce at christeck.de Mon Sep 25 13:36:07 2006 From: ce at christeck.de (Christoph Eckert) Date: Mon Sep 25 13:36:19 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Linux-friendly portable music player? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200609251936.08025.ce@christeck.de> > What about ogg format? All players sold by local shops seem to > support only mp3 and wma. I'm very pleased with my TrekStore iBeat organix. The one with the FM option even receives broadcasts. The device is USB 2.0 mass storage and plays ogg. It sounds great with the bundled Sennheiser phones, even on broadcasts and Jazz. The built in battery gets charged via USB and lasts up to 15 hours. Disadvantages: Recording is done to mp3 instead off ogg and it's not an el cheapo device. ce From jdboyd at jdboyd.net Mon Sep 25 13:25:36 2006 From: jdboyd at jdboyd.net (Joshua Boyd) Date: Mon Sep 25 13:40:44 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Solved: flash movie buffering problems In-Reply-To: <1159035728.1097.161.camel@mindpipe> References: <45138612.1050809@boosthardware.com> <4514F315.604@boosthardware.com> <1159024856.1097.133.camel@mindpipe> <200609231909.35750.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> <1159035728.1097.161.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <20060925172536.GB20820@jdboyd> On Sat, Sep 23, 2006 at 02:22:08PM -0400, Lee Revell wrote: > On Sat, 2006-09-23 at 19:09 +0100, tim hall wrote: > > .mpg is great for video. I agree that flash players for other media > > suck. However .mpg doesn't provide animated vector graphics with > > scriptable interactivity, unless I've missed something. > > Yes but who really cares about Flash games? YouTube is THE killer app > of the web right now and Linux users are locked out. I use a perl script called youtube-dl to grab video from youtube and then watch them in Mplayer. It is ugly, but on the upside, it doesn't require flash player, which I feel has a heavy destablizing effect. Plus, mplayer is better at supporting alsa or jack than flash player is. -- Joshua D. Boyd jdboyd@jdboyd.net http://www.jdboyd.net/ http://www.joshuaboyd.org/ From d_baron at 012.net.il Mon Sep 25 14:13:49 2006 From: d_baron at 012.net.il (David Baron) Date: Mon Sep 25 14:13:59 2006 Subject: Where to, linux audio ( was Re: [linux-audio-user] WINE and ASIO ) In-Reply-To: <20060925161216.C006C31EA329@music.columbia.edu> References: <20060925161216.C006C31EA329@music.columbia.edu> Message-ID: <200609252113.49217.d_baron@012.net.il> On Monday 25 September 2006 19:12, linux-audio-user-request@music.columbia.edu wrote: > > One thing that bothers me though, is why are Linux peeps playing with M$ > > apps instead of funneling that energy towards replacements in native > > Linux? > > What a strange thing to say. ?The majority of the Linux audio software out > there is capable of far more than offering simple feature replacements for > commercial windows applications. ?Have you even looked into the options? ? > (http://linux-sound.org/) Rosegarten is almost there. Ardour for all-audio work is very nice once one figures out its interface. Muse is fun is soft-synths are the objective. The new LMMS and others are moving along. One thing, though: Many of us started out in M$ or Macs. A lot of good work is in formats of Cakewalk, Steinberg, Protools, etc. The real move to Linux will require interoperability and this is simply not there. New projects, once I have equvilatent quality hardware with Alsa support ($), can be done quite fine in Linux. All else remains on the "other" partition. While wine-asio (I have also proposed a jack-assio [SIC] which would be native) will enable some apps to try to work with an emulation layer, do not expect realistic (that is real-time) operation. I have only one audio-app which cuts the grade under wine and that is the har-bal demo (no M# code, according to the author, maybe that's why). From mprims at skynet.be Mon Sep 25 14:22:24 2006 From: mprims at skynet.be (mik) Date: Mon Sep 25 14:22:43 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Linux-friendly portable music player? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <45181E60.6090402@skynet.be> the iriver h120. it's out of production but you can find it very easily on ebay. new, at half the original price (which, maybe, is still too much...). also good for recording. m Juhana Sadeharju schreef: > Hello. What would be an economical and Linux-friendly portable > music player? > > Best would be if the player would be seen as a USB disk. > That is: mount /mnt/player ; cp songs/* /mnt/player/ ; umount /mnt/player > Such a player would work in Linux naturally. Also, in Windows, that way > I could download music from the web without installing a downloading > software/driver. And yes, I cannot install anything because I don't own > the Windows computers here. > > Does, e.g., Creative, Philips, ipod players require a downloading > software to be installed, and therefore they work only in personal > Windows? I have heard that one may copy songs to their players via > USB disk but the players refuses to play the songs! > > What about ogg format? All players sold by local shops seem to support > only mp3 and wma. > > Juhana -- http://www.mprims.net From ernst at pulsewidth.ca Mon Sep 25 14:39:18 2006 From: ernst at pulsewidth.ca (Ernie Dulanowsky) Date: Mon Sep 25 14:39:28 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Linux-friendly portable music player? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <321dfa6a0609251139q41a62c09yff2f70cd64b9d7a6@mail.gmail.com> Hello: Players from MPIO seem to be Linux-friendly. Some, like my FY 600 and the HD 400 also support Ogg format. Both of these models appear as USB drives when connected to your computer. cheers, ernst On 9/25/06, Juhana Sadeharju wrote: > > Hello. What would be an economical and Linux-friendly portable > music player? > > Best would be if the player would be seen as a USB disk. > That is: mount /mnt/player ; cp songs/* /mnt/player/ ; umount /mnt/player > Such a player would work in Linux naturally. Also, in Windows, that way > I could download music from the web without installing a downloading > software/driver. And yes, I cannot install anything because I don't own > the Windows computers here. > > Does, e.g., Creative, Philips, ipod players require a downloading > software to be installed, and therefore they work only in personal > Windows? I have heard that one may copy songs to their players via > USB disk but the players refuses to play the songs! > > What about ogg format? All players sold by local shops seem to support > only mp3 and wma. > > Juhana > -- > http://music.columbia.