From k.s.matheussen at notam02.no Thu Mar 1 02:34:55 2007 From: k.s.matheussen at notam02.no (Kjetil S. Matheussen) Date: Thu Mar 1 02:35:17 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] composing with trackers In-Reply-To: References: <20070228141531.E71A76DDBF95@music.columbia.edu> Message-ID: On Wed, 28 Feb 2007, Kjetil Svalastog Matheussen wrote: > > Kjetil Svalastog Matheussen: > >> Sure, almost all of my music at >> http://www.notam02.no/~kjetism/mp3/ are made with trackers, using >> octamed or radium. There's no dance beat music in there. > ^^^^^^^ > > The amiga version, that is. Not that useless windows version. > Oops, I shouldn't have written that. Its not useless, but lacks the extension language support, which makes the amiga octamed a very special tracker. I think any program who offers a descent extension language support will increase its life-span significantly. From dsbaikov at gmail.com Thu Mar 1 04:37:42 2007 From: dsbaikov at gmail.com (Dmitry Baikov) Date: Thu Mar 1 04:38:31 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Two other tracks In-Reply-To: <20070228230915.64be720b@localhost> References: <20070217211957.GC2764@localhost> <70a871c80702281436w5695fab3jef2d87c2bf7a7abd@mail.gmail.com> <20070228230915.64be720b@localhost> Message-ID: <70a871c80703010137m78187c71r62b2cc36f91a18a6@mail.gmail.com> On 3/1/07, Folderol wrote: > No argument with your comment, but can you give more idea in which way > others of us are lacking. It would give us all a better chance of > improving. Sure. From now on I'll try to comment on tracks even if I dislike them :) Regards, Dmitry. From atte.jensen at gmail.com Thu Mar 1 05:07:41 2007 From: atte.jensen at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Atte_Andr=E9_Jensen?=) Date: Thu Mar 1 05:07:56 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] lv2dynparam In-Reply-To: <877iu2xsdp.fsf@arnaudov.name> References: <45D7353B.9050002@gmail.com> <87wt2gikys.fsf@arnaudov.name> <45D802B9.4000103@gmail.com> <87wt2f2zfi.fsf@arnaudov.name> <45D8873A.9080309@gmail.com> <87abzbtf08.fsf@arnaudov.name> <45D8D0D2.4010700@gmail.com> <87tzxjrqz6.fsf@arnaudov.name> <45E553E5.6050208@gmail.com> <87fy8qblnf.fsf@arnaudov.name> <45E56A0D.6000106@gmail.com> <87bqjezawg.fsf@arnaudov.name> <45E5863C.8020501@gmail.com> <877iu2xsdp.fsf@arnaudov.name> Message-ID: <45E6A5ED.10203@gmail.com> Nedko Arnaudov wrote: > zynjacku is JACK application and thus uses JACK MIDI. Unfortunately JACK > MIDI appeared in version 0.102.20. Thanks, but no thanks... I'll stop it here (I love playing music too much to spend time on blowing up my box). I plan to install debian/stable on another partition when that's released. Maybe I'll build jack from svn on top of that then... I'll get back if (when!) I get into trouble at that point. Thanks for your help so far. -- peace, love & harmony Atte http://www.atte.dk | quintet: http://www.anagrammer.dk | compositions: http://www.atte.dk/compositions From atte.jensen at gmail.com Thu Mar 1 05:36:43 2007 From: atte.jensen at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?B?QXR0ZSBBbmRyw6kgSmVuc2Vu?=) Date: Thu Mar 1 05:36:55 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Two other tracks In-Reply-To: <70a871c80703010137m78187c71r62b2cc36f91a18a6@mail.gmail.com> References: <20070217211957.GC2764@localhost> <70a871c80702281436w5695fab3jef2d87c2bf7a7abd@mail.gmail.com> <20070228230915.64be720b@localhost> <70a871c80703010137m78187c71r62b2cc36f91a18a6@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <45E6ACBB.8060603@gmail.com> Dmitry Baikov wrote: > On 3/1/07, Folderol wrote: >> No argument with your comment, but can you give more idea in which way >> others of us are lacking. It would give us all a better chance of >> improving. > > Sure. From now on I'll try to comment on tracks even if I dislike them :) I never comment on tracks I don't like (I hardly do when I like it). But let me take this opportunity to say: Some of the most inspiring music I'm hearing these days are coming from this and similar (csound/pd/supercollider) lists. -- peace, love & harmony Atte http://www.atte.dk | quintet: http://www.anagrammer.dk | compositions: http://www.atte.dk/compositions From t_w_ at freenet.de Thu Mar 1 08:52:03 2007 From: t_w_ at freenet.de (Thorsten Wilms) Date: Thu Mar 1 08:52:57 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Wiki for Linux Sound & MIDI Software In-Reply-To: <45E5BDA2.2000405@gareus.org> References: <45E5BDA2.2000405@gareus.org> Message-ID: <20070301135203.GB5472@charly.SWORD> On Wed, Feb 28, 2007 at 06:36:34PM +0100, Robin Gareus wrote: > > http://apps.linuxaudio.org/ > > We are looking for interested people to contribute at various levels and Very nice to see something happening! Rough logo concept: http://thorwil.affenbande.org/index.php/2007/03/01/appslinuxaudioorg-01/ If people like it, I will tweak the damn 's' and make a version with colour, gradients and stuff ;) -- Thorsten Wilms Thorwil's Creature Illustrations: http://www.printfection.com/thorwil From rj at spamatica.se Thu Mar 1 09:06:14 2007 From: rj at spamatica.se (Robert Jonsson) Date: Thu Mar 1 09:08:02 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] dual-core and jack question In-Reply-To: <1172703423.15206.10.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <45E58994.6060409@gmail.com> <20070228144904.GE2845@localhost> <45E60171.3000107@gmail.com> <1172703423.15206.10.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <45E6DDD6.3090001@spamatica.se> Hi, Paul Davis skrev: > On Wed, 2007-02-28 at 23:25 +0100, Atte Andr? Jensen wrote: > >> Yves Potin wrote: >> >>> This is completely transparent for the user and the applications >>> and works great, without any problem or particular setup (maybe for a >>> single dual core processor a SMP kernel is required). >>> >> Ok that sounds good. How is it decided which app is running on which >> core and can a running app (realtime audio) switch core? >> > scheduling of processes on an SMP system is essentially completely > transparent to the user and the processes. > > there are some tricks in modern linux systems that can be used to > circumvent the normal decisions of the operating system's scheduler, but > in general these are not going to be useful unless you really, really > know what you are doing. > > --p > Possibly I'm missing something here, but I was under the impression that to _really_ utilize a dual core system you need to use Jackdmp. Jackd will only use one core. The other core won't be without work though, there's plenty of work to redraw gui's and what not. Someone do correct me if I'm wrong. Regards, Robert From hardbop200 at gmail.com Thu Mar 1 09:10:38 2007 From: hardbop200 at gmail.com (Josh Lawrence) Date: Thu Mar 1 09:11:23 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] probs compiling dssi-vst 0.4 Message-ID: Hello - I attempted to send this to the dssi-devel, and it didn't show up, so I'm posting it here to see if anyone has the answer. I am attempting to compile dssi-vst on dyne:bolic. I am running the latest wine (0.9.31), and the latest vstsdk (2.4, rev 2). When I attempt make, I receive this error: [d:b] ~/compile/dssi-vst-0.4 #make 1:50 wineg++ -I./vstsdk2.4/pluginterfaces/vst2.x -Wall dssi-vst-server.cpp -o dssi-vst-server -lpthread -L. -lremoteplugin dssi-vst-server.cpp: In member function `virtual void RemoteVSTServer::hideGUI()': dssi-vst-server.cpp:566: warning: unused variable 'fd' dssi-vst-server.cpp: In function `VstIntPtr hostCallback(AEffect*, VstInt32, VstInt32, VstIntPtr, void*, float)': dssi-vst-server.cpp:739: error: `audioMasterPinConnected' undeclared (first use this function) dssi-vst-server.cpp:739: error: (Each undeclared identifier is reported only once for each function it appears in.) winegcc: g++ failed. make: *** [dssi-vst-server.exe.so] Error 2 zsh: 7462 exit 2 make Can anyone help me understand this error so I can chase it down? Thank you, -- Josh Lawrence http://www.hardbop200.com From paul at linuxaudiosystems.com Thu Mar 1 09:18:19 2007 From: paul at linuxaudiosystems.com (Paul Davis) Date: Thu Mar 1 09:18:55 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] dual-core and jack question In-Reply-To: <45E6DDD6.3090001@spamatica.se> References: <45E58994.6060409@gmail.com> <20070228144904.GE2845@localhost> <45E60171.3000107@gmail.com> <1172703423.15206.10.camel@localhost.localdomain> <45E6DDD6.3090001@spamatica.se> Message-ID: <1172758699.15206.34.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Thu, 2007-03-01 at 15:06 +0100, Robert Jonsson wrote: > Possibly I'm missing something here, but I was under the impression that > to _really_ utilize a dual core system you need to use Jackdmp. > Jackd will only use one core. The other core won't be without work > though, there's plenty of work to redraw gui's and what not. > Someone do correct me if I'm wrong. no, thats basically correct. in jackd, the JACK threads of every client will be serialized. this means that audio processing will happen on one CPU at a time (not necessarily the same one). as you said, however, this hardly means that the other CPU(s) are idle, they just don't get used for audio processing. note that jackdmp can only use more than 1 CPU if there are parallel data flows in the audio connections. for example, this will not use multiple cores: freqtweak -> sooperlooper -> timemachine neither will ardour -> jamin however, this will: zynaddsubfx ----+ | +------> ardour | bristol --------+ audio data processing is rarely as inherently parallel as, say, graphics. --p From badmuthahubbard at gmail.com Thu Mar 1 09:44:12 2007 From: badmuthahubbard at gmail.com (Chuckk Hubbard) Date: Thu Mar 1 09:44:30 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] composing with trackers In-Reply-To: <45E57BCC.30203@woh.rr.com> References: <45E57BCC.30203@woh.rr.com> Message-ID: <8200bab70703010644w6370ad4en174962ed55b2d2dc@mail.gmail.com> I've used very few trackers. I think I was turned off that the default is for all notes to be the same length, and that changing the number of beats in any measure seemed kind of involved. If you've never written music, and you don't own any instruments, and you open a program for the first time that shows you 8 divisions per measure with a steady beat, you'll probably make a lot of music before you discover what other options are available. Multiply this by a million users, and you've got the makings of a long-term association with RDM (retarded dance music). Try entering Debussy into a tracker and see how intuitive it is; and yet the music itself is very easy to listen to. I bet people's music would be far more beautiful if they would sing freely and often and then transcribe what they were singing, instead of transcribing before the music even exists. Or maybe it's just a case where the number of people who write good music is less than the number of people who write bad music in general? -Chuckk On 2/28/07, Dave Phillips wrote: > Greetings: > > I have no idea if anyone's ever used a tracker to create a hit song, but > it is unfortunate that trackers are usually associated with a particular > style of music. I have heard some very cool stuff in module formats, > though I'll agree that most of the music-made-with-trackers that I've > heard tends towards rather uninteresting dance beat music. I don't > believe that trackers necessarily impose any kind of style restriction, > you can bend them into doing non-beat oriented stuff. Kuno's "Substantia > Grisea" is an excellent example. > > Developers are often surprised at what users wind up doing with their > tools. > > Trackers seem to have come along at a time just before cheap samplers > hit the market, which might have drawn attention away from the > developing tracker communities. Nevertheless, those communities remain > strong, a lot of people like to make music with trackers, and I don't > think they're overly concerned with their lack of popular success. ;) > > Best, > > dp > > -- http://www.badmuthahubbard.com From badmuthahubbard at gmail.com Thu Mar 1 09:46:27 2007 From: badmuthahubbard at gmail.com (Chuckk Hubbard) Date: Thu Mar 1 09:47:05 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Thickness envy In-Reply-To: <20070228143035.GA19941@mccormick.cx> References: <20070228143035.GA19941@mccormick.cx> Message-ID: <8200bab70703010646n10c7dc73u7543c15974fe13cd@mail.gmail.com> I might have a few suggestions, but I'm having trouble finding these Leonard Ritter tracks. Leonard - whatever else you may excel at, you get an F for self-promotion! (still better than an A for self-promotion and an F for talent) -Chuckk On 2/28/07, Chris McCormick wrote: > Hey All, > > I listened to the tracks that Leonard Ritter posted recently and then > listened to my own latest track immediately after, which made me realise > how innadequate it sounds, no matter how loud I turn it up. Does anyone > have any mastering tips? I have no idea about mastering. Leonard, how > do you get your stuff to sound so fat? Here's my track that doesn't > sound fat enough: > > > > It's also written in a tracker. > > Best, > > Chris. > > ------------------- > chris@mccormick.cx > http://mccormick.cx > -- http://www.badmuthahubbard.com From dlphillips at woh.rr.com Thu Mar 1 10:17:48 2007 From: dlphillips at woh.rr.com (Dave Phillips) Date: Thu Mar 1 09:59:36 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] composing with trackers In-Reply-To: <8200bab70703010644w6370ad4en174962ed55b2d2dc@mail.gmail.com> References: <45E57BCC.30203@woh.rr.com> <8200bab70703010644w6370ad4en174962ed55b2d2dc@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <45E6EE9C.3090505@woh.rr.com> Chuckk Hubbard wrote: > ... maybe it's just a case where the number of people who write good > music is less than the > number of people who write bad music in general? It's one of the universal constants. I'm sure that when we finally make contact with extraterrestrial aliens they'll tell us they have the same problem. Best, dp From k.s.matheussen at notam02.no Thu Mar 1 10:02:51 2007 From: k.s.matheussen at notam02.no (Kjetil S. Matheussen) Date: Thu Mar 1 10:03:17 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: composing with trackers In-Reply-To: <20070301144435.69D946E479DA@music.columbia.edu> References: <20070301144435.69D946E479DA@music.columbia.edu> Message-ID: "Chuckk Hubbard": > > I've used very few trackers. I think I was turned off that the > default is for all notes to be the same length, and that changing the > number of beats in any measure seemed kind of involved. > If you've never written music, and you don't own any instruments, and > you open a program for the first time that shows you 8 divisions per > measure with a steady beat, you'll probably make a lot of music before > you discover what other options are available. Multiply this by a > million users, and you've got the makings of a long-term association > with RDM (retarded dance music). Try entering Debussy into a tracker > and see how intuitive it is; and yet the music itself is very easy to > listen to. A tracker is not necessarily a tracker. Check out radium, it doesn't comply to what your limited understanding of a tracker is. From badmuthahubbard at gmail.com Thu Mar 1 10:50:52 2007 From: badmuthahubbard at gmail.com (Chuckk Hubbard) Date: Thu Mar 1 10:54:40 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: composing with trackers In-Reply-To: References: <20070301144435.69D946E479DA@music.columbia.edu> Message-ID: <8200bab70703010750o7145a40fj1254b4edaab428a5@mail.gmail.com> On 3/1/07, Kjetil S. Matheussen wrote: > > "Chuckk Hubbard": > > > > I've used very few trackers. I think I was turned off that the > > default is for all notes to be the same length, and that changing the > > number of beats in any measure seemed kind of