From osbusters at softhome.net Mon Jan 1 05:55:23 2007 From: osbusters at softhome.net (osbusters@softhome.net) Date: Mon Jan 1 05:55:32 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] dssi-vst Message-ID: Hi Well...I've exhausted myself trying to get this to work, and naturally a new poster to a mailing list should introduce himself etc But it's 5:45AM, I've got a wicked cold, my throat's on fire, and because I can't sleep...I've decided (unwisely) to keep trying to get this to work. I'm using an rpm (mdk) of rosegarden I rebuilt from a source rpm...it seems to work fine, and I can get those cruddy "trivial" synths to work fine. I guess I should be happy after hoping to record in linux now for 5 years...but it won't be a studio till I can get my Arturia vsti's, my native instruments purring along in time. So, How do I get dssi-vst to see my vsti's? I've tried everything I can think of, but nothing seems to work. here's the message from my last attempt: [ ~]# jack-dssi-host dssi-vst.so:Pro-53.dll jack-dssi-host: Warning: DSSI path not set jack-dssi-host: Defaulting to "/usr/local/lib/dssi:/usr/lib/dssi:/root/.dssi" VST_PATH not set, defaulting to /root/vst:/usr/local/lib/vst:/usr/lib/vst DSSI_PATH not set, defaulting to /root/.dssi:/usr/local/lib/dssi:/usr/lib/dssi RemoteVSTClient: executing /usr/local/lib/dssi/dssi-vst/dssi-vst-scanner /tmp/rplugin_qry_pxhrvE RemoteVSTClient: executing /usr/lib/dssi/dssi-vst/dssi-vst-scanner /tmp/rplugin_qry_pxhrvE DSSI VST plugin scanner v0.3 Copyright (c) 2004 Chris Cannam - Fervent Software Plugin scanner version mismatch VST_PATH not set, defaulting to /root/vst:/usr/local/lib/vst:/usr/lib/vst DSSI VST plugin scanner v0.3 Copyright (c) 2004 Chris Cannam - Fervent Software dssi-vst-scanner: Failed to open output file /tmp/rplugin_qry_pxhrvE : No such file or directory dssi-vst-scanner: Defaulting to stdout ?VST_PATH not set, defaulting to /root/vst:/usr/local/lib/vst:/usr/lib/vst jack-dssi-host: Error: Plugin label "Pro-53.dll" not found in library "dssi-vst.so" The things that stand out, of course are: VST_PATH not set & DSSI_PATH not set, + the "plugin-scanner mismatch" I am at my wits end with this. A few more days and I slog back to my windows DAW. Any help would be great! From atte.jensen at gmail.com Mon Jan 1 09:56:56 2007 From: atte.jensen at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Atte_Andr=E9_Jensen?=) Date: Mon Jan 1 09:57:07 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] ladspa reverb Message-ID: <45992138.5030001@gmail.com> Hi I often have trouble with the TAP plugins, esp the reverb. I found that CAPS plate sounds better and takes less processor power. And I often get breakup in sound (not xruns) in zynaddsubfx when using the TAP reverb. I also had denorm problems in the past. So, I'm interested in hearing others experiences with these plugins, do you use/avoid them? Regarding freeverb (installed from debian/unstable), it seems you can't change the room size to something resembling a hall or so. Am I missing something? And finally: what's your favorite stereo out reverb, both with 1 and two inputs? -- peace, love & harmony Atte http://www.atte.dk | quintet: http://www.anagrammer.dk | compositions: http://www.atte.dk/compositions From jamesmstone at gmail.com Mon Jan 1 09:57:10 2007 From: jamesmstone at gmail.com (James Stone) Date: Mon Jan 1 09:57:49 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] OT: Recommendations for Headphones and Mic Message-ID: <20070101145710.GA6588@moon.base> Hi all, I am planning to buy some reasonable headphones and an entry-level mic for voice recording.. I would be grateul if anyone here has some recommendations.. Best wishes, James From atte.jensen at gmail.com Mon Jan 1 10:17:02 2007 From: atte.jensen at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Atte_Andr=E9_Jensen?=) Date: Mon Jan 1 10:17:24 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] installing jack102 on debian Message-ID: <459925EE.5000402@gmail.com> Hi I'd like to install zynaddsubfx form cvs. In order to do that I need jack > 102 (100 is in debian/unstable). So would it be safe simply to uninstall jack with apt-get and then get+install jack from it's cvs? Reason I'm careful is (naturally) that alot of audio software is supposed to run on top of jack and I don't want to break my whole system... -- peace, love & harmony Atte http://www.atte.dk | quintet: http://www.anagrammer.dk | compositions: http://www.atte.dk/compositions From folderol at ukfsn.org Mon Jan 1 10:18:26 2007 From: folderol at ukfsn.org (Folderol) Date: Mon Jan 1 10:19:15 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Unfinished song - Need opinions In-Reply-To: <200612311851.25428.carotinobg@yahoo.it> References: <200612311851.25428.carotinobg@yahoo.it> Message-ID: <20070101151826.69f7c4a7@localhost> On Sun, 31 Dec 2006 18:51:25 +0100 Carotinho wrote: > Hi all! > I've uploaded a song I'm working on at > > http://www.archive.org/details/carotinho_dontlook > > It's a cover of "Don't look any further" by M-People. It hasn't yet a vocal > part, my singer is due to record her part sometime next year. I've already > mastered that with Jamin, just to try, so I'd like opinions about every > aspect:) A friend of mine is currently listening to it for an eventual guitar > part, even if I'm a bit afraid since he usually plays metal:) > > I've used Tutka, Rosegarden, Hydrogen, Fluidsynth w/Qsynth, Ardour, Jamin, > Zynaddsubfx. > > Byez! > Happy New Year:) > > Carotinho > Chiacchiera con i tuoi amici in tempo reale! > http://it.yahoo.com/mail_it/foot/*http://it.messenger.yahoo.com Very nicely done so far. I look forward to hearing the vocal and guitar additions! -- Will J G From cave.dnb at tiscali.fr Mon Jan 1 11:23:37 2007 From: cave.dnb at tiscali.fr (Nigel Henry) Date: Mon Jan 1 11:23:52 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] installing jack102 on debian In-Reply-To: <459925EE.5000402@gmail.com> References: <459925EE.5000402@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200701011723.37746.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> On Monday 01 January 2007 16:17, Atte Andr? Jensen wrote: > Hi > > I'd like to install zynaddsubfx form cvs. In order to do that I need > jack > 102 (100 is in debian/unstable). So would it be safe simply to > uninstall jack with apt-get and then get+install jack from it's cvs? > > Reason I'm careful is (naturally) that alot of audio software is > supposed to run on top of jack and I don't want to break my whole system... Hi Atte. I think you may well have problems if you remove jack, before installing the cvs version. I've just seen today, a very similar question regarding jack on the planetccrma list. If you use synaptic, it might be worth doing a trial removal of jack, before comitting yourself with the apply button, to just see if other stuff is going to be removed with jack. Nigel. From atte.jensen at gmail.com Mon Jan 1 12:21:05 2007 From: atte.jensen at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Atte_Andr=E9_Jensen?=) Date: Mon Jan 1 12:21:15 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] installing jack102 on debian In-Reply-To: <200701011723.37746.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> References: <459925EE.5000402@gmail.com> <200701011723.37746.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> Message-ID: <45994301.4010307@gmail.com> Nigel Henry wrote: > If you use synaptic, it might be > worth doing a trial removal of jack, before comitting yourself with the apply > button, to just see if other stuff is going to be removed with jack. I use apt-get, and you're right: ajstrup:~# apt-get remove libjack0.100.0-0 Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree... Done The following packages will be REMOVED alsaplayer-jack ams freewheeling gnusound gtk-qt-engine gtk2-engines-gtk-qt jack-rack jackd jackeq k3b kaddressbook kcontrol kdebase-bin kdelibs4c2a khelpcenter kicker kphone libarts1c2a libfluidsynth1 libjack0.100.0-0 libjack0.100.0-dev libjackasyn0 libk3b2 libkcal2b libkdepim1a libkleopatra1 libkonq4 libktnef1 mhwaveedit mixxx mplayer mplayer-skin-blue muse qjackctl qsynth rezound rosegarden spiralsynthmodular swami terminatorx timidity twinkle xmms-jackasyn xmms2-plugin-jack I think I'll postspone it a bit :-) -- peace, love & harmony Atte http://www.atte.dk | quintet: http://www.anagrammer.dk | compositions: http://www.atte.dk/compositions From yves at jazzcomputer.org Mon Jan 1 12:40:33 2007 From: yves at jazzcomputer.org (Yves Potin) Date: Mon Jan 1 12:40:43 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] dssi-vst In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20070101174033.GF18470@localhost> Le 01 Jan ? 03:55, osbusters@softhome.net ecrivait: > [ ~]# jack-dssi-host dssi-vst.so:Pro-53.dll > > jack-dssi-host: Warning: DSSI path not set [...] > VST_PATH not set, defaulting to /root/vst:/usr/local/lib/vst:/usr/lib/vst > DSSI_PATH not set, defaulting to > /root/.dssi:/usr/local/lib/dssi:/usr/lib/dssi [...] > jack-dssi-host: Error: Plugin label "Pro-53.dll" not found in library > "dssi-vst.so" Hi. First, it seems that you try to use your software as root, which is *evil* :). Second, for launching Crystal VST, I first enter this (as a normal user of course, and in the same shell than the one I'll call the VST juste after) : export DSSI_PATH=/usr/lib/dssi export VST_PATH=/home/yves/musique/vst/Crystal:/home/yves/musique/vst/effets:/ This permits jack-dssi-host to find Crytal, and then the plugins in /home/yves/musique/vst/effets HTH, Y. From linuxmedia4 at netscape.net Mon Jan 1 12:57:09 2007 From: linuxmedia4 at netscape.net (linuxmedia4@netscape.net) Date: Mon Jan 1 12:56:04 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] OT: Recommendations for Headphones and Mic In-Reply-To: <20070101145710.GA6588@moon.base> References: <20070101145710.GA6588@moon.base> Message-ID: <45994B75.4010501@netscape.net> jamesmstone@gmail.com wrote: > I am planning to buy some reasonable headphones and an > entry-level mic for voice recording.. I would be grateul if > anyone here has some recommendations.. > > Best wishes, > > James Hi, I can't comment on headphones, but I have a SHURE SM57 mic that I've had for a very long time and am very happy with the sound. It (and the SM58) seem to be an industry standard, but I don't recall why. Maybe it has to do with Versatility and/or price? You may want to do a google search for this mic or the SM58. So many times I've seen concerts on TV and saw them using either the SM57 or SM58 (most likely it was the SM57 because I believe the SM58 has a different look). Keep in mind that people actually buy mics based on how they sound with their voice. But I found the SM57 to be a very versatile mic for both voice and accoustic instruments. I know you're looking for an "entry level mic", But this could be a mic you use for a very long time, and for many purposes. Rocco From brad at sonaural.com Mon Jan 1 13:48:39 2007 From: brad at sonaural.com (Brad Fuller) Date: Mon Jan 1 13:48:49 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] OT: Recommendations for Headphones and Mic In-Reply-To: <20070101145710.GA6588@moon.base> References: <20070101145710.GA6588@moon.base> Message-ID: <45995787.2020204@sonaural.com> James Stone wrote: > Hi all, > > I am planning to buy some reasonable headphones and an > entry-level mic for voice recording.. I would be grateul if > anyone here has some recommendations.. > what will you use the headphone and mic for? Are they both for singing? For VO work? What is your price range? -- brad fuller http://www.Sonaural.com/ +1 (408) 799-6124 From jamesmstone at gmail.com Mon Jan 1 14:10:44 2007 From: jamesmstone at gmail.com (James Stone) Date: Mon Jan 1 14:10:55 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] OT: Recommendations for Headphones and Mic In-Reply-To: <45995787.2020204@sonaural.com> References: <20070101145710.GA6588@moon.base> <45995787.2020204@sonaural.com> Message-ID: <20070101191044.GA7095@moon.base> On Mon, Jan 01, 2007 at 10:48:39AM -0800, Brad Fuller wrote: > James Stone wrote: > >Hi all, > > > >I am planning to buy some reasonable headphones and an > >entry-level mic for voice recording.. I would be grateul if > >anyone here has some recommendations.. > > > > what will you use the headphone and mic for? Are they both for singing? > For VO work? Yes.. for singing. > > What is your price range? > I'm really doing this on a budget.. The soundcard is a real bottleneck (SBLive) so there is no point (as I see it) spending masses on the mic/headphones.. I was thinking in the region of 50 GBP for each.. The Audio-Technica ATH-D40 look interesting.. any thoughts? James From contact at leonard-ritter.com Mon Jan 1 16:12:53 2007 From: contact at leonard-ritter.com (Leonard Ritter) Date: Mon Jan 1 16:28:31 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [ANN] Aldrin 0.8 (Raccoon) Message-ID: <1167685973.5532.8.camel@localhost> Aldrin is an open source modular sequencer/tracker for the Linux operating system. We're proud to announce the release of Aldrin 0.8 (Raccoon), featuring a new default XML/FLAC/ZIP based fileformat named "CCM", the "Lunar" dsp scripting engine, sample exporting, saving/loading envelopes, a few new UI improvements and the usual set of bugfixes. Beware: Aldrin, libzzub and pyzzub have been split into separate packages. You will find additional information on the download page. http://www.leonard-ritter.com/announcement_aldrin_0_8_raccoon Also, Dave Phillips of linux-sound.org fame wrote a great review of Aldrin for his blog at Linux Journal, featuring a small Interview as well. Check it out! http://www.linuxjournal.com/node/1000156 -- Leonard Ritter -- Freelance Art & Logic -- http://www.leonard-ritter.com From yves at jazzcomputer.org Mon Jan 1 16:56:12 2007 From: yves at jazzcomputer.org (Yves Potin) Date: Mon Jan 1 16:57:34 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] ladspa reverb In-Reply-To: <45992138.5030001@gmail.com> References: <45992138.5030001@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20070101215612.GA30038@localhost> Le 01 Jan ? 15:56, Atte Andr? Jensen ecrivait: > So, I'm interested in hearing others experiences with these plugins, do > you use/avoid them? Hi. I also encounter important problems with TAP plugins. I have even rather old Ardour sessions that can hardly been used with TAP reverb activated... After hours and hours searching, I've also found that Zynaddsubfx doesn't suffer the presence of an Om patch using any TAP plugin, not only the chorus or the reverb but even the pink noise generator. Zyn generates rains of cracks and noises that immediately stops when deleting any TAP plugin from Om. Another problem is that TAP plugins compile with GCC 4, but doesn't work normally, especially the chorus, which requires GCC 3. > And finally: what's your favorite stereo out reverb, both with 1 and two > inputs? That's really a problem for me, because I've found no other reverb of such a quality in the linux world. Instead, I'm turning to VST effects but none of them are free (as in free speech), and the worst appears with Ambiance freeware, which seems excellent ( http://www.smartelectronix.com/%7Emagnus/ ). I've found absolutely no way to save any user preset or even access to the factory presets. Most of the VSTs I've tried can't be used with FST, which seem to be able to save something like a preset, because of an X Window problem. I've related this in an e mail posted here (Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2006 12:37:27 +0100), and had no answer... If someone would have an idea, it would be of a great help... Thanks in advance, Y. P.S. I've listened to your last version of Ro, which for me sounds really great :). From brad at sonaural.com Mon Jan 1 17:29:07 2007 From: brad at sonaural.com (Brad Fuller) Date: Mon Jan 1 17:29:34 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] OT: Recommendations for Headphones and Mic In-Reply-To: <20070101191044.GA7095@moon.base> References: <20070101145710.GA6588@moon.base> <45995787.2020204@sonaural.com> <20070101191044.GA7095@moon.base> Message-ID: <45998B33.7040103@sonaural.com> James Stone wrote: > On Mon, Jan 01, 2007 at 10:48:39AM -0800, Brad Fuller wrote: >> James Stone wrote: >>> Hi all, >>> >>> I am planning to buy some reasonable headphones and an >>> entry-level mic for voice recording.. I would be grateul if >>> anyone here has some recommendations.. >>> >> what will you use the headphone and mic for? Are they both for singing? >> For VO work? > > Yes.. for singing. > >> What is your price range? >> > > I'm really doing this on a budget.. The soundcard is a real > bottleneck (SBLive) so there is no point (as I see it) spending > masses on the mic/headphones.. I was thinking in the region of > 50 GBP for each.. The Audio-Technica ATH-D40 look interesting.. > any thoughts? If it's for singing in the studio, you might check out open design headphones opposed to closed design. This makes it better to hear yourself and others around you when singing. I particularly like Sennheiser because most of their products have replaceable parts. The SM58 mentioned before is a perfectly fine mic for those on a tight studio budget. I would suggest that before the SM57. That's about $100. Dynamic mics are generally going to be cheaper than condensers or ribbons when matching quality to quality. But, there are many new condensers out and the prices are competitive. You might fair better auditioning several of the lower priced condensers if you are going to use this for studio singing. Check out the AKG Perception mics. They are inexpensive. I've never used one, so I don't know anything about them except they are inexpensive and mfr'd in China. Audio-Technica has several inexpensive condensers as well. Shure has an all-around rugged condenser for vocals: SM86. If you want a rugged handheld mic, the SM58 is good. But, you can't beat the Electro-Voice 635A. It use to be advertised as being able to hammer nails and still work fine. It'll never break. I would determine what exactly you'll be using the mic for (you might want a more versatile mic for your first), your budget and then check out the web prices at places like sweetwater or BSW. -- brad fuller http://www.Sonaural.com/ +1 (408) 799-6124 From chr.ohm at gmx.net Mon Jan 1 17:52:39 2007 From: chr.ohm at gmx.net (Christian Ohm) Date: Mon Jan 1 17:52:53 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] installing jack102 on debian In-Reply-To: <45994301.4010307@gmail.com> References: <459925EE.5000402@gmail.com> <200701011723.37746.cave.dnb@tiscali.fr> <45994301.4010307@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20070101225239.GS3085@localdomain> 0.102.20 is in experimental. There are binaries for AMD64, but not for x86, but it builds and installs without problems. -- And on the eighth day, we bulldozed it. From lars.luthman at gmail.com Mon Jan 1 20:58:33 2007 From: lars.luthman at gmail.com (Lars Luthman) Date: Mon Jan 1 20:58:49 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] OT: Recommendations for Headphones and Mic In-Reply-To: <20070101191044.GA7095@moon.base> References: <20070101145710.GA6588@moon.base> <45995787.2020204@sonaural.com> <20070101191044.GA7095@moon.base> Message-ID: <1167703113.23578.4.camel@c213-100-20-22.swipnet.se> On Mon, 2007-01-01 at 19:10 +0000, James Stone wrote: > On Mon, Jan 01, 2007 at 10:48:39AM -0800, Brad Fuller wrote: > > James Stone wrote: > > >I am planning to buy some reasonable headphones and an > > >entry-level mic for voice recording.. I would be grateul if > > >anyone here has some recommendations.. > > > > what will you use the headphone and mic for? Are they both for singing? > > For VO work? > > Yes.. for singing. > > > What is your price range? > > I'm really doing this on a budget.. The soundcard is a real > bottleneck (SBLive) so there is no point (as I see it) spending > masses on the mic/headphones.. I was thinking in the region of > 50 GBP for each.. The Audio-Technica ATH-D40 look interesting.. > any thoughts? If you spend a little bit more on the microphone you can get a Samson C01U USB mic that probably has a better ADC with less noise than your SoundBlaster. I don't know how it compares to other non-USB microphones though. -- Lars Luthman - please encrypt any email sent to me if possible PGP key: http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x04C77E2E Fingerprint: FCA7 C790 19B9 322D EB7A E1B3 4371 4650 04C7 7E2E -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part Url : http://music.columbia.edu/pipermail/linux-audio-user/attachments/20070102/507ddb09/attachment.bin From pw_lists at slinkp.com Mon Jan 1 22:47:34 2007 From: pw_lists at slinkp.com (Paul Winkler) Date: Mon Jan 1 22:47:53 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] QSynth dumb question In-Reply-To: <37941.194.65.103.1.1167385573.squirrel@www.rncbc.org> References: <20061229060419.GA7517@slinkp.com> <37941.194.65.103.1.1167385573.squirrel@www.rncbc.org> Message-ID: <20070102034734.GA7467@slinkp.com> On Fri, Dec 29, 2006 at 09:46:13AM -0000, Rui Nuno Capela wrote: > you select a bank and a program from the list. once selected you're about > to assign that bank/program combination to one midi channel, which will > in turn render sound from that instrument selection. the preview option > (which is another misleading name btw) just makes the changes audible > while you're selecting in the edit dialog, even before you hit ok and make > it permanent. > > you just can't add nor remove banks/programs in anyway. the ones you see > listed are the ones provided by the current soundfont stack. nothing more, > nothing less. Thanks for the help, Rui. I haven't worked with soundfonts before and I think I was just assuming a more "typical" synth UI where you can just browse through single "sounds" and change them. Now I think I understand that soundfonts are collections of sounds that have their own internal idea of program numbers. Would it be possible for "preview" to be on by default? It seems to me it's less than ideally helpful if you have to select it every time. Or maybe it should remember its state rather than always resetting to "off". > to change that you have to change soundfonts on setup. pay > attention to soundfont layering order, as identically numbered > banks/programs are overriden by soundfonts which are loaded last. you can > cope with that by tinckering with bank offsets. Ah, I think that was part of my problem. I added a soundfont and my presets suddenly sounded different and I got very confused :-) Offsetting one of my soundfonts helped me sort it out. -- Paul Winkler http://www.slinkp.com From pw_lists at slinkp.com Mon Jan 1 23:53:19 2007 From: pw_lists at slinkp.com (Paul Winkler) Date: Tue Jan 2 00:53:42 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] nice piano In-Reply-To: <20061215035729.GC8384@slinkp.com> References: <20061215023608.GB8384@slinkp.com> <20061215035729.GC8384@slinkp.com> Message-ID: <20070102045319.GB7467@slinkp.com> A mini-review for those also looking for decent piano soundfonts: So far with help from this list I've found the following usable, in order of preference: 1) WST25FStein_00Sep22.SF2 Free and quite natural-sounding to my ears, from http://www.pianosounds.com/freesoundfont.htm 2) TrachtmanSteinC_XFade2_2001Aug16.sf2 $5 US, by far the most "hi-fi" of the three, but a bit bright for my taste, also it's recorded a bit lower so you'll need to increase the output volume. from http://www.pianosounds.com/ 3) NS_Piano.sf2 Free, has pleasant tone, if a bit lacking in the bass and treble; also the stereo image is very narrow, almost mono. the creator describes it as "a natural, woody, mellow sounding piano", from http://www.naturalstudio.co.uk/ns_piano.html -- Paul Winkler http://www.slinkp.com From ardour at semiosix.com Tue Jan 2 03:37:10 2007 From: ardour at semiosix.com (John Anderson) Date: Tue Jan 2 03:37:37 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] OT: Recommendations for Headphones and Mic In-Reply-To: <20070101191044.GA7095@moon.base> References: <20070101145710.GA6588@moon.base> <45995787.2020204@sonaural.com> <20070101191044.GA7095@moon.base> Message-ID: <1167727030.13281.6.camel@groovious.semiosix.local> On Mon, 2007-01-01 at 19:10 +0000, James Stone wrote: > On Mon, Jan 01, 2007 at 10:48:39AM -0800, Brad Fuller wrote: > > James Stone wrote: > > >I am planning to buy some reasonable headphones and an > > >entry-level mic for voice recording.. I would be grateul if > > >anyone here has some recommendations.. > > > > > > > what will you use the headphone and mic for? Are they both for singing? > > For VO work? > > Yes.. for singing. For large-diaphragm condensers, check out the SE Electronics SE2200A, and the Studio Projects C1 which has a more pronounced top-end. The SM58 is a dynamic mic, so the frequency response rolls off somewhat after about 15KHz. On the other hand, it's therefore tough, which is why it's so popular for live work. Also, it's designed to be used up close, so it rolls off the bass response to compensate for the proximity effect. For headphones. I have a set of AKG K240 which work fine for me. Although they have a higher impedance than most headphones, so you really have to crank up the output levels. bye John From rncbc at rncbc.org Tue Jan 2 03:42:33 2007 From: rncbc at rncbc.org (Rui Nuno Capela) Date: Tue Jan 2 03:43:53 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] QSynth dumb question In-Reply-To: <20070102034734.GA7467@slinkp.com> References: <20061229060419.GA7517@slinkp.com> <37941.194.65.103.1.1167385573.squirrel@www.rncbc.org> <20070102034734.GA7467@slinkp.com> Message-ID: <3154.194.65.103.1.1167727353.squirrel@www.rncbc.org> On Tue, January 2, 2007 03:47, Paul Winkler wrote: > > Would it be possible for "preview" to be on by default? It seems to > me it's less than ideally helpful if you have to select it every time. Or > maybe it should remember its state rather than always resetting to "off". > I believe I made it to be remembered long ago. Are you sure the "Preview" state is not recalled from what it was last time you accepted it by pressing the OK button? Happy New Year. Cheers. -- rncbc aka Rui Nuno Capela rncbc@rncbc.org From atte.jensen at gmail.com Tue Jan 2 04:08:30 2007 From: atte.jensen at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Atte_Andr=E9_Jensen?=) Date: Tue Jan 2 04:09:10 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] ladspa reverb In-Reply-To: <20070101215612.GA30038@localhost> References: <45992138.5030001@gmail.com> <20070101215612.GA30038@localhost> Message-ID: <459A210E.1020601@gmail.com> Yves Potin wrote: > I also encounter important problems with TAP plugins. I have > even rather old Ardour sessions that can hardly been used with TAP reverb > activated... > After hours and hours searching, I've also found that Zynaddsubfx > doesn't suffer the presence of an Om patch using any TAP plugin, not only > the chorus or the reverb but even the pink noise generator. Zyn generates > rains of cracks and noises that immediately stops when deleting any TAP > plugin from Om. > Another problem is that TAP plugins compile with GCC 4, but > doesn't work normally, especially the chorus, which requires GCC 3. Thanks for this report. Sounds like both zynaddsubfx and TAP have problems. From what I understand Paul (author of zyn) became aware of certain realtime issues only *after* having written zyn. Now fixing them would require a rewrite of quite alot of zyn. At least the task is so huge that it's the main reason he more or less left the project alone. So what we end up with is one of the most promissing and unique synthesizers in linux audio being left flawed and unmaintained :-( > That's really a problem for me, because I've found no other reverb > of such a quality in the linux world. Instead, I'm turning to VST > effects but none of them are free (as in free speech), and the worst > appears with Ambiance freeware, which seems excellent ( > http://www.smartelectronix.com/%7Emagnus/ ). I've found absolutely no way > to save any user preset or even access to the factory presets. Most of > the VSTs I've tried can't be used with FST, which seem to be able to save > something like a preset, because of an X Window problem. I've related this > in an e mail posted here (Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2006 12:37:27 +0100), and had > no answer... Maybe I'll have to look at VST's then... -- peace, love & harmony Atte http://www.atte.dk | quintet: http://www.anagrammer.dk | compositions: http://www.atte.dk/compositions From louis.gorenfeld at gmail.com Mon Jan 1 16:53:47 2007 From: louis.gorenfeld at gmail.com (Louis Gorenfeld) Date: Tue Jan 2 04:39:36 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] ladspa reverb In-Reply-To: <45992138.5030001@gmail.com> References: <45992138.5030001@gmail.com> Message-ID: <21326c290701011353w62e1891aq85dd631f092ad239@mail.gmail.com> Hi Atte, I always use CAPS Plate now, too. I used to use the TAP reverb, but the CAPS Plate sounds smoother to me. I would also like to know about other free Linux reverbs. On 1/1/07, Atte Andr? Jensen wrote: > > Hi > > I often have trouble with the TAP plugins, esp the reverb. I found that > CAPS plate sounds better and takes less processor power. And I often get > breakup in sound (not xruns) in zynaddsubfx when using the TAP reverb. I > also had denorm problems in the past. > > So, I'm interested in hearing others experiences with these plugins, do > you use/avoid them? > > Regarding freeverb (installed from debian/unstable), it seems you can't > change the room size to something resembling a hall or so. Am I missing > something? > > And finally: what's your favorite stereo out reverb, both with 1 and two > inputs? > > > -- > peace, love & harmony > Atte > > http://www.atte.dk | quintet: http://www.anagrammer.dk > | compositions: http://www.atte.dk/compositions > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://music.columbia.edu/pipermail/linux-audio-user/attachments/20070101/e761f99c/attachment.html From jamesmstone at gmail.com Tue Jan 2 04:44:51 2007 From: jamesmstone at gmail.com (James Stone) Date: Tue Jan 2 04:45:01 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] OT: Recommendations for Headphones and Mic In-Reply-To: <1167703113.23578.4.camel@c213-100-20-22.swipnet.se> References: <20070101145710.GA6588@moon.base> <45995787.2020204@sonaural.com> <20070101191044.GA7095@moon.base> <1167703113.23578.4.camel@c213-100-20-22.swipnet.se> Message-ID: <20070102094451.GA5945@moon.base> On Tue, Jan 02, 2007 at 02:58:33AM +0100, Lars Luthman wrote: > On Mon, 2007-01-01 at 19:10 +0000, James Stone wrote: > > On Mon, Jan 01, 2007 at 10:48:39AM -0800, Brad Fuller wrote: > > > James Stone wrote: > > > >I am planning to buy some reasonable headphones and an > > > >entry-level mic for voice recording.. I would be grateul if > > > >anyone here has some recommendations.. > > > > > > what will you use the headphone and mic for? Are they both for singing? > > > For VO work? > > > > Yes.. for singing. > > > > > What is your price range? > > > > I'm really doing this on a budget.. The soundcard is a real > > bottleneck (SBLive) so there is no point (as I see it) spending > > masses on the mic/headphones.. I was thinking in the region of > > 50 GBP for each.. The Audio-Technica ATH-D40 look interesting.. > > any thoughts? > > If you spend a little bit more on the microphone you can get a Samson > C01U USB mic that probably has a better ADC with less noise than your > SoundBlaster. I don't know how it compares to other non-USB microphones > though. > Sounds an interesting option. How would it work with Jack for playback of an audio track (thru the SBLive?) whilst recording? James From atte.jensen at gmail.com Tue Jan 2 05:07:43 2007 From: atte.jensen at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Atte_Andr=E9_Jensen?=) Date: Tue Jan 2 05:07:56 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] OT: Recommendations for Headphones and Mic In-Reply-To: <20070102094451.GA5945@moon.base> References: <20070101145710.GA6588@moon.base> <45995787.2020204@sonaural.com> <20070101191044.GA7095@moon.base> <1167703113.23578.4.camel@c213-100-20-22.swipnet.se> <20070102094451.GA5945@moon.base> Message-ID: <459A2EEF.5070204@gmail.com> James Stone wrote: > How would it work with Jack for > playback of an audio track (thru the SBLive?) whilst recording? In qjackctl (I'm guessing that's what you interface with jack through) you select the Samson as input and you SB as output... -- peace, love & harmony Atte http://www.atte.dk | quintet: http://www.anagrammer.dk | compositions: http://www.atte.dk/compositions From jamesmstone at gmail.com Tue Jan 2 05:24:05 2007 From: jamesmstone at gmail.com (James Stone) Date: Tue Jan 2 05:25:56 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] OT: Recommendations for Headphones and Mic In-Reply-To: <459A2EEF.5070204@gmail.com> References: <20070101145710.GA6588@moon.base> <45995787.2020204@sonaural.com> <20070101191044.GA7095@moon.base> <1167703113.23578.4.camel@c213-100-20-22.swipnet.se> <20070102094451.GA5945@moon.base> <459A2EEF.5070204@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20070102102405.GB5945@moon.base> On Tue, Jan 02, 2007 at 11:07:43AM +0100, Atte Andr? Jensen wrote: > James Stone wrote: > > >How would it work with Jack for > >playback of an audio track (thru the SBLive?) whilst recording? > > In qjackctl (I'm guessing that's what you interface with jack through) > you select the Samson as input and you SB as output... > Wow, really difficult then!! :) I am really coming round to this mic, particularly as it seems I would need a separate mic amp for the Shure SM58.. Is this correct? The Samson C01U seems to get some variable reviews though.. Several people complain about it having a built-in hiss.. The SBLive is not exactly silent though (!!) so I guess this might not be a major problem. Have you used the C01U? What's the noise level like with it? Acceptable for music? James From v2 at iki.fi Tue Jan 2 06:10:55 2007 From: v2 at iki.fi (Sampo Savolainen) Date: Tue Jan 2 06:11:07 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] ladspa reverb Message-ID: <1167736255.459a3dbf20bf3@www3.helsinki.fi> Quoting Louis Gorenfeld : > Hi Atte, > I always use CAPS Plate now, too. I used to use the TAP reverb, but > the > CAPS Plate sounds smoother to me. I would also like to know about other > free Linux reverbs. How about the simply named "Stereo Reverb" by Fons Adriaensen, available at http://www.kokkinizita.net/linuxaudio/ladspa/index.html (see section rev-plugins)? Sampo From dlphillips at woh.rr.com Tue Jan 2 06:27:21 2007 From: dlphillips at woh.rr.com (Dave Phillips) Date: Tue Jan 2 06:15:36 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] 64 studio In-Reply-To: <458B1289.9080200@block4.com> References: <4589C4D0.1090104@block4.com> <8200bab70612201758r11355c8ax5c63d49bccee9c18@mail.gmail.com> <458B082C.6080609@block4.com> <8200bab70612211445o700bf503uf20d80adde4e8f61@mail.gmail.com> <458B1289.9080200@block4.com> Message-ID: <459A4199.7040103@woh.rr.com> Malte Steiner wrote: > Chuckk and Dave, please tell me how you did the compile, there is a > problem with mismatching jackdevel-lib version in the Debian AMD64 > repo, did it gave you trouble? IIRC we're talking about compiling Csound5, yes ? I checked my old mail to the Csound list, I had problems with the FLTK stuff compiling on the AMD64. I received a helpful suggestion via this list (after no response on the Cs list) and discovered that the compiler optimization switch (-O) should be removed. I removed it, and voila, I have a working Csound5 on an AMD64 machine. It sounds like you have/had a problem with JACK versioning ? Did you resolve that issue ? Best, dp From fons at kokkinizita.net Tue Jan 2 07:23:23 2007 From: fons at kokkinizita.net (Fons Adriaensen) Date: Tue Jan 2 07:20:01 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] ladspa reverb In-Reply-To: <1167736255.459a3dbf20bf3@www3.helsinki.fi> References: <1167736255.459a3dbf20bf3@www3.helsinki.fi> Message-ID: <20070102122323.GA5864@linux-1.site> On Tue, Jan 02, 2007 at 01:10:55PM +0200, Sampo Savolainen wrote: > How about the simply named "Stereo Reverb" by Fons Adriaensen, available at > http://www.kokkinizita.net/linuxaudio/ladspa/index.html (see section > rev-plugins)? This was one of my first attempts, and I'm currently not very happy with the result (but it could still be useful). It will be replaced some time by two new ones based on the reverb used in Aeolus. That one was specifically designed as a 'large hall' or church reverb. It has much more controls that the ones visible in Aeolus. I also have this as a separate JACK application (which is my preferred way of using it in Ardour), but the source code is not in a state fit for release :-). Also the Aella convolution reverb announced at LAC2006 is still in development and awaiting some free time to be finished. While Aella was originally designed to use real measured impulse responses, it will include a mode in wich you can 'design' a synthetic reverb that doesn't need to be natural at all, e.g. a 'gated' or 'reverse' reverb. Things in this area will start moving again in a few months when I'm settled a bit in Italy. -- FA Lascia la spina, cogli la rosa. From mobarre at gmail.com Tue Jan 2 07:30:42 2007 From: mobarre at gmail.com (Marc-Olivier Barre) Date: Tue Jan 2 07:30:54 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Jack convolve compilation with gcc 4.1.0 (was: ladspa reverb) Message-ID: <3c808a150701020430v70c083abl25b66d8c0b68b50e@mail.gmail.com> On 1/2/07, Fons Adriaensen wrote: > On Tue, Jan 02, 2007 at 01:10:55PM +0200, Sampo Savolainen wrote: > > > How about the simply named "Stereo Reverb" by Fons Adriaensen, available at > > http://www.kokkinizita.net/linuxaudio/ladspa/index.html (see section > > rev-plugins)? > > This was one of my first attempts, and I'm currently not very happy > with the result (but it could still be useful). It will be replaced > some time by two new ones based on the reverb used in Aeolus. > > That one was specifically designed as a 'large hall' or church reverb. > It has much more controls that the ones visible in Aeolus. I also have > this as a separate JACK application (which is my preferred way of using > it in Ardour), but the source code is not in a state fit for release :-). > > Also the Aella convolution reverb announced at LAC2006 is still in > development and awaiting some free time to be finished. While Aella > was originally designed to use real measured impulse responses, it > will include a mode in wich you can 'design' a synthetic reverb that > doesn't need to be natural at all, e.g. a 'gated' or 'reverse' reverb. > Things in this area will start moving again in a few months when I'm > settled a bit in Italy. > > -- > FA > > Lascia la spina, cogli la rosa. > Talking about reverbs and convolution, I gave a try to jack-convolve. It seems it does not compile with gcc 4.1.0.... asm problem (even with the latest stable). Does someone knows of a patch to fix this ? __________________ Marc-Olivier Barre, Markinoko. From mista.tapas at gmx.net Tue Jan 2 08:34:04 2007 From: mista.tapas at gmx.net (Florian Schmidt) Date: Tue Jan 2 08:31:48 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Jack convolve compilation with gcc 4.1.0 (was: ladspa reverb) In-Reply-To: <3c808a150701020430v70c083abl25b66d8c0b68b50e@mail.gmail.com> References: <3c808a150701020430v70c083abl25b66d8c0b68b50e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200701021434.04720.mista.tapas@gmx.net> On Tuesday 02 January 2007 13:30, Marc-Olivier Barre wrote: > On 1/2/07, Fons Adriaensen wrote: > > On Tue, Jan 02, 2007 at 01:10:55PM +0200, Sampo Savolainen wrote: > > > How about the simply named "Stereo Reverb" by Fons Adriaensen, > > > available at http://www.kokkinizita.net/linuxaudio/ladspa/index.html > > > (see section rev-plugins)? > > > > This was one of my first attempts, and I'm currently not very happy > > with the result (but it could still be useful). It will be replaced > > some time by two new ones based on the reverb used in Aeolus. > > > > That one was specifically designed as a 'large hall' or church reverb. > > It has much more controls that the ones visible in Aeolus. I also have > > this as a separate JACK application (which is my preferred way of using > > it in Ardour), but the source code is not in a state fit for release :-). > > > > Also the Aella convolution reverb announced at LAC2006 is still in > > development and awaiting some free time to be finished. While Aella > > was originally designed to use real measured impulse responses, it > > will include a mode in wich you can 'design' a synthetic reverb that > > doesn't need to be natural at all, e.g. a 'gated' or 'reverse' reverb. > > Things in this area will start moving again in a few months when I'm > > settled a bit in Italy. > > > > -- > > FA > > > > Lascia la spina, cogli la rosa. > > Talking about reverbs and convolution, I gave a try to jack-convolve. > It seems it does not compile with gcc 4.1.0.... asm problem (even with > the latest stable). > > Does someone knows of a patch to fix this ? It builds fine here with gcc 4.1.2. jack_convolve only uses ASM through libconvolve which can be built using libDSP (which in turn contains some ASM code).. Let us see the whole error messsage maybe? Thanks, Flo -- Palimm Palimm! http://tapas.affenbande.org From mathias.friman at knorca.se Tue Jan 2 08:35:23 2007 From: mathias.friman at knorca.se (Mathias Friman) Date: Tue Jan 2 08:37:05 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] OT: Recommendations for Headphones and Mic Message-ID: <6ac225f5934047f4304dd9861d8750d6@knorca.se> ----Ursprungligt meddelande----- From: Lars Luthman lars.luthman@gmail.com > If you spend a little bit more on the microphone you can get a Samson > C01U USB mic that probably has a better ADC with less noise than your > SoundBlaster. I don't know how it compares to other non-USB microphones > though. However, there are some issues with the C01U-mic. Don't know if they are resolved. http://audacityteam.org/wiki/index.php?title=USB_mic_on_Linux#Samson_C01U_USB-microphone My woman has one of those, and I haven't put it to any serious tests, but it seems that it needs some special mixer-software available only on the Microsoft-platform. //Mathias From sstubbs at shout.net Tue Jan 2 09:04:20 2007 From: sstubbs at shout.net (The Other) Date: Tue Jan 2 09:05:19 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] nice piano In-Reply-To: <20070102045319.GB7467@slinkp.com> References: <20061215023608.GB8384@slinkp.com> <20061215035729.GC8384@slinkp.com> <20070102045319.GB7467@slinkp.com> Message-ID: <200701020804.20281.sstubbs@shout.net> On Monday 01 January 2007 10:53 pm, Paul Winkler wrote: > A mini-review for those also looking for decent piano soundfonts: > > So far with help from this list I've found the following usable, > in order of preference: > > 1) WST25FStein_00Sep22.SF2 > Free and quite natural-sounding to my ears, > from http://www.pianosounds.com/freesoundfont.htm > > 2) TrachtmanSteinC_XFade2_2001Aug16.sf2 > $5 US, by far the most "hi-fi" of the three, but a bit > bright for my taste, also it's recorded a bit lower so you'll need > to increase the output volume. > from http://www.pianosounds.com/ > > 3) NS_Piano.sf2 > Free, has pleasant tone, if a bit lacking in the bass and treble; > also the stereo image is very narrow, almost mono. > the creator describes it as "a natural, woody, mellow sounding > piano", from http://www.naturalstudio.co.uk/ns_piano.html At $35 USD, StudioAX's Grand Piano One soundfont has pleased me since the mid 1990's. It's available only through Internet download. The following link takes you to the download section where you can listen to MP3 demos. All upgrades are free and have worked for me since I first got version 1.1. http://studioax.desertsites.net/download.html Stephen. From lars.luthman at gmail.com Tue Jan 2 08:55:04 2007 From: lars.luthman at gmail.com (Lars Luthman) Date: Tue Jan 2 09:09:47 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] OT: Recommendations for Headphones and Mic In-Reply-To: <6ac225f5934047f4304dd9861d8750d6@knorca.se> References: <6ac225f5934047f4304dd9861d8750d6@knorca.se> Message-ID: <1167746104.11726.7.camel@c213-100-20-22.swipnet.se> On Tue, 2007-01-02 at 14:35 +0100, Mathias Friman wrote: > ----Ursprungligt meddelande----- > From: Lars Luthman lars.luthman@gmail.com > > > If you spend a little bit more on the microphone you can get a Samson > > C01U USB mic that probably has a better ADC with less noise than your > > SoundBlaster. I don't know how it compares to other non-USB microphones > > though. > > However, there are some issues with the C01U-mic. Don't know if they are > resolved. > > http://audacityteam.org/wiki/index.php?title=USB_mic_on_Linux#Samson_C01U_USB-microphone > > My woman has one of those, and I haven't put it to any serious tests, but it seems that it needs some > special mixer-software available only on the Microsoft-platform. It doesn't _need_ it, it works without it. It just shows up as a stereo device in alsamixer instead of mono which is a bit annoying, and you may need to tweak the gain of both channels to get optimal (mono) output. I haven't experimented with it since my computer sounds too much like a leafblower for me to worry about whether the dynamic range is 83 or 96 dB. I really don't know anything about ALSA driver coding, but if someone could get Samson to provide the optimal formula for combining the two gain controls into one it shouldn't be too hard to hack the USB driver to do that. -- Lars Luthman - please encrypt any email sent to me if possible PGP key: http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x04C77E2E Fingerprint: FCA7 C790 19B9 322D EB7A E1B3 4371 4650 04C7 7E2E -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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It's available only through Internet download. The > following link takes you to the download section where you can listen > to MP3 demos. All upgrades are free and have worked for me since I > first got version 1.1. > > http://studioax.desertsites.net/download.html > > Stephen. That sounds pretty expensive by todays standards. You can buy a full giga piano for $39.. (see Steiny D and Steiny D close): http://www.sampletekk.com/products.php?cat=44 Or lots of other nice pianos from $50... Big downloads, but much greater accuracy than any soundfont.. All should work fine with LinuxSampler. I used to use the $5 Trachtman soundfont until I heard what a giga piano sounded like. Now I would never go back. James From jamesmstone at gmail.com Tue Jan 2 10:15:47 2007 From: jamesmstone at gmail.com (James Stone) Date: Tue Jan 2 10:29:04 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] OT: Recommendations for Headphones and Mic In-Reply-To: <45998B33.7040103@sonaural.com> References: <20070101145710.GA6588@moon.base> <45995787.2020204@sonaural.com> <20070101191044.GA7095@moon.base> <45998B33.7040103@sonaural.com> Message-ID: <20070102151547.GB7779@moon.base> On Mon, Jan 01, 2007 at 02:29:07PM -0800, Brad Fuller wrote: > > The SM58 mentioned before is a perfectly fine mic for those on a tight > studio budget. I would suggest that before the SM57. That's about $100. > Dynamic mics are generally going to be cheaper than condensers or > ribbons when matching quality to quality. But, there are many new > condensers out and the prices are competitive. You might fair better > auditioning several of the lower priced condensers if you are going to > use this for studio singing. Check out the AKG Perception mics. They > are inexpensive. I've never used one, so I don't know anything about > them except they are inexpensive and mfr'd in China. Audio-Technica has > several inexpensive condensers as well. Shure has an all-around rugged > condenser for vocals: SM86. If you want a rugged handheld mic, the SM58 > is good. But, you can't beat the Electro-Voice 635A. It use to be > advertised as being able to hammer nails and still work fine. It'll > never break. I would like a brief rundown on what I will need for each mic setup.. I am guessing: For a dynamic mic: 1) The mic! 2) A mic preamp 3) a XLR-jack and jack to jack lead For a Condenser mic: 1) The mic 2) A phantom power supply 3) a mic preamp (do I need this as well as #2?) 4) a XLR-XLR and XLR to jack lead All these seem to add quite an extra cost to the mic.. Really seems like a waste of time with a SBLive, but I guess they would give a better upgrade path than buying an all in one condenser/USB mic. Thoughts? James From arnold.krille at gmail.com Tue Jan 2 10:44:12 2007 From: arnold.krille at gmail.com (Arnold Krille) Date: Tue Jan 2 10:53:45 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] music made with linux In-Reply-To: <4596A791.70203@gmail.com> References: <4596A791.70203@gmail.com> Message-ID: <2def88b80701020744u45d16a53l2114076c07f24500@mail.gmail.com> 2006/12/30, Atte Andr? Jensen : > Hi and merry Christmas + happy new year to all! You too. > This is a song I wrote last week and recorded using muse, specimen, zyn > and ardour. It's the first song I did with my new SE usb2200a usb > microphone. > http://web4490.web03.talkactive.net/demo/ro/ro.mp3 I listened to the first version only and I find that impressive! I even like the bass with its really short release. Gives it some more rythm. Maybe the percussions could include some deep-drum but thats a matter of personal taste. Now, if I could get my wife to sing... > (Christian) lyrics in danish, feedback welcome. I am interested in an english translation (off-list...) as I am a christian too. See you, Arnold -- visit http://www.arnoldarts.de/ --- Wenn man mit Raubkopien Bands wie Brosis oder Britney Spears wirklich verhindern k?nnte, w?rde ich mir noch heute einen Stapel Brenner und einen Sack Rohlinge kaufen. From yoenrico at gmail.com Tue Jan 2 11:32:40 2007 From: yoenrico at gmail.com (enrico) Date: Tue Jan 2 11:28:26 2007 Subject: Subject: Re: [linux-audio-user] OT: Recommendations for Headphones and =?iso-8859-1?q?=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0Mic?= In-Reply-To: <20070102090909.255EA55BF626@music.columbia.edu> References: <20070102090909.255EA55BF626@music.columbia.edu> Message-ID: <200701021732.40593.yoenrico@gmail.com> Hi there! In the past years I've had very good experience with CAD gxl 2200 large diaphragm condenser mikes.They sound amazingly good and go for less than 60 GBP,including a decent shockmount.I've used them for studio vocals,but we also take them on the road to mike some Marshall cabinets(hehehe).This may sound trivial,but believe me it works better than the avarage rental SM57's you are encountering and that all sound different through various forms of (mis)use.Of course you will need some source of phantompower.BTW,this is the only good mike manufactured by that company.The rest of the bunch ia not impressive at all,to say the least. Concerning headphones:Stanton is good,but not too rugged.Sennheiser HD25 is da real thang,but it's gonna cost you.Sells here(Netherlands)for 200 euri's. Grtz,Enrico. From dsbaikov at gmail.com Tue Jan 2 11:32:28 2007 From: dsbaikov at gmail.com (Dmitry Baikov) Date: Tue Jan 2 11:33:27 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] a beat of rhytmic noise In-Reply-To: References: <70a871c80612280616p4143959ahd9a049e4a0703550@mail.gmail.com> <200612291140.15690.tito@rumford.de> Message-ID: <70a871c80701020832l21d583fewc2608d5be585ef36@mail.gmail.com> Thank you all for your comments. Finally, I'm here again. My provider made me a new year present and showed me a world without the internet. It is not that bad, actually :) On 12/29/06, Jon H wrote: > That's very interesting! I think the first real world example of what an > Andromeda can sound like that I've heard. It can much more. But I'm just a human being.... > I'm curious... did you keep time manually, use the arp or sequencer or > something else? I've always loved tweaking analog synths and the Andromeda > certainly looks fun to play with! Most of time it is seq playing, with sustain pedal pressed, because I have only two hands to tweak the beast. The whole piece obviously uses distortion, delay and only one voice ;) The dynamic range of the composition is intended, though I started to think it needs a compressed version for compact/budget players and/or quiet listening. Kind regards, Dmitry. From petespin at att.net Tue Jan 2 11:34:07 2007 From: petespin at att.net (Peter Finnegan) Date: Tue Jan 2 11:34:13 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] OT: Recommendations for Headphones and Mic In-Reply-To: <20070102151547.GB7779@moon.base> References: <20070101145710.GA6588@moon.base> <45995787.2020204@sonaural.com> <20070101191044.GA7095@moon.base> <45998B33.7040103@sonaural.com> <20070102151547.GB7779@moon.base> Message-ID: <1167755647.2773.18.camel@gracie> On Tue, 2007-01-02 at 15:15 +0000, James Stone wrote: > On Mon, Jan 01, 2007 at 02:29:07PM -0800, Brad Fuller wrote: > > > > The SM58 mentioned before is a perfectly fine mic for those on a tight > > studio budget. I would suggest that before the SM57. That's about $100. > > Dynamic mics are generally going to be cheaper than condensers or > > ribbons when matching quality to quality. But, there are many new > > condensers out and the prices are competitive. You might fair better > > auditioning several of the lower priced condensers if you are going to > > use this for studio singing. Check out the AKG Perception mics. They > > are inexpensive. I've never used one, so I don't know anything about > > them except they are inexpensive and mfr'd in China. Audio-Technica has > > several inexpensive condensers as well. Shure has an all-around rugged > > condenser for vocals: SM86. If you want a rugged handheld mic, the SM58 > > is good. But, you can't beat the Electro-Voice 635A. It use to be > > advertised as being able to hammer nails and still work fine. It'll > > never break. > > I would like a brief rundown on what I will need for each mic > setup.. I am guessing: > > For a dynamic mic: > > 1) The mic! > 2) A mic preamp > 3) a XLR-jack and jack to jack lead > > For a Condenser mic: Most pre-amps include a phantom power supply, so that will not be needed. > > 1) The mic > 2) A phantom power supply > 3) a mic preamp (do I need this as well as #2?) > 4) a XLR-XLR and XLR to jack lead > > All these seem to add quite an extra cost to the mic.. Really > seems like a waste of time with a SBLive, but I guess they would > give a better upgrade path than buying an all in one > condenser/USB mic. > > Thoughts? > > James If you buy a separate pre-amp/mic combo, you have that part of your signal chain already if you upgrade your sound card. You will have a little more control. It may seem absurd to plug in a quality pre-amp/mic into a soundblaster card, but it will result in better quality sound. Plus, you can interchange different pre-amps and mics as you acquire gear in the future, rather than being locked in to an all in one unit. The samson CO1 and art tubeMP looks like it would work for your needs. PF From pw_lists at slinkp.com Tue Jan 2 11:47:29 2007 From: pw_lists at slinkp.com (Paul Winkler) Date: Tue Jan 2 11:47:47 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] QSynth dumb question In-Reply-To: <3154.194.65.103.1.1167727353.squirrel@www.rncbc.org> References: <20061229060419.GA7517@slinkp.com> <37941.194.65.103.1.1167385573.squirrel@www.rncbc.org> <20070102034734.GA7467@slinkp.com> <3154.194.65.103.1.1167727353.squirrel@www.rncbc.org> Message-ID: <20070102164729.GB7486@slinkp.com> On Tue, Jan 02, 2007 at 08:42:33AM -0000, Rui Nuno Capela wrote: > On Tue, January 2, 2007 03:47, Paul Winkler wrote: > > > > Would it be possible for "preview" to be on by default? It seems to > > me it's less than ideally helpful if you have to select it every time. Or > > maybe it should remember its state rather than always resetting to "off". > > > > I believe I made it to be remembered long ago. Are you sure the "Preview" > state is not recalled from what it was last time you accepted it by > pressing the OK button? Sorry to waste your time, yet another case of PEBKAC. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PEBKAC -- Paul Winkler http://www.slinkp.com From pw_lists at slinkp.com Tue Jan 2 12:32:17 2007 From: pw_lists at slinkp.com (Paul Winkler) Date: Tue Jan 2 12:32:43 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] OT: Recommendations for Headphones and Mic In-Reply-To: <20070102151547.GB7779@moon.base> References: <20070101145710.GA6588@moon.base> <45995787.2020204@sonaural.com> <20070101191044.GA7095@moon.base> <45998B33.7040103@sonaural.com> <20070102151547.GB7779@moon.base> Message-ID: <20070102173217.GC7486@slinkp.com> On Tue, Jan 02, 2007 at 03:15:47PM +0000, James Stone wrote: > I would like a brief rundown on what I will need for each mic > setup.. I am guessing: > > For a dynamic mic: > > 1) The mic! > 2) A mic preamp > 3) a XLR-jack and jack to jack lead > For a Condenser mic: > > 1) The mic > 2) A phantom power supply This is included in most preamps or mixers. > 3) a mic preamp (do I need this as well as #2?) Yes, you always need a preamp, except I think there are a few (rare) microphones that have built-in preamps and deliver line-level output. You probably won't come across any of those. > 4) a XLR-XLR and XLR to jack lead I'm guessing by "jack" you mean 1/4"? The cable requirements for a dynamic mic are identical to those for a condenser mic. The mic has an XLR output, the preamp has an XLR input. For connecting the preamp to your soundcard, it depends on the available inputs on the soundcard and the available outputs on the preamp. > All these seem to add quite an extra cost to the mic.. Really > seems like a waste of time with a SBLive, but I guess they would > give a better upgrade path than buying an all in one > condenser/USB mic. Waste of time? I don't know about that... the line-input ADC in even an SB Live is likely to be quite usable for getting started. You have to be a bit more careful than with a high-quality 24-bit card to set levels properly so you get acceptable signal to noise ratio; but hey, even the SB Live is a lot better in every regard than the analog 4-track cassette devices I learned on. If you can spare the money, I'd recommend something like a used Mackie 1202 mixer (that's what I got). Depending on the exact model, they go for US $100-$200 on ebay. You get four very usable preamps with good phantom power, a headphone amp, and it comes with a free mixer ;-) Oh, and finally back to your question about mics: For vocals on a budget I'm happy with my MXL V67G. -- Paul Winkler http://www.slinkp.com From carotinobg at yahoo.it Tue Jan 2 13:53:18 2007 From: carotinobg at yahoo.it (Carotinho) Date: Tue Jan 2 13:51:29 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] ladspa reverb In-Reply-To: <20070102122323.GA5864@linux-1.site> References: <1167736255.459a3dbf20bf3@www3.helsinki.fi> <20070102122323.GA5864@linux-1.site> Message-ID: <200701021953.18674.carotinobg@yahoo.it> Hi! Alle 13:23, marted? 2 gennaio 2007, Fons Adriaensen ha scritto: > Things in this area will start moving again in a few months when I'm > settled a bit in Italy. sorry for the OT, but does this means you moved to Italy?:) Byez! Carotinho Chiacchiera con i tuoi amici in tempo reale! http://it.yahoo.com/mail_it/foot/*http://it.messenger.yahoo.com From fons at kokkinizita.net Tue Jan 2 14:10:10 2007 From: fons at kokkinizita.net (Fons Adriaensen) Date: Tue Jan 2 14:07:07 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] ladspa reverb In-Reply-To: <200701021953.18674.carotinobg@yahoo.it> References: <1167736255.459a3dbf20bf3@www3.helsinki.fi> <20070102122323.GA5864@linux-1.site> <200701021953.18674.carotinobg@yahoo.it> Message-ID: <20070102191010.GC10037@linux-1.site> On Tue, Jan 02, 2007 at 07:53:18PM +0100, Carotinho wrote: > sorry for the OT, but does this means you moved to Italy?:) Not yet, but from next weekend I'll live in Parma. (if my new employer has found a temporary place for me to sleep by then :-). -- FA Lascia la spina, cogli la rosa. From st at tobiah.org Tue Jan 2 15:11:59 2007 From: st at tobiah.org (st) Date: Tue Jan 2 15:27:25 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] OT: Recommendations for Headphones and Mic In-Reply-To: <20070102102405.GB5945@moon.base> References: <20070101145710.GA6588@moon.base> <45995787.2020204@sonaural.com> <20070101191044.GA7095@moon.base> <1167703113.23578.4.camel@c213-100-20-22.swipnet.se> <20070102094451.GA5945@moon.base> <459A2EEF.5070204@gmail.com> <20070102102405.GB5945@moon.base> Message-ID: <459ABC8F.1060801@tobiah.org> > > The Samson C01U seems to get some variable reviews though.. This may work well for you, since you are on a budget, but I wouldn't recommend it for the long run. You would be buying a Microphone, preamp and USB audio interface all at once, and *when* you decide that you want to upgrade one of those features, you will have to do them all at the same time. The Soundblaster line input is fine for recording. Don't even consider the mic input. It is too noisy. Unfortunately you are looking at about $200 for a low cost preamp and large-diaphragm condenser, which is out of your price range, but would really give you a nice sound, even with the soundblaster line in. Later, you will find out that the mic pre is too noisy, so you will spend more on a better one, then you will find out that the mic itself is generating quite a bit of noise (not dynamic of course, but they expose more preamp noise due to gain requirements) so you will upgrade that. Finally, you may want to upgrade the sound card because it will become evident that the soundblaster has an annoying limiter built in that makes it tough to overload the digital signal, but does squash the loud parts of the signal, changing the sound without your permission. From jamesmstone at gmail.com Tue Jan 2 18:21:18 2007 From: jamesmstone at gmail.com (James Stone) Date: Tue Jan 2 18:21:46 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] OT: Recommendations for Headphones and Mic In-Reply-To: <459ABC8F.1060801@tobiah.org> References: <20070101145710.GA6588@moon.base> <45995787.2020204@sonaural.com> <20070101191044.GA7095@moon.base> <1167703113.23578.4.camel@c213-100-20-22.swipnet.se> <20070102094451.GA5945@moon.base> <459A2EEF.5070204@gmail.com> <20070102102405.GB5945@moon.base> <459ABC8F.1060801@tobiah.org> Message-ID: <20070102232117.GA11444@moon.base> On Tue, Jan 02, 2007 at 12:11:59PM -0800, st wrote: > > > > >The Samson C01U seems to get some variable reviews though.. > > This may work well for you, since you are on a budget, but > I wouldn't recommend it for the long run. You would be > buying a Microphone, preamp and USB audio interface all at > once, and *when* you decide that you want to upgrade one of > those features, you will have to do them all at the same time. > > The Soundblaster line input is fine for recording. Don't > even consider the mic input. It is too noisy. Unfortunately > you are looking at about $200 for a low cost preamp and > large-diaphragm condenser, which is out of your price range, > but would really give you a nice sound, even with the soundblaster > line in. Later, you will find out that the mic pre is too noisy, > so you will spend more on a better one, then you will find out that > the mic itself is generating quite a bit of noise (not dynamic of course, > but they expose more preamp noise due to gain requirements) so > you will upgrade that. Finally, you may want to upgrade the sound > card because it will become evident that the soundblaster has > an annoying limiter built in that makes it tough to overload the > digital signal, but does squash the loud parts of the signal, > changing the sound without your permission. > Thanks for all the input everyone! I have plumped for a Samson C03 and a Behringer minimic 800 preamp (the tube MP sounded like it was somewhat delicate and fairly unreliable from a breaking down point of view from the reviews I read..).. For headphones I decided to get some Audio-Technica ATHM30.. Sounds like they should be adequate to my requirements.. So fingers crossed it will all work.. One last thing.. I was puzzling how to connect the mono output from the preamp to the stereo line-in on the sound card. In the end I bought a dual mono 1/4" to stereo 1/8" jack lead. This seems most sensible to me, though I was wondering if a straight stereo-stereo would have worked?? Anyway, thanks again for the amazing help! James From brad at sonaural.com Tue Jan 2 18:34:46 2007 From: brad at sonaural.com (Brad Fuller) Date: Tue Jan 2 18:35:01 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] OT: Recommendations for Headphones and Mic In-Reply-To: <20070102232117.GA11444@moon.base> References: <20070101145710.GA6588@moon.base> <45995787.2020204@sonaural.com> <20070101191044.GA7095@moon.base> <1167703113.23578.4.camel@c213-100-20-22.swipnet.se> <20070102094451.GA5945@moon.base> <459A2EEF.5070204@gmail.com> <20070102102405.GB5945@moon.base> <459ABC8F.1060801@tobiah.org> <20070102232117.GA11444@moon.base> Message-ID: <459AEC16.1060209@sonaural.com> James Stone wrote: > On Tue, Jan 02, 2007 at 12:11:59PM -0800, st wrote: >>> The Samson C01U seems to get some variable reviews though.. >> This may work well for you, since you are on a budget, but >> I wouldn't recommend it for the long run. You would be >> buying a Microphone, preamp and USB audio interface all at >> once, and *when* you decide that you want to upgrade one of >> those features, you will have to do them all at the same time. >> >> The Soundblaster line input is fine for recording. Don't >> even consider the mic input. It is too noisy. Unfortunately >> you are looking at about $200 for a low cost preamp and >> large-diaphragm condenser, which is out of your price range, >> but would really give you a nice sound, even with the soundblaster >> line in. Later, you will find out that the mic pre is too noisy, >> so you will spend more on a better one, then you will find out that >> the mic itself is generating quite a bit of noise (not dynamic of course, >> but they expose more preamp noise due to gain requirements) so >> you will upgrade that. Finally, you may want to upgrade the sound >> card because it will become evident that the soundblaster has >> an annoying limiter built in that makes it tough to overload the >> digital signal, but does squash the loud parts of the signal, >> changing the sound without your permission. >> > > Thanks for all the input everyone! > > I have plumped for a Samson C03 and a Behringer minimic 800 > preamp (the tube MP sounded like it was somewhat delicate and > fairly unreliable from a breaking down point of view from the > reviews I read..).. For headphones I decided to get some > Audio-Technica ATHM30.. Sounds like they should be adequate to my > requirements.. Great. OTOH, obtaining a mixer will give you a bit more functionality when you want to add more external sound outputs (like CD player, etc.) to your PC. You can get some inexpensive ones that already have mic preamps and phantom. > > So fingers crossed it will all work.. > > One last thing.. I was puzzling how to connect the mono output > from the preamp to the stereo line-in on the sound card. In the > end I bought a dual mono 1/4" to stereo 1/8" jack lead. This > seems most sensible to me, though I was wondering if a straight > stereo-stereo would have worked?? Think of the audio input as 2 channel input, not stereo. Connect line out of preamp to one of the channel inputs. From smoak at mis.net Tue Jan 2 19:39:33 2007 From: smoak at mis.net (M P Smoak) Date: Tue Jan 2 19:21:22 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] OT: Recommendations for Headphones and Mic In-Reply-To: <459AEC16.1060209@sonaural.com> References: <20070101145710.GA6588@moon.base> <20070102232117.GA11444@moon.base> <459AEC16.1060209@sonaural.com> Message-ID: <200701021939.33426.smoak@mis.net> On Tuesday 02 January 2007 06:34 pm, Brad Fuller wrote: > > I have plumped for a Samson C03 and a Behringer minimic 800 > > preamp (the tube MP sounded like it was somewhat delicate and > > fairly unreliable from a breaking down point of view from the > > reviews I read..).. For headphones I decided to get some > > Audio-Technica ATHM30.. Sounds like they should be adequate to my > > requirements.. > > Great. > OTOH, obtaining a mixer will give you a bit more functionality when > you want to add more external sound outputs (like CD player, etc.) to > your PC. You can get some inexpensive ones that already have mic > preamps and phantom. Yep, I strongly agree. In my always-on practice room there are two Behringer mixers, mxb1002 and ub802. Mic preamps, headphone ... good enough for what our group does. Also give me a way to easily input most of my old audio equipment to the soundblaster live. > > > So fingers crossed it will all work.. > > > > One last thing.. I was puzzling how to connect the mono output > > from the preamp to the stereo line-in on the sound card. In the > > end I bought a dual mono 1/4" to stereo 1/8" jack lead. This > > seems most sensible to me, though I was wondering if a straight > > stereo-stereo would have worked?? > > Think of the audio input as 2 channel input, not stereo. Connect line > out of preamp to one of the channel inputs. Yep, and adapters are available at Radio Shack and other places for making stereo concectors into line1 and line2 .... Someone else said that the mic in on the sblive is useless; I've used it for recording telephone calls using an adapter. Sure isn't hifi but it does all me to make record of a call rather than take notes while talking. Takes me a few minutes to setup, but the calls I record are scheduled technical client calls that may last an hour or more. Real handy for me. Marv in Lex. KY Happy New Year From hcengar at gmail.com Tue Jan 2 21:35:51 2007 From: hcengar at gmail.com (Hector Centeno) Date: Tue Jan 2 21:36:01 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] ladspa reverb In-Reply-To: <20070102191010.GC10037@linux-1.site> References: <1167736255.459a3dbf20bf3@www3.helsinki.fi> <20070102122323.GA5864@linux-1.site> <200701021953.18674.carotinobg@yahoo.it> <20070102191010.GC10037@linux-1.site> Message-ID: <695e1a650701021835w45cd0bdbyed0fce7176c5482b@mail.gmail.com> Hi, I've been using Steve Harris' stereo reverb included in the LADSPA swh plugins and to me sounds acceptable. It has plenty of presets, good documentation and works fine in Ardour. Check it out at http://plugin.org.uk Regarding freeverb I remember having the same kind of problem (not being able to get a long reverb) with certain pre-packaged version but I solved the problem building it from source. I think this problem was discussed in the CCRMA list. Have a great year! Hector On 1/2/07, Fons Adriaensen wrote: > On Tue, Jan 02, 2007 at 07:53:18PM +0100, Carotinho wrote: > > > sorry for the OT, but does this means you moved to Italy?:) > > Not yet, but from next weekend I'll live in Parma. (if my new > employer has found a temporary place for me to sleep by then :-). > > -- > FA > > Lascia la spina, cogli la rosa. > > From st at tobiah.org Tue Jan 2 22:28:49 2007 From: st at tobiah.org (St) Date: Tue Jan 2 22:29:05 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Alsa sound card order. Message-ID: <459B22F1.4000102@tobiah.org> I am using alsa drivers built right into the kernel, rather than modules. My Kubuntu system figures that my M-audio card is 0, and the Soundblaster is 1. I want to reverse that. Can I? The reason for this, is that many apps seem to be unable to play through the M-audio. I'm thinking it's because they use the OSS interface, and there is no OSS kernel option for the ice1712. Could that be true? Actually, after booting my new kernel, I find that there are no /dev/dsp* devices at all. No wonder the non-alsa apps don't work. Still, I checked OSS support, and support for the Live! card. Not sure why I don't have at least /dev/dsp0. Thanks, Tobiah From pw_lists at slinkp.com Tue Jan 2 23:39:28 2007 From: pw_lists at slinkp.com (Paul Winkler) Date: Tue Jan 2 23:50:45 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] ladspa reverb In-Reply-To: <21326c290701011353w62e1891aq85dd631f092ad239@mail.gmail.com> References: <45992138.5030001@gmail.com> <21326c290701011353w62e1891aq85dd631f092ad239@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20070103043928.GA9830@slinkp.com> > >Regarding freeverb (installed from debian/unstable), it seems you can't > >change the room size to something resembling a hall or so. Am I missing > >something? Have you tried playing with the "damping" parameter? It has a big impact on perceived reverb time. Freeverb can get pretty long. I find freeverb wants a bit of EQ after the reverb. A simple low-pass filter can make it a lot less "digital" sounding. Also, a slight delay before the reverb can sound nice. -- Paul Winkler http://www.slinkp.com From loki.davison at gmail.com Tue Jan 2 23:56:43 2007 From: loki.davison at gmail.com (Loki Davison) Date: Wed Jan 3 00:01:49 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] ladspa reverb In-Reply-To: <695e1a650701021835w45cd0bdbyed0fce7176c5482b@mail.gmail.com> References: <1167736255.459a3dbf20bf3@www3.helsinki.fi> <20070102122323.GA5864@linux-1.site> <200701021953.18674.carotinobg@yahoo.it> <20070102191010.GC10037@linux-1.site> <695e1a650701021835w45cd0bdbyed0fce7176c5482b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Sending from an internet cafe in Lao PDR so formating is a little dodgy, sorry. Best reverb i've used is by using jack_convolve with the pile of IR files on the net. There are lots of IR files for real room responses and for reverb machines. Sounds great to me and not to bad performance on a recent machine. Loki On 1/3/07, Hector Centeno wrote: > Hi, > > I've been using Steve Harris' stereo reverb included in the LADSPA swh > plugins and to me sounds acceptable. It has plenty of presets, good > documentation and works fine in Ardour. Check it out at > http://plugin.org.uk Regarding freeverb I remember having the same > kind of problem (not being able to get a long reverb) with certain > pre-packaged version but I solved the problem building it from source. > I think this problem was discussed in the CCRMA list. > > Have a great year! > > Hector > > On 1/2/07, Fons Adriaensen wrote: > > On Tue, Jan 02, 2007 at 07:53:18PM +0100, Carotinho wrote: > > > > > sorry for the OT, but does this means you moved to Italy?:) > > > > Not yet, but from next weekend I'll live in Parma. (if my new > > employer has found a temporary place for me to sleep by then :-). > > > > -- > > FA > > > > Lascia la spina, cogli la rosa. > > > > > From st at tobiah.org Wed Jan 3 00:24:10 2007 From: st at tobiah.org (St) Date: Wed Jan 3 00:25:08 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Alsa sound card order. In-Reply-To: <459B22F1.4000102@tobiah.org> References: <459B22F1.4000102@tobiah.org> Message-ID: <459B3DFA.9000605@tobiah.org> Solved for now, I think. I haven't built a kernel in a while, and I thought that including the native OSS support would get me my /dev/dsp* stuff back. After reading some internet, I realized that the OSS stuff is truly out of the loop, and one really wants to build in the OSS emulation stuff that is under the ALSA menu. So, after rebooting many times, and answering the nvidia driver questions as many times, I still wonder about the issue of card order. Right now all is ok, but I've heard many reports of card order swapping from boot to boot. Not so hot. Experiences? Thanks, Tobiah St wrote: > I am using alsa drivers built right into the kernel, rather than > modules. My Kubuntu system figures that my M-audio card is 0, and > the Soundblaster is 1. I want to reverse that. Can I? > > The reason for this, is that many apps seem to be unable to play > through the M-audio. I'm thinking it's because they use the OSS > interface, and there is no OSS kernel option for the ice1712. > Could that be true? > > Actually, after booting my new kernel, I find that there are no > /dev/dsp* devices at all. No wonder the non-alsa apps don't work. > Still, I checked OSS support, and support for the Live! card. > Not sure why I don't have at least /dev/dsp0. > > Thanks, > > Tobiah From atte.jensen at gmail.com Wed Jan 3 02:19:45 2007 From: atte.jensen at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?B?QXR0ZSBBbmRyw6kgSmVuc2Vu?=) Date: Wed Jan 3 02:20:06 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] music made with linux In-Reply-To: <2def88b80701020744u45d16a53l2114076c07f24500@mail.gmail.com> References: <4596A791.70203@gmail.com> <2def88b80701020744u45d16a53l2114076c07f24500@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <459B5911.1020102@gmail.com> Arnold Krille wrote: > 2006/12/30, Atte Andr? Jensen : >> This is a song I wrote last week and recorded using muse, specimen, zyn >> and ardour. It's the first song I did with my new SE usb2200a usb >> microphone. >> http://web4490.web03.talkactive.net/demo/ro/ro.mp3 > > I listened to the first version only and I find that impressive! The one in the link above is the new version :-) > I > even like the bass with its really short release. Gives it some more > rythm. Maybe... > Now, if I could get my wife to sing... :-) > I am interested in an english translation (off-list...) as I am a > christian too. I mailed you a translation off list, glad you liked it... -- peace, love & harmony Atte http://www.atte.dk | quintet: http://www.anagrammer.dk | compositions: http://www.atte.dk/compositions From atte.jensen at gmail.com Wed Jan 3 02:31:46 2007 From: atte.jensen at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Atte_Andr=E9_Jensen?=) Date: Wed Jan 3 02:32:01 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] ladspa reverb In-Reply-To: References: <1167736255.459a3dbf20bf3@www3.helsinki.fi> <20070102122323.GA5864@linux-1.site> <200701021953.18674.carotinobg@yahoo.it> <20070102191010.GC10037@linux-1.site> <695e1a650701021835w45cd0bdbyed0fce7176c5482b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <459B5BE2.9030307@gmail.com> Loki Davison wrote: > Sending from an internet cafe in Lao PDR so formating is a little > dodgy, sorry. Best reverb i've used is by using jack_convolve with the > pile of IR files on the net. There are lots of IR files for real room > responses and for reverb machines. Sounds great to me and not to bad > performance on a recent machine. That sounds promissing! Will check that out. Are there any legal issues in using the IR files? -- peace, love & harmony Atte http://www.atte.dk | quintet: http://www.anagrammer.dk | compositions: http://www.atte.dk/compositions From arnold.krille at gmail.com Wed Jan 3 05:39:23 2007 From: arnold.krille at gmail.com (Arnold Krille) Date: Wed Jan 3 05:39:35 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] music made with linux In-Reply-To: <459B5911.1020102@gmail.com> References: <4596A791.70203@gmail.com> <2def88b80701020744u45d16a53l2114076c07f24500@mail.gmail.com> <459B5911.1020102@gmail.com> Message-ID: <2def88b80701030239g3d94ccc0m5f16d98dc9ca7efb@mail.gmail.com> 2007/1/3, Atte Andr? Jensen : > Arnold Krille wrote: > > 2006/12/30, Atte Andr? Jensen : > >> This is a song I wrote last week and recorded using muse, specimen, zyn > >> and ardour. It's the first song I did with my new SE usb2200a usb > >> microphone. > >> http://web4490.web03.talkactive.net/demo/ro/ro.mp3 > > I listened to the first version only and I find that impressive! > The one in the link above is the new version :-) Oh, yeah. Thats the problem with unversioned filenames... Thats why my exports have names ending -alpha, -beta, -gamma, etc. Arnold -- visit http://www.arnoldarts.de/ --- Wenn man mit Raubkopien Bands wie Brosis oder Britney Spears wirklich verhindern k?nnte, w?rde ich mir noch heute einen Stapel Brenner und einen Sack Rohlinge kaufen. From yoyo at xrousse.org Wed Jan 3 06:08:24 2007 From: yoyo at xrousse.org (Yo) Date: Wed Jan 3 06:08:44 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [solved]-Installing nvidia graphic driver on a 64studio 1.0 Message-ID: <459B8EA8.9070409@xrousse.org> Hi, Just for information because I spent a part of the night trying to install the nvidia driver on the 64studio 1.0 distro (because I needed to activate Twinview for my dual screen). The installer returned me an error because the gcc version was not the same that the one used to compile the kernel (4.1 instead of 4.0). It seems that gcc 4.0 is not available, even in debian unstable (gcc-4.1). So the solution I used : Download packages (.deb) cpp-4.0... gcc-4.0-base... gcc-4.0... here (for example): http://snapshot.debian.net/archive/2006/09/05/debian/pool/main/g/gcc-4.0/ Install the three packages with dpkg # dpkg -i cpp-4.0... etc... And then try to install the nvidia driver. It should work. At the end, It looks simple but it takes a lot of time to me to find the solution, so if it can help, I'm pleased to share ;-) Cheers. -- Yohann http://www.xrousse.org | mailto:yo@xrousse.org | MSN yoyo@xrousse.org | GPG: 0x43D83E36 C'est toi le nouveau ? Je ne sais pas, je viens d'arriver From lars.luthman at gmail.com Wed Jan 3 07:20:07 2007 From: lars.luthman at gmail.com (Lars Luthman) Date: Wed Jan 3 07:20:30 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Alsa sound card order. In-Reply-To: <459B3DFA.9000605@tobiah.org> References: <459B22F1.4000102@tobiah.org> <459B3DFA.9000605@tobiah.org> Message-ID: <1167826808.11730.10.camel@c213-100-20-22.swipnet.se> On Tue, 2007-01-02 at 21:24 -0800, St wrote: > So, after rebooting many times, and answering the nvidia > driver questions as many times, I still wonder about the > issue of card order. Right now all is ok, but I've heard > many reports of card order swapping from boot to boot. Not > so hot. You can give every device their own card slot, regardless of the order they are discovered in. This is an excerpt from my /etc/modprobe.conf: alias sound-slot-0 snd-emu10k1 alias sound-slot-1 snd-cmipci alias sound-slot-2 snd-usb-audio alias sound-slot-3 snd-usb-audio alias sound-slot-4 snd-usb-audio options snd-emu10k1 index=0 options snd-cmipci index=1 options snd-usb-audio index=2,3,4 vid=0x0A4D,0x17A0,0x0c45 pid=0x0090,0x0001,0x60AF (that's not supposed to be a line break before "pid") The "index" options tells the driver modules which sound card slot the devices using that driver should be loaded into, and the vid and pid options for the USB module specify which particular USB devices (specified by their vendor and product IDs) should be loaded into slots 2, 3, and 4 (in this case a MIDI keyboard, a microphone and a webcam). If the keyboard is discovered first it will still get loaded into slot 2, if the emu10k1 is loaded second it will still get loaded into slot 0, etc. Provided, of course, that no other device has already been loaded into slots 2 or 0 - so in order for this to work you have to specify indices for all devices you may connect. It would be better if there was some sort of central 'device -> slot number' mapping so that modules for new devices automatically knew that they should avoid indices 0 to 4, but I don't think there is. -- Lars Luthman - please encrypt any email sent to me if possible PGP key: http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x04C77E2E Fingerprint: FCA7 C790 19B9 322D EB7A E1B3 4371 4650 04C7 7E2E -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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If I need fst is there a place I can download it. I have never compiled anything, hope that will not be necessary. Linux Sampler is working great for me. Can't wait till LS 4.0 is integrated! Richard Shiflet -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://music.columbia.edu/pipermail/linux-audio-user/attachments/20070102/7809e24c/attachment.html From linuxrootuser at gmail.com Wed Jan 3 06:40:25 2007 From: linuxrootuser at gmail.com (David Stephens) Date: Wed Jan 3 07:53:52 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Alsa sound card order. In-Reply-To: <459B3DFA.9000605@tobiah.org> References: <459B22F1.4000102@tobiah.org> <459B3DFA.9000605@tobiah.org> Message-ID: <9ffb61520701030340w7d0461bds191a9e021b272beb@mail.gmail.com> simple solution sudo asoundconf list prints a list of all sound cards in the system sudo asoundconf set-default-card "very nice sound card" On 1/3/07, St wrote: > > Solved for now, I think. I haven't built a kernel in > a while, and I thought that including the native OSS support > would get me my /dev/dsp* stuff back. After reading some > internet, I realized that the OSS stuff is truly out of the > loop, and one really wants to build in the OSS emulation > stuff that is under the ALSA menu. > > So, after rebooting many times, and answering the nvidia > driver questions as many times, I still wonder about the > issue of card order. Right now all is ok, but I've heard > many reports of card order swapping from boot to boot. Not > so hot. > > Experiences? > > Thanks, > > Tobiah > > St wrote: > > I am using alsa drivers built right into the kernel, rather than > > modules. My Kubuntu system figures that my M-audio card is 0, and > > the Soundblaster is 1. I want to reverse that. Can I? > > > > The reason for this, is that many apps seem to be unable to play > > through the M-audio. 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URL: http://music.columbia.edu/pipermail/linux-audio-user/attachments/20070103/93da8849/attachment.html From mobarre at gmail.com Wed Jan 3 07:58:43 2007 From: mobarre at gmail.com (Marc-Olivier Barre) Date: Wed Jan 3 07:58:53 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Jack convolve compilation with gcc 4.1.0 (was: ladspa reverb) In-Reply-To: <200701021434.04720.mista.tapas@gmx.net> References: <3c808a150701020430v70c083abl25b66d8c0b68b50e@mail.gmail.com> <200701021434.04720.mista.tapas@gmx.net> Message-ID: <3c808a150701030458l113d5728o63d76584a30cfe68@mail.gmail.com> On 1/2/07, Florian Schmidt wrote: > > > > Talking about reverbs and convolution, I gave a try to jack-convolve. > > It seems it does not compile with gcc 4.1.0.... asm problem (even with > > the latest stable). > > > > Does someone knows of a patch to fix this ? > > It builds fine here with gcc 4.1.2. jack_convolve only uses ASM through > libconvolve which can be built using libDSP (which in turn contains some ASM > code).. > > Let us see the whole error messages maybe? > Right... I was too fast writing this post :-) It is libDSP which contains some assembly code that doesn't seem to compile well with my gcc. I have used the latest stable (5.0.2) which (according to the changelog) contains "Support for gcc-4.x". So basically : 1. I will post the error messages tonight (that is, 6 hours from now for those who don't live in France) so people can see if they had a similar problem. 2. Is it possible to use libconvolve without libDSP and what is the impact on performance ? __________________ Marc-Olivier Barre, Markinoko. From jamesmstone at gmail.com Wed Jan 3 08:50:45 2007 From: jamesmstone at gmail.com (James Stone) Date: Wed Jan 3 09:00:04 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Jack convolve compilation with gcc 4.1.0 (was: ladspa reverb) In-Reply-To: <3c808a150701030458l113d5728o63d76584a30cfe68@mail.gmail.com> References: <3c808a150701020430v70c083abl25b66d8c0b68b50e@mail.gmail.com> <200701021434.04720.mista.tapas@gmx.net> <3c808a150701030458l113d5728o63d76584a30cfe68@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20070103135045.GA5422@moon.base> On Wed, Jan 03, 2007 at 01:58:43PM +0100, Marc-Olivier Barre wrote: > On 1/2/07, Florian Schmidt wrote: > >> > >> Talking about reverbs and convolution, I gave a try to jack-convolve. > >> It seems it does not compile with gcc 4.1.0.... asm problem (even with > >> the latest stable). > >> > >> Does someone knows of a patch to fix this ? > > > >It builds fine here with gcc 4.1.2. jack_convolve only uses ASM through > >libconvolve which can be built using libDSP (which in turn contains some > >ASM > >code).. > > > >Let us see the whole error messages maybe? > > > > Right... I was too fast writing this post :-) > > It is libDSP which contains some assembly code that doesn't seem to > compile well with my gcc. I have used the latest stable (5.0.2) which > (according to the changelog) contains "Support for gcc-4.x". > Just build it with gcc-3.4. James From mobarre at gmail.com Wed Jan 3 09:57:49 2007 From: mobarre at gmail.com (Marc-Olivier Barre) Date: Wed Jan 3 09:58:02 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Jack convolve compilation with gcc 4.1.0 (was: ladspa reverb) In-Reply-To: <20070103135045.GA5422@moon.base> References: <3c808a150701020430v70c083abl25b66d8c0b68b50e@mail.gmail.com> <200701021434.04720.mista.tapas@gmx.net> <3c808a150701030458l113d5728o63d76584a30cfe68@mail.gmail.com> <20070103135045.GA5422@moon.base> Message-ID: <3c808a150701030657m65851604x8404e6cf7fd0d6db@mail.gmail.com> On 1/3/07, James Stone wrote: > On Wed, Jan 03, 2007 at 01:58:43PM +0100, Marc-Olivier Barre wrote: > > On 1/2/07, Florian Schmidt wrote: > > >> > > >> Talking about reverbs and convolution, I gave a try to jack-convolve. > > >> It seems it does not compile with gcc 4.1.0.... asm problem (even with > > >> the latest stable). > > >> > > >> Does someone knows of a patch to fix this ? > > > > > >It builds fine here with gcc 4.1.2. jack_convolve only uses ASM through > > >libconvolve which can be built using libDSP (which in turn contains some > > >ASM > > >code).. > > > > > >Let us see the whole error messages maybe? > > > > > > > Right... I was too fast writing this post :-) > > > > It is libDSP which contains some assembly code that doesn't seem to > > compile well with my gcc. I have used the latest stable (5.0.2) which > > (according to the changelog) contains "Support for gcc-4.x". > > > > Just build it with gcc-3.4. > I don't have it on my system and I don't intend to set it up unless I have a real problem. The fact is, my system is a modified LFS, composed of more than 500 packages that ALL compiled fine with gcc 4.1.0 (only a few of them required a patch to compile properly). Actually, all the packages I have seen in the past few months that had a problem with gcc 4.x just called it a bug and fixed it or (as is the case with linuxsampler's assembly routines) decided to adapt their software to take advantage of gcc 4.x new optimization stuff.... Why shall I install gcc 3.4 instead of reporting what a majority of people call a bug ? Cheers __________________ Marc-Olivier Barre, Markinoko. From jamesmstone at gmail.com Wed Jan 3 10:16:00 2007 From: jamesmstone at gmail.com (James Stone) Date: Wed Jan 3 10:17:26 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Jack convolve compilation with gcc 4.1.0 (was: ladspa reverb) In-Reply-To: <3c808a150701030657m65851604x8404e6cf7fd0d6db@mail.gmail.com> References: <3c808a150701020430v70c083abl25b66d8c0b68b50e@mail.gmail.com> <200701021434.04720.mista.tapas@gmx.net> <3c808a150701030458l113d5728o63d76584a30cfe68@mail.gmail.com> <20070103135045.GA5422@moon.base> <3c808a150701030657m65851604x8404e6cf7fd0d6db@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20070103151600.GA6370@moon.base> On Wed, Jan 03, 2007 at 03:57:49PM +0100, Marc-Olivier Barre wrote: > On 1/3/07, James Stone wrote: > >On Wed, Jan 03, 2007 at 01:58:43PM +0100, Marc-Olivier Barre wrote: > >> On 1/2/07, Florian Schmidt wrote: > >> >> > >> >> Talking about reverbs and convolution, I gave a try to jack-convolve. > >> >> It seems it does not compile with gcc 4.1.0.... asm problem (even with > >> >> the latest stable). > >> >> > >> >> Does someone knows of a patch to fix this ? > >> > > >> >It builds fine here with gcc 4.1.2. jack_convolve only uses ASM through > >> >libconvolve which can be built using libDSP (which in turn contains some > >> >ASM > >> >code).. > >> > > >> >Let us see the whole error messages maybe? > >> > > >> > >> Right... I was too fast writing this post :-) > >> > >> It is libDSP which contains some assembly code that doesn't seem to > >> compile well with my gcc. I have used the latest stable (5.0.2) which > >> (according to the changelog) contains "Support for gcc-4.x". > >> > > > >Just build it with gcc-3.4. > > > > I don't have it on my system and I don't intend to set it up unless I > have a real problem. The fact is, my system is a modified LFS, > composed of more than 500 packages that ALL compiled fine with gcc > 4.1.0 (only a few of them required a patch to compile properly). > > Actually, all the packages I have seen in the past few months that had > a problem with gcc 4.x just called it a bug and fixed it or (as is the > case with linuxsampler's assembly routines) decided to adapt their > software to take advantage of gcc 4.x new optimization stuff.... > > Why shall I install gcc 3.4 instead of reporting what a majority of > people call a bug ? Yes. It's a bug.. the gcc-3.4 thing will just get you up and going if that is your aim. Report the bug upstream. James From jamesmstone at gmail.com Wed Jan 3 10:19:03 2007 From: jamesmstone at gmail.com (James Stone) Date: Wed Jan 3 10:20:07 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Jack convolve compilation with gcc 4.1.0 (was: ladspa reverb) In-Reply-To: <3c808a150701030657m65851604x8404e6cf7fd0d6db@mail.gmail.com> References: <3c808a150701020430v70c083abl25b66d8c0b68b50e@mail.gmail.com> <200701021434.04720.mista.tapas@gmx.net> <3c808a150701030458l113d5728o63d76584a30cfe68@mail.gmail.com> <20070103135045.GA5422@moon.base> <3c808a150701030657m65851604x8404e6cf7fd0d6db@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20070103151903.GB6370@moon.base> On Wed, Jan 03, 2007 at 03:57:49PM +0100, Marc-Olivier Barre wrote: > On 1/3/07, James Stone wrote: > >On Wed, Jan 03, 2007 at 01:58:43PM +0100, Marc-Olivier Barre wrote: > >> On 1/2/07, Florian Schmidt wrote: > >> >> > >> >> Talking about reverbs and convolution, I gave a try to jack-convolve. > >> >> It seems it does not compile with gcc 4.1.0.... asm problem (even with > >> >> the latest stable). > >> >> > >> >> Does someone knows of a patch to fix this ? > >> > > >> >It builds fine here with gcc 4.1.2. jack_convolve only uses ASM through > >> >libconvolve which can be built using libDSP (which in turn contains some > >> >ASM > >> >code).. > >> > > >> >Let us see the whole error messages maybe? > >> > > >> > >> Right... I was too fast writing this post :-) > >> > >> It is libDSP which contains some assembly code that doesn't seem to > >> compile well with my gcc. I have used the latest stable (5.0.2) which > >> (according to the changelog) contains "Support for gcc-4.x". > >> > > > >Just build it with gcc-3.4. > > > > I don't have it on my system and I don't intend to set it up unless I > have a real problem. The fact is, my system is a modified LFS, > composed of more than 500 packages that ALL compiled fine with gcc > 4.1.0 (only a few of them required a patch to compile properly). > > Actually, all the packages I have seen in the past few months that had > a problem with gcc 4.x just called it a bug and fixed it or (as is the > case with linuxsampler's assembly routines) decided to adapt their > software to take advantage of gcc 4.x new optimization stuff.... > > Why shall I install gcc 3.4 instead of reporting what a majority of > people call a bug ? > By the way, did you try the development version of libDSP? James From nescivi at gmail.com Wed Jan 3 10:26:47 2007 From: nescivi at gmail.com (nescivi) Date: Wed Jan 3 10:27:12 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Happy LAC2007! Message-ID: <200701031626.46949.nescivi@gmail.com> Happy new year to you all! I just wanted to remind you all that the deadline (8th of January) for the LAC2007 is getting nearer, so now is the time to still write that paper, mail that cd, or make that proposition for that tutorial. Detailed info: http://www.kgw.tu-berlin.de/~lac2007/index.shtml Sincerely, On behalf of the Linux Audio Conference 2007 Orga Team, Marije Baalman From jamesmstone at gmail.com Wed Jan 3 10:31:14 2007 From: jamesmstone at gmail.com (James Stone) Date: Wed Jan 3 10:31:22 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Jack convolve compilation with gcc 4.1.0 (was: ladspa reverb) In-Reply-To: <3c808a150701030657m65851604x8404e6cf7fd0d6db@mail.gmail.com> References: <3c808a150701020430v70c083abl25b66d8c0b68b50e@mail.gmail.com> <200701021434.04720.mista.tapas@gmx.net> <3c808a150701030458l113d5728o63d76584a30cfe68@mail.gmail.com> <20070103135045.GA5422@moon.base> <3c808a150701030657m65851604x8404e6cf7fd0d6db@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20070103153114.GA6558@moon.base> On Wed, Jan 03, 2007 at 03:57:49PM +0100, Marc-Olivier Barre wrote: > On 1/3/07, James Stone wrote: > >On Wed, Jan 03, 2007 at 01:58:43PM +0100, Marc-Olivier Barre wrote: > >> On 1/2/07, Florian Schmidt wrote: > >> >> > >> >> Talking about reverbs and convolution, I gave a try to jack-convolve. > >> >> It seems it does not compile with gcc 4.1.0.... asm problem (even with > >> >> the latest stable). > >> >> > >> >> Does someone knows of a patch to fix this ? > >> > > >> >It builds fine here with gcc 4.1.2. jack_convolve only uses ASM through > >> >libconvolve which can be built using libDSP (which in turn contains some > >> >ASM > >> >code).. > >> > > >> >Let us see the whole error messages maybe? > >> > > >> > >> Right... I was too fast writing this post :-) > >> > >> It is libDSP which contains some assembly code that doesn't seem to > >> compile well with my gcc. I have used the latest stable (5.0.2) which > >> (according to the changelog) contains "Support for gcc-4.x". > >> > > > >Just build it with gcc-3.4. > > > > I don't have it on my system and I don't intend to set it up unless I > have a real problem. The fact is, my system is a modified LFS, > composed of more than 500 packages that ALL compiled fine with gcc > 4.1.0 (only a few of them required a patch to compile properly). > > Actually, all the packages I have seen in the past few months that had > a problem with gcc 4.x just called it a bug and fixed it or (as is the > case with linuxsampler's assembly routines) decided to adapt their > software to take advantage of gcc 4.x new optimization stuff.... > Looks like you might be out of luck: libDSP is no longer in active development.. unless you feel like fixing the asm problem yourself.. Perhaps jack convolve will not depend on libDSP in the future... James From mobarre at gmail.com Wed Jan 3 10:41:30 2007 From: mobarre at gmail.com (Marc-Olivier Barre) Date: Wed Jan 3 10:41:39 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Jack convolve compilation with gcc 4.1.0 (was: ladspa reverb) In-Reply-To: <20070103153114.GA6558@moon.base> References: <3c808a150701020430v70c083abl25b66d8c0b68b50e@mail.gmail.com> <200701021434.04720.mista.tapas@gmx.net> <3c808a150701030458l113d5728o63d76584a30cfe68@mail.gmail.com> <20070103135045.GA5422@moon.base> <3c808a150701030657m65851604x8404e6cf7fd0d6db@mail.gmail.com> <20070103153114.GA6558@moon.base> Message-ID: <3c808a150701030741r77e913c2l540b272244a5c554@mail.gmail.com> On 1/3/07, James Stone wrote: > > Looks like you might be out of luck: libDSP is no longer in > active development.. unless you feel like fixing the asm problem > yourself.. > > Perhaps jack convolve will not depend on libDSP in the future... > > James > Hum tough luck... but I'll give a try to see if it was fixed in the development branch. There seems to be quiet some changes made to the X86.c file which contains the assembly routines. Thanks for the tips. __________________ Marc-Olivier Barre, Markinoko. From mista.tapas at gmx.net Wed Jan 3 12:55:58 2007 From: mista.tapas at gmx.net (Florian Schmidt) Date: Wed Jan 3 12:53:40 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Jack convolve compilation with gcc 4.1.0 (was: ladspa reverb) In-Reply-To: <3c808a150701030741r77e913c2l540b272244a5c554@mail.gmail.com> References: <3c808a150701020430v70c083abl25b66d8c0b68b50e@mail.gmail.com> <20070103153114.GA6558@moon.base> <3c808a150701030741r77e913c2l540b272244a5c554@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200701031855.58891.mista.tapas@gmx.net> On Wednesday 03 January 2007 16:41, Marc-Olivier Barre wrote: > On 1/3/07, James Stone wrote: > > Looks like you might be out of luck: libDSP is no longer in > > active development.. unless you feel like fixing the asm problem > > yourself.. > > > > Perhaps jack convolve will not depend on libDSP in the future... > > > > James > > Hum tough luck... but I'll give a try to see if it was fixed in the > development branch. There seems to be quiet some changes made to the > X86.c file which contains the assembly routines. > > Thanks for the tips. Well, you can always build libconvolve with a naive C implementation of the algo from libDSP. Have a look at the README (of libconvolve. jack_convolve simply uses libconvolve). This is much slower (i'd guess between 50% and 100% slower) but it should at least compile without problems. And if anyone feels like handcrafting ASM code, i'm happy to accept patches.. BTW: If everything fails, try Fons' convolution app (JACE).. Regards, Flo -- Palimm Palimm! http://tapas.affenbande.org From rlrevell at joe-job.com Wed Jan 3 13:13:24 2007 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Wed Jan 3 13:12:42 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: integrating fst support into 64studio vesion of Denian In-Reply-To: <000a01c72ec1$559459e0$6500a8c0@pavilion> References: <000a01c72ec1$559459e0$6500a8c0@pavilion> Message-ID: <1167848005.743.21.camel@mindpipe> On Tue, 2007-01-02 at 14:57 -0800, rshiflet@earthlink.net wrote: > I am new to this group so I hope this question makes sense and is not > too elementary, but I really need help. I have loaded the 64 studio OS > on to my PC and have now added wine from codeweavers. My problem is > when I try to use my Native Instruments B4 organ program it loads but > I cannot connect in Jack. > > Maybe FST is the missing link. Can anyone explain what I should do? I > am already way past my limited knowledge of Linux and could > desperately use the help. > > If I need fst is there a place I can download it. I have never > compiled anything, hope that will not be necessary. > > Linux Sampler is working great for me. Can't wait till LS 4.0 is > integrated! I think it's impossible to run 32 bit VSTs on a 64 bit system. Lee From markknecht at gmail.com Wed Jan 3 13:43:18 2007 From: markknecht at gmail.com (Mark Knecht) Date: Wed Jan 3 13:43:34 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: integrating fst support into 64studio vesion of Denian In-Reply-To: <1167848005.743.21.camel@mindpipe> References: <000a01c72ec1$559459e0$6500a8c0@pavilion> <1167848005.743.21.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <5bdc1c8b0701031043r7f240dcckbb205f596c7f8127@mail.gmail.com> On 1/3/07, Lee Revell wrote: > On Tue, 2007-01-02 at 14:57 -0800, rshiflet@earthlink.net wrote: > > I am new to this group so I hope this question makes sense and is not > > too elementary, but I really need help. I have loaded the 64 studio OS > > on to my PC and have now added wine from codeweavers. My problem is > > when I try to use my Native Instruments B4 organ program it loads but > > I cannot connect in Jack. > > > > Maybe FST is the missing link. Can anyone explain what I should do? I > > am already way past my limited knowledge of Linux and could > > desperately use the help. > > > > If I need fst is there a place I can download it. I have never > > compiled anything, hope that will not be necessary. > > > > Linux Sampler is working great for me. Can't wait till LS 4.0 is > > integrated! > > I think it's impossible to run 32 bit VSTs on a 64 bit system. > > Lee It works in a 32-bit chroot. Painful to setup and maintain but it does work. From osbusters at softhome.net Wed Jan 3 14:27:08 2007 From: osbusters at softhome.net (osbusters@softhome.net) Date: Wed Jan 3 14:27:22 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: dssi-vst In-Reply-To: <20070101174033.GF18470@localhost> References: <20070101174033.GF18470@localhost> Message-ID: Yves Thanks for your reply. Been sick with the flu so i've kinda "back-burnered" the whole deal. I tried your suggestion and got this response: Copyright (c) 2004 Chris Cannam - Fervent Software Plugin scanner version mismatch jack-dssi-host: Error: Plugin label "Pro-53.dll" not found in library "dssi-vst.so" Same message as always I don't know...I wonder if anyone knows where I can get the best compiled versions of dssi, dssi-vst and Rosegarden for Mandriva2006...that would help a lot I think. Yves Potin writes: > Le 01 Jan ? 03:55, osbusters@softhome.net ecrivait: > >> [ ~]# jack-dssi-host dssi-vst.so:Pro-53.dll >> >> jack-dssi-host: Warning: DSSI path not set > [...] >> VST_PATH not set, defaulting to /root/vst:/usr/local/lib/vst:/usr/lib/vst >> DSSI_PATH not set, defaulting to >> /root/.dssi:/usr/local/lib/dssi:/usr/lib/dssi > [...] >> jack-dssi-host: Error: Plugin label "Pro-53.dll" not found in library >> "dssi-vst.so" > > Hi. > First, it seems that you try to use your software as root, which > is *evil* :). > Second, for launching Crystal VST, I first enter this (as a normal > user of course, and in the same shell than the one I'll call the VST juste > after) : > export DSSI_PATH=/usr/lib/dssi > export VST_PATH=/home/yves/musique/vst/Crystal:/home/yves/musique/vst/effets:/ > This permits jack-dssi-host to find Crytal, and then the plugins > in /home/yves/musique/vst/effets > HTH, > > Y. From st at tobiah.org Wed Jan 3 15:00:48 2007 From: st at tobiah.org (Tobiah) Date: Wed Jan 3 15:01:26 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Alsa sound card order. In-Reply-To: <1167826808.11730.10.camel@c213-100-20-22.swipnet.se> References: <459B22F1.4000102@tobiah.org> <459B3DFA.9000605@tobiah.org> <1167826808.11730.10.camel@c213-100-20-22.swipnet.se> Message-ID: <459C0B70.2020700@tobiah.org> > > You can give every device their own card slot, regardless of the order > they are discovered in. This is an excerpt from my /etc/modprobe.conf: But I have the drivers compiled into the kernel, not modules, so this would have no effect, right? From st at tobiah.org Wed Jan 3 15:02:59 2007 From: st at tobiah.org (Tobiah) Date: Wed Jan 3 15:03:26 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Alsa sound card order. In-Reply-To: <9ffb61520701030340w7d0461bds191a9e021b272beb@mail.gmail.com> References: <459B22F1.4000102@tobiah.org> <459B3DFA.9000605@tobiah.org> <9ffb61520701030340w7d0461bds191a9e021b272beb@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <459C0BF3.4020904@tobiah.org> David Stephens wrote: > simple solution sudo asoundconf list prints a list of all sound cards in > the system > sudo asoundconf set-default-card "very nice sound card" > Will that also change which card gets /dev/dsp0 in OSS emulation? I only want to use two cards, but if I had three, would I be able to specify the order of all three? Thanks, Toby From atte.jensen at gmail.com Wed Jan 3 15:26:55 2007 From: atte.jensen at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Atte_Andr=E9_Jensen?=) Date: Wed Jan 3 15:27:25 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Alsa sound card order. In-Reply-To: <459C0B70.2020700@tobiah.org> References: <459B22F1.4000102@tobiah.org> <459B3DFA.9000605@tobiah.org> <1167826808.11730.10.camel@c213-100-20-22.swipnet.se> <459C0B70.2020700@tobiah.org> Message-ID: <459C118F.1080403@gmail.com> Tobiah wrote: > But I have the drivers compiled into the kernel, not modules, so this > would have no effect, right? I don't think it's a good idea to have alsa modules compiled into the kernel, at least it wasn't the last time I tried :-) -- peace, love & harmony Atte http://www.atte.dk | quintet: http://www.anagrammer.dk | compositions: http://www.atte.dk/compositions From st at tobiah.org Wed Jan 3 16:55:28 2007 From: st at tobiah.org (Tobiah) Date: Wed Jan 3 17:00:11 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Alsa sound card order. In-Reply-To: <459C118F.1080403@gmail.com> References: <459B22F1.4000102@tobiah.org> <459B3DFA.9000605@tobiah.org> <1167826808.11730.10.camel@c213-100-20-22.swipnet.se> <459C0B70.2020700@tobiah.org> <459C118F.1080403@gmail.com> Message-ID: <459C2650.2040104@tobiah.org> > > I don't think it's a good idea to have alsa modules compiled into the > kernel, at least it wasn't the last time I tried :-) > I've been running like that for quite a while. I don't seem to have any problems, save this card order thing, which as Lars pointed out could be solved if I was using modules. From ka1iic at prexar.com Wed Jan 3 18:02:21 2007 From: ka1iic at prexar.com (Vince Werber) Date: Wed Jan 3 17:02:11 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Alsa sound card order. In-Reply-To: <459C0BF3.4020904@tobiah.org> References: <459B22F1.4000102@tobiah.org> <459B3DFA.9000605@tobiah.org> <9ffb61520701030340w7d0461bds191a9e021b272beb@mail.gmail.com> <459C0BF3.4020904@tobiah.org> Message-ID: Not to butt in but... Hmmmm I've got to mess aound with my setting for a 'new' junk machine I am fooling around with... If it was just for OSS applications you could do re-directs in the device drivers I guess... I've got to do that one myself sometime this week because I'm setting up two 'cards'... one on the mother board and the other as a PCI card... Alsa sees these two cards 'backwards' to my way of thinking and need... It sees the mother board card as 'card1' and the plugin card as 'card0'... I alsa need to set up /dev/dsp1 to card1... Alsa only set up emulation to /dev/dsp (/dev/dsp0) and ignors the second card altogether... It's been quite awhile since I have done these simple tasks and need a refresher course... for sure ;-O Seems 'X' has got me away from the console I keep listening to this thread... I need an education too... Have a good day and a better tomorrow... thanks too also... vince On Wed, 3 Jan 2007, Tobiah wrote: > David Stephens wrote: >> simple solution sudo asoundconf list prints a list of all sound cards in >> the system >> sudo asoundconf set-default-card "very nice sound card" >> > > Will that also change which card gets /dev/dsp0 in OSS emulation? > I only want to use two cards, but if I had three, would I be able > to specify the order of all three? > > Thanks, > > Toby > From gavmusic at meadowside.efhmail.com Wed Jan 3 17:42:01 2007 From: gavmusic at meadowside.efhmail.com (Gavin Stevens) Date: Wed Jan 3 17:59:18 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: a beat of rhythmic noise In-Reply-To: <20061228162830.A6C6453E620C@music.columbia.edu> References: <20061228162830.A6C6453E620C@music.columbia.edu> Message-ID: <20070103224201.19d4e7a6@localhost> Hi Dmitry, Wow!!! "Beat27" is just brilliant - a real tour de force in making much out of very simple resources. It's good to be a little scared sometimes :-) Many thanks for sharing this fine track. I look forward to hearing more of your work. Best wishes, Gavin. > Hi! > Merry day after day after day after Christmas! > > For those enjoying, listen to > > http://konstruktiv.org/_media/c0ff/music/beat27.ogg > > sw: jackd, timemachine, hdspmixer > hw: hdsp, a6, mpx550 > > mandatory /dev/hands + /dev/ears. > > > For your pleasure, > Dmitry. > > > ------------------------------ From hanaghan at wildblue.net Wed Jan 3 19:37:42 2007 From: hanaghan at wildblue.net (Russell Hanaghan) Date: Wed Jan 3 19:34:12 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: dssi-vst In-Reply-To: References: <20070101174033.GF18470@localhost> Message-ID: <459C4C56.8060208@wildblue.net> osbusters@softhome.net wrote: > Yves > Thanks for your reply. > Been sick with the flu so i've kinda "back-burnered" the whole deal. > I tried your suggestion and got this response: > Copyright (c) 2004 Chris Cannam - Fervent Software > Plugin scanner version mismatch > jack-dssi-host: Error: Plugin label "Pro-53.dll" not found in library > "dssi-vst.so" > Same message as always > I don't know...I wonder if anyone knows where I can get the best > compiled versions of dssi, dssi-vst and Rosegarden for > Mandriva2006...that would help a lot I think. > Try http://rpm.nyvalls.se I never had any luck with dssi-vst mainly because of it's inability to interpret long file names or segmented / deprecated name. R From osbusters at softhome.net Wed Jan 3 21:29:02 2007 From: osbusters at softhome.net (osbusters@softhome.net) Date: Wed Jan 3 21:29:13 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: dssi-vst In-Reply-To: <459C4C56.8060208@wildblue.net> References: <20070101174033.GF18470@localhost> <459C4C56.8060208@wildblue.net> Message-ID: Russell Hanaghan writes: >> > Try http://rpm.nyvalls.se > > I never had any luck with dssi-vst mainly because of it's inability to > interpret long file names or segmented / deprecated name. > > R Thanks for the link. If not dssi-vst, then what do people use to wrap vsti's for use in Rosegarden? From hanaghan at wildblue.net Wed Jan 3 21:44:43 2007 From: hanaghan at wildblue.net (Russell Hanaghan) Date: Wed Jan 3 21:40:12 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: dssi-vst In-Reply-To: References: <20070101174033.GF18470@localhost> <459C4C56.8060208@wildblue.net> Message-ID: <459C6A1B.1050205@wildblue.net> osbusters@softhome.net wrote: > Russell Hanaghan writes: > >>> >> Try http://rpm.nyvalls.se >> I never had any luck with dssi-vst mainly because of it's inability >> to interpret long file names or segmented / deprecated name. >> R > > Thanks for the link. > If not dssi-vst, then what do people use to wrap vsti's for use in > Rosegarden? > Last time I used them (been awhile), I used fst. Connect them all via Qjackctl / Jack for audio recording in RG. Does not apply to any midi sequencing unless your connecting output of midi module or soundfonts (Qsynth for eg.) via jack. Thac has fst and all the goodies for Mandriva. Some of his packages are not so current which is odd. I have not talked with him in some time now. I have no doubt he is busy. Cheers ~R From osbusters at softhome.net Wed Jan 3 21:44:33 2007 From: osbusters at softhome.net (osbusters@softhome.net) Date: Wed Jan 3 21:44:52 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: dssi-vst In-Reply-To: <459C4C56.8060208@wildblue.net> References: <20070101174033.GF18470@localhost> <459C4C56.8060208@wildblue.net> Message-ID: Russell Hanaghan writes: >> > Try http://rpm.nyvalls.se > > I never had any luck with dssi-vst mainly because of it's inability to > interpret long file names or segmented / deprecated name. > > R I don't mean to pester, but this is my first serious attempt at creating a DAW in Linux, after years of recording in Windows. Is there any good DAW's for Dummies type book I could check out? From what I can tell, Rosegarden is not to difficult for anyone familiar with Cubase, Sonar or Logic...but without the capacity to run Virtual Synths, it's mostly of no use to me. Thx for your patience. If I can get this sorted I'll be up to speed in no time (i hope). From what I can tell in the /usr/lib/dssi folder...the dssi virtual synth format had a .so "library" file and a folder containing the virtual synth-extension something like _qt. What do I use to convert my .dll files to this format? Is this what happens? and is this how Rosegarden identifies these files as synths (as it now does with the "trivials")? Thanks From boggystudios at gmail.com Wed Jan 3 21:59:10 2007 From: boggystudios at gmail.com (Matt Carr) Date: Wed Jan 3 21:59:19 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Problem trying to compile kernel with real time patch Message-ID: <459C6D7E.8080501@gmail.com> Hi everyone, I am trying to compile a realtime kernel using this guide https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HowToVanillaKernelWithRealtimePreemption except I am using the 2.6.19 kernel instead of the 2.6.16 kernel as the guide says and I am using the 2.6.19-rt15 ingo patch instead of the 2.6.16-rt26. I am also applying the bootsplash patch bootsplash-3.1.6-2.6.18.diff. I have no problems patching the kernel source The only thing that I can't do is change the setting " *Processor type and features > High Resolution Timer resolution (nanoseconds)* to /1000/. " because I can't find it. I figured that it was just taken out of the kernel by the time 2.6.19 rolled around. However the compile fails with this error CC [M] lib/zlib_deflate/deflate_syms.o LD [M] lib/zlib_deflate/zlib_deflate.o Building modules, stage 2. MODPOST 1583 modules WARNING: Can't handle masks in drivers/ide/pci/atiixp:FFFF05 WARNING: "pm_active" [arch/i386/kernel/apm.ko] undefined! WARNING: "pm_send_all" [arch/i386/kernel/apm.ko] undefined! make[2]: *** [__modpost] Error 1 make[1]: *** [modules] Error 2 make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/linux-2.6.19-rt15' make: *** [stamp-build] Error 2 root@matt-desktop:/usr/src/linux# Any suggestions? Need any more info? P.S. Is an AMD Athlon 2600+ processor concidered i386, or i686, or does it matter? From lars.luthman at gmail.com Wed Jan 3 22:06:48 2007 From: lars.luthman at gmail.com (Lars Luthman) Date: Wed Jan 3 22:06:58 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: dssi-vst In-Reply-To: References: <20070101174033.GF18470@localhost> <459C4C56.8060208@wildblue.net> Message-ID: <1167880008.11730.23.camel@c213-100-20-22.swipnet.se> On Wed, 2007-01-03 at 19:44 -0700, osbusters@softhome.net wrote: > From what I can tell in the /usr/lib/dssi folder...the dssi virtual synth > format had a .so "library" file and a folder containing the virtual > synth-extension something like _qt. What do I use to convert my .dll files > to this format? The .so file is a Linux shared object file containing the DSSI synth itself, and the files in the folder with the same basename are GUI programs that can be used to control the synths (and are started automatically by some hosts). You can not "convert" a VST DLL for Windows into a DSSI plugin - there are wrappers like dssi-vst that will act as an interface between a DSSI host (e.g. Rosegarden) and a VST plugin, but they depend on Wine and are thus not that reliable. Unless you have some VSTs that you really need I would recommend that you try using native Linux synths instead. -- Lars Luthman - please encrypt any email sent to me if possible PGP key: http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x04C77E2E Fingerprint: FCA7 C790 19B9 322D EB7A E1B3 4371 4650 04C7 7E2E -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part Url : http://music.columbia.edu/pipermail/linux-audio-user/attachments/20070104/9f71e89a/attachment.bin From hanaghan at wildblue.net Thu Jan 4 01:07:24 2007 From: hanaghan at wildblue.net (Russell Hanaghan) Date: Thu Jan 4 01:02:43 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: dssi-vst In-Reply-To: References: <20070101174033.GF18470@localhost> <459C4C56.8060208@wildblue.net> Message-ID: <459C999C.8000407@wildblue.net> osbusters@softhome.net wrote: > Russell Hanaghan writes: >>> >> Try http://rpm.nyvalls.se >> I never had any luck with dssi-vst mainly because of it's inability >> to interpret long file names or segmented / deprecated name. >> R > > I don't mean to pester, but this is my first serious attempt at > creating a DAW in Linux, after years of recording in Windows. > Is there any good DAW's for Dummies type book I could check out? From > what I can tell, Rosegarden is not to difficult for anyone familiar > with Cubase, Sonar or Logic...but without the capacity to run Virtual > Synths, it's mostly of no use to me. > Thx for your patience. If I can get this sorted I'll be up to speed in > no time (i hope). > From what I can tell in the /usr/lib/dssi folder...the dssi virtual > synth format had a .so "library" file and a folder containing the > virtual synth-extension something like _qt. What do I use to convert > my .dll files to this format? > Is this what happens? and is this how Rosegarden identifies these > files as synths (as it now does with the "trivials")? > Thanks > Your not pestering. At least, not NEARLY as much as I did when I started! Ask Dave Phillips how relentless *my* whining was when I tried in vane to make vst's work in Linux! :D He was one of many great folks here that helped me out. Bottom line (IMHO)...There's a tad more effort to linux audio than "point <--> click '.exe. <---> learn software traits and personality! You have to learn an entirely new OS too (if you have no previous experience with unix / linux). It's not a quick, simple thing. Lots of reading, hours messing with software, etc. BUT, the trade off for ease in Windows is that it robs resources and horse power from your machine. WIn XP wont even run on older boxes with its thirst fro RAM. And theres little to nothing you can do to change it. Not so with Linux! You can run lighter window managers in the Xserver for example that leave more memory and resources for music. Its generally totally taylorable to your personal needs and the biggest difference is the latency you can achieve with the patched kernels! Check some of these links; http://quicktoots.linuxaudio.org/ http://linux-sound.org/ Read up on the vst stuff but also on realtime kernels and some of the major differences between Windows and Linux (found by our great lord of websites "Google") And back to Vst topic; My take is this...yes, there's an element of purity to keeping it all native to Linux by utilizing LADSPA fx. Some of them are really nice! But I also like many of my VST's too. And one as an example, is a softsynth called HyperCanvas by Roland (Edirol). It is a software version of a GM2 128 voice midi synth module and the sounds (Drums, bass, all regular GM2 spec instruments) just kick ass! Theres a VERY nice reverb that is free called "Ambience" and a multi fx called LFX1310. I have found the midi synth VERY useful with RoseGarden and Muse. Getting it to run was a pain but it works. For other midi sound modules, your next best bet is Qsynth (Front end GUI for Fluidsynth) which you can load sound fonts such as those utilized in Soundblaster soundcards. I say, do whatever works best for you. I have no ethical problem running windows stuff (in music production) in Linux while the apps that are out there come up in both quality and quantity. Its a "do whatever sounds good to you" thing AFAIC. And the evolution of Linux audio has been swift and strong in the last few years so there is much progress. Don't give up. Google until your eyes bleed and read, read, read! I promise it *will* be worth it. Cheers! Russell P.S. It *may* be better to not do this when your sick! It requires patience! :) From atte.jensen at gmail.com Thu Jan 4 05:27:32 2007 From: atte.jensen at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Atte_Andr=E9_Jensen?=) Date: Thu Jan 4 05:27:42 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] mhwaveedit, no auto connect Message-ID: <459CD694.3020306@gmail.com> Hi My mhwaveedit automatically connects its inputs to alsa_pcm. I though it might have been something I setup myself in the qjackctl patchbay, but it seems not. Is there anyway to make mhwaveedit *not* connect to anything on startup? -- peace, love & harmony Atte http://www.atte.dk | quintet: http://www.anagrammer.dk | compositions: http://www.atte.dk/compositions From yves at jazzcomputer.org Thu Jan 4 05:32:58 2007 From: yves at jazzcomputer.org (Yves Potin) Date: Thu Jan 4 05:33:06 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: dssi-vst In-Reply-To: References: <20070101174033.GF18470@localhost> Message-ID: <20070104103258.GC30038@localhost> Le 03 Jan ? 12:27, osbusters@softhome.net ecrivait: > jack-dssi-host: Error: Plugin label "Pro-53.dll" not found in library > "dssi-vst.so" > > Same message as always Are you *absolutely sure* that the command ? printenv VST_PATH ?, typed in the same shell than the one in which you called the VST and received this error message, shows you the full path, starting with a /, where you VST's dll resides in ? If printenv is not available for whatever reason, echo $VST_PATH will do. I suppose that you try to do this with a 32 bits OS, or in a 32 bits chroot under a 64 bits system as Mark Knecht said yesterday. Best , Y. From magnus.hjorth at home.se Thu Jan 4 05:42:11 2007 From: magnus.hjorth at home.se (Magnus Hjorth) Date: Thu Jan 4 05:42:21 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] mhwaveedit, no auto connect In-Reply-To: <459CD694.3020306@gmail.com> References: <459CD694.3020306@gmail.com> Message-ID: <459CDA03.6050108@home.se> Go to "Edit/Preferences...", Sound tab, click Settings... /Magnus Atte Andr? Jensen wrote: > Hi > > My mhwaveedit automatically connects its inputs to alsa_pcm. I though > it might have been something I setup myself in the qjackctl patchbay, > but it seems not. > > Is there anyway to make mhwaveedit *not* connect to anything on startup? > From atte.jensen at gmail.com Thu Jan 4 06:11:18 2007 From: atte.jensen at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Atte_Andr=E9_Jensen?