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-graphics-dev > for developers of open source graphics software > -- "Both Rob and I see sound as shapes. I only have to do this (makes a fist) and he knows what sound I mean". - Autechre ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: Ernie Dulanowsky CCNA CWLSS www.pulsewidth.ca >> test_tones on www.cjtr.ca << From dlphillips at woh.rr.com Mon Sep 25 15:10:01 2006 From: dlphillips at woh.rr.com (Dave Phillips) Date: Mon Sep 25 14:46:46 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] WINE and ASIO In-Reply-To: References: <4517BCF6.8010007@woh.rr.com> Message-ID: <45182989.9080603@woh.rr.com> Jean-Baptiste Mestelan wrote: > Okay, I'll submit a non-free, non open-source Window host :-o You're a brave companion, Jean-Baptiste. :) > - FL Studio > You can download a trial version from http://www.flstudio.com/ > I am not sure if this is middle-sized : in one sense it is a complete > software studio. > However, as this software is widely popular, it might be interesting > to test it ? Okay, I got it up and apparently running, but: I didn't know enough about it to produce a sound from anything I could do, and it crashes whenever I try to load an example file. If I can make some sound on my own the rest of the problem might be resolved with a file format fix. I also tried an older version of Kontakt, it works nicely. FM7 still looks like it's working, but I still get no audio from it. :( The Renoise demo comes with ASIO support disabled, not much good to me right now. > PS :The program installation went all right on my (Gentoo + Wine ) > box, but it crashes at runtime. I've not succeeded in installing the > ASIO-wine driver here, rather sadly... Have you been reporting to Robert ? Best, dp From drucer99 at yahoo.com Mon Sep 25 15:01:35 2006 From: drucer99 at yahoo.com (Drucer Ninetynine) Date: Mon Sep 25 15:01:49 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Solved: flash movie buffering problems In-Reply-To: <20060925172536.GB20820@jdboyd> Message-ID: <20060925190136.72920.qmail@web52209.mail.yahoo.com> --- Joshua Boyd wrote: > I use a perl script called youtube-dl to grab video > from youtube and > then watch them in Mplayer. It is ugly, but on the > upside, it doesn't > require flash player, which I feel has a heavy > destablizing effect. > Plus, mplayer is better at supporting alsa or jack > than flash player > is. > Would you mind sharing that Perl script?! I'd love to have it! __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From drucer99 at yahoo.com Mon Sep 25 15:04:36 2006 From: drucer99 at yahoo.com (Drucer Ninetynine) Date: Mon Sep 25 15:04:47 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Solved: flash movie buffering problems In-Reply-To: <1159202886.2899.90.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <20060925190437.81507.qmail@web52201.mail.yahoo.com> --- Lee Revell wrote: > Did you read my original post? > > The problem is that mplayer browser plugin does not > work (I just get a > grey box). "mplayer $URL" in a terminal window > works perfectly every > time. Ergo, the bug must be specific to the browser > plugin. > Chill out man :) Just trying to help. I believe you, it must be a problem with the plugin. However, I'd still like to see one URL that does not work with it and test it with my own system. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From dlphillips at woh.rr.com Mon Sep 25 15:50:23 2006 From: dlphillips at woh.rr.com (Dave Phillips) Date: Mon Sep 25 15:27:06 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] WINE and ASIO In-Reply-To: <45182989.9080603@woh.rr.com> References: <4517BCF6.8010007@woh.rr.com> <45182989.9080603@woh.rr.com> Message-ID: <451832FF.80801@woh.rr.com> Dave Phillips wrote: > FM7 still looks like it's working, but I still get no audio from it. :( Scratch that. For some reason the master volume gets set to 0 for each patch. Demudi 1.3 Debian Etch, kernel 2.6.15 (homebrew) WINE 0.9.21 patched for ASIO support. WineCfg audio/MIDI set for ALSA. JACK period size set to 1024 to accommodate apps' recommended ASIO setting. Audio and MIDI work nicely. I loaded a MIDI file demo, and I played the synth from an external MIDI keyboard. Potential interest should be modulated by the capabilities of Robert's driver. Currently it supports only two channels and doesn't self-configure via JACK (buffersize is hard-coded at 1024). Also, I don't know how much more work Robert will put into the project. But the code is there, it's a good start, and it works. Best, dp From pw_lists at slinkp.com Mon Sep 25 16:16:34 2006 From: pw_lists at slinkp.com (Paul Winkler) Date: Mon Sep 25 16:16:48 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Linux-friendly portable music player? In-Reply-To: <45181E60.6090402@skynet.be> References: <45181E60.6090402@skynet.be> Message-ID: <20060925201634.GB16971@slinkp.com> On Mon, Sep 25, 2006 at 08:22:24PM +0200, mik wrote: > the iriver h120. it's out of production but you can find it very easily > on ebay. new, at half the original price (which, maybe, is still too > much...). also good for recording. I've been happy with mine, except that the user interface is really really horrible. Not graphically; I mean that every control is overloaded with multiple meanings depending on context and after two years I *still* find some simple operations hard to perform. My wife occasionally borrows it, and I'm always afraid she's going to throw it out the window in a fit of frustration. I keep meaning to try loading it with Rockbox which AFAICT now supports recording: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IriverRecording but AFAICT there is not yet a declared stable release for the iriver? Other than the crappy UI, it's great. Sound is very good; linux sees it as standard USB storage device with a VFAT filesystem; it plays Ogg; the built-in FM radio is occasionally handy; it's built pretty solidly; and mine has crashed maybe once in the two years I've had it. (Powered it off, no problem after that.) The iripdb program ( http://www.fataltourist.com/iripdb/ ) is useful for creating the tag database so you can browse by artist, title, etc. If I was shopping again today, I don't know what I'd buy. AFAICT, iriver has no replacement model with the same features :-( I *need* the external mic input, and I now have so many OGGs that it'd be annoying to switch to anything that doesn't play them. -- Paul Winkler http://www.slinkp.com From paul at linuxaudiosystems.com Mon Sep 25 16:22:45 2006 From: paul at linuxaudiosystems.com (Paul Davis) Date: Mon Sep 25 16:28:52 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Linux-friendly portable music player? In-Reply-To: <20060925201634.GB16971@slinkp.com> References: <45181E60.6090402@skynet.be> <20060925201634.GB16971@slinkp.com> Message-ID: <1159215765.22323.28.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Mon, 2006-09-25 at 16:16 -0400, Paul Winkler wrote: > If I was shopping again today, I don't know what I'd buy. AFAICT, > iriver has no replacement model with the same features :-( I *need* the > external mic input, and I now have so many OGGs that it'd be annoying to > switch to anything that doesn't play them. iaudio ... they do almost everything right. nitpicks: record to MP3 format when WAV or OGG should be an option. we have an X5 and a smaller 2GB flash player. From jeremy at chaos.org.uk Mon Sep 25 17:07:10 2006 From: jeremy at chaos.org.uk (Jeremy Henty) Date: Mon Sep 25 17:08:24 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Solved: flash movie buffering problems In-Reply-To: <20060925190136.72920.qmail@web52209.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20060925172536.GB20820@jdboyd> <20060925190136.72920.qmail@web52209.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20060925210710.GG2390@omphalos.onepoint> On Mon, Sep 25, 2006 at 12:01:35PM -0700, Drucer Ninetynine wrote: > --- Joshua Boyd wrote: > > > I use a perl script called youtube-dl to grab video from youtube > > and then watch them in Mplayer. Me too. youtube-dl+mplayer rocks! > Would you mind sharing that Perl script?! I'd love to have it! It's at http://www.arrakis.es/~rggi3/youtube-dl/ . (It's actually a Python script.) Make sure you get the latest one. Inevitably it breaks whenever Youtube change their interface, but so far it has tracked such changes pretty promptly. Jeremy Henty From petespin at att.net Mon Sep 25 17:26:07 2006 From: petespin at att.net (Peter Finnegan) Date: Mon Sep 25 17:23:40 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Linux-friendly portable music player? In-Reply-To: <1159215765.22323.28.