involved. > > If you've never written music, and you don't own any instruments, and > > you open a program for the first time that shows you 8 divisions per > > measure with a steady beat, you'll probably make a lot of music before > > you discover what other options are available. Multiply this by a > > million users, and you've got the makings of a long-term association > > with RDM (retarded dance music). Try entering Debussy into a tracker > > and see how intuitive it is; and yet the music itself is very easy to > > listen to. > > A tracker is not necessarily a tracker. Check out radium, it doesn't > comply to what your limited understanding of a tracker is. Well according to the sourceforge page it isn't a tracker. So I guess I wouldn't expect it to comply to what my understanding of a tracker is. I will check it out. -Chuckk -- http://www.badmuthahubbard.com From mobarre at gmail.com Thu Mar 1 11:07:03 2007 From: mobarre at gmail.com (Marc-Olivier Barre) Date: Thu Mar 1 11:08:11 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] List migration to linuxaudio.org : remaining issues. Message-ID: <3c808a150703010807x2a25988dgd96e871a6746b732@mail.gmail.com> Hi everyone, As I said yesterday when I said the migration to linuxaudio.org was postponed till 1st April, there are still a few issues asking for comments. It has been suggested by a few people(Ivica Ico Bukvic, Jan Weil) that the email addresses linux-audio-xxxxx@linuxaudio.org was kind of redundant. The following suggestions were made : ? just switch the names to announce@linuxaudio.org, dev@linuxaudio.org, and user@linuxaudio.org. ? Make aliases : linux-audio-dev@linuxaudio.org -> dev@linuxaudio.org To this Leonard Ritter replied that this could lead to more spam. IMO, since we are working on a spamassassin+mailman interfacing, it should not be a problem. The aliases seem the solution that could make everyone happy since both type of addresses would work and the lists would keep their "historical" names. Ready, steady... FLAME ! __________________ Marc-Olivier Barre, Markinoko. PS : please reply to both lists (I'll try to be swift on moderating users that are not registered on both lists) so everyone can enjoy your comments :-) From gregwilder at gregwilder.com Thu Mar 1 11:52:59 2007 From: gregwilder at gregwilder.com (Greg Wilder) Date: Thu Mar 1 12:13:39 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] What purpose does this list serve? In-Reply-To: <45E6ACBB.8060603@gmail.com> References: <20070217211957.GC2764@localhost> <70a871c80703010137m78187c71r62b2cc36f91a18a6@mail.gmail.com> <45E6ACBB.8060603@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200703011152.59837.gregwilder@gregwilder.com> Between the repeated calls to see a clone of Ableton on Linux, machismo arguments about the finer points of DSP theory, and the overzealous ego stroking of "I wanna sound like my favorite band, but I don't play well enough..." amateur musicians - what purpose does this list serve? Shouldn't this be a place to explore serious Linux-related musical topics that look to the wealth of unique and versatile Linux-based tools... How best to incorporate "live" web resources in a GNU/Linux powered installation? What "AI" tools are available to aid in the design of an intelligent improvising partner? Which application/design solutions work best for interactive sound design? What's the future of ambisonic audio looking/sounding like? Casually glancing over the Linux Audio Conference schedule provides numerous interesting thread topics: Livecoding with SuperCollider, Music Composition through Spectral Modeling Synthesis and Pure Data, Interfacing Pure Data with Faust, Python for Sound Manipulation, Stereo, Multichannel and Binaural Sound Spatialization in Pure-Data, A Tetrahedral Microphone Processor for Ambisonic Recording, Visual prototyping of audio applications (CLAM), and the list goes on and on... "When will someone produce a chart-topping hit with Ardour" is _not_ a serious or productive topic and has _nothing_ to do with the reality of the industry. If you wanna learn how squeeze more "thump" outta your woofers or get more "pop" from your tweeters, why not visit a relevant forum - there are many to choose from... I'm sure I'm in the minority on this, but I'd like to see a show of hands - how many of you are lurking on this list with the faint hope that some tiny (but usefull) bit of information might just drop from the sky? Despite my sarcastic tone, these comments are not meant to be destructive. I hope they might be a wake up call to a community that deserves better. Bombs away... G From t_w_ at freenet.de Thu Mar 1 12:53:06 2007 From: t_w_ at freenet.de (Thorsten Wilms) Date: Thu Mar 1 13:08:06 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] What purpose does this list serve? In-Reply-To: <200703011152.59837.gregwilder@gregwilder.com> References: <20070217211957.GC2764@localhost> <70a871c80703010137m78187c71r62b2cc36f91a18a6@mail.gmail.com> <45E6ACBB.8060603@gmail.com> <200703011152.59837.gregwilder@gregwilder.com> Message-ID: <20070301175306.GC5472@charly.SWORD> On Thu, Mar 01, 2007 at 11:52:59AM -0500, Greg Wilder wrote: > I'm sure I'm in the minority on this, but I'd like to see a show of hands - > how many of you are lurking on this list with the faint hope that some tiny > (but usefull) bit of information might just drop from the sky? I do. But such bits do 'drop form the sky' here. your post doesn't have them, though. Ok, certain recent threads havn't been enligthened, but I don't think the scope of the list should leave general production techniques and philosophical and strategical arguments outside. Yeah, and this meta stuff here. -- Thorsten Wilms Thorwil's Creature Illustrations: http://www.printfection.com/thorwil From denisfalqueto at gmail.com Thu Mar 1 13:00:41 2007 From: denisfalqueto at gmail.com (Denis Alessandro Altoe Falqueto) Date: Thu Mar 1 13:12:31 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] What purpose does this list serve? In-Reply-To: <200703011152.59837.gregwilder@gregwilder.com> References: <20070217211957.GC2764@localhost> <70a871c80703010137m78187c71r62b2cc36f91a18a6@mail.gmail.com> <45E6ACBB.8060603@gmail.com> <200703011152.59837.gregwilder@gregwilder.com> Message-ID: On 3/1/07, Greg Wilder wrote: > I'm sure I'm in the minority on this, but I'd like to see a show of hands - > how many of you are lurking on this list with the faint hope that some tiny > (but usefull) bit of information might just drop from the sky? You called the lurkers, so here I am. ;-) I don't have any problems with more open subjects in this list. After all, the more digressed subjects, come labeled Off Topic (at least, they should). I've learnt lots of interesting things with this list and think it would be bad for everyone to restrict the matters. If something has to do with linux and audio, it is wellcome here, ain't it? My 0.02 cents... -- ------------------------------------------- Denis A. Altoe Falqueto ------------------------------------------- From mobarre at gmail.com Thu Mar 1 13:55:28 2007 From: mobarre at gmail.com (Marc-Olivier Barre) Date: Thu Mar 1 14:00:51 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] What purpose does this list serve? In-Reply-To: References: <20070217211957.GC2764@localhost> <70a871c80703010137m78187c71r62b2cc36f91a18a6@mail.gmail.com> <45E6ACBB.8060603@gmail.com> <200703011152.59837.gregwilder@gregwilder.com> Message-ID: <3c808a150703011055g5d1f75f3y7791e260af5a9e80@mail.gmail.com> On 3/1/07, Denis Alessandro Altoe Falqueto wrote: > On 3/1/07, Greg Wilder wrote: > > I'm sure I'm in the minority on this, but I'd like to see a show of hands - > > how many of you are lurking on this list with the faint hope that some tiny > > (but usefull) bit of information might just drop from the sky? > > You called the lurkers, so here I am. ;-) > > I don't have any problems with more open subjects in this list. After > all, the more digressed subjects, come labeled Off Topic (at least, > they should). I've learnt lots of interesting things with this list > and think it would be bad for everyone to restrict the matters. If > something has to do with linux and audio, it is wellcome here, ain't > it? > > My 0.02 cents... > Make it 0.02 cents more, I agree. Restricting topics would be a shame. Some apparently totally useless topics scoring high on the digression scale sometimes turn out to make unexpected "useful info" (not to all users I agree) just fall out of the sky. And as far as the "I want to sound like my favorite band" subjects are concerned, I find them very interesting to the users whom are the primary target of this list. Even if there's no artistic point in trying to sound like someone else, it is sometimes the occasion to hear about a piece of software some lurkers may not have heard of. If we get enough 0.02 cents, let's go buy some free beer. I will leave the users free to determine the interest of my previous sentence... __________________ Marc-Olivier Barre, Markinoko. From gregwilder at gregwilder.com Thu Mar 1 14:21:57 2007 From: gregwilder at gregwilder.com (Greg Wilder) Date: Thu Mar 1 14:25:46 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] What purpose does this list serve? In-Reply-To: <3c808a150703011055g5d1f75f3y7791e260af5a9e80@mail.gmail.com> References: <20070217211957.GC2764@localhost> <3c808a150703011055g5d1f75f3y7791e260af5a9e80@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200703011421.57701.gregwilder@gregwilder.com> On Thu March 1 2007 1:55 pm, Marc-Olivier Barre wrote: > On 3/1/07, Denis Alessandro Altoe Falqueto wrote: > > On 3/1/07, Greg Wilder wrote: > > > I'm sure I'm in the minority on this, but I'd like to see a show of > > > hands - how many of you are lurking on this list with the faint hope > > > that some tiny (but usefull) bit of information might just drop from > > > the sky? > > > > You called the lurkers, so here I am. ;-) > > > > I don't have any problems with more open subjects in this list. After > > all, the more digressed subjects, come labeled Off Topic (at least, > > they should). I've learnt lots of interesting things with this list > > and think it would be bad for everyone to restrict the matters. If > > something has to do with linux and audio, it is wellcome here, ain't > > it? > > > > My 0.02 cents... > > Make it 0.02 cents more, > > I agree. Restricting topics would be a shame. Some apparently totally > useless topics scoring high on the digression scale sometimes turn out > to make unexpected "useful info" (not to all users I agree) just fall > out of the sky. > > And as far as the "I want to sound like my favorite band" subjects are > concerned, I find them very interesting to the users whom are the > primary target of this list. Even if there's no artistic point in > trying to sound like someone else, it is sometimes the occasion to > hear about a piece of software some lurkers may not have heard of. At no point did I suggest limiting list topics. Of course it's true that the contributors of any list/forum determine the direction of discussions. I kinda figured that folks were generally happy with the list - why else would they subscribe? But before I terminated my subscription, I wanted to express my general disappointment and I wondered if anyone else had similar feelings. G From paul at linuxaudiosystems.com Thu Mar 1 14:30:58 2007 From: paul at linuxaudiosystems.com (Paul Davis) Date: Thu Mar 1 14:32:00 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] What purpose does this list serve? In-Reply-To: <200703011421.57701.gregwilder@gregwilder.com> References: <20070217211957.GC2764@localhost> <3c808a150703011055g5d1f75f3y7791e260af5a9e80@mail.gmail.com> <200703011421.57701.gregwilder@gregwilder.com> Message-ID: <1172777458.15206.65.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Thu, 2007-03-01 at 14:21 -0500, Greg Wilder wrote: > But before I terminated my subscription, I wanted to express my general > disappointment and I wondered if anyone else had similar feelings. this is a comparatively small community. its hard enough to find discussion on the sort of topics you listed anywhere else that one might look, even when they have many more members than this list does. From robin at gareus.org Thu Mar 1 14:36:38 2007 From: robin at gareus.org (Robin Gareus) Date: Thu Mar 1 14:36:59 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] What purpose does this list serve? In-Reply-To: <200703011421.57701.gregwilder@gregwilder.com> References: <20070217211957.GC2764@localhost> <3c808a150703011055g5d1f75f3y7791e260af5a9e80@mail.gmail.com> <200703011421.57701.gregwilder@gregwilder.com> Message-ID: <45E72B46.3000702@gareus.org> Greg Wilder wrote: > On Thu March 1 2007 1:55 pm, Marc-Olivier Barre wrote: >> On 3/1/07, Denis Alessandro Altoe Falqueto wrote: >>> On 3/1/07, Greg Wilder wrote: >>>> I'm sure I'm in the minority on this, but I'd like to see a show of >>>> hands - how many of you are lurking on this list with the faint hope >>>> that some tiny (but usefull) bit of information might just drop from >>>> the sky? >>> You called the lurkers, so here I am. ;-) >>> >>> I don't have any problems with more open subjects in this list. After >>> all, the more digressed subjects, come labeled Off Topic (at least, >>> they should). I've learnt lots of interesting things with this list >>> and think it would be bad for everyone to restrict the matters. If >>> something has to do with linux and audio, it is wellcome here, ain't >>> it? >>> >>> My 0.02 cents... >> Make it 0.02 cents more, >> what a waste of cents, if you can can get beer for free :) >> I agree. Restricting topics would be a shame. Some apparently totally >> useless topics scoring high on the digression scale sometimes turn out >> to make unexpected "useful info" (not to all users I agree) just fall >> out of the sky. >> >> And as far as the "I want to sound like my favorite band" subjects are >> concerned, I find them very interesting to the users whom are the >> primary target of this list. Even if there's no artistic point in >> trying to sound like someone else, it is sometimes the occasion to >> hear about a piece of software some lurkers may not have heard of. > > At no point did I suggest limiting list topics. Of course it's true that the > contributors of any list/forum determine the direction of discussions. I > kinda figured that folks were generally happy with the list - why else would > they subscribe? > > But before I terminated my subscription, I wanted to express my general > disappointment and I wondered if anyone else had similar feelings. > I'm torn. some of the Linux-Audio-user end-user discussions would clearly be better suited for a Forum. - maybe even upload the song and have both pointers and web-player...etc. radio-staion? - OTOH enthusiastic musicians are a very important on this list and it would be a shame to move their main attention to web-forums! LAU should stay an open and central point for linux-audio resources of any kind! if there's need that LAD can not accomadete, we should consider a linux-audio-mastering or linux-audio-songs or linux-audio-pro mailing list to refine gifts from the sky! #robin From hardbop200 at gmail.com Thu Mar 1 14:48:43 2007 From: hardbop200 at gmail.com (Josh Lawrence) Date: Thu Mar 1 14:53:36 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] What purpose does this list serve? In-Reply-To: <200703011152.59837.gregwilder@gregwilder.com> References: <20070217211957.GC2764@localhost> <70a871c80703010137m78187c71r62b2cc36f91a18a6@mail.gmail.com> <45E6ACBB.8060603@gmail.com> <200703011152.59837.gregwilder@gregwilder.com> Message-ID: On 3/1/07, Greg Wilder wrote: > Shouldn't this be a place to explore serious Linux-related musical topics that > look to the wealth of unique and versatile