=) Date: Thu Jan 4 06:11:29 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] mhwaveedit, no auto connect In-Reply-To: <459CDA03.6050108@home.se> References: <459CD694.3020306@gmail.com> <459CDA03.6050108@home.se> Message-ID: <459CE0D6.2030800@gmail.com> Magnus Hjorth wrote: > Go to "Edit/Preferences...", Sound tab, click Settings... Ahrgh, thanks :-) -- peace, love & harmony Atte http://www.atte.dk | quintet: http://www.anagrammer.dk | compositions: http://www.atte.dk/compositions From october001 at gmail.com Wed Jan 3 13:45:16 2007 From: october001 at gmail.com (Jon H) Date: Thu Jan 4 06:54:22 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: integrating fst support into 64studio vesion of Denian In-Reply-To: <000a01c72ec1$559459e0$6500a8c0@pavilion> References: <000a01c72ec1$559459e0$6500a8c0@pavilion> Message-ID: Yup, I believe Lee is correct. 32bit VSTi's won't run in a 64bit wine enviroment. There are ways to do it though, I believe, including working inside a 32bit chroot'd sandbox (google for it) containing 32bit binaries and libs but if you are going to jump through that many flaming hoops you might as well just install a 32bit linux in the first place. Don't feel bad about doing that either. I run an AMD 64 with a 64bit debian for trying stuff out and messing around and a 32bit debian just for music production. Best, Jon Hoskins On 1/2/07, rshiflet@earthlink.net wrote: > > I am new to this group so I hope this question makes sense and is not too > elementary, but I really need help. I have loaded the 64 studio OS on to my > PC and have now added wine from codeweavers. My problem is when I try to use > my Native Instruments B4 organ program it loads but I cannot connect in > Jack. > > Maybe FST is the missing link. Can anyone explain what I should do? I am > already way past my limited knowledge of Linux and could desperately use the > help. > > If I need fst is there a place I can download it. I have never compiled > anything, hope that will not be necessary. > > Linux Sampler is working great for me. Can't wait till LS 4.0 is > integrated! > > Richard Shiflet > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://music.columbia.edu/pipermail/linux-audio-user/attachments/20070103/21f87ea5/attachment-0001.html From october001 at gmail.com Wed Jan 3 13:53:26 2007 From: october001 at gmail.com (Jon H) Date: Thu Jan 4 06:54:28 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Alsa sound card order. In-Reply-To: <9ffb61520701030340w7d0461bds191a9e021b272beb@mail.gmail.com> References: <459B22F1.4000102@tobiah.org> <459B3DFA.9000605@tobiah.org> <9ffb61520701030340w7d0461bds191a9e021b272beb@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Now THAT is slick! Thanks David! I wonder why I haven't read that anywhere before? Think I'm going to sticky note that in my blog. Jon Hoskins On 1/3/07, David Stephens wrote: > > simple solution sudo asoundconf list prints a list of all sound cards in > the system > sudo asoundconf set-default-card "very nice sound card" > > On 1/3/07, St wrote: > > > > Solved for now, I think. I haven't built a kernel in > > a while, and I thought that including the native OSS support > > would get me my /dev/dsp* stuff back. After reading some > > internet, I realized that the OSS stuff is truly out of the > > loop, and one really wants to build in the OSS emulation > > stuff that is under the ALSA menu. > > > > So, after rebooting many times, and answering the nvidia > > driver questions as many times, I still wonder about the > > issue of card order. Right now all is ok, but I've heard > > many reports of card order swapping from boot to boot. Not > > so hot. > > > > Experiences? > > > > Thanks, > > > > Tobiah > > > > St wrote: > > > I am using alsa drivers built right into the kernel, rather than > > > modules. My Kubuntu system figures that my M-audio card is 0, and > > > the Soundblaster is 1. I want to reverse that. Can I? > > > > > > The reason for this, is that many apps seem to be unable to play > > > through the M-audio. I'm thinking it's because they use the OSS > > > interface, and there is no OSS kernel option for the ice1712. > > > Could that be true? > > > > > > Actually, after booting my new kernel, I find that there are no > > > /dev/dsp* devices at all. No wonder the non-alsa apps don't work. > > > Still, I checked OSS support, and support for the Live! card. > > > Not sure why I don't have at least /dev/dsp0. > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > Tobiah > > > > > > > -- > "When you get to the end of all the light you know and it's time to step > into the darkness of the unknown, faith is knowing that one of two things > shall happen: either you will be given something solid to stand on, or you > will be taught how to fly." --Dr. Edward Teller -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://music.columbia.edu/pipermail/linux-audio-user/attachments/20070103/ba81d526/attachment.html From chris.m.simpson at gmail.com Wed Jan 3 21:41:06 2007 From: chris.m.simpson at gmail.com (chris simpson) Date: Thu Jan 4 06:54:32 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: dssi-vst In-Reply-To: References: <20070101174033.GF18470@localhost> <459C4C56.8060208@wildblue.net> Message-ID: if you're building dssi yourself from source, try this. this is how i've got it working.. # /path/to/dssi-dir/vsthost /home/chris/.vstplugins/vstplugin.dll actually, my setup is a hack. something in the source wouldn't compile, but there was no (ccrma) rpm for fedora 6, so it's a mixture of my compilation and some binaries from a fedora 5 rpm. but it seems to work.. alternatively, you could also try fst/FreeST. i can never remember where the homepage for that is though... On 04/01/07, osbusters@softhome.net wrote: > > Russell Hanaghan writes: > > > >> > > Try http://rpm.nyvalls.se > > > > I never had any luck with dssi-vst mainly because of it's inability to > > interpret long file names or segmented / deprecated name. > > > > R > > Thanks for the link. > If not dssi-vst, then what do people use to wrap vsti's for use in > Rosegarden? > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://music.columbia.edu/pipermail/linux-audio-user/attachments/20070104/7ba26e67/attachment.html From perlanegra.proyect at gmail.com Thu Jan 4 06:54:15 2007 From: perlanegra.proyect at gmail.com (perlanegra proyect) Date: Thu Jan 4 07:01:47 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] new hip hop un-strumentals made in Linux :) Message-ID: <311b5a1a0701040354i6b69c1e6v18ffc580d4a8d9a4@mail.gmail.com> hallo everybody again.. These last days I've uploaded a pair of remixes made in Linux, they are a pair of hip hop un-strumentals, more than 30 tracks to made a pair of simple beats, I'd just like to share them with u and maybe have some feedback... I'd like to hear your opinion :) I've used some Freesound(s), and some samples produced by myself with diverse software, I just can say I hope u like it.. u can dowload them here: http://perlssdj.blogspot.com/2007/01/404-not-found-new-unstrumental-hip-hop.html Enjoy them... and B happy this new 2007 ;) Peace & Linux forever... PerlssDj -- ... subliminal stuff at http://perlssdj.blogspot.com... From t_w_ at freenet.de Thu Jan 4 08:19:23 2007 From: t_w_ at freenet.de (Thorsten Wilms) Date: Thu Jan 4 08:23:34 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] new hip hop un-strumentals made in Linux :) In-Reply-To: <311b5a1a0701040354i6b69c1e6v18ffc580d4a8d9a4@mail.gmail.com> References: <311b5a1a0701040354i6b69c1e6v18ffc580d4a8d9a4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20070104131923.GA5435@charly.SWORD> On Thu, Jan 04, 2007 at 12:54:15PM +0100, perlanegra proyect wrote: > http://perlssdj.blogspot.com/2007/01/404-not-found-new-unstrumental-hip-hop.html File_Not_Found is out of timing in a way that makes me ill, sorry. Server_Not_Found is nice, but doesn't do enough to keep me interested for 6 minutes. The palette is rather limited. I guess you really like dry sounds, but while it helps with some punch, there's no room impression. Sounds that develop/morph over time would have been nice. -- Thorsten Wilms Thorwil's Creature Illustrations: http://www.printfection.com/thorwil From perlanegra.proyect at gmail.com Thu Jan 4 09:22:08 2007 From: perlanegra.proyect at gmail.com (perlanegra proyect) Date: Thu Jan 4 09:22:26 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] new hip hop un-strumentals made in Linux :) In-Reply-To: <20070104131923.GA5435@charly.SWORD> References: <311b5a1a0701040354i6b69c1e6v18ffc580d4a8d9a4@mail.gmail.com> <20070104131923.GA5435@charly.SWORD> Message-ID: <311b5a1a0701040622k6a4e76c2o66d224d57e69e892@mail.gmail.com> sorry if u haven't enjoy them... the palette is limited because I hadn't too many samples to use, and yes, i prefer the dry souds to the wet sounds, if u want wet sounds try a search 4 the "Riding the Sunrise" tracks onto my blog, on these last songs I haven't used time fx, just raw sounds sequenced, I was really bored :) U can find the Riding the Sunrise tracks here: http://www.archive.org/details/Riding_the_Sunrise_Proyect_by_PerlssDj If u want time morphings u can try it with these songs: http://www.archive.org/details/CREEPS_EP allways, thanks to listen them :) greetings... > > File_Not_Found is out of timing in a way that makes me ill, sorry. > > Server_Not_Found is nice, but doesn't do enough to keep me interested > for 6 minutes. The palette is rather limited. I guess you really like > dry sounds, but while it helps with some punch, there's no room > impression. Sounds that develop/morph over time would have been nice. > > > -- > Thorsten Wilms > > Thorwil's Creature Illustrations: > http://www.printfection.com/thorwil > -- ... subliminal stuff at http://perlssdj.blogspot.com... From christhemonkey at gmail.com Thu Jan 4 14:38:48 2007 From: christhemonkey at gmail.com (chris beagles) Date: Thu Jan 4 14:40:09 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Music In-Reply-To: <45917AE8.902@gmail.com> References: <79eea87e0612241430n1063a20dja788c5586d3b7aae@mail.gmail.com> <458F0C28.9040103@gmail.com> <79eea87e0612260544i27d248a6s907545375b276c9b@mail.gmail.com> <45915693.5080201@gmail.com> <79eea87e0612261018h1667282fjb4968c2b063c4329@mail.gmail.com> <45917AE8.902@gmail.com> Message-ID: <79eea87e0701041138i5b34fce2qa5cd04ec0df34ad3@mail.gmail.com> On 12/26/06, Atte Andr? Jensen wrote: > chris beagles wrote: > > > I'll re-record it with these chords substituted an then maybe add in a > > bass part to go with it. > > Looking forward to hearing the new version! > Sorry this has taken forever.... iv had some minor hosting issues. http://chrisbeagles.110mb.com/index.htm I dont like the new version of this tune though and i didnt get around to replacing the diminished chords yet... so a newer version will be available soon! Chris > -- > peace, love & harmony > Atte From capocasa at gmx.net Thu Jan 4 14:55:00 2007 From: capocasa at gmx.net (Carlo Capocasa) Date: Thu Jan 4 14:55:27 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Linux Vocoder (?) In-Reply-To: References: <20060723194236.21915.qmail@web36807.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <44C3E867.80904@joow.be> <44C40539.3060402@isonews2.com> Message-ID: > http://www.nongnu.org/om-synth/ > Very flexible ladspa host. > You could try using it in Om (in processes of being renamed ingen) A fantastic host, if you don't take into account Dave Robillard doesn't play golf or collect stamps but rather writes rude replies to user requests. (Not that he owes me anything and he gave me a lot with Om the way it is, but it was enough for me to sit in a corner and act insulted for a while) But yeah. The Om/Vocoder plugin combination is a winner and I'm using it. Carlo From capocasa at gmx.net Thu Jan 4 14:59:20 2007 From: capocasa at gmx.net (Carlo Capocasa) Date: Thu Jan 4 15:00:15 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Vocoder Working In-Reply-To: <20060724221943.72580.qmail@web36815.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060724221943.72580.qmail@web36815.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I use Om together with the 'Amplitude Measurement' and 'Frequency Tracker' plugins hooked up to a saw oscillator. That way you can have a true singing vocoder. Carlo From capocasa at gmx.net Thu Jan 4 14:56:47 2007 From: capocasa at gmx.net (Carlo Capocasa) Date: Thu Jan 4 15:05:49 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Linux Vocoder (?) In-Reply-To: <44C40539.3060402@isonews2.com> References: <20060723194236.21915.qmail@web36807.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <44C3E867.80904@joow.be> <44C40539.3060402@isonews2.com> Message-ID: Gee, Johan, why is it you are working on everything I want to use for my act? This is really starting to blow my mind. Carlo From capocasa at gmx.net Thu Jan 4 15:04:49 2007 From: capocasa at gmx.net (Carlo Capocasa) Date: Thu Jan 4 15:10:24 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: new hip hop un-strumentals made in Linux :) In-Reply-To: <311b5a1a0701040354i6b69c1e6v18ffc580d4a8d9a4@mail.gmail.com> References: <311b5a1a0701040354i6b69c1e6v18ffc580d4a8d9a4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: You know, as a general idea I'm wondering if it's a good idea to make computer themed music with computers. It's a little bit incestuous. Maybe it would be a good idea to use the power of computers to make music about sex. Carlo From t_w_ at freenet.de Thu Jan 4 15:13:47 2007 From: t_w_ at freenet.de (Thorsten Wilms) Date: Thu Jan 4 15:13:55 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Linux Vocoder (?) In-Reply-To: References: <20060723194236.21915.qmail@web36807.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <44C3E867.80904@joow.be> <44C40539.3060402@isonews2.com> Message-ID: <20070104201347.GB5435@charly.SWORD> On Thu, Jan 04, 2007 at 08:55:00PM +0100, Carlo Capocasa wrote: > > A fantastic host, if you don't take into account Dave Robillard doesn't > play golf or collect stamps but rather writes rude replies to user requests. He doesn't play golf or collects stamps (AFAIR) yes, he writes software. Far more than rude replies. Then take into account that users (including me) can be pretty rude, too ;p -- Thorsten Wilms Thorwil's Creature Illustrations: http://www.printfection.com/thorwil From capocasa at gmx.net Thu Jan 4 15:27:02 2007 From: capocasa at gmx.net (Carlo Capocasa) Date: Thu Jan 4 15:27:21 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Linux Vocoder (?) In-Reply-To: <20070104201347.GB5435@charly.SWORD> References: <20060723194236.21915.qmail@web36807.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <44C3E867.80904@joow.be> <44C40539.3060402@isonews2.com> <20070104201347.GB5435@charly.SWORD> Message-ID: > He doesn't play golf or collects stamps (AFAIR) yes, he writes > software. Far more than rude replies. Then take into account that > users (including me) can be pretty rude, too ;p Yeah. And very good software. But he did give me a great opportunity to act insulted, so I'm going to enjoy it while it lasts. But more than that, we're probably just collectively saddened that while it's great he gets to work on Open Source for Google, I just somehow can't stop wishing he'd get to work on Ingen for Google. Carlo From t_w_ at freenet.de Thu Jan 4 15:36:50 2007 From: t_w_ at freenet.de (Thorsten Wilms) Date: Thu Jan 4 15:37:03 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Linux Vocoder (?) In-Reply-To: References: <20060723194236.21915.qmail@web36807.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <44C3E867.80904@joow.be> <44C40539.3060402@isonews2.com> <20070104201347.GB5435@charly.SWORD> Message-ID: <20070104203650.GC5435@charly.SWORD> On Thu, Jan 04, 2007 at 09:27:02PM +0100, Carlo Capocasa wrote: > But more than that, we're probably just collectively saddened that while > it's great he gets to work on Open Source for Google, I just somehow > can't stop wishing he'd get to work on Ingen for Google. Got to. Not for Google, just sponsored by Google. -- Thorsten Wilms From capocasa at gmx.net Thu Jan 4 15:40:54 2007 From: capocasa at gmx.net (Carlo Capocasa) Date: Thu Jan 4 15:41:17 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Free society Revisited (Was: Vocoder) In-Reply-To: <20070104203650.GC5435@charly.SWORD> References: <20060723194236.21915.qmail@web36807.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <44C3E867.80904@joow.be> <44C40539.3060402@isonews2.com> <20070104201347.GB5435@charly.SWORD> <20070104203650.GC5435@charly.SWORD> Message-ID: > Got to. > Not for Google, just sponsored by Google. Yeah... we really need to start persuading farmers and cereal manufacturers and Pizza delivery people and builders and furniture people and engineers (and-so-on) to start giving parts of *their* stuff away for free. Carlo From tdhoward at gmail.com Thu Jan 4 17:19:37 2007 From: tdhoward at gmail.com (Tim Howard) Date: Thu Jan 4 17:19:49 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Free society Revisited (Was: Vocoder) In-Reply-To: References: <20060723194236.21915.qmail@web36807.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <44C3E867.80904@joow.be> <44C40539.3060402@isonews2.com> <20070104201347.GB5435@charly.SWORD> <20070104203650.GC5435@charly.SWORD> Message-ID: On 1/4/07, Carlo Capocasa wrote: > > > Got to. > > Not for Google, just sponsored by Google. > > Yeah... we really need to start persuading farmers and cereal > manufacturers and Pizza delivery people and builders and furniture > people and engineers (and-so-on) to start giving parts of *their* stuff > away for free. > > Carlo That's why I never tip pizza delivery people.... ;-) From arnold.krille at gmail.com Thu Jan 4 17:28:27 2007 From: arnold.krille at gmail.com (Arnold Krille) Date: Thu Jan 4 17:29:49 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] OT: Help on Headphone-Amp Message-ID: <2def88b80701041428p6614f188oc6e02929e9c8558a@mail.gmail.com> Hi all, since there are people with some knowledge on this list I want to take advantage of that. I am currently looking for a headphone-amp for the current (and future) CD-recording. Since my wife already authorized buying a presonus firepod, I am looking for an amp with (at least) 4 separate channels (as in 4 in, 4 out). On the net I found the "Terratec Sine HP 48" and the "SM Pro Audio HP6" to have the features I want while being in the financial league I am speaking of. I know Behringer's Powerplay is _the_ standard, but the 8-channel-device seems to much channels and (more importently) to costs while the smaller 4-channel-device doesn't allow the routing I want. Can anyone help me with the above decision or point me to other alternatives? Thanks in advance, Arnold -- visit http://www.arnoldarts.de/ --- Wenn man mit Raubkopien Bands wie Brosis oder Britney Spears wirklich verhindern k?nnte, w?rde ich mir noch heute einen Stapel Brenner und einen Sack Rohlinge kaufen. From cannam at all-day-breakfast.com Thu Jan 4 17:29:11 2007 From: cannam at all-day-breakfast.com (Chris Cannam) Date: Thu Jan 4 17:30:17 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: dssi-vst In-Reply-To: References: <20070101174033.GF18470@localhost> Message-ID: <200701042229.11656.cannam@all-day-breakfast.com> On Wednesday 03 Jan 2007 19:27, osbusters@softhome.net wrote: > Plugin scanner version mismatch This would normally mean that the file /usr/{local/}lib/dssi/dssi-vst/dssi-vst-scanner.exe.so originated in a different version of dssi-vst from the file /usr/{local/}lib/dssi/dssi-vst/dssi-vst-server.exe.so Or possibly that there are two different versions installed, for example one in /usr and one in /usr/local. Chris From capocasa at gmx.net Thu Jan 4 18:49:06 2007 From: capocasa at gmx.net (Carlo Capocasa) Date: Thu Jan 4 18:49:22 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Free society Revisited (Was: Vocoder) In-Reply-To: References: <20060723194236.21915.qmail@web36807.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <44C3E867.80904@joow.be> <44C40539.3060402@isonews2.com> <20070104201347.GB5435@charly.SWORD> <20070104203650.GC5435@charly.SWORD> Message-ID: >> Yeah... we really need to start persuading farmers and cereal >> manufacturers and Pizza delivery people and builders and furniture >> people and engineers (and-so-on) to start giving parts of *their* stuff >> away for free. > > That's why I never tip pizza delivery people.... ;-) > AAAAAAAAAWWWW... Well people stuck in the capitalist mindset (especially on the lower end of it) do deserve to be treated with compassion and an appreciation for what makes them tick as long as they're just delivering Pizza. But I guess you could always sing for them. Carlo (Okay everyone deserves to be treated with compassion it just happens to be more difficult for me when people get too successful in hierarchical organizations) From boggystudios at gmail.com Thu Jan 4 19:10:37 2007 From: boggystudios at gmail.com (Matt Carr) Date: Thu Jan 4 19:09:51 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Can't compile 2.6.19 kernel with rt patch Message-ID: <459D977D.2070509@gmail.com> Hi everyone, I am trying to compile a realtime kernel using this guide https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HowToVanillaKernelWithRealtimePreemption except I am using the 2.6.19 kernel instead of the 2.6.16 kernel as the guide says and I am using the 2.6.19-rt15 ingo patch instead of the 2.6.16-rt26. I am also applying the bootsplash patch bootsplash-3.1.6-2.6.18.diff. I have no problems patching the kernel source The only thing that I can't do is change the setting " *Processor type and features > High Resolution Timer resolution (nanoseconds)* to /1000/. " because I can't find it. I figured that it was just taken out of the kernel by the time 2.6.19 rolled around. However the compile fails with this error CC [M] lib/zlib_deflate/deflate_syms.o LD [M] lib/zlib_deflate/zlib_deflate.o Building modules, stage 2. MODPOST 1583 modules WARNING: Can't handle masks in drivers/ide/pci/atiixp:FFFF05 WARNING: "pm_active" [arch/i386/kernel/apm.ko] undefined! WARNING: "pm_send_all" [arch/i386/kernel/apm.ko] undefined! make[2]: *** [__modpost] Error 1 make[1]: *** [modules] Error 2 make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/linux-2.6.19-rt15' make: *** [stamp-build] Error 2 root@matt-desktop:/usr/src/linux# Any suggestions? Need any more info? P.S. Is an AMD Athlon 2600+ processor concidered i386, or i686, or does it matter? From capocasa at gmx.net Thu Jan 4 19:51:46 2007 From: capocasa at gmx.net (Carlo Capocasa) Date: Thu Jan 4 19:53:14 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Can't compile 2.6.19 kernel with rt patch In-Reply-To: <459D977D.2070509@gmail.com> References: <459D977D.2070509@gmail.com> Message-ID: Scuttlebutt has it it's a good idea to stick to 2.6.18 or even 17. Carlo From reuben.m at gmail.com Thu Jan 4 20:20:21 2007 From: reuben.m at gmail.com (Reuben Martin) Date: Thu Jan 4 20:20:50 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Can't compile 2.6.19 kernel with rt patch In-Reply-To: <459D977D.2070509@gmail.com> References: <459D977D.2070509@gmail.com> Message-ID: On 1/4/07, Matt Carr wrote: > Hi everyone, I am trying to compile a realtime kernel using this guide > > https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HowToVanillaKernelWithRealtimePreemption > > except I am using the 2.6.19 kernel instead of the 2.6.16 kernel as the > guide says > and I am using the 2.6.19-rt15 ingo patch instead of the 2.6.16-rt26. > > I am also applying the bootsplash patch bootsplash-3.1.6-2.6.18.diff. Wow. I'm suprised anybody even uses that anymore. It is very very old. You might want to take a look at fbsplash. http://dev.gentoo.org/~spock/projects/gensplash/ > > I have no problems patching the kernel source > > The only thing that I can't do is change the setting " *Processor type > and features > High Resolution Timer resolution (nanoseconds)* to > /1000/. " because I can't find it. I figured that it was just taken out > of the kernel by the time 2.6.19 rolled around. I believe tt's no longer needed. If I'm correct, the "tickless" kernel patch is now incorporated into the realtime-preempt patchset. You can read about it here: http://kerneltrap.org/node/6750 > > However the compile fails with this error > > CC [M] lib/zlib_deflate/deflate_syms.o > LD [M] lib/zlib_deflate/zlib_deflate.o > Building modules, stage 2. > MODPOST 1583 modules > WARNING: Can't handle masks in drivers/ide/pci/atiixp:FFFF05 > WARNING: "pm_active" [arch/i386/kernel/apm.ko] undefined! > WARNING: "pm_send_all" [arch/i386/kernel/apm.ko] undefined! > make[2]: *** [__modpost] Error 1 > make[1]: *** [modules] Error 2 > make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/linux-2.6.19-rt15' > make: *** [stamp-build] Error 2 > root@matt-desktop:/usr/src/linux# > > Any suggestions? Need any more info? > > P.S. Is an AMD Athlon 2600+ processor concidered i386, or i686, or does > it matter? It's considered an "athlon". > > > > From tdhoward at gmail.com Thu Jan 4 20:26:02 2007 From: tdhoward at gmail.com (Tim Howard) Date: Thu Jan 4 20:26:21 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Free society Revisited (Was: Vocoder) In-Reply-To: References: <20060723194236.21915.qmail@web36807.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <44C40539.3060402@isonews2.com> <20070104201347.GB5435@charly.SWORD> <20070104203650.GC5435@charly.SWORD> Message-ID: On 1/4/07, Carlo Capocasa wrote: > >> Yeah... we really need to start persuading farmers and cereal > >> manufacturers and Pizza delivery people and builders and furniture > >> people and engineers (and-so-on) to start giving parts of *their* stuff > >> away for free. > > > > That's why I never tip pizza delivery people.... ;-) > > > > AAAAAAAAAWWWW... > > Well people stuck in the capitalist mindset (especially on the lower end > of it) do deserve to be treated with compassion and an appreciation for > what makes them tick as long as they're just delivering Pizza. > > But I guess you could always sing for them. > Not sure that would be compassion if I sang for them, but I get your point. I think the real problem centers around the fact that people get too hung up on money... From gnome at hawaii.rr.com Fri Jan 5 00:08:42 2007 From: gnome at hawaii.rr.com (david) Date: Fri Jan 5 00:08:54 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Alsa sound card order. In-Reply-To: References: <459B22F1.4000102@tobiah.org> <459B3DFA.9000605@tobiah.org> <9ffb61520701030340w7d0461bds191a9e021b272beb@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <459DDD5A.1080601@hawaii.rr.com> Interesting, when I try it here (in a root terminal), I get only "Names of available sound cards:" followed by nothing. Yet ALSA plays sound just fine on my system. Jon H wrote: > Now THAT is slick! Thanks David! > > I wonder why I haven't read that anywhere before? > > Think I'm going to sticky note that in my blog. > > Jon Hoskins > > On 1/3/07, *David Stephens* > wrote: > > simple solution sudo asoundconf list prints a list of all sound > cards in the system > sudo asoundconf set-default-card "very nice sound card" -- David gnome@hawaii.rr.com authenticity, honesty, community From a at gaydenko.com Fri Jan 5 02:46:11 2007 From: a at gaydenko.com (Andrew Gaydenko) Date: Fri Jan 5 02:46:15 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] block i/o scheduler for JACK Message-ID: <200701051046.11768@goldspace.net> Which kernel block i/o scheduler is most appropriate for JACK application? There are alternatives: Anticipatory I/O scheduler, Deadline I/O scheduler and CFQ I/O scheduler. I mean a kernel without RT-related patches. From wsynth at gjcp.net Fri Jan 5 02:53:34 2007 From: wsynth at gjcp.net (Gordon JC Pearce) Date: Fri Jan 5 02:54:30 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: dssi-vst In-Reply-To: References: <20070101174033.GF18470@localhost> <459C4C56.8060208@wildblue.net> Message-ID: <459E03FE.4060505@gjcp.net> osbusters@softhome.net wrote: > what I can tell, Rosegarden is not to difficult for anyone familiar with > Cubase, Sonar or Logic...but without the capacity to run Virtual Synths, > it's mostly of no use to me. It does support soft synths. You might not have a build with DSSI enabled. I found that the "real" Ubuntu version has DSSI disabled (or at least, it didn't work for me), so I built it from source. Gordon From loki.davison at gmail.com Fri Jan 5 03:05:18 2007 From: loki.davison at gmail.com (Loki Davison) Date: Fri Jan 5 03:05:28 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] new hip hop un-strumentals made in Linux :) In-Reply-To: <20070104131923.GA5435@charly.SWORD> References: <311b5a1a0701040354i6b69c1e6v18ffc580d4a8d9a4@mail.gmail.com> <20070104131923.GA5435@charly.SWORD> Message-ID: On 1/4/07, Thorsten Wilms wrote: > On Thu, Jan 04, 2007 at 12:54:15PM +0100, perlanegra proyect wrote: > > > http://perlssdj.blogspot.com/2007/01/404-not-found-new-unstrumental-hip-hop.html > > File_Not_Found is out of timing in a way that makes me ill, sorry. > > Server_Not_Found is nice, but doesn't do enough to keep me interested > for 6 minutes. The palette is rather limited. I guess you really like > dry sounds, but while it helps with some punch, there's no room > impression. Sounds that develop/morph over time would have been nice. > > > -- > Thorsten Wilms > > Thorwil's Creature Illustrations: > http://www.printfection.com/thorwil > Awesome! Awesome! Shiny birth is one your website now! Thanks for the distraction from having food posioning in a small town in northern lao near the chinese border. I'll go back to feeling sick now but it looks awesome on a shirt! and not totally off topic as it realates to carlo's comment about computers and sex. Loki From perlanegra.proyect at gmail.com Fri Jan 5 03:53:11 2007 From: perlanegra.proyect at gmail.com (perlanegra proyect) Date: Fri Jan 5 04:04:21 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] new hip hop un-strumentals made in Linux :) In-Reply-To: References: <311b5a1a0701040354i6b69c1e6v18ffc580d4a8d9a4@mail.gmail.com> <20070104131923.GA5435@charly.SWORD> Message-ID: <311b5a1a0701050053k352e87d7ib04eb92fcfb50dd5@mail.gmail.com> > >You know, as a general idea I'm wondering if it's a good idea to make >computer themed music with computers. It's a little bit incestuous. > >Maybe it would be a good idea to use the power of computers to make >music about sex. > >Carlo music can be incestuous ?? I'm not completely sure xDD I think it's a good idea to make music about anything, specially if the music is good... I'll try to make a sensual EP someday, thanks by your comments , Carlo & Loki :) PerlssDj From k.s.matheussen at notam02.no Fri Jan 5 05:42:12 2007 From: k.s.matheussen at notam02.no (Kjetil S. Matheussen) Date: Fri Jan 5 05:43:10 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [ANN] Das_watchdog V0.3.1 Message-ID: Download from http://www.notam02.no/arkiv/src/ Das_watchdog ============ Whenever a program locks up the machine, das_watchdog will temporarily sets all realtime process to non-realtime for 8 seconds. You will get an xmessage window up on the screen whenever that happens. Das_watchdog is made to be run as a system daemon and does not interfere with normal operations (unless the lock-ups are supposed to happen). Das_Watchdog is inspired by the rt_watchdog program made by Florian Schmidt (http://tapas.affenbande.org/?page_id=38). Changes 0.2.5->0.3.1 -------------------- *Changed scheme for finding correct XAUTHORITY environment variable. (Now works with Fedora Core 6) Hopefully, theses changes should increase the chance of seeing the xmessage and avoid seeing multiple ones. (Theres no correct way to do this, so please send me the output of "uname -a" in case you don't see any window) *Added syslogging. *Added the --version argument. From p.law at libertysurf.fr Fri Jan 5 05:57:10 2007 From: p.law at libertysurf.fr (pascal lawrynowicz) Date: Fri Jan 5 05:57:40 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] gnomad2 Message-ID: <459E2F06.1040003@libertysurf.fr> Hi, I try to run gnomad2 and libnjb5 (from a 64studio i386) and have a problem : my creative zen is first recognize, gnomad2 starts the sequence to get the songs... and stop, it stays there. I can't find a solution anyway. How can I fix this and go further? Thanks PL www.percunivers.com From forest at alittletooquiet.net Fri Jan 5 09:21:12 2007 From: forest at alittletooquiet.net (Forest Bond) Date: Fri Jan 5 09:21:26 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Free society Revisited (Was: Vocoder) In-Reply-To: References: <44C40539.3060402@isonews2.com> <20070104201347.GB5435@charly.SWORD> <20070104203650.GC5435@charly.SWORD> Message-ID: <20070105142111.GA14010@storm.local.network> On Thu, Jan 04, 2007 at 05:26:02PM -0800, Tim Howard wrote: > I think the real problem centers around the fact that people get too > hung up on money... Spoken like a man who doesn't have to struggle too much for a meal. -Forest -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Digital signature Url : http://music.columbia.edu/pipermail/linux-audio-user/attachments/20070105/b0899833/attachment.bin From pcoccoli at gmail.com Fri Jan 5 11:33:38 2007 From: pcoccoli at gmail.com (Paul Coccoli) Date: Fri Jan 5 11:33:52 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] OT: Help on Headphone-Amp In-Reply-To: <2def88b80701041428p6614f188oc6e02929e9c8558a@mail.gmail.com> References: <2def88b80701041428p6614f188oc6e02929e9c8558a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <8d27a0610701050833v5b91d74dv188ca02ed98d2968@mail.gmail.com> On 1/4/07, Arnold Krille wrote: > Hi all, > > since there are people with some knowledge on this list I want to take > advantage of that. > > I am currently looking for a headphone-amp for the current (and > future) CD-recording. Since my wife already authorized buying a > presonus firepod, I am looking for an amp with (at least) 4 separate > channels (as in 4 in, 4 out). > On the net I found the "Terratec Sine HP 48" and the "SM Pro Audio > HP6" to have the features I want while being in the financial league I > am speaking of. > I know Behringer's Powerplay is _the_ standard, but the > 8-channel-device seems to much channels and (more importently) to > costs while the smaller 4-channel-device doesn't allow the routing I > want. > > Can anyone help me with the above decision or point me to other alternatives? > > Thanks in advance, > > Arnold > > -- > visit http://www.arnoldarts.de/ > --- > Wenn man mit Raubkopien Bands wie Brosis oder Britney Spears wirklich > verhindern k?nnte, w?rde ich mir noch heute einen Stapel Brenner und > einen Sack Rohlinge kaufen. > Have you considered using a line selector + headphone amp? Like the Coleman Audio LS3 or Niles AXP-1. Both of those have RCA (unbalanced) connectors, but would the trick. The Hosa SLW-333 has TRS balanced, 3 in, 1 out. I've read good things about the Presonus HP4 (I think that's the name), but it's only 1 in, 1 out (stereo). Hosa SLW-333 + Presonus HP4 = $200US, street. From jri at broadpark.no Fri Jan 5 12:04:14 2007 From: jri at broadpark.no (Johannes Mario Ringheim) Date: Fri Jan 5 12:04:28 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] new hip hop un-strumentals made in Linux :) In-Reply-To: <311b5a1a0701040354i6b69c1e6v18ffc580d4a8d9a4@mail.gmail.com> References: <311b5a1a0701040354i6b69c1e6v18ffc580d4a8d9a4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <459E850E.4010107@broadpark.no> perlanegra proyect wrote: > hallo everybody again.. > > These last days I've uploaded a pair of remixes made in Linux, they > are a pair of hip hop un-strumentals, more than 30 tracks to made a > pair of simple beats, I'd just like to share them with u and maybe > have some feedback... I'd like to hear your opinion :) Well, I'm kinda into hiphop myself, not the bling-stuff of course. I've listened much to things like european experimental beats and new york style 'golden age' hiphop. To a hiphop head your songs sounds kinda...strange, and not very much within the genre. Rather I would call it electronica, ambient maybe, or maybe even noise. I don't really have an opinion on it being any of those genres, and I certainly don't know how the face of an MC would look like if you asked him/her to rhyme on that ;) OTOH I like your photos very much, and the fact that you share your music. Keep it going! -- Ringheims Auto - Fri musikk for bilstereo! http://ringheimsauto.org From tdhoward at gmail.com Fri Jan 5 13:17:09 2007 From: tdhoward at gmail.com (Tim Howard) Date: Fri Jan 5 13:17:17 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Free society Revisited (Was: Vocoder) In-Reply-To: <20070105142111.GA14010@storm.local.network> References: <44C40539.3060402@isonews2.com> <20070104201347.GB5435@charly.SWORD> <20070104203650.GC5435@charly.SWORD> <20070105142111.GA14010@storm.local.network> Message-ID: On 1/5/07, Forest Bond wrote: > On Thu, Jan 04, 2007 at 05:26:02PM -0800, Tim Howard wrote: > > I think the real problem centers around the fact that people get too > > hung up on money... > > Spoken like a man who doesn't have to struggle too much for a meal. > > -Forest > This is true. But I would say that those who are in need of more money in order to survive, are not "hung up on money", but rather focused on survival. Which is a bit different. -TimH From hanaghan at wildblue.net Fri Jan 5 14:12:50 2007 From: hanaghan at wildblue.net (Russell Hanaghan) Date: Fri Jan 5 14:08:04 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Fedora 5 and mp3... Message-ID: <459EA332.3080708@wildblue.net> I have, for the first time, set up FD5 and CCRMA for a look see. I like how it all works and the RT kernel runs sweet and gives very low Xrun free latency. My only curiosity is that Redhat seem to be not interested in pushing the mp3 licensing envelope. Xmms and Amarok wont play my extensive list of MP3's citing Redhat does not support the format due to said licensing issues. Other than building from source, are there any players out there that do support MP3 under FC5? I know Ogg is better, etc but car stereos, other players in my house are all using mp3. I'd prefer to stay with the one format for now. TIA. Russell From folderol at ukfsn.org Fri Jan 5 14:17:56 2007 From: folderol at ukfsn.org (Folderol) Date: Fri Jan 5 14:18:11 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] LAM Message-ID: <20070105191756.186d2341@localhost> Anyone able to get onto the LAM website? I've not been able to get there since Wednesday :( -- Will J G From sandysj at juno.com Fri Jan 5 14:17:09 2007 From: sandysj at juno.com (Jeff Sandys) Date: Fri Jan 5 14:20:09 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] OT: Recommendations for Headphones and Mic Message-ID: <20070105.111810.793.491703@webmail01.nyc.untd.com> James said: > For headphones I decided to get some Audio-Technica ATHM30 If you haven't bought the headphones yet you might want to pop for the ATH-M40fs. Many users think they are better than the Sennheiser HD280. > I was puzzling how to connect the mono output from the preamp > to the stereo line-in on the sound card. In the end I bought a > dual mono 1/4" to stereo 1/8" jack lead. This seems most > sensible to me, though I was wondering if a straight stereo-stereo > would have worked?? You could just plug a mono 1/8" jack into the stereo line-in. The mike will be on the left channel (tip) and the jack shaft will ground the normal right channel (ring) input. By using the dual mono to stereo, the right channel line-in is connected to an "antenna" that could cause some noise (but it probably shouldn't be a problem). ________________________________________________________________________ FREE Reminder Service - NEW from AmericanGreetings.com Click HERE and never forget a Birthday or Anniversary again! http://track.juno.com/s/lc?s=197335&u=http://www.americangreetings.com/products/online_calendar.pd From paul at linuxaudiosystems.com Fri Jan 5 14:53:55 2007 From: paul at linuxaudiosystems.com (Paul Davis) Date: Fri Jan 5 15:13:31 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Fedora 5 and mp3... In-Reply-To: <459EA332.3080708@wildblue.net> References: <459EA332.3080708@wildblue.net> Message-ID: <1168026835.2907.634.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Fri, 2007-01-05 at 11:12 -0800, Russell Hanaghan wrote: > I have, for the first time, set up FD5 and CCRMA for a look see. I like > how it all works and the RT kernel runs sweet and gives very low Xrun > free latency. My only curiosity is that Redhat seem to be not interested > in pushing the mp3 licensing envelope. Xmms and Amarok wont play my > extensive list of MP3's citing Redhat does not support the format due to > said licensing issues. > > Other than building from source, are there any players out there that do > support MP3 under FC5? just add livna to your repository list (google for it), and you'll be good to go. i use fc5 with mp3's all the time. the fact that RH/Fedora "Core" doesn't support it doesn't mean that Fedora cannot. --p From brad at sonaural.com Fri Jan 5 15:39:18 2007 From: brad at sonaural.com (Brad Fuller) Date: Fri Jan 5 15:45:36 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Fedora 5 and mp3... In-Reply-To: <459EA332.3080708@wildblue.net> References: <459EA332.3080708@wildblue.net> Message-ID: <459EB776.8060000@sonaural.com> Russell Hanaghan wrote: > I have, for the first time, set up FD5 and CCRMA for a look see. I like > how it all works and the RT kernel runs sweet and gives very low Xrun > free latency. My only curiosity is that Redhat seem to be not interested > in pushing the mp3 licensing envelope. Xmms and Amarok wont play my > extensive list of MP3's citing Redhat does not support the format due to > said licensing issues. > > Other than building from source, are there any players out there that do > support MP3 under FC5? Fedora supports MP3, but doesn't come with it. You need to install either Gstreamer or the XINE plugin. These can be installed from the livna repo. In the past, it wasn't completely compatible with other repos, but this may have changed. I'm not running FC5 right now, so I'm out of the current loop. In any case, I recommend the Xine plugin for Amarok. You used to be able to get this plugin from: amarok-extras-nonfree on livna. It might be on other repos by now. Others might know here. http://amarok.kde.org/ had a page about amarok and MP3. You might also look there. -- brad fuller http://www.Sonaural.com/ +1 (408) 799-6124 From aaron at nquit.com Fri Jan 5 17:14:21 2007 From: aaron at nquit.com (Aaron J. Trumm) Date: Fri Jan 5 16:07:56 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] OT: Getting rid of entire studio In-Reply-To: <311b5a1a0701050053k352e87d7ib04eb92fcfb50dd5@mail.gmail.com> References: <311b5a1a0701040354i6b69c1e6v18ffc580d4a8d9a4@mail.gmail.com> <20070104131923.GA5435@charly.SWORD> <311b5a1a0701050053k352e87d7ib04eb92fcfb50dd5@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1168035261.12011.20.camel@localhost.localdomain> Hi all - sorry to anyone at Stanford who just saw this... I'm getting rid of pretty much my entire studio - I have a list - probably even too detailed a list - I thought I'd post it here - anybody that wants something, make me an offer (even if it's "I want that for free!" - I really just need it gone) Hurry though - I'm gone by the 20th! ps: the Event 20/20 monitors need work - I think they blew a transformer or something - should be a pretty easy fix for those in the know (I think) :) ------------------- Behringer DDX3216 Digital Mixer Mackie 1202 VLZ mixer Event 20/20p Powered Monitors Shure RS130 Dynamic Mic Shure 55SH Dynamic Mic Cascade M20 Condensor Mic 3 Shure SM57 Mics Sony CDP-C265 5 Disc circular tray CD Player JVC TD-W317 Dual well cassette deck/recorder Sharp VC-A552 VHS Player/recorder PCE 1388R 15 inch TV Fostex 3010 48 point RCA Unbalanced Patch bay 96 point patch bay 4 Inch computer speakers Radio Shack pillow speaker Altec/Lansing AVS200 computer speakers GE Computer Speakers with subwoofer Megavision 14 inch LCD SVGA monitor (black) KDS Visual sensations15 Inch CRT SVGA Monitor (white) Packard Bell 133 Mhz, 1.2 gig HD, 16 MB Ram, cd-rom, floppy Computer (w/win 95) Compaq Keyboard Logitiech 3 button ps2 mouse (white) Belkin 3 button ps2 mouse (Black) Keyboard (black) 1.2 GHZ (?) .5 gig ram computer (no HD), cd writer, dvd writer, floppy computer (w/linux) Hammerfall HDSP 9652 Audio card Old Bass Guitar with 2 strings Yamaha Electric Guitar Yamaha practice amp 12 ridgid fiberglass acoustic panels Jazz drive JVC 10 channel MIDI patch bay Casio CT770 Keyboard Roland MPU-401 MIDI card (no dongle) Serial A/B switch Paralell A/B switch caddy for ALESIS HD24 recorder Fostex D5 Dat Machine Papazan Chair Lazy Boy Recliner 2 speaker stand/shelf/rack units with 13 rack spaces each child size desk wood panel (used for desk right now) Wood futon frame futon matress 2 drawer metal file cabinet 6 shelf CD shelf 3 shelf bookshelf shelving material for 8 shelves 4 1 foot in diameter circular pillows some big pillows lots of foam 6 4x2 perfboard panels 4 pairs consumer headphones RF modulator USB Keyboard PS2 Keyboard USB Mouse (small) Ensoniq Mirage sampling keyboard (needs new floppy drive?) playstation 2 3 space plywood road case 10 space? plywood road case with drawer and wheels Fostex CD Recorder (not working) 9 black and white rack mount video monitors Machete Microwave 30 gig hard drive other computer that doesn't work Belkin 2 port KVM switch cables: Mic cables (11) 4 channel RCA to RCA (2) stereo RCA to RCA (16) RCA to RCA (15) RCA to 1/4" (8) 14" RCA to RCA patch cables (7) 12" RCA to RCA patch cable (1) 4" RCA to RCA patch cables (8) 12" 1/4" to 1/4" unbalanced patch cables (3) stereo RCA to 1/4" (2) stereo 1/4" to 1/4" unbalanced (3) 1/4" to 1/4" unbalanced (10) 1/4" guitar cables (3) 1/4" insert cables (2) female XLR to 2 1/4" unbalanced Y cable (1) 1/4" balanced to 2 RCA female Y adapter (1) 1/8" headphone to 2 RCA Y adapter (1) 1/4" headphone to 2 RCA Y adapter (1) 1/4" male to 1/8" female headphone extender (2) 1/8" male to 1/8" female headphone extender (1) 1/4" male to 1/4" female headphone extender curly style (1) standard ICE power cables (15) MIDI (2) 2 cable MIDI snake (1) MIDI patch (short) (1) Medium length cat5 ethernet (4) Long cat5 ethernet (1) Very long cat5 ethernet (3) BNC to BNC video (3) Longish speaker cables (5) Long ungrounded power cable (1) Medium raw 3 conductor wires (3) Bundles of raw 3 conductor wire (4) Bundle of raw shielded balanced wire (1) 3 conductor raw wire to balanced 1/4" (2) Optical digital audio (7) 9 pin dsub female to 8 pin din (1) 25 pin dsub male to 25 pin dsub male (1) USB (1) 9 pin dsub male to 9pin dsub male (1) Telephone cable (1) Bundle of raw telephone wire (1) From hanaghan at wildblue.net Fri Jan 5 16:14:29 2007 From: hanaghan at wildblue.net (Russell Hanaghan) Date: Fri Jan 5 16:11:41 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Fedora 5 and mp3... In-Reply-To: <1168026835.2907.634.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <459EA332.3080708@wildblue.net> <1168026835.2907.634.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <459EBFB5.6040203@wildblue.net> Paul Davis wrote: > On Fri, 2007-01-05 at 11:12 -0800, Russell Hanaghan wrote: > >> I have, for the first time, set up FD5 and CCRMA for a look see. I like >> how it all works and the RT kernel runs sweet and gives very low Xrun >> free latency. My only curiosity is that Redhat seem to be not interested >> in pushing the mp3 licensing envelope. Xmms and Amarok wont play my >> extensive list of MP3's citing Redhat does not support the format due to >> said licensing issues. >> >> Other than building from source, are there any players out there that do >> support MP3 under FC5? >> > > just add livna to your repository list (google for it), and you'll be > good to go. i use fc5 with mp3's all the time. the fact that RH/Fedora > "Core" doesn't support it doesn't mean that Fedora cannot. > > --p > > > > Thanks much and also for Brad's subsequent reply. Russell From philsexton at InfoAve.Net Fri Jan 5 14:31:24 2007 From: philsexton at InfoAve.Net (Phil Sexton) Date: Fri Jan 5 16:21:16 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Fedora 5 and mp3... In-Reply-To: <459EA332.3080708@wildblue.net> References: <459EA332.3080708@wildblue.net> Message-ID: <459EA78C.6090804@infoave.net> Russell Hanaghan wrote: > I have, for the first time, set up FD5 and CCRMA for a look see. I like > how it all works and the RT kernel runs sweet and gives very low Xrun > free latency. My only curiosity is that Redhat seem to be not interested > in pushing the mp3 licensing envelope. Xmms and Amarok wont play my > extensive list of MP3's citing Redhat does not support the format due to > said licensing issues. > > Other than building from source, are there any players out there that do > support MP3 under FC5? Just install the mp3 plugin # yum -y install xmms-mp3 xmms-faad2 gstreamer-plugins-ugly libmad libid3tag See: http://www.gagme.com/greg/linux/fc5-tips.php > I know Ogg is better, etc but car stereos, other players in my house are > all using mp3. I'd prefer to stay with the one format for now. > > TIA. > Russell -- Phil Sexton Naomi's Fancy: http://www.naomisfancy.net/ Our 2nd CD: http://www.cdbaby.com/naomisfancy/ From brad at sonaural.com Fri Jan 5 16:41:01 2007 From: brad at sonaural.com (Brad Fuller) Date: Fri Jan 5 16:41:45 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Fedora 5 and mp3... In-Reply-To: <459EB776.8060000@sonaural.com> References: <459EA332.3080708@wildblue.net> <459EB776.8060000@sonaural.com> Message-ID: <459EC5ED.5090505@sonaural.com> Brad Fuller wrote: > Russell Hanaghan wrote: >> I have, for the first time, set up FD5 and CCRMA for a look see. I >> like how it all works and the RT kernel runs sweet and gives very low >> Xrun free latency. My only curiosity is that Redhat seem to be not >> interested in pushing the mp3 licensing envelope. Xmms and Amarok wont >> play my extensive list of MP3's citing Redhat does not support the >> format due to said licensing issues. >> >> Other than building from source, are there any players out there that >> do support MP3 under FC5? > > Fedora supports MP3, but doesn't come with it. You need to install > either Gstreamer or the XINE plugin. These can be installed from the > livna repo. In the past, it wasn't completely compatible with other > repos, but this may have changed. I'm not running FC5 right now, so I'm > out of the current loop. > > In any case, I recommend the Xine plugin for Amarok. You used to be > able to get this plugin from: amarok-extras-nonfree on livna. It might > be on other repos by now. Others might know here. > > http://amarok.kde.org/ had a page about amarok and MP3. You might also > look there. > > > here's that page: http://amarok.kde.org/wiki/MP3_on_Fedora_Core_5 -- brad fuller http://www.Sonaural.com/ +1 (408) 799-6124 From lanas at securenet.net Fri Jan 5 17:51:48 2007 From: lanas at securenet.net (lanas) Date: Fri Jan 5 17:47:40 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Fedora 5 and mp3... In-Reply-To: <1168026835.2907.634.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <459EA332.3080708@wildblue.net> <1168026835.2907.634.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <20070105175148.5f79eff2@mistral.stie> On Fri, 05 Jan 2007 14:53:55 -0500 Paul Davis a ?crit: > just add livna to your repository list (google for it), and you'll be > good to go. I'm used to SuSE's YaST graphical interface. I did CCRMA updates from the command-line using yum (as shown in the CCRMA docs) but I still don't get it when it reports that so many files (sometimes around the hundreds) were updated and so on so forth, without listing them so I can't even grep the console output. I'd like to know, for instance, if a version of the new Ardour is available for CCRMA. In short, is there a graphical interface of any kind (ncurses OK) to yum ? Cheers, Al From lanas at securenet.net Fri Jan 5 17:57:52 2007 From: lanas at securenet.net (lanas) Date: Fri Jan 5 17:53:43 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] music made with linux In-Reply-To: <4596EC14.1030400@gmail.com> References: <4596A791.70203@gmail.com> <20061230154914.08073d21@mistral.stie> <4596EC14.1030400@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20070105175752.19e4dd51@mistral.stie> On Sat, 30 Dec 2006 23:45:40 +0100 Atte Andr? Jensen a ?crit: > > On the other hand, I've found that the bass (bassest ?) noise used > > as percussion is a bit unsetting. When it is used in the > > percussion break it is nice, but unless it represents something > > that has to do with the meaning/lyrics, it kind of stands out and > > does not blend enough with the other percussive counterparts of > > same 'noise' and them all with the piece. IMHO, of course. > > Hmmm. I'm not sure which sound you're referring to. Is it the one on > "one in every other bar", the one leading into sections or the one on > "three"? That'd be the one on three. It's unsetting because it sounds so much like something, but I don't know what. I'd be very surprised if that's a 'standard' percussive sound. To go on a tangent, there's a fine line between a common noise used as percussion and a percussion sound that can live on its own. Eg. the cup and the cowbell. Whereas a glass cup being hit reminds the presence of a cup, the cowbell is way into percussive instrument land and does not bring to mind pastures, cows or other farmyard concerns. > > It is not sung in English, isn't it ? Do you have a translation of > > the words ? > The lyrics are Danish. I wouldn't want to bug the list with it, > considered it's religious nature. I could translate it and send it to > you off-list if you're interested... Sure. Thanks. Cheers, Al From lanas at securenet.net Fri Jan 5 18:02:32 2007 From: lanas at securenet.net (lanas) Date: Fri Jan 5 17:58:46 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] To Ken Restivo Message-ID: <20070105180232.73153f2b@mistral.stie> Hi, Recently you posted a URL for some of your music. I can't find that msg at the moment but just wanted to say that it's great. Great jazz feel, great keyboard, harmonies and grooves. Keep up the good work ! Here's the URL to your blog, for the benefit of others: http://www.restivo.org/blog/ Cheers, Al From brad at sonaural.com Fri Jan 5 17:59:00 2007 From: brad at sonaural.com (Brad Fuller) Date: Fri Jan 5 17:59:41 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Fedora 5 and mp3... In-Reply-To: <20070105175148.5f79eff2@mistral.stie> References: <459EA332.3080708@wildblue.net> <1168026835.2907.634.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20070105175148.5f79eff2@mistral.stie> Message-ID: <459ED834.1050203@sonaural.com> lanas wrote: > On Fri, 05 Jan 2007 14:53:55 -0500 > Paul Davis a ?crit: > >> just add livna to your repository list (google for it), and you'll be >> good to go. > > I'm used to SuSE's YaST graphical interface. I did CCRMA updates from > the command-line using yum (as shown in the CCRMA docs) but I still > don't get it when it reports that so many files (sometimes around the > hundreds) were updated and so on so forth, without listing them so I > can't even grep the console output. I'd like to know, for instance, if > a version of the new Ardour is available for CCRMA. > > In short, is there a graphical interface of any kind (ncurses OK) to > yum ? several. yumex is one. From rob at curates-egg.org Sat Jan 6 04:55:30 2007 From: rob at curates-egg.org (rob) Date: Sat Jan 6 04:58:59 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Om/Ingen status Message-ID: <459F7212.2030902@curates-egg.org> Hi all Does anyone known the current status of Om/Ingen? The http://www.nongnu.org/om-synth/ page says Om _was_, but not that Ingen _is_ :) Anyway, in case anyone is interested.... Exec summary: Om engine segfaults when attempting to load the vocoder.so (http://www.sirlab.de/linux/descr_vocoder.html) plugin. The plugin appears OK since it loads and executes fine under Jack-Rack. cheers R (gdb) run Starting program: /usr/bin/om (no debugging symbols found) (no debugging symbols found) (no debugging symbols found) (no debugging symbols found) [Thread debugging using libthread_db enabled] [New Thread -1212094800 (LWP 27822)] [SlowEventQueue] Starting. [New Thread -1212789856 (LWP 27825)] [PostProcessor] Starting. [New Thread -1221182560 (LWP 27826)] [AlsaDriver] Successfully opened ALSA sequencer. [OSC] Started OSC server at osc.udp://castro.ntlworld.com:16180/ [Main] Successfully locked all memory. [New Thread -1229759584 (LWP 27827)] lash_open_socket: could not connect to host 'localhost', service '14541' lash_comm_connect_to_server: could not create server connection lash_init: Not attempting to start daemon server automatically lash_init: could not connect to server 'localhost' - disabling LASH [LashDriver] Failed to connect to LASH. Session management will not function. [New Thread -1238152288 (LWP 27828)] [New Thread -1246544992 (LWP 27837)] [JackDriver] Activated Jack client. [New Thread -1254937696 (LWP 27838)] [AlsaDriver] Started realtime MIDI thread (SCHED_FIFO, priority 20) [OSC] Registered client osc.udp://castro.ntlworld.com:15799/ (1 clients) [JackDriver] Enabling. [NodeFactory] DSSI_PATH is empty. Assuming /usr/lib/dssi:/usr/local/lib/dssi:~/.dssi Now load the vocoder LADSPA plugin... Program received signal SIGSEGV, Segmentation fault. [Switching to Thread -1212789856 (LWP 27825)] 0xb7c7c2c3 in strlen () from /lib/libc.so.6 (gdb) thread apply all bt Thread 7 (Thread -1254937696 (LWP 27838)): #0 0xffffe410 in __kernel_vsyscall () #1 0xb7cc5553 in poll () from /lib/libc.so.6 #2 0x08077964 in std::operator+, std::allocator > () #3 0xb7f1f294 in start_thread () from /lib/libpthread.so.0 #4 0xb7cce32e in clone () from /lib/libc.so.6 Thread 6 (Thread -1246544992 (LWP 27837)): #0 0xffffe410 in __kernel_vsyscall () #1 0xb7cc5553 in poll () from /lib/libc.so.6 #2 0xb7f3d181 in jack_client_close () from /usr/lib/libjack.so.0 #3 0xb7f40716 in jack_drop_real_time_scheduling () from /usr/lib/libjack.so.0 #4 0xb7f1f294 in start_thread () from /lib/libpthread.so.0 #5 0xb7cce32e in clone () from /lib/libc.so.6 Thread 5 (Thread -1238152288 (LWP 27828)): #0 0xffffe410 in __kernel_vsyscall () #1 0xb7cc5553 in poll () from /lib/libc.so.6 #2 0xb7f332b9 in lo_server_recv_noblock () from /usr/lib/liblo.so.0 #3 0xb7f33f23 in lo_server_thread_start () from /usr/lib/liblo.so.0 #4 0xb7f1f294 in start_thread () from /lib/libpthread.so.0 #5 0xb7cce32e in clone () from /lib/libc.so.6 Thread 4 (Thread -1229759584 (LWP 27827)): #0 0xffffe410 in __kernel_vsyscall () #1 0xb7f257f6 in __nanosleep_nocancel () from /lib/libpthread.so.0 #2 0x0806e967 in std::operator+, std::allocator > () #3 0xb7f1f294 in start_thread () from /lib/libpthread.so.0 #4 0xb7cce32e in clone () from /lib/libc.so.6 Thread 3 (Thread -1221182560 (LWP 27826)): #0 0xffffe410 in __kernel_vsyscall () #1 0xb7f257f6 in __nanosleep_nocancel () from /lib/libpthread.so.0 #2 0x08074141 in std::operator+, std::allocator > () #3 0xb7f1f294 in start_thread () from /lib/libpthread.so.0 #4 0xb7cce32e in clone () from /lib/libc.so.6 Thread 2 (Thread -1212789856 (LWP 27825)): #0 0xb7c7c2c3 in strlen () from /lib/libc.so.6 #1 0xb7dcb206 in std::string::compare () from /usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-linux-gnu/4.1.1/libstdc++.so.6 #2 0x08078ec5 in std::operator+, std::allocator > () #3 0x0804fad6 in std::operator+, std::allocator > () #4 0x0804fbfa in std::operator+, std::allocator > () #5 0x0806fa77 in std::operator+, std::allocator > () #6 0x0806e454 in std::operator+, std::allocator > () #7 0xb7f1f294 in start_thread () from /lib/libpthread.so.0 #8 0xb7cce32e in clone () from /lib/libc.so.6 Thread 1 (Thread -1212094800 (LWP 27822)): #0 0xffffe410 in __kernel_vsyscall () #1 0xb7c9d316 in nanosleep () from /lib/libc.so.6 #2 0xb7cc859a in usleep () from /lib/libc.so.6 #3 0x08053672 in std::operator+, std::allocator > () #4 0x0804b114 in ?? () #5 0x08080480 in ?? () #6 0x08080480 in ?? () #7 0x08080428 in ?? () #8 0x0804a541 in _init () #9 0xb7c28878 in __libc_start_main () from /lib/libc.so.6 #10 0x0804af11 in ?? () #0 0xb7c7c2c3 in strlen () from /lib/libc.so.6 Portage 2.1.1-r2 (default-linux/x86/2006.1/desktop, gcc-4.1.1, glibc-2.4-r3, 2.6.16-rt29 i686) ================================================================= System uname: 2.6.16-rt29 i686 Intel(R) Pentium(R) D CPU 3.40GHz Gentoo Base System version 1.12.6 Last Sync: Fri, 05 Jan 2007 03:30:01 +0000 app-admin/eselect-compiler: [Not Present] dev-java/java-config: [Not Present] dev-lang/python: 2.4.3-r4 dev-python/pycrypto: 2.0.1-r5 dev-util/ccache: [Not Present] dev-util/confcache: [Not Present] sys-apps/sandbox: 1.2.17 sys-devel/autoconf: 2.13, 2.60 sys-devel/automake: 1.4_p6, 1.5, 1.6.3, 1.7.9-r1, 1.8.5-r3, 1.9.6-r2 sys-devel/binutils: 2.16.1-r3 sys-devel/gcc-config: 1.3.13-r4 sys-devel/libtool: 1.5.22 virtual/os-headers: 2.6.17-r2 ACCEPT_KEYWORDS="x86" AUTOCLEAN="yes" CBUILD="i686-pc-linux-gnu" CFLAGS="-O2 -march=i686 -pipe" CHOST="i686-pc-linux-gnu" CXXFLAGS="-O2 -march=i686 -pipe" MAKEOPTS="-j3" PORTDIR_OVERLAY="/usr/portage/local/layman/pro-audio" From a at gaydenko.com Sat Jan 6 05:04:37 2007 From: a at gaydenko.com (Andrew Gaydenko) Date: Sat Jan 6 05:05:02 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Om/Ingen status In-Reply-To: <459F7212.2030902@curates-egg.org> References: <459F7212.2030902@curates-egg.org> Message-ID: <200701061304.37437@goldspace.net> http://codeson.net/software/ingen ======= On Saturday 06 January 2007 12:55, rob wrote: ======= Hi all Does anyone known the current status of Om/Ingen? The http://www.nongnu.org/om-synth/ page says Om _was_, but not that Ingen _is_ :) Anyway, in case anyone is interested.... Exec summary: Om engine segfaults when attempting to load the vocoder.so (http://www.sirlab.de/linux/descr_vocoder.html) plugin. The plugin appears OK since it loads and executes fine under Jack-Rack. cheers R (gdb) run Starting program: /usr/bin/om (no debugging symbols found) (no debugging symbols found) (no debugging symbols found) (no debugging symbols found) [Thread debugging using libthread_db enabled] [New Thread -1212094800 (LWP 27822)] [SlowEventQueue] Starting. [New Thread -1212789856 (LWP 27825)] [PostProcessor] Starting. [New Thread -1221182560 (LWP 27826)] [AlsaDriver] Successfully opened ALSA sequencer. [OSC] Started OSC server at osc.udp://castro.ntlworld.com:16180/ [Main] Successfully locked all memory. [New Thread -1229759584 (LWP 27827)] lash_open_socket: could not connect to host 'localhost', service '14541' lash_comm_connect_to_server: could not create server connection lash_init: Not attempting to start daemon server automatically lash_init: could not connect to server 'localhost' - disabling LASH [LashDriver] Failed to connect to LASH. Session management will not function. [New Thread -1238152288 (LWP 27828)] [New Thread -1246544992 (LWP 27837)] [JackDriver] Activated Jack client. [New Thread -1254937696 (LWP 27838)] [AlsaDriver] Started realtime MIDI thread (SCHED_FIFO, priority 20) [OSC] Registered client osc.udp://castro.ntlworld.com:15799/ (1 clients) [JackDriver] Enabling. [NodeFactory] DSSI_PATH is empty. Assuming /usr/lib/dssi:/usr/local/lib/dssi:~/.dssi Now load the vocoder LADSPA plugin... Program received signal SIGSEGV, Segmentation fault. [Switching to Thread -1212789856 (LWP 27825)] 0xb7c7c2c3 in strlen () from /lib/libc.so.6 (gdb) thread apply all bt Thread 7 (Thread -1254937696 (LWP 27838)): #0 0xffffe410 in __kernel_vsyscall () #1 0xb7cc5553 in poll () from /lib/libc.so.6 #2 0x08077964 in std::operator+, std::allocator > () #3 0xb7f1f294 in start_thread () from /lib/libpthread.so.0 #4 0xb7cce32e in clone () from /lib/libc.so.6 Thread 6 (Thread -1246544992 (LWP 27837)): #0 0xffffe410 in __kernel_vsyscall () #1 0xb7cc5553 in poll () from /lib/libc.so.6 #2 0xb7f3d181 in jack_client_close () from /usr/lib/libjack.so.0 #3 0xb7f40716 in jack_drop_real_time_scheduling () from /usr/lib/libjack.so.0 #4 0xb7f1f294 in start_thread () from /lib/libpthread.so.0 #5 0xb7cce32e in clone () from /lib/libc.so.6 Thread 5 (Thread -1238152288 (LWP 27828)): #0 0xffffe410 in __kernel_vsyscall () #1 0xb7cc5553 in poll () from /lib/libc.so.6 #2 0xb7f332b9 in lo_server_recv_noblock () from /usr/lib/liblo.so.0 #3 0xb7f33f23 in lo_server_thread_start () from /usr/lib/liblo.so.0 #4 0xb7f1f294 in start_thread () from /lib/libpthread.so.0 #5 0xb7cce32e in clone () from /lib/libc.so.6 Thread 4 (Thread -1229759584 (LWP 27827)): #0 0xffffe410 in __kernel_vsyscall () #1 0xb7f257f6 in __nanosleep_nocancel () from /lib/libpthread.so.0 #2 0x0806e967 in std::operator+, std::allocator > () #3 0xb7f1f294 in start_thread () from /lib/libpthread.so.0 #4 0xb7cce32e in clone () from /lib/libc.so.6 Thread 3 (Thread -1221182560 (LWP 27826)): #0 0xffffe410 in __kernel_vsyscall () #1 0xb7f257f6 in __nanosleep_nocancel () from /lib/libpthread.so.0 #2 0x08074141 in std::operator+, std::allocator > () #3 0xb7f1f294 in start_thread () from /lib/libpthread.so.0 #4 0xb7cce32e in clone () from /lib/libc.so.6 Thread 2 (Thread -1212789856 (LWP 27825)): #0 0xb7c7c2c3 in strlen () from /lib/libc.so.6 #1 0xb7dcb206 in std::string::compare () from /usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-linux-gnu/4.1.1/libstdc++.so.6 #2 0x08078ec5 in std::operator+, std::allocator > () #3 0x0804fad6 in std::operator+, std::allocator > () #4 0x0804fbfa in std::operator+, std::allocator > () #5 0x0806fa77 in std::operator+, std::allocator > () #6 0x0806e454 in std::operator+, std::allocator > () #7 0xb7f1f294 in start_thread () from /lib/libpthread.so.0 #8 0xb7cce32e in clone () from /lib/libc.so.6 Thread 1 (Thread -1212094800 (LWP 27822)): #0 0xffffe410 in __kernel_vsyscall () #1 0xb7c9d316 in nanosleep () from /lib/libc.so.6 #2 0xb7cc859a in usleep () from /lib/libc.so.6 #3 0x08053672 in std::operator+, std::allocator > () #4 0x0804b114 in ?? () #5 0x08080480 in ?? () #6 0x08080480 in ?? () #7 0x08080428 in ?? () #8 0x0804a541 in _init () #9 0xb7c28878 in __libc_start_main () from /lib/libc.so.6 #10 0x0804af11 in ?? () #0 0xb7c7c2c3 in strlen () from /lib/libc.so.6 Portage 2.1.1-r2 (default-linux/x86/2006.1/desktop, gcc-4.1.1, glibc-2.4-r3, 2.6.16-rt29 i686) ================================================================= System uname: 2.6.16-rt29 i686 Intel(R) Pentium(R) D CPU 3.40GHz Gentoo Base System version 1.12.6 Last Sync: Fri, 05 Jan 2007 03:30:01 +0000 app-admin/eselect-compiler: [Not Present] dev-java/java-config: [Not Present] dev-lang/python: 2.4.3-r4 dev-python/pycrypto: 2.0.1-r5 dev-util/ccache: [Not Present] dev-util/confcache: [Not Present] sys-apps/sandbox: 1.2.17 sys-devel/autoconf: 2.13, 2.60 sys-devel/automake: 1.4_p6, 1.5, 1.6.3, 1.7.9-r1, 1.8.5-r3, 1.9.6-r2 sys-devel/binutils: 2.16.1-r3 sys-devel/gcc-config: 1.3.13-r4 sys-devel/libtool: 1.5.22 virtual/os-headers: 2.6.17-r2 ACCEPT_KEYWORDS="x86" AUTOCLEAN="yes" CBUILD="i686-pc-linux-gnu" CFLAGS="-O2 -march=i686 -pipe" CHOST="i686-pc-linux-gnu" CXXFLAGS="-O2 -march=i686 -pipe" MAKEOPTS="-j3" PORTDIR_OVERLAY="/usr/portage/local/layman/pro-audio" From loki.davison at gmail.com Sat Jan 6 05:13:19 2007 From: loki.davison at gmail.com (Loki Davison) Date: Sat Jan 6 05:14:08 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Om/Ingen status In-Reply-To: <459F7212.2030902@curates-egg.org> References: <459F7212.2030902@curates-egg.org> Message-ID: On 1/6/07, rob wrote: > Hi all > > Does anyone known the current status of Om/Ingen? The > http://www.nongnu.org/om-synth/ page says Om _was_, but not that Ingen > _is_ :) > > Anyway, in case anyone is interested.... > SNIP The ingen site has the code there in SVN. codeson.net There also now seems to much more docs for ingen than there ever was for om on the site! ;) Improvements are supposed to be pretty massive, but i haven't actually tried it for quite a while... Loki (almost recovered from food posioning in northern lao now...) From atte.jensen at gmail.com Sat Jan 6 05:22:33 2007 From: atte.jensen at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?B?QXR0ZSBBbmRyw6kgSmVuc2Vu?=) Date: Sat Jan 6 05:22:55 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] music made with linux In-Reply-To: <20070105175752.19e4dd51@mistral.stie> References: <4596A791.70203@gmail.com> <20061230154914.08073d21@mistral.stie> <4596EC14.1030400@gmail.com> <20070105175752.19e4dd51@mistral.stie> Message-ID: <459F7869.90304@gmail.com> lanas wrote: > That'd be the one on three. It's unsetting because it sounds so much > like something, but I don't know what. I'd be very surprised if that's > a 'standard' percussive sound. It's a reversed woodblock... -- peace, love & harmony Atte http://www.atte.dk | quintet: http://www.anagrammer.dk | compositions: http://www.atte.dk/compositions From rob at curates-egg.org Sat Jan 6 05:27:04 2007 From: rob at curates-egg.org (rob) Date: Sat Jan 6 05:30:14 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Om/Ingen status In-Reply-To: References: <459F7212.2030902@curates-egg.org> Message-ID: <459F7978.6000708@curates-egg.org> Loki Davison wrote: > The ingen site has the code there in SVN. codeson.net There also now > seems to much more docs for ingen than there ever was for om on the > site! ;) Improvements are supposed to be pretty massive, but i haven't > actually tried it for quite a while... > I guess that fact that I can't raise a ticket against Om means it's now unsupported. > (almost recovered from food posioning in northern lao now...) Glad you're feeling better. R From folderol at ukfsn.org Sat Jan 6 05:32:45 2007 From: folderol at ukfsn.org (Folderol) Date: Sat Jan 6 05:32:53 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] music made with linux In-Reply-To: <459F7869.90304@gmail.com> References: <4596A791.70203@gmail.com> <20061230154914.08073d21@mistral.stie> <4596EC14.1030400@gmail.com> <20070105175752.19e4dd51@mistral.stie> <459F7869.90304@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20070106103245.730e4b82@localhost> On Sat, 06 Jan 2007 11:22:33 +0100 Atte Andr? Jensen wrote: > lanas wrote: > > > That'd be the one on three. It's unsetting because it sounds so much > > like something, but I don't know what. I'd be very surprised if that's > > a 'standard' percussive sound. > > It's a reversed woodblock... Sneaky :) -- Will J G From pgclarke at beeb.net Sat Jan 6 09:38:47 2007 From: pgclarke at beeb.net (Peter Clarke) Date: Sat Jan 6 09:40:11 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Patch one channel to both channels in ALSA? Message-ID: <200701062238.47809.pgclarke@beeb.net> Is there a neat software solution for patching, say, the left channel of PCM output to both channels of the line output of my soundcard in ALSA? I need this because I've just installed a TV card, which works great except that the dual language function doesn't seem to be supported. So I get English in one speaker and Chinese in the other. I'd rather have the same in both. I thought of doing it with the JACK patchbay, but the TV output unfortunately doesn't show up in JACK. Thanks for any help, Peter C From lanas at securenet.net Sat Jan 6 10:56:57 2007 From: lanas at securenet.net (lanas) Date: Sat Jan 6 10:52:37 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] music made with linux In-Reply-To: <20070106103245.730e4b82@localhost> References: <4596A791.70203@gmail.com> <20061230154914.08073d21@mistral.stie> <4596EC14.1030400@gmail.com> <20070105175752.19e4dd51@mistral.stie> <459F7869.90304@gmail.com> <20070106103245.730e4b82@localhost> Message-ID: <20070106105657.38e955d6@mistral.stie> On Sat, 6 Jan 2007 10:32:45 +0000 Folderol a ?crit: > > It's a reversed woodblock... > > Sneaky :) Wood was definitively there but I pictured it as a large piece of cork being somewhat split forcefully. Al From pshirkey at boosthardware.com Sat Jan 6 12:22:17 2007 From: pshirkey at boosthardware.com (Patrick Shirkey) Date: Sat Jan 6 12:22:51 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Patch one channel to both channels in ALSA? In-Reply-To: <200701062238.47809.pgclarke@beeb.net> References: <200701062238.47809.pgclarke@beeb.net> Message-ID: <459FDAC9.6030900@boosthardware.com> Peter Clarke wrote: > Is there a neat software solution for patching, say, the > left channel of PCM output to both channels of the line > output of my soundcard in ALSA? > > I need this because I've just installed a TV card, which > works great except that the dual language function doesn't > seem to be supported. So I get English in one speaker and > Chinese in the other. I'd rather have the same in both. > > I thought of doing it with the JACK patchbay, but the TV > output unfortunately doesn't show up in JACK. > > Thanks for any help, > -Firstly what app are you using? It could be that someone round here uses it and knows of a work around. - There once was a jack plugin for alsa which allows you to run alsa/oss apps through jack http://alsa-project.org/alsa-doc/doc-php/asoundrc.php?company=Generic&card=Generic&chip=Generic&module=Generic#jackplug Apparently it doesn't work anymore. - I thought there might be a plugin for assiging channels specifically via an asoundrc file http://alsa-project.org/alsa-doc/alsa-lib/pcm_plugins.html#pcm_plugins Looking into this it appears there is not that feature. Probably because no one has ever needed it. I would say the easiest solution is to file a bug report with the person who makes the TV software. However you might get lucky and someone round here might feel like whipping up a new plugin to solve your problem... Cheers. -- Patrick Shirkey - Boost Hardware Ltd. Http://www.boosthardware.com Http://lau.linuxaudio.org - The Linux Audio Users guide ======================================== "Anything your mind can see you can manifest physically, then it will become reality" - Macka B From sam at bristolwireless.net Sat Jan 6 12:41:46 2007 From: sam at bristolwireless.net (sam@bristolwireless.net) Date: Sat Jan 6 12:27:21 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: SB450 any good? why does jack fail? In-Reply-To: <1168097459.459fc0b344bd0@www.slackmail.co.uk> References: <1168097459.459fc0b344bd0@www.slackmail.co.uk> Message-ID: <1168105306.459fdf5a2ec42@www.slackmail.co.uk> > Hi all > > 1, firstly i was wondering is the sb450 is any good? is it worth me trying to > use this card for audio mixing? > > 2, I have installed 64studio, by default the sound works and with a small > ammount of tweaking i can capture audio using audacity. However sound does > not > work from firefox unless i first run alsaconf. Is there a way to have working > sound on firefox and other programs using alsa? and how can i make it so that > i > do not have to run alsaconf on every boot? > > 3, Jack fails to start; > 15:12:56.334 Could not open ALSA sequencer as a client. MIDI patchbay will be > not available. > ALSA lib seq_hw.c:457:(snd_seq_hw_open) open /dev/snd/seq failed: No such > file > or directory > How can i fix this please? > > Thanks > > Sam > > This is my full hardware spec: http://hp-nx6325.pbwiki.com/ ---------------------------------------------------------------- This message was sent via Slackmail, web mail from Psand.net. From millward at ms.umanitoba.ca Sat Jan 6 12:27:18 2007 From: millward at ms.umanitoba.ca (millward) Date: Sat Jan 6 12:28:40 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] KMix for Audiophile 24/96 Message-ID: <200701061729.l06HTxN01143@localhost.localdomain> For a few months now I've been using Audacity with an on-board sound circuit, the ASUS A7N8X motherboard's onboard AC97 audio controller. It's been OK, but maybe I can get a better sound with an M-Audio Audiophile 24/96. I got one used, with no documentation, and I can't see any at the M-Audio site either. My problem is I don't understand the KMix mixer for the Audiophile 24/96. I'm just a simple guitar player, not an audio technician. The AC97's mixer with it's Volume, PCM, LineIN, and LineGain ... it was easy to figure out. But this mixer lists stuff I've no idea what it means. Could anyone tell me what these KMix settings do? Output: DAC ( two of them ) Multi ( 10 of them ) MultiTrackPeak MultiTrackVolumeRate ( I've got the Audiophile's two RCA outputs plugged into my sterio amp ) Input: IEC 958 Multi ( two of them ) DAC ( two of them... shouldn't these be ADC ? ) H / W Multi ( two of them ) MultiTrackVolume Rate Switches: IEC 958 ( two of them set to PCM Out ) Deemphasis ( set to off ) H / W ( two of them set to PCM Out ) MultiTrack Internal Clock ( set to 44100 ) MultiTrack Internal Clock Default ( set to 44100 ) And one last question: Is this M-Audio Audiophile 24/96 sound card really any good? If not, I may as well remove it and use what I already understand. Thank you for your patience, and ANY information would be very welcome! From gimpel at sonnenkinder.org Sat Jan 6 12:33:03 2007 From: gimpel at sonnenkinder.org (Thomas Kuther) Date: Sat Jan 6 12:36:18 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] KMix for Audiophile 24/96 In-Reply-To: <200701061729.l06HTxN01143@localhost.localdomain> References: <200701061729.l06HTxN01143@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <20070106183303.6dbaa167@SiRiUS.home> On Sat, 6 Jan 2007 11:27:18 -0600 millward wrote: > For a few months now I've been using Audacity with an on-board > sound circuit, the ASUS A7N8X motherboard's onboard AC97 audio > controller. It's been OK, but maybe I can get a better sound with > an M-Audio Audiophile 24/96. I got one used, with no documentation, > and I can't see any at the M-Audio site either. > My problem is I don't understand the KMix mixer for the Audiophile > 24/96. I'm just a simple guitar player, not an audio technician. The > AC97's mixer with it's Volume, PCM, LineIN, and LineGain ... it was > easy to figure out. But this mixer lists stuff I've no idea what it > means. Could anyone tell me what these KMix settings do? Just take a look at envy24control (you should have it installed with alsa already) Regards, Tom From pshirkey at boosthardware.com Sat Jan 6 12:54:39 2007 From: pshirkey at boosthardware.com (Patrick Shirkey) Date: Sat Jan 6 13:06:52 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: SB450 any good? why does jack fail? In-Reply-To: <1168105306.459fdf5a2ec42@www.slackmail.co.uk> References: <1168097459.459fc0b344bd0@www.slackmail.co.uk> <1168105306.459fdf5a2ec42@www.slackmail.co.uk> Message-ID: <459FE25F.6080804@boosthardware.com> sam@bristolwireless.net wrote: >> Hi all >> >> 1, firstly i was wondering is the sb450 is any good? is it worth me trying to >> use this card for audio mixing? >> >> 2, I have installed 64studio, by default the sound works and with a small >> ammount of tweaking i can capture audio using audacity. However sound does >> not >> work from firefox unless i first run alsaconf. Is there a way to have working >> sound on firefox and other programs using alsa? and how can i make it so that >> i >> do not have to run alsaconf on every boot? >> >> 3, Jack fails to start; >> 15:12:56.334 Could not open ALSA sequencer as a client. MIDI patchbay will be >> not available. >> ALSA lib seq_hw.c:457:(snd_seq_hw_open) open /dev/snd/seq failed: No such >> file >> or directory >> How can i fix this please? >> >> Thanks >> >> Sam >> >> This is my full hardware spec: http://hp-nx6325.pbwiki.com/ Hi, - What is the output of : cat /proc/asound/cards - Can you use aplay : aplay -f cd -d hw:0,0 somefile.wav Make sure its a cd quality .wav file Most of us use the aoss wrapper for firefox. ex. aoss firefox If you answer the first two questions we can give more advice for the jack problem... Cheers. -- Patrick Shirkey - Boost Hardware Ltd. Http://www.boosthardware.com Http://lau.linuxaudio.org - The Linux Audio Users guide ======================================== "Anything your mind can see you can manifest physically, then it will become reality" - Macka B From badmuthahubbard at gmail.com Sat Jan 6 14:19:32 2007 From: badmuthahubbard at gmail.com (Chuckk Hubbard) Date: Sat Jan 6 14:19:42 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: SB450 any good? why does jack fail? In-Reply-To: <1168105306.459fdf5a2ec42@www.slackmail.co.uk> References: <1168097459.459fc0b344bd0@www.slackmail.co.uk> <1168105306.459fdf5a2ec42@www.slackmail.co.uk> Message-ID: <8200bab70701061119u6a1d1c27qb50b16dafc44f794@mail.gmail.com> Wow, I have SB450 and haven't yet heard a whisper from it. Did you have to do anything special? I followed the instructions at: http://www.alsa-project.org/alsa-doc/doc-php/template.php?company=ATI&card=ATI-IXP+southbridge+HD-audio+and+modem.&chip=SB450&module=hda-intel -Chuckk On 1/6/07, sam@bristolwireless.net wrote: > > > Hi all > > > > 1, firstly i was wondering is the sb450 is any good? is it worth me trying to > > use this card for audio mixing? > > > > 2, I have installed 64studio, by default the sound works and with a small > > ammount of tweaking i can capture audio using audacity. However sound does > > not > > work from firefox unless i first run alsaconf. Is there a way to have working > > sound on firefox and other programs using alsa? and how can i make it so that > > i > > do not have to run alsaconf on every boot? > > > > 3, Jack fails to start; > > 15:12:56.334 Could not open ALSA sequencer as a client. MIDI patchbay will be > > not available. > > ALSA lib seq_hw.c:457:(snd_seq_hw_open) open /dev/snd/seq failed: No such > > file > > or directory > > How can i fix this please? > > > > Thanks > > > > Sam > > > > This is my full hardware spec: http://hp-nx6325.pbwiki.com/ > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > This message was sent via Slackmail, web mail from Psand.net. > -- "Far and away the best prize that life has to offer is the chance to work hard at work worth doing." -Theodore Roosevelt From jri at broadpark.no Sat Jan 6 14:49:57 2007 From: jri at broadpark.no (Johannes Mario Ringheim) Date: Sat Jan 6 14:50:18 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Music: Freewheeling DJ Mix Message-ID: <459FFD65.9000100@broadpark.no> Figured I could use Freewheeling in a DJ mix: http://rasmus.uib.no/~jri022/ting/loopshowtape01.mp3 There's also Hydrogen and Seq24 in there, but just for timing and metronoming. They'll be pulled further into the mix as time goes by, hopefully creating a live-show consisting of live production of beats and looping. But for now there's just the records. Hope ya'll like... -- Ringheims Auto - Fri musikk for bilstereo! http://ringheimsauto.org From perlanegra.proyect at gmail.com Sat Jan 6 15:04:32 2007 From: perlanegra.proyect at gmail.com (perlanegra proyect) Date: Sat Jan 6 15:04:40 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] new hip hop un-strumentals made in Linux :) In-Reply-To: <459E850E.4010107@broadpark.no> References: <311b5a1a0701040354i6b69c1e6v18ffc580d4a8d9a4@mail.gmail.com> <459E850E.4010107@broadpark.no> Message-ID: <311b5a1a0701061204ha72e583r609f7fdcd1893703@mail.gmail.com> > > Well, I'm kinda into hiphop myself, not the bling-stuff of course. I've > listened much to things like european experimental beats and new york > style 'golden age' hiphop. > > To a hiphop head your songs sounds kinda...strange, and not very much > within the genre. Rather I would call it electronica, ambient maybe, or > maybe even noise. I don't really have an opinion on it being any of > those genres, and I certainly don't know how the face of an MC would > look like if you asked him/her to rhyme on that ;) > > OTOH I like your photos very much, and the fact that you share your > music. Keep it going! > > -- > Ringheims Auto - Fri musikk for bilstereo! > http://ringheimsauto.org > Thanx Johannes :) Could be a great experience to see the face of an MC, I agree with u... xDD I often don't listen too much hip hop , but, sometimes, hip hop instrumentals make me feel very good, this is a mix between the electronica & hip hop, of course, I often apply the minimal/house rules to hip hop and the results are very strange ( like this one ), but I can't be quiet, so, I do it on the same way :) Respect to the fact of the free sharing, I think music wants and must be free, my opinion is that the only way to defend the culture is sharing it :) thanks by listen these songs, and by your comment Peace PerlssDj -- ... subliminal stuff at http://perlssdj.blogspot.com... From lanas at securenet.net Sat Jan 6 16:30:33 2007 From: lanas at securenet.net (lanas) Date: Sat Jan 6 16:26:10 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Music: Freewheeling DJ Mix In-Reply-To: <459FFD65.9000100@broadpark.no> References: <459FFD65.9000100@broadpark.no> Message-ID: <20070106163033.1cbab282@mistral.stie> On Sat, 06 Jan 2007 20:49:57 +0100 Johannes Mario Ringheim a ?crit: > http://rasmus.uib.no/~jri022/ting/loopshowtape01.mp3 > There's also Hydrogen and Seq24 in there, but just for timing and > metronoming. They'll be pulled further into the mix as time goes by, > hopefully creating a live-show consisting of live production of beats > and looping. That's interesting. It's nice to listen to. Since I'm only starting with Linux audio stuff, I'd have a few questions if you don't mind. How do you keep the sync between Freewhelling and Seq24 / Hydrogen ? And how do you switch/add-to beat patterns ? Do you maintain long Hydrogen pattern tracks ? Al From jri at broadpark.no Sat Jan 6 20:51:25 2007 From: jri at broadpark.no (Johannes Mario Ringheim) Date: Sat Jan 6 20:51:30 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Music: Freewheeling DJ Mix In-Reply-To: <20070106163033.1cbab282@mistral.stie> References: <459FFD65.9000100@broadpark.no> <20070106163033.1cbab282@mistral.stie> Message-ID: <45A0521D.6040300@broadpark.no> lanas wrote: > That's interesting. It's nice to listen to. Thanks! > How do you keep the sync between Freewhelling and Seq24 / Hydrogen ? You need a jack master (for example Seq24) running along with FW. When they're both running, make a random loop in FW and hit F1. This will put the FW timer in sync with the jack master, so that each loop will be the length of one bar of BPM you chose in the jack master, or multiples of that length. This way the loops you grab are in sync with the rest of the jack apps. You should check out the FW demo/tutorial videos on the site: http://freewheeling.sourceforge.net/freewheeling.html#tour (Below the screenshots). > And how do you switch/add-to beat patterns ? Switch, just push the respective buttons. For adding beats I use a turntable, so all the loops you hear are from records. Do you maintain long > Hydrogen pattern tracks ? Not for the time being, it's just being used as a metronome in the recording I posted. -- Ringheims Auto - Fri musikk for bilstereo! http://ringheimsauto.org From martin at dc.cis.okstate.edu Sat Jan 6 22:22:07 2007 From: martin at dc.cis.okstate.edu (Martin McCormick) Date: Sat Jan 6 22:22:34 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] How Does One get 2 8-KB Streams (/dev/dsp*2)? Message-ID: <200701070322.l073M79v080808@dc.cis.okstate.edu> I have ALSA on a Linux system with a 2.6.5 kernel and a CS4236 sound card. I have written a VOX or Voice Actuated Relay recording program that receives audio from a radio such as a police scanner or amateur radio receiver and stores it in a file as unsigned 8-bit audio of the type you get if you cat /dev/dsp >somefile. My program just opens /dev/dsp and sits there looking for samples that indicate audio being received and begins recording until there is a period of silence at which time it stops recording and continues to keep /dev/dsp open for more audio. It occurred to me that it should be possible to open either /dev/dsp or some other device for 2 8-K streams so that a similar program could read them both and store audio in files corresponding to the right and left channels of the card. Basically, I am not sure what is the best practice for opening the 16-bit, 8-K device. I think once that is solved, my program could be made to act as 2 independent VOX's. While doing a Google search, I found a OSS-sound document that is several years out of date and mentioned such devices as /dev/dspw which is a 16-bit version of /dev/dsp but modern Linux does not appear to have anything other than /dev/audio and /dev/dsp. Since this application needs to be portable, I want to set up the opening of the 16-bit 8-K channel in a standard way. Thanks for any pointers on documentation you might have. I have found the How-To document for Linux sound which mentions the standard /dev sound devices, but it is geared more toward helping folks get their Linux sound running rather than writing programs using the devices. Many thanks. Martin McCormick WB5AGZ Stillwater, OK Systems Engineer OSU Information Technology Department Network Operations Group From osbusters at softhome.net Sat Jan 6 22:42:24 2007 From: osbusters at softhome.net (osbusters@softhome.net) Date: Sat Jan 6 22:43:49 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: dssi-vst In-Reply-To: <459E03FE.4060505@gjcp.net> References: <20070101174033.GF18470@localhost> <459C4C56.8060208@wildblue.net> <459E03FE.4060505@gjcp.net> Message-ID: Yes, I built mine from source too....it does have DSSI....but I've had enough frankly, see you guys in a few years when it's all worked out. It's not worth the effort, as far as I can see. Ciao Gordon JC Pearce writes: > osbusters@softhome.net wrote: > >> what I can tell, Rosegarden is not to difficult for anyone familiar with >> Cubase, Sonar or Logic...but without the capacity to run Virtual Synths, >> it's mostly of no use to me. > > It does support soft synths. You might not have a build with DSSI > enabled. I found that the "real" Ubuntu version has DSSI disabled (or > at least, it didn't work for me), so I built it from source. > > Gordon > From lars.luthman at gmail.com Sat Jan 6 22:56:48 2007 From: lars.luthman at gmail.com (Lars Luthman) Date: Sat Jan 6 22:57:01 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: dssi-vst In-Reply-To: References: <20070101174033.GF18470@localhost> <459C4C56.8060208@wildblue.net> <459E03FE.4060505@gjcp.net> Message-ID: <1168142208.11731.33.camel@c213-100-20-22.swipnet.se> On Sat, 2007-01-06 at 20:42 -0700, osbusters@softhome.net wrote: > Gordon JC Pearce writes: > > osbusters@softhome.net wrote: > > > >> what I can tell, Rosegarden is not to difficult for anyone familiar with > >> Cubase, Sonar or Logic...but without the capacity to run Virtual Synths, > >> it's mostly of no use to me. > > > > It does support soft synths. You might not have a build with DSSI > > enabled. I found that the "real" Ubuntu version has DSSI disabled (or > > at least, it didn't work for me), so I built it from source. > > Yes, I built mine from source too....it does have DSSI....but I've > had enough frankly, see you guys in a few years when it's all worked > out. It's not worth the effort, as far as I can see. If you mean VSTs on Linux, I doubt it will ever be all worked out. Wine has been in progress for more than 13 years, it has never been perfectly compatible with Windows and it probably never will be. My suggestion is to use Windows if you want to run Windows software, and use Linux if you want to run Linux software. -- Lars Luthman - please encrypt any email sent to me if possible PGP key: http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x04C77E2E Fingerprint: FCA7 C790 19B9 322D EB7A E1B3 4371 4650 04C7 7E2E -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Lately though I've been sick, and this simply hasn't helped my patience in getting this crap to turn out....my dream to have a fully functioning DAW in Linux, at least at the level I know say, when Cubase5 came out. Two things have changed my mind. The first is that I saw what looked like an upgrade from Ardour .99 (which seemed an unusable beta version) to Ardour 2.2. Well I totally scrapped everything "jack" on my system. Hooray! Secondly, there is an option on the later versions of Sonar and CubaseSX that I find I don't want to do without, that I really can't. That is the ability to "freeze" tracks and their respective plugins and vsti's to free up resources. My cpu is only 1GHz and I find this option essential if I want to put more than a couple of synths and a reverb on any one song. I wish you all the best of luck. I surely hope and feel that enthusiasm and the joy of discovery will ultimately win out, but for now, I have to lay down some tracks. Check you guys later, and thanks for the support! Russell Hanaghan writes: > osbusters@softhome.net wrote: >> Russell Hanaghan writes: >>>> >>> Try http://rpm.nyvalls.se >>> I never had any luck with dssi-vst mainly because of it's inability to >>> interpret long file names or segmented / deprecated name. >>> R >> >> I don't mean to pester, but this is my first serious attempt at creating >> a DAW in Linux, after years of recording in Windows. >> Is there any good DAW's for Dummies type book I could check out? From >> what I can tell, Rosegarden is not to difficult for anyone familiar with >> Cubase, Sonar or Logic...but without the capacity to run Virtual Synths, >> it's mostly of no use to me. >> Thx for your patience. If I can get this sorted I'll be up to speed in no >> time (i hope). >> From what I can tell in the /usr/lib/dssi folder...the dssi virtual synth >> format had a .so "library" file and a folder containing the virtual >> synth-extension something like _qt. What do I use to convert my .dll >> files to this format? >> Is this what happens? and is this how Rosegarden identifies these files >> as synths (as it now does with the "trivials")? >> Thanks >> > Your not pestering. At least, not NEARLY as much as I did when I started! > Ask Dave Phillips how relentless *my* whining was when I tried in vane to > make vst's work in Linux! :D He was one of many great folks here that > helped me out. > > Bottom line (IMHO)...There's a tad more effort to linux audio than "point > <--> click '.exe. <---> learn software traits and personality! You have to > learn an entirely new OS too (if you have no previous experience with unix > / linux). It's not a quick, simple thing. Lots of reading, hours messing > with software, etc. BUT, the trade off for ease in Windows is that it robs > resources and horse power from your machine. WIn XP wont even run on older > boxes with its thirst fro RAM. And theres little to nothing you can do to > change it. Not so with Linux! You can run lighter window managers in the > Xserver for example that leave more memory and resources for music. Its > generally totally taylorable to your personal needs and the biggest > difference is the latency you can achieve with the patched kernels! > > Check some of these links; > > http://quicktoots.linuxaudio.org/ > > http://linux-sound.org/ > > Read up on the vst stuff but also on realtime kernels and some of the > major differences between Windows and Linux (found by our great lord of > websites "Google") > > And back to Vst topic; > > My take is this...yes, there's an element of purity to keeping it all > native to Linux by utilizing LADSPA fx. Some of them are really nice! But > I also like many of my VST's too. And one as an example, is a softsynth > called HyperCanvas by Roland (Edirol). It is a software version of a GM2 > 128 voice midi synth module and the sounds (Drums, bass, all regular GM2 > spec instruments) just kick ass! Theres a VERY nice reverb that is free > called "Ambience" and a multi fx called LFX1310. I have found the midi > synth VERY useful with RoseGarden and Muse. Getting it to run was a pain > but it works. For other midi sound modules, your next best bet is Qsynth > (Front end GUI for Fluidsynth) which you can load sound fonts such as > those utilized in Soundblaster soundcards. > I say, do whatever works best for you. I have no ethical problem running > windows stuff (in music production) in Linux while the apps that are out > there come up in both quality and quantity. Its a "do whatever sounds good > to you" thing AFAIC. And the evolution of Linux audio has been swift and > strong in the last few years so there is much progress. > > Don't give up. Google until your eyes bleed and read, read, read! I > promise it *will* be worth it. > > Cheers! > > Russell > > P.S. It *may* be better to not do this when your sick! It requires > patience! :) > From osbusters at softhome.net Sat Jan 6 23:06:17 2007 From: osbusters at softhome.net (osbusters@softhome.net) Date: Sat Jan 6 23:06:24 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: dssi-vst In-Reply-To: <1168142208.11731.33.camel@c213-100-20-22.swipnet.se> References: <20070101174033.GF18470@localhost> <459C4C56.8060208@wildblue.net> <459E03FE.4060505@gjcp.net> <1168142208.11731.33.camel@c213-100-20-22.swipnet.se> Message-ID: Thx: Anyone that's run Arturia's Moog Modular or mini-moog, or any of a dozen great vsti's, will realize that they just CAN't Do without them. And Wine makes a mess out of these plugins for starters, from what I can tell. So I guess I've made the right choice. No doubt linux is coming into it's own and I'll be able to dump the horrid Windohs for good one day. But not today. Cheers Lars Luthman writes: > On Sat, 2007-01-06 at 20:42 -0700, osbusters@softhome.net wrote: >> Gordon JC Pearce writes: >> > osbusters@softhome.net wrote: >> > >> >> what I can tell, Rosegarden is not to difficult for anyone familiar with >> >> Cubase, Sonar or Logic...but without the capacity to run Virtual Synths, >> >> it's mostly of no use to me. >> > >> > It does support soft synths. You might not have a build with DSSI >> > enabled. I found that the "real" Ubuntu version has DSSI disabled (or >> > at least, it didn't work for me), so I built it from source. >> >> Yes, I built mine from source too....it does have DSSI....but I've >> had enough frankly, see you guys in a few years when it's all worked >> out. It's not worth the effort, as far as I can see. > > If you mean VSTs on Linux, I doubt it will ever be all worked out. Wine > has been in progress for more than 13 years, it has never been perfectly > compatible with Windows and it probably never will be. My suggestion is > to use Windows if you want to run Windows software, and use Linux if you > want to run Linux software. > > -- > Lars Luthman - please encrypt any email sent to me if possible > PGP key: http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x04C77E2E > Fingerprint: FCA7 C790 19B9 322D EB7A E1B3 4371 4650 04C7 7E2E From pshirkey at boosthardware.com Sun Jan 7 02:26:20 2007 From: pshirkey at boosthardware.com (Patrick Shirkey) Date: Sun Jan 7 02:27:05 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Music: Freewheeling DJ Mix In-Reply-To: <45A0521D.6040300@broadpark.no> References: <459FFD65.9000100@broadpark.no> <20070106163033.1cbab282@mistral.stie> <45A0521D.6040300@broadpark.no> Message-ID: <45A0A09C.5080508@boosthardware.com> Johannes Mario Ringheim wrote: > lanas wrote: >> That's interesting. It's nice to listen to. > > Do you maintain long >> Hydrogen pattern tracks ? > > Not for the time being, it's just being used as a metronome in the > recording I posted. > Well you got us Jiving here in BKK. Mind if I post the link as an example on a local forum? Cheers for the mind food. -- Patrick Shirkey - Boost Hardware Ltd. Http://www.boosthardware.com Http://lau.linuxaudio.org - The Linux Audio Users guide ======================================== "Anything your mind can see you can manifest physically, then it will become reality" - Macka B From yoyo at xrousse.org Sun Jan 7 05:30:43 2007 From: yoyo at xrousse.org (Yo) Date: Sun Jan 7 05:31:06 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] 64Studio 2.6.17-2-multimedia Kernel is not a highmem enabled kernel Message-ID: <45A0CBD3.1070308@xrousse.org> Hello and happy new year to all linux-musicians, I just had a look to my dmesg info this morning and I saw that the kernel used in 64studio 1.0 I installed 3 days ago doesn't used all my RAM (I have 1 Go). Google tells me they were two ways to fix it : - Apply the ck patch from Con Kolivas - Recompile the kernel activating kernel 1G.. In both case, it looks to me quite difficult to apply on a real time kernel (sources of 2.6.17-2-multimedia doesn't seem to be available on the web, I couldn't find them) and I'm not experimented enough to compile a normal kernel (2.6.18 for example) and to apply realtime patch... Is there another solution ? Do you know where to find sources for my kernel ? Best regards. # dmesg Linux version 2.6.17-2-multimedia-486 (root@64studio.com) (gcc version 4.0.4 20060507 (prerelease) (Debian 4.0.3-3)) #1 PREEMPT Tue Jun 27 10:40:20 UTC 2006 BIOS-provided physical RAM map: BIOS-e820: 0000000000000000 - 000000000009fc00 (usable) BIOS-e820: 000000000009fc00 - 00000000000a0000 (reserved) BIOS-e820: 00000000000f0000 - 0000000000100000 (reserved) BIOS-e820: 0000000000100000 - 000000003fff0000 (usable) BIOS-e820: 000000003fff0000 - 000000003fff8000 (ACPI data) BIOS-e820: 000000003fff8000 - 0000000040000000 (ACPI NVS) BIOS-e820: 00000000fec00000 - 00000000fec01000 (reserved) BIOS-e820: 00000000fee00000 - 00000000fee01000 (reserved) BIOS-e820: 00000000fff80000 - 0000000100000000 (reserved) Warning only 896MB will be used. Use a HIGHMEM enabled kernel. 896MB LOWMEM available. -- Yohann http://www.xrousse.org | mailto:yo@xrousse.org | MSN yoyo@xrousse.org | GPG: 0x43D83E36 C'est toi le nouveau ? Je ne sais pas, je viens d'arriver From folderol at ukfsn.org Sun Jan 7 07:50:29 2007 From: folderol at ukfsn.org (Folderol) Date: Sun Jan 7 07:58:45 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Still no LAM :( Message-ID: <20070107125029.280cddaf@localhost> The website still seems to be unavailable. Anyone know what the problem is? I'm trying http://lam.fugal.net/ -- Will J G From atte.jensen at gmail.com Sun Jan 7 07:27:11 2007 From: atte.jensen at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Atte_Andr=E9_Jensen?=) Date: Sun Jan 7 07:59:58 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] status of ams Message-ID: <45A0E71F.1030505@gmail.com> Hi I just rediscovered ams. What a nice synth! Actually I started implementing some of the few things I feel is missing. However it seems to me that nobody's using, at least the mailing lists are totally dead. So: 1) Anyone using it? 2) If not, why? Don't need/understand this type of synth? Use something else (what) instead? Technical reasons/limitations? 3) If you ever tried what did you love about it and what did you hate? Did you find user friendly? Did it perform well? 4) To rephrase 2): If the project was resurrected, what would it take for *you* to start using it. 5) Anyone (other than me) looked inside the code and interested in discussing certain aspects of that? Maybe even a joint effort to repair the quirks in ams? Finally let make it clear that I don't have the time or knowledge to take over development of ams. But I'm interested in helping with bringing it to a state where it's a bit more usable... -- peace, love & harmony Atte http://www.atte.dk | quintet: http://www.anagrammer.dk | compositions: http://www.atte.dk/compositions From jri at broadpark.no Sun Jan 7 07:53:27 2007 From: jri at broadpark.no (Johannes Mario Ringheim) Date: Sun Jan 7 08:00:09 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Music: Freewheeling DJ Mix In-Reply-To: <45A0A09C.5080508@boosthardware.com> References: <459FFD65.9000100@broadpark.no> <20070106163033.1cbab282@mistral.stie> <45A0521D.6040300@broadpark.no> <45A0A09C.5080508@boosthardware.com> Message-ID: <45A0ED47.6000106@broadpark.no> Patrick Shirkey wrote: > Well you got us Jiving here in BKK. Cool! > Mind if I post the link as an example on a local forum? No, no. I don't claim any rights to this, but of course the records I've used are not licensed. Guess you can do what you want with it as long as it's not national TV.. -- Ringheims Auto - Fri musikk for bilstereo! http://ringheimsauto.org From steiner at block4.com Sun Jan 7 08:35:23 2007 From: steiner at block4.com (Malte Steiner) Date: Sun Jan 7 08:35:39 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] 64Studio 2.6.17-2-multimedia Kernel is not a highmem enabled kernel In-Reply-To: <45A0CBD3.1070308@xrousse.org> References: <45A0CBD3.1070308@xrousse.org> Message-ID: <45A0F71B.80807@block4.com> Hello, the 64bit version is at 2.6.17-4 so maybe the 32bit is there too, what says synaptic or sudo apt-get update and distr-update? Otherwise you should address your concern to the 64studio-dev mailinglist, its on the 64studio site... Cheers, Malte -- Malte Steiner media art + development -www.block4.com- From steiner at block4.com Sun Jan 7 08:44:57 2007 From: steiner at block4.com (Malte Steiner) Date: Sun Jan 7 08:48:51 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] status of ams In-Reply-To: <45A0E71F.1030505@gmail.com> References: <45A0E71F.1030505@gmail.com> Message-ID: <45A0F959.4030703@block4.com> Hello > I just rediscovered ams. What a nice synth! Actually I started > implementing some of the few things I feel is missing. However it seems > to me that nobody's using, at least the mailing lists are totally dead. So: > > 1) Anyone using it? I regulary try it and I am really amazed by the sound. But many parts of the sound is based on LADSPA plugins and I work now with these in my preferred environment pd, archieving the same sound. > > 2) If not, why? Don't need/understand this type of synth? Use something > else (what) instead? Technical reasons/limitations? Handling is a bit clumsy. Screen estate is wasted by the big objects, no subpachtes available and I always accidently connect wrong ports. I think small changes here and there would have great effects in terms of usability. > > 3) If you ever tried what did you love about it and what did you hate? > Did you find user friendly? Did it perform well? > > 4) To rephrase 2): If the project was resurrected, what would it take > for *you* to start using it. > A nice thing would be a separete storage of patch settings. I want to create a synthesizer (the patch) and store different sound settings like on a non modular synth since the 80s. So I can recall different sounds without reloading the whole dsp graph. I could also look in the code, its a timeproblem at the moment. Cheers, Malte -- Malte Steiner media art + development -www.block4.com- From pgclarke at beeb.net Sun Jan 7 08:50:03 2007 From: pgclarke at beeb.net (Peter Clarke) Date: Sun Jan 7 08:52:52 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Patch one channel to both channels in ALSA? Message-ID: <200701072150.04143.pgclarke@beeb.net> Patrick, thanks for the input. Just to answer your question, I'm using tvtime. There are other tv viewer apps available, but I haven't tried them yet. Actually, my gut feeling is that the problem is in the driver (saa7134), not the app. Peter C From fons at kokkinizita.net Sun Jan 7 08:59:44 2007 From: fons at kokkinizita.net (Fons Adriaensen) Date: Sun Jan 7 08:57:23 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] status of ams In-Reply-To: <45A0E71F.1030505@gmail.com> References: <45A0E71F.1030505@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20070107135944.GA6056@linux-2.site> On Sun, Jan 07, 2007 at 01:27:11PM +0100, Atte Andr? Jensen wrote: > 5) Anyone (other than me) looked inside the code and interested in > discussing certain aspects of that? Maybe even a joint effort to repair > the quirks in ams? I worked on AMS together with its principal author, Matthias Nagorni. My contributions were some modules, a complete rewrite of the signal flow mechanism (wich was originally much more complicated without any benefit), and the ALSA and JACK audio interfaces. At that time Matthias was part of the group working on audio at SuSE. He has now moved on to project management and has no longer the time to work on AMS. The place of AMS has largely been taken by Om, and a integration of the best of AMS into Om would IMHO be a interesting development. Unfortunately Om does not really support the logarithmic 'control voltage' concept that is at the heart of AMS and of the analog synths it was designed to emulate. The reason being AFAICS that Om's author seems to dislike it and prefers linear controls - we had some heated exchanges about this. Mixing both paradigms into a single program *could* indeed confuse some users, but that is a IMHO a matter of documentation and education. The quirks of AMS are related to the MIDI interfaces and voice assignment. While all the other processing code of AMS is fully dynamic and reconfigurable at any time, these functions use static objects that are hardwired together, e.g. voice assignment relies on a hidden feedback channel from the ENV generators to the MIDI handling code. Adding multi-timbral patches and dynamic polyphony would require a complete rewrite of these parts, and considerable changes to how things are seen by the user, for example the feedback path mentioned above would need to become explicit, the flexible assignment of MIDI controllers to module parameters would become more complicated, etc. The main reasons why it was never done were that it would be a major rewrite, and break the large collection of examle patches that Matthias had created. It's still on my to-do list, but not for any time soon... -- FA Lascia la spina, cogli la rosa. From dlphillips at woh.rr.com Sun Jan 7 09:19:48 2007 From: dlphillips at woh.rr.com (Dave Phillips) Date: Sun Jan 7 09:07:33 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Still no LAM :( In-Reply-To: <20070107125029.280cddaf@localhost> References: <20070107125029.280cddaf@localhost> Message-ID: <45A10184.4050705@woh.rr.com> Folderol wrote: >The website still seems to be unavailable. > >Anyone know what the problem is? > >I'm trying http://lam.fugal.net/ > Pinging the site this morning (7 Jan 07) returns 100% packet loss. Hans, are you out there ? Best, dp From lars.luthman at gmail.com Sun Jan 7 09:07:26 2007 From: lars.luthman at gmail.com (Lars Luthman) Date: Sun Jan 7 09:09:08 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] status of ams In-Reply-To: <20070107135944.GA6056@linux-2.site> References: <45A0E71F.1030505@gmail.com> <20070107135944.GA6056@linux-2.site> Message-ID: <1168178846.11644.4.camel@c213-100-20-22.swipnet.se> On Sun, 2007-01-07 at 14:59 +0100, Fons Adriaensen wrote: > The place of AMS has largely been taken by Om, and a integration of > the best of AMS into Om would IMHO be a interesting development. > Unfortunately Om does not really support the logarithmic 'control > voltage' concept that is at the heart of AMS and of the analog synths > it was designed to emulate. The reason being AFAICS that Om's author > seems to dislike it and prefers linear controls - we had some heated > exchanges about this. Mixing both paradigms into a single program > *could* indeed confuse some users, but that is a IMHO a matter of > documentation and education. Is there really any need for explicit support for logarithmic control in the engine itself? All ugens in Om/Ingen except for a very small number that interface with the audio and MIDI ins and outs are LADSPA (or similar) plugins, it's not as if you can't connect a logarithmic output port of one plugin to a logarithmic input port of another. -- Lars Luthman - please encrypt any email sent to me if possible PGP key: http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x04C77E2E Fingerprint: FCA7 C790 19B9 322D EB7A E1B3 4371 4650 04C7 7E2E -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part Url : http://music.columbia.edu/pipermail/linux-audio-user/attachments/20070107/607dc643/attachment.bin From pshirkey at boosthardware.com Sun Jan 7 09:07:34 2007 From: pshirkey at boosthardware.com (Patrick Shirkey) Date: Sun Jan 7 09:13:50 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Patch one channel to both channels in ALSA? In-Reply-To: <200701072150.04143.pgclarke@beeb.net> References: <200701072150.04143.pgclarke@beeb.net> Message-ID: <45A0FEA6.7030905@boosthardware.com> Peter Clarke wrote: > Patrick, thanks for the input. Just to answer your > question, I'm using tvtime. There are other tv viewer apps > available, but I haven't tried them yet. Actually, my gut > feeling is that the problem is in the driver (saa7134), not > the app. > Hi Peter, There is also a program called jacklaunch which might be helpful. Cheers. -- Patrick Shirkey - Boost Hardware Ltd. Http://www.boosthardware.com Http://lau.linuxaudio.org - The Linux Audio Users guide ======================================== "Anything your mind can see you can manifest physically, then it will become reality" - Macka B From bengan at kthnoc.net Sun Jan 7 09:08:40 2007 From: bengan at kthnoc.net (Bengt =?iso-8859-1?q?G=F6rd=E9n?=) Date: Sun Jan 7 09:15:10 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Still no LAM :( In-Reply-To: <20070107125029.280cddaf@localhost> References: <20070107125029.280cddaf@localhost> Message-ID: <200701071508.41689.bengan@kthnoc.net> s?ndag 07 januari 2007 13:50 skrev Folderol: > http://lam.fugal.net/ Seems like the net is broken in some way. Both our net (SUNET), Bredbandsbolaget (via level3) and Sprint is down. The server is (according to routing) placed at Xmission AS6315. The whole 166.70.0.0/16 seems down. traceroute to 166.70.27.96 (166.70.27.96), 64 hops max, 60 byte packets 1 ua-83-227-130-129.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se (83.227.130.129) 20.949 ms 21.103 ms 20.147 ms 2 port-channel4.dr1.sto43.se.bredband.com (195.54.118.221) 20.124 ms 20.352 ms 20.423 ms 3 port-channel3.dr2.sto44.se.bredband.com (195.54.118.217) 20.510 ms 20.274 ms 21.146 ms 4 vlan2.dr1.sto44.se.bredband.com (195.54.116.109) 20.762 ms 20.732 ms 20.422 ms 5 port-channel14.cr1.sto3.se.bredband.com (195.54.116.113) 87.600 ms 21.144 ms 20.639 ms 6 ge8-0-0.cr2.sto2.se.bredband.com (195.54.123.41) 27.264 ms 20.608 ms 85.6 ms 7 ge6-0-0.cr1.sto1.se.bredband.com (195.54.123.162) 22.756 ms 21.760 ms 21.766 ms 8 ge4-0-0.br3.sto1.se.bredband.com (195.54.123.113) 20.882 ms 20.601 ms 21.174 ms 9 213.242.110.149 (213.242.110.149) 21.381 ms 21.618 ms 21.270 ms 10 ge-2-0-0.mp2.Stockholm1.Level3.net (4.68.125.229) 23.370 ms 21.903 ms 175.287 ms 11 ae-0-0.bbr1.Denver1.Level3.net (64.159.1.113) 208.318 ms 173.382 ms 172.449 ms 12 so-0-0-0.mpls1.SaltLakeCity1.Level3.net (209.247.11.69) 179.380 ms 176.633 ms 195.328 ms 13 ge-6-0.hsa1.SaltLakeCity1.Level3.net (209.244.27.98) 179.140 ms 177.101 ms 177.559 ms 14 unknown.Level3.net (64.158.68.90) 179.288 ms 178.23 ms 176.902 ms 15 * * * traceroute to 166.70.27.96 (166.70.27.96), 64 hops max, 44 byte packets 1 kthnoc6-ge1-1.sunet.se (192.36.125.1) 0.258 ms 0.182 ms 0.146 ms 2 stockholm2-srp4.sunet.se (130.242.60.41) 0.352 ms 0.334 ms 0.278 ms 3 se-kth.nordu.net (193.10.252.177) 0.599 ms 0.634 ms 0.533 ms 4 s-b4-link.telia.net (213.248.97.93) 0.480 ms 0.455 ms 0.531 ms 5 s-bb2-link.telia.net (80.91.251.26) 0.607 ms 0.737 ms 0.656 ms 6 kbn-bb2-link.telia.net (213.248.65.166) 15.849 ms 15.860 ms 15.843 ms 7 nyk-bb2-pos5-0-0.telia.net (213.248.64.34) 101.809 ms 101.828 ms 101.744 ms 8 nyk-b1-link.telia.net (213.248.83.230) 105.426 ms 99.866 ms 105.622 ms 9 te-4-2.car2.NewYork1.Level3.net (4.68.110.81) 102.751 ms 194.187 ms 205.708 ms 10 ae-2-56.bbr2.NewYork1.Level3.net (4.68.97.161) 99.988 ms ae-2-52.bbr2.NewYork1.Level3.net (4.68.97.33) 100.290 ms 167.555 ms 11 so-0-0-0.mpls1.SaltLakeCity1.Level3.net (209.247.11.69) 168.406 ms 168.444 ms 168.287 ms 12 ge-6-0.hsa1.SaltLakeCity1.Level3.net (209.244.27.98) 168.559 ms 168.593 ms 169.192 ms 13 unknown.Level3.net (64.158.68.90) 168.976 ms 168.543 ms 168.954 ms 14 * * * 15 * * * 16 * * * sl-bb20-ana>trace 166.70.27.96 Type escape sequence to abort. Tracing the route to falcon.fugal.net (166.70.27.96) 1 sl-bb24-ana-13-0.sprintlink.net (144.232.1.138) 84 msec sl-bb22-ana-14-0.sprintlink.net (144.232.1.177) 0 msec sl-bb24-ana-13-0.sprintlink.net (144.232.1.138) 92 msec 2 sl-bb25-ana-13-0.sprintlink.net (144.232.1.142) 0 msec sl-bb25-ana-15-0.sprintlink.net (144.232.1.182) 0 msec sl-bb25-ana-13-0.sprintlink.net (144.232.1.142) 4 msec 3 ggr3-p330.la2ca.ip.att.net (192.205.33.189) 0 msec 0 msec 0 msec 4 12.127.3.210 [AS 7018] 28 msec 28 msec 44 msec 5 tbr1-cl3.sffca.ip.att.net (12.122.10.25) [AS 7018] 28 msec 32 msec 48 msec 6 gar2-p300.sc1ca.ip.att.net (12.123.12.89) [AS 7018] 12 msec 12 msec 12 msec 7 gar1-p370.slkut.ip.att.net (12.122.2.241) [AS 7018] 28 msec 28 msec 28 msec 8 12.127.106.98 [AS 7018] 28 msec 28 msec 28 msec 9 * * * 10 * * * 11 * * * 12 * * * 13 * * whois -h whois.ra.net 166.70.27.96 route: 166.70.0.0/16 descr: XMission origin: AS6315 remarks: XMission CIDR notify: peering@xmission.com notify: pashdown@xmission.com mnt-by: MAINT-AS6315 changed: pashdown@xmission.com 19980501 source: RADB route: 166.70.0.0/16 descr: XMISSION 1 origin: AS6315 mnt-by: MAINT-AS6315 changed: routes@xmission.com 20021122 source: SAVVIS -- - Bengan ------------------------------------------------------------ - KTHNOC - No1 Internet Offspring | http://www.noc.kth.se/~bengan --- - 08-7906586 (ej vidarekopplat), 070-6443325 ------------------------ From dlphillips at woh.rr.com Sun Jan 7 09:36:50 2007 From: dlphillips at woh.rr.com (Dave Phillips) Date: Sun Jan 7 09:26:00 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] status of ams In-Reply-To: <45A0E71F.1030505@gmail.com> References: <45A0E71F.1030505@gmail.com> Message-ID: <45A10582.7080109@woh.rr.com> Atte Andr? Jensen wrote: > I just rediscovered ams. What a nice synth! Actually I started > implementing some of the few things I feel is missing. However it > seems to me that nobody's using, at least the mailing lists are > totally dead. So: > > 1) Anyone using it? I *have* used it, but currently my work doesn't call for it. > 2) If not, why? Don't need/understand this type of synth? Use > something else (what) instead? Technical reasons/limitations? See above. > 3) If you ever tried what did you love about it and what did you hate? > Did you find user friendly? Did it perform well? Its GUI wasn't exactly attractive, but I didn't really care too much about that. And yes, it performed nicely. > 4) To rephrase 2): If the project was resurrected, what would it take > for *you* to start using it. I don't recall if it's JACKed but that's a must. > 5) Anyone (other than me) looked inside the code and interested in > discussing certain aspects of that? Maybe even a joint effort to > repair the quirks in ams? Fons probably knows most about it, he contributed bits to the project. > Finally let make it clear that I don't have the time or knowledge to > take over development of ams. But I'm interested in helping with > bringing it to a state where it's a bit more usable... A worthy and laudable interest. I'm dismayed by the slowdown re: development of native Linux synths, and I see more projects languishing instead of moving forward. Perhaps another relevant question might be, "Is the native Linux softsynth going the way of the dodo ?". Om/Ingen is not yet well-prepared for the end-user (though the most recent sources might have improved the situation), no development has occurred for ZynAddSubFX for some time, and the list of softsynths at linux-sound.org has not significantly expanded for a long time. Alas, neither has there been a rush of new DSSI synths. Good stuff is out there, but it seems to me that our choices are dwindling. Don't get me wrong, I like what we have. I just want more. :) Best, dp From fons at kokkinizita.net Sun Jan 7 09:30:51 2007 From: fons at kokkinizita.net (Fons Adriaensen) Date: Sun Jan 7 09:27:47 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] status of ams In-Reply-To: <1168178846.11644.4.camel@c213-100-20-22.swipnet.se> References: <45A0E71F.1030505@gmail.com> <20070107135944.GA6056@linux-2.site> <1168178846.11644.4.camel@c213-100-20-22.swipnet.se> Message-ID: <20070107143051.GB6056@linux-2.site> On Sun, Jan 07, 2007 at 03:07:26PM +0100, Lars Luthman wrote: > Is there really any need for explicit support for logarithmic control in > the engine itself? All ugens in Om/Ingen except for a very small number > that interface with the audio and MIDI ins and outs are LADSPA (or > similar) plugins, it's not as if you can't connect a logarithmic output > port of one plugin to a logarithmic input port of another. Probably there is no 'technical' problem doing so, but it would mean you have two sets of modules that are really incompatible with each other - it could become very confusing to a user. The 'spirit' of Om/ Ingen seems to be linear control, and AFAIK that is a deliberate choice of its author and one I will respect, even if don't think it's the best choice for a mainstream synth ('mainstream' used here as opposed to more abstract environments such as CSound or SuperCollider). -- FA Lascia la spina, cogli la rosa. From fons at kokkinizita.net Sun Jan 7 09:47:19 2007 From: fons at kokkinizita.net (Fons Adriaensen) Date: Sun Jan 7 09:44:19 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] status of ams In-Reply-To: <45A10582.7080109@woh.rr.com> References: <45A0E71F.1030505@gmail.com> <45A10582.7080109@woh.rr.com> Message-ID: <20070107144719.GC6056@linux-2.site> On Sun, Jan 07, 2007 at 09:36:50AM -0500, Dave Phillips wrote: > I don't recall if it's JACKed but that's a must. It is. > A worthy and laudable interest. I'm dismayed by the slowdown re: > development of native Linux synths, and I see more projects languishing > instead of moving forward. Dave, do you think there is a place for a softsynth that would be modular but with a fixed set of modules, everyhing controlled from one window, no patch cables, only 'hardware controls' such as sliders and switches, each one assignable to MIDI, and of course uncompromising audio quality ? In other words a synth that would be easy to use and optimised for 'live' work, sort of a MiniMoog on steroids ? Polyphonic of course but not multi-timbral - just start two or three of them if you need that. -- FA Lascia la spina, cogli la rosa. From fbar at footils.org Sun Jan 7 09:51:33 2007 From: fbar at footils.org (Frank Barknecht) Date: Sun Jan 7 09:52:06 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] status of ams In-Reply-To: <20070107143051.GB6056@linux-2.site> References: <45A0E71F.1030505@gmail.com> <20070107135944.GA6056@linux-2.site> <1168178846.11644.4.camel@c213-100-20-22.swipnet.se> <20070107143051.GB6056@linux-2.site> Message-ID: <20070107145133.GD23009@fliwatut.scifi> Hallo, Fons Adriaensen hat gesagt: // Fons Adriaensen wrote: > Probably there is no 'technical' problem doing so, but it would mean > you have two sets of modules that are really incompatible with each > other - it could become very confusing to a user. The 'spirit' of Om/ > Ingen seems to be linear control, and AFAIK that is a deliberate choice > of its author and one I will respect, even if don't think it's the best > choice for a mainstream synth ('mainstream' used here as opposed to more > abstract environments such as CSound or SuperCollider). Though I guess I understand what you mean, I'd like to note that CSound, SuperCollider and Pd are the by far the most widely used [1] synths on Linux, so one could argue that they are the real "mainstream" Linux synths. ;) [1] I'm basing my observation on mailing list subscriber counts and traffic amounts, which of course is slightly skewed as it includes the Mac and Windows users of said synths. Ciao -- Frank Barknecht _ ______footils.org_ __goto10.org__ From dlphillips at woh.rr.com Sun Jan 7 10:22:13 2007 From: dlphillips at woh.rr.com (Dave Phillips) Date: Sun Jan 7 10:11:33 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] status of ams In-Reply-To: <20070107144719.GC6056@linux-2.site> References: <45A0E71F.1030505@gmail.com> <45A10582.7080109@woh.rr.com> <20070107144719.GC6056@linux-2.site> Message-ID: <45A11025.5090709@woh.rr.com> Fons Adriaensen wrote: >Dave, do you think there is a place for a softsynth that would be >modular but with a fixed set of modules, everyhing controlled from >one window, no patch cables, only 'hardware controls' such as >sliders and switches, each one assignable to MIDI, and of course >uncompromising audio quality ? >In other words a synth that would be easy to use and optimised for >'live' work, sort of a MiniMoog on steroids ? Polyphonic of course but >not multi-timbral - just start two or three of them if you need that. > > Sure, the more the merrier. :) But perhaps Nick Dowell's amSynth already comes close to your suggested design ? Its GUI certainly got spiffier recently. :) Current Csound5 is also capable of such designs, examples are already available with FLTK interfaces, but of course you must know how to program Csound. A question for Frank: Can Pd's wiring be made invisible for a finished patched ? Even with subpatching I get some real rat's nests onscreen. Best, dp From folderol at ukfsn.org Sun Jan 7 10:11:25 2007 From: folderol at ukfsn.org (Folderol) Date: Sun Jan 7 10:12:52 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] status of ams In-Reply-To: <45A0E71F.1030505@gmail.com> References: <45A0E71F.1030505@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20070107151125.0d6de159@localhost> On Sun, 07 Jan 2007 13:27:11 +0100 Atte Andr? Jensen wrote: > Hi > > I just rediscovered ams. What a nice synth! Actually I started > implementing some of the few things I feel is missing. However it seems > to me that nobody's using, at least the mailing lists are totally dead. So: > > 1) Anyone using it? Had just a brief look at it. > 2) If not, why? Don't need/understand this type of synth? Use something > else (what) instead? Technical reasons/limitations? It gets nice results but seems a *lot* of effort to get them. Also I'm used to fully polyphonic synths (both hardware & software). > 3) If you ever tried what did you love about it and what did you hate? > Did you find user friendly? Did it perform well? Not at all user friendly - couldn't find any help information. > 4) To rephrase 2): If the project was resurrected, what would it take > for *you* to start using it. Doubtful that I'd be interested actually. > 5) Anyone (other than me) looked inside the code and interested in > discussing certain aspects of that? Maybe even a joint effort to repair > the quirks in ams? Scary stuff! > Finally let make it clear that I don't have the time or knowledge to > take over development of ams. But I'm interested in helping with > bringing it to a state where it's a bit more usable... Kudos to you if you do, but personally I'd be more interested in (what you're already doing with) ZynAddSubFX :) -- Will J G From georg.holzmann at student.kug.ac.at Sun Jan 7 10:21:46 2007 From: georg.holzmann at student.kug.ac.at (Georg Holzmann) Date: Sun Jan 7 10:27:41 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] status of ams In-Reply-To: <45A11025.5090709@woh.rr.com> References: <45A0E71F.1030505@gmail.com> <45A10582.7080109@woh.rr.com> <20070107144719.GC6056@linux-2.site> <45A11025.5090709@woh.rr.com> Message-ID: <45A1100A.5010900@student.kug.ac.at> Hallo! > A question for Frank: Can Pd's wiring be made invisible for a finished > patched ? Even with subpatching I get some real rat's nests onscreen. no, but you can use subpatches with "graph-on-parent" - then you will only see the gui objects (and no wires or standard objects ...) LG Georg From fbar at footils.org Sun Jan 7 10:31:47 2007 From: fbar at footils.org (Frank Barknecht) Date: Sun Jan 7 10:57:03 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] status of ams In-Reply-To: <45A11025.5090709@woh.rr.com> References: <45A0E71F.1030505@gmail.com> <45A10582.7080109@woh.rr.com> <20070107144719.GC6056@linux-2.site> <45A11025.5090709@woh.rr.com> Message-ID: <20070107153147.GE23009@fliwatut.scifi> Hallo, Dave Phillips hat gesagt: // Dave Phillips wrote: > A question for Frank: Can Pd's wiring be made invisible for a finished > patched ? Even with subpatching I get some real rat's nests onscreen. You can use the "graph on parent" feature to hide everything except GUI elements. Both screenshots on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pure_data show this in action. Ciao -- Frank Barknecht _ ______footils.org_ __goto10.org__ From fons at kokkinizita.net Sun Jan 7 10:39:46 2007 From: fons at kokkinizita.net (Fons Adriaensen) Date: Sun Jan 7 11:01:17 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] status of ams In-Reply-To: <20070107145133.GD23009@fliwatut.scifi> References: <45A0E71F.1030505@gmail.com> <20070107135944.GA6056@linux-2.site> <1168178846.11644.4.camel@c213-100-20-22.swipnet.se> <20070107143051.GB6056@linux-2.site> <20070107145133.GD23009@fliwatut.scifi> Message-ID: <20070107153946.GD6056@linux-2.site> Hi Frank, > Though I guess I understand what you mean, I'd like to note that > CSound, SuperCollider and Pd are the by far the most widely used [1] > synths on Linux, so one could argue that they are the real > "mainstream" Linux synths. ;) I should have written 'CSound, Pd, or SuperCollider' (in ASCII order) of course :-) Depends on what you call 'a synth' - each of the above can be used for emulation of (hardware) synths, but they all go much beyond that, being more full electro-acoustic composition tools. -- FA Lascia la spina, cogli la rosa. From t_w_ at freenet.de Sun Jan 7 10:43:30 2007 From: t_w_ at freenet.de (Thorsten Wilms) Date: Sun Jan 7 11:08:43 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] status of ams In-Reply-To: <20070107144719.GC6056@linux-2.site> References: <45A0E71F.1030505@gmail.com> <45A10582.7080109@woh.rr.com> <20070107144719.GC6056@linux-2.site> Message-ID: <20070107154330.GA5451@charly.SWORD> On Sun, Jan 07, 2007 at 03:47:19PM +0100, Fons Adriaensen wrote: > > Dave, do you think there is a place for a softsynth that would be > modular but with a fixed set of modules, everyhing controlled from > one window, no patch cables, only 'hardware controls' such as > sliders and switches, each one assignable to MIDI, and of course > uncompromising audio quality ? > In other words a synth that would be easy to use and optimised for > 'live' work, sort of a MiniMoog on steroids ? Polyphonic of course but > not multi-timbral - just start two or three of them if you need that. In Om, I often find myself building the usual Osc > Filter > Amp chains (or Amp > Filter). A model that builds on suchs chains, but allows additional routing could be nice. Maybe with 2 oscs and filters per chain. It should allow easy layering and rich CC support. Another concept worth consideration would be a routing matrix, with amount of influence in the cells. I asume low to medium complexity setups could be done very fast, while a graph should be superior for more complex things. -- Thorsten Wilms Thorwil's Creature Illustrations: http://www.printfection.com/thorwil From daneasley at gmail.com Sun Jan 7 11:59:59 2007 From: daneasley at gmail.com (Dan Easley) Date: Sun Jan 7 12:01:11 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: dssi-vst In-Reply-To: References: <20070101174033.GF18470@localhost> <459C4C56.8060208@wildblue.net> <459E03FE.4060505@gjcp.net> <1168142208.11731.33.camel@c213-100-20-22.swipnet.se> Message-ID: I haven't used it yet, but I assume http://bristol.sourceforge.net/ is currently the best synth emulator solution for linux. On 1/6/07, osbusters@softhome.net wrote: > Thx: > > Anyone that's run Arturia's Moog Modular or mini-moog, or any of a dozen > great vsti's, will realize that they just CAN't Do without them. And Wine > makes a mess out of these plugins for starters, from what I can tell. > So I guess I've made the right choice. > No doubt linux is coming into it's own and I'll be able to dump the horrid > Windohs for good one day. > > But not today. > > Cheers > > Lars Luthman writes: > > > On Sat, 2007-01-06 at 20:42 -0700, osbusters@softhome.net wrote: > >> Gordon JC Pearce writes: > >> > osbusters@softhome.net wrote: > >> > > >> >> what I can tell, Rosegarden is not to difficult for anyone familiar with > >> >> Cubase, Sonar or Logic...but without the capacity to run Virtual Synths, > >> >> it's mostly of no use to me. > >> > > >> > It does support soft synths. You might not have a build with DSSI > >> > enabled. I found that the "real" Ubuntu version has DSSI disabled (or > >> > at least, it didn't work for me), so I built it from source. > >> > >> Yes, I built mine from source too....it does have DSSI....but I've > >> had enough frankly, see you guys in a few years when it's all worked > >> out. It's not worth the effort, as far as I can see. > > > > If you mean VSTs on Linux, I doubt it will ever be all worked out. Wine > > has been in progress for more than 13 years, it has never been perfectly > > compatible with Windows and it probably never will be. My suggestion is > > to use Windows if you want to run Windows software, and use Linux if you > > want to run Linux software. > > > > -- > > Lars Luthman - please encrypt any email sent to me if possible > > PGP key: http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x04C77E2E > > Fingerprint: FCA7 C790 19B9 322D EB7A E1B3 4371 4650 04C7 7E2E > > -- daneasley@gmail.com dan@towndowner.com dan@burntpossum.com http://towndowner.com http://burntpossum.com From atte.jensen at gmail.com Sun Jan 7 12:02:01 2007 From: atte.jensen at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?B?QXR0ZSBBbmRyw6kgSmVuc2Vu?