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <45181E60.6090402@skynet.be> <20060925201634.GB16971@slinkp.com> <1159215765.22323.28.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1159219567.3295.4.camel@gracie> On Mon, 2006-09-25 at 16:22 -0400, Paul Davis wrote: > On Mon, 2006-09-25 at 16:16 -0400, Paul Winkler wrote: > > If I was shopping again today, I don't know what I'd buy. AFAICT, > > iriver has no replacement model with the same features :-( I *need* the > > external mic input, and I now have so many OGGs that it'd be annoying to > > switch to anything that doesn't play them. > > iaudio ... they do almost everything right. nitpicks: record to MP3 > format when WAV or OGG should be an option. we have an X5 and a smaller > 2GB flash player. > I second the iaudio (also known as jetaudio). My iaudio U2 just accidentally went through the wash and worked like a champ afterword (other than needing a battery charge). Firmware upgrades are free, but have to be done from windows, unless someone has figured out a way to do it from linux. From folderol at ukfsn.org Mon Sep 25 17:34:48 2006 From: folderol at ukfsn.org (Folderol) Date: Mon Sep 25 17:34:11 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Linux-friendly portable music player? In-Reply-To: <45181E60.6090402@skynet.be> References: <45181E60.6090402@skynet.be> Message-ID: <20060925223448.6d754c34@localhost> On Mon, 25 Sep 2006 20:22:24 +0200 mik wrote: > the iriver h120. it's out of production but you can find it very easily > on ebay. new, at half the original price (which, maybe, is still too > much...). also good for recording. > > m I've got the h320 which works very well too - don't know about availability these days though. -- Will J G From lau at kudla.org Mon Sep 25 19:48:36 2006 From: lau at kudla.org (Rob) Date: Mon Sep 25 19:52:55 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Solved: flash movie buffering problems In-Reply-To: <20060925172536.GB20820@jdboyd> References: <45138612.1050809@boosthardware.com> <1159035728.1097.161.camel@mindpipe> <20060925172536.GB20820@jdboyd> Message-ID: <200609251948.36878.lau@kudla.org> On Monday 25 September 2006 13:25, Joshua Boyd wrote: > I use a perl script called youtube-dl to grab video from > youtube and then watch them in Mplayer. It is ugly, but on > the upside, it doesn't require flash player, which I feel has I do the same thing, but using Greasemonkey and the following script: http://www.linuxin.dk/forum/index.php?ops=linuxin&fmode=vis&visid=22580&grid=20"eid=171949&qind=0 (about halfway down....) There are others too, if you google for greasemonkey youtube. It seamlessly replaces the Flash applet on the Youtube page with a download link for the .flv file. Of course, you need the greasemonkey extension for Firefox (I think I heard it's available for Opera too.) Rob From linux-stuff at arcor.de Mon Sep 25 20:07:17 2006 From: linux-stuff at arcor.de (=?ISO-8859-15?Q?Frieder_B=FCrzele?=) Date: Mon Sep 25 20:07:37 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] ANN: bristol 0.9.5-60 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <45186F35.1030607@arcor.de> Nick Copeland wrote: > Was this from the 'build' script in the 'src' directory or from a make > in the engine directory? You can use the makefile directly, but the > wrapper in the src directory will build all the dependent libraries > first. This is still strange output though, the unresolved calls > should be for sourcecode resident in this directory. > > Regards, > > Nick. > I bumped a gentoo ebuild to the new bristol version, but forgot to delete the makefile patch which was needed for the old bristol version Frieder > >> From: Frieder B?rzele >> Reply-To: A list for linux audio users >> >> To: A list for linux audio users >> Subject: Re: [linux-audio-user] ANN: bristol 0.9.5-60 >> Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2006 19:34:54 +0200 >> >> Frieder B?rzele wrote: >>> I get this >>> >>> >>> cc -g -fPIC -D_BRISTOL_JACK -I../include -I. -I/usr/local/include >>> -I/usr/include/jack bristoljack.o bristolmixer.o bristolprophet52.o >>> bristolobx.o bristolpoly.o bristolvox.o vox.o sdco.o sdcoutils.o >>> bristolsampler.o vibrachorus.o thesermon.o bristolexplorer.o >>> filter2.o lfo.o bristoldx.o hpf.o junodco.o bristoljuno.o >>> dimensionD.o expdco.o bristolsystem.o bristolhammond.o >>> bristolprophet.o prophetdco.o filter.o noise.o hammond.o >>> audioEngine.o resonator.o dxop.o midihandlers.o bristolmm.o >>> midinote.o envelope.o dca.o rotary.o bristolmain.o dco.o >>> midithread.o audiothread.o soundManager.o -o bristol -L/usr/lib >>> -L/usr/local/lib -L../../slab/libslabaudio -L../libbristol >>> -L../libbristolmidi -L../libbristol -L/usr/lib/jack -Xlinker >>> -Bdynamic -lc -lm -lpthread -lasound -lbristol -lbristolmidi >>> -lslabaudio -ljack >>> audiothread.o:(.data.rel+0x4c): undefined reference to `arpdcoinit' >>> audiothread.o:(.data.rel+0x50): undefined reference to `ringmodinit' >>> audiothread.o:(.data.rel+0x54): undefined reference to `eswitchinit' >>> audiothread.o:(.data.rel+0x58): undefined reference to `reverbinit' >>> audiothread.o:(.data.rel+0x5c): undefined reference to `followerinit' >>> audiothread.o:(.data.rel+0xcc): undefined reference to >>> `bristolPoly6Init' >>> audiothread.o:(.data.rel+0xd0): undefined reference to >>> `bristolAxxeInit' >>> audiothread.o:(.data.rel+0xd4): undefined reference to >>> `bristolOdysseyInit' >>> audiothread.o:(.data.rel+0xd8): undefined reference to >>> `bristolMemoryMoogInit' >>> audiothread.o:(.data.rel+0xdc): undefined reference to >>> `bristolArp2600Init' >>> collect2: ld returned 1 exit status >>> make[1]: *** [bristol] Error 1 >>> make[1]: Leaving directory >>> `/var/tmp/portage/bristol-0.9.5.60/work/bristol-0.9.5/src/bristol/bristol' >>> >>> >>> make: *** [all] Error 2 >>> >>> >>> Greetz >>> Frieder >> sorry for the noise it was my fault > > _________________________________________________________________ > Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today it's > FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ > From salvuz_78 at virgilio.it Mon Sep 25 20:07:51 2006 From: salvuz_78 at virgilio.it (Salvatore Di Pietro) Date: Mon Sep 25 20:09:37 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [PATCH] oss2jack for kernel => 2.6.17 Message-ID: <45186F57.5040203@virgilio.it> Hi all, As some may have noticed, fusd-kor-1.10-10 does not build anymore on kernel 2.6.17 and 2.6.18 (AFAICS in the latter because of removal of obsolete devfs), here's a patch I put together that makes it build again, in case someone other than me needs it. Kudos to Kor Nielsen for his nifty oss2jack! -- salvuz POST FATA RESVRGO Linux registered user #291700 | machine #174619 get counted on ---> http://counter.li.org/ <--- From rlrevell at joe-job.com Mon Sep 25 20:15:03 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Mon Sep 25 20:14:47 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [PATCH] oss2jack for kernel => 2.6.17 In-Reply-To: <45186F57.5040203@virgilio.it> References: <45186F57.5040203@virgilio.it> Message-ID: <1159229703.2899.167.camel@mindpipe> On Tue, 2006-09-26 at 02:07 +0200, Salvatore Di Pietro wrote: > Hi all, > As some may have noticed, fusd-kor-1.10-10 does not build anymore on > kernel 2.6.17 and 2.6.18 (AFAICS in the latter because of removal of > obsolete devfs), here's a patch I put together that makes it build > again, in case someone other than me needs it. > Kudos to Kor Nielsen for his nifty oss2jack! You