Linux-based tools... How best to > incorporate "live" web resources in a GNU/Linux powered installation? > What "AI" tools are available to aid in the design of an intelligent > improvising partner? Which application/design solutions work best for > interactive sound design? What's the future of ambisonic audio > looking/sounding like? p:d, Chuck et al have mailing lists that I'm sure would address your specific need. I would also bet that discussions of that type would be welcome here, too. Why don't you start some specific threads about the topics you would like to discuss? I know I would find them interesting. > Casually glancing over the Linux Audio Conference schedule provides numerous > interesting thread topics: Livecoding with SuperCollider, Music Composition > through Spectral Modeling Synthesis and Pure Data, Interfacing Pure Data with > Faust, Python for Sound Manipulation, Stereo, Multichannel and Binaural Sound > Spatialization in Pure-Data, A Tetrahedral Microphone Processor for Ambisonic > Recording, Visual prototyping of audio applications (CLAM), and the list goes > on and on... Again, start the topics that you want to see discussed. > I'm sure I'm in the minority on this, but I'd like to see a show of hands - > how many of you are lurking on this list with the faint hope that some tiny > (but usefull) bit of information might just drop from the sky? Something I've learned in the very, very short time I've been a Linux user - *nothing* drops from the sky. You have to work for it and, most importantly, dig and do your research. > Despite my sarcastic tone, these comments are not meant to be destructive. I > hope they might be a wake up call to a community that deserves better. > > Bombs away... > > G It sounds to me like the general nature of the list doesn't appeal to you, which is just fine. I think subscribing to more specific lists and using the information presented on this list as general help to augment the others would be a better approach for you. -- Josh Lawrence http://www.hardbop200.com From t_w_ at freenet.de Thu Mar 1 14:51:53 2007 From: t_w_ at freenet.de (Thorsten Wilms) Date: Thu Mar 1 14:55:46 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] What purpose does this list serve? In-Reply-To: <45E72B46.3000702@gareus.org> References: <20070217211957.GC2764@localhost> <3c808a150703011055g5d1f75f3y7791e260af5a9e80@mail.gmail.com> <200703011421.57701.gregwilder@gregwilder.com> <45E72B46.3000702@gareus.org> Message-ID: <20070301195152.GD5472@charly.SWORD> On Thu, Mar 01, 2007 at 08:36:38PM +0100, Robin Gareus wrote: > > I'm torn. some of the Linux-Audio-user end-user discussions would > clearly be better suited for a Forum. - maybe even upload the song and > have both pointers and web-player...etc. radio-staion? - OTOH > enthusiastic musicians are a very important on this list and it would > be a shame to move their main attention to web-forums! > > LAU should stay an open and central point for linux-audio resources of > any kind! if there's need that LAD can not accomadete, we should > consider a linux-audio-mastering or linux-audio-songs or linux-audio-pro > mailing list to refine gifts from the sky! As far as I remember, there was a discussion started by someone asking where the _music_ made with linux is and there was some consensus that posting links to tracks and feedback would be perfectly ok to post. Later on some thought it got a bit much and LAM was created. But I think almost noone posted music _only_ there, making it rather pointless. Without music, linux audio would be empty. -- Thorsten Wilms Thorwil's Creature Illustrations: http://www.printfection.com/thorwil From hanaghan at starband.net Thu Mar 1 15:20:34 2007 From: hanaghan at starband.net (Russell Hanaghan) Date: Thu Mar 1 15:21:07 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] What purpose does this list serve? In-Reply-To: <200703011152.59837.gregwilder@gregwilder.com> References: <20070217211957.GC2764@localhost> <70a871c80703010137m78187c71r62b2cc36f91a18a6@mail.gmail.com> <45E6ACBB.8060603@gmail.com> <200703011152.59837.gregwilder@gregwilder.com> Message-ID: <45E73592.2040001@starband.net> Greg Wilder wrote: > Between the repeated calls to see a clone of Ableton on Linux, machismo > arguments about the finer points of DSP theory, and the overzealous ego > stroking of "I wanna sound like my favorite band, but I don't play well > enough..." amateur musicians - what purpose does this list serve? > > Amateurs are ppl too! And who says they don't have a place here as much as anyone??? They have as much right and possibly more purposeful and constructive input than the likes of this topic. This is not "sarcastic" it's offensive and rude AFAIC. I might add, that throughout history, the arts have had some form of "ego" at or close to their nucleus; kept in check, Ego is *not* a dirty word. most talented people possess one. > Shouldn't this be a place to explore serious Linux-related musical topics that > look to the wealth of unique and versatile Linux-based tools... How best to > incorporate "live" web resources in a GNU/Linux powered installation? > What "AI" tools are available to aid in the design of an intelligent > improvising partner? Which application/design solutions work best for > interactive sound design? What's the future of ambisonic audio > looking/sounding like? > This is where this happens too! I watch the news at night when time permits. I don't have the luxury of flipping through the bits that don't meet my personal taste. If I *pay* for a subscription to something, then I feel I have the right to complain if I did not receive my bill of goods. > "When will someone produce a chart-topping hit with Ardour" is _not_ a serious > or productive topic and has _nothing_ to do with the reality of the industry. > Not that this is a topic of discussion very often that I recall, while not at the atomic bit level of Linux Audio development, it *IS* relevant in my mind; when mainstream albums get sales and recognition, the technical observers will always take notice to some degree of new things being utilized for good result. This gives Linux Audio better recognition on the whole rather than a particular application, no? Has this not been one of the goals from the gate?? > I'm sure I'm in the minority on this, Um...Yuh! > but I'd like to see a show of hands - > how many of you are lurking on this list with the faint hope that some tiny > (but usefull) bit of information might just drop from the sky? > > Speaking of ego...It's sounds almost as if your perspective and opinion are consensus with regard to your view of this list! > Despite my sarcastic tone, these comments are not meant to be destructive. I > hope they might be a wake up call to a community that deserves better. > > Bombs away... > Bombs away indeed! Hate to be a bitch here but if you don't like what is here or have a positive contribution (not that this inadvertently perhaps won't be that...) Then unsubscribe, enjoy, and good luck to you! > G > > > From jayv at synth.net Thu Mar 1 15:27:48 2007 From: jayv at synth.net (Jay Vaughan) Date: Thu Mar 1 15:28:20 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] What purpose does this list serve? In-Reply-To: <200703011152.59837.gregwilder@gregwilder.com> References: <20070217211957.GC2764@localhost> <70a871c80703010137m78187c71r62b2cc36f91a18a6@mail.gmail.com> <45E6ACBB.8060603@gmail.com> <200703011152.59837.gregwilder@gregwilder.com> Message-ID: At 11:52 AM -0500 1/3/07, Greg Wilder wrote: >Between the repeated calls to see a clone of Ableton on Linux, machismo >arguments about the finer points of DSP theory, and the overzealous ego >stroking of "I wanna sound like my favorite band, but I don't play well >enough..." amateur musicians - what purpose does this list serve? Soapbox for Linux Audio nerds to vent their spleens in the winds of whats happening with Linux, audio-wise, around the world .. ? -- ; Jay Vaughan From t_w_ at freenet.de Thu Mar 1 15:36:44 2007 From: t_w_ at freenet.de (Thorsten Wilms) Date: Thu Mar 1 15:37:12 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Logo for the Linux Sound & MIDI Software Wiki In-Reply-To: <20070301135203.GB5472@charly.SWORD> References: <45E5BDA2.2000405@gareus.org> <20070301135203.GB5472@charly.SWORD> Message-ID: <20070301203644.GE5472@charly.SWORD> On Thu, Mar 01, 2007 at 02:52:03PM +0100, Thorsten Wilms wrote: > > Rough logo concept: > http://thorwil.affenbande.org/index.php/2007/03/01/appslinuxaudioorg-01/ Continued: http://thorwil.affenbande.org/index.php/2007/03/01/appslinuxaudioorg-02/ I would prefer comments here, there I have to approve every single one. Once in a while the blog is spam flooded (blacklisting some words seems to have cut down on what I see, though). Please keep in mind that it will be used in much smaller size, I made it big here so you guys can check my types in detail :) Box shadow got cutoff somehow, I know. -- Thorsten Wilms Thorwil's Creature Illustrations: http://www.printfection.com/thorwil From folderol at ukfsn.org Thu Mar 1 15:44:26 2007 From: folderol at ukfsn.org (Folderol) Date: Thu Mar 1 15:58:14 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Logo for the Linux Sound & MIDI Software Wiki In-Reply-To: <20070301203644.GE5472@charly.SWORD> References: <45E5BDA2.2000405@gareus.org> <20070301135203.GB5472@charly.SWORD> <20070301203644.GE5472@charly.SWORD> Message-ID: <20070301204426.09186c31@localhost> On Thu, 1 Mar 2007 21:36:44 +0100 Thorsten Wilms wrote: > On Thu, Mar 01, 2007 at 02:52:03PM +0100, Thorsten Wilms wrote: > > > > Rough logo concept: > > http://thorwil.affenbande.org/index.php/2007/03/01/appslinuxaudioorg-01/ > > Continued: > http://thorwil.affenbande.org/index.php/2007/03/01/appslinuxaudioorg-02/ > > I would prefer comments here, there I have to approve every single > one. Once in a while the blog is spam flooded (blacklisting some > words seems to have cut down on what I see, though). > > Please keep in mind that it will be used in much smaller size, > I made it big here so you guys can check my types in detail :) > > Box shadow got cutoff somehow, I know. Looks nice and clean to me. -- Will J G From hanaghan at starband.net Thu Mar 1 15:51:43 2007 From: hanaghan at starband.net (Russell Hanaghan) Date: Thu Mar 1 16:07:33 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] List of prefered apps... Message-ID: <45E73CDF.2050301@starband.net> Hi all, Oh...FWIW.... I LOVE you guys! :) Meanwhile, I would like a list of preferred apps from anyone who responds. If you had an Audio LiveCD you could pop in your machine and boot it up, what would you most prefer to see there? I have sampled them all recently and while they look great, work reasonably well and have lots of stuff in them application wise, I'm not convinced the simplicity is as honed as it can be. 1. What are your top 10 critical "must have" audio apps? 2. What are your top 5 utility apps? 3. Considering a mid powered box, (say 1800mhz, 1 gig ram, etc) what is your favorite WM or desktop? 4. How many people *don't* have at least a DVD read only drive that you can boot from? YOur contribution would be very much appreciated. Regards, Russell From eviltwin69 at cableone.net Thu Mar 1 16:01:14 2007 From: eviltwin69 at cableone.net (Jan Depner) Date: Thu Mar 1 16:15:17 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] What purpose does this list serve? In-Reply-To: <200703011152.59837.gregwilder@gregwilder.com> References: <20070217211957.GC2764@localhost> <70a871c80703010137m78187c71r62b2cc36f91a18a6@mail.gmail.com> <45E6ACBB.8060603@gmail.com> <200703011152.59837.gregwilder@gregwilder.com> Message-ID: <1172782874.22781.17.camel@eviltwin> On Thu, 2007-03-01 at 11:52 -0500, Greg Wilder wrote: > Between the repeated calls to see a clone of Ableton on Linux, machismo > arguments about the finer points of DSP theory, and the overzealous ego > stroking of "I wanna sound like my favorite band, but I don't play well > enough..." amateur musicians - what purpose does this list serve? > To provide information about *any* aspect of audio on Linux. > Shouldn't this be a place to explore serious Linux-related musical topics that > look to the wealth of unique and versatile Linux-based tools... How best to > incorporate "live" web resources in a GNU/Linux powered installation? > What "AI" tools are available to aid in the design of an intelligent > improvising partner? Which application/design solutions work best for > interactive sound design? What's the future of ambisonic audio > looking/sounding like? > These are good topics too. > Casually glancing over the Linux Audio Conference schedule provides numerous > interesting thread topics: Livecoding with SuperCollider, Music Composition > through Spectral Modeling Synthesis and Pure Data, Interfacing Pure Data with > Faust, Python for Sound Manipulation, Stereo, Multichannel and Binaural Sound > Spatialization in Pure-Data, A Tetrahedral Microphone Processor for Ambisonic > Recording, Visual prototyping of audio applications (CLAM), and the list goes > on and on... > I think you'll find that most of those topics are discussed on the Linux audio developers mailing list since most of the people giving the presentations at LAC are Linux audio developers. > "When will someone produce a chart-topping hit with Ardour" is _not_ a serious > or productive topic and has _nothing_ to do with the reality of the industry. > If you wanna learn how squeeze more "thump" outta your woofers or get > more "pop" from your tweeters, why not visit a relevant forum - there are > many to choose from... > Linux audio users come in a number of sizes and shapes. Some are rank amateurs and some are accomplished professionals. Pretty much any Linux audio related topic is acceptable here. And, yes, that does include getting more "thump" out of your woofers if you happen to be using Linux to run them. > I'm sure I'm in the minority on this, but I'd like to see a show of hands - > how many of you are lurking on this list with the faint hope that some tiny > (but usefull) bit of information might just drop from the sky? > Lots of larger than tiny bits of useful information show up here. I've both provided and received some of them. I tend to check out a topic and, if I'm not interested, those go in the dumper. If I'm interested I'll check out the rest of the posts. > Despite my sarcastic tone, these comments are not meant to be destructive. I > hope they might be a wake up call to a community that deserves better. > I'm personally pretty happy with what I'm getting from the list as it is - and I've been on it for a few years ;-) -- Jan 'Evil Twin' Depner http://myweb.cableone.net/eviltwin69 "Life should NOT be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in an attractive and well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, chardonnay in one hand, chocolate in the other, body thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and screaming 'WOO HOO, what a ride'" From gnome at hawaii.rr.com Thu Mar 1 16:28:20 2007 From: gnome at hawaii.rr.com (david) Date: Thu Mar 1 16:36:38 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] List of prefered apps... In-Reply-To: <45E73CDF.2050301@starband.net> References: <45E73CDF.2050301@starband.net> Message-ID: <45E74574.9000506@hawaii.rr.com> Russell Hanaghan wrote: > I would like a list of preferred apps from anyone who responds. If you > had an Audio LiveCD you could pop in your machine and boot it up, what > would you most prefer to see there? > I have sampled them all recently and while they look great, work > reasonably well and have lots of stuff in them application wise, I'm not > convinced the simplicity is as honed as it can be. > > 1. What are your top 10 critical "must have" audio apps? Rosegarden and some as-yet-undiscovered Linux