=) Date: Sun Jan 7 12:03:44 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] status of ams In-Reply-To: <20070107151125.0d6de159@localhost> References: <45A0E71F.1030505@gmail.com> <20070107151125.0d6de159@localhost> Message-ID: <45A12789.2050204@gmail.com> Folderol wrote: > It gets nice results but seems a *lot* of effort to get them. If you're not used to modular synthesis, yes. Plus don't have a stock of presets to load... > Also I'm > used to fully polyphonic synths (both hardware & software). For the record ams is polyphonic, use -p when you start the program >> 3) If you ever tried what did you love about it and what did you hate? >> Did you find user friendly? Did it perform well? > > Not at all user friendly - couldn't find any help information. This wasn't the purpose of this thread, but for the record there are included example patches + http://alsamodular.sourceforge.net/alsamodularsynth_doc.html >> 4) To rephrase 2): If the project was resurrected, what would it take >> for *you* to start using it. > > Doubtful that I'd be interested actually. Fair enough! >> I'm interested in helping with >> bringing it to a state where it's a bit more usable... > > Kudos to you if you do, but personally I'd be more interested in (what > you're already doing with) ZynAddSubFX :) Well, first ams and zyn are quite different and would make a great combo. Secondly it seems that zyn has problems that go so deep a complete rewrite is needed for it to perform well in a jack/low latency/realtime environment. And such a rewrite is totally out of my league + the people that IMO could take on such a task choose not to, probably because of the size of the task... This means that I (put harshly) have to consider zyn dying, whereas to me ams is more in hibernation... Anyways, thanks for your thoughts! -- peace, love & harmony Atte http://www.atte.dk | quintet: http://www.anagrammer.dk | compositions: http://www.atte.dk/compositions From atte.jensen at gmail.com Sun Jan 7 12:16:34 2007 From: atte.jensen at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Atte_Andr=E9_Jensen?=) Date: Sun Jan 7 12:30:08 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] status of ams In-Reply-To: <45A10582.7080109@woh.rr.com> References: <45A0E71F.1030505@gmail.com> <45A10582.7080109@woh.rr.com> Message-ID: <45A12AF2.2050404@gmail.com> Dave Phillips wrote: >> I'm interested in helping with >> bringing it to a state where it's a bit more usable... > > A worthy and laudable interest. I'm dismayed by the slowdown re: > development of native Linux synths, and I see more projects languishing > instead of moving forward. You're right, and the dropping of well started projects in need of more work (like ams and zynaddsubfx) is part of this. But perhaps the reason for such problems are to be found near the nature of open source software: People are mainly motivated by 1) what they think is fun, 2) what they need and 3) what can promote their ego. Maintaining, let alone takeover of, an established project in heavy need for an overhaul doesn't really do much for any of the above. I often had the thought "why don't we (linux audio users) collect a stack of money and throw them at projects that we feel needs work", I'm personally thinking about zyn, specimen and ams. I have the feeling that this wouldn't be considered "fair play", but apparently letting the forces of open source software and Christmas spirit doesn't always give us the software we like/need/hoped/hope. > Good stuff is out there, but it seems to > me that our choices are dwindling. I share your view! > Don't get me wrong, I like what we have. I just want more. :) I don't want more, rather I want continuous development of the excellent things we have, to make them better in stability, usability and features. -- peace, love & harmony Atte http://www.atte.dk | quintet: http://www.anagrammer.dk | compositions: http://www.atte.dk/compositions From atte.jensen at gmail.com Sun Jan 7 12:24:48 2007 From: atte.jensen at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Atte_Andr=E9_Jensen?=) Date: Sun Jan 7 12:38:03 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] status of ams In-Reply-To: <20070107145133.GD23009@fliwatut.scifi> References: <45A0E71F.1030505@gmail.com> <20070107135944.GA6056@linux-2.site> <1168178846.11644.4.camel@c213-100-20-22.swipnet.se> <20070107143051.GB6056@linux-2.site> <20070107145133.GD23009@fliwatut.scifi> Message-ID: <45A12CE0.60007@gmail.com> Frank Barknecht wrote: > Though I guess I understand what you mean, I'd like to note that > CSound, SuperCollider and Pd are the by far the most widely used [1] > synths on Linux, so one could argue that they are the real > "mainstream" Linux synths. ;) I'm actually quite close to give up on all these GUI synths (and their unsteady development) and go back to csound (or better yet, figure out super-collider), because of the stability in development and width in user community they can offer. -- peace, love & harmony Atte http://www.atte.dk | quintet: http://www.anagrammer.dk | compositions: http://www.atte.dk/compositions From sam at bristolwireless.net Sun Jan 7 13:01:22 2007 From: sam at bristolwireless.net (sam@bristolwireless.net) Date: Sun Jan 7 12:52:00 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Re: SB450 any good? why does jack fail? In-Reply-To: <20070107032243.BB0ED57DAA0F@music.columbia.edu> References: <20070107032243.BB0ED57DAA0F@music.columbia.edu> Message-ID: <1168192882.45a135720f070@www.slackmail.co.uk> > Hi, > > - What is the output of : cat /proc/asound/cards user@64studio:~$ cat /proc/asound/cards 0 [SB ]: HDA-Intel - HDA ATI SB HDA ATI SB at 0x32080000 irq 50 > - Can you use aplay : user@64studio:~$ aplay -f cd -d hw:0,0 Fred--Zorns_Ziphim.wav ALSA lib pcm_dmix.c:864:(snd_pcm_dmix_open) unable to open slave aplay: main:550: audio open error: Device or resource busy If I run alsaconf first then it does play... Thanks Sam > >> This is my full hardware spec: http://hp-nx6325.pbwiki.com/ Chuck wrote; > Wow, I have SB450 and haven't yet heard a whisper from it. Did you > have to do anything special? all i did was buy the laptop and install 64studio on it... ---------------------------------------------------------------- This message was sent via Slackmail, web mail from Psand.net. From pw_lists at slinkp.com Sun Jan 7 12:50:59 2007 From: pw_lists at slinkp.com (Paul Winkler) Date: Sun Jan 7 12:57:16 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: dssi-vst In-Reply-To: ; from osbusters@softhome.net on Sat, Jan 06, 2007 at 08:59:08PM -0700 References: <20070101174033.GF18470@localhost> <459C4C56.8060208@wildblue.net> <459C999C.8000407@wildblue.net> Message-ID: <20070107115059.A30386@slinkp.com> On Sat, Jan 06, 2007 at 08:59:08PM -0700, osbusters@softhome.net wrote: > Two things have changed my mind. > > The first is that I saw what looked like an upgrade from Ardour .99 (which > seemed an unusable beta version) to Ardour 2.2. Well I totally scrapped > everything "jack" on my system. Hooray! Ardour 2 is still unstable and should be clearly marked as such. I'm still happily using 0.99.3. > Secondly, there is an option on the later versions of Sonar and CubaseSX > that I find I don't want to do without, that I really can't. That is the > ability to "freeze" tracks and their respective plugins and vsti's to free > up resources. My cpu is only 1GHz and I find this option essential if I want > to put more than a couple of synths and a reverb on any one song. Ardour has had that feature for years :-) > I wish you all the best of luck. I surely hope and feel that enthusiasm and > the joy of discovery will ultimately win out, but for now, I have to lay > down some tracks. > > Check you guys later, and thanks for the support! Sure. Sorry things didn't work out for you. It's definitely not a quick-plug-in-and-play world over here. Luckily for me I don't do much synthesis nowadays so I don't need VSTIs. -- Paul Winkler From jayv at synth.net Sun Jan 7 13:00:36 2007 From: jayv at synth.net (Jay Vaughan) Date: Sun Jan 7 13:05:01 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: dssi-vst In-Reply-To: References: <20070101174033.GF18470@localhost> <459C4C56.8060208@wildblue.net> <459E03FE.4060505@gjcp.net> <1168142208.11731.33.camel@c213-100-20-22.swipnet.se> Message-ID: At 11:59 -0500 7/1/07, Dan Easley wrote: >I haven't used it yet, but I assume http://bristol.sourceforge.net/ is >currently the best synth emulator solution for linux. absolutely classic linux softsynth .. i've stopped trying to emulate these synths on my virus .. ;) -- ; Jay Vaughan From julien at c-lab.de Sun Jan 7 13:02:35 2007 From: julien at c-lab.de (Julien Claassen) Date: Sun Jan 7 13:06:33 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] midi interface Message-ID: Hi! If I have a midi-interface, one of those externals, to which you can connect more than one device (synth, keyboard), how does this look to alsa? Does it only see one dvice with a lot of channels or does it see more devices? I think about getting one to use it with midish, which uses rawmidi devices and I wonder if it will work. Kindest regards Julien -------- Music was my first love and it will be my last (John Miles) ======== FIND MY WEB-PROJECT AT: ======== http://ltsb.sourceforge.net the Linux TextBased Studio guide ======= AND MY PERSONAL PAGES AT: ======= http://www.juliencoder.de From zettberlin at linuxuse.de Sun Jan 7 13:06:03 2007 From: zettberlin at linuxuse.de (Hartmut Noack) Date: Sun Jan 7 13:09:49 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] status of ams In-Reply-To: <45A0E71F.1030505@gmail.com> References: <45A0E71F.1030505@gmail.com> Message-ID: <45A1368B.9080500@linuxuse.de> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hello, Atte Andr? Jensen schrieb: > Hi > > I just rediscovered ams. What a nice synth! > 1) Anyone using it? Yes!!! I use it a lot both as a synth and as a LADSPA-FX-host. The Debian-Binary I use on Ubuntu works flawless and produces sounds I cannot reproduce with any other synth on Linux. > > 2) If not, why? Don't need/understand this type of synth? Use something > else (what) instead? Technical reasons/limitations? If one wants to use it polyphonic, it can easily crack any CPU and the usage is somewhat a matter of getting used to it. But since the synth works stable (much more stable than OM), this is worth the effort. > > 3) If you ever tried what did you love about it and what did you hate? > Did you find user friendly? Did it perform well? as said before: once you find out, how the interface ticks, it discovers itself as very userfriendly in terms of how much one have to learn before the fun begins. In that domain only Zynadd ist up to ams' standards. It took me about 12 h or so until my first own ams-patch played something constructive. I have tried to make PD play anything at all for abot 40-50 h and still cannot make it do anything usable. Another thing I found to be absolutely outstanding is te maximum flexibility regarding the support for midi-controllers, ams has a simple list, in wich an active midicontroller shows up, as it send something, than you can link this controller to virtually any parameter of the patch - I dont know any other easily usable synth on Linux, that offers such... > 4) To rephrase 2): If the project was resurrected, what would it take > for *you* to start using it. I use it, I will be just gratefull, that I can continue and praise you all over the net ;-) ;-) > Finally let make it clear that I don't have the time or knowledge to > take over development of ams. But I'm interested in helping with > bringing it to a state where it's a bit more usable... > Even if the actual state of ams is preserved and adapted to upcoming developements, I would extremely appreciate it. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.3 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFFoTaK1Aecwva1SWMRAnJ9AJ0esEav4kGdCSjcawbSBJfwXvmO7gCeOUak EbL90WUqqFWKr0OFk2OAbpo= =8xNH -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From pw_lists at slinkp.com Sun Jan 7 13:10:10 2007 From: pw_lists at slinkp.com (Paul Winkler) Date: Sun Jan 7 13:13:40 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] status of ams In-Reply-To: <20070107144719.GC6056@linux-2.site>; from fons@kokkinizita.net on Sun, Jan 07, 2007 at 03:47:19PM +0100 References: <45A0E71F.1030505@gmail.com> <45A10582.7080109@woh.rr.com> <20070107144719.GC6056@linux-2.site> Message-ID: <20070107121010.C30386@slinkp.com> On Sun, Jan 07, 2007 at 03:47:19PM +0100, Fons Adriaensen wrote: > On Sun, Jan 07, 2007 at 09:36:50AM -0500, Dave Phillips wrote: > > > I don't recall if it's JACKed but that's a must. > > It is. > > > A worthy and laudable interest. I'm dismayed by the slowdown re: > > development of native Linux synths, and I see more projects languishing > > instead of moving forward. > > Dave, do you think there is a place for a softsynth that would be > modular but with a fixed set of modules, everyhing controlled from > one window, no patch cables, only 'hardware controls' such as > sliders and switches, each one assignable to MIDI, and of course > uncompromising audio quality ? > In other words a synth that would be easy to use and optimised for > 'live' work, sort of a MiniMoog on steroids ? Polyphonic of course but > not multi-timbral - just start two or three of them if you need that. Didn't you just describe amSynth ? :-) I use it frequently, precisely because it's so simple. Don't know if all its parameters are MIDI-controllable, though. My current use of synthesis is not very demanding. -- -PW From yoyo at xrousse.org Sun Jan 7 13:13:30 2007 From: yoyo at xrousse.org (Yo) Date: Sun Jan 7 13:15:58 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] 64Studio 2.6.17-2-multimedia Kernel is not a highmem enabled kernel In-Reply-To: <45A0F71B.80807@block4.com> References: <45A0CBD3.1070308@xrousse.org> <45A0F71B.80807@block4.com> Message-ID: <45A1384A.4070205@xrousse.org> Malte Steiner a ?crit : > Hello, > > the 64bit version is at 2.6.17-4 so maybe the 32bit is there too, what > says synaptic or sudo apt-get update and distr-update? Hmm. I use 32 bit version (AMD XP2200+) and I haven't seen other multimedia kernels in aptitude... > > Otherwise you should address your concern to the 64studio-dev > mailinglist, its on the 64studio site... Yes, but as it's a development ml, I'm not sure it's adapted because my question is a beginer's one ;-) Thanks! -- Yohann http://www.xrousse.org | mailto:yo@xrousse.org | MSN yoyo@xrousse.org | GPG: 0x43D83E36 C'est toi le nouveau ? Je ne sais pas, je viens d'arriver From hanaghan at wildblue.net Sun Jan 7 13:20:46 2007 From: hanaghan at wildblue.net (Russell Hanaghan) Date: Sun Jan 7 13:18:12 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Still no LAM :( In-Reply-To: <45A10184.4050705@woh.rr.com> References: <20070107125029.280cddaf@localhost> <45A10184.4050705@woh.rr.com> Message-ID: <45A139FE.2010407@wildblue.net> Dave Phillips wrote: > Folderol wrote: > >> The website still seems to be unavailable. >> >> Anyone know what the problem is? >> >> I'm trying http://lam.fugal.net/ >> > Pinging the site this morning (7 Jan 07) returns 100% packet loss. > > Hans, are you out there ? > > Best, > > dp > > looks like at least 2 issues that I see... Level 3 or the end hosting provider does not seem to have a DNS entry?? At minimum, hop 10 reveals L3 DNS is bjorked! the 64.152.0.0/13 address block is probably former Wiltel or Looking Glass space. The host owner should email dns.level3.com to rectify that part. This is not the root cause though. The host address seems to respond via telnet but produces nothing. If ICMP is being blocked by a fire wall it will not respond to ping. The IP for that url directly loaded into firefox also shows it is up but no pages are delivered. Could also be an Apache problem? Who owns the box? Does anyone know? Cheers ~Russell [root@localhost Russell]# telnet lam.fugal.net Trying 166.70.27.96... Connected to lam.fugal.net (166.70.27.96). Escape character is '^]'. get/* GET /index.html Connection closed by foreign host. [root@localhost Russell]# [root@localhost Russell]# traceroute lam.fugal.net traceroute to lam.fugal.net (166.70.27.96), 30 hops max, 40 byte packets 1 xp-starband.mshome.net (192.168.0.1) 0.255 ms 1.255 ms 1.243 ms 2 * * * 3 misc-148-78-243-34.pool.starband.net (148.78.243.34) 608.784 ms 608.964 ms 640.671 ms 4 atl-bb1-link.telia.net (213.248.90.73) 640.961 ms 672.747 ms 673.043 ms 5 ash-bb1-link.telia.net (213.248.80.141) 704.729 ms 705.028 ms 769.100 ms 6 level3-113898-ash-bb1.telia.net (213.248.88.86) 736.712 ms 767.062 ms 767.675 ms 7 ae-2-56.bbr2.Washington1.Level3.net (4.68.121.161) 798.459 ms ae-2-52.bbr2.Washington1.Level3.net (4.68.121.33) 641.431 ms ae-2-54.bbr2.Washington1.Level3.net (4.68.121.97) 641.021 ms 8 so-0-0-0.mpls1.SaltLakeCity1.Level3.net (209.247.11.69) 673.694 ms 673.058 ms 673.290 ms 9 ge-6-0.hsa1.SaltLakeCity1.Level3.net (209.244.27.98) 673.291 ms 673.357 ms 673.359 ms 10 unknown.Level3.net (64.158.68.90) 705.742 ms 705.135 ms 705.118 ms 11 * * * 12 * * * 13 * * * 14 * * * 15 * * * 16 * * * 17 * * * 18 * * * 19 * * * 20 * * * 21 * * * 22 * * * 23 * * * 24 * * * 25 * * * 26 * * * 27 * * * 28 * * * 29 * * * 30 * * * From atte.jensen at gmail.com Sun Jan 7 14:13:28 2007 From: atte.jensen at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?B?QXR0ZSBBbmRyw6kgSmVuc2Vu?=) Date: Sun Jan 7 14:13:36 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] status of ams In-Reply-To: <45A1368B.9080500@linuxuse.de> References: <45A0E71F.1030505@gmail.com> <45A1368B.9080500@linuxuse.de> Message-ID: <45A14658.4020905@gmail.com> Hartmut Noack wrote: > I use it, I will be just gratefull, that I can continue and praise you > all over the net ;-) ;-) Ok, I get the message :-) -- peace, love & harmony Atte http://www.atte.dk | quintet: http://www.anagrammer.dk | compositions: http://www.atte.dk/compositions From mestelan at gmail.com Sun Jan 7 16:20:26 2007 From: mestelan at gmail.com (Jean-Baptiste Mestelan) Date: Sun Jan 7 16:20:38 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Status of JACK midi sync? In-Reply-To: <1160613708.11532.14.camel@c213-100-20-9.swipnet.se> References: <001e01c6ed94$6c919220$95c652c6@64BitBadass> <1160613708.11532.14.camel@c213-100-20-9.swipnet.se> Message-ID: This sounds good but ... I must be missing something : In patchage, ghostess now shows a different-coloured (brown) MIDI-in, which is a JACK-MIDI in. Fine, but how do I connect this IN to my keyboard MIDI-out ?? Patchage will not accept to do so. Is it even intended to work like this ? Thanks for attention. On 10/12/06, Lars Luthman wrote: > On Wed, 2006-10-11 at 20:21 -0400, Ivica Ico Bukvic wrote: > > > JACK MIDI is in JACK 0.102.20. > > > > Cool! Now the next logical set of questions is: > > > > 1) How stable/reliable is it? > > Pretty reliable. I haven't made it crash since 0.102.5. > > > 2) Are there any apps that support it? > > The only ones I know of that support it officially in released versions > (please reply if you know of more) are Ghostess (Sean Bolton's DSSI > host) and Dino (my sequencer). There is a patch for Zyn and the SVN > versions of Ingen (Om) and Specimen supports it. Connecting JACK MIDI > ports works fine in Patchage and QJackCtl, although they appear in the > "Audio" tab in QJackCtl. Dave Robillard also worked on MIDI in Ardour > during the summer, so I suppose there is some kind of support there too. > > > 3) Does such support require a major rewrite? > > Depends on the software. If you are doing a lot of MIDI processing in > another thread it may take some hacking, but if you just read ALSA MIDI > events in another thread and pass them to the JACK thread using a > ringbuffer or something similar it's easy - just get rid of the extra > thread and the ringbuffer. I wrote the patches for Specimen and > ZynAddSubFX, and for Specimen (which pretty much does that) it was > really easy, while it was a bit trickier for Zyn (which does a lot of > MIDI processing outside the audio thread). > > -- > Lars Luthman - please encrypt any email sent to me if possible > PGP key: http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x04C77E2E > Fingerprint: FCA7 C790 19B9 322D EB7A E1B3 4371 4650 04C7 7E2E > > > From lars.luthman at gmail.com Sun Jan 7 16:27:11 2007 From: lars.luthman at gmail.com (Lars Luthman) Date: Sun Jan 7 16:27:28 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Status of JACK midi sync? In-Reply-To: References: <001e01c6ed94$6c919220$95c652c6@64BitBadass> <1160613708.11532.14.camel@c213-100-20-9.swipnet.se> Message-ID: <1168205231.11662.3.camel@c213-100-20-22.swipnet.se> On Sun, 2007-01-07 at 21:20 +0000, Jean-Baptiste Mestelan wrote: > This sounds good but ... I must be missing something : > > In patchage, ghostess now shows a different-coloured (brown) MIDI-in, > which is a JACK-MIDI in. > > Fine, but how do I connect this IN to my keyboard MIDI-out ?? > Patchage will not accept to do so. Is it even intended to work like > this ? No, you can not connect ALSA sequencer ports directly to JACK MIDI ports. There are some bridge clients that you can use (don't have the URLs here, I think they were posted to the jackit-devel list a while ago). There is also a patch for JACK's ALSA backend that exposes the hardware MIDI ports available to ALSA as JACK MIDI ports, but it has not been applied to the SVN version of JACK yet. -- Lars Luthman - please encrypt any email sent to me if possible PGP key: http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x04C77E2E Fingerprint: FCA7 C790 19B9 322D EB7A E1B3 4371 4650 04C7 7E2E -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: http://music.columbia.edu/pipermail/linux-audio-user/attachments/20070106/aa392bcd/attachment.html From october001 at gmail.com Sun Jan 7 14:26:54 2007 From: october001 at gmail.com (Jon H) Date: Sun Jan 7 16:38:32 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Music: Freewheeling DJ Mix In-Reply-To: <45A0ED47.6000106@broadpark.no> References: <459FFD65.9000100@broadpark.no> <20070106163033.1cbab282@mistral.stie> <45A0521D.6040300@broadpark.no> <45A0A09C.5080508@boosthardware.com> <45A0ED47.6000106@broadpark.no> Message-ID: That's technically impressive and it sounds good too! Have you shared this with J.P. Mercury yet? I'm also interested in making such music. What sort of turntable did you use for this? Recommendations? How many loops did you use in FW at any one time and how did you trigger them? Very cool release. Thanks for sharing! Jon Hoskins On 1/7/07, Johannes Mario Ringheim wrote: > > Patrick Shirkey wrote: > > Well you got us Jiving here in BKK. > > Cool! > > > Mind if I post the link as an example on a local forum? > > No, no. I don't claim any rights to this, but of course the records I've > used are not licensed. Guess you can do what you want with it as long > as it's not national TV.. > > -- > Ringheims Auto - Fri musikk for bilstereo! > http://ringheimsauto.org > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://music.columbia.edu/pipermail/linux-audio-user/attachments/20070107/e5ae04ca/attachment.html From october001 at gmail.com Sun Jan 7 16:31:35 2007 From: october001 at gmail.com (Jon H) Date: Sun Jan 7 16:38:43 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] OT: Getting rid of entire studio In-Reply-To: <1168035261.12011.20.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <311b5a1a0701040354i6b69c1e6v18ffc580d4a8d9a4@mail.gmail.com> <20070104131923.GA5435@charly.SWORD> <311b5a1a0701050053k352e87d7ib04eb92fcfb50dd5@mail.gmail.com> <1168035261.12011.20.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: Geeze, I wish you had more time and I had more money ;) I need a good XLR mic for general purpose studio recording, mostly voice and maybe some acoustic guitar. If you could only have one microphone for this purpose which one would it be and how much money do I need to beg out of the wife to buy it? How much for the Hammerfall? Also looking for a good deal on a keyboard midi controller that's friendly with linux. Thanks in advance! Jon Hoskins On 1/5/07, Aaron J. Trumm wrote: > > Hi all - sorry to anyone at Stanford who just saw this... > > I'm getting rid of pretty much my entire studio - I have a list - > probably even too detailed a list - I thought I'd post it here - anybody > that wants something, make me an offer (even if it's "I want that for > free!" - I really just need it gone) > > Hurry though - I'm gone by the 20th! > > ps: the Event 20/20 monitors need work - I think they blew a transformer > or something - should be a pretty easy fix for those in the know (I > think) > > :) > > ------------------- > Behringer DDX3216 Digital Mixer > Mackie 1202 VLZ mixer > Event 20/20p Powered Monitors > Shure RS130 Dynamic Mic > Shure 55SH Dynamic Mic > Cascade M20 Condensor Mic > 3 Shure SM57 Mics > Sony CDP-C265 5 Disc circular tray CD Player > JVC TD-W317 Dual well cassette deck/recorder > Sharp VC-A552 VHS Player/recorder > PCE 1388R 15 inch TV > Fostex 3010 48 point RCA Unbalanced Patch bay > 96 point patch bay > 4 Inch computer speakers > Radio Shack pillow speaker > Altec/Lansing AVS200 computer speakers > GE Computer Speakers with subwoofer > Megavision 14 inch LCD SVGA monitor (black) > KDS Visual sensations15 Inch CRT SVGA Monitor (white) > Packard Bell 133 Mhz, 1.2 gig HD, 16 MB Ram, cd-rom, floppy Computer > (w/win 95) > Compaq Keyboard > Logitiech 3 button ps2 mouse (white) > Belkin 3 button ps2 mouse (Black) > Keyboard (black) > 1.2 GHZ (?) .5 gig ram computer (no HD), cd writer, dvd writer, floppy > computer (w/linux) > Hammerfall HDSP 9652 Audio card > Old Bass Guitar with 2 strings > Yamaha Electric Guitar > Yamaha practice amp > 12 ridgid fiberglass acoustic panels > Jazz drive > JVC 10 channel MIDI patch bay > Casio CT770 Keyboard > Roland MPU-401 MIDI card (no dongle) > Serial A/B switch > Paralell A/B switch > caddy for ALESIS HD24 recorder > Fostex D5 Dat Machine > Papazan Chair > Lazy Boy Recliner > 2 speaker stand/shelf/rack units with 13 rack spaces each > child size desk > wood panel (used for desk right now) > Wood futon frame > futon matress > 2 drawer metal file cabinet > 6 shelf CD shelf > 3 shelf bookshelf > shelving material for 8 shelves > 4 1 foot in diameter circular pillows > some big pillows > lots of foam > 6 4x2 perfboard panels > 4 pairs consumer headphones > RF modulator > USB Keyboard > PS2 Keyboard > USB Mouse (small) > Ensoniq Mirage sampling keyboard (needs new floppy drive?) > playstation 2 > 3 space plywood road case > 10 space? plywood road case with drawer and wheels > Fostex CD Recorder (not working) > 9 black and white rack mount video monitors > Machete > Microwave > 30 gig hard drive > other computer that doesn't work > Belkin 2 port KVM switch > > cables: > > Mic cables (11) > 4 channel RCA to RCA (2) > stereo RCA to RCA (16) > RCA to RCA (15) > RCA to 1/4" (8) > 14" RCA to RCA patch cables (7) > 12" RCA to RCA patch cable (1) > 4" RCA to RCA patch cables (8) > 12" 1/4" to 1/4" unbalanced patch cables (3) > stereo RCA to 1/4" (2) > stereo 1/4" to 1/4" unbalanced (3) > 1/4" to 1/4" unbalanced (10) > 1/4" guitar cables (3) > 1/4" insert cables (2) > female XLR to 2 1/4" unbalanced Y cable (1) > 1/4" balanced to 2 RCA female Y adapter (1) > 1/8" headphone to 2 RCA Y adapter (1) > 1/4" headphone to 2 RCA Y adapter (1) > 1/4" male to 1/8" female headphone extender (2) > 1/8" male to 1/8" female headphone extender (1) > 1/4" male to 1/4" female headphone extender curly style (1) > standard ICE power cables (15) > MIDI (2) > 2 cable MIDI snake (1) > MIDI patch (short) (1) > Medium length cat5 ethernet (4) > Long cat5 ethernet (1) > Very long cat5 ethernet (3) > BNC to BNC video (3) > Longish speaker cables (5) > Long ungrounded power cable (1) > Medium raw 3 conductor wires (3) > Bundles of raw 3 conductor wire (4) > Bundle of raw shielded balanced wire (1) > 3 conductor raw wire to balanced 1/4" (2) > Optical digital audio (7) > 9 pin dsub female to 8 pin din (1) > 25 pin dsub male to 25 pin dsub male (1) > USB (1) > 9 pin dsub male to 9pin dsub male (1) > Telephone cable (1) > Bundle of raw telephone wire (1) > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://music.columbia.edu/pipermail/linux-audio-user/attachments/20070107/4e9e2087/attachment.html From lau at kudla.org Sun Jan 7 16:37:21 2007 From: lau at kudla.org (Rob) Date: Sun Jan 7 16:43:59 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] status of ams In-Reply-To: <20070107144719.GC6056@linux-2.site> References: <45A0E71F.1030505@gmail.com> <45A10582.7080109@woh.rr.com> <20070107144719.GC6056@linux-2.site> Message-ID: <200701071637.21820.lau@kudla.org> On Sunday 07 January 2007 09:47, Fons Adriaensen wrote: > Dave, do you think there is a place for a softsynth that would > be modular but with a fixed set of modules, everyhing > controlled from one window, no patch cables, only 'hardware > controls' such as sliders and switches, each one assignable to > MIDI, and of course uncompromising audio quality ? This is something I had back in my Windows days (can't remember the name of it, but it was basically a Moog Rogue style 2-oscillator synth with MIDI-mappable controls, and it was pretty cheap shareware) and I really miss it. I've tried to recreate that kind of instrument using the various modular synths under Linux. But the truth is, while I know how to tweak filter knobs and stuff on a real synth to get the sound I want, I've never been able to recreate that sort of Moog or Arp sound that is the whole reason I use simulations of analog synths in the first place. I'm not in it to be the next Walter Carlos. I did my time with electronic music experimentation when I used to roll my own DX7 patches, and that's as far as I ever want to go with it. Now I just want to compose, arrange and play using a simulation of an electronic instrument with which I'm familiar. (I also would like to figure out a way to convert the GUS patches I made 10 years ago when I was most productive, the tweaked-out mellotrons and organs and whatnot, into soundfonts so I can use them with a Fluidsynth DSSI plugin rather than having to set up Timidity as an ALSA and JACK client, but that's for another thread.) Even a nice "mini" or "2600" preset in Pd or ams or Om, which I could control using the knobs and sliders on my MIDI controller, would probably be enough to get me going again. Preferably one that lets me save its current state so I don't have to take screenshots to remember the settings. I would do it myself but like I said, I've tried and failed. Note: I've spent a little time with Bristol's Mini simulation but haven't had time to figure out how to map MIDI controllers to its parameters over the last year due to work. I've also played with Zyn, since it seems the closest to what I have in mind, though a little more complex, but holy xruns Batman. It seems on this Ubuntu-preloaded laptop I'll have to roll my own kernel to get the low-latency stuff in there, and I'm not messing with my kernel until my current work project is done. Still irritates me that after all these years we still have to use an unofficial patch to get audio output as stable as Windows or the Mac. Rob From joke at apo33.org Sun Jan 7 16:49:27 2007 From: joke at apo33.org (joke) Date: Sun Jan 7 16:54:14 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] audio record/upload box In-Reply-To: <61795e5f0701061644t38ff4b1fg51a64a70b6df18ec@mail.gmail.com> References: <61795e5f0701061644t38ff4b1fg51a64a70b6df18ec@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <45A16AE7.3010904@apo33.org> Hi Rene, we wrote a bash script for APODIO http://www.apodio.org you could use jackd & record straight with this script/ecasound in ogg on your HD... it's quite useful when you have big files to record and to put it straight on the web cheers joke #!/bin/bash # simple jack ogg recorder with ecasound # bretzel@apo33.org # copyright (C) 2005 $apo33 # # This program is free software; you can redistribute it and/or modify # it under the terms of the GNU General Public License as published by # the Free Software Foundation; either version 2 of the License, or # (at your option) any later version. # # This program is distributed in the hope that it will be useful, # but WITHOUT ANY WARRANTY; without even the implied warranty of # MERCHANTABILITY or FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE. See the # GNU General Public License for more details. # title="ecasound recorder / 1 Ctrl-C to stop and 2nd Ctrc-C to exit" ask_chnl="nbr of channel ex :2" ask_quality="Ogg/Vorbis compression quality (1)" ask_buff="working buffer" ask_resample="Ogg/Vorbis bitrate ? " ask_repertoire="directory?" ask_name="name in the stream file ?" ask_go="GO ! or Exit " ask_ices="Yes = new client Last = reload the last one killOne = kill an old one KillAll = kill all ices client Exit = ... exit" nodir_msg="no directory or not writable, we use /tmp" warning_gogo="Select the command zone before !" case $LANG in fr*) title="Enregistreur simple en Ogg/vorbis pour jack" title="ecasound enregistreur/1 Ctrl-C stop et 2eme Ctrc-C sortir" ask_chnl="nbr de canaux ex :2" ask_quality="Qualite de compression Ogg/Vorbis (1)" ask_resample="Bitrate pour un resample Ogg/Vorbis ? " ask_buff="bffer de travail " ask_repertoire="repertoirei?" ask_name="nom du fichier Ogg ?" ask_go="GO ! ou Sortir " ask_ices="Yes = Nouveau client Last = Relancer le dernier killOne = Tuer un clients ices killAll = Tuer tout les clients ices Exit = Sortir" nodir_msg="pas de repertoire ou non autorise on prend /tmp" warning_gogo="Selectionez la zone de commande!" ;; esac PATH_NAME=`pwd` path_name=`zenity --entry --entry-text="$PATH_NAME" --title="$title" --text="$ask_repertoire"` if [ ! -d "$path_name" ] || [ ! -w "$path_name" ];then path_name="/tmp" zenity --info --text="$nodir_msg" fi cd $path_name FINAME=`date "+%F_%k%M"`.ogg name=`zenity --entry --entry-text="$FINAME" --title="$title" --text="$ask_name"` if [ -z "$name" ] ;then name=`date "+%F_%k%M_$$"`.ogg;fi touch $name if [ -f $name ];then FINAME=$name;fi if [ ! -f $name ];then REP=`ls -d .` zenity --info --text="$nodir_msg $REP" fi channels=`zenity --title="$title" --list --radiolist --column="Nbr" --column="$ask_chnl" FALSE "1" TRUE "2" FALSE "3" FALSE "4" ` buffer=`zenity --title="$title" --list --radiolist --column="Nbr" --column="$ask_buff" FALSE "64" FALSE "128" TRUE "512" FALSE "1024" FALSE "4096"` quality=`zenity --height=300 --title="$title" --list --radiolist --column="" --column="$ask_quality" FALSE "u8" FALSE "s16_le" TRUE "s16_be" FALSE "s24_le" FALSE "s24_be" FALSE "s32_le" FALSE "s32_be" FALSE "f32_le" FALSE "f32_be" ` resample=`zenity --height=250 --title="$title" --list --radiolist --column="" --column="$ask_resample" FALSE "11025" FALSE "22050" TRUE "44100" FALSE "44800" ` if [ -z "$buffer" ] ;then buffer=512 ;fi if [ -z "$quality" ] ;then quality=s16 ;fi if [ -z "$channels" ] ;then channels=2 ;fi if [ -z "$resample" ] ;then resample=44100 ;fi ########################## usage=" ecasound -b:buffer -i jack_alsa -f:quality,channel,sample -o Filename " script="cd $path_name; ecasound -b:"$buffer" -i jack_alsa -f:"$quality","$channels","$resample" -o "$FINAME gogo=`zenity --list --editable --text "$usage" --column="streaming script" "$script"` if [ ! "$gogo" ] ; then zenity --warning --text "$warning_gogo";exit 1 ; fi echo "$gogo" > /tmp/gogo$$ echo "read bidon" >> /tmp/gogo$$ /usr/X11R6/bin/rxvt -e "sh /tmp/gogo$$" rm -rf /tmp/gogo$$ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > greetings, > > got a peculiar problem for the list... > > we're trying to set up a website to record and upload roughly hour > long audio to for streaming. we'd be interested in any ready to go > solutions if anyone can recommmend any but if we need to build our own > we'd prefer to use linux. > > what we'd need is a linux box with a really simple interface to > start/stop recording, then maybe automatically trim silence off the > end of the file and upload it to a web server in a format ready for > streaming. > > any advice on ways to go about this would be greatly appreciated. > > what we'd most likely do is have a web-interface for some perl scripts > which would then control some command line apps like ecasound. > > any advice greatly appreciated, > rene. > From steiner at block4.com Sun Jan 7 18:16:35 2007 From: steiner at block4.com (Malte Steiner) Date: Sun Jan 7 18:16:19 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] 64Studio 2.6.17-2-multimedia Kernel is not a highmem enabled kernel In-Reply-To: <45A1384A.4070205@xrousse.org> References: <45A0CBD3.1070308@xrousse.org> <45A0F71B.80807@block4.com> <45A1384A.4070205@xrousse.org> Message-ID: <45A17F53.2030605@block4.com> Hello, >> Otherwise you should address your concern to the 64studio-dev >> mailinglist, its on the 64studio site... > Yes, but as it's a development ml, I'm not sure it's adapted because my > question is a beginer's one ;-) > Thanks! > I think its ok. And a Kernel which is not highmem enabled seems to be a major bug and not a beginner question imho. The dev list looks like their only support which made me a bit sceptical first, being used to the helpful Ubuntu forums. But I can still use these and after checking the archive of the 64dev list I am sure its their support: http://lists.64studio.com/mailman/listinfo/64studio-devel Its always a good idea to check the bugtickets first but I cant find anything mentioning memory problems/limitations: http://64studio.com/report/2 Cheers, Malte -- Malte Steiner media art + development -www.block4.com- From dsbaikov at gmail.com Sun Jan 7 19:15:56 2007 From: dsbaikov at gmail.com (Dmitry Baikov) Date: Sun Jan 7 19:16:05 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Status of JACK midi sync? In-Reply-To: <1168205231.11662.3.camel@c213-100-20-22.swipnet.se> References: <001e01c6ed94$6c919220$95c652c6@64BitBadass> <1160613708.11532.14.camel@c213-100-20-9.swipnet.se> <1168205231.11662.3.camel@c213-100-20-22.swipnet.se> Message-ID: <70a871c80701071615l26212c74ve34f013a533d82bb@mail.gmail.com> On 1/8/07, Lars Luthman wrote: > No, you can not connect ALSA sequencer ports directly to JACK MIDI > ports. There are some bridge clients that you can use (don't have the > URLs here, I think they were posted to the jackit-devel list a while > ago). There is also a patch for JACK's ALSA backend that exposes the > hardware MIDI ports available to ALSA as JACK MIDI ports, but it has not > been applied to the SVN version of JACK yet. New version of a patch will be posted today (or tomorrow, depending on your definition of today ;). Regards, Dmitry. From b0ef at esben-stien.name Sun Jan 7 21:06:37 2007 From: b0ef at esben-stien.name (Esben Stien) Date: Sun Jan 7 19:18:41 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] status of ams In-Reply-To: <20070107144719.GC6056@linux-2.site> (Fons Adriaensen's message of "Sun, 7 Jan 2007 15:47:19 +0100") References: <45A0E71F.1030505@gmail.com> <45A10582.7080109@woh.rr.com> <20070107144719.GC6056@linux-2.site> Message-ID: <871wm69sr6.fsf@esben-stien.name> Fons Adriaensen writes: > do you think there is a place for a softsynth that would be modular > but with a fixed set of modules, everyhing controlled from one > window, no patch cables, only 'hardware controls' such as sliders > and switches, each one assignable to MIDI, and of course > uncompromising audio quality ? This is more an interface. I think it's really bad if the synth interface is not separated from the core. Projects like smash and build tools like khagan are the right way to design such interfaces while still not excluding power users who wants to dig deeper. Many people feel comfortable with knobs (even though knobs are the most non intuitive controller on a GUI, in my opinion) and it would present a familiar interface. You could make 10 such interfaces for some sounds and the user familiar with such interfaces would be happy;). The belt wheel controller on ardour is a very nice controller, btw;) -- Esben Stien is b0ef@e s a http://www. s t n m irc://irc. b - i . e/%23contact sip:b0ef@ e e jid:b0ef@ n n From jri at broadpark.no Sun Jan 7 19:27:18 2007 From: jri at broadpark.no (Johannes Mario Ringheim) Date: Sun Jan 7 19:27:55 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Music: Freewheeling DJ Mix In-Reply-To: References: <459FFD65.9000100@broadpark.no> <20070106163033.1cbab282@mistral.stie> <45A0521D.6040300@broadpark.no> <45A0A09C.5080508@boosthardware.com> <45A0ED47.6000106@broadpark.no> Message-ID: <45A18FE6.30507@broadpark.no> Jon H wrote: > That's technically impressive and it sounds good too! Thanks! > > Have you shared this with J.P. Mercury yet? J.P...who? > I'm also interested in making such music. What sort of turntable did > you use for this? Recommendations? I use the Technics 1210s, classic DJ turntable. Lots of other models have come out in the recent years, take a look at turntablelab.com for example. Haven't really tried any other than the 1210, but I hear that the Vestax models with straight arms are good. Just don't go for the cheapest gemini crap. How many loops did you use in FW at > any one time and how did you trigger them? Not too many in this mix, about 3-4 I think. I'm working just now with having beats playing in Hydrogen, and then live loops and sound effects on top of that in FW. For the trigger you can use the keyboard, or do as I did, make a pedal out of an old joystick, solder it to an old mouse, and use an app called mousemidi to convert the mousesignal to midi-pedal messages. Alternatively you could buy a midi-pedal ;) > > Very cool release. Thanks for sharing! Thanks for dl and commenting. -- Ringheims Auto - Fri musikk for bilstereo! http://ringheimsauto.org From fons at kokkinizita.net Sun Jan 7 20:03:15 2007 From: fons at kokkinizita.net (Fons Adriaensen) Date: Sun Jan 7 20:00:13 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] status of ams In-Reply-To: <871wm69sr6.fsf@esben-stien.name> References: <45A0E71F.1030505@gmail.com> <45A10582.7080109@woh.rr.com> <20070107144719.GC6056@linux-2.site> <871wm69sr6.fsf@esben-stien.name> Message-ID: <20070108010315.GE6056@linux-2.site> On Mon, Jan 08, 2007 at 03:06:37AM +0100, Esben Stien wrote: > Fons Adriaensen writes: > > > do you think there is a place for a softsynth that would be modular > > but with a fixed set of modules, everyhing controlled from one > > window, no patch cables, only 'hardware controls' such as sliders > > and switches, each one assignable to MIDI, and of course > > uncompromising audio quality ? > > This is more an interface. If you meant 'an interface issue' I disagree. The impact of the suggested restrictions goes much deeper than only the interface. > I think it's really bad if the synth > interface is not separated from the core. They have to be in separate threads or processes of course. But in the case I proposed the interface would directly reflect the nature of the core and would not try to hide or generalise it, so no further separation would be required or even wanted. It's a very specific core, and the idea is to have an interface that fits very closely to it. This allows to do things in the interface that would be very hard in a more abstracted approach. > Projects like smash and > build tools like khagan are the right way to design such interfaces > while still not excluding power users who wants to dig deeper. If you want a separate interface OSC is the way to do it. The tools used don't matter. But there is no 'deeper' in this case - that's the whole point of it. > The belt wheel controller on ardour is a very nice controller, btw;) True, and it's one I would use for such a project. -- FA Lascia la spina, cogli la rosa. From fons at kokkinizita.net Sun Jan 7 20:17:39 2007 From: fons at kokkinizita.net (Fons Adriaensen) Date: Sun Jan 7 20:15:00 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] status of ams In-Reply-To: <200701071637.21820.lau@kudla.org> References: <45A0E71F.1030505@gmail.com> <45A10582.7080109@woh.rr.com> <20070107144719.GC6056@linux-2.site> <200701071637.21820.lau@kudla.org> Message-ID: <20070108011739.GF6056@linux-2.site> On Sun, Jan 07, 2007 at 04:37:21PM -0500, Rob wrote: > I've tried to recreate that kind of instrument using the various > modular synths under Linux. But the truth is, while I know how > to tweak filter knobs and stuff on a real synth to get the sound > I want, I've never been able to recreate that sort of Moog or > Arp sound that is the whole reason I use simulations of analog > synths in the first place. Some of the sounds created by Matthias came *very* close to e.g. to the classical Moog sounds. One of the key factors IIRC was the use of the high-pass filter plugin module, which was also my last contribution to AMS. On of the last things that Matthias added to AMS was a user-defined view of a subset of the zillions of controls that you can have in a complex patch, and a preset system referring only to the controls present in that view. This allows you to create a simple interface to a patch and forget about the signal flow window and its modules. Unfortunately that system - practical as it is - was added without much consideration for the consequences of how it was implemented, and so it became one of the obstacles to a much needed reworking of AMS. -- FA Lascia la spina, cogli la rosa. From loki.davison at gmail.com Sun Jan 7 20:54:06 2007 From: loki.davison at gmail.com (Loki Davison) Date: Sun Jan 7 20:54:15 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] OT: Getting rid of entire studio In-Reply-To: <1168035261.12011.20.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <311b5a1a0701040354i6b69c1e6v18ffc580d4a8d9a4@mail.gmail.com> <20070104131923.GA5435@charly.SWORD> <311b5a1a0701050053k352e87d7ib04eb92fcfb50dd5@mail.gmail.com> <1168035261.12011.20.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: On 1/6/07, Aaron J. Trumm wrote: > Hi all - sorry to anyone at Stanford who just saw this... > > I'm getting rid of pretty much my entire studio - I have a list - > probably even too detailed a list - I thought I'd post it here - anybody > that wants something, make me an offer (even if it's "I want that for > free!" - I really just need it gone) > > Hurry though - I'm gone by the 20th! > > ps: the Event 20/20 monitors need work - I think they blew a transformer > or something - should be a pretty easy fix for those in the know (I > think) > > :) I'm keen on any of the mics or mixers if you can't sell them to anyone else. Especially and mic for singing and guitar. ;) Not sure how much it would cost to post to australia and i'm in southern china hiking for the next month... but if you need to get rid of it cheap and i can work out some way to get money to you it would be good. Other question... what the hell was the machete for in the studio? ;) Loki From listreader at lupulin.net Sun Jan 7 21:16:18 2007 From: listreader at lupulin.net (paul wisehart) Date: Sun Jan 7 21:20:35 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] working rt kernel and config examples? Message-ID: <20070108021618.GA2447@seraf.here.net> Hi, I'm having trouble getting the latest -rt kernel to boot. It builds OK, but it hangs on boot-up. I'm thinking that a more minimal config could weed out whatver functionality is choking the boot process for the -rt enebled kernel. So, can anybody recommend a working config/kernel-version/rt-patch-version combo? I'm feeling lazy, and I'd rather start with something that someone else has working, rather than keep re-compiling different configs and kernels. I have a pentium-M based Dell Latitude600 running slackware-11. I had a working -rt kernel in the past, but I've reloaded this machine a few times since then, and don't have the particulars. Or, if any of you use CCRMA's -rt kernel, can you tell me how to get the config from it w/o downloading the whole distro? (and, which version it is) thanks for any pointers, -- paul w From mle+la at mega-nerd.com Sun Jan 7 21:20:43 2007 From: mle+la at mega-nerd.com (Erik de Castro Lopo) Date: Sun Jan 7 21:21:54 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] OT: Getting rid of entire studio In-Reply-To: References: <311b5a1a0701040354i6b69c1e6v18ffc580d4a8d9a4@mail.gmail.com> <20070104131923.GA5435@charly.SWORD> <311b5a1a0701050053k352e87d7ib04eb92fcfb50dd5@mail.gmail.com> <1168035261.12011.20.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <20070108132043.b5d1c7c8.mle+la@mega-nerd.com> Loki Davison wrote: > Other question... what the hell was the machete for in the studio? ;) Probably old-skool tape manipulation. Erik -- +-----------------------------------------------------------+ Erik de Castro Lopo +-----------------------------------------------------------+ "Who would have believed that reading and writing would pay off?" -- Homer Simpson From pmn at concise-logic.com Sun Jan 7 21:45:14 2007 From: pmn at concise-logic.com (Nick Nicholes) Date: Sun Jan 7 21:42:32 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Hum Eliminator I haven't seen before In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.20060617093855.009ae760@ttc-cmc.net> References: <3.0.5.32.20060617093855.009ae760@ttc-cmc.net> Message-ID: <200701071945.14575.pmn@concise-logic.com> On Saturday 17 June 2006 09:38, Nick & Kate Nicholes wrote: > What do you think of eBay #9742956533? > XO http://www.newsday.com/travel/am-passport07,0,7082239.story?coll=ny-travel-headlines From arnold.krille at gmail.com Mon Jan 8 03:37:37 2007 From: arnold.krille at gmail.com (Arnold Krille) Date: Mon Jan 8 03:38:04 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] OT: Getting rid of entire studio In-Reply-To: <20070108132043.b5d1c7c8.mle+la@mega-nerd.com> References: <311b5a1a0701040354i6b69c1e6v18ffc580d4a8d9a4@mail.gmail.com> <20070104131923.GA5435@charly.SWORD> <311b5a1a0701050053k352e87d7ib04eb92fcfb50dd5@mail.gmail.com> <1168035261.12011.20.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20070108132043.b5d1c7c8.mle+la@mega-nerd.com> Message-ID: <2def88b80701080037h75f81f2dr30b914781bc63612@mail.gmail.com> 2007/1/8, Erik de Castro Lopo : > Loki Davison wrote: > > Other question... what the hell was the machete for in the studio? ;) > Probably old-skool tape manipulation. Or: - Not paying customers. - Lazy artists. Have a nice day, Arnold -- visit http://www.arnoldarts.de/ --- Wenn man mit Raubkopien Bands wie Brosis oder Britney Spears wirklich verhindern k?nnte, w?rde ich mir noch heute einen Stapel Brenner und einen Sack Rohlinge kaufen. From dave at pawfal.org Mon Jan 8 04:50:04 2007 From: dave at pawfal.org (Dave Griffiths) Date: Mon Jan 8 04:50:19 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] status of ams In-Reply-To: <45A12CE0.60007@gmail.com> References: <45A0E71F.1030505@gmail.com> <20070107135944.GA6056@linux-2.site> <1168178846.11644.4.camel@c213-100-20-22.swipnet.se> <20070107143051.GB6056@linux-2.site> <20070107145133.GD23009@fliwatut.scifi> <45A12CE0.60007@gmail.com> Message-ID: <56123.217.18.21.2.1168249804.squirrel@webmail.pawfal.org> > Frank Barknecht wrote: > >> Though I guess I understand what you mean, I'd like to note that >> CSound, SuperCollider and Pd are the by far the most widely used [1] >> synths on Linux, so one could argue that they are the real >> "mainstream" Linux synths. ;) > > I'm actually quite close to give up on all these GUI synths (and their > unsteady development) and go back to csound (or better yet, figure out > super-collider), because of the stability in development and width in > user community they can offer. I'm surprised there isn't more talk about supercollider here. From hearing performances using it, it's sound quality is superb. cheers, dave From tech at glastonburymusic.org.uk Mon Jan 8 08:31:14 2007 From: tech at glastonburymusic.org.uk (tim hall) Date: Mon Jan 8 08:31:57 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Free society Revisited (Was: Vocoder) In-Reply-To: References: <44C40539.3060402@isonews2.com> <20070105142111.GA14010@storm.local.network> Message-ID: <200701081331.19550.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> On Friday 05 January 2007 18:17, Tim Howard was like: > On 1/5/07, Forest Bond wrote: > > On Thu, Jan 04, 2007 at 05:26:02PM -0800, Tim Howard wrote: > > > I think the real problem centers around the fact that people get too > > > hung up on money... > > > > Spoken like a man who doesn't have to struggle too much for a meal. > > > > -Forest > > This is true. ?But I would say that those who are in need of more > money in order to survive, are not "hung up on money", but rather > focused on survival. ?Which is a bit different. Yeah, and being hung up on money can seriously limit one's survival options. I speak from the experience of having had to struggle for meals regularly and recently. Whether you need to eat or just upgrade your computer, actually the process is the same. You will not progress by focussing on the fact that you have no money, you have to focus on the idea that you _are_ going to get what you want/need and stop worrying about the financial details. So I agree with Carlo in this instance. -- cheers, tim hall http://glastonburymusic.org.uk/tim We are the people We've been waiting for. From fbar at footils.org Mon Jan 8 09:19:36 2007 From: fbar at footils.org (Frank Barknecht) Date: Mon Jan 8 09:19:51 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] status of ams In-Reply-To: <56123.217.18.21.2.1168249804.squirrel@webmail.pawfal.org> References: <45A0E71F.1030505@gmail.com> <20070107135944.GA6056@linux-2.site> <1168178846.11644.4.camel@c213-100-20-22.swipnet.se> <20070107143051.GB6056@linux-2.site> <20070107145133.GD23009@fliwatut.scifi> <45A12CE0.60007@gmail.com> <56123.217.18.21.2.1168249804.squirrel@webmail.pawfal.org> Message-ID: <20070108141935.GB22884@fliwatut.scifi> Hallo, Dave Griffiths hat gesagt: // Dave Griffiths wrote: > > Frank Barknecht wrote: > > > >> Though I guess I understand what you mean, I'd like to note that > >> CSound, SuperCollider and Pd are the by far the most widely used [1] > >> synths on Linux, so one could argue that they are the real > >> "mainstream" Linux synths. ;) > > > > I'm actually quite close to give up on all these GUI synths (and their > > unsteady development) and go back to csound (or better yet, figure out > > super-collider), because of the stability in development and width in > > user community they can offer. > > I'm surprised there isn't more talk about supercollider here. From hearing > performances using it, it's sound quality is superb. I think, talk about CSound, SC and Pd mostly happens on the respective mailing lists. pd-list and pd-dev for example have more subscribers than LAU/LAD and a quite a big amount of traffic. There just is no need to talk about Pd-specific topics on LAU/LAD. I guess it's similar with SC and Csound. The fact, that there's not that much talk about the big three on LAD/LAU in no way means they aren't used on Linux. Ciao -- Frank Barknecht _ ______footils.org_ __goto10.org__ From nedko at arnaudov.name Mon Jan 8 09:51:29 2007 From: nedko at arnaudov.name (Nedko Arnaudov) Date: Mon Jan 8 09:46:52 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [ANN] jack_mixer version 2 Message-ID: <87odp9o9la.fsf@arnaudov.name> jack_mixer version 2 released. jack_mixer is GTK (2.x) JACK audio mixer with look similar to it`s hardware counterparts. It has lot of useful features, apart from being able to mix multiple JACK audio streams. Changes since version 1: * Fix compilation issue for 64-bit platforms (-fPIC) * Add new meter scale - iec268, fewer marks * Add hints in documentation for compiling on Ubuntu * Fix compilation with offsetof macro definition Homepage with screenshots: http://home.gna.org/jackmixer/ Download: http://download.gna.org/jackmixer/ -- Nedko Arnaudov -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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What sort of turntable did > > you use for this? Recommendations? > > I use the Technics 1210s, classic DJ turntable. Lots of other models > have come out in the recent years, take a look at turntablelab.com for > example. Haven't really tried any other than the 1210, but I hear that > the Vestax models with straight arms are good. Just don't go for the > cheapest gemini crap. > > How many loops did you use in FW at > > any one time and how did you trigger them? > > Not too many in this mix, about 3-4 I think. I'm working just now with > having beats playing in Hydrogen, and then live loops and sound effects > on top of that in FW. For the trigger you can use the keyboard, or do as > I did, make a pedal out of an old joystick, solder it to an old mouse, > and use an app called mousemidi to convert the mousesignal to midi-pedal > messages. > Alternatively you could buy a midi-pedal ;) > > > > > Very cool release. Thanks for sharing! > > Thanks for dl and commenting. > > -- > Ringheims Auto - Fri musikk for bilstereo! > http://ringheimsauto.org > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://music.columbia.edu/pipermail/linux-audio-user/attachments/20070108/55a7d41f/attachment-0001.html From nickycopeland at hotmail.com Mon Jan 8 11:34:08 2007 From: nickycopeland at hotmail.com (Nick Copeland) Date: Mon Jan 8 11:34:26 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] status of ams In-Reply-To: <20070107154330.GA5451@charly.SWORD> Message-ID: > > do you think there is a place for a softsynth that would be > > modular but with a fixed set of modules, everyhing controlled from > > one window, no patch cables, only 'hardware controls' such as > > sliders and switches, each one assignable to MIDI, and of course > > uncompromising audio quality ? > > In other words a synth that would be easy to use and optimised for > > 'live' work, sort of a MiniMoog on steroids ? Polyphonic of course but > > not multi-timbral - just start two or three of them if you need that. The Bristol 2600 does this, you either use the default patching, or you can repatch it with cables. The cable patch layer is a transparency and you can toggle with the 't' key between opaque and transparent to either hide the spaghetti when programming or show the layer when you are repatching. Nick. _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ From steiner at block4.com Mon Jan 8 11:45:34 2007 From: steiner at block4.com (Malte Steiner) Date: Mon Jan 8 11:50:43 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] midi interface In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <45A2752E.2020805@block4.com> Hello, > If I have a midi-interface, one of those externals, to which you can connect > more than one device (synth, keyboard), how does this look to alsa? Does it > only see one dvice with a lot of channels or does it see more devices? I think > about getting one to use it with midish, which uses rawmidi devices and I > wonder if it will work. When I connect my Emagic AMT8 to the computer it sees the 1 device with 9 connectors, the actual plugs 1-8 and one broadcast which goes to all. Unfortunally it didnt see the Unitor which is daisychained to the AMT and normally add 8 more ins/outs. This scares me a bit, are there any ways around? Now that Apple ceased all the midihardware equipment, what are the options for multi- midichannel cards? Has Steinberg some hardware offers? Actually the behaviour of Apple drove me to Linux when they abandond SoundDiver and Emagic Hardware, I lost the trust into companys. Cheers, Malte -- Malte Steiner media art + development -www.block4.com- From badmuthahubbard at gmail.com Mon Jan 8 12:05:04 2007 From: badmuthahubbard at gmail.com (Chuckk Hubbard) Date: Mon Jan 8 12:25:38 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Re: SB450 any good? why does jack fail? In-Reply-To: <1168192882.45a135720f070@www.slackmail.co.uk> References: <20070107032243.BB0ED57DAA0F@music.columbia.edu> <1168192882.45a135720f070@www.slackmail.co.uk> Message-ID: <8200bab70701080905h3a3fc672s261febb7009b37be@mail.gmail.com> On 1/7/07, sam@bristolwireless.net wrote: > > Chuck wrote; > > Wow, I have SB450 and haven't yet heard a whisper from it. Did you > > have to do anything special? > > all i did was buy the laptop and install 64studio on it... whaaaat. I tried that too. I guess something's different in my machine. -Chuckk From steiner at block4.com Mon Jan 8 12:07:34 2007 From: steiner at block4.com (Malte Steiner) Date: Mon Jan 8 12:26:44 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] OT: more about (laptop) hum Message-ID: <45A27A56.1000703@block4.com> On my recent Linux Asus laptop I have some problems with noise. One solution which always work is to play from batterys but I think that killed one performance at Piksel where Asus seems to decide to lower the USB voltage during a set and renderd my P5 Glove suddenly useless. Its differs from location to location and I passed some gigs plugged :) while I remember a gig in Berlin where the hum was an anoying high pitched tone which was transmitted over the buildin soundcard real loud but also over a RME PCMCIA Multiface. Today I had some time to research and rememberd that the RME and my mixing desk has balanced plugs which I never used that way, I have to confess. I was always happy with unbalanced cables and think I have never problems with an old Powerbook TI with which I did lot of recording (thats not praising Apple equipment, a Quicksilver G4 Tower gives a hell of noise out of the builtin soundcard, you can heare every byte which is shifted around). Anyway I found only 1 'balanced' cable in my arsenal which I seldom use ('stubid stereo cable, what can I use it for') and voila, humming reduced to 98% I would say. There is still a tiny silent high pitch sound, I have to crank up all possible volumefaders to even notice, a good way to ruin speakers and ears btw., by accidently triggering a sound :). I compared it with noise from other, none digital equipment and its in a good league so I am happy for now, except that I now want stupid-stereo-cables-no-one-can-use, to go balanced, but unfortunally my bankaccount is not balanced either so it has to wait. Cheers, Malte -- Malte Steiner media art + development -www.block4.com- From steiner at block4.com Mon Jan 8 12:13:07 2007 From: steiner at block4.com (Malte Steiner) Date: Mon Jan 8 12:32:09 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] status of ams In-Reply-To: <20070108141935.GB22884@fliwatut.scifi> References: <45A0E71F.1030505@gmail.com> <20070107135944.GA6056@linux-2.site> <1168178846.11644.4.camel@c213-100-20-22.swipnet.se> <20070107143051.GB6056@linux-2.site> <20070107145133.GD23009@fliwatut.scifi> <45A12CE0.60007@gmail.com> <56123.217.18.21.2.1168249804.squirrel@webmail.pawfal.org> <20070108141935.GB22884@fliwatut.scifi> Message-ID: <45A27BA3.5060507@block4.com> Frank Barknecht wrote: > Hallo, > Dave Griffiths hat gesagt: // Dave Griffiths wrote: > > I think, talk about CSound, SC and Pd mostly happens on the respective > mailing lists. pd-list and pd-dev for example have more subscribers > than LAU/LAD and a quite a big amount of traffic. There just is no > need to talk about Pd-specific topics on LAU/LAD. I guess it's similar > with SC and Csound. I can confirm for Csound. Btw Dave, what about Spiralmodular, I like to use it but on recent distributions the sound is always sort of ringmodulated/aliased, is there a simple solution of it? I thought it would be some sampling frequency mismatch but judging from the settings its the same as Jacks.. Cheers, Malte -- Malte Steiner media art + development -www.block4.com- From mista.tapas at gmx.net Mon Jan 8 12:42:51 2007 From: mista.tapas at gmx.net (Florian Schmidt) Date: Mon Jan 8 13:04:49 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: [linux-audio-announce] [ANN] jack_mixer version 2 In-Reply-To: <87odp9o9la.fsf@arnaudov.name> References: <87odp9o9la.fsf@arnaudov.name> Message-ID: <200701081842.52036.mista.tapas@gmx.net> On Monday 08 January 2007 15:51, Nedko Arnaudov wrote: > jack_mixer version 2 released. > > jack_mixer is GTK (2.x) JACK audio mixer with look similar to it`s > hardware counterparts. It has lot of useful features, apart from being > able to mix multiple JACK audio streams. > > Changes since version 1: > > * Fix compilation issue for 64-bit platforms (-fPIC) > * Add new meter scale - iec268, fewer marks > * Add hints in documentation for compiling on Ubuntu > * Fix compilation with offsetof macro definition > > Homepage with screenshots: http://home.gna.org/jackmixer/ > > Download: http://download.gna.org/jackmixer/ works nicely.. and it has LASH :) great. Thanks, Flo -- Palimm Palimm! http://tapas.affenbande.org From pcoccoli at gmail.com Mon Jan 8 12:43:11 2007 From: pcoccoli at gmail.com (Paul Coccoli) Date: Mon Jan 8 13:06:39 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Music: Freewheeling DJ Mix In-Reply-To: <45A18FE6.30507@broadpark.no> References: <459FFD65.9000100@broadpark.no> <20070106163033.1cbab282@mistral.stie> <45A0521D.6040300@broadpark.no> <45A0A09C.5080508@boosthardware.com> <45A0ED47.6000106@broadpark.no> <45A18FE6.30507@broadpark.no> Message-ID: <8d27a0610701080943w58775d92vc71b8fdf9dcd5582@mail.gmail.com> On 1/7/07, Johannes Mario Ringheim wrote: [SNIP] > on top of that in FW. For the trigger you can use the keyboard, or do as > I did, make a pedal out of an old joystick, solder it to an old mouse, > and use an app called mousemidi to convert the mousesignal to midi-pedal > messages. > Alternatively you could buy a midi-pedal ;) > Or use the joystick with aseqjoy. From fons at kokkinizita.net Mon Jan 8 13:00:35 2007 From: fons at kokkinizita.net (Fons Adriaensen) Date: Mon Jan 8 13:21:46 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] status of ams In-Reply-To: References: <20070107154330.GA5451@charly.SWORD> Message-ID: <20070108180035.GE6258@linux-2.site> On Mon, Jan 08, 2007 at 05:34:08PM +0100, Nick Copeland wrote: > The Bristol 2600 does this, you either use the default patching, or you can > repatch it with cables. The cable patch layer is a transparency and you can > toggle with the 't' key between opaque and transparent to either hide the > spaghetti when programming or show the layer when you are repatching. I downloaded Bristol yesterday to have a look at it but didn't manage to get a single sound out it. It seemed to have problems with ALSA, and even with -jack tried to use an ALSA device. I'll try again some time later. Is Bristol a single 'engine' with a number of interfaces on top of it, or does it have DSP code specific to a synth type (e.g. the Moog's filters) ? -- FA Lascia la spina, cogli la rosa. From smoak at mis.net Mon Jan 8 13:16:24 2007 From: smoak at mis.net (M P Smoak) Date: Mon Jan 8 13:25:37 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Interesting Article Message-ID: <200701081316.24268.smoak@mis.net> I sometimes search google news for what's in the news about linux and audio. Recently found this: What's up next in Linux desktop standardization? http://www.desktoplinux.com/news/NS5669466762.html It's about a recent OSDL Desktop Architects Meeting. Did LAD or LAU folks attend this meeting? Or does anyone here know about it? I've often wondered if OSDL had any interest in audio or music app's. Or gave much toward supporting its development. I don't know what to say, if anything, about the article but I do think it worth reading. I would like to hear comments by developers here. Marv in Lex KY From julien at c-lab.de Mon Jan 8 13:41:26 2007 From: julien at c-lab.de (Julien Claassen) Date: Mon Jan 8 13:58:00 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] midi interface In-Reply-To: <45A2752E.2020805@block4.com> References: <45A2752E.2020805@block4.com> Message-ID: Hi! I meant: do you get something like: /dev/snd/midiC1D0, /dev/snd/midiC1D1 ...? Because I'm afraid, that's the only thing midish understands. Kindest regards Julien -------- Music was my first love and it will be my last (John Miles) ======== FIND MY WEB-PROJECT AT: ======== http://ltsb.sourceforge.net the Linux TextBased Studio guide ======= AND MY PERSONAL PAGES AT: ======= http://www.juliencoder.de From smoak at mis.net Mon Jan 8 14:15:57 2007 From: smoak at mis.net (M P Smoak) Date: Mon Jan 8 14:20:32 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] OT: more about (laptop) hum In-Reply-To: <45A27A56.1000703@block4.com> References: <45A27A56.1000703@block4.com> Message-ID: <200701081415.57309.smoak@mis.net> On Monday 08 January 2007 12:07 pm, Malte Steiner wrote: > Anyway I found only 1 'balanced' cable in my arsenal which I seldom > use ('stubid stereo cable, what can I use it for') and voila, humming > reduced to 98% I would say. There is still a tiny silent high pitch > sound, I have to crank up all possible volumefaders to even notice, a > good way to ruin speakers and ears btw., by accidently triggering a > sound :). > I compared it with noise from other, none digital equipment and its > in a good league so I am happy for now, except that I now want > stupid-stereo-cables-no-one-can-use, to go balanced, but unfortunally > my bankaccount is not balanced either so it has to wait. Yes, balanced cables make a huge difference. I knew it before but got a real reminder when our group got a couple of new mixers with good balanced inputs and good preamps. Good cables are very expensive, I think, but worth it. It nearly kills me that I can't find anyone here who will repair them when they go dead. One of the folks in our group owns a video studio here and I asked him last Saturday night "Mike, who repairs your cables when they need repair?" He said he just tosses them and buys new. So ask around the studios, broadcasters, ... in your area, if you can solder or are willing to learn how. Might be able to get some free that are repairable. I'm probably going to buy a soldering rig and re-learn something I learned about 1958 but haven't done in 30 years. If you're in the US or Canada, contact me offline; I got a few I'll give you if you'll fix some for me. I can't seem to toss bad cables. Must be something about how scarce things were when I was growing up; we fixed things that broke or did without. Marv in Lex KY From nickycopeland at hotmail.com Mon Jan 8 14:10:50 2007 From: nickycopeland at hotmail.com (Nick Copeland) Date: Mon Jan 8 14:31:04 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] status of ams In-Reply-To: <20070108180035.GE6258@linux-2.site> Message-ID: Single engine running different emulations, there are different operators for some aspects of each synth and some share components. Each GUI represents the parameters that are used by the given emulation and responds to MIDI controllers on whatever channel it is configured. The GUI can actually be a single process as well i.e. the graphics library handles multiple windows simultaneously its just that the only user interface at the moment is to start multiple GUI that connect to the same engine. When an interface is integrated to start synths from within the application then the GUI and engine could become different threads of the same binary. There would be some benefits from doing that, but it might make a mess of the distribution capabilties where the GUI and engine can run on different systems with X11 output to a 3rd system. I quite like this kind of multitiered architecture albeit overly complex. The filters are not 'quite' moog quality - not much of a surprise. There are some new ones being worked on for the Aks and MS20 that should be a bit warmer. Try "startBristol -gain 64 -2600 -jack -logo", this should give you a higher gain at the output stage. Internal operations are float so this should not affect the quality excessively. Normalising the different gains is something I should work on as some synths thump outs sounds at different levels. If in doubt use the -b3 as it has the highest gain as it has over 90 emulated toothwheels, but then watch our for different -gain values as the results could be unexpected. Its my job to do this normalisation, but until people complain enough that won't happen. Let me know how '-gain 64' works, I was thinking of making this the default. Regards, Nick. http://bristol.sourceforge.net >From: Fons Adriaensen >Reply-To: A list for linux audio users > >To: A list for linux audio users >Subject: Re: [linux-audio-user] status of ams >Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2007 19:00:35 +0100 > >On Mon, Jan 08, 2007 at 05:34:08PM +0100, Nick Copeland wrote: > > > The Bristol 2600 does this, you either use the default patching, or you >can > > repatch it with cables. The cable patch layer is a transparency and you >can > > toggle with the 't' key between opaque and transparent to either hide >the > > spaghetti when programming or show the layer when you are repatching. > >I downloaded Bristol yesterday to have a look at it but didn't manage >to get a single sound out it. It seemed to have problems with ALSA, and >even with -jack tried to use an ALSA device. I'll try again some >time later. > >Is Bristol a single 'engine' with a number of interfaces on top of it, >or does it have DSP code specific to a synth type (e.g. the Moog's >filters) ? > >-- >FA > >Lascia la spina, cogli la rosa. > _________________________________________________________________ FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar - get it now! http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ From martin at dc.cis.okstate.edu Mon Jan 8 14:38:53 2007 From: martin at dc.cis.okstate.edu (Martin McCormick) Date: Mon Jan 8 14:51:07 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Opening Stereo 8-bit 8-K Audio Streams Message-ID: <200701081938.l08JcrKB063291@dc.cis.okstate.edu> I wrote a VOX or Voice Actuated Relay recording program about 4 years ago and have been adding to it. It occurred to me that I may be able to get 2 VOX's for the price of one by opening /dev/dsp in stereo mode instead of the straight /dev/dsp mode I have been using. This should give me a 16-bit value each time with half of it being the left channel audio sample and the other half being the right channel. To cut to the chase, I can't seem to open /dev/dsp in this manner. I found some 90's era documentation about oss-sound and Linux audio. Of course, there is mention of /dev/dspw (my salvation!). As with many older and direct methods, it no longer exists. At least modern Debian systems running the 2.6.5 kernel with ALSA don't have it so there must be another way to do it. Another 90's document has a snippet of code using ioctl and it compiles, but I will show you what happens. Here is what blows up. The source has the following includes: #include #include #include #include #include #include #include #include This next variable is defined inside main int format = 0; The audio device file descriptor is defined as FILE *audio_fd; The part of the code that fails is taken right from the example. /*Set 8-K stereo mode.*/ format = AFMT_S16_LE; /*On my system, that sets format to 16.*/ if (ioctl(audio_fd, SNDCTL_DSP_SETFMT, &format)==-1) { /* Fatal error */ perror("SNDCTL_DSP_SETFMT"); exit(1); } The failure appears to have nothing to do with sound capabilities. Here is what gdb shows when stepping through the program. /dev/dsp successfully opens first for reading so that is no problem. The very next thing I do is to try to use the ioctl to set the number of channels. That is the code you see above. Here is what happens when we get there: Breakpoint 2, main (argc=2, argv=0xbffff684) at vx2ch.c:118 118 if (ioctl(audio_fd, SNDCTL_DSP_SETFMT, &format)==-1) (gdb) step 120 perror("SNDCTL_DSP_SETFMT"); (gdb) SNDCTL_DSP_SETFMT: Bad file descriptor 121 exit(1); The file descriptor being passed to SNDCTL_DSP_SETFMT is audio_fd. If I take all this code out, you have the original program which runs just fine but only uses straight /dev/dsp (8-bit, 8-K mono). I'd stick the whole source in here, but it's 322 lines and all of it works except what I have demonstrated. With alsa installed, what is the best practice for opening some version of /dev/dsp for two 8-K 8-bit streams such that you get a 16-bit stream? Thanks for any suggestions or pointers to newer documentation. Martin McCormick WB5AGZ Stillwater, OK Systems Engineer OSU Information Technology Department Network Operations Group -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-REQUEST@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmaster@lists.debian.org From steiner at block4.com Mon Jan 8 14:55:33 2007 From: steiner at block4.com (Malte Steiner) Date: Mon Jan 8 15:06:44 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Interesting Article In-Reply-To: <200701081316.24268.smoak@mis.net> References: <200701081316.24268.smoak@mis.net> Message-ID: <45A2A1B5.10702@block4.com> Interesting differences of perception. The text says that audio on Linux sucks while I must say I am rather happy with it. Jack is incredible and I never could get such a low latency either on Windows nor OS9 nor OSX. Granted, some work need to be done and I would like to see more drivers (which is a problem of the hardware manufacturers refusing to hand out documentation) but overall I think Linux is a very good platform for audio. Cheers, Malte -- Malte Steiner media art + development -www.block4.com- From pw_lists at slinkp.com Mon Jan 8 15:00:38 2007 From: pw_lists at slinkp.com (Paul Winkler) Date: Mon Jan 8 15:12:19 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] OT: more about (laptop) hum In-Reply-To: <200701081415.57309.smoak@mis.net> References: <45A27A56.1000703@block4.com> <200701081415.57309.smoak@mis.net> Message-ID: <20070108200038.GA9098@slinkp.com> On Mon, Jan 08, 2007 at 02:15:57PM -0500, M P Smoak wrote: > So ask around the studios, broadcasters, ... in your area, if you can > solder or are willing to learn how. Might be able to get some free > that are repairable. I'm probably going to buy a soldering rig and > re-learn something I learned about 1958 but haven't done in 30 years. Fortunately, soldering cables is about the easiest repair job there is :-) A highly recommended skill for any modern musician to learn. -- Paul Winkler http://www.slinkp.com From st at tobiah.org Mon Jan 8 15:19:58 2007 From: st at tobiah.org (Tobiah) Date: Mon Jan 8 15:26:47 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] OT: more about (laptop) hum In-Reply-To: <200701081415.57309.smoak@mis.net> References: <45A27A56.1000703@block4.com> <200701081415.57309.smoak@mis.net> Message-ID: <45A2A76E.6020406@tobiah.org> > It nearly kills me that I can't find anyone here > who will repair them when they go dead. It's not really rocket science. Soldering is a little more difficult than using a hot glue gun, but not much. Look on the net for a tutorial. You want to heat the connection, and have the connection melt the solder, rather then the gun directly. I recommend a separate tub of flux, rather than, or in addition to rosin core solder. Flux the connection, burn of the flux with the gun, then solder as I described. Also, grub the plug with long nose pliers between the heat and the plastic, or you may melt the connector. I would cut six inches or so off of the bad end(s) of the cable, to be sure that the break/short is long gone. From ats at offog.org Mon Jan 8 15:39:12 2007 From: ats at offog.org (Adam Sampson) Date: Mon Jan 8 15:40:19 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Opening Stereo 8-bit 8-K Audio Streams In-Reply-To: <200701081938.l08JcrKB063291@dc.cis.okstate.edu> (Martin McCormick's message of "Mon, 08 Jan 2007 13:38:53 -0600") References: <200701081938.l08JcrKB063291@dc.cis.okstate.edu> Message-ID: Martin McCormick writes: > The audio device file descriptor is defined as > FILE *audio_fd; ... > Breakpoint 2, main (argc=2, argv=0xbffff684) at vx2ch.c:118 > 118 if (ioctl(audio_fd, SNDCTL_DSP_SETFMT, &format)==-1) A "FILE *" is not a file descriptor -- libc functions like fopen, fread, fprintf etc. work with FILE *s, and system calls like open, read and ioctl work with integer file descriptors. You can use the fileno function to get the file descriptor that the FILE * is using, so change "audio_fd" to "fileno(audio_fd)" in that ioctl call, and it should be a bit happier. The compiler should be complaining about you converting a pointer to an integer when you compile that ioctl call as it currently stands; it's always a good idea to use the -Wall compiler flag and pay careful attention to the warnings it produces. -- Adam Sampson From paul at linuxaudiosystems.com Mon Jan 8 15:49:08 2007 From: paul at linuxaudiosystems.com (Paul Davis) Date: Mon Jan 8 15:50:36 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Interesting Article In-Reply-To: <45A2A1B5.10702@block4.com> References: <200701081316.24268.smoak@mis.net> <45A2A1B5.10702@block4.com> Message-ID: <1168289348.2907.773.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Mon, 2007-01-08 at 20:55 +0100, Malte Steiner wrote: > Interesting differences of perception. The text says that audio on Linux > sucks while I must say I am rather happy with it. Jack is incredible and > I never could get such a low latency either on Windows nor OS9 nor OSX. given that I was the original author of JACK, i think i have license to say that audio on linux sucks, and i did. > Granted, some work need to be done and I would like to see more drivers > (which is a problem of the hardware manufacturers refusing to hand out > documentation) but overall I think Linux is a very good platform for audio. for pro-audio and music types, its actually getting very good. for regular consumers who just use desktop apps, its an incredible nightmare. --p From aaron at nquit.com Mon Jan 8 13:30:53 2007 From: aaron at nquit.com (Aaron Trumm) Date: Mon Jan 8 16:20:11 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] OT: Getting rid of entire studio References: <311b5a1a0701040354i6b69c1e6v18ffc580d4a8d9a4@mail.gmail.com><20070104131923.GA5435@charly.SWORD><311b5a1a0701050053k352e87d7ib04eb92fcfb50dd5@mail.gmail.com><1168035261.12011.20.camel@localhost.localdomain><20070108132043.b5d1c7c8.mle+la@mega-nerd.com> <2def88b80701080037h75f81f2dr30b914781bc63612@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <001d01c7336b$63587fd0$6f00a8c0@trummlaptop> bassists ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arnold Krille" To: "A list for linux audio users" Sent: Monday, January 08, 2007 12:37 AM Subject: Re: [linux-audio-user] OT: Getting rid of entire studio > 2007/1/8, Erik de Castro Lopo : > > Loki Davison wrote: > > > Other question... what the hell was the machete for in the studio? ;) > > Probably old-skool tape manipulation. > > Or: > > - Not paying customers. > - Lazy artists. > > Have a nice day, > > Arnold > > -- > visit http://www.arnoldarts.de/ > --- > Wenn man mit Raubkopien Bands wie Brosis oder Britney Spears wirklich > verhindern k?nnte, w?rde ich mir noch heute einen Stapel Brenner und > einen Sack Rohlinge kaufen. > From aaron at nquit.com Mon Jan 8 16:26:48 2007 From: aaron at nquit.com (Aaron Trumm) Date: Mon Jan 8 16:22:09 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] OT: Getting rid of entire studio References: <311b5a1a0701040354i6b69c1e6v18ffc580d4a8d9a4@mail.gmail.com><20070104131923.GA5435@charly.SWORD><311b5a1a0701050053k352e87d7ib04eb92fcfb50dd5@mail.gmail.com><1168035261.12011.20.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <002d01c7336b$b4f8f400$6f00a8c0@trummlaptop> hi loki! The mics are gone, as is the behringer mixer - I still have the mackie 1202 - I have to say it's a little dirty right now - various scratchy inputs and outputs - probably could use taking apart and cleaning which may or may not get it back to being great As I mentioned to the list - the machete is for bassists ;) What are you doing in southern china for a month?? -- Aaron ----- Original Message ----- From: "Loki Davison" To: "A list for linux audio users" Sent: Sunday, January 07, 2007 5:54 PM Subject: Re: [linux-audio-user] OT: Getting rid of entire studio > On 1/6/07, Aaron J. Trumm wrote: > > Hi all - sorry to anyone at Stanford who just saw this... > > > > I'm getting rid of pretty much my entire studio - I have a list - > > probably even too detailed a list - I thought I'd post it here - anybody > > that wants something, make me an offer (even if it's "I want that for > > free!" - I really just need it gone) > > > > Hurry though - I'm gone by the 20th! > > > > ps: the Event 20/20 monitors need work - I think they blew a transformer > > or something - should be a pretty easy fix for those in the know (I > > think) > > > > :) > > I'm keen on any of the mics or mixers if you can't sell them to anyone > else. Especially and mic for singing and guitar. ;) Not sure how much > it would cost to post to australia and i'm in southern china hiking > for the next month... but if you need to get rid of it cheap and i can > work out some way to get money to you it would be good. > > Other question... what the hell was the machete for in the studio? ;) > > Loki From mle+la at mega-nerd.com Mon Jan 8 16:42:41 2007 From: mle+la at mega-nerd.com (Erik de Castro Lopo) Date: Mon Jan 8 16:43:56 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Opening Stereo 8-bit 8-K Audio Streams In-Reply-To: <200701081938.l08JcrKB063291@dc.cis.okstate.edu> References: <200701081938.l08JcrKB063291@dc.cis.okstate.edu> Message-ID: <20070109084241.606ee962.mle+la@mega-nerd.com> Martin McCormick wrote: > Here is what blows up. The source has the following > includes: This code has some *serious* problems. I *highly* recommend that you compile with gcc -Wall -Werror ........ and fix all warning messages. Erik -- +-----------------------------------------------------------+ Erik de Castro Lopo +-----------------------------------------------------------+ Seen on comp.lang.python: Q : If someone has the code in python for a buffer overflow, please post it. A : Python does not support buffer overflows, sorry. From folderol at ukfsn.org Mon Jan 8 16:46:42 2007 From: folderol at ukfsn.org (Folderol) Date: Mon Jan 8 16:47:12 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] OT: Getting rid of entire studio In-Reply-To: <002d01c7336b$b4f8f400$6f00a8c0@trummlaptop> References: <311b5a1a0701040354i6b69c1e6v18ffc580d4a8d9a4@mail.gmail.com> <20070104131923.GA5435@charly.SWORD> <311b5a1a0701050053k352e87d7ib04eb92fcfb50dd5@mail.gmail.com> <1168035261.12011.20.camel@localhost.localdomain> <002d01c7336b$b4f8f400$6f00a8c0@trummlaptop> Message-ID: <20070108214642.3c39cae4@localhost> On Mon, 8 Jan 2007 13:26:48 -0800 "Aaron Trumm" wrote: > hi loki! > > The mics are gone, as is the behringer mixer - I still have the mackie > 1202 - I have to say it's a little dirty right now - various scratchy inputs > and outputs - probably could use taking apart and cleaning which may or may > not get it back to being great > > As I mentioned to the list - the machete is for bassists ;) > > What are you doing in southern china for a month?? > > -- Aaron He's probably a very scared bassist :) -- Will J G From alex at caoua.org Mon Jan 8 17:00:38 2007 From: alex at caoua.org (Alexandre Ratchov) Date: Mon Jan 8 17:01:03 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] midi interface In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20070108220038.GA28481@moule.localdomain> On Sun, Jan 07, 2007 at 07:02:35PM +0100, Julien Claassen wrote: > Hi! > If I have a midi-interface, one of those externals, to which you can connect > more than one device (synth, keyboard), how does this look to alsa? Does it > only see one dvice with a lot of channels or does it see more devices? I think > about getting one to use it with midish, which uses rawmidi devices and I > wonder if it will work. hello! if your MIDI interface has multiple MIDI ports but they don't appear in /dev you can use 'modprobe snd-virmidi' to create virtual MIDI devices (they will appear in /dev). Then you can use aconnect(1) to connect virtual devices to real devices. For instance i have an Edirol UM2 USB-MIDI interface (2 input ports and 2 output ports). According to 'aseqdump -l' devices appear to ALSA as ports 16:0 and 16:1. Virtual devices appear as ports 24:0 25:0 26:0 27:0. $ aseqdump -l Port Client name Port name 0:0 System Timer 0:1 System Announce 14:0 Midi Through Midi Through Port-0 16:0 UM-2 UM-2 MIDI 1 16:1 UM-2 UM-2 MIDI 2 20:0 MPU-401 MIDI 1-0 MPU-401 MIDI 1-0 24:0 Virtual Raw MIDI 2-0 VirMIDI 2-0 25:0 Virtual Raw MIDI 2-1 VirMIDI 2-1 26:0 Virtual Raw MIDI 2-2 VirMIDI 2-2 27:0 Virtual Raw MIDI 2-3 VirMIDI 2-3 $ ls -l /dev/snd/midi* crw-rw---- 1 root audio 116, 8 2007-01-08 21:56 /dev/snd/midiC0D0 crw-rw---- 1 root audio 116, 40 2007-01-08 21:56 /dev/snd/midiC1D0 crw-rw---- 1 root audio 116, 72 2007-01-08 22:06 /dev/snd/midiC2D0 crw-rw---- 1 root audio 116, 73 2007-01-08 22:06 /dev/snd/midiC2D1 crw-rw---- 1 root audio 116, 74 2007-01-08 22:06 /dev/snd/midiC2D2 crw-rw---- 1 root audio 116, 75 2007-01-08 22:06 /dev/snd/midiC2D3 Then, I connect (in both "in" and "out" directions) port 16:0 to port 24:0 and 16:1 to 25:0, so that both ports of my UM2 will be usable as /dev/snd/midiC2D0 and /dev/snd/midiC2D1 $ aconnect 16:0 24:0 $ aconnect 24:0 16:0 $ aconnect 16:1 25:0 $ aconnect 25:0 16:1 At this stage, midish is able to use /dev/snd/midiC2D0 and /dev/snd/midiC2D1. For instance the following will configure devices and start sending everything from device 1 (my keyboard) to device 0 (my sound module) $ rmidish send EOF character (control-D) to quit 1> devattach 0 "/dev/snd/midiC2D0" 2> devattach 1 "/dev/snd/midiC2D1" 3> filtnew myfilt 4> filtdevmap myfilt 1 0 5> songidle press control-C to finish cheers, -- Alexandre From sam at bristolwireless.net Mon Jan 8 18:01:53 2007 From: sam at bristolwireless.net (sam@bristolwireless.net) Date: Mon Jan 8 17:46:36 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Re: Re: SB450 any good? why does jack fail? In-Reply-To: <20070108182546.AFA205890892@music.columbia.edu> References: <20070108182546.AFA205890892@music.columbia.edu> Message-ID: <1168297313.45a2cd61c8942@www.slackmail.co.uk> Thanks to some help on IRC #lab i can now start jack in normal mode. when doing so i get these messages http://pastebin.com/854673 However when i try to start jack in realtime mode (priority 70) it fails to start and returns these errors;http://pastebin.com/854674 I have 64 studio installed so realtime should be OK, I have however run alsa in module-assistant in a effort to fix some sound issues that i was having (I was unable to get sound in firefox) so i wonder if this may have broken my realtime module? How am I able to get back the default sound setup from the 64studio CD? Thanks Sam my system spec; http://hp-nx6325.pbwiki.com/ ---------------------------------------------------------------- This message was sent via Slackmail, web mail from Psand.net. From zettberlin at linuxuse.de Mon Jan 8 19:01:38 2007 From: zettberlin at linuxuse.de (Hartmut Noack) Date: Mon Jan 8 19:18:22 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Interesting Article In-Reply-To: <1168289348.2907.773.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <200701081316.24268.smoak@mis.net> <45A2A1B5.10702@block4.com> <1168289348.2907.773.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <45A2DB62.7070908@linuxuse.de> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Paul Davis schrieb: > for pro-audio and music types, its actually getting very good. for > regular consumers who just use desktop apps, its an incredible > nightmare. The situation would be much better, if all those prefered audiodeamons like arts/esd etc. would have properly working jack-support that should be set up automatically. After some 4-5 years of discussing, what audioservers could be the best I doubt, that there will be a cleaner solution soon. What makes me doubt, that even this can be achieved very soon, is that there is regression as well as progress in that domain, canonical ignore the needs of jackd and ship an unsuable kernel for Ubuntu edgy eft though they had a working one with PREEMPT (DESKTOP) in dapper drake. As for me, I use jackd by default and multimedia-apps that support it properly (like alsaplayer) - if there would be jackd-support by default in debian-binaries for VLC I would not care much. regards z -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.3 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFFotti1Aecwva1SWMRAk64AJ944mYOxkleuoPOr7nkzRDudmm/DgCbBoj8 AH27UcuDRl1NNdB7sYt6nKU= =fZ+w -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From martin at dc.cis.okstate.edu Mon Jan 8 20:19:20 2007 From: martin at dc.cis.okstate.edu (Martin McCormick) Date: Mon Jan 8 20:32:08 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Opening Stereo 8-bit 8-K Audio Streams Message-ID: <200701090119.l091JKnv012670@dc.cis.okstate.edu> Adam Sampson writes: > A "FILE *" is not a file descriptor -- libc functions like fopen, > fread, fprintf etc. work with FILE *s, and system calls like open, > read and ioctl work with integer file descriptors. You can use the > fileno function to get the file descriptor that the FILE * is using, > so change "audio_fd" to "fileno(audio_fd)" in that ioctl call, and it > should be a bit happier. Thank you. I figured I was doing something dumb like that and yes, I believe I have seen warnings pertaining to what you are saying, here, so it makes lots of sense. > > The compiler should be complaining about you converting a pointer to > an integer when you compile that ioctl call as it currently stands; > it's always a good idea to use the -Wall compiler flag and pay careful > attention to the warnings it produces. Again, thanks. From loki.davison at gmail.com Mon Jan 8 22:46:31 2007 From: loki.davison at gmail.com (Loki Davison) Date: Mon Jan 8 22:48:45 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] OT: Getting rid of entire studio In-Reply-To: <002d01c7336b$b4f8f400$6f00a8c0@trummlaptop> References: <311b5a1a0701040354i6b69c1e6v18ffc580d4a8d9a4@mail.gmail.com> <20070104131923.GA5435@charly.SWORD> <311b5a1a0701050053k352e87d7ib04eb92fcfb50dd5@mail.gmail.com> <1168035261.12011.20.camel@localhost.localdomain> <002d01c7336b$b4f8f400$6f00a8c0@trummlaptop> Message-ID: On 1/9/07, Aaron Trumm wrote: > hi loki! > > The mics are gone, as is the behringer mixer - I still have the mackie > 1202 - I have to say it's a little dirty right now - various scratchy inputs > and outputs - probably could use taking apart and cleaning which may or may > not get it back to being great > > As I mentioned to the list - the machete is for bassists ;) > > What are you doing in southern china for a month?? > > -- Aaron > Hopefully hiking in the mountains near the tibetan border. i only got here yesterday from spending a month in Laos. I'm a little worried replying seing as although i play acoustic guitar and percussion i'm quite often a bassist! ;) i'd like the mackie if it's worthwhile posting it all the way to australia and no one else wants it. I want to get some stuff together for recording some acoustic tracks. Give me a yell how much you want for it but i'm not sure when i can get the money to you, depends on when i can find net access that isn't too dodgy to transfer money to us... maybe western union or one of those things. Loki From loki.davison at gmail.com Mon Jan 8 22:48:11 2007 From: loki.davison at gmail.com (Loki Davison) Date: Mon Jan 8 22:49:00 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] OT: Getting rid of entire studio In-Reply-To: <20070108214642.3c39cae4@localhost> References: <311b5a1a0701040354i6b69c1e6v18ffc580d4a8d9a4@mail.gmail.com> <20070104131923.GA5435@charly.SWORD> <311b5a1a0701050053k352e87d7ib04eb92fcfb50dd5@mail.gmail.com> <1168035261.12011.20.camel@localhost.localdomain> <002d01c7336b$b4f8f400$6f00a8c0@trummlaptop> <20070108214642.3c39cae4@localhost> Message-ID: On 1/9/07, Folderol wrote: > On Mon, 8 Jan 2007 13:26:48 -0800 > "Aaron Trumm" wrote: > > > hi loki! > > > > The mics are gone, as is the behringer mixer - I still have the mackie > > 1202 - I have to say it's a little dirty right now - various scratchy > inputs > > and outputs - probably could use taking apart and cleaning which may or > may > > not get it back to being great > > > > As I mentioned to the list - the machete is for bassists ;) > > > > What are you doing in southern china for a month?? > > > > -- Aaron > > He's probably a very scared bassist :) > > -- > Will J G > true... very true. SCARED! I don't even have my lovely solid neck through mahogany bass to beat him off with here in china with me.... no forward planning... Loki From aaron at nquit.com Mon Jan 8 23:34:23 2007 From: aaron at nquit.com (Aaron Trumm) Date: Mon Jan 8 23:29:48 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] OT: Getting rid of entire studio References: <311b5a1a0701040354i6b69c1e6v18ffc580d4a8d9a4@mail.gmail.com><20070104131923.GA5435@charly.SWORD><311b5a1a0701050053k352e87d7ib04eb92fcfb50dd5@mail.gmail.com><1168035261.12011.20.camel@localhost.localdomain><002d01c7336b$b4f8f400$6f00a8c0@trummlaptop><20070108214642.3c39cae4@localhost> Message-ID: <02ca01c733a7$70d1a150$6f00a8c0@trummlaptop> well you can BUY the machete and then I won't have it anymore ;) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Loki Davison" To: "A list for linux audio users" Sent: Monday, January 08, 2007 7:48 PM Subject: Re: [linux-audio-user] OT: Getting rid of entire studio > On 1/9/07, Folderol wrote: > > On Mon, 8 Jan 2007 13:26:48 -0800 > > "Aaron Trumm" wrote: > > > > > hi loki! > > > > > > The mics are gone, as is the behringer mixer - I still have the mackie > > > 1202 - I have to say it's a little dirty right now - various scratchy > > inputs > > > and outputs - probably could use taking apart and cleaning which may or > > may > > > not get it back to being great > > > > > > As I mentioned to the list - the machete is for bassists ;) > > > > > > What are you doing in southern china for a month?? > > > > > > -- Aaron > > > > He's probably a very scared bassist :) > > > > -- > > Will J G > > > > true... very true. SCARED! I don't even have my lovely solid neck > through mahogany bass to beat him off with here in china with me.... > no forward planning... > > Loki From jamesmstone at gmail.com Tue Jan 9 04:24:20 2007 From: jamesmstone at gmail.com (James Stone) Date: Tue Jan 9 04:25:02 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] jack/bristol lockups.. Message-ID: <20070109092420.GA5483@moon.base> I was trying out Bristol, and I can't work out how to stop it sanely.. I tried ctrl-c when playing explorer thru jack and the whole machine locked up.. any ideas? James From Thierry.Coduys at la-kitchen.fr Tue Jan 9 04:39:28 2007 From: Thierry.Coduys at la-kitchen.fr (Thierry Coduys) Date: Tue Jan 9 04:42:16 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] =?iso-8859-1?q?IanniX_0=2E638=DF?= Message-ID: <95896466-747B-4EB3-8048-A9E14D3EE65A@la-kitchen.fr> Hello, We are proud to announce the release of IanniX-0.638 beta, available on sourceforge.net for Mac OS X, GNU/Linux and Windows. You can download it for free at the following addresses: Mac OS X UB http://downloads.sourceforge.net/iannix/IanniX-0.638b-OSX.tgz? modtime=1168266460&big_mirror=0 GNU/Linux http://downloads.sourceforge.net/iannix/IanniX-0.638b-Linux.tgz? modtime=1168266385&big_mirror=0 Win XP http://downloads.sourceforge.net/iannix/IanniX-0.638b-Windows.zip? modtime=1168266577&big_mirror=0 Sources http://downloads.sourceforge.net/iannix/IanniX-0.638b-SRC- LittleEndian.tgz?modtime=1168266541&big_mirror=0 http://downloads.sourceforge.net/iannix/IanniX-0.638b-SRC- BigEndian.tgz?modtime=1168266511&big_mirror=0 Examples http://downloads.sourceforge.net/iannix/IanniX-Processing- Examples-1.2.tgz?modtime=1165849293&big_mirror=0 Tutorial http://downloads.sourceforge.net/iannix/IanniX-Tutorial.pdf? modtime=1164368952&big_mirror=0 Any feedback, comment, bug report, etc, would be greatly appreciated and can be posted to the following mailing-list: https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/iannix-discussion Sorry for the cross-posting Enjoy, The IanniX Team. From zettberlin at linuxuse.de Tue Jan 9 05:40:22 2007 From: zettberlin at linuxuse.de (Hartmut Noack) Date: Tue Jan 9 05:47:54 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] IanniX =?UTF-8?B?MC42MzjDnw==?= In-Reply-To: <95896466-747B-4EB3-8048-A9E14D3EE65A@la-kitchen.fr> References: <95896466-747B-4EB3-8048-A9E14D3EE65A@la-kitchen.fr> Message-ID: <45A37116.80002@linuxuse.de> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Thierry Coduys schrieb: > Hello, > > We are proud to announce the release of IanniX-0.638 beta, available on > sourceforge.net for Mac OS X, GNU/Linux and Windows. > You can download it for free at the following addresses: > > Enjoy, > > The IanniX Team. > > Very nice, ladies but what is it? a player? a synth? a screensaver? -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.3 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFFo3EW1Aecwva1SWMRAqDlAJ9/p6ymVgvOI/2QZOrUaegyqCyykQCfQyCE 2VM8D8oSt6drnYFyN3UQ5hI= =mScL -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From Thierry.Coduys at la-kitchen.fr Tue Jan 9 06:33:45 2007 From: Thierry.Coduys at la-kitchen.fr (Thierry Coduys) Date: Tue Jan 9 06:34:00 2007 Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Re:_[linux-audio-user]_IanniX_0.638=DF?= In-Reply-To: <45A37116.80002@linuxuse.de> References: <95896466-747B-4EB3-8048-A9E14D3EE65A@la-kitchen.fr> <45A37116.80002@linuxuse.de> Message-ID: Le 9 janv. 07 ? 11:40, Hartmut Noack a ?crit : Hello, > Very nice, ladies but what is it? > a player? a synth? a screensaver? IanniX is a graphical score editor based on the previous UPIC developed by Iannis Xenakis during the 70's. It is written in C++ and Qt (Trolltech) and needs that openGL or equivalent libraries (Mesa, for example) be installed on your computer to work properly. It allows the user to draw, edit and manipulate forms and objets within a multi temporal space (ie, multiple timelines) which, when read, sends out OSC packets that you can get with any software understanding OSC, like pd, Max/MSP, SuperCollider, Csound, OpenMusic, Usine, Processing and others, to name just a few. It also works as an OSC client, so you can write and modify your IanniX score from another software or another computer. The IanniX Team From bengan at kthnoc.net Tue Jan 9 06:33:27 2007 From: bengan at kthnoc.net (Bengt =?utf-8?q?G=C3=B6rd=C3=A9n?=) Date: Tue Jan 9 06:34:47 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] IanniX =?utf-8?q?0=2E638=C3=9F?= In-Reply-To: <45A37116.80002@linuxuse.de> References: <95896466-747B-4EB3-8048-A9E14D3EE65A@la-kitchen.fr> <45A37116.80002@linuxuse.de> Message-ID: <200701091233.28365.bengan@kthnoc.net> tisdag 09 januari 2007 11:40 skrev Hartmut Noack: > Thierry Coduys schrieb: > > Hello, > > > > We are proud to announce the release of IanniX-0.638 beta, available on > > sourceforge.net for Mac OS X, GNU/Linux and Windows. > > You can download it for free at the following addresses: > > > > > > Enjoy, > > > > The IanniX Team. > > Very nice, ladies but what is it? > a player? a synth? a screensaver? It seems to be a graphical score editor. From the pdf: "IanniX?is?a?graphical?score?editor?based?on?the?previous?UPIC?developed?by?Iannis?Xenakis? during?the?70's.?It?is?written?in?C++?and?Qt?(Trolltech)?and?needs?that?openGL?or?equivalent? libraries?(Mesa,?for?example)?be?installed?on?your?computer?to?work?properly." -- - Bengan ------------------------------------------------------------ - KTHNOC - No1 Internet Offspring | http://www.noc.kth.se/~bengan --- - 08-7906586 (ej vidarekopplat), 070-6443325 ------------------------ From dsbaikov at gmail.com Tue Jan 9 06:43:18 2007 From: dsbaikov at gmail.com (Dmitry Baikov) Date: Tue Jan 9 06:43:26 2007 Subject: =?UTF-8?Q?Re:_[linux-audio-user]_IanniX_0.638=C3=9F?= In-Reply-To: References: <95896466-747B-4EB3-8048-A9E14D3EE65A@la-kitchen.fr> <45A37116.80002@linuxuse.de> Message-ID: <70a871c80701090343g29cf1851g41f97f9dd07254ad@mail.gmail.com> On 1/9/07, Thierry Coduys wrote: > IanniX is a graphical score editor based on the previous UPIC > developed by Iannis Xenakis during the 70's. OMG, Iannis Xenakis!!! Seems like something I should definetely look at!!! Thank you for the announcement! I would never know there's such a thing without your letter. Regards, Dmitry. From cesare at poeticstudios.com Tue Jan 9 07:52:12 2007 From: cesare at poeticstudios.com (Cesare Marilungo) Date: Tue Jan 9 07:00:11 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] IanniX =?UTF-8?B?MC42MzjDnw==?= In-Reply-To: <70a871c80701090343g29cf1851g41f97f9dd07254ad@mail.gmail.com> References: <95896466-747B-4EB3-8048-A9E14D3EE65A@la-kitchen.fr> <45A37116.80002@linuxuse.de> <70a871c80701090343g29cf1851g41f97f9dd07254ad@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <45A38FFC.6030704@poeticstudios.com> Dmitry Baikov wrote: > On 1/9/07, Thierry Coduys wrote: >> IanniX is a graphical score editor based on the previous UPIC >> developed by Iannis Xenakis during the 70's. > OMG, Iannis Xenakis!!! > > Seems like something I should definetely look at!!! > > > Thank you for the announcement! > I would never know there's such a thing without your letter. > > Regards, > Dmitry. > > Yeah. I was just looking for something inspired by the UPIC. I also started coding something by myself. I'll try this immediately. c. -- http://www.cesaremarilungo.com From nickycopeland at hotmail.com Tue Jan 9 07:10:53 2007 From: nickycopeland at hotmail.com (Nick Copeland) Date: Tue Jan 9 07:29:13 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] jack/bristol lockups.. In-Reply-To: <20070109092420.GA5483@moon.base> Message-ID: Hm, this should not lock the system although with RT permissions then a tight loop might have this effect and would be deemed a bug. Have you tried just closing the window from the 'X' button in the titlebar? Regards, Nick. >From: James Stone >Reply-To: A list for linux audio users > >To: linux-audio-user@music.columbia.edu >Subject: [linux-audio-user] jack/bristol lockups.. >Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2007 09:24:20 +0000 > >I was trying out Bristol, and I can't work out how to stop it >sanely.. I tried ctrl-c when playing explorer thru jack and the >whole machine locked up.. any ideas? > >James _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ From jayv at synth.net Tue Jan 9 07:41:56 2007 From: jayv at synth.net (Jay Vaughan) Date: Tue Jan 9 07:46:01 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Interesting Article In-Reply-To: <1168289348.2907.773.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <200701081316.24268.smoak@mis.net> <45A2A1B5.10702@block4.com> <1168289348.2907.773.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: >for pro-audio and music types, its actually getting very good. for >regular consumers who just use desktop apps, its an incredible >nightmare. Unless they pitch in under the Ubuntu tent, which I have found to be perfectly usable, and at least comparable with Windows for setup, using standard hardware (I'm on a Dell laptop, and it Just Plain Works for all my Audio needs ..) -- ; Jay Vaughan From dlphillips at woh.rr.com Tue Jan 9 08:05:54 2007 From: dlphillips at woh.rr.com (Dave Phillips) Date: Tue Jan 9 07:54:05 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] IanniX =?ISO-8859-1?Q?0=2E638=DF?