forgot to attach the patch ;-) Lee From salvuz_78 at virgilio.it Mon Sep 25 20:13:52 2006 From: salvuz_78 at virgilio.it (Salvatore Di Pietro) Date: Mon Sep 25 20:15:57 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [PATCH] oss2jack for kernel => 2.6.17 (with patch) Message-ID: <451870C0.6090102@virgilio.it> Ok, here is the patch :) ...And it is fusd-kor-1.10-11, not fusd-kor-1.10-10. Sorry, It's 2.13 AM and I'm almost asleep... ;) -- salvuz POST FATA RESVRGO Linux registered user #291700 | machine #174619 get counted on ---> http://counter.li.org/ <--- -------------- next part -------------- --- kfusd/kfusd.c 2006-09-26 00:57:19.000000000 +0200 +++ kfusd/kfusd.c.new 2006-09-26 00:58:43.000000000 +0200 @@ -67,7 +67,7 @@ #include #include #include -#include +//#include #include #include #include @@ -85,7 +85,7 @@ #define STATIC /* Define this if you want to emit debug messages (adds ~8K) */ -#define CONFIG_FUSD_DEBUG +//#define CONFIG_FUSD_DEBUG /* Default debug level for FUSD messages. Has no effect unless * CONFIG_FUSD_DEBUG is defined. */ @@ -96,6 +96,8 @@ /* Define this to check for memory leaks */ /*#define CONFIG_FUSD_MEMDEBUG*/ +#undef CONFIG_DEVFS_FS + /* Define this to use the faster wake_up_interruptible_sync instead of * the normal wake_up_interruptible. Note: you can't do this unless * you're bulding fusd as part of the kernel (not a module); or you've @@ -2956,10 +2958,10 @@ cdev_del(fusd_control_device); cdev_del(fusd_status_device); - - devfs_remove(FUSD_CONTROL_FILENAME); - devfs_remove(FUSD_STATUS_FILENAME); - +#ifdef CONFIG_DEVFS_FS + devfs_remove(FUSD_CONTROL_FILENAME); + devfs_remove(FUSD_STATUS_FILENAME); +#endif class_destroy(fusd_class); From pw_lists at slinkp.com Mon Sep 25 20:16:23 2006 From: pw_lists at slinkp.com (Paul Winkler) Date: Mon Sep 25 20:17:12 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Linux-friendly portable music player? In-Reply-To: <1159219567.3295.4.camel@gracie> References: <45181E60.6090402@skynet.be> <20060925201634.GB16971@slinkp.com> <1159215765.22323.28.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1159219567.3295.4.camel@gracie> Message-ID: <20060926001623.GA16043@slinkp.com> On Mon, Sep 25, 2006 at 04:26:07PM -0500, Peter Finnegan wrote: > On Mon, 2006-09-25 at 16:22 -0400, Paul Davis wrote: > > On Mon, 2006-09-25 at 16:16 -0400, Paul Winkler wrote: > > > If I was shopping again today, I don't know what I'd buy. AFAICT, > > > iriver has no replacement model with the same features :-( I *need* the > > > external mic input, and I now have so many OGGs that it'd be annoying to > > > switch to anything that doesn't play them. > > > > iaudio ... they do almost everything right. nitpicks: record to MP3 > > format when WAV or OGG should be an option. we have an X5 and a smaller > > 2GB flash player. > > > > I second the iaudio (also known as jetaudio). My iaudio U2 just > accidentally went through the wash and worked like a champ afterword > (other than needing a battery charge). Firmware upgrades are free, but > have to be done from windows, unless someone has figured out a way to do > it from linux. It looks pretty nice! Except for only supporting line-level external sources AFAICT. The iriver with my AT Pro 24 battery-powered mic is the best rehearsal / jam recorder I've had. I'd rather not have to hassle with any more external gear for my needs. for example... not the best mp3 encoding but still good for a point-the-mic-at-the-band-and-forget-it solution that weighs about a pound total. I have better recordings from later rehearsals but haven't uploaded them anywhere... http://www.slinkp.com/~paul/wrp/rehearsals/2006_05_22_1/16_tailspin.mp3 -- Paul Winkler http://www.slinkp.com From rlrevell at joe-job.com Mon Sep 25 20:19:41 2006 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Mon Sep 25 20:20:16 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [PATCH] oss2jack for kernel => 2.6.17 (with patch) In-Reply-To: <451870C0.6090102@virgilio.it> References: <451870C0.6090102@virgilio.it> Message-ID: <1159229981.2899.170.camel@mindpipe> On Tue, 2006-09-26 at 02:13 +0200, Salvatore Di Pietro wrote: > Ok, here is the patch :) > > ...And it is fusd-kor-1.10-11, not fusd-kor-1.10-10. > Sorry, It's 2.13 AM and I'm almost asleep... ;) I wonder if this could be ported to FUSE (Filesystem in USErspace) which is now in mainline? Lee From pw_lists at slinkp.com Tue Sep 26 00:12:13 2006 From: pw_lists at slinkp.com (Paul Winkler) Date: Tue Sep 26 00:12:25 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Linux-friendly portable music player? In-Reply-To: <339c30110609252014k609cf540v351c289e01c77c29@mail.gmail.com> References: <45181E60.6090402@skynet.be> <20060925201634.GB16971@slinkp.com> <339c30110609252014k609cf540v351c289e01c77c29@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20060926041213.GB18616@slinkp.com> On Tue, Sep 26, 2006 at 12:14:33PM +0900, michael noble wrote: > If you are waiting for a declared stable release, you're missing out. I've > been running rockbox on 2 H140s here for probably 9 months and only had a > crash in the very early stages. I haven't had a single problem for about 6 > months now - it really is rock solid, and lightyears ahead of the default > firmware. That's very good to hear. What's your take on the usability of rockbox? How does it compare to the nightmare of long vs. short button press on the default firmware? -- Paul Winkler http://www.slinkp.com From slothlove at gmail.com Tue Sep 26 01:24:29 2006 From: slothlove at gmail.com (Spencer Russell) Date: Tue Sep 26 01:24:36 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Linux-friendly portable music player? In-Reply-To: <45181E60.6090402@skynet.be> References: <45181E60.6090402@skynet.be> Message-ID: On 9/25/06, mik wrote: > the iriver h120. it's out of production but you can find it very easily > on ebay. new, at half the original price (which, maybe, is still too > much...). also good for recording. > > m I can also fully recommend the iRiver players (I have an H120, formally called the iHP-120). It has an optical in and out, line level in and out, mic-level in, and headphone out. It mounts just like a hard drive, and in fact sometimes I use it as a backup device or just to carry large files around. The headphones that come with it are truly awful, but most are. The little remote is pretty handy, but most headphone plugs don't fit in it without a little adaptor which is included with the device, but is easy to lose. The UI is pretty bad, for sure. I've been thinking for a while about switching to Rockbox, which hopefully should fix that problem. -spencer From mista.tapas at gmx.net Tue Sep 26 03:39:16 2006 From: mista.tapas at gmx.net (Florian Schmidt) Date: Tue Sep 26 03:39:25 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [PATCH] oss2jack for kernel => 2.6.17 (with patch) In-Reply-To: <1159229981.2899.170.camel@mindpipe> References: <451870C0.6090102@virgilio.it> <1159229981.2899.170.