application that can put more than one line of lyrics on a staff. > 2. What are your top 5 utility apps? > 3. Considering a mid powered box, (say 1800mhz, 1 gig ram, etc) what > is your favorite WM or desktop? KDE. > 4. How many people *don't* have at least a DVD read only drive that > you can boot from? Well, my laptop has a CDRW/DVD drive that it can boot from. The desktop machine doesn't have a DVD drive at all. -- David gnome@hawaii.rr.com authenticity, honesty, community From ico at vt.edu Thu Mar 1 16:33:51 2007 From: ico at vt.edu (Ivica Ico Bukvic) Date: Thu Mar 1 16:40:54 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] poll regarding ASUS A8N motherboards Message-ID: <002801c75c49$4e0c5eb0$671152c6@64BitBadass> Hi all, Here's my 6-month ongoing saga with these. After buying 2 machines from Thinkmate, I've had nothing but trouble trying to get these to be "clean" as far as the audio output is concerned. I tried A8N-SLI and its newer version A8N32-SLI motherboard (for AMD64). The problem is that even if I disable internal soundcard and run the machine with external soundcard or an internal PCI card (i.e. Delta 1010LT), I get noises when moving mouse as well as a nasty ground-like noise. I tried: *changing the motherboard *disabling internal soundcard *there is no internal speaker so that did not have any bearing *exchanging the power supply *removing the motherboard from the case and running it only with a video card and HDs to see if the case had some issues *tried muting all audio Every time, I still have the noise propagating even through the external FW soundcard. Every time I move the mouse or a window. So, my questions are: Does anyone have A8N series motherboards and if so, do you have any noises? Are the nforce motherboard trash overall or is this one-of-a-kind lemon? Is there a good AMD64 motherboard which can be recommended? Any help is most appreciated! Best wishes, Ivica Ico Bukvic, D.M.A. Composition, Music Technology, CCTAD, CHCI Virginia Tech Dept. of Music - 0240 Blacksburg, VA 24061 (540) 231-1137 (540) 231-5034 (fax) ico@vt.edu http://www.music.vt.edu/people/faculty/bukvic/ From cannam at all-day-breakfast.com Thu Mar 1 16:52:42 2007 From: cannam at all-day-breakfast.com (Chris Cannam) Date: Thu Mar 1 17:11:10 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Logo for the Linux Sound & MIDI Software Wiki In-Reply-To: <20070301203644.GE5472@charly.SWORD> References: <45E5BDA2.2000405@gareus.org> <20070301135203.GB5472@charly.SWORD> <20070301203644.GE5472@charly.SWORD> Message-ID: <200703012152.42730.cannam@all-day-breakfast.com> On Thursday 01 Mar 2007 20:36, Thorsten Wilms wrote: > I would prefer comments here The top of the a appears to extend too far to the left, when it doesn't have the complimentary x of linux sitting on its left. The s is just weird -- the lower loop looks much squarer than the upper one. I'm guessing that they have the same curves but the lower loop has a longer straight section between the curves. And the centre bar of the s looks thinner than the top or bottom. None of that is enough to bar it from being a perfectly serviceable logo in my eyes... perhaps how it scales is more important, anyway. And I haven't tested that, I'm afraid. Chris From atte.jensen at gmail.com Thu Mar 1 16:58:33 2007 From: atte.jensen at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?B?QXR0ZSBBbmRyw6kgSmVuc2Vu?=) Date: Thu Mar 1 17:19:06 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] dual-core and jack question In-Reply-To: <45E6DDD6.3090001@spamatica.se> References: <45E58994.6060409@gmail.com> <20070228144904.GE2845@localhost> <45E60171.3000107@gmail.com> <1172703423.15206.10.camel@localhost.localdomain> <45E6DDD6.3090001@spamatica.se> Message-ID: <45E74C89.6080806@gmail.com> Robert Jonsson wrote: > Possibly I'm missing something here, but I was under the impression that > to _really_ utilize a dual core system you need to use Jackdmp. You make it sound like I should have second thoughts before using jackdmp. It's not a drop-in replacement for jack, or? Will regular jack clients (ardour, zyn, specimen, ams) run on top of jackdmp? Other show-stoppers regarding jackdmp? -- peace, love & harmony Atte http://www.atte.dk | quintet: http://www.anagrammer.dk | compositions: http://www.atte.dk/compositions From atte.jensen at gmail.com Thu Mar 1 17:03:07 2007 From: atte.jensen at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Atte_Andr=E9_Jensen?=) Date: Thu Mar 1 17:22:42 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] composing with trackers In-Reply-To: <8200bab70703010644w6370ad4en174962ed55b2d2dc@mail.gmail.com> References: <45E57BCC.30203@woh.rr.com> <8200bab70703010644w6370ad4en174962ed55b2d2dc@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <45E74D9B.6080001@gmail.com> Chuckk Hubbard wrote: > I bet people's music would be far more beautiful if they would sing > freely and often and then transcribe what they were singing, instead > of transcribing before the music even exists. True! I completely abandoned composing at the computer for exactly that reason. I find it quicker to experiment with everything from melody, harmony, lyrics, modulations to form when at the piano. Also I found that I only make good tunes when playing and *singing* along. I'm sure others have succeeded where I failed, but that how it works for me. -- peace, love & harmony Atte http://www.atte.dk | quintet: http://www.anagrammer.dk | compositions: http://www.atte.dk/compositions From atte.jensen at gmail.com Thu Mar 1 17:09:58 2007 From: atte.jensen at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Atte_Andr=E9_Jensen?=) Date: Thu Mar 1 17:26:33 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] List of prefered apps... In-Reply-To: <45E74574.9000506@hawaii.rr.com> References: <45E73CDF.2050301@starband.net> <45E74574.9000506@hawaii.rr.com> Message-ID: <45E74F36.2020105@gmail.com> david wrote: > and some as-yet-undiscovered Linux application that can put > more than one line of lyrics on a staff. That would be abcm2ps (http://moinejf.free.fr/). And I would be surprised if lilypond can't do that. It might be that it's just not possible from within rosegarden (I don't use rosegarden, so I wouldn't know). peace, love & harmony Atte http://www.atte.dk | quintet: http://www.anagrammer.dk | compositions: http://www.atte.dk/compositions From mista.tapas at gmx.net Thu Mar 1 17:15:00 2007 From: mista.tapas at gmx.net (Florian Schmidt) Date: Thu Mar 1 17:31:16 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Logo for the Linux Sound & MIDI Software Wiki In-Reply-To: <20070301203644.GE5472@charly.SWORD> References: <45E5BDA2.2000405@gareus.org> <20070301135203.GB5472@charly.SWORD> <20070301203644.GE5472@charly.SWORD> Message-ID: <200703012315.00668.mista.tapas@gmx.net> On Thursday 01 March 2007, Thorsten Wilms wrote: > On Thu, Mar 01, 2007 at 02:52:03PM +0100, Thorsten Wilms wrote: > > Rough logo concept: > > http://thorwil.affenbande.org/index.php/2007/03/01/appslinuxaudioorg-01/ > > Continued: > http://thorwil.affenbande.org/index.php/2007/03/01/appslinuxaudioorg-02/ > > I would prefer comments here, there I have to approve every single > one. Once in a while the blog is spam flooded (blacklisting some > words seems to have cut down on what I see, though). > > Please keep in mind that it will be used in much smaller size, > I made it big here so you guys can check my types in detail :) > > Box shadow got cutoff somehow, I know. like it :) ++ Flo -- Palimm Palimm! http://tapas.affenbande.org From jamesmstone at gmail.com Thu Mar 1 17:18:51 2007 From: jamesmstone at gmail.com (James Stone) Date: Thu Mar 1 17:33:32 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] List of prefered apps... In-Reply-To: <45E73CDF.2050301@starband.net> References: <45E73CDF.2050301@starband.net> Message-ID: <20070301221851.GA19690@moon.base> On Thu, Mar 01, 2007 at 12:51:43PM -0800, Russell Hanaghan wrote: > Hi all, > > Oh...FWIW.... I LOVE you guys! :) > > Meanwhile, > > I would like a list of preferred apps from anyone who responds. If you > had an Audio LiveCD you could pop in your machine and boot it up, what > would you most prefer to see there? > I have sampled them all recently and while they look great, work > reasonably well and have lots of stuff in them application wise, I'm not > convinced the simplicity is as honed as it can be. > > 1. What are your top 10 critical "must have" audio apps? Seq24 Zynaddsubfx Hydrogen ams bristol ardour Aldrin linuxsampler/qsampler fluidsynth/qsynth audacity > 2. What are your top 5 utility apps? vi qjackctl tunapie (OK.. bias.. I wrote it!) totem audacious > 3. Considering a mid powered box, (say 1800mhz, 1 gig ram, etc) what > is your favorite WM or desktop? WindowMaker, regardless of power. > 4. How many people *don't* have at least a DVD read only drive that > you can boot from? Don't know any? James From contact at leonard-ritter.com Thu Mar 1 17:19:16 2007 From: contact at leonard-ritter.com (Leonard Ritter) Date: Thu Mar 1 17:34:36 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Thickness envy In-Reply-To: <8200bab70703010646n10c7dc73u7543c15974fe13cd@mail.gmail.com> References: <20070228143035.GA19941@mccormick.cx> <8200bab70703010646n10c7dc73u7543c15974fe13cd@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1172787556.6569.7.camel@localhost> check www.paniq.org On Thu, 2007-03-01 at 09:46 -0500, Chuckk Hubbard wrote: > I might have a few suggestions, but I'm having trouble finding these > Leonard Ritter tracks. > Leonard - whatever else you may excel at, you get an F for > self-promotion! (still better than an A for self-promotion and an F > for talent) > > -Chuckk > > On 2/28/07, Chris McCormick wrote: > > Hey All, > > > > I listened to the tracks that Leonard Ritter posted recently and then > > listened to my own latest track immediately after, which made me realise > > how innadequate it sounds, no matter how loud I turn it up. Does anyone > > have any mastering tips? I have no idea about mastering. Leonard, how > > do you get your stuff to sound so fat? Here's my track that doesn't > > sound fat enough: > > > > > > > > It's also written in a tracker. > > > > Best, > > > > Chris. > > > > ------------------- > > chris@mccormick.cx > > http://mccormick.cx > > > > -- Leonard Ritter -- Freelance Art & Logic -- http://www.leonard-ritter.com From rlrevell at joe-job.com Thu Mar 1 17:21:38 2007 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Thu Mar 1 17:36:20 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] poll regarding ASUS A8N motherboards In-Reply-To: <002801c75c49$4e0c5eb0$671152c6@64BitBadass> References: <002801c75c49$4e0c5eb0$671152c6@64BitBadass> Message-ID: <75b66ecd0703011421r182b466cqc7e20c0b7042bf4e@mail.gmail.com> On 3/1/07, Ivica Ico Bukvic wrote: > Is there a good AMD64 motherboard which can be recommended? > Sounds like they all use cheap capacitors. I would consider another vendor. I found this recent LKML announcement interesting: "The GIGABYTE M57SLI-S4 [1] is the first-ever desktop motherboard supported by a Free & Open Source BIOS, thanks to AMD engineer Yinghai Lu who released GPL-licensed code last month. This state-of-the-art motherboard is based on the NVIDIA nForce 570 SLI chipset and AMD's latest Socket AM2. It contains tons of advanced features such as:" ( etc - see LKML archive for details ) Lee From contact at leonard-ritter.com Thu Mar 1 17:32:18 2007 From: contact at leonard-ritter.com (Leonard Ritter) Date: Thu Mar 1 17:42:47 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] What purpose does this list serve? In-Reply-To: <200703011152.59837.gregwilder@gregwilder.com> References: <20070217211957.GC2764@localhost> <70a871c80703010137m78187c71r62b2cc36f91a18a6@mail.gmail.com> <45E6ACBB.8060603@gmail.com> <200703011152.59837.gregwilder@gregwilder.com> Message-ID: <1172788338.6569.13.camel@localhost> On Thu, 2007-03-01 at 11:52 -0500, Greg Wilder wrote: > Despite my sarcastic tone, these comments are not meant to be > destructive. I > hope they might be a wake up call to a community that deserves better. all well and good, but the trouble is that you are not the only one making "wake up calls" (you know what one does with a sounding alarm clock?), and i doubt this mailing list would be any better if 90% of comments made were comprised of generalizing statements like yours ;) (or this one here.) all in all, we generalize too much!!!1 i am fed up with complaints about meta-discussions! -- Leonard Ritter -- Freelance Art & Logic -- http://www.leonard-ritter.com From jri at broadpark.no Thu Mar 1 18:19:49 2007 From: jri at broadpark.no (Johannes Mario Ringheim) Date: Thu Mar 1 18:21:00 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] List of prefered apps... In-Reply-To: <45E73CDF.2050301@starband.net> References: <45E73CDF.2050301@starband.net> Message-ID: <45E75F95.5020507@broadpark.no> Russell Hanaghan wrote: > Hi all, > > Oh...FWIW.... I LOVE you guys! :) Good that someone does :) > I would like a list of preferred apps from anyone who responds. If you > had an Audio LiveCD you could pop in your machine and boot it up, what > would you most prefer to see there? > I have sampled them all recently and while they look great, work > reasonably well and have lots of stuff in them application wise, I'm not > convinced the simplicity is as honed as it can be. > > 1. What are your top 10 critical "must have" audio apps? 1. Jack (If this is an audio app..) 2. Ardour 3. MHWaveedit 4. Freewheeling 5. Seq24 6. Hydrogen 7. Aldrin 8. ZynAddSubFx 9. OM 10. Ninjam > 2. What are your top 5 utility apps? Not sure what you mean by "utility apps", but i'll try: 1. XJadeo 2. Wide selection of LADSPA plugins 3. Jack Rack 4. GNormalize 5. VLC (Wish it had jack support) > 3. Considering a mid powered box, (say 1800mhz, 1 gig ram, etc) what > is your favorite WM or desktop? XFCE or Gnome. > 4. How many people *don't* have at least a DVD read only drive that > you can boot from? Have one. -- Ringheims Auto - Fri musikk for bilstereo! http://ringheimsauto.org From kpanic at muppetslab.org Thu Mar 1 18:28:06 2007 From: kpanic at muppetslab.org (Marco Milanesi) Date: Thu Mar 1 18:28:17 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] List of prefered apps... In-Reply-To: <45E75F95.5020507@broadpark.no> References: <45E73CDF.2050301@starband.net> <45E75F95.5020507@broadpark.no> Message-ID: <20070301232806.GX32191@innerloop.it> > 5. VLC (Wish it had jack support) it has. if you have it compiled, it is under Preferences -> Output modules -- mark the Advanced options and you'll see the jackd option in the drop down menu. otherwise you could setup alsa's jackplug ciao, Marco -- ,= ,-_-. =. ------------------------------------------------------- + ((_/)o o(\_)) jabber:kpanic@jabber.linux.it/msn:kpanic@muppetslab.org | `-'(. .)