= In-Reply-To: <95896466-747B-4EB3-8048-A9E14D3EE65A@la-kitchen.fr> References: <95896466-747B-4EB3-8048-A9E14D3EE65A@la-kitchen.fr> Message-ID: <45A39332.4040105@woh.rr.com> Thierry Coduys wrote: > We are proud to announce the release of IanniX-0.638 beta, available > on sourceforge.net for Mac OS X, GNU/Linux and Windows. Nice to see an announcement re: IanniX. I've tried using it a few times recently, starting with version 0.635, but I haven't had time to really get into it. The examples will be most useful, I'm sure. Btw, I compiled it this morning on x86_64 hardware, with one compile error. In src/network/OSCin/osc/OscReceiveElements.cpp I changed to in lines 45, 60, and 61. The build proceeded without incident and the resulting binary worked as advertised. :) I always wanted to see something like UPIC for Linux. Thank you for this software, now I look forward to figuring out how it works. :) Best, dp From nscheer at gmail.com Mon Jan 8 17:41:56 2007 From: nscheer at gmail.com (Nick Scheer) Date: Tue Jan 9 08:14:57 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Music: A little lullaby Message-ID: ...for when my little ones need a little extra help falling asleep... :-) http://nscheer.googlepages.com/twinkletwinkle.mp3 Mostly just direct recorded using Ardour 2 beta 10. Drums done with Hydrogen, and some tweaks with Jamin. Enjoy! (if you can). --Nick -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://music.columbia.edu/pipermail/linux-audio-user/attachments/20070108/85e8569f/attachment-0001.html From nando at ccrma.Stanford.EDU Mon Jan 8 19:57:08 2007 From: nando at ccrma.Stanford.EDU (Fernando Lopez-Lezcano) Date: Tue Jan 9 08:15:04 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] working rt kernel and config examples? In-Reply-To: <20070108021618.GA2447@seraf.here.net> References: <20070108021618.GA2447@seraf.here.net> Message-ID: <1168304228.9894.67.camel@cmn3.stanford.edu> On Sun, 2007-01-07 at 21:16 -0500, paul wisehart wrote: > Hi, > > I'm having trouble getting the latest -rt kernel to boot. > It builds OK, but it hangs on boot-up. > > I'm thinking that a more minimal config could weed out > whatver functionality is choking the boot process for > the -rt enebled kernel. > > So, can anybody recommend a working > config/kernel-version/rt-patch-version combo? > > I'm feeling lazy, and I'd rather start with something that someone else > has working, rather than keep re-compiling different configs and > kernels. > > I have a pentium-M based Dell Latitude600 running slackware-11. > > I had a working -rt kernel in the past, but I've reloaded > this machine a few times since then, and don't have the > particulars. > > Or, if any of you use CCRMA's -rt kernel, can you tell me how > to get the config from it w/o downloading the whole distro? > (and, which version it is) The latest version I have been testing is based directly on Ingo Molnar's source packages for Fedora. (http://people.redhat.com/~mingo/realtime-preempt/yum/SRPMS/) His latest version, which seems to be stable in my limited testing (not yet released on Planet CCRMA) is kernel-rt-2.6.20-rc3.1.rt0.0066.src.rpm - based on 2.6.20-rc3. I'm attaching his .config file for i686 for your reference. -- Fernando -------------- next part -------------- # i386 # # Automatically generated make config: don't edit # CONFIG_MMU=y CONFIG_SMP=y CONFIG_HOTPLUG_CPU=y CONFIG_LOCALVERSION="" # CONFIG_CRASH_DUMP is not set # # Code maturity level options # CONFIG_EXPERIMENTAL=y CONFIG_STANDALONE=y CONFIG_PREVENT_FIRMWARE_BUILD=y # # General setup # # CONFIG_LOCALVERSION_AUTO is not set CONFIG_SWAP=y CONFIG_SYSVIPC=y CONFIG_BSD_PROCESS_ACCT=y # CONFIG_BSD_PROCESS_ACCT_V3 is not set CONFIG_TASKSTATS=y CONFIG_TASK_DELAY_ACCT=y CONFIG_SYSCTL=y CONFIG_LOG_BUF_SHIFT=17 # CONFIG_IKCONFIG is not set # CONFIG_EMBEDDED is not set CONFIG_KALLSYMS=y CONFIG_KALLSYMS_ALL=y CONFIG_KALLSYMS_EXTRA_PASS=y CONFIG_FUTEX=y CONFIG_EPOLL=y CONFIG_IOSCHED_NOOP=y CONFIG_IOSCHED_AS=y CONFIG_IOSCHED_DEADLINE=y CONFIG_IOSCHED_CFQ=y CONFIG_DEFAULT_CFQ=y CONFIG_POSIX_MQUEUE=y # CONFIG_PREEMPT_NONE is not set # CONFIG_PREEMPT_VOLUNTARY is not set # CONFIG_PREEMPT is not set CONFIG_PREEMPT_RT=y # # Loadable module support # CONFIG_MODULES=y CONFIG_MODULE_UNLOAD=y # CONFIG_MODULE_FORCE_UNLOAD is not set CONFIG_MODVERSIONS=y CONFIG_MODULE_SRCVERSION_ALL=y CONFIG_KMOD=y CONFIG_MODULE_SIG=y # CONFIG_MODULE_SIG_FORCE is not set # # Bus options (PCI, PCMCIA, EISA, MCA, ISA) # CONFIG_PCI=y # CONFIG_PCI_DEBUG is not set CONFIG_PCI_MSI=y CONFIG_PCIEPORTBUS=y # FIXME: Was borked in .17git11 for non-acpi machines. CONFIG_HOTPLUG_PCI_PCIE=m CONFIG_HOTPLUG_PCI_FAKE=m # CONFIG_HOTPLUG_PCI_PCIE_POLL_EVENT_MODE is not set CONFIG_ISA=y # CONFIG_EISA is not set # CONFIG_MCA is not set # CONFIG_SCx200 is not set CONFIG_HOTPLUG=y # CONFIG_DEBUG_KOBJECT is not set # # PCMCIA/CardBus support # CONFIG_PCMCIA=y CONFIG_PCMCIA_LOAD_CIS=y # CONFIG_PCMCIA_DEBUG is not set CONFIG_YENTA=y CONFIG_CARDBUS=y CONFIG_I82092=m CONFIG_PD6729=m CONFIG_PCMCIA_IOCTL=y CONFIG_PCCARD=y CONFIG_MMC=m # CONFIG_MMC_DEBUG is not set CONFIG_MMC_BLOCK=y CONFIG_MMC_WBSD=y CONFIG_MMC_SDHCI=m CONFIG_INFINIBAND=m CONFIG_INFINIBAND_MTHCA=m # CONFIG_INFINIBAND_MTHCA_DEBUG is not set CONFIG_INFINIBAND_IPOIB=m CONFIG_INFINIBAND_IPOIB_DEBUG=y CONFIG_INFINIBAND_IPOIB_DEBUG_DATA=y CONFIG_INFINIBAND_SDP=m CONFIG_INFINIBAND_SDP_DEBUG=y CONFIG_INFINIBAND_SDP_DEBUG_DATA=y CONFIG_INFINIBAND_SRP=m CONFIG_INFINIBAND_USER_MAD=m CONFIG_INFINIBAND_USER_ACCESS=m CONFIG_IPATH_CORE=m CONFIG_INFINIBAND_IPATH=m CONFIG_INFINIBAND_ISER=m # # Executable file formats # CONFIG_BINFMT_ELF=y # CONFIG_BINFMT_AOUT is not set CONFIG_BINFMT_MISC=y # # Device Drivers # # # Generic Driver Options # CONFIG_FW_LOADER=y # CONFIG_SPI is not set # # Memory Technology Devices (MTD) # CONFIG_MTD=m # CONFIG_MTD_DEBUG is not set CONFIG_MTD_PARTITIONS=y CONFIG_MTD_CONCAT=m CONFIG_MTD_CMDLINE_PARTS=y # # User Modules And Translation Layers # CONFIG_MTD_CHAR=m CONFIG_MTD_BLOCK=m CONFIG_MTD_BLOCK_RO=m CONFIG_MTD_BLOCK2MTD=m CONFIG_FTL=m CONFIG_NFTL=m CONFIG_NFTL_RW=y CONFIG_INFTL=m CONFIG_RFD_FTL=m # # RAM/ROM/Flash chip drivers # CONFIG_MTD_CFI=m CONFIG_MTD_JEDECPROBE=m CONFIG_MTD_GEN_PROBE=m # CONFIG_MTD_CFI_ADV_OPTIONS is not set CONFIG_MTD_CFI_INTELEXT=m CONFIG_MTD_CFI_AMDSTD=m CONFIG_MTD_CFI_STAA=m CONFIG_MTD_RAM=m CONFIG_MTD_ROM=m CONFIG_MTD_ABSENT=m # CONFIG_MTD_OBSOLETE_CHIPS is not set # # Mapping drivers for chip access # CONFIG_MTD_COMPLEX_MAPPINGS=y # CONFIG_MTD_PHYSMAP is not set # CONFIG_MTD_PNC2000 is not set CONFIG_MTD_SC520CDP=m CONFIG_MTD_NETSC520=m # CONFIG_MTD_SBC_GXX is not set # CONFIG_MTD_SCx200_DOCFLASH is not set # CONFIG_MTD_AMD76XROM is not set CONFIG_MTD_SCB2_FLASH=m # CONFIG_MTD_NETtel is not set # CONFIG_MTD_DILNETPC is not set # CONFIG_MTD_L440GX is not set CONFIG_MTD_PCI=m CONFIG_MTD_TS5500=m # # Self-contained MTD device drivers # CONFIG_MTD_PMC551=m # CONFIG_MTD_PMC551_BUGFIX is not set # CONFIG_MTD_PMC551_DEBUG is not set # CONFIG_MTD_SLRAM is not set CONFIG_MTD_MTDRAM=m CONFIG_MTDRAM_TOTAL_SIZE=4096 CONFIG_MTDRAM_ERASE_SIZE=128 # # Disk-On-Chip Device Drivers # # CONFIG_MTD_DOC2000 is not set # CONFIG_MTD_DOC2001 is not set # CONFIG_MTD_DOC2001PLUS is not set # CONFIG_MTD_DOCPROBE is not set # CONFIG_MTD_DOCPROBE_ADVANCED is not set # CONFIG_MTD_DOCPROBE_ADDRESS is not set # # NAND Flash Device Drivers # CONFIG_MTD_NAND=m # CONFIG_MTD_NAND_VERIFY_WRITE is not set CONFIG_MTD_NAND_IDS=m CONFIG_MTD_NAND_NANDSIM=m # CONFIG_MTD_ONENAND is not set CONFIG_MTD_NAND_ECC_SMC=y CONFIG_MTD_NAND_CS553X=m CONFIG_MTD_REDBOOT_PARTS=m # CONFIG_MTD_REDBOOT_PARTS_UNALLOCATED is not set # CONFIG_MTD_REDBOOT_PARTS_READONLY is not set CONFIG_MTD_REDBOOT_DIRECTORY_BLOCK=-1 # CONFIG_MTD_XIP is not set # CONFIG_MTD_ICHXROM is not set # CONFIG_MTD_PHRAM is not set CONFIG_MTD_NAND_DISKONCHIP=m # CONFIG_MTD_NAND_DISKONCHIP_PROBE_ADVANCED is not set CONFIG_MTD_NAND_DISKONCHIP_PROBE_ADDRESS=0 # CONFIG_MTD_NAND_DISKONCHIP_BBTWRITE is not set # CONFIG_MTD_PLATRAM is not set # # Parallel port support # CONFIG_PARPORT=m CONFIG_PARPORT_PC=m CONFIG_PARPORT_SERIAL=m # CONFIG_PARPORT_PC_FIFO is not set # CONFIG_PARPORT_PC_SUPERIO is not set CONFIG_PARPORT_PC_PCMCIA=m CONFIG_PARPORT_1284=y # CONFIG_PARPORT_AX88796 is not set # # Plug and Play support # CONFIG_PNP=y # CONFIG_PNP_DEBUG is not set # # Protocols # CONFIG_ISAPNP=y # CONFIG_PNPBIOS is not set CONFIG_HOTPLUG_PCI_ACPI=m CONFIG_HOTPLUG_PCI_ACPI_IBM=m # # Block devices # CONFIG_BLK_DEV_FD=m # CONFIG_BLK_DEV_XD is not set CONFIG_PARIDE=m CONFIG_PARIDE_PD=m CONFIG_PARIDE_PCD=m CONFIG_PARIDE_PF=m CONFIG_PARIDE_PT=m CONFIG_PARIDE_PG=m CONFIG_PARIDE_ATEN=m CONFIG_PARIDE_BPCK=m CONFIG_PARIDE_BPCK6=m CONFIG_PARIDE_COMM=m CONFIG_PARIDE_DSTR=m CONFIG_PARIDE_FIT2=m CONFIG_PARIDE_FIT3=m CONFIG_PARIDE_EPAT=m CONFIG_PARIDE_EPATC8=y CONFIG_PARIDE_EPIA=m CONFIG_PARIDE_FRIQ=m CONFIG_PARIDE_FRPW=m CONFIG_PARIDE_KBIC=m CONFIG_PARIDE_KTTI=m CONFIG_PARIDE_ON20=m CONFIG_PARIDE_ON26=m CONFIG_BLK_CPQ_DA=m CONFIG_BLK_CPQ_CISS_DA=m CONFIG_CISS_SCSI_TAPE=y CONFIG_BLK_DEV_DAC960=m CONFIG_BLK_DEV_UMEM=m CONFIG_BLK_DEV_LOOP=m CONFIG_BLK_DEV_CRYPTOLOOP=m CONFIG_BLK_DEV_NBD=m CONFIG_BLK_DEV_RAM=y CONFIG_BLK_DEV_RAM_COUNT=16 CONFIG_BLK_DEV_RAM_SIZE=16384 CONFIG_BLK_DEV_RAM_BLOCKSIZE=4096 CONFIG_BLK_DEV_INITRD=y CONFIG_BLK_DEV_ATIIXP=y CONFIG_LBD=y CONFIG_BLK_DEV_IO_TRACE=y CONFIG_LSF=y # # ATA/ATAPI/MFM/RLL support # CONFIG_IDE=y CONFIG_IDE_GENERIC=y # CONFIG_HPT34X_AUTODMA is not set CONFIG_BLK_DEV_IDE=y # # Please see Documentation/ide.txt for help/info on IDE drives # # CONFIG_BLK_DEV_HD_IDE is not set CONFIG_BLK_DEV_IDEDISK=y CONFIG_IDEDISK_MULTI_MODE=y CONFIG_BLK_DEV_IDECS=m CONFIG_BLK_DEV_IDECD=m # CONFIG_BLK_DEV_IDETAPE is not set CONFIG_BLK_DEV_IDEFLOPPY=y CONFIG_BLK_DEV_IDESCSI=y CONFIG_IDE_TASK_IOCTL=y # CONFIG_BLK_DEV_IDE_SATA is not set # # IDE chipset support/bugfixes # CONFIG_BLK_DEV_CMD640=y CONFIG_BLK_DEV_CMD640_ENHANCED=y CONFIG_BLK_DEV_IDEPNP=y CONFIG_BLK_DEV_IDEPCI=y CONFIG_IDEPCI_SHARE_IRQ=y # CONFIG_BLK_DEV_OFFBOARD is not set CONFIG_BLK_DEV_GENERIC=y # CONFIG_BLK_DEV_OPTI621 is not set CONFIG_BLK_DEV_RZ1000=y CONFIG_BLK_DEV_IDEDMA_PCI=y # CONFIG_BLK_DEV_IDEDMA_FORCED is not set CONFIG_IDEDMA_PCI_AUTO=y # CONFIG_IDEDMA_ONLYDISK is not set CONFIG_BLK_DEV_AEC62XX=y CONFIG_BLK_DEV_ALI15X3=y # CONFIG_WDC_ALI15X3 is not set CONFIG_BLK_DEV_AMD74XX=y CONFIG_BLK_DEV_CMD64X=y CONFIG_BLK_DEV_TRIFLEX=y # CONFIG_BLK_DEV_CY82C693 is not set CONFIG_BLK_DEV_CS5520=y CONFIG_BLK_DEV_CS5530=y CONFIG_BLK_DEV_CS5535=y CONFIG_BLK_DEV_HPT34X=y CONFIG_BLK_DEV_HPT366=y CONFIG_BLK_DEV_IT821X=y # CONFIG_BLK_DEV_SC1200 is not set CONFIG_BLK_DEV_PIIX=y # CONFIG_BLK_DEV_NS87415 is not set CONFIG_BLK_DEV_PDC202XX_OLD=y # CONFIG_PDC202XX_BURST is not set CONFIG_BLK_DEV_PDC202XX_NEW=y CONFIG_BLK_DEV_SVWKS=y CONFIG_BLK_DEV_SIIMAGE=y CONFIG_BLK_DEV_SIS5513=y # CONFIG_BLK_DEV_SLC90E66 is not set # CONFIG_BLK_DEV_TRM290 is not set CONFIG_BLK_DEV_VIA82CXXX=y # CONFIG_IDE_CHIPSETS is not set CONFIG_BLK_DEV_IDEDMA=y # CONFIG_IDEDMA_IVB is not set CONFIG_IDEDMA_AUTO=y # CONFIG_BLK_DEV_HD is not set # # SCSI device support # CONFIG_SCSI=m CONFIG_SCSI_PROC_FS=y # # SCSI support type (disk, tape, CD-ROM) # CONFIG_BLK_DEV_SD=m CONFIG_CHR_DEV_ST=m CONFIG_CHR_DEV_OSST=m CONFIG_BLK_DEV_SR=m CONFIG_BLK_DEV_SR_VENDOR=y CONFIG_CHR_DEV_SG=m CONFIG_CHR_DEV_SCH=m # # Some SCSI devices (e.g. CD jukebox) support multiple LUNs # CONFIG_SCSI_MULTI_LUN=y CONFIG_SCSI_CONSTANTS=y CONFIG_SCSI_LOGGING=y CONFIG_SCSI_SPI_ATTRS=m CONFIG_SCSI_FC_ATTRS=m CONFIG_SCSI_ISCSI_ATTRS=m CONFIG_SCSI_SAS_ATTRS=m CONFIG_SCSI_SAS_LIBSAS=m # CONFIG_SCSI_SAS_LIBSAS_DEBUG is not set CONFIG_RAID_ATTRS=m CONFIG_ISCSI_TCP=m # # SCSI low-level drivers # CONFIG_BLK_DEV_3W_XXXX_RAID=m CONFIG_SCSI_3W_9XXX=m # CONFIG_SCSI_7000FASST is not set CONFIG_SCSI_ACARD=m CONFIG_SCSI_AACRAID=m CONFIG_SCSI_AIC7XXX=m CONFIG_SCSI_AIC94XX=m # CONFIG_AIC94XX_DEBUG is not set CONFIG_AIC7XXX_CMDS_PER_DEVICE=4 CONFIG_AIC7XXX_RESET_DELAY_MS=15000 # CONFIG_AIC7XXX_PROBE_EISA_VL is not set # CONFIG_AIC7XXX_BUILD_FIRMWARE is not set # CONFIG_AIC7XXX_DEBUG_ENABLE is not set CONFIG_AIC7XXX_DEBUG_MASK=0 # CONFIG_AIC7XXX_REG_PRETTY_PRINT is not set CONFIG_SCSI_AIC7XXX_OLD=m CONFIG_SCSI_AIC79XX=m CONFIG_AIC79XX_CMDS_PER_DEVICE=4 CONFIG_AIC79XX_RESET_DELAY_MS=15000 # CONFIG_AIC79XX_BUILD_FIRMWARE is not set # CONFIG_AIC79XX_ENABLE_RD_STRM is not set # CONFIG_AIC79XX_DEBUG_ENABLE is not set CONFIG_AIC79XX_DEBUG_MASK=0 # CONFIG_AIC79XX_REG_PRETTY_PRINT is not set CONFIG_SCSI_ADVANSYS=m CONFIG_MEGARAID_NEWGEN=y CONFIG_MEGARAID_MM=m CONFIG_MEGARAID_MAILBOX=m CONFIG_MEGARAID_LEGACY=m CONFIG_MEGARAID_SAS=m CONFIG_SCSI_SATA=y CONFIG_SCSI_SATA_SVW=m CONFIG_SCSI_ATA_PIIX=m CONFIG_SCSI_SATA_PROMISE=m CONFIG_SCSI_SATA_VIA=m CONFIG_BLK_DEV_SX8=m CONFIG_SCSI_SATA_VITESSE=m CONFIG_SCSI_SATA_SIL=m CONFIG_SCSI_SATA_SIS=m CONFIG_SCSI_SATA_SX4=m CONFIG_SCSI_SATA_NV=m CONFIG_SCSI_SATA_AHCI=m CONFIG_SCSI_SATA_ULI=m CONFIG_SCSI_SATA_QSTOR=m CONFIG_SCSI_SATA_MV=m CONFIG_SCSI_SATA_SIL24=m CONFIG_SCSI_PDC_ADMA=m CONFIG_SCSI_HPTIOP=m CONFIG_SCSI_BUSLOGIC=m CONFIG_SCSI_INITIO=m # CONFIG_SCSI_OMIT_FLASHPOINT is not set # CONFIG_SCSI_DMX3191D is not set # CONFIG_SCSI_EATA is not set # CONFIG_SCSI_EATA_PIO is not set CONFIG_SCSI_FUTURE_DOMAIN=m CONFIG_SCSI_GDTH=m CONFIG_SCSI_IPS=m CONFIG_SCSI_INIA100=m CONFIG_SCSI_PPA=m CONFIG_SCSI_IMM=m # CONFIG_SCSI_IZIP_EPP16 is not set # CONFIG_SCSI_IZIP_SLOW_CTR is not set CONFIG_SCSI_SYM53C8XX_2=m CONFIG_SCSI_SYM53C8XX_DMA_ADDRESSING_MODE=1 CONFIG_SCSI_SYM53C8XX_DEFAULT_TAGS=16 CONFIG_SCSI_SYM53C8XX_MAX_TAGS=64 CONFIG_SCSI_SYM53C8XX_MMIO=y # CONFIG_SCSI_QLOGIC_FC is not set # CONFIG_SCSI_QLOGIC_FC_FIRMWARE is not set CONFIG_SCSI_QLOGIC_1280=m CONFIG_SCSI_DC395x=m # CONFIG_SCSI_NSP32 is not set # CONFIG_SCSI_DEBUG is not set CONFIG_SCSI_DC390T=m CONFIG_SCSI_QLA_FC=m CONFIG_SCSI_QLA_ISCSI=m # CONFIG_SCSI_IPR is not set # CONFIG_SCSI_DPT_I2O is not set CONFIG_SCSI_LPFC=m # # PCMCIA SCSI adapter support # CONFIG_PCMCIA_AHA152X=m CONFIG_PCMCIA_FDOMAIN=m CONFIG_PCMCIA_NINJA_SCSI=m CONFIG_PCMCIA_QLOGIC=m CONFIG_PCMCIA_SYM53C500=m # # Multi-device support (RAID and LVM) # CONFIG_MD=y CONFIG_BLK_DEV_MD=y CONFIG_MD_LINEAR=m CONFIG_MD_RAID0=m CONFIG_MD_RAID1=m CONFIG_MD_RAID5_RESHAPE=y CONFIG_MD_RAID10=m CONFIG_MD_RAID456=m CONFIG_MD_MULTIPATH=m CONFIG_MD_FAULTY=m CONFIG_BLK_DEV_DM=m CONFIG_DM_SNAPSHOT=m CONFIG_DM_MIRROR=m CONFIG_DM_ZERO=m CONFIG_DM_CRYPT=m CONFIG_DM_MULTIPATH=m CONFIG_DM_MULTIPATH_EMC=m # # Fusion MPT device support # CONFIG_FUSION_SPI=m CONFIG_FUSION_FC=m CONFIG_FUSION_MAX_SGE=40 CONFIG_FUSION_CTL=m CONFIG_FUSION_LAN=m CONFIG_FUSION_SAS=m # # IEEE 1394 (FireWire) support (EXPERIMENTAL) # CONFIG_IEEE1394=m # # Subsystem Options # # CONFIG_IEEE1394_VERBOSEDEBUG is not set CONFIG_IEEE1394_OUI_DB=y # # Device Drivers # CONFIG_IEEE1394_PCILYNX=m CONFIG_IEEE1394_OHCI1394=m # # Protocol Drivers # CONFIG_IEEE1394_VIDEO1394=m CONFIG_IEEE1394_SBP2=m # CONFIG_IEEE1394_SBP2_PHYS_DMA is not set CONFIG_IEEE1394_ETH1394=m CONFIG_IEEE1394_DV1394=m CONFIG_IEEE1394_RAWIO=m CONFIG_IEEE1394_EXTRA_CONFIG_ROMS=y CONFIG_IEEE1394_CONFIG_ROM_IP1394=y # CONFIG_IEEE1394_EXPORT_FULL_API is not set # # I2O device support # CONFIG_I2O=m # CONFIG_I2O_LCT_NOTIFY_ON_CHANGES is not set # # Networking support # CONFIG_NET=y # CONFIG_NETDEBUG is not set CONFIG_TCP_CONG_ADVANCED=y CONFIG_TCP_CONG_BIC=y CONFIG_TCP_CONG_CUBIC=m CONFIG_TCP_CONG_WESTWOOD=m CONFIG_TCP_CONG_HTCP=m CONFIG_TCP_CONG_HSTCP=m CONFIG_TCP_CONG_HYBLA=m CONFIG_TCP_CONG_VEGAS=m CONFIG_TCP_CONG_SCALABLE=m CONFIG_TCP_CONG_LP=m CONFIG_TCP_CONG_VENO=m # # Networking options # CONFIG_PACKET=y CONFIG_PACKET_MMAP=y CONFIG_UNIX=y CONFIG_NET_KEY=m CONFIG_INET=y CONFIG_INET_TUNNEL=m CONFIG_INET_DIAG=m CONFIG_IP_MULTICAST=y CONFIG_IP_ADVANCED_ROUTER=y CONFIG_IP_MULTIPLE_TABLES=y CONFIG_IP_ROUTE_FWMARK=y CONFIG_IP_ROUTE_MULTIPATH=y CONFIG_IP_ROUTE_VERBOSE=y # CONFIG_IP_ROUTE_MULTIPATH_CACHED is not set CONFIG_IP_ROUTE_MULTIPATH_RR=m CONFIG_IP_ROUTE_MULTIPATH_RANDOM=m CONFIG_IP_ROUTE_MULTIPATH_WRANDOM=m CONFIG_IP_ROUTE_MULTIPATH_DRR=m # CONFIG_IP_PNP is not set CONFIG_NET_IPIP=m CONFIG_NET_IPGRE=m CONFIG_NET_IPGRE_BROADCAST=y CONFIG_IP_MROUTE=y CONFIG_IP_PIMSM_V1=y CONFIG_IP_PIMSM_V2=y # CONFIG_ARPD is not set CONFIG_SYN_COOKIES=y CONFIG_INET_AH=m CONFIG_INET_ESP=m CONFIG_INET_IPCOMP=m CONFIG_NETCONSOLE=m # CONFIG_NETPOLL_RX is not set CONFIG_NETPOLL_TRAP=y CONFIG_NET_POLL_CONTROLLER=y # # IP: Virtual Server Configuration # CONFIG_IP_VS=m # CONFIG_IP_VS_DEBUG is not set CONFIG_IP_VS_TAB_BITS=12 CONFIG_IP_VS_PROTO_TCP=y CONFIG_IP_VS_PROTO_UDP=y CONFIG_IP_VS_PROTO_ESP=y CONFIG_IP_VS_PROTO_AH=y CONFIG_IP_VS_RR=m CONFIG_IP_VS_WRR=m CONFIG_IP_VS_LC=m CONFIG_IP_VS_WLC=m CONFIG_IP_VS_LBLC=m CONFIG_IP_VS_LBLCR=m CONFIG_IP_VS_DH=m CONFIG_IP_VS_SH=m CONFIG_IP_VS_SED=m CONFIG_IP_VS_NQ=m CONFIG_IP_VS_FTP=m CONFIG_IPV6=m CONFIG_IPV6_PRIVACY=y CONFIG_IPV6_ROUTER_PREF=y CONFIG_IPV6_ROUTE_INFO=y CONFIG_INET6_AH=m CONFIG_INET6_ESP=m CONFIG_INET6_IPCOMP=m CONFIG_IPV6_TUNNEL=m CONFIG_DECNET=m CONFIG_DECNET_ROUTER=y CONFIG_DECNET_ROUTE_FWMARK=y # CONFIG_DECNET_NF_GRABULATOR is not set CONFIG_BRIDGE=m CONFIG_NETFILTER=y CONFIG_NETFILTER_NETLINK=m CONFIG_NETFILTER_NETLINK_QUEUE=m CONFIG_NETFILTER_NETLINK_LOG=m CONFIG_NETFILTER_XTABLES=m CONFIG_NETFILTER_XT_TARGET_CLASSIFY=m CONFIG_NETFILTER_XT_TARGET_CONNMARK=m CONFIG_NETFILTER_XT_TARGET_CONNSECMARK=m CONFIG_NETFILTER_XT_TARGET_MARK=m CONFIG_NETFILTER_XT_TARGET_NFQUEUE=m CONFIG_NETFILTER_XT_TARGET_NOTRACK=m CONFIG_NETFILTER_XT_TARGET_SECMARK=m CONFIG_NETFILTER_XT_MATCH_COMMENT=m CONFIG_NETFILTER_XT_MATCH_CONNBYTES=m CONFIG_NETFILTER_XT_MATCH_CONNMARK=m CONFIG_NETFILTER_XT_MATCH_CONNTRACK=m CONFIG_NETFILTER_XT_MATCH_DCCP=m CONFIG_NETFILTER_XT_MATCH_ESP=m CONFIG_NETFILTER_XT_MATCH_HELPER=m CONFIG_NETFILTER_XT_MATCH_LENGTH=m CONFIG_NETFILTER_XT_MATCH_LIMIT=m CONFIG_NETFILTER_XT_MATCH_MAC=m CONFIG_NETFILTER_XT_MATCH_MARK=m CONFIG_NETFILTER_XT_MATCH_MULTIPORT=m CONFIG_NETFILTER_XT_MATCH_PHYSDEV=m CONFIG_NETFILTER_XT_MATCH_PKTTYPE=m CONFIG_NETFILTER_XT_MATCH_POLICY=m CONFIG_NETFILTER_XT_MATCH_QUOTA=m CONFIG_NETFILTER_XT_MATCH_REALM=m CONFIG_NETFILTER_XT_MATCH_SCTP=m CONFIG_NETFILTER_XT_MATCH_STATE=m CONFIG_NETFILTER_XT_MATCH_STRING=m CONFIG_NETFILTER_XT_MATCH_TCPMSS=m CONFIG_NETFILTER_XT_MATCH_STATISTIC=m CONFIG_NETFILTER_DEBUG=y CONFIG_BRIDGE_NETFILTER=y # # IP: Netfilter Configuration # CONFIG_IP_NF_CONNTRACK=y CONFIG_IP_NF_CONNTRACK_MARK=y CONFIG_IP_NF_CONNTRACK_EVENTS=y CONFIG_IP_NF_CONNTRACK_NETLINK=m CONFIG_IP_NF_CONNTRACK_SECMARK=y CONFIG_IP_NF_MATCH_ADDRTYPE=m CONFIG_IP_NF_MATCH_AH=m CONFIG_IP_NF_MATCH_DSCP=m CONFIG_IP_NF_MATCH_ECN=m CONFIG_IP_NF_MATCH_HASHLIMIT=m CONFIG_IP_NF_MATCH_IPRANGE=m CONFIG_IP_NF_MATCH_OWNER=m CONFIG_IP_NF_MATCH_RECENT=m CONFIG_IP_NF_MATCH_TOS=m CONFIG_IP_NF_MATCH_TTL=m CONFIG_IP_NF_TARGET_CLUSTERIP=m CONFIG_IP_NF_TARGET_MASQUERADE=m CONFIG_IP_NF_TARGET_REDIRECT=m CONFIG_IP_NF_TARGET_NETMAP=m CONFIG_IP_NF_TARGET_SAME=m CONFIG_IP_NF_TARGET_TOS=m CONFIG_IP_NF_TARGET_ECN=m CONFIG_IP_NF_TARGET_DSCP=m CONFIG_IP_NF_TARGET_LOG=m CONFIG_IP_NF_TARGET_ULOG=m CONFIG_IP_NF_TARGET_TCPMSS=m CONFIG_IP_NF_TARGET_REJECT=m CONFIG_IP_NF_TARGET_TTL=m CONFIG_IP_NF_NAT=m CONFIG_IP_NF_NAT_NEEDED=y CONFIG_IP_NF_NAT_SNMP_BASIC=m CONFIG_IP_NF_NAT_IRC=m CONFIG_IP_NF_NAT_FTP=m CONFIG_IP_NF_NAT_TFTP=m CONFIG_IP_NF_NAT_AMANDA=m CONFIG_IP_NF_MANGLE=m CONFIG_IP_NF_ARPTABLES=m CONFIG_IP_NF_ARPFILTER=m CONFIG_IP_NF_ARP_MANGLE=m CONFIG_IP_NF_CT_ACCT=y CONFIG_IP_NF_CT_PROTO_SCTP=m CONFIG_IP_NF_FTP=m CONFIG_IP_NF_IRC=m CONFIG_IP_NF_TFTP=m CONFIG_IP_NF_AMANDA=m CONFIG_IP_NF_QUEUE=m CONFIG_IP_NF_RAW=m CONFIG_IP_NF_IPTABLES=m CONFIG_IP_NF_FILTER=m CONFIG_IP_NF_NETBIOS_NS=m CONFIG_IP_NF_PPTP=m CONFIG_IP_NF_H323=m CONFIG_IP_NF_SIP=m # # IPv6: Netfilter Configuration # CONFIG_IP6_NF_QUEUE=m CONFIG_IP6_NF_IPTABLES=m CONFIG_IP6_NF_MATCH_AH=m CONFIG_IP6_NF_MATCH_EUI64=m CONFIG_IP6_NF_MATCH_FRAG=m CONFIG_IP6_NF_MATCH_HL=m CONFIG_IP6_NF_MATCH_IPV6HEADER=m CONFIG_IP6_NF_MATCH_OPTS=m CONFIG_IP6_NF_MATCH_OWNER=m CONFIG_IP6_NF_MATCH_RT=m CONFIG_IP6_NF_FILTER=m CONFIG_IP6_NF_MANGLE=m CONFIG_IP6_NF_RAW=m CONFIG_IP6_NF_TARGET_LOG=m CONFIG_IP6_NF_TARGET_REJECT=m CONFIG_IP6_NF_TARGET_HL=m # # Bridge: Netfilter Configuration # CONFIG_BRIDGE_NF_EBTABLES=m CONFIG_BRIDGE_EBT_BROUTE=m CONFIG_BRIDGE_EBT_T_FILTER=m CONFIG_BRIDGE_EBT_T_NAT=m CONFIG_BRIDGE_EBT_802_3=m CONFIG_BRIDGE_EBT_AMONG=m CONFIG_BRIDGE_EBT_ARP=m CONFIG_BRIDGE_EBT_IP=m CONFIG_BRIDGE_EBT_LIMIT=m CONFIG_BRIDGE_EBT_MARK=m CONFIG_BRIDGE_EBT_PKTTYPE=m CONFIG_BRIDGE_EBT_STP=m CONFIG_BRIDGE_EBT_VLAN=m CONFIG_BRIDGE_EBT_ARPREPLY=m CONFIG_BRIDGE_EBT_DNAT=m CONFIG_BRIDGE_EBT_MARK_T=m CONFIG_BRIDGE_EBT_REDIRECT=m CONFIG_BRIDGE_EBT_SNAT=m CONFIG_BRIDGE_EBT_LOG=m CONFIG_BRIDGE_EBT_ULOG=m CONFIG_XFRM=y CONFIG_XFRM_USER=y CONFIG_INET_XFRM_MODE_TRANSPORT=m CONFIG_INET_XFRM_MODE_TUNNEL=m CONFIG_INET6_XFRM_MODE_TRANSPORT=m CONFIG_INET6_XFRM_MODE_TUNNEL=m # # SCTP Configuration (EXPERIMENTAL) # CONFIG_IP_SCTP=m # CONFIG_SCTP_DBG_MSG is not set # CONFIG_SCTP_DBG_OBJCNT is not set # CONFIG_SCTP_HMAC_NONE is not set # CONFIG_SCTP_HMAC_SHA1 is not set CONFIG_SCTP_HMAC_MD5=y CONFIG_ATM=m CONFIG_VLAN_8021Q=m CONFIG_LLC=m # CONFIG_LLC2 is not set CONFIG_IPX=m # CONFIG_IPX_INTERN is not set CONFIG_ATALK=m CONFIG_DEV_APPLETALK=y CONFIG_IPDDP=m CONFIG_IPDDP_ENCAP=y CONFIG_IPDDP_DECAP=y # CONFIG_X25 is not set # CONFIG_LAPB is not set CONFIG_NET_DIVERT=y # CONFIG_ECONET is not set CONFIG_WAN_ROUTER=m CONFIG_IP_DCCP=m CONFIG_IP_DCCP_CCID2=m CONFIG_IP_DCCP_CCID3=m # CONFIG_IP_DCCP_DEBUG is not set # # TIPC Configuration (EXPERIMENTAL) # CONFIG_TIPC=m # CONFIG_TIPC_ADVANCED is not set # CONFIG_TIPC_DEBUG is not set CONFIG_NETLABEL=y # # QoS and/or fair queueing # CONFIG_NET_SCHED=y CONFIG_NET_SCH_CBQ=m CONFIG_NET_SCH_HTB=m CONFIG_NET_SCH_PRIO=m CONFIG_NET_SCH_RED=m CONFIG_NET_SCH_SFQ=m CONFIG_NET_SCH_TEQL=m CONFIG_NET_SCH_TBF=m CONFIG_NET_SCH_GRED=m CONFIG_NET_SCH_DSMARK=m CONFIG_NET_SCH_INGRESS=m CONFIG_NET_SCH_HFSC=m CONFIG_NET_SCH_NETEM=m CONFIG_NET_ESTIMATOR=y CONFIG_NET_CLS=y CONFIG_NET_CLS_TCINDEX=m CONFIG_NET_CLS_ROUTE4=m CONFIG_NET_CLS_ROUTE=y CONFIG_NET_CLS_FW=m CONFIG_NET_CLS_U32=m CONFIG_CLS_U32_MARK=y CONFIG_NET_CLS_RSVP=m CONFIG_NET_CLS_RSVP6=m CONFIG_NET_CLS_POLICE=y CONFIG_NET_ACT_POLICE=m CONFIG_CLS_U32_PERF=y CONFIG_NET_CLS_IND=y CONFIG_NET_CLS_ACT=y CONFIG_NET_CLS_BASIC=m CONFIG_NET_EMATCH=y CONFIG_NET_EMATCH_STACK=32 CONFIG_NET_EMATCH_CMP=m CONFIG_NET_EMATCH_NBYTE=m CONFIG_NET_EMATCH_U32=m CONFIG_NET_EMATCH_META=m CONFIG_NET_EMATCH_TEXT=m CONFIG_NET_ACT_GACT=m CONFIG_GACT_PROB=y CONFIG_NET_ACT_MIRRED=m CONFIG_NET_ACT_IPT=m CONFIG_NET_ACT_PEDIT=m CONFIG_NET_ACT_SIMP=m # # Network testing # CONFIG_NET_PKTGEN=m # CONFIG_NET_TCPPROBE is not set CONFIG_NETDEVICES=y # # ARCnet devices # # CONFIG_ARCNET is not set CONFIG_IFB=m CONFIG_DUMMY=m CONFIG_BONDING=m CONFIG_EQUALIZER=m CONFIG_TUN=m CONFIG_NET_SB1000=m # # ATM # # CONFIG_ATM_DUMMY is not set CONFIG_ATM_CLIP=m CONFIG_ATM_LANE=m CONFIG_ATM_BR2684=m CONFIG_NET_SCH_ATM=m CONFIG_ATM_TCP=m CONFIG_ATM_LANAI=m CONFIG_ATM_ENI=m CONFIG_ATM_FIRESTREAM=m # CONFIG_ATM_ZATM is not set CONFIG_ATM_IDT77252=m CONFIG_ATM_AMBASSADOR=m CONFIG_ATM_HORIZON=m CONFIG_ATM_FORE200E_MAYBE=m CONFIG_ATM_HE=m CONFIG_PPPOATM=m CONFIG_ATM_NICSTAR=m # CONFIG_ATM_IA is not set # CONFIG_ATM_CLIP_NO_ICMP is not set # CONFIG_ATM_MPOA is not set # CONFIG_ATM_BR2684_IPFILTER is not set # CONFIG_ATM_ENI_DEBUG is not set # CONFIG_ATM_ENI_TUNE_BURST is not set # CONFIG_ATM_ZATM_DEBUG is not set # CONFIG_ATM_IDT77252_DEBUG is not set # CONFIG_ATM_IDT77252_RCV_ALL is not set # CONFIG_ATM_AMBASSADOR_DEBUG is not set # CONFIG_ATM_HORIZON_DEBUG is not set # CONFIG_ATM_FORE200E_PCA is not set # CONFIG_ATM_HE_USE_SUNI is not set # CONFIG_ATM_NICSTAR_USE_SUNI is not set # CONFIG_ATM_NICSTAR_USE_IDT77105 is not set # CONFIG_ATM_IA_DEBUG is not set # # Ethernet (10 or 100Mbit) # CONFIG_NET_ETHERNET=y CONFIG_PHYLIB=m CONFIG_MARVELL_PHY=m CONFIG_DAVICOM_PHY=m CONFIG_QSEMI_PHY=m CONFIG_LXT_PHY=m CONFIG_CICADA_PHY=m CONFIG_SMSC_PHY=m CONFIG_FIXED_PHY=m CONFIG_FIXED_MII_10_FDX=y CONFIG_FIXED_MII_100_FDX=y CONFIG_VITESSE_PHY=m CONFIG_MII=m CONFIG_HAPPYMEAL=m CONFIG_SUNGEM=m CONFIG_NET_VENDOR_3COM=y CONFIG_VORTEX=m CONFIG_TYPHOON=m # # Tulip family network device support # CONFIG_NET_TULIP=y CONFIG_DE2104X=m CONFIG_TULIP=m # CONFIG_TULIP_NAPI is not set # CONFIG_TULIP_MWI is not set CONFIG_TULIP_MMIO=y # CONFIG_NI5010 is not set # CONFIG_PCMCIA_XIRTULIP is not set CONFIG_DE4X5=m CONFIG_WINBOND_840=m CONFIG_DM9102=m CONFIG_PCMCIA_XIRCOM=m CONFIG_ULI526X=m # CONFIG_HP100 is not set CONFIG_LNE390=m CONFIG_NE3210=m CONFIG_ES3210=m CONFIG_NET_PCI=y CONFIG_PCNET32=m CONFIG_AMD8111_ETH=m CONFIG_AMD8111E_NAPI=y CONFIG_ADAPTEC_STARFIRE=m CONFIG_ADAPTEC_STARFIRE_NAPI=y CONFIG_B44=m CONFIG_BNX2=m # CONFIG_DGRS is not set # CONFIG_EEPRO100 is not set CONFIG_E100=m CONFIG_FEALNX=m CONFIG_FORCEDETH=m CONFIG_NATSEMI=m CONFIG_NE2K_PCI=m CONFIG_8139CP=m CONFIG_8139TOO=m # CONFIG_8139TOO_PIO is not set # CONFIG_8139TOO_TUNE_TWISTER is not set CONFIG_8139TOO_8129=y # CONFIG_8139_OLD_RX_RESET is not set CONFIG_SIS900=m CONFIG_SIS190=m CONFIG_EPIC100=m CONFIG_SUNDANCE=m # CONFIG_SUNDANCE_MMIO is not set CONFIG_TLAN=m CONFIG_VIA_RHINE=m CONFIG_VIA_RHINE_MMIO=y CONFIG_VIA_RHINE_NAPI=y CONFIG_VIA_VELOCITY=m CONFIG_NET_POCKET=y CONFIG_ATP=m CONFIG_DE600=m CONFIG_DE620=m CONFIG_CASSINI=m # CONFIG_FEC_8XX is not set # # Ethernet (1000 Mbit) # CONFIG_ACENIC=m # CONFIG_ACENIC_OMIT_TIGON_I is not set CONFIG_DL2K=m CONFIG_E1000=m CONFIG_E1000_NAPI=y # CONFIG_E1000_DISABLE_PACKET_SPLIT is not set CONFIG_NS83820=m CONFIG_HAMACHI=m CONFIG_YELLOWFIN=m CONFIG_R8169=m CONFIG_R8169_NAPI=y CONFIG_R8169_VLAN=y # CONFIG_SK98LIN is not set CONFIG_SKGE=m CONFIG_TIGON3=m CONFIG_SKY2=m # # Ethernet (10000 Mbit) # CONFIG_IXGB=m CONFIG_IXGB_NAPI=y CONFIG_S2IO=m CONFIG_S2IO_NAPI=y CONFIG_MYRI10GE=m CONFIG_CHELSIO_T1=m CONFIG_FDDI=y # CONFIG_DEFXX is not set CONFIG_SKFP=m # CONFIG_HIPPI is not set CONFIG_PLIP=m CONFIG_PPP=m CONFIG_PPP_MULTILINK=y CONFIG_PPP_FILTER=y CONFIG_PPP_ASYNC=m CONFIG_PPP_SYNC_TTY=m CONFIG_PPP_DEFLATE=m CONFIG_IPPP_FILTER=y # CONFIG_PPP_BSDCOMP is not set CONFIG_PPPOE=m CONFIG_PPP_MPPE=m CONFIG_SLIP=m CONFIG_SLIP_COMPRESSED=y CONFIG_SLIP_SMART=y # CONFIG_SLIP_MODE_SLIP6 is not set # # Wireless LAN (non-hamradio) # CONFIG_NET_RADIO=y # # Obsolete Wireless cards support (pre-802.11) # # CONFIG_STRIP is not set # CONFIG_ARLAN is not set CONFIG_PCMCIA_WAVELAN=m CONFIG_PCMCIA_NETWAVE=m # # Wireless 802.11 Frequency Hopping cards support # # CONFIG_PCMCIA_RAYCS is not set # # Wireless 802.11b ISA/PCI cards support # CONFIG_IEEE80211=m # CONFIG_IEEE80211_DEBUG is not set CONFIG_IEEE80211_CRYPT_WEP=m CONFIG_IEEE80211_CRYPT_CCMP=m CONFIG_IEEE80211_CRYPT_TKIP=m CONFIG_IEEE80211_SOFTMAC=m CONFIG_IEEE80211_SOFTMAC_DEBUG=y CONFIG_IPW2100=m CONFIG_IPW2200=m # CONFIG_IPW2100_DEBUG is not set # CONFIG_IPW2200_DEBUG is not set CONFIG_USB_ZD1201=m CONFIG_ZD1211RW=m # CONFIG_ZD1211RW_DEBUG is not set CONFIG_AIRO=m CONFIG_HERMES=m CONFIG_PLX_HERMES=m CONFIG_TMD_HERMES=m CONFIG_NORTEL_HERMES=m CONFIG_PCI_HERMES=m CONFIG_ATMEL=m CONFIG_PCI_ATMEL=m CONFIG_PRISM54=m CONFIG_BCM43XX=m CONFIG_BCM43XX_DEBUG=y # # Wireless 802.11b Pcmcia/Cardbus cards support # CONFIG_PCMCIA_HERMES=m CONFIG_PCMCIA_SPECTRUM=m CONFIG_AIRO_CS=m CONFIG_PCMCIA_ATMEL=m CONFIG_PCMCIA_WL3501=m CONFIG_NET_WIRELESS=y CONFIG_NET_WIRELESS_RTNETLINK=y CONFIG_HOSTAP=m CONFIG_HOSTAP_PCI=m CONFIG_HOSTAP_PLX=m CONFIG_HOSTAP_FIRMWARE=y CONFIG_HOSTAP_FIRMWARE_NVRAM=y CONFIG_HOSTAP_CS=m # # Token Ring devices # CONFIG_TR=y CONFIG_IBMOL=m CONFIG_3C359=m # Broken with gcc4.1 # CONFIG_TMS380TR is not set CONFIG_TMSPCI=m CONFIG_ABYSS=m CONFIG_IBMLS=m CONFIG_PCMCIA_IBMTR=m CONFIG_NET_FC=y # CONFIG_SHAPER is not set # # Wan interfaces # # CONFIG_WAN is not set # # PCMCIA network device support # CONFIG_NET_PCMCIA=y CONFIG_PCMCIA_3C589=m CONFIG_PCMCIA_3C574=m CONFIG_PCMCIA_FMVJ18X=m CONFIG_PCMCIA_PCNET=m CONFIG_PCMCIA_NMCLAN=m CONFIG_PCMCIA_SMC91C92=m CONFIG_PCMCIA_XIRC2PS=m CONFIG_PCMCIA_AXNET=m # # Amateur Radio support # # CONFIG_HAMRADIO is not set # # IrDA (infrared) support # CONFIG_IRDA=m # CONFIG_IRDA_DEBUG is not set CONFIG_IRLAN=m CONFIG_IRNET=m CONFIG_IRCOMM=m # CONFIG_IRDA_ULTRA is not set CONFIG_IRDA_CACHE_LAST_LSAP=y CONFIG_IRDA_FAST_RR=y CONFIG_IRTTY_SIR=m CONFIG_DONGLE=y CONFIG_ESI_DONGLE=m CONFIG_ACTISYS_DONGLE=m CONFIG_TEKRAM_DONGLE=m CONFIG_TOIM3232_DONGLE=m CONFIG_IRPORT_SIR=m # CONFIG_DONGLE_OLD is not set CONFIG_LITELINK_DONGLE=m CONFIG_MA600_DONGLE=m CONFIG_GIRBIL_DONGLE=m CONFIG_MCP2120_DONGLE=m CONFIG_OLD_BELKIN_DONGLE=m CONFIG_ACT200L_DONGLE=m CONFIG_ALI_FIR=m CONFIG_MCS_FIR=m CONFIG_NSC_FIR=m CONFIG_SIGMATEL_FIR=m CONFIG_SMC_IRCC_FIR=m CONFIG_TOSHIBA_FIR=m CONFIG_USB_IRDA=m CONFIG_VLSI_FIR=m CONFIG_VIA_FIR=m CONFIG_WINBOND_FIR=m # # Bluetooth support # CONFIG_BT=m CONFIG_BT_L2CAP=m CONFIG_BT_SCO=m CONFIG_BT_CMTP=m CONFIG_BT_RFCOMM=m CONFIG_BT_RFCOMM_TTY=y CONFIG_BT_BNEP=m CONFIG_BT_BNEP_MC_FILTER=y CONFIG_BT_BNEP_PROTO_FILTER=y CONFIG_BT_HIDP=m # # Bluetooth device drivers # CONFIG_BT_HCIUSB=m CONFIG_BT_HCIUART=m CONFIG_BT_HCIUART_H4=y CONFIG_BT_HCIUART_BCSP=y CONFIG_BT_HCIDTL1=m CONFIG_BT_HCIBT3C=m CONFIG_BT_HCIBLUECARD=m CONFIG_BT_HCIBTUART=m CONFIG_BT_HCIVHCI=m CONFIG_BT_HCIUSB_SCO=y CONFIG_BT_HCIBCM203X=m CONFIG_BT_HCIBFUSB=m CONFIG_BT_HCIBPA10X=m # # ISDN subsystem # CONFIG_ISDN=m CONFIG_ISDN_I4L=m CONFIG_ISDN_DRV_AVMB1_B1PCI=m CONFIG_ISDN_DRV_AVMB1_B1PCMCIA=m CONFIG_ISDN_DRV_AVMB1_T1PCI=m CONFIG_ISDN_DRV_AVMB1_C4=m CONFIG_ISDN_PPP=y CONFIG_ISDN_PPP_VJ=y CONFIG_ISDN_MPP=y # CONFIG_ISDN_PPP_BSDCOMP is not set CONFIG_ISDN_TTY_FAX=y CONFIG_DE_AOC=y CONFIG_ISDN_AUDIO=y CONFIG_ISDN_DRV_HISAX=m CONFIG_ISDN_DRV_AVMB1_B1PCIV4=y CONFIG_ISDN_DRV_AVMB1_AVM_CS=m CONFIG_ISDN_CAPI_CAPIDRV=m CONFIG_ISDN_DIVERSION=m CONFIG_HISAX_EURO=y CONFIG_HISAX_1TR6=y CONFIG_HISAX_NI1=y CONFIG_HISAX_MAX_CARDS=8 CONFIG_HISAX_16_3=y CONFIG_HISAX_TELESPCI=y CONFIG_HISAX_S0BOX=y CONFIG_HISAX_FRITZPCI=y CONFIG_HISAX_AVM_A1_PCMCIA=y CONFIG_HISAX_ELSA=y CONFIG_HISAX_DIEHLDIVA=y CONFIG_HISAX_SEDLBAUER=y CONFIG_HISAX_NETJET=y CONFIG_HISAX_NETJET_U=y CONFIG_HISAX_NICCY=y CONFIG_HISAX_BKM_A4T=y CONFIG_HISAX_SCT_QUADRO=y CONFIG_HISAX_GAZEL=y CONFIG_HISAX_HFC_PCI=y CONFIG_HISAX_W6692=y CONFIG_HISAX_HFC_SX=y CONFIG_HISAX_ENTERNOW_PCI=y # CONFIG_HISAX_DEBUG is not set CONFIG_HISAX_AVM_A1_CS=m CONFIG_HISAX_ST5481=m # CONFIG_HISAX_HFCUSB is not set CONFIG_HISAX_FRITZ_PCIPNP=m CONFIG_HISAX_NO_SENDCOMPLETE=y CONFIG_HISAX_NO_LLC=y CONFIG_HISAX_NO_KEYPAD=y CONFIG_HISAX_SEDLBAUER_CS=m CONFIG_HISAX_ELSA_CS=m CONFIG_HISAX_TELES_CS=m CONFIG_HISAX_HFC4S8S=m CONFIG_ISDN_DRV_LOOP=m CONFIG_HYSDN=m CONFIG_HYSDN_CAPI=y # # CAPI subsystem # CONFIG_ISDN_CAPI=m CONFIG_ISDN_DRV_AVMB1_VERBOSE_REASON=y CONFIG_ISDN_CAPI_MIDDLEWARE=y CONFIG_ISDN_CAPI_CAPI20=m CONFIG_ISDN_CAPI_CAPIFS_BOOL=y CONFIG_ISDN_CAPI_CAPIFS=m # # CAPI hardware drivers # # # Active AVM cards # CONFIG_CAPI_AVM=y # # Active Eicon DIVA Server cards # CONFIG_CAPI_EICON=y CONFIG_ISDN_DIVAS=m CONFIG_ISDN_DIVAS_BRIPCI=y CONFIG_ISDN_DIVAS_PRIPCI=y CONFIG_ISDN_DIVAS_DIVACAPI=m CONFIG_ISDN_DIVAS_USERIDI=m CONFIG_ISDN_DIVAS_MAINT=m CONFIG_ISDN_DRV_GIGASET=m CONFIG_GIGASET_BASE=m CONFIG_GIGASET_M105=m # CONFIG_GIGASET_DEBUG is not set # CONFIG_GIGASET_UNDOCREQ is not set # # Telephony Support # # CONFIG_PHONE is not set # # Input device support # CONFIG_INPUT=y # # Userland interfaces # CONFIG_INPUT_MOUSEDEV=y # CONFIG_INPUT_MOUSEDEV_PSAUX is not set CONFIG_INPUT_MOUSEDEV_SCREEN_X=1024 CONFIG_INPUT_MOUSEDEV_SCREEN_Y=768 CONFIG_INPUT_JOYDEV=m # CONFIG_INPUT_TSDEV is not set CONFIG_INPUT_EVDEV=y # CONFIG_INPUT_EVBUG is not set # # Input I/O drivers # CONFIG_GAMEPORT=m CONFIG_GAMEPORT_NS558=m CONFIG_GAMEPORT_L4=m CONFIG_GAMEPORT_EMU10K1=m CONFIG_GAMEPORT_FM801=m CONFIG_SERIO=y CONFIG_SERIO_I8042=y CONFIG_SERIO_SERPORT=y CONFIG_SERIO_RAW=m # CONFIG_SERIO_CT82C710 is not set # CONFIG_SERIO_PARKBD is not set # CONFIG_SERIO_PCIPS2 is not set # # Input Device Drivers # CONFIG_INPUT_KEYBOARD=y CONFIG_KEYBOARD_ATKBD=y # CONFIG_KEYBOARD_SUNKBD is not set # CONFIG_KEYBOARD_XTKBD is not set # CONFIG_KEYBOARD_NEWTON is not set # CONFIG_KEYBOARD_LKKBD is not set CONFIG_INPUT_MOUSE=y CONFIG_MOUSE_PS2=y CONFIG_MOUSE_SERIAL=m CONFIG_MOUSE_VSXXXAA=m CONFIG_INPUT_JOYSTICK=y CONFIG_JOYSTICK_ANALOG=m CONFIG_JOYSTICK_A3D=m CONFIG_JOYSTICK_ADI=m CONFIG_JOYSTICK_COBRA=m CONFIG_JOYSTICK_GF2K=m CONFIG_JOYSTICK_GRIP=m CONFIG_JOYSTICK_GRIP_MP=m CONFIG_JOYSTICK_GUILLEMOT=m CONFIG_JOYSTICK_INTERACT=m CONFIG_JOYSTICK_SIDEWINDER=m CONFIG_JOYSTICK_TMDC=m CONFIG_JOYSTICK_IFORCE=m CONFIG_JOYSTICK_IFORCE_USB=y CONFIG_JOYSTICK_IFORCE_232=y CONFIG_JOYSTICK_WARRIOR=m CONFIG_JOYSTICK_MAGELLAN=m CONFIG_JOYSTICK_SPACEORB=m CONFIG_JOYSTICK_SPACEBALL=m CONFIG_JOYSTICK_STINGER=m CONFIG_JOYSTICK_DB9=m CONFIG_JOYSTICK_GAMECON=m CONFIG_JOYSTICK_TURBOGRAFX=m CONFIG_JOYSTICK_JOYDUMP=m CONFIG_JOYSTICK_TWIDJOY=m CONFIG_INPUT_TOUCHSCREEN=y CONFIG_TOUCHSCREEN_GUNZE=m CONFIG_TOUCHSCREEN_ELO=m CONFIG_TOUCHSCREEN_MTOUCH=m CONFIG_TOUCHSCREEN_MK712=m CONFIG_INPUT_MISC=y CONFIG_INPUT_PCSPKR=m CONFIG_INPUT_UINPUT=m CONFIG_INPUT_WISTRON_BTNS=m # # Character devices # CONFIG_VT=y CONFIG_VT_CONSOLE=y CONFIG_HW_CONSOLE=y CONFIG_VT_HW_CONSOLE_BINDING=y CONFIG_SERIAL_NONSTANDARD=y # CONFIG_ROCKETPORT is not set CONFIG_SYNCLINK=m CONFIG_SYNCLINKMP=m CONFIG_SYNCLINK_GT=m CONFIG_N_HDLC=m # CONFIG_STALDRV is not set # CONFIG_FTAPE is not set CONFIG_IBM_ASM=m CONFIG_TCG_TPM=m CONFIG_TCG_TIS=m CONFIG_TCG_NSC=m CONFIG_TCG_ATMEL=m CONFIG_TCG_INFINEON=m # CONFIG_TELCLOCK is not set # # Serial drivers # CONFIG_SERIAL_8250=y CONFIG_SERIAL_8250_CONSOLE=y CONFIG_SERIAL_8250_CS=m CONFIG_SERIAL_8250_NR_UARTS=32 CONFIG_SERIAL_8250_RUNTIME_UARTS=4 CONFIG_SERIAL_8250_EXTENDED=y CONFIG_SERIAL_8250_MANY_PORTS=y CONFIG_SERIAL_8250_SHARE_IRQ=y CONFIG_SERIAL_8250_DETECT_IRQ=y CONFIG_SERIAL_8250_RSA=y # CONFIG_COMPUTONE is not set CONFIG_CYCLADES=m # CONFIG_CYZ_INTR is not set # CONFIG_DIGIEPCA is not set # CONFIG_ESPSERIAL is not set # CONFIG_MOXA_INTELLIO is not set # CONFIG_MOXA_SMARTIO is not set # CONFIG_ISI is not set # CONFIG_RISCOM8 is not set # CONFIG_SPECIALIX is not set # CONFIG_SX is not set # CONFIG_RIO is not set # CONFIG_STALLION is not set # CONFIG_ISTALLION is not set CONFIG_SERIAL_JSM=m # # Non-8250 serial port support # CONFIG_SERIAL_CORE=y CONFIG_SERIAL_CORE_CONSOLE=y CONFIG_UNIX98_PTYS=y # CONFIG_LEGACY_PTYS is not set CONFIG_PRINTER=m CONFIG_LP_CONSOLE=y CONFIG_PPDEV=m CONFIG_TIPAR=m # # I2C support # CONFIG_I2C=m CONFIG_I2C_CHARDEV=m # # I2C Algorithms # # CONFIG_I2C_DEBUG_ALGO is not set CONFIG_I2C_ALGOBIT=m CONFIG_I2C_ALGOPCF=m # # I2C Hardware Bus support # CONFIG_I2C_NFORCE2=m CONFIG_I2C_PROSAVAGE=m CONFIG_I2C_SAVAGE4=m CONFIG_I2C_VOODOO3=m CONFIG_I2C_ALI1535=m CONFIG_I2C_ALI1563=m CONFIG_I2C_ALI15X3=m CONFIG_I2C_AMD756=m CONFIG_I2C_AMD756_S4882=m CONFIG_I2C_AMD8111=m CONFIG_I2C_I801=m CONFIG_I2C_I810=m CONFIG_I2C_PIIX4=m # CONFIG_SCx200_ACB is not set CONFIG_I2C_SIS5595=m CONFIG_I2C_SIS630=m CONFIG_I2C_SIS96X=m CONFIG_I2C_VIA=m CONFIG_I2C_VIAPRO=m # CONFIG_I2C_ELEKTOR is not set CONFIG_I2C_PARPORT=m CONFIG_I2C_PARPORT_LIGHT=m # CONFIG_I2C_DEBUG_CORE is not set # CONFIG_I2C_DEBUG_BUS is not set # CONFIG_I2C_DEBUG_CHIP is not set CONFIG_I2C_ALGOPCA=m CONFIG_I2C_PCA_ISA=m CONFIG_I2C_STUB=m # CONFIG_I2C_OCORES is not set # # I2C Hardware Sensors Chip support # CONFIG_SENSORS_ABITUGURU=m CONFIG_SENSORS_ADM1021=m CONFIG_SENSORS_ADM1025=m CONFIG_SENSORS_ADM1026=m CONFIG_SENSORS_ADM1031=m CONFIG_SENSORS_ADM9240=m CONFIG_SENSORS_ATXP1=m CONFIG_SENSORS_ASB100=m CONFIG_SENSORS_DS1621=m CONFIG_SENSORS_DS1337=m CONFIG_SENSORS_DS1374=m CONFIG_SENSORS_EEPROM=m CONFIG_SENSORS_FSCHER=m CONFIG_SENSORS_FSCPOS=m CONFIG_SENSORS_F71805F=m CONFIG_SENSORS_GL518SM=m CONFIG_SENSORS_GL520SM=m CONFIG_SENSORS_HDAPS=m CONFIG_SENSORS_IT87=m CONFIG_SENSORS_LM63=m CONFIG_SENSORS_LM75=m CONFIG_SENSORS_LM77=m CONFIG_SENSORS_LM78=m CONFIG_SENSORS_LM80=m CONFIG_SENSORS_LM83=m CONFIG_SENSORS_LM85=m CONFIG_SENSORS_LM87=m CONFIG_SENSORS_LM90=m CONFIG_SENSORS_LM92=m CONFIG_SENSORS_MAX1619=m CONFIG_SENSORS_MAX6875=m CONFIG_SENSORS_PC87360=m CONFIG_SENSORS_PCA9539=m CONFIG_SENSORS_PCF8574=m CONFIG_SENSORS_PCF8591=m CONFIG_SENSORS_SIS5595=m CONFIG_SENSORS_SMSC47M1=m CONFIG_SENSORS_SMSC47M192=m CONFIG_SENSORS_SMSC47B397=m CONFIG_SENSORS_VIA686A=m CONFIG_SENSORS_VT8231=m CONFIG_SENSORS_W83627HF=m CONFIG_SENSORS_W83781D=m CONFIG_SENSORS_W83L785TS=m CONFIG_SENSORS_W83627EHF=m CONFIG_SENSORS_W83791D=m CONFIG_SENSORS_W83792D=m CONFIG_W1=m CONFIG_W1_MASTER_MATROX=m CONFIG_W1_MASTER_DS2482=m CONFIG_W1_SLAVE_THERM=m CONFIG_W1_SLAVE_SMEM=m CONFIG_W1_SLAVE_DS2433=m CONFIG_W1_SLAVE_DS2433_CRC=y CONFIG_W1_CON=y CONFIG_W1_MASTER_DS2490=m # # Mice # # # IPMI # CONFIG_IPMI_HANDLER=m # CONFIG_IPMI_PANIC_EVENT is not set CONFIG_IPMI_DEVICE_INTERFACE=m CONFIG_IPMI_WATCHDOG=m CONFIG_IPMI_SI=m CONFIG_IPMI_POWEROFF=m # # Watchdog Cards # CONFIG_WATCHDOG=y # CONFIG_WATCHDOG_NOWAYOUT is not set CONFIG_SOFT_WATCHDOG=m # CONFIG_WDT_501 is not set CONFIG_WDTPCI=m CONFIG_WDT_501_PCI=y # CONFIG_ACQUIRE_WDT is not set # CONFIG_ADVANTECH_WDT is not set # CONFIG_EUROTECH_WDT is not set # CONFIG_IB700_WDT is not set CONFIG_I8XX_TCO=m # CONFIG_MIXCOMWD is not set # CONFIG_SCx200_WDT is not set # CONFIG_60XX_WDT is not set CONFIG_W83877F_WDT=m CONFIG_W83627HF_WDT=m CONFIG_MACHZ_WDT=m # CONFIG_SC520_WDT is not set CONFIG_ALIM7101_WDT=m CONFIG_ALIM1535_WDT=m # CONFIG_SC1200_WDT is not set # CONFIG_WAFER_WDT is not set # CONFIG_CPU5_WDT is not set CONFIG_I6300ESB_WDT=m # CONFIG_SBC8360_WDT is not set CONFIG_W83977F_WDT=m CONFIG_PCIPCWATCHDOG=m CONFIG_USBPCWATCHDOG=m # CONFIG_SBC_EPX_C3_WATCHDOG is not set CONFIG_HW_RANDOM=y CONFIG_NVRAM=y CONFIG_RTC=y CONFIG_RTC_CLASS=m CONFIG_RTC_HCTOSYS=y CONFIG_RTC_HCTOSYS_DEVICE="rtc0" CONFIG_RTC_INTF_SYSFS=m CONFIG_RTC_INTF_PROC=m CONFIG_RTC_INTF_DEV=m CONFIG_RTC_DRV_X1205=m CONFIG_RTC_DRV_ISL1208=m CONFIG_RTC_DRV_DS1672=m CONFIG_RTC_DRV_PCF8563=m CONFIG_RTC_DRV_RS5C372=m # CONFIG_RTC_DRV_M48T86 is not set # CONFIG_RTC_DRV_EP93XX is not set # CONFIG_RTC_DRV_SA1100 is not set # CONFIG_RTC_DRV_TEST is not set # CONFIG_RTC_INTF_DEV_UIE_EMUL is not set CONFIG_RTC_DRV_DS1307=m CONFIG_RTC_DRV_DS1553=m CONFIG_RTC_DRV_DS1742=m CONFIG_RTC_DRV_PCF8583=m CONFIG_RTC_DRV_V3020=m CONFIG_DTLK=m CONFIG_R3964=m # CONFIG_APPLICOM is not set CONFIG_SONYPI=m # # Ftape, the floppy tape device driver # CONFIG_AGP=y CONFIG_AGP_ALI=y CONFIG_AGP_ATI=y CONFIG_AGP_AMD=y CONFIG_AGP_AMD64=y CONFIG_AGP_INTEL=y CONFIG_AGP_NVIDIA=y CONFIG_AGP_SIS=y CONFIG_AGP_SWORKS=y CONFIG_AGP_VIA=y CONFIG_AGP_EFFICEON=y CONFIG_DRM=m CONFIG_DRM_TDFX=m CONFIG_DRM_R128=m CONFIG_DRM_RADEON=m CONFIG_DRM_I810=m CONFIG_DRM_I830=m CONFIG_DRM_MGA=m CONFIG_DRM_SIS=m CONFIG_DRM_SAVAGE=m CONFIG_DRM_I915=m CONFIG_DRM_VIA=m # # PCMCIA character devices # # CONFIG_SYNCLINK_CS is not set CONFIG_CARDMAN_4000=m CONFIG_CARDMAN_4040=m CONFIG_MWAVE=m # CONFIG_RAW_DRIVER is not set CONFIG_MAX_RAW_DEVS=8192 CONFIG_HANGCHECK_TIMER=m # # Multimedia devices # CONFIG_VIDEO_DEV=m # CONFIG_VIDEO_ADV_DEBUG is not set CONFIG_VIDEO_V4L1=y CONFIG_VIDEO_V4L1_COMPAT=y # CONFIG_VIDEO_VIVI is not set # # Video For Linux # # # Video Adapters # CONFIG_VIDEO_BT848=m CONFIG_VIDEO_BT848_DVB=y CONFIG_VIDEO_BWQCAM=m CONFIG_VIDEO_CPIA=m CONFIG_VIDEO_CPIA_PP=m CONFIG_VIDEO_CPIA_USB=m CONFIG_VIDEO_CPIA2=m CONFIG_VIDEO_CQCAM=m CONFIG_VIDEO_CS53L32A=m CONFIG_VIDEO_CX25840=m CONFIG_VIDEO_CX2341X=m CONFIG_VIDEO_CX88=m CONFIG_VIDEO_CX88_DVB=m CONFIG_VIDEO_CX88_DVB_ALL_FRONTENDS=y CONFIG_VIDEO_CX88_ALSA=m CONFIG_VIDEO_CX88_BLACKBIRD=m CONFIG_VIDEO_DPC=m CONFIG_VIDEO_EM28XX=m CONFIG_VIDEO_HEXIUM_ORION=m CONFIG_VIDEO_HEXIUM_GEMINI=m CONFIG_VIDEO_MEYE=m CONFIG_VIDEO_MXB=m CONFIG_VIDEO_OVCAMCHIP=m CONFIG_VIDEO_SAA5246A=m CONFIG_VIDEO_SAA5249=m CONFIG_VIDEO_SAA6588=m CONFIG_VIDEO_SAA7127=m CONFIG_VIDEO_SAA7134=m CONFIG_VIDEO_SAA7134_ALSA=m CONFIG_VIDEO_SAA7134_DVB=m CONFIG_VIDEO_SAA7134_DVB_ALL_FRONTENDS=y CONFIG_VIDEO_STRADIS=m CONFIG_VIDEO_TLV320AIC23B=m CONFIG_VIDEO_UPD64031A=m CONFIG_VIDEO_UPD64083=m CONFIG_VIDEO_W9966=m CONFIG_VIDEO_WM8775=m CONFIG_VIDEO_WM8739=m CONFIG_VIDEO_ZORAN=m CONFIG_VIDEO_ZORAN_AVS6EYES=m CONFIG_VIDEO_ZORAN_BUZ=m CONFIG_VIDEO_ZORAN_DC10=m CONFIG_VIDEO_ZORAN_DC30=m CONFIG_VIDEO_ZORAN_LML33=m CONFIG_VIDEO_ZORAN_LML33R10=m CONFIG_TUNER_3036=m # # Radio Adapters # CONFIG_RADIO_GEMTEK_PCI=m CONFIG_RADIO_MAXIRADIO=m CONFIG_RADIO_MAESTRO=m CONFIG_RADIO_MIROPCM20=m CONFIG_RADIO_MIROPCM20_RDS=m # # Digital Video Broadcasting Devices # CONFIG_DVB=y CONFIG_DVB_CORE=m # # Supported Frontend Modules # CONFIG_DVB_STV0299=m # CONFIG_DVB_SP887X is not set CONFIG_DVB_CX24110=m CONFIG_DVB_MT312=m CONFIG_DVB_VES1820=m CONFIG_DVB_VES1X93=m CONFIG_DVB_TTUSB_DEC=m CONFIG_DVB_BT8XX=m CONFIG_DVB_TDA1004X=m CONFIG_DVB_NXT6000=m # # Supported SAA7146 based PCI Adapters # CONFIG_DVB_AV7110=m CONFIG_DVB_AV7110_OSD=y # CONFIG_DVB_AV7110_FIRMWARE is not set CONFIG_DVB_BUDGET=m CONFIG_DVB_BUDGET_CI=m CONFIG_DVB_BUDGET_AV=m CONFIG_DVB_BUDGET_PATCH=m # # Supported USB Adapters # CONFIG_DVB_TTUSB_BUDGET=m # # Supported FlexCopII (B2C2) Adapters # CONFIG_DVB_CINERGYT2=m CONFIG_DVB_B2C2_FLEXCOP=m CONFIG_DVB_B2C2_FLEXCOP_PCI=m CONFIG_DVB_B2C2_FLEXCOP_USB=m # CONFIG_DVB_B2C2_FLEXCOP_DEBUG is not set CONFIG_DVB_CX22700=m CONFIG_DVB_CX22702=m CONFIG_DVB_DIB3000MB=m CONFIG_DVB_DIB3000MC=m CONFIG_DVB_CINERGYT2_TUNING=y CONFIG_DVB_CINERGYT2_STREAM_URB_COUNT=32 CONFIG_DVB_CINERGYT2_STREAM_BUF_SIZE=512 CONFIG_DVB_CINERGYT2_QUERY_INTERVAL=250 CONFIG_DVB_CINERGYT2_ENABLE_RC_INPUT_DEVICE=y CONFIG_DVB_CINERGYT2_RC_QUERY_INTERVAL=100 CONFIG_DVB_OR51132=m CONFIG_DVB_USB=m # CONFIG_DVB_USB_DEBUG is not set CONFIG_DVB_USB_A800=m CONFIG_DVB_USB_CXUSB=m CONFIG_DVB_USB_DIBUSB_MB=m # CONFIG_DVB_USB_DIBUSB_MB_FAULTY is not set CONFIG_DVB_USB_DIBUSB_MC=m CONFIG_DVB_USB_DIGITV=m CONFIG_DVB_USB_DTT200U=m CONFIG_DVB_USB_GP8PSK=m CONFIG_DVB_USB_NOVA_T_USB2=m CONFIG_DVB_USB_UMT_010=m CONFIG_DVB_USB_VP702X=m CONFIG_DVB_USB_VP7045=m CONFIG_DVB_PLUTO2=m CONFIG_DVB_LGDT330X=m CONFIG_DVB_S5H1420=m CONFIG_DVB_SP8870=m CONFIG_DVB_L64781=m CONFIG_DVB_TDA10021=m CONFIG_VIDEO_SAA7146=m CONFIG_VIDEO_SAA7146_VV=m CONFIG_VIDEO_VIDEOBUF=m CONFIG_VIDEO_TUNER=m CONFIG_VIDEO_BUF=m CONFIG_VIDEO_BTCX=m CONFIG_VIDEO_PVRUSB2=m CONFIG_VIDEO_PVRUSB2_24XXX=y CONFIG_VIDEO_PVRUSB2_SYSFS=y # CONFIG_VIDEO_PVRUSB2_DEBUGIFC is not set # # Graphics support # CONFIG_FB=y # CONFIG_FB_CYBER2000 is not set # CONFIG_FB_IMSTT is not set CONFIG_FB_VGA16=m CONFIG_FB_VESA=y CONFIG_VIDEO_SELECT=y # CONFIG_FB_HGA is not set CONFIG_FB_RIVA=m # CONFIG_FB_RIVA_DEBUG is not set # CONFIG_FB_RIVA_I2C is not set CONFIG_FB_I810=m CONFIG_FB_I810_GTF=y CONFIG_FB_I810_I2C=y CONFIG_FB_MATROX=m CONFIG_FB_MATROX_MILLENIUM=y CONFIG_FB_MATROX_MYSTIQUE=y CONFIG_FB_MATROX_G=y CONFIG_FB_MATROX_I2C=m CONFIG_FB_MATROX_MAVEN=m CONFIG_FB_MATROX_MULTIHEAD=y CONFIG_FB_RADEON=m # CONFIG_FB_RADEON_DEBUG is not set CONFIG_FB_RADEON_I2C=y CONFIG_FB_ATY128=m CONFIG_FB_ATY=m CONFIG_FB_ATY_CT=y CONFIG_FB_ATY_GX=y # CONFIG_FB_SIS is not set CONFIG_FB_SIS_300=y CONFIG_FB_SIS_315=y CONFIG_FB_NEOMAGIC=m CONFIG_FB_3DFX=m CONFIG_FB_VOODOO1=m CONFIG_FB_TRIDENT=m # CONFIG_FB_VIRTUAL is not set CONFIG_FB_KYRO=m # CONFIG_FB_PM2 is not set # CONFIG_FB_PM2_FIFO_DISCONNECT is not set # CONFIG_FB_ASILIANT is not set CONFIG_FB_3DFX_ACCEL=y CONFIG_FB_TRIDENT_ACCEL=y CONFIG_FB_CIRRUS=m CONFIG_FB_TILEBLITTING=y # CONFIG_FB_ARC is not set CONFIG_FB_INTEL=m # CONFIG_FB_INTEL_DEBUG is not set CONFIG_FB_ATY_GENERIC_LCD=y CONFIG_FB_SAVAGE=m CONFIG_FB_SAVAGE_I2C=y CONFIG_FB_SAVAGE_ACCEL=y CONFIG_FB_NVIDIA=m CONFIG_FB_NVIDIA_I2C=y # CONFIG_FB_GEODE is not set # CONFIG_FB_S1D13XXX is not set CONFIG_FB_CYBLA=m # CONFIG_FIRMWARE_EDID is not set # CONFIG_FB_IMAC is not set # # Console display driver support # CONFIG_VGA_CONSOLE=y CONFIG_VGACON_SOFT_SCROLLBACK=y CONFIG_VGACON_SOFT_SCROLLBACK_SIZE=64 # CONFIG_MDA_CONSOLE is not set CONFIG_DUMMY_CONSOLE=y CONFIG_FRAMEBUFFER_CONSOLE=y CONFIG_FRAMEBUFFER_CONSOLE_ROTATION=y # CONFIG_FONTS is not set # # Logo configuration # CONFIG_LOGO=y # CONFIG_LOGO_LINUX_MONO is not set # CONFIG_LOGO_LINUX_VGA16 is not set CONFIG_LOGO_LINUX_CLUT224=y # # Sound # CONFIG_SOUND=m # # Advanced Linux Sound Architecture # CONFIG_SND=m CONFIG_SND_VERBOSE_PROCFS=y CONFIG_SND_SEQUENCER=m CONFIG_SND_SEQ_DUMMY=m CONFIG_SND_SEQUENCER_OSS=y CONFIG_SND_SEQ_RTCTIMER_DEFAULT=y CONFIG_SND_OSSEMUL=y CONFIG_SND_MIXER_OSS=m CONFIG_SND_PCM_OSS=m CONFIG_SND_PCM_OSS_PLUGINS=y CONFIG_SND_RTCTIMER=m # CONFIG_SND_VERBOSE_PRINTK is not set # CONFIG_SND_DEBUG is not set CONFIG_SND_DYNAMIC_MINORS=y # CONFIG_SND_SUPPORT_OLD_API is not set # # Generic devices # CONFIG_SND_DUMMY=m CONFIG_SND_VIRMIDI=m CONFIG_SND_MTPAV=m # CONFIG_SND_SERIAL_U16550 is not set CONFIG_SND_MPU401=m # # ISA devices # CONFIG_SND_AD1889=m # CONFIG_SND_WAVEFRONT is not set # # PCI devices # CONFIG_SND_ALI5451=m CONFIG_SND_AZT3328=m CONFIG_SND_CS46XX=m CONFIG_SND_CS46XX_NEW_DSP=y CONFIG_SND_CS4281=m CONFIG_SND_CS5535AUDIO=m CONFIG_SND_EMU10K1=m CONFIG_SND_EMU10K1X=m CONFIG_SND_CA0106=m CONFIG_SND_KORG1212=m CONFIG_SND_NM256=m CONFIG_SND_RME32=m CONFIG_SND_PCXHR=m CONFIG_SND_RME96=m CONFIG_SND_RME9652=m CONFIG_SND_HDSP=m CONFIG_SND_TRIDENT=m CONFIG_SND_YMFPCI=m CONFIG_SND_ALS4000=m CONFIG_SND_CMIPCI=m CONFIG_SND_ENS1370=m CONFIG_SND_ENS1371=m CONFIG_SND_ES1938=m CONFIG_SND_ES1968=m CONFIG_SND_MAESTRO3=m CONFIG_SND_FM801=m CONFIG_SND_ICE1712=m CONFIG_SND_ICE1724=m CONFIG_SND_INTEL8X0=m CONFIG_SND_SONICVIBES=m CONFIG_SND_VIA82XX=m CONFIG_SND_VIA82XX_MODEM=m CONFIG_SND_VX222=m CONFIG_SND_BT87X=m # CONFIG_SND_BT87X_OVERCLOCK is not set CONFIG_SND_ATIIXP=m CONFIG_SND_ATIIXP_MODEM=m CONFIG_SND_AU8810=m CONFIG_SND_AU8820=m CONFIG_SND_AU8830=m CONFIG_SND_MIXART=m CONFIG_SND_FM801_TEA575X_BOOL=y CONFIG_SND_INTEL8X0M=m CONFIG_SND_HDA_INTEL=m CONFIG_SND_HDSPM=m CONFIG_SND_ADLIB=m CONFIG_SND_MIRO=m CONFIG_SND_ALS300=m CONFIG_SND_RIPTIDE=m # # ALSA USB devices # CONFIG_SND_USB_AUDIO=m CONFIG_SND_USB_USX2Y=m # # PCMCIA devices # # CONFIG_SND_VXPOCKET is not set # # Open Sound System # # CONFIG_SOUND_PRIME is not set # CONFIG_SOUND_BT878 is not set # # USB support # CONFIG_USB=y # CONFIG_USB_DEBUG is not set # # Miscellaneous USB options # CONFIG_USB_DEVICEFS=y # CONFIG_USB_BANDWIDTH is not set # CONFIG_USB_DYNAMIC_MINORS is not set # CONFIG_USB_SUSPEND is not set # # USB Host Controller Drivers # CONFIG_USB_EHCI_HCD=m CONFIG_USB_EHCI_SPLIT_ISO=y CONFIG_USB_EHCI_ROOT_HUB_TT=y CONFIG_USB_EHCI_TT_NEWSCHED=y CONFIG_USB_OHCI_HCD=m CONFIG_USB_UHCI_HCD=m CONFIG_USB_SL811_CS=m # # USB Device Class drivers # # # USB Bluetooth TTY can only be used with disabled Bluetooth subsystem # CONFIG_USB_ACM=m CONFIG_USB_PRINTER=m CONFIG_BLK_DEV_UB=m CONFIG_USB_STORAGE=m # CONFIG_USB_STORAGE_DEBUG is not set CONFIG_USB_STORAGE_DATAFAB=y CONFIG_USB_STORAGE_FREECOM=y CONFIG_USB_STORAGE_ISD200=y CONFIG_USB_STORAGE_DPCM=y CONFIG_USB_STORAGE_SDDR09=y CONFIG_USB_STORAGE_SDDR55=y CONFIG_USB_STORAGE_JUMPSHOT=y CONFIG_USB_STORAGE_USBAT=y CONFIG_USB_STORAGE_ONETOUCH=y CONFIG_USB_STORAGE_ALAUDA=y CONFIG_USB_LIBUSUAL=y # # USB Human Interface Devices (HID) # CONFIG_USB_HID=y CONFIG_USB_HIDINPUT=y CONFIG_HID_FF=y CONFIG_HID_PID=y CONFIG_LOGITECH_FF=y CONFIG_THRUSTMASTER_FF=y CONFIG_USB_HIDDEV=y CONFIG_USB_IDMOUSE=m # # USB HID Boot Protocol drivers # # CONFIG_USB_KBD is not set # CONFIG_USB_MOUSE is not set CONFIG_USB_AIPTEK=m CONFIG_USB_WACOM=m CONFIG_USB_KBTAB=m CONFIG_USB_POWERMATE=m CONFIG_USB_XPAD=m # # USB Imaging devices # CONFIG_USB_MDC800=m CONFIG_USB_MICROTEK=m # # USB Multimedia devices # CONFIG_USB_DABUSB=m CONFIG_USB_VICAM=m CONFIG_USB_DSBR=m CONFIG_USB_ET61X251=m CONFIG_USB_IBMCAM=m CONFIG_USB_KONICAWC=m CONFIG_USB_OV511=m CONFIG_USB_SE401=m CONFIG_USB_STV680=m CONFIG_USB_SN9C102=m # # USB Network adaptors # CONFIG_USB_CATC=m CONFIG_USB_KAWETH=m CONFIG_USB_PEGASUS=m CONFIG_USB_RTL8150=m CONFIG_USB_USBNET=m CONFIG_USB_SPEEDTOUCH=m # Has dumb detection, which gets loaded for every hid device. # CONFIG_USB_YEALINK is not set CONFIG_USB_NET_AX8817X=m CONFIG_USB_NET_GL620A=m CONFIG_USB_NET_NET1080=m CONFIG_USB_NET_PLUSB=m CONFIG_USB_NET_RNDIS_HOST=m CONFIG_USB_NET_CDC_SUBSET=m CONFIG_USB_NET_ZAURUS=m # # USB Host-to-Host Cables # CONFIG_USB_AN2720=y CONFIG_USB_BELKIN=y # # Intelligent USB Devices/Gadgets # CONFIG_USB_ARMLINUX=y CONFIG_USB_EPSON2888=y # # USB port drivers # CONFIG_USB_USS720=m # # USB Serial Converter support # CONFIG_USB_SERIAL=m CONFIG_USB_SERIAL_GENERIC=y CONFIG_USB_SERIAL_AIRPRIME=m CONFIG_USB_SERIAL_ARK3116=m CONFIG_USB_SERIAL_BELKIN=m CONFIG_USB_SERIAL_CP2101=m CONFIG_USB_SERIAL_CYPRESS_M8=m CONFIG_USB_SERIAL_CYBERJACK=m CONFIG_USB_SERIAL_DIGI_ACCELEPORT=m CONFIG_USB_SERIAL_EDGEPORT=m CONFIG_USB_SERIAL_EDGEPORT_TI=m CONFIG_USB_SERIAL_EMPEG=m CONFIG_USB_SERIAL_FTDI_SIO=m CONFIG_USB_SERIAL_FUNSOFT=m CONFIG_USB_SERIAL_GARMIN=m CONFIG_USB_SERIAL_HP4X=m CONFIG_USB_SERIAL_IPAQ=m CONFIG_USB_SERIAL_IPW=m CONFIG_USB_SERIAL_IR=m CONFIG_USB_SERIAL_KEYSPAN_PDA=m CONFIG_USB_SERIAL_KEYSPAN=m CONFIG_USB_SERIAL_KEYSPAN_MPR=y CONFIG_USB_SERIAL_KEYSPAN_USA28=y CONFIG_USB_SERIAL_KEYSPAN_USA28X=y CONFIG_USB_SERIAL_KEYSPAN_USA28XA=y CONFIG_USB_SERIAL_KEYSPAN_USA28XB=y CONFIG_USB_SERIAL_KEYSPAN_USA19=y CONFIG_USB_SERIAL_KEYSPAN_USA18X=y CONFIG_USB_SERIAL_KEYSPAN_USA19W=y CONFIG_USB_SERIAL_KEYSPAN_USA19QW=y CONFIG_USB_SERIAL_KEYSPAN_USA19QI=y CONFIG_USB_SERIAL_KEYSPAN_USA49W=y CONFIG_USB_SERIAL_KEYSPAN_USA49WLC=y CONFIG_USB_SERIAL_KLSI=m CONFIG_USB_SERIAL_KOBIL_SCT=m CONFIG_USB_SERIAL_MCT_U232=m CONFIG_USB_SERIAL_NAVMAN=m CONFIG_USB_SERIAL_OPTION=y CONFIG_USB_SERIAL_OMNINET=m CONFIG_USB_SERIAL_PL2303=m CONFIG_USB_SERIAL_SAFE=m CONFIG_USB_SERIAL_SAFE_PADDED=y CONFIG_USB_SERIAL_SIERRAWIRELESS=y CONFIG_USB_SERIAL_TI=m CONFIG_USB_SERIAL_VISOR=m CONFIG_USB_SERIAL_WHITEHEAT=m CONFIG_USB_SERIAL_XIRCOM=m CONFIG_USB_EZUSB=y CONFIG_USB_EMI62=m CONFIG_USB_LED=m # CONFIG_USB_CYPRESS_CY7C63 is not set CONFIG_USB_G_SERIAL=m # # USB Miscellaneous drivers # CONFIG_USB_EMI26=m CONFIG_USB_AUERSWALD=m CONFIG_USB_RIO500=m CONFIG_USB_LCD=m CONFIG_USB_TEST=m # CONFIG_USB_GADGET is not set # CONFIG_USB_GADGET_PXA2XX is not set # CONFIG_USB_GADGET_GOKU is not set CONFIG_USB_ZERO=m CONFIG_USB_ETH=m # CONFIG_USB_GADGETFS is not set CONFIG_USB_W9968CF=m CONFIG_USB_ZC0301=m CONFIG_USB_PWC=m # CONFIG_USB_PWC_DEBUG is not set CONFIG_USB_LEGOTOWER=m CONFIG_USB_FILE_STORAGE=m # CONFIG_USB_FILE_STORAGE_TEST is not set CONFIG_USB_ATI_REMOTE=m CONFIG_USB_ATI_REMOTE2=m CONFIG_USB_ALI_M5632=y # CONFIG_USB_CYTHERM is not set CONFIG_USB_APPLEDISPLAY=m CONFIG_USB_PHIDGETSERVO=m CONFIG_USB_SL811_HCD=m CONFIG_USB_PHIDGETKIT=m CONFIG_USB_MON=y CONFIG_USB_SISUSBVGA=m CONFIG_USB_SISUSBVGA_CON=y CONFIG_USB_ISP116X_HCD=m CONFIG_USB_ACECAD=m CONFIG_USB_ATM=m CONFIG_USB_CXACRU=m CONFIG_USB_XUSBATM=m CONFIG_USB_UEAGLEATM=m CONFIG_USB_KEYSPAN_REMOTE=m CONFIG_USB_LD=m CONFIG_USB_APPLETOUCH=m CONFIG_USB_TOUCHSCREEN=m CONFIG_USB_QUICKCAM_MESSENGER=m CONFIG_USB_HIDINPUT_POWERBOOK=y # # File systems # CONFIG_EXT2_FS=y CONFIG_EXT2_FS_XATTR=y CONFIG_EXT2_FS_POSIX_ACL=y CONFIG_EXT2_FS_SECURITY=y CONFIG_EXT2_FS_XIP=y CONFIG_EXT3_FS=m CONFIG_EXT3_FS_XATTR=y CONFIG_EXT3_FS_POSIX_ACL=y CONFIG_EXT3_FS_SECURITY=y CONFIG_JBD=m # CONFIG_JBD_DEBUG is not set CONFIG_FS_MBCACHE=y CONFIG_REISERFS_FS=m # CONFIG_REISERFS_CHECK is not set CONFIG_REISERFS_PROC_INFO=y CONFIG_REISERFS_FS_XATTR=y CONFIG_REISERFS_FS_POSIX_ACL=y CONFIG_REISERFS_FS_SECURITY=y CONFIG_JFS_FS=m # CONFIG_JFS_DEBUG is not set # CONFIG_JFS_STATISTICS is not set CONFIG_JFS_POSIX_ACL=y CONFIG_JFS_SECURITY=y CONFIG_XFS_FS=m # CONFIG_XFS_RT is not set CONFIG_XFS_QUOTA=y CONFIG_XFS_POSIX_ACL=y CONFIG_XFS_SECURITY=y CONFIG_MINIX_FS=m CONFIG_ROMFS_FS=m CONFIG_QUOTA=y # CONFIG_QFMT_V1 is not set CONFIG_QFMT_V2=y CONFIG_QUOTACTL=y CONFIG_AUTOFS_FS=m CONFIG_AUTOFS4_FS=m # # CD-ROM/DVD Filesystems # CONFIG_ISO9660_FS=y CONFIG_JOLIET=y CONFIG_ZISOFS=y CONFIG_ZISOFS_FS=y CONFIG_UDF_FS=m # # DOS/FAT/NT Filesystems # CONFIG_FAT_FS=m CONFIG_MSDOS_FS=m CONFIG_VFAT_FS=m CONFIG_FAT_DEFAULT_CODEPAGE=437 CONFIG_FAT_DEFAULT_IOCHARSET="ascii" # CONFIG_NTFS_FS is not set # # Pseudo filesystems # CONFIG_PROC_FS=y CONFIG_PROC_KCORE=y CONFIG_TMPFS=y CONFIG_HUGETLBFS=y CONFIG_HUGETLB_PAGE=y CONFIG_RAMFS=y CONFIG_DEBUG_FS=y # # Miscellaneous filesystems # # CONFIG_ADFS_FS is not seta CONFIG_AFFS_FS=m # uses sleepon and needs a major update CONFIG_HFS_FS=m CONFIG_HFSPLUS_FS=m CONFIG_BEFS_FS=m # CONFIG_BEFS_DEBUG is not set CONFIG_BFS_FS=m CONFIG_EFS_FS=m # CONFIG_JFFS_FS is not set CONFIG_JFFS2_FS=m CONFIG_JFFS2_FS_DEBUG=0 # CONFIG_JFFS2_COMPRESSION_OPTIONS is not set CONFIG_JFFS2_FS_WRITEBUFFER=y CONFIG_JFFS2_SUMMARY=y # CONFIG_JFFS2_FS_XATTR is not set CONFIG_CRAMFS=m CONFIG_SQUASHFS=m # CONFIG_SQUASHFS_EMBEDDED is not set CONFIG_VXFS_FS=m # CONFIG_HPFS_FS is not set CONFIG_QNX4FS_FS=m # CONFIG_QNX4FS_RW is not set CONFIG_SYSV_FS=m CONFIG_UFS_FS=m # CONFIG_UFS_FS_WRITE is not set # CONFIG_UFS_DEBUG is not set CONFIG_9P_FS=m CONFIG_FUSE_FS=m # # Network File Systems # CONFIG_NFS_FS=m CONFIG_NFS_V3=y CONFIG_NFS_V3_ACL=y CONFIG_NFS_V4=y CONFIG_NFS_DIRECTIO=y CONFIG_NFSD=m CONFIG_NFSD_V3=y CONFIG_NFSD_V3_ACL=y CONFIG_NFSD_V4=y CONFIG_NFSD_TCP=y CONFIG_LOCKD=m CONFIG_LOCKD_V4=y CONFIG_EXPORTFS=m CONFIG_SUNRPC=m CONFIG_SUNRPC_GSS=m CONFIG_RPCSEC_GSS_KRB5=m CONFIG_RPCSEC_GSS_SPKM3=m # CONFIG_SMB_FS is not set # CONFIG_SMB_NLS_DEFAULT is not set CONFIG_CIFS=m # CONFIG_CIFS_STATS is not set # CONFIG_CIFS_EXPERIMENTAL is not set CONFIG_CIFS_XATTR=y CONFIG_CIFS_POSIX=y CONFIG_CIFS_WEAK_PW_HASH=y # CONFIG_CIFS_DEBUG2 is not set CONFIG_NCP_FS=m CONFIG_NCPFS_PACKET_SIGNING=y CONFIG_NCPFS_IOCTL_LOCKING=y CONFIG_NCPFS_STRONG=y CONFIG_NCPFS_NFS_NS=y CONFIG_NCPFS_OS2_NS=y CONFIG_NCPFS_SMALLDOS=y CONFIG_NCPFS_NLS=y CONFIG_NCPFS_EXTRAS=y CONFIG_CODA_FS=m # CONFIG_CODA_FS_OLD_API is not set # CONFIG_AFS_FS is not set # CONFIG_RXRPC is not set CONFIG_OCFS2_FS=m # CONFIG_OCFS2_DEBUG_MASKLOG is not set CONFIG_CONFIGFS_FS=m CONFIG_DLM=m CONFIG_DLM_DEBUG=y CONFIG_GFS2_FS=m CONFIG_GFS2_FS_LOCKING_NOLOCK=m CONFIG_GFS2_FS_LOCKING_DLM=m # # Partition Types # CONFIG_PARTITION_ADVANCED=y # CONFIG_ACORN_PARTITION is not set CONFIG_OSF_PARTITION=y CONFIG_AMIGA_PARTITION=y # CONFIG_ATARI_PARTITION is not set CONFIG_MAC_PARTITION=y CONFIG_MSDOS_PARTITION=y CONFIG_BSD_DISKLABEL=y CONFIG_MINIX_SUBPARTITION=y CONFIG_SOLARIS_X86_PARTITION=y CONFIG_UNIXWARE_DISKLABEL=y # CONFIG_LDM_PARTITION is not set CONFIG_SGI_PARTITION=y # CONFIG_ULTRIX_PARTITION is not set CONFIG_SUN_PARTITION=y CONFIG_EFI_PARTITION=y CONFIG_KARMA_PARTITION=y CONFIG_NLS=y # # Native Language Support # CONFIG_NLS_DEFAULT="utf8" CONFIG_NLS_CODEPAGE_437=y CONFIG_NLS_CODEPAGE_737=m CONFIG_NLS_CODEPAGE_775=m CONFIG_NLS_CODEPAGE_850=m CONFIG_NLS_CODEPAGE_852=m CONFIG_NLS_CODEPAGE_855=m CONFIG_NLS_CODEPAGE_857=m CONFIG_NLS_CODEPAGE_860=m CONFIG_NLS_CODEPAGE_861=m CONFIG_NLS_CODEPAGE_862=m CONFIG_NLS_CODEPAGE_863=m CONFIG_NLS_CODEPAGE_864=m CONFIG_NLS_CODEPAGE_865=m CONFIG_NLS_CODEPAGE_866=m CONFIG_NLS_CODEPAGE_869=m CONFIG_NLS_CODEPAGE_936=m CONFIG_NLS_CODEPAGE_950=m CONFIG_NLS_CODEPAGE_932=m CONFIG_NLS_CODEPAGE_949=m CONFIG_NLS_CODEPAGE_874=m CONFIG_NLS_ISO8859_8=m CONFIG_NLS_CODEPAGE_1250=m CONFIG_NLS_CODEPAGE_1251=m CONFIG_NLS_ISO8859_1=m CONFIG_NLS_ISO8859_2=m CONFIG_NLS_ISO8859_3=m CONFIG_NLS_ISO8859_4=m CONFIG_NLS_ISO8859_5=m CONFIG_NLS_ISO8859_6=m CONFIG_NLS_ISO8859_7=m CONFIG_NLS_ISO8859_9=m CONFIG_NLS_ISO8859_13=m CONFIG_NLS_ISO8859_14=m CONFIG_NLS_ISO8859_15=m CONFIG_NLS_KOI8_R=m CONFIG_NLS_KOI8_U=m CONFIG_NLS_UTF8=m CONFIG_NLS_ASCII=y # # Profiling support # CONFIG_PROFILING=y CONFIG_OPROFILE=m # # Kernel hacking # CONFIG_DEBUG_KERNEL=y CONFIG_MAGIC_SYSRQ=y CONFIG_DEBUG_INFO=y # CONFIG_FRAME_POINTER is not set CONFIG_CC_OPTIMIZE_FOR_SIZE=y # CONFIG_DEBUG_DRIVER is not set # CONFIG_RCU_TORTURE_TEST is not set # Turn off these debug options for production kernels. # CONFIG_DEBUG_SLAB is not set # CONFIG_DEBUG_MUTEXES is not set # CONFIG_DEBUG_RT_MUTEXES is not set # CONFIG_RT_MUTEX_TESTER is not set # CONFIG_DEBUG_RWSEMS is not set # CONFIG_DEBUG_LOCK_ALLOC is not set # CONFIG_PROVE_LOCKING is not set # CONFIG_DEBUG_LOCKDEP is not set # CONFIG_DEBUG_LOCKING_API_SELFTESTS is not set # These debug options are deliberatly left on. # They aren't that much of a performance impact, and the value # from getting out-of-tree modules fixed is worth the trade-off. CONFIG_DEBUG_HIGHMEM=y CONFIG_BOOT_DELAY=y # CONFIG_DEBUG_VM is not set # # Security options # CONFIG_SECURITY=y CONFIG_SECURITY_NETWORK=y # CONFIG_SECURITY_NETWORK_XFRM is not set # CONFIG_SECURITY_ROOTPLUG is not set CONFIG_SECURITY_SELINUX=y CONFIG_SECURITY_SELINUX_BOOTPARAM=y CONFIG_SECURITY_SELINUX_DISABLE=y CONFIG_SECURITY_SELINUX_DEVELOP=y CONFIG_SECURITY_SELINUX_AVC_STATS=y CONFIG_SECURITY_SELINUX_BOOTPARAM_VALUE=1 CONFIG_SECURITY_SELINUX_CHECKREQPROT_VALUE=1 # CONFIG_SECURITY_SELINUX_ENABLE_SECMARK_DEFAULT is not set # CONFIG_SECURITY_SECLVL is not set CONFIG_AUDIT=y CONFIG_AUDITSYSCALL=y # # Cryptographic options # CONFIG_CRYPTO=y CONFIG_CRYPTO_HMAC=y CONFIG_CRYPTO_NULL=m CONFIG_CRYPTO_MD4=m CONFIG_CRYPTO_MD5=m CONFIG_CRYPTO_SHA1=y CONFIG_CRYPTO_SHA256=m CONFIG_CRYPTO_SHA512=m CONFIG_CRYPTO_DES=m CONFIG_CRYPTO_BLOWFISH=m CONFIG_CRYPTO_TWOFISH=m CONFIG_CRYPTO_SERPENT=m CONFIG_CRYPTO_AES=m CONFIG_CRYPTO_CAST5=m CONFIG_CRYPTO_CAST6=m CONFIG_CRYPTO_DEFLATE=m CONFIG_CRYPTO_ARC4=m CONFIG_CRYPTO_MICHAEL_MIC=m # CONFIG_CRYPTO_TEST is not set # FIXME: Change following two options back to =m post-FC6 CONFIG_LIBCRC32C=y CONFIG_CRYPTO_CRC32C=y CONFIG_CRYPTO_TEA=m CONFIG_CRYPTO_KHAZAD=m CONFIG_CRYPTO_WP512=m CONFIG_CRYPTO_ANUBIS=m CONFIG_CRYPTO_TGR192=m CONFIG_CRYPTO_SIGNATURE=y CONFIG_CRYPTO_SIGNATURE_DSA=y CONFIG_CRYPTO_MPILIB=y # # Library routines # CONFIG_CRC16=m CONFIG_CRC32=m CONFIG_CRC_CCITT=m CONFIG_ZLIB_INFLATE=y CONFIG_ZLIB_DEFLATE=m CONFIG_INITRAMFS_SOURCE="" CONFIG_KEYS=y CONFIG_KEYS_DEBUG_PROC_KEYS=y CONFIG_CDROM_PKTCDVD=m CONFIG_CDROM_PKTCDVD_BUFFERS=8 # CONFIG_CDROM_PKTCDVD_WCACHE is not set CONFIG_ATA_OVER_ETH=m CONFIG_BACKLIGHT_LCD_SUPPORT=y CONFIG_BACKLIGHT_CLASS_DEVICE=m CONFIG_BACKLIGHT_DEVICE=y CONFIG_LCD_CLASS_DEVICE=m CONFIG_LCD_DEVICE=y CONFIG_SCHEDSTATS=y CONFIG_TUX=m CONFIG_TUX_EXTCGI=y CONFIG_TUX_EXTENDED_LOG=y # CONFIG_TUX_DEBUG is not set CONFIG_CPUSETS=y CONFIG_RELAY=y # CONFIG_SECCOMP is not set # CONFIG_HZ_100 is not set # CONFIG_HZ_250 is not set CONFIG_HZ_1000=y CONFIG_HZ=1000 # CONFIG_PRINTK_TIME is not set CONFIG_DETECT_SOFTLOCKUP=y CONFIG_KEXEC=y CONFIG_HWMON=m # CONFIG_HWMON_DEBUG_CHIP is not set CONFIG_INOTIFY=y CONFIG_INOTIFY_USER=y CONFIG_CONNECTOR=y CONFIG_PROC_EVENTS=y CONFIG_IBMASR=m CONFIG_PM_LEGACY=y # CONFIG_PM_DEBUG is not set # CONFIG_PM_TRACE is not set CONFIG_CRASH=m ## BEGIN ISA Junk. # CONFIG_I82365 is not set # CONFIG_TCIC is not set # CONFIG_PCMCIA_PROBE is not set # CONFIG_LTPC is not set # CONFIG_COPS is not set CONFIG_SCSI_AHA152X=m CONFIG_SCSI_AHA1542=m # CONFIG_SCSI_IN2000 is not set # CONFIG_SCSI_DTC3280 is not set # CONFIG_SCSI_GENERIC_NCR5380 is not set # CONFIG_SCSI_GENERIC_NCR5380_MMIO is not set # CONFIG_SCSI_NCR53C406A is not set # CONFIG_SCSI_PAS16 is not set # CONFIG_SCSI_PSI240I is not set # CONFIG_SCSI_QLOGIC_FAS is not set # CONFIG_SCSI_SYM53C416 is not set # CONFIG_SCSI_T128 is not set # CONFIG_SCSI_U14_34F is not set # CONFIG_SCSI_ULTRASTOR is not set # CONFIG_CD_NO_IDESCSI is not set # CONFIG_EL1 is not set # CONFIG_EL2 is not set # CONFIG_ELPLUS is not set # CONFIG_EL16 is not set CONFIG_EL3=m # CONFIG_3C515 is not set # CONFIG_LANCE is not set CONFIG_NET_VENDOR_SMC=y # CONFIG_WD80x3 is not set CONFIG_ULTRA=m # CONFIG_SMC9194 is not set # CONFIG_NET_VENDOR_RACAL is not set # CONFIG_NI52 is not set # CONFIG_NI65 is not set # CONFIG_AT1700 is not set # CONFIG_DEPCA is not set CONFIG_NET_ISA=y CONFIG_NE2000=m # CONFIG_E2100 is not set CONFIG_EWRK3=m # CONFIG_EEXPRESS is not set # CONFIG_EEXPRESS_PRO is not set # CONFIG_HPLAN_PLUS is not set # CONFIG_HPLAN is not set # CONFIG_LP486E is not set # CONFIG_ETH16I is not set # CONFIG_ZNET is not set # CONFIG_SEEQ8005 is not set # CONFIG_AC3200 is not set # CONFIG_APRICOT is not set # CONFIG_CS89x0 is not set # CONFIG_IBMTR is not set # CONFIG_SKISA is not set # CONFIG_PROTEON is not set # CONFIG_SMCTR is not set # CONFIG_WAVELAN is not set # CONFIG_HISAX_16_0 is not set # CONFIG_HISAX_AVM_A1 is not set # CONFIG_HISAX_IX1MICROR2 is not set # CONFIG_HISAX_ASUSCOM is not set # CONFIG_HISAX_TELEINT is not set # CONFIG_HISAX_HFCS is not set # CONFIG_HISAX_SPORTSTER is not set # CONFIG_HISAX_MIC is not set # CONFIG_HISAX_ISURF is not set # CONFIG_HISAX_HSTSAPHIR is not set # CONFIG_ISDN_DRV_ICN is not set # CONFIG_ISDN_DRV_PCBIT is not set # CONFIG_ISDN_DRV_SC is not set # CONFIG_ISDN_DRV_ACT2000 is not set # CONFIG_ISDN_DRV_AVMB1_B1ISA is not set # CONFIG_ISDN_DRV_AVMB1_T1ISA is not set # CONFIG_MOUSE_INPORT is not set # CONFIG_MOUSE_ATIXL is not set # CONFIG_MOUSE_LOGIBM is not set # CONFIG_MOUSE_PC110PAD is not set # CONFIG_SERIAL_8250_FOURPORT is not set # CONFIG_SERIAL_8250_ACCENT is not set # CONFIG_SERIAL_8250_BOCA is not set # CONFIG_SERIAL_8250_HUB6 is not set # CONFIG_PCWATCHDOG is not set # CONFIG_WDT is not set # CONFIG_VIDEO_PMS is not set # CONFIG_RADIO_CADET is not set # CONFIG_RADIO_RTRACK is not set # CONFIG_RADIO_RTRACK2 is not set # CONFIG_RADIO_AZTECH is not set # CONFIG_RADIO_GEMTEK is not set # CONFIG_RADIO_SF16FMI is not set # CONFIG_RADIO_SF16FMR2 is not set # CONFIG_RADIO_TERRATEC is not set # CONFIG_RADIO_TRUST is not set # CONFIG_RADIO_TYPHOON is not set # CONFIG_RADIO_ZOLTRIX is not set # CONFIG_SND_OPL4_LIB is not set # CONFIG_SND_AD1848_LIB is not set # CONFIG_SND_AD1816A is not set # CONFIG_SND_AD1848 is not set # CONFIG_SND_CS4231 is not set # CONFIG_SND_CS4232 is not set CONFIG_SND_CS4231_LIB=m CONFIG_SND_CS4236=m # CONFIG_SND_ES968 is not set # CONFIG_SND_ES1688 is not set CONFIG_SND_ES18XX=m # CONFIG_SND_GUS_SYNTH is not set # CONFIG_SND_GUSCLASSIC is not set # CONFIG_SND_GUSEXTREME is not set # CONFIG_SND_GUSMAX is not set # CONFIG_SND_INTERWAVE is not set # CONFIG_SND_INTERWAVE_STB is not set # CONFIG_SND_OPTI92X_AD1848 is not set # CONFIG_SND_OPTI92X_CS4231 is not set # CONFIG_SND_OPTI93X is not set # CONFIG_SND_SB8 is not set CONFIG_SND_SB16=m CONFIG_SND_SBAWE=m # CONFIG_SND_SB16_CSP is not set # CONFIG_SND_ALS100 is not set # CONFIG_SND_AZT2320 is not set # CONFIG_SND_CMI8330 is not set # CONFIG_SND_DT019X is not set CONFIG_SND_OPL3SA2=m # CONFIG_SND_SGALAXY is not set # CONFIG_SND_SSCAPE is not set # CONFIG_SND_PDAUDIOCF is not set CONFIG_SND_DARLA20=m CONFIG_SND_GINA20=m CONFIG_SND_LAYLA20=m CONFIG_SND_DARLA24=m CONFIG_SND_GINA24=m CONFIG_SND_LAYLA24=m CONFIG_SND_MONA=m CONFIG_SND_MIA=m CONFIG_SND_ECHO3G=m CONFIG_SND_INDIGO=m CONFIG_SND_INDIGOIO=m CONFIG_SND_INDIGODJ=m ## END of ISA options. CONFIG_UNWIND_INFO=y CONFIG_STACK_UNWIND=y # CONFIG_FORCED_INLINING is not set CONFIG_MIGRATION=y CONFIG_RESOURCES_64BIT=y CONFIG_NEW_LEDS=y CONFIG_LEDS_CLASS=y # CONFIG_LEDS_CORGI is not set # CONFIG_LEDS_LOCOMO is not set # CONFIG_LEDS_SPITZ is not set # CONFIG_LEDS_IXP4XX is not set # CONFIG_LEDS_TOSA is not set # CONFIG_LEDS_S3C24XX is not set # CONFIG_LEDS_AMS_DELTA is not set # CONFIG_LEDS_NET48XX is not set CONFIG_LEDS_TRIGGERS=y CONFIG_LEDS_TRIGGER_TIMER=m CONFIG_LEDS_TRIGGER_IDE_DISK=y CONFIG_LEDS_TRIGGER_HEARTBEAT=m CONFIG_DMA_ENGINE=y CONFIG_NET_DMA=y CONFIG_INTEL_IOATDMA=m # CONFIG_UNUSED_SYMBOLS is not set CONFIG_UTRACE=y CONFIG_PTRACE=y CONFIG_KPROBES=y # # Caches # CONFIG_FSCACHE=m CONFIG_CACHEFILES=m CONFIG_CACHEFILES_DEBUG=y CONFIG_NFS_FSCACHE=y # CONFIG_SECURITY_SELINUX_POLICYDB_VERSION_MAX is not set # CONFIG_MTD_NAND_CAFE is not set CONFIG_TOUCHSCREEN_TOUCHWIN=m CONFIG_ITCO_WDT=m # CONFIG_SMSC37B787_WDT is not set CONFIG_W83697HF_WDT=m CONFIG_SENSORS_K8TEMP=m CONFIG_SENSORS_VT1211=m CONFIG_VIDEO_HELPER_CHIPS_AUTO=y CONFIG_VIDEO_CX88_VP3054=m CONFIG_VIDEO_PVRUSB2_29XXX=m CONFIG_DVB_CORE_ATTACH=m CONFIG_DVB_USB_DIB0700=m CONFIG_DVB_FE_CUSTOMISE=m CONFIG_FB_INTEL_I2C=m CONFIG_SND_MTS64=m CONFIG_SND_AC97_POWER_SAVE=y CONFIG_USB_STORAGE_KARMA=m CONFIG_ZEROPLUS_FF=m CONFIG_USB_NET_MCS7830=m CONFIG_USB_SERIAL_AIRCABLE=m CONFIG_USB_SERIAL_MOS7720=m CONFIG_USB_SERIAL_MOS7840=m CONFIG_USB_ADUTUX=m CONFIG_USB_PHIDGET=m CONFIG_USB_FTDI_ELAN=m CONFIG_USB_TRANCEVIBRATOR=m CONFIG_MMC_TIFM_SD=m # CONFIG_EXT4DEV_FS is not set CONFIG_TMPFS_POSIX_ACL=y CONFIG_ECRYPT_FS=m # CONFIG_ENABLE_MUST_CHECK is not set CONFIG_HEADERS_CHECK=y # CONFIG_LKDTM is not set CONFIG_CRYPTO_ECB=m CONFIG_CRYPTO_CBC=m # CONFIG_CRYPTO_TWOFISH_586 is not set CONFIG_CRYPTO_DEV_PADLOCK_SHA=m CONFIG_PM_SYSFS_DEPRECATED=y CONFIG_PCIEAER=y CONFIG_HT_IRQ=y # CONFIG_XFRM_SUB_POLICY is not set CONFIG_INET_XFRM_MODE_BEET=m CONFIG_IPV6_MIP6=m CONFIG_INET6_XFRM_MODE_BEET=m CONFIG_INET6_XFRM_MODE_ROUTEOPTIMIZATION=m CONFIG_IPV6_SIT=m CONFIG_IPV6_MULTIPLE_TABLES=m CONFIG_NETFILTER_XT_TARGET_DSCP=m CONFIG_NETFILTER_XT_MATCH_DSCP=m # CONFIG_IP_DCCP_CCID2_DEBUG is not set # CONFIG_NET_DCCPPROBE is not set # CONFIG_SSFDC is not set # CONFIG_SGI_IOC4 is not aet CONFIG_TIFM_CORE=m CONFIG_TIFM_7XX1=m CONFIG_MSI_LAPTOP=m CONFIG_BLK_DEV_JMICRON=m CONFIG_SCSI_ARCMSR=m CONFIG_SCSI_STEX=m CONFIG_ATA=m # CONFIG_DM_DEBUG isnot set CONFIG_PCNET32_NAPI=y CONFIG_FORCEDETH_NAPI=y CONFIG_QLA3XXX=m CONFIG_KEYBOARD_STOWAWAY=m CONFIG_TOUCHSCREEN_PENMOUNT=m CONFIG_TOUCHSCREEN_TOUCHRIGHT=m CONFIG_VIDEO_PVRUSB2_29XXX=m CONFIG_DVB_CORE_ATTACH=m CONFIG_DVB_FE_CUSTOMISE=m CONFIG_FB_INTEL_I2C=m CONFIG_USB_U132_HCD=m CONFIG_USB_PHIDGETMOTORCONTROL=m # CONFIG_IPC_NS is not set # CONFIG_UTS_NS is not set # CONFIG_TASK_XACCT is not set # CONFIG_IPV6_MIP6 is not set # CONFIG_IPV6_MULTIPLE_TABLES is not set # CONFIG_SGI_IOC4 is not set CONFIG_SATA_AHCI=m CONFIG_SATA_SVW=m CONFIG_ATA_PIIX=m CONFIG_SATA_MV=m CONFIG_SATA_NV=m CONFIG_PDC_ADMA=m CONFIG_SATA_QSTOR=m CONFIG_SATA_PROMISE=m CONFIG_SATA_SX4=m CONFIG_SATA_SIL=m CONFIG_SATA_SIL24=m CONFIG_SATA_SIS=m CONFIG_SATA_ULI=m CONFIG_SATA_VIA=m CONFIG_SATA_VITESSE=m CONFIG_PATA_ALI=m CONFIG_PATA_AMD=m CONFIG_PATA_ARTOP=m CONFIG_PATA_ATIIXP=m CONFIG_PATA_CMD64X=m CONFIG_PATA_CS5520=m CONFIG_PATA_CS5530=m CONFIG_PATA_CS5535=m CONFIG_PATA_CYPRESS=m CONFIG_PATA_EFAR=m CONFIG_ATA_GENERIC=m CONFIG_PATA_HPT366=m CONFIG_PATA_HPT37X=m CONFIG_PATA_HPT3X2N=m CONFIG_PATA_HPT3X3=m CONFIG_PATA_ISAPNP=m CONFIG_PATA_IT821X=m CONFIG_PATA_JMICRON=m CONFIG_PATA_LEGACY=m CONFIG_PATA_TRIFLEX=m CONFIG_PATA_MPIIX=m CONFIG_PATA_OLDPIIX=m CONFIG_PATA_NETCELL=m CONFIG_PATA_NS87410=m CONFIG_PATA_OPTI=m CONFIG_PATA_OPTIDMA=m CONFIG_PATA_PCMCIA=m CONFIG_PATA_PDC_OLD=m CONFIG_PATA_QDI=m CONFIG_PATA_RADISYS=m CONFIG_PATA_RZ1000=m CONFIG_PATA_SC1200=m CONFIG_PATA_SERVERWORKS=m CONFIG_PATA_PDC2027X=m CONFIG_PATA_SIL680=m CONFIG_PATA_SIS=m CONFIG_PATA_VIA=m CONFIG_PATA_WINBOND=m # CONFIG_DM_DEBUG is not set CONFIG_VIDEO_PVRUSB2_29XXX=m # CONFIG_DVB_CORE_ATTACH is not set # CONFIG_DVB_FE_CUSTOMISE is not set CONFIG_FB_INTEL_I2C=y CONFIG_USB_STORAGE_KARMA=y CONFIG_ZEROPLUS_FF=y # CONFIG_VIDEO_PVRUSB2_29XXX is not set # CONFIG_INFINIBAND_AMSO1100 is not set # CONFIG_IA64_ESI is not set # CONFIG_MSPEC is not set # CONFIG_UDBG_RTAS_CONSOLE is not set # CONFIG_BRIQ_PANEL is not set # CONFIG_PPC_PASEMI is not set # CONFIG_INFINIBAND_EHCA is not set # CONFIG_HCALL_STATS is not set # CONFIG_PPC_PMAC is not set # CONFIG_PPC_MAPLE is not set # CONFIG_PPC_IBM_CELL_BLADE is not set # CONFIG_ADB_PMU_LED is not set # CONFIG_PMAC_SMU is not set # CONFIG_INPUT_FF_MEMLESS is not set # CONFIG_MONWRITER is not set # CONFIG_ZCRYPT is not set # CONFIG_ZCRYPT_MONOLITHIC is not set # CONFIG_CC_STACKPROTECTOR is not set # CONFIG_CRYPTO_TWOFISH_X86_64 is not set CONFIG_HIGH_RES_TIMERS=y CONFIG_GENERIC_TIME_VSYSCALL=y CONFIG_TIMER_STATS=y CONFIG_NO_HZ=y # CONFIG_RCU_TRACE is not set # CONFIG_RTC_HISTOGRAM is not set # CONFIG_BLOCKER is not set # CONFIG_LPPTEST is not set CONFIG_EVENT_TRACE=y # CONFIG_FUNCTION_TRACE is not set CONFIG_WAKEUP_TIMING=y # CONFIG_LATENCY_TRACE is not set # CONFIG_CRITICAL_PREEMPT_TIMING is not set # CONFIG_CRITICAL_IRQSOFF_TIMING is not set # CONFIG_WAKEUP_LATENCY_HIST is not set CONFIG_LATENCY_TIMING=y # CONFIG_DEBUG_STACKOVERFLOW is not set # CONFIG_DEBUG_STACK_USAGE is not set # CONFIG_REORDER is not set CONFIG_RT_MUTEX_TESTER=y # CONFIG_DEBUG_SPINLOCK is not set # CONFIG_DEBUG_SPINLOCK_SLEEP is not set # CONFIG_DEBUG_LIST is not set CONFIG_KVM=m CONFIG_SECURITY_CAPABILITIES=y CONFIG_REALTIME_CAPABILITIES=m CONFIG_SYSFS_DEPRECATED=y CONFIG_PARAVIRT=y # CONFIG_DEBUG_PARAVIRT is not set # CONFIG_RELOCATABLE is not set # CONFIG_PCI_MULTITHREAD_PROBE is not set CONFIG_TCP_MD5SIG=y CONFIG_NF_CONNTRACK_ENABLED=y CONFIG_NETFILTER_XT_TARGET_NFLOG=m CONFIG_NETFILTER_XT_MATCH_HASHLIMIT=m # CONFIG_IP_DCCP_CCID3_DEBUG is not set CONFIG_IP_DCCP_CCID3_RTO=100 CONFIG_SCSI_TGT=m # CONFIG_SCSI_SCAN_ASYNC is not set CONFIG_SCSI_SRP=m CONFIG_PATA_MARVELL=m CONFIG_PATA_WINBOND_VLB=m CONFIG_BROADCOM_PHY=m CONFIG_CHELSIO_T1_1G=y CONFIG_CHELSIO_T1_NAPI=y CONFIG_NETXEN_NIC=m CONFIG_TOUCHSCREEN_UCB1400=m CONFIG_MOXA_SMARTIO_NEW=m CONFIG_SERIAL_8250_EXAR_ST16C554=m CONFIG_ITCO_VENDOR_SUPPORT=y CONFIG_PC87413_WDT=m CONFIG_SENSORS_PC87427=m CONFIG_SENSORS_W83793=m CONFIG_VIDEO_CAFE_CCIC=m CONFIG_VIDEO_USBVISION=m CONFIG_DVB_USB_TTUSB2=m CONFIG_HID=m # CONFIG_USB_MULTITHREAD_PROBE is not set CONFIG_USB_HID_POWERBOOK=y CONFIG_USB_SERIAL_DEBUG=m CONFIG_KVM_INTEL=y CONFIG_KVM_AMD=y CONFIG_FAULT_INJECTION=y CONFIG_CRYPTO_XCBC=m CONFIG_CRYPTO_GF128MUL=m CONFIG_CRYPTO_LRW=m CONFIG_CRYPTO_DEV_GEODE=m CONFIG_NF_CT_ACCT=y CONFIG_NF_CONNTRACK_MARK=y CONFIG_NF_CONNTRACK_SECMARK=y CONFIG_NF_CONNTRACK_EVENTS=y CONFIG_NF_CT_PROTO_SCTP=m CONFIG_NF_CONNTRACK_AMANDA=m CONFIG_NF_CONNTRACK_FTP=m CONFIG_NF_CONNTRACK_H323=m CONFIG_NF_CONNTRACK_IRC=m CONFIG_NF_CONNTRACK_NETBIOS_NS=m CONFIG_NF_CONNTRACK_PPTP=m CONFIG_NF_CONNTRACK_SIP=m CONFIG_NF_CONNTRACK_TFTP=m CONFIG_NF_CT_NETLINK=m CONFIG_NF_CONNTRACK_IPV4=m CONFIG_NF_CONNTRACK_IPV6=m CONFIG_FAILSLAB=y CONFIG_FAIL_PAGE_ALLOC=y CONFIG_FAIL_MAKE_REQUEST=y CONFIG_FAULT_INJECTION_DEBUG_FS=y CONFIG_NF_CONNTRACK_PROC_COMPAT=y CONFIG_NF_NAT=m CONFIG_NF_NAT_SNMP_BASIC=m CONFIG_DEBUG_PREEMPT=y CONFIG_UID16=y # CONFIG_X86_PC is not set CONFIG_X86_GENERICARCH=y # CONFIG_X86_ELAN is not set # CONFIG_X86_VOYAGER is not set # CONFIG_X86_NUMAQ is not set # CONFIG_X86_SUMMIT is not set # CONFIG_X86_BIGSMP is not set # CONFIG_X86_VISWS is not set # CONFIG_X86_ES7000 is not set # CONFIG_M386 is not set # CONFIG_M486 is not set # CONFIG_M586 is not set # CONFIG_M586TSC is not set # CONFIG_M586MMX is not set CONFIG_M686=y # CONFIG_MPENTIUMII is not set # CONFIG_MPENTIUMIII is not set # CONFIG_MPENTIUMM is not set # CONFIG_MPENTIUM4 is not set # CONFIG_MK6 is not set # CONFIG_MK7 is not set # CONFIG_MK8 is not set # CONFIG_MCRUSOE is not set # CONFIG_MWINCHIPC6 is not set # CONFIG_MWINCHIP2 is not set # CONFIG_MWINCHIP3D is not set # CONFIG_MCYRIXIII is not set # CONFIG_MVIAC3_2 is not set CONFIG_NR_CPUS=32 CONFIG_X86_GENERIC=y CONFIG_X86_CMPXCHG=y CONFIG_X86_XADD=y CONFIG_X86_L1_CACHE_SHIFT=7 CONFIG_RWSEM_XCHGADD_ALGORITHM=y CONFIG_X86_PPRO_FENCE=y CONFIG_X86_WP_WORKS_OK=y CONFIG_X86_INVLPG=y CONFIG_X86_BSWAP=y CONFIG_X86_POPAD_OK=y CONFIG_X86_GOOD_APIC=y CONFIG_X86_INTEL_USERCOPY=y CONFIG_X86_USE_PPRO_CHECKSUM=y CONFIG_HPET=y CONFIG_HPET_TIMER=y CONFIG_HPET_EMULATE_RTC=y # CONFIG_HPET_RTC_IRQ is not set # CONFIG_HPET_MMAP is not set CONFIG_X86_LOCAL_APIC=y CONFIG_X86_IO_APIC=y CONFIG_X86_TSC=y CONFIG_X86_MCE=y # CONFIG_X86_MCE_NONFATAL is not set CONFIG_X86_MCE_P4THERMAL=y CONFIG_TOSHIBA=m CONFIG_I8K=m CONFIG_MICROCODE=m CONFIG_X86_MSR=m CONFIG_X86_CPUID=m CONFIG_EDD=m # CONFIG_NUMA is not set CONFIG_HIGHMEM=y CONFIG_HIGHMEM4G=y # CONFIG_HIGHPTE is not set # CONFIG_MATH_EMULATION is not set CONFIG_MTRR=y CONFIG_X86_PM_TIMER=y CONFIG_EFI=y CONFIG_EFI_VARS=y CONFIG_EFI_PCDP=y CONFIG_EFI_RTC=y CONFIG_REGPARM=y # CONFIG_PCI_GOBIOS is not set # CONFIG_PCI_GODIRECT is not set # CONFIG_PCI_GOMMCONFIG is not set CONFIG_PCI_GOANY=y CONFIG_I2O_BLOCK=m CONFIG_I2O_SCSI=m CONFIG_I2O_PROC=m CONFIG_I2O_CONFIG=y CONFIG_I2O_EXT_ADAPTEC=y CONFIG_I2O_EXT_ADAPTEC_DMA64=y CONFIG_I2O_CONFIG_OLD_IOCTL=y CONFIG_I2O_BUS=m CONFIG_APM=y # CONFIG_APM_IGNORE_USER_SUSPEND is not set # CONFIG_APM_DO_ENABLE is not set CONFIG_APM_CPU_IDLE=y # CONFIG_APM_DISPLAY_BLANK is not set CONFIG_APM_RTC_IS_GMT=y # CONFIG_APM_ALLOW_INTS is not set # CONFIG_APM_REAL_MODE_POWER_OFF is not set CONFIG_X86_FIND_SMP_CONFIG=y CONFIG_X86_MPPARSE=y CONFIG_ACPI=y CONFIG_ACPI_SLEEP=y CONFIG_ACPI_AC=m CONFIG_ACPI_BATTERY=m CONFIG_ACPI_BUTTON=m CONFIG_ACPI_FAN=y CONFIG_ACPI_PROCESSOR=y CONFIG_ACPI_THERMAL=y CONFIG_ACPI_ASUS=m CONFIG_ACPI_TOSHIBA=m # CONFIG_ACPI_DEBUG is not set CONFIG_ACPI_EC=y CONFIG_ACPI_POWER=y CONFIG_ACPI_SYSTEM=y CONFIG_ACPI_NUMA=y CONFIG_ACPI_BLACKLIST_YEAR=1999 CONFIG_ACPI_VIDEO=m CONFIG_ACPI_IBM=m CONFIG_PNPACPI=y CONFIG_ACPI_DOCK=m # CONFIG_ACPI_IBM_DOCK is not set CONFIG_ACPI_SBS=m # CONFIG_ACPI_SLEEP_PROC_SLEEP is not set # CONFIG_ACPI_HOTKEY is not set CONFIG_ACPI_CONTAINER=m CONFIG_CPU_FREQ=y CONFIG_CPU_FREQ_DEBUG=y # CONFIG_CPU_FREQ_DEFAULT_GOV_PERFORMANCE is not set CONFIG_CPU_FREQ_DEFAULT_GOV_USERSPACE=y CONFIG_CPU_FREQ_GOV_PERFORMANCE=y CONFIG_CPU_FREQ_GOV_POWERSAVE=m CONFIG_CPU_FREQ_GOV_USERSPACE=m CONFIG_CPU_FREQ_GOV_ONDEMAND=m CONFIG_CPU_FREQ_GOV_CONSERVATIVE=m CONFIG_CPU_FREQ_TABLE=y CONFIG_CPU_FREQ_STAT=m CONFIG_CPU_FREQ_STAT_DETAILS=y CONFIG_X86_ACPI_CPUFREQ=m # CONFIG_X86_ACPI_CPUFREQ_PROC_INTF is not set # CONFIG_X86_POWERNOW_K6 is not set CONFIG_X86_POWERNOW_K7=y CONFIG_X86_POWERNOW_K8=y # CONFIG_X86_GX_SUSPMOD is not set CONFIG_X86_SPEEDSTEP_CENTRINO=y CONFIG_X86_SPEEDSTEP_ICH=y CONFIG_X86_SPEEDSTEP_SMI=y CONFIG_X86_SPEEDSTEP_LIB=y CONFIG_X86_SPEEDSTEP_CENTRINO_ACPI=y CONFIG_X86_SPEEDSTEP_CENTRINO_TABLE=y # CONFIG_X86_SPEEDSTEP_RELAXED_CAP_CHECK is not set CONFIG_X86_P4_CLOCKMOD=m CONFIG_X86_LONGRUN=y # CONFIG_X86_LONGHAUL is not set # CONFIG_X86_CPUFREQ_NFORCE2 is not set CONFIG_X86_SMP=y CONFIG_X86_HT=y CONFIG_X86_BIOS_REBOOT=y CONFIG_X86_TRAMPOLINE=y # CONFIG_CRYPTO_AES_586 is not set CONFIG_CRYPTO_DEV_PADLOCK=m CONFIG_CRYPTO_DEV_PADLOCK_AES=m CONFIG_GENERIC_ISA_DMA=y CONFIG_SCHED_SMT=y # CONFIG_IRQBALANCE is not set CONFIG_SOFTWARE_SUSPEND=y CONFIG_PM_STD_PARTITION="" CONFIG_DEBUG_RODATA=y CONFIG_4KSTACKS=y # CONFIG_DEBUG_PAGEALLOC is not set CONFIG_PCI_DIRECT=y CONFIG_PCI_MMCONFIG=y CONFIG_PCI_BIOS=y CONFIG_HOTPLUG_PCI=y CONFIG_HOTPLUG_PCI_COMPAQ=m # CONFIG_HOTPLUG_PCI_COMPAQ_NVRAM is not set CONFIG_HOTPLUG_PCI_IBM=m # CONFIG_HOTPLUG_PCI_CPCI is not set # CONFIG_HOTPLUG_PCI_SHPC is not set # CONFIG_HOTPLUG_PCI_SHPC_POLL_EVENT_MODE is not set CONFIG_PM=y CONFIG_IPW2100_MONITOR=y CONFIG_IPW2200_MONITOR=y CONFIG_IPW2200_RADIOTAP=y CONFIG_IPW2200_PROMISCUOUS=y CONFIG_IPW2200_QOS=y CONFIG_I2C_ISA=m # CONFIG_X86_REBOOTFIXUPS is not set CONFIG_PHYSICAL_START=0x400000 CONFIG_DELL_RBU=m CONFIG_DCDBAS=m CONFIG_PC8736x_GPIO=m # CONFIG_NSC_GPIO is not set CONFIG_CS5535_GPIO=m CONFIG_EDAC=y # CONFIG_EDAC_DEBUG is not set CONFIG_EDAC_MM_EDAC=m CONFIG_EDAC_AMD76X=m CONFIG_EDAC_E7XXX=m CONFIG_EDAC_E752X=m CONFIG_EDAC_I82875P=m CONFIG_EDAC_I82860=m CONFIG_EDAC_R82600=m CONFIG_EDAC_K8=m CONFIG_SCHED_MC=y CONFIG_HW_RANDOM_INTEL=m CONFIG_HW_RANDOM_AMD=m CONFIG_HW_RANDOM_GEODE=m CONFIG_HW_RANDOM_VIA=m # CONFIG_COMPAT_VDSO is not set CONFIG_PHYSICAL_ALIGN=0x100000 # CONFIG_NOHIGHMEM is not set # CONFIG_HIGHMEM64G is not set From reuben.firmin at gmail.com Mon Jan 8 21:29:51 2007 From: reuben.firmin at gmail.com (reuben firmin) Date: Tue Jan 9 08:15:08 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Outputting same sound source to multiple cards simultaneously Message-ID: <5d259cb90701081829k235d8478pa65c59ab79207172@mail.gmail.com> Hoping somebody can give me some hints here... 1) I would like to configure amarok to play output to multiple soundcards simultaneously. One soundcard is connected to speakers next to my computer; the other is connected to wireless speakers over USB ( i.e. is a usb audio device). I can get either/or to work, but haven't figured out how to get them both to work simultaneously. 2) (not so important) I would like to further extend this so that mplayer can output to the desktop soundcard at the same time that amarok continues to play music to the USB audio device. Does anybody have advice and/or references to boilerplate config that'll accomplish these? Thanks, Reuben -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://music.columbia.edu/pipermail/linux-audio-user/attachments/20070108/e96d7bb1/attachment.html From cesare at poeticstudios.com Tue Jan 9 09:15:43 2007 From: cesare at poeticstudios.com (Cesare Marilungo) Date: Tue Jan 9 08:19:39 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] IanniX =?UTF-8?B?MC42MzjDnw==?= In-Reply-To: <45A38FFC.6030704@poeticstudios.com> References: <95896466-747B-4EB3-8048-A9E14D3EE65A@la-kitchen.fr> <45A37116.80002@linuxuse.de> <70a871c80701090343g29cf1851g41f97f9dd07254ad@mail.gmail.com> <45A38FFC.6030704@poeticstudios.com> Message-ID: <45A3A38F.6030300@poeticstudios.com> Cesare Marilungo wrote: > Dmitry Baikov wrote: >> On 1/9/07, Thierry Coduys wrote: >>> IanniX is a graphical score editor based on the previous UPIC >>> developed by Iannis Xenakis during the 70's. >> OMG, Iannis Xenakis!!! >> >> Seems like something I should definetely look at!!! >> >> >> Thank you for the announcement! >> I would never know there's such a thing without your letter. >> >> Regards, >> Dmitry. >> >> > Yeah. > I was just looking for something inspired by the UPIC. I also started > coding something by myself. > > I'll try this immediately. > > c. > This is inspiring. I have already made some noises with it through pure data. But why the 'Quit' menu item has been placed under 'Options' instead of 'File'? c. -- http://www.cesaremarilungo.com From mdeboer at iua.upf.edu Tue Jan 9 08:26:26 2007 From: mdeboer at iua.upf.edu (Maarten de Boer) Date: Tue Jan 9 08:29:44 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Outputting same sound source to multiple cards simultaneously In-Reply-To: <5d259cb90701081829k235d8478pa65c59ab79207172@mail.gmail.com> References: <5d259cb90701081829k235d8478pa65c59ab79207172@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20070109142626.5c20d325.mdeboer@iua.upf.es> On Mon, 8 Jan 2007 18:29:51 -0800 "reuben firmin" wrote: The problem here is that these soundcards are not guaranteed to be in sync. A slight different in samplerate will cause that on the long run, one card will need more buffers to play, while the other is still processing the previous one. I don't think there is any software that deals with this, though maybe I am mistaken. (Theoratically, by randomly 'throwing away' samples once in a while for the 'slower' soundcard, this problem could be solved) > Hoping somebody can give me some hints here... > > 1) I would like to configure amarok to play output to multiple soundcards > simultaneously. One soundcard is connected to speakers next to my computer; > the other is connected to wireless speakers over USB ( i.e. is a usb audio > device). I can get either/or to work, but haven't figured out how to get > them both to work simultaneously. > > 2) (not so important) I would like to further extend this so that mplayer > can output to the desktop soundcard at the same time that amarok continues > to play music to the USB audio device. > > Does anybody have advice and/or references to boilerplate config that'll > accomplish these? > > Thanks, > Reuben > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by MailScanner, and is > believed to be clean. > > -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. From dlphillips at woh.rr.com Tue Jan 9 08:40:58 2007 From: dlphillips at woh.rr.com (Dave Phillips) Date: Tue Jan 9 08:29:58 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Music: A little lullaby In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <45A39B6A.2000707@woh.rr.com> Nick Scheer wrote: > ...for when my little ones need a little extra help falling asleep... Thanks for sharing, Nick, that was a fun way to get going on a Tuesday. "More cowbell !", indeed. Btw, when the kids wake, do you start their day with Sid Vicious's version of My Way ? ;-) Best, dp From markus at herhoffer.net Tue Jan 9 09:18:02 2007 From: markus at herhoffer.net (Markus Herhoffer) Date: Tue Jan 9 09:26:39 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] iLok protection on Linux Message-ID: <45A3A41A.9050100@herhoffer.net> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA256 Hello! Is there any possibility to run legal purchased audio-software with iLok protection on Linux? Are there any free or official projects that implement iLok on Linux? Or are there any dirty hacks? Markus -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFFo6QauXdsp50C0vMRCAyQAKDPQj3cc0cZa6UpS7e7A4ouWNJEswCgwI4j 41csXdxIY76ZBP2+ypadcns= =0e8K -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From jamesmstone at gmail.com Tue Jan 9 09:20:22 2007 From: jamesmstone at gmail.com (James Stone) Date: Tue Jan 9 09:27:37 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] jack/bristol lockups.. In-Reply-To: References: <20070109092420.GA5483@moon.base> Message-ID: <20070109142022.GA5522@moon.base> No it happens however I close it.. but on WindowMaker, it doesn't show a normal close X in the corner, and pressing on it has no effect. Under Gnome, it locks up like I pressed ctrl-c. This is with the most recent version of Bristol.. 0.9.5-89. James On Tue, Jan 09, 2007 at 01:10:53PM +0100, Nick Copeland wrote: > Hm, this should not lock the system although with RT permissions then a > tight loop might have this effect and would be deemed a bug. Have you tried > just closing the window from the 'X' button in the titlebar? > > Regards, > > Nick. > > > >From: James Stone > >Reply-To: A list for linux audio users > > > >To: linux-audio-user@music.columbia.edu > >Subject: [linux-audio-user] jack/bristol lockups.. > >Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2007 09:24:20 +0000 > > > >I was trying out Bristol, and I can't work out how to stop it > >sanely.. I tried ctrl-c when playing explorer thru jack and the > >whole machine locked up.. any ideas? > > > >James > > _________________________________________________________________ > Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today it's FREE! > http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ > From paul at linuxaudiosystems.com Tue Jan 9 09:59:17 2007 From: paul at linuxaudiosystems.com (Paul Davis) Date: Tue Jan 9 10:00:05 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] iLok protection on Linux In-Reply-To: <45A3A41A.9050100@herhoffer.net> References: <45A3A41A.9050100@herhoffer.net> Message-ID: <1168354757.24499.32.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Tue, 2007-01-09 at 15:18 +0100, Markus Herhoffer wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA256 > > Hello! > > Is there any possibility to run legal purchased audio-software with iLok > protection on Linux? Are there any free or official projects that > implement iLok on Linux? Or are there any dirty hacks? there is no known support for iLok at all. Pace have been asked about porting it but say that there is no market to justify the effort. --p From listreader at lupulin.net Tue Jan 9 10:08:53 2007 From: listreader at lupulin.net (paul wisehart) Date: Tue Jan 9 10:11:46 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] working rt kernel and config examples? In-Reply-To: <1168304228.9894.67.camel@cmn3.stanford.edu> References: <20070108021618.GA2447@seraf.here.net> <1168304228.9894.67.camel@cmn3.stanford.edu> Message-ID: <20070109150853.GA2946@seraf.office.techtarget.com> On Mon, Jan 08, 2007 at 04:57:08PM -0800, Fernando Lopez-Lezcano wrote: > On Sun, 2007-01-07 at 21:16 -0500, paul wisehart wrote: > > Or, if any of you use CCRMA's -rt kernel, can you tell me how > > to get the config from it w/o downloading the whole distro? > > (and, which version it is) > > The latest version I have been testing is based directly on Ingo > Molnar's source packages for Fedora. > > (http://people.redhat.com/~mingo/realtime-preempt/yum/SRPMS/) > > His latest version, which seems to be stable in my limited testing (not > yet released on Planet CCRMA) is kernel-rt-2.6.20-rc3.1.rt0.0066.src.rpm > - based on 2.6.20-rc3. I'm attaching his .config file for i686 for your > reference. > That's exactly what I was looking for, thx :) -- paulw From markus at herhoffer.net Tue Jan 9 10:38:31 2007 From: markus at herhoffer.net (Markus Herhoffer) Date: Tue Jan 9 10:39:13 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] iLok protection on Linux In-Reply-To: <1168354757.24499.32.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <45A3A41A.9050100@herhoffer.net> <1168354757.24499.32.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <45A3B6F7.9030906@herhoffer.net> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA256 And what about Wine? If iLok only relies on cryptographic operations and not on dirty system dependent hacks, Wine would be the best and easiest way to run iLok on Linux. iLok runs on Receptor (which is Linux), so there must be a more or less official solution. CU Markus Paul Davis schrieb: > On Tue, 2007-01-09 at 15:18 +0100, Markus Herhoffer wrote: >> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >> Hash: SHA256 >> >> Hello! >> >> Is there any possibility to run legal purchased audio-software with iLok >> protection on Linux? Are there any free or official projects that >> implement iLok on Linux? Or are there any dirty hacks? > > there is no known support for iLok at all. Pace have been asked about > porting it but say that there is no market to justify the effort. > > --p > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFFo7b3uXdsp50C0vMRCDUMAJoCltuyE5x/+uLyuCfrb8UUsUJrwACbBVIp MjA9OXbBZvwj4JgKRvi3vU4= =Sw4c -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From paul at linuxaudiosystems.com Tue Jan 9 10:57:07 2007 From: paul at linuxaudiosystems.com (Paul Davis) Date: Tue Jan 9 10:57:24 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Music: A little lullaby In-Reply-To: <45A39B6A.2000707@woh.rr.com> References: <45A39B6A.2000707@woh.rr.com> Message-ID: <1168358227.24499.37.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Tue, 2007-01-09 at 08:40 -0500, Dave Phillips wrote: > Nick Scheer wrote: > > > ...for when my little ones need a little extra help falling asleep... > > Thanks for sharing, Nick, that was a fun way to get going on a Tuesday. > "More cowbell !", indeed. > > Btw, when the kids wake, do you start their day with Sid Vicious's > version of My Way ? ;-) we all sing the Pistol's God Save the Queen at breakfast in our household! From hardbop200 at gmail.com Tue Jan 9 14:23:23 2007 From: hardbop200 at gmail.com (Josh Lawrence) Date: Tue Jan 9 14:39:12 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] iLok protection on Linux In-Reply-To: <45A3B6F7.9030906@herhoffer.net> References: <45A3A41A.9050100@herhoffer.net> <1168354757.24499.32.camel@localhost.localdomain> <45A3B6F7.9030906@herhoffer.net> Message-ID: On 1/9/07, Markus Herhoffer wrote: > And what about Wine? If iLok only relies on cryptographic operations and > not on dirty system dependent hacks, Wine would be the best and easiest > way to run iLok on Linux. iLok runs on Receptor (which is Linux), so > there must be a more or less official solution. > > CU > Markus I think your best bet would be to contact Muse Research and ask them, since they have gone to the trouble to figure it out. The chances of them letting that information go is slim, but hey, you don't know until you try. -- Josh Lawrence http://www.hardbop200.com From folderol at ukfsn.org Tue Jan 9 14:48:36 2007 From: folderol at ukfsn.org (Folderol) Date: Tue Jan 9 15:07:26 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] LAM - it's back! In-Reply-To: <45A10184.4050705@woh.rr.com> References: <20070107125029.280cddaf@localhost> <45A10184.4050705@woh.rr.com> Message-ID: <20070109194836.476e01d8@localhost> Just in case anyone didn't know :) -- Will J G From steiner at block4.com Tue Jan 9 15:23:58 2007 From: steiner at block4.com (Malte Steiner) Date: Tue Jan 9 15:39:06 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] OT: more about (laptop) hum In-Reply-To: <200701081415.57309.smoak@mis.net> References: <45A27A56.1000703@block4.com> <200701081415.57309.smoak@mis.net> Message-ID: <45A3F9DE.5030507@block4.com> Hello, > He said he just tosses > them and buys new. What a waste > > So ask around the studios, broadcasters, ... in your area, if you can > solder or are willing to learn how. Might be able to get some free > that are repairable. I'm probably going to buy a soldering rig and > re-learn something I learned about 1958 but haven't done in 30 years. > > If you're in the US or Canada, contact me offline; I got a few I'll > give you if you'll fix some for me. I can't seem to toss bad cables. > Must be something about how scarce things were when I was growing up; > we fixed things that broke or did without. Thats a good attitude and I think its comming back. Thanks for the offer but I am from Germany. I used to solder my own cables in the 80s/90s but gave it up and usualy order them with new equipment. But I never tossed out any, I still repair cables on my own. Cheers, Malte -- Malte Steiner media art + development -www.block4.com- From millward at ms.umanitoba.ca Tue Jan 9 17:57:03 2007 From: millward at ms.umanitoba.ca (millward) Date: Tue Jan 9 17:57:27 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] KMix for Audiophile 24/96 Message-ID: <200701092258.l09Mwbb10453@localhost.localdomain> Thank you for the tip on envy24control. I got downloaded Alsa-tools and did the configure, make, make install and it looks real good ! Now maybe I can get something done with that sound card. From gnome at hawaii.rr.com Wed Jan 10 00:26:15 2007 From: gnome at hawaii.rr.com (david) Date: Wed Jan 10 00:26:29 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Interesting Article In-Reply-To: References: <200701081316.24268.smoak@mis.net> <45A2A1B5.10702@block4.com> <1168289348.2907.773.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <45A478F7.2000708@hawaii.rr.com> Jay Vaughan wrote: >> for pro-audio and music types, its actually getting very good. for >> regular consumers who just use desktop apps, its an incredible >> nightmare. > > Unless they pitch in under the Ubuntu tent, which I have found to be > perfectly usable, and at least comparable with Windows for setup, using > standard hardware (I'm on a Dell laptop, and it Just Plain Works for all > my Audio needs ..) My experience over the past 10 years with Dell hardware is ... whether or not it works depends on exactly which model Dell, exactly when it was manufactured, how much Dell tweaked the hardware to look good on PC Magazine performance tests, and probably the phases of the moon. My daughter has a Dell laptop, and none of the following distros run on it - Ubuntu, Kubuntu, Kanotix and Knoppix. They all get partway through the boot process and freeze. Windows XP Pro runs just fine on it. -- David gnome@hawaii.rr.com authenticity, honesty, community From ken at restivo.org Wed Jan 10 04:19:15 2007 From: ken at restivo.org (Ken Restivo) Date: Wed Jan 10 04:19:41 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Free society Revisited (Was: Vocoder) In-Reply-To: References: <20060723194236.21915.qmail@web36807.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <44C3E867.80904@joow.be> <44C40539.3060402@isonews2.com> <20070104201347.GB5435@charly.SWORD> <20070104203650.GC5435@charly.SWORD> Message-ID: <20070110091915.GB22212@bc.restivo.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Thu, Jan 04, 2007 at 09:40:54PM +0100, Carlo Capocasa wrote: > > > Got to. > > Not for Google, just sponsored by Google. > > Yeah... we really need to start persuading farmers and cereal > manufacturers and Pizza delivery people and builders and furniture > people and engineers (and-so-on) to start giving parts of *their* stuff > away for free. We're working on that. They're called alternative complementary mutual-credit currencies, and they will extend the Free Software-like gift economy to "meatspace" industries. Ephemeral things like software, music, writing, or ideas can be duplicated endlessly without taking anything away from anyone else, but hard things like food are more of a zero-sum game, so the current money system with its debt-based artificial-scarcity will never go away entirely. You also need concentration of wealth to build things like railroads, chip fabrication factories, etc. But we don't need it in all areas of life. Arguably in the area of food production, we need to move away from the massive centralized industrial model of farming and more towards local grown and organic/sustainable methods. Energy production could do with some localising and decentralising too. And we certainly can do with moving away from that industrial/centralised model in the area of wellness, healthcare, and many services. Some folks are already using complementary currencies for things like health care and rebuilding communities in areas which have been destroyed by competitive zero-sum currencies and the industries they grow. I'm going to be doing some work with some groups in NYC and in the Bay Area that are apparently having good success with this model. I'm also told systems like "LETS" are popular in the UK, Germany, and Australia, and in the USA there's TimeDollars. What is money? Money is information. Information wants to be free. You can see where this is going. Hard material goods will probably never be free, but the additional costs and side-effects of the debt-based money system might get dropped out of them. Why pay 18% (or whatever) for the "privilege" of accessing and using this information? We, free software and free culture hackers, can do better. Indeed, you will see people in many areas of life starting to "give parts of their stuff away for free"-- or at least for someting other than money as we know it today. A good primer on this is the appendix of this book: http://www.amazon.co.uk/Future-Money-Creating-Wealth-Wiser/dp/0712699910/sr=8-1/qid=1168419705/ref=sr_1_1/026-8366811-3268452?ie=UTF8&s=books The whole book is great. *ahem*... I think this revolution will remain for the next generation of you young folks to really push forward, but I expect it will be exciting. First Microshaft, then the RIAA and MPAA, and soon... the global banking system. In the meantime, there's a movement called "Community-Supported Agriculture" and you possibly may be able to barter with local organic farmers and take the money system-- the middleman-- out of it. - -ken -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFFpK+Te8HF+6xeOIcRAtCDAKDVSJt3nxyrWu0zRkVHfnsk8gZFtgCaAhZ1 9Vuioli4IOQUi/cFWqZSYaQ= =vP+Q -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From fuente at la-kitchen.fr Tue Jan 9 10:33:22 2007 From: fuente at la-kitchen.fr (Pierre Jullian de la Fuente) Date: Wed Jan 10 05:15:34 2007 Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Re:_[linux-audio-user]_IanniX_0.638=DF?= References: Message-ID: <169A2357-4034-4671-B895-9C7AE953B8CD@la-kitchen.fr> Hi, Thank you for your interest. Don't hesitate to send more comments if you experience troubles. Pierre J. > De : Dave Phillips > Date : 9 janvier 2007 14:05:54 HNEC > ? : A list for linux audio users > Objet : R?p : [linux-audio-user] IanniX 0.638? > R?pondre ? : A list for linux audio users user@music.columbia.edu> > > Thierry Coduys wrote: > >> We are proud to announce the release of IanniX-0.638 beta, >> available on sourceforge.net for Mac OS X, GNU/Linux and Windows. > > Nice to see an announcement re: IanniX. I've tried using it a few > times recently, starting with version 0.635, but I haven't had time > to really get into it. The examples will be most useful, I'm sure. > > Btw, I compiled it this morning on x86_64 hardware, with one > compile error. In src/network/OSCin/osc/OscReceiveElements.cpp I > changed to in lines 45, 60, and 61. The build > proceeded without incident and the resulting binary worked as > advertised. :) > > I always wanted to see something like UPIC for Linux. Thank you for > this software, now I look forward to figuring out how it works. :) > > Best, > > dp -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://music.columbia.edu/pipermail/linux-audio-user/attachments/20070109/cbc021cd/attachment-0001.html From fuente at la-kitchen.fr Tue Jan 9 10:33:20 2007 From: fuente at la-kitchen.fr (Pierre Jullian de la Fuente) Date: Wed Jan 10 05:15:41 2007 Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Re:_[linux-audio-user]_IanniX_0.638=DF?= References: Message-ID: <2C714499-DB5A-4689-B7F3-AD7971483855@la-kitchen.fr> Hi, The options menu will disapear in the next version of IanniX. Thanks for your report. Regards Pierre J. > A r?pondre sur la liste apr?s s'?tre abonn? > > D?but du message r?exp?di? : > >> De : Cesare Marilungo >> Date : 9 janvier 2007 15:15:43 HNEC >> ? : A list for linux audio users > user@music.columbia.edu> >> Objet : R?p : [linux-audio-user] IanniX 0.638? >> R?pondre ? : A list for linux audio users > user@music.columbia.edu> >> >> Cesare Marilungo wrote: >>> Dmitry Baikov wrote: >>>> On 1/9/07, Thierry Coduys wrote: >>>>> IanniX is a graphical score editor based on the previous UPIC >>>>> developed by Iannis Xenakis during the 70's. >>>> OMG, Iannis Xenakis!!! >>>> >>>> Seems like something I should definetely look at!!! >>>> >>>> >>>> Thank you for the announcement! >>>> I would never know there's such a thing without your letter. >>>> >>>> Regards, >>>> Dmitry. >>>> >>>> >>> Yeah. >>> I was just looking for something inspired by the UPIC. I also >>> started coding something by myself. >>> >>> I'll try this immediately. >>> >>> c. >>> >> This is inspiring. I have already made some noises with it through >> pure data. >> >> But why the 'Quit' menu item has been placed under 'Options' >> instead of 'File'? >> >> c. >> >> -- >> http://www.cesaremarilungo.com >> >> > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://music.columbia.edu/pipermail/linux-audio-user/attachments/20070109/c9627282/attachment.html From reuben.firmin at gmail.com Tue Jan 9 11:25:42 2007 From: reuben.firmin at gmail.com (reuben firmin) Date: Wed Jan 10 05:15:47 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Outputting same sound source to multiple cards simultaneously In-Reply-To: <20070109142626.5c20d325.mdeboer@iua.upf.es> References: <5d259cb90701081829k235d8478pa65c59ab79207172@mail.gmail.com> <20070109142626.5c20d325.mdeboer@iua.upf.es> Message-ID: <5d259cb90701090825i11d49236obb3ae5c6aacfc2e3@mail.gmail.com> With adequate buffering I think this shouldn't be a problem in my use case -- the speakers connected to the wireless device will be in a different room. You're not saying that a soundcard will get so far behind that the buffers will fill up, are you? Both soundcards are designed to output in ~"real time" after all. Thanks On 1/9/07, Maarten de Boer wrote: > > On Mon, 8 Jan 2007 18:29:51 -0800 > "reuben firmin" wrote: > > The problem here is that these soundcards are not guaranteed to be > in sync. A slight different in samplerate will cause that on the > long run, one card will need more buffers to play, while the other > is still processing the previous one. > > I don't think there is any software that deals with this, though > maybe I am mistaken. (Theoratically, by randomly 'throwing away' > samples once in a while for the 'slower' soundcard, this problem > could be solved) > > > > > Hoping somebody can give me some hints here... > > > > 1) I would like to configure amarok to play output to multiple > soundcards > > simultaneously. One soundcard is connected to speakers next to my > computer; > > the other is connected to wireless speakers over USB ( i.e. is a usb > audio > > device). I can get either/or to work, but haven't figured out how to get > > them both to work simultaneously. > > > > 2) (not so important) I would like to further extend this so that > mplayer > > can output to the desktop soundcard at the same time that amarok > continues > > to play music to the USB audio device. > > > > Does anybody have advice and/or references to boilerplate config that'll > > accomplish these? > > > > Thanks, > > Reuben > > > > -- > > This message has been scanned for viruses and > > dangerous content by MailScanner, and is > > believed to be clean. > > > > > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by MailScanner, and is > believed to be clean. > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://music.columbia.edu/pipermail/linux-audio-user/attachments/20070109/37ae5bca/attachment.html From ken at restivo.org Wed Jan 10 05:39:02 2007 From: ken at restivo.org (Ken Restivo) Date: Wed Jan 10 05:39:40 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] status of ams In-Reply-To: <45A12789.2050204@gmail.com> References: <45A0E71F.1030505@gmail.com> <20070107151125.0d6de159@localhost> <45A12789.2050204@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20070110103902.GD22212@bc.restivo.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Sun, Jan 07, 2007 at 06:02:01PM +0100, Atte Andr?? Jensen wrote: > Folderol wrote: > > >It gets nice results but seems a *lot* of effort to get them. > > If you're not used to modular synthesis, yes. Plus don't have a stock of > presets to load... > > >Also I'm > >used to fully polyphonic synths (both hardware & software). > > For the record ams is polyphonic, use -p when you start the program No F'in way.... [looks at man page]... wow, you're right! Dunno how I missed that when I first read the docs; must have een on info overload mode at the time. OK now I'm making AMS my main synth. I really like AMS, but what has stopped me from using it more has been what I thought was a lack of polyphony. With "--poly 6" I can get some killer pads going here. > > >>3) If you ever tried what did you love about it and what did you hate? > >>Did you find user friendly? Did it perform well? What I love about it is that it sounds a lot like an old modular synth! Works like one too, with control voltage. What I also love about it is that every little thing is MIDI controllable. I like to tweak knobs, and I've got a couple dozen of them on my M-Audio Keystation Pro 88. The MIDI assignment is pretty straightforward: put it in "follow MIDI mode", tweak a knob, then assign it to some parameter or another. Other software synths drive me crazy when I have to sit there with the mouse trying to grab a little circle on a screen... There are other nice things like the phaser being integrated in as a module. The sample patches and tutorial are great. It seems like a very deep package. > > > >Not at all user friendly - couldn't find any help information. > > This wasn't the purpose of this thread, but for the record there are > included example patches + > http://alsamodular.sourceforge.net/alsamodularsynth_doc.html > > >>4) To rephrase 2): If the project was resurrected, what would it take > >>for *you* to start using it. > > > >Doubtful that I'd be interested actually. I am using it, and now that I know how to make it polyphonic I will be using it a *lot* more. What are the things I'd like to see? 1) Standard keybindings for Load(Open?)/Save/Exit 2) Some way to have multiple patches going simultaneously, and to switch them via MIDI program changes. 3) Some way to quickly disconnect a module and eliminate all its connections, without right-clicking on each connection and then the module itself. 4) Did I mention that the right-clicking makes me crazy sometimes. Between AMS and Rezound I've had more than enough right-clicking. Left clicks would be nicer IMHO, like Om. 5) The ability to separate the sound engine from the GUI, like Om does. 6) I haven't figured out how to connect the velocity to, say, the attack time of an envelope. It may be possible already and I just don't know how to do it. 7) Oh, and if I don't have a particular LADSPA module present on my system, it'd be nice if AMS tried to at least connect the modules that *are* present (I believe Om does this correctly), instead of just giving up and connecting nothing at all. BTW, I have a dream of taking something like Om/Ingen, or a headless client/server version of AMS, and running it on a Linksys box with OpenWRT and a USB audio interface-- connected to a USB keyboard like the Keystation, and playing live with it. A $100 modular synthesizer module that fits in your pocket.... that'd rule... > > Fair enough! > > >>I'm interested in helping with > >>bringing it to a state where it's a bit more usable... > > > >Kudos to you if you do, but personally I'd be more interested in (what > >you're already doing with) ZynAddSubFX :) > > Well, first ams and zyn are quite different and would make a great > combo. Secondly it seems that zyn has problems that go so deep a > complete rewrite is needed for it to perform well in a jack/low > latency/realtime environment. And such a rewrite is totally out of my > league + the people that IMO could take on such a task choose not to, > probably because of the size of the task... Ah, thanks! That'd explain why one of my songs that has a Zyn pad in it was causing massive Xruns. I will avoid Zyn from here on. > > This means that I (put harshly) have to consider zyn dying, whereas to > me ams is more in hibernation... > > And I hope it comes out of hibernation soon... - -ken -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFFpMJGe8HF+6xeOIcRAvo7AKCnkxojp/cHrZlNqD4ZQUkz66lXEQCgmoag LX/yskKBygMspMtnSoSMFB4= =0uij -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From v2 at iki.fi Wed Jan 10 05:43:31 2007 From: v2 at iki.fi (Sampo Savolainen) Date: Wed Jan 10 05:43:59 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Outputting same sound source to multiple cards simultaneously Message-ID: <1168425811.45a4c353e9e54@www3.helsinki.fi> Quoting reuben firmin : > With adequate buffering I think this shouldn't be a problem in my use > case > -- the speakers connected to the wireless device will be in a different > room. You're not saying that a soundcard will get so far behind that the > buffers will fill up, are you? Both soundcards are designed to output in > ~"real time" after all. Buffering doesn't fix the problem at all. It will maybe postpone it, but nothing more. Being "out of sync" translates to the fact the soundcards will consume samples at different speeds. While the other one will consume 44101 samples per second, the other one might consume 44030 samples per second. Because of this, the sound emitting from the soundcards will drift apart. Also, the pitch of the sound will differ. Example: Just after 10 seconds, the 1st card in my example will be emitting sample 441010 (44101 * 10), and the other card will be emitting sample 440300 (44030 * 10). This means that if the original audio has been recorded at exactly 44100, the cards are already 0.016 seconds apart from eachother! (44030 is an example of a really crappy clock chip on a card, but it's not unheard of) Let me re-iterate: Without syncing the soundcards, this /will/ happen. This is not a legend or some far-fetched possibility that people speak of but which really never affects real life. Just imagine two wall-clocks. Can you really expect them to keep the exact same time over years of continuous running without anyone re-setting them? Sampo From k.s.matheussen at notam02.no Wed Jan 10 06:07:14 2007 From: k.s.matheussen at notam02.no (Kjetil S. Matheussen) Date: Wed Jan 10 06:07:38 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Outputting same sound source to multiple cards In-Reply-To: <20070110104400.0B9B45964476@music.columbia.edu> References: <20070110104400.0B9B45964476@music.columbia.edu> Message-ID: Sampo Savolainen: > > Quoting reuben firmin : > >> With adequate buffering I think this shouldn't be a problem in my use >> case >> -- the speakers connected to the wireless device will be in a different >> room. You're not saying that a soundcard will get so far behind that the >> buffers will fill up, are you? Both soundcards are designed to output in >> ~"real time" after all. > > Buffering doesn't fix the problem at all. It will maybe postpone it, but > nothing more. > I disagree. As reuben wrote, "with adequate buffering", it shouldn't be a poblem. If you buffer enough to postpone it long enough, this is a perfectly fine solution. I don't think we talk about many megabytes here, although I'm not sure exactly how much is needed, it depends how long time a continous play will last. From jayv at synth.net Wed Jan 10 06:40:09 2007 From: jayv at synth.net (Jay Vaughan) Date: Wed Jan 10 06:41:13 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] IanniX 0.638ß In-Reply-To: <95896466-747B-4EB3-8048-A9E14D3EE65A@la-kitchen.fr> References: <95896466-747B-4EB3-8048-A9E14D3EE65A@la-kitchen.fr> Message-ID: >Mac OS X UB >http://downloads.sourceforge.net/iannix/IanniX-0.638b-OSX.tgz?modtime=1168266460&big_mirror=0 Was anyone able to get this running on OSX? I have Qt installed through fink, and the standard 'qmake ; make' instructions of the IannixOSX package don't seem to work (I guess I need to get -framework QtGui in there somewhere..) Switching over to Linux to try it out there instead ... -- ; Jay Vaughan From fuente at la-kitchen.fr Wed Jan 10 08:05:38 2007 From: fuente at la-kitchen.fr (Pierre Jullian de la Fuente) Date: Wed Jan 10 08:05:57 2007 Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Re:_[linux-audio-user]_IanniX_0.638=DF?= In-Reply-To: References: <95896466-747B-4EB3-8048-A9E14D3EE65A@la-kitchen.fr> Message-ID: <5EFCBA55-6BC2-4E0F-A009-3C07F87D693B@la-kitchen.fr> Hi, We haven't tried to use qt throught fink You may try to compile it yourself after downloading the last version on the trolltech site http://www.trolltech.com/products/qt/downloads - cd in the qt-mac directory - in the 'projects.pro' file, eventually comment the lines related to examples and docs to save time if you don't need them... - type './configure -static -release' - then 'make' - then 'sudo make install' to copy the files in your '/usr/local' directory - cd in the IanniX directory - 'qmake' to generate the makefile from the .pro - then 'make' Regards Pierre J. >> Mac OS X UB >> http://downloads.sourceforge.net/iannix/IanniX-0.638b-OSX.tgz? >> modtime=1168266460&big_mirror=0 > > Was anyone able to get this running on OSX? I have Qt installed > through fink, and the standard 'qmake ; make' instructions of the > IannixOSX package don't seem to work (I guess I need to get - > framework QtGui in there somewhere..) > > Switching over to Linux to try it out there instead ... > > -- > > ; > > Jay Vaughan > > From chris at mccormick.cx Wed Jan 10 08:32:34 2007 From: chris at mccormick.cx (Chris McCormick) Date: Wed Jan 10 09:00:17 2007 Subject: [OT] Re: [linux-audio-user] Free society Revisited In-Reply-To: <20070110091915.GB22212@bc.restivo.org> References: <20060723194236.21915.qmail@web36807.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <44C3E867.80904@joow.be> <44C40539.3060402@isonews2.com> <20070104201347.GB5435@charly.SWORD> <20070104203650.GC5435@charly.SWORD> <20070110091915.GB22212@bc.restivo.org> Message-ID: <20070110133234.GC11763@mccormick.cx> On Wed, Jan 10, 2007 at 01:19:15AM -0800, Ken Restivo wrote: > Hard material goods will probably never be free, Best, Chris. ------------------- chris@mccormick.cx http://mccormick.cx From chris at mccormick.cx Wed Jan 10 08:42:40 2007 From: chris at mccormick.cx (Chris McCormick) Date: Wed Jan 10 09:10:46 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] status of ams In-Reply-To: <20070110103902.GD22212@bc.restivo.org> References: <45A0E71F.1030505@gmail.com> <20070107151125.0d6de159@localhost> <45A12789.2050204@gmail.com> <20070110103902.GD22212@bc.restivo.org> Message-ID: <20070110134240.GA12320@mccormick.cx> On Wed, Jan 10, 2007 at 02:39:02AM -0800, Ken Restivo wrote: > BTW, I have a dream of taking something like Om/Ingen, or a headless client/server version of AMS, and running it on a Linksys box with OpenWRT and a USB audio interface-- connected to a USB keyboard like the Keystation, and playing live with it. A $100 modular synthesizer module that fits in your pocket.... that'd rule... [plug] Well, it's a little bit more than $100, but this is a picture of a synthesizer-in-your-pocket connected to some midi controllers, which could easily be a midi keyboard instead. (gp2xPd running on a gp2x) Thanks to Jay for this image! [/plug] Best, Chris. ------------------- chris@mccormick.cx http://mccormick.cx From jayv at synth.net Wed Jan 10 09:28:00 2007 From: jayv at synth.net (Jay Vaughan) Date: Wed Jan 10 09:28:31 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] status of ams In-Reply-To: <20070110134240.GA12320@mccormick.cx> References: <45A0E71F.1030505@gmail.com> <20070107151125.0d6de159@localhost> <45A12789.2050204@gmail.com> <20070110103902.GD22212@bc.restivo.org> <20070110134240.GA12320@mccormick.cx> Message-ID: > > Yup .. and its a lovely little environment for audio hacking too, I might add .. and is bound to get better as we get gadget_audio, gadget_midi, MidiShare and rlyehs' minilib all working in such a way as to provide us a 'totally integrated' hardware platform for synth/plugin development .. -- ; Jay Vaughan From atte.jensen at gmail.com Wed Jan 10 09:39:48 2007 From: atte.jensen at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Atte_Andr=E9_Jensen?=) Date: Wed Jan 10 09:40:02 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] status of ams In-Reply-To: <20070110103902.GD22212@bc.restivo.org> References: <45A0E71F.1030505@gmail.com> <20070107151125.0d6de159@localhost> <45A12789.2050204@gmail.com> <20070110103902.GD22212@bc.restivo.org> Message-ID: <45A4FAB4.5040802@gmail.com> Ken Restivo wrote: > I am using it, and now that I know how to make it polyphonic I will > be using it a *lot* more. I'm glad you discovered --poly :-) > What are the things I'd like to see? 1) Standard keybindings for > Load(Open?)/Save/Exit Should be easy... > 5) The ability to separate the sound engine from the GUI, like Om > does. Well at least you can use -n (or --nogui) for starting without the gui. > 7) Oh, and if I don't have a particular LADSPA module present on my > system, it'd be nice if AMS tried to at least connect the modules > that *are* present (I believe Om does this correctly), instead of > just giving up and connecting nothing at all As far as I remember Om also gave up on this... > BTW, I have a dream of taking something like Om/Ingen, or a headless > client/server version of AMS, and running it on a Linksys box with > OpenWRT and a USB audio interface-- connected to a USB keyboard like > the Keystation, and playing live with it. A $100 modular synthesizer > module that fits in your pocket.... that'd rule... We all have different dream. I once dreamed of putting a ultra flexible modular synth setup together in csound and run it from live on a laptop controlled by 3 usb keyboards. Now this is something I've done routinely for over 3 years... > And I hope it comes out of hibernation soon... That would be nice... -- peace, love & harmony Atte http://www.atte.dk | quintet: http://www.anagrammer.dk | compositions: http://www.atte.dk/compositions From fuente at la-kitchen.fr Wed Jan 10 12:05:34 2007 From: fuente at la-kitchen.fr (Pierre Jullian de la Fuente) Date: Wed Jan 10 12:06:11 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] IanniX examples released Message-ID: Hi all, Some IanniX scores and PureData examples have been posted on the IanniX sourceforge page http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=174402 Please report any comment or suggestion. Regards Pierre J. From atte.jensen at gmail.com Wed Jan 10 13:23:48 2007 From: atte.jensen at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Atte_Andr=E9_Jensen?=) Date: Wed Jan 10 13:24:14 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] status of ams In-Reply-To: References: <45A0E71F.1030505@gmail.com> <20070107151125.0d6de159@localhost> <45A12789.2050204@gmail.com> <20070110103902.GD22212@bc.restivo.org> <20070110134240.GA12320@mccormick.cx> Message-ID: <45A52F34.3060708@gmail.com> Jay Vaughan wrote: > Yup .. and its a lovely little environment for audio hacking too, I > might add .. and is bound to get better as we get gadget_audio, > gadget_midi, MidiShare and rlyehs' minilib all working in such a way as > to provide us a 'totally integrated' hardware platform for synth/plugin > development .. Sounds interresting! Who are "we", what's the processor power like, is it DIY, and where can I read more about it? -- peace, love & harmony Atte http://www.atte.dk | quintet: http://www.anagrammer.dk | compositions: http://www.atte.dk/compositions From ken at restivo.org Wed Jan 10 14:47:56 2007 From: ken at restivo.org (Ken Restivo) Date: Wed Jan 10 14:57:08 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] status of ams In-Reply-To: <45A4FAB4.5040802@gmail.com> References: <45A0E71F.1030505@gmail.com> <20070107151125.0d6de159@localhost> <45A12789.2050204@gmail.com> <20070110103902.GD22212@bc.restivo.org> <45A4FAB4.5040802@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20070110194756.GE27673@bc.restivo.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Wed, Jan 10, 2007 at 03:39:48PM +0100, Atte Andr? Jensen wrote: > Ken Restivo wrote: > > >I am using it, and now that I know how to make it polyphonic I will > >be using it a *lot* more. > > I'm glad you discovered --poly :-) > Heh, well I got to excited too soon. Running some of the more complex modules like Dynamic Waves with --poly 6 causes my machine (1.66Ghz Core Duo) to lock up with 100% CPU usage. Also, I have to remember to turn off Follow MIDI mode before doing any kind of recording or performance, because if I don't, AMS segfaults. Also, running monophonic patches like the Bass patches with --poly mode causes some outragous distortion. It's like all voices are stacking on top of each other, and raising the level so high that even with the AGC inside the PCM output module, it still clips like crazy. But, hey, nothing's perfect, and it still sounds bitchen. Much fun has been had, and more will be soon. I suppose I should play with Om some more too. - -ken -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFFpULse8HF+6xeOIcRApYYAKC/Rj/4Sz2mhzqm8o1rRoOJpX7fDgCg9iDI Y++o1QyY3NMoFWp/7JlcS8Y= =13yY -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From st at tobiah.org Wed Jan 10 14:50:07 2007 From: st at tobiah.org (Tobiah) Date: Wed Jan 10 14:58:19 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Outputting same sound source to multiple cards simultaneously In-Reply-To: <5d259cb90701090825i11d49236obb3ae5c6aacfc2e3@mail.gmail.com> References: <5d259cb90701081829k235d8478pa65c59ab79207172@mail.gmail.com> <20070109142626.5c20d325.mdeboer@iua.upf.es> <5d259cb90701090825i11d49236obb3ae5c6aacfc2e3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <45A5436F.7020304@tobiah.org> > You're not saying that a soundcard will get so far > behind that the buffers will fill up, are you? Eventually yeah. Can you just use a 'Y' adapter to split the sound after the soundcard output? From jamesmstone at gmail.com Wed Jan 10 14:54:37 2007 From: jamesmstone at gmail.com (James Stone) Date: Wed Jan 10 15:01:27 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] absynth sound? Message-ID: <20070110195437.GA5660@moon.base> Hi everyone, I was just wondering if it is possible to emulate the sound of absynth under Linux, maybe with a pd module or an om patch?? I remember from back in the day when I used Windows (maybe 4 years ago now..), it had a really unique sound. I haven't really heard anything like it in Linux, and I am not really sure how it worked.. I know it would be possible to run the vst with libfst, but I would really prefer something native (excuse the pun!!) Impossible?? James From d_baron at 012.net.il Wed Jan 10 15:17:59 2007 From: d_baron at 012.net.il (David Baron) Date: Wed Jan 10 15:34:48 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] IanniX 0.638 In-Reply-To: <20070110195709.65FDC598F742@music.columbia.edu> References: <20070110195709.65FDC598F742@music.columbia.edu> Message-ID: <200701102217.59661.d_baron@012.net.il> Now, how does one use it? Like, getting stock objects up like staves, cleffs, notes, bars, etc.? From pinojazz at gmail.com Wed Jan 10 15:18:12 2007 From: pinojazz at gmail.com (Carlos Pino) Date: Wed Jan 10 15:35:01 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] absynth sound? In-Reply-To: <20070110195437.GA5660@moon.base> References: <20070110195437.GA5660@moon.base> Message-ID: <45A54A04.50209@gmail.com> James Stone escribio': > Hi everyone, > > I was just wondering if it is possible to emulate the sound of > absynth under Linux, maybe with a pd module or an om patch?? I > remember from back in the day when I used Windows (maybe 4 years > ago now..), it had a really unique sound. I haven't really heard > anything like it in Linux, and I am not really sure how it > worked.. I know it would be possible to run the vst with libfst, > but I would really prefer something native (excuse the pun!!) > > Impossible?? > > James > > Have you hear Zynadsubfx From most at museresearch.com Wed Jan 10 15:21:15 2007 From: most at museresearch.com (Michael Ost) Date: Wed Jan 10 15:42:11 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] iLok protection on Linux In-Reply-To: <20070110101558.0230F5962759@music.columbia.edu> References: <20070110101558.0230F5962759@music.columbia.edu> Message-ID: <45A54ABB.6040208@museresearch.com> > On 1/9/07, "Josh Lawrence" wrote: > I think your best bet would be to contact Muse Research and ask them, > since they have gone to the trouble to figure it out. The chances of > them letting that information go is slim, but hey, you don't know > until you try. We implemented iLok support in Receptor through a special arrangement with Pace, the makers of the iLok. We wrote a winelib DLL that accesses Pace's "secret sauce" code that Pace built against our 2.4.19 based kernel and usb libraries. So, at present, there is no general use support for it. But I am sympathetic to your goals and will ask Pace whether they are interested in general Linux support ... as time permits. But, frankly, we are a small shop and time doesn't permit much these days. You might do well to ask Pace yourself. They are at www.paceap.com. - Michael Ost Muse Research, Inc. From most at museresearch.com Wed Jan 10 15:22:48 2007 From: most at museresearch.com (Michael Ost) Date: Wed Jan 10 15:43:23 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] iLok protection on Linux In-Reply-To: <20070110101558.0230F5962759@music.columbia.edu> References: <20070110101558.0230F5962759@music.columbia.edu> Message-ID: <45A54B18.4040807@museresearch.com> > On 1/9/07, "Josh Lawrence" wrote: > I think your best bet would be to contact Muse Research and ask them, > since they have gone to the trouble to figure it out. The chances of > them letting that information go is slim, but hey, you don't know > until you try. We implemented iLok support in Receptor through a special arrangement with Pace, the makers of the iLok. We wrote a winelib DLL that accesses Pace's "secret sauce" code that Pace built against our 2.4.19 based kernel and usb libraries. So, at present, there is no general use support for it. But I am sympathetic to your goals and will ask Pace whether they are interested in general Linux support ... as time permits. But, frankly, we are a small shop and time doesn't permit much these days. You might do well to ask Pace yourself. They are at www.paceap.com. - Michael Ost Muse Research, Inc. From jayv at synth.net Wed Jan 10 15:31:23 2007 From: jayv at synth.net (Jay Vaughan) Date: Wed Jan 10 15:54:12 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] status of ams In-Reply-To: <45A52F34.3060708@gmail.com> References: <45A0E71F.1030505@gmail.com> <20070107151125.0d6de159@localhost> <45A12789.2050204@gmail.com> <20070110103902.GD22212@bc.restivo.org> <20070110134240.GA12320@mccormick.cx> <45A52F34.3060708@gmail.com> Message-ID: >>Yup .. and its a lovely little environment for audio hacking too, I >>might add .. and is bound to get better as we get gadget_audio, >>gadget_midi, MidiShare and rlyehs' minilib all working in such a >>way as to provide us a 'totally integrated' hardware platform for >>synth/plugin development .. >Sounds interresting! Who are "we", what's the processor power like, >is it DIY, and where can I read more about it? > We are the GP2X hackers, mostly collected around #gp2xdev on EFNet, the processor power is what you'd expect out of a dual-core ARM running at anywhere from 200mhz -> 275mhz (its an overclockers delight) with 64megs of RAM, the device itself is made by GamePark Holdings (http://gbax.com/) and you can read more about it here: http://www.gp32x.com/ and here: http://www.gp32x.com/board/ I'm currently working on a bootable SD image "distribution" for the GP2X that will give the user MidiShare+SDL/Cairo/SVG+g_audio,g_midi+[drivers not included in the stock firmware (powermate, usb-midi, etc.)], and will be announcing it in the near future on gp32x.com, where a great deal of hacking of the device is occurring. Its a fully open-source, Linux-based games machine, and soon it will be a fully open-source *portable battery-powered* Linux-based MIDI/Audio workstation, too .. It has both USB Device and USB Host ports, though to use USB Host you have to hack up your cable or buy the breakoutbox (currently available in a non-box'ed developers edition, soon to be consumer-friendly wrapped in a nice docking-station) .. fortunately its quite easy to make your own cable, I've done 4 so far myself for various things .. has serial i/o (console), JTAG, etc. also available on the EXT header too .. http://www.gp32x.com/board/index.php?showtopic=29323&hl= http://www.hackaday.com/2006/02/12/gp2x-usb-host-mode/ http://www.firestarter-music.de/gp2x/ http://www.gamersection.ca/product_info.php?products_id=272&language=1 http://flickr.com/photos/tschuktschuk/203837189/in/set-72157594220067743/ It already has some great music apps, incidentally, such as lgpt, milkytracker, gpx2xPd, and a few others - check the archives above for more details on such apps .. http://www.10pm.org/nostromo/lgpt/ http://mccormick.cx/projects/gp2xPd/ http://community.livejournal.com/littlegptracker/22419.html http://www.hackaday.com/2006/02/12/gp2x-usb-host-mode/ http://www.milkytracker.net/ http://www.hackaday.com/2006/03/08/qtopia-on-the-gp2x/ Hope thats pimp enough for you .. the more linux hackers that get a GP2X and get interested in it, the better! :) -- ; Jay Vaughan From v2 at iki.fi Wed Jan 10 15:43:39 2007 From: v2 at iki.fi (Sampo Savolainen) Date: Wed Jan 10 16:04:34 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Outputting same sound source to multiple cards simultaneously In-Reply-To: <5d259cb90701100838j46e1acdhd9afdb1b41538cda@mail.gmail.com> References: <1168425811.45a4c353e9e54@www3.helsinki.fi> <5d259cb90701100838j46e1acdhd9afdb1b41538cda@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1168461820.6356.24.camel@mustis> On Wed, 2007-01-10 at 08:38 -0800, reuben firmin wrote: > OK, so what is the workaround? Couldn't the card that is behind be > made to catch up between songs? Couldn't every 1000th sample be > dropped on the crappier card? Etc. In any case, in your example, the > cards would be about 1 second out of sync for every 20 minutes of play > time. In my use case, this really does not matter, as, again, the > speakers are in different rooms. If the software can be made to cope > (which it surely should be made to, if the problem is as prevalent as > you describe) then afaic there is no problem. There are programs which work around this issue by resampling the stream to the other sound card on the fly. These systems can work pretty well and can be a true solution when you can live with the loss of quality. I'm pretty sure there are applications which attempt to match sound cards which are not synched, but i wouldn't bet on finding an application which does /exactly/ what you are looking for. > I touched on this above. So how do I sync the cards? Is there a > specific method to do this with alsa? To sync cards, both cards need a common clock source. This is done in hardware. Professional soundcards use a protocol called "wordclock" which uses a terminated BNC cable between the cards to transmit the clock impulses. This can't be done in software. > If they were hardware being run by the same software on the same PC > then, yes, I would expect them to (be made to) stay in sync, > regardless of their mechanical quirks. Don't forget that your computer is 50% hardware. Not everything is controlled by software. The clock impulses I'm talking about are the clock impulses which trigger the AD / DA converters. The equivalent in a wallclock is the actual clock crystal which drive the mechanism. Sampo From atte.jensen at gmail.com Wed Jan 10 16:12:52 2007 From: atte.jensen at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Atte_Andr=E9_Jensen?=) Date: Wed Jan 10 16:25:26 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] status of ams In-Reply-To: References: <45A0E71F.1030505@gmail.com> <20070107151125.0d6de159@localhost> <45A12789.2050204@gmail.com> <20070110103902.GD22212@bc.restivo.org> <20070110134240.GA12320@mccormick.cx> <45A52F34.3060708@gmail.com> Message-ID: <45A556D4.70002@gmail.com> Jay Vaughan wrote: > the > processor power is what you'd expect out of a dual-core ARM running at > anywhere from 200mhz -> 275mhz In all it sounds very interesting. However 275mhz is a bit too slow for me. I was hoping to run rt audio generating apps, esp csound... -- peace, love & harmony Atte http://www.atte.dk | quintet: http://www.anagrammer.dk | compositions: http://www.atte.dk/compositions From jamesmstone at gmail.com Wed Jan 10 16:49:54 2007 From: jamesmstone at gmail.com (James Stone) Date: Wed Jan 10 16:50:07 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] absynth sound? In-Reply-To: <45A54A04.50209@gmail.com> References: <20070110195437.GA5660@moon.base> <45A54A04.50209@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20070110214953.GA5432@moon.base> On Wed, Jan 10, 2007 at 09:18:12PM +0100, Carlos Pino wrote: > James Stone escribio': > >Hi everyone, > > > >I was just wondering if it is possible to emulate the sound of > >absynth under Linux, maybe with a pd module or an om patch?? I > >remember from back in the day when I used Windows (maybe 4 years > >ago now..), it had a really unique sound. I haven't really heard > >anything like it in Linux, and I am not really sure how it > >worked.. I know it would be possible to run the vst with libfst, > >but I would really prefer something native (excuse the pun!!) > > > >Impossible?? > > > >James > > > > > Have you hear Zynadsubfx I have.. but perhaps I am not good enough at making patches.. Could you point me to some good examples? James From folderol at ukfsn.org Wed Jan 10 17:24:31 2007 From: folderol at ukfsn.org (Folderol) Date: Wed Jan 10 17:24:45 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] status of ams In-Reply-To: <45A556D4.70002@gmail.com> References: <45A0E71F.1030505@gmail.com> <20070107151125.0d6de159@localhost> <45A12789.2050204@gmail.com> <20070110103902.GD22212@bc.restivo.org> <20070110134240.GA12320@mccormick.cx> <45A52F34.3060708@gmail.com> <45A556D4.70002@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20070110222431.7bd8f6ae@localhost> On Wed, 10 Jan 2007 22:12:52 +0100 Atte Andr? Jensen wrote: > Jay Vaughan wrote: > > > the > > processor power is what you'd expect out of a dual-core ARM running at > > anywhere from 200mhz -> 275mhz > > In all it sounds very interesting. However 275mhz is a bit too slow for > me. I was hoping to run rt audio generating apps, esp csound... You are not comparing like for like. ARM processors raw number-crunch in FAR fewer clock cycles than x86 architecture. Typically 3x (I might be a little out of date with those figures). -- Will J G From atte.jensen at gmail.com Wed Jan 10 17:41:32 2007 From: atte.jensen at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?B?QXR0ZSBBbmRyw6kgSmVuc2Vu?