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <200609260939.16700.mista.tapas@gmx.net> On Tuesday 26 September 2006 02:19, Lee Revell wrote: > On Tue, 2006-09-26 at 02:13 +0200, Salvatore Di Pietro wrote: > > Ok, here is the patch :) > > > > ...And it is fusd-kor-1.10-11, not fusd-kor-1.10-10. > > Sorry, It's 2.13 AM and I'm almost asleep... ;) > > I wonder if this could be ported to FUSE (Filesystem in USErspace) which > is now in mainline? Nope. FUSE does not support ioctl's. Or at least didn't when i looked into this last time. I had the same thought :) Flo -- Palimm Palimm! http://tapas.affenbande.org From mestelan at gmail.com Tue Sep 26 03:40:59 2006 From: mestelan at gmail.com (Jean-Baptiste Mestelan) Date: Tue Sep 26 03:41:07 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: ANN: bristol 0.9.5-60 In-Reply-To: <200609211542.32874.d_baron@012.net.il> References: <20060920211444.306BB304FA8E@music.columbia.edu> <200609211542.32874.d_baron@012.net.il> Message-ID: On 9/21/06, David Baron wrote: > MIDI works fine but one must specify the -mididev if this is not the first > alsa/oss device. Mine being the second one, I have to give it /dev/midi1 in a > OSS mode and hw129:0 in ALSA. I assume there is a way of (setting up for) > using device names instead of this stuff. Please, David : how did you make out the correct id (hw129) for your midi device ? I also have a USB keyboard as my second soundcard, but I cannot make out its id ... It is listed in /proc/devices as KONTROL49, but that is not a correct id for Bristol, obviously ... Also, to Nick : would it be possible for Bristol MIDI connections to show up in QJackctl or Patchage ? This would enable ignorants like me to patch Bristol to their MIDI devices :-) Regards. From letz at grame.fr Tue Sep 26 04:02:31 2006 From: letz at grame.fr (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?St=E9phane_Letz?=) Date: Tue Sep 26 04:05:14 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: WINE and ASIO In-Reply-To: <20060926000949.5F0CC320148D@music.columbia.edu> References: <20060926000949.5F0CC320148D@music.columbia.edu> Message-ID: <4219B829-5251-410E-8A3B-C86E78807DFA@grame.fr> > > Message: 1 > Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2006 15:50:23 -0400 > From: Dave Phillips > Subject: Re: [linux-audio-user] WINE and ASIO > To: A list for linux audio users > Message-ID: <451832FF.80801@woh.rr.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed > > Dave Phillips wrote: > >> FM7 still looks like it's working, but I still get no audio from >> it. :( > > Scratch that. For some reason the master volume gets set to 0 for each > patch. > > Demudi 1.3 Debian Etch, kernel 2.6.15 (homebrew) > WINE 0.9.21 patched for ASIO support. > WineCfg audio/MIDI set for ALSA. > JACK period size set to 1024 to accommodate apps' recommended ASIO > setting. > Audio and MIDI work nicely. I loaded a MIDI file demo, and I played > the > synth from an external MIDI keyboard. > > Potential interest should be modulated by the capabilities of Robert's > driver. Currently it supports only two channels and doesn't > self-configure via JACK (buffersize is hard-coded at 1024). Also, I > don't know how much more work Robert will put into the project. But > the > code is there, it's a good start, and it works. > > Best, > > dp > I think ideas (maybe code...) could be shared with similar projects that also does Jack <==> some other audio API connections, that is JackOSX/JackRouter that does the Jack <==> CoreAudio bridge on OSX and the ASIO JackRouter driver, part of jack on Windows implementation. - on both projects there is a notion of "virtual channel", basically the number of audio channels (that actually correspond internally to real jack ports) can be different from the number of jack ports the real hardware supports. This way jackified applications can use these additional audio channels to route whatever they need. This number of virtual channels typically needs to be managed in a global setup with a shared state visible by all jackified applications. - saving/restoring jack ports connections state: any Jack <==> some other audio API bridge has to map the jack client life cycle on the other audio API life cycle, so that each jack API call would correspond to one of the other audio API call. Although this mapping usually works well with most applications, one may have some that behave a bit stangely: for example jackified Max/MSP typically register a jack client the first time the DSP is set to on, but only *deactivate/reactivate* the jack client with its DSP is later set up off/on. When desactivated the jack client still appears in a connection tool, but cannot be connected anymore: when setting the DSP to on, the previous state of jack connection is just lost. In this case having an automatic saving/restoring jack ports connections state inside the bridge is very convenient.... Regards, SL From ivalladolidt at terra.es Tue Sep 26 04:51:57 2006 From: ivalladolidt at terra.es (Ismael Valladolid Torres) Date: Tue Sep 26 05:25:56 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] RME Digi96/8 PST, no S/PDIF out apparently Message-ID: <20060926085157.GA8943@gmail.com> After some problems configuring jackd, I achieved making use of this card in the analog world, featuring 5ms of latency and superb audio quality. However, I tried to connect the optical output to the optical input on my minidisc and I am not being able to record anything. While listening to music using analog out, there's laser in the optical connector of the card. If I plug the cable there's laser in the other side of the cable. When plugged into the minidisc it says "NO SIGNAL". I read about lowering the mixer level to 0 in order to enable the S/PDIF out but that wasn't succesful here. Jack's running like this: $ jackd -R -dalsa -dhw:1 -r96000 -p256 -n2 I assumed that the same sound output was being forwarded to both the analog output and the optical output as S/PDIF, but I might be wrong. Any pointers welcome, thanks in advance. Cordially, Ismael -- Ismael Valladolid Torres "Il est vain de pleurer sur l'esprit, il suffit de travailler pour lui." Albert Camus http://digitrazos.info/ http://lamediahostia.blogspot.com/ OpenPGP key ID: 0xDE721AF4 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Nick. _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ From ivalladolidt at terra.es Tue Sep 26 06:15:12 2006 From: ivalladolidt at terra.es (Ismael Valladolid Torres) Date: Tue Sep 26 06:16:49 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] ALSA MIDI translator for PhatBoy controller Message-ID: <20060926101512.GA10852@gmail.com> I just got a PhatBoy MIDI controller. However its software version is v1 so its mode III only allows me sending CC in the range 1-13. I wonder if there's out there any ALSA MIDI translator which allows me to change this CC realtime to different CC more useful for i.e. zynaddsubfx. Any ideas welcome. Cordially, Ismael -- Ismael Valladolid Torres "Il est vain de pleurer sur l'esprit, il suffit de travailler pour lui." 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From fbar at footils.org Tue Sep 26 07:08:17 2006 From: fbar at footils.org (Frank Barknecht) Date: Tue Sep 26 07:09:04 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] ALSA MIDI translator for PhatBoy controller In-Reply-To: <20060926101512.GA10852@gmail.com> References: <20060926101512.GA10852@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20060926110817.GA31309@fliwatut.scifi> Hallo, Ismael Valladolid Torres hat gesagt: // Ismael Valladolid Torres wrote: > I just got a PhatBoy MIDI controller. However its software version is > v1 so its mode III only allows me sending CC in the range 1-13. I > wonder if there's out there any ALSA MIDI translator which allows me > to change this CC realtime to different CC more useful for > i.e. zynaddsubfx. Every decent modular synth environment like Pd or Supercollider can do this. Pd is easy to learn, so you may want to start there. You can start Pd as "pd -noaudio" to not make it run without its audio engine and with "-nogui" to not even show its GUI. Ciao -- Frank Barknecht _ ______footils.org_ __goto10.org__ From schwarzb at ipms.fraunhofer.de Tue Sep 26 07:09:11 2006 From: schwarzb at ipms.fraunhofer.de (Markus Schwarzenberg) Date: Tue Sep 26 07:09:59 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] RME Digi96/8 PST, no S/PDIF out apparently In-Reply-To: <20060926085157.GA8943@gmail.com> References: <20060926085157.GA8943@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20060926130911.000011db@suni2> On Tue, 26 Sep 2006 10:51:57 +0200 Ismael Valladolid Torres wrote: > While listening to music using analog out, there's laser in the > optical connector of the card. If I plug the cable there's laser in > the other side of the cable. When plugged into the minidisc it says > "NO SIGNAL". > > I read about lowering the mixer level to 0 in order to enable the > S/PDIF out but that wasn't succesful here. > > Jack's running like this: > > $ jackd -R -dalsa -dhw:1 -r96000 -p256 -n2 -r44100 or -r48000. 