`- #muppetslab@irc.freenode.net | \_/ The more I see, the less I know | From jri at broadpark.no Thu Mar 1 18:38:28 2007 From: jri at broadpark.no (Johannes Mario Ringheim) Date: Thu Mar 1 18:39:27 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] List of prefered apps... In-Reply-To: <20070301232806.GX32191@innerloop.it> References: <45E73CDF.2050301@starband.net> <45E75F95.5020507@broadpark.no> <20070301232806.GX32191@innerloop.it> Message-ID: <45E763F4.3020105@broadpark.no> Marco Milanesi wrote: >> 5. VLC (Wish it had jack support) > > it has. if you have it compiled, it is under Preferences -> Output > modules -- mark the Advanced options and you'll see the jackd option in > the drop down menu. Good. Then I guess any audio-focused distro should have VLC with jack enabled, cause Edgy has not. -- Ringheims Auto - Fri musikk for bilstereo! http://ringheimsauto.org From jri at broadpark.no Thu Mar 1 18:43:09 2007 From: jri at broadpark.no (Johannes Mario Ringheim) Date: Thu Mar 1 18:43:24 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] List of prefered apps... In-Reply-To: <45E763F4.3020105@broadpark.no> References: <45E73CDF.2050301@starband.net> <45E75F95.5020507@broadpark.no> <20070301232806.GX32191@innerloop.it> <45E763F4.3020105@broadpark.no> Message-ID: <45E7650D.5050302@broadpark.no> Johannes Mario Ringheim wrote: > Then I guess any audio-focused distro should have VLC with jack enabled, > cause Edgy has not. I meant compiled in, of course, not necessarily enabled by default. -- Ringheims Auto - Fri musikk for bilstereo! http://ringheimsauto.org From subluid at gmx.net Thu Mar 1 18:44:33 2007 From: subluid at gmx.net (subluid@gmx.net) Date: Thu Mar 1 18:44:44 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] input methods for qmidiarp Message-ID: <20070301234433.315220@gmx.net> Hello list, I revently read here about a missing decent arpeggiator for linux, qmidiarp was mentioned there. I seem to like it (don't know any other arpeggiators at all) but I could not figure out either of the two offered input methods, named "Simple Composung Input Method" and "XIM". Doing "revers engeneering" on the two example files would be at least time consuming. I would be glad if someone could point me to some explanation. by the way, linux audio is a pleasure and i learned a LOT following this list, thnx to all contributors! greetings, david -- Der GMX SmartSurfer hilft bis zu 70% Ihrer Onlinekosten zu sparen! Ideal f?r Modem und ISDN: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/smartsurfer From rlrevell at joe-job.com Thu Mar 1 18:46:05 2007 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Thu Mar 1 18:46:27 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] List of prefered apps... In-Reply-To: <45E763F4.3020105@broadpark.no> References: <45E73CDF.2050301@starband.net> <45E75F95.5020507@broadpark.no> <20070301232806.GX32191@innerloop.it> <45E763F4.3020105@broadpark.no> Message-ID: <75b66ecd0703011546x651b7771x346c3a94d84b0856@mail.gmail.com> On 3/1/07, Johannes Mario Ringheim wrote: > Marco Milanesi wrote: > >> 5. VLC (Wish it had jack support) > > > > it has. if you have it compiled, it is under Preferences -> Output > > modules -- mark the Advanced options and you'll see the jackd option in > > the drop down menu. > > Good. > > Then I guess any audio-focused distro should have VLC with jack enabled, > cause Edgy has not. File a Ubuntu bug report, there's still plenty of time to fix it. Lee From kpanic at muppetslab.org Thu Mar 1 18:47:57 2007 From: kpanic at muppetslab.org (Marco Milanesi) Date: Thu Mar 1 18:49:01 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] List of prefered apps... In-Reply-To: <45E763F4.3020105@broadpark.no> References: <45E73CDF.2050301@starband.net> <45E75F95.5020507@broadpark.no> <20070301232806.GX32191@innerloop.it> <45E763F4.3020105@broadpark.no> Message-ID: <20070301234757.GY32191@innerloop.it> > >it has. if you have it compiled, it is under Preferences -> Output > >modules -- mark the Advanced options and you'll see the jackd option in > >the drop down menu. > Good. > Then I guess any audio-focused distro should have VLC with jack enabled, > cause Edgy has not. yeah, I reported the bug in debian's BTS http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=402252 it should be an easy task, if you need my 'dirty hack' I can provide the debian/ folder that builds: vlc-plugin-jack_0.8.6-svn20061012.debian*deb ciao, Marco -- ,= ,-_-. =. ------------------------------------------------------- + ((_/)o o(\_)) jabber:kpanic@jabber.linux.it/msn:kpanic@muppetslab.org | `-'(. .)`- #muppetslab@irc.freenode.net | \_/ The more I see, the less I know | From gnored at centurytel.net Thu Mar 1 18:49:09 2007 From: gnored at centurytel.net (Gary Nored) Date: Thu Mar 1 18:52:49 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Audio Dropouts In-Reply-To: <1172496911.31095.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <45E21BF5.3020708@centurytel.net> <20070225185519.GA4649@sprite> <1172496911.31095.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <45E76675.2070502@centurytel.net> Paul Davis wrote: > On Mon, 2007-02-26 at 03:55 +0900, Joel Roth wrote: > >> On Sun, Feb 25, 2007 at 05:29:57PM -0600, Gary Nored wrote: >> >>> I have a problem burning standard audio CDs. On Ubuntu (Dapper Drake), >>> using K3b I am able to burn all variety of disks (wavs, mp3s, etc) but >>> when I create a standard audio CD I get dropouts. They do not sound like >>> a disconnect, but rather more like a controlled fade, followed >>> immediately by a fade to full volume. The whole dropout usually lasts >>> 1/4 sec or so, though occasionally a dropout is not restored for the >>> remainder of the track. The format of the source material is irrelevant. >>> (PS. The drive was taken from an XP box where it creates audio CDs >>> perfectly.) >>> >>> I've looked about for answers, but have never heard this symptom >>> described elsewhere. >>> >>> Does anyone have any ideas? >>> >> Only to try another burning application, such as >> cdrecord to see the problem arises. >> > > AFAIK, *all* cd burning apps use cdrecord. they are just GUI wrappers > around cdrecord's functionality. > > this sounds like an issue with system configuration. can you try running > k3b as root and see if the same thing happens? > > ================= > That does it. works perfectly running as root. Spits out a lot of complaints (missing database, etc), but works correctly nonetheless. Do you have any idea of what sort of configuration errors I might check for? Thanks, Gary From bob at mellowood.ca Thu Mar 1 19:12:16 2007 From: bob at mellowood.ca (Bob van der Poel) Date: Thu Mar 1 19:21:29 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] List of prefered apps... In-Reply-To: <45E74F36.2020105@gmail.com> References: <45E73CDF.2050301@starband.net> <45E74574.9000506@hawaii.rr.com> <45E74F36.2020105@gmail.com> Message-ID: <45E76BE0.6000405@mellowood.ca> MUP does this as well ... mind you, it's not free :) Atte Andr? Jensen wrote: > david wrote: > >> and some as-yet-undiscovered Linux application that can put >> more than one line of lyrics on a staff. > > That would be abcm2ps (http://moinejf.free.fr/). > > And I would be surprised if lilypond can't do that. It might be that > it's just not possible from within rosegarden (I don't use rosegarden, > so I wouldn't know). > > peace, love & harmony > Atte > > http://www.atte.dk | quintet: http://www.anagrammer.dk > | compositions: http://www.atte.dk/compositions > -- Bob van der Poel ** Wynndel, British Columbia, CANADA ** EMAIL: bob@mellowood.ca WWW: http://www.mellowood.ca From lau at kudla.org Thu Mar 1 19:40:05 2007 From: lau at kudla.org (Rob) Date: Thu Mar 1 19:45:37 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] What purpose does this list serve? In-Reply-To: <200703011152.59837.gregwilder@gregwilder.com> References: <20070217211957.GC2764@localhost> <45E6ACBB.8060603@gmail.com> <200703011152.59837.gregwilder@gregwilder.com> Message-ID: <200703011940.06029.lau@kudla.org> On Thursday 01 March 2007 11:52, Greg Wilder wrote: > Between the repeated calls to see a clone of Ableton on Linux, > machismo arguments about the finer points of DSP theory, and > the overzealous ego stroking of "I wanna sound like my > favorite band, but I don't play well enough..." amateur > musicians - what purpose does this list serve? Personally, I'm subscribed to the list to see announcements of promising tools I would otherwise have never heard of.... and to keep an easily searchable local archive for when I do foolish things like try to get low latency, JACK, ALSA and Timidity all working together. That has proved invaluable to me in the past. > Shouldn't this be a place to explore serious Linux-related > musical topics that look to the wealth of unique and versatile > Linux-based tools... In my experience, lists organically turn into the sum of the wishes of the participants.... and when those wishes come into conflict, they cancel each other out and you're left with noise. > How best to incorporate "live" web > resources in a GNU/Linux powered installation? I actually have no idea what you're even talking about here, but I retrieve web pages programmatically all the time in my non-audio-related coding. Is this a nice way of asking how to record webcasts or something? > What "AI" tools > are available to aid in the design of an intelligent > improvising partner? Can't speak for anyone else, but I have no interest in this topic whatsoever (or anything else involving live performance or improv.) > Which application/design solutions work > best for interactive sound design? What's the future of > ambisonic audio looking/sounding like? These sound more like something I would talk about on a game developer's list, myself. > "When will someone produce a chart-topping hit with Ardour" is > _not_ a serious or productive topic and has _nothing_ to do > with the reality of the industry. While I have no interest in that topic either, not every major-label artist or producer with a computer uses Protools and it's interesting to talk about what could be done to make our tools more acceptable to people not on this list. In any case, why not just start talking about what's of interest to you? If no one responds after a number of posts over a number of weeks, then you'll know you're barking up the wrong tree. If they do, then congratulations, you've improved the list AND moved it in a direction more interesting to yourself. Rob From lau at kudla.org Thu Mar 1 19:50:42 2007 From: lau at kudla.org (Rob) Date: Thu Mar 1 19:56:42 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] composing with trackers In-Reply-To: <45E74D9B.6080001@gmail.com> References: <45E57BCC.30203@woh.rr.com> <8200bab70703010644w6370ad4en174962ed55b2d2dc@mail.gmail.com> <45E74D9B.6080001@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200703011950.42914.lau@kudla.org> On Thursday 01 March 2007 17:03, Atte Andr? Jensen wrote: > I completely abandoned composing at the computer for exactly > that reason. I find it quicker to experiment with everything > from melody, harmony, lyrics, modulations to form when at the > piano. Also I found that I only make good tunes when playing > and *singing* along. I do most of my composing when I'm driving nowadays.... it must be the only time when my brain's able to disengage and let the melodies out. But sometimes I compose while sitting at the piano or with a guitar or bass on my lap. I can't recall a time when I've been able to compose anything in a computer program, but that was my ex's preferred modus operandi. He was one of those guys who would rather write sheet music and learn to play it than just sit down and play. And some of it was actually kinda good, in that sort of Philip Glass, modern classical way. Rob From gnome at hawaii.rr.com Thu Mar 1 20:55:45 2007 From: gnome at hawaii.rr.com (david) Date: Thu Mar 1 20:56:35 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] composing with trackers In-Reply-To: <200703011950.42914.lau@kudla.org> References: <45E57BCC.30203@woh.rr.com> <8200bab70703010644w6370ad4en174962ed55b2d2dc@mail.gmail.com> <45E74D9B.6080001@gmail.com> <200703011950.42914.lau@kudla.org> Message-ID: <45E78421.7070500@hawaii.rr.com> Rob wrote: > On Thursday 01 March 2007 17:03, Atte Andr? Jensen wrote: >> I completely abandoned composing at the computer for exactly >> that reason. I find it quicker to experiment with everything >> from melody, harmony, lyrics, modulations to form when at the >> piano. Also I found that I only make good tunes when playing >> and *singing* along. > > I do most of my composing when I'm driving nowadays.... it must > be the only time when my brain's able to disengage and let the > melodies out. But sometimes I compose while sitting at the > piano or with a guitar or bass on my lap. I prefer a piano, but guitar's OK. > I can't recall a time when I've been able to compose anything in > a computer program, but that was my ex's preferred modus > operandi. He was one of those guys who would rather write sheet > music and learn to play it than just sit down and play. And > some of it was actually kinda good, in that sort of Philip > Glass, modern classical way. I can do both, but playing is more a way of getting raw material into the computer, where it can be turned into a composition. -- David gnome@hawaii.rr.com authenticity, honesty, community From ken at restivo.org Thu Mar 1 20:58:56 2007 From: ken at restivo.org (Ken Restivo) Date: Thu Mar 1 21:01:22 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Command-line app to run LADSPA plugins? Message-ID: <20070302015856.GD30348@bc.restivo.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 I'm looking for a simple command-line daemon to run a processing chain of LADSPA effects. Basically, so that I can power on my machine and have a bunch of softsynths and effects running without any monitor or text-keyboard. I have scripts that start fluidsynth, scripts that setup jack_connect and aconnect, but I still need a GUI program (jack-rack) in order to get the LADSPA stuff. Somewhere there must be a non-gooey alternative. - -ken -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFF54Tge8HF+6xeOIcRAul8AKCX5h+IIImNic2U1tV5PAYSazwokgCgtk1l Lt7bDvPRqor6L+BcRHzQcFY= =V8Nq -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From zettberlin at linuxuse.de Thu Mar 1 21:09:53 2007 From: zettberlin at linuxuse.de (Hartmut Noack) Date: Thu Mar 1 21:10:07 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] What purpose does this list serve? In-Reply-To: <200703011152.59837.gregwilder@gregwilder.com> References: <20070217211957.GC2764@localhost> <70a871c80703010137m78187c71r62b2cc36f91a18a6@mail.gmail.com> <45E6ACBB.8060603@gmail.com> <200703011152.59837.gregwilder@gregwilder.com> Message-ID: <45E78771.5040101@linuxuse.de> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Greg Wilder schrieb: > Livecoding with SuperCollider, Music Composition > through Spectral Modeling Synthesis and Pure Data, Interfacing Pure Data with > Faust, Python for Sound Manipulation, Stereo, Multichannel and Binaural Sound > Spatialization in Pure-Data, A Tetrahedral Microphone Processor for Ambisonic > Recording, Visual prototyping of audio applications (CLAM), and the list goes > on and on... Well well - if this is not pure, unspoiled tech-head-machismo ;-] All of this is of course imoprtant but it is just a (maybe most advanced) part of Linux Audio - Audio on Linux means recording so-called musicians playing Instruments made of wood and wire with Ardour also, writing tunes in a scoreeditor and playing it with Specimen and Zynaddsubfx and being on stage playing ams-patches with a Keyboard. This is so-called "usage" and this is linux-audio-*user* so anything that is related to such underdeveloped aproaches to audible arts is relevant here is it not? > "When will someone produce a chart-topping hit with Ardour" is _not_ a serious > or productive topic and has _nothing_ to do with the reality of the industry. > If you wanna learn how squeeze more "thump" outta your woofers or get > more "pop" from your tweeters, why not visit a relevant forum - there are > many to choose from... Linux is not only about technology and industry - it is about freedom. And to be relevant at all it depends on usage. If people exercize freedom by playing music to their liking and using Linux to do so (beside their guitars, voices, amps, beatboxes etc.) then Linux will thrive and do the good that was intended as the 4 freedoms where declared in the first place. > Despite my sarcastic tone, these comments are not meant to be destructive. Despite my sarcastic tone, my answers are not meant to be destructive. best regards see you in Berlin ;-) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.3 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFF54dx1Aecwva1SWMRAphcAJ47FyRWOuKlugU2GRl2cWA6pQ4+tQCfR14r N8x+mPSjY07rymAw6A/hfxM= =Wjme -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From dsbaikov at gmail.com Thu Mar 1 21:12:58 2007 From: dsbaikov at gmail.com (Dmitry Baikov) Date: Thu Mar 1 21:13:15 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Audio Dropouts In-Reply-To: <45E76675.2070502@centurytel.net> References: <45E21BF5.3020708@centurytel.net> <20070225185519.GA4649@sprite> <1172496911.31095.