=) Date: Wed Jan 10 17:41:49 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] status of ams In-Reply-To: <20070110222431.7bd8f6ae@localhost> References: <45A0E71F.1030505@gmail.com> <20070107151125.0d6de159@localhost> <45A12789.2050204@gmail.com> <20070110103902.GD22212@bc.restivo.org> <20070110134240.GA12320@mccormick.cx> <45A52F34.3060708@gmail.com> <45A556D4.70002@gmail.com> <20070110222431.7bd8f6ae@localhost> Message-ID: <45A56B9C.9050208@gmail.com> Folderol wrote: > You are not comparing like for like. ARM processors raw number-crunch in > FAR fewer clock cycles than x86 architecture. Typically 3x (I might > be a little out of date with those figures). Hmmm, so you're saying it should compare to something like a dual 900mhz machine when running csound (or ams or zyn)? That might be enough... -- peace, love & harmony Atte http://www.atte.dk | quintet: http://www.anagrammer.dk | compositions: http://www.atte.dk/compositions From pinojazz at gmail.com Wed Jan 10 18:05:43 2007 From: pinojazz at gmail.com (Carlos Pino) Date: Wed Jan 10 18:06:01 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] absynth sound? In-Reply-To: <20070110214953.GA5432@moon.base> References: <20070110195437.GA5660@moon.base> <45A54A04.50209@gmail.com> <20070110214953.GA5432@moon.base> Message-ID: <45A57147.4000100@gmail.com> James Stone escribio': > On Wed, Jan 10, 2007 at 09:18:12PM +0100, Carlos Pino wrote: > >> James Stone escribio': >> >>> Hi everyone, >>> >>> I was just wondering if it is possible to emulate the sound of >>> absynth under Linux, maybe with a pd module or an om patch?? I >>> remember from back in the day when I used Windows (maybe 4 years >>> ago now..), it had a really unique sound. I haven't really heard >>> anything like it in Linux, and I am not really sure how it >>> worked.. I know it would be possible to run the vst with libfst, >>> but I would really prefer something native (excuse the pun!!) >>> >>> Impossible?? >>> >>> James >>> >>> >>> >> Have you hear Zynadsubfx >> > > I have.. but perhaps I am not good enough at making patches.. > Could you point me to some good examples? > > James > > Sorry , I don't know absynth , and I'm not good also , I usually play the banks that comes with it. There are some others presets made by other people at gentoo pro-audio overlay , here are the files: http://proaudio.tuxfamily.org/files/ Here some others: http://atte.dk/sounds/new_collection.tgz If you want to hear the sounds I did with it : http://telefonica.net/web2/pinojazz/after_the_pain.ogg http://www.telefonica.net/web2/pinojazz/open_horizon.ogg Hope this helps. Saludos. --Carlos. From rob at curates-egg.org Wed Jan 10 18:10:26 2007 From: rob at curates-egg.org (rob) Date: Wed Jan 10 18:14:01 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] status of ams In-Reply-To: References: <45A0E71F.1030505@gmail.com> <20070107151125.0d6de159@localhost> <45A12789.2050204@gmail.com> <20070110103902.GD22212@bc.restivo.org> <20070110134240.GA12320@mccormick.cx> <45A52F34.3060708@gmail.com> Message-ID: <45A57262.3080103@curates-egg.org> Jay Vaughan wrote: > the processor power is what you'd expect out of a dual-core ARM > running at anywhere from 200mhz -> 275mhz (its an overclockers > delight) with 64megs of RAM, the device itself is made by GamePark > Holdings (http://gbax.com/) and you can read more about it here: I must interject here. The MagicEyes Digital Co. MMSP2 System on Chip (SoC) does have two processors - an ARM 920 and an ARM 940. Neither (as licensed by ARM) has the logic required to consider this a multi-core chip (no cache coherency logic, bus snooping etc). An SMP kernel should still only find one CPU though the other could be used as a _very_ smart peripheral. Note that an ARM 940 does not (if memory serves) have any MMU or even an MPU (you could of course run uClinux on that though). I also have to declare bias in that I work for one of the parties mentioned above, and that I am speaking purely for myself. cheers R From sandysj at juno.com Wed Jan 10 18:35:56 2007 From: sandysj at juno.com (Jeff Sandys) Date: Wed Jan 10 18:38:11 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] M-Audio Ozonic and FreeBob Message-ID: <20070110.153645.15950.1283694@webmail48.nyc.untd.com> Has anyone tried to use an M-Audio Ozonic firewire keyboard and audio I/O with FreeBob? If so, have you tried the Enigma editor with Wine to load and save settings? This looks like a great solution for a laptop musician with a keyboard, controllers, 4in-4out 24bitx96kHz audio in one unit. Any comments about the Ozonic on Linux (or alternatives like its little brother, Ozone) would be appreciated before I lay out the cash. ________________________________________________________________________ FREE Reminder Service - NEW from AmericanGreetings.com Click HERE and never forget a Birthday or Anniversary again! http://track.juno.com/s/lc?s=197335&u=http://www.americangreetings.com/products/online_calendar.pd From kvehmanen at eca.cx Wed Jan 10 19:42:43 2007 From: kvehmanen at eca.cx (Kai Vehmanen) Date: Wed Jan 10 19:45:28 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] status of ams In-Reply-To: References: <45A0E71F.1030505@gmail.com> <20070107151125.0d6de159@localhost> <45A12789.2050204@gmail.com> <20070110103902.GD22212@bc.restivo.org> <20070110134240.GA12320@mccormick.cx> <45A52F34.3060708@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi, On Wed, 10 Jan 2007, Jay Vaughan wrote: > We are the GP2X hackers, mostly collected around #gp2xdev on EFNet, the > processor power is what you'd expect out of a dual-core ARM running at > anywhere from 200mhz -> 275mhz (its an overclockers delight) with 64megs of > RAM, the device itself is made by GamePark Holdings (http://gbax.com/) and > you can read more about it here: btw, have you or anyone else on the list taken a look at how these apps run on Nokia 770, or the new N800...? - http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20070109-8575.html - http://www.linux-watch.com/news/NS7056717365.html - http://www.engadget.com/2007/01/06/nokia-n800-specs/ - http://www.maemo.org , http://europe.nokia.com/A4305063 GNU/Linux/Debian/Gnome based, somewhat more powerful ARM cpu, more RAM. Some hacking is needed as well to get USB host mode working (the device can't supply power to slave USB devs)... but you do have wifi, bt2.0, a nice 4.1" screen running X, sd/mmc slot, ... Not as cheap as gp2x is though... -- links, my public keys, etc at http://eca.cx/kv From chris at mccormick.cx Wed Jan 10 19:28:18 2007 From: chris at mccormick.cx (Chris McCormick) Date: Wed Jan 10 19:50:09 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] status of ams In-Reply-To: <45A556D4.70002@gmail.com> References: <45A0E71F.1030505@gmail.com> <20070107151125.0d6de159@localhost> <45A12789.2050204@gmail.com> <20070110103902.GD22212@bc.restivo.org> <20070110134240.GA12320@mccormick.cx> <45A52F34.3060708@gmail.com> <45A556D4.70002@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20070111002818.GD22628@mccormick.cx> On Wed, Jan 10, 2007 at 10:12:52PM +0100, Atte Andr? Jensen wrote: > Jay Vaughan wrote: > > >the > >processor power is what you'd expect out of a dual-core ARM running at > >anywhere from 200mhz -> 275mhz > > In all it sounds very interesting. However 275mhz is a bit too slow for > me. I was hoping to run rt audio generating apps, esp csound... Gp2xPd is a rt audio generating app. I've used it live already twice. Best, Chris. ------------------- chris@mccormick.cx http://mccormick.cx From J.M.Needham at bath.ac.uk Wed Jan 10 20:34:43 2007 From: J.M.Needham at bath.ac.uk (J M Needham) Date: Wed Jan 10 20:35:02 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Where's jack-dev? Message-ID: I'm using ubuntu. Google isn't helping. ubuntu package listing isn't helping. I need jack-dev!! How can I get it? It's not on sourceforge. I need it for Rosegarden!! God Bless Jonty From paul at linuxaudiosystems.com Wed Jan 10 20:47:14 2007 From: paul at linuxaudiosystems.com (Paul Davis) Date: Wed Jan 10 20:47:36 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Where's jack-dev? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1168480034.3033.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Thu, 2007-01-11 at 01:34 +0000, J M Needham wrote: > I'm using ubuntu. Google isn't helping. ubuntu package listing isn't > helping. I need jack-dev!! How can I get it? It's not on sourceforge. I > need it for Rosegarden!! a) sourceforge doesn't host distro-specific packages. b) because of a conflict with a CD ripper called "jack", JACK packages are typically called jack-audio-connection-kit-* From paul at linuxaudiosystems.com Wed Jan 10 20:58:54 2007 From: paul at linuxaudiosystems.com (Paul Davis) Date: Wed Jan 10 21:02:20 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Where's jack-dev? In-Reply-To: <1168480034.3033.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1168480034.3033.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1168480734.3033.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Wed, 2007-01-10 at 20:47 -0500, Paul Davis wrote: > On Thu, 2007-01-11 at 01:34 +0000, J M Needham wrote: > > I'm using ubuntu. Google isn't helping. ubuntu package listing isn't > > helping. I need jack-dev!! How can I get it? It's not on sourceforge. I > > need it for Rosegarden!! > > a) sourceforge doesn't host distro-specific packages. at least not for JACK. not least because JACK is no longer hosted at SF, its at http://jackaudio.org/ From petespin at att.net Wed Jan 10 22:46:58 2007 From: petespin at att.net (Peter Finnegan) Date: Wed Jan 10 22:46:14 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Where's jack-dev? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1168487218.2866.1.camel@gracie> How about libjack-dev ? On Thu, 2007-01-11 at 01:34 +0000, J M Needham wrote: > I'm using ubuntu. Google isn't helping. ubuntu package listing isn't > helping. I need jack-dev!! How can I get it? It's not on sourceforge. I > need it for Rosegarden!! > > God Bless > Jonty > From mle+la at mega-nerd.com Thu Jan 11 03:26:38 2007 From: mle+la at mega-nerd.com (Erik de Castro Lopo) Date: Thu Jan 11 03:26:51 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] status of ams In-Reply-To: <20070110222431.7bd8f6ae@localhost> References: <45A0E71F.1030505@gmail.com> <20070107151125.0d6de159@localhost> <45A12789.2050204@gmail.com> <20070110103902.GD22212@bc.restivo.org> <20070110134240.GA12320@mccormick.cx> <45A52F34.3060708@gmail.com> <45A556D4.70002@gmail.com> <20070110222431.7bd8f6ae@localhost> Message-ID: <20070111192638.eb91cce1.mle+la@mega-nerd.com> Folderol wrote: > You are not comparing like for like. ARM processors raw number-crunch in > FAR fewer clock cycles than x86 architecture. Typically 3x (I might > be a little out of date with those figures). And all that extra number cruch will be chewed up by the fact that GCC produced much less optimised ARM code than it does x86 code. Erik -- +-----------------------------------------------------------+ Erik de Castro Lopo +-----------------------------------------------------------+ "Just look at the development within Europe, where the number of Muslims is expanding like mosquitoes. Every Western woman in the EU is producing an average of 1.4 children. Every Muslim woman in the same countries is producing 3.5 children. Our way of thinking will prove more powerful than yours." -- Norwegian imam Mullah Krekar to the Oslo newspaper Dagbladet in 2006 From jayv at synth.net Thu Jan 11 03:51:51 2007 From: jayv at synth.net (Jay Vaughan) Date: Thu Jan 11 03:52:11 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] status of ams In-Reply-To: <45A556D4.70002@gmail.com> References: <45A0E71F.1030505@gmail.com> <20070107151125.0d6de159@localhost> <45A12789.2050204@gmail.com> <20070110103902.GD22212@bc.restivo.org> <20070110134240.GA12320@mccormick.cx> <45A52F34.3060708@gmail.com> <45A556D4.70002@gmail.com> Message-ID: >In all it sounds very interesting. However 275mhz is a bit too slow >for me. I was hoping to run rt audio generating apps, esp csound... keep in mind there are two ARM's onboard, and the second one is all yours to do whatever you want with it .. -- ; Jay Vaughan From jayv at synth.net Thu Jan 11 03:59:34 2007 From: jayv at synth.net (Jay Vaughan) Date: Thu Jan 11 04:01:05 2007 Subject: GP2X, ARM, MagicEyes .. was Re: [linux-audio-user] status of ams In-Reply-To: <45A57262.3080103@curates-egg.org> References: <45A0E71F.1030505@gmail.com> <20070107151125.0d6de159@localhost> <45A12789.2050204@gmail.com> <20070110103902.GD22212@bc.restivo.org> <20070110134240.GA12320@mccormick.cx> <45A52F34.3060708@gmail.com> <45A57262.3080103@curates-egg.org> Message-ID: >Neither (as licensed by ARM) has the logic required to consider this >a multi-core chip (no cache coherency logic, bus snooping etc). An Thats why I said dual-core, but you're correct in indicating that this could be a point of confusion. The GP2X has two ARM processors (on the same core), one of them is for Linux and the other is for whatever you feel like programming it to do .. Linux acts as the Host operating system, the 2nd CPU sits idle until its given code to run .. >SMP kernel should still only find one CPU though the other could be >used as a _very_ smart peripheral. > From the standpoint of "Multi-processing", Linux doesn't know about the second CPU on the GP2X at all - its ignorant of the 2nd CPU in any sense other than seeing it as a device and giving you a way to get code onto it/share memory with it - you have to load the 2nd CPU with your own code and run your own sub-program. GPH ship the GP2X with a video codec sub-program for the internal movie-player; others have built an audio processing sub-program, an OpenGL software-renderer (which is already getting use in ports), some games put their AI on the 2nd CPU, etc. With the independent work of the #gp2xdev community, its quite easy to write code for the 2nd CPU and run it alongside your Linux app .. >Note that an ARM 940 does not (if memory serves) have any MMU or >even an MPU (you could of course run uClinux on that though). You don't need either of those things to write smart code for the 2nd CPU .. >I also have to declare bias in that I work for one of the parties >mentioned above, and that I am speaking purely for myself. > 1. GamePark 2. MagicEyes 3. ARM, Inc? -- ; Jay Vaughan From jayv at synth.net Thu Jan 11 04:07:52 2007 From: jayv at synth.net (Jay Vaughan) Date: Thu Jan 11 04:08:26 2007 Subject: GP2X, ARM, Nokia .. was Re: [linux-audio-user] status of ams In-Reply-To: References: <45A0E71F.1030505@gmail.com> <20070107151125.0d6de159@localhost> <45A12789.2050204@gmail.com> <20070110103902.GD22212@bc.restivo.org> <20070110134240.GA12320@mccormick.cx> <45A52F34.3060708@gmail.com> Message-ID: >btw, have you or anyone else on the list taken a look at how these >apps run on Nokia 770, or the new N800...? > Nope, but if I had an N800 available to me I'm sure it'd be a quick port target. The platform is similar enough .. >GNU/Linux/Debian/Gnome based, somewhat more powerful ARM cpu, more >RAM. Try not to discount the GP2X' second ARM core, which is quite a fun hack, and also remember that the GP2X' Linux firmware is far less bloated than that of Nokia (almost painfully so), in order to provide a much lighter, smaller, faster footprint for game developers .. Not to discount the Nokia devices, nor any of the thousands of ARM-based/Linux-compatible handheld, portable computing systems, currently flooding the market... the point is, the GP2X is available, cheap (circa $150), light, battery-powered, and already building up a huge suite of fun applications worth the effort to get involved in .. and I think the GP2X is far more hackable than Nokia would be comfortable people doing with the N770/N800 (i.e. there are already full firmware replacements out there for the GP2X, including quite a few non-Linux ones..) >Some hacking is needed as well to get USB host mode working All thats needed with the GP2X is a cable/docking station, and these are easy to obtain. Host mode works like you'd expect it to work on a Linux-based system .. >(the device can't supply power to slave USB devs)... but you do have >wifi, bt2.0, a nice 4.1" screen running X, sd/mmc slot, ... TV Output? >Not as cheap as gp2x is though... Definitely not. I've got 3 GP2X's for the price I would've had to pay for a single N800 .. Still, exciting times for all Linux/ARM hackers, and even more exciting times for those of us pressing such systems into audio processing uses .. {3 GP2X's running g_midi/g_audio [total integration] == cheap and effective sub-effects processors for the DAW..} -- ; Jay Vaughan From jayv at synth.net Thu Jan 11 04:09:21 2007 From: jayv at synth.net (Jay Vaughan) Date: Thu Jan 11 04:11:59 2007 Subject: GP2X as a RealTime Audio generating device (was Re: [linux-audio-user] status of ams) In-Reply-To: <20070111002818.GD22628@mccormick.cx> References: <45A0E71F.1030505@gmail.com> <20070107151125.0d6de159@localhost> <45A12789.2050204@gmail.com> <20070110103902.GD22212@bc.restivo.org> <20070110134240.GA12320@mccormick.cx> <45A52F34.3060708@gmail.com> <45A556D4.70002@gmail.com> <20070111002818.GD22628@mccormick.cx> Message-ID: > > In all it sounds very interesting. However 275mhz is a bit too slow for > > me. I was hoping to run rt audio generating apps, esp csound... >Gp2xPd is a rt audio generating app. I've used it live already twice. Indeed, there is plenty of oomph in the GP2X for generating live audio .. its a softsynths paradise, even .. -- ; Jay Vaughan From jayv at synth.net Thu Jan 11 04:10:03 2007 From: jayv at synth.net (Jay Vaughan) Date: Thu Jan 11 04:12:12 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] status of ams In-Reply-To: <20070111192638.eb91cce1.mle+la@mega-nerd.com> References: <45A0E71F.1030505@gmail.com> <20070107151125.0d6de159@localhost> <45A12789.2050204@gmail.com> <20070110103902.GD22212@bc.restivo.org> <20070110134240.GA12320@mccormick.cx> <45A52F34.3060708@gmail.com> <45A556D4.70002@gmail.com> <20070110222431.7bd8f6ae@localhost> <20070111192638.eb91cce1.mle+la@mega-nerd.com> Message-ID: At 19:26 +1100 11/1/07, Erik de Castro Lopo wrote: >And all that extra number cruch will be chewed up by the fact that >GCC produced much less optimised ARM code than it does x86 code. >Erik Not really true. -- ; Jay Vaughan From mle+la at mega-nerd.com Thu Jan 11 04:59:33 2007 From: mle+la at mega-nerd.com (Erik de Castro Lopo) Date: Thu Jan 11 04:59:44 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] status of ams In-Reply-To: References: <45A0E71F.1030505@gmail.com> <20070107151125.0d6de159@localhost> <45A12789.2050204@gmail.com> <20070110103902.GD22212@bc.restivo.org> <20070110134240.GA12320@mccormick.cx> <45A52F34.3060708@gmail.com> <45A556D4.70002@gmail.com> <20070110222431.7bd8f6ae@localhost> <20070111192638.eb91cce1.mle+la@mega-nerd.com> Message-ID: <20070111205933.e7da30ce.mle+la@mega-nerd.com> Jay Vaughan wrote: > At 19:26 +1100 11/1/07, Erik de Castro Lopo wrote: > >And all that extra number cruch will be chewed up by the fact that > >GCC produced much less optimised ARM code than it does x86 code. > > Not really true. I heard this first hand (about gcc3.3) from two developers who work on the L4 microkernel on ARM. These people know about low level C code and ARM assembler. Erik -- +-----------------------------------------------------------+ Erik de Castro Lopo +-----------------------------------------------------------+ "You'll never go broke underestimating the intelligence of the American public." -- P.T. Barnum From jayv at synth.net Thu Jan 11 05:11:59 2007 From: jayv at synth.net (Jay Vaughan) Date: Thu Jan 11 05:12:22 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] status of ams In-Reply-To: <20070111205933.e7da30ce.mle+la@mega-nerd.com> References: <45A0E71F.1030505@gmail.com> <20070107151125.0d6de159@localhost> <45A12789.2050204@gmail.com> <20070110103902.GD22212@bc.restivo.org> <20070110134240.GA12320@mccormick.cx> <45A52F34.3060708@gmail.com> <45A556D4.70002@gmail.com> <20070110222431.7bd8f6ae@localhost> <20070111192638.eb91cce1.mle+la@mega-nerd.com> <20070111205933.e7da30ce.mle+la@mega-nerd.com> Message-ID: > > Not really true. > >I heard this first hand (about gcc3.3) from two developers who work >on the L4 microkernel on ARM. These people know about low level C >code and ARM assembler. > I also work in low level C code, and ARM assembler, and have extensive experience working with gcc, F/OSS tools, distributions, and the Linux kernel, since the day of the minix-list post.. In the #gp2xdev scene, we have pressed into use every gcc version from 2.95.3 to 4.2 in order to get better, faster, leaner ARM code on the GP2X (these are game coders who don't mind writing their own OS if it pushes pixels a little faster) .. For sure, there are things you can do with gcc on ARM that will result in fat, bloated, un-fast code.. just as there are things you can do with it that will run lean, fast and mean. Your generalization is negatively bias'ed on the basis of second hand details and in my opinion should not be parleyed without direct experience. Ask your pals about gcc 4.1. -- ; Jay Vaughan From mle+la at mega-nerd.com Thu Jan 11 05:46:52 2007 From: mle+la at mega-nerd.com (Erik de Castro Lopo) Date: Thu Jan 11 05:47:04 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] status of ams In-Reply-To: References: <45A0E71F.1030505@gmail.com> <20070107151125.0d6de159@localhost> <45A12789.2050204@gmail.com> <20070110103902.GD22212@bc.restivo.org> <20070110134240.GA12320@mccormick.cx> <45A52F34.3060708@gmail.com> <45A556D4.70002@gmail.com> <20070110222431.7bd8f6ae@localhost> <20070111192638.eb91cce1.mle+la@mega-nerd.com> <20070111205933.e7da30ce.mle+la@mega-nerd.com> Message-ID: <20070111214652.48f06aab.mle+la@mega-nerd.com> Jay Vaughan wrote: > I also work in low level C code, and ARM assembler, and have > extensive experience working with gcc, F/OSS tools, distributions, > and the Linux kernel, since the day of the minix-list post.. > > In the #gp2xdev scene, we have pressed into use every gcc version > from 2.95.3 to 4.2 in order to get better, faster, leaner ARM code on > the GP2X (these are game coders who don't mind writing their own OS > if it pushes pixels a little faster) .. For sure, there are things > you can do with gcc on ARM that will result in fat, bloated, un-fast > code.. just as there are things you can do with it that will run > lean, fast and mean. > > Your generalization is negatively bias'ed on the basis of second hand > details and in my opinion should not be parleyed without direct > experience. Ask your pals about gcc 4.1. Ok, your direct experience trumps mine which admittedly about 3 years old. I'll quiz my contacts on their opinion on gcc-4.2 on ARM. Erik -- +-----------------------------------------------------------+ Erik de Castro Lopo +-----------------------------------------------------------+ Diana West for President of the United States http://www.washtimes.com/op-ed/20060817-091447-7758r.htm http://www.washtimes.com/op-ed/20060824-084015-5082r.htm From jayv at synth.net Thu Jan 11 05:54:33 2007 From: jayv at synth.net (Jay Vaughan) Date: Thu Jan 11 05:55:55 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] status of ams In-Reply-To: <20070111214652.48f06aab.mle+la@mega-nerd.com> References: <45A0E71F.1030505@gmail.com> <20070107151125.0d6de159@localhost> <45A12789.2050204@gmail.com> <20070110103902.GD22212@bc.restivo.org> <20070110134240.GA12320@mccormick.cx> <45A52F34.3060708@gmail.com> <45A556D4.70002@gmail.com> <20070110222431.7bd8f6ae@localhost> <20070111192638.eb91cce1.mle+la@mega-nerd.com> <20070111205933.e7da30ce.mle+la@mega-nerd.com> <20070111214652.48f06aab.mle+la@mega-nerd.com> Message-ID: >Ok, your direct experience trumps mine which admittedly about 3 >years old. I'll quiz my contacts on their opinion on gcc-4.2 on >ARM. >Erik Please let us hear what they have to say about it .. I think there's a lot of generally negative critical opinion about the efficacy of ARM for processing-related tasks, and the facts of the matter are that an ARM-based machine can do some kick-ass things in the audio world .. its not a matter of it needing to be 'the fastest', but 'fast enough', and especially if you consider the price and availability of ARM machinery, there's not much to be said about it: it kicks ass. Soon as I finish gadget_audio for the GP2X, for example, I'm going to have 3 new portable effects plugins/synthesis engines sitting on my desk for use with my DAW .. for less than half the price of a comparable turnkey system. -- ; Jay Vaughan From forest at alittletooquiet.net Thu Jan 11 07:34:18 2007 From: forest at alittletooquiet.net (Forest Bond) Date: Thu Jan 11 07:49:53 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Where's jack-dev? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20070111123418.GA8627@storm.local.network> On Thu, Jan 11, 2007 at 01:34:43AM +0000, J M Needham wrote: > I'm using ubuntu. Google isn't helping. ubuntu package listing isn't > helping. I need jack-dev!! How can I get it? 1. Be sure universe repository is enabled. 2. Open synaptic. 3. Click Search, type "jack" in the search box. 4. Select libjack0.100.0-dev for installation (on Edgy; you may find a different version if you are not using Edgy). -Forest -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Digital signature Url : http://music.columbia.edu/pipermail/linux-audio-user/attachments/20070111/72d5b5c4/attachment.bin From markus at herhoffer.net Thu Jan 11 16:07:03 2007 From: markus at herhoffer.net (Markus Herhoffer) Date: Thu Jan 11 16:08:26 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] iLok protection on Linux In-Reply-To: <45A54ABB.6040208@museresearch.com> References: <20070110101558.0230F5962759@music.columbia.edu> <45A54ABB.6040208@museresearch.com> Message-ID: <45A6A6F7.6050804@herhoffer.net> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA256 The first thing I've learned at my lecture on Cryptography was that any kind of cryptographic system should not rely on secret code. If there are really secret parts in iLok then I see no choice in porting it to Linux without official support from the keeper of this ominous secret code. Maybe I should buy a Receptor and reverse engineer it? ;-) Markus Michael Ost schrieb: >> On 1/9/07, "Josh Lawrence" wrote: >> I think your best bet would be to contact Muse Research and ask them, >> since they have gone to the trouble to figure it out. The chances of >> them letting that information go is slim, but hey, you don't know >> until you try. > > We implemented iLok support in Receptor through a special arrangement > with Pace, the makers of the iLok. We wrote a winelib DLL that accesses > Pace's "secret sauce" code that Pace built against our 2.4.19 based > kernel and usb libraries. > > So, at present, there is no general use support for it. But I am > sympathetic to your goals and will ask Pace whether they are interested > in general Linux support ... as time permits. But, frankly, we are a > small shop and time doesn't permit much these days. > > You might do well to ask Pace yourself. They are at www.paceap.com. > > - Michael Ost > Muse Research, Inc. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFFpqb3uXdsp50C0vMRCAJlAJ4/n5CsE9iHv+if0kEtYOuS65c8yACgxv35 WHOobkNMsUBivRJz0gpbPug= =eij1 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From atte.jensen at gmail.com Thu Jan 11 17:12:42 2007 From: atte.jensen at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Atte_Andr=E9_Jensen?=) Date: Thu Jan 11 17:24:02 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] abusive audio, will it blow up the PA? Message-ID: <45A6B65A.5050205@gmail.com> Hi I've been playing with fastbreeder, and am extremely pleased with the truly wonderful noises it can do (thanks Dave!!!!) However looking at some of the results in mhwaveedit it seems that it's injected with electrical/non-acoustic phenomenons like dc-offset and low frequencies. I'm wondering how a home stereo and/or a large PA would react to such sounds? Is there anything I should/could do to prevent black smoke from coming out of amplifiers and speakers (ears would be ok :-))? Or should I simply not worry. I put a sample at http://atte.dk/download/fb_abuse_groove_3.ogg if someone wants to have a look for themselves what I'm referring to... -- peace, love & harmony Atte http://www.atte.dk | quintet: http://www.anagrammer.dk | compositions: http://www.atte.dk/compositions From atte.jensen at gmail.com Thu Jan 11 17:41:28 2007 From: atte.jensen at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Atte_Andr=E9_Jensen?=) Date: Thu Jan 11 17:48:21 2007 Subject: GP2X as a RealTime Audio generating device (was Re: [linux-audio-user] status of ams) In-Reply-To: References: <45A0E71F.1030505@gmail.com> <20070107151125.0d6de159@localhost> <45A12789.2050204@gmail.com> <20070110103902.GD22212@bc.restivo.org> <20070110134240.GA12320@mccormick.cx> <45A52F34.3060708@gmail.com> <45A556D4.70002@gmail.com> <20070111002818.GD22628@mccormick.cx> Message-ID: <45A6BD18.80907@gmail.com> Jay Vaughan wrote: > Indeed, there is plenty of oomph in the GP2X for generating live audio > .. its a softsynths paradise, even .. Ok, I'm currently running csound live on a P4 mobile 1.6GHz. Let's call this soft synth index 100. What would you estimate the index of GP2X to be? Just a serious, guess, I'm not gonna come after you if your wrong :-) Secondly, would there be any problems (if so which and could they be solved) in getting 1) csound, 2) ams and 3) zynadsubfx running on these things? atte@ajstrup:~$ cat /proc/cpuinfo processor : 0 vendor_id : GenuineIntel cpu family : 6 model : 9 model name : Intel(R) Pentium(R) M processor 1600MHz stepping : 5 cpu MHz : 1600.000 cache size : 1024 KB fdiv_bug : no hlt_bug : no f00f_bug : no coma_bug : no fpu : yes fpu_exception : yes cpuid level : 2 wp : yes flags : fpu vme de pse tsc msr mce cx8 sep mtrr pge mca cmov pat clflush dts acpi mmx fxsr sse sse2 tm pbe est tm2 bogomips : 3190.61 -- peace, love & harmony Atte http://www.atte.dk | quintet: http://www.anagrammer.dk | compositions: http://www.atte.dk/compositions From _ at whats-your.name Thu Jan 11 17:42:10 2007 From: _ at whats-your.name (carmen) Date: Thu Jan 11 17:48:36 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] abusive audio, will it blow up the PA? In-Reply-To: <45A6B65A.5050205@gmail.com> References: <45A6B65A.5050205@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20070111224210.GN8972@replic.net> On Thu Jan 11, 2007 at 11:12:42PM +0100, Atte Andr? Jensen wrote: > Hi > > I've been playing with fastbreeder, and am extremely pleased with the truly wonderful noises it can do (thanks Dave!!!!) > > However looking at some of the results in mhwaveedit it seems that it's injected with electrical/non-acoustic phenomenons like dc-offset and low frequencies. I'm wondering how a home stereo and/or a > large PA would react to such sounds? Is there anything I should/could do to prevent black smoke from coming out of amplifiers and speakers (ears would be ok :-))? Or should I simply not worry. > > I put a sample at http://atte.dk/download/fb_abuse_groove_3.ogg if someone wants to have a look for themselves what I'm referring to... i played it at the loudest volume (including "External Amplifier" boost) on my MSI MS-1013, and the onboard speakers suffered no ill effects. in fact i think stuff sounds better now on really expensive speakers, ones youre afraid you might destroy, they praobly already have various crossover/fuse/compressor safeguards on the amplification chain. but im sure no safeguard is perfect > > -- > peace, love & harmony > Atte > > http://www.atte.dk | quintet: http://www.anagrammer.dk > | compositions: http://www.atte.dk/compositions > From folderol at ukfsn.org Thu Jan 11 17:48:35 2007 From: folderol at ukfsn.org (Folderol) Date: Thu Jan 11 18:13:22 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] abusive audio, will it blow up the PA? In-Reply-To: <45A6B65A.5050205@gmail.com> References: <45A6B65A.5050205@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20070111224835.6d2f1531@localhost> On Thu, 11 Jan 2007 23:12:42 +0100 Atte Andr? Jensen wrote: > Hi > > I've been playing with fastbreeder, and am extremely pleased with the > truly wonderful noises it can do (thanks Dave!!!!) > > However looking at some of the results in mhwaveedit it seems that it's > injected with electrical/non-acoustic phenomenons like dc-offset and low > frequencies. I'm wondering how a home stereo and/or a large PA would > react to such sounds? Is there anything I should/could do to prevent > black smoke from coming out of amplifiers and speakers (ears would be ok > :-))? Or should I simply not worry. > > I put a sample at http://atte.dk/download/fb_abuse_groove_3.ogg if > someone wants to have a look for themselves what I'm referring to... It shouldn't be any kind of a problem on and even half-decent audio system (which should have appropriate filters built in). The worst That could happen is that extreme LF at high amplitude just might tend to overload input stages, which won't sound very nice. I've heard the effect described as bugling under water! Wow! Just looked at it in Audacity - it's pretty extreme! Still shouldn't be a problem though. -- Will J G From markknecht at gmail.com Thu Jan 11 17:56:18 2007 From: markknecht at gmail.com (Mark Knecht) Date: Thu Jan 11 18:15:33 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] abusive audio, will it blow up the PA? In-Reply-To: <45A6B65A.5050205@gmail.com> References: <45A6B65A.5050205@gmail.com> Message-ID: <5bdc1c8b0701111456lbcfbe6frdf6d2561bb27a116@mail.gmail.com> On 1/11/07, Atte Andr? Jensen wrote: > Hi > > I've been playing with fastbreeder, and am extremely pleased with the > truly wonderful noises it can do (thanks Dave!!!!) > > However looking at some of the results in mhwaveedit it seems that it's > injected with electrical/non-acoustic phenomenons like dc-offset and low > frequencies. I'm wondering how a home stereo and/or a large PA would > react to such sounds? Is there anything I should/could do to prevent > black smoke from coming out of amplifiers and speakers (ears would be ok > :-))? Or should I simply not worry. > > I put a sample at http://atte.dk/download/fb_abuse_groove_3.ogg if > someone wants to have a look for themselves what I'm referring to... > > -- > peace, love & harmony > Atte Hi Atte, I doubt the DC offset would get as far as the PA or stereo. Something in the signal path is going to be AC coupled for safety reasons so that would get knocked out. (None the less be careful!) :-) As for the low frequency issue why not put a high pass filter, in Jack Rack or in the program itself if it supports normal LADSPA plugins, to get rid of that issue? Hope this helps, Mark From jayv at synth.net Thu Jan 11 18:23:04 2007 From: jayv at synth.net (Jay Vaughan) Date: Thu Jan 11 18:28:40 2007 Subject: GP2X as a RealTime Audio generating device (was Re: [linux-audio-user] status of ams) In-Reply-To: <45A6BD18.80907@gmail.com> References: <45A0E71F.1030505@gmail.com> <20070107151125.0d6de159@localhost> <45A12789.2050204@gmail.com> <20070110103902.GD22212@bc.restivo.org> <20070110134240.GA12320@mccormick.cx> <45A52F34.3060708@gmail.com> <45A556D4.70002@gmail.com> <20070111002818.GD22628@mccormick.cx> <45A6BD18.80907@gmail.com> Message-ID: >Ok, I'm currently running csound live on a P4 mobile 1.6GHz. Let's >call this soft synth index 100. What would you estimate the index of >GP2X to be? Just a serious, guess, I'm not gonna come after you if >your wrong :-) > I'd give it between 40 - 60, depending on what you're doing in CSound .. >Secondly, would there be any problems (if so which and could they be >solved) in getting 1) csound, 2) ams and 3) zynadsubfx running on >these things? CSound: a cynch. ams or zynadsubfx, a bit trickier as it has GUI requirements: the GP2X does not have X, or a Window manager (though these have been ported..) Any softsynth that supports a 'server' mode and a 'GUI command app' separation can be ported and expected to run 'okay' on the GP2X .. I know of a synth author who has his text-mode "daemon-style" synth engine running in the background on the GP2X in such a way that it is controlled with OSC messages being fired by an SDL app in the foreground, for example .. or you can use gp2xPd for the interface to such a synth daemon, also. -- ; Jay Vaughan From ken at restivo.org Fri Jan 12 00:22:41 2007 From: ken at restivo.org (Ken Restivo) Date: Fri Jan 12 00:23:15 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Libspiralcore build problem Message-ID: <20070112052241.GB13158@bc.restivo.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 root@mac:/usr/scratch/libspiralcore-1.0.0rc1# scons scons: Reading SConscript files ... scons: done reading SConscript files. scons: Building targets ... g++ -o src/ChannelHandler.os -c -pipe -Wall -O3 -ggdb -ffast-math -Wno-unused -fPIC -fPIC -Iinclude -I/usr/local/include src/ChannelHandler.cpp g++ -o src/JackClient.os -c -pipe -Wall -O3 -ggdb -ffast-math -Wno-unused -fPIC -fPIC -Iinclude -I/usr/local/include src/JackClient.cpp include/JackClient.h:70: error: extra qualification 'spiralcore::JackClient::JackPort::' on member 'JackPort' scons: *** [src/JackClient.os] Error 1 scons: building terminated because of errors. OK, my C++ knowledge was never very good, and has gotten even more rusty lately. The offending line appears to be a namespace declaration for "spiralcore". What gives? - -ken -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFFpxshe8HF+6xeOIcRAllaAJ9q7kaMA0c1o1k4OMclwybhn6KuHQCfarmS eIBDBXiv9T5BReakEI832kY= =tmJV -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From atte.jensen at gmail.com Fri Jan 12 01:33:43 2007 From: atte.jensen at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Atte_Andr=E9_Jensen?=) Date: Fri Jan 12 01:33:55 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] abusive audio, will it blow up the PA? In-Reply-To: <5bdc1c8b0701111456lbcfbe6frdf6d2561bb27a116@mail.gmail.com> References: <45A6B65A.5050205@gmail.com> <5bdc1c8b0701111456lbcfbe6frdf6d2561bb27a116@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <45A72BC7.2070402@gmail.com> Mark Knecht wrote: > I doubt the DC offset would get as far as the PA or stereo. > Something in the signal path is going to be AC coupled for safety > reasons so that would get knocked out. (None the less be careful!) :-) Ok. Thanks for commenting. > As for the low frequency issue why not put a high pass filter, in > Jack Rack or in the program itself if it supports normal LADSPA > plugins, to get rid of that issue? That's a good idea. I'll do a highpass in sox at 20Hz or so... -- peace, love & harmony Atte http://www.atte.dk | quintet: http://www.anagrammer.dk | compositions: http://www.atte.dk/compositions From georg.holzmann at student.kug.ac.at Fri Jan 12 03:47:35 2007 From: georg.holzmann at student.kug.ac.at (Georg Holzmann) Date: Fri Jan 12 03:45:48 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] abusive audio, will it blow up the PA? In-Reply-To: <45A6B65A.5050205@gmail.com> References: <45A6B65A.5050205@gmail.com> Message-ID: <45A74B27.1030606@student.kug.ac.at> Hallo! > However looking at some of the results in mhwaveedit it seems that it's > injected with electrical/non-acoustic phenomenons like dc-offset and low > frequencies. I'm wondering how a home stereo and/or a large PA would > react to such sounds? Is there anything I should/could do to prevent > black smoke from coming out of amplifiers and speakers (ears would be ok > :-))? Or should I simply not worry. As the others already said you should at least use a highpass to remove the DC ... We once played with PD until all the loudspeakers were (unfortunately) damaged ... ;) LG Georg From reuben.firmin at gmail.com Wed Jan 10 11:38:15 2007 From: reuben.firmin at gmail.com (reuben firmin) Date: Fri Jan 12 04:40:02 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Outputting same sound source to multiple cards simultaneously In-Reply-To: <1168425811.45a4c353e9e54@www3.helsinki.fi> References: <1168425811.45a4c353e9e54@www3.helsinki.fi> Message-ID: <5d259cb90701100838j46e1acdhd9afdb1b41538cda@mail.gmail.com> On 1/10/07, Sampo Savolainen wrote: > > > Example: Just after 10 seconds, the 1st card in my example will be > emitting > sample 441010 (44101 * 10), and the other card will be emitting sample > 440300 (44030 * 10). This means that if the original audio has been > recorded > at exactly 44100, the cards are already 0.016 seconds apart from > eachother! > (44030 is an example of a really crappy clock chip on a card, but it's not > unheard of) OK, so what is the workaround? Couldn't the card that is behind be made to catch up between songs? Couldn't every 1000th sample be dropped on the crappier card? Etc. In any case, in your example, the cards would be about 1 second out of sync for every 20 minutes of play time. In my use case, this really does not matter, as, again, the speakers are in different rooms. If the software can be made to cope (which it surely should be made to, if the problem is as prevalent as you describe) then afaic there is no problem. Let me re-iterate: Without syncing the soundcards, this /will/ happen. This > is not a legend or some far-fetched possibility that people speak of but > which really never affects real life. I touched on this above. So how do I sync the cards? Is there a specific method to do this with alsa? Just imagine two wall-clocks. Can you really expect them to keep the exact > same time over years of continuous running without anyone re-setting them? If they were hardware being run by the same software on the same PC then, yes, I would expect them to (be made to) stay in sync, regardless of their mechanical quirks. Cheers Reuben -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I have a fix for this I haven't released yet, you are correct, it's unneeded namespaces in the header - I can get a new release in a couple of days, or you can simply remove them yourself for the moment... cheers, dave From atte.jensen at gmail.com Fri Jan 12 05:14:49 2007 From: atte.jensen at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Atte_Andr=E9_Jensen?=) Date: Fri Jan 12 05:26:54 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] abusive audio, will it blow up the PA? In-Reply-To: <45A74B27.1030606@student.kug.ac.at> References: <45A6B65A.5050205@gmail.com> <45A74B27.1030606@student.kug.ac.at> Message-ID: <45A75F99.4070700@gmail.com> Georg Holzmann wrote: > As the others already said you should at least use a highpass to remove > the DC ... At least? Other things I should run it through? > We once played with PD until all the loudspeakers were (unfortunately) > damaged ... ;) :-( -- peace, love & harmony Atte http://www.atte.dk | quintet: http://www.anagrammer.dk | compositions: http://www.atte.dk/compositions From chris at mccormick.cx Fri Jan 12 04:36:45 2007 From: chris at mccormick.cx (Chris McCormick) Date: Fri Jan 12 05:36:56 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] abusive audio, will it blow up the PA? In-Reply-To: <45A74B27.1030606@student.kug.ac.at> References: <45A6B65A.5050205@gmail.com> <45A74B27.1030606@student.kug.ac.at> Message-ID: <20070112093644.GA14271@mccormick.cx> On Fri, Jan 12, 2007 at 09:47:35AM +0100, Georg Holzmann wrote: > We once played with PD until all the loudspeakers were (unfortunately) > damaged ... ;) I've unfortunately done this to club speakers once using a Gameboy Advance and a Commodore 64 running through various pedals. Our residency at that place was cut pretty short after that. :/ I wouldn't take it as a given that a venue would have filtering in place to save their speakers from dammage. Chris. ------------------- chris@mccormick.cx http://mccormick.cx From nickycopeland at hotmail.com Fri Jan 12 05:41:45 2007 From: nickycopeland at hotmail.com (Nick Copeland) Date: Fri Jan 12 05:43:31 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Outputting same sound source to multiple cardssimultaneously In-Reply-To: <5d259cb90701100838j46e1acdhd9afdb1b41538cda@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Since the output from the two cards do not actually need to be in sync (the output is in different rooms and I take it these are not recording rooms) then can you not just feed the two cards from separate streams and just resync/restart the stream either at silence or between songs by draining the buffer? That way you just feed each device at the rate at which it wants to accept data. If you really wanted to do this from a single open file descriptor then you could monitor the available buffer space on each device and have one device attempt to track the buffer occupancy of the other. I would advise resampling over sample insertion/removal because even at very low rate differences the action would be repetitive and sample drop/insertion then becomes very noticable. Resampling would introduce a little but of wow/flutter into one of the streams as its tries to maintain the same rate as the monitored stream, but hey, that can sound good at low rates - it would be like a set of tape heads. The reason you cannot directly implement such a solution is that every soundcard believes it is running at exactly 44100Hz (or 48kHz or whatever you configure), and they cannot tell you what their true running rate is. To be honest, the other option would be to just dump a block of samples if you had overruns on a device (or repeat a block if you had underruns which is perhaps easier to detect). If you had, say, 64KB of buffer space then the proposed delta from your calculation below gives you about 70 excess samples per seconds, so you would have a sound similar to a 'tick' on a CD every 20 minutes, something that is iritating at worst. Anyway, there is no 'canned code' that will do this for you, so you might have to get your compiler out and write the program yourself, so good luck, audio device programming is a pain in the butt. Regards, Nick. >From: "reuben firmin" >Reply-To: A list for linux audio users > >To: "Sampo Savolainen" >CC: A list for linux audio users >Subject: Re: [linux-audio-user] Outputting same sound source to multiple >cardssimultaneously >Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2007 08:38:15 -0800 > >On 1/10/07, Sampo Savolainen wrote: >> >> >>Example: Just after 10 seconds, the 1st card in my example will be >>emitting >>sample 441010 (44101 * 10), and the other card will be emitting sample >>440300 (44030 * 10). This means that if the original audio has been >>recorded >>at exactly 44100, the cards are already 0.016 seconds apart from >>eachother! >>(44030 is an example of a really crappy clock chip on a card, but it's not >>unheard of) > > >OK, so what is the workaround? Couldn't the card that is behind be made to >catch up between songs? Couldn't every 1000th sample be dropped on the >crappier card? Etc. In any case, in your example, the cards would be about >1 >second out of sync for every 20 minutes of play time. In my use case, this >really does not matter, as, again, the speakers are in different rooms. If >the software can be made to cope (which it surely should be made to, if the >problem is as prevalent as you describe) then afaic there is no problem. > >Let me re-iterate: Without syncing the soundcards, this /will/ happen. This >>is not a legend or some far-fetched possibility that people speak of but >>which really never affects real life. > > >I touched on this above. So how do I sync the cards? Is there a specific >method to do this with alsa? > >Just imagine two wall-clocks. Can you really expect them to keep the exact >>same time over years of continuous running without anyone re-setting them? > > >If they were hardware being run by the same software on the same PC then, >yes, I would expect them to (be made to) stay in sync, regardless of their >mechanical quirks. > >Cheers >Reuben _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ From georg.holzmann at student.kug.ac.at Fri Jan 12 07:33:39 2007 From: georg.holzmann at student.kug.ac.at (Georg Holzmann) Date: Fri Jan 12 07:44:50 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] abusive audio, will it blow up the PA? In-Reply-To: <45A75F99.4070700@gmail.com> References: <45A6B65A.5050205@gmail.com> <45A74B27.1030606@student.kug.ac.at> <45A75F99.4070700@gmail.com> Message-ID: <45A78023.2000101@student.kug.ac.at> Hallo! >> As the others already said you should at least use a highpass to >> remove the DC ... > > At least? Other things I should run it through? Well, you could also a limiter+etc. - but I think the biggest problem is the DC offset ... Because if you have no DC-offset you will here when it is too loud and can decrease the volume ... >> We once played with PD until all the loudspeakers were (unfortunately) >> damaged ... ;) > > :-( But it was funny :) LG Georg From jamesmstone at gmail.com Fri Jan 12 08:25:08 2007 From: jamesmstone at gmail.com (James Stone) Date: Fri Jan 12 08:49:09 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] abusive audio, will it blow up the PA? In-Reply-To: <45A78023.2000101@student.kug.ac.at> References: <45A6B65A.5050205@gmail.com> <45A74B27.1030606@student.kug.ac.at> <45A75F99.4070700@gmail.com> <45A78023.2000101@student.kug.ac.at> Message-ID: <48d2154d0701120525r732d3524x6ae5c57d7e791e8b@mail.gmail.com> On 1/12/07, Georg Holzmann wrote: > > Hallo! > > >> As the others already said you should at least use a highpass to > >> remove the DC ... > > > > At least? Other things I should run it through? > > Well, you could also a limiter+etc. - but I think the biggest problem is > the DC offset ... > Because if you have no DC-offset you will here when it is too loud and > can decrease the volume ... I think there is a DC-offset remover ladspa plugin... James -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Thanks! -- Michael Pacey From paul at linuxaudiosystems.com Fri Jan 12 10:33:29 2007 From: paul at linuxaudiosystems.com (Paul Davis) Date: Fri Jan 12 10:34:04 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Outputting same sound source to multiple cards simultaneously In-Reply-To: <5d259cb90701100838j46e1acdhd9afdb1b41538cda@mail.gmail.com> References: <1168425811.45a4c353e9e54@www3.helsinki.fi> <5d259cb90701100838j46e1acdhd9afdb1b41538cda@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1168616009.6312.26.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Wed, 2007-01-10 at 08:38 -0800, reuben firmin wrote: > On 1/10/07, Sampo Savolainen wrote: > Just imagine two wall-clocks. Can you really expect them to > keep the exact > same time over years of continuous running without anyone > re-setting them? > > > If they were hardware being run by the same software on the same PC > then, yes, I would expect them to (be made to) stay in sync, > regardless of their mechanical quirks. but the audio interfaces are not "being run by the same software". control over how they see time belongs to the clocks on each interface. the PC cannot control the clocks in anyway. this is why if you want things to stay in sync, you must share a clock. note: one of the very first tasks in designing any kind of digital audio installation that involves multiple devices (of any kind) is to determine what the clock sharing network will look like. getting it right is critical. the fact that these cards share slots on the same bus doesn't remove the issue. --p From pw_lists at slinkp.com Fri Jan 12 12:28:05 2007 From: pw_lists at slinkp.com (Paul Winkler) Date: Fri Jan 12 12:39:48 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] abusive audio, will it blow up the PA? In-Reply-To: <48d2154d0701120525r732d3524x6ae5c57d7e791e8b@mail.gmail.com> References: <45A6B65A.5050205@gmail.com> <45A74B27.1030606@student.kug.ac.at> <45A75F99.4070700@gmail.com> <45A78023.2000101@student.kug.ac.at> <48d2154d0701120525r732d3524x6ae5c57d7e791e8b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20070112172805.GA7577@slinkp.com> On Fri, Jan 12, 2007 at 01:25:08PM +0000, James Stone wrote: > On 1/12/07, Georg Holzmann wrote: > > > >Hallo! > > > >>> As the others already said you should at least use a highpass to > >>> remove the DC ... > >> > >> At least? Other things I should run it through? > > > >Well, you could also a limiter+etc. - but I think the biggest problem is > >the DC offset ... > >Because if you have no DC-offset you will here when it is too loud and > >can decrease the volume ... > > > I think there is a DC-offset remover ladspa plugin... FWIW, I've been experimenting with a pair of Harrison Labs FMOD passive highpass filters. They're very portable, being built into a small brass female -> male RCA adapter. They're also pretty cheap, about $25 US for a package of two. I haven't used mine much yet but they seem to work as advertised. I got the 30Hz model. That's the -3 dB point, and they're all 12 dB / octave. I'm wondering if I should have got the 50 Hz model, since the vast majority of output from typical PA subwoofers is in the 50 Hz - 200 Hz range anyway. (The fundamental of a low E on a bass guitar is about 40 Hz, but most of the energy of that note is in the first few overtones.) Supposedly you can daisy-chain two filters with an attenuator plug in the middle to make a 24 dB/octave filter with the crossover point cut in half. I haven't tried that. The website is unfortunately pretty bad, and hard to find exactly what you're looking for... http://www.hlabs.com/technical/crossovers/ List of color-coded FMOD models: http://www.hlabs.com/technical/crossovers/page2.html -- Paul Winkler http://www.slinkp.com From atte.jensen at gmail.com Fri Jan 12 16:14:32 2007 From: atte.jensen at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Atte_Andr=E9_Jensen?=) Date: Fri Jan 12 16:14:52 2007 Subject: GP2X as a RealTime Audio generating device (was Re: [linux-audio-user] status of ams) In-Reply-To: References: <45A0E71F.1030505@gmail.com> <20070107151125.0d6de159@localhost> <45A12789.2050204@gmail.com> <20070110103902.GD22212@bc.restivo.org> <20070110134240.GA12320@mccormick.cx> <45A52F34.3060708@gmail.com> <45A556D4.70002@gmail.com> <20070111002818.GD22628@mccormick.cx> <45A6BD18.80907@gmail.com> Message-ID: <45A7FA38.3050100@gmail.com> Jay Vaughan wrote: >> Ok, I'm currently running csound live on a P4 mobile 1.6GHz. Let's >> call this soft synth index 100. What would you estimate the index of >> GP2X to be? Just a serious, guess, I'm not gonna come after you if >> your wrong :-) >> > > I'd give it between 40 - 60, depending on what you're doing in CSound .. > >> Secondly, would there be any problems (if so which and could they be >> solved) in getting 1) csound, 2) ams and 3) zynadsubfx running on >> these things? > > CSound: a cynch. Ok you got my attention! I read that it's a 2.4 kernel, right? From what I know (I run 2.6) 2.4 has really poor realtime performance out of the box. Do you know: 1) What patches have been applied to the kernel in gp2x? 2) How difficult it would be to replace the kernel with a recent 2.6 3) what latencies have you been able to achieve (with the break-out box for audio) with the supplied kernel? I'm not interested in hypothetical performance but real world examples. -- peace, love & harmony Atte http://www.atte.dk | quintet: http://www.anagrammer.dk | compositions: http://www.atte.dk/compositions From dsbaikov at gmail.com Fri Jan 12 16:23:42 2007 From: dsbaikov at gmail.com (Dmitry Baikov) Date: Fri Jan 12 16:23:52 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] abusive audio, will it blow up the PA? In-Reply-To: <20070112172805.GA7577@slinkp.com> References: <45A6B65A.5050205@gmail.com> <45A74B27.1030606@student.kug.ac.at> <45A75F99.4070700@gmail.com> <45A78023.2000101@student.kug.ac.at> <48d2154d0701120525r732d3524x6ae5c57d7e791e8b@mail.gmail.com> <20070112172805.GA7577@slinkp.com> Message-ID: <70a871c80701121323s5bbb6437s7ee4c67f0552deb9@mail.gmail.com> On 1/12/07, Paul Winkler wrote: > range anyway. (The fundamental of a low E on a bass guitar is about > 40 Hz, but most of the energy of that note is in the first few > overtones.) Fieldy/Korn plays on low string tuned to A - 27.5Hz :) From pw_lists at slinkp.com Fri Jan 12 17:40:22 2007 From: pw_lists at slinkp.com (Paul Winkler) Date: Fri Jan 12 17:41:02 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] abusive audio, will it blow up the PA? In-Reply-To: <70a871c80701121323s5bbb6437s7ee4c67f0552deb9@mail.gmail.com> References: <45A6B65A.5050205@gmail.com> <45A74B27.1030606@student.kug.ac.at> <45A75F99.4070700@gmail.com> <45A78023.2000101@student.kug.ac.at> <48d2154d0701120525r732d3524x6ae5c57d7e791e8b@mail.gmail.com> <20070112172805.GA7577@slinkp.com> <70a871c80701121323s5bbb6437s7ee4c67f0552deb9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20070112224022.GC7577@slinkp.com> On Sat, Jan 13, 2007 at 12:23:42AM +0300, Dmitry Baikov wrote: > On 1/12/07, Paul Winkler wrote: > >range anyway. (The fundamental of a low E on a bass guitar is about > >40 Hz, but most of the energy of that note is in the first few > >overtones.) > > Fieldy/Korn plays on low string tuned to A - 27.5Hz :) Heh. ok, but the point still stands... you're mostly hearing overtones. There is not a whole lot of energy coming from that bass at 27.5 Hz. Most of it is above 50 Hz. And most bass rigs and PA subwoofers don't have much output down at 27.5 Hz. Pretty much everything I know of has a steep rolloff well above 30 Hz. There are very few instruments that really have much output in the lowest octave of human hearing (20 - 40 Hz). IIRC pipe organ is one, the lowest frequency from a 32-foot pipe is actually below 20 Hz. Synthesizers of course can do anything :-) But even in heavily synthetic dance music most of the bass energy is typically up around 80 Hz or so. -- Paul Winkler http://www.slinkp.com From gnome at hawaii.rr.com Fri Jan 12 18:51:00 2007 From: gnome at hawaii.rr.com (david) Date: Fri Jan 12 18:51:20 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] abusive audio, will it blow up the PA? In-Reply-To: <70a871c80701121323s5bbb6437s7ee4c67f0552deb9@mail.gmail.com> References: <45A6B65A.5050205@gmail.com> <45A74B27.1030606@student.kug.ac.at> <45A75F99.4070700@gmail.com> <45A78023.2000101@student.kug.ac.at> <48d2154d0701120525r732d3524x6ae5c57d7e791e8b@mail.gmail.com> <20070112172805.GA7577@slinkp.com> <70a871c80701121323s5bbb6437s7ee4c67f0552deb9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <45A81EE4.5010907@hawaii.rr.com> Dmitry Baikov wrote: > On 1/12/07, Paul Winkler wrote: >> range anyway. (The fundamental of a low E on a bass guitar is about >> 40 Hz, but most of the energy of that note is in the first few >> overtones.) > > Fieldy/Korn plays on low string tuned to A - 27.5Hz :) Standard concert pitch tuning is 440Hz for the A above middle C. So every 88-key piano's lowest note is 27.5Hz. What took him so long to catch up? ;-) I believe the lowest pitch on a pipe organ would come from one of the two 64' pipes that exist in the world. The low C on a pipe organ keyboard's reference pitch is 64Hz for an 8' pipe, so a 64' pipe would be three octaves below that = 8Hz. -- David gnome@hawaii.rr.com authenticity, honesty, community From lanas at securenet.net Fri Jan 12 19:01:24 2007 From: lanas at securenet.net (lanas) Date: Fri Jan 12 18:55:56 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Fedora 6 x86_64 short report Message-ID: <20070112190124.58cb6c4c@mistral.stie> Folks, Here are my results/impressions after trying Fedora 6. Here's the machine ------------------ AMD Athlon(tm) 64 X2 Dual Core Processor 4600+ 4 GB RAM MSI K8N Neo4 SLI board NVidia 6600 Viewsonic VP211b 21.3" TFT screen Fedora 6 x86_64 Fedora stock Linux kernel (no real-time additions) KDE desktop In short -------- I got jack going using qjackctl, then I can fire up ZynAddSubFx (hey, no joke about heaven and hell fire here !), plug in the Axiom 25 and record a few lines using Seq24. Even Ardour 2 seems to accept some multitracking, but default colours are not that nice (can be customized I think). Jamin shows up nicely but I haven't tried it yet. LADSPA plugins works. Hydrogen works. Haven't tried Fluidsynth yet. Warning: I don't know what xruns are and undoubtly I would if they'd pop up and interfere with proper operation. But so far I haven't seen any. How it was done --------------- 1) Installed Fedora 6 x86_64, specifying/adding KDE desktop in the way. 2) Got NVidia beta driver (and added livna) rpm -ivh http://rpm.livna.org/livna-release-6.rpm yum --enable livna-testing install kmod-nvidia Finally I get real 1600x1200 resolution. SuSE 10.0 couldn't do it. I gather there's now a open source Nvidia driver by the splash screen. Is this made in collaboration with Nvidia ? 3) Adjusted access to priorities by adding this to /etc/security/limits.conf: # Added for audio * - rtprio 99 * - nice -10 * - memlock 4000000 BTW, I read that the above is an insecure configuration. So, some finetuning could be done with that. There's an active Fedora Firewall, as well as SELinux, so maybe this is not as critical as it sounds. I'd appreciate any input on this. 4) Added CCRMA rpm -Uvh http://ccrma.stanford.edu/planetccrma/mirror/fedora/linux/planetccrma/6/x86_64/planetccrma-repo-1.0-3.fc6.ccrma.noarch.rpm 5) Using kyum (added package right after install), got a handful of packages. 6) Have some fun, hopefully, and then some. Various notes ------------- With these settings I did not see any problems so far with the little things I did in playing and recording mainly with qarecord. A note on Beryl: it looks nice, with the windows looking like wet slices of bread thrown in the wind, but couldn't try it with the audio stuff as of today. I have the impression that it'd work. kyum is nice since it's quite straightforward. It's easier now to get audio going. I wouldn't be surprised that in the very near future there'll be a merge of CCRMA in such a way that it'll be a seemless integration to Fedora. Is it me or is the sound better ? Previously I was using on the same machine CCRMA in 32-bits mode. Subjectively I now find that Zyn sounds and their reverbs are sounding richer. Could this bit a by-product of 64 bits processing ? Pet peeves ---------- - No Rezound in sight at the moment - will have to give a try at compiling it - Fedora obstinates itself at trying to configure some eth2/sky2 device which has the net effect of throwing the boot sequence in text mode since that's not possible. - Beryl has worked _once_ (eg 'beryl-manager' from a console) but launching it later after reboot does not work. - Some minor issue with init of the eth0 device but this could very well have to do with the MSI K8N Neo4 board itself since SuSE 10.0 had a similar problem. Hoping this was somewhat interesting, Cheers, Al From nando at ccrma.Stanford.EDU Fri Jan 12 21:02:29 2007 From: nando at ccrma.Stanford.EDU (Fernando Lopez-Lezcano) Date: Fri Jan 12 21:02:39 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Fedora 6 x86_64 short report In-Reply-To: <20070112190124.58cb6c4c@mistral.stie> References: <20070112190124.58cb6c4c@mistral.stie> Message-ID: <1168653749.24163.51.camel@cmn3.stanford.edu> On Fri, 2007-01-12 at 19:01 -0500, lanas wrote: > 3) Adjusted access to priorities by adding this > to /etc/security/limits.conf: > > # Added for audio > * - rtprio 99 > * - nice -10 > * - memlock 4000000 > > BTW, I read that the above is an insecure configuration. So, some > finetuning could be done with that. There's an active Fedora > Firewall, as well as SELinux, so maybe this is not as critical as it > sounds. I'd appreciate any input on this. It all boils down to who can use programs that run with realtime priorities and whether you trust them. The above conf (which I use) gives access to everybody - meaning anybody can potentially hang the machine, either through buggy software, a mistake or intentionally. You can of course restrict things a bit more by using unix groups and only give access to a group of users (which you presumably trust...), then that's more "secure". Still, allowed users can hang the machine if they want. You could also restrict the range of priorities users can use, add a watchdog program that runs at a higer priority and kills or downgrades the scheduler to SCHED_OTHER of processes that are hogging the cpu - but IMHO things get complicated too fast, and sometimes you may _want_ to hog the cpu :-) ... If you are the only user then the above configuration is fine... -- Fernando From k.s.matheussen at notam02.no Sat Jan 13 07:36:17 2007 From: k.s.matheussen at notam02.no (Kjetil Svalastog Matheussen) Date: Sat Jan 13 07:36:54 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Fedora 6 x86_64 short report In-Reply-To: <20070113020249.B9BC85A92CDF@music.columbia.edu> References: <20070113020249.B9BC85A92CDF@music.columbia.edu> Message-ID: Fernando Lopez-Lezcano: > > On Fri, 2007-01-12 at 19:01 -0500, lanas wrote: >> 3) Adjusted access to priorities by adding this >> to /etc/security/limits.conf: >> >> # Added for audio >> * - rtprio 99 >> * - nice -10 >> * - memlock 4000000 >> >> BTW, I read that the above is an insecure configuration. So, some >> finetuning could be done with that. There's an active Fedora >> Firewall, as well as SELinux, so maybe this is not as critical as it >> sounds. I'd appreciate any input on this. > > It all boils down to who can use programs that run with realtime > priorities and whether you trust them. The above conf (which I use) > gives access to everybody - meaning anybody can potentially hang the > machine, either through buggy software, a mistake or intentionally. > > You can of course restrict things a bit more by using unix groups and > only give access to a group of users (which you presumably trust...), > then that's more "secure". Still, allowed users can hang the machine if > they want. > > You could also restrict the range of priorities users can use, add a > watchdog program that runs at a higer priority and kills or downgrades > the scheduler to SCHED_OTHER of processes that are hogging the cpu - but > IMHO things get complicated too fast, and sometimes you may _want_ to > hog the cpu :-) > Except for that want-to-hog-the-cpu scenario (which is very uncommon at least for audio usage), I would say that using either rt_watchdog or (especially) das_watchdog is a very good solution to the above mentioned problems. I don't know whats getting so complicated... From lanas at securenet.net Sat Jan 13 09:28:55 2007 From: lanas at securenet.net (lanas) Date: Sat Jan 13 09:23:21 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Fedora 6 x86_64 short report In-Reply-To: <20070112190124.58cb6c4c@mistral.stie> References: <20070112190124.58cb6c4c@mistral.stie> Message-ID: <20070113092855.060dc9c7@mistral.stie> On Fri, 12 Jan 2007 19:01:24 -0500 lanas a ?crit: > Here's the machine > ------------------ > > AMD Athlon(tm) 64 X2 Dual Core Processor 4600+ > 4 GB RAM > MSI K8N Neo4 SLI board > NVidia 6600 > Viewsonic VP211b 21.3" TFT screen > Fedora 6 x86_64 > Fedora stock Linux kernel (no real-time additions) > KDE desktop Incredible! This is Linux Audio and I forgot to specify the audio interface: M-Audio 1010LT M-Audio Studiophile speakers Cheers, Al From arnold.krille at gmail.com Sat Jan 13 16:11:50 2007 From: arnold.krille at gmail.com (Arnold Krille) Date: Sat Jan 13 16:17:05 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Fedora 6 x86_64 short report In-Reply-To: <20070112190124.58cb6c4c@mistral.stie> References: <20070112190124.58cb6c4c@mistral.stie> Message-ID: <2def88b80701131311g6376feafs1486063ffd4552b@mail.gmail.com> Hi all, 2007/1/13, lanas : > Here are my results/impressions after trying Fedora 6. > Here's the machine > AMD Athlon(tm) 64 X2 Dual Core Processor 4600+ Well, congrats! But: Why is it such a surprise to have these things going on a (mostly) uncustomized installation? I am running a gentoo-install with just gentoo-standard versions on an amd64 in 64bit mode for over a year now. And I do semi-professional audio with my tascam-usb-device with low-latency since the beginning with this thing. And everything works without any problems, at least without any 64-related issues. While it is interesting to here success-stories from people with strange hardware, I don't think neither 64bit nor an smp-machine are that rare. So its no wonder everything works there... Have a nice weekend, Arnold, preparing for his firewire-interface to arrive -- visit http://www.arnoldarts.de/ --- Wenn man mit Raubkopien Bands wie Brosis oder Britney Spears wirklich verhindern k?nnte, w?rde ich mir noch heute einen Stapel Brenner und einen Sack Rohlinge kaufen. From lt at westnet.com Sat Jan 13 19:37:44 2007 From: lt at westnet.com (Larry Troxler) Date: Sat Jan 13 19:38:11 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] DeMuDi status? Distribution for gig synth? Message-ID: <45A97B58.70307@westnet.com> Now that demudi.agnula.org seems to have been taken over, is there any other site that has a copy of this distribution? Is it wise at this point to continue using it? I just recently installed it, so I'm not overly comitted to it yet. I'm looking for a distribution that would be suitable for a rackmount PC-based synthesizer that I can take to occasional gigs. DeMuDi seems to fit the bill, because it is nice and trimmed down, as opposed to (I suspect) Planet CCRMA. Larry From gnome at hawaii.rr.com Sat Jan 13 19:55:00 2007 From: gnome at hawaii.rr.com (david) Date: Sat Jan 13 19:55:11 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] DeMuDi status? Distribution for gig synth? In-Reply-To: <45A97B58.70307@westnet.com> References: <45A97B58.70307@westnet.com> Message-ID: <45A97F64.70208@hawaii.rr.com> Larry Troxler wrote: > Now that demudi.agnula.org seems to have been taken over, I'd say more like someone neglected to renew the domain name. > is there any > other site that has a copy of this distribution? That would be nice - any mirrors? I checked the Wayback Machine - - where it has the text content and such, but not the ISOs. -- David gnome@hawaii.rr.com authenticity, honesty, community From ken at restivo.org Sat Jan 13 21:42:16 2007 From: ken at restivo.org (Ken Restivo) Date: Sat Jan 13 21:43:26 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] jack.plumbing segfault Message-ID: <20070114024216.GA10019@bc.restivo.org> Skipped content of type multipart/mixed-------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://music.columbia.edu/pipermail/linux-audio-user/attachments/20070113/db1836b0/attachment-0001.bin From _ at whats-your.name Sat Jan 13 21:52:32 2007 From: _ at whats-your.name (carmen) Date: Sat Jan 13 21:52:09 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] jack.plumbing segfault In-Reply-To: <20070114024216.GA10019@bc.restivo.org> References: <20070114024216.GA10019@bc.restivo.org> Message-ID: <20070114025232.GA16390@replic.net> On Sat Jan 13, 2007 at 06:42:16PM -0800, Ken Restivo wrote: > jack.plumbing is giving me segfaults shortly after launch. > > I've attached an strace. I got no backtrace in gdb, usually don't with SIGSEGV's anyway. And I dunno how useful it would be to run a process that talks to jack (realtime, low-latency) under GDB anyway. > > My .jack.plumbing is also attached just for fun. you should proably email Rohan Drape i like jack.plumbing in concept. but its saddled by a number of issues - first the tarball is almost impossible to track down (the slavepianos site seems to be up recently though, so maybe you can find it on there), it segfaults, and doesnt actually 'plumb'. at least for me it would be great to see it fixed. does anything else do plumbing besides QcrapCTL? > > -ken > execve("/usr/bin/jack.plumbing", ["jack.plumbing"], [/* 33 vars */]) = 0 > uname({sys="Linux", node="mac", ...}) = 0 > brk(0) = 0x804c000 > access("/etc/ld.so.nohwcap", F_OK) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory) > mmap2(NULL, 8192, PROT_READ|PROT_WRITE, MAP_PRIVATE|MAP_ANONYMOUS, -1, 0) = 0xb7f54000 > access("/etc/ld.so.preload", R_OK) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory) > open("/etc/ld.so.cache", O_RDONLY) = 3 > fstat64(3, {st_mode=S_IFREG|0644, st_size=62346, ...}) = 0 > mmap2(NULL, 62346, PROT_READ, MAP_PRIVATE, 3, 0) = 0xb7f44000 > close(3) = 0 > access("/etc/ld.so.nohwcap", F_OK) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory) > open("/usr/lib/libjack-0.100.0.so.0", O_RDONLY) = 3 > read(3, "\177ELF\1\1\1\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\3\0\3\0\1\0\0\0\2409\0"..., 512) = 512 > fstat64(3, {st_mode=S_IFREG|0644, st_size=59932, ...}) = 0 > mmap2(NULL, 91800, PROT_READ|PROT_EXEC, MAP_PRIVATE|MAP_DENYWRITE, 3, 0) = 0xb7f2d000 > mmap2(0xb7f39000, 12288, PROT_READ|PROT_WRITE, MAP_PRIVATE|MAP_FIXED|MAP_DENYWRITE, 3, 0xc) = 0xb7f39000 > mmap2(0xb7f3c000, 30360, PROT_READ|PROT_WRITE, MAP_PRIVATE|MAP_FIXED|MAP_ANONYMOUS, -1, 0) = 0xb7f3c000 > close(3) = 0 > access("/etc/ld.so.nohwcap", F_OK) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory) > open("/lib/tls/i686/cmov/libc.so.6", O_RDONLY) = 3 > read(3, "\177ELF\1\1\1\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\3\0\3\0\1\0\0\0\240O\1"..., 512) = 512 > fstat64(3, {st_mode=S_IFREG|0644, st_size=1241580, ...}) = 0 > mmap2(NULL, 1247388, PROT_READ|PROT_EXEC, MAP_PRIVATE|MAP_DENYWRITE, 3, 0) = 0xb7dfc000 > mmap2(0xb7f23000, 28672, PROT_READ|PROT_WRITE, MAP_PRIVATE|MAP_FIXED|MAP_DENYWRITE, 3, 0x127) = 0xb7f23000 > mmap2(0xb7f2a000, 10396, PROT_READ|PROT_WRITE, MAP_PRIVATE|MAP_FIXED|MAP_ANONYMOUS, -1, 0) = 0xb7f2a000 > close(3) = 0 > access("/etc/ld.so.nohwcap", F_OK) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory) > open("/lib/tls/i686/cmov/libpthread.so.0", O_RDONLY) = 3 > read(3, "\177ELF\1\1\1\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\3\0\3\0\1\0\0\0\240H\0"..., 512) = 512 > fstat64(3, {st_mode=S_IFREG|0755, st_size=89370, ...}) = 0 > mmap2(NULL, 4096, PROT_READ|PROT_WRITE, MAP_PRIVATE|MAP_ANONYMOUS, -1, 0) = 0xb7dfb000 > mmap2(NULL, 70104, PROT_READ|PROT_EXEC, MAP_PRIVATE|MAP_DENYWRITE, 3, 0) = 0xb7de9000 > mmap2(0xb7df7000, 8192, PROT_READ|PROT_WRITE, MAP_PRIVATE|MAP_FIXED|MAP_DENYWRITE, 3, 0xe) = 0xb7df7000 > mmap2(0xb7df9000, 4568, PROT_READ|PROT_WRITE, MAP_PRIVATE|MAP_FIXED|MAP_ANONYMOUS, -1, 0) = 0xb7df9000 > close(3) = 0 > access("/etc/ld.so.nohwcap", F_OK) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory) > open("/lib/tls/i686/cmov/libm.so.6", O_RDONLY) = 3 > read(3, "\177ELF\1\1\1\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\3\0\3\0\1\0\0\0`3\0\000"..., 512) = 512 > fstat64(3, {st_mode=S_IFREG|0644, st_size=145136, ...}) = 0 > mmap2(NULL, 147584, PROT_READ|PROT_EXEC, MAP_PRIVATE|MAP_DENYWRITE, 3, 0) = 0xb7dc4000 > mmap2(0xb7de7000, 8192, PROT_READ|PROT_WRITE, MAP_PRIVATE|MAP_FIXED|MAP_DENYWRITE, 3, 0x22) = 0xb7de7000 > close(3) = 0 > access("/etc/ld.so.nohwcap", F_OK) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory) > open("/lib/tls/i686/cmov/libdl.so.2", O_RDONLY) = 3 > read(3, "\177ELF\1\1\1\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\3\0\3\0\1\0\0\0\20\f\0"..., 512) = 512 > fstat64(3, {st_mode=S_IFREG|0644, st_size=9592, ...}) = 0 > mmap2(NULL, 12404, PROT_READ|PROT_EXEC, MAP_PRIVATE|MAP_DENYWRITE, 3, 0) = 0xb7dc0000 > mmap2(0xb7dc2000, 8192, PROT_READ|PROT_WRITE, MAP_PRIVATE|MAP_FIXED|MAP_DENYWRITE, 3, 0x1) = 0xb7dc2000 > close(3) = 0 > mmap2(NULL, 4096, PROT_READ|PROT_WRITE, MAP_PRIVATE|MAP_ANONYMOUS, -1, 0) = 0xb7dbf000 > mprotect(0xb7f23000, 20480, PROT_READ) = 0 > set_thread_area({entry_number:-1 -> 6, base_addr:0xb7dbf8e0, limit:1048575, seg_32bit:1, contents:0, read_exec_only:0, limit_in_pages:1, seg_not_present:0, useable:1}) = 0 > munmap(0xb7f44000, 62346) = 0 > set_tid_address(0xb7dbf928) = 5106 > rt_sigaction(SIGRTMIN, {0xb7ded4c0, [], SA_SIGINFO}, NULL, 8) = 0 > rt_sigaction(SIGRT_1, {0xb7ded420, [], SA_RESTART|SA_SIGINFO}, NULL, 8) = 0 > rt_sigprocmask(SIG_UNBLOCK, [RTMIN RT_1], NULL, 8) = 0 > getrlimit(RLIMIT_STACK, {rlim_cur=8192*1024, rlim_max=RLIM_INFINITY}) = 0 > uname({sys="Linux", node="mac", ...}) = 0 > stat64("/etc/jack.plumbing", 0xbf8caff0) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory) > write(2, "Rule file does not exist: \'/etc/"..., 48Rule file does not exist: '/etc/jack.plumbing'. > ) = 48 > stat64("/home/localken/.jack.plumbing", {st_mode=S_IFREG|0644, st_size=813, ...}) = 0 > stat64("/home/localken/.jack.plumbing", {st_mode=S_IFREG|0644, st_size=813, ...}) = 0 > brk(0) = 0x804c000 > brk(0x806d000) = 0x806d000 > open("/etc/jack.plumbing", O_RDONLY) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory) > write(2, "Rule file inaccessible: \'/etc/ja"..., 46Rule file inaccessible: '/etc/jack.plumbing'. > ) = 46 > open("/home/localken/.jack.plumbing", O_RDONLY) = 3 > fstat64(3, {st_mode=S_IFREG|0644, st_size=813, ...}) = 0 > mmap2(NULL, 4096, PROT_READ|PROT_WRITE, MAP_PRIVATE|MAP_ANONYMOUS, -1, 0) = 0xb7f53000 > read(3, ";; things i always want connecte"..., 4096) = 813 > write(2, "Rule accepted: \'connect\' , \'jack"..., 92Rule accepted: 'connect' , 'jack_rack_rhodes:out_1' - 'freebob_pcm:dev1p_LineOut 1+2 left'. > ) = 92 > write(2, "Add rule: \'0\' , \'jack_rack_rhode"..., 81Add rule: '0' , 'jack_rack_rhodes:out_1' - 'freebob_pcm:dev1p_LineOut 1+2 left'. > ) = 81 > write(2, "Rule accepted: \'connect\' , \'jack"..., 93Rule accepted: 'connect' , 'jack_rack_rhodes:out_2' - 'freebob_pcm:dev1p_LineOut 1+2 right'. > ) = 93 > write(2, "Add rule: \'0\' , \'jack_rack_rhode"..., 82Add rule: '0' , 'jack_rack_rhodes:out_2' - 'freebob_pcm:dev1p_LineOut 1+2 right'. > ) = 82 > write(2, "Rule accepted: \'connect\' , \'swee"..., 85Rule accepted: 'connect' , 'sweep:output_(.*)' - 'freebob_pcm:dev1p_LineOut 1+2 \1'. > ) = 85 > write(2, "Add rule: \'0\' , \'sweep:output_(."..., 74Add rule: '0' , 'sweep:output_(.*)' - 'freebob_pcm:dev1p_LineOut 1+2 \1'. > ) = 74 > write(2, "Rule accepted: \'connect\' , \'ams_"..., 88Rule accepted: 'connect' , 'ams_(.*):ams_out_1' - 'freebob_pcm:dev1p_LineOut 1+2 left'. > ) = 88 > write(2, "Add rule: \'0\' , \'ams_(.*):ams_ou"..., 77Add rule: '0' , 'ams_(.*):ams_out_1' - 'freebob_pcm:dev1p_LineOut 1+2 left'. > ) = 77 > write(2, "Rule accepted: \'connect\' , \'ams_"..., 89Rule accepted: 'connect' , 'ams_(.*):ams_out_2' - 'freebob_pcm:dev1p_LineOut 1+2 right'. > ) = 89 > write(2, "Add rule: \'0\' , \'ams_(.*):ams_ou"..., 78Add rule: '0' , 'ams_(.*):ams_out_2' - 'freebob_pcm:dev1p_LineOut 1+2 right'. > ) = 78 > write(2, "Rule accepted: \'connect\' , \'mpg1"..., 87Rule accepted: 'connect' , 'mpg123_(.*):out_1' - 'freebob_pcm:dev1p_LineOut 1+2 left'. > ) = 87 > write(2, "Add rule: \'0\' , \'mpg123_(.*):out"..., 76Add rule: '0' , 'mpg123_(.*):out_1' - 'freebob_pcm:dev1p_LineOut 1+2 left'. > ) = 76 > write(2, "Rule accepted: \'connect\' , \'mpg1"..., 88Rule accepted: 'connect' , 'mpg123_(.*):out_2' - 'freebob_pcm:dev1p_LineOut 1+2 right'. > ) = 88 > write(2, "Add rule: \'0\' , \'mpg123_(.*):out"..., 77Add rule: '0' , 'mpg123_(.*):out_2' - 'freebob_pcm:dev1p_LineOut 1+2 right'. > ) = 77 > write(2, "Rule accepted: \'connect\' , \'Hydr"..., 88Rule accepted: 'connect' , 'Hydrogen(.*):out_L' - 'freebob_pcm:dev1p_LineOut 1+2 left'. > ) = 88 > write(2, "Add rule: \'0\' , \'Hydrogen(.*):ou"..., 77Add rule: '0' , 'Hydrogen(.*):out_L' - 'freebob_pcm:dev1p_LineOut 1+2 left'. > ) = 77 > write(2, "Rule accepted: \'connect\' , \'Hydr"..., 89Rule accepted: 'connect' , 'Hydrogen(.*):out_R' - 'freebob_pcm:dev1p_LineOut 1+2 right'. > ) = 89 > write(2, "Add rule: \'0\' , \'Hydrogen(.*):ou"..., 78Add rule: '0' , 'Hydrogen(.*):out_R' - 'freebob_pcm:dev1p_LineOut 1+2 right'. > ) = 78 > write(2, "Rule accepted: \'connect-exclusiv"..., 78Rule accepted: 'connect-exclusive' , 'rhodes:left' - 'jack_rack_rhodes:in_1'. > ) = 78 > write(2, "Add rule: \'1\' , \'rhodes:left\' - "..., 57Add rule: '1' , 'rhodes:left' - 'jack_rack_rhodes:in_1'. > ) = 57 > read(3, "", 4096) = 0 > write(2, "Rule accepted: \'connect-exclusiv"..., 79Rule accepted: 'connect-exclusive' , 'rhodes:right' - 'jack_rack_rhodes:in_2'. > ) = 79 > write(2, "Add rule: \'1\' , \'rhodes:right\' -"..., 58Add rule: '1' , 'rhodes:right' - 'jack_rack_rhodes:in_2'. > ) = 58 > read(3, "", 4096) = 0 > close(3) = 0 > munmap(0xb7f53000, 4096) = 0 > open("/proc/cpuinfo", O_RDONLY) = 3 > fstat64(3, {st_mode=S_IFREG|0444, st_size=0, ...}) = 0 > mmap2(NULL, 4096, PROT_READ|PROT_WRITE, MAP_PRIVATE|MAP_ANONYMOUS, -1, 0) = 0xb7f53000 > read(3, "processor\t: 0\nvendor_id\t: Genuin"..., 1024) = 1024 > close(3) = 0 > munmap(0xb7f53000, 4096) = 0 > socket(PF_FILE, SOCK_STREAM, 0) = 3 > getuid32() = 1000 > connect(3, {sa_family=AF_FILE, path="/dev/shm/jack-1000/default/jack_0"}, 110) = 0 > write(3, "\17\0\0\0\1\0\0\0\2\0\0\0\3\0\0\0jack.plumbing\0\0\0"..., 5172) = 5172 > read(3, "\0\0\0\0\t\0\0\0\0 \371\267\0\0\0\0\0@\371\267/dev/shm"..., 4172) = 4172 > getuid32() = 1000 > semget(2631977, 0, 0) = 0 > semop(0, 0xbf8ca3fa, 1) = 0 > shmget(2631977, 6200, 0666) = 98305 > shmat(98305, 0, 0) = 0xb7f52000 > semop(0, 0xbf8ca3fe, 1) = 0 > shmat(131074, 0, 0) = 0xb7f47000 > shmat(1867791, 0, 0) = 0xb7f46000 > shmctl(1867791, IPC_64|IPC_RMID, 0) = 0 > shmat(163843, 0, 0) = 0xb7d7f000 > socket(PF_FILE, SOCK_STREAM, 0) = 4 > connect(4, {sa_family=AF_FILE, path="/dev/shm/jack-1000/default/jack_ack_0"}, 110) = 0 > write(4, "\r\0\0\0", 4) = 4 > read(4, "\0", 1) = 1 > mlockall(MCL_CURRENT|MCL_FUTURE) = 0 > mmap2(NULL, 8392704, PROT_READ|PROT_WRITE, MAP_PRIVATE|MAP_ANONYMOUS, -1, 0) = 0xb757e000 > mprotect(0xb757e000, 4096, PROT_NONE) = 0 > clone(Process 5107 attached > child_stack=0xb7d7e4c4, flags=CLONE_VM|CLONE_FS|CLONE_FILES|CLONE_SIGHAND|CLONE_THREAD|CLONE_SYSVSEM|CLONE_SETTLS|CLONE_PARENT_SETTID|CLONE_CHILD_CLEARTID|CLONE_DETACHED, parent_tidptr=0xb7d7ebf8, {entry_number:6, base_addr:0xb7d7ebb0, limit:1048575, seg_32bit:1, contents:0, read_exec_only:0, limit_in_pages:1, seg_not_present:0, useable:1}, child_tidptr=0xb7d7ebf8) = 5107 > [pid 5106] sched_setscheduler(5107, SCHED_OTHER, { 0 }) = 0 > [pid 5106] futex(0xb7f3b5c4, FUTEX_WAIT, 1, NULL > [pid 5107] sched_setscheduler(5107, SCHED_FIFO, { 79 }) = 0 > [pid 5107] futex(0xb7f3b5c4, FUTEX_WAKE, 1) = 1 > [pid 5107] getpgrp() = 5105 > [pid 5107] poll( > [pid 5106] <... futex resumed> ) = 0 > [pid 5106] futex(0xb7f3b5a4, FUTEX_WAKE, 1) = 0 > [pid 5106] write(3, "\6\0\0\0\r\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0"..., 5172) = 5172 > [pid 5106] read(3, > [pid 5107] <... poll resumed> [{fd=4, events=POLLIN|POLLERR|POLLHUP|POLLNVAL, revents=POLLIN}, {fd=-1}], 2, 1000) = 1 > [pid 5107] read(4, "\5\0\0\0\7\0\0\0\0\0\0\0", 12) = 12 > [pid 5107] open("/dev/shm/jack-1000/default/jack-ack-fifo-4948-7", O_RDONLY|O_NONBLOCK) = 5 > [pid 5107] open("/dev/shm/jack-1000/default/jack-ack-fifo-4948-8", O_WRONLY|O_NONBLOCK) = 6 > [pid 5107] futex(0xbf950380, FUTEX_WAKE, 1) = 0 > [pid 5107] write(4, "\0", 1) = 1 > [pid 5107] poll( > [pid 5106] <... read resumed> "\6\0\0\0\r\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0"..., 5172) = 5172 > [pid 5106] mmap2(NULL, 8392704, PROT_READ|PROT_WRITE, MAP_PRIVATE|MAP_ANONYMOUS, -1, 0) = 0xb6d7d000 > [pid 5106] mprotect(0xb6d7d000, 4096, PROT_NONE) = 0 > [pid 5106] clone(Process 5108 attached > child_stack=0xb757d4c4, flags=CLONE_VM|CLONE_FS|CLONE_FILES|CLONE_SIGHAND|CLONE_THREAD|CLONE_SYSVSEM|CLONE_SETTLS|CLONE_PARENT_SETTID|CLONE_CHILD_CLEARTID|CLONE_DETACHED, parent_tidptr=0xb757dbf8, {entry_number:6, base_addr:0xb757dbb0, limit:1048575, seg_32bit:1, contents:0, read_exec_only:0, limit_in_pages:1, seg_not_present:0, useable:1}, child_tidptr=0xb757dbf8) = 5108 > [pid 5106] futex(0xb757dbf8, FUTEX_WAIT, 5108, NULL > [pid 5108] stat64("/etc/jack.plumbing", 0xb757c7d0) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory) > [pid 5108] write(2, "Rule file does not exist: \'/etc/"..., 48Rule file does not exist: '/etc/jack.plumbing'. > ) = 48 > [pid 5108] stat64("/home/localken/.jack.plumbing", {st_mode=S_IFREG|0644, st_size=813, ...}) = 0 > [pid 5108] stat64("/home/localken/.jack.plumbing", {st_mode=S_IFREG|0644, st_size=813, ...}) = 0 > [pid 5108] write(2, "Rule file not modified: \'/home/l"..., 57Rule file not modified: '/home/localken/.jack.plumbing'. > ) = 57 > [pid 5108] nanosleep({0, 200000000}, > [pid 5107] <... poll resumed> [{fd=4, events=POLLIN|POLLERR|POLLHUP|POLLNVAL}, {fd=5, events=POLLIN|POLLERR|POLLHUP|POLLNVAL, revents=POLLIN}], 2, 1000) = 1 > [pid 5107] write(6, "\0", 1) = 1 > [pid 5107] read(5, "\265", 1) = 1 > [pid 5107] poll([{fd=4, events=POLLIN|POLLERR|POLLHUP|POLLNVAL}, {fd=5, events=POLLIN|POLLERR|POLLHUP|POLLNVAL, revents=POLLIN}], 2, 1000) = 1 > [pid 5107] write(6, "\265", 1) = 1 > [pid 5107] read(5, "\265", 1) = 1 > [pid 5107] poll([{fd=4, events=POLLIN|POLLERR|POLLHUP|POLLNVAL}, {fd=5, events=POLLIN|POLLERR|POLLHUP|POLLNVAL, revents=POLLIN}], 2, 1000) = 1 > [pid 5107] write(6, "\265", 1) = 1 > [pid 5107] read(5, "\265", 1) = 1 > [pid 5107] poll([{fd=4, events=POLLIN|POLLERR|POLLHUP|POLLNVAL}, {fd=5, events=POLLIN|POLLERR|POLLHUP|POLLNVAL, revents=POLLIN}], 2, 1000) = 1 > [pid 5107] write(6, "\265", 1) = 1 > [pid 5107] read(5, "\265", 1) = 1 > [pid 5107] poll([{fd=4, events=POLLIN|POLLERR|POLLHUP|POLLNVAL}, {fd=5, events=POLLIN|POLLERR|POLLHUP|POLLNVAL, revents=POLLIN}], 2, 1000) = 1 > [pid 5107] write(6, "\265", 1) = 1 > [pid 5107] read(5, "\265", 1) = 1 > [pid 5107] poll([{fd=4, events=POLLIN|POLLERR|POLLHUP|POLLNVAL}, {fd=5, events=POLLIN|POLLERR|POLLHUP|POLLNVAL, revents=POLLIN}], 2, 1000) = 1 > [pid 5107] write(6, "\265", 1) = 1 > [pid 5107] read(5, "\265", 1) = 1 > [pid 5107] poll([{fd=4, events=POLLIN|POLLERR|POLLHUP|POLLNVAL}, {fd=5, events=POLLIN|POLLERR|POLLHUP|POLLNVAL, revents=POLLIN}], 2, 1000) = 1 > [pid 5107] write(6, "\265", 1) = 1 > [pid 5107] read(5, "\265", 1) = 1 > [pid 5107] poll([{fd=4, events=POLLIN|POLLERR|POLLHUP|POLLNVAL}, {fd=5, events=POLLIN|POLLERR|POLLHUP|POLLNVAL, revents=POLLIN}], 2, 1000) = 1 > [pid 5107] write(6, "\265", 1) = 1 > [pid 5107] read(5, "\265", 1) = 1 > [pid 5107] poll([{fd=4, events=POLLIN|POLLERR|POLLHUP|POLLNVAL}, {fd=5, events=POLLIN|POLLERR|POLLHUP|POLLNVAL, revents=POLLIN}], 2, 1000) = 1 > [pid 5107] write(6, "\265", 1) = 1 > [pid 5107] read(5, "\265", 1) = 1 > [pid 5107] poll([{fd=4, events=POLLIN|POLLERR|POLLHUP|POLLNVAL}, {fd=5, events=POLLIN|POLLERR|POLLHUP|POLLNVAL, revents=POLLIN}], 2, 1000) = 1 > [pid 5107] write(6, "\265", 1) = 1 > [pid 5107] read(5, "\265", 1) = 1 > [pid 5107] poll([{fd=4, events=POLLIN|POLLERR|POLLHUP|POLLNVAL}, {fd=5, events=POLLIN|POLLERR|POLLHUP|POLLNVAL, revents=POLLIN}], 2, 1000) = 1 > [pid 5107] write(6, "\265", 1) = 1 > [pid 5107] read(5, "\265", 1) = 1 > [pid 5107] poll([{fd=4, events=POLLIN|POLLERR|POLLHUP|POLLNVAL}, {fd=5, events=POLLIN|POLLERR|POLLHUP|POLLNVAL, revents=POLLIN}], 2, 1000) = 1 > [pid 5107] write(6, "\265", 1) = 1 > [pid 5107] read(5, "\265", 1) = 1 > [pid 5107] poll([{fd=4, events=POLLIN|POLLERR|POLLHUP|POLLNVAL}, {fd=5, events=POLLIN|POLLERR|POLLHUP|POLLNVAL, revents=POLLIN}], 2, 1000) = 1 > [pid 5107] write(6, "\265", 1) = 1 > [pid 5107] read(5, "\265", 1) = 1 > [pid 5107] poll([{fd=4, events=POLLIN|POLLERR|POLLHUP|POLLNVAL}, {fd=5, events=POLLIN|POLLERR|POLLHUP|POLLNVAL, revents=POLLIN}], 2, 1000) = 1 > [pid 5107] write(6, "\265", 1) = 1 > [pid 5107] read(5, "\265", 1) = 1 > [pid 5107] poll([{fd=4, events=POLLIN|POLLERR|POLLHUP|POLLNVAL}, {fd=5, events=POLLIN|POLLERR|POLLHUP|POLLNVAL, revents=POLLIN}], 2, 1000) = 1 > [pid 5107] write(6, "\265", 1) = 1 > [pid 5107] read(5, "\265", 1) = 1 > [pid 5107] poll([{fd=4, events=POLLIN|POLLERR|POLLHUP|POLLNVAL}, {fd=5, events=POLLIN|POLLERR|POLLHUP|POLLNVAL, revents=POLLIN}], 2, 1000) = 1 > [pid 5107] write(6, "\265", 1) = 1 > [pid 5107] read(5, "\265", 1) = 1 > [pid 5107] poll([{fd=4, events=POLLIN|POLLERR|POLLHUP|POLLNVAL}, {fd=5, events=POLLIN|POLLERR|POLLHUP|POLLNVAL, revents=POLLIN}], 2, 1000) = 1 > [pid 5107] write(6, "\265", 1) = 1 > [pid 5107] read(5, "\265", 1) = 1 > [pid 5107] poll([{fd=4, events=POLLIN|POLLERR|POLLHUP|POLLNVAL}, {fd=5, events=POLLIN|POLLERR|POLLHUP|POLLNVAL, revents=POLLIN}], 2, 1000) = 1 > [pid 5107] write(6, "\265", 1) = 1 > [pid 5107] read(5, "\265", 1) = 1 > [pid 5107] poll([{fd=4, events=POLLIN|POLLERR|POLLHUP|POLLNVAL}, {fd=5, events=POLLIN|POLLERR|POLLHUP|POLLNVAL, revents=POLLIN}], 2, 1000) = 1 > [pid 5107] write(6, "\265", 1) = 1 > [pid 5107] read(5, "\265", 1) = 1 > [pid 5107] poll( > [pid 5108] <... nanosleep resumed> NULL) = 0 > [pid 5108] brk(0x808e000) = 0x808e000 > [pid 5108] brk(0x808c000) = 0x808c000 > [pid 5108] brk(0x8085000) = 0x8085000 > [pid 5108] --- SIGSEGV (Segmentation fault) @ 0 (0) --- > Process 5108 detached > [pid 5106] <... futex resumed> ) = -1 EINTR (Interrupted system call) > [pid 5107] <... poll resumed> [{fd=4, events=POLLIN|POLLERR|POLLHUP|POLLNVAL}, {fd=5, events=POLLIN|POLLERR|POLLHUP|POLLNVAL}], 2, 1000) = -1 EINTR (Interrupted system call) > [pid 5107] +++ killed by SIGSEGV +++ > Process 5107 detached > +++ killed by SIGSEGV +++ > Process 5106 detached > ;; things i always want connected to the output > (connect "jack_rack_rhodes:out_1" "freebob_pcm:dev1p_LineOut 1+2 left") > (connect "jack_rack_rhodes:out_2" "freebob_pcm:dev1p_LineOut 1+2 right") > > (connect "sweep:output_(.*)" "freebob_pcm:dev1p_LineOut 1+2 \1") > > (connect "ams_(.*):ams_out_1" "freebob_pcm:dev1p_LineOut 1+2 left") > (connect "ams_(.*):ams_out_2" "freebob_pcm:dev1p_LineOut 1+2 right") > > (connect "mpg123_(.*):out_1" "freebob_pcm:dev1p_LineOut 1+2 left") > (connect "mpg123_(.*):out_2" "freebob_pcm:dev1p_LineOut 1+2 right") > > > (connect "Hydrogen(.*):out_L" "freebob_pcm:dev1p_LineOut 1+2 left") > (connect "Hydrogen(.*):out_R" "freebob_pcm:dev1p_LineOut 1+2 right") > > > ;; my override patches > (connect-exclusive "rhodes:left" "jack_rack_rhodes:in_1") > (connect-exclusive "rhodes:right" "jack_rack_rhodes:in_2") From lanas at securenet.net Sat Jan 13 22:40:14 2007 From: lanas at securenet.net (lanas) Date: Sat Jan 13 22:34:30 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Fedora 6 x86_64 short report In-Reply-To: <2def88b80701131311g6376feafs1486063ffd4552b@mail.gmail.com> References: <20070112190124.58cb6c4c@mistral.stie> <2def88b80701131311g6376feafs1486063ffd4552b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20070113224014.1fcb160a@mistral.stie> On Sat, 13 Jan 2007 22:11:50 +0100 "Arnold Krille" hat geschreibt: > 2007/1/13, lanas : > > Here are my results/impressions after trying Fedora 6. > > Here's the machine > > AMD Athlon(tm) 64 X2 Dual Core Processor 4600+ > > > Well, congrats! > > But: Why is it such a surprise to have these things going on a > (mostly) uncustomized installation? This is because I used to run CCRMA (32 bits) before and it needed another kernel than the one given with Fedora 5. Well, since many years I hear about the need to have real-time specs to run audio apps. Same with window managers: a lean one is better than KDE for audio applications. Well, today I used the fancy Beryl with KDE and I had the water effect (shift F9) running all the time and rotating the cube while Seq24 was playing lots of notes using Zyn and qsynth and Hydrogen. It means that it is now possible to have fancy 3D desktop managers/effects while still doing audio work and that, without having a patched, specially installed kernel. The days of running Window Maker with a highly patched kernel are over. And with the price of 64 bits machines going down, it'll just get better. So you see, this is were the surprise comes from. It could very well be that Windows does 10 times more than that, but I'm very proud of running such a performant, free, open source, Linux system. Now, if only I could make interesting music ! ;-) Tsch?ss, Al From ken at restivo.org Sun Jan 14 01:36:38 2007 From: ken at restivo.org (Ken Restivo) Date: Sun Jan 14 01:37:06 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] jack.plumbing segfault In-Reply-To: <20070114025232.GA16390@replic.net> References: <20070114024216.GA10019@bc.restivo.org> <20070114025232.GA16390@replic.net> Message-ID: <20070114063638.GA16925@bc.restivo.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Sat, Jan 13, 2007 at 09:52:32PM -0500, carmen wrote: > On Sat Jan 13, 2007 at 06:42:16PM -0800, Ken Restivo wrote: > > jack.plumbing is giving me segfaults shortly after launch. > > > > I've attached an strace. I got no backtrace in gdb, usually don't with SIGSEGV's anyway. And I dunno how useful it would be to run a process that talks to jack (realtime, low-latency) under GDB anyway. > > > > My .jack.plumbing is also attached just for fun. > > > you should proably email Rohan Drape > > i like jack.plumbing in concept. but its saddled by a number of issues - first the tarball is almost impossible to track down (the slavepianos site seems to be up recently though, so maybe you can find it on there), it segfaults, and doesnt actually 'plumb'. at least for me > > it would be great to see it fixed. does anything else do plumbing besides QcrapCTL? > > Well this is very bizarre. First of all, I *like* jack.plumbing. It worked for me up until recently, and I've been trying to figure out WTF happened. So far, the answer appears to be: - -P 60 I'm not kidding. Starting jackd with -P 80 causes two things to break: 1) Rosegarden slows my softsynths down to a crawl, such that whenever jack transport is running, my latency for softsynths gets noticeably (and unusably) worse. So I took Rosegarden out of the loop, and, sure enough, if I connect my USB keyboard directly to the softsynth, latency is fine. If I connect it through Rosegarden (which I need to do in order to record), then it lags. 2) That appears to have been causing jack.plumbing to segfault! If I bring jackd back to -P 60, jack.plumbing works again. Any ideas what's going on here? Only thing I can guess is that the -P setting doesn't apply to all realtime applications, only to jackd itself. So, with it set too high, programs like rosegarden or jack.plumbing get starved for resources. Another possibility is that my recent use of rtirq may be a factor. Maybe the alsa MIDI driver is getting starved and is too low priority, and jack is grabbing all the resources. What I'm worried about is the possibility of getting Xruns when running Ardour now, which is why I started messing with this. I hope I'm wrong, but it seems like ardour, rosegarden, alsa, freebob, and softsynhs, are all competing for resources and do not play well together-- if I make one happy, one or more of the others start breaking. *sigh* - -ken -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFFqc92e8HF+6xeOIcRAlr6AKDgcyWek3aPiNUxuFNnq1ziVu2JMwCg0sdZ mx+X6sPUzXCdFCjFnuYgLk4= =qXsY -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From epprecht at solnet.ch Sun Jan 14 01:35:07 2007 From: epprecht at solnet.ch (Robert Epprecht) Date: Sun Jan 14 01:55:11 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: DeMuDi status? Distribution for gig synth? In-Reply-To: <45A97B58.70307@westnet.com> (Larry Troxler's message of "Sat, 13 Jan 2007 19:37:44 -0500") References: <45A97B58.70307@westnet.com> Message-ID: <86odp29kv8.fsf@solnet.ch> Larry Troxler writes: > Now that demudi.agnula.org seems to have been taken over, is there any > other site that has a copy of this distribution? http://www.agnula.info/ Robert Epprecht From gnome at hawaii.rr.com Sun Jan 14 02:02:47 2007 From: gnome at hawaii.rr.com (david) Date: Sun Jan 14 02:03:10 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: DeMuDi status? Distribution for gig synth? In-Reply-To: <86odp29kv8.fsf@solnet.ch> References: <45A97B58.70307@westnet.com> <86odp29kv8.fsf@solnet.ch> Message-ID: <45A9D597.7060702@hawaii.rr.com> Robert Epprecht wrote: > Larry Troxler writes: > >> Now that demudi.agnula.org seems to have been taken over, is there any >> other site that has a copy of this distribution? > > http://www.agnula.info/ Hurrah! -- David gnome@hawaii.rr.com authenticity, honesty, community From ken at restivo.org Sun Jan 14 04:45:19 2007 From: ken at restivo.org (Ken Restivo) Date: Sun Jan 14 04:46:56 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Sharing a happy moment Message-ID: <20070114094519.GB16925@bc.restivo.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 I was mystified why I was still getting xruns even though I have an ingo kernel, a core duo CPU, a firewire audio interface, and tons of RAM. Then I noticed that the Trouble tended to be worse when recording guitar, or while mixing down. Then I noticed that wiggling the mouse made the problems go away. Aha! sudo rmmod cpufreq_ondemand sudo rmmod freq_table sudo rmmod iTCO_wdt Problem solved :-) No more xruns, at least so far. - -ken -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFFqfuve8HF+6xeOIcRAihuAKDetPONbMl15tRmkiCc2YPeWJvJlgCcDjuD +zXzKZ0Cu6g7VEkqbiL4hIQ= =tRW6 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From fbar at footils.org Sun Jan 14 06:08:59 2007 From: fbar at footils.org (Frank Barknecht) Date: Sun Jan 14 06:09:28 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] DeMuDi status? Distribution for gig synth? In-Reply-To: <45A97B58.70307@westnet.com> References: <45A97B58.70307@westnet.com> Message-ID: <20070114110858.GE12268@fliwatut.scifi> Hallo, Larry Troxler hat gesagt: // Larry Troxler wrote: > Now that demudi.agnula.org seems to have been taken over, is there any > other site that has a copy of this distribution? The domain was grabbed, but I think, it was grabbed back again, so it may come up again. Other that that there also is agnula.info now. > Is it wise at this point to continue using it? I just recently installed > it, so I'm not overly comitted to it yet. Most of the packages and work for Demudi has already found its way back into standard Debian, which was one of the goals of Demudi. So personally I would go with a normal standard Debian testing install. The only thing missing in Debian is a specialized audio kernel (the standard Debian kernel doesn't even have preemtion enabled), so you may want to build your own kernel. THis is described in much detail here: http://demudi.agnula.info/wiki/Low-latencyKernelBuildingHowto Ciao -- Frank Barknecht _ ______footils.org_ __goto10.org__ From lt at westnet.com Sun Jan 14 10:45:18 2007 From: lt at westnet.com (Larry Troxler) Date: Sun Jan 14 10:45:31 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: DeMuDi status? Distribution for gig synth? In-Reply-To: <86odp29kv8.fsf@solnet.ch> References: <45A97B58.70307@westnet.com> <86odp29kv8.fsf@solnet.ch> Message-ID: <45AA500E.4010602@westnet.com> Robert Epprecht wrote: > > http://www.agnula.info/ Thanks. So then, what would be the URL for the packages (apt-get)? Larry From mista.tapas at gmx.net Sun Jan 14 10:55:16 2007 From: mista.tapas at gmx.net (Florian Schmidt) Date: Sun Jan 14 10:52:37 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Sharing a happy moment In-Reply-To: <20070114094519.GB16925@bc.restivo.org> References: <20070114094519.GB16925@bc.restivo.org> Message-ID: <200701141655.17007.mista.tapas@gmx.net> On Sunday 14 January 2007 10:45, Ken Restivo wrote: > I was mystified why I was still getting xruns even though I have an ingo > kernel, a core duo CPU, a firewire audio interface, and tons of RAM. > > Then I noticed that the Trouble tended to be worse when recording guitar, > or while mixing down. > > Then I noticed that wiggling the mouse made the problems go away. > > Aha! > > sudo rmmod cpufreq_ondemand > sudo rmmod freq_table > sudo rmmod iTCO_wdt > > Problem solved :-) No more xruns, at least so far. you could also simply try: cpufreq-set -g performance helps on my lappy [thinkpad t21] Flo -- Palimm Palimm! http://tapas.affenbande.org From lt at westnet.com Sun Jan 14 10:56:44 2007 From: lt at westnet.com (Larry Troxler) Date: Sun Jan 14 10:56:55 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] DeMuDi status? Distribution for gig synth? In-Reply-To: <20070114110858.GE12268@fliwatut.scifi> References: <45A97B58.70307@westnet.com> <20070114110858.GE12268@fliwatut.scifi> Message-ID: <45AA52BC.7050907@westnet.com> Frank Barknecht wrote: > Most of the packages and work for Demudi has already found its way > back into standard Debian, which was one of the goals of Demudi. So > personally I would go with a normal standard Debian testing install. > The only thing missing in Debian is a specialized audio kernel (the > standard Debian kernel doesn't even have preemtion enabled), so you > may want to build your own kernel. THis is described in much detail > here: http://demudi.agnula.info/wiki/Low-latencyKernelBuildingHowto > > Ciao Thanks Frank, for the information that most of the DeMuDi packages are in standard Debian. However, one of my goals is to limit the time I need to spend in setup and configuration. And it seems that there would be a bit of work in trimming out all of the debian apps that I don't need, and in other customizations, like tuning the disk cache, cron jobs, even window manager configuration, etc. That being said, I have never actually installed or even sat in front of a standard Debian system, so feel free to correct any misunderstandings I have. Larry Troxler From folderol at ukfsn.org Sun Jan 14 11:00:37 2007 From: folderol at ukfsn.org (Folderol) Date: Sun Jan 14 11:00:48 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] DeMuDi status? Distribution for gig synth? In-Reply-To: <45AA52BC.7050907@westnet.com> References: <45A97B58.70307@westnet.com> <20070114110858.GE12268@fliwatut.scifi> <45AA52BC.7050907@westnet.com> Message-ID: <20070114160037.4c9d9aed@localhost> On Sun, 14 Jan 2007 10:56:44 -0500 Larry Troxler wrote: > Frank Barknecht wrote: > > Most of the packages and work for Demudi has already found its way > > back into standard Debian, which was one of the goals of Demudi. So > > personally I would go with a normal standard Debian testing install. > > The only thing missing in Debian is a specialized audio kernel (the > > standard Debian kernel doesn't even have preemtion enabled), so you > > may want to build your own kernel. THis is described in much detail > > here: http://demudi.agnula.info/wiki/Low-latencyKernelBuildingHowto > > > > Ciao > > Thanks Frank, for the information that most of the DeMuDi packages are > in standard Debian. However, one of my goals is to limit the time I need > to spend in setup and configuration. And it seems that there would be a > bit of work in trimming out all of the debian apps that I don't need, > and in other customizations, like tuning the disk cache, cron jobs, even > window manager configuration, etc. > > That being said, I have never actually installed or even sat in front of > a standard Debian system, so feel free to correct any misunderstandings > I have. > > Larry Troxler Have you tried 64studio? -- Will J G From A.Kuckartz at ping.de Sun Jan 14 11:00:49 2007 From: A.Kuckartz at ping.de (Andreas Kuckartz) Date: Sun Jan 14 11:01:42 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] DeMuDi status? Distribution for gig synth? In-Reply-To: <20070114110858.GE12268@fliwatut.scifi> References: <45A97B58.70307@westnet.com> <20070114110858.GE12268@fliwatut.scifi> Message-ID: <45AA53B1.5050904@ping.de> Frank Barknecht schrieb: > The only thing missing in Debian is a specialized audio kernel (the > standard Debian kernel doesn't even have preemtion enabled), so you > may want to build your own kernel. THis is described in much detail > here: http://demudi.agnula.info/wiki/Low-latencyKernelBuildingHowto A fairly recent low latency kernel is available from 64studio.com. Use this line in /etc/apt/sources.list deb http://archive.64studio.com/ custom main Cheers, Andreas From lt at westnet.com Sun Jan 14 11:01:19 2007 From: lt at westnet.com (Larry Troxler) Date: Sun Jan 14 11:02:17 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: DeMuDi status? Distribution for gig synth? In-Reply-To: <45AA500E.4010602@westnet.com> References: <45A97B58.70307@westnet.com> <86odp29kv8.fsf@solnet.ch> <45AA500E.4010602@westnet.com> Message-ID: <45AA53CF.7000902@westnet.com> Larry Troxler wrote: > Robert Epprecht wrote: >> >> http://www.agnula.info/ > > Thanks. So then, what would be the URL for the packages (apt-get)? > Ok, it's actually http://demudi.agnula.info/ . This looks to be the same as the ".org" site, so I guess the package URLs start with demudi.agnula.info . Larry Troxler From fbar at footils.org Sun Jan 14 11:52:24 2007 From: fbar at footils.org (Frank Barknecht) Date: Sun Jan 14 11:53:12 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] DeMuDi status? Distribution for gig synth? In-Reply-To: <45AA52BC.7050907@westnet.com> References: <45A97B58.70307@westnet.com> <20070114110858.GE12268@fliwatut.scifi> <45AA52BC.7050907@westnet.com> Message-ID: <20070114165224.GI12268@fliwatut.scifi> Hallo, Larry Troxler hat gesagt: // Larry Troxler wrote: > Thanks Frank, for the information that most of the DeMuDi packages are > in standard Debian. However, one of my goals is to limit the time I need > to spend in setup and configuration. And it seems that there would be a > bit of work in trimming out all of the debian apps that I don't need, > and in other customizations, like tuning the disk cache, cron jobs, even > window manager configuration, etc. Debian doesn't install all packages it provides (which would be way too many packages anyway). You can install a very minimal Debian system and work up your way from there. Actually I would recommend to go that route anyway, as you surely would want to run a Debian "testing" system, which you can get to by installing a "stable" minimal, and then upgrading. Of course the more minimal your system is, the more customization you need to to by hand, but Debian preserves customizations during upgrades as good as possible. That's actually the nice thing about Debian: YOu just install it once, then you only need to do upgrade (I'm doing this for several years now on my main machine.) Another approach here might be Ubuntu, which is largely preconfigured. However I'm not a big Ubuntu fan and I just went through the not completely painfree task of converting my Ubuntu laptop to a real Debian laptop again by cross-upgrading. Ciao -- Frank Barknecht _ ______footils.org_ __goto10.org__ From arnold.krille at gmail.com Sun Jan 14 13:04:39 2007 From: arnold.krille at gmail.com (Arnold Krille) Date: Sun Jan 14 13:04:51 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Fedora 6 x86_64 short report In-Reply-To: <20070113224014.1fcb160a@mistral.stie> References: <20070112190124.58cb6c4c@mistral.stie> <2def88b80701131311g6376feafs1486063ffd4552b@mail.gmail.com> <20070113224014.1fcb160a@mistral.stie> Message-ID: <2def88b80701141004q2ac09acn6d610d54f4815662@mail.gmail.com> Hi, 2007/1/14, lanas : > On Sat, 13 Jan 2007 22:11:50 +0100 > "Arnold Krille" hat geschreibt: > > 2007/1/13, lanas : > > > Here are my results/impressions after trying Fedora 6. > > > Here's the machine > > > AMD Athlon(tm) 64 X2 Dual Core Processor 4600+ > > Well, congrats! > > But: Why is it such a surprise to have these things going on a > > (mostly) uncustomized installation? > This is because I used to run CCRMA (32 bits) before and it needed > another kernel than the one given with Fedora 5. Well, since many > years I hear about the need to have real-time specs to run audio apps. > Same with window managers: a lean one is better than KDE for audio > applications. > Well, today I used the fancy Beryl with KDE and I had the water effect > (shift F9) running all the time and rotating the cube while Seq24 was > playing lots of notes using Zyn and qsynth and Hydrogen. > It means that it is now possible to have fancy 3D desktop > managers/effects while still doing audio work and that, without having > a patched, specially installed kernel. The days of running Window > Maker with a highly patched kernel are over. And with the price of 64 > bits machines going down, it'll just get better. > So you see, this is were the surprise comes from. Okay, now I understand. > It could very well be that Windows does 10 times more than that, but > I'm very proud of running such a performant, free, open source, Linux > system. Hehe, I am not one of the windows-can-do-better-guys. Even worse, there isn't a windows-version for 64bit, at least not in the affordable range and usable for low-latency-audio. And I am pretty sure it still carries enough 32bit- and maybe even 16bit-code with it to stay backwards compatible... Have fun with your new system. And _if_ problems arise, don't listen to people telling you to go back to 32bit linux. Instead bug the authors to fix there apps... Arnold -- visit http://www.arnoldarts.de/ --- Wenn man mit Raubkopien Bands wie Brosis oder Britney Spears wirklich verhindern k?nnte, w?rde ich mir noch heute einen Stapel Brenner und einen Sack Rohlinge kaufen. From louis.gorenfeld at gmail.com Sat Jan 13 14:31:43 2007 From: louis.gorenfeld at gmail.com (Louis Gorenfeld) Date: Sun Jan 14 13:47:17 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] absynth sound? In-Reply-To: <45A57147.4000100@gmail.com> References: <20070110195437.GA5660@moon.base> <45A54A04.50209@gmail.com> <20070110214953.GA5432@moon.base> <45A57147.4000100@gmail.com> Message-ID: <21326c290701131131p3d34f9f9r593c7f95eb40fa95@mail.gmail.com> You might try WhySynth-- it has an async granular mode that might produce similar sounds to what you're looking for. It also incorporates a version of ZynAddSubFx's PadSynth algorithm, among a variety of other oscillator types (FM, waveshaper, a wide variety of waveforms). The Crystal VST also seems to run fine on Linux, and that could be another candidate for making interesting effecty and pad-like sounds. Louis On 1/10/07, Carlos Pino wrote: > > James Stone escribio': > > On Wed, Jan 10, 2007 at 09:18:12PM +0100, Carlos Pino wrote: > > > >> James Stone escribio': > >> > >>> Hi everyone, > >>> > >>> I was just wondering if it is possible to emulate the sound of > >>> absynth under Linux, maybe with a pd module or an om patch?? I > >>> remember from back in the day when I used Windows (maybe 4 years > >>> ago now..), it had a really unique sound. I haven't really heard > >>> anything like it in Linux, and I am not really sure how it > >>> worked.. I know it would be possible to run the vst with libfst, > >>> but I would really prefer something native (excuse the pun!!) > >>> > >>> Impossible?? > >>> > >>> James > >>> > >>> > >>> > >> Have you hear Zynadsubfx > >> > > > > I have.. but perhaps I am not good enough at making patches.. > > Could you point me to some good examples? > > > > James > > > > > Sorry , I don't know absynth , and I'm not good also , I usually play > the banks that comes with it. There are some others presets made by > other people at gentoo pro-audio overlay , here are the files: > > http://proaudio.tuxfamily.org/files/ > > > Here some others: > http://atte.dk/sounds/new_collection.tgz > > > If you want to hear the sounds I did with it : > > http://telefonica.net/web2/pinojazz/after_the_pain.ogg > http://www.telefonica.net/web2/pinojazz/open_horizon.ogg > > > > Hope this helps. > > Saludos. > > --Carlos. > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://music.columbia.edu/pipermail/linux-audio-user/attachments/20070113/fdee199d/attachment.html From reuben.firmin at gmail.com Sat Jan 13 15:07:07 2007 From: reuben.firmin at gmail.com (reuben firmin) Date: Sun Jan 14 13:47:25 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] asoundrc / multi error -- "Channels count non available" Message-ID: <5d259cb90701131207n3c18fadfyabbef9beba12bc31@mail.gmail.com> As part of my experimenting to get both of my cards playing the same stream, I defined a configuration in asoundrc using the multi plugin, per the docs here http://www.alsa-project.org/alsa-doc/alsa-lib/pcm_plugins.html The complete asoundrc follows. Testing using aplay -vD XXX myfile.wav, where XXX is the pcm name, usb, desktop and default work fine; however, multi and ttable both give an error: aplay: set_params:906: Channels count non available What does this mean and how can I fix it? Thanks Reuben ---- pcm.usb { type hw card 1 device 0 channels 2 } pcm.desktop { type hw card 0 device 0 channels 2 } pcm.both { type multi slaves { a { pcm "desktop" channels 2 } b { pcm "usb" channels 2 } } bindings { 0 { slave a channel 0 } 1 { slave a channel 1 } 2 { slave b channel 0 } 3 { slave b channel 1 } } } pcm.ttable { type route slave.pcm "both" ttable.0.0 1 ttable.1.1 1 ttable.0.2 1 ttable.1.3 1 } pcm.!default { type plug slave.pcm "usb" } -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://music.columbia.edu/pipermail/linux-audio-user/attachments/20070113/f68cdea8/attachment.html From jamesmstone at gmail.com Sun Jan 14 14:16:36 2007 From: jamesmstone at gmail.com (James Stone) Date: Sun Jan 14 14:18:16 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] absynth sound? In-Reply-To: <21326c290701131131p3d34f9f9r593c7f95eb40fa95@mail.gmail.com> References: <20070110195437.GA5660@moon.base> <45A54A04.50209@gmail.com> <20070110214953.GA5432@moon.base> <45A57147.4000100@gmail.com> <21326c290701131131p3d34f9f9r593c7f95eb40fa95@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20070114191636.GA6110@moon.base> On Sat, Jan 13, 2007 at 11:31:43AM -0800, Louis Gorenfeld wrote: > > You might try WhySynth-- it has an async granular mode that might > produce similar sounds to what you're looking for. It also > incorporates a version of ZynAddSubFx's PadSynth algorithm, among a > variety of other oscillator types (FM, waveshaper, a wide variety of > waveforms). > The Crystal VST also seems to run fine on Linux, and that could be > another candidate for making interesting effecty and pad-like sounds. > Louis > Yes.. Since posting this, I did discover Whysynth, and am very impressed! I would rather not venture into the world of (Windows) VSTs if I can possibly avoid it. James From lt at westnet.com Sun Jan 14 14:43:45 2007 From: lt at westnet.com (Larry Troxler) Date: Sun Jan 14 14:43:58 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] DeMuDi status? Distribution for gig synth? In-Reply-To: <20070114160037.4c9d9aed@localhost> References: <45A97B58.70307@westnet.com> <20070114110858.GE12268@fliwatut.scifi> <45AA52BC.7050907@westnet.com> <20070114160037.4c9d9aed@localhost> Message-ID: <45AA87F1.3080801@westnet.com> Folderol wrote: > On Sun, 14 Jan 2007 10:56:44 -0500 > > Have you tried 64studio? > No, I was afraid it might be a little too new and unstable, and I am still afraid of any possible glitches in running in 64 bit mode. Am I being too afraid? Larry Troxler From kpanic at muppetslab.org Sun Jan 14 14:47:18 2007 From: kpanic at muppetslab.org (Marco Milanesi) Date: Sun Jan 14 14:47:32 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] DeMuDi status? Distribution for gig synth? In-Reply-To: <45AA87F1.3080801@westnet.com> References: <45A97B58.70307@westnet.com> <20070114110858.GE12268@fliwatut.scifi> <45AA52BC.7050907@westnet.com> <20070114160037.4c9d9aed@localhost> <45AA87F1.3080801@westnet.com> Message-ID: <20070114194718.GK10122@innerloop.it> hi Larry, > No, I was afraid it might be a little too new and unstable, and I am > still afraid of any possible glitches in running in 64 bit mode. > Am I being too afraid? running 64studio here, things are pretty stable for me, running on an amd64 dual core ciao, Marco -- ,= ,-_-. =. ------------------------------------------------------- + ((_/)o o(\_)) jabber:kpanic@jabber.linux.it/msn:kpanic@muppetslab.org | `-'(. .)`- #muppetslab@irc.freenode.net | \_/ The more I see, the less I know | From dlphillips at woh.rr.com Sun Jan 14 15:05:51 2007 From: dlphillips at woh.rr.com (Dave Phillips) Date: Sun Jan 14 15:04:36 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] DeMuDi status? Distribution for gig synth? In-Reply-To: <45AA87F1.3080801@westnet.com> References: <45A97B58.70307@westnet.com> <20070114110858.GE12268@fliwatut.scifi> <45AA52BC.7050907@westnet.com> <20070114160037.4c9d9aed@localhost> <45AA87F1.3080801@westnet.com> Message-ID: <45AA8D1F.2060208@woh.rr.com> Larry Troxler wrote: > Folderol wrote: > >> On Sun, 14 Jan 2007 10:56:44 -0500 >> >> Have you tried 64studio? >> > > No, I was afraid it might be a little too new and unstable, and I am > still afraid of any possible glitches in running in 64 bit mode. > > Am I being too afraid? I've been using it as my primary system for a while, I like it. It's installed on a box with an AMD64 3200. I also plan to install the 32-bit version on a new machine. Best, dp From folderol at ukfsn.org Sun Jan 14 15:01:20 2007 From: folderol at ukfsn.org (Folderol) Date: Sun Jan 14 15:18:33 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] DeMuDi status? Distribution for gig synth? In-Reply-To: <45AA87F1.3080801@westnet.com> References: <45A97B58.70307@westnet.com> <20070114110858.GE12268@fliwatut.scifi> <45AA52BC.7050907@westnet.com> <20070114160037.4c9d9aed@localhost> <45AA87F1.3080801@westnet.com> Message-ID: <20070114200120.40c93e76@localhost> On Sun, 14 Jan 2007 14:43:45 -0500 Larry Troxler wrote: > Folderol wrote: > > On Sun, 14 Jan 2007 10:56:44 -0500 > > > > Have you tried 64studio? > > > > No, I was afraid it might be a little too new and unstable, and I am > still afraid of any possible glitches in running in 64 bit mode. > > Am I being too afraid? > > Larry Troxler it runs quite stable for me on an AMD sempron, also the 32bit version runs happily on an older 32bit athlon. There are other issues I have which mean I will be moving up to a dual core beastie, hopefully in the not to distant future, but that's no fault of 64studio. -- Will J G From lt at westnet.com Sun Jan 14 15:11:54 2007 From: lt at westnet.com (Larry Troxler) Date: Sun Jan 14 15:25:49 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] DeMuDi status? Distribution for gig synth? In-Reply-To: <20070114165224.GI12268@fliwatut.scifi> References: <45A97B58.70307@westnet.com> <20070114110858.GE12268@fliwatut.scifi> <45AA52BC.7050907@westnet.com> <20070114165224.GI12268@fliwatut.scifi> Message-ID: <45AA8E8A.6060906@westnet.com> Frank Barknecht wrote: > Hallo, > Larry Troxler hat gesagt: // Larry Troxler wrote: > > > Another approach here might be Ubuntu, which is largely preconfigured. > However I'm not a big Ubuntu fan and I just went through the not > completely painfree task of converting my Ubuntu laptop to a real > Debian laptop again by cross-upgrading. > > Ciao Well since Ubuntu is designed to be friendly for the casual user familiar with Microsoft's OS, I assume it must have the type of graphical configuration front ends that RedHat and Suse, for example have. And what I like about DeMuDi is that it doesn't have these front ends. You just directly edit the /etc files. That's good I think for something I'm going to put in a black box synth. So that I guess is the reason I didn't consider Ubuntu. Larry Troxler From arnold.krille at gmail.com Sun Jan 14 15:26:12 2007 From: arnold.krille at gmail.com (Arnold Krille) Date: Sun Jan 14 15:44:31 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] DeMuDi status? Distribution for gig synth? In-Reply-To: <45AA87F1.3080801@westnet.com> References: <45A97B58.70307@westnet.com> <20070114110858.GE12268@fliwatut.scifi> <45AA52BC.7050907@westnet.com> <20070114160037.4c9d9aed@localhost> <45AA87F1.3080801@westnet.com> Message-ID: <2def88b80701141226r58c70f75u1663394b2f68a830@mail.gmail.com> 2007/1/14, Larry Troxler : > Folderol wrote: > > On Sun, 14 Jan 2007 10:56:44 -0500 > > Have you tried 64studio? > No, I was afraid it might be a little too new and unstable, and I am > still afraid of any possible glitches in running in 64 bit mode. > Am I being too afraid? Yes. I am running 64bit linux with (semi-)professional audio since more then a year without a glitch. Arnold -- visit http://www.arnoldarts.de/ --- Wenn man mit Raubkopien Bands wie Brosis oder Britney Spears wirklich verhindern k?nnte, w?rde ich mir noch heute einen Stapel Brenner und einen Sack Rohlinge kaufen. From steiner at block4.com Sun Jan 14 15:38:06 2007 From: steiner at block4.com (Malte Steiner) Date: Sun Jan 14 15:56:01 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] DeMuDi status? Distribution for gig synth? In-Reply-To: <45AA87F1.3080801@westnet.com> References: <45A97B58.70307@westnet.com> <20070114110858.GE12268@fliwatut.scifi> <45AA52BC.7050907@westnet.com> <20070114160037.4c9d9aed@localhost> <45AA87F1.3080801@westnet.com> Message-ID: <45AA94AE.4080507@block4.com> I am running 64Studio on an AMD Turion laptop in 64Bit mode and love how low I can set the latency without gettings XRuns. Only annoying thing that there is no libjack-dev so new Jack applications can't be compiled but I hope it is fixed soon. But many Jack applications like Ardour, Jamin, Hydrogen, AMS etc are already available in the repos. Cheers, Malte -- Malte Steiner media art + development -www.block4.com- From yoyo at xrousse.org Sun Jan 14 15:39:57 2007 From: yoyo at xrousse.org (Yo) Date: Sun Jan 14 16:01:14 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] DeMuDi status? Distribution for gig synth? In-Reply-To: <45AA87F1.3080801@westnet.com> References: <45A97B58.70307@westnet.com> <20070114110858.GE12268@fliwatut.scifi> <45AA52BC.7050907@westnet.com> <20070114160037.4c9d9aed@localhost> <45AA87F1.3080801@westnet.com> Message-ID: <45AA951D.4090700@xrousse.org> > No, I was afraid it might be a little too new and unstable, and I am > still afraid of any possible glitches in running in 64 bit mode. > > Am I being too afraid? > > Larry Troxler > Hi, I'm running the 32 bit version on a AMD XP2200+ and it's really stable (I was a Demudi user before and I prefer 64Studio, it's really simple to install and customize with Debian unstable sources). Cheers. -- Yohann http://www.xrousse.org | mailto:yo@xrousse.org | MSN yoyo@xrousse.org | GPG: 0x43D83E36 C'est toi le nouveau ? Je ne sais pas, je viens d'arriver From rlrevell at joe-job.com Sun Jan 14 15:49:12 2007 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Sun Jan 14 16:09:25 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] asoundrc / multi error -- "Channels count non available" In-Reply-To: <5d259cb90701131207n3c18fadfyabbef9beba12bc31@mail.gmail.com> References: <5d259cb90701131207n3c18fadfyabbef9beba12bc31@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1168807753.9125.60.camel@mindpipe> On Sat, 2007-01-13 at 12:07 -0800, reuben firmin wrote: > As part of my experimenting to get both of my cards playing the same > stream, I defined a configuration in asoundrc using the multi plugin, > per the docs here > http://www.alsa-project.org/alsa-doc/alsa-lib/pcm_plugins.html > > The complete asoundrc follows. Testing using aplay -vD XXX myfile.wav, > where XXX is the pcm name, usb, desktop and default work fine; > however, multi and ttable both give an error: > > aplay: set_params:906: Channels count non available > > What does this mean and how can I fix it? You can't use the multi plugin this way. The two sound cards will drift out of sync over time. Lee From fbar at footils.org Sun Jan 14 16:12:57 2007 From: fbar at footils.org (Frank Barknecht) Date: Sun Jan 14 16:26:36 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] DeMuDi status? Distribution for gig synth? In-Reply-To: <45AA8E8A.6060906@westnet.com> References: <45A97B58.70307@westnet.com> <20070114110858.GE12268@fliwatut.scifi> <45AA52BC.7050907@westnet.com> <20070114165224.GI12268@fliwatut.scifi> <45AA8E8A.6060906@westnet.com> Message-ID: <20070114211257.GB8496@fliwatut.scifi> Hallo, Larry Troxler hat gesagt: // Larry Troxler wrote: > Well since Ubuntu is designed to be friendly for the casual user > familiar with Microsoft's OS, I assume it must have the type of > graphical configuration front ends that RedHat and Suse, for example have. > > And what I like about DeMuDi is that it doesn't have these front ends. Ubuntu is mostly using the Gnome (or KDE) tools for this. The tools are available for Debian as well, if you want them. However I was never really using them as I, like you, prefer to fire up a text editor. Ciao -- Frank Barknecht _ ______footils.org_ __goto10.org__ From hanaghan at wildblue.net Sun Jan 14 16:40:55 2007 From: hanaghan at wildblue.net (Russell Hanaghan) Date: Sun Jan 14 16:37:57 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] asoundrc / multi error -- "Channels count non available" In-Reply-To: <1168807753.9125.60.camel@mindpipe> References: <5d259cb90701131207n3c18fadfyabbef9beba12bc31@mail.gmail.com> <1168807753.9125.60.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <45AAA367.2050908@wildblue.net> Lee Revell wrote: > On Sat, 2007-01-13 at 12:07 -0800, reuben firmin wrote: > >> As part of my experimenting to get both of my cards playing the same >> stream, I defined a configuration in asoundrc using the multi plugin, >> per the docs here >> http://www.alsa-project.org/alsa-doc/alsa-lib/pcm_plugins.html >> >> The complete asoundrc follows. Testing using aplay -vD XXX myfile.wav, >> where XXX is the pcm name, usb, desktop and default work fine; >> however, multi and ttable both give an error: >> >> aplay: set_params:906: Channels count non available >> >> What does this mean and how can I fix it? >> > > You can't use the multi plugin this way. The two sound cards will drift > out of sync over time. > > Lee > > > Or unless you do this: http://quicktoots.linuxaudio.org/toots/el-cheapo/ Couple of cheap SB live 5.1's are ideal. Russell From HomeTheater at feline-soul.com Sun Jan 14 17:02:37 2007 From: HomeTheater at feline-soul.com (Bearcat M. Sandor) Date: Sun Jan 14 17:02:56 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Multi-channel audio with a computer front end Message-ID: <200701141502.37942.HomeTheater@feline-soul.com> Folks, I will be building an audiophile/home theater system soon. I'm starting with 2-channel and want to make my way up to 4 (i don't like center channels). I'm using my computer as the front end. I'd like to use USB, Firewire or wireless as my "transmission lines". As far as multichannel goes, i'd imagine that even if i split audio into front and back and sent each to a wireless Slim Devices Transporter ( http://www.slimdevices.com/pi_transporter.html) that the two tranporters would not be in synch. So, is a firewire device like the Apogee Rosetta 800 a solution? Will a linux movie player using xine or gstreamer be able to send the correct channels of the Dolby Digital/DTS to the individual channels on a multi-channel pro device? This all assumes that Freebob (the firewire driver) works as advertised. I realize i can just send a dolby digital/DTS signal to the Transporter and then on to a pre/pro but that adds another link in the chain. Thanks all. From ico at vt.edu Sun Jan 14 17:23:25 2007 From: ico at vt.edu (Ivica Ico Bukvic) Date: Sun Jan 14 17:24:20 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] lists.linuxaudio.org migration complete, time to consolidate LAD/LAU/LAA? Message-ID: <00bd01c7382a$9c1210c0$0202a8c0@64BitBadass> Greetings all, I am pleased to announce that the consortium lists have been migrated from the agnula domain and are fully functioning. They can be accessed via lists.linuxaudio.org. This important migration will greatly simplify further consolidation of online resources. Given that there was some discussion about this before which has elicited positive feedback, in an effort to consolidate online resources please consider this an open call to LAU/LAD/LAA maintainer(s) to consider migrating lists to the lists.linuxaudio.org. Provided that there is still interest for such a move, the consortium will provide you with necessary help to make migration as seamless as possible. Furthermore, linuxaudio.org in conjunction with Virginia Tech will provide: 1) virtually unlimited bandwidth 2) generous disk space 3) the necessary access to maintainers 4) the assurance that no institutional, logistical, and/or any other kind of control will be exerted over the mailing lists, respective maintainers and subscribers The list of current online resources hosted by linuxaudio.org can be found at portal.linuxaudio.org. I sincerely hope that the community will support this important milestone towards consolidation of Linux audio online resources. Should you happen to have any additional questions and/or concerns, please do not hesitate to contact me. Best wishes, Ivica Ico Bukvic, D.M.A. Linuxaudio.org Director Virginia Tech Department of Music - 0240 Blacksburg, VA 24061 (540) 231-1137 (540) 231-5034 (fax) ico@linuxaudio.org http://www.music.vt.edu/people/faculty/bukvic From v2 at iki.fi Sun Jan 14 17:24:44 2007 From: v2 at iki.fi (Sampo Savolainen) Date: Sun Jan 14 17:25:46 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Multi-channel audio with a computer front end In-Reply-To: <200701141502.37942.HomeTheater@feline-soul.com> References: <200701141502.37942.HomeTheater@feline-soul.com> Message-ID: <1168813484.5761.10.camel@mustis> On Sun, 2007-01-14 at 15:02 -0700, Bearcat M. Sandor wrote: > So, is a firewire device like the Apogee Rosetta 800 a solution? Will a linux > movie player using xine or gstreamer be able to send the correct channels of > the Dolby Digital/DTS to the individual channels on a multi-channel pro > device? > > This all assumes that Freebob (the firewire driver) works as advertised. "as advertised"? Freebob is ultimately going to produce an ALSA driver, but it's not ready (afaik, work hasn't started on it). Freebob currently is usable with jack-aware applicatios, but those tend to be geared towards music production, not consumption. Regarding advertisement: "Not recommended for beginners or production use." From the FAQ on freebob.sf.net Yes, it works for a lot of people. But those people are experts and know what they are getting into. I STRONGLY recommend getting a preferably PCI sound card supported by ALSA. Sampo From jh at brainiac.com Sun Jan 14 17:44:13 2007 From: jh at brainiac.com (Joe Hartley) Date: Sun Jan 14 17:44:22 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] lists.linuxaudio.org migration complete, time to consolidate LAD/LAU/LAA? In-Reply-To: <00bd01c7382a$9c1210c0$0202a8c0@64BitBadass> References: <00bd01c7382a$9c1210c0$0202a8c0@64BitBadass> Message-ID: <20070114174413.aaea7535.jh@brainiac.com> On Sun, 14 Jan 2007 17:23:25 -0500 "Ivica Ico Bukvic" wrote: > I am pleased to announce that the consortium lists have been migrated from > the agnula domain and are fully functioning. . . . > Furthermore, linuxaudio.org > in conjunction with Virginia Tech will provide: > > 1) virtually unlimited bandwidth > 2) generous disk space > 3) the necessary access to maintainers > 4) the assurance that no institutional, logistical, and/or any other kind of > control will be exerted over the mailing lists, respective maintainers and > subscribers It's wonderful that Virginia Tech has stepped up to support making music with open source software by generously providing the resources for the community to share its ideas. Thanks to all who made this happen! -- ====================================================================== Joe Hartley - UNIX/network Consultant - jh@brainiac.com Without deviation from the norm, "progress" is not possible. - FZappa From rlrevell at joe-job.com Sun Jan 14 19:17:09 2007 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Sun Jan 14 19:19:26 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] asoundrc / multi error -- "Channels count non available" In-Reply-To: <45AAA367.2050908@wildblue.net> References: <5d259cb90701131207n3c18fadfyabbef9beba12bc31@mail.gmail.com> <1168807753.9125.60.camel@mindpipe> <45AAA367.2050908@wildblue.net> Message-ID: <1168820230.9125.65.camel@mindpipe> On Sun, 2007-01-14 at 13:40 -0800, Russell Hanaghan wrote: > Or unless you do this: > > http://quicktoots.linuxaudio.org/toots/el-cheapo/ > > Couple of cheap SB live 5.1's are ideal. Sure, if your time has no value. Why not just buy a cheap multichannel sound card? Lee From mis at artengine.ca Sun Jan 14 23:28:51 2007 From: mis at artengine.ca (Michal Seta) Date: Sun Jan 14 23:28:59 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Audigy2 ZS Notebook capture support Message-ID: <87hcushq0s.fsf@artengine.ca> Hi all, According to this: http://www.mail-archive.com/linux-audio-dev@music.columbia.edu/msg22633.html capture support for the above card is being worked on. Is it working yet? I just got a pretty good deal on one but, admittedly, I have not done my homework thoroughly before spending the cash and now I'm stuck with a card that does not accept any input. I'm on Ubuntu dapper. I suppose I'd have to grab the alsa cvs tree or perhaps I can download just the driver? mis@potegowa:~$ uname -a Linux potegowa 2.6.15-27-386 #1 PREEMPT Fri Dec 8 17:51:56 UTC 2006 i686 GNU/Linux Thanks. ./MiS From mis at artengine.ca Mon Jan 15 00:05:47 2007 From: mis at artengine.ca (Michal Seta) Date: Mon Jan 15 00:06:36 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Audigy2 ZS Notebook capture support In-Reply-To: <87hcushq0s.fsf@artengine.ca> References: <87hcushq0s.fsf@artengine.ca> Message-ID: <87bql0hob8.fsf@artengine.ca> Sorry to reply to my own message. I just read the release to the 1.0.14rc1 alsa driver and see that such support was added so I am compiling now... ./MiS Michal Seta writes: > Hi all, > > According to this: > http://www.mail-archive.com/linux-audio-dev@music.columbia.edu/msg22633.html > > capture support for the above card is being worked on. Is it working > yet? I just got a pretty good deal on one but, admittedly, I have not > done my homework thoroughly before spending the cash and now I'm stuck > with a card that does not accept any input. > > I'm on Ubuntu dapper. I suppose I'd have to grab the alsa cvs tree or > perhaps I can download just the driver? > > mis@potegowa:~$ uname -a > Linux potegowa 2.6.15-27-386 #1 PREEMPT Fri Dec 8 17:51:56 UTC 2006 i686 GNU/Linux > > Thanks. > > ./MiS From langercs at yahoo.com Mon Jan 15 01:16:58 2007 From: langercs at yahoo.com (Langer Csaba) Date: Mon Jan 15 01:17:09 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Edirol FA101 on Redhat Linux 10.1 Message-ID: <20070115061658.45588.qmail@web34206.