96k ready MDs are rare AFAIK ;-) Markus From mlang at delysid.org Tue Sep 26 07:14:37 2006 From: mlang at delysid.org (Mario Lang) Date: Tue Sep 26 07:14:06 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [mini-ANN] rme.el -- Simple interface to the RME Multiface matrix mixer for Emacs Message-ID: <87u02u517m.fsf@x2.delysid.org> Hola! The subject basically says it all. Since the hdspmixer app is still graphical only, and I was sort of pissed with the syntax I had to use to make amixer set the RME matrix mixer, I wrote some convinience functions for Emacs. Now, I have nicely named channels (with prompting) and can use dB instead of integers in the range of 0-65535 to set the hardware mixer of the RME. Still missing however is an additional mapping for double-speed mode, I didn't need that yet, but I will write it as soon as I need it... Get it here: http://delysid.org/emacs/rme.el -- CYa, Mario | Debian Developer .''`. | Get my public key via finger mlang@db.debian.org : :' : | 1024D/7FC1A0854909BCCDBE6C102DDFFC022A6B113E44 `. `' `- -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I >>wonder if there's out there any ALSA MIDI translator which allows me >>to change this CC realtime to different CC more useful for >>i.e. zynaddsubfx. >> >> > >Every decent modular synth environment like Pd or Supercollider can do >this. Pd is easy to learn, so you may want to start there. You can >start Pd as "pd -noaudio" to not make it run without its audio engine >and with "-nogui" to not even show its GUI. > > While Frank is certainly correct, I'm still going to bitch about the fact that I'd have to use Pd for such a minor function. It's like driving my car across the street to get milk, it's too much tool for the job. I guess at some unknown point in time I'll learn enough FLTK to slap together some kind of GUI for a standalone MIDI event mapper. Holborn's midirgui would be a good container for such functions, but he doesn't seem interested in expanding it. Best, dp From ivalladolidt at terra.es Tue Sep 26 08:11:10 2006 From: ivalladolidt at terra.es (Ismael Valladolid Torres) Date: Tue Sep 26 08:11:30 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] ALSA MIDI translator for PhatBoy controller In-Reply-To: <45191535.1070506@woh.rr.com> References: <20060926101512.GA10852@gmail.com> <20060926110817.GA31309@fliwatut.scifi> <45191535.1070506@woh.rr.com> Message-ID: <20060926121110.GC19379@gmail.com> Dave Phillips escribe: > While Frank is certainly correct, I'm still going to bitch about the > fact that I'd have to use Pd for such a minor function. It's like > driving my car across the street to get milk, it's too much tool for the > job. So maybe pd's the way to go, as certainly I'm the kind of guy who takes his car across the street to get milk. ;) Cordially, Ismael -- Ismael Valladolid Torres "Il est vain de pleurer sur l'esprit, il suffit de travailler pour lui." Albert Camus http://digitrazos.info/ http://lamediahostia.blogspot.com/ OpenPGP key ID: 0xDE721AF4 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Digital signature Url : http://music.columbia.edu/pipermail/linux-audio-user/attachments/20060926/9c4b7976/attachment-0001.bin From ivalladolidt at terra.es Tue Sep 26 08:10:06 2006 From: ivalladolidt at terra.es (Ismael Valladolid Torres) Date: Tue Sep 26 08:12:40 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] ALSA MIDI translator for PhatBoy controller In-Reply-To: <20060926110817.GA31309@fliwatut.scifi> References: <20060926101512.GA10852@gmail.com> <20060926110817.GA31309@fliwatut.scifi> Message-ID: <20060926121006.GB19379@gmail.com> Frank Barknecht escribe: > Every decent modular synth environment like Pd or Supercollider can do > this. Pd is easy to learn, so you may want to start there. You can > start Pd as "pd -noaudio" to not make it run without its audio engine > and with "-nogui" to not even show its GUI. I expected pd to be more than capable enough to do the task, I simply wanted to know if there was something lighter. Maybe a good moment to put pd to work, then... Cordially, Ismael -- Ismael Valladolid Torres "Il est vain de pleurer sur l'esprit, il suffit de travailler pour lui." Albert Camus http://digitrazos.info/ http://lamediahostia.blogspot.com/ OpenPGP key ID: 0xDE721AF4 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Cordially, Ismael -- Ismael Valladolid Torres "Il est vain de pleurer sur l'esprit, il suffit de travailler pour lui." Albert Camus http://digitrazos.info/ http://lamediahostia.blogspot.com/ OpenPGP key ID: 0xDE721AF4 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Digital signature Url : http://music.columbia.edu/pipermail/linux-audio-user/attachments/20060926/a02ed008/attachment.bin From fbar at footils.org Tue Sep 26 08:26:26 2006 From: fbar at footils.org (Frank Barknecht) Date: Tue Sep 26 08:27:20 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] ALSA MIDI translator for PhatBoy controller In-Reply-To: <45191535.1070506@woh.rr.com> References: <20060926101512.GA10852@gmail.com> <20060926110817.GA31309@fliwatut.scifi> <45191535.1070506@woh.rr.com> Message-ID: <20060926122626.GD31309@fliwatut.scifi> Hallo, Dave Phillips hat gesagt: // Dave Phillips wrote: > While Frank is certainly correct, I'm still going to bitch about the > fact that I'd have to use Pd for such a minor function. It's like > driving my car across the street to get milk, it's too much tool for the > job. I wouldn't compare this to using the car to get milk but more to having a swiss knife ready for small tasks by learning at least one "scripting language for music" like Pd, SC or maybe Python etc. Then instead of having to search the net to find a ready-made tool for a very specific problem, you would just write a little tool yourself in a couple of minutes and could get on with the real work. I'd consider learning C for much more like driving a car to get milk. ;) Ciao -- Frank Barknecht _ ______footils.org_ __goto10.org__ From pshirkey at boosthardware.com Tue Sep 26 08:31:36 2006 From: pshirkey at boosthardware.com (Patrick Shirkey) Date: Tue Sep 26 08:33:08 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] ALSA MIDI translator for PhatBoy controller In-Reply-To: <20060926122626.GD31309@fliwatut.scifi> References: <20060926101512.GA10852@gmail.com> <20060926110817.GA31309@fliwatut.scifi> <45191535.1070506@woh.rr.com> <20060926122626.GD31309@fliwatut.scifi> Message-ID: <45191DA8.5080403@boosthardware.com> Frank Barknecht wrote: > Hallo, > Dave Phillips hat gesagt: // Dave Phillips wrote: > >> While Frank is certainly correct, I'm still going to bitch about the >> fact that I'd have to use Pd for such a minor function. It's like >> driving my car across the street to get milk, it's too much tool for the >> job. > > I wouldn't