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> <45E76675.2070502@centurytel.net> Message-ID: <70a871c80703011812r67feec69md7e14d1777bbabf2@mail.gmail.com> On 3/2/07, Gary Nored wrote: > That does it. works perfectly running as root. Spits out a lot of > complaints (missing database, etc), but works correctly nonetheless. > > Do you have any idea of what sort of configuration errors I might check for? Seems you do not have driveropts=burnfree Dmitry. From zettberlin at linuxuse.de Thu Mar 1 21:19:45 2007 From: zettberlin at linuxuse.de (Hartmut Noack) Date: Thu Mar 1 21:19:52 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] List of prefered apps... In-Reply-To: <45E73CDF.2050301@starband.net> References: <45E73CDF.2050301@starband.net> Message-ID: <45E789C1.7030804@linuxuse.de> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Russell Hanaghan schrieb: > > 1. What are your top 10 critical "must have" audio apps? Ardour Muse and/or Rosegarden Seq24 AMS ZynaddsubFX Specimen ReZound and/or MHWaveedit Hydrogen Jamin SND > 2. What are your top 5 utility apps? Qjackctl qarecord fmit alsaplayer Konqueror > 3. Considering a mid powered box, (say 1800mhz, 1 gig ram, etc) what > is your favorite WM or desktop? fluxbox > 4. How many people *don't* have at least a DVD read only drive that > you can boot from? a DVD-reader is about the equivalent of 3-4 beers in a pub if you buy it 2ndhand best regards -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.3 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFF54nB1Aecwva1SWMRAhB+AJ41aBSonHqzVzwNKnPLSKyii7hOHwCcCti9 2L7XnuqCQQWJ+Z+wtG3lLiQ= =LHir -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From nettings at folkwang-hochschule.de Thu Mar 1 21:38:27 2007 From: nettings at folkwang-hochschule.de (Joern Nettingsmeier) Date: Thu Mar 1 21:39:53 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] audio/video player for theatre use anyone? Message-ID: <45E78E23.3050406@folkwang-hochschule.de> hi *! is there an audio/video player that is suitable for theatre use? i'm thinking of a player that * allows me to bind media files to keys and play them on cue with just one keystroke; * has deterministically low latency (i.e. the time between the trigger and the actual start of playback), which probably means it needs the ability to buffer the first few seconds of each media file in RAM; * does not ever crash ;) * allows for dual-head setups with fullscreen video output on one head and user interface on the other head. midi/osc/dmx controllability would be a plus, but is not essential. limited codec support is not a problem, since the media are pre-produced and can be easily transcoded if necessary. i'm open to anything ranging from weird shellscript hacks and ramdisks to pd or gstreamer-based setups. jack support would be cool... thanks in advance, j?rn From chris at mccormick.cx Thu Mar 1 21:40:40 2007 From: chris at mccormick.cx (Chris McCormick) Date: Thu Mar 1 21:43:06 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] KnobsAndSlidersDS Message-ID: <20070302024040.GC10557@mccormick.cx> Hi, I guess I should probably announce this application here: It is a (GPL) program that runs on your Nintendo DS and allows you to dynamically create knobs and sliders that you can interface with using the touchscreen. All of the data goes over the network, so basically it allows you to use your Nintendo DS touchscreen as a controller interface to your Puredata patches (or any other program that supports the FUDI protocol) on your PC/laptop. It only has very basic features right now, but I'm releasing early, releasing somewhat often. Have fun. Best, Chris. ------------------- chris@mccormick.cx http://mccormick.cx From petespin at att.net Thu Mar 1 22:15:45 2007 From: petespin at att.net (Peter Finnegan) Date: Thu Mar 1 22:15:55 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] List of prefered apps... In-Reply-To: <45E73CDF.2050301@starband.net> References: <45E73CDF.2050301@starband.net> Message-ID: <1172805345.3039.10.camel@gracie> On Thu, 2007-03-01 at 12:51 -0800, Russell Hanaghan wrote: > Hi all, > > Oh...FWIW.... I LOVE you guys! :) > > Meanwhile, > > I would like a list of preferred apps from anyone who responds. If you > had an Audio LiveCD you could pop in your machine and boot it up, what > would you most prefer to see there? > I have sampled them all recently and while they look great, work > reasonably well and have lots of stuff in them application wise, I'm not > convinced the simplicity is as honed as it can be. > > 1. What are your top 10 critical "must have" audio apps? Ardour Lilypond (I guess it's not audio, but it is critical for me to get audio out of others I work with ) Ecasound jackd qjackctl Audacity Hydrogen > 2. What are your top 5 utility apps? > 3. Considering a mid powered box, (say 1800mhz, 1 gig ram, etc) what > is your favorite WM or desktop? GNOME, XFCE4, and Windowmaker (I can't decide) > 4. How many people *don't* have at least a DVD read only drive that > you can boot from? Oddly enough, the only place where I do not have access to a DVD reader is at work. But the machines do have cd-r/rw. > > YOur contribution would be very much appreciated. > > Regards, > Russell > From petespin at att.net Thu Mar 1 22:16:57 2007 From: petespin at att.net (Peter Finnegan) Date: Thu Mar 1 22:17:08 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] List of prefered apps... In-Reply-To: <45E74F36.2020105@gmail.com> References: <45E73CDF.2050301@starband.net> <45E74574.9000506@hawaii.rr.com> <45E74F36.2020105@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1172805417.3039.11.camel@gracie> On Thu, 2007-03-01 at 23:09 +0100, Atte Andr? Jensen wrote: > david wrote: > > > and some as-yet-undiscovered Linux application that can put > > more than one line of lyrics on a staff. > > That would be abcm2ps (http://moinejf.free.fr/). > > And I would be surprised if lilypond can't do that. It might be that > it's just not possible from within rosegarden (I don't use rosegarden, > so I wouldn't know). Yes, Lilypond definitely can do more than one line of lyrics on a staff. > peace, love & harmony > Atte > > http://www.atte.dk | quintet: http://www.anagrammer.dk > | compositions: http://www.atte.dk/compositions From petespin at att.net Thu Mar 1 22:18:37 2007 From: petespin at att.net (Peter Finnegan) Date: Thu Mar 1 22:18:54 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Logo for the Linux Sound & MIDI Software Wiki In-Reply-To: <20070301203644.GE5472@charly.SWORD> References: <45E5BDA2.2000405@gareus.org> <20070301135203.GB5472@charly.SWORD> <20070301203644.GE5472@charly.SWORD> Message-ID: <1172805517.3039.14.camel@gracie> On Thu, 2007-03-01 at 21:36 +0100, Thorsten Wilms wrote: > On Thu, Mar 01, 2007 at 02:52:03PM +0100, Thorsten Wilms wrote: > > > > Rough logo concept: > > http://thorwil.affenbande.org/index.php/2007/03/01/appslinuxaudioorg-01/ > > Continued: > http://thorwil.affenbande.org/index.php/2007/03/01/appslinuxaudioorg-02/ > > I would prefer comments here, there I have to approve every single > one. Once in a while the blog is spam flooded (blacklisting some > words seems to have cut down on what I see, though). > > Please keep in mind that it will be used in much smaller size, > I made it big here so you guys can check my types in detail :) > > Box shadow got cutoff somehow, I know. I like the evolution in the process thus far. I like how the light works in number 2. From ken at restivo.org Thu Mar 1 22:51:51 2007 From: ken at restivo.org (Ken Restivo) Date: Thu Mar 1 22:52:20 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] What purpose does this list serve? In-Reply-To: <45E78771.5040101@linuxuse.de> References: <20070217211957.GC2764@localhost> <70a871c80703010137m78187c71r62b2cc36f91a18a6@mail.gmail.com> <45E6ACBB.8060603@gmail.com> <200703011152.59837.gregwilder@gregwilder.com> <45E78771.5040101@linuxuse.de> Message-ID: <20070302035151.GA3024@bc.restivo.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Fri, Mar 02, 2007 at 03:09:53AM +0100, Hartmut Noack wrote: > Greg Wilder schrieb: > > > Livecoding with SuperCollider, Music Composition > > through Spectral Modeling Synthesis and Pure Data, Interfacing Pure Data with > > Faust, Python for Sound Manipulation, Stereo, Multichannel and Binaural Sound > > Spatialization in Pure-Data, A Tetrahedral Microphone Processor for Ambisonic > > Recording, Visual prototyping of audio applications (CLAM), and the list goes > > on and on... > > Well well - if this is not pure, unspoiled tech-head-machismo ;-] > > All of this is of course imoprtant but it is just a (maybe most > advanced) part of Linux Audio - Audio on Linux means recording so-called > musicians playing Instruments made of wood and wire with Ardour also, > writing tunes in a scoreeditor and playing it with Specimen and > Zynaddsubfx and being on stage playing ams-patches with a Keyboard. > This is so-called "usage" and this is linux-audio-*user* so anything > that is related to such underdeveloped aproaches to audible arts is > relevant here is it not? > > > > "When will someone produce a chart-topping hit with Ardour" is _not_ a serious > > or productive topic and has _nothing_ to do with the reality of the industry. > > If you wanna learn how squeeze more "thump" outta your woofers or get > > more "pop" from your tweeters, why not visit a relevant forum - there are > > many to choose from... > > Linux is not only about technology and industry - it is about freedom. > And to be relevant at all it depends on usage. If people exercize > freedom by playing music to their liking and using Linux to do so > (beside their guitars, voices, amps, beatboxes etc.) then Linux will > thrive and do the good that was intended as the 4 freedoms where > declared in the first place. > > Well-said. I'm in it for (1) the music, (2) the freedom, and (3) the nerd-wankery. Due to my financial situation, I could not have been able to pursue (1) or (3) if others hadn't made (2) happen, and I am especially grateful to everyone who cares about (2). I also care about it for ideological and political reasons as well as practical reasons too. I think of this list as kind of like the "Slashdot" of Linux Audio. Many of the flamewars and rants are very similar-- if not identical-- to those that have occured on general-purpose FOSS forums like /. et al., for nearly a decade, and that's OK with me. As someone else mentioned: this phenomenon is the nature of general-purpose lists which represent the intersection (collision?) of many different groups of people with different interests, biases, backgrounds, and perspectives. I used to live in Noo Yawk. It's noisy there too. I wouldn't want to live there anymore, but it is always stimulating to visit-- the noise certainly hasn't diminished its value. The rants and flamewars are a distraction and often a waste of time, but sometimes the distraction is welcome. Sometimes I enjoy reading arguments and arguing. The real value of this list is that it is such a mixed bag. In order of value, this is what I get from this list: A) Announcements and "passing mention" of software that is either new or new to me. I never would have heard of the new l2dynparam version of zyn, or of jack_capture, or of jackdmp, or of tons of other stuff, without seeing it float by on this list. B) A place to discuss or ask about technologies/programs that either don't have their own mailing list, or transcend the narrow focus of any existing list. A good example is zyn above, or the recent discussion of AMS vs. OM/Ingen, or of the merits/limitations of Rosegarden vs. Muse, etc. These discussions need a general audience. C) I don't check lam.fugal.net often enough, so I very much enjoy the "Hey, I just wrote this, what do you guys think?" posts. Always fun to hear new music and be part of the cameraderie with fellow musician-composer-nerds. And to read the comments and feedback. I can't imagine that happening on any other list. D) The aforementioned distraction-value. I'm procrastinating right now by reading and responding to this thread. Sometimes the distraction is fun. - -ken -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFF559Xe8HF+6xeOIcRAlJqAJkBWdGIQsbY4xJJ9B0b6/8yqVjp/gCgqSru cKIZqqJ1mQZ0+z5o+7K0Wyk= =wFWU -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From badmuthahubbard at gmail.com Fri Mar 2 01:19:33 2007 From: badmuthahubbard at gmail.com (Chuckk Hubbard) Date: Fri Mar 2 01:19:56 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Thickness envy In-Reply-To: <1172787556.6569.7.camel@localhost> References: <20070228143035.GA19941@mccormick.cx> <8200bab70703010646n10c7dc73u7543c15974fe13cd@mail.gmail.com> <1172787556.6569.7.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <8200bab70703012219r25070216o6736d4196778c097@mail.gmail.com> I did find them then, heh. I didn't mean to be critical, seriously, I've just taken two "music business" classes this year which have infused me with the attitude that one's music should be the first, most obvious thing presented. If it matters as much to you as to me, I think what threw me off (as someone who had no idea who you were) was just the passive wording of "anything art and music goes there," which sort of removes "my" or "I" from the statement. At first I thought it was you hosting others' music. I'm overanalyzing, and you obviously have a lot more going on than the music, but the music production is awesome. I look forward to absorbing knowledge from you as well. -Chuckk On 3/1/07, Leonard Ritter wrote: > check www.paniq.org > > On Thu, 2007-03-01 at 09:46 -0500, Chuckk Hubbard wrote: > > I might have a few suggestions, but I'm having trouble finding these > > Leonard Ritter tracks. > > Leonard - whatever else you may excel at, you get an F for > > self-promotion! (still better than an A for self-promotion and an F > > for talent) > > > > -Chuckk > > > > On 2/28/07, Chris McCormick wrote: > > > Hey All, > > > > > > I listened to the tracks that Leonard Ritter posted recently and then > > > listened to my own latest track immediately after, which made me realise > > > how innadequate it sounds, no matter how loud I turn it up. Does anyone > > > have any mastering tips? I have no idea about mastering. Leonard, how > > > do you get your stuff to sound so fat? Here's my track that doesn't > > > sound fat enough: > > > > > > > > > > > > It's also written in a tracker. > > > > > > Best, > > > > > > Chris. > > > > > > ------------------- > > > chris@mccormick.cx > > > http://mccormick.cx > > > > > > > > -- > Leonard Ritter > > -- Freelance Art & Logic > -- http://www.leonard-ritter.com > > > -- http://www.badmuthahubbard.com From badmuthahubbard at gmail.com Fri Mar 2 02:20:17 2007 From: badmuthahubbard at gmail.com (Chuckk Hubbard) Date: Fri Mar 2 02:20:41 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] What purpose does this list serve? In-Reply-To: <200703011152.59837.gregwilder@gregwilder.com> References: <20070217211957.GC2764@localhost> <70a871c80703010137m78187c71r62b2cc36f91a18a6@mail.gmail.com> <45E6ACBB.8060603@gmail.com> <200703011152.59837.gregwilder@gregwilder.com> Message-ID: <8200bab70703012320n3512c113hdb851346b957a577@mail.gmail.com> Hello there. I recall an exchange we had before. Nice to talk to a