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hello! After 2 weeks of hard work, and FAQ-s reading, I managed to install the wellknown Edirol FA101 Firewire sound card to a Compaq Evo N800C laptop. It works fine. All inputs and outputs are patchable and working with Ardour even on 6 track/192 KHz. Thanks to all the people who are working on Linux OS, to those who made the Freebob, Alsa and 1394 drivers. Is there anybody from Romania or Hungary who is working with Edirol FA101 on Linux? Best regards Langer Csaba from Romania, Sf.Gheorghe (Sepsiszentgyorgy) ____________________________________________________________________________________ Now that's room service! Choose from over 150,000 hotels in 45,000 destinations on Yahoo! Travel to find your fit. http://farechase.yahoo.com/promo-generic-14795097 From tech at glastonburymusic.org.uk Mon Jan 15 06:09:27 2007 From: tech at glastonburymusic.org.uk (tim hall) Date: Mon Jan 15 06:09:42 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Real-time kernel In-Reply-To: <8200bab70612222206o65d627a4ucc9390ec47b94827@mail.gmail.com> References: <009d01c72012$508cbf90$0202a8c0@64BitBadass> <200612212155.51470.smoak@mis.net> <8200bab70612222206o65d627a4ucc9390ec47b94827@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200701151109.28020.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> On Saturday 23 December 2006 06:06, Chuckk Hubbard was like: > I don't follow that last part. ?I agree, SoundBlaster is embarrassing, > but they have the supply for a demand. ?Should hardware be free too? > Should everything be free? The relevant specifications should be freely available to make it possible to build decent 3rd party drivers. It would also be quite cool if manufacturers worked to some kind of agreed standard. New hardware will always have some kind of material value and it is understandable that manufacturers might be reluctant to reveal all the details of a piece of equipment's inner workings. I think it would be foolish to insist that hardware be 'free'. All we need to know from a software point of view, is how to communicate with the device. Surely releasing this information will only serve to make the device useable by more people? I think what we should be pushing for is free availability of the relevant specs. There is probably better terminology for this. -- cheers, tim hall http://glastonburymusic.org.uk/tim We are the people We've been waiting for. From sam at bristolwireless.net Mon Jan 15 09:19:43 2007 From: sam at bristolwireless.net (sam@bristolwireless.net) Date: Mon Jan 15 09:02:37 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] glash impossible on debian amd64? In-Reply-To: <20070115061718.4D6225B59FA6@music.columbia.edu> References: <20070115061718.4D6225B59FA6@music.columbia.edu> Message-ID: <1168870783.45ab8d7fcb04a@www.slackmail.co.uk> I am trying to compile glash from source, it complains that; You don't have gtkmm-2.4>=2.10.1, which you need in order to build this software. looking at the repos http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?searchon=names&subword=1&version=all&release=all&keywords=libgtkmm&sourceid=mozilla-search It seems that there is nothing up to date enough.. It seems that this has been a issue for others http://lalists.stanford.edu/lau/2006/12/0172.html Has anyone resolved this? or can suggest a way forward.. Thanks Sam ---------------------------------------------------------------- This message was sent via Slackmail, web mail from Psand.net. From dlphillips at woh.rr.com Mon Jan 15 09:20:33 2007 From: dlphillips at woh.rr.com (Dave Phillips) Date: Mon Jan 15 09:07:02 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] an relevant link about Vista Message-ID: <45AB8DB1.1050307@woh.rr.com> Greetings: This link may have been posted here before now, but it bears repetition : http://www.cs.auckland.ac.nz/~pgut001/pubs/vista_cost.txt Nasty stuff planned in Redmond. Best, dp From lars.luthman at gmail.com Mon Jan 15 09:12:18 2007 From: lars.luthman at gmail.com (Lars Luthman) Date: Mon Jan 15 09:13:05 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] glash impossible on debian amd64? In-Reply-To: <1168870783.45ab8d7fcb04a@www.slackmail.co.uk> References: <20070115061718.4D6225B59FA6@music.columbia.edu> <1168870783.45ab8d7fcb04a@www.slackmail.co.uk> Message-ID: <1168870338.3514.1.camel@box..lars> On Mon, 2007-01-15 at 14:19 +0000, sam@bristolwireless.net wrote: > I am trying to compile glash from source, it complains that; > You don't have gtkmm-2.4>=2.10.1, which you need in order to build this > software. > > looking at the repos > http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?searchon=names&subword=1&version=all&release=all&keywords=libgtkmm&sourceid=mozilla-search > It seems that there is nothing up to date enough.. > > It seems that this has been a issue for others > http://lalists.stanford.edu/lau/2006/12/0172.html > > Has anyone resolved this? or can suggest a way forward.. If you are talking about glashctl, the only way is to build your own gtkmm-2.10 package. Debian doesn't have one yet, probably because Etch is in freeze until it becomes the next Stable. --ll -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part Url : http://music.columbia.edu/pipermail/linux-audio-user/attachments/20070115/f09178d8/attachment.bin From paul at linuxaudiosystems.com Mon Jan 15 10:54:17 2007 From: paul at linuxaudiosystems.com (Paul Davis) Date: Mon Jan 15 10:55:22 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Multi-channel audio with a computer front end In-Reply-To: <200701141502.37942.HomeTheater@feline-soul.com> References: <200701141502.37942.HomeTheater@feline-soul.com> Message-ID: <1168876457.2935.96.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Sun, 2007-01-14 at 15:02 -0700, Bearcat M. Sandor wrote: > Folks, > > I will be building an audiophile/home theater system soon. I'm starting with > 2-channel and want to make my way up to 4 (i don't like center channels). > I'm using my computer as the front end. I'd like to use USB, Firewire or > wireless as my "transmission lines". > > As far as multichannel goes, i'd imagine that even if i split audio into front > and back and sent each to a wireless Slim Devices Transporter ( > http://www.slimdevices.com/pi_transporter.html) that the two tranporters > would not be in synch. you seem to have this a little backwards, or else i'm not remembering a key difference between the transporter and its little brother the squeezebox. in its primary designed-for mode, you don't send an audio signal stream to the transporter. the transport fetches audio data from the computer via networking protocols, and then delivers an audio signal to your amplification equipment. it does appear that you can send an audio signal to the transport via either a TOSlink/RCA/AES connector. presumably you'd do this if you want to use the A/D's in the transporter. but .... the transport has only stereo converters and outs, so the only signal you'd be sending it would be stereo. in other words, i'm totally confused by your goals. --p From mobarre at gmail.com Mon Jan 15 11:50:14 2007 From: mobarre at gmail.com (Marc-Olivier Barre) Date: Mon Jan 15 11:51:05 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: lists.linuxaudio.org migration complete, time to consolidate LAD/LAU/LAA? In-Reply-To: <00bd01c7382a$9c1210c0$0202a8c0@64BitBadass> References: <00bd01c7382a$9c1210c0$0202a8c0@64BitBadass> Message-ID: <3c808a150701150850k1dccbd16ge1037d357257b29@mail.gmail.com> > Greetings all, > > I am pleased to announce that the consortium lists have been migrated from > the agnula domain and are fully functioning. They can be accessed via > lists.linuxaudio.org. This important migration will greatly simplify further > consolidation of online resources. > > Given that there was some discussion about this before which has elicited > positive feedback, in an effort to consolidate online resources please > consider this an open call to LAU/LAD/LAA maintainer(s) to consider > migrating lists to the lists.linuxaudio.org. Provided that there is still > interest for such a move, the consortium will provide you with necessary > help to make migration as seamless as possible. Furthermore, linuxaudio.org > in conjunction with Virginia Tech will provide: > > 1) virtually unlimited bandwidth > 2) generous disk space > 3) the necessary access to maintainers > 4) the assurance that no institutional, logistical, and/or any other kind of > control will be exerted over the mailing lists, respective maintainers and > subscribers > > The list of current online resources hosted by linuxaudio.org can be found > at portal.linuxaudio.org. > > I sincerely hope that the community will support this important milestone > towards consolidation of Linux audio online resources. > > Should you happen to have any additional questions and/or concerns, please > do not hesitate to contact me. > > Best wishes, I do not have any objections to this, and I am willing to continue the administration tasks on these new servers if the migration is voted by the other members. Also, I would like to discuss with you (ico) some setup specifics I would like to see implemented, mostly about automatic spam filtering, which is a huge problem on LAA. I know you guys don't see it, but believe me... ;-) __________________ Marc-Olivier Barre, Markinoko. From ico at vt.edu Mon Jan 15 12:08:08 2007 From: ico at vt.edu (Ivica Ico Bukvic) Date: Mon Jan 15 12:08:50 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] RE: lists.linuxaudio.org migration complete, time to consolidate LAD/LAU/LAA? In-Reply-To: <3c808a150701150850k1dccbd16ge1037d357257b29@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <002801c738c7$bc927270$0202a8c0@64BitBadass> > I do not have any objections to this, and I am willing to continue the > administration tasks on these new servers if the migration is voted by > the other members. > > Also, I would like to discuss with you (ico) some setup specifics I > would like to see implemented, mostly about automatic spam filtering, > which is a huge problem on LAA. I know you guys don't see it, but > believe me... ;-) Yes, I can only imagine how much junk you have to read through... FWIW, you can set up the listserv so that it simply discards stuff from unsubscribed posters. This would fix LAA as well and as such it seems to me like a reasonable compromise since spammers in most cases are not subscribed to the list and if a poster really wants to post on a particular list they might as well subscribe to it. I am sure there may be some who would disagree with this kind of a policy and thus I think it is ultimately up to you to decide what you deem best solution/compromise. Best wishes, Ico From HomeTheater at feline-soul.com Mon Jan 15 13:12:25 2007 From: HomeTheater at feline-soul.com (Bearcat M. Sandor) Date: Mon Jan 15 13:12:54 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Multi-channel audio with a computer =?utf-8?q?front=09end?= In-Reply-To: <1168876457.2935.96.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <200701141502.37942.HomeTheater@feline-soul.com> <1168876457.2935.96.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <200701151112.26198.HomeTheater@feline-soul.com> On Monday 15 January 2007 08:54 in an email titled "Re: [linux-audio-user] Multi-channel audio with a computer front end" Paul Davis wrote: >in other words, i'm totally confused by your goals. > >--p Thanx Paul. Here is what i am trying to do. I want to use my computer as a front end in a multi-channel system with a little as possible between it and the amplifiers for purities sake. I do not want D/A conversion inside the PC as that is noisy and jittery. I do not want to use spdif or toslink as those are also jittery (or so i understand). The Slim Devices (squeezebox or Transporter) are fine for stereo but will not work for multichannel due to latency issues. You can send a digital signal to a pre/pro from them but that adds a pre/pro in the mix and i'd rather not. So that leaves me with usb or firewire. I have seen a few pro audio D/A converters devices that are multi-channel such as the Apogee rosetta 800 (http://www.apogeedigital.com/products/rosetta800.php). The ones that can do 24/192 (which is also a goal here) are firewire devices. I have also seen some that are USB based but are 24/96 only. That is not as good, but acceptable. Can my system send all the channels to one of these devices via usb or firewire and have the device break them out and send them to the appropriate speakers. These devices know nothing about DTS, DD and the like so the computer would have to determine what sound goes into what channel and send all that to the device. I know that were i using a mixing like Audacity or Audour it could be done, but the question is can the media player engines (gstreamer or xine) do that as well? If that answer is "no", then i can move the attention down to stereo USB devices. Since linux can use multiple sound cards i could purchase 3 stereo USB devices. Could I have Xine or Gstreamer send the front channels to one, the centers to another and the l/r rears to another? If so, am i going to run into a problem with timing issues between the 3 devices? Is USB going to cause such latency problems? I could send it all out digitally and just let a pre/pro handle it. However, then i am limited to what the pre/pro understands and i want to play with things like ambiophonics and such. I'd also like to do a little mixing and recording and a pre/pro isn't meant for that. I reailse that using usb/firewire in this way will result in my using digital attenuation instead of analog. This is not ideal, but could be solved with passive volume controls on the other end. However, since i am looking at 24-bit and my listening levels are quite low it should not introduce any limits in the audio resolution. If i need to explain further i am happy too. Thank you. From HomeTheater at feline-soul.com Mon Jan 15 13:13:48 2007 From: HomeTheater at feline-soul.com (Bearcat M. Sandor) Date: Mon Jan 15 13:14:38 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Multi-channel audio with a computer front end In-Reply-To: <1168813484.5761.10.camel@mustis> References: <200701141502.37942.HomeTheater@feline-soul.com> <1168813484.5761.10.camel@mustis> Message-ID: <200701151113.49109.HomeTheater@feline-soul.com> Sampo, Thank you. On Sunday 14 January 2007 15:24 in an email titled "Re: [linux-audio-user] Multi-channel audio with a computer front end" Sampo Savolainen wrote: >On Sun, 2007-01-14 at 15:02 -0700, Bearcat M. Sandor wrote: >> So, is a firewire device like the Apogee Rosetta 800 a solution? Will a >> linux movie player using xine or gstreamer be able to send the correct >> channels of the Dolby Digital/DTS to the individual channels on a >> multi-channel pro device? >> >> This all assumes that Freebob (the firewire driver) works as advertised. > >"as advertised"? Freebob is ultimately going to produce an ALSA driver, >but it's not ready (afaik, work hasn't started on it). Freebob currently >is usable with jack-aware applicatios, but those tend to be geared >towards music production, not consumption. > >Regarding advertisement: >"Not recommended for beginners or production use." From the FAQ on >freebob.sf.net > >Yes, it works for a lot of people. But those people are experts and know >what they are getting into. I STRONGLY recommend getting a preferably >PCI sound card supported by ALSA. > > > Sampo From njcross at sbcglobal.net Mon Jan 15 14:21:21 2007 From: njcross at sbcglobal.net (njcross) Date: Mon Jan 15 14:06:34 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Audigy2 ZS Notebook capture support In-Reply-To: <20070115061718.4D6225B59FA6@music.columbia.edu> References: <20070115061718.4D6225B59FA6@music.columbia.edu> Message-ID: <200701151121.21839.njcross@sbcglobal.net> On Sunday 14 January 2007 22:17, Michal Seta wrote: > Sorry to reply to my own message. > I just read the release to the 1.0.14rc1 alsa driver and see that such > support was added so I am compiling now... Thanks for the heads-up. I forgot about support for the Audigy2 ZS, which I still own! Installing 1.0.14rc1 on your distro must involve breaking a lot of deps - is there an easier way? From dlphillips at woh.rr.com Mon Jan 15 14:44:42 2007 From: dlphillips at woh.rr.com (Dave Phillips) Date: Mon Jan 15 14:51:12 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] glash impossible on debian amd64? In-Reply-To: <1168870783.45ab8d7fcb04a@www.slackmail.co.uk> References: <20070115061718.4D6225B59FA6@music.columbia.edu> <1168870783.45ab8d7fcb04a@www.slackmail.co.uk> Message-ID: <45ABD9AA.8070001@woh.rr.com> sam@bristolwireless.net wrote: >I am trying to compile glash from source, it complains that; > You don't have gtkmm-2.4>=2.10.1, which you need in order to build this software. >[snip] >Has anyone resolved this? or can suggest a way forward.. > Don't bother with it unless you're willing to build and install the required version yourself. And don't bother doing that unless you really know what you're doing. Use lash_panel instead. If you can get lashd built for your system you should be able to use the package's own GUI. IIRC it's in the Debian repository in the lash-bin (or lash_bin) package. Best, dp From mark at ehle.homelinux.org Mon Jan 15 14:46:02 2007 From: mark at ehle.homelinux.org (mark@ehle.homelinux.org) Date: Mon Jan 15 15:14:19 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Best possible PCI-Express video card for DAW In-Reply-To: <200701151121.21839.njcross@sbcglobal.net> References: <20070115061718.4D6225B59FA6@music.columbia.edu> <200701151121.21839.njcross@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <20070115144602.3f8y4tqq888kwggw@markehle.net> Hello again, folks - A while back I emailed you for advice on the best motherboard that I could get for a rock-solid digital audio workstation. I appreciate all the recommendations, and wound up buying an Intel D925XECV2 with a Intel Pentium 4 3Ghz processor. I have 2 Kingston 512MB RAM sticks coming as well. I've also got a Seagate 250Mb SATA Barracuda on the way, too. I will use this for the system software and get a couple of bigger drives for data later. The D925XECV2 is a nice board near as I can tell (I haven't fired it up yet) but it does not come with on-board video. It does come with a PCI-Express slot, so my next question is what is the best video board to get for this setup? Thanks again! Mark From ken at restivo.org Mon Jan 15 15:23:25 2007 From: ken at restivo.org (Ken Restivo) Date: Mon Jan 15 16:01:44 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Real-time kernel In-Reply-To: <200701151109.28020.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> References: <009d01c72012$508cbf90$0202a8c0@64BitBadass> <200612212155.51470.smoak@mis.net> <8200bab70612222206o65d627a4ucc9390ec47b94827@mail.gmail.com> <200701151109.28020.tech@glastonburymusic.org.uk> Message-ID: <20070115202325.GA20014@bc.restivo.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Mon, Jan 15, 2007 at 11:09:27AM +0000, tim hall wrote: > On Saturday 23 December 2006 06:06, Chuckk Hubbard was like: > > I don't follow that last part. ?I agree, SoundBlaster is embarrassing, > > but they have the supply for a demand. ?Should hardware be free too? > > Should everything be free? > > The relevant specifications should be freely available to make it possible to > build decent 3rd party drivers. It would also be quite cool if manufacturers > worked to some kind of agreed standard. New hardware will always have some > kind of material value and it is understandable that manufacturers might be > reluctant to reveal all the details of a piece of equipment's inner workings. > I think it would be foolish to insist that hardware be 'free'. All we need to > know from a software point of view, is how to communicate with the device. > Surely releasing this information will only serve to make the device useable > by more people? I think what we should be pushing for is free availability of > the relevant specs. There is probably better terminology for this. Well, it's been over 10 years now since I was a product manager for a computer (networking) hardware company, but I reckon that the main issues would be the following: 1) Embarassment and humiliation. Usually the hardware has hairy, nasty bugs, and the firmware/software work around those. Thus, the customer doesn't get to see the bugs. In my day, this was a somewhat natural artifact of the hardware and chip design process: board turns took a long time, chip turns took a *really* long time, and if you're trying to beat a competitor to market then you just shove the thing out the door and make the software/firmware engineers work around it, because arguably they can do so faster than it would take to rev a board or chip, bring it up, test it, work the bugs out of any perturbations in the manufacturing process and manufacturing QA process, etc. Manufacturers don't want to expose all the dirty laundry that results from this bug-band-aid'ing, and exposing driver details would do that. I mean, have a look at the hda-intel chip. Damn. 2) Customer support and service. Customers expect support for things, and it isn't always effective to just stonewall them and say "we don't support that", when you kind of do, because you at least released some part of it. Releasing drivers, API's, specs and then refusing to devote (expensive) engineer-hours to support it, is a "modified limited hang-out", to use Watergate terminology. Sometimes it works, at least for a while. Internal politics have a lot to do with why manufacturers don't do this: marketing or engineering may be fine with it, but customer service or QA or the product manager may balk, seeing it as a "slippery slope" towards eventually fully supporting it, and the costs/hassles associated therewith. 3) Sometimes companies are paranoid about clones. But that rationale most often appeared under further investigation to be a cover for the above two issues. If it is a really innovative and/or high-quality product, then it'll be hard for anyone to duplicate the functionality, performance, or quality. I found a high correlation between shitty products and reticence to provide technical details. YMMV. I'm biased as a free software type, so I'm pretty dismissive of "intellectual property" in general. So, that's pretty much why you can usually get these manufacturers to "open the kimono" (as we used to say) only under an NDA. Again, the only answer I know of to both the above concerns, is to simply provide a market. If customers request/demand/expect it, then manufacturers do it, because it pays off, or because it is market suicide *not* to do it. I don't know if I can consider the Linksys WRT54GL a success in this area, but it might be. Enough customers were using the WRT54G as a Linux hacking platform, that it made financial sense for Cisco to keep a Linux version around as an ongoing supported product even after transitioning the rest of their products over to a proprietary embedded OS. Gah, "transitioning"??? I just used way too many corporate buzzwords in the above post. Bad flashbacks. I feel dirty. OK, I have to go take a shower now. - -ken -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFFq+K9e8HF+6xeOIcRAhEKAKDHmy89wZEXqW3/1c2y7HxKtPIWrACePJy1 ZRMwHEoPgt1azgUpRqqH52A= =yu8j -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From pw_lists at slinkp.com Mon Jan 15 16:11:08 2007 From: pw_lists at slinkp.com (Paul Winkler) Date: Mon Jan 15 16:43:49 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Best possible PCI-Express video card for DAW In-Reply-To: <20070115144602.3f8y4tqq888kwggw@markehle.net> References: <20070115061718.4D6225B59FA6@music.columbia.edu> <200701151121.21839.njcross@sbcglobal.net> <20070115144602.3f8y4tqq888kwggw@markehle.net> Message-ID: <20070115211108.GA22741@slinkp.com> On Mon, Jan 15, 2007 at 02:46:02PM -0500, mark@ehle.homelinux.org wrote: > Hello again, folks - > > A while back I emailed you for advice on the best motherboard that I > could get for a rock-solid digital audio workstation. I appreciate all > the recommendations, and wound up buying an Intel D925XECV2 with a > Intel Pentium 4 3Ghz processor. I have 2 Kingston 512MB RAM sticks > coming as well. I've also got a Seagate 250Mb SATA Barracuda on the > way, too. I will use this for the system software and get a couple of > bigger drives for data later. > > The D925XECV2 is a nice board near as I can tell (I haven't fired it > up yet) but it does not come with on-board video. It does come with a > PCI-Express slot, so my next question is what is the best video board > to get for this setup? "Best?" Depends what you care about :-) For a low-cost, fanless (silent!) card that works well with Free drivers, I've been very happy with my Gigabyte GV-NX66256DP2 GeForce 6600 256MB card. With the non-Free drivers, its 3D performance is also more than sufficient for my continuing quake 3 habit :-) But it seems to be discontinued already, or at least newegg no longer has them. -- Paul Winkler http://www.slinkp.com From njcross at sbcglobal.net Mon Jan 15 18:28:18 2007 From: njcross at sbcglobal.net (njcross) Date: Mon Jan 15 18:12:10 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Audigy2 ZS Notebook capture support Message-ID: <200701151528.18743.njcross@sbcglobal.net> On Sunday 14 January 2007 22:17, Michal Seta wrote: > Sorry to reply to my own message. > I just read the release to the 1.0.14rc1 alsa driver and see that such > support was added so I am compiling now... Thanks for the heads-up. I forgot about support for the Audigy2 ZS, which I still own! Installing 1.0.14rc1 on your distro must involve breaking a lot of deps - is there an easier way? From mark at ehle.homelinux.org Mon Jan 15 18:19:34 2007 From: mark at ehle.homelinux.org (mark@ehle.homelinux.org) Date: Mon Jan 15 18:20:04 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Best possible PCI-Express video card for DAW In-Reply-To: <20070115211108.GA22741@slinkp.com> References: <20070115061718.4D6225B59FA6@music.columbia.edu> <200701151121.21839.njcross@sbcglobal.net> <20070115144602.3f8y4tqq888kwggw@markehle.net> <20070115211108.GA22741@slinkp.com> Message-ID: <20070115181934.fl418uqog0wkk8os@www.markehle.net> Paul - Thanks for the info. By best, I mean a card that is going to install in linux with the least trouble, be quiet, and give me enough resolution to do audio work. I don't need screaming 3-D. Later - Mark Quoting Paul Winkler : > On Mon, Jan 15, 2007 at 02:46:02PM -0500, mark@ehle.homelinux.org wrote: >> Hello again, folks - >> >> A while back I emailed you for advice on the best motherboard that I >> could get for a rock-solid digital audio workstation. I appreciate all >> the recommendations, and wound up buying an Intel D925XECV2 with a >> Intel Pentium 4 3Ghz processor. I have 2 Kingston 512MB RAM sticks >> coming as well. I've also got a Seagate 250Mb SATA Barracuda on the >> way, too. I will use this for the system software and get a couple of >> bigger drives for data later. >> >> The D925XECV2 is a nice board near as I can tell (I haven't fired it >> up yet) but it does not come with on-board video. It does come with a >> PCI-Express slot, so my next question is what is the best video board >> to get for this setup? > > "Best?" Depends what you care about :-) For a low-cost, fanless > (silent!) card that works well with Free drivers, I've been very > happy with my Gigabyte GV-NX66256DP2 GeForce 6600 256MB card. > > With the non-Free drivers, its 3D performance is also more than > sufficient for my continuing quake 3 habit :-) > > But it seems to be discontinued already, or at least newegg no longer > has them. > > -- > > Paul Winkler > http://www.slinkp.com > From esa.linna at kolumbus.fi Mon Jan 15 18:38:05 2007 From: esa.linna at kolumbus.fi (Esa Linna) Date: Mon Jan 15 18:36:01 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Music : Marshall Message-ID: <45AC105D.3060700@kolumbus.fi> Few days ago I tested my new old guitar with Behringer V-Tone GDI21 and I was thrilled with the sound. So I made this songs guitar and drum parts in few minutes (you can tell..), but after a while I noticed that this could be a somewhat real song. Found some old tongue-in-cheek lyrics of mine, that tells about Heaven's Gate -cult and its leader Marshall Applewhite. After I did this song, I noticed that this suicide incident happened 10 years ago! http://www.emvg.net/esa/marshall.ogg http://www.emvg.net/esa/marshall.mp3 I used: Ardour (SVN w/ VST) Millennium MD70 midi "drums" & Hydrogen Behringer GDI21 for guitar and bass sounds Behringer Eurorack MX602A mixer Behringer Tube Ultragain MIC200 for vocals Beyerdynamic microphone Epiphone Les Paul - el.g. Katar Jazzblaster - el.bass Roland PC200 midi keys & xfst & Rumpelrausch T?ips VSTi (organ sounds) Some levelling with Audacity & some ladspa & vst plugins, mostly TAP plugins. I would love to hear some feedback and suggestions for final mix. I want to keep it somewhat rough.. -- ----------------------- http://www.emvg.net/esa http://www.emvg.net ----------------------- From brad at sonaural.com Mon Jan 15 18:37:19 2007 From: brad at sonaural.com (Brad Fuller) Date: Mon Jan 15 18:37:37 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Best possible PCI-Express video card for DAW In-Reply-To: <20070115211108.GA22741@slinkp.com> References: <20070115061718.4D6225B59FA6@music.columbia.edu> <200701151121.21839.njcross@sbcglobal.net> <20070115144602.3f8y4tqq888kwggw@markehle.net> <20070115211108.GA22741@slinkp.com> Message-ID: <45AC102F.4070104@sonaural.com> Paul Winkler wrote: > On Mon, Jan 15, 2007 at 02:46:02PM -0500, mark@ehle.homelinux.org wrote: >> Hello again, folks - >> >> A while back I emailed you for advice on the best motherboard that I >> could get for a rock-solid digital audio workstation. I appreciate all >> the recommendations, and wound up buying an Intel D925XECV2 with a >> Intel Pentium 4 3Ghz processor. I have 2 Kingston 512MB RAM sticks >> coming as well. I've also got a Seagate 250Mb SATA Barracuda on the >> way, too. I will use this for the system software and get a couple of >> bigger drives for data later. >> >> The D925XECV2 is a nice board near as I can tell (I haven't fired it >> up yet) but it does not come with on-board video. It does come with a >> PCI-Express slot, so my next question is what is the best video board >> to get for this setup? > > "Best?" Depends what you care about :-) For a low-cost, fanless > (silent!) card that works well with Free drivers, I've been very > happy with my Gigabyte GV-NX66256DP2 GeForce 6600 256MB card. > > With the non-Free drivers, its 3D performance is also more than > sufficient for my continuing quake 3 habit :-) > You can still get 4000-based boards that are fanless and fairly cheap. Same with 5200-based. -- brad fuller http://www.Sonaural.com/ +1 (408) 799-6124 From paul at linuxaudiosystems.com Mon Jan 15 19:41:04 2007 From: paul at linuxaudiosystems.com (Paul Davis) Date: Mon Jan 15 19:41:36 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Multi-channel audio with a computer front end In-Reply-To: <200701151112.26198.HomeTheater@feline-soul.com> References: <200701141502.37942.HomeTheater@feline-soul.com> <1168876457.2935.96.camel@localhost.localdomain> <200701151112.26198.HomeTheater@feline-soul.com> Message-ID: <1168908064.2935.119.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Mon, 2007-01-15 at 11:12 -0700, Bearcat M. Sandor wrote: > On Monday 15 January 2007 08:54 in an email titled "Re: [linux-audio-user] > Multi-channel audio with a computer front end" Paul Davis wrote: > >in other words, i'm totally confused by your goals. > > > >--p > Thanx Paul. Here is what i am trying to do. I want to use my computer as a > front end in a multi-channel system with a little as possible between it and > the amplifiers for purities sake. I do not want D/A conversion inside the PC > as that is noisy and jittery. I do not want to use spdif or toslink as those > are also jittery (or so i understand). > > The Slim Devices (squeezebox or Transporter) are fine for stereo but will not > work for multichannel due to latency issues. You can send a digital signal to > a pre/pro from them but that adds a pre/pro in the mix and i'd rather not. > > So that leaves me with usb or firewire. you still seem very confused. or i am. or both. first of all, D/A conversion associated with the computer does need to be noisy - there are many devices with external breakout boxes now - and it does not need to be jittery if you are willing to spend money on good equipment. i would agree that doing it inside the chassis case is probably not the best arrangement, but thats not much of an issue these days. secondly, s/pdif is not inherently jittery - jitter is determined by the sample clock, and that can be extremely low jitter or extremely high jitter depending on where it is coming from (i.e. who makes it). toslink is not an alternate protocol, its a physical connector+cable. you can use toslink to transmit S/PDIF or ADAT or a few other things as well. > Can my system send all the channels to one of these devices via usb or > firewire and have the device break them out and send them to the appropriate > speakers. for example, i run an RME digiface, which has 26 channels in and out. the i/o box is external to the computer, connected by a 4m firewire cable (though it doesn't use any standard firewire protocol). the digiface is digital i/o only, so i then route its i/o to and from a couple of 8 channel frontier design Tango24 converters which are in turn connected via a patchbay to the analog part of my setup. the RME multiface is an alternate breakout box that has D/A converters built in for 8 channels. RME solutions have too high a channel count for you, however. > These devices know nothing about DTS, DD and the like so the > computer would have to determine what sound goes into what channel and send > all that to the device. I know that were i using a mixing like Audacity or > Audour it could be done, but the question is can the media player engines > (gstreamer or xine) do that as well? if they can emit ac3 encoded audio, it be sent passthru over any s/pdif connector. if they can't, then you're stuck with a multi-channel signal stream. > If that answer is "no", then i can move the attention down to stereo USB > devices. Since linux can use multiple sound cards i could purchase 3 stereo > USB devices. Could I have Xine or Gstreamer send the front channels to one, > the centers to another and the l/r rears to another? If so, am i going to > run into a problem with timing issues between the 3 devices? Is USB going to > cause such latency problems? any configuration involving more than 1 digital audio device *must* include a shared sample clock source in order to avoid sync issues. no exceptions. > then i am limited to what the pre/pro understands and i want to play with > things like ambiophonics and such. I'd also like to do a little mixing and > recording and a pre/pro isn't meant for that. pre-amps in the pro-audio sense have no role to play here. by the time the signal leaves a D/A, its already line level. unless you mean "preamp" in the home stereo sense, which is basically just a volume control, source select and optionally tone controls. i can see no role for a transporter in anything you've described. what you need is a PCI audio interface with multiple channels and an external breakout box. if the interface only does digital i/o, then you need an additional external multichannel D/A box as well. the transport is a device to use network protocols, either over a physical ethernet or wifi layer, to move audio data from the computer disk to the D/A's built into the transporter, or to be resent using s/pdif via its digital outs. it is a two channel device, and so plays not role in a multichannel set up. --p From jdboyd at jdboyd.net Mon Jan 15 19:36:40 2007 From: jdboyd at jdboyd.net (Joshua Boyd) Date: Mon Jan 15 19:52:05 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Best possible PCI-Express video card for DAW In-Reply-To: <20070115181934.fl418uqog0wkk8os@www.markehle.net> References: <20070115061718.4D6225B59FA6@music.columbia.edu> <200701151121.21839.njcross@sbcglobal.net> <20070115144602.3f8y4tqq888kwggw@markehle.net> <20070115211108.GA22741@slinkp.com> <20070115181934.fl418uqog0wkk8os@www.markehle.net> Message-ID: <20070116003640.GC21730@jdboyd> On Mon, Jan 15, 2007 at 06:19:34PM -0500, mark@ehle.homelinux.org wrote: > Paul - > > Thanks for the info. By best, I mean a card that is going to install > in linux with the least trouble, be quiet, and give me enough > resolution to do audio work. I don't need screaming 3-D. My experience is that the best user experience comes from using ATI cards with the free drivers. Not as fast as using proprietary drivers on ATI or Nvidia, but much stabler and simpler (it just works with no fiddling). Thus, for many tasks I'd be tempted to go with the Radeon x700, as the last ATI card currently supported with free drivers. I'm interested in trying the new 965G graphics, but that is only a on the motherboard option, so it doesn't apply to you, and for general use the x700 will probably work better at the moment (but that might change in a few months, when the new intel drivers are included by default). Plus, I don't see very many 965G motherboards with DVI output. From markknecht at gmail.com Mon Jan 15 20:03:14 2007 From: markknecht at gmail.com (Mark Knecht) Date: Mon Jan 15 20:03:24 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Multi-channel audio with a computer front end In-Reply-To: <1168908064.2935.119.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <200701141502.37942.HomeTheater@feline-soul.com> <1168876457.2935.96.camel@localhost.localdomain> <200701151112.26198.HomeTheater@feline-soul.com> <1168908064.2935.119.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <5bdc1c8b0701151703v31e5f8c0n15dc9baa0674f995@mail.gmail.com> On 1/15/07, Paul Davis wrote: > > first of all, D/A conversion associated with the computer does need to > be noisy - there are many devices with external breakout boxes now - and > it does not need to be jittery if you are willing to spend money on good > equipment. i would agree that doing it inside the chassis case is > probably not the best arrangement, but thats not much of an issue these > days. > I agree with everythign PAul said although I *think* he meant to say "D/A conversion associated with the computer does (NOT) need to be noisy". D/A converters inside of a computer are a bad idea but mounted externally in a breakout box they are no different than the same converters sitting inside a recording studio. > > RME solutions have too high a channel count for you, however. Will a linux movie player using xine or gstreamer be able to send the correct channels of the Dolby Digital/DTS to the individual channels on a multi-channel pro device? I run an RME HDSP 9652. I suspect that's similar to what Paul is running these days. I have used xine with hdspmixer to mix 5.1 output into other formats, like stereo. There is no reason you couldn't do the same mixing 5.1 into 4.1 or some other arrangement that works with your specialized setup. It worked great for me. xine outputs six channels of audio. You can do whatever you want wither each channel - ladspa plugins, combinations routed how you like, etc. It's quite easy with hdspmixer. As others have said I would stay away from the FreeBob solutions at this time, unless you have a stomach for working through whatever issues you are going to come across. You could do a *Very* nice high-end home theater system using an HDSP 9636 and a good set of D/A's. You might look at one of the low-cost (<$250) 8 channel ones for all the extra channels and use something like a Benchmark DAC1 which has really great sound, albeit a bit pricey but not totally over the top, for left and right. Hope this helps, Mark From HomeTheater at feline-soul.com Mon Jan 15 22:07:56 2007 From: HomeTheater at feline-soul.com (Bearcat M. Sandor) Date: Mon Jan 15 22:08:23 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Multi-channel audio with a computer front end In-Reply-To: <5bdc1c8b0701151703v31e5f8c0n15dc9baa0674f995@mail.gmail.com> References: <200701141502.37942.HomeTheater@feline-soul.com> <1168908064.2935.119.camel@localhost.localdomain> <5bdc1c8b0701151703v31e5f8c0n15dc9baa0674f995@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200701152007.56729.HomeTheater@feline-soul.com> I'm replying to both of you Paul and Mark in one email. It's just easier that way and clearer. Thank you for both of your responses. Now, on to my clarifications and questions. I apologise for the confused questions, but i'm well confused. My aim is to use my computer as the front-end and and have it do all of the DSP for maximum flexibility. I want as few components as possible between the computer and amps, unless i *have* to use a pre-amp for extra gain. More clarifications are below. >On 1/15/07, Paul Davis wrote: > > >> first of all, D/A conversion associated with the computer does need to >> be noisy - there are many devices with external breakout boxes now - and >> it does not need to be jittery if you are willing to spend money on good >> equipment. i would agree that doing it inside the chassis case is >> probably not the best arrangement, but thats not much of an issue these >> days. > > > >I agree with everythign PAul said although I *think* he meant to say >"D/A conversion associated with the computer does (NOT) need to be >noisy". D/A converters inside of a computer are a bad idea but mounted >externally in a breakout box they are no different than the same >converters sitting inside a recording studio. > > > > >> RME solutions have too high a channel count for you, however. Actually, i used to have an RME Hammerfall 9636 it worked very nicely, except that there are no mixers in it. In fact it was Paul that helped me with the Alsa config files to keep it going. Thanks Paul! In the years since i've forgotten all about it. It might be just what i need. Currently, i am using nvidia on-board sound and i can hear the fans of the PC in my speakers along with a little buzzing. Horrid :) Granted this is with my ear near the cone, but any noise adds coloration. I'm looking at purchasing a pair of Gallo Reference 3.1 and a set or Red Dragon Class D monoblocks all of which are which are *very* revealing and this noise must go. > > >Will a linux >movie player using xine or gstreamer be able to send the correct channels of >the Dolby Digital/DTS to the individual channels on a multi-channel pro >device? > > > >I run an RME HDSP 9652. I suspect that's similar to what Paul is >running these days. I have used xine with hdspmixer to mix 5.1 output >into other formats, like stereo. There is no reason you couldn't do >the same mixing 5.1 into 4.1 or some other arrangement that works with >your specialized setup. It worked great for me. xine outputs six >channels of audio. You can do whatever you want wither each channel - >ladspa plugins, combinations routed how you like, etc. It's quite easy >with hdspmixer. >As others have said I would stay away from the FreeBob solutions at >this time, unless you have a stomach for working through whatever >issues you are going to come across. You could do a *Very* nice >high-end home theater system using an HDSP 9636 and a good set of >D/A's. You might look at one of the low-cost (<$250) 8 channel ones >for all the extra channels and use something like a Benchmark DAC1 >which has really great sound, albeit a bit pricey but not totally over >the top, for left and right. I'm a little confused as to what connection i would use with the hdsp 3696 and the Benchmark DAC1 to get 24/192 in at least 4 channels. Yes, thank you. I'm looking for 4 channels actually as i don't like center channels (left, right, rear right, rear left). 8 channels is fine actually as i can use the other channels for something. I may use it as as DAW sometimes or multi-zoning, Hsdpmixer sounds just like what i have been looking for, but i looked around for details on it and could find nothing. Is this an app to interface with the internal mixer of the card or is it the name for the mixer on the card itself? I've read in the audiophile press that usb/firewire is more desirable then spdif because usb/firewire has lower levels of jitter. Of course if the difference is truly inaudible i don't care. The less components and cables between the computer and the amps the better (generally unless you need extra gain provided by a pre-amp). If i were to use an RME Hammerfall DSP 9632 and go straight into an amplifier (monoblocks) I would still get all the computer noise as i would be doing D/A inside the box, right? Of course i could get a fanless video card, power supply and chipset, but then the case fans might still add noise, not to mention the electronics itself. Of course this won't work if the gain on the RME is not high enough (i'd be using the balanced outs). However, i assume i'll get the Buzz of Doom if my computer powers down and the amps are on. So if need to send it out to a breakout box. Would this be better done through adat or spdif? I'm looking for at least 4 channels of 24/192 being delivered to 4 monoblocks and i thought that neither could do that. If i got 2 Benchmark DAC1s they would not necessarily be in synch right? I've always liked the RME cards and i just read somewhere that Paul is actually a RME dealer. I'd be looking to buy a card sometime this summer. I'll contact you then. >Hope this helps, >Mark From eviltwin69 at cableone.net Mon Jan 15 21:48:21 2007 From: eviltwin69 at cableone.net (Jan Depner) Date: Mon Jan 15 22:09:59 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Music : Marshall In-Reply-To: <45AC105D.3060700@kolumbus.fi> References: <45AC105D.3060700@kolumbus.fi> Message-ID: <1168915701.22293.10.camel@eviltwin> But don't you think it would have been more appropriate to use a direct mic'ed Marshall amp through a Marshall tube mic ;-) Sorry, I couldn't resist the temptation. On Tue, 2007-01-16 at 01:38 +0200, Esa Linna wrote: > Few days ago I tested my new old guitar with Behringer V-Tone GDI21 and > I was thrilled with the sound. So I made this songs guitar and drum > parts in few minutes (you can tell..), but after a while I noticed that > this could be a somewhat real song. Found some old tongue-in-cheek > lyrics of mine, that tells about Heaven's Gate -cult and its leader > Marshall Applewhite. After I did this song, I noticed that this suicide > incident happened 10 years ago! > > http://www.emvg.net/esa/marshall.ogg > http://www.emvg.net/esa/marshall.mp3 > > I used: > > Ardour (SVN w/ VST) > Millennium MD70 midi "drums" & Hydrogen > Behringer GDI21 for guitar and bass sounds > Behringer Eurorack MX602A mixer > Behringer Tube Ultragain MIC200 for vocals > Beyerdynamic microphone > Epiphone Les Paul - el.g. > Katar Jazzblaster - el.bass > Roland PC200 midi keys & xfst & Rumpelrausch T?ips VSTi (organ sounds) > Some levelling with Audacity > > & some ladspa & vst plugins, mostly TAP plugins. > > > I would love to hear some feedback and suggestions for final mix. I want > to keep it somewhat rough.. > -- Jan 'Evil Twin' Depner http://myweb.cableone.net/eviltwin69 "Life should NOT be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in an attractive and well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, chardonnay in one hand, chocolate in the other, body thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and screaming 'WOO HOO, what a ride'" From markknecht at gmail.com Mon Jan 15 22:55:28 2007 From: markknecht at gmail.com (Mark Knecht) Date: Mon Jan 15 22:55:42 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Multi-channel audio with a computer front end In-Reply-To: <200701152007.56729.HomeTheater@feline-soul.com> References: <200701141502.37942.HomeTheater@feline-soul.com> <1168908064.2935.119.camel@localhost.localdomain> <5bdc1c8b0701151703v31e5f8c0n15dc9baa0674f995@mail.gmail.com> <200701152007.56729.HomeTheater@feline-soul.com> Message-ID: <5bdc1c8b0701151955k3415c203k28a4a7888ee437a1@mail.gmail.com> On 1/15/07, Bearcat M. Sandor wrote: > > >As others have said I would stay away from the FreeBob solutions at > >this time, unless you have a stomach for working through whatever > >issues you are going to come across. You could do a *Very* nice > >high-end home theater system using an HDSP 9636 and a good set of > >D/A's. You might look at one of the low-cost (<$250) 8 channel ones > >for all the extra channels and use something like a Benchmark DAC1 > >which has really great sound, albeit a bit pricey but not totally over > >the top, for left and right. > > I'm a little confused as to what connection i would use with the hdsp 3696 and > the Benchmark DAC1 to get 24/192 in at least 4 channels. Optical ADAT. The HDSP 9636 would be the master. There would be two optical ADAT cables going out, one to each DAC1. You would sync the DAC1's to the ADAT signals. If you used the HDSP 9652 then you could use the word clock outputs to sync. Aaron Trumm (www.nquit.com - another LAU user) is selling an HDSP 9652 used if you want to look at that. hdspmixer would create the specific mix you are looking for - quite easy to do really. I have no idea whether you can actually doing 192KHz in Linux. 96K is not a problem. > > Yes, thank you. I'm looking for 4 channels actually as i don't like center > channels (left, right, rear right, rear left). 8 channels is fine actually > as i can use the other channels for something. I may use it as as DAW > sometimes or multi-zoning, > > Hsdpmixer sounds just like what i have been looking for, but i looked around > for details on it and could find nothing. Is this an app to interface with > the internal mixer of the card or is it the name for the mixer on the card > itself? The HDSP 9652 has hardware mixing. hdspmixer is the app that allows you to control it. It's part of the alsa-tools package. > > I've read in the audiophile press that usb/firewire is more desirable then > spdif because usb/firewire has lower levels of jitter. Of course if the > difference is truly inaudible i don't care. If you truly care about this then get an external word clock generator from someone like Apogee. However I think starting with an HDSP 9652 and using it's word clock output would be more than acceptable for studio level quality. > > The less components and cables between the computer and the amps the better > (generally unless you need extra gain provided by a pre-amp). If i were to > use an RME Hammerfall DSP 9632 and go straight into an amplifier (monoblocks) You cannot. The HDSP 9636/9652 has no analog conversion. You must go HDSP->DAC->Amp. I drive my studio monitor power amp directly from my 8 channel D/A. No need for a preamp. > > So if need to send it out to a breakout box. Would this be better done through > adat or spdif? I'm looking for at least 4 channels of 24/192 being delivered > to 4 monoblocks and i thought that neither could do that. If i got 2 > Benchmark DAC1s they would not necessarily be in synch right? Wrong. They must be in sync but they will be since your HDSP would be the master and the DAC1's would be the slaves. > > I've always liked the RME cards and i just read somewhere that Paul is > actually a RME dealer. I'd be looking to buy a card sometime this summer. > I'll contact you then. Paul is a nice guy who can always use a sale I suppose. Cheers, Mark From viceic at net2000.ch Tue Jan 16 02:31:01 2007 From: viceic at net2000.ch (Predrag Viceic) Date: Tue Jan 16 02:31:33 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] LAD/LAU/LAA/Consortium/... Message-ID: <200701160831.03123.viceic@net2000.ch> Hi, Sorry for crossposting, which is intentional. See below ;) I personally think that this multiplication of LA lists is not a good thing. The idea, proposed by Ivica, which politely suggests the migration of all those lists to an unique one seems very good to me. I would even suggest the usage of a forum (? la php-forum) for information sharing. Those forums would allow multiple topics (LAD, LAA, LAU, Ardour, Rosegarden, MuSE, Jack, ... ) and in the same time facilitate the research, the tracking of topics and the most important thing, would allow the linux newcomers to see all the work done in those lists. I hope that I'm not irritating anyone by suggesting the above, but we are all conscious of the fact that linux audio is still a niche "market" so having an unique point of access to the posts would really be awesome. Cheers, Predrag Viceic http://freecycle.redsteamrecords.com From HomeTheater at feline-soul.com Tue Jan 16 03:12:44 2007 From: HomeTheater at feline-soul.com (Bearcat M. Sandor) Date: Tue Jan 16 03:29:06 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Multi-channel audio with a computer front end In-Reply-To: <5bdc1c8b0701151955k3415c203k28a4a7888ee437a1@mail.gmail.com> References: <200701141502.37942.HomeTheater@feline-soul.com> <200701152007.56729.HomeTheater@feline-soul.com> <5bdc1c8b0701151955k3415c203k28a4a7888ee437a1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200701160112.45420.HomeTheater@feline-soul.com> Mark, Thank you. This is not only looking very hopeful, it's looking affordable (at least in an industry where $10k speakers systems are "reasonably priced" :) ) Question below. On Monday 15 January 2007 20:55 in an email titled "Re: [linux-audio-user] Multi-channel audio with a computer front end" Mark Knecht wrote: >Optical ADAT. The HDSP 9636 would be the master. There would be two >optical ADAT cables going out, one to each DAC1. You would sync the >DAC1's to the ADAT signals. If you used the HDSP 9652 then you could >use the word clock outputs to sync. Aaron Trumm (www.nquit.com - >another LAU user) is selling an HDSP 9652 used if you want to look at >that. > >hdspmixer would create the specific mix you are looking for - quite >easy to do really. I see the clock outputs on the HDSP9652, but i don't see the clocks inputs on the Benchmark dac1 or the RME ADI-2. What am i not understanding? I'm looking at them here: http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/ADI2/ and here: http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/DAC1/ The specs of the RME ADI-2 look fantastic. It can even be powered by batteries which is ideal for a truly silent music background and dynamics and it also accepts 192k. Then again the Benchmark looks better :) Thanks again. From gnome at hawaii.rr.com Tue Jan 16 03:26:40 2007 From: gnome at hawaii.rr.com (david) Date: Tue Jan 16 03:37:48 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] LAD/LAU/LAA/Consortium/... In-Reply-To: <200701160831.03123.viceic@net2000.ch> References: <200701160831.03123.viceic@net2000.ch> Message-ID: <45AC8C40.7080609@hawaii.rr.com> Predrag Viceic wrote: > I would even suggest the usage of a forum (? la php-forum) for information > sharing. Those forums would allow multiple topics (LAD, LAA, LAU, Ardour, > Rosegarden, MuSE, Jack, ... ) and in the same time facilitate the research, > the tracking of topics and the most important thing, would allow the linux > newcomers to see all the work done in those lists. The idea of forcing the abomination called forums on long time users of the list has already been discarded. > I hope that I'm not irritating anyone by suggesting the above, but we are all > conscious of the fact that linux audio is still a niche "market" so having an > unique point of access to the posts would really be awesome. There's nothing wrong with a site where one can go and use something like Google to find individual posts. A lot of lists I'm on have searchable list archives accessible that way, often provided by the list server software they're using. That doesn't require use of a forum. -- David gnome@hawaii.rr.com authenticity, honesty, community From dsbaikov at gmail.com Tue Jan 16 05:37:44 2007 From: dsbaikov at gmail.com (Dmitry Baikov) Date: Tue Jan 16 05:38:09 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] LAD/LAU/LAA/Consortium/... In-Reply-To: <45AC8C40.7080609@hawaii.rr.com> References: <200701160831.03123.viceic@net2000.ch> <45AC8C40.7080609@hawaii.rr.com> Message-ID: <70a871c80701160237g7a6d0dfax9ebfe528abbbb521@mail.gmail.com> On 1/16/07, david wrote: > The idea of forcing the abomination called forums on long time users of > the list has already been discarded. > > There's nothing wrong with a site where one can go and use something > like Google to find individual posts. A lot of lists I'm on have > searchable list archives accessible that way, often provided by the list > server software they're using. That doesn't require use of a forum. > I second that. LAD/LAU were the first mailing lists I subscribed to. Before, I used and knew only forums. And I can say, mailing list is a MUCH more effective (and more personal: you send a letter to many people, instead of writing something on a board that everybody can see). Regards, Dmitry. From mobarre at gmail.com Tue Jan 16 05:42:33 2007 From: mobarre at gmail.com (Marc-Olivier Barre) Date: Tue Jan 16 05:42:53 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: lists.linuxaudio.org migration complete, time to consolidate LAD/LAU/LAA? In-Reply-To: <002801c738c7$bc927270$0202a8c0@64BitBadass> References: <3c808a150701150850k1dccbd16ge1037d357257b29@mail.gmail.com> <002801c738c7$bc927270$0202a8c0@64BitBadass> Message-ID: <3c808a150701160242j10e57510s29650f74e1a70769@mail.gmail.com> On 1/15/07, Ivica Ico Bukvic wrote: > FWIW, you can set up the listserv so that it simply discards stuff from > unsubscribed posters. This would fix LAA as well and as such it seems to me > like a reasonable compromise since spammers in most cases are not subscribed > to the list and if a poster really wants to post on a particular list they > might as well subscribe to it. > > I am sure there may be some who would disagree with this kind of a policy > and thus I think it is ultimately up to you to decide what you deem best > solution/compromise. Yes I did think about this. The best solution would be a slight modification to the listserv to be able to filter things out based on the subject line. Most people posting on the list add an [ANN] header to their mail, which is a good practice and could lead to auto-acceptation of there mail. spamassassin adds a *** JUNK MAIL *** header which could lead to an auto-reject. The rest could be subject to moderation with the possibility to feed new emails to spamassassin to make it's filtering more accurate. I would be surprised if no one ever thought about that... It's about the same work flow as in a email client running some smart spam filter (Thunderbird for instance). __________________ Marc-Olivier Barre, Markinoko. From siliconjoe at gmail.com Tue Jan 16 08:09:00 2007 From: siliconjoe at gmail.com (Giuseppe Zompatori) Date: Tue Jan 16 08:09:16 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Music : Marshall In-Reply-To: <45AC105D.3060700@kolumbus.fi> References: <45AC105D.3060700@kolumbus.fi> Message-ID: <3a5df3c20701160509p6c55375fu5f39d6a727f5b8bc@mail.gmail.com> 2007/1/16, Esa Linna : > Few days ago I tested my new old guitar with Behringer V-Tone GDI21 and > I was thrilled with the sound. So I made this songs guitar and drum > parts in few minutes (you can tell..), but after a while I noticed that > this could be a somewhat real song. Found some old tongue-in-cheek > lyrics of mine, that tells about Heaven's Gate -cult and its leader > Marshall Applewhite. After I did this song, I noticed that this suicide > incident happened 10 years ago! > > http://www.emvg.net/esa/marshall.ogg > http://www.emvg.net/esa/marshall.mp3 > > I used: > > Ardour (SVN w/ VST) > Millennium MD70 midi "drums" & Hydrogen > Behringer GDI21 for guitar and bass sounds > Behringer Eurorack MX602A mixer > Behringer Tube Ultragain MIC200 for vocals > Beyerdynamic microphone > Epiphone Les Paul - el.g. > Katar Jazzblaster - el.bass > Roland PC200 midi keys & xfst & Rumpelrausch T?ips VSTi (organ sounds) > Some levelling with Audacity > > & some ladspa & vst plugins, mostly TAP plugins. > > > I would love to hear some feedback and suggestions for final mix. I want > to keep it somewhat rough.. > Hi Esa, Nice classic rock! I also got a GDI21 from some time. It's a second hand device I got for ?25. Overall I like the way it sounds, but sometimes I find the high end a bit harsh so I software-plug it into a cabinet simulator plugin, that does cure it for me. Also switching the cabinet type on the plugin side combined with GDI21 tweaking extends the sound palette somewhat. The original device (Sansamp GT2) that the GDI21 strives to clone is a bit better concerning touch sensitivity and low gainish/crunch sounds in general, but the DI out that's lacking on the original is also a good point for the GDI21 besides the price. There's just now way of pulling those marshally sounds out of the CAPS LADSPA suite IMHO so it's a good buy for the ones looking those kind of sounds. Cheers, -Giuseppe From steiner at block4.com Tue Jan 16 09:43:37 2007 From: steiner at block4.com (Malte Steiner) Date: Tue Jan 16 09:43:02 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: [linux-audio-dev] LAD/LAU/LAA/Consortium/... In-Reply-To: <200701160831.03123.viceic@net2000.ch> References: <200701160831.03123.viceic@net2000.ch> Message-ID: <45ACE499.5020207@block4.com> Hello, I prefer a mailinglist over a forum but talking about information sharing, I wonder if there is a central howto page, more user oriented, which shows at one central point what and how audio stuff can be archived on Linux, what are the problems and WHY they are there (if there is one please excuse my ignorance). There is the Alsa project page which offers good hardware information, there is linux-sound.org which is an amazing ressource of links to applications but these sites assume that you know what you are searching for. I guess there are lots of people who just want to create music and look over the Windows fence but are overwhelmed by the complexity of choice and think that everything is complicated. Jacklab and Ubuntustudio is a bit in this direction. I guess it has to be a wiki and communitydriven but also has to have a certain asthetic standard to not putoff the enduser. Biggest challange now in my opinion for Open Source is enduser documentation. Adam Hydes Flossmanual http://www.flossmanuals.net is a good hit in that direction. Cheers, Malte -- Malte Steiner media art + development -www.block4.com- From mis at artengine.ca Tue Jan 16 09:54:20 2007 From: mis at artengine.ca (Michal Seta) Date: Tue Jan 16 09:54:29 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Audigy2 ZS Notebook capture support In-Reply-To: <200701151121.21839.njcross@sbcglobal.net> References: <20070115061718.4D6225B59FA6@music.columbia.edu> <200701151121.21839.njcross@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <87r6tvnhsz.fsf@artengine.ca> I had absolutely no problem! The compilation went smoothly, and I got the inputs working. It took a couple of minutes to figure out the cause of feedback (in the "Capture" screen of the alsamixer, the PCM slider has to be all the way down, otherwise the output feeds back to the input, did you notice that?). I do get some xruns but I will try better luck with a newer kernel. Another problem is that it shares IRQ with my video card and usb1... ut I am not done with trying different usage scenarios. Thank for the driver, though. ./MiS njcross writes: > On Sunday 14 January 2007 22:17, Michal Seta wrote: > > Sorry to reply to my own message. > > I just read the release to the 1.0.14rc1 alsa driver and see that such > > support was added so I am compiling now... > > Thanks for the heads-up. I forgot about support for the Audigy2 ZS, which I > still own! Installing 1.0.14rc1 on your distro must involve breaking a lot of > deps - is there an easier way? From ico at vt.edu Tue Jan 16 11:17:58 2007 From: ico at vt.edu (Ivica Ico Bukvic) Date: Tue Jan 16 11:18:40 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: [linux-audio-dev] LAD/LAU/LAA/Consortium/... In-Reply-To: <45ACE499.5020207@block4.com> Message-ID: <007101c73989$e2fc5940$0202a8c0@64BitBadass> Oh dear... Please note that Linuxaudio.org offer does *not* suggest moving to forums. Again, let me repeat, it does *not* suggest moving to forums. It suggests moving the existing mailing lists LAD/LAU/LAA, so that they are hosted under Linuxaudio.org. They would still remain the same lists with same subscribers and same features. The only difference is that we would have them under the Linuxaudio.org umbrella. Namely, we would have linux-audio-dev@linuxaudio.org etc., instead of linux-audio-dev@music.columbia.edu. But also, more importantly, these as well as any other relevant lists that end-up being consolidated, would be found under *one* *single* URL: lists.linuxaudio.org. And that, in and of itself in my book (and I am sure in a book of any newcomer to Linux audio) would be truly priceless. Best wishes, Ico From gnome at hawaii.rr.com Tue Jan 16 20:28:23 2007 From: gnome at hawaii.rr.com (david) Date: Tue Jan 16 20:33:42 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: [linux-audio-dev] LAD/LAU/LAA/Consortium/... In-Reply-To: <007101c73989$e2fc5940$0202a8c0@64BitBadass> References: <007101c73989$e2fc5940$0202a8c0@64BitBadass> Message-ID: <45AD7BB7.1080403@hawaii.rr.com> Oh, I don't have any problem with that! Ivica Ico Bukvic wrote: > Oh dear... > > Please note that Linuxaudio.org offer does *not* suggest moving to forums. > Again, let me repeat, it does *not* suggest moving to forums. > > It suggests moving the existing mailing lists LAD/LAU/LAA, so that they are > hosted under Linuxaudio.org. They would still remain the same lists with > same subscribers and same features. The only difference is that we would > have them under the Linuxaudio.org umbrella. Namely, we would have > linux-audio-dev@linuxaudio.org etc., instead of > linux-audio-dev@music.columbia.edu. But also, more importantly, these as > well as any other relevant lists that end-up being consolidated, would be > found under *one* *single* URL: lists.linuxaudio.org. And that, in and of > itself in my book (and I am sure in a book of any newcomer to Linux audio) > would be truly priceless. > > Best wishes, > > Ico -- David gnome@hawaii.rr.com authenticity, honesty, community From millward at ms.umanitoba.ca Tue Jan 16 21:54:02 2007 From: millward at ms.umanitoba.ca (millward) Date: Tue Jan 16 21:54:45 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] sample rate question Message-ID: <200701170256.l0H2u6u01154@localhost.localdomain> I was wondering, since the CD sample rate is 44100, is there any advantage to recording at a higher sample rate? My sound card, an Audiophile 24/96, allows much higher sample rates and my hard drive is big enough to store the resulting files, I think, but what purpose would it serve when in the end, an audio CD is only good for 44100 ? I'd have to convert down just to be able to burn the final product onto CD anyway. There must be some advantage to recording at a sample rate above 44100. Could someone tell me what it is? From aaron at nquit.com Tue Jan 16 22:28:17 2007 From: aaron at nquit.com (Aaron Trumm) Date: Tue Jan 16 22:23:27 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] sample rate question References: <200701170256.l0H2u6u01154@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <00a401c739e7$88d2e660$7d00a8c0@trummlaptop> It's a debate. People have varying opinions. One opinion is that getting something recorded at a higher quality allows you to process more accurate information as you mix, and so on and that school likes to record at high sampling rates and keep it there until the last minute, and then very carefully do conversions for cd product. another school of thought says just record at 44.1 because it's going to be there in the end anyway. I think the balance has tipped in favor of the former model (recording at higher resolutions and bit depths). that's what I do. and in the commercial recording studios, people do that mostly (or record on analog and then dub to really high res protools for mix down) just a note, too, on the difference between sample rate and bit depth - very basically, sample rate determines the highest frequency you can record (half of the sample rate) and bit depth determines how much dynamic range (loud/soft) you can record. some people believe that bit depth is WAY more important, and don't mind recording at 44.1 as long as the bit depth is high (like 24 bit). In theory this holds because half of 44.1 is 22khz and that's higher than we can hear anyway. contrary to some people's beliefs (like mine long ago) higher sampling rates don't add any low end richness, just high end accuracy. I think it's wise to record at high sampling rates and bit depths. -- Aaron ----- Original Message ----- From: "millward" To: Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2007 6:54 PM Subject: [linux-audio-user] sample rate question I was wondering, since the CD sample rate is 44100, is there any advantage to recording at a higher sample rate? My sound card, an Audiophile 24/96, allows much higher sample rates and my hard drive is big enough to store the resulting files, I think, but what purpose would it serve when in the end, an audio CD is only good for 44100 ? I'd have to convert down just to be able to burn the final product onto CD anyway. There must be some advantage to recording at a sample rate above 44100. Could someone tell me what it is? From markknecht at gmail.com Tue Jan 16 22:33:42 2007 From: markknecht at gmail.com (Mark Knecht) Date: Tue Jan 16 22:33:53 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] sample rate question In-Reply-To: <00a401c739e7$88d2e660$7d00a8c0@trummlaptop> References: <200701170256.l0H2u6u01154@localhost.localdomain> <00a401c739e7$88d2e660$7d00a8c0@trummlaptop> Message-ID: <5bdc1c8b0701161933u56c7e1bke6ffbf4ed5527bdb@mail.gmail.com> Aaron and I are buddies so it's always fun to point out the other POV. ;-) In the end he's probably right though. :-) At the outset I'll state that mostly I record at 44.1K. My issue in the past has been that all frequency resamplers seem to cause negative artifacts to my ears. When I record at 48K I like the sound, but when I down-sample that material to 44.1K I find I don't like the sound as much as I do if I just recorded the same material at 44.1K in the first place. One thing to keep in mind is that this really is becoming a mute issue. If I have understood things correctly DVDs are mastered with a 48K sample rate so should you be thinking about releasing both a DVD and a CD you'll have to resample for one or the other. Might as well be 48K, 88.2K or 96K. You'll have to switch things around somewhere. Hope this helps, Mark On 1/16/07, Aaron Trumm wrote: > It's a debate. People have varying opinions. One opinion is that getting > something recorded at a higher quality allows you to process more accurate > information as you mix, and so on and that school likes to record at high > sampling rates and keep it there until the last minute, and then very > carefully do conversions for cd product. > > another school of thought says just record at 44.1 because it's going to be > there in the end anyway. > > I think the balance has tipped in favor of the former model (recording at > higher resolutions and bit depths). that's what I do. and in the > commercial recording studios, people do that mostly (or record on analog and > then dub to really high res protools for mix down) > > just a note, too, on the difference between sample rate and bit depth - very > basically, sample rate determines the highest frequency you can record (half > of the sample rate) and bit depth determines how much dynamic range > (loud/soft) you can record. some people believe that bit depth is WAY more > important, and don't mind recording at 44.1 as long as the bit depth is high > (like 24 bit). In theory this holds because half of 44.1 is 22khz and > that's higher than we can hear anyway. contrary to some people's beliefs > (like mine long ago) higher sampling rates don't add any low end richness, > just high end accuracy. > > I think it's wise to record at high sampling rates and bit depths. > > -- Aaron > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "millward" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2007 6:54 PM > Subject: [linux-audio-user] sample rate question > > > I was wondering, since the CD sample rate is 44100, is there > any advantage to recording at a higher sample rate? > My sound card, an Audiophile 24/96, allows much higher > sample rates and my hard drive is big enough to store the > resulting files, I think, but what purpose would it serve when > in the end, an audio CD is only good for 44100 ? > I'd have to convert down just to be able to burn the final > product onto CD anyway. > There must be some advantage to recording at a sample rate > above 44100. Could someone tell me what it is? > > From gnome at hawaii.rr.com Tue Jan 16 22:50:58 2007 From: gnome at hawaii.rr.com (david) Date: Tue Jan 16 22:51:33 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] sample rate question In-Reply-To: <00a401c739e7$88d2e660$7d00a8c0@trummlaptop> References: <200701170256.l0H2u6u01154@localhost.localdomain> <00a401c739e7$88d2e660$7d00a8c0@trummlaptop> Message-ID: <45AD9D22.5070706@hawaii.rr.com> Aaron Trumm wrote: > It's a debate. People have varying opinions. One opinion is that getting > something recorded at a higher quality allows you to process more accurate > information as you mix, and so on and that school likes to record at high > sampling rates and keep it there until the last minute, and then very > carefully do conversions for cd product. > > another school of thought says just record at 44.1 because it's going to be > there in the end anyway. > > I think the balance has tipped in favor of the former model (recording at > higher resolutions and bit depths). that's what I do. and in the > commercial recording studios, people do that mostly (or record on analog and > then dub to really high res protools for mix down) My digital SLR shoots in 48-bit color. The resulting color range includes many colors outside the gamut of colors that computer displays and printing technology can reproduce. Working from the 48-bit color file produces much more accurate adjustments to color and dynamic range (recovering overexposed areas and bringing up underexposed areas). I would think that working in higher quality sound would help make for better quality final results, even at the lower quality of a CD. Plus you have the original high audio that could be distributed as data on DVD, flash drives, portable hard drives ... -- David gnome@hawaii.rr.com authenticity, honesty, community From sevol at inwa.net Tue Jan 16 23:24:46 2007 From: sevol at inwa.net (sevol) Date: Tue Jan 16 23:08:30 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Music : Marshall In-Reply-To: <1168915701.22293.10.camel@eviltwin> References: <45AC105D.3060700@kolumbus.fi> <1168915701.22293.10.camel@eviltwin> Message-ID: <45ADA50E.30601@inwa.net> The Heaven's Gate Crew, particularly Marshall, applaud you from the stars & suggest there is no "final mix" :-) Jan Depner wrote: > But don't you think it would have been more appropriate to use a direct > mic'ed Marshall amp through a Marshall tube mic ;-) > > Sorry, I couldn't resist the temptation. > > > On Tue, 2007-01-16 at 01:38 +0200, Esa Linna wrote: >> Few days ago I tested my new old guitar with Behringer V-Tone GDI21 and >> I was thrilled with the sound. So I made this songs guitar and drum >> parts in few minutes (you can tell..), but after a while I noticed that >> this could be a somewhat real song. Found some old tongue-in-cheek >> lyrics of mine, that tells about Heaven's Gate -cult and its leader >> Marshall Applewhite. After I did this song, I noticed that this suicide >> incident happened 10 years ago! >> >> http://www.emvg.net/esa/marshall.ogg >> http://www.emvg.net/esa/marshall.mp3 >> >> I used: >> >> Ardour (SVN w/ VST) >> Millennium MD70 midi "drums" & Hydrogen >> Behringer GDI21 for guitar and bass sounds >> Behringer Eurorack MX602A mixer >> Behringer Tube Ultragain MIC200 for vocals >> Beyerdynamic microphone >> Epiphone Les Paul - el.g. >> Katar Jazzblaster - el.bass >> Roland PC200 midi keys & xfst & Rumpelrausch T?ips VSTi (organ sounds) >> Some levelling with Audacity >> >> & some ladspa & vst plugins, mostly TAP plugins. >> >> >> I would love to hear some feedback and suggestions for final mix. I want >> to keep it somewhat rough.. >> From viceic at net2000.ch Wed Jan 17 02:11:37 2007 From: viceic at net2000.ch (Predrag Viceic) Date: Wed Jan 17 02:12:54 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: [linux-audio-dev] LAD/LAU/LAA/Consortium/... In-Reply-To: <007101c73989$e2fc5940$0202a8c0@64BitBadass> References: <007101c73989$e2fc5940$0202a8c0@64BitBadass> Message-ID: <200701170811.37838.viceic@net2000.ch> I didn't pretend that Linuxaudio.org suggest moving to forums. Read my post. *I* suggest moving to forums as *I* think it's better way to exchange the info than those 90-tish, Mailman powered, mailing lists where you can't even search for posts or whatever. And apparently I'm not the only one that pretends that: Ardour has a forum: http://ardour.org/forum/15 Rosegarden has a forum: http://www.nabble.com/RoseGarden-f2887.html Hydrogen has a forum : http://www.hydrogen-music.org/forum/ etc. etc. etc. WFT?! even glibc has a forum !! http://www.nabble.com/Sourceware---glibc-f12198.html The idea I had in mind when talking about linux audio forums: http://www.linuxforums.org/forum/ Predrag Viceic http://freecycle.redsteamrecords.com And no, Freecycle does not have a forum because Savanah doesn't provide such tool. Disclaimer: The opinions expressed are solely mine and not of the members of linuxaudio.org "consortium". Le mardi 16 janvier 2007 17:17, Ivica Ico Bukvic a ?crit?: > Oh dear... > > Please note that Linuxaudio.org offer does *not* suggest moving to forums. > Again, let me repeat, it does *not* suggest moving to forums. > > It suggests moving the existing mailing lists LAD/LAU/LAA, so that they are > hosted under Linuxaudio.org. They would still remain the same lists with > same subscribers and same features. The only difference is that we would > have them under the Linuxaudio.org umbrella. Namely, we would have > linux-audio-dev@linuxaudio.org etc., instead of > linux-audio-dev@music.columbia.edu. But also, more importantly, these as > well as any other relevant lists that end-up being consolidated, would be > found under *one* *single* URL: lists.linuxaudio.org. And that, in and of > itself in my book (and I am sure in a book of any newcomer to Linux audio) > would be truly priceless. > > Best wishes, > > Ico From bruceslists at ntlworld.com Wed Jan 17 08:34:30 2007 From: bruceslists at ntlworld.com (BJaY) Date: Wed Jan 17 08:34:03 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] linuxsampler CVS Message-ID: Hi, I just tried to open my projects under fc6 / ccrma as an experiment. I'm using a stock kernel but I understand that this has rt capabilities. linux sampler crashes as soon is I try to play a note (linuxsampler - 0.4.0, qsampler 0.1.3). I tried to build from CVS but when I do it complains I don't have libgig 3.1.0 - when I do and I have installed the latest version of libgig via CVS aswell. Is anyone having and success with the latest ccrma package ? Cheers, Bruce. From atte.jensen at gmail.com Wed Jan 17 11:56:28 2007 From: atte.jensen at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Atte_Andr=E9_Jensen?=) Date: Wed Jan 17 11:59:20 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] loading sessions, distorted jack 50% of the time Message-ID: <45AE553C.9080207@gmail.com> Hi I have strange problem: half the time when I load a song the sound is heavily distorted. If I leave jack running, kill all sound generating apps, and load them again, the sound might or might not be distorted. I found that the more apps and the lower the latency I have the more likely is the problem to occur. So to me it seems like some kind of racing condition that screws up jack, and hope there is a cure... Here's one of the scripts that I use to load a song: #!/bin/bash specimen --clientname main meditation.beef & zynaddsubfx -r 44100 -l meditation.xmz & sleep 2 ardour meditation/meditation.ardour & muse meditation.med & read killall specimen killall zynaddsubfx killall ardour killall muse -- peace, love & harmony Atte http://www.atte.dk | quintet: http://www.anagrammer.dk | compositions: http://www.atte.dk/compositions From paul at linuxaudiosystems.com Wed Jan 17 12:50:42 2007 From: paul at linuxaudiosystems.com (Paul Davis) Date: Wed Jan 17 12:58:02 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] loading sessions, distorted jack 50% of the time In-Reply-To: <45AE553C.9080207@gmail.com> References: <45AE553C.9080207@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1169056242.446.50.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Wed, 2007-01-17 at 17:56 +0100, Atte Andr? Jensen wrote: > Hi > > I have strange problem: half the time when I load a song the sound is > heavily distorted. If I leave jack running, kill all sound generating > apps, and load them again, the sound might or might not be distorted. what audio interface h/w? sounds like a driver bug to me. --p From st at tobiah.org Wed Jan 17 14:10:03 2007 From: st at tobiah.org (Tobiah) Date: Wed Jan 17 14:11:31 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] sample rate question In-Reply-To: <200701170256.l0H2u6u01154@localhost.localdomain> References: <200701170256.l0H2u6u01154@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <45AE748B.9030806@tobiah.org> > There must be some advantage to recording at a sample rate > above 44100. Could someone tell me what it is? First, do a blind "taste test" of your material at 96k, then 44.1. If you can pick the 96k file every time without knowing before hand which it is, then you should record everything at 96k. CD's are 44.1, yes, but your music will live longer than CD's. If you can't pick the 96k file, then record at 44.1 for efficiency, and to save space. From atte.jensen at gmail.com Wed Jan 17 14:27:05 2007 From: atte.jensen at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?B?QXR0ZSBBbmRyw6kgSmVuc2Vu?=) Date: Wed Jan 17 14:27:18 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] loading sessions, distorted jack 50% of the time In-Reply-To: <1169056242.446.50.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <45AE553C.9080207@gmail.com> <1169056242.446.50.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <45AE7889.9000202@gmail.com> Paul Davis wrote: > what audio interface h/w? sounds like a driver bug to me. Reason I didn't mention that was it happens with all my sound cards (as far as I remember): 1) Laptop A with i810 buildin 2) Laptop B (IBM T41): 00:1f.5 Multimedia audio controller: Intel Corporation 82801DB/DBL/DBM (ICH4/ICH4-L/ICH4-M) AC'97 Audio Controller (rev 01) 3) both laptops with edirol UA-1A USB I'm currently on 2) with own 2.6.18-rt7 under debian/unstable, where the problem occurs for sure with both buildin and edirol usb... -- peace, love & harmony Atte http://www.atte.dk | quintet: http://www.anagrammer.dk | compositions: http://www.atte.dk/compositions From folderol at ukfsn.org Wed Jan 17 14:55:14 2007 From: folderol at ukfsn.org (Folderol) Date: Wed Jan 17 15:15:07 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Music : Marshall In-Reply-To: <45AC105D.3060700@kolumbus.fi> References: <45AC105D.3060700@kolumbus.fi> Message-ID: <20070117195514.24a2d34d@localhost> On Tue, 16 Jan 2007 01:38:05 +0200 Esa Linna wrote: > Few days ago I tested my new old guitar with Behringer V-Tone GDI21 and > I was thrilled with the sound. So I made this songs guitar and drum > parts in few minutes (you can tell..), but after a while I noticed that > this could be a somewhat real song. Found some old tongue-in-cheek > lyrics of mine, that tells about Heaven's Gate -cult and its leader > Marshall Applewhite. After I did this song, I noticed that this suicide > incident happened 10 years ago! > > http://www.emvg.net/esa/marshall.ogg > http://www.emvg.net/esa/marshall.mp3 > > I used: > > Ardour (SVN w/ VST) > Millennium MD70 midi "drums" & Hydrogen > Behringer GDI21 for guitar and bass sounds > Behringer Eurorack MX602A mixer > Behringer Tube Ultragain MIC200 for vocals > Beyerdynamic microphone > Epiphone Les Paul - el.g. > Katar Jazzblaster - el.bass > Roland PC200 midi keys & xfst & Rumpelrausch T?ips VSTi (organ sounds) > Some levelling with Audacity > > & some ladspa & vst plugins, mostly TAP plugins. > > > I would love to hear some feedback and suggestions for final mix. I want > to keep it somewhat rough.. Has a very retro feel to it. Reminds me of the small bands in the 1960s working small venues around England. I would think that's feel worth hanging on to, so don't suggest much change. -- Will J G From nando at ccrma.Stanford.EDU Wed Jan 17 15:10:59 2007 From: nando at ccrma.Stanford.EDU (Fernando Lopez-Lezcano) Date: Wed Jan 17 15:30:49 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] linuxsampler CVS In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1169064659.7319.17.camel@cmn3.stanford.edu> On Wed, 2007-01-17 at 13:34 +0000, BJaY wrote: > Hi, > I just tried to open my projects under fc6 / ccrma as an experiment. I'm > using a stock kernel but I understand that this has rt capabilities. Not a lot actually... > linux > sampler crashes as soon is I try to play a note (linuxsampler - 0.4.0, > qsampler 0.1.3). I tried to build from CVS but when I do it complains I > don't have libgig 3.1.0 - when I do and I have installed the latest version > of libgig via CVS aswell. Is anyone having and success with the latest ccrma > package ? It is actually dying on my as well, sigh. For building stuff you need to install the rpm -dev packages, for example "yum install libgig-dev". Take particular care of _where_ you install things if you build from source. Most source packages install using /usr/local as the default prefix, while rpm packages are normally installed in /usr. So you could end up with two different or similar versions of the same library and other packages could end up confused about which to use. -- Fernando From nando at ccrma.Stanford.EDU Wed Jan 17 16:37:25 2007 From: nando at ccrma.Stanford.EDU (Fernando Lopez-Lezcano) Date: Wed Jan 17 16:39:19 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] linuxsampler CVS In-Reply-To: <1169064659.7319.17.camel@cmn3.stanford.edu> References: <1169064659.7319.17.camel@cmn3.stanford.edu> Message-ID: <1169069845.7319.36.camel@cmn3.stanford.edu> On Wed, 2007-01-17 at 12:10 -0800, Fernando Lopez-Lezcano wrote: > On Wed, 2007-01-17 at 13:34 +0000, BJaY wrote: > > Hi, > > I just tried to open my projects under fc6 / ccrma as an experiment. I'm > > using a stock kernel but I understand that this has rt capabilities. > > Not a lot actually... > > > linux > > sampler crashes as soon is I try to play a note (linuxsampler - 0.4.0, > > qsampler 0.1.3). I tried to build from CVS but when I do it complains I > > don't have libgig 3.1.0 - when I do and I have installed the latest version > > of libgig via CVS aswell. Is anyone having and success with the latest ccrma > > package ? > > It is actually dying on my as well, sigh. linuxsampler itself just says: --- gig::Synthesizer: Invalid Synthesis Mode: 40 --- and exits... -- Fernando From badmuthahubbard at gmail.com Wed Jan 17 16:56:15 2007 From: badmuthahubbard at gmail.com (Chuckk Hubbard) Date: Wed Jan 17 16:58:00 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] sample rate question In-Reply-To: <200701170256.l0H2u6u01154@localhost.localdomain> References: <200701170256.l0H2u6u01154@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <8200bab70701171356x40eb5391j85fb3d8ec4c4cd20@mail.gmail.com> If you only want to record something once and play it back on CDs, 44.1 k is fine. If you have any plans to timestretch anything, or loop samples at different pitches, or do any touchy kind of production, it might be better to work at the higher rate. I also can't help thinking that digital filters in general will make some difference if run at a higher rate and then downsampled. On 1/16/07, millward wrote: > I was wondering, since the CD sample rate is 44100, is there > any advantage to recording at a higher sample rate? > My sound card, an Audiophile 24/96, allows much higher > sample rates and my hard drive is big enough to store the > resulting files, I think, but what purpose would it serve when > in the end, an audio CD is only good for 44100 ? > I'd have to convert down just to be able to burn the final > product onto CD anyway. > There must be some advantage to recording at a sample rate > above 44100. Could someone tell me what it is? > -- "Far and away the best prize that life has to offer is the chance to work hard at work worth doing." -Theodore Roosevelt From folderol at ukfsn.org Wed Jan 17 17:19:54 2007 From: folderol at ukfsn.org (Folderol) Date: Wed Jan 17 17:20:18 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] East To West Message-ID: <20070117221954.5da430d3@localhost> This is now more or less complete, so if you are interested it is at: http://www.musically.me.uk/music/East_To_West.ogg http://www.musically.me.uk/music/East_To_West.mp3 I hope you like it. -- Will J G http://www.musically.me.uk From nando at ccrma.Stanford.EDU Wed Jan 17 17:41:13 2007 From: nando at ccrma.Stanford.EDU (Fernando Lopez-Lezcano) Date: Wed Jan 17 17:43:40 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] linuxsampler CVS In-Reply-To: <1169069845.7319.36.camel@cmn3.stanford.edu> References: <1169064659.7319.17.camel@cmn3.stanford.edu> <1169069845.7319.36.camel@cmn3.stanford.edu> Message-ID: <1169073673.7319.39.camel@cmn3.stanford.edu> On Wed, 2007-01-17 at 13:37 -0800, Fernando Lopez-Lezcano wrote: > On Wed, 2007-01-17 at 12:10 -0800, Fernando Lopez-Lezcano wrote: > > On Wed, 2007-01-17 at 13:34 +0000, BJaY wrote: > > > Hi, > > > I just tried to open my projects under fc6 / ccrma as an experiment. I'm > > > using a stock kernel but I understand that this has rt capabilities. > > > > Not a lot actually... > > > > > linux > > > sampler crashes as soon is I try to play a note (linuxsampler - 0.4.0, > > > qsampler 0.1.3). I tried to build from CVS but when I do it complains I > > > don't have libgig 3.1.0 - when I do and I have installed the latest version > > > of libgig via CVS aswell. Is anyone having and success with the latest ccrma > > > package ? > > > > It is actually dying on my as well, sigh. > > linuxsampler itself just says: > --- > gig::Synthesizer: Invalid Synthesis Mode: 40 > --- > and exits... Looks like it has something to do with mmx/sse support, this may be a side effect of build options. I'm investigating... -- Fernando From lanas at securenet.net Wed Jan 17 17:53:09 2007 From: lanas at securenet.net (lanas) Date: Wed Jan 17 17:47:53 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] linuxsampler CVS In-Reply-To: <1169064659.7319.17.camel@cmn3.stanford.edu> References: <1169064659.7319.17.camel@cmn3.stanford.edu> Message-ID: <20070117175309.51c5c96a@mistral.stie> Le Wed, 17 Jan 2007 12:10:59 -0800, Fernando Lopez-Lezcano a ?crit : > On Wed, 2007-01-17 at 13:34 +0000, BJaY wrote: >> linux >> sampler crashes as soon is I try to play a note (linuxsampler - > > 0.4.0, qsampler 0.1.3). > It is actually dying on my as well, sigh. I read your note, so I decided to give it a try. I already got linux sampler but did not have qsampler, so I just got it using kyum. I started qsampler, made the connection in jack, and loaded a GrandPiano.gig that I got some time ago and played using an Axiom25 keyboard. Seems to be all OK, at least for a few minutes - did not try longer. linux sampler: 0.4.0-1.fc6.ccrma x86_64 qsampler: 0.1.3-3.fc6.ccrma x86_64 The only console output from qsampler is: Warning: no locale found: /usr/share/locale/qsampler_fr_FR.UTF-8.qm Al From nando at ccrma.Stanford.EDU Wed Jan 17 18:22:42 2007 From: nando at ccrma.Stanford.EDU (Fernando Lopez-Lezcano) Date: Wed Jan 17 18:22:54 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] linuxsampler CVS In-Reply-To: <20070117175309.51c5c96a@mistral.stie> References: <1169064659.7319.17.camel@cmn3.stanford.edu> <20070117175309.51c5c96a@mistral.stie> Message-ID: <1169076162.7319.48.camel@cmn3.stanford.edu> On Wed, 2007-01-17 at 17:53 -0500, lanas wrote: > Le Wed, 17 Jan 2007 12:10:59 -0800, > Fernando Lopez-Lezcano a ?crit : > > On Wed, 2007-01-17 at 13:34 +0000, BJaY wrote: > >> linux > >> sampler crashes as soon is I try to play a note (linuxsampler - > > > 0.4.0, qsampler 0.1.3). > > > It is actually dying on my as well, sigh. > > I read your note, so I decided to give it a try. I already got linux > sampler but did not have qsampler, so I just got it using kyum. I > started qsampler, made the connection in jack, and loaded a > GrandPiano.gig that I got some time ago and played using an Axiom25 > keyboard. Seems to be all OK, at least for a few minutes - did not try > longer. > > linux sampler: 0.4.0-1.fc6.ccrma x86_64 > qsampler: 0.1.3-3.fc6.ccrma x86_64 Probably the problem was not happening in x86_64, i386 definitely dies with the 0.4.0-1 package. The problem was that I was building with an old switch ("--disable-asm") and that was actually _enabling_ asm support (go figure...), that led to the wrong synthesis type being enabled (bit 0x20 being "on") and linuxsampler quitting when it could not make sense of that. New packages are available now, at least they do work on i386 (did not try on x86_64 this time - no machine to test it on right now)... -- Fernando From bruceslists at ntlworld.com Wed Jan 17 18:41:34 2007 From: bruceslists at ntlworld.com (BJaY) Date: Wed Jan 17 18:41:29 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] linuxsampler CVS In-Reply-To: <1169076162.7319.48.camel@cmn3.stanford.edu> Message-ID: Seems to work OK now, I'll retry my projects on friday - thanks. -----Original Message----- From: linux-audio-user-bounces@music.columbia.edu [mailto:linux-audio-user-bounces@music.columbia.edu]On Behalf Of Fernando Lopez-Lezcano Sent: 17 January 2007 23:23 To: A list for linux audio users Cc: nando@ccrma.Stanford.EDU Subject: Re: [linux-audio-user] linuxsampler CVS On Wed, 2007-01-17 at 17:53 -0500, lanas wrote: > Le Wed, 17 Jan 2007 12:10:59 -0800, > Fernando Lopez-Lezcano a ?crit : > > On Wed, 2007-01-17 at 13:34 +0000, BJaY wrote: > >> linux > >> sampler crashes as soon is I try to play a note (linuxsampler - > > > 0.4.0, qsampler 0.1.3). > > > It is actually dying on my as well, sigh. > > I read your note, so I decided to give it a try. I already got linux > sampler but did not have qsampler, so I just got it using kyum. I > started qsampler, made the connection in jack, and loaded a > GrandPiano.gig that I got some time ago and played using an Axiom25 > keyboard. Seems to be all OK, at least for a few minutes - did not try > longer. > > linux sampler: 0.4.0-1.fc6.ccrma x86_64 > qsampler: 0.1.3-3.fc6.ccrma x86_64 Probably the problem was not happening in x86_64, i386 definitely dies with the 0.4.0-1 package. The problem was that I was building with an old switch ("--disable-asm") and that was actually _enabling_ asm support (go figure...), that led to the wrong synthesis type being enabled (bit 0x20 being "on") and linuxsampler quitting when it could not make sense of that. New packages are available now, at least they do work on i386 (did not try on x86_64 this time - no machine to test it on right now)... -- Fernando From aaron at nquit.com Wed Jan 17 20:55:28 2007 From: aaron at nquit.com (Aaron Trumm) Date: Wed Jan 17 20:50:35 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] OT: Getting rid of stuff round 2 Message-ID: <1169085329.5732.21.camel@localhost.localdomain> Hi all - this is Aaron from NQuit again - Some people have been asking me what I have left to get rid of (I'm moving and getting rid of damn near everything) So I made an incredibly detailed list at: http://www.nquit.com/forsale Anything you might want (down to the screw, basically) or need, just let me know. Make me any offer, the only catch is you gotta come get it in Oakland or pay for shipping, other than that I just need to get rid of this stuff and every stick is something I would've killed to find laying around in the trash at one point so I feel bad trashcanning it. Cheerio! :) -- Aaron From lt at westnet.com Thu Jan 18 01:27:36 2007 From: lt at westnet.com (Larry Troxler) Date: Wed Jan 17 22:27:36 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Building a new music PC / on-board video suggestions? Message-ID: <45AF1358.8090304@westnet.com> Hey all, it's that wonderful time where I'm picking components for a new music machine. It would mostly be used at home, but occasionally taken to rehearsalls and gigs, where it would function as a synthesizer. At first I was looking at rackmounts, say 2U, but got a bit concerned about how quiet they could be made. I then found this: http://www.antec.com/us/productDetails.php?ProdID=15738 It looks super, and has got good reviews with respect to quietness, and apparently there is a driver for the LCD display, which will come in handy for using it as a gig synth; I suppose I will look for some sort of USB button panel that also has Linux support. From the dimensions, it seems that it would fit into a 19 inch rack. So I wonder if I could buy or fashion some brackets so that I could put it into a rack when needed. I would get a single quiet hard drive, and try 64 studio, but this time I'll remember to set aside a couple of blank partitions in case I want to try another distro later. My main problem is deciding on a motherboard. I've been an AMD fan and I'm not quite ready yet to go back to Intel, even though I've read that the new Intel dual core is really giving AMD some competition. And since that case only fits a micro ATX motherboard, and since it seems like the AM2 socket is the way to go, it sort of limits my choices. And my main concern is with the on-board video. I am not interested at all in good quality video or 3D accel, but instead my priority is to pick a chipset that provides the least hassle in Linux, and is not disruptive with real-time operation. This is what New Egg has to offer: http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.asp?Submit=ENE&N=2010200022+1070921489+1075707619&Subcategory=22&description=&Ntk=&srchInDesc= It looks then, like the video choices are Nvidia GeForce 6100, Nvidia GeForce 6150, VIA K8M800, VIA K8M890, and ATI Radeon XPress 1150. So, if anyone has suggestions on which of these might be best, it would be nice to hear. I could of course throw in an older video card if that turns out to be better, but I am hoping to avoid that so as not to use up another slot on the micro ATX board. Larry Troxler From brunogola at gmail.com Thu Jan 18 08:46:58 2007 From: brunogola at gmail.com (Bruno Gola) Date: Thu Jan 18 08:47:08 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Music : Marshall In-Reply-To: <20070117195514.24a2d34d@localhost> References: <45AC105D.3060700@kolumbus.fi> <20070117195514.24a2d34d@localhost> Message-ID: Hi esa this sound is very nice! i'm listening to other songs in your home page and that's a good work. Can you (or the others :]) suggest any website where i can start reading about producing using linux (or in general) ? I'm starting and i have some doubts (for exemple, the best way/apps to record voice in ardour, plugins to use etc). cheers, On 1/17/07, Folderol wrote: > On Tue, 16 Jan 2007 01:38:05 +0200 > Esa Linna wrote: > > > Few days ago I tested my new old guitar with Behringer V-Tone GDI21 and > > I was thrilled with the sound. So I made this songs guitar and drum > > parts in few minutes (you can tell..), but after a while I noticed that > > this could be a somewhat real song. Found some old tongue-in-cheek > > lyrics of mine, that tells about Heaven's Gate -cult and its leader > > Marshall Applewhite. After I did this song, I noticed that this suicide > > incident happened 10 years ago! > > > > http://www.emvg.net/esa/marshall.ogg > > http://www.emvg.net/esa/marshall.mp3 > > > > I used: > > > > Ardour (SVN w/ VST) > > Millennium MD70 midi "drums" & Hydrogen > > Behringer GDI21 for guitar and bass sounds > > Behringer Eurorack MX602A mixer > > Behringer Tube Ultragain MIC200 for vocals > > Beyerdynamic microphone > > Epiphone Les Paul - el.g. > > Katar Jazzblaster - el.bass > > Roland PC200 midi keys & xfst & Rumpelrausch T?ips VSTi (organ sounds) > > Some levelling with Audacity > > > > & some ladspa & vst plugins, mostly TAP plugins. > > > > > > I would love to hear some feedback and suggestions for final mix. I want > > to keep it somewhat rough.. > > Has a very retro feel to it. Reminds me of the small bands in the > 1960s working small venues around England. > > I would think that's feel worth hanging on to, so don't suggest much > change. > > -- > Will J G > -- Bruno Fialho Marques Gola http://www.brunogola.com.br Cel: (11) 9294-5883 From listreader at lupulin.net Thu Jan 18 10:04:00 2007 From: listreader at lupulin.net (paul wisehart) Date: Thu Jan 18 10:02:06 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] sample rate question In-Reply-To: <5bdc1c8b0701161933u56c7e1bke6ffbf4ed5527bdb@mail.gmail.com> References: <200701170256.l0H2u6u01154@localhost.localdomain> <00a401c739e7$88d2e660$7d00a8c0@trummlaptop> <5bdc1c8b0701161933u56c7e1bke6ffbf4ed5527bdb@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20070118150400.GA32308@onion.office.techtarget.com> On Tue, Jan 16, 2007 at 07:33:42PM -0800, Mark Knecht wrote: > One thing to keep in mind is that this really is becoming a mute > issue. If I have understood things correctly DVDs are s/mute/moot/ , interesting freudian slip maybe :) -- paulw From markknecht at gmail.com Thu Jan 18 10:25:08 2007 From: markknecht at gmail.com (Mark Knecht) Date: Thu Jan 18 10:25:30 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] sample rate question In-Reply-To: <20070118150400.GA32308@onion.office.techtarget.com> References: <200701170256.l0H2u6u01154@localhost.localdomain> <00a401c739e7$88d2e660$7d00a8c0@trummlaptop> <5bdc1c8b0701161933u56c7e1bke6ffbf4ed5527bdb@mail.gmail.com> <20070118150400.GA32308@onion.office.techtarget.com> Message-ID: <5bdc1c8b0701180725y40b1000m255212027324fc16@mail.gmail.com> On 1/18/07, paul wisehart wrote: > On Tue, Jan 16, 2007 at 07:33:42PM -0800, Mark Knecht wrote: > > One thing to keep in mind is that this really is becoming a mute > > issue. If I have understood things correctly DVDs are > > s/mute/moot/ , interesting freudian slip maybe :) LOL. (Embarrassed smile) Yes, you are right. From pshirkey at boosthardware.com Thu Jan 18 17:45:17 2007 From: pshirkey at boosthardware.com (Patrick Shirkey) Date: Thu Jan 18 10:45:36 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Music : Marshall In-Reply-To: References: <45AC105D.3060700@kolumbus.fi> <20070117195514.24a2d34d@localhost> Message-ID: <45AFF87D.5040703@boosthardware.com> Bruno Gola wrote: > Hi esa > > this sound is very nice! i'm listening to other songs in your home > page and that's a good work. > > Can you (or the others :]) suggest any website where i can start > reading about producing using linux (or in general) ? I'm starting and > i have some doubts (for exemple, the best way/apps to record voice in > ardour, plugins to use etc). > > cheers, > > On 1/17/07, Folderol wrote: >> On Tue, 16 Jan 2007 01:38:05 +0200 >> Esa Linna wrote: >> >> > Few days ago I tested my new old guitar with Behringer V-Tone GDI21 and >> > I was thrilled with the sound. So I made this songs guitar and drum >> > parts in few minutes (you can tell..), but after a while I noticed that >> > this could be a somewhat real song. Found some old tongue-in-cheek >> > lyrics of mine, that tells about Heaven's Gate -cult and its leader >> > Marshall Applewhite. After I did this song, I noticed that this suicide >> > incident happened 10 years ago! >> > >> > http://www.emvg.net/esa/marshall.ogg >> > http://www.emvg.net/esa/marshall.mp3 >> > >> > I used: >> > >> > Ardour (SVN w/ VST) >> > Millennium MD70 midi "drums" & Hydrogen >> > Behringer GDI21 for guitar and bass sounds >> > Behringer Eurorack MX602A mixer >> > Behringer Tube Ultragain MIC200 for vocals >> > Beyerdynamic microphone >> > Epiphone Les Paul - el.g. >> > Katar Jazzblaster - el.bass >> > Roland PC200 midi keys & xfst & Rumpelrausch T?ips VSTi (organ sounds) >> > Some levelling with Audacity >> > >> > & some ladspa & vst plugins, mostly TAP plugins. >> > >> > >> > I would love to hear some feedback and suggestions for final mix. I >> want >> > to keep it somewhat rough.. >> >> Has a very retro feel to it. Reminds me of the small bands in the >> 1960s working small venues around England. >> >> I would think that's feel worth hanging on to, so don't suggest much >> change. >> >> -- >> Will J G >> > > -- Patrick Shirkey - Boost Hardware Ltd. Http://www.boosthardware.com Http://lau.linuxaudio.org - The Linux Audio Users guide ======================================== "Anything your mind can see you can manifest physically, then it will become reality" - Macka B From pshirkey at boosthardware.com Thu Jan 18 17:45:38 2007 From: pshirkey at boosthardware.com (Patrick Shirkey) Date: Thu Jan 18 10:46:24 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Music : Marshall In-Reply-To: References: <45AC105D.3060700@kolumbus.fi> <20070117195514.24a2d34d@localhost> Message-ID: <45AFF892.30505@boosthardware.com> Bruno Gola wrote: > Hi esa > > this sound is very nice! i'm listening to other songs in your home > page and that's a good work. > > Can you (or the others :]) suggest any website where i can start > reading about producing using linux (or in general) ? I'm starting and > i have some doubts (for exemple, the best way/apps to record voice in > ardour, plugins to use etc). > > cheers, -- Patrick Shirkey - Boost Hardware Ltd. Http://www.boosthardware.com Http://lau.linuxaudio.org - The Linux Audio Users guide ======================================== "Anything your mind can see you can manifest physically, then it will become reality" - Macka B From badmuthahubbard at gmail.com Thu Jan 18 11:55:16 2007 From: badmuthahubbard at gmail.com (Chuckk Hubbard) Date: Thu Jan 18 11:55:31 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] sample rate question In-Reply-To: <5bdc1c8b0701161933u56c7e1bke6ffbf4ed5527bdb@mail.gmail.com> References: <200701170256.l0H2u6u01154@localhost.localdomain> <00a401c739e7$88d2e660$7d00a8c0@trummlaptop> <5bdc1c8b0701161933u56c7e1bke6ffbf4ed5527bdb@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <8200bab70701180855r54200cd5u9075917077280e33@mail.gmail.com> On 1/16/07, Mark Knecht wrote: > Aaron and I are buddies so it's always fun to point out the other POV. > ;-) In the end he's probably right though. :-) > > At the outset I'll state that mostly I record at 44.1K. My issue in > the past has been that all frequency resamplers seem to cause negative > artifacts to my ears. When I record at 48K I like the sound, but when > I down-sample that material to 44.1K I find I don't like the sound as > much as I do if I just recorded the same material at 44.1K in the > first place. If there were a way to record at 441x48000 sample rate, all our problems would be solved. Until then, it is possible to record on two machines at the same time, though I don't know how useful that would be. -Chuckk From jdboyd at jdboyd.net Thu Jan 18 18:39:19 2007 From: jdboyd at jdboyd.net (Joshua Boyd) Date: Thu Jan 18 18:54:59 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] sample rate question In-Reply-To: <45AE748B.9030806@tobiah.org> References: <200701170256.l0H2u6u01154@localhost.localdomain> <45AE748B.9030806@tobiah.org> Message-ID: <20070118233919.GB791@jdboyd> On Wed, Jan 17, 2007 at 11:10:03AM -0800, Tobiah wrote: > First, do a blind "taste test" of your material > at 96k, then 44.1. If you can pick the 96k file every > time without knowing before hand which it is, then > you should record everything at 96k. CD's are 44.1, yes, > but your music will live longer than CD's. If you > can't pick the 96k file, then record at 44.1 for efficiency, > and to save space. Another option would be 88.2. Better quality that CD, but an even multiple with might reduce down sampling artifacts. -- Joshua D. Boyd jdboyd@jdboyd.net http://www.jdboyd.net/ http://www.joshuaboyd.org/ From capocasa at gmx.net Thu Jan 18 19:38:30 2007 From: capocasa at gmx.net (Carlo Capocasa) Date: Thu Jan 18 19:39:00 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Please help me tune Jack (with Freebob, improving on the ASork distribution) Message-ID: Hi there! My first big success since I bought my BeBoB based audio interface: It works! :) I used the beautiful little audio distribution called ASork by Johan Mattson, which really embodies everything I could ever expect from a linux audio distribution. I expanded its use to Freebob and I will be feeding my experience back to Johan, so expect a perfectly usable live cd with the option of Debian installation with the power of Freebob! I am working to get the thing absolutely, rock solid stable to the point you can use your consumer-end PC as a live instrument and I will be testing it on road conditions. As of now, every few minutes or so, I experience a one-second XRun. I would like to invite anyone with expertise in eliminating XRuns and increasing Jack's performance to reply with measures I could take. Here are the exact circumstances: * ASork is a Morphix based LiveCD with realtimed kernel * I am using version 0.04, with the kernel of 0.02, due to a bug that causes a hard lockup (mouse pointer won't move, must hard reset system) when starting Jack with the Freebob backend. That is kernel 2.6.15 with the realtime patch; at this time it is unknown to me whether Johan applied other patches or whether they might be relevant. * ASork 0.04 is installed to disk, and expanded which packages from the Debian Sid repository, along with the FreeBob and Freebobified Jack packages from Debian Experimental. * there is a line 'none tmpfs /tmp/jack defaults 0 0' in /etc/fstab What can I do to make my system absolutely foolproof realtime? Thank you. Carlo From capocasa at gmx.net Thu Jan 18 19:40:24 2007 From: capocasa at gmx.net (Carlo Capocasa) Date: Thu Jan 18 19:45:17 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: an relevant link about Vista In-Reply-To: <45AB8DB1.1050307@woh.rr.com> References: <45AB8DB1.1050307@woh.rr.com> Message-ID: Whew. Big Brother is disabling your hardware. Quite an irony how short Bill Gates is. Carlo From marcospcmusica at gmail.com Thu Jan 18 16:22:05 2007 From: marcospcmusica at gmail.com (Marcos Guglielmetti) Date: Thu Jan 18 20:42:43 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Another song using Rosegarden 1.4 and Ardour 0.99.3 Message-ID: <200701182222.06588.marcospcmusica@gmail.com> Hi, Link: ftp://musix.ourproject.org/pub/musix/audio/Cerca_de_mi_voz-M_Guglielmetti_Musix.ogg I used Rosegarden 1.4, Hydrogen 0.93, Zynaddsubfx 2.2.1, Qsynth 0.2.5-1 and Ardour 0.99.3 into Musix GNU+Linux. It will be licensed as CC http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/2.5/ Cheers, -- Marcos Guglielmetti * Director del desarrollo de Musix GNU+Linux, 100% Software Libre * CD Donwload: (http://www.musix.org.ar/en/) * Videos, programas y otras cosas en: ftp://musix.ourproject.org/pub/musix/ * Reporte de errores a: https://www.musix.org.ar/wiki/index.php?title=Problemas-Bugs *IRC: #musix channel on freenode * http://autosus.wordpress.com/ From mista.tapas at gmx.net Thu Jan 18 21:07:50 2007 From: mista.tapas at gmx.net (Florian Schmidt) Date: Thu Jan 18 21:13:41 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Please help me tune Jack (with Freebob, improving on the ASork distribution) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200701190307.50751.mista.tapas@gmx.net> On Friday 19 January 2007 01:38, Carlo Capocasa wrote: > Hi there! > > My first big success since I bought my BeBoB based audio interface: It > works! :) > > I used the beautiful little audio distribution called ASork by Johan > Mattson, which really embodies everything I could ever expect from a > linux audio distribution. I expanded its use to Freebob and I will be > feeding my experience back to Johan, so expect a perfectly usable live > cd with the option of Debian installation with the power of Freebob! > > I am working to get the thing absolutely, rock solid stable to the point > you can use your consumer-end PC as a live instrument and I will be > testing it on road conditions. As of now, every few minutes or so, I > experience a one-second XRun. I would like to invite anyone with > expertise in eliminating XRuns and increasing Jack's performance to > reply with measures I could take. > > Here are the exact circumstances: > > * ASork is a Morphix based LiveCD with realtimed kernel > * I am using version 0.04, with the kernel of 0.02, due > to a bug that causes a hard lockup (mouse pointer won't > move, must hard reset system) when starting Jack with the > Freebob backend. That is kernel 2.6.15 with the realtime > patch; at this time it is unknown to me whether Johan > applied other patches or whether they might be relevant. > * ASork 0.04 is installed to disk, and expanded which > packages from the Debian Sid repository, along with the > FreeBob and Freebobified Jack packages from Debian Experimental. > * there is a line 'none tmpfs /tmp/jack defaults 0 0' in /etc/fstab > > What can I do to make my system absolutely foolproof realtime? Have you tuned your irq setup? Read my little page on the subject http://tapas.affenbande.org/wordpress/?page_id=40 It's a little disorganized, but might be helpful.. Flo BTW: should we create the ONE linux low latency guide at linuxaudio.org? The existing ones are mostly concerned with 2.4 kernels and other stuff from the last millenium :) -- Palimm Palimm! http://tapas.affenbande.org From badmuthahubbard at gmail.com Thu Jan 18 21:37:45 2007 From: badmuthahubbard at gmail.com (Chuckk Hubbard) Date: Thu Jan 18 21:37:55 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Another song using Rosegarden 1.4 and Ardour 0.99.3 In-Reply-To: <200701182222.06588.marcospcmusica@gmail.com> References: <200701182222.06588.marcospcmusica@gmail.com> Message-ID: <8200bab70701181837hb70785ag2a39536980015109@mail.gmail.com> Good job. I like the effects on the voices. It all blends really well. -Chuckk On 1/18/07, Marcos Guglielmetti wrote: > Hi, > > Link: > ftp://musix.ourproject.org/pub/musix/audio/Cerca_de_mi_voz-M_Guglielmetti_Musix.ogg > > I used Rosegarden 1.4, Hydrogen 0.93, Zynaddsubfx 2.2.1, Qsynth 0.2.5-1 and > Ardour 0.99.3 into Musix GNU+Linux. > > It will be licensed as CC http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/2.5/ > > Cheers, > > -- > Marcos Guglielmetti > * Director del desarrollo de Musix GNU+Linux, 100% Software Libre > * CD Donwload: (http://www.musix.org.ar/en/) > * Videos, programas y otras cosas en: ftp://musix.ourproject.org/pub/musix/ > * Reporte de errores a: > https://www.musix.org.ar/wiki/index.php?title=Problemas-Bugs > *IRC: #musix channel on freenode > * http://autosus.wordpress.com/ > -- "Far and away the best prize that life has to offer is the chance to work hard at work worth doing." -Theodore Roosevelt From marcospcmusica at gmail.com Thu Jan 18 17:51:07 2007 From: marcospcmusica at gmail.com (Marcos Guglielmetti) Date: Thu Jan 18 21:50:52 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Another song using Rosegarden 1.4 and Ardour 0.99.3 In-Reply-To: <8200bab70701181837hb70785ag2a39536980015109@mail.gmail.com> References: <200701182222.06588.marcospcmusica@gmail.com> <8200bab70701181837hb70785ag2a39536980015109@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200701182351.08050.marcospcmusica@gmail.com> El Vie 19 Ene 2007 03:37, Chuckk Hubbard escribi?: > Good job. I like the effects on the voices. It all blends really well. > -Chuckk Thanks Chukk: I was a little worried about the effects on my 3 voices (with about 6 or 7 effects, taps de-esser, gate, compressor, EQ, delay, caps plate verb, ).... mmmm.... I know that sometimes the voice (the lyric in spanish) it's not "understandable", but, this could keep the listener focused on the song... so, it would be really easy to make the voices go a little louder, but, I think it's ok for me ;) , thanks again. > On 1/18/07, Marcos Guglielmetti wrote: > > Hi, > > > > Link: > > ftp://musix.ourproject.org/pub/musix/audio/Cerca_de_mi_voz-M_Guglielmetti > >_Musix.ogg > > > > I used Rosegarden 1.4, Hydrogen 0.93, Zynaddsubfx 2.2.1, Qsynth 0.2.5-1 > > and Ardour 0.99.3 into Musix GNU+Linux. > > > > It will be licensed as CC http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/2.5/ > > > > Cheers, > > > > -- > > Marcos Guglielmetti > > * Director del desarrollo de Musix GNU+Linux, 100% Software Libre > > * CD Donwload: (http://www.musix.org.ar/en/) > > * Videos, programas y otras cosas en: > > ftp://musix.ourproject.org/pub/musix/ * Reporte de errores a: > > https://www.musix.org.ar/wiki/index.php?title=Problemas-Bugs > > *IRC: #musix channel on freenode > > * http://autosus.wordpress.com/ -- Marcos Guglielmetti * Director del desarrollo de Musix GNU+Linux, 100% Software Libre * CD Donwload: (http://www.musix.org.ar/en/) * Videos, programas y otras cosas en: ftp://musix.ourproject.org/pub/musix/ * Reporte de errores a: https://www.musix.org.ar/wiki/index.php?title=Problemas-Bugs *IRC: #musix channel on freenode * http://autosus.wordpress.com/ From contact at leonard-ritter.com Fri Jan 19 00:25:47 2007 From: contact at leonard-ritter.com (Leonard Ritter) Date: Fri Jan 19 00:25:58 2007 Subject: [Consortium] Re: [linux-audio-user] Re: [linux-audio-dev] LAD/LAU/LAA/Consortium/... In-Reply-To: <200701170811.37838.viceic@net2000.ch> References: <007101c73989$e2fc5940$0202a8c0@64BitBadass> <200701170811.37838.viceic@net2000.ch> Message-ID: <1169184347.5593.19.camel@localhost> i don't see why we need to "move" to forums. mailing lists and forums have a different target audience and purpose. however i strongly support a linux audio related forum - especially for people new to the subject or searching for help (right now they turn up on irc in order to make fools out of themselves), an aggregation of knowledge in form of organizable threads that can be browsed wouldn't be such a terrible idea. "we need one because others have one" is a stupid argument. there are far better arguments for a forum. i think all that is needed is someone with some (security related) experience with forums and enough time to set it up and moderate - i am convinced ico or whoever is responsible for la.org will happily provide resources for such an experiment. On Wed, 2007-01-17 at 08:11 +0100, Predrag Viceic wrote: > I didn't pretend that Linuxaudio.org suggest moving to forums. Read my post. > *I* suggest moving to forums as *I* think it's better way to exchange the info > than those 90-tish, Mailman powered, mailing lists where you can't even > search for posts or whatever. > > And apparently I'm not the only one that pretends that: > > Ardour has a forum: http://ardour.org/forum/15 > Rosegarden has a forum: http://www.nabble.com/RoseGarden-f2887.html > Hydrogen has a forum : http://www.hydrogen-music.org/forum/ > etc. etc. etc. > > WFT?! even glibc has a forum !! > http://www.nabble.com/Sourceware---glibc-f12198.html > > The idea I had in mind when talking about linux audio forums: > http://www.linuxforums.org/forum/ > > > Predrag Viceic > http://freecycle.redsteamrecords.com > And no, Freecycle does not have a forum because Savanah doesn't provide such > tool. > > > Disclaimer: The opinions expressed are solely mine and not of the members of > linuxaudio.org "consortium". > > > > > Le mardi 16 janvier 2007 17:17, Ivica Ico Bukvic a ?crit : > > Oh dear... > > > > Please note that Linuxaudio.org offer does *not* suggest moving to forums. > > Again, let me repeat, it does *not* suggest moving to forums. > > > > It suggests moving the existing mailing lists LAD/LAU/LAA, so that they are > > hosted under Linuxaudio.org. They would still remain the same lists with > > same subscribers and same features. The only difference is that we would > > have them under the Linuxaudio.org umbrella. Namely, we would have > > linux-audio-dev@linuxaudio.org etc., instead of > > linux-audio-dev@music.columbia.edu. But also, more importantly, these as > > well as any other relevant lists that end-up being consolidated, would be > > found under *one* *single* URL: lists.linuxaudio.org. And that, in and of > > itself in my book (and I am sure in a book of any newcomer to Linux audio) > > would be truly priceless. > > > > Best wishes, > > > > Ico > _______________________________________________ > Consortium mailing list > Consortium@lists.linuxaudio.org > http://lists.linuxaudio.