compare this to using the car to get milk but more to > having a swiss knife ready for small tasks by learning at least one > "scripting language for music" like Pd, SC or maybe Python etc. Then > instead of having to search the net to find a ready-made tool for a > very specific problem, you would just write a little tool yourself in > a couple of minutes and could get on with the real work. > > I'd consider learning C for much more like driving a car to get milk. ;) > But the average user doesn't want to do either and will be happy to open up a gui applet that gives them exactly that function and no more if it "just works (tm)" -- Patrick Shirkey - Boost Hardware Ltd. Http://www.boosthardware.com Http://lau.linuxaudio.org - The Linux Audio Users guide ======================================== "Anything your mind can see you can manifest physically, then it will become reality" - Macka B From schwarzb at ipms.fraunhofer.de Tue Sep 26 08:33:57 2006 From: schwarzb at ipms.fraunhofer.de (Markus Schwarzenberg) Date: Tue Sep 26 08:34:42 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] RME Digi96/8 PST, no S/PDIF out apparently In-Reply-To: <20060926120848.GA19379@gmail.com> References: <20060926085157.GA8943@gmail.com> <1159268673.22323.44.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20060926120848.GA19379@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20060926143357.00002e52@suni2> On Tue, 26 Sep 2006 14:08:48 +0200 Ismael Valladolid Torres wrote: > $ cat /proc/asound/devices > (...) > 48: [ 1- 0]: digital audio playback > 49: [ 1- 1]: digital audio playback > 56: [ 1- 0]: digital audio capture > 57: [ 1- 1]: digital audio capture > > Then could it be that 1-0 is expected to be analog and 1-1 S/PDIF? IIRC: -0 is ADAT, -1 is stereo (optical, coax, analog) on RME96. The outputs (on my RM?96/PRO) are working in parallel, there is no way to address them seperately. Markus From fbar at footils.org Tue Sep 26 10:03:44 2006 From: fbar at footils.org (Frank Barknecht) Date: Tue Sep 26 10:04:34 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] ALSA MIDI translator for PhatBoy controller In-Reply-To: <45191DA8.5080403@boosthardware.com> References: <20060926101512.GA10852@gmail.com> <20060926110817.GA31309@fliwatut.scifi> <45191535.1070506@woh.rr.com> <20060926122626.GD31309@fliwatut.scifi> <45191DA8.5080403@boosthardware.com> Message-ID: <20060926140344.GE31309@fliwatut.scifi> Hallo, Patrick Shirkey hat gesagt: // Patrick Shirkey wrote: > But the average user doesn't want to do either and will be happy to open > up a gui applet that gives them exactly that function and no more if it > "just works (tm)" My goal is to make users above avarage. Ciao -- Frank Barknecht _ ______footils.org_ __goto10.org__ From paul at linuxaudiosystems.com Tue Sep 26 10:19:06 2006 From: paul at linuxaudiosystems.com (Paul Davis) Date: Tue Sep 26 10:22:08 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] ALSA MIDI translator for PhatBoy controller In-Reply-To: <20060926140344.GE31309@fliwatut.scifi> References: <20060926101512.GA10852@gmail.com> <20060926110817.GA31309@fliwatut.scifi> <45191535.1070506@woh.rr.com> <20060926122626.GD31309@fliwatut.scifi> <45191DA8.5080403@boosthardware.com> <20060926140344.GE31309@fliwatut.scifi> Message-ID: <1159280346.22323.52.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Tue, 2006-09-26 at 16:03 +0200, Frank Barknecht wrote: > Hallo, > Patrick Shirkey hat gesagt: // Patrick Shirkey wrote: > > > But the average user doesn't want to do either and will be happy to open > > up a gui applet that gives them exactly that function and no more if it > > "just works (tm)" > > My goal is to make users above avarage. until *everybody* is above average! :) don't forget, we want women who are strong and men who are good looking too (very US-centric joke for those people who listen to "Prairie Home Companion on US public radio) --p From d_baron at 012.net.il Tue Sep 26 10:57:07 2006 From: d_baron at 012.net.il (David Baron) Date: Tue Sep 26 10:57:52 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: ANN: bristol 0.9.5-60 In-Reply-To: <20060926080514.8AAAA3215EEF@music.columbia.edu> References: <20060926080514.8AAAA3215EEF@music.columbia.edu> Message-ID: <200609261757.07343.d_baron@012.net.il> On Tuesday 26 September 2006 11:05, linux-audio-user-request@music.columbia.edu wrote: > > MIDI works fine but one must specify the -mididev if this is not the > > first alsa/oss device. Mine being the second one, I have to give it > > /dev/midi1 in a OSS mode and hw129:0 in ALSA. I assume there is a way of > > (setting up for) using device names instead of this stuff. > > Please, David : > how did you make out the correct id (hw129) for your midi device ? > I also have a USB keyboard as my second soundcard, but I cannot make > out its id ... > It is listed in /proc/devices as KONTROL49, but that is not a correct > id for Bristol, obviously ... Works just fine either way. > > Also, to Nick : > would it be possible for Bristol MIDI connections to show up in > QJackctl or Patchage ? This would enable ignorants like me to patch > Bristol to their MIDI devices :-) Jack stuff should show up in Qjackctl connections and then the user could connect to whatever input and output he/she chooses (just like most other jack apps). It might be nice to have a little control window in Bristol to be able to dynamically connect rather than have to always do it on the command line but this is not necessary, especially if jack works and the connections show up! From jdboyd at jdboyd.net Tue Sep 26 13:23:03 2006 From: jdboyd at jdboyd.net (Joshua Boyd) Date: Tue Sep 26 13:38:27 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Solved: flash movie buffering problems In-Reply-To: <20060925190136.72920.qmail@web52209.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20060925172536.GB20820@jdboyd> <20060925190136.72920.qmail@web52209.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20060926172303.GE23697@jdboyd> On Mon, Sep 25, 2006 at 12:01:35PM -0700, Drucer Ninetynine wrote: > > > --- Joshua Boyd wrote: > > > I use a perl script called youtube-dl to grab video > > from youtube and > > then watch them in Mplayer. It is ugly, but on the > > upside, it doesn't > > require flash player, which I feel has a heavy > > destablizing effect. > > Plus, mplayer is better at supporting alsa or jack > > than flash player > > is. > > > > Would you mind sharing that Perl script?! I'd love to > have it! Whoops, it is a python script, not perl. I got it from: http://www.arrakis.es/~rggi3/youtube-dl/ It requires python 2.4, which is a bit on the new side, but already installed on many systems. -- Joshua D. Boyd jdboyd@jdboyd.net http://www.jdboyd.net/ http://www.joshuaboyd.org/ From lanas at securenet.net Tue Sep 26 17:40:01 2006 From: lanas at securenet.net (lanas) Date: Tue Sep 26 17:39:09 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Linux-friendly portable music player? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20060926174001.38456068@mistral.stie> On Mon, 25 Sep 2006 20:27:26 +0300 Juhana Sadeharju wrote: > Hello. What would be an economical and Linux-friendly portable > music player? Depends what 'economical' means. I recently bought a iRiver T30 1 GB for some $110 USD. It can play ogg files. Works with Linux, using gphoto (libgphoto2). Copy voice files from it (has a recorder built-in, nice feature to make your boss remember things he said) and put ogg (and mp3) files in it. Sound is nice. With Linux I use gphoto (libgphoto2) as root to access files. Could be simpler I guess, but I'm lazy, so I copy/paste commands. One of these days I'll make a userland Perl interface. Cheers, Al From redfox at 99b.org Tue Sep 26 23:50:04 2006 From: redfox at 99b.org (Chris Abbott) Date: Tue Sep 26 23:50:32 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Linux-friendly portable music player? In-Reply-To: <20060926174001.38456068@mistral.stie> References: <20060926174001.38456068@mistral.stie> Message-ID: <4519F4EC.7000109@99b.org> On Mon, 25 Sep 2006 20:27:26 +0300 Juhana Sadeharju wrote: > >> Hello. What would be an economical and Linux-friendly portable >> music player? >> > > I bought a Cowon iAudio U3(1Gb model, there's a 2Gb). It just has a FAT file system, so you can use it as memory stick. It can play videos back, but I haven't gotten it to accept something from ffmpeg(at least from OSX's ffmpegX and ffmpeg in ubuntu, I still have yet to try the compiled version in Gentoo). Audio support is good, mp3, wma, wav, flac, ogg. It has voice recording also, along with a line-in jack. Audio playback is also good. Good Luck -Chris From leoave at gmail.com Wed Sep 27 00:30:41 2006 From: leoave at gmail.com (Leonardo Palomares) Date: Wed Sep 27 00:33:07 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Linux-friendly portable music player? In-Reply-To: <4519F4EC.7000109@99b.org> References: <20060926174001.38456068@mistral.stie> <4519F4EC.7000109@99b.org> Message-ID: <4519FE71.4030003@gmail.com> On 9/26/2006 8:50 PM, Chris Abbott wrote: > It has voice recording also, along with a line-in jack. Audio playback > is also good. Can you tell how good (quality) is the record on line in ? Thanks Leo From wagi at monom.org Wed Sep 27 02:07:38 2006 From: wagi at monom.org (Daniel Wagner) Date: Wed Sep 27 02:08:07 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Ok, what about non firewire mobile cards? In-Reply-To: <450E5448.9030501@monom.org> References: <450CDF9F.6060000@telus.net> <450E5448.9030501@monom.org> Message-ID: <451A152A.2050100@monom.org> [ Jonathan has replayed to my mail but as he's not subscribed his post didn't make through. Therefore I forward it here. ] > Jonathan Woithe has been working for a while to intergrate support > for the MOTU Travaler into freebob. His reports suggest that he is not > far away to get it stable working. This work will be part of the > freebob release 2.x. But of course we have to release 1.x which is > on hold until the next jack release... FYI the MOTU freebob driver will also drive the 828MkII - the two units are very similar at the protocol level. My guess is that it would also be possible to adapt it fairly easily to the MOTU Ultralite but thus far I don't know of anyone with such a unit which can test it for us. On the subject of RME I don't see the fireface products being supported any time soon. RME have been hostile to the idea of a Linux driver for these devices and I cannot afford to purchase one of these on the off chance that writing a driver without documentation is possible. I took the chance with the MOTU Traveler and it looks like it'll pay off, but the RME stuff is too expensive for me to do this. My brother does have a Fireface-800 but he lives 1500 km away so it's not entirely trivial for me to get hold of it - besides, he uses it all the time for work. I am thinking of asking him to bring it over next time he visits in which case I might be able to have a superficial look at it to see how much work a Linux driver might be. However, there is no firm timeline on this at this stage. So in summary the chances of the MOTU firewire interfaces working under Linux are very good. Currently the development driver can - record audio to disc - play audio (although I'm still ironing out the last of the sync glitches) - set sample rate This is sufficent functionality to allow jack to work as expected. FYI I used the development driver at a gig the other week and it worked for 3.5 hours straight without a problem. Oh yes - all this is done on ix86. Of course in theory it should be cross-platform, but in the end it depends on freebob and jack as a whole working on other platforms. This is something I'm not in a position to test. On the I/O front, MIDI is still on the TODO list. I've had a look at this and it *might* end up being trivial - if I get some time over the next week I may look into this. The other big chunk of work still to be done is device control - essentially something to replace the computer-based CueMix control applet which controls the MOTU's DSP mixer. The protocol has been identified but it's a case of working out a way of integrating this into freebob and hense into jack - currently jack doesn't support the concept of "control" connections. However, it is possible to fully control the MOTUs from the front panel, so the lack of mixer support is not a complete show-stopper. Regards jonathan From rob at curates-egg.org Wed Sep 27 03:52:53 2006 From: rob at curates-egg.org (Rob Fell) Date: Wed Sep 27 03:51:19 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Linux-friendly portable music player? In-Reply-To: <4519FE71.4030003@gmail.com> References: <20060926174001.38456068@mistral.stie> <4519F4EC.7000109@99b.org> <4519FE71.4030003@gmail.com> Message-ID: <451A2DD5.4050506@curates-egg.org> Leonardo Palomares wrote: > On 9/26/2006 8:50 PM, Chris Abbott wrote: >> It has voice recording also, along with a line-in jack. Audio playback >> is also good. > > Can you tell how good (quality) is the record on line in ? I've an older iAudio G3, but I've found record quality to be excellent (if you choose wav format). The mp3 compression has some unpleasant artifacts, but I may not be using the latest firmware. I use it for quick recordings when the computer is off - just hook the line-in via the patchbay. R From dsbaikov at gmail.com Wed Sep 27 04:14:00 2006 From: dsbaikov at gmail.com (Dmitry Baikov) Date: Wed Sep 27 04:14:08 2006 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [PATCH] oss2jack for kernel => 2.6.17 (with patch) In-Reply-To: <200609260939.16700.mista.tapas@gmx.net> References: <451870C0.6090102@virgilio.it> <1159229981.2899.170.camel@mindpipe> <200609260939.16700.mista.tapas@gmx.net> Message-ID: <70a871c80609270114k2d4952b4md4a47101455a3718@mail.gmail.com> I wrote about the same thing to FUSE maintainer, below is the reply. Since I don't have enough time, I dropped the idea. But it's still a cool project to do :) Regards, Dmitry. ----------------------- From: Miklos Szeredi > Oss2jack project - > http://fort.xdas.com/~kor/oss2jack/ - uses FUSD - Framework for > User-Space Drivers, which is unmaintained and doesn't seem to go in > the kernel anytime soon. > > So, FUSE is in the kernel already and implements more generic > functionality than FUSD. I think it is natural to extend FUSE a bit to > implement user-space devices. > The only things it lacks are: > 1) ioctl support - seems not hard to add It's not easy. The basic problem is that ioctl arguments are not well defined size and structure, and decoding/encoding them does not belong in FUSE. It would theoretically be possible to do the decoding/encoding in the userspace filesystem, but I don't yet see how that can be done nicely. > 2) mmap support, i.e. ability to share a buffer with user app - can't > estimate the difficulty. I can't either. It involves VM trickery, which is not an easy subject. > I'm willing to help adding this functionality or add it myself and > will appreciate a guidance. I'd rather not get involved in the coding part, at least until I see where this is heading. But I'm happy to answer any questions. From dsbaikov at gmail.com Wed Sep 27 04:28:25 2006 Fro