fellow Philly Pd user! I joined this list for the sole purpose of getting Linux audio working at all! I haven't succeeded, but until my senior recital is over I won't have time to wrestle with it. Supposedly the Alsa module now supports my card, but last I tried it still wouldn't squawk. It doesn't seem like this is the focus of the group, but I fully expect some experts to chime in once I get to asking specific questions. -Chuckk On 3/1/07, Greg Wilder wrote: > Between the repeated calls to see a clone of Ableton on Linux, machismo > arguments about the finer points of DSP theory, and the overzealous ego > stroking of "I wanna sound like my favorite band, but I don't play well > enough..." amateur musicians - what purpose does this list serve? > > Shouldn't this be a place to explore serious Linux-related musical topics that > look to the wealth of unique and versatile Linux-based tools... How best to > incorporate "live" web resources in a GNU/Linux powered installation? > What "AI" tools are available to aid in the design of an intelligent > improvising partner? Which application/design solutions work best for > interactive sound design? What's the future of ambisonic audio > looking/sounding like? > > Casually glancing over the Linux Audio Conference schedule provides numerous > interesting thread topics: Livecoding with SuperCollider, Music Composition > through Spectral Modeling Synthesis and Pure Data, Interfacing Pure Data with > Faust, Python for Sound Manipulation, Stereo, Multichannel and Binaural Sound > Spatialization in Pure-Data, A Tetrahedral Microphone Processor for Ambisonic > Recording, Visual prototyping of audio applications (CLAM), and the list goes > on and on... > > "When will someone produce a chart-topping hit with Ardour" is _not_ a serious > or productive topic and has _nothing_ to do with the reality of the industry. > If you wanna learn how squeeze more "thump" outta your woofers or get > more "pop" from your tweeters, why not visit a relevant forum - there are > many to choose from... > > I'm sure I'm in the minority on this, but I'd like to see a show of hands - > how many of you are lurking on this list with the faint hope that some tiny > (but usefull) bit of information might just drop from the sky? > > Despite my sarcastic tone, these comments are not meant to be destructive. I > hope they might be a wake up call to a community that deserves better. > > Bombs away... > > G > > -- http://www.badmuthahubbard.com From badmuthahubbard at gmail.com Fri Mar 2 02:23:34 2007 From: badmuthahubbard at gmail.com (Chuckk Hubbard) Date: Fri Mar 2 02:23:52 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] composing with trackers In-Reply-To: <45E74D9B.6080001@gmail.com> References: <45E57BCC.30203@woh.rr.com> <8200bab70703010644w6370ad4en174962ed55b2d2dc@mail.gmail.com> <45E74D9B.6080001@gmail.com> Message-ID: <8200bab70703012323k111122favb382bec6525691ac@mail.gmail.com> On 3/1/07, Atte Andr? Jensen wrote: > Chuckk Hubbard wrote: > > > I bet people's music would be far more beautiful if they would sing > > freely and often and then transcribe what they were singing, instead > > of transcribing before the music even exists. > > True! > > I completely abandoned composing at the computer for exactly that > reason. I find it quicker to experiment with everything from melody, > harmony, lyrics, modulations to form when at the piano. Also I found > that I only make good tunes when playing and *singing* along. I had an interesting quandary, though, a few years ago, when I became interested in extended just intonation tunings, with no limits on modulation, i.e., an indefinite number of possible notes, so no scale. There could be ways to make keyboards do it, by modulating with a pedal or something, but I found software to be pretty quick. I wish now that I had the piano skills I was just starting to develop when I stopped, but I'm still more interested in extended, unscaled tunings. -Chuckk From badmuthahubbard at gmail.com Fri Mar 2 02:25:24 2007 From: badmuthahubbard at gmail.com (Chuckk Hubbard) Date: Fri Mar 2 02:25:40 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] composing with trackers In-Reply-To: <200703011950.42914.lau@kudla.org> References: <45E57BCC.30203@woh.rr.com> <8200bab70703010644w6370ad4en174962ed55b2d2dc@mail.gmail.com> <45E74D9B.6080001@gmail.com> <200703011950.42914.lau@kudla.org> Message-ID: <8200bab70703012325i44749281m442c897fc3c0fcb0@mail.gmail.com> On 3/1/07, Rob wrote: > On Thursday 01 March 2007 17:03, Atte Andr? Jensen wrote: > > I completely abandoned composing at the computer for exactly > > that reason. I find it quicker to experiment with everything > > from melody, harmony, lyrics, modulations to form when at the > > piano. Also I found that I only make good tunes when playing > > and *singing* along. > > I do most of my composing when I'm driving nowadays.... it must > be the only time when my brain's able to disengage and let the > melodies out. But sometimes I compose while sitting at the > piano or with a guitar or bass on my lap. I sing any time I drive, and it really feels awesome to exercise what I've learned in school. Alas, I'm in Philly, and I left my vehicle at my mom's house while I'm here, so I pretty much only drive when I'm on break. If I would just not care and sing everywhere, I'd likely be a far better musician for it! (and have far fewer friends) -Chuckk From gnome at hawaii.rr.com Fri Mar 2 03:14:29 2007 From: gnome at hawaii.rr.com (david) Date: Fri Mar 2 03:32:20 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] List of prefered apps... In-Reply-To: <45E74F36.2020105@gmail.com> References: <45E73CDF.2050301@starband.net> <45E74574.9000506@hawaii.rr.com> <45E74F36.2020105@gmail.com> Message-ID: <45E7DCE5.2040502@hawaii.rr.com> Atte Andr? Jensen wrote: > david wrote: > >> and some as-yet-undiscovered Linux application that can put >> more than one line of lyrics on a staff. > > That would be abcm2ps (http://moinejf.free.fr/). Thanks, the latest stable version installed nicely from the repository. Will have to see how it works into the flow. > And I would be surprised if lilypond can't do that. It might be that > it's just not possible from within rosegarden (I don't use rosegarden, > so I wouldn't know). Rosegarden only allows one line of lyrics per note, apparently. I have Lilypond here, but I'd prefer a GUI app that could handle it. Denemo's online help mentions a kludge that sort of lets you do multiple lyrics, but mentions that they're not sure what problems might result from it. Sounds like this is one area where the commercial Windows apps are ahead of Linux apps? -- David gnome@hawaii.rr.com authenticity, honesty, community From k.s.matheussen at notam02.no Fri Mar 2 03:15:22 2007 From: k.s.matheussen at notam02.no (Kjetil S. Matheussen) Date: Fri Mar 2 03:32:26 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: What purpose does this list serve? In-Reply-To: <20070301202108.1F9536E6C061@music.columbia.edu> References: <20070301202108.1F9536E6C061@music.columbia.edu> Message-ID: "Josh Lawrence": > > On 3/1/07, Greg Wilder wrote: >> Shouldn't this be a place to explore serious Linux-related musical topics that >> look to the wealth of unique and versatile Linux-based tools... How best to >> incorporate "live" web resources in a GNU/Linux powered installation? >> What "AI" tools are available to aid in the design of an intelligent >> improvising partner? Which application/design solutions work best for >> interactive sound design? What's the future of ambisonic audio >> looking/sounding like? > > p:d, Chuck et al have mailing lists that I'm sure would address your > specific need. I would estimate the number of really good sound programming environments available for linux to be around 20 (this is _the area_ where linux really shines compared to other platformes). So, it makes more sence to have discussions about topics such as ambisonic audio and things like that on this list rather than one of the sound programming environment lists. > I would also bet that discussions of that type would > be welcome here, too. Why don't you start some specific threads about > the topics you would like to discuss? I know I would find them > interesting. > Yes. :-) From k.s.matheussen at notam02.no Fri Mar 2 03:36:26 2007 From: k.s.matheussen at notam02.no (Kjetil S. Matheussen) Date: Fri Mar 2 03:43:17 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: List of prefered apps... In-Reply-To: <20070301221916.200C86E7A8C0@music.columbia.edu> References: <20070301221916.200C86E7A8C0@music.columbia.edu> Message-ID: Russell Hanaghan: > > Hi all, > > Oh...FWIW.... I LOVE you guys! :) > > Meanwhile, > > I would like a list of preferred apps from anyone who responds. If you > had an Audio LiveCD you could pop in your machine and boot it up, what > would you most prefer to see there? > I have sampled them all recently and while they look great, work > reasonably well and have lots of stuff in them application wise, I'm not > convinced the simplicity is as honed as it can be. > Okay. > 1. What are your top 10 critical "must have" audio apps? Ardour, ceres, clm/cmn/cm, jack_capture, jackd/qjackctl, jamin, mplayer/mencoder, pure data, radium/e-radium, snd/snd-ls. > 2. What are your top 5 utility apps? Emacs, firefox, guile, opera, pine > 3. Considering a mid powered box, (say 1800mhz, 1 gig ram, etc) what > is your favorite WM or desktop? Fvwm > 4. How many people *don't* have at least a DVD read only drive that > you can boot from? > Sorry, I have it. :-) From emillo at libero.it Fri Mar 2 04:08:39 2007 From: emillo at libero.it (Emiliano Grilli) Date: Fri Mar 2 04:08:53 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] List of prefered apps... In-Reply-To: <45E73CDF.2050301@starband.net> References: <45E73CDF.2050301@starband.net> Message-ID: <20070302090839.GA7647@emillo.net> gioved?, 01 marzo 2007 alle 12:51:43, Russell Hanaghan ha scritto: > 1. What are your top 10 critical "must have" audio apps? Ardour Rosegarden Muse Rezound Audacity ZynAddSubFX Qsynth/fluidsynth Hydrogen Csound Ecasound > 2. What are your top 5 utility apps? Sox, timidity, lame/oggenc/flac, abc, vim > 3. Considering a mid powered box, (say 1800mhz, 1 gig ram, etc) what > is your favorite WM or desktop? Gnome :) > 4. How many people *don't* have at least a DVD read only drive that > you can boot from? Many > YOur contribution would be very much appreciated. > > Regards, > Russell Best, -- Emiliano Grilli Linux user #209089 http://www.emillo.net From ken at restivo.org Fri Mar 2 04:11:03 2007 From: ken at restivo.org (Ken Restivo) Date: Fri Mar 2 04:11:32 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Any way to bring RTSynth back from the orphanage? Message-ID: <20070302091103.GA18482@bc.restivo.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 I played with RTSynth a bit, it generates some cool sounds. But, it looks completely orphaned! The distribution I got was binary-only, no source code. Really weird, never seen that before in a Linux project. I emailed the author, to find out where the source distribution is, and his email bounced as undeliverable. The website hasn't been updated since 2003. Anyway, what's up? Anyone have a source tarball of the source for the latest version of it (with JACK/ALSA support)? - -ken -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFF5+one8HF+6xeOIcRAr07AKD6rlKV6cibpnVA9rDM9x7DADMOGwCgsJzF DIlAfwStL5OA//Z2CmXn3wo= =9lGs -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From rj at spamatica.se Fri Mar 2 04:23:18 2007 From: rj at spamatica.se (Robert Jonsson) Date: Fri Mar 2 04:23:58 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Any way to bring RTSynth back from the orphanage? In-Reply-To: <20070302091103.GA18482@bc.restivo.org> References: <20070302091103.GA18482@bc.restivo.org> Message-ID: <200703021023.18636.rj@spamatica.se> Hi, On Friday 02 March 2007 10:11, Ken Restivo wrote: > I played with RTSynth a bit, it generates some cool sounds. > > But, it looks completely orphaned! The distribution I got was binary-only, > no source code. Really weird, never seen that before in a Linux project. I don't know the reasons but RTSynth has always been closed source. It's odd for Linux and a potential problem if the sources and or Stefan ever gets lost. But I for one respect his decision, it's jack and alsa compatible and can be used by anyone. > > I emailed the author, to find out where the source distribution is, and his > email bounced as undeliverable. The website hasn't been updated since 2003. > > Anyway, what's up? Anyone have a source tarball of the source for the > latest version of it (with JACK/ALSA support)? There was actually an update in december (announced here), so it's actually alive. I think there's a new homepage. http://www.linux-sound.org/rtsynth/ I tried it at the time and it works, there's some wonderfully wierd sounds hiding in there :-). /Robert > > -ken From dave at pawfal.org Fri Mar 2 05:16:27 2007 From: dave at pawfal.org (Dave Griffiths) Date: Fri Mar 2 05:16:39 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] composing with trackers In-Reply-To: <45E74D9B.6080001@gmail.com> References: <45E57BCC.30203@woh.rr.com> <8200bab70703010644w6370ad4en174962ed55b2d2dc@mail.gmail.com> <45E74D9B.6080001@gmail.com> Message-ID: <47599.217.18.21.2.1172830587.squirrel@webmail.pawfal.org> > Chuckk Hubbard wrote: > >> I bet people's music would be far more beautiful if they would sing >> freely and often and then transcribe what they were singing, instead >> of transcribing before the music even exists. > > True! > > I completely abandoned composing at the computer for exactly that > reason. I find it quicker to experiment with everything from melody, > harmony, lyrics, modulations to form when at the piano. Also I found > that I only make good tunes when playing and *singing* along. > > I'm sure others have succeeded where I failed, but that how it works for > me. To present a totally different angle - I learnt all my musical theory using a tracker (never having done any traditional music except bellringing years ago), and now livecode all my music, which feels like the most natural way to do it for me. Livecoding also means I can create visuals and animation *at the same time* as music - which is kind of a goal in itself for me. Also linux is a really good environment for this kind of experimentation. cheers, dave From mobarre at gmail.com Fri Mar 2 06:09:25 2007 From: mobarre at gmail.com (Marc-Olivier Barre) Date: Fri Mar 2 06:09:44 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Open letter to Steve Ballmer Message-ID: <3c808a150703020309v7cfbad95h562ee845aa775233@mail.gmail.com> Hi, Since Microsoft recent audio related patent "that looks a lot like ALSA", I thought this could be interesting : http://www.showusthecode.com/ In short it's an open letter to Steve Ballmer asking him to show the code and patents that Linux supposedly copied from Microsoft (haha, what a joke...) Happy reading, __________________ Marc-Olivier Barre, Markinoko. From opendaw at jacklab.org Fri Mar 2 07:18:53 2007 From: opendaw at jacklab.org (Michael Bohle) Date: Fri Mar 2 06:23:47 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] List of prefered apps... In-Reply-To: <45E73CDF.2050301@starband.net> References: <45E73CDF.2050301@starband.net> Message-ID: <200703021318.53452.opendaw@jacklab.org> > 1. What are your top 10 critical "must have" audio apps? Ardour EnergyXT2 Some native VSTs (eg ZynAdd) Audacity Sooperlooper ... ... ... ... ... > 2. What are your top 5 utility apps? Konqueror K3B Konversation Firefox XMMS > 3. Considering a mid powered box, (say 1800mhz, 1 gig ram, etc) what > is your favorite WM or desktop? Enlightenment 17 > 4. How many people *don't* have at least a DVD read