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/consortium -- Leonard Ritter -- Freelance Art & Logic -- http://www.leonard-ritter.com From hhj at musikcheck.dk Fri Jan 19 02:39:33 2007 From: hhj at musikcheck.dk (Hasse Hagen Johansen) Date: Fri Jan 19 02:39:46 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] (no subject) Message-ID: <20070119073933.20264.qmail@hagen-johansen.dk> Hi I am looking at usb soundcards for listening to music on my laptop. Right now I got down to three candidates: - Terratec Aureon 5.1 USB MKII Pros: Cheap.Have both TOSLINK in/out Cons: "Only" 16bit up to 48KHz - Audiotrak Optoplay Pros: 24bit/96KHz Cons: No TOSLINK input - Roland Edirol UA-1EX Pros: 24bit/96KHz.Has TOSLINK in/out Cons: Cost about 40% more than the others What I need is soundcard with stereo output to headphones,line out,and preferable TOSLINK in/out(It would be useful sometimes, but is not a must) Any other suggestions is also welcome. Also higher end cards on USB/PCCARD which I can buy used(RME hdsp with multiface is a bit overkill though) Any one have any experience with such cards and can recommend something? Regards Hasse H. Johansen From hhj at musikcheck.dk Fri Jan 19 03:10:38 2007 From: hhj at musikcheck.dk (Hasse Hagen Johansen) Date: Fri Jan 19 03:10:46 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Cheap USB "soundcards" (resending. Now with subject) Message-ID: <20070119081038.23550.qmail@hagen-johansen.dk> Sorry forgot the subject in the last mail Hi I am looking at usb soundcards for listening to music on my laptop. Right now I got down to three candidates: - Terratec Aureon 5.1 USB MKII Pros: Cheap.Have both TOSLINK in/out Cons: "Only" 16bit up to 48KHz - Audiotrak Optoplay Pros: 24bit/96KHz Cons: No TOSLINK input - Roland Edirol UA-1EX Pros: 24bit/96KHz.Has TOSLINK in/out Cons: Cost about 40% more than the others What I need is soundcard with stereo output to headphones,line out,and preferable TOSLINK in/out(It would be useful sometimes, but is not a must) Any other suggestions is also welcome. Also higher end cards on USB/PCCARD which I can buy used(RME hdsp with multiface is a bit overkill though) Any one have any experience with such cards and can recommend something? Regards Hasse H. Johansen From atte.jensen at gmail.com Fri Jan 19 03:17:57 2007 From: atte.jensen at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Atte_Andr=E9_Jensen?=) Date: Fri Jan 19 03:18:33 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Please help me tune Jack (with Freebob, improving on the ASork distribution) In-Reply-To: <200701190307.50751.mista.tapas@gmx.net> References: <200701190307.50751.mista.tapas@gmx.net> Message-ID: <45B07EB5.4060003@gmail.com> Florian Schmidt wrote: > BTW: should we create the ONE linux low latency guide at linuxaudio.org? The > existing ones are mostly concerned with 2.4 kernels and other stuff from the > last millenium :) That would be really great, yes! -- peace, love & harmony Atte http://www.atte.dk | quintet: http://www.anagrammer.dk | compositions: http://www.atte.dk/compositions From linuxmedia4 at netscape.net Fri Jan 19 05:48:19 2007 From: linuxmedia4 at netscape.net (linuxmedia4@netscape.net) Date: Fri Jan 19 05:48:15 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Exporting Muse tracks to an audio file Message-ID: <45B0A1F3.3030908@netscape.net> Hi, When I need to record drum parts, I use Muse that triggers samples in Hydrogen or Specimen. Unfortunately, in this situation, Muse's 'Bounce to File' function doesn't allow me to export to an audio file (to use in ecasound) because this only works with Muse's built-in soft synths or soundfonts loaded into Muse (unless I overlooked something). Muse's 'simple drums' works pretty good and allows me to use the 'Bounce to File' function. But then I can't use multilayered drum samples. The solution would be to record in Hydrogen, and then export it to an audio file. But I just can't work with 'pattern based' sequencers because it's too limiting. I record all sequences with Muse because I can just press 'Record' and record for as long as I need to. Anyways... does anyone have any idea how to get Muse's 'drum tracks' to a stereo audio file so I can use it in ecasound? My Echo IO card doesn't have a 'capture function' like my SB Live card used to (so I can capture whatever comes through the card). I don't think 'timemachine' will work because I would have to find exactly were the 'beginning' starts in the resulting audio file. With the 'capture function' in the SB Live card, I would use ecasound to start recording everything coming through the card... but ecasound and Muse were synced (via jack) so it would start recording perfectly at the necessary point. With 'timemachine' you press 'Record', and then go to Muse and press 'Play' and meanwhile, you have a lot of dead space in the front of the resulting audio file. Any help would be appreciated... Thanks, Rocco From mobarre at gmail.com Fri Jan 19 05:51:51 2007 From: mobarre at gmail.com (Marc-Olivier Barre) Date: Fri Jan 19 05:52:19 2007 Subject: [Consortium] Re: [linux-audio-user] Re: [linux-audio-dev] LAD/LAU/LAA/Consortium/... In-Reply-To: <1169184347.5593.19.camel@localhost> References: <007101c73989$e2fc5940$0202a8c0@64BitBadass> <200701170811.37838.viceic@net2000.ch> <1169184347.5593.19.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <3c808a150701190251i3fba8826n5c80bc6a8d3ff1c0@mail.gmail.com> On 1/19/07, Leonard Ritter wrote: > i don't see why we need to "move" to forums. mailing lists and forums > have a different target audience and purpose. > > however i strongly support a linux audio related forum - especially for > people new to the subject or searching for help (right now they turn up > on irc in order to make fools out of themselves), an aggregation of > knowledge in form of organizable threads that can be browsed wouldn't be > such a terrible idea. > > "we need one because others have one" is a stupid argument. there are > far better arguments for a forum. > > i think all that is needed is someone with some (security related) > experience with forums and enough time to set it up and moderate - i am > convinced ico or whoever is responsible for la.org will happily provide > resources for such an experiment. Ok, Apparently forum addicts have decided to hijack this thread though, the original question was : do you want LA* _lists_ (LIST is the keyword here, can't stress it enough) to be moved to linuxaudio.org. I have noting against the idea of a forum, the people interested in this are free to build and maintain one and eventually discuss it with Ico. I'm sure __________________ Marc-Olivier Barre, Markinoko. From mobarre at gmail.com Fri Jan 19 05:54:06 2007 From: mobarre at gmail.com (Marc-Olivier Barre) Date: Fri Jan 19 05:54:30 2007 Subject: [Consortium] Re: [linux-audio-user] Re: [linux-audio-dev] LAD/LAU/LAA/Consortium/... In-Reply-To: <3c808a150701190251i3fba8826n5c80bc6a8d3ff1c0@mail.gmail.com> References: <007101c73989$e2fc5940$0202a8c0@64BitBadass> <200701170811.37838.viceic@net2000.ch> <1169184347.5593.19.camel@localhost> <3c808a150701190251i3fba8826n5c80bc6a8d3ff1c0@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <3c808a150701190254y7a3e4d74o6ea02a9450d814ca@mail.gmail.com> > Ok, Apparently forum addicts have decided to hijack this thread > though, the original question was : do you want LA* _lists_ (LIST is > the keyword here, can't stress it enough) to be moved to > linuxaudio.org. > > I have noting against the idea of a forum, the people interested in > this are free to build and maintain one and eventually discuss it with > Ico. I'm sure > __________________ > Marc-Olivier Barre, > Markinoko. > Ok, I've hit the post button in the middle of my post... I was saying that I was sure a forum could help a lot of newbie not interested in a mailing list. Now could we get back to the original question and take a decision ? Cheers, -- __________________ Marc-Olivier Barre, Markinoko. From emillo at libero.it Fri Jan 19 05:58:12 2007 From: emillo at libero.it (Emiliano Grilli) Date: Fri Jan 19 05:58:25 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Exporting Muse tracks to an audio file In-Reply-To: <45B0A1F3.3030908@netscape.net> References: <45B0A1F3.3030908@netscape.net> Message-ID: <20070119105812.GA17632@emillo.net> venerd?, 19 gennaio 2007 alle 05:48:19, linuxmedia4@netscape.net ha scritto: > Hi, > > When I need to record drum parts, I use Muse that triggers samples in > Hydrogen or Specimen. Unfortunately, in this situation, Muse's 'Bounce > to File' function doesn't allow me to export to an audio file (to use in > ecasound) because this only works with Muse's built-in soft synths or > soundfonts loaded into Muse (unless I overlooked something). > > Muse's 'simple drums' works pretty good and allows me to use the 'Bounce > to File' function. But then I can't use multilayered drum samples. > > The solution would be to record in Hydrogen, and then export it to an > audio file. But I just can't work with 'pattern based' sequencers > because it's too limiting. I record all sequences with Muse because I > can just press 'Record' and record for as long as I need to. > > Anyways... does anyone have any idea how to get Muse's 'drum tracks' to > a stereo audio file so I can use it in ecasound? My Echo IO card doesn't > have a 'capture function' like my SB Live card used to (so I can capture > whatever comes through the card). I don't think 'timemachine' will work > because I would have to find exactly were the 'beginning' starts in the > resulting audio file. With the 'capture function' in the SB Live card, I > would use ecasound to start recording everything coming through the > card... but ecasound and Muse were synced (via jack) so it would start > recording perfectly at the necessary point. With 'timemachine' you press > 'Record', and then go to Muse and press 'Play' and meanwhile, you have a > lot of dead space in the front of the resulting audio file. > > Any help would be appreciated... If you're using jack, you can route hydrogen audio outputs to an audio track in muse. Then you can record the drum part as audio on that track. > Thanks, > Rocco HTH Ciao -- Emiliano Grilli Linux user #209089 http://www.emillo.net From rj at spamatica.se Fri Jan 19 06:46:12 2007 From: rj at spamatica.se (Robert Jonsson) Date: Fri Jan 19 06:46:47 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Exporting Muse tracks to an audio file In-Reply-To: <45B0A1F3.3030908@netscape.net> References: <45B0A1F3.3030908@netscape.net> Message-ID: <45B0AF84.10406@spamatica.se> Hi Rocco, linuxmedia4@netscape.net skrev: > Hi, > > When I need to record drum parts, I use Muse that triggers samples in > Hydrogen or Specimen. Unfortunately, in this situation, Muse's 'Bounce > to File' function doesn't allow me to export to an audio file (to use > in ecasound) because this only works with Muse's built-in soft synths > or soundfonts loaded into Muse (unless I overlooked something). Actually MusE can add arbitrary audio sources to the mix, not just softsynths. Right click in the track list and select Audio-Input. Connect this input to the softsynth output and off you go. In this situation it is best to unconnect the softsynths routing to the soundcard since this is not needed and will interfere with your listening levels. Most softsynths have a setting to skip this step. Regards, Robert > > Muse's 'simple drums' works pretty good and allows me to use the > 'Bounce to File' function. But then I can't use multilayered drum > samples. > > The solution would be to record in Hydrogen, and then export it to an > audio file. But I just can't work with 'pattern based' sequencers > because it's too limiting. I record all sequences with Muse because I > can just press 'Record' and record for as long as I need to. > > Anyways... does anyone have any idea how to get Muse's 'drum tracks' > to a stereo audio file so I can use it in ecasound? My Echo IO card > doesn't have a 'capture function' like my SB Live card used to (so I > can capture whatever comes through the card). I don't think > 'timemachine' will work because I would have to find exactly were the > 'beginning' starts in the resulting audio file. With the 'capture > function' in the SB Live card, I would use ecasound to start recording > everything coming through the card... but ecasound and Muse were > synced (via jack) so it would start recording perfectly at the > necessary point. With 'timemachine' you press 'Record', and then go to > Muse and press 'Play' and meanwhile, you have a lot of dead space in > the front of the resulting audio file. > > Any help would be appreciated... > > Thanks, > Rocco From arnold.krille at gmail.com Fri Jan 19 08:27:08 2007 From: arnold.krille at gmail.com (Arnold Krille) Date: Fri Jan 19 08:38:23 2007 Subject: [Consortium] Re: [linux-audio-user] Re: [linux-audio-dev] LAD/LAU/LAA/Consortium/... In-Reply-To: <3c808a150701190254y7a3e4d74o6ea02a9450d814ca@mail.gmail.com> References: <007101c73989$e2fc5940$0202a8c0@64BitBadass> <200701170811.37838.viceic@net2000.ch> <1169184347.5593.19.camel@localhost> <3c808a150701190251i3fba8826n5c80bc6a8d3ff1c0@mail.gmail.com> <3c808a150701190254y7a3e4d74o6ea02a9450d814ca@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <2def88b80701190527l44ea8a6axa388522232da62b@mail.gmail.com> 2007/1/19, Marc-Olivier Barre : > Now could we get back to the original question and take a decision ? la[adu]@linuxaudio.org would definitely ease the situation at exhibitions and trade shows. ++moving_lad_to_la.org Arnold -- visit http://www.arnoldarts.de/ --- Wenn man mit Raubkopien Bands wie Brosis oder Britney Spears wirklich verhindern k?nnte, w?rde ich mir noch heute einen Stapel Brenner und einen Sack Rohlinge kaufen. From zettberlin at linuxuse.de Fri Jan 19 08:40:41 2007 From: zettberlin at linuxuse.de (Hartmut Noack) Date: Fri Jan 19 08:44:25 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Exporting Muse tracks to an audio file In-Reply-To: <45B0A1F3.3030908@netscape.net> References: <45B0A1F3.3030908@netscape.net> Message-ID: <45B0CA59.4000104@linuxuse.de> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 linuxmedia4@netscape.net schrieb: > Anyways... does anyone have any idea how to get Muse's 'drum tracks' to > a stereo audio file so I can use it in ecasound? My Echo IO card doesn't > have a 'capture function' But jack does, you can capture anything connected to jack with any Recordingprog that can connect to jack (I use qarecord for small jobs and Ardour for more complex stuff) > 'Record', and then go to Muse and press 'Play' and meanwhile, you have a > lot of dead space in the front of the resulting audio file. You can sync the transport of Ardour with the one of Muse, connect whatever Soundthrower (like H2, Specimen, AMS etc etc) you use, to its own track in Ardour, toggle record for these Tracks and then set Record in standby in Ardour, then you can start Muse running and Ardour starts the Recording in sync. The syncing needs some Setup in Ardour and Muse, you'll find out, its tricky but not as complicated as it looks. 10 min trial/error and you got it ;-) good luck ;-) WAIT!!!! of course you can record the output of H2, Specimen etc. DIRECTLY in Muse also! Well that should be in perfect sync then anyway ;-) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.3 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFFsMpZ1Aecwva1SWMRAkibAKCNRhDSFEibGWeWv2C4vdvMh/VpXwCdEJC+ sS61wI8cacSI5DUrO5kAoeU= =6kwF -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From pieterp at joow.be Fri Jan 19 13:00:44 2007 From: pieterp at joow.be (Pieter Palmers) Date: Fri Jan 19 09:01:18 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Multi-channel audio with a computer front end In-Reply-To: <200701141502.37942.HomeTheater@feline-soul.com> References: <200701141502.37942.HomeTheater@feline-soul.com> Message-ID: <45B1074C.1050807@joow.be> Bearcat M. Sandor wrote: > > So, is a firewire device like the Apogee Rosetta 800 a solution? Will a linux > movie player using xine or gstreamer be able to send the correct channels of > the Dolby Digital/DTS to the individual channels on a multi-channel pro > device? > > This all assumes that Freebob (the firewire driver) works as advertised. > > I realize i can just send a dolby digital/DTS signal to the Transporter and > then on to a pre/pro but that adds another link in the chain. Note that the 'Advertised' functionality of the current freebob driver does not contain AC3/DTS pass through. Pieter FreeBoB developer From pieterp at joow.be Fri Jan 19 13:02:38 2007 From: pieterp at joow.be (Pieter Palmers) Date: Fri Jan 19 09:02:51 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] M-Audio Ozonic and FreeBob In-Reply-To: <20070110.153645.15950.1283694@webmail48.nyc.untd.com> References: <20070110.153645.15950.1283694@webmail48.nyc.untd.com> Message-ID: <45B107BE.3080406@joow.be> Jeff Sandys wrote: > Has anyone tried to use an M-Audio Ozonic firewire keyboard > and audio I/O with FreeBob? If so, have you tried the Enigma > editor with Wine to load and save settings? I haven't tried it, but I can say with 99% confidence that this Enigma editor won't work. It might run on Wine, but it won't find the Ozonic. Pieter FreeBoB developer From nedko at arnaudov.name Fri Jan 19 09:23:52 2007 From: nedko at arnaudov.name (Nedko Arnaudov) Date: Fri Jan 19 09:19:20 2007 Subject: [Consortium] Re: [linux-audio-user] Re: [linux-audio-dev] LAD/LAU/LAA/Consortium/... In-Reply-To: <3c808a150701190254y7a3e4d74o6ea02a9450d814ca@mail.gmail.com> (Marc-Olivier Barre's message of "Fri, 19 Jan 2007 11:54:06 +0100") References: <007101c73989$e2fc5940$0202a8c0@64BitBadass> <200701170811.37838.viceic@net2000.ch> <1169184347.5593.19.camel@localhost> <3c808a150701190251i3fba8826n5c80bc6a8d3ff1c0@mail.gmail.com> <3c808a150701190254y7a3e4d74o6ea02a9450d814ca@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <8764b3jds7.fsf@arnaudov.name> "Marc-Olivier Barre" writes: > Now could we get back to the original question and take a decision ? My thoughts: * It is better place because of name (columbia.edu?!?!?) (++) * It is working now, why we need to move it (--) * Isn't it be better to spend efforst on wiki instead (--) Summary: I'm not against. -- Nedko Arnaudov -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 188 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://music.columbia.edu/pipermail/linux-audio-user/attachments/20070119/d7419f79/attachment.bin From paul at linuxaudiosystems.com Fri Jan 19 09:18:59 2007 From: paul at linuxaudiosystems.com (Paul Davis) Date: Fri Jan 19 09:19:44 2007 Subject: [Consortium] Re: [linux-audio-user] Re: [linux-audio-dev] LAD/LAU/LAA/Consortium/... In-Reply-To: <3c808a150701190254y7a3e4d74o6ea02a9450d814ca@mail.gmail.com> References: <007101c73989$e2fc5940$0202a8c0@64BitBadass> <200701170811.37838.viceic@net2000.ch> <1169184347.5593.19.camel@localhost> <3c808a150701190251i3fba8826n5c80bc6a8d3ff1c0@mail.gmail.com> <3c808a150701190254y7a3e4d74o6ea02a9450d814ca@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1169216339.446.135.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Fri, 2007-01-19 at 11:54 +0100, Marc-Olivier Barre wrote: > > Ok, Apparently forum addicts have decided to hijack this thread > > though, the original question was : do you want LA* _lists_ (LIST is > > the keyword here, can't stress it enough) to be moved to > > linuxaudio.org. > > > > I have noting against the idea of a forum, the people interested in > > this are free to build and maintain one and eventually discuss it with > > Ico. I'm sure > > __________________ > > Marc-Olivier Barre, > > Markinoko. > > > > Ok, I've hit the post button in the middle of my post... I was saying > that I was sure a forum could help a lot of newbie not interested in a > mailing list. > > Now could we get back to the original question and take a decision ? votes++ for the move. From brad at sonaural.com Fri Jan 19 10:58:45 2007 From: brad at sonaural.com (Brad Fuller) Date: Fri Jan 19 11:00:23 2007 Subject: [Consortium] Re: [linux-audio-user] Re: [linux-audio-dev] LAD/LAU/LAA/Consortium/... In-Reply-To: <1169216339.446.135.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <007101c73989$e2fc5940$0202a8c0@64BitBadass> <200701170811.37838.viceic@net2000.ch> <1169184347.5593.19.camel@localhost> <3c808a150701190251i3fba8826n5c80bc6a8d3ff1c0@mail.gmail.com> <3c808a150701190254y7a3e4d74o6ea02a9450d814ca@mail.gmail.com> <1169216339.446.135.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <45B0EAB5.3000506@sonaural.com> Paul Davis wrote: > On Fri, 2007-01-19 at 11:54 +0100, Marc-Olivier Barre wrote: >>> Ok, Apparently forum addicts have decided to hijack this thread >>> though, the original question was : do you want LA* _lists_ (LIST is >>> the keyword here, can't stress it enough) to be moved to >>> linuxaudio.org. >>> >>> I have noting against the idea of a forum, the people interested in >>> this are free to build and maintain one and eventually discuss it with >>> Ico. I'm sure >>> __________________ >>> Marc-Olivier Barre, >>> Markinoko. >>> >> Ok, I've hit the post button in the middle of my post... I was saying >> that I was sure a forum could help a lot of newbie not interested in a >> mailing list. >> >> Now could we get back to the original question and take a decision ? > > votes++ for the move. probably not many replies because people don't care if it's moved from one server to another. Doesn't make a difference to me just as long as the service is the same or better. -- brad fuller http://www.Sonaural.com/ +1 (408) 799-6124 From capocasa at gmx.net Fri Jan 19 11:01:58 2007 From: capocasa at gmx.net (Carlo Capocasa) Date: Fri Jan 19 11:04:36 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Cheap USB "soundcards" (resending. Now with subject) In-Reply-To: <20070119081038.23550.qmail@hagen-johansen.dk> References: <20070119081038.23550.qmail@hagen-johansen.dk> Message-ID: I would generally recommend firewire cards at the moment since I have the feeling you might at some point use the same device to start doing something that requires low latency with your device. I am currently in the process of testing a freebob-based workstation to the point of using it on the road as an instrument, and I am fairly confident low latency firewire audio will be a reality soon, especially with the excellent work Peter and the freebob folks are doing. Personally I use a Roland FA-101, which also has a 'little brother', the Roland FA-66. Hasse Hagen Johansen wrote: > Sorry forgot the subject in the last mail > Hi > I am looking at usb soundcards for listening to music on my > laptop. Right now I got down to three candidates: > - Terratec Aureon 5.1 USB MKII > Pros: Cheap.Have both TOSLINK in/out > Cons: "Only" 16bit up to 48KHz > - Audiotrak Optoplay > Pros: 24bit/96KHz > Cons: No TOSLINK input > - Roland Edirol UA-1EX > Pros: 24bit/96KHz.Has TOSLINK in/out > Cons: Cost about 40% more than the others > What I need is soundcard with stereo output to headphones,line out,and > preferable TOSLINK in/out(It would be useful sometimes, but is not a > must) > Any other suggestions is also welcome. Also higher end cards on > USB/PCCARD which I can buy used(RME hdsp with multiface is a > bit overkill though) > Any one have any experience with such cards and can recommend > something? > Regards > Hasse H. Johansen > From yves at jazzcomputer.org Fri Jan 19 11:03:30 2007 From: yves at jazzcomputer.org (Yves Potin) Date: Fri Jan 19 11:06:24 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Exporting Muse tracks to an audio file In-Reply-To: <45B0CA59.4000104@linuxuse.de> References: <45B0A1F3.3030908@netscape.net> <45B0CA59.4000104@linuxuse.de> Message-ID: <20070119160330.GA18305@localhost> Le 19 Jan ? 14:40, Hartmut Noack ecrivait: > > of course you can record the output of H2, Specimen etc. DIRECTLY in > Muse also! Well that should be in perfect sync then anyway ;-) Why ? Y. From capocasa at gmx.net Fri Jan 19 11:51:53 2007 From: capocasa at gmx.net (Carlo Capocasa) Date: Fri Jan 19 11:52:23 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Please help me tune Jack (with Freebob, improving on the ASork distribution) In-Reply-To: <200701190307.50751.mista.tapas@gmx.net> References: <200701190307.50751.mista.tapas@gmx.net> Message-ID: > Have you tuned your irq setup? > > Read my little page on the subject > > http://tapas.affenbande.org/wordpress/?page_id=40 Thanks Florian, very helpful. Apparently, my ohci1394 device is sharing interrupts with my internal sound card, my internal modem's sound device, my Ethernet card, my USB stick, and an unidentified device. I just asked on the Freebob list how to make ohci1394 use a dedicated interrupt (or share it with an unused device like ide2 in my case), maybe you can help as well? Carlo From steve at hassard.net Mon Jan 15 15:59:01 2007 From: steve at hassard.net (Stephen Hassard) Date: Fri Jan 19 11:59:46 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Best possible PCI-Express video card for DAW In-Reply-To: <20070115144602.3f8y4tqq888kwggw@markehle.net> References: <20070115061718.4D6225B59FA6@music.columbia.edu> <200701151121.21839.njcross@sbcglobal.net> <20070115144602.3f8y4tqq888kwggw@markehle.net> Message-ID: I've had a lot of good luck with an ATI X800 XL that's now fairly well supported with GPL'd OpenGL drivers in Xorg. I've seen these boards available via ATI's website refurbished for less than $100 bucks. On 1/15/07, mark@ehle.homelinux.org wrote: > > Hello again, folks - > > A while back I emailed you for advice on the best motherboard that I > could get for a rock-solid digital audio workstation. I appreciate all > the recommendations, and wound up buying an Intel D925XECV2 with a > Intel Pentium 4 3Ghz processor. I have 2 Kingston 512MB RAM sticks > coming as well. I've also got a Seagate 250Mb SATA Barracuda on the > way, too. I will use this for the system software and get a couple of > bigger drives for data later. > > The D925XECV2 is a nice board near as I can tell (I haven't fired it > up yet) but it does not come with on-board video. It does come with a > PCI-Express slot, so my next question is what is the best video board > to get for this setup? > > Thanks again! > > Mark > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://music.columbia.edu/pipermail/linux-audio-user/attachments/20070115/c3ccc203/attachment-0001.html From steve at hassard.net Mon Jan 15 20:55:16 2007 From: steve at hassard.net (Stephen Hassard) Date: Fri Jan 19 11:59:56 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Best possible PCI-Express video card for DAW In-Reply-To: <20070116003640.GC21730@jdboyd> References: <20070115061718.4D6225B59FA6@music.columbia.edu> <200701151121.21839.njcross@sbcglobal.net> <20070115144602.3f8y4tqq888kwggw@markehle.net> <20070115211108.GA22741@slinkp.com> <20070115181934.fl418uqog0wkk8os@www.markehle.net> <20070116003640.GC21730@jdboyd> Message-ID: On 1/15/07, Joshua Boyd wrote: > > I'm interested in trying the new 965G graphics, but that is only a on > the motherboard option, so it doesn't apply to you, and for general use > the x700 will probably work better at the moment (but that might change > in a few months, when the new intel drivers are included by default). > Plus, I don't see very many 965G motherboards with DVI output. DVI is available as an addon for the 965G boards: http://intellinuxgraphics.org/documentation.html --- You can purchase (for around $20) an 'sDVO' card which plugs into the PCI-E slot and offers DVI support in various flavors. This is just an adapter board which connects the onboard graphics chip with a DVI connector using the sDVO portion of the PCI-E standard; it's not an external graphics adapter. You are right though, Intel doesn't offer a stand-alone PCI-E graphics adapter. --- Have fun, Steve -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://music.columbia.edu/pipermail/linux-audio-user/attachments/20070115/16010cef/attachment-0001.html From will.voorhees at gmail.com Wed Jan 17 16:09:26 2007 From: will.voorhees at gmail.com (William Voorhees) Date: Fri Jan 19 12:00:04 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Intel HDA( SigmaTel STAC9200) and JACK Message-ID: <8f020f940701171309y41ef222eh8f30d8db26afd14e@mail.gmail.com> Basic sound playback works fine, When trying to run JACK I get incredible amounts of xruns at any setting(including RT enabled). This appears to be the same problem here: http://lalists.stanford.edu/lau/2006/06/0269.html. I contact Ian and has yet to reach any kind of resolution, I'm wondering if anyone has any ideas at this point? P.S. using timidity midi playback is really choppy could this be related? -Will Things I've tried: sudo modprobe snd_hda_intel mode=stack3 qjacktl Messages: :05:17.256 Audio connection change. 15:05:17.257 MIDI connection change. 15:05:19.088 XRUN callback (33 skipped). 15:05:21.123 XRUN callback (34 skipped). 15:05:23.164 XRUN callback (34 skipped). 15:05:25.200 XRUN callback (34 skipped). 15:05:27.232 XRUN callback (34 skipped). 15:05:29.268 XRUN callback (31 skipped). 15:05:31.308 XRUN callback (33 skipped). 15:05:33.336 XRUN callback (31 skipped). 15:05:35.368 XRUN callback (34 skipped). 15:05:37.404 XRUN callback (33 skipped). 15:05:39.445 XRUN callback (34 skipped). 15:05:41.481 XRUN callback (34 skipped). 15:05:43.517 XRUN callback (34 skipped). 15:05:45.557 XRUN callback (34 skipped). 15:05:47.597 XRUN callback (33 skipped). 15:05:49.833 XRUN callback (34 skipped). 15:05:52.123 XRUN callback (32 skipped). Settings: Running Ubuntu Edgy. lspci |grep Audio 00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801G (ICH7 Family) High Definition Audio Controller (rev 01) cat /proc/asound/version Advanced Linux Sound Architecture Driver Version 1.0.12rc1 (Thu Jun 22 13:55:50 2006 UTC). cat /proc/asound/card0/codec#0 Codec: SigmaTel STAC9200 Address: 0 Vendor Id: 0x83847690 Subsystem Id: 0x102801bd Revision Id: 0x102201 Default PCM: rates 0x7e0, bits 0x0e, types 0x1 Default Amp-In caps: N/A Default Amp-Out caps: ofs=0x1f, nsteps=0x1f, stepsize=0x05, mute=1 Node 0x02 [Audio Output] wcaps 0xd0401: Stereo Power: 0x0 Node 0x03 [Audio Input] wcaps 0x1d0541: Stereo Power: 0x0 Connection: 1 0x0a Node 0x04 [Audio Input] wcaps 0x140311: Stereo Digital PCM: rates 0x160, bits 0x0e, types 0x5 Connection: 1 0x08 Node 0x05 [Audio Output] wcaps 0x40211: Stereo Digital PCM: rates 0x1e0, bits 0x0e, types 0x5 Node 0x06 [Vendor Defined Widget] wcaps 0xf30201: Stereo Digital Node 0x07 [Audio Selector] wcaps 0x300901: Stereo Connection: 3 0x02* 0x08 0x0a Node 0x08 [Pin Complex] wcaps 0x430681: Stereo Digital Pincap 0x0810024: IN EAPD Detect Pin Default 0x40f000f0: [N/A] Other at Ext N/A Conn = Unknown, Color = Unknown Pin-ctls: 0x00: Power: 0x0 Node 0x09 [Pin Complex] wcaps 0x400301: Stereo Digital Pincap 0x0810: OUT Pin Default 0x40f000f1: [N/A] Other at Ext N/A Conn = Unknown, Color = Unknown Pin-ctls: 0x00: Connection: 2 0x05* 0x0a Node 0x0a [Audio Selector] wcaps 0x30090d: Stereo Amp-Out Amp-Out caps: ofs=0x00, nsteps=0x0f, stepsize=0x05, mute=1 Amp-Out vals: [0x80 0x80] Connection: 1 0x0c Node 0x0b [Audio Selector] wcaps 0x300105: Stereo Amp-Out Amp-Out caps: N/A Amp-Out vals: [0x1f 0x1f] Connection: 1 0x07 Node 0x0c [Audio Selector] wcaps 0x30010d: Stereo Amp-Out Amp-Out caps: ofs=0x00, nsteps=0x04, stepsize=0x27, mute=0 Amp-Out vals: [0x03 0x03] Connection: 5 0x10* 0x0f 0x0e 0x0d 0x12 Node 0x0d [Pin Complex] wcaps 0x400181: Stereo Pincap 0x083f: IN OUT HP Detect Pin Default 0x0421101f: [Jack] HP Out at Ext Right Conn = 1/8, Color = Black Pin-ctls: 0xc0: OUT HP Connection: 1 0x0b Node 0x0e [Pin Complex] wcaps 0x400181: Stereo Pincap 0x083f: IN OUT HP Detect Pin Default 0x90170310: [Fixed] Speaker at Int N/A Conn = Analog, Color = Unknown Pin-ctls: 0x00: Connection: 1 0x0b Node 0x0f [Pin Complex] wcaps 0x400181: Stereo Pincap 0x0837: IN OUT Detect Pin Default 0x40f000f2: [N/A] Other at Ext N/A Conn = Unknown, Color = Unknown Pin-ctls: 0x20: IN Connection: 1 0x0b Node 0x10 [Pin Complex] wcaps 0x400181: Stereo Pincap 0x081737: IN OUT Detect Pin Default 0x04a11020: [Jack] Mic at Ext Right Conn = 1/8, Color = Black Pin-ctls: 0x24: IN Connection: 1 0x0b Node 0x11 [Pin Complex] wcaps 0x400104: Mono Amp-Out Amp-Out caps: N/A Amp-Out vals: [0x00] Pincap 0x0810: OUT Pin Default 0x40f000f3: [N/A] Other at Ext N/A Conn = Unknown, Color = Unknown Pin-ctls: 0x00: Connection: 1 0x13 Node 0x12 [Pin Complex] wcaps 0x400001: Stereo Pincap 0x0820: IN Pin Default 0x40f000f4: [N/A] Other at Ext N/A Conn = Unknown, Color = Unknown Pin-ctls: 0x20: IN Node 0x13 [Audio Mixer] wcaps 0x200100: Mono Connection: 1 0x07 Node 0x14 [Beep Generator Widget] wcaps 0x70000c: Mono Amp-Out Amp-Out caps: ofs=0x03, nsteps=0x03, stepsize=0x17, mute=1 Amp-Out vals: [0x00] -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://music.columbia.edu/pipermail/linux-audio-user/attachments/20070117/d4198833/attachment-0001.html From steve at hassard.net Thu Jan 18 00:32:07 2007 From: steve at hassard.net (Stephen Hassard) Date: Fri Jan 19 12:00:13 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Building a new music PC / on-board video suggestions? In-Reply-To: <45AF1358.8090304@westnet.com> References: <45AF1358.8090304@westnet.com> Message-ID: I'd recommend looking at the Antec Take 3 (3U rackmount). http://www.antec.com/us/productDetails.php?ProdID=94003 They're extremely quiet, rack mountable, and use regular hight PCI cards, so that you don't need any screwy riser cards for your motherboard. later, Steve On 1/17/07, Larry Troxler wrote: > > Hey all, it's that wonderful time where I'm picking components for a new > music machine. It would mostly be used at home, but occasionally taken > to rehearsalls and gigs, where it would function as a synthesizer. > > At first I was looking at rackmounts, say 2U, but got a bit concerned > about how quiet they could be made. > > I then found this: > > http://www.antec.com/us/productDetails.php?ProdID=15738 > > It looks super, and has got good reviews with respect to quietness, and > apparently there is a driver for the LCD display, which will come in > handy for using it as a gig synth; I suppose I will look for some sort > of USB button panel that also has Linux support. > > From the dimensions, it seems that it would fit into a 19 inch rack. So > I wonder if I could buy or fashion some brackets so that I could put it > into a rack when needed. > > I would get a single quiet hard drive, and try 64 studio, but this time > I'll remember to set aside a couple of blank partitions in case I want > to try another distro later. > > My main problem is deciding on a motherboard. I've been an AMD fan and > I'm not quite ready yet to go back to Intel, even though I've read that > the new Intel dual core is really giving AMD some competition. And since > that case only fits a micro ATX motherboard, and since it seems like the > AM2 socket is the way to go, it sort of limits my choices. And my main > concern is with the on-board video. I am not interested at all in good > quality video or 3D accel, but instead my priority is to pick a chipset > that provides the least hassle in Linux, and is not disruptive with > real-time operation. > > This is what New Egg has to offer: > > > http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.asp?Submit=ENE&N=2010200022+1070921489+1075707619&Subcategory=22&description=&Ntk=&srchInDesc= > > It looks then, like the video choices are Nvidia GeForce 6100, Nvidia > GeForce 6150, VIA K8M800, VIA K8M890, and ATI Radeon XPress 1150. > > So, if anyone has suggestions on which of these might be best, it would > be nice to hear. > > I could of course throw in an older video card if that turns out to be > better, but I am hoping to avoid that so as not to use up another slot > on the micro ATX board. > > Larry Troxler > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://music.columbia.edu/pipermail/linux-audio-user/attachments/20070117/ade43143/attachment.html From reuben.firmin at gmail.com Sun Jan 14 17:27:26 2007 From: reuben.firmin at gmail.com (reuben firmin) Date: Fri Jan 19 12:00:22 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] asoundrc / multi error -- "Channels count non available" In-Reply-To: <1168807753.9125.60.camel@mindpipe> References: <5d259cb90701131207n3c18fadfyabbef9beba12bc31@mail.gmail.com> <1168807753.9125.60.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: <5d259cb90701141427wfde6c64v7f9ab59f77faec36@mail.gmail.com> On 1/14/07, Lee Revell wrote: > > On Sat, 2007-01-13 at 12:07 -0800, reuben firmin wrote: > > > > The complete asoundrc follows. Testing using aplay -vD XXX myfile.wav, > > where XXX is the pcm name, usb, desktop and default work fine; > > however, multi and ttable both give an error: > > > > aplay: set_params:906: Channels count non available > > > > What does this mean and how can I fix it? > > You can't use the multi plugin this way. The two sound cards will drift > out of sync over time. > > Lee > > Per previous discussion on the list ("multiple soundcards") I don't care if they get out of sync. Does the error mean that alsa won't let me do this because they could get out of sync, or are you saying that the error is irrelevant anyway because of the out of syncitude? If the former, what workarounds are available? If the latter, how do I fix this? Thanks! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://music.columbia.edu/pipermail/linux-audio-user/attachments/20070114/4bd1a5a5/attachment-0001.html From vjaubert at gmail.com Fri Jan 19 06:14:16 2007 From: vjaubert at gmail.com (Vincent Jaubert) Date: Fri Jan 19 12:00:40 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Problem with MPU-401 MIDI Message-ID: Hello, i'm trying to make my midi keyboard work on my ubuntu edgy box. The keyboard is connected by midi through the Game/Midi port of my ASUS P4P800 Motherboard (Intel audio chipset). amidi -l gives me this Device Name hw:1,0 MPU-401 UART MIDI hw:2,0 Audigy MPU-401 (UART) hw:2,1 Audigy MPU-401 #2 hw:2,2 Emu10k1 Synth MIDI (16 subdevices) hw:2,3 Emu10k1 Synth MIDI (16 subdevices) The Game/Midi port is the hw:1,0 MPU-401 UART MIDI. But when i do a cat /dev/snd/midiC1D0 (which does exist), i get an I/O error. When i do a lsmod | grep snd i get this snd_emu10k1_synth 7808 0 snd_emux_synth 37120 1 snd_emu10k1_synth snd_seq_virmidi 7296 1 snd_emux_synth snd_seq_midi_emul 7296 1 snd_emux_synth snd_seq_dummy 4100 0 snd_seq_oss 34304 0 snd_seq_midi 9088 0 snd_seq_midi_event 7808 3 snd_seq_virmidi,snd_seq_oss,snd_seq_midi snd_seq 53360 9 snd_emux_synth,snd_seq_virmidi,snd_seq_midi_emul,snd_seq_dummy,snd_seq_oss,snd_seq_midi,snd_seq_midi_event snd_emu10k1 124576 3 snd_emu10k1_synth snd_util_mem 5120 2 snd_emux_synth,snd_emu10k1 snd_hwdep 9860 2 snd_emux_synth,snd_emu10k1 snd_mpu401 8616 0 snd_mpu401_uart 8704 1 snd_mpu401 snd_intel8x0 33436 0 snd_ac97_codec 96672 2 snd_emu10k1,snd_intel8x0 snd_ac97_bus 2432 1 snd_ac97_codec snd_rawmidi 25600 4 snd_seq_virmidi,snd_seq_midi,snd_emu10k1,snd_mpu401_uart snd_seq_device 8972 8 snd_emu10k1_synth,snd_emux_synth,snd_seq_dummy,snd_seq_oss,snd_seq_midi,snd_seq,snd_emu10k1,snd_rawmidi snd_pcm_oss 46080 0 snd_mixer_oss 18560 1 snd_pcm_oss snd_pcm 80520 5 snd_emu10k1,snd_intel8x0,snd_ac97_codec,snd_pcm_oss snd_timer 23172 3 snd_seq,snd_emu10k1,snd_pcm snd 55428 19 snd_emux_synth,snd_seq_virmidi,snd_seq_oss,snd_seq,snd_emu10k1,snd_hwdep,snd_mpu401,snd_mpu401_uart,snd_intel8x0,snd_ac97_codec,snd_rawmidi,snd_seq_device,snd_pcm_oss,snd_mixer_oss,snd_pcm,snd_timer soundcore 9952 1 snd snd_page_alloc 10504 3 snd_emu10k1,snd_intel8x0,snd_pcm Since the keyboard works under winxp, i think it's more a driver than a hardware problem. Has anybody any idea that could help me ? Thank you in advance. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://music.columbia.edu/pipermail/linux-audio-user/attachments/20070119/913f2b70/attachment.html From bengan at kthnoc.net Fri Jan 19 11:59:15 2007 From: bengan at kthnoc.net (Bengt =?iso-8859-1?q?G=F6rd=E9n?=) Date: Fri Jan 19 12:04:22 2007 Subject: [Consortium] Re: [linux-audio-user] Re: [linux-audio-dev] LAD/LAU/LAA/Consortium/... In-Reply-To: <3c808a150701190254y7a3e4d74o6ea02a9450d814ca@mail.gmail.com> References: <007101c73989$e2fc5940$0202a8c0@64BitBadass> <3c808a150701190251i3fba8826n5c80bc6a8d3ff1c0@mail.gmail.com> <3c808a150701190254y7a3e4d74o6ea02a9450d814ca@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200701191759.20778.bengan@kthnoc.net> fredag 19 januari 2007 11:54 skrev Marc-Olivier Barre: > Now could we get back to the original question and take a decision ? I vote yes. -- - Bengan ------------------------------------------------------------ - KTHNOC - No1 Internet Offspring | http://www.noc.kth.se/~bengan --- - 08-7906586 (ej vidarekopplat), 070-6443325 ------------------------ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://music.columbia.edu/pipermail/linux-audio-user/attachments/20070119/19e49c6e/attachment.bin From markknecht at gmail.com Fri Jan 19 12:17:07 2007 From: markknecht at gmail.com (Mark Knecht) Date: Fri Jan 19 12:20:48 2007 Subject: [Consortium] Re: [linux-audio-user] Re: [linux-audio-dev] LAD/LAU/LAA/Consortium/... In-Reply-To: <200701191759.20778.bengan@kthnoc.net> References: <007101c73989$e2fc5940$0202a8c0@64BitBadass> <3c808a150701190251i3fba8826n5c80bc6a8d3ff1c0@mail.gmail.com> <3c808a150701190254y7a3e4d74o6ea02a9450d814ca@mail.gmail.com> <200701191759.20778.bengan@kthnoc.net> Message-ID: <5bdc1c8b0701190917u27bf78abj8cacfd526b77db2b@mail.gmail.com> On 1/19/07, Bengt G?rd?n wrote: > fredag 19 januari 2007 11:54 skrev Marc-Olivier Barre: > > Now could we get back to the original question and take a decision ? > > I vote yes. > Like others I'm fine with moving the server to another domain as long as there is an honest effrot to keep the service up. This has been a great list. I'd hate to see it get hurt, but I'm pretty confident it won't be. As for the forums thing, I like forums a lot. Granted, I have to make an effort to use them whereas email just arrives. Forums are *far* easier to search and (IMO) far better places for newbies (and oldbies like me) to find info. email lists tend to be hard to search & archived in strange places at times, but they do provide a high degree of immediacy which I think lots of folks like. Coming from the Pro Tools forums, and considering the subject matter, I probably would have prefered the last 6 years of me being around LAU be in a forum. As for changing it's not likely that we'd ever get the same crowd of folks makign contributions which is what the important thing really is. By the way - one negative thing about email lists is that my response will not be seen by everyone who saw what I'm replying to since I'm not subscribed to all the lists on this email. - Mark From nickmurtagh at gmail.com Fri Jan 19 12:29:34 2007 From: nickmurtagh at gmail.com (Nick Murtagh) Date: Fri Jan 19 12:30:28 2007 Subject: [Consortium] Re: [linux-audio-user] Re: [linux-audio-dev] LAD/LAU/LAA/Consortium/... In-Reply-To: <5bdc1c8b0701190917u27bf78abj8cacfd526b77db2b@mail.gmail.com> References: <007101c73989$e2fc5940$0202a8c0@64BitBadass> <3c808a150701190251i3fba8826n5c80bc6a8d3ff1c0@mail.gmail.com> <3c808a150701190254y7a3e4d74o6ea02a9450d814ca@mail.gmail.com> <200701191759.20778.bengan@kthnoc.net> <5bdc1c8b0701190917u27bf78abj8cacfd526b77db2b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <9768a1c60701190929x213062c5id7e7a03bd90958a@mail.gmail.com> On 1/19/07, Mark Knecht wrote: > As for the forums thing, I like forums a lot. Granted, I have to make > an effort to use them whereas email just arrives. Forums are *far* > easier to search and (IMO) far better places for newbies (and oldbies > like me) to find info. email lists tend to be hard to search & > archived in strange places at times, but they do provide a high degree > of immediacy which I think lots of folks like. Why not move to a google group? You can opt to recieve emails if you want or just use it through the web (sort of like a forum). From mobarre at gmail.com Fri Jan 19 12:32:42 2007 From: mobarre at gmail.com (Marc-Olivier Barre) Date: Fri Jan 19 12:34:18 2007 Subject: [Consortium] Re: [linux-audio-user] Re: [linux-audio-dev] LAD/LAU/LAA/Consortium/... In-Reply-To: <5bdc1c8b0701190917u27bf78abj8cacfd526b77db2b@mail.gmail.com> References: <007101c73989$e2fc5940$0202a8c0@64BitBadass> <3c808a150701190251i3fba8826n5c80bc6a8d3ff1c0@mail.gmail.com> <3c808a150701190254y7a3e4d74o6ea02a9450d814ca@mail.gmail.com> <200701191759.20778.bengan@kthnoc.net> <5bdc1c8b0701190917u27bf78abj8cacfd526b77db2b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <3c808a150701190932x6eff0fcbpacae9c931f073d5b@mail.gmail.com> On 1/19/07, Mark Knecht wrote: > > By the way - one negative thing about email lists is that my response > will not be seen by everyone who saw what I'm replying to since I'm > not subscribed to all the lists on this email. > Wrong, if a non member posts on the list, it's my job to review the message and accept it if it's not spam and for LAA if and only if it's an announcement. __________________ Marc-Olivier Barre, Markinoko. From dlphillips at woh.rr.com Fri Jan 19 12:58:01 2007 From: dlphillips at woh.rr.com (Dave Phillips) Date: Fri Jan 19 12:44:01 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Best possible PCI-Express video card for DAW In-Reply-To: References: <20070115061718.4D6225B59FA6@music.columbia.edu> <200701151121.21839.njcross@sbcglobal.net> <20070115144602.3f8y4tqq888kwggw@markehle.net> Message-ID: <45B106A9.8000504@woh.rr.com> Greetings: I've had some interesting experience with video cards lately. My GigaByte mobo does have integrated video (nVidia) but for some reason it didn't work with either nVidia's proprietary driver or the kernel nv module. It worked in Vesa mode, but that kinda sucked so I ordered a PCIe card with an nVidia 7300 chipset. The card was fine at first, but after a week or so it started delivering a constantly shaky display. I sent it back to Newegg, but I needed something right away so I purchased a PNY 7300GS-based card from Staples. This card was fine too, and it's still in the machine. However, I quickly realized that its fan noise was unacceptable, and I'm now awaiting my third card for this machine, a fanless GigaByte 7600GS card. Be forewarned, the noise from video card fans can be intense. You can choose to replace the stock fan, but it's a non-trivial procedure. Me, I'm done mucking around with hardware at that level. Fortunately I can put one of my extra cards to work in another machine, one that doesn't need to be so quiet. The other one can wait in a pile in the corner along with other stuff slowly shaping itself into yet another machine. :) Best, dp From zettberlin at linuxuse.de Fri Jan 19 12:49:57 2007 From: zettberlin at linuxuse.de (Hartmut Noack) Date: Fri Jan 19 12:50:14 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Exporting Muse tracks to an audio file In-Reply-To: <20070119160330.GA18305@localhost> References: <45B0A1F3.3030908@netscape.net> <45B0CA59.4000104@linuxuse.de> <20070119160330.GA18305@localhost> Message-ID: <45B104C5.8050800@linuxuse.de> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Yves Potin schrieb: > Le 19 Jan ? 14:40, Hartmut Noack ecrivait: >> of course you can record the output of H2, Specimen etc. DIRECTLY in >> Muse also! Well that should be in perfect sync then anyway ;-) > > Why ? because you record in the very same application that plays the sequence, you want to record maybe? Of course, there will be some latency-offset - as with any recording from application to disk on any computer with any hardware under any system. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.3 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFFsQTE1Aecwva1SWMRAlVNAKCD/hOcprK3FCjNJulRA7K7Jqmx3gCgiZXO 3d7DRhsmInuD+b0S1S2c8JA= =AUBS -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From markknecht at gmail.com Fri Jan 19 12:51:17 2007 From: markknecht at gmail.com (Mark Knecht) Date: Fri Jan 19 12:52:10 2007 Subject: [Consortium] Re: [linux-audio-user] Re: [linux-audio-dev] LAD/LAU/LAA/Consortium/... In-Reply-To: <3c808a150701190932x6eff0fcbpacae9c931f073d5b@mail.gmail.com> References: <007101c73989$e2fc5940$0202a8c0@64BitBadass> <3c808a150701190251i3fba8826n5c80bc6a8d3ff1c0@mail.gmail.com> <3c808a150701190254y7a3e4d74o6ea02a9450d814ca@mail.gmail.com> <200701191759.20778.bengan@kthnoc.net> <5bdc1c8b0701190917u27bf78abj8cacfd526b77db2b@mail.gmail.com> <3c808a150701190932x6eff0fcbpacae9c931f073d5b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <5bdc1c8b0701190951w513f2d42ud032e0b3a7f4cf1e@mail.gmail.com> Marc-Olivier, Please see the quote below. The response has these two addresses: consortium@lists.linuxaudio.org linux-audio-dev@music.columbia.edu I was celarly prohibited form responding to the second. I'm not even sure what the first one is but I am not a consortium@lists.linuxaudio.org subscriber so before responding I would have to assume my response would be trashed. Anyway, not a big deal. I'm just making the point that often with email lists people start adding other desitinations that some are not subscribed to. That doesn't work and isn't an issue with forums. Again, please don't confuse this point with whether I would user lists or forums. They are both great if the community participate and useless if the community does not. - Mark On 1/19/07, Marc-Olivier Barre wrote: > On 1/19/07, Mark Knecht wrote: > > > > By the way - one negative thing about email lists is that my response > > will not be seen by everyone who saw what I'm replying to since I'm > > not subscribed to all the lists on this email. > > > > Wrong, if a non member posts on the list, it's my job to review the > message and accept it if it's not spam and for LAA if and only if it's > an announcement. > __________________ > Marc-Olivier Barre, > Markinoko. > "linux-audio-dev-owner@music.columbia.edu" to me show details 9:20 am (26 minutes ago) You are not allowed to post to this mailing list, and your message has been automatically rejected. If you think that your messages are being rejected in error, contact the mailing list owner at linux-audio-dev-owner@music.columbia.edu. From cladisch at fastmail.net Fri Jan 19 13:02:58 2007 From: cladisch at fastmail.net (Clemens Ladisch) Date: Fri Jan 19 13:05:32 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Problem with MPU-401 MIDI In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1169229778.14229.1170145401@webmail.messagingengine.com> Vincent Jaubert wrote: > Hello, i'm trying to make my midi keyboard work on my ubuntu edgy box. > The keyboard is connected by midi through the Game/Midi port of my ASUS > P4P800 Motherboard (Intel audio chipset). > > > The Game/Midi port is the hw:1,0 MPU-401 UART MIDI. > But when i do a cat /dev/snd/midiC1D0 (which does exist), i get an I/O > error. Any error message in the system log when you do this? Do amidi and/or aseqdump work? Regards, Clemens From contact at leonard-ritter.com Fri Jan 19 13:35:54 2007 From: contact at leonard-ritter.com (Leonard Ritter) Date: Fri Jan 19 13:57:12 2007 Subject: [Consortium] Re: [linux-audio-user] Re: [linux-audio-dev] LAD/LAU/LAA/Consortium/... In-Reply-To: <200701191759.20778.bengan@kthnoc.net> References: <007101c73989$e2fc5940$0202a8c0@64BitBadass> <3c808a150701190251i3fba8826n5c80bc6a8d3ff1c0@mail.gmail.com> <3c808a150701190254y7a3e4d74o6ea02a9450d814ca@mail.gmail.com> <200701191759.20778.bengan@kthnoc.net> Message-ID: <1169231754.5593.52.camel@localhost> me too. On Fri, 2007-01-19 at 17:59 +0100, Bengt G?rd?n wrote: > fredag 19 januari 2007 11:54 skrev Marc-Olivier Barre: > > Now could we get back to the original question and take a decision ? > > I vote yes. > > -- Leonard Ritter -- Freelance Art & Logic -- http://www.leonard-ritter.com From yves at jazzcomputer.org Fri Jan 19 13:59:58 2007 From: yves at jazzcomputer.org (Yves Potin) Date: Fri Jan 19 14:12:16 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Exporting Muse tracks to an audio file In-Reply-To: <45B104C5.8050800@linuxuse.de> References: <45B0A1F3.3030908@netscape.net> <45B0CA59.4000104@linuxuse.de> <20070119160330.GA18305@localhost> <45B104C5.8050800@linuxuse.de> Message-ID: <20070119185958.GB18305@localhost> Le 19 Jan ? 18:49, Hartmut Noack ecrivait: > because you record in the very same application that plays the sequence, > you want to record maybe? > Of course, there will be some latency-offset - as with any recording > from application to disk on any computer with any hardware under any system. I understand, of course, but in this case what's the use of the real time, low latency system we are all concerned about ? I always believed that an offset in this case could be considered negligible. Y. From hitmuri at no-log.org Fri Jan 19 15:09:27 2007 From: hitmuri at no-log.org (hitmuri@no-log.org) Date: Fri Jan 19 15:09:45 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Problem with jack-rack and ladspa compressors plugins Message-ID: <52566.AQIGDV1bXXg=.1169237367.squirrel@webmail.no-log.org> Hi everyone, I'm trying to use ladspa compressors plugins in jack-rack, in order to compress the snares and the kicks coming from my sampler. I tried the SC4 plugin and the CAPS compressor. Actually,I have the same problem with both of them. This is what i do: I set the compressor parameters in jack-rack (in order to have a "BIG" sound !!! ) and i save the .rack file. But when i restart jack-rack with this rack, the sound isn't processed at first, i need to tweak all the sliders one by one to make it compress the sound again. Am i missing something ? Does anyone have the same problem ? Thanks Flo From b0ef at esben-stien.name Fri Jan 19 17:03:22 2007 From: b0ef at esben-stien.name (Esben Stien) Date: Fri Jan 19 15:15:13 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] East To West In-Reply-To: <20070117221954.5da430d3@localhost> (folderol@ukfsn.org's message of "Wed, 17 Jan 2007 22:19:54 +0000") References: <20070117221954.5da430d3@localhost> Message-ID: <87vej265ed.fsf@esben-stien.name> Folderol writes: > I hope you like it. I really like these kinds of themes;). It's a traditional melody, right? -- Esben Stien is b0ef@e s a http://www. s t n m irc://irc. b - i . e/%23contact sip:b0ef@ e e jid:b0ef@ n n From sandysj at juno.com Fri Jan 19 15:57:33 2007 From: sandysj at juno.com (Jeff Sandys) Date: Fri Jan 19 15:59:48 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] M-Audio Ozonic and FreeBob Message-ID: <20070119.125828.29474.1711949@webmail26.nyc.untd.com> Pieter Palmers wrote: > Jeff Sandys wrote: > > Has anyone tried to use an M-Audio Ozonic firewire keyboard > > and audio I/O with FreeBob? If so, have you tried the Enigma > > editor with Wine to load and save settings? > I haven't tried it, but I can say with 99% confidence that this > Enigma editor won't work. It might run on Wine, but it won't > find the Ozonic. Thanks for the reply, Pieter, that is kind of what I thought. Do you know if M-Audio has published the API for Enigma-Ozonic setup loads and saves? or, Do you know of a Windows Firewire listener/sniffer that will let me monitor the Enigma-Ozonic firewire transactions? and, Is there a c/c++ routine that I can use Python and SWIG to build an Enigma like application in Linux? (Enigma saves the settings in an XML file) or, Is M-Audio Linux friendly enough to build a Linux version of Enigma, (they have Windows, Mac ppc and intel versions). Thanks, Jeff ________________________________________________________________________ Interested in getting caught up on today's news? Click here to checkout USA TODAY Headlines. http://track.juno.com/s/lc?s=198954&u=http://www.usatoday.com/news/front.htm?csp=24 From HomeTheater at feline-soul.com Fri Jan 19 16:23:06 2007 From: HomeTheater at feline-soul.com (Bearcat M. Sandor) Date: Fri Jan 19 16:28:32 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Multi-channel audio with a computer front end In-Reply-To: <45B1074C.1050807@joow.be> References: <200701141502.37942.HomeTheater@feline-soul.com> <45B1074C.1050807@joow.be> Message-ID: <1183.216.47.50.28.1169241786.squirrel@webmail.feline-soul.net> Thanks Pieter. I think i've found a solution that does not involve freebob, but i look forward to further advancements in it. Bearcat > Bearcat M. Sandor wrote: > >> >> So, is a firewire device like the Apogee Rosetta 800 a solution? Will a >> linux >> movie player using xine or gstreamer be able to send the correct >> channels of >> the Dolby Digital/DTS to the individual channels on a multi-channel pro >> device? >> >> This all assumes that Freebob (the firewire driver) works as advertised. >> >> I realize i can just send a dolby digital/DTS signal to the Transporter >> and >> then on to a pre/pro but that adds another link in the chain. > > Note that the 'Advertised' functionality of the current freebob driver > does not contain AC3/DTS pass through. > > > Pieter > FreeBoB developer > > From zettberlin at linuxuse.de Fri Jan 19 16:24:24 2007 From: zettberlin at linuxuse.de (Hartmut Noack) Date: Fri Jan 19 16:29:55 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Exporting Muse tracks to an audio file In-Reply-To: <20070119185958.GB18305@localhost> References: <45B0A1F3.3030908@netscape.net> <45B0CA59.4000104@linuxuse.de> <20070119160330.GA18305@localhost> <45B104C5.8050800@linuxuse.de> <20070119185958.GB18305@localhost> Message-ID: <45B13708.1070805@linuxuse.de> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Yves Potin schrieb: > I understand, of course, but in this case what's the use of the > real time, low latency system we are all concerned about ? agreed, realtime is not needed for composing with a matrixeditor for a sequencer playing synths. > I always > believed that an offset in this case could be considered negligible. Not completely (even a single millisecond delay can cause listenable phasing if two sources play the same sequence with the same sound) but in all sane realworld usage-scenarios such offset should not be an issue. BUT: If you actually want to record a recently played sequence to a WAV-file, you will want a method, that starts the recording automagically as the sequence starts playing, because you want WAV-Files that can easily be cut for loops. So to have the possibility to start the sequence and the recording at exactly the same moment (e.g. synchronized), can be quite usefull. z -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.3 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFFsTcI1Aecwva1SWMRAhuiAJ9uYuAk4v7YrRFALnISwjSoTTpldACfb/lm +/JZZ5zQFJafxqpALpjXZOg= =lFEP -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From capocasa at gmx.net Fri Jan 19 17:09:32 2007 From: capocasa at gmx.net (Carlo Capocasa) Date: Fri Jan 19 17:10:23 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Please help me tune Jack (with Freebob, improving on the ASork distribution) In-Reply-To: References: <200701190307.50751.mista.tapas@gmx.net> Message-ID: Carlo Capocasa wrote: >> Have you tuned your irq setup? >> >> Read my little page on the subject >> >> http://tapas.affenbande.org/wordpress/?page_id=40 > > Thanks Florian, very helpful. Apparently, my ohci1394 device is sharing > interrupts with my internal sound card, my internal modem's sound > device, my Ethernet card, my USB stick, and an unidentified device. I > just asked on the Freebob list how to make ohci1394 use a dedicated > interrupt (or share it with an unused device like ide2 in my case), > maybe you can help as well? > > Carlo OK checking with Klaus from the Freebob list, apparently there is no way to switch interrupts. Bummer. But I guess if I'd disconnect the hardware sharing it (eth0, USB devices) and raise the priority of IRQ 10 I ought to get spectactular performance even on the hardware I have. The catch is, I found no process for the individual IRQs, only something I Googled to find to be a 'software IRQ daemon'. You wouldn't happen to know how to set the scheduling priority for these? Thanks Florian Carlo From mle+la at mega-nerd.com Fri Jan 19 17:38:19 2007 From: mle+la at mega-nerd.com (Erik de Castro Lopo) Date: Fri Jan 19 17:38:32 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] sample rate question In-Reply-To: <20070118233919.GB791@jdboyd> References: <200701170256.l0H2u6u01154@localhost.localdomain> <45AE748B.9030806@tobiah.org> <20070118233919.GB791@jdboyd> Message-ID: <20070120093819.5dca2ed7.mle+la@mega-nerd.com> Joshua Boyd wrote: > Another option would be 88.2. Better quality that CD, but an even > multiple with might reduce down sampling artifacts. If you are using libsamplerate for downsamping, there will be no discernable difference when doing 96k -> 44.2k as opposed to 88.2k -> 44.1k. Erik -- +-----------------------------------------------------------+ Erik de Castro Lopo +-----------------------------------------------------------+ "Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as when they do it from religious conviction." -- Blaise Pascal, mathematician, 1670 From esa.linna at kolumbus.fi Fri Jan 19 17:44:16 2007 From: esa.linna at kolumbus.fi (Esa Linna) Date: Fri Jan 19 17:42:07 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Music : Marshall In-Reply-To: <45ADA50E.30601@inwa.net> References: <45AC105D.3060700@kolumbus.fi> <1168915701.22293.10.camel@eviltwin> <45ADA50E.30601@inwa.net> Message-ID: <45B149C0.6070502@kolumbus.fi> sevol kirjoitti: > The Heaven's Gate Crew, particularly Marshall, applaud you from the > stars & suggest there is no "final mix" :-) That's right. Let's call it "the one that got away"- mix! From esa.linna at kolumbus.fi Fri Jan 19 17:47:43 2007 From: esa.linna at kolumbus.fi (Esa Linna) Date: Fri Jan 19 17:48:18 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Music : Marshall In-Reply-To: <20070117195514.24a2d34d@localhost> References: <45AC105D.3060700@kolumbus.fi> <20070117195514.24a2d34d@localhost> Message-ID: <45B14A8F.7080601@kolumbus.fi> Folderol kirjoitti: > Has a very retro feel to it. Reminds me of the small bands in the > 1960s working small venues around England. > > I would think that's feel worth hanging on to, so don't suggest much > change. > > Hey, I think you are absolutely right. Some vocal parts could be better but I like the overall sound myself too. When it's recorded in garage, it should sound garage. From esa.linna at kolumbus.fi Fri Jan 19 17:51:19 2007 From: esa.linna at kolumbus.fi (Esa Linna) Date: Fri Jan 19 17:52:37 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Music : Marshall In-Reply-To: References: <45AC105D.3060700@kolumbus.fi> <20070117195514.24a2d34d@localhost> Message-ID: <45B14B67.8050304@kolumbus.fi> Bruno Gola kirjoitti: > Hi esa > > this sound is very nice! i'm listening to other songs in your home > page and that's a good work. > > Can you (or the others :]) suggest any website where i can start > reading about producing using linux (or in general) ? I'm starting and > i have some doubts (for exemple, the best way/apps to record voice in > ardour, plugins to use etc). Thanks a lot. I think this Ron Parker's guide could help in the beginning: http://multitrack.us/jam/c237.htm#building-mix From capocasa at gmx.net Fri Jan 19 20:09:31 2007 From: capocasa at gmx.net (Carlo Capocasa) Date: Fri Jan 19 20:11:13 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Tuning Jack: Please help me prioritize IRQ 10 Message-ID: Hi all! Florian Schmidt was kind enought to point out that I can increase my system performance by increasing the priority of both the Jack daemon and the IRQ that my trusty'ol bebob device is hitched to. I temporarily gave up on putting the device onto another IRQ and will leaving that up to the kernel developers to sort out; what I am interested in right now is how to increase the priority of IRQ 10 on my system. Florian suggested simply increasing the priority of the 'IRQ 10' interrupt handling process; but on my system, there is no interrupt handling process 'IRQ 10', or for any other IRQ, for that matter. How can I increase the priority of 'IRQ 10' on my Debian based system? Help much appreciated. Carlo PS: upping JackD priority alone took care of 60% of xruns; thanks Florian! From rncbc at rncbc.org Fri Jan 19 21:05:41 2007 From: rncbc at rncbc.org (Rui Nuno Capela) Date: Fri Jan 19 20:59:19 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Tuning Jack: Please help me prioritize IRQ 10 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <45B178F5.4050801@rncbc.org> Carlo Capocasa wrote: > Hi all! > > Florian Schmidt was kind enought to point out that I can increase my > system performance by increasing the priority of both the Jack daemon > and the IRQ that my trusty'ol bebob device is hitched to. > > I temporarily gave up on putting the device onto another IRQ and will > leaving that up to the kernel developers to sort out; what I am > interested in right now is how to increase the priority of IRQ 10 on my > system. > > Florian suggested simply increasing the priority of the 'IRQ 10' > interrupt handling process; but on my system, there is no interrupt > handling process 'IRQ 10', or for any other IRQ, for that matter. > > How can I increase the priority of 'IRQ 10' on my Debian based system? > > Help much appreciated. > > Carlo > > PS: upping JackD priority alone took care of 60% of xruns; thanks Florian! Did you try using the rtirq script? You can find it on my home server, here http://www.rncbc.org/jack/rtirq-20070101.tar.gz I guess you can follow the instructions found on Florian's web page, and specific for your firewire setup (e.g. substitute "usb" by "ohci1394" on RTIRQ_NAME_LIST configuration setting). Ah, installation assumes a LSB distro and it probably needs change for your particular case. Feel free to ask if you get puzzled :) Cheers. -- rncbc aka Rui Nuno Capela rncbc@rncbc.org From rlrevell at joe-job.com Fri Jan 19 22:10:20 2007 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Fri Jan 19 22:10:46 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Tuning Jack: Please help me prioritize IRQ 10 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <75b66ecd0701191910g21c787c3nefe4a21db7188eb3@mail.gmail.com> On 1/19/07, Carlo Capocasa wrote: > I temporarily gave up on putting the device onto another IRQ and will > leaving that up to the kernel developers to sort out; Shared IRQs are a property of the hardware. There's nothing the kernel can do about it. > what I am > interested in right now is how to increase the priority of IRQ 10 on my > system. > > Florian suggested simply increasing the priority of the 'IRQ 10' > interrupt handling process; but on my system, there is no interrupt > handling process 'IRQ 10', or for any other IRQ, for that matter. Are you sure you are running the -rt kernel? What is the output of 'uname -r' and 'ps auxww | grep IRQ'? Lee From hhj at musikcheck.dk Sat Jan 20 02:57:58 2007 From: hhj at musikcheck.dk (Hasse Hagen Johansen) Date: Sat Jan 20 02:58:21 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Cheap USB "soundcards" (resending. Now with subject) In-Reply-To: (Carlo Capocasa's message of "Fri, 19 Jan 2007 16:01:58 +0000") References: <20070119081038.23550.qmail@hagen-johansen.dk> Message-ID: <87zm8e2kqh.fsf@musikcheck.dk> >>>>> "Carlo" == Carlo Capocasa writes: Carlo> I would generally recommend firewire cards at the moment Carlo> since I have the feeling you might at some point use the Carlo> same device to start doing something that requires low Carlo> latency with your device. Carlo> I am currently in the process of testing a freebob-based Carlo> workstation to the point of using it on the road as an Carlo> instrument, and I am fairly confident low latency firewire Carlo> audio will be a reality soon, especially with the excellent Carlo> work Peter and the freebob folks are doing. Carlo> Personally I use a Roland FA-101, which also has a 'little Carlo> brother', the Roland FA-66. Hi Carlo Thanks for the info. I didn't realise that I could use firewire cards on linux, but I can see the picture has changed a little bit since the last time I read this list :-) They look quite nice those Roland firewire cards Regards Hasse H. Johansen From linuxmedia4 at netscape.net Sat Jan 20 03:09:11 2007 From: linuxmedia4 at netscape.net (linuxmedia4@netscape.net) Date: Sat Jan 20 03:08:34 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Were's the weak link? Message-ID: <45B1CE27.1000903@netscape.net> Hi, I installed the Indigo IO card on my FC5/CCRMA system. I've done everything I could think (or was suggested) to optimize my system to allow for smooth, uninterrupted recording, including buying a 7200rpm drive, tunning my hard disk, trying different 'Frames/Period' and 'Periods/Buffer' settings in qjackctl. My BIOS dosen't allow for reordering of IRQs, so I disabled any peripheral that I absolutly could do without, but I'm still having problems. I'm running ecasound and jackd (both with realtime priorities). When recording or in playback, sometimes I hear disruptions, but they don't always end up in the actual recording. But there are *always* a few noticeable pops, clicks or even loss of data in the actual recorded audio files. Can anyone spot where the "weak link" is in my system. I put in this post (what I believe) is the most relevant information... My system... Dell Precision M50 laptop 2 GHz Processor 1 Gig Ram 2.6.16-1.2080.16.rrt.rhfc5.ccrma 7200rpm hard drive 'cat /proc/interrupts' (before disabling peripherals) shows: 0: 3945911 XT-PIC [........N/ 0] pit 1: 2898 XT-PIC [........./ 6] i8042 2: 0 XT-PIC [........N/ 0] cascade 5: 16931 XT-PIC [........./ 0] Intel 82801CA-ICH3 Modem, Intel 82801CA-ICH3 7: 4 XT-PIC [..P....../ 0] parport0 8: 1 XT-PIC [........./ 0] rtc 9: 2 XT-PIC [........./ 0] acpi 11: 8900 XT-PIC [........./ 0] yenta, yenta, yenta, pcmcia2.0, Indigo IO, uhci_hcd:usb1, uhci_hcd:usb2, ohci1394 12: 78714 XT-PIC [........./ 6] i8042 14: 74419 XT-PIC [........./ 1] ide0 NMI: 0 LOC: 0 ERR: 0 MIS: 0 '/sbin/hdparm /dev/hda' shows... multcount = 16 (on) IO_support = 3 (32-bit w/sync) unmaskirq = 0 (off) using_dma = 1 (on) keepsettings = 0 (off) readonly = 0 (off) readahead = 256 (on) geometry = 16383/255/63, sectors = 117210240, start = 0 (3 reads of) 'hdparm -Tt /dev/hda'... /dev/hda: Timing cached reads: 1368 MB in 2.00 seconds = 683.60 MB/sec Timing buffered disk reads: 112 MB in 3.03 seconds = 36.93 MB/sec /dev/hda: Timing cached reads: 1368 MB in 2.00 seconds = 682.87 MB/sec Timing buffered disk reads: 120 MB in 3.02 seconds = 39.68 MB/sec /dev/hda: Timing cached reads: 1368 MB in 2.00 seconds = 683.64 MB/sec Timing buffered disk reads: 120 MB in 3.02 seconds = 39.75 MB/sec Thanks, Rocco From atte.jensen at gmail.com Sat Jan 20 04:09:08 2007 From: atte.jensen at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Atte_Andr=E9_Jensen?=) Date: Sat Jan 20 04:09:23 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Tuning Jack: Please help me prioritize IRQ 10 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <45B1DC34.90208@gmail.com> Carlo Capocasa wrote: > Help much appreciated. So you get a xrun every minute or so? Did you make sure you disabled any cpu frequency modifying processes (powernowd for instance)? And as someone else mentioned, you are on a low latency kernel, right? What's the output of uname -r? I think you should try shutting down services (on debian "sudo /etc/init.d/some-service-thats-not-crucial stop") you don't need, including webservers, mysql, cronjobs, network, powersaving, etc. Do is systematically one at the time, while checking if your problem goes away or at least gets better. When you found out which service(s) is trigging the problem you can probably look at the whole system setup (incl interrupts) again and figure out exactly what causes the trouble. With a bit of luck you can then fix the real problem and enable the service(s) again and be fine. -- peace, love & harmony Atte http://www.atte.dk | quintet: http://www.anagrammer.dk | compositions: http://www.atte.dk/compositions From rob at curates-egg.org Sat Jan 20 04:55:21 2007 From: rob at curates-egg.org (rob) Date: Sat Jan 20 04:55:54 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Were's the weak link? In-Reply-To: <45B1CE27.1000903@netscape.net> References: <45B1CE27.1000903@netscape.net> Message-ID: <45B1E709.4010200@curates-egg.org> linuxmedia4@netscape.net wrote: > 9: 2 XT-PIC [........./ 0] acpi Did you try turning acpi off? R From pieterp at joow.be Sat Jan 20 09:05:54 2007 From: pieterp at joow.be (Pieter Palmers) Date: Sat Jan 20 05:06:02 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] M-Audio Ozonic and FreeBob In-Reply-To: <20070119.125828.29474.1711949@webmail26.nyc.untd.com> References: <20070119.125828.29474.1711949@webmail26.nyc.untd.com> Message-ID: <45B221C2.5000604@joow.be> Jeff Sandys wrote: > Pieter Palmers wrote: >> Jeff Sandys wrote: >>> Has anyone tried to use an M-Audio Ozonic firewire keyboard >>> and audio I/O with FreeBob? If so, have you tried the Enigma >>> editor with Wine to load and save settings? >> I haven't tried it, but I can say with 99% confidence that this >> Enigma editor won't work. It might run on Wine, but it won't >> find the Ozonic. > > Thanks for the reply, Pieter, that is kind of what I thought. > > Do you know if M-Audio has published the API for Enigma-Ozonic > setup loads and saves? AFAIK they didn't publish an API. > or, > Do you know of a Windows Firewire listener/sniffer that will let > me monitor the Enigma-Ozonic firewire transactions? Sure, but that incorporates special hardware, because the normal OHCI cards cannot be put into a sniffing mode. You need either special hardware (expensive) or a PCILynx based card (not cheap either). > and, > Is there a c/c++ routine that I can use Python and SWIG to build > an Enigma like application in Linux? (Enigma saves the settings > in an XML file) I don't understand what you mean. > or, > Is M-Audio Linux friendly enough to build a Linux version of > Enigma, (they have Windows, Mac ppc and intel versions). I don't think they will put any effort in linux support, apart from maybe supplying us (FreeBoB) with the information needed so that we can implement support. I think you can summarize M-Audio's stance towards Linux as 'not hostile but not prepared to invest time'. Pieter From Thierry.Coduys at la-kitchen.fr Sat Jan 20 05:15:30 2007 From: Thierry.Coduys at la-kitchen.fr (Thierry Coduys) Date: Sat Jan 20 05:17:01 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [Announce] IanniX 0.639b online Message-ID: <97CCCE96-D3BD-4AB2-A79C-B221A30BECC1@la-kitchen.fr> Hi IanniX 0.639b is now online with new examples : http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=174402 Any feedback, comment, bug report, etc, would be greatly appreciated and can be posted to the following mailing-list: https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/iannix-discussion The IanniX Team. From v2 at iki.fi Sat Jan 20 05:37:39 2007 From: v2 at iki.fi (Sampo Savolainen) Date: Sat Jan 20 05:37:52 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Intel HDA( SigmaTel STAC9200) and JACK In-Reply-To: <8f020f940701171309y41ef222eh8f30d8db26afd14e@mail.gmail.com> References: <8f020f940701171309y41ef222eh8f30d8db26afd14e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1169289459.5743.0.camel@mustis> On Wed, 2007-01-17 at 15:09 -0600, William Voorhees wrote: > Basic sound playback works fine, When trying to run JACK I get > incredible amounts of xruns at any setting(including RT enabled). This > appears to be the same problem here: > http://lalists.stanford.edu/lau/2006/06/0269.html. I contact Ian and > has yet to reach any kind of resolution, I'm wondering if anyone has > any ideas at this point? This should help http://article.gmane.org/gmane.comp.audio.ardour.user/5574 Sampo From fbar at footils.org Sat Jan 20 05:40:47 2007 From: fbar at footils.org (Frank Barknecht) Date: Sat Jan 20 05:41:14 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Cheap USB "soundcards" (resending. Now with subject) In-Reply-To: References: <20070119081038.23550.qmail@hagen-johansen.dk> Message-ID: <20070120104047.GE29029@fliwatut.scifi> Hallo, Carlo Capocasa hat gesagt: // Carlo Capocasa wrote: > I would generally recommend firewire cards at the moment since I have > the feeling you might at some point use the same device to start doing > something that requires low latency with your device. But there are no cheap FW cards out there at all, except the Behringer, which isn't supported AFAIK. And latency numbers are irrelevant when listening to music. Plus: Most laptops only have firewire connectors that cannot be used to power the FW soundcard, so you cannot use it without an external power supply. > Hasse Hagen Johansen wrote: > > Sorry forgot the subject in the last mail > > Hi > > I am looking at usb soundcards for listening to music on my > > laptop. Right now I got down to three candidates: > > - Terratec Aureon 5.1 USB MKII > > Pros: Cheap.Have both TOSLINK in/out > > Cons: "Only" 16bit up to 48KHz Nice card, dead easy to set up and will play MP3s with acceptable quality (you won't get 24bit/96kHz out of "CD-quality" music anyways, so if listening to that kind of music is your priority, those higher output formats aren't of much use to you). Has 6-channel output so you can even use it for DJing with Mixxx etc. The internal adc/dac is only operating at 20bits, though. I have used the card on stage, but I've upgraded to the Terratec Phase26 by now which has better sound quality because of better converters. However I think the Aureon has a really good price/performance+features ratio that is very hard to beat. Ciao -- Frank Barknecht _ ______footils.org_ __goto10.org__ From nico at tekNico.net Sat Jan 20 06:19:09 2007 From: nico at tekNico.net (Nicola Larosa) Date: Sat Jan 20 06:19:42 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Cheap USB "soundcards" (resending. Now with subject) In-Reply-To: <20070120104047.GE29029@fliwatut.scifi> References: <20070119081038.23550.qmail@hagen-johansen.dk> <20070120104047.GE29029@fliwatut.scifi> Message-ID: >> Hasse Hagen Johansen wrote: >>> - Terratec Aureon 5.1 USB MKII Frank Barknecht wrote: > Nice card, dead easy to set up It works natively on Linux, but has strangely switched Rear, Center and LFE channels. I also lowered the front channels somewhat, and ended up with the following asound.conf: # Terratec Aureon USB 5.1 MKII - software mixed, multiple access # in output only pcm.dmix51 { type dmix ipc_key 12347 slave { pcm "hw:2,0" channels 6 } } pcm.aureon { type route slave.pcm "dmix51" slave.channels 6 # Front Left ttable.0.0 0.7 # Front Right ttable.1.1 0.7 # Rear Left ttable.2.4 1.0 # Rear Right ttable.3.5 1.0 # Center ttable.4.2 1.0 # LFE ttable.5.3 1.0 } ctl.aureon { type hw card 2 } > I think the Aureon has a really good > price/performance+features ratio that is very hard to beat. Right, got mine on eBay for a song, and it has been working flawlessly for hearing music and watching 5.1 movies. -- Nicola Larosa - http://www.tekNico.net/ The wealthiest individuals are neither the cleverest, the most creative, or the nicest people to spend time with. Career success does not guarantee happiness. We all know this. So why do people sacrifice their leisure, their health, their ability to be creative, and their relation- ships purely in order to earn more money? -- Carmine Coyote, June 2006 From hhj at musikcheck.dk Sat Jan 20 07:06:39 2007 From: hhj at musikcheck.dk (Hasse Hagen Johansen) Date: Sat Jan 20 07:06:55 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Cheap USB "soundcards" (resending. Now with subject) In-Reply-To: <20070120104047.GE29029@fliwatut.scifi> (Frank Barknecht's message of "Sat, 20 Jan 2007 11:40:47 +0100") References: <20070119081038.23550.qmail@hagen-johansen.dk> <20070120104047.GE29029@fliwatut.scifi> Message-ID: <87hcullx68.fsf@musikcheck.dk> >>>>> "Frank" == Frank Barknecht writes: Hi Frank Frank> Hallo, Frank> Carlo Capocasa hat gesagt: // Carlo Capocasa wrote: >> I would generally recommend firewire cards at the moment since >> I have the feeling you might at some point use the same device >> to start doing something that requires low latency with your >> device. Frank> But there are no cheap FW cards out there at all, except Frank> the Behringer, which isn't supported AFAIK. And latency Frank> numbers are irrelevant when listening to music. Plus: Most Frank> laptops only have firewire connectors that cannot be used Frank> to power the FW soundcard, so you cannot use it without an Frank> external power supply. Yes. They are much more expensive. I only think I will a firewre card if I can get hold of a used one cheap. Most of them also use coaxial spdif instead of toslink. Most of the devices I have use toslink..but then I have a computer with coax Frank> Nice card, dead easy to set up and will play MP3s with Frank> acceptable quality (you won't get 24bit/96kHz out of Frank> "CD-quality" music anyways, so if listening to that kind of Frank> music is your priority, those higher output formats aren't Frank> of much use to you). Has 6-channel output so you can even Frank> use it for DJing with Mixxx etc. The internal adc/dac is Frank> only operating at 20bits, though. Yes I maybe think the Audiotrak uses a better converter(but then I lose the toslink spdif input). The distributor of Terratec producer & Auditrak in Denmark is writing on his page that the audiotrak optoplay uses the AKM AK4353 DA 24bit/96kHz which he says is the same Terratec Producer uses About the cd-quality and 24bit/96kHz. I have seen that some of the hifi cdplayers(Thule Audio) is actually upsampling in some of the models and says that by doing that they can make the filters better, but I don't know is this is just marketing hype Frank> I have used the card on stage, but I've upgraded to the Frank> Terratec Phase26 by now which has better sound quality Frank> because of better converters. However I think the Aureon Frank> has a really good price/performance+features ratio that is Frank> very hard to beat. Yes I know the Terratec producers card..have actually recommended them. A long time ago I had an Terratec EWS 64 XL ;-) And got my father to buy and MT-88 I think it was called. I actually like terratec's cards...and that was also the card I found first in my search In Denmark the Audiotrak optoplay cost about 66,7 euro & the Terratec Aurion is 46,7 euro Thanks for the answers Hasse From georg.holzmann at student.kug.ac.at Sat Jan 20 10:38:04 2007 From: georg.holzmann at student.kug.ac.at (Georg Holzmann) Date: Sat Jan 20 10:39:44 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] another very cheap usb card ... Message-ID: <45B2375C.4010602@student.kug.ac.at> Hallo! I just found this very small and cheap card (something like 12?): http://www.speedlink.de/prod.php?lang=en&sys_id=8&pb_id=12&prod_num=SL-8850 http://www.speedlink.de/support.php?lang=en&view=1&sys_id=8&pb_id=12&prod_num=SL-8850 Because I was looking for something like this I wanted to ask, if this card should be supported by the general USB driver ? (It says that on windows it will work out of the box with no special driver - so I guess it should also work on linux ?) Thanks, LG Georg From fbar at footils.org Sat Jan 20 11:02:48 2007 From: fbar at footils.org (Frank Barknecht) Date: Sat Jan 20 11:03:10 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] another very cheap usb card ... In-Reply-To: <45B2375C.4010602@student.kug.ac.at> References: <45B2375C.4010602@student.kug.ac.at> Message-ID: <20070120160248.GJ29029@fliwatut.scifi> Hallo, Georg Holzmann hat gesagt: // Georg Holzmann wrote: > I just found this very small and cheap card (something like 12?): > > http://www.speedlink.de/prod.php?lang=en&sys_id=8&pb_id=12&prod_num=SL-8850 > http://www.speedlink.de/support.php?lang=en&view=1&sys_id=8&pb_id=12&prod_num=SL-8850 > > Because I was looking for something like this I wanted to ask, if this > card should be supported by the general USB driver ? > > (It says that on windows it will work out of the box with no special > driver - so I guess it should also work on linux ?) Seems to work: http://qbik.ch/usb/devices/showdev.php?id=3890 although the driver linked there looks suspicious. Ciao -- Frank Barknecht _ ______footils.org_ __goto10.org__ From rlrevell at joe-job.com Sat Jan 20 11:57:46 2007 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Sat Jan 20 11:58:16 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Were's the weak link? In-Reply-To: <45B1CE27.1000903@netscape.net> References: <45B1CE27.1000903@netscape.net> Message-ID: <75b66ecd0701200857h6d184d5fq1a8d7b6dc712ce01@mail.gmail.com> On 1/20/07, linuxmedia4@netscape.net wrote: > Can anyone spot where the "weak link" is in my system. I put in this > post (what I believe) is the most relevant information... > > My system... > Dell Precision M50 laptop > 2 GHz Processor > 1 Gig Ram > 2.6.16-1.2080.16.rrt.rhfc5.ccrma > 7200rpm hard drive > > 'cat /proc/interrupts' (before disabling peripherals) shows: > > 11: 8900 XT-PIC [........./ 0] yenta, yenta, yenta, pcmcia2.0, > Indigo IO, uhci_hcd:usb1, uhci_hcd:usb2, ohci1394 What does IRQ 11 look like when the unused drivers are unloaded? Did you run the rtirq script? Does JACK report xruns when these glitches happen? Lee From riwright at vt.edu Sat Jan 20 12:21:58 2007 From: riwright at vt.edu (Rick Wright) Date: Sat Jan 20 12:22:12 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Tuning Jack: Please help me prioritize IRQ 10 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <45B24FB6.3060802@vt.edu> Carlo Capocasa wrote: >Hi all! > >Florian Schmidt was kind enought to point out that I can increase my >system performance by increasing the priority of both the Jack daemon >and the IRQ that my trusty'ol bebob device is hitched to. > >I temporarily gave up on putting the device onto another IRQ and will >leaving that up to the kernel developers to sort out; what I am >interested in right now is how to increase the priority of IRQ 10 on my >system. > >Florian suggested simply increasing the priority of the 'IRQ 10' >interrupt handling process; but on my system, there is no interrupt >handling process 'IRQ 10', or for any other IRQ, for that matter. > >How can I increase the priority of 'IRQ 10' on my Debian based system? > > > On my FC5 system, I put this in /etc/rc.local : /usr/bin/chrt -f -p `pidof "IRQ "` Note: those are "back-ticks" encasing the "pidof" command, not single quotes. Thus, your command should be something like : /usr/bin/chrt -f -p 90 `pidof "IRQ 10"` HTH, Rick From lt at westnet.com Sat Jan 20 16:47:44 2007 From: lt at westnet.com (Larry Troxler) Date: Sat Jan 20 13:48:03 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] DeMuDi status? Distribution for gig synth? In-Reply-To: <2def88b80701141226r58c70f75u1663394b2f68a830@mail.gmail.com> References: <45A97B58.70307@westnet.com> <20070114110858.GE12268@fliwatut.scifi> <45AA52BC.7050907@westnet.com> <20070114160037.4c9d9aed@localhost> <45AA87F1.3080801@westnet.com> <2def88b80701141226r58c70f75u1663394b2f68a830@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <45B28E00.1040007@westnet.com> Arnold Krille wrote: > 2007/1/14, Larry Troxler : >> Folderol wrote: >> > On Sun, 14 Jan 2007 10:56:44 -0500 >> > Have you tried 64studio? >> No, I was afraid it might be a little too new and unstable, and I am >> still afraid of any possible glitches in running in 64 bit mode. >> Am I being too afraid? > > Yes. > > I am running 64bit linux with (semi-)professional audio since more > then a year without a glitch. > > Arnold > Ok, I'm putting a new machine together and I will try 64 studio in 64 bit mode. Thanks everyone for the advice! Larry From lt at westnet.com Sat Jan 20 16:52:06 2007 From: lt at westnet.com (Larry Troxler) Date: Sat Jan 20 13:52:53 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] DeMuDi status? Distribution for gig synth? In-Reply-To: <20070114211257.GB8496@fliwatut.scifi> References: <45A97B58.70307@westnet.com> <20070114110858.GE12268@fliwatut.scifi> <45AA52BC.7050907@westnet.com> <20070114165224.GI12268@fliwatut.scifi> <45AA8E8A.6060906@westnet.com> <20070114211257.GB8496@fliwatut.scifi> Message-ID: <45B28F06.1050509@westnet.com> Frank Barknecht wrote: > Hallo, > Larry Troxler hat gesagt: // Larry Troxler wrote: > >> Well since Ubuntu is designed to be friendly for the casual user >> familiar with Microsoft's OS, I assume it must have the type of >> graphical configuration front ends that RedHat and Suse, for example have. >> >> And what I like about DeMuDi is that it doesn't have these front ends. > > Ubuntu is mostly using the Gnome (or KDE) tools for this. The tools > are available for Debian as well, if you want them. However I was > never really using them as I, like you, prefer to fire up a text > editor. > > Ciao Well, it's not exactly that I prefer using a text editor. Rather, it's a few other things: 1) These GUI configurations are different with each distribution (at least, I think they are), so that if there is a smaller user base supporting each of them. 2) When something invariably goes wrong, it's necessary to find out what's going on behind the scenes anyway during the course of debugging. 3) Scripting 4) Size. I was for a time thinking of running from a flash card, and it wouldn't make sense to crowd the flash with GUI configuration tools. Larry From lt at westnet.com Sat Jan 20 16:57:26 2007 From: lt at westnet.com (Larry Troxler) Date: Sat Jan 20 13:58:14 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Building a new music PC / on-board video suggestions? In-Reply-To: References: <45AF1358.8090304@westnet.com> Message-ID: <45B29046.10100@westnet.com> Stephen Hassard wrote: > I'd recommend looking at the Antec Take 3 (3U rackmount). > > http://www.antec.com/us/productDetails.php?ProdID=94003 > > They're extremely quiet, rack mountable, and use regular hight PCI > cards, so that you don't need any screwy riser cards for your motherboard. > > later, > Steve > Actually, I had a bit of a change in direction; I've ordered this home-entertainment style case (Antec Fusion): http://www.antec.com/us/productDetails.php?ProdID=15738. For the times I take it out, it looks like it's just barely enough so that I can fashion or buy some rackmount brackets, or else just put it in a tray. When I get it, I'll of course try to gauge how sturdy it will be if moved around. I suppose the main thing to worry about is G-force on the CPU cooling fan. Larry From contact at leonard-ritter.com Sat Jan 20 14:13:05 2007 From: contact at leonard-ritter.com (Leonard Ritter) Date: Sat Jan 20 14:13:19 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [ANN] Aldrin 0.9 (Mercury) Message-ID: <1169320385.5593.73.camel@localhost> Aldrin is an open source modular music sequencer/tracker for the GNU/Linux operating system. We're proud to announce the release of Aldrin 0.9 (Mercury). This release marks the end of Aldrin's "carnivore" cycle, a development line that was oriented towards a faithful imitation of Jeskola Buzz. "Mercury" is the first release of the "planet" cycle, a metaphoric journey from the center of our solar system to other places of the milky way, passing all other planets and moons as we move along, to the stars and beyond. Here is a short overview of the most relevant features introduced in this version: * Plugin and connection context menus have a new feature called "Insert/Prepend Plugin", enabling you to insert new plugins without disrupting the current DSP processing pipeline. * Deleting plugins will now restore previous connections. * A new function "Loop Fit" for samples, which adjusts a samples speed to match a current tempo. * Plugin LEDs in the router have been extended to fully fledged VUs, and thus can now display volumes of emitted signals. * Overdrive warnings for master and plugin VUs. If the measured volume reaches 0dB, the bar will flash bright red to indicate loss of quality. * The sequencer has been remixed and shows patterns now with distinguishing colors (automatically calculated). Pattern length is now being visualized as well. * A new Audio Input plugin allows real-time DSP processing of microphone and line input. * Thanks to libzzub's new LLVM-powered Lunar DSP plugin engine, a bunch of new plugins: Filter, Panning, Gain, a Kick Synthesizer and the Lunar MiniSynth, which is a Bass Synthesizer supporting DASR filter envelopes. * Various user interface simplifications. Enjoy this new version and visit us on #aldrin on freenode.net, or subscribe to the Aldrin mailing list. http://www.leonard-ritter.com/announcement_aldrin_0_9_mercury -- Leonard Ritter -- Freelance Art & Logic -- http://www.leonard-ritter.com From folderol at ukfsn.org Sat Jan 20 14:51:05 2007 From: folderol at ukfsn.org (Folderol) Date: Sat Jan 20 14:51:18 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] East To West In-Reply-To: <87vej265ed.fsf@esben-stien.name> References: <20070117221954.5da430d3@localhost> <87vej265ed.fsf@esben-stien.name> Message-ID: <20070120195105.7202ede6@localhost> On Fri, 19 Jan 2007 23:03:22 +0100 Esben Stien wrote: > Folderol writes: > > > I hope you like it. > > I really like these kinds of themes;). It's a traditional melody, > right? I'm very glad you like it. It might have ended up as a traditional STYLE melody, but that would be purely by chance. It is completely original work. My starting point was the chord sequence in the background, to which I then added the sharp, plucked section. It stayed like that for a while, then I added the flute-like part and later the horn. These were all added live onto the background. Finally I added the percussion section step-wise and did some general tidying up. -- Will J G From jh at brainiac.com Sat Jan 20 16:28:56 2007 From: jh at brainiac.com (Joe Hartley) Date: Sat Jan 20 16:29:48 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Tuning Jack: Please help me prioritize IRQ 10 In-Reply-To: <45B24FB6.3060802@vt.edu> References: <45B24FB6.3060802@vt.edu> Message-ID: <20070120162856.c1114190.jh@brainiac.com> This has been a very timely discussion. I just got my son a new mobo, CPU and RAM, and he's been having a lot of trouble using jack, ardour and hydrogen until I followed the advice here and tuned his machine up. Thanks all! On Sat, 20 Jan 2007 12:21:58 -0500 Rick Wright wrote: > Thus, your command should be something like : > > /usr/bin/chrt -f -p 90 `pidof "IRQ 10"` Here's a novel twist on all of this: my sound and video cards don't seem to exist on my FC5 system, so I can't run this command! For example, my audio card is a Delta 1010. lspci -v shows it: 02:0b.0 Multimedia audio controller: VIA Technologies Inc. ICE1712 [Envy24] PCI Multi-Channel I/O Controller (rev 02) Subsystem: VIA Technologies Inc. M-Audio Delta 1010 Flags: bus master, medium devsel, latency 64, IRQ 11 I/O ports at df80 [size=32] I/O ports at dfa0 [size=16] I/O ports at df60 [size=16] I/O ports at df00 [size=64] Capabilities: [80] Power Management version 1 However, it's not in /proc/interrupts, and trying to use chrt as shown above fails: [root@xtc ~]# cat /proc/interrupts CPU0 CPU1 0: 67992 2883426 IO-APIC-edge [........N/ 0] pit 1: 8 0 IO-APIC-edge [........./ 0] i8042 8: 1 0 IO-APIC-edge [........./ 0] rtc 9: 0 1 IO-APIC-level [........./ 0] acpi 12: 96 0 IO-APIC-edge [........./ 0] i8042 14: 6779 89 IO-APIC-edge [........./ 2] ide0 15: 28172 6252 IO-APIC-edge [........./ 2] ide1 17: 2 0 IO-APIC-level [........./ 0] ehci_hcd:usb1 18: 31 0 IO-APIC-level [........./ 0] uhci_hcd:usb2 19: 1276 0 IO-APIC-level [........./ 0] skge NMI: 0 0 LOC: 2951050 2954633 ERR: 0 MIS: 0 [root@xtc ~]# chrt -f -p 82 `pidof "IRQ 11"` sched_getscheduler: No such process failed to get pid 82's policy Hmmm, where's the process for IRQ 11?? [root@xtc ~]# ps -ef | grep IRQ root 33 27 0 15:28 ? 00:00:00 [IRQ 9] root 249 27 0 15:28 ? 00:00:00 [IRQ 8] root 268 27 0 15:28 ? 00:00:00 [IRQ 12] root 296 27 0 15:28 ? 00:00:00 [IRQ 14] root 299 27 0 15:28 ? 00:00:00 [IRQ 15] root 350 27 0 15:28 ? 00:00:00 [IRQ 1] root 838 27 0 15:28 ? 00:00:00 [IRQ 17] root 860 27 0 15:28 ? 00:00:00 [IRQ 18] root 897 27 0 15:28 ? 00:00:00 [IRQ 19] root 1133 27 0 15:28 ? 00:00:00 [IRQ 6] I'm really baffled here! Has anyone seen this? My video card (listed as having IRQ 18) is equally missing in action as well. Thanks for any clues sent this way. -- ====================================================================== Joe Hartley - UNIX/network Consultant - jh@brainiac.com Without deviation from the norm, "progress" is not possible. - FZappa From jh at brainiac.com Sat Jan 20 16:34:51 2007 From: jh at brainiac.com (Joe Hartley) Date: Sat Jan 20 16:41:31 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Tuning Jack: Please help me prioritize IRQ 10 In-Reply-To: <20070120162856.c1114190.jh@brainiac.com> References: <45B24FB6.3060802@vt.edu> <20070120162856.c1114190.jh@brainiac.com> Message-ID: <20070120163451.180ad4a2.jh@brainiac.com> I hate following up on my own post, but... On Sat, 20 Jan 2007 16:28:56 -0500 Joe Hartley wrote: > Here's a novel twist on all of this: my sound and video cards don't seem > to exist on my FC5 system, so I can't run this command! > > For example, my audio card is a Delta 1010. lspci -v shows it: > 02:0b.0 Multimedia audio controller: VIA Technologies Inc. ICE1712 [Envy24] PCI Multi-Channel I/O Controller (rev 02) > Subsystem: VIA Technologies Inc. M-Audio Delta 1010 > Flags: bus master, medium devsel, latency 64, IRQ 11 > > However, it's not in /proc/interrupts, and trying to use chrt as shown > above fails: I did a "service alsasound restart" and it now shows up in /proc/interrupts: 17: 2 0 IO-APIC-level [........./ 0] ehci_hcd:usb1, ICE1712 I'm not thrilled that it's sharing an IRQ, time for some BIOS playing I think. -- ====================================================================== Joe Hartley - UNIX/network Consultant - jh@brainiac.com Without deviation from the norm, "progress" is not possible. - FZappa From linuxmedia4 at netscape.net Sat Jan 20 16:43:57 2007 From: linuxmedia4 at netscape.net (linuxmedia4@netscape.net) Date: Sat Jan 20 16:57:17 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Were's the weak link? In-Reply-To: <75b66ecd0701200857h6d184d5fq1a8d7b6dc712ce01@mail.gmail.com> References: <45B1CE27.1000903@netscape.net> <75b66ecd0701200857h6d184d5fq1a8d7b6dc712ce01@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <45B28D1D.2070005@netscape.net> >> Can anyone spot where the "weak link" is in my system. I put in this >> post (what I believe) is the most relevant information... >> >> My system... >> Dell Precision M50 laptop >> 2 GHz Processor >> 1 Gig Ram >> 2.6.16-1.2080.16.rrt.rhfc5.ccrma >> 7200rpm hard drive >> >> 'cat /proc/interrupts' (before disabling peripherals) shows: >> 11: 8900 XT-PIC [........./ 0] yenta, yenta, yenta, >> pcmcia2.0, Indigo IO, uhci_hcd:usb1, uhci_hcd:usb2, ohci1394 > What does IRQ 11 look like when the unused drivers are unloaded? Actually, I never went back to (en)abling the peripherals in BIOS. I'll wait untill I finally find the culprit and then enable them and see what happens. So this reflects my current situation... 0: 555937 XT-PIC [........N/ 0] pit 1: 1344 XT-PIC [........./ 1] i8042 2: 0 XT-PIC [........N/ 0] cascade 7: 0 XT-PIC [........./ 0] Intel 82801CA-ICH3, Intel 82801CA-ICH3 Modem 8: 1 XT-PIC [........./ 0] rtc 9: 0 XT-PIC [........./ 0] acpi 11: 7038 XT-PIC [........./ 0] yenta, yenta, Indigo IO, uhci_hcd:usb1, uhci_hcd:usb2, ohci1394, eth0 12: 24456 XT-PIC [........./ 0] i8042 14: 14998 XT-PIC [........./ 0] ide0 NMI: 0 LOC: 0 ERR: 0 MIS: 0 > Did you run the rtirq script? During bootup, I see mentions of S88rtirq, so I looked and I see there is '/etc/rc.d/rc3.d/S88rtirq'. > Does JACK report xruns when these glitches happen? While recording with ecasound (with realtime privileges) and running 'jackd -v -R -dalsa -r48000 -p512 -n2 -D -Chw:2 -Phw:2'... during the interruptions, I received these messages... (I get interruptions with every combination of periods and buffer sizes I've tried) delay of 42746.000 usecs exceeds estimated spare time of 9632.000; restart ... delay of 42669.000 usecs exceeds estimated spare time of 9625.000; restart ... delay of 42647.000 usecs exceeds estimated spare time of 9608.000; restart ... delay of 42646.000 usecs exceeds estimated spare time of 9700.000; restart ... delay of 42600.000 usecs exceeds estimated spare time of 9741.000; restart ... Thanks... keep the suggestions coming. I'm not going to settle for this as the result after investing 5 years into Linux/Audio. Rocco From riwright at vt.edu Sat Jan 20 17:53:15 2007 From: riwright at vt.edu (Rick Wright) Date: Sat Jan 20 17:53:22 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Tuning Jack: Please help me prioritize IRQ 10 In-Reply-To: <20070120162856.c1114190.jh@brainiac.com> References: <45B24FB6.3060802@vt.edu> <20070120162856.c1114190.jh@brainiac.com> Message-ID: <45B29D5B.10604@vt.edu> Joe Hartley wrote: >This has been a very timely discussion. I just got my son a new mobo, CPU >and RAM, and he's been having a lot of trouble using jack, ardour and hydrogen >until I followed the advice here and tuned his machine up. Thanks all! > >On Sat, 20 Jan 2007 12:21:58 -0500 >Rick Wright wrote: > > >>Thus, your command should be something like : >> >>/usr/bin/chrt -f -p 90 `pidof "IRQ 10"` >> >> > >Here's a novel twist on all of this: my sound and video cards don't seem >to exist on my FC5 system, so I can't run this command! > >For example, my audio card is a Delta 1010. lspci -v shows it: >02:0b.0 Multimedia audio controller: VIA Technologies Inc. ICE1712 [Envy24] PCI Multi-Channel I/O Controller (rev 02) > Subsystem: VIA Technologies Inc. M-Audio Delta 1010 > Flags: bus master, medium devsel, latency 64, IRQ 11 > I/O ports at df80 [size=32] > I/O ports at dfa0 [size=16] > I/O ports at df60 [size=16] > I/O ports at df00 [size=64] > Capabilities: [80] Power Management version 1 > >However, it's not in /proc/interrupts, and trying to use chrt as shown >above fails: >[root@xtc ~]# cat /proc/interrupts > CPU0 CPU1 > 0: 67992 2883426 IO-APIC-edge [........N/ 0] pit > 1: 8 0 IO-APIC-edge [........./ 0] i8042 > 8: 1 0 IO-APIC-edge [........./ 0] rtc > 9: 0 1 IO-APIC-level [........./ 0] acpi > 12: 96 0 IO-APIC-edge [........./ 0] i8042 > 14: 6779 89 IO-APIC-edge [........./ 2] ide0 > 15: 28172 6252 IO-APIC-edge [........./ 2] ide1 > 17: 2 0 IO-APIC-level [........./ 0] ehci_hcd:usb1 > 18: 31 0 IO-APIC-level [........./ 0] uhci_hcd:usb2 > 19: 1276 0 IO-APIC-level [........./ 0] skge >NMI: 0 0 >LOC: 2951050 2954633 >ERR: 0 >MIS: 0 >[root@xtc ~]# chrt -f -p 82 `pidof "IRQ 11"` >sched_getscheduler: No such process >failed to get pid 82's policy > >Hmmm, where's the process for IRQ 11?? > > > You can check for the pid with: ps -Leo pid,pri,rtprio,cmd | grep IRQ The first column is the pid, the third is the rtprio, which is what gets set by the "chrt" command I posted previously. This is a good check that you are able to set the "rtprio" value. Once you have that pid, do: /usr/bin/chrt -f -p 82 The back-ticks and quotes are only required when this command is put in a script. >[root@xtc ~]# ps -ef | grep IRQ >root 33 27 0 15:28 ? 00:00:00 [IRQ 9] >root 249 27 0 15:28 ? 00:00:00 [IRQ 8] >root 268 27 0 15:28 ? 00:00:00 [IRQ 12] >root 296 27 0 15:28 ? 00:00:00 [IRQ 14] >root 299 27 0 15:28 ? 00:00:00 [IRQ 15] >root 350 27 0 15:28 ? 00:00:00 [IRQ 1] >root 838 27 0 15:28 ? 00:00:00 [IRQ 17] >root 860 27 0 15:28 ? 00:00:00 [IRQ 18] >root 897 27 0 15:28 ? 00:00:00 [IRQ 19] >root 1133 27 0 15:28 ? 00:00:00 [IRQ 6] > >I'm really baffled here! Has anyone seen this? My video card (listed >as having IRQ 18) is equally missing in action as well. Thanks for any >clues sent this way. > > > From linuxmedia4 at netscape.net Sat Jan 20 17:56:06 2007 From: linuxmedia4 at netscape.net (linuxmedia4@netscape.net) Date: Sat Jan 20 17:55:26 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Were's the weak link? In-Reply-To: <45B1E709.4010200@curates-egg.org> References: <45B1CE27.1000903@netscape.net> <45B1E709.4010200@curates-egg.org> Message-ID: <45B29E06.60101@netscape.net> >> 9: 2 XT-PIC [........./ 0] acpi > Did you try turning acpi off? I turned acpi off by adding acpi=off to the kernel command line in grub.conf, but the bootup hung at 'Applying iptables firewall rules:' and never recovered. What do I need to do to disable acpi? Thanks, Rocco From linuxmedia4 at netscape.net Sat Jan 20 21:26:06 2007 From: linuxmedia4 at netscape.net (linuxmedia4@netscape.net) Date: Sat Jan 20 21:26:01 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Were's the weak link? In-Reply-To: <158277e20701201503n2e2c2d03n16f694a6ebe3b60a@mail.gmail.com> References: <45B1CE27.1000903@netscape.net> <75b66ecd0701200857h6d184d5fq1a8d7b6dc712ce01@mail.gmail.com> <45B28D1D.2070005@netscape.net> <158277e20701201456mc02b1d1k6f2640122d0d3259@mail.gmail.com> <158277e20701201503n2e2c2d03n16f694a6ebe3b60a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <45B2CF3E.7000803@netscape.net> >> Can anyone spot where the "weak link" is in my system. I put in this >> post (what I believe) is the most relevant information... > judging from the huge duration of these timeouts > it really doesn't look like you are running a rt > kernel. > uname -a > says? bash# uname -a Linux localhostlocaldomain 2.6.16-1.2080.16.rrt.rhfc5.ccrma #1 PREEMPT Tue Jul 25 15:06:37 EDT 2006 i686 i686 i386 GNU/Linux Maybe I'm confused about what it really means to run an rt kernel, but I'm running FC5/CCRMA and this is what the install page reads... ======================================================== Installing the low latency kernel Planet CCRMA provides versions of the Linux kernel with one crucial difference with the standard kernel, the inclusion of the realtime preemption patch by Ingo Molnar. Planet CCRMA on Fedora Core 5 currently includes two kernels with slightly different configurations of the realtime preemption patch. The more conservative is configured as PREEMPT_DESKTOP, the more adventurous is configured as PREEMPT_RT. The latter will give you (if it works on your hardware) much better low latency performance. As usual what you get in terms of latency depends on the exact mix of hardware you are running on. ======================================================== I'm running the kernel configured as PREEMPT_RT. > also I found that the rtirq script was "not doing the right thing" > on later kernels > > Also give ingo's kernel a shot I'll have to check with the CCRMA list and see if anyone has had problems with the rtirq script on their FC5/CCRMA systems with this kernel. > Is cpuspeed running? If so, disable it. Bear with me... this is all new to me... Do I understand that 'chkconfig' would be the command to disable cpuspeed? If so, would you suggest that I disable it for all runlevels? This is the output of '/sbin/chkconfig --list cpuspeed'... cpuspeed 0:off 1:on 2:on 3:on 4:on 5:on 6:off So... '/sbin/chkconfig --level 12345 cpuspeed off' would disable it for all runlevels? Rocco From marcospcmusica at gmail.com Sat Jan 20 23:30:43 2007 From: marcospcmusica at gmail.com (Marcos Guglielmetti) Date: Sun Jan 21 03:30:01 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] autographed copies of Rosegarden Companion Message-ID: <200701210530.43486.marcospcmusica@gmail.com> http://www.musix.org.ar/wordpress/?p=52 This is a great Book about the MIDI sequencer Rosegarden: http://rosegarden.sourceforge.net/tutorial/, that works into GNU/Linux. Now you can help the author (he is also a developer) buying an autographed copy, just send him a mail: ?D. Michael McIntyre? Thanks! -- Marcos Guglielmetti * Director del desarrollo de Musix GNU+Linux, 100% Software Libre * CD Donwload: (http://www.musix.org.ar/en/) * Videos, programas y otras cosas en: ftp://musix.ourproject.org/pub/musix/ * Reporte de errores a: https://www.musix.org.ar/wiki/index.php?title=Problemas-Bugs *IRC: #musix channel on freenode * http://autosus.wordpress.com/ From mike.taht at gmail.com Sat Jan 20 17:56:41 2007 From: mike.taht at gmail.com (Mike Taht) Date: Sun Jan 21 07:23:37 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Were's the weak link? In-Reply-To: <45B28D1D.2070005@netscape.net> References: <45B1CE27.1000903@netscape.net> <75b66ecd0701200857h6d184d5fq1a8d7b6dc712ce01@mail.gmail.com> <45B28D1D.2070005@netscape.net> Message-ID: <158277e20701201456mc02b1d1k6f2640122d0d3259@mail.gmail.com> On 1/20/07, linuxmedia4@netscape.net wrote: > > >> Can anyone spot where the "weak link" is in my system. I put in this > >> post (what I believe) is the most relevant information... Is cpuspeed running? If so, disable it. Also I note that ingo is keeping a repository of the latest rt kernels (he's at 2.6.20 something at present) at: http://people.redhat.com/mingo/realtime-preempt/yum.README This series has been pretty good for me, but YMMV >> > >> My system... > >> Dell Precision M50 laptop > >> 2 GHz Processor > >> 1 Gig Ram > >> 2.6.16-1.2080.16.rrt.rhfc5.ccrma > >> 7200rpm hard drive > >> > >> 'cat /proc/interrupts' (before disabling peripherals) shows: > >> 11: 8900 XT-PIC [........./ 0] yenta, yenta, yenta, > >> pcmcia2.0, Indigo IO, uhci_hcd:usb1, uhci_hcd:usb2, ohci1394 > > > What does IRQ 11 look like when the unused drivers are unloaded? > > Actually, I never went back to (en)abling the peripherals in BIOS. I'll > wait untill I finally find the culprit and then enable them and see what > happens. So this reflects my current situation... > > 0: 555937 XT-PIC [........N/ 0] pit > 1: 1344 XT-PIC [........./ 1] i8042 > 2: 0 XT-PIC [........N/ 0] cascade > 7: 0 XT-PIC [........./ 0] Intel 82801CA-ICH3, Intel > 82801CA-ICH3 Modem > 8: 1 XT-PIC [........./ 0] rtc > 9: 0 XT-PIC [........./ 0] acpi > 11: 7038 XT-PIC [........./ 0] yenta, yenta, Indigo IO, > uhci_hcd:usb1, uhci_hcd:usb2, ohci1394, eth0 > 12: 24456 XT-PIC [........./ 0] i8042 > 14: 14998 XT-PIC [........./ 0] ide0 > NMI: 0 > LOC: 0 > ERR: 0 > MIS: 0 > > > Did you run the rtirq script? > > During bootup, I see mentions of S88rtirq, so I looked and I see there > is '/etc/rc.d/rc3.d/S88rtirq'. > > > Does JACK report xruns when these glitches happen? > > While recording with ecasound (with realtime privileges) and running > 'jackd -v -R -dalsa -r48000 -p512 -n2 -D -Chw:2 -Phw:2'... during the > interruptions, I received these messages... > > (I get interruptions with every combination of periods and buffer sizes > I've tried) > > delay of 42746.000 usecs exceeds estimated spare time of 9632.000; > restart ... > delay of 42669.000 usecs exceeds estimated spare time of 9625.000; > restart ... > delay of 42647.000 usecs exceeds estimated spare time of 9608.000; > restart ... > delay of 42646.000 usecs exceeds estimated spare time of 9700.000; > restart ... > delay of 42600.000 usecs exceeds estimated spare time of 9741.000; > restart ... > > Thanks... keep the suggestions coming. I'm not going to settle for this > as the result after investing 5 years into Linux/Audio. > > Rocco > > -- Mike Taht PostCards From the Bleeding Edge http://the-edge.blogspot.com "Have you noticed that the earth is tipped away from the sun at the moment? Really sloppy quality control. I filed a request to have it tipped towards the sun again, but you know how these things go. Probably take 'em 6 months to fix it" - E.H. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://music.columbia.edu/pipermail/linux-audio-user/attachments/20070120/5a27a172/attachment.html From cmetzler at speakeasy.net Sun Jan 21 07:46:00 2007 From: cmetzler at speakeasy.net (Chris Metzler) Date: Sun Jan 21 07:42:44 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] This criticism of jackd valid? Message-ID: <20070121074600.5b0a4b88@stax.funkapus.org> As much more of a music maker than a developer, I'm not able to evaluate whether this post from a current thread on Slashdot is a valid criticism of JACK: http://ask.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=217898&cid=17700570 I'm curious what people here think? -c -- Chris Metzler cmetzler@speakeasy.snip-me.net (remove "snip-me." to email) "As a child I understood how to give; I have forgotten this grace since I have become civilized." - Chief Luther Standing Bear -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://music.columbia.edu/pipermail/linux-audio-user/attachments/20070121/27e47604/signature.bin From lars.luthman at gmail.com Sun Jan 21 08:15:16 2007 From: lars.luthman at gmail.com (Lars Luthman) Date: Sun Jan 21 08:27:32 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] This criticism of jackd valid? In-Reply-To: <20070121074600.5b0a4b88@stax.funkapus.org> References: <20070121074600.5b0a4b88@stax.funkapus.org> Message-ID: <1169385317.3688.0.camel@box..lars> On Sun, 2007-01-21 at 07:46 -0500, Chris Metzler wrote: > As much more of a music maker than a developer, I'm not able to evaluate > whether this post from a current thread on Slashdot is a valid criticism > of JACK: > > http://ask.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=217898&cid=17700570 > > I'm curious what people here think? Isn't the --nperiods option used to get multiple JACK periods per hardware buffer? --ll -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part Url : http://music.columbia.edu/pipermail/linux-audio-user/attachments/20070121/f6d359da/attachment.bin From dsbaikov at gmail.com Sun Jan 21 08:53:41 2007 From: dsbaikov at gmail.com (Dmitry Baikov) Date: Sun Jan 21 09:01:26 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] This criticism of jackd valid? In-Reply-To: <1169385317.3688.0.camel@box..lars> References: <20070121074600.5b0a4b88@stax.funkapus.org> <1169385317.3688.0.camel@box..lars> Message-ID: <70a871c80701210553l6a1527efnef794d84b49c598c@mail.gmail.com> On 1/21/07, Lars Luthman wrote: > On Sun, 2007-01-21 at 07:46 -0500, Chris Metzler wrote: > > As much more of a music maker than a developer, I'm not able to evaluate > > whether this post from a current thread on Slashdot is a valid criticism > > of JACK: > > > > http://ask.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=217898&cid=17700570 Looks like a troll. If he knows a better solution, where is it? There's no way to have big processing period and low-latency at the same time. If you are processing your audio in big chunks, then there's just no sense to use short hw-buffers (if only to stress irq subsystem). So, this post is BS. The only thing that may be useful, is to have cients with different period sizes in the same graph. But it's quite hard to implement, though possible. Regards, Dmitry. From dlphillips at woh.rr.com Sun Jan 21 09:13:20 2007 From: dlphillips at woh.rr.com (Dave Phillips) Date: Sun Jan 21 09:13:35 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] This criticism of jackd valid? In-Reply-To: <20070121074600.5b0a4b88@stax.funkapus.org> References: <20070121074600.5b0a4b88@stax.funkapus.org> Message-ID: <45B37500.3070808@woh.rr.com> Chris Metzler wrote: >As much more of a music maker than a developer, I'm not able to evaluate >whether this post from a current thread on Slashdot is a valid criticism >of JACK: > >http://ask.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=217898&cid=17700570 > >I'm curious what people here think? > AFAIC, any mention of Linux audio on /. is a troll. I wrote a reply to the original post but didn't send it (see below). "Slashdot + Linux audio" is a non-starter. I couldn't even get the service to announce the Linux Audio Conference decently (two years ago). I'm still astonished by the utter lack of support for Linux audio from within the Linux community itself. It's as though it never occurs to users that their precious music is made with non-free tools on non-free systems. I guess as long as they can play it on a free platform, it's all okay. Slashdot is not a good place to go for accurate information. Nice for some things, sucks for others. Linux audio is one of its others. The Coward writes : "You *can* still get Jack to work perfectly with 2ms latency (and hundreds of people do), but only with extreme care about what applications you're running and with the use of fast top-end audio hardware, no Internet access, and no random commands invoked from xterms." Right, and pros routinely use less powerful hardware and are thoughtless about their software selection, while they surf the Web and run random commands during paid sessions. WTF?! That post is filled with contradictions. This is ripe : "In contrast, the thousands of other people running Jack with realtime-lsm on their general-purpose Linux box still get the occasional XRUN at the best of times despite running with a load average of 0.01, and for professional work, even 1 XRUN per week is 1 XRUN too many." Does anyone else notice how adroitly he confutes normal desktop use with pro audio ? He acknowledges it's possible to get sub 2ms latency for pro work, but normal users typically get xruns from general-purpose (not pro-audio) systems, but pro-audio people (who we can safely assume are *not* using unmodified systems) can't tolerate even a single xrun. I'm sure Paul and the JACK crew will find this statement interesting: "it requires *HARD* realtime to work" His numbers are interestingly suspect: "hundreds of people do" "thousands of other people running Jack" "a million Jack clients" Even allowing for hyperbole the article reads like it's written by a troll. According to his title, Jack is broken, but in his discourse he makes it clear that people can and do successfully run it. So is this a troll or just poor reasoning and writing ? You decide. Here's my unposted response: "I'm curius to read your explanation for the following scenario: Yesterday I ran ImproSculpt, a massive Csound + FLTK program with extensive GUI controls, for more than three hours, running under JACK (set for sub 6ms latency), processing multiple input streams in realtime, with not one xrun. I surfed the Web and wrote an article while ImproSculpt did its thing. I do similar stuff with Ardour. Your assertions don't hold up here at Studio Dave. Machine is an AMD64 3200. Yes, it's fast, but none of my Mac and Win audio buddies use anything less. You are bound to use power hardware if you intend to do serious audio, as I'm sure you know. Btw, Linux distro is 64Studio." Also btw: None of my Windows-based music friends like the OS at all. Some still run Cubase on Win98, citing better performance than with XP. Those fellows have absolutely 0 intention to purchase Vista for their music purposes. My friends running Pro Tools *never* run anything else during a session with that software. They are also unhappy about being so completely locked into a commercial scheme. Nevertheless, their innate conservatism and their heavy investment into the Win/Mac world saps their incentive to step out of it. Anyone else remember the days when Mozilla received the same treatment from naysayers ? Anyone using Firefox these days ? I need more coffee. Best, dp From jack.oquin at gmail.com Sun Jan 21 09:45:37 2007 From: jack.oquin at gmail.com (Jack O'Quin) Date: Sun Jan 21 09:56:33 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] This criticism of jackd valid? In-Reply-To: <45B37500.3070808@woh.rr.com> References: <20070121074600.5b0a4b88@stax.funkapus.org> <45B37500.3070808@woh.rr.com> Message-ID: On 1/21/07, Dave Phillips wrote: > Here's my unposted response: [snip] > I need more coffee. > Great answer, Dave. Thanks for sharing it with us. Don't waste it on that idiot. "Never try to teach a pig to sing -- it wastes your time and annoys the pig." -- joq From jh at brainiac.com Sun Jan 21 09:48:05 2007 From: jh at brainiac.com (Joe Hartley) Date: Sun Jan 21 09:57:36 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] This criticism of jackd valid? In-Reply-To: <45B37500.3070808@woh.rr.com> References: <20070121074600.5b0a4b88@stax.funkapus.org> <45B37500.3070808@woh.rr.com> Message-ID: <20070121094805.899c6c8d.jh@brainiac.com> On Sun, 21 Jan 2007 09:13:20 -0500 Dave Phillips wrote: > A good time for it, too. I started looking at that thread on /. but didn't care to raise my blood pressure that much. Having just tuned my son's system so that he can run Ardour and Hydrogen and record without crashing, I can attest that yes, it takes some work even with a music-oriented distro (in this case, Planet CCRMA), but it's less voodoo than what a lot of Windows people have to go through to get a stable recording setup. His implication that other systems handle this routinely but that Jack is fundamentally broken speaks to his trollishness. -- ====================================================================== Joe Hartley - UNIX/network Consultant - jh@brainiac.com Without deviation from the norm, "progress" is not possible. - FZappa From b0ef at esben-stien.name Sun Jan 21 11:55:55 2007 From: b0ef at esben-stien.name (Esben Stien) Date: Sun Jan 21 10:56:48 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] [Announce] IanniX 0.639b online In-Reply-To: <97CCCE96-D3BD-4AB2-A79C-B221A30BECC1@la-kitchen.fr> (Thierry Coduys's message of "Sat, 20 Jan 2007 11:15:30 +0100") References: <97CCCE96-D3BD-4AB2-A79C-B221A30BECC1@la-kitchen.fr> Message-ID: <87mz4c5nfo.fsf@esben-stien.name> Thierry Coduys writes: > IanniX 0.639b is now online with new examples : Do you expect us to know what that is? -- Esben Stien is b0ef@e s a http://www. s t n m irc://irc. b - i . e/%23contact sip:b0ef@ e e jid:b0ef@ n n From zettberlin at linuxuse.de Sun Jan 21 12:38:13 2007 From: zettberlin at linuxuse.de (Hartmut Noack) Date: Sun Jan 21 12:38:20 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] This criticism of jackd valid? In-Reply-To: <20070121074600.5b0a4b88@stax.funkapus.org> References: <20070121074600.5b0a4b88@stax.funkapus.org> Message-ID: <45B3A505.4070101@linuxuse.de> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Chris Metzler schrieb: > http://ask.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=217898&cid=17700570 > > I'm curious what people here think? > I think the poster lacks experience with jackd - he appears to be ignorant, what an xrun is in the real world, I posted this reply on slashdot: I can run jackd with ardour at 2.3ms stable and reliable on a 2.5 year old PIV 2.8 with a 6 year old Terratec Audiocard, while having Firefox browsing the Internet and with a Desktop Preempt Kernel. Plus: xruns occour from time to time but only if I start up critical Apps like Zynadd, load huge Projectfiles etc. So to be sure, that xruns do not cause any harm, I only need to avoid starting major apps while a Recording is running... When I close a usual session after 3-5 h I have maybe 3-4 xruns and none of them influenced the recorded material in any way. Even if I run into real trouble with jackd (by playing a problematic Zynadd-Patch with too much polyphony or the like), the session recovers usually without need to restart, when stopping the apps, that had caused the trouble. So I fail to get your point: what are you doing with your system and your other-side-of-the-globe Musicians that a single xrun can destroy your work?? best regards Z -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.3 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFFs6UF1Aecwva1SWMRAtc8AKCNjtaYkgV7KAx9Uwk49Rp3OKktwACggp8u r1DTFUElAiNAA9H98CVpCXw= =3KiY -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From hanaghan at wildblue.net Sun Jan 21 12:58:57 2007 From: hanaghan at wildblue.net (Russell Hanaghan) Date: Sun Jan 21 12:53:07 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] This criticism of jackd valid? In-Reply-To: <20070121074600.5b0a4b88@stax.funkapus.org> References: <20070121074600.5b0a4b88@stax.funkapus.org> Message-ID: <45B3A9E1.4050603@wildblue.net> Chris Metzler wrote: > As much more of a music maker than a developer, I'm not able to evaluate > whether this post from a current thread on Slashdot is a valid criticism > of JACK: > > http://ask.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=217898&cid=17700570 > > I'm curious what people here think? > > -c > > Ha! So a better alternative is what then?? ARTS!?...ESD? OSS?? Maybe "shes" a Widows user! (unnecessary slur there..I'm a windows user for some things but it seemed as informed and appropriate as the authors theme!) To me, within the authors own text, one of Jack's supreme capabilities was clearly highlighted... "You *can* still get Jack to work perfectly with 2ms latency (and hundreds of people do)," And I am yet to see a developer of a RT kernel who doesn't take great care in stating the possible negative effects of running RT kernels. And if Jack sucks SO much, why has it become the most popular audio medium for All serious Audio applications? I know Paul and crew have sufficiently thick skin to not be dented by this clown but it must be supremely irritating to have your work criticized in this manner, especially when no *better* solutions are offered up! I give /. "anonymous coward" a big and a "see a therapist over petty jealousy issues" for this weeks show! R From mista.tapas at gmx.net Sun Jan 21 14:20:06 2007 From: mista.tapas at gmx.net (Florian Schmidt) Date: Sun Jan 21 14:17:11 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] This criticism of jackd valid? In-Reply-To: <20070121074600.5b0a4b88@stax.funkapus.org> References: <20070121074600.5b0a4b88@stax.funkapus.org> Message-ID: <200701212020.06796.mista.tapas@gmx.net> On Sunday 21 January 2007 13:46, Chris Metzler wrote: > As much more of a music maker than a developer, I'm not able to evaluate > whether this post from a current thread on Slashdot is a valid criticism > of JACK: > > http://ask.