only drive that > you can boot from? H?a? we live in 2007 ;) > > YOur contribution would be very much appreciated. Let me guess - another (the 6th) Debian based Multimediadistro? M. > > Regards, > Russell -- .:www.jacklab.net:. ProAudio for openSUSE Linux From yves at jazzcomputer.org Fri Mar 2 07:12:21 2007 From: yves at jazzcomputer.org (Yves Potin) Date: Fri Mar 2 07:13:20 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Caps metronome Message-ID: <20070302121221.GI2845@localhost> Hi. Could somone tell me how to find the metronome which is part of Caps in a jack-rack ? Its name is click. I can find it quite everywhere, for example in Ardour, but not in jack-rack. Or would there be a trick to have a simple graphical jack-enabled metronome ? A patch for gtick would really be a must... Thanks in advance, Y. [I] media-plugins/caps-plugins Installed versions: 0.3.0-r1 [I] media-sound/jack-rack Installed versions: 1.4.5 From nickycopeland at hotmail.com Fri Mar 2 08:37:06 2007 From: nickycopeland at hotmail.com (Nick Copeland) Date: Fri Mar 2 08:47:50 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Open letter to Steve Ballmer In-Reply-To: <3c808a150703020309v7cfbad95h562ee845aa775233@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: If Microsoft patent any capabilities that are present in the ALSA codestream them ALSA itself is exempt from the patent. This is written into the patent laws, they cover the possibliity that somebody had a product that was later patented by some other, wiser party. If the company in potential infringment can prove prior implementation then they are exempt. The exact wording of the exemption would probably require legal interpretation, however if Microsoft have patents applied for that cover features already implemented by ALSA then not only are implementations of the ALSA driver exempt (prior implementation can be proven based on driver distribution dates to precede the patent application) but at the same time there is a seperate issue that if Microsoft did take out a patent of an ALSA capability then under the terms of the GPL they may legally be required to make their code publicly available as it arguably must have been based on the open sourced capabilities. Regards. >From: "Marc-Olivier Barre" >Reply-To: A list for linux audio users > >To: "Linux Audio Dev List" ,"A list for >linux audio users" >Subject: [linux-audio-user] Open letter to Steve Ballmer >Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2007 12:09:25 +0100 > >Hi, > >Since Microsoft recent audio related patent "that looks a lot like >ALSA", I thought this could be interesting : > >http://www.showusthecode.com/ > >In short it's an open letter to Steve Ballmer asking him to show the >code and patents that Linux supposedly copied from Microsoft (haha, >what a joke...) > >Happy reading, >__________________ >Marc-Olivier Barre, >Markinoko. _________________________________________________________________ Don't just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ From v2 at iki.fi Fri Mar 2 08:43:36 2007 From: v2 at iki.fi (Sampo Savolainen) Date: Fri Mar 2 08:58:23 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Caps metronome In-Reply-To: <20070302121221.GI2845@localhost> References: <20070302121221.GI2845@localhost> Message-ID: <1172843016.10836.0.camel@mustis> On Fri, 2007-03-02 at 13:12 +0100, Yves Potin wrote: > Hi. > Could somone tell me how to find the metronome which is part of > Caps in a jack-rack ? Its name is click. I can find it quite everywhere, > for example in Ardour, but not in jack-rack. > Or would there be a trick to have a simple graphical jack-enabled > metronome ? A patch for gtick would really be a must... > Thanks in advance, It's in caps, the name is "CAPS: Click". Sampo From dlphillips at woh.rr.com Fri Mar 2 09:03:54 2007 From: dlphillips at woh.rr.com (Dave Phillips) Date: Fri Mar 2 08:58:32 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: What purpose does this list serve? In-Reply-To: References: <20070301202108.1F9536E6C061@music.columbia.edu> Message-ID: <45E82ECA.7080502@woh.rr.com> Umm, it's the only list I'm subscribed to where I can read posts about thickness envy and still feel good about myself ? From nedko at arnaudov.name Fri Mar 2 09:06:04 2007 From: nedko at arnaudov.name (Nedko Arnaudov) Date: Fri Mar 2 09:16:16 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] List of prefered apps... In-Reply-To: <45E73CDF.2050301@starband.net> (Russell Hanaghan's message of "Thu, 01 Mar 2007 12:51:43 -0800") References: <45E73CDF.2050301@starband.net> Message-ID: <87abyvkaer.fsf@arnaudov.name> Russell Hanaghan writes: > 1. What are your top 10 critical "must have" audio apps? in no particular order: jack ardour muse rosegarden qsynth patchage meterbridge jack_mixer jack_rack hydrogen These are the "released" ones. > 2. What are your top 5 utility apps? No idea how to distinguish those. Maybe these apps would be useful for most: bash, firefox, xchat, gaim, wget > 3. Considering a mid powered box, (say 1800mhz, 1 gig ram, etc) what > is your favorite WM or desktop? ion3 > 4. How many people *don't* have at least a DVD read only drive that > you can boot from? Everybody I know has DVD but I have not heard of anybody booting from it. I have never tried too. -- Nedko Arnaudov -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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How many people *don't* have at least a DVD read only drive that >> you can boot from? dont' know how many, but i do. -- .pltk. From ats at offog.org Fri Mar 2 09:44:37 2007 From: ats at offog.org (Adam Sampson) Date: Fri Mar 2 09:48:22 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Command-line app to run LADSPA plugins? In-Reply-To: <20070302015856.GD30348@bc.restivo.org> (Ken Restivo's message of "Thu, 1 Mar 2007 17:58:56 -0800") References: <20070302015856.GD30348@bc.restivo.org> Message-ID: Ken Restivo writes: > I'm looking for a simple command-line daemon to run a processing > chain of LADSPA effects. You're probably after ecasound: ecasound \ -i jack_auto -o jack_auto \ -el:fbdelay_5s,0.5,0.2,0.5 \ -el:freeverb3,0,0.12,0.05,0.1,0.5,0.9 By default that'll connect itself to alsa_pcm for input and output; if you want to automatically connect to a different host's ports, you can say something like "-i jack_auto,fluidsynth". The numeric parameters after the plugin name are in the same order that JACK Rack shows them in, so you can test your effects chain in JACK Rack then fairly straightforwardly translate it to an ecasound invocation. (Actually, perhaps JACK Rack should be able to give you an ecasound command line, or should come with a tool to run a saved rack with ecasound... that one's going on the projects list.) -- Adam Sampson From ciccolix at tiscalinet.it Fri Mar 2 09:46:51 2007 From: ciccolix at tiscalinet.it (ciccolix) Date: Fri Mar 2 09:51:32 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] delta 1010LT more input Message-ID: <45E838DB.3040502@tiscalinet.it> Hi, I have one m-audio delta 1010LT, it work fine when I record eight traces through jack (capture_1-8). Qjackctl show me also the capture_9-12 as readable clients. Two of these probably are one stereo digital input (the s/pdif), the others two? There is a way in order to record more then 8 track at the same time ? many thanks -- Lazzaro From ats at offog.org Fri Mar 2 10:32:45 2007 From: ats at offog.org (Adam Sampson) Date: Fri Mar 2 10:33:23 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] List of prefered apps... In-Reply-To: <45E73CDF.2050301@starband.net> (Russell Hanaghan's message of "Thu, 01 Mar 2007 12:51:43 -0800") References: <45E73CDF.2050301@starband.net> Message-ID: Russell Hanaghan writes: > 1. What are your top 10 critical "must have" audio apps? jackd qjackctl (for the "Connect" window) JACK Rack Ardour fluidsynth Aeolus Hexter Audacity (or mhwaveedit) Meterbridge FLAC But I'd be willing to trade a couple of those for a decent set of soundfonts to use with fluidsynth -- I'd like at least a decent grand piano and Rhodes. Similarly, having all the LADSPA plugins you can find is useful. > 2. What are your top 5 utility apps? Assuming you mean other tools that I couldn't live without for music-making: Python xterm or rxvt-unicode (i.e. a decent terminal emulator) ssh VIM Firefox > 3. Considering a mid powered box, (say 1800mhz, 1 gig ram, etc) what > is your favorite WM or desktop? XFCE4. > 4. How many people *don't* have at least a DVD read only drive that > you can boot from? Me. I don't support DRM-encumbered formats. -- Adam Sampson From jh at brainiac.com Fri Mar 2 10:34:16 2007 From: jh at brainiac.com (Joe Hartley) Date: Fri Mar 2 10:36:41 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] delta 1010LT more input In-Reply-To: <45E838DB.3040502@tiscalinet.it> References: <45E838DB.3040502@tiscalinet.it> Message-ID: <20070302103416.c4c9b731.jh@brainiac.com> On Fri, 02 Mar 2007 15:46:51 +0100 ciccolix wrote: > I have one m-audio delta 1010LT, it work fine when I record eight traces > through jack (capture_1-8). > > Qjackctl show me also the capture_9-12 as readable clients. Two of these > probably are one stereo digital input (the s/pdif), the others two? > There is a way in order to record more then 8 track at the same time ? You can record 10 channels at once - 8 analog and the 2 S/PDIF channels. The other 2 are the digital mixer channels, which can be recorded as an "on the fly" mixdown, but aren't really additional channels to use. -- ====================================================================== Joe Hartley - UNIX/network Consultant - jh@brainiac.com Without deviation from the norm, "progress" is not possible. - FZappa From rlrevell at joe-job.com Fri Mar 2 10:47:42 2007 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Fri Mar 2 10:55:23 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] Open letter to Steve Ballmer In-Reply-To: References: <3c808a150703020309v7cfbad95h562ee845aa775233@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <75b66ecd0703020747q5ba69f69n4fa6f7db497b78a@mail.gmail.com> On 3/2/07, Nick Copeland wrote: > If Microsoft patent any capabilities that are present in the ALSA codestream > them ALSA itself is exempt from the patent. This is written into the patent > laws, they cover the possibliity that somebody had a product that was later > patented by some other, wiser party. If the company in potential infringment > can prove prior implementation then they are exempt. > Prior art doesn't exempt the first implementor, it invalidates the patent, at least in the US. Lee From steiner at block4.com Fri Mar 2 10:55:23 2007 From: steiner at block4.com (Malte Steiner) Date: Fri Mar 2 11:00:25 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] AMS Message-ID: <45E848EB.5070802@block4.com> I downloaded and read the code of AMS and see some possibilities to improve its CPU load, it doesnt looked very optimized. Next week I could do the coding and send the patches to Fons, whom I already contacted. My approach I would descripe evolutionary, not revolutionary. Its like opening a big expensive vintage Moog Modular for soldering. I dont want to rewrite the soundengine, but like to help with optimizations and improvements regarding usebility. The changes have to be done very carefully and I will do an A/B test with the old AMS on the left and the new AMS on the right ear. Thats all I can offer... Cheers, Malte -- Malte Steiner media art + development -www.block4.com- next events: 2.3. DJ together with Xyramat at The Thing Party, Buttclub Hamburg From ciccolix at tiscalinet.it Fri Mar 2 10:55:46 2007 From: ciccolix at tiscalinet.it (ciccolix) Date: Fri Mar 2 11:06:19 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] delta 1010LT more input In-Reply-To: <20070302103416.c4c9b731.jh@brainiac.com> References: <45E838DB.3040502@tiscalinet.it> <20070302103416.c4c9b731.jh@brainiac.com> Message-ID: <45E84902.6070009@tiscalinet.it> Joe Hartley ha scritto: > You can record 10 channels at once - 8 analog and the 2 S/PDIF channels the 2 S/PDIF channels need a converter, someone can suggest a A/D converter for this pourpose many thanks -- Lazzaro From badmuthahubbard at gmail.com Fri Mar 2 10:58:26 2007 From: badmuthahubbard at gmail.com (Chuckk Hubbard) Date: Fri Mar 2 11:08:30 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] composing with trackers In-Reply-To: <47599.217.18.21.2.1172830587.squirrel@webmail.pawfal.org> References: <45E57BCC.30203@woh.rr.com> <8200bab70703010644w6370ad4en174962ed55b2d2dc@mail.gmail.com> <45E74D9B.6080001@gmail.com> <47599.217.18.21.2.1172830587.squirrel@webmail.pawfal.org> Message-ID: <8200bab70703020758g26e68d8ei10f32fa5ec123744@mail.gmail.com> On 3/2/07, Dave Griffiths wrote: > > Chuckk Hubbard wrote: > > > >> I bet people's music would be far more beautiful if they would sing > >> freely and often and then transcribe what they were singing, instead > >> of transcribing before the music even exists. > > > > True! > > > > I completely abandoned composing at the computer for exactly that > > reason. I find it quicker to experiment with everything from melody, > > harmony, lyrics, modulations to form when at the piano. Also I found > > that I only make good tunes when playing and *singing* along. > > > > I'm sure others have succeeded where I failed, but that how it works for > > me. > > To present a totally different angle - I learnt all my musical theory > using a tracker (never having done any traditional music except > bellringing years ago), and now livecode all my music, which feels like > the most natural way to do it for me. > > Livecoding also means I can create visuals and animation *at the same > time* as music - which is kind of a goal in itself for me. > > Also linux is a really good environment for this kind of experimentation. That sounds fascinating. I do have to say that the *best* music I've ever created was written with a sequencer and lots of theory - http://www.badmuthahubbard.com/haberdashery.mp3 - but it was harder. It was the only thing I wrote that semester. Since then, I've gotten less and less adept at writing from theory. -Chuckk From rlrevell at joe-job.com Fri Mar 2 11:21:22 2007 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Fri Mar 2 11:29:53 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] audio/video player for theatre use anyone? In-Reply-To: <45E78E23.3050406@folkwang-hochschule.de> References: <45E78E23.3050406@folkwang-hochschule.de> Message-ID: <75b66ecd0703020821v5b68ade4xa27a7a30248611d@mail.gmail.com> On 3/1/07, Joern Nettingsmeier wrote: > * does not ever crash ;) I've never seen a media player for any OS that never crashes (other than the one built into a Tivo). mplayer is the closest I have seen. I guess if you only need to support a single format like MPEG4 it could be made reliable. But all bets are off if you need to support proprietary codecs. Lee From rlrevell at joe-job.com Fri Mar 2 11:47:48 2007 From: rlrevell at joe-job.com (Lee Revell) Date: Fri Mar 2 11:52:07 2007 Subject: [linux-audio-user] What purpose does this list serve? In-Reply-To: <3c808a150703011055g5d1f75f3y7791e260af5a9e80@mail.gmail.com> References: <20070217211957.GC2764@localhost> <70a871c80703010137m78187c71r62b2cc36f91a18a6@mail.gmail.com> <45E6ACBB.8060603@gmail.com> <200703011152.59837.gregwilder@gregwilder.com> <3c808a150703011055g5d1f75f3y7791e260af5a9e80@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <75b66ecd0703020847o3e4d826dh4afef9f423831a41@mail.gmail.com> On 3/1/07, Marc-Olivier Barre wrote: > I agree. Restricting topics would be a shame. Some apparently totally > useless topics scoring high on the digression scale sometimes turn out > to make unexpected "useful info" (not to all users I agree) just fall > out of the sky. I agree - anything of interest t