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=217898&cid=17700570 > > I'm curious what people here think? Actually after pondering a bit, he actually does have one valid point. Although it is hidden below several layers of FUD and nonsense. When using jack as an interface, the app always _has to meet the rt contraints_ even if not interested in low latency. Examples are media players, etc.. 0.5 secs delay don't count as long as audio and video stay in sync. So to make jack a little more complete and and to speed up the vanishing of other sound servers it would be cool to have a possibility of requesting _larger_ buffers than whatever jack is running at. This would of course involve extra buffering and _always_ at least one period of extra delay (kinda like the Mac OS X scheme). Of course this functionality should be totally optional. If an app wants to use the direct no-additional-buffering-way it should be free to do so.. What do you think? Is there some concensus that such functionality has a place in libjack? And how would it have to look from an API point of view.. Regards, Flo P.S.: and while this might be pretty straightforward for audio only jack_midi would need soe extra work of changing the timecode stamps to correspond to values in the now larger buffer.. -- Palimm Palimm! http://tapas.affenbande.org From daneasley at gmail.com Sun Jan 21 14:22:55 2007 From: daneasley at gmail.com (Dan Easley) Date: Sun Jan 21 14:23:11 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Were's the weak link? In-Reply-To: <45B29E06.60101@netscape.net> References: <45B1CE27.1000903@netscape.net> <45B1E709.4010200@curates-egg.org> <45B29E06.60101@netscape.net> Message-ID: On 1/20/07, linuxmedia4@netscape.net wrote: > >> 9: 2 XT-PIC [........./ 0] acpi > > > Did you try turning acpi off? > > I turned acpi off by adding acpi=off to the kernel command line in > grub.conf, but the bootup hung at 'Applying iptables firewall rules:' > and never recovered. What do I need to do to disable acpi? I've run into this before. As I have sufficient firewalls in place outside of my fc5/ccrma box, I made the decision to run it without a firewall - turned it off using some KDE/Gnome "services" tool. Was then able to boot with acpi=off, which solved similar xrun problems to yours. The acpi/iptables bug really ought to be hunted down and squashed, but I'm afraid I'm not the guy to do it; if you can sanely live without the firewall (you should be sure about that before doing so), then I recommend doing so, just so you can turn acpi off. Again, acpi=off fixed similar xrun troubles on my dell inspiron 1150. -- daneasley@gmail.com dan@towndowner.com dan@burntpossum.com http://towndowner.com http://burntpossum.com From paul at linuxaudiosystems.com Sun Jan 21 14:27:53 2007 From: paul at linuxaudiosystems.com (Paul Davis) Date: Sun Jan 21 14:28:22 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] This criticism of jackd valid? In-Reply-To: References: <20070121074600.5b0a4b88@stax.funkapus.org> <45B37500.3070808@woh.rr.com> Message-ID: <1169407673.446.214.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Sun, 2007-01-21 at 08:45 -0600, Jack O'Quin wrote: > On 1/21/07, Dave Phillips wrote: > > > Here's my unposted response: > [snip] > > I need more coffee. > > > > Great answer, Dave. > > Thanks for sharing it with us. Don't waste it on that idiot. Especially when I'm happy to waste my time for you: http://ask.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=217898&threshold=2&commentsort=3&mode=thread&pid=17703578#17703720 From b0ef at esben-stien.name Sun Jan 21 16:21:03 2007 From: b0ef at esben-stien.name (Esben Stien) Date: Sun Jan 21 14:32:58 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] This criticism of jackd valid? In-Reply-To: <200701212020.06796.mista.tapas@gmx.net> (Florian Schmidt's message of "Sun, 21 Jan 2007 20:20:06 +0100") References: <20070121074600.5b0a4b88@stax.funkapus.org> <200701212020.06796.mista.tapas@gmx.net> Message-ID: <87irf05b5s.fsf@esben-stien.name> Florian Schmidt writes: > Is there some concensus that such functionality has a place in > libjack? I don't understand this. Why care about the JACK buffer?. Why not just buffer a little before?, especially with a media player. -- Esben Stien is b0ef@e s a http://www. s t n m irc://irc. b - i . e/%23contact sip:b0ef@ e e jid:b0ef@ n n From b0ef at esben-stien.name Sun Jan 21 16:22:53 2007 From: b0ef at esben-stien.name (Esben Stien) Date: Sun Jan 21 14:34:48 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] This criticism of jackd valid? In-Reply-To: <45B3A505.4070101@linuxuse.de> (Hartmut Noack's message of "Sun, 21 Jan 2007 18:38:13 +0100") References: <20070121074600.5b0a4b88@stax.funkapus.org> <45B3A505.4070101@linuxuse.de> Message-ID: <87ejpo5b2q.fsf@esben-stien.name> Hartmut Noack writes: > xruns occour from time to time but only if I start up critical Apps > like Zynadd Not any application what so ever should cause an xrun, but you're talking about an app that connects to the JACK graph. JACK does not support this yet, without a possible xrun, but it's planned. JACKDMP does this. -- Esben Stien is b0ef@e s a http://www. s t n m irc://irc. b - i . e/%23contact sip:b0ef@ e e jid:b0ef@ n n From d_baron at 012.net.il Sun Jan 21 14:45:54 2007 From: d_baron at 012.net.il (David Baron) Date: Sun Jan 21 15:29:49 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Aldrin 0.9 and llvm Message-ID: <200701212145.54783.d_baron@012.net.il> I never got this working with just python. Segfaulted. Now it is using llvm in addition. The llvm on Debian Sid is not good enough so one must download sources and go to it. However, this does not compile like other ./configure. make, make install. Follow their instructions. Llvm itself will compile and install just fine. Now go to the llvm-gcc front end (they recommend using binaries but there are none for Debian and Debian's llvm is not recent enought so ...) The compile dies looking for GCC_4.2.0 as required by libstdc++. This libstdc++ is off Debian Sid but gcc there is not up to 4.2.0. So how might this "require" it. Anyone succeded with this thing? From mista.tapas at gmx.net Sun Jan 21 15:38:24 2007 From: mista.tapas at gmx.net (Florian Schmidt) Date: Sun Jan 21 15:35:23 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] This criticism of jackd valid? In-Reply-To: <87irf05b5s.fsf@esben-stien.name> References: <20070121074600.5b0a4b88@stax.funkapus.org> <200701212020.06796.mista.tapas@gmx.net> <87irf05b5s.fsf@esben-stien.name> Message-ID: <200701212138.24356.mista.tapas@gmx.net> On Sunday 21 January 2007 22:21, Esben Stien wrote: > Florian Schmidt writes: > > Is there some concensus that such functionality has a place in > > libjack? > > I don't understand this. Why care about the JACK buffer?. Why not just > buffer a little before?, especially with a media player. Well, in this case the media player has to do all the decoupling from jack, which, while not terribly complicated, does have some pitfalls.. If you simply say: "jack, give me a 0.5 sec buffer" you can get away with quite a bit of non-rt programming, because a 0.5 sec deadline is rather easy to meet (maybe the need to prebuffer in the media player is gone completely). It's about making jack easier to use for application programmers, that do no care for quick response times (a realtime effect processor would care, as would a softsynth, but my media player doesn't). In the world of audio applications there are quite a few usecases where latency is not that much of an issue. Those apps should be able to happily coexist in a jack graph with low latency apps. And as there are quite a few of these apps, the problem should be solved once and not by every app writer again and again.. A blocking interface like in libjackasyn, which partly solves this problem afaict, would be a nice feature, too.. Regards, Flo -- Palimm Palimm! http://tapas.affenbande.org From jayv at synth.net Sun Jan 21 15:37:19 2007 From: jayv at synth.net (Jay Vaughan) Date: Sun Jan 21 15:38:39 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] This criticism of jackd valid? In-Reply-To: References: <20070121074600.5b0a4b88@stax.funkapus.org> <45B37500.3070808@woh.rr.com> Message-ID: >Great answer, Dave. >Thanks for sharing it with us. Don't waste it on that idiot. no no no! indeed, *do answer the idiots*!! otherwise, the myth is perpetuated. under no circumstances should one avoid correcting falsehoods when it comes to F/OSS! -- ; Jay Vaughan From mdeboer at iua.upf.edu Sun Jan 21 16:21:47 2007 From: mdeboer at iua.upf.edu (Maarten de Boer) Date: Sun Jan 21 16:21:57 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] This criticism of jackd valid? In-Reply-To: <1169407673.446.214.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <20070121074600.5b0a4b88@stax.funkapus.org> <45B37500.3070808@woh.rr.com> <1169407673.446.214.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <20070121222147.0003d66b.mdeboer@iua.upf.edu> Hi Paul I have a question about something you say in your slashdot post: "The overhead of calling the graph associated with the data flow for the frames is not insignificant, even on contemporary processors. Therefore, calling the graph the minimum number of times is of some significance, significance that only grows as the latency is reduced. Because of this, all existing designs, including ASIO and CoreAudio (with the proviso that CoreAudio is *not* driven by the interrupt from the audio interface) call the graph only once for every hardware buffer segment/period/whatever." Do you have some numbers to show how relevant this overhead actually is? I mean, if I use a specific internal buffer size (say 128 samples), independend of the system buffer size, would that really be noticable? I can think of some situations where this would be preferable. For example, if you have many points in your callgraph where a fixed buffer size is required (say some FFT's). Rather than doing buffering at all these points, it seems to make more sense to do the whole callgraph with that buffer size. I hope I make myself clear... I did some experiments, and did not notice any significant difference using different internal buffer sizes for my call graph. I am talking about a call graph within a single application, and maybe you were talking about a call graph with context switches? maarten -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. From _ at whats-your.name Sun Jan 21 16:27:43 2007 From: _ at whats-your.name (carmen) Date: Sun Jan 21 16:27:14 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Aldrin 0.9 and llvm In-Reply-To: <200701212145.54783.d_baron@012.net.il> References: <200701212145.54783.d_baron@012.net.il> Message-ID: <20070121212743.GC18580@replic.net> On Sun Jan 21, 2007 at 09:45:54PM +0200, David Baron wrote: > I never got this working with just python. Segfaulted. > > Now it is using llvm in addition. The llvm on Debian Sid is not good enough so > one must download sources and go to it. However, this does not compile like > other ./configure. make, make install. > > Follow their instructions. Llvm itself will compile and install just fine. Now > go to the llvm-gcc front end (they recommend using binaries but there are > none for Debian and Debian's llvm is not recent enought so ...) > > The compile dies looking for GCC_4.2.0 as required by libstdc++. This > libstdc++ is off Debian Sid but gcc there is not up to 4.2.0. So how might > this "require" it. Anyone succeded with this thing? > here on gentoo 2006.1-amd64, i got llvm proper to copmile out of the box. the -gcc one is more anoying, eventually figuring the right LLVMOBJDIR and other stuff (also, note it will fail during compile if you used relative paths), it started byilding. but then only libiberty was created. so i tried make again, with the 'bootstrap' option. this time it compiled for about 10 minutes then errored out. release versions.. cant wait to try aldrin! From contact at leonard-ritter.com Sun Jan 21 18:52:42 2007 From: contact at leonard-ritter.com (Leonard Ritter) Date: Sun Jan 21 18:53:02 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Aldrin 0.9 and llvm In-Reply-To: <200701212145.54783.d_baron@012.net.il> References: <200701212145.54783.d_baron@012.net.il> Message-ID: <1169423562.5570.27.camel@localhost> On Sun, 2007-01-21 at 21:45 +0200, David Baron wrote: > I never got this working with just python. Segfaulted. you can run aldrin off the unwrapped package. there is an "aldrindebug" in the bin directory that starts aldrin in gdb. enter "run", when the segfault happens, enter "bt", and send me the output. please also list your machine specs... cpu info, mostly. > Now it is using llvm in addition. The llvm on Debian Sid is not good enough so > one must download sources and go to it. However, this does not compile like > other ./configure. make, make install. yes, unfortunately. it totally sucks, i agree. > Follow their instructions. Llvm itself will compile and install just fine. Now > go to the llvm-gcc front end (they recommend using binaries but there are > none for Debian and Debian's llvm is not recent enought so ...) try some of the prepackaged binaries. i used the redhat ones with ubuntu. never managed to build llvm-gcc itself. -- Leonard Ritter -- Freelance Art & Logic -- http://www.leonard-ritter.com From folderol at ukfsn.org Sun Jan 21 19:25:49 2007 From: folderol at ukfsn.org (Folderol) Date: Sun Jan 21 19:27:49 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Nmmm nmmm (yawn) Message-ID: <20070122002549.0b4454cc@localhost> Another late night (early morning). Yet another tune that had to be finished over the weekend ... ish! I actually started working on it a few weeks before I started on East To West but hit a creative block, so put it to one side for a while. One problem I had was getting a soft drum sound. This was something I couldn't find in any of the hydrogen kits, nor in the drumsets on THREE different hardware synths. The drum I wanted to emulate is, I think, Irish in origin. It is a hand held drum and the single stick is double ended and leather padded, looking something like a dog bone. Eventually I was able to create something like it in Zyn. I also wanted a shaken tambourine and this seems just as hard to find. I used a combination of effects in Zyn. to get somewhere near it, but it isn't really right. Anyway, the results so far are on: http://www.musically.me.uk/music/Celtic_Dream.ogg http://www.musically.me.uk/music/Celtic_Dream.mp3 -- Will J G From ats at offog.org Sun Jan 21 21:10:34 2007 From: ats at offog.org (Adam Sampson) Date: Sun Jan 21 21:10:15 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Nmmm nmmm (yawn) In-Reply-To: <20070122002549.0b4454cc@localhost> (folderol@ukfsn.org's message of "Mon, 22 Jan 2007 00:25:49 +0000") References: <20070122002549.0b4454cc@localhost> Message-ID: Folderol writes: > The drum I wanted to emulate is, I think, Irish in origin. It is a > hand held drum and the single stick is double ended and leather > padded, looking something like a dog bone. That's a bodhran -- have a look at: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bodhr%C3%A1n -- Adam Sampson From lanas at securenet.net Mon Jan 22 07:06:24 2007 From: lanas at securenet.net (lanas) Date: Mon Jan 22 06:59:48 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] This criticism of jackd valid? In-Reply-To: <1169385317.3688.0.camel@box..lars> References: <20070121074600.5b0a4b88@stax.funkapus.org> <1169385317.3688.0.camel@box..lars> Message-ID: <20070122070624.4f200cac@mistral.stie> Le Sun, 21 Jan 2007 14:15:16 +0100, Lars Luthman a ?crit : > On Sun, 2007-01-21 at 07:46 -0500, Chris Metzler wrote: > > As much more of a music maker than a developer, I'm not able to > > evaluate whether this post from a current thread on Slashdot is a > > valid criticism of JACK: > > > > http://ask.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=217898&cid=17700570 Here's what I replied to the guy. Unfortunately the /. system seems to have some problem with posting the reply. > You *can* still get Jack to work perfectly with 2ms > latency (and hundreds of people do), but only with extreme care > about what applications you're running and with the use of fast > top-end audio hardware, no Internet access, and no random > commands invoked from xterms. I run a lot of Linux audio apps using a low-cost M-Audio 1010LT card on a X86_64 AMD X2 machine with 4 GB of RAM. I run audio sequences and Ardour recordings while the windowm manager is Beryl and it shows the water ripples and snow effects on the screen and there's an active internet connection. Never heard a missed note or beat and in fact, I still do not know what xruns are. Although 4GB is not that common nowadays, the X86_64 machines, as well as the dual core CPUs, are becoming cheap. I think that someone who can fly in a musician from the other side of the globe shouldn't really be running a cheap setup, be it Linux or Windows or Mac. Al From lanas at securenet.net Mon Jan 22 07:16:12 2007 From: lanas at securenet.net (lanas) Date: Mon Jan 22 07:09:25 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] This criticism of jackd valid? In-Reply-To: <20070122070624.4f200cac@mistral.stie> References: <20070121074600.5b0a4b88@stax.funkapus.org> <1169385317.3688.0.camel@box..lars> <20070122070624.4f200cac@mistral.stie> Message-ID: <20070122071612.3f7dd347@mistral.stie> Le Mon, 22 Jan 2007 07:06:24 -0500, lanas a ?crit : > Although 4GB is not that common nowadays, the X86_64 machines, as > well as the dual core CPUs, are becoming cheap. Damn, I forgot to mention that I run Fedora Core 6 with the distro kernel, unmodified. Al From gimpel at sonnenkinder.org Mon Jan 22 07:18:12 2007 From: gimpel at sonnenkinder.org (Thomas Kuther) Date: Mon Jan 22 07:19:18 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Aldrin 0.9 and llvm In-Reply-To: <20070121212743.GC18580@replic.net> References: <200701212145.54783.d_baron@012.net.il> <20070121212743.GC18580@replic.net> Message-ID: <20070122131812.435fdea3@SiRiUS.home> On Sun, 21 Jan 2007 16:27:43 -0500 carmen <_@whats-your.name> wrote: > On Sun Jan 21, 2007 at 09:45:54PM +0200, David Baron wrote: > > I never got this working with just python. Segfaulted. > > > > Now it is using llvm in addition. The llvm on Debian Sid is not > > good enough so one must download sources and go to it. However, > > this does not compile like other ./configure. make, make install. > > > > Follow their instructions. Llvm itself will compile and install > > just fine. Now go to the llvm-gcc front end (they recommend using > > binaries but there are none for Debian and Debian's llvm is not > > recent enought so ...) > > > > The compile dies looking for GCC_4.2.0 as required by libstdc++. > > This libstdc++ is off Debian Sid but gcc there is not up to 4.2.0. > > So how might this "require" it. Anyone succeded with this thing? > > > > here on gentoo 2006.1-amd64, i got llvm proper to copmile out of the > box. the -gcc one is more anoying, eventually figuring the right > LLVMOBJDIR and other stuff (also, note it will fail during compile if > you used relative paths), it started byilding. but then only > libiberty was created. so i tried make again, with the 'bootstrap' > option. this time it compiled for about 10 minutes then errored out. > release versions.. > > cant wait to try aldrin! try scons LUNAR="False" configure HTH Tom -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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In-Reply-To: <20070122071612.3f7dd347@mistral.stie> References: <20070121074600.5b0a4b88@stax.funkapus.org> <1169385317.3688.0.camel@box..lars> <20070122070624.4f200cac@mistral.stie> <20070122071612.3f7dd347@mistral.stie> Message-ID: its clear from this thread that there simply aren't enough linux-audio pimps making the rounds and hyping the scene. hands up who has been making tons of music with linux lately? it sure would be nice to hear a lot more from those folks, and maybe even be able to push it further out into the mainstream as examples of doing it right with linux-audio .. -- ; Jay Vaughan From jri at broadpark.no Mon Jan 22 07:48:12 2007 From: jri at broadpark.no (Johannes Mario Ringheim) Date: Mon Jan 22 07:48:38 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Aldrin 0.9 and llvm In-Reply-To: <20070122131812.435fdea3@SiRiUS.home> References: <200701212145.54783.d_baron@012.net.il> <20070121212743.GC18580@replic.net> <20070122131812.435fdea3@SiRiUS.home> Message-ID: <45B4B28C.60804@broadpark.no> Thomas Kuther wrote: >> cant wait to try aldrin! > > try > > scons LUNAR="False" configure Hmm...I still get this on Ubuntu Edgy: $ aldrin using wxPython 2.6 Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/local/bin/aldrin", line 6, in ? aldrin.run(sys.argv) File "/usr/local/bin/../share/aldrin/__init__.py", line 28, in run import main File "/usr/local/bin/../share/aldrin/main.py", line 32, in ? from utils import format_time, ticks_to_time, prepstr, linear2db, filepath, is_debug File "/usr/local/bin/../share/aldrin/utils.py", line 26, in ? import time, sys, math, os, zzub, imp File "/usr/local/bin/../share/aldrin/zzub.py", line 22, in ? import libzzub File "/usr/local/bin/../share/aldrin/libzzub.py", line 4, in ? from pylibzzub import * File "/usr/local/bin/../share/aldrin/pylibzzub.py", line 317, in ? libzzub = dlopen('zzub') File "/usr/local/bin/../share/aldrin/procwrap.py", line 35, in dlopen import library File "/usr/local/bin/../share/aldrin/library.py", line 27, in ? from utils import filepath ImportError: cannot import name filepath Any ideas..? -- Ringheims Auto - Fri musikk for bilstereo! http://ringheimsauto.org From d_baron at 012.net.il Mon Jan 22 08:18:43 2007 From: d_baron at 012.net.il (David Baron) Date: Mon Jan 22 08:21:10 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Aldrin 0.9 and llvm In-Reply-To: <20070121235303.42D8A5E56FC3@music.columbia.edu> References: <20070121235303.42D8A5E56FC3@music.columbia.edu> Message-ID: <200701221518.43988.d_baron@012.net.il> On Monday 22 January 2007 01:53, linux-audio-user-request@music.columbia.edu wrote: > > I never got this working with just python. Segfaulted. > > you can run aldrin off the unwrapped package. there is an "aldrindebug" > in the bin directory that starts aldrin in gdb. enter "run", when the > segfault happens, enter "bt", and send me the output. I think I already sent you this stuff. Not a new problem. > > please also list your machine specs... cpu info, mostly. Pentium III, 500mhz running at 575mhz, Debian unstable (Sid). > > Now it is using llvm in addition. The llvm on Debian Sid is not good > > enough so one must download sources and go to it. However, this does not > > compile like other ./configure. make, make install. > > yes, unfortunately. it totally sucks, i agree. But at least it builds and installs fine they way they tell you to do it. Just stay off ./configure :-( > > Follow their instructions. Llvm itself will compile and install just > > fine. Now go to the llvm-gcc front end (they recommend using binaries but > > there are none for Debian and Debian's llvm is not recent enought so ...) > > try some of the prepackaged binaries. i used the redhat ones with > ubuntu. OK, I will get the redhat rpm and alien that into Debian (Ubuntu is built on Debian) and see it that works. Since their binary names conflict with generic ones like gcc (why did they do such a thing?), they must install somewhere else and symlink to an llvm-gcc as per their instructions. How does the rpm take care of this? > never managed to build llvm-gcc itself. > > -- > Leonard Ritter From contact at leonard-ritter.com Mon Jan 22 08:29:02 2007 From: contact at leonard-ritter.com (Leonard Ritter) Date: Mon Jan 22 08:29:18 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Aldrin 0.9 and llvm In-Reply-To: <45B4B28C.60804@broadpark.no> References: <200701212145.54783.d_baron@012.net.il> <20070121212743.GC18580@replic.net> <20070122131812.435fdea3@SiRiUS.home> <45B4B28C.60804@broadpark.no> Message-ID: <1169472542.28112.5.camel@localhost> On Mon, 2007-01-22 at 13:48 +0100, Johannes Mario Ringheim wrote: > File "/usr/local/bin/../share/aldrin/zzub.py", line 22, in ? please clean your tree. there should be no zzub.py/libzzub.py/pylibzzub.py in aldrins directory. -- Leonard Ritter -- Freelance Art & Logic -- http://www.leonard-ritter.com From contact at leonard-ritter.com Mon Jan 22 08:31:25 2007 From: contact at leonard-ritter.com (Leonard Ritter) Date: Mon Jan 22 08:46:54 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Aldrin 0.9 and llvm In-Reply-To: <200701221518.43988.d_baron@012.net.il> References: <20070121235303.42D8A5E56FC3@music.columbia.edu> <200701221518.43988.d_baron@012.net.il> Message-ID: <1169472685.28112.9.camel@localhost> On Mon, 2007-01-22 at 15:18 +0200, David Baron wrote: > I think I already sent you this stuff. Not a new problem. thank you! where? > OK, I will get the redhat rpm and alien that into Debian (Ubuntu is built on > Debian) and see it that works. Since their binary names conflict with generic > ones like gcc (why did they do such a thing?), they must install somewhere > else and symlink to an llvm-gcc as per their instructions. How does the rpm > take care of this? i just unpacked this somewhere into my ~ dir, i didn't install it at all. -- Leonard Ritter -- Freelance Art & Logic -- http://www.leonard-ritter.com From contact at leonard-ritter.com Mon Jan 22 08:32:08 2007 From: contact at leonard-ritter.com (Leonard Ritter) Date: Mon Jan 22 08:48:23 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Aldrin 0.9 and llvm In-Reply-To: <20070122131812.435fdea3@SiRiUS.home> References: <200701212145.54783.d_baron@012.net.il> <20070121212743.GC18580@replic.net> <20070122131812.435fdea3@SiRiUS.home> Message-ID: <1169472728.28112.11.camel@localhost> On Mon, 2007-01-22 at 13:18 +0100, Thomas Kuther wrote: > scons LUNAR="False" configure which will turn off all the new plugins (and future ones). -- Leonard Ritter -- Freelance Art & Logic -- http://www.leonard-ritter.com From dlphillips at woh.rr.com Mon Jan 22 09:04:47 2007 From: dlphillips at woh.rr.com (Dave Phillips) Date: Mon Jan 22 09:06:57 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] This criticism of jackd valid? In-Reply-To: References: <20070121074600.5b0a4b88@stax.funkapus.org> <20070122070624.4f200cac@mistral.stie> <20070122071612.3f7dd347@mistral.stie> Message-ID: <45B4C47F.50107@woh.rr.com> Jay Vaughan wrote: > its clear from this thread that there simply aren't enough linux-audio > pimps making the rounds and hyping the scene. hands up who has been > making tons of music with linux lately? it sure would be nice to hear > a lot more from those folks, and maybe even be able to push it further > out into the mainstream as examples of doing it right with linux-audio .. Hi Jay, While I agree, I have to wonder what else we can do. The LAM site holds a fair amount of music made with Linux tools, and not too long ago I stocked the Internet Archive with a batch of recently-composed pieces. I have a few other sites dedicated to my music, but perhaps you can suggest ways of making all this stuff more visible ? Btw, I did continue monitoring the traffic for the /. thread re: music sequencing software for Linux. Same old same old. Paul got some good response, but overall I'd say the thread was a waste of everybody's time. The ignorance on /. regarding Linux audio development is simply too deep, and I see little indication that posters there want to do little but echo the same old mantras. Has any user on this list come here by being persuaded by what he or she has read on Slashdot ? Best, dp From d_baron at 012.net.il Mon Jan 22 08:53:23 2007 From: d_baron at 012.net.il (David Baron) Date: Mon Jan 22 09:11:20 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Aldrin 0.9 and llvm In-Reply-To: <20070121235303.42D8A5E56FC3@music.columbia.edu> References: <20070121235303.42D8A5E56FC3@music.columbia.edu> Message-ID: <200701221553.23641.d_baron@012.net.il> >> try some of the prepackaged binaries. i used the redhat ones with >> ubuntu. >OK, I will get the redhat rpm and alien that into Debian (Ubuntu is built on >Debian) and see it that works. Since their binary names conflict with generic >ones like gcc (why did they do such a thing?), they must install somewhere >else and symlink to an llvm-gcc as per their instructions. How does the rpm >take care of this? OK, this is not an rpm. The whole thing can be placed in home or /opt and used as one sees fit. Worst can happen is another segfault, I suppose :-) From d_baron at 012.net.il Mon Jan 22 09:21:56 2007 From: d_baron at 012.net.il (David Baron) Date: Mon Jan 22 09:32:42 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Aldrin 0.9 and llvm In-Reply-To: <20070121235303.42D8A5E56FC3@music.columbia.edu> References: <20070121235303.42D8A5E56FC3@music.columbia.edu> Message-ID: <200701221621.56451.d_baron@012.net.il> >>> try some of the prepackaged binaries. i used the redhat ones with >>> ubuntu. >>OK, I will get the redhat rpm and alien that into Debian (Ubuntu is built on >>Debian) and see it that works. Since their binary names conflict with generic >>ones like gcc (why did they do such a thing?), they must install somewhere >>else and symlink to an llvm-gcc as per their instructions. How does the rpm >>take care of this? >OK, this is not an rpm. The whole thing can be placed in home or /opt and used >as one sees fit. Worst can happen is another segfault, I suppose :-) Built aldrin. Started it up. No segfault (yet). Got the filepath error sited in an earlier post. I did not understand the reply to that one. How to fix? From jayv at synth.net Mon Jan 22 09:26:28 2007 From: jayv at synth.net (Jay Vaughan) Date: Mon Jan 22 09:33:27 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] This criticism of jackd valid? In-Reply-To: <45B4C47F.50107@woh.rr.com> References: <20070121074600.5b0a4b88@stax.funkapus.org> <20070122070624.4f200cac@mistral.stie> <20070122071612.3f7dd347@mistral.stie> <45B4C47F.50107@woh.rr.com> Message-ID: >While I agree, I have to wonder what else we can do. The LAM site >holds a fair amount of music made with Linux tools, and not too long >ago I stocked the Internet Archive with a batch of recently-composed >pieces. I have a few other sites dedicated to my music, but perhaps >you can suggest ways of making all this stuff more visible ? > I think there should be a more regular call for details about what people are up to with Linux audio tools .. like, every week, someone ought to ask "what have you guys been up to", and start keeping a bit of a blog on the subject. Sure, the LAM site contains such details, but I think it needs update and maintenance by the core Linux-audio users and producers more than just the guys who are trying to hold it all together. Perhaps we could arrange a "Linux-only" audio meet, some sort of conference a la the synth-diy UK meets, where folks come together for linux-only audio production in a friendly conference arrangement? >Btw, I did continue monitoring the traffic for the /. thread re: >music sequencing software for Linux. Same old same old. Paul got >some good response, but overall I'd say the thread was a waste of >everybody's time. Only for those concurrently watching the thread; but for sure, its going to be helpful to future generations of google-search'ers looking for details on such issues as were discussed, and in my opinion its good to have beefed up the counter-argument in that circumstance. Imagine that thread never got a response; without the real details being discussed, the google'ification of the web results in a stagnant conclusion.. >The ignorance on /. regarding Linux audio >development is simply too deep, and I see little indication that >posters there want to do little but echo the same old mantras. > Maybe we need a few "Linux-only audio producer" web-lables actively pimping the end results in order to make this passion felt by otheres .. >Has any user on this list come here by being persuaded by what he or >she has read on Slashdot ? > I've been on /. since it was chips&dips, I know how lunatic it can get .. but alas, I also am aware of the un-noticed influence it has as a result of google. -- ; Jay Vaughan From gimpel at sonnenkinder.org Mon Jan 22 09:41:00 2007 From: gimpel at sonnenkinder.org (Thomas Kuther) Date: Mon Jan 22 09:41:18 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Aldrin 0.9 and llvm In-Reply-To: <1169472728.28112.11.camel@localhost> References: <200701212145.54783.d_baron@012.net.il> <20070121212743.GC18580@replic.net> <20070122131812.435fdea3@SiRiUS.home> <1169472728.28112.11.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <20070122154100.5715cae2@SiRiUS.home> On Mon, 22 Jan 2007 14:32:08 +0100 Leonard Ritter wrote: > On Mon, 2007-01-22 at 13:18 +0100, Thomas Kuther wrote: > > scons LUNAR="False" configure > > which will turn off all the new plugins (and future ones). > Currently trying to ebuild llvm for the Gentoo proaudio overlay, but that might get hard - gcc-4.1.1 stable here. That's really a very very heavy depency, almost unacceptable. I understand that Aldrin w/o lunar, ladspa, dssi or anything is pretty pointless, right? Poor, i already see me doing a 'svn del media-sound/aldrin media-libs/libzzub' and gone it will be. Let's see. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://music.columbia.edu/pipermail/linux-audio-user/attachments/20070122/7d2216b5/signature.bin From dave at pawfal.org Mon Jan 22 09:42:44 2007 From: dave at pawfal.org (Dave Griffiths) Date: Mon Jan 22 09:42:56 2007 Subject: Advocacy (was: Re: [linux-audio-user] This criticism of jackd valid?) In-Reply-To: References: <20070121074600.5b0a4b88@stax.funkapus.org> <1169385317.3688.0.camel@box..lars> <20070122070624.4f200cac@mistral.stie> <20070122071612.3f7dd347@mistral.stie> Message-ID: <26276.217.18.21.2.1169476964.squirrel@webmail.pawfal.org> > its clear from this thread that there simply aren't enough > linux-audio pimps making the rounds and hyping the scene. hands up > who has been making tons of music with linux lately? it sure would > be nice to hear a lot more from those folks, and maybe even be able > to push it further out into the mainstream as examples of doing it > right with linux-audio .. We have a group here in London UK set up to do that in our own small way: http://www.pawfal.org/openlab/ Basically it's purpose is to put on events, performances and workshops showing people what can be done with free software, by actually getting out and doing it. It does seem (from anecdotal evidence) to work in getting people to go home and give it a try. I'd recommend this as a down to earth way of approaching advocacy. There are related organisations doing similar work such as goto10: http://www.goto10.org cheers, dave From bengan at kthnoc.net Mon Jan 22 09:45:51 2007 From: bengan at kthnoc.net (Bengt =?iso-8859-1?q?G=F6rd=E9n?=) Date: Mon Jan 22 09:47:19 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] This criticism of jackd valid? In-Reply-To: <45B4C47F.50107@woh.rr.com> References: <20070121074600.5b0a4b88@stax.funkapus.org> <45B4C47F.50107@woh.rr.com> Message-ID: <200701221545.52818.bengan@kthnoc.net> m?ndag 22 januari 2007 15:04 skrev Dave Phillips: > Btw, I did continue monitoring the traffic for the /. thread re: music > sequencing software for Linux. Same old same old. Paul got some good > response, but overall I'd say the thread was a waste of everybody's > time. The ignorance on /. regarding Linux audio development is simply > too deep, and I see little indication that posters there want to do > little but echo the same old mantras. To get visibility for LA[UD] the debate should be started by the LA[UD] side. Not the contrary. The problem is that people don't bother to read more than 1 or 2 comments. At least I do that and I concider myself sort of normal. I should say that I got tired of /. a few years ago so I'm not that up to date whats happening on there but I did read this article that we are talking about. So. Receipt for small success. Schedule a few articles on /. Especially articles from the people who develop software and people who use them. Not the debaters who debate for it's own sake. > Has any user on this list come here by being persuaded by what he or she > has read on Slashdot ? If you aske me, that is a definite no. regards, /bengan From contact at leonard-ritter.com Mon Jan 22 09:55:03 2007 From: contact at leonard-ritter.com (Leonard Ritter) Date: Mon Jan 22 09:55:18 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Aldrin 0.9 and llvm In-Reply-To: <200701221621.56451.d_baron@012.net.il> References: <20070121235303.42D8A5E56FC3@music.columbia.edu> <200701221621.56451.d_baron@012.net.il> Message-ID: <1169477703.28112.14.camel@localhost> On Mon, 2007-01-22 at 16:21 +0200, David Baron wrote: > Built aldrin. Started it up. No segfault (yet). Got the filepath error sited > in an earlier post. I did not understand the reply to that one. How to fix? have you unpacked and installed aldrin 0.9 on top of a previous installation? if yes, make sure that /usr/share/aldrin is empty before you install. -- Leonard Ritter -- Freelance Art & Logic -- http://www.leonard-ritter.com From contact at leonard-ritter.com Mon Jan 22 09:58:26 2007 From: contact at leonard-ritter.com (Leonard Ritter) Date: Mon Jan 22 09:58:36 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Aldrin 0.9 and llvm In-Reply-To: <20070122154100.5715cae2@SiRiUS.home> References: <200701212145.54783.d_baron@012.net.il> <20070121212743.GC18580@replic.net> <20070122131812.435fdea3@SiRiUS.home> <1169472728.28112.11.camel@localhost> <20070122154100.5715cae2@SiRiUS.home> Message-ID: <1169477906.28112.18.camel@localhost> On Mon, 2007-01-22 at 15:41 +0100, Thomas Kuther wrote: > I understand that Aldrin w/o lunar, ladspa, dssi or anything is > pretty pointless, right? actually, ladspa and dssi were not meant to be supported. i did the wrappers only for fun, in fact i think it's a terrible idea to have them at all. lunar is important, and llvm is a heavy dependency, i agree. perhaps i can swap llvm for gcc, which everybody should have... if you are interested in the reason why llvm is included at all, i can perhaps explain a little. -- Leonard Ritter -- Freelance Art & Logic -- http://www.leonard-ritter.com From georg.holzmann at student.kug.ac.at Mon Jan 22 10:00:54 2007 From: georg.holzmann at student.kug.ac.at (Georg Holzmann) Date: Mon Jan 22 09:59:27 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] another very cheap usb card ... In-Reply-To: <20070120160248.GJ29029@fliwatut.scifi> References: <45B2375C.4010602@student.kug.ac.at> <20070120160248.GJ29029@fliwatut.scifi> Message-ID: <45B4D1A6.6050305@student.kug.ac.at> Hallo Frank! >> I just found this very small and cheap card (something like 12?): >> >> http://www.speedlink.de/prod.php?lang=en&sys_id=8&pb_id=12&prod_num=SL-8850 >> http://www.speedlink.de/support.php?lang=en&view=1&sys_id=8&pb_id=12&prod_num=SL-8850 [..] > Seems to work: http://qbik.ch/usb/devices/showdev.php?id=3890 > although the driver linked there looks suspicious. Thanks for your research ... ;) It seems that the driver on this page is a typo - I wrote the person a mail, maybe he will answer ... LG Georg From renick at gmail.com Mon Jan 22 10:09:53 2007 From: renick at gmail.com (Renick Bell) Date: Mon Jan 22 10:10:38 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] This criticism of jackd valid? Message-ID: > Has any user on this list come here by being persuaded by what he or she > has read on Slashdot ? [meekly] me... I got hooked by a post long ago about Ardour. Despite its flaws, its still some publicity. Just because the comments can be crap doesn't mean that reasonable people, like the excellent company here, aren't reading it. They can sort out the signal from the noise at least some of the time. -- Renick Bell http://www.the3rd2nd.com From gimpel at sonnenkinder.org Mon Jan 22 10:16:31 2007 From: gimpel at sonnenkinder.org (Thomas Kuther) Date: Mon Jan 22 10:17:08 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Aldrin 0.9 and llvm In-Reply-To: <1169477906.28112.18.camel@localhost> References: <200701212145.54783.d_baron@012.net.il> <20070121212743.GC18580@replic.net> <20070122131812.435fdea3@SiRiUS.home> <1169472728.28112.11.camel@localhost> <20070122154100.5715cae2@SiRiUS.home> <1169477906.28112.18.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <20070122161631.7f7f40fe@SiRiUS.home> On Mon, 22 Jan 2007 15:58:26 +0100 Leonard Ritter wrote: > On Mon, 2007-01-22 at 15:41 +0100, Thomas Kuther wrote: > > I understand that Aldrin w/o lunar, ladspa, dssi or anything is > > pretty pointless, right? > > actually, ladspa and dssi were not meant to be supported. i did the > wrappers only for fun, in fact i think it's a terrible idea to have > them at all. > > lunar is important, and llvm is a heavy dependency, i agree. perhaps i > can swap llvm for gcc, which everybody should have... > > if you are interested in the reason why llvm is included at all, i can > perhaps explain a little. > Yes, I (and maybe others) would be interested. 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Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://music.columbia.edu/pipermail/linux-audio-user/attachments/20070122/a3f6c4c9/signature.bin From appleonkel at flashgrafik.de Mon Jan 22 10:28:08 2007 From: appleonkel at flashgrafik.de (Oliver Bengs) Date: Mon Jan 22 10:36:21 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Aldrin 0.9 and llvm In-Reply-To: <20070122161631.7f7f40fe@SiRiUS.home> References: <200701212145.54783.d_baron@012.net.il> <20070121212743.GC18580@replic.net> <20070122131812.435fdea3@SiRiUS.home> <1169472728.28112.11.camel@localhost> <20070122154100.5715cae2@SiRiUS.home> <1169477906.28112.18.camel@localhost> <20070122161631.7f7f40fe@SiRiUS.home> Message-ID: <20070122162808.0c417ee6@huygens.nasa> Thomas Kuther schrieb: > On Mon, 22 Jan 2007 15:58:26 +0100 > Leonard Ritter wrote: > > > On Mon, 2007-01-22 at 15:41 +0100, Thomas Kuther wrote: > > > I understand that Aldrin w/o lunar, ladspa, dssi or anything is > > > pretty pointless, right? > > > > actually, ladspa and dssi were not meant to be supported. i did the > > wrappers only for fun, in fact i think it's a terrible idea to have > > them at all. > > > > lunar is important, and llvm is a heavy dependency, i agree. > > perhaps i can swap llvm for gcc, which everybody should have... > > > > if you are interested in the reason why llvm is included at all, i > > can perhaps explain a little. > > > > Yes, I (and maybe others) would be interested. I never heard of it > before and am just starting to see what it is good for. > > Currently all i know about it is that it tends to cause massive > headaches for packagers and others trying to compile it :) > There isn't any llvm package on SuSE so I have to package llvm to? It is a little bit overkill for another sequenzer. For the moment i keep aldrin-0.8 and libzzub-0.1. From jri at broadpark.no Mon Jan 22 10:45:59 2007 From: jri at broadpark.no (Johannes Mario Ringheim) Date: Mon Jan 22 10:46:56 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Aldrin 0.9 and llvm In-Reply-To: <1169472685.28112.9.camel@localhost> References: <20070121235303.42D8A5E56FC3@music.columbia.edu> <200701221518.43988.d_baron@012.net.il> <1169472685.28112.9.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <45B4DC37.1060803@broadpark.no> Leonard Ritter wrote: > i just unpacked this somewhere into my ~ dir, i didn't install it at > all. This may be a dumb question, but: How do you tell scons where to find llvm? I tried scons --help, but couldn't find any option for setting the llvm dir. I've also tried with PREFIX and LIBDIR pointing to the llvm-dir, but it still searches for it in /usr/bin. Thanks for any further advice. -- Ringheims Auto - Fri musikk for bilstereo! http://ringheimsauto.org From paul at linuxaudiosystems.com Mon Jan 22 10:58:10 2007 From: paul at linuxaudiosystems.com (Paul Davis) Date: Mon Jan 22 11:04:13 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] This criticism of jackd valid? In-Reply-To: <20070121222147.0003d66b.mdeboer@iua.upf.edu> References: <20070121074600.5b0a4b88@stax.funkapus.org> <45B37500.3070808@woh.rr.com> <1169407673.446.214.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20070121222147.0003d66b.mdeboer@iua.upf.edu> Message-ID: <1169481490.446.241.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Sun, 2007-01-21 at 22:21 +0100, Maarten de Boer wrote: > Hi Paul > > I have a question about something you say in your slashdot post: > > "The overhead of calling the graph associated with the data flow for > the frames is not insignificant, even on contemporary processors. > Therefore, calling the graph the minimum number of times is of some > significance, significance that only grows as the latency is reduced. > Because of this, all existing designs, including ASIO and CoreAudio > (with the proviso that CoreAudio is *not* driven by the interrupt from > the audio interface) call the graph only once for every hardware buffer > segment/period/whatever." > > Do you have some numbers to show how relevant this overhead actually is? > I mean, if I use a specific internal buffer size (say 128 samples), > independend of the system buffer size, would that really be noticable? > I can think of some situations where this would be preferable. For > example, if you have many points in your callgraph where a fixed buffer > size is required (say some FFT's). Rather than doing buffering at all > these points, it seems to make more sense to do the whole callgraph > with that buffer size. I hope I make myself clear... > > I did some experiments, and did not notice any significant difference > using different internal buffer sizes for my call graph. I am talking > about a call graph within a single application, and maybe you were > talking about a call graph with context switches? both, really. if you get down to very, very small buffer sizes (say, 4), the overhead of making the function calls gets to be a significant fraction of the total time spent processing the audio. this is partly why running JACK with low buffer sizes shows the "DSP load" as significantly higher, even if almost nothing is happening. you will only see this effect with deep call trees. inside a single, simple app, the effect is probably hard to detect. but yes, because of context switches between clients, it becomes even more true in JACK. that effect is measurable and isn't tiny. --p From contact at leonard-ritter.com Mon Jan 22 11:00:42 2007 From: contact at leonard-ritter.com (Leonard Ritter) Date: Mon Jan 22 11:05:11 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Aldrin 0.9 and llvm (what it is about) In-Reply-To: <20070122161631.7f7f40fe@SiRiUS.home> References: <200701212145.54783.d_baron@012.net.il> <20070121212743.GC18580@replic.net> <20070122131812.435fdea3@SiRiUS.home> <1169472728.28112.11.camel@localhost> <20070122154100.5715cae2@SiRiUS.home> <1169477906.28112.18.camel@localhost> <20070122161631.7f7f40fe@SiRiUS.home> Message-ID: <1169481642.28112.31.camel@localhost> On Mon, 2007-01-22 at 16:16 +0100, Thomas Kuther wrote: > Yes, I (and maybe others) would be interested. I never heard of it > before and am just starting to see what it is good for. In my 7 years of experience using Buzz, I noticed that often there was a big hassle involved with sharing (often quite exotic) dsp plugins. Downloading a song for Buzz is usually not enough, you also require the machines associated with it, and until you get everything running, time passes. Lunar was designed to solve that problem by shipping sources and precompiled LLVM bytecode per plugin in each song, for all plugins required. Another user, regardless of platform and operating system, would then be able to open that song without having to acquire any additional dependencies. This way, songs saved as ccm modules could be shared back and forth without any additional dependencies, allowing quick collaboration. Even if plugins get updated, old songs would still carry all information neccessary to get them working. Legacy code would always be connected to the data that needs it. LLVM serves as a JIT-compiler, loading and translating the LLVM bytecode on runtime. LLVM-GCC is used to translate C++ code to LLVM bytecode. LLVM is currently being used by Apple to optimize their OpenGL pipeline, and considered a possible new default backend for the GNU compiler suite. > > Currently all i know about it is that it tends to cause massive > headaches for packagers and others trying to compile it :) LLVM is top notch bleeding edge stuff, and this is the first application that requires it. I could, alternatively, resort to shipping sources in songs only, and use GCC locally to compile on demand. However that approach would bring up issues related to sandboxing the code, and only languages supported by GCC could be used (where with LLVM, the compiler frontend does not matter). > > -- Leonard Ritter -- Freelance Art & Logic -- http://www.leonard-ritter.com From contact at leonard-ritter.com Mon Jan 22 11:01:43 2007 From: contact at leonard-ritter.com (Leonard Ritter) Date: Mon Jan 22 11:05:42 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Aldrin 0.9 and llvm In-Reply-To: <45B4DC37.1060803@broadpark.no> References: <20070121235303.42D8A5E56FC3@music.columbia.edu> <200701221518.43988.d_baron@012.net.il> <1169472685.28112.9.camel@localhost> <45B4DC37.1060803@broadpark.no> Message-ID: <1169481703.28112.33.camel@localhost> On Mon, 2007-01-22 at 16:45 +0100, Johannes Mario Ringheim wrote: > How do you tell scons where to find llvm? I tried scons --help, but > couldn't find any option for setting the llvm dir. I've also tried with > PREFIX and LIBDIR pointing to the llvm-dir, but it still searches for it > in /usr/bin. make sure you are in the libzzub 0.2 source tree and try scons configure. it should give you further instructions. -- Leonard Ritter -- Freelance Art & Logic -- http://www.leonard-ritter.com From ico at vt.edu Mon Jan 22 11:19:25 2007 From: ico at vt.edu (Ivica Ico Bukvic) Date: Mon Jan 22 11:27:02 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] This criticism of jackd valid? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <001c01c73e41$152e4a20$5cc652c6@64BitBadass> > I think there should be a more regular call for details about what > people are up to with Linux audio tools .. like, every week, someone > ought to ask "what have you guys been up to", and start keeping a bit > of a blog on the subject. Except, when you have such blogs scattered all across the internet, it does not do much good. Best wishes, Ico From mis at artengine.ca Mon Jan 22 12:17:28 2007 From: mis at artengine.ca (Michal Seta) Date: Mon Jan 22 12:18:25 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Audigy2 ZS Notebook capture support In-Reply-To: <200701151121.21839.njcross@sbcglobal.net> References: <20070115061718.4D6225B59FA6@music.columbia.edu> <200701151121.21839.njcross@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <87mz4brnfb.fsf@artengine.ca> njcross writes: > Thanks for the heads-up. I forgot about support for the Audigy2 ZS, which I > still own! Installing 1.0.14rc1 on your distro must involve breaking a lot of > deps - is there an easier way? hmm.. I think I did not follow up on this... I haven't really investigated an easier way because sometimes I get trigger-happy when I want something and the only way to get is to compile it on my own (and sometimes breaking dependiencies does not cross my mind until I have actually done so). So, after a little fiddling, and a new kernel I am still having issues with the Audigy2 ZS. Now, come to think of it, perhaps it is due to the fact that all apps were compiled with an older version of ALSA. First off, running with jack I get a lot of delay of 5721.000 usecs exceeds estimated spare time of 5713.000; restart .. type of messages. There are very few actual xruns, mostly when starting or stopping an app but I get thousands of these messages. The audio sounds fine, though, except for the occasional xrun, and even then, sometiumes it goes by unnoticed. On some occasions, however, a "distortion" slowly fades in and then it disappears (after a few seconds, sometimes switching desktops or minimizing a window stops it right away). I haven't really have the time to investigate thouroughly as I am in the middle of preparations for a show (besides my dayjob) so I can report what I have stumbled upon up until now. I think I've done all the real-time improving steps. current kernel: Linux potegowa 2.6.18-rt7 #1 PREEMPT Sat Jan 20 14:03:41 EST 2007 i686 GNU/Linux I figured that it was due to interrupts... In my first PCMCIA slot, the Audigy shares the interrupt with the radeon card (IRQ 4), in the second slot it get IRQ 5. I don't seem to be ble to change the IRQ ordering/numbering. After having fiddled with the BIOS some things got reassigned but the Audigy always shares IRQ 4 with radeon or IRQ 5 with yenta, which I understand is the PCMCIA hardware itself. cat /proc/interrupts CPU0 0: 2030171 XT-PIC [........N/ 0]-level timer 1: 7792 XT-PIC [........./ 0]-level i8042 2: 0 XT-PIC [........N/ 0]-level cascade 4: 783804 XT-PIC [........./ 0]-level uhci_hcd:usb2, yenta, eth0, radeon@pci:0000:01:00.0 5: 315306 XT-PIC [........./ 0]-level yenta, Intel 82801DB-ICH4, EMU10K1 6: 5 XT-PIC [........./ 1]-level floppy 7: 4 XT-PIC [..P....../ 0]-level parport0 8: 3 XT-PIC [........./ 0]-level rtc 9: 19219 XT-PIC [........./ 0]-level acpi, uhci_hcd:usb4, eth1 10: 0 XT-PIC [........./ 0]-level uhci_hcd:usb3 11: 0 XT-PIC [........./ 0]-level ehci_hcd:usb1 12: 59816 XT-PIC [........./ 0]-level i8042 14: 64779 XT-PIC [........./ 0]-level ide0 15: 225241 XT-PIC [........./ 0]-level ide1 NMI: 0 LOC: 0 ERR: 0 MIS: 0 I tried raising the IRQ 5 priority (and jack, too) but I get no real improvement. This is ubuntu Dapper, running on an IBM ThinkPad T40. I welcome any other ideas... Thanks. ./MiS From gimpel at sonnenkinder.org Mon Jan 22 12:31:57 2007 From: gimpel at sonnenkinder.org (Thomas Kuther) Date: Mon Jan 22 12:32:22 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Aldrin 0.9 and llvm (what it is about) In-Reply-To: <1169481642.28112.31.camel@localhost> References: <200701212145.54783.d_baron@012.net.il> <20070121212743.GC18580@replic.net> <20070122131812.435fdea3@SiRiUS.home> <1169472728.28112.11.camel@localhost> <20070122154100.5715cae2@SiRiUS.home> <1169477906.28112.18.camel@localhost> <20070122161631.7f7f40fe@SiRiUS.home> <1169481642.28112.31.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <20070122183157.30251c51@SiRiUS.home> On Mon, 22 Jan 2007 17:00:42 +0100 Leonard Ritter wrote: > On Mon, 2007-01-22 at 16:16 +0100, Thomas Kuther wrote: > > Yes, I (and maybe others) would be interested. I never heard of it > > before and am just starting to see what it is good for. > > In my 7 years of experience using Buzz, I noticed that often there > was a big hassle involved with sharing (often quite exotic) dsp > plugins. Downloading a song for Buzz is usually not enough, you also > require the machines associated with it, and until you get everything > running, time passes. > > Lunar was designed to solve that problem by shipping sources and > precompiled LLVM bytecode per plugin in each song, for all plugins > required. Another user, regardless of platform and operating system, > would then be able to open that song without having to acquire any > additional dependencies. This way, songs saved as ccm modules could be > shared back and forth without any additional dependencies, allowing > quick collaboration. > > Even if plugins get updated, old songs would still carry all > information neccessary to get them working. Legacy code would always > be connected to the data that needs it. > > LLVM serves as a JIT-compiler, loading and translating the LLVM > bytecode on runtime. LLVM-GCC is used to translate C++ code to LLVM > bytecode. > > LLVM is currently being used by Apple to optimize their OpenGL > pipeline, and considered a possible new default backend for the GNU > compiler suite. > > > > > Currently all i know about it is that it tends to cause massive > > headaches for packagers and others trying to compile it :) > > LLVM is top notch bleeding edge stuff, and this is the first > application that requires it. I could, alternatively, resort to > shipping sources in songs only, and use GCC locally to compile on > demand. However that approach would bring up issues related to > sandboxing the code, and only languages supported by GCC could be > used (where with LLVM, the compiler frontend does not matter). > Thanks very much for the explanation. Also reading llvm.org a bit and it seems like a good thing to have regarding optimizations. Regarding my process for llvm-gcc(4) and llvm Gentoo ebuilds.. I'm getting there slowly :) Might have been much easier to use the binary builds, but well, Gentoo.. "use the source if it's available" :) Regards, Tom -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://music.columbia.edu/pipermail/linux-audio-user/attachments/20070122/b7628967/signature.bin From mis at artengine.ca Mon Jan 22 12:36:57 2007 From: mis at artengine.ca (Michal Seta) Date: Mon Jan 22 12:37:13 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] This criticism of jackd valid? In-Reply-To: References: <20070121074600.5b0a4b88@stax.funkapus.org> <1169385317.3688.0.camel@box..lars> <20070122070624.4f200cac@mistral.stie> <20070122071612.3f7dd347@mistral.stie> Message-ID: <87hcujrmiu.fsf@artengine.ca> Hi, I have been making music with linux *only* for the past 6-7 years. Maybe 8... Well, granted, other things get involved, too, like voices, acoustic instruments and such, but the linux computer is used for FX, sampling and whatnot. I have also been teaching workshops to local artists (Canada - in Montreal and Ottawa, too), usually on linux and usually Pd. What I notice is that people are usually constantly busy with various projects and rather reluctant to drop all the tools they know and own completely to concentrate only on linux-based production. The curiosity is usually there but a leap from, say MacOSX to linux seems still too much to handle for those who just want to boot a computer and run (not to mention having to change habits related to use of this or that software for years). I notice the same issues in office work. I'm trying to push linux in my dayjob environment but so far without much real success other than sparking a little curiosity. As for mainstream, well, my music is not mainstream enough to push it through such channels. I suppose when people come to talk to me after a show they associate obscure music with obscure operating system, so sorry for blowing it for you :) As per Marshall MacLuhan, "Medium is the message." Perhaps it is so... But it sould work equally well for those who are into the mainstream. ./MiS http://www.creazone.ca Jay Vaughan writes: > its clear from this thread that there simply aren't enough linux-audio > pimps making the rounds and hyping the scene. hands up who has been > making tons of music with linux lately? it sure would be nice to hear > a lot more from those folks, and maybe even be able to push it further > out into the mainstream as examples of doing it right with linux-audio > .. > -- > > ; > > Jay Vaughan From idragosani at gmail.com Mon Jan 22 12:49:45 2007 From: idragosani at gmail.com (Brett W. McCoy) Date: Mon Jan 22 12:50:27 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] This criticism of jackd valid? In-Reply-To: <87hcujrmiu.fsf@artengine.ca> References: <20070121074600.5b0a4b88@stax.funkapus.org> <1169385317.3688.0.camel@box..lars> <20070122070624.4f200cac@mistral.stie> <20070122071612.3f7dd347@mistral.stie> <87hcujrmiu.fsf@artengine.ca> Message-ID: <18b65aac0701220949t4042b016lc5f7f978191e91d1@mail.gmail.com> On 22 Jan 2007 12:36:57 -0500, Michal Seta wrote: > Jay Vaughan writes: > > > its clear from this thread that there simply aren't enough linux-audio > > pimps making the rounds and hyping the scene. hands up who has been > > making tons of music with linux lately? it sure would be nice to hear > > a lot more from those folks, and maybe even be able to push it further > > out into the mainstream as examples of doing it right with linux-audio Raises hand... I use Linux exclusively for sequencing and recording (I have a second machine running XP that I use exclusively for plugins only, almost like a Receptor or Plugzilla kind of thing) ... my studio isn't 'mainstream' by any stretch of the imagination, but I am starting to record people other than myself, now that I have two isolation booths in my studio now and am aiming at going semi-pro. In fact, yesterday, I spent quite a few hours recording a band for their 5 song demo... 8 tracks recording all at once (via Delta1010) and not a single xrun in all that time. In fact, I don't remember the last time I got an xrun... I can't even say my DAW is exactly cutting edge, just a 1.4GHz Athlon Gentoo machine with 512M of RAM (and firewire drives). -- Brett ------------------------------------------------------------ "In the rhythm of music a secret is hidden; If I were to divulge it, it would overturn the world." -- Jelaleddin Rumi From jri at broadpark.no Mon Jan 22 12:56:58 2007 From: jri at broadpark.no (Johannes Mario Ringheim) Date: Mon Jan 22 12:59:34 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Aldrin 0.9 and llvm In-Reply-To: <1169481703.28112.33.camel@localhost> References: <20070121235303.42D8A5E56FC3@music.columbia.edu> <200701221518.43988.d_baron@012.net.il> <1169472685.28112.9.camel@localhost> <45B4DC37.1060803@broadpark.no> <1169481703.28112.33.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <45B4FAEA.3060504@broadpark.no> Leonard Ritter wrote: > make sure you are in the libzzub 0.2 source tree and try scons > configure. it should give you further instructions. Now I'm getting this: Checking for llvm-config in PATH... (cached) /usr/bin/llvm-config Checking for version of '/usr/bin/llvm-config --version'... (cached) 1.7-debian1 Error: LLVM 1.9 required. You need to install LLVM 1.9 from http://www.llvm.org The thing is also that after I installed LLVM (1.7) from the Edgy repos, the LLVM package now is broken and refuses to uninstall. Could this be a part of the problem..? -- Ringheims Auto - Fri musikk for bilstereo! http://ringheimsauto.org From rlrevell at joe-job.com Mon Jan 22 13:48:06 2007 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Mon Jan 22 13:48:48 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] This criticism of jackd valid? In-Reply-To: <200701221545.52818.bengan@kthnoc.net> References: <20070121074600.5b0a4b88@stax.funkapus.org> <45B4C47F.50107@woh.rr.com> <200701221545.52818.bengan@kthnoc.net> Message-ID: <75b66ecd0701221048x7c1e552cg2ff41d0f544b3926@mail.gmail.com> On 1/22/07, Bengt G?rd?n wrote: > At least I do that and I concider myself sort of normal. I > should say that I got tired of /. a few years ago so I'm not that up to date > whats happening on there but I did read this article that we are talking > about. > It's basically an Apple fanboy site these days. Lee From hitmuri at no-log.org Mon Jan 22 14:19:01 2007 From: hitmuri at no-log.org (hitmuri@no-log.org) Date: Mon Jan 22 14:21:40 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Problem with jack-rack and ladspa compressors plugins In-Reply-To: <52566.AQIGDV1bXXg=.1169237367.squirrel@webmail.no-log.org> References: <52566.AQIGDV1bXXg=.1169237367.squirrel@webmail.no-log.org> Message-ID: <64535.AQIGDV1bXXg=.1169493541.squirrel@webmail.no-log.org> Ok i managed to make it work, so if anyone has the same problem ... Looks like the problem was that i had set the attack in SC4 (there's probably the same problem with the other parameters) to 1.5, that is the extreme left of the slider. Maybe this is just a jack-rack bug, but if i set it to a value higher than 1.5, the plugin works directly after a restart. if this can help someone else... !! Flo > Hi everyone, > > I'm trying to use ladspa compressors plugins in jack-rack, in order to > compress the snares and the kicks coming from my sampler. > I tried the SC4 plugin and the CAPS compressor. Actually,I have the same > problem with both of them. > This is what i do: I set the compressor parameters in jack-rack (in order > to have a "BIG" sound !!! ) and i save the .rack file. But when i restart > jack-rack with this rack, the sound isn't processed at first, i need to > tweak all the sliders one by one to make it compress the sound again. > > Am i missing something ? Does anyone have the same problem ? > > Thanks > > Flo > From contact at leonard-ritter.com Mon Jan 22 14:31:31 2007 From: contact at leonard-ritter.com (Leonard Ritter) Date: Mon Jan 22 14:32:46 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Aldrin 0.9 and llvm In-Reply-To: <45B4FAEA.3060504@broadpark.no> References: <20070121235303.42D8A5E56FC3@music.columbia.edu> <200701221518.43988.d_baron@012.net.il> <1169472685.28112.9.camel@localhost> <45B4DC37.1060803@broadpark.no> <1169481703.28112.33.camel@localhost> <45B4FAEA.3060504@broadpark.no> Message-ID: <1169494291.5628.3.camel@localhost> On Mon, 2007-01-22 at 18:56 +0100, Johannes Mario Ringheim wrote: > The thing is also that after I installed LLVM (1.7) from the Edgy repos, > the LLVM package now is broken and refuses to uninstall. Could this be a > part of the problem..? oh yes, i remember that problem. i think i fixed it by removing a line in the script that caused the problem, but i forgot what it was. the conversation on this list has convinced me that llvm should be optional... i will add a gcc backend that allows to compile and use modules through gcc. > > -- Leonard Ritter -- Freelance Art & Logic -- http://www.leonard-ritter.com From linux-audio-user at music.columbia.edu Mon Jan 22 15:10:29 2007 From: linux-audio-user at music.columbia.edu (linux-audio-user@music.columbia.edu) Date: Mon Jan 22 15:11:16 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] hardware mixing - what it _actually_ is? Message-ID: <20070122221029.6ae5bcf4@localhost.localdomain> hi community. i am choosing a sound card for my new box, an i found myself totally obscured about such thing as hardware mixing. so, please help me to clarify: (0) what it _actually_ does? and (1) in particular, (how) can it help in live performance? some details: i'm choosind between echo (mia midi or gina 3g) and m-audio (delta series) cards. the only thing used for live performance is csound driven by hardware midi controllers. thanx in advance. p.s. yes, i did pretty much googling etc before writing here. -- sex, pot, open source!! From rlrevell at joe-job.com Mon Jan 22 15:15:22 2007 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Mon Jan 22 15:15:53 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] hardware mixing - what it _actually_ is? In-Reply-To: <20070122221029.6ae5bcf4@localhost.localdomain> References: <20070122221029.6ae5bcf4@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <75b66ecd0701221215n59889ab8h6b58a53b1a60d660@mail.gmail.com> On 1/22/07, ) - wrote: > hi community. > > i am choosing a sound card for my new box, an i found myself totally obscured about such thing as hardware mixing. so, please help me to clarify: > (0) what it _actually_ does? and > (1) in particular, (how) can it help in live performance? > > some details: i'm choosind between echo (mia midi or gina 3g) and m-audio (delta series) cards. the only thing used for live performance is csound driven by hardware midi controllers. Hardware mixing means that multiple applications can output sound at the same time without the need for a sound server or ALSA plugin to mix the streams in software. Basically nothing supports hardware mixing these days except the emu10k1 devices and some VIA onboard chipsets, because the hardware is designed around Windows which does software mixing in the kernel. For professional audio use hardware mixing is basically irrelevant because no pro interface supports it, and all apps will be using JACK which mixes the streams in software anyway. Lee From markknecht at gmail.com Mon Jan 22 15:22:46 2007 From: markknecht at gmail.com (Mark Knecht) Date: Mon Jan 22 15:22:59 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] hardware mixing - what it _actually_ is? In-Reply-To: <75b66ecd0701221215n59889ab8h6b58a53b1a60d660@mail.gmail.com> References: <20070122221029.6ae5bcf4@localhost.localdomain> <75b66ecd0701221215n59889ab8h6b58a53b1a60d660@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <5bdc1c8b0701221222m5e0f87a1u4412253aa35a72bc@mail.gmail.com> On 1/22/07, Lee Revell wrote: > > Basically nothing supports hardware mixing these days except the > emu10k1 devices and some VIA onboard chipsets, because the hardware is > designed around Windows which does software mixing in the kernel. > RME HDSP series? - Mark From folderol at ukfsn.org Mon Jan 22 15:59:26 2007 From: folderol at ukfsn.org (Folderol) Date: Mon Jan 22 15:59:48 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Nmmm nmmm (yawn) In-Reply-To: References: <20070122002549.0b4454cc@localhost> Message-ID: <20070122205926.15a6b423@localhost> On Mon, 22 Jan 2007 02:10:34 +0000 Adam Sampson wrote: > Folderol writes: > > > The drum I wanted to emulate is, I think, Irish in origin. It is a > > hand held drum and the single stick is double ended and leather > > padded, looking something like a dog bone. > > That's a bodhran -- have a look at: > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bodhr%C3%A1n Thanks for the info. It's very hard to look something up when you don't know what it's called, isn't it? -- Will J G From markknecht at gmail.com Mon Jan 22 16:14:59 2007 From: markknecht at gmail.com (Mark Knecht) Date: Mon Jan 22 16:15:23 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Nmmm nmmm (yawn) In-Reply-To: <20070122205926.15a6b423@localhost> References: <20070122002549.0b4454cc@localhost> <20070122205926.15a6b423@localhost> Message-ID: <5bdc1c8b0701221314x481a14d0p8de37917caf1f323@mail.gmail.com> On 1/22/07, Folderol wrote: > On Mon, 22 Jan 2007 02:10:34 +0000 > Adam Sampson wrote: > > > Folderol writes: > > > > > The drum I wanted to emulate is, I think, Irish in origin. It is a > > > hand held drum and the single stick is double ended and leather > > > padded, looking something like a dog bone. > > > > That's a bodhran -- have a look at: > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bodhr%C3%A1n > > Thanks for the info. It's very hard to look something up when you > don't know what it's called, isn't it? > > -- > Will J G > ;-) Nahh....it was easy. ;-) I tried this in Google: "Irish" "hand held drum""double ended" "leather padded" and got no links. Then I looked at the top of the page and I get one commercial link that says" "Huge Bodhran Sale" http://store.harp-bagpipe.com/bodhrans.html Interesting and fun stuff! - Mark From d_baron at 012.net.il Mon Jan 22 16:28:33 2007 From: d_baron at 012.net.il (David Baron) Date: Mon Jan 22 16:28:45 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Aldrin 0.9 Message-ID: <200701222328.33573.d_baron@012.net.il> Finally got Aldrin up and working (sort of). Also finally "got it" (only took from version 0.5). Lunar! The program cannot init any audio device, with or without jack running (only difference is an alsa-pcm item on the wave out prefs menu). Any ideas? From rlrevell at joe-job.com Mon Jan 22 16:41:43 2007 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Mon Jan 22 16:42:35 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] hardware mixing - what it _actually_ is? In-Reply-To: <5bdc1c8b0701221222m5e0f87a1u4412253aa35a72bc@mail.gmail.com> References: <20070122221029.6ae5bcf4@localhost.localdomain> <75b66ecd0701221215n59889ab8h6b58a53b1a60d660@mail.gmail.com> <5bdc1c8b0701221222m5e0f87a1u4412253aa35a72bc@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <75b66ecd0701221341va9953d0r6ad08cb069c2fc2d@mail.gmail.com> On 1/22/07, Mark Knecht wrote: > On 1/22/07, Lee Revell wrote: > > > > > Basically nothing supports hardware mixing these days except the > > emu10k1 devices and some VIA onboard chipsets, because the hardware is > > designed around Windows which does software mixing in the kernel. > > > > RME HDSP series? I don't have the hardware to check, but judging from the driver code this device does not support hardware mixing - the call to snd_pcm_new() in snd_hdsp_create_pcm() from hdsp.c specifies 1 playback and 1 capture substream. Lee From dsbaikov at gmail.com Mon Jan 22 16:56:02 2007 From: dsbaikov at gmail.com (Dmitry Baikov) Date: Mon Jan 22 16:58:28 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] hardware mixing - what it _actually_ is? In-Reply-To: <75b66ecd0701221341va9953d0r6ad08cb069c2fc2d@mail.gmail.com> References: <20070122221029.6ae5bcf4@localhost.localdomain> <75b66ecd0701221215n59889ab8h6b58a53b1a60d660@mail.gmail.com> <5bdc1c8b0701221222m5e0f87a1u4412253aa35a72bc@mail.gmail.com> <75b66ecd0701221341va9953d0r6ad08cb069c2fc2d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <70a871c80701221356h54db5213i37218de0db4e3752@mail.gmail.com> On 1/23/07, Lee Revell wrote: > I don't have the hardware to check, but judging from the driver code > this device does not support hardware mixing - the call to > snd_pcm_new() in snd_hdsp_create_pcm() from hdsp.c specifies 1 > playback and 1 capture substream. Yes, but it can play 18 pcm channels at once (Multiface at least) and can mix them and all inputs into any output ports. And not only hdsp, but all Echo Audio cards (8-pcm channels) and all Envy24-based cards. But, seems, it is not hw-mixing for alsa. Dmitry. From markknecht at gmail.com Mon Jan 22 16:58:50 2007 From: markknecht at gmail.com (Mark Knecht) Date: Mon Jan 22 17:01:21 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] hardware mixing - what it _actually_ is? In-Reply-To: <75b66ecd0701221341va9953d0r6ad08cb069c2fc2d@mail.gmail.com> References: <20070122221029.6ae5bcf4@localhost.localdomain> <75b66ecd0701221215n59889ab8h6b58a53b1a60d660@mail.gmail.com> <5bdc1c8b0701221222m5e0f87a1u4412253aa35a72bc@mail.gmail.com> <75b66ecd0701221341va9953d0r6ad08cb069c2fc2d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <5bdc1c8b0701221358v3e187075v1ff2b4741bec3bd8@mail.gmail.com> On 1/22/07, Lee Revell wrote: > On 1/22/07, Mark Knecht wrote: > > On 1/22/07, Lee Revell wrote: > > > > > > > > Basically nothing supports hardware mixing these days except the > > > emu10k1 devices and some VIA onboard chipsets, because the hardware is > > > designed around Windows which does software mixing in the kernel. > > > > > > > RME HDSP series? > > I don't have the hardware to check, but judging from the driver code > this device does not support hardware mixing - the call to > snd_pcm_new() in snd_hdsp_create_pcm() from hdsp.c specifies 1 > playback and 1 capture substream. > > Lee > The device does support hardware mixing. I can take inputs coming into the card and mix them directly with outputs coming from Alsa to create an output stream going to my monitors in real time with no latency with or without sending the inputs to Alsa for other uses. The magic is created by the hdspmixer application written with love and care by Thomas Charbonnel and initially debugged by Thomas & myself back in 2004 I think. (Maybe 2003) Hardware mixing works identically (well, very closely) for Win XP and Linux. Note that the big difference between the Hammerfall and HDSP lines was the addition of hardware mixing. Hope this clarifies things a bit. - Mark From linux-audio-user at music.columbia.edu Mon Jan 22 17:27:34 2007 From: linux-audio-user at music.columbia.edu (linux-audio-user@music.columbia.edu) Date: Mon Jan 22 17:28:39 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: hardware mixing - what it _actually_ is? In-Reply-To: <20070122214236.4BB5D5EBB8D1@music.columbia.edu> References: <20070122214236.4BB5D5EBB8D1@music.columbia.edu> Message-ID: <20070123002734.2ef38f4b@localhost.localdomain> > Basically nothing supports hardware mixing these days except the > emu10k1 devices and some VIA onboard chipsets, because the hardware is > designed around Windows which does software mixing in the kernel. hmm... alsa soundcard matrix lists pretty much cards as "hardware mixing supported". there are devices on yamaha YMF7xx, trident 4DWave, motorola 56361, aureal AU88x0, TI TMS320C67xx, and some others. so, hardware mixing seems to be supported on echo cards (motorola 56361), and unsupported on m-audio cards (envy24). > For professional audio use hardware mixing is basically irrelevant > because no pro interface supports it [...snip...] what interface(s) do you mean? -- sex, pot, open source!! From rlrevell at joe-job.com Mon Jan 22 17:29:16 2007 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Mon Jan 22 17:30:33 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] hardware mixing - what it _actually_ is? In-Reply-To: <5bdc1c8b0701221358v3e187075v1ff2b4741bec3bd8@mail.gmail.com> References: <20070122221029.6ae5bcf4@localhost.localdomain> <75b66ecd0701221215n59889ab8h6b58a53b1a60d660@mail.gmail.com> <5bdc1c8b0701221222m5e0f87a1u4412253aa35a72bc@mail.gmail.com> <75b66ecd0701221341va9953d0r6ad08cb069c2fc2d@mail.gmail.com> <5bdc1c8b0701221358v3e187075v1ff2b4741bec3bd8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <75b66ecd0701221429q267e4744o41352a02f4bf0492@mail.gmail.com> On 1/22/07, Mark Knecht wrote: > The device does support hardware mixing. I can take inputs coming into > the card and mix them directly with outputs coming from Alsa to create > an output stream going to my monitors in real time with no latency > with or without sending the inputs to Alsa for other uses. I think almost every pro and consumer card supports mixing of external inputs with the sound stream from the PC. "Hardware mixing" in ALSA terminology refers to the mixing of multiple sound sources from the PC by the hardware. For example, mplayer output and system notification sounds. Lee From rlrevell at joe-job.com Mon Jan 22 17:31:36 2007 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Mon Jan 22 17:32:46 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: hardware mixing - what it _actually_ is? In-Reply-To: <20070123002734.2ef38f4b@localhost.localdomain> References: <20070122214236.4BB5D5EBB8D1@music.columbia.edu> <20070123002734.2ef38f4b@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <75b66ecd0701221431k3aa5e47dva371ea4c1830a922@mail.gmail.com> On 1/22/07, ) - wrote: > hmm... alsa soundcard matrix lists pretty much cards as "hardware > mixing supported". there are devices on yamaha YMF7xx, trident 4DWave, > motorola 56361, aureal AU88x0, TI TMS320C67xx, and some others. I was referring to common devices. None of those you list are in widespread use - several are no longer manufactured or only used in embedded applications. Lee From mle+la at mega-nerd.com Mon Jan 22 17:55:42 2007 From: mle+la at mega-nerd.com (Erik de Castro Lopo) Date: Mon Jan 22 17:56:05 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Sample Rate Converter Comparison Message-ID: <20070123095542.adb57667.mle+la@mega-nerd.com> Hi all, SecretRabbitCode was recently included in a test of a number of commercially available sample rate converters and while it wasn't the best, it certainly didn't disgrace itself either. The results are here: http://src.infinitewave.ca/ This test gives me yet more incentive to continue my work on coming up with a new improved algorithm. I would also thank Ben Loftis of GWL (Harrison consoles) for hooking me up with the people running the tests so that the Rabbit could be included. Cheers, Erik -- -- +-----------------------------------------------------------+ Erik de Castro Lopo +-----------------------------------------------------------+ "Men who use terrorism as a means to power, rule by terror once they are in power." -- Helen Macinnes From markknecht at gmail.com Mon Jan 22 18:13:39 2007 From: markknecht at gmail.com (Mark Knecht) Date: Mon Jan 22 18:13:55 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] hardware mixing - what it _actually_ is? In-Reply-To: <75b66ecd0701221429q267e4744o41352a02f4bf0492@mail.gmail.com> References: <20070122221029.6ae5bcf4@localhost.localdomain> <75b66ecd0701221215n59889ab8h6b58a53b1a60d660@mail.gmail.com> <5bdc1c8b0701221222m5e0f87a1u4412253aa35a72bc@mail.gmail.com> <75b66ecd0701221341va9953d0r6ad08cb069c2fc2d@mail.gmail.com> <5bdc1c8b0701221358v3e187075v1ff2b4741bec3bd8@mail.gmail.com> <75b66ecd0701221429q267e4744o41352a02f4bf0492@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <5bdc1c8b0701221513t195ba56dude11789266029a09@mail.gmail.com> On 1/22/07, Lee Revell wrote: > On 1/22/07, Mark Knecht wrote: > > The device does support hardware mixing. I can take inputs coming into > > the card and mix them directly with outputs coming from Alsa to create > > an output stream going to my monitors in real time with no latency > > with or without sending the inputs to Alsa for other uses. > > I think almost every pro and consumer card supports mixing of external > inputs with the sound stream from the PC. > > "Hardware mixing" in ALSA terminology refers to the mixing of multiple > sound sources from the PC by the hardware. For example, mplayer > output and system notification sounds. > > Lee > OK, fine. The HDSP family easily supports that. I have 18 outputs from Alsa. I have 18 inputs from hardware inputs. I have 18 outputs going to monitors, headphones and other computers. In the HDSP 9652, for each and every one of the 18 outputs I can mix individually mix, in any combination, any of the 18 Alsa outputs with any combination of the 18 hardware inputs creating 18 individual hardware mixes. Each of the 18 outputs has 36 input sources. For example, I can have mplayer going to outputs 1& 2, aqualung going to 3&4, ardour going to 5&6 and Xine going to 7&8. I can create any mix of these that I wish and route it to any of the outputs. All mixes are independant of all other mixes. The HDSP 9652 supports 'hardware mixing' just fine. - Mark From pw_lists at slinkp.com Mon Jan 22 18:41:31 2007 From: pw_lists at slinkp.com (Paul Winkler) Date: Mon Jan 22 18:41:47 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] hardware mixing - what it _actually_ is? In-Reply-To: <75b66ecd0701221429q267e4744o41352a02f4bf0492@mail.gmail.com> References: <20070122221029.6ae5bcf4@localhost.localdomain> <75b66ecd0701221215n59889ab8h6b58a53b1a60d660@mail.gmail.com> <5bdc1c8b0701221222m5e0f87a1u4412253aa35a72bc@mail.gmail.com> <75b66ecd0701221341va9953d0r6ad08cb069c2fc2d@mail.gmail.com> <5bdc1c8b0701221358v3e187075v1ff2b4741bec3bd8@mail.gmail.com> <75b66ecd0701221429q267e4744o41352a02f4bf0492@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20070122234131.GC7353@slinkp.com> On Mon, Jan 22, 2007 at 05:29:16PM -0500, Lee Revell wrote: > "Hardware mixing" in ALSA terminology refers to the mixing of multiple > sound sources from the PC by the hardware. For example, mplayer > output and system notification sounds. Yeah. I suspect (and Mark apparently did, too) that the original poster meant to ask about hardware monitoring, which is completely different :-) Explanation here: http://ardour.org/manual/recording/monitoring That's what the RME and ice1712 cards (among others) support... Ardour is the only app I use that has any use for this feature. This requires software to control the soundcard's onboard monitor mixer. "Normal" ALSA mixers such as alsamixer will not do the job. For the ice1712 cards, the app that does this is "envy24control". -- Paul Winkler http://www.slinkp.com From jamesmstone at gmail.com Mon Jan 22 18:53:29 2007 From: jamesmstone at gmail.com (James Stone) Date: Mon Jan 22 18:53:42 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] clicks without xruns Message-ID: <20070122235329.GA5875@moon.base> Hi everyone, I was just wondering if someone might be able to shed some light on a problem I have.. I sometimes notice audio clicks which are not picked up as xruns.. One particularly easy one to reproduce is using the dssi~ plugin for pd. If I send the dssi show message, play a note and then switch between workspaces, there is a noticable glitch in the sound.. This is probably best heard with whysynth and having the patch edit gui open (under edit in the dssi gui). I notice similar glitches at other times in other programs, although they are not usually too intrusive... Any ideas? I'm running a non-rt kernel although I am pretty happy with its performance (2.6.18).. I tried to roll my own rt kernel today but hit some networking problems which I have not had time to properly troubleshoot... Are there any reasonable precompiled rt images for debian/ubuntu available at present? Best wishes, James From markknecht at gmail.com Mon Jan 22 19:58:13 2007 From: markknecht at gmail.com (Mark Knecht) Date: Mon Jan 22 19:58:26 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] hardware mixing - what it _actually_ is? In-Reply-To: <20070122234131.GC7353@slinkp.com> References: <20070122221029.6ae5bcf4@localhost.localdomain> <75b66ecd0701221215n59889ab8h6b58a53b1a60d660@mail.gmail.com> <5bdc1c8b0701221222m5e0f87a1u4412253aa35a72bc@mail.gmail.com> <75b66ecd0701221341va9953d0r6ad08cb069c2fc2d@mail.gmail.com> <5bdc1c8b0701221358v3e187075v1ff2b4741bec3bd8@mail.gmail.com> <75b66ecd0701221429q267e4744o41352a02f4bf0492@mail.gmail.com> <20070122234131.GC7353@slinkp.com> Message-ID: <5bdc1c8b0701221658u42f95b88u6c5a2131265a1a27@mail.gmail.com> On 1/22/07, Paul Winkler wrote: > On Mon, Jan 22, 2007 at 05:29:16PM -0500, Lee Revell wrote: > > "Hardware mixing" in ALSA terminology refers to the mixing of multiple > > sound sources from the PC by the hardware. For example, mplayer > > output and system notification sounds. > > Yeah. I suspect (and Mark apparently did, too) that the original > poster meant to ask about hardware monitoring, which is completely > different :-) > > Explanation here: > http://ardour.org/manual/recording/monitoring > > That's what the RME and ice1712 cards (among others) support... > Ardour is the only app I use that has any use for this feature. > > This requires software to control the soundcard's onboard monitor > mixer. "Normal" ALSA mixers such as alsamixer will not do the job. > For the ice1712 cards, the app that does this is "envy24control". > > -- > > Paul Winkler > http://www.slinkp.com > Yes, although I was thinking about both. In the case of the original poster, independent of what he actually asked I suspect that hardware monitoring is what would make the biggest difference in using a sound card in a real recording session. I know in my work that has pretty much always been true. Hardware mixing, using Lee's definition, isn't all that interesting to me since multiple ALSA sound sources can be mixed in Jack pretty much as easily, albeit you probably cannot get as many mixes actually out to the sound card as you can create in the card itself. None the less, even if I mix ALSA sources as Lee was suggesting I find that I'm pretty much always mixing something else in at the card. Is that just me? I often mix almost everything that's live at the time in at the card level, including vocals. Vocals come in dry and go out immediately to a hardware reverb to get a wet mix for headphones. The dry version goes on to the system to be recorded, whereas the wet version is what the singer hears. This allows me to use any reverb setting they are happy with but still preserve the dry vocal for later mixing. I do not really consider the above scenario 'hardware monitoring' although I can see how others might, since I use the hardware mixer to insert the vocals into the stream being played by the computer. Zero latency, happy singers, etc. One other possibility that occurred to me over my afternoon tea break was that possibly Lee was making reference to whether the hardware mixing capabilities are exposed at the system level so that they can be controlled by ALSA apps. Thomas and I had discussions about this when hdspmixer was written. For reasons of his own he chose on purpose not to expose these features to also so as far as I know the only way to control them is with hdspmixer. This is the same as in Windows to the best of my knowledge. Hope this helps, Mark From ram at hydrophones.com Mon Jan 22 20:51:48 2007 From: ram at hydrophones.com (ram) Date: Mon Jan 22 20:52:04 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: hardware mixing Message-ID: <20070123015148.26614.qmail@bne004wm.server-mail.com> I can confirm the RME HDSP 9632 cards and add-ons also support hardware mixing. They work really well too I may add. From rlrevell at joe-job.com Mon Jan 22 21:13:48 2007 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Mon Jan 22 21:26:48 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: hardware mixing In-Reply-To: <20070123015148.26614.qmail@bne004wm.server-mail.com> References: <20070123015148.26614.qmail@bne004wm.server-mail.com> Message-ID: <75b66ecd0701221813v4afbf1a6m67496408ee537283@mail.gmail.com> On 1/22/07, ram wrote: > I can confirm the RME HDSP 9632 cards and add-ons also support hardware mixing. > They work really well too I may add. I stand corrected. Mark was right - these devices do have hardware mixing, they just implement it in an odd way, probably to keep the interface similar to other OS. Lee From paul at linuxaudiosystems.com Mon Jan 22 22:10:32 2007 From: paul at linuxaudiosystems.com (Paul Davis) Date: Mon Jan 22 22:10:55 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: hardware mixing In-Reply-To: <75b66ecd0701221813v4afbf1a6m67496408ee537283@mail.gmail.com> References: <20070123015148.26614.qmail@bne004wm.server-mail.com> <75b66ecd0701221813v4afbf1a6m67496408ee537283@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1169521832.446.283.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Mon, 2007-01-22 at 21:13 -0500, Lee Revell wrote: > On 1/22/07, ram wrote: > > I can confirm the RME HDSP 9632 cards and add-ons also support hardware mixing. > > They work really well too I may add. > > I stand corrected. Mark was right - these devices do have hardware > mixing, they just implement it in an odd way, probably to keep the > interface similar to other OS. its not true to say that with ALSA, they support what is commonly understood as h/w mixing. you cannot do independent open's of several subdevices and get the output of each subdevice mixed down to the outputs. yes, they do have a very powerful h/w matrix mixer, but it is not accessible via a series of independent subdevices. it also is not supported by the ALSA mixer API at this time. --p From contact at leonard-ritter.com Tue Jan 23 04:28:19 2007 From: contact at leonard-ritter.com (Leonard Ritter) Date: Tue Jan 23 04:29:26 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Aldrin 0.9 In-Reply-To: <200701222328.33573.d_baron@012.net.il> References: <200701222328.33573.d_baron@012.net.il> Message-ID: <1169544499.7095.3.camel@localhost> On Mon, 2007-01-22 at 23:28 +0200, David Baron wrote: > Finally got Aldrin up and working (sort of). Also finally "got it" (only took > from version 0.5). Lunar! 0.5? > The program cannot init any audio device, with or without jack running (only > difference is an alsa-pcm item on the wave out prefs menu). make sure that no other sound daemon like esd or artsd is running. right now there is no dmix-support. please also let me know about any suspicious output from the program. -- Leonard Ritter -- Freelance Art & Logic -- http://www.leonard-ritter.com From ivalladt at gmail.com Tue Jan 23 07:15:06 2007 From: ivalladt at gmail.com (Ismael Valladolid Torres) Date: Tue Jan 23 07:15:28 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Why jackd can't get realtime? Message-ID: <1169554506.23469.58.camel@ivalladolid.hi.inet> When running jackd trying to get realtime I get: $ jackd -R -d alsa (...) cannot use real-time scheduling (FIFO at priority 20) [for thread -1228579920, from thread -1228579920] (1: Operation not permitted) cannot use real-time scheduling (FIFO at priority 10) [for thread -1236972624, from thread -1236972624] (1: Operation not permitted) However I thought everything was set up properly on my Debian sid: $ uname -r 2.6.19.1-rt15 $ grep PREEMPT_RT /boot/config-`uname -r` CONFIG_PREEMPT_RT=3Dy $ dpkg -s libpam-modules | grep Version Version: 0.79-4 $ tail /etc/security/limits.conf # there is no way to say "allow locking all memory", 4G should be enough # * - rt_priority 0 * - nice 0 # @audio - rt_priority 100 @audio - nice -10 @audio - memlock 4000000 # End of file Any ideas welcome. Cordially, Ismael -- Ismael Valladolid Torres m. +34679156321 La media hostia j. ivalladt@jabberes.org http://lamediahostia.blogspot.com/ From v2 at iki.fi Tue Jan 23 07:55:17 2007 From: v2 at iki.fi (Sampo Savolainen) Date: Tue Jan 23 07:59:18 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Why jackd can't get realtime? Message-ID: <1169556917.45b605b5b3954@www3.helsinki.fi> Quoting Ismael Valladolid Torres : > When running jackd trying to get realtime I get: > > $ jackd -R -d alsa > (...) > cannot use real-time scheduling (FIFO at priority 20) [for thread > -1228579920, from thread -1228579920] (1: Operation not permitted) > cannot use real-time scheduling (FIFO at priority 10) [for thread > -1236972624, from thread -1236972624] (1: Operation not permitted) > > ... > > # > * - rt_priority 0 > * - nice 0 > # > @audio - rt_priority 100 The limit is often referred as "rtprio" not "rt_priority", but they might be aliases for the same thing.. Does your user belong to the group "audio", and did it belong to the group when you logged in? Was this limits.conf setup in place when you logged in? Which version of libpam do you have installed? Sampo From dlphillips at woh.rr.com Tue Jan 23 08:17:42 2007 From: dlphillips at woh.rr.com (Dave Phillips) Date: Tue Jan 23 08:04:52 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] interview with Rui Nuno Capela Message-ID: <45B60AF6.7030700@woh.rr.com> Greetings: I've placed online an interview with Rui Capela, the creator of QJackCtl, QSynth, QSampler, and QTractor. You can read it here: http://www.linuxjournal.com Enjoy! Best, dp From dlphillips at woh.rr.com Tue Jan 23 08:59:54 2007 From: dlphillips at woh.rr.com (Dave Phillips) Date: Tue Jan 23 08:45:22 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] video card redux Message-ID: <45B614DA.9030901@woh.rr.com> Greetings: Just a quick note to praise the nVidia 7600GS video card I put in the AMD64 box yesterday. I bought a fanless model manufactured by Gigabyte, I have a Gigabyte mobo so I figured the fit should be perfect. I had no trouble with installing or configuring the card. Actually there was no configuration step at all: I use nVidia's driver, which recognized the card immediately. Btw, this card replaced an nVidia 7300GS-based card, for which the driver was already installed. There were some cheaper versions of the 7600GS but I decided to go for one at about $130 (US). Since it's fanless there's absolutely no noise, and at last I have a quiet machine. Best, dp From markknecht at gmail.com Tue Jan 23 08:58:34 2007 From: markknecht at gmail.com (Mark Knecht) Date: Tue Jan 23 08:58:46 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: hardware mixing In-Reply-To: <1169521832.446.283.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <20070123015148.26614.qmail@bne004wm.server-mail.com> <75b66ecd0701221813v4afbf1a6m67496408ee537283@mail.gmail.com> <1169521832.446.283.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <5bdc1c8b0701230558h7d911bf4l1ae78009c56bf934@mail.gmail.com> On 1/22/07, Paul Davis wrote: > On Mon, 2007-01-22 at 21:13 -0500, Lee Revell wrote: > > On 1/22/07, ram wrote: > > > I can confirm the RME HDSP 9632 cards and add-ons also support hardware mixing. > > > They work really well too I may add. > > > > I stand corrected. Mark was right - these devices do have hardware > > mixing, they just implement it in an odd way, probably to keep the > > interface similar to other OS. > > its not true to say that with ALSA, they support what is commonly > understood as h/w mixing. Is there a commonly understood meaning? I guess I'm uncommonly (or commonly for me) in the dark about that. > you cannot do independent open's of several > subdevices and get the output of each subdevice mixed down to the > outputs. This seems a Linux Software Developer centric statement. What does it mean? Is this a hardwired limitation of the hardware, or is it a limitation of the current ALSA driver for the HDSP cards? > > yes, they do have a very powerful h/w matrix mixer, but it is not > accessible via a series of independent subdevices. it also is not > supported by the ALSA mixer API at this time. > This sounds like it's a limitation of the card so it wouldn't ever work? Even under Windows or OSX? What cards do support (under ALSA) a "series of independent subdevices" which can then be output and then mixed in hardware? Thanks, Mark From d_baron at 012.net.il Tue Jan 23 09:35:53 2007 From: d_baron at 012.net.il (David Baron) Date: Tue Jan 23 09:49:06 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Aldrin 0.9 In-Reply-To: <20070123130452.023155EF962C@music.columbia.edu> References: <20070123130452.023155EF962C@music.columbia.edu> Message-ID: <200701231635.53968.d_baron@012.net.il> On Tuesday 23 January 2007 15:04, linux-audio-user-request@music.columbia.edu wrote: > > Finally got Aldrin up and working (sort of). Also finally "got it" (only > > took from version 0.5). Lunar! > > 0.5? Maybe 0.6:-) > > > The program cannot init any audio device, with or without jack running > > (only difference is an alsa-pcm item on the wave out prefs menu). > > make sure that no other sound daemon like esd or artsd is running. right > now there is no dmix-support. please also let me know about any > suspicious output from the program. The only telling output is about bad samplerate 44100, (same as in jackd, only one on the card, I'm afraid) or device busy (nothing else to my knowledge running) The latency was also identical to that in jack setup and jack will start, so .... BTW: All choices but alsa-pcm for jackd running WILL be busy (jack will take them). Most programs init a jack client which may be manually or automatically connected to the available alsa-pcm. The audio devices dropdown not really relevant for jack. For non-jack, hw:0 should be available/ /dev/dsp should also work using alsa-oss emulation. Right now, none work. I am using realtime-lsm and am in the 29-audio group. Should not need to but must one do something about that SUID bit that gets set in most music program setups? From d_baron at 012.net.il Tue Jan 23 09:42:13 2007 From: d_baron at 012.net.il (David Baron) Date: Tue Jan 23 09:53:20 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Aldrin 0.9, more In-Reply-To: <20070123130452.023155EF962C@music.columbia.edu> References: <20070123130452.023155EF962C@music.columbia.edu> Message-ID: <200701231642.13993.d_baron@012.net.il> >Right now, none work. I am using realtime-lsm and am in the 29-audio group. >Should not need to but must one do something about that SUID bit that gets >set in most music program setups? Running sudo WILL init /dev/dsp with no jack. Did not hear anything from the sample project, however. With jack, sudo will not show the alsa-pcm and no jack clients show up. From paul at linuxaudiosystems.com Tue Jan 23 10:24:07 2007 From: paul at linuxaudiosystems.com (Paul Davis) Date: Tue Jan 23 10:29:33 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: hardware mixing In-Reply-To: <5bdc1c8b0701230558h7d911bf4l1ae78009c56bf934@mail.gmail.com> References: <20070123015148.26614.qmail@bne004wm.server-mail.com> <75b66ecd0701221813v4afbf1a6m67496408ee537283@mail.gmail.com> <1169521832.446.283.camel@localhost.localdomain> <5bdc1c8b0701230558h7d911bf4l1ae78009c56bf934@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1169565847.446.309.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Tue, 2007-01-23 at 05:58 -0800, Mark Knecht wrote: > On 1/22/07, Paul Davis wrote: > > On Mon, 2007-01-22 at 21:13 -0500, Lee Revell wrote: > > > On 1/22/07, ram wrote: > > > > I can confirm the RME HDSP 9632 cards and add-ons also support hardware mixing. > > > > They work really well too I may add. > > > > > > I stand corrected. Mark was right - these devices do have hardware > > > mixing, they just implement it in an odd way, probably to keep the > > > interface similar to other OS. > > > > its not true to say that with ALSA, they support what is commonly > > understood as h/w mixing. > > Is there a commonly understood meaning? I guess I'm uncommonly (or > commonly for me) in the dark about that. a few years ago there were lots of consumer cards that allowed you to open them up to, say, 32 times. the card would mix each stream to the outputs. this has all been abandoned in favor of s/w mixing now. > > you cannot do independent open's of several > > subdevices and get the output of each subdevice mixed down to the > > outputs. > > This seems a Linux Software Developer centric statement. What does it mean? it means that you can have up to N apps all using the same card without any s/w mixing going on. each one calls snd_pcm_open() which internally calls snd_pcm_open_subdevice() and assuming the subdevices are not all busy, it will work. a subdevice is a "stream" that always sends its signal to the outputs associated with the PCM device, but can be opened and closed independently. > Is this a hardwired limitation of the hardware, or is it a limitation > of the current ALSA driver for the HDSP cards? well, it could be argued either way. the channels in the HDSP could be represented as subdevices (there is an OSS driver that Guenter Geiger wrote that does this), but the HDSP channels are much less independent than a typical subdevice - they run at the same rate, format etc. and cannot be stopped and started independently. > > yes, they do have a very powerful h/w matrix mixer, but it is not > > accessible via a series of independent subdevices. it also is not > > supported by the ALSA mixer API at this time. > > > > This sounds like it's a limitation of the card so it wouldn't ever > work? Even under Windows or OSX? Actually, the drivers for Windows does allow this. Can't recall if the OS X driver does - it might. > What cards do support (under ALSA) a "series of independent > subdevices" which can then be output and then mixed in hardware? My main example is a Trident card - a relatively cheap "high end consumer card" that had 32 subdevices, 4 channel out + S/PDIF for about US$60 ... I think that several Ensoniq cards and even a few of the Creatives could do this as well. --p From pw_lists at slinkp.com Tue Jan 23 11:48:21 2007 From: pw_lists at slinkp.com (Paul Winkler) Date: Tue Jan 23 11:48:36 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] hardware mixing - what it _actually_ is? In-Reply-To: <5bdc1c8b0701221658u42f95b88u6c5a2131265a1a27@mail.gmail.com> References: <20070122221029.6ae5bcf4@localhost.localdomain> <75b66ecd0701221215n59889ab8h6b58a53b1a60d660@mail.gmail.com> <5bdc1c8b0701221222m5e0f87a1u4412253aa35a72bc@mail.gmail.com> <75b66ecd0701221341va9953d0r6ad08cb069c2fc2d@mail.gmail.com> <5bdc1c8b0701221358v3e187075v1ff2b4741bec3bd8@mail.gmail.com> <75b66ecd0701221429q267e4744o41352a02f4bf0492@mail.gmail.com> <20070122234131.GC7353@slinkp.com> <5bdc1c8b0701221658u42f95b88u6c5a2131265a1a27@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20070123164821.GA7306@slinkp.com> On Mon, Jan 22, 2007 at 04:58:13PM -0800, Mark Knecht wrote: > I often mix almost everything that's live at the time in at the > card level, including vocals. Vocals come in dry and go out > immediately to a hardware reverb to get a wet mix for headphones. The > dry version goes on to the system to be recorded, whereas the wet > version is what the singer hears. This allows me to use any reverb > setting they are happy with but still preserve the dry vocal for later > mixing. Heh. Vocal monitor reverb is a bit of a special case... Even having no hardware reverb here, I can get a similar effect by: * Using hardware monitoring for the dry vocal. * Adding a send from the vocal track(s) in Ardour to a bus * Adding 100% wet reverb to the bus. * Mixing a bit of the bus output to the hardware output feeding the headphones. This works because reverb is fairly unique in that a bit of predelay on the effect is actually desirable, and buffer latency is as good a source of predelay as any :-) I haven't tried it with a very large jackd buffer though. > I do not really consider the above scenario 'hardware monitoring' > although I can see how others might, since I use the hardware mixer to > insert the vocals into the stream being played by the computer. Zero > latency, happy singers, etc. Shrug. Sounds like the definition of hardware monitoring to me. -- Paul Winkler http://www.slinkp.com From songshop at bizmedia.com.au Tue Jan 23 16:05:16 2007 From: songshop at bizmedia.com.au (Geoff Beasley) Date: Tue Jan 23 17:07:08 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] netjack & jackdmp ? Message-ID: <200701240805.16674.songshop@bizmedia.com.au> it seems netjack won't build against jackdmp. It won't for me anyway. Does anyone have netjack working with jackdmp ? I get an error when i try to build; something about jack_micoseconds_something.. sorry, i didn't write it down at the time :( best, g. From rncbc at rncbc.org Tue Jan 23 18:17:26 2007 From: rncbc at rncbc.org (Rui Nuno Capela) Date: Tue Jan 23 18:11:36 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] interview with Rui Nuno Capela In-Reply-To: <45B60AF6.7030700@woh.rr.com> References: <45B60AF6.7030700@woh.rr.com> Message-ID: <45B69786.9070301@rncbc.org> Dave Phillips wrote: > Greetings: > > I've placed online an interview with Rui Capela, the creator of > QJackCtl, QSynth, QSampler, and QTractor. You can read it here: > > http://www.linuxjournal.com > > Enjoy! > Gee. Thanks Dave. Is not that usual one having his own name on a LJ article's title. I think I'll faint now #-) Cheers! -- rncbc aka Rui Nuno Capela rncbc@rncbc.org From capocasa at gmx.net Tue Jan 23 18:56:02 2007 From: capocasa at gmx.net (Carlo Capocasa) Date: Tue Jan 23 19:00:36 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: video card redux In-Reply-To: <45B614DA.9030901@woh.rr.com> References: <45B614DA.9030901@woh.rr.com> Message-ID: > There were some cheaper versions of the 7600GS but I decided to go for > one at about $130 (US). Since it's fanless there's absolutely no noise, > and at last I have a quiet machine. Quiet machine! Quiet machine? Quiet machine??? I'm going to cry now. This is my geek-opera's moistest dream. Now how could I get a quiet laptop? Carlo PS: Congratulations! From ico at vt.edu Tue Jan 23 19:14:52 2007 From: ico at vt.edu (Ivica Ico Bukvic) Date: Tue Jan 23 19:15:03 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: video card redux In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000b01c73f4c$ab4dde60$0202a8c0@64BitBadass> > Now how could I get a quiet laptop? I got one of those lying around. It is so quiet you don't even know it is on. There is a small problem however, and that is I was unable to get it to post ever since it got this quiet last spring... This laptop could be yours just for three easy payments 299.95 plus shipping and handling ;-). Now let's hope this doesn't get caught by the spam filter. Ico From ken at restivo.org Tue Jan 23 23:16:56 2007 From: ken at restivo.org (Ken Restivo) Date: Tue Jan 23 23:18:57 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] This criticism of jackd valid? In-Reply-To: <1169481490.446.241.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <20070121074600.5b0a4b88@stax.funkapus.org> <45B37500.3070808@woh.rr.com> <1169407673.446.214.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20070121222147.0003d66b.mdeboer@iua.upf.edu> <1169481490.446.241.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <20070124041656.GA20899@bc.restivo.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Mon, Jan 22, 2007 at 10:58:10AM -0500, Paul Davis wrote: > On Sun, 2007-01-21 at 22:21 +0100, Maarten de Boer wrote: > > Hi Paul > > > > I have a question about something you say in your slashdot post: > > > > "The overhead of calling the graph associated with the data flow for > > the frames is not insignificant, even on contemporary processors. > > Therefore, calling the graph the minimum number of times is of some > > significance, significance that only grows as the latency is reduced. > > Because of this, all existing designs, including ASIO and CoreAudio > > (with the proviso that CoreAudio is *not* driven by the interrupt from > > the audio interface) call the graph only once for every hardware buffer > > segment/period/whatever." > > > > Do you have some numbers to show how relevant this overhead actually is? > > I mean, if I use a specific internal buffer size (say 128 samples), > > independend of the system buffer size, would that really be noticable? > > I can think of some situations where this would be preferable. For > > example, if you have many points in your callgraph where a fixed buffer > > size is required (say some FFT's). Rather than doing buffering at all > > these points, it seems to make more sense to do the whole callgraph > > with that buffer size. I hope I make myself clear... > > > > I did some experiments, and did not notice any significant difference > > using different internal buffer sizes for my call graph. I am talking > > about a call graph within a single application, and maybe you were > > talking about a call graph with context switches? > > both, really. > > if you get down to very, very small buffer sizes (say, 4), the overhead > of making the function calls gets to be a significant fraction of the > total time spent processing the audio. this is partly why running JACK > with low buffer sizes shows the "DSP load" as significantly higher, even > if almost nothing is happening. you will only see this effect with deep > call trees. inside a single, simple app, the effect is probably hard to > detect. > > but yes, because of context switches between clients, it becomes even > more true in JACK. that effect is measurable and isn't tiny. > > By coincidence, I was just experimenting with this a few hours ago, before reading this. I'm puzzled-- and a bit worried-- by the difference between the high CPU load with small -p values vs. low CPU load with high -p values. It turns out it makes a significant difference on my system. If I load up a couple fluidsynth instances, ardour, hydrogen, and rosegarden, and then jack-rack, running a single processing chain of CAPS Tube Amp IV, CAPS Cabinet II, TAP Autopanner, and CAPS Plate 2x2 Reverb (this is my Rhodes piano sound), then my CPU usage goes up to 50% with -p 64 -n 2, and absolutely nothing actually being played. With -p 1024 -n 3 the CPU usage was about 8%. When my system was working, I was using -p 256 -n 3, which was passable for most purposes although a little too laggy. This is a Mac Mini Intel Core Duo 1.66Mhz, 2GB RAM, and FA-66 audio interface with FreeBOB, running 2.6.19.1-rt15 and jack 0.101.1-2. It looks like it might another system tuning complication now: if I lower my latency, I will get Xruns and bad crackles due to too much CPU usage. - -ken -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFFtt24e8HF+6xeOIcRAgJPAKD1rPtwn/BoSp9T5MDul/st7GiH8QCg5oDr 2LIoj4qWQy5UGeM47Qc6cuo= =ARq+ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From linuxmedia4 at netscape.net Wed Jan 24 00:36:36 2007 From: linuxmedia4 at netscape.net (linuxmedia4@netscape.net) Date: Wed Jan 24 00:37:03 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Where's the weak link? Message-ID: <45B6F064.6040208@netscape.net> I either found the culprit of the xruns, or I found the *main* one. But I have a question... I noticed that the xruns were every 20 seconds. So I went to KDE Control Center -> Power Control -> Laptop Battery... and changed "Check status every: 20sec" to "Check status every: 1sec". I started Qjackctl... and as suspected... there was one xrun per second. I couldn't shut off "Battery Polling" in KDE Control Center, so I set it to a ridiculously high number and the "regular" xruns stopped. I wanted to completely shut off "Battery Polling", and I was under the impression that this was controlled by "apm". So I set it back to "1 second polling" and went to System -> Services and disabled "apmd". That didn't effect the nibbling at the hard drive every second, but it stopped creating an xrun every second. Although there still were "regular" xruns. Does anyone have any idea how to disable "Battery Polling"? Thanks, Rocco From lars.luthman at gmail.com Wed Jan 24 02:54:06 2007 From: lars.luthman at gmail.com (Lars Luthman) Date: Wed Jan 24 02:55:00 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Linux software feature matrix Message-ID: <1169625246.11545.3.camel@box..lars> Please fill in empty cells and add programs that you know about: http://lau.linuxaudio.org/faq/index.php/FeatureMatrix --ll -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part Url : http://music.columbia.edu/pipermail/linux-audio-user/attachments/20070124/116a1564/attachment.bin From letz at grame.fr Wed Jan 24 04:08:02 2007 From: letz at grame.fr (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?St=E9phane_Letz?=) Date: Wed Jan 24 04:08:26 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: netjack & jackdmp ? (Geoff Beasley) In-Reply-To: <20070123231136.2B9605F2D332@music.columbia.edu> References: <20070123231136.2B9605F2D332@music.columbia.edu> Message-ID: <8DF5B931-6AC6-4421-865C-189A2CC1248B@grame.fr> > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 7 > Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2007 08:05:16 +1100 > From: Geoff Beasley > Subject: [linux-audio-user] netjack & jackdmp ? > To: torbenh@gmx.de > Cc: linux-audio-user@music.columbia.edu > Message-ID: <200701240805.16674.songshop@bizmedia.com.au> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > it seems netjack won't build against jackdmp. It won't for me > anyway. Does > anyone have netjack working with jackdmp ? I get an error when i > try to > build; something about jack_micoseconds_something.. sorry, i didn't > write it > down at the time :( > > best, > > g. > netjack won't built directly. The backend implementation in a bit different in (C++) jackdmp thus the initial C netjack backend would have to be adapted. Moreover netjack need to access some internal part of the transport stuff that is not yet "cleanly" exposed (neither in jackd or jackdmp) But contributions are always welcomed ((-: Stephane From linux-audio-user at music.columbia.edu Wed Jan 24 06:51:01 2007 From: linux-audio-user at music.columbia.edu (linux-audio-user@music.columbia.edu) Date: Wed Jan 24 06:52:32 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: hardware mixing - what it _actually_ is? In-Reply-To: <20070123231135.DC98F5F2D321@music.columbia.edu> References: <20070123231135.DC98F5F2D321@music.columbia.edu> Message-ID: <20070124135101.2d5eb535@localhost.localdomain> > > > "Hardware mixing" in ALSA terminology refers to the mixing of multiple > > > sound sources from the PC by the hardware. For example, mplayer > > > output and system notification sounds. > > > > Yeah. I suspect (and Mark apparently did, too) that the original > > poster meant to ask about hardware monitoring, which is completely > > different :-) > > > > Explanation here: > > http://ardour.org/manual/recording/monitoring well, i asked about hardware _mixing_, since it is pretty obscure thing, unlike hardware _monitoring_ :) > Is there a commonly understood meaning? I guess I'm uncommonly (or > commonly for me) in the dark about that. that's troo :) > > I stand corrected. Mark was right - these devices do have hardware > > mixing, they just implement it in an odd way, probably to keep the > > interface similar to other OS. > > its not true to say that with ALSA, they support what is commonly > understood as h/w mixing. you cannot do independent open's of several > subdevices and get the output of each subdevice mixed down to the > outputs. > > yes, they do have a very powerful h/w matrix mixer, but it is not > accessible via a series of independent subdevices. it also is not > supported by the ALSA mixer API at this time. > > > you cannot do independent open's of several > > > subdevices and get the output of each subdevice mixed down to the > > > outputs. > > > > This seems a Linux Software Developer centric statement. What does it mean? > > it means that you can have up to N apps all using the same card without > any s/w mixing going on. each one calls snd_pcm_open() which internally > calls snd_pcm_open_subdevice() and assuming the subdevices are not all > busy, it will work. a subdevice is a "stream" that always sends its > signal to the outputs associated with the PCM device, but can be opened > and closed independently. ok. this clarifies things enough. so, if i use only one app (csound), seems like there's no need to care about this hardware mixing thing. thanx again. -- sex, pot, open source!! From contact at leonard-ritter.com Wed Jan 24 07:26:41 2007 From: contact at leonard-ritter.com (Leonard Ritter) Date: Wed Jan 24 07:39:53 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Aldrin 0.9, more In-Reply-To: <200701231642.13993.d_baron@012.net.il> References: <20070123130452.023155EF962C@music.columbia.edu> <200701231642.13993.d_baron@012.net.il> Message-ID: <1169641601.5563.3.camel@localhost> On Tue, 2007-01-23 at 16:42 +0200, David Baron wrote: > With jack, sudo will not show the alsa-pcm and no jack clients show up. right. a bit of output would still be nice. what was that bit about 0.5 or 0.6? what did you do with it? i did not understand. -- Leonard Ritter -- Freelance Art & Logic -- http://www.leonard-ritter.com From capocasa at gmx.net Wed Jan 24 08:44:22 2007 From: capocasa at gmx.net (Carlo Capocasa) Date: Wed Jan 24 08:56:28 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Tuning Jack: Please help me prioritize IRQ 10 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Duh, that was really silly. Sorry to bother you guys about something that turns out to be so trivial, it really seemed like legit issue to me... Apparently, I was using a non-patched kernel thinking it was a realtime kernel. Carlo Carlo Capocasa wrote: > Hi all! > > Florian Schmidt was kind enought to point out that I can increase my > system performance by increasing the priority of both the Jack daemon > and the IRQ that my trusty'ol bebob device is hitched to. > > I temporarily gave up on putting the device onto another IRQ and will > leaving that up to the kernel developers to sort out; what I am > interested in right now is how to increase the priority of IRQ 10 on my > system. > > Florian suggested simply increasing the priority of the 'IRQ 10' > interrupt handling process; but on my system, there is no interrupt > handling process 'IRQ 10', or for any other IRQ, for that matter. > > How can I increase the priority of 'IRQ 10' on my Debian based system? > > Help much appreciated. > > Carlo > > PS: upping JackD priority alone took care of 60% of xruns; thanks Florian! > > From capocasa at gmx.net Wed Jan 24 09:17:16 2007 From: capocasa at gmx.net (Carlo Capocasa) Date: Wed Jan 24 09:19:34 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: video card redux In-Reply-To: <000b01c73f4c$ab4dde60$0202a8c0@64BitBadass> References: <000b01c73f4c$ab4dde60$0202a8c0@64BitBadass> Message-ID: > I got one of those lying around. It is so quiet you don't even know it is > on. There is a small problem however, and that is I was unable to get it to > post ever since it got this quiet last spring... > > This laptop could be yours just for three easy payments currency>299.95 plus shipping and handling ;-). > > Now let's hope this doesn't get caught by the spam filter. What karma. I'm using sales pitches to 'motivate' freebob developers and the head of the linux audio consortium personally tries to sell me a dead laptop. It really seems that justice is inherent in our very existence. Carlo From jouni.rinne at luukku.com Wed Jan 24 15:02:29 2007 From: jouni.rinne at luukku.com (Jouni Rinne) Date: Wed Jan 24 15:15:50 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Glashctl behaviour Message-ID: <45B7BB55.8040402@luukku.com> I have a slight problem with glashctl... If I start it with jackd *not* running, it behaves as expected: jackd (via qjackctl) and lashd can be started and stopped at will, and stopping jackd also stops lashd, but leaves the functioning glashctl in the system tray. But if I start glashctl with jackd already running, and then stop jackd, glashctl dies also (i.e. the icon disappears from system tray). I suppose this behaviour is not intentional? This happens on a Gentoo system, with glashctl-0.4.2, lash-0.5.2, jack-audio-connection-kit-0.102.20, gcc-4.1.1 etc. JR -- | me@home ~$whoami ^ ^ | "Trust me, I know what I'm doing!" | | Jouni 'Mad Max' Rinne ('x') | - Sledge Hammer | | me@home ~$man woman C " " | -------[ph34r t3h p3Ngu1n]-------- | | Segmentation fault (core dumped) | :: Last.fm user ID: l33tmmx :: | From fbar at footils.org Wed Jan 24 16:55:22 2007 From: fbar at footils.org (Frank Barknecht) Date: Wed Jan 24 17:11:47 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: video card redux In-Reply-To: References: <45B614DA.9030901@woh.rr.com> Message-ID: <20070124215522.GA14455@fliwatut.scifi> Hallo, Carlo Capocasa hat gesagt: // Carlo Capocasa wrote: > > There were some cheaper versions of the 7600GS but I decided to go for > > one at about $130 (US). Since it's fanless there's absolutely no noise, > > and at last I have a quiet machine. > > Quiet machine! Quiet machine? Quiet machine??? I'm going to cry now. > This is my geek-opera's moistest dream. > > Now how could I get a quiet laptop? By buying one? Quiet laptops are not hard to find. Most Intel laptops with Intel GFX cards (Centrino etc.) are very quiet. E.g. my MSI S260 Centrino 1.6Ghz is completely silent unless it's really under load, then the fan kicks in (at 60?C) which is healthy. But normally I only get this high load when I'm running complex Pd patches, and these are loud anyways. ;) Oh, and the DVD drive is very noisy, but I've never seen a silent DVD drive and I can live with that. Quiet PC graphics cards are easy as well. A favorite among audio people is the Matrox G450 or G550, which starts at about 10 Euro on auction sites including shipping, and has very good open source drivers. (Kjetil doesn't like them, though, so the mileage may vary, but I run only Gxxx cards for years now.) Ciao -- Frank Barknecht _ ______footils.org_ __goto10.org__ From marcospcmusica at gmail.com Wed Jan 24 15:27:54 2007 From: marcospcmusica at gmail.com (Marcos Guglielmetti) Date: Wed Jan 24 19:27:22 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Musix is being used at Joe Wilson Intermediate School in Cedar Hill, Texas, USA Message-ID: <200701242127.55740.marcospcmusica@gmail.com> Article: http://www.musix.org.ar/wordpress/?p=53 Musix is being used at Joe Wilson Intermediate School in Cedar Hill, Texas, USA The school teacher Marilyn Hagle (marilyn.hagle [ ? ] chisd.com) is using Musix in her lessons of music at Joe Wilson Intermediate School in Cedar Hill, Texas, USA. ?I am a 5th/6th grade general music teacher and use bootable Musix CDs in our computer lab with students once a week. It rocks! First the students work on the easy rhythm practice exercises in Solfege. Then we go to the Hydrogen Drum Machine program and the students write their own rhythm patterns. I have each class for only twelve weeks a year. This twelve weeks term we are going to try compose a melody and add percussion to it. Note Edit would be the easiest to use with this age group, but in the .5 version it doesn?t load the synthesizer consistantly (could be user error of course :) ). I am downloading your latest release right now, so maybe that will have a fix.? We are working to debug this problem, maybe related to Timidity. ?It might interest you to know that the students are now working on composing percussion accompaniments in Hydrogen for the program. We will be singing our school song, ?The Lion Sleeps Tonight,? and playing a melody from Beethoven?s 9th Symphony on our recorders . . . all with Hydrogen accompaniments. :)? She have taught also in Minnesota and Chicago, her BA is in music and her MA in media communications, also she is certified to teach music and technology applications in Texas. Well, boys, another woman using GNU/Linux! But, ?sadly?, she is married ;) Marilyn started using computers in the classroom in 1982, she moved to Free Software in 1998, and she thinks educators are crazy or lazy